| 00:00.15 | Dave | o_O |
| 00:00.17 | ndnihil | this could be done with regular sms I'm sure, but I'd like to hide the mail check tokens from the user |
| 00:00.21 | Dave | heh, bleh |
| 00:00.33 | Dave | I dislike how people are totally abusing the sms protocol nowadays |
| 00:00.40 | Dave | sure, maybe it's handy... but still... |
| 00:00.46 | Dave | mostly it's for gimmicky shit though |
| 00:00.54 | ndnihil | eh, do you have a better solution for those needs? |
| 00:01.01 | ndnihil | can't leave the CPU awake all the time |
| 00:01.07 | ndnihil | battery life would go to shit |
| 00:01.52 | ndnihil | I imagine RIM is doing something very similar |
| 00:04.26 | Dave | heh heh |
| 00:04.45 | Dave | yeah, in their own rimmy push style ;p |
| 00:05.29 | ndnihil | blackberry enterprise server is a bloated and unstable piece of crap |
| 00:05.55 | ndnihil | have to re-register the device at least once a week |
| 00:07.27 | Dave | right |
| 00:07.33 | Dave | lollerbes |
| 00:08.19 | ndnihil | I'd totally opt for a lightweight perl script cron'd at 5 minute intervals |
| 00:08.59 | Dave | I'd even write it! |
| 00:09.01 | Dave | ;D |
| 00:09.47 | ndnihil | so which handles SMS before passing it to userland, ophonekitd or frameworkd? |
| 00:10.06 | ndnihil | or am I missing something else entirely |
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| 00:13.23 | Dave | Haha, I didn't know Linus used Tango :P |
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| 00:18.26 | vininim | tangogps? heh |
| 00:19.28 | Dave | hell yeah |
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| 01:25.35 | KenYoung | Anyone know what "Project B" is? |
| 01:25.49 | ndnihil | its the demise of open phones |
| 01:25.52 | ndnihil | apparently |
| 01:26.50 | Dave | Key! |
| 01:26.53 | Dave | Hey Ken :) |
| 01:27.10 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - how are things Down South? |
| 01:29.16 | Dave | oh heh |
| 01:29.23 | Dave | Well now that the storm's gone... okay :) |
| 01:29.44 | Dave | and I was able to macgyver up a freerunner jumping system with some paper and scotch tape and a couple scraps of wire |
| 01:29.48 | Dave | so all in all, good |
| 01:30.03 | Dave | I'm hoping to install the new version of tango and orrery on this one I jumped and play around with them tonight |
| 01:30.12 | Dave | I've already updated some things, and have a position fix :) |
| 01:30.54 | KenYoung | My efforts always end up more MacGruber than MacGyver. |
| 01:31.11 | Dave | hehe |
| 01:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is alice, err mcgruber? |
| 01:32.44 | KenYoung | A Saturday Night Live MacGyver parody. |
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| 01:33.35 | Dave | :D |
| 01:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | thought it's impossible to make a parody of mcgyver. as he's actually nonsense enough out of its own |
| 01:33.58 | Dave | Hooray, 4.20V! |
| 01:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | woohoo |
| 01:34.15 | Dave | I'm fully charged :) |
| 01:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | prepare for detonation! XD |
| 01:34.31 | Dave | gives Joerg a beer |
| 01:34.36 | Dave | hahaha UH OH |
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| 01:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | (beer) any left over now that you are fully charged? ;) |
| 01:36.19 | Dave | oh hehe, yeah :P |
| 01:38.39 | Dave | So... what to do now then? :D |
| 01:41.13 | dyf | so when i get a freerunner, does it come with gentoo pre-installed? |
| 01:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | what? Noooo |
| 01:42.07 | dyf | i am thinking of getting one, but i think i read somewhere that people were having troubles even with phone calls |
| 01:42.29 | dyf | is it stable enough |
| 01:43.15 | KenYoung | dyf, The situation has improved a lot. Many users (myself included) find it usable. |
| 01:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | ooompf gentoo preinstalled. the sources yeah, for native. XD |
| 01:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 01:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | still doesn't like gentoo |
| 01:45.38 | dyf | the distributor here says they can install android on it |
| 01:45.43 | dyf | before shipping it to me |
| 01:45.49 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:45.57 | Dave | that reminds me... |
| 01:46.02 | Dave | prods nuclear_eclipse |
| 01:46.06 | Dave | hey rooly |
| 01:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | dyf: the whole point of Neo and OM is you install the software yourself |
| 01:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | and you for sure will want to do this anyway, if FR is the right device for you |
| 01:48.40 | dyf | DocScrutinizer: i know, but i personally don't want to fiddle too much.. i mean i still want a usable cell phone.. |
| 01:49.09 | KenYoung | dyf, If you don't enjoy fiddling, don't get an OM phone. |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r98cb27d28291 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Acknowledge status report messages right away |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Status reports need to be acknowledged with AT+CNMA=1, but we want to do |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: that every time. There's nothing to be gained from deferring this to the |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: DBus client. |
| 01:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | so I wouldn't advice you to buy a FR |
| 01:50.04 | dyf | what would you guys do if you accidentally install something that screws up the phone and you had to leave for 2 days.. for camping or something |
| 01:50.13 | dyf | you don't have a usable phone |
| 01:50.24 | KenYoung | dyf, Reflash and fix it. |
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| 01:50.47 | Dave | Make sure you have it set up just the way you want, before leaving for a trip or anything |
| 01:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | take a fallback installation on uSD with me |
| 01:51.43 | KenYoung | Boot from USB hard drive. |
| 01:51.59 | rooly | so yeah |
| 01:52.02 | rooly | sighs |
| 01:52.04 | rooly | stupid stuff |
| 01:52.16 | Dave | :| |
| 01:52.20 | Dave | more trouble, rooly? |
| 01:52.23 | Dave | or just same old shit? |
| 01:52.25 | rooly | oh, no |
| 01:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | to be honest I have an emergency partition on every computer I use |
| 01:52.44 | rooly | i didn't realize how many parts it takes to build a pringlantenne |
| 01:52.46 | Dave | oh, so you're one of those? |
| 01:52.57 | Dave | hahaha |
| 01:53.01 | nuclear_eclipse | howdy Dave |
| 01:53.03 | Dave | :D |
| 01:53.15 | nuclear_eclipse | what's happen |
| 01:53.15 | Dave | you sold your soul, right nuclear? :P |
| 01:53.19 | Dave | we were just talking about android :p |
| 01:53.36 | nuclear_eclipse | not my soul, just my rights ;) |
| 01:53.47 | Dave | then I just brought a freerunner back from the dead, so I'm thinking... what can I do now that it's fully charged? |
| 01:53.55 | Dave | play one of those old crappy freerunner games? |
| 01:53.56 | Dave | NET |
| 01:54.00 | nuclear_eclipse | play Duke Nukem 3D :P |
| 01:54.17 | rooly | play wolfenstien! |
| 01:54.23 | rooly | or casltevania |
| 01:54.26 | rooly | wait |
| 01:54.30 | rooly | you said freerunner |
| 01:54.32 | nuclear_eclipse | it's ok Dave, I've been playing Net on both my PC and my G1 for months :P |
| 01:55.05 | Dave | yeah... |
| 01:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | make a nice voltage vs time diagram of the bat discharging on modem until trickle jumps in |
| 01:55.08 | Dave | I don't have those installed... |
| 01:55.16 | Dave | Nuclear, it never gets old! |
| 01:55.33 | Dave | Joerg, do we have an app to do that! or do you want me to just log the values? :) |
| 01:55.35 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: aptitudo install sgt-puzzles |
| 01:55.41 | Dave | :D |
| 01:56.23 | Dave | \o/ |
| 01:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | ahh a nice log is a good base for a diagram (use any decent spreadsheet sw) ;) |
| 01:56.35 | nuclear_eclipse | it's been in the Ubuntu repos at least since 8.04 |
| 01:56.35 | Dave | Also, my freerunner just traveled back in time again |
| 01:56.41 | Dave | Joerg, yup! |
| 01:56.59 | Dave | Hmm, I forget how to collect CELL ID's using AT |
| 01:57.45 | mmontour | has one of those voltage graphs somewhere |
| 01:58.07 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: I want another one ;) |
| 01:58.19 | Dave | I need to quickly write an all important data logger for FR |
| 01:58.42 | Dave | watch, mine will have asymptotes :p |
| 01:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | eeew, is there a medicine or other remedy for that? |
| 01:59.38 | Dave | hehe |
| 01:59.41 | Dave | oh god :P |
| 01:59.46 | Dave | joerg++ |
| 02:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | my fso-console rootfs with updated patched kernel is charging bat all the time it seems. |
| 02:03.22 | Dave | :) |
| 02:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally stopping every once in a while for 30sec |
| 02:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | (power -mblue) |
| 02:04.19 | Dave | yeah |
| 02:04.21 | Dave | that's by design |
| 02:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's mere nonsense :-) anyway I'm fine with it |
| 02:06.12 | Dave | :) |
| 02:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | bat mnf surely didn't mean this 30sec when talking about stopping charging |
| 02:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm still sure there's no sense in switching off charging if it stopps by const-V anyway (current going to zero) |
| 02:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | no current to me means charging stopped |
| 02:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | but "manuf said bat will die if we don't stop charging" so we actually DO stop it for 30sec every 90min or so |
| 02:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | everybody happy. nonsense completed. goal reached XD |
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| 02:15.04 | mwester | Needless complexity, DocScrutinizer -- sometimes it seems inevitable. |
| 02:16.36 | Dave | right |
| 02:16.55 | Dave | Welcome to Openmoko! |
| 02:16.59 | Dave | (or what's left of it, anyway) :\ |
| 02:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway my bat is being "charged" for ~6weeks now without any negative effects |
| 02:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: still I'm not convinced bat won't reach the voltage where auto-tricklecharge starts again even when it's discharged to ~60% |
| 02:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | or let me put it this way: I think bat should reach a voltage where trickle starts, when bat is discharged to maybe 85%, not 50% |
| 02:21.33 | mmontour | charging re-started around 75-80% in my test (IIRC) |
| 02:21.40 | badcloud | how the crap do I avoid these segfaults using vagalume in shr? just when seems to becieving something |
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| 02:22.27 | badcloud | *receiving |
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| 02:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: so my suggestion would be to implement a choice for a)max charge state all the time (keep constV on all the time) or b) max bat livetime (keeping bat between 75% and sth like 90% by using autotrickle and Vmax ~4.05 which will result in less ageing) |
| 02:31.42 | mmontour | I'd be a bit worried about a) if the manufacturer says not to do it. Might be safer to let it drain to 95-98% and then re-start charging |
| 02:32.21 | mmontour | A "max lifetime" option would be nice. I've often wished that my laptop could do that |
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| 02:38.50 | Dave | badcloud ;D |
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| 02:41.33 | Dave | Virus |
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| 02:47.34 | Dave | ;p |
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| 03:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: anyway what FSO is doing right now on my tweaked rootfs here (uSD-gsmflash-image) is NOT letting it drain to 98%. It just disables charging for 30sec every hour or two (at least that's what powerbutton LED is telling me) |
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| 03:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: "max lifetime option" isn't actually my idea. I heard of (sony?) laptops that provide it, keeping bat charge at some 80% all the time (while powered externaly of course ;) |
| 03:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | recommendations for storing LiIon are: "discharge to 75%, then store in frige at above 0°C in a bag preferably with some silicagel-bag) |
| 03:12.38 | raster | mmmmm |
| 03:12.41 | raster | silica gel |
| 03:12.42 | raster | yum |
| 03:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 03:12.52 | raster | ok |
| 03:13.00 | raster | now.. where is a good linux bootloader... for CE |
| 03:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | raster: best of the asian snack bags ? ;) |
| 03:14.10 | mmontour | My laptop is an iBook G4. I can't find any software way to disable charging when external power is connected. It might be possible to do it in hardware |
| 03:15.33 | mmontour | My FR shows a blue LED most of the time. I think that means it's not charging, but I haven't been watching it closely |
| 03:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | mine is "flashing" blue, then back to orange |
| 03:17.01 | mmontour | Mine's solid blue. Dunno what flashing means |
| 03:17.18 | raster | DocScrutinizer: hahaha |
| 03:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | blue periods extend a little when modem is off |
| 03:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | flashing means some 30sec |
| 03:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | then 2h of orange |
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| 04:26.36 | user1 | hello guys |
| 04:26.41 | user1 | I need fast help |
| 04:27.07 | KenYoung | user1, What help do you need? |
| 04:28.09 | user1 | I wanna install Debian on my FR, but it need buy miniSD card, and in shop they said me that some phone do not use for example miniSD more than 1GB and it depends of speed, so |
| 04:28.38 | user1 | what about speed and capacity? |
| 04:28.55 | KenYoung | user1, The Freerunner takes a *micro* SD card, not a miniSD. |
| 04:29.29 | KenYoung | user1, The wiki pages have lists of microSD cards people have gotten to work on the Freerunner. |
| 04:29.30 | user1 | sorry, I mean microSD :) |
| 04:30.34 | user1 | oh, I see |
| 04:30.38 | user1 | pardon |
| 04:30.54 | KenYoung | user1, Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 04:32.22 | user1 | I just found it, but do not know still wich is the best for me, it is some addition informations for me as u-boot |
| 04:33.51 | KenYoung | user1, For what it's worth, I've been using two 8 Gig Sandisk microSDs, and have had no problems. |
| 04:36.28 | user1 | but need I buy u-boot 1.1.6 or that last one |
| 04:37.27 | user1 | maybe I would buy Kingston 8GB |
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| 04:44.35 | slaxxin | hows the april 3 shr unstable look? |
| 04:44.57 | slaxxin | a new uimage maybe? |
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| 04:45.44 | slaxxin | r3.1 wth |
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| 05:17.10 | Lukas__ | i have problem. when i connect neo with computer by usb it can't make connection and dmesg shows:hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
| 05:17.13 | Lukas__ | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 28 |
| 05:17.15 | slaxxin | what happened doc? |
| 05:17.34 | Lukas__ | what is the problem |
| 05:17.39 | Lukas__ | ? |
| 05:17.53 | slaxxin | is it a new os? |
| 05:18.01 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.31 | Lukas__ | slaxxin: you are talking to me? |
| 05:19.22 | slaxxin | yea |
| 05:19.32 | Lukas__ | on neo? |
| 05:19.34 | Lukas__ | i have shr |
| 05:20.11 | Lukas__ | but i tried older wersions which usb connection works |
| 05:20.51 | slaxxin | do u have the april 1 or 2 os of shr? |
| 05:21.05 | Lukas__ | yes |
| 05:21.34 | slaxxin | well they are broken |
| 05:21.55 | slaxxin | i just installed todays to check it |
| 05:21.57 | Lukas__ | really? |
| 05:22.20 | Lukas__ | you have the same? |
| 05:22.27 | slaxxin | looks like there are 6-7 settings icons |
| 05:22.48 | slaxxin | no i have todays |
| 05:23.16 | slaxxin | when it boots i will tell u if usb works |
| 05:23.30 | Lukas__ | ok |
| 05:24.01 | slaxxin | otherwise its the 03252009 image that works |
| 05:24.21 | slaxxin | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
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| 05:26.16 | slaxxin | usb networking works |
| 05:27.14 | Lukas__ | ok. now i installing OM2008.12 |
| 05:28.03 | Lukas__ | slaxxin:did you upgrade kernel? |
| 05:28.31 | Lukas__ | when y installed shr? |
| 05:29.40 | slaxxin | theres a r-3.1 kernel that i used |
| 05:32.21 | Lukas__ | neo is flashing- this mean that neo hardware is ok |
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| 05:40.54 | Linkas | slaxxin:now works |
| 05:41.27 | Linkas | the newest hernel from shr-unstable is guilty |
| 05:41.34 | Linkas | kernel* |
| 05:47.51 | slaxxin | dont think so |
| 05:48.15 | slaxxin | is it r-4? |
| 05:49.43 | Linkas | i don't know it is uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119778+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3.1-om-gta02.bin |
| 05:51.22 | mwester | did you reboot? The usb network connection never works until the second boot. |
| 05:52.01 | Linkas | i rebot it twice at least |
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| 06:20.01 | Psi | does anyone know how elementray-alarm works? |
| 06:21.04 | Psi | i turned it on and now cant get it off, i dont see any entry in crontab so dunno how its alarming |
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| 07:06.44 | gmzhuo | anybody can help me with a2dp ? |
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| 07:31.30 | Inc_Vega1 | kuku |
| 07:31.33 | Inc_Vega1 | Hi all |
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| 07:40.11 | Psi | is there an updated way to switch to qvga on gta01? the command in the wiki doesnt work |
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| 08:05.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:29.21 | munga | hello, I'm curious to use gsm cell information to get a fix with my gps. Is there a publicly available db that I can download ? |
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| 08:29.59 | munga | atm I've just seen a service that if you send them the cellid they will send you back the coordinates... |
| 08:30.17 | munga | but I don't like the idea of letting somebody else know where I am all the time. |
| 08:30.42 | munga | (I know my gsm provider already has this info...) |
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| 08:31.38 | dns53 | i think they are trying to build up a database that you will be able to store on your phone and not contact anyone just get the aprox location from what cell towers you are on |
| 08:31.55 | munga | !! opencellid !! |
| 08:32.55 | Inc_Vega1 | :) |
| 08:33.00 | dns53 | well i've been submitting to cellhunter, on the mailing list they brought up merging data |
| 08:39.05 | beer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.17 | munga | ok, then I can get the cellhunter db... how do I feed gpsd with these info ? Is there a page where I can learn ? |
| 08:45.03 | ndnihil | virtual serial port, and translate it to NMEA data |
| 08:47.44 | munga | ok, I see, like if the coordinates were coming from a real satellite. |
| 08:47.53 | ndnihil | or several real satellites |
| 08:48.35 | munga | but this is not integrated at the moment with any existing sw ... |
| 08:48.44 | SpeedEvil | what's wrong with the GPS? |
| 08:48.46 | ndnihil | not that I'm aware of |
| 08:48.55 | ndnihil | gps takes a while to get a fix |
| 08:49.05 | SpeedEvil | ~30s it should be |
| 08:49.10 | munga | I would expect a component of frameworkd should take care of this task |
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| 08:49.30 | ndnihil | you're looking at modding gpsd, not frameworkd |
| 08:50.08 | ndnihil | have it poll the cellid source while it waits for gps fix |
| 08:50.08 | munga | well, I need to get the cellid from the gsm and the feed gpsd |
| 08:50.11 | SpeedEvil | er - no |
| 08:50.21 | SpeedEvil | you're looking at setting up GPSd to take input from another GPS |
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| 08:50.23 | ndnihil | then switch to the gps source |
| 08:50.29 | SpeedEvil | In addition to this one |
| 08:50.47 | ndnihil | speed: clients choose a single source no? |
| 08:51.04 | SpeedEvil | I thought gpsd could pick between |
| 08:51.11 | ndnihil | it's done with at commands |
| 08:51.14 | SpeedEvil | I've never really gone into it that deeply |
| 08:51.16 | ndnihil | s/at/AT/ |
| 08:51.19 | munga | but as you said, if I feed gpsd via a serial connection this operation should be transparent ... |
| 08:51.20 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 08:51.32 | SpeedEvil | you talk to gpsd with at commands? |
| 08:51.39 | ndnihil | if you mod gpsd to handle the switching, it'll be seamless to client programs |
| 08:51.57 | SpeedEvil | But the cell-site may be 10Km away of course, so there is that. |
| 08:52.01 | ndnihil | speed: sorry, not AT commands, but similar text string commands |
| 08:52.07 | munga | I undestand the bit about switching now... |
| 08:52.30 | ndnihil | on your gta, telnet localhost 2947 |
| 08:52.59 | ndnihil | send it an 'r' |
| 08:53.08 | ndnihil | and it will dump out raw data at intervals |
| 08:53.23 | ndnihil | 'i' selects/displays the source |
| 08:54.05 | ndnihil | http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt |
| 08:54.09 | ndnihil | ^a good read |
| 08:54.22 | munga | maybe with gypsy ? (reading) |
| 08:55.02 | SpeedEvil | You'd want to send GPGGA sentances with good fixes, but only 1 sat, and very high HDOP |
| 08:55.10 | dns53 | gypsy api is provided with fso-gpsd |
| 08:55.34 | SpeedEvil | And then teach gpsd to pick the source in the last 10 seconds with the best HDOP and satellites perhaps |
| 08:55.50 | SpeedEvil | Or something similar |
| 08:56.00 | ndnihil | yep |
| 08:56.09 | SpeedEvil | cell-sites can be 15km away from you in some terrain |
| 08:56.09 | ndnihil | no fuss on the client end |
| 08:56.36 | SpeedEvil | so you really want to only look at it after a few minutes even if you lose GPS |
| 08:57.33 | munga | I've seen on commercial phone a big circle appearing on you position when the data is taken from a gsm cell rather then a satellite to signal that you could be anywhere aound that area... |
| 08:57.38 | ndnihil | if you're out in the sticks like that, you've got the extra minute to spare to wait for gps fix, and you've got open sky for clean gps signal |
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| 09:04.19 | Psi | anyone know the current command to get gta01 to qvga and back? wiki one doesnt work any more, too old i think |
| 09:05.02 | Psi | in shr i should add |
| 09:05.10 | SpeedEvil | Psi: been a while since I tried it - ages. |
| 09:05.43 | Psi | year |
| 09:05.48 | Psi | *yeah |
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| 09:29.43 | munga | coming back to the gps problem. the story goes like : gps -> ogpsd -> fso-gpsd -> tangogps ... your suggestion before was to modify ogpsd to handle a second "fake" device to use the famous cellid database. Am I correct or still lost in space ? |
| 09:30.46 | ndnihil | it goes: serial device-> (fso-)gpsd-> client(tango/navit/etc..) |
| 09:32.11 | ndnihil | and yes, modify gpsd to read from both the cellid source (virtual serial port), and from the normal GPS source (/dev/ttySAC1 on the gta03), and pass the cellid source to the client while waiting for gps fix, and once the fix is obtained, switch to the gps source |
| 09:32.42 | munga | http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/9/24/3395094 |
| 09:33.21 | munga | this is actually the old design ... |
| 09:33.24 | munga | ? |
| 09:33.50 | ndnihil | that link says nothing useful |
| 09:34.16 | ndnihil | oh, expand the quotes... |
| 09:34.36 | ndnihil | dont know what they're referring to |
| 09:34.56 | munga | different distr use different subsytems it seems ... |
| 09:35.14 | ndnihil | every gps I've used under linux went either: |
| 09:35.22 | ndnihil | serial device-> gpsd-> client |
| 09:35.26 | ndnihil | or |
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| 09:35.30 | ndnihil | serial device-> client |
| 09:35.42 | munga | then ogpsd ? |
| 09:35.46 | ndnihil | never heard of it |
| 09:35.53 | ndnihil | probably just another implementation of gpsd |
| 09:35.55 | munga | I'm missing why this brick in in frameworkd |
| 09:36.15 | munga | nope, I think it's actually a kind of multiplexer... |
| 09:36.18 | ndnihil | perhaps the fso-gpsd passes info to dbus/frameworkd as well as clients |
| 09:36.36 | ndnihil | haven't looked at it in depth |
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| 09:38.05 | ndnihil | I'm running SHR testing btw |
| 09:38.13 | Q-Master | Hi All! |
| 09:38.17 | ndnihil | hi q |
| 09:38.22 | ostehovel1 | Hi Q-Master |
| 09:38.49 | munga | I'm using SHR unstable |
| 09:39.07 | Q-Master | Tried a FSO on my neo, somehow it was unable to connect to cell network |
| 09:39.40 | ndnihil | q: I had odd gsm issues until I upgraded the firmware |
| 09:40.13 | Q-Master | OM2008.12 and android works well, except that in android the lengh of the call is ~10sec |
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| 09:40.26 | Q-Master | ndnihil: I have the latest one |
| 09:40.31 | ndnihil | moko11? |
| 09:40.34 | Q-Master | yep |
| 09:40.40 | ndnihil | I went from moko9 to 11 |
| 09:40.48 | ndnihil | cleaned things up nicely |
| 09:43.34 | Q-Master | BTW, can paroli store contacts in some db, but not in sim-card? |
| 09:43.47 | ndnihil | havent tried paroli |
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| 11:31.36 | plhardy | Hi all |
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| 11:32.24 | plhardy | i installed android on a internal micro sd, i works but when i want to get new apps it complains about missing SD card |
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| 11:33.05 | plhardy | i mount /sdcard on a vfat partition of the micro sd and i can see content of it, but it doesn't ssems to be detected by android |
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| 11:56.59 | Bish | where is my eth0 freaking! |
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| 11:58.30 | Bish | ou shit.. openmoko has stopped existing? |
| 11:58.54 | Defiant | ? |
| 11:59.17 | Defiant | Bish: wlan module loaded? Wlan interface powered? |
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| 11:59.23 | serdar1 | hi |
| 11:59.32 | Bish | Defiant: hm downloaded shr testing image, the newest |
| 11:59.41 | max_posedon | Bish, don't forget do magic reboot |
| 11:59.47 | max_posedon | 1st reboot is must |
| 11:59.48 | Bish | max_posedon: i did |
| 11:59.58 | serdar1 | oh that's Bish |
| 12:00.01 | Bish | yeah i hae done it already |
| 12:00.08 | Bish | serdar1: Hi : |
| 12:00.14 | Defiant | don't know about SHR, but on Debian eth0 doesn't exist until wlan is powered on |
| 12:00.19 | max_posedon | Bish, do't you forgot flash new kernel also? |
| 12:00.30 | Bish | max_posedon: no |
| 12:00.37 | Bish | Defiant: until wlan is powered on? |
| 12:00.57 | badcloud | Bish, openmoko not existing??? |
| 12:01.04 | Bish | @ url |
| 12:01.09 | Bish | @ topic |
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| 12:01.21 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:02.00 | Defiant | aah the golem.de one |
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| 12:02.28 | badcloud | fuck that sucks |
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| 12:03.05 | Defiant | badcloud: read the community ML |
| 12:03.28 | badcloud | Defiant, community what? |
| 12:03.29 | Bish | thats fucking bad. |
| 12:03.30 | Defiant | start here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/044915.html |
| 12:03.39 | Defiant | MailingList |
| 12:03.40 | Bish | i bought gta02 for much money :D and now its gone |
| 12:03.52 | badcloud | ah |
| 12:04.20 | Defiant | Bish: The GTA02 you bought is gone? |
| 12:05.27 | badcloud | has anyone come by this in shr?: not getting sms's received while the device was previously powered off |
| 12:05.43 | Bish | Defiant: no... openmoko inc is gone |
| 12:05.47 | Bish | there will be no gta03 |
| 12:05.49 | Bish | that sux |
| 12:06.30 | badcloud | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 12:07.20 | Defiant | Bish: I don't find it that bad if they will fix the 02 |
| 12:08.00 | Bish | what do u mean by saying fix? |
| 12:08.01 | badcloud | what's still to fix, I'm curious, Defiant? |
| 12:08.40 | Defiant | sorry, can't give a complete list, but something like glamo driver, buzz problem |
| 12:09.13 | badcloud | I see |
| 12:09.21 | badcloud | never experienced the buzz thing |
| 12:09.33 | badcloud | how can I check the glamo driver? |
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| 12:10.42 | lindi- | badcloud: hmm? we just need to improve it a bit |
| 12:13.27 | azaghal | Hm... What would be the best replacement battery? Would it be possible to obtain one that's 100% compatible with Freerunner? |
| 12:13.31 | badcloud | ok, nevermind *blushes* |
| 12:13.54 | lindi- | azaghal: from openmoko inc |
| 12:13.56 | azaghal | I've seen the wiki, but it's all "Charge info reported" :) |
| 12:14.12 | lindi- | actually if openmoko the company is going down we need to ensure we have enough spare parts :) |
| 12:14.17 | azaghal | lindi-: Are they still selling them? (referring to the site listed in topic) |
| 12:14.24 | azaghal | Yeah :) |
| 12:14.37 | SpeedEvil | Reportedly it's much of the software side that's been sacked |
| 12:14.50 | SpeedEvil | so, what that means for hardware is unclear |
| 12:14.51 | azaghal | Damn, and what a pitty. I just don't trust Google. |
| 12:15.25 | SpeedEvil | http://openmoko.com/opportunities-careers.html |
| 12:16.44 | saracen | The neo now cheaper than ever? I should have waited one more week before buying. |
| 12:16.46 | badcloud | azaghal, I don't think anyone of us does :) |
| 12:16.48 | raster | i doubt that page is current or accurately reflects their current state of hiring |
| 12:16.49 | raster | :) |
| 12:17.01 | badcloud | how much cheaper? I got mine for 300 usd |
| 12:17.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: Something is wrong on the internet! |
| 12:17.09 | azaghal | raster: lol |
| 12:17.10 | SpeedEvil | Oh Noes! |
| 12:17.32 | saracen | badcloud: Well, it's going for 299usd, so I dont think you'll mind :P |
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| 12:17.50 | SpeedEvil | stabs the US-UK exchange rate |
| 12:18.07 | SpeedEvil | 270 quid or so - once taxes hit. |
| 12:18.15 | saracen | Yeah. I'm in the UK, bought mine from germany. Think it works out to about 410 USD |
| 12:18.18 | azaghal | Hrm... Anyone ever ordered a battery only from OpenMoko? |
| 12:18.20 | serdar1 | http://openmoko.com/job-06.html that's sounds designed for me in the future :D |
| 12:18.27 | Defiant | saracen: pulster? |
| 12:18.31 | saracen | Defiant: Yeah |
| 12:18.33 | saracen | Err |
| 12:18.34 | saracen | wait |
| 12:18.35 | saracen | no |
| 12:18.41 | saracen | I couldnt get it from pulster, I wanted to |
| 12:18.50 | raster | SpeedEvil: never! the internet is always correct! |
| 12:18.51 | serdar1 | I got it from pulster |
| 12:18.53 | Defiant | pulster ist 250 Eur |
| 12:18.58 | saracen | I got mine from Golden Delicious |
| 12:19.13 | serdar1 | Defiant: 249 EUR |
| 12:19.33 | Defiant | serdar1: I always round that up. 1.99 is also 2 for me |
| 12:19.34 | saracen | I couldnt get my bank to do the correct transfer (otherwise the fee was like 20 pound). It's a shame, as afterwards the guy that runs it said we could split the cost of a paypal transfer |
| 12:19.37 | serdar1 | 229 EUR if you order 10 iirc |
| 12:19.42 | saracen | but I'd already bought it from Golden Del. |
| 12:20.00 | serdar1 | Defiant: but this isn't 0.01 EUR :P |
| 12:20.27 | Defiant | serdar1: all relative |
| 12:21.02 | Defiant | serdar1: Isn't it ore like 155 Eur anyway when adding shipping cost |
| 12:21.19 | SpeedEvil | On spare parts. |
| 12:21.24 | SpeedEvil | Going to the US openmoko store. |
| 12:21.34 | SpeedEvil | The spares pack - and adding 999 to my basket |
| 12:21.38 | azaghal | Hm... I might purchase debug board, and a battery or two :) |
| 12:21.39 | SpeedEvil | shows that there are 177 left |
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| 12:21.49 | azaghal | Oh, noes! |
| 12:21.57 | SpeedEvil | has 2 bats, headset, and pouch |
| 12:22.27 | SpeedEvil | for $49 |
| 12:23.05 | SpeedEvil | and 28 solo batteries |
| 12:23.11 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.13 | ndnihil | $8,673.00 USD |
| 12:23.25 | azaghal | rofl |
| 12:23.27 | serdar1 | hmm |
| 12:23.56 | azaghal | Hm... Luckily I'll be coming over to USA in April, hopefully I can get one spares pack and two styluses ;0 |
| 12:23.59 | azaghal | *;) |
| 12:24.01 | zedstar | hmm 299 from US is cheaper than european |
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| 12:24.06 | zedstar | opps |
| 12:24.49 | SpeedEvil | and 116 850MHz FRs |
| 12:25.03 | SpeedEvil | anyone want to lend me $35242.60? |
| 12:25.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:25.37 | SpeedEvil | 1000% returns, at $1/mo. |
| 12:25.43 | azaghal | Can anyone tell me how long they take to deliver it? |
| 12:26.01 | azaghal | SpeedEvil: I'll give you role-played money :) |
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| 12:26.04 | SpeedEvil | Depends if they've sacked the packing monkeys. |
| 12:27.36 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 12:27.39 | zedstar | getting a US model in the UK shouldnt be much a probem right? most are 1800? |
| 12:28.20 | azaghal | zedstar: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml - check this? |
| 12:28.45 | azaghal | Basically, I just need 2-3 batteries -.- |
| 12:28.55 | azaghal | Then I can run GPS for ~6-7 hours :) |
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| 12:29.32 | zedstar | the ac adapter u get does it have swapable plug pins in the pack? |
| 12:31.37 | zedstar | and is it dual voltage? |
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| 12:34.49 | SpeedEvil | got no adaptor. |
| 12:35.05 | zedstar | seems to be dual voltage |
| 12:35.16 | azaghal | zedstar: It says so on my adapter. |
| 12:35.19 | zedstar | didnt get one with the 1973 either |
| 12:35.23 | azaghal | 100-240V |
| 12:36.38 | zedstar | 200 quid is pretty good value even if the exchange rate is crap |
| 12:36.58 | SpeedEvil | not 200 |
| 12:37.24 | serdar1 | where's panicking If you want to kick his ass? |
| 12:37.37 | zedstar | speedevil how u working it out? |
| 12:37.37 | SpeedEvil | 201 - exchange rate alone |
| 12:37.54 | SpeedEvil | 245 - import duty and VAT |
| 12:38.03 | SpeedEvil | 280 or so inc shipping |
| 12:38.28 | zedstar | i think i need to pay 200 plus local tax in US as im gonna ship it to someone in NY who can bring it to me |
| 12:38.55 | zedstar | of course i would declare and pay import tax on it ;) |
| 12:38.57 | badcloud | that's what I did :) |
| 12:39.11 | zedstar | honest your magesty! |
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| 12:41.04 | zedstar | anyone know how long a online order takes to ship from direct store on average? |
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| 12:41.22 | SpeedEvil | It used to take weeks |
| 12:41.24 | azaghal | Has anyone had any problems with the touchscreen, btw? |
| 12:41.36 | SpeedEvil | but it had gotten better recently - to a week or so IIRC |
| 12:42.38 | zedstar | hmm i would need it in about 10 days else my courier wont be there anymore.....risky! |
| 12:43.20 | azaghal | zedstar: Heck, I'll order it to a hotel where couple of my collegues are atm :) |
| 12:43.45 | zedstar | yeh probably worth the gamble |
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| 13:00.18 | hipitihop | I'm trying to follow the wiki instructions for flashing moko11 gsm from image, can someone help me with dding to my uSD |
| 13:01.50 | hipitihop | the image readme says NO partion. When I insreted the card on pc, ubuntu mounted as /dev/sdf1 & /dev/sdf2 where should I 'dd' the image to ? |
| 13:02.22 | hipitihop | I have umounted both already |
| 13:04.46 | Dave | Hippityhop! |
| 13:05.07 | saracen | hipitihop: I'd say /dev/sdf - Without any appended numbers, as thats when you're accessing the partitions. |
| 13:07.18 | hipitihop | Dave: so in my case I "of=/dev/sdf" ?? |
| 13:08.02 | serdar1 | does someone know what kind of other partition do I need for the new releases of android for openmoko? |
| 13:08.06 | Dave | Oh man, that reminds me... |
| 13:08.12 | Dave | I should update all my mokos to the latest :D |
| 13:08.29 | Dave | I only did the moko10/11 upgrade on two phones |
| 13:08.59 | azaghal | Dave: What's useful in the upgrade? |
| 13:09.00 | saracen | How many phones do you own? ;x |
| 13:09.22 | hipitihop | how long does the dd normaly take ? |
| 13:10.08 | Dave | uhh, hopefully not long |
| 13:10.15 | Dave | azaghal, fixes a bug or two |
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| 13:11.36 | hipitihop | ok, it's come back so seems to have copied something to somewhere ;-) ... now how do I flush the uSD |
| 13:11.54 | hipitihop | <googles> |
| 13:11.54 | azaghal | Dave: Anything _really_ useful? Less power consumed etc? |
| 13:12.17 | Dave | uhh, phone calls work better now? |
| 13:12.24 | Dave | isn't there a changelog somewhere? :) |
| 13:12.29 | serdar1 | how many mokos do you have? oO"" |
| 13:13.00 | azaghal | Dave: It is, but not much in it. |
| 13:13.12 | azaghal | Dave: For that record, how do I identify what version I have on it? :/ |
| 13:13.18 | serdar1 | hm what is moko11 anyway? |
| 13:13.32 | badcloud | gsm firmware upgrade |
| 13:14.10 | serdar1 | how can I see which I have? |
| 13:14.21 | Dave | What version you're currently using, or what version you're upgrading to? |
| 13:14.27 | Dave | heh |
| 13:14.38 | Dave | I think it can be identified via AT commands? |
| 13:15.35 | serdar1 | hmm my android says firmware-version 1.5 that's not the right firmware I guess |
| 13:15.49 | Dave | Guess not :P |
| 13:16.39 | hipitihop | what command do I need to flush the uSD car before I pull it out ? sorry for these noob questions |
| 13:17.14 | azaghal | hipitihop: sync |
| 13:17.17 | azaghal | I think. |
| 13:17.53 | azaghal | Not sure if sync affects low-level copying, though. |
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| 13:18.29 | Dave | terve |
| 13:18.55 | serdar1 | where do I get this information about the gsm firmware? |
| 13:19.15 | Dave | either wiki, or joerg's page ^^ |
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| 13:19.47 | serdar1 | I mean which ones is installed here, but I try on the wiki |
| 13:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | basically both, depending on topic |
| 13:20.24 | Dave | JOERG :D |
| 13:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | serdar1: installed here?? |
| 13:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | moin Dave |
| 13:21.23 | serdar1 | DocScrutinizer: I mean the firmware on my moko. |
| 13:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | see wikipage to get version string |
| 13:23.18 | badcloud | hey, Dave |
| 13:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | though it's maybe more simple to use mickeyterm instead of those clumsy cat<tty etc cmds, to send the ATcmd to query version |
| 13:23.42 | azaghal | serdar1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration (there's an AT command listed there) |
| 13:23.50 | badcloud | have you experienced any missed sms's which were sent to the device while it was off? |
| 13:23.54 | badcloud | or anyone for that matter |
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| 13:24.15 | azaghal | serdar1: There's also fso-specifis command there :) |
| 13:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | serdar1: but honestly, you're probably not interested in actual version. I5äs not moko11 anyway, and flashing is really easy now to update to 11 which is recommended anyway |
| 13:25.58 | serdar1 | I don't need to know which version I have before flashing? |
| 13:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | create a uSD with "my" image, boot it and done |
| 13:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | ((hehe, the andy-memoriam apostrophies around "my") |
| 13:29.33 | badcloud | ha, Doc... |
| 13:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | "doc" no buzzword. "joerg", "docsrutinizer" and "doc:" ate though. Hi badcloud ! :) |
| 13:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | s/ate/are/ |
| 13:31.57 | hipitihop | hurah, gsm firmware upgrade appears to have worked |
| 13:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure, why not :) |
| 13:32.35 | hipitihop | :-) now, time to try a new distro while we are at it |
| 13:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah! :-)) |
| 13:34.37 | serdar1 | I am interested in android and qt-extended-improved, bot there is no improve right now :( |
| 13:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~android |
| 13:35.18 | apt | android is, like, an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 13:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 13:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~android is not anything you want to install on your neo |
| 13:36.31 | apt | ...but android is already something else... |
| 13:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | apt, i know |
| 13:36.48 | apt | Smart ass |
| 13:37.17 | serdar1 | I use android right now, because the otheres are not improved like that :/ |
| 13:37.23 | hipitihop | is qt=extended-improved on .28 kernel already ? |
| 13:37.45 | serdar1 | I couldn't compile it |
| 13:37.55 | badcloud | no wifi on latest shr-unstable???? |
| 13:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | Serdar: most ppl here seem to like SHR better |
| 13:38.10 | serdar1 | not Serdar, he is on work ;) |
| 13:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | on saturdays?? ;D |
| 13:38.46 | hipitihop | I would like something like extended but running on fso or x |
| 13:38.51 | hipitihop | I think |
| 13:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | poor Serdar |
| 13:39.05 | serdar1 | DocScrutinizer: it'S not that I am against shr, but it's not like, that's much improved like android |
| 13:39.12 | hipitihop | just want more then the standard qt does, so I can start do fiddle and maybe even dev something |
| 13:39.15 | serdar1 | and I hate illume |
| 13:39.28 | azaghal | I liked the old GTK stack the most so far (the one on hackable:1). SHR is very nice as well, but scrolling the application list is a bit slow on it. |
| 13:39.35 | serdar1 | DocScrutinizer: I must work till 20 p.m. |
| 13:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you like |
| 13:39.40 | serdar1 | remeaining 4h |
| 13:39.40 | hipitihop | so how ready is the curretn android on the neo ? |
| 13:40.35 | serdar1 | hipitihop: I am able to phone, but I never tested other things, like installing an application |
| 13:40.37 | hipitihop | scrambles back to wiki so he stops asking anoying questions |
| 13:41.02 | Q-Master | hipitihop: which i've installed is not able to phone. 8( |
| 13:41.07 | serdar1 | hipitihop: I guess, that wifi needs some improvement |
| 13:41.18 | Q-Master | serdar1: which one have you installed? |
| 13:41.20 | serdar1 | Q-Master: which version do you have? |
| 13:41.36 | hipitihop | is the paroli stuff worth looking at yet ? |
| 13:41.44 | serdar1 | Q-Master: the latest here http://serdar-dere.net/panicking |
| 13:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | wants a real linux on his FR if he ever baught one. Not some crippled java-only pseudo-linux |
| 13:42.12 | serdar1 | the cupcake |
| 13:42.43 | serdar1 | DocScrutinizer: you want gentoo, I guess :) |
| 13:42.56 | Q-Master | serdar1: http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ this one |
| 13:43.05 | serdar1 | what's the idea of taking some parts of qt-extended? |
| 13:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | muahahaaa. yeah native gentoo XD |
| 13:43.21 | serdar1 | Q-Master: cupcake? |
| 13:43.26 | Q-Master | yep |
| 13:43.31 | serdar1 | it works here |
| 13:43.41 | Q-Master | serdar1: 17th kernel? |
| 13:43.47 | serdar1 | yes |
| 13:43.58 | serdar1 | but it worked with 16 too |
| 13:44.06 | hipitihop | so if I was to persist with qt-extended for now, where is the latest flash image with all patches and which kernel ? |
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| 13:44.28 | hipitihop | I mean qt-extended-improved |
| 13:44.29 | serdar1 | hipitihop: I guess there is no one you need to compile your own |
| 13:44.46 | serdar1 | http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git |
| 13:45.05 | hipitihop | serdar1: eek, never done that, I thought someone had built some |
| 13:45.09 | Q-Master | serdar1: seems that mine is older |
| 13:46.30 | hipitihop | does qt-extended-improved have a channel ? |
| 13:46.56 | azaghal | Gentoo on Neo would be just plain torture :) |
| 13:47.14 | azaghal | (I'm using Gentoo on my desktop, mind you, so I _do_ like it :) |
| 13:48.43 | badcloud | how's debian for the fr? |
| 13:49.07 | lindi- | badcloud: works |
| 13:49.42 | hipitihop | I know android is considerbaly closed and java based garbage, and I knoq there are plenty of negatives again qt-extended but if that was the choice, which would it be for most reliable/functional |
| 13:49.58 | azaghal | Is wmiconfig enable/disable wifi equivalent to powering it on/off? |
| 13:50.14 | badcloud | took me a reboot :P |
| 13:50.15 | azaghal | badcloud: Go for the hackable:1 |
| 13:50.34 | azaghal | You could try fyp as well (no idea how good it is, never tried it). |
| 13:50.35 | badcloud | ah, you were talking about debian, not wifi on shr... |
| 13:51.05 | badcloud | azaghal, what draws me to debian would be the repos |
| 13:51.14 | azaghal | Exactly :) |
| 13:51.28 | azaghal | I think that Debian might prove to be the most useful thing out there for FR. |
| 13:51.31 | badcloud | so why hackable:1? |
| 13:51.56 | azaghal | I think it's the most useful one so far. |
| 13:52.01 | badcloud | question, how long will debian stay relevant to the FR? |
| 13:52.02 | azaghal | Plain Debian's not usable as a phone. |
| 13:52.10 | badcloud | support I mean |
| 13:52.17 | badcloud | really? nuts |
| 13:52.42 | azaghal | Can't answer that, to be honest. I guess you could ask the same about all distros :) |
| 13:52.53 | badcloud | true |
| 13:52.54 | azaghal | Keep in mind that Debian arm is independent from Neo. |
| 13:52.58 | hipitihop | azaghal: are you saying hackable:1 is most usable phone ? |
| 13:53.05 | lindi- | badcloud: why would it not be relevant? |
| 13:53.16 | azaghal | hipitihop: Well, it looks to me that way atm. |
| 13:53.32 | serdar1 | azaghal: Crosscompile via gentoo is no problem |
| 13:53.36 | azaghal | hipitihop: What I'd like to see is illume on Debian as well, though. |
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| 13:53.52 | hipitihop | azaghal: you have run qt-extended ? |
| 13:53.54 | azaghal | serdar1: Yeah, but it can still be annoying for keeping everything linked together :) |
| 13:53.54 | badcloud | I'm guessing the device will become obsolete earlier, is all |
| 13:54.08 | azaghal | hipitihop: Yes, but it's just got, well, phone abilities :) |
| 13:54.14 | badcloud | so support would dwindle |
| 13:54.19 | serdar1 | azaghal: that's right, but hey that's the flavor of gentoo :) |
| 13:54.39 | azaghal | hipitihop: Actually, you're probably right, qt-extended is the most complete phone distro atm. |
| 13:54.58 | azaghal | Me and illume had some nasty fight over non-latin chars, though -.- |
| 13:55.08 | badcloud | me too |
| 13:55.19 | azaghal | I made a keyboard layout for Serbian, thought "woohoo", then went "oh, damn" |
| 13:55.29 | serdar1 | I don't like illume :/ |
| 13:55.29 | badcloud | I hear that |
| 13:55.37 | badcloud | me neither |
| 13:55.53 | hipitihop | azaghal: I'm not trying to suggest it is, it is more a question. I bought a FR gta02 for my GF last Jul, she has been almost exclusively using qt and is still ready to sell it |
| 13:55.55 | azaghal | What hackable:1 misses atm is good keyboard, though (uses matchbox), and a better replacement for neod. |
| 13:55.56 | badcloud | but qt-extended always gave me weird call problems |
| 13:56.21 | azaghal | hipitihop: Well, it's the most polished thing out there for simple calls/messages. |
| 13:56.42 | azaghal | And I don't think you should let her sell it :) |
| 13:56.43 | serdar1 | I hope that where will be a fusion of qt-extended-improved and shr |
| 13:56.48 | hipitihop | yep, doubled up sms, received calls going to handset speaker, etc, etc |
| 13:56.57 | badcloud | that sounds about right, serdar |
| 13:57.21 | serdar1 | serdar1, Serdar is my nick at home, but I am at work now :/ |
| 13:57.27 | azaghal | hipitihop: It has issues? I didn't know that. I just tested it for a short while since it wasn't really hackable :) |
| 13:58.19 | Q-Master | serdar1: do you have a vcard contacts on android? |
| 13:58.46 | azaghal | Main problem of using FR as a phone is battery lifetime - but considering it can work for ~8 hours with brightness at 30% (and no working GPS/wifi, of course), I think it's actually good. The only thing that's needed is better power-management daemon. |
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| 13:59.12 | azaghal | And a good screen-locking mechanism (pressing a button is a must - touchscreen pressing is bad because of its sensitiveness :) |
| 13:59.29 | hipitihop | azaghal: understand, it is not very hackable and yes it still has some issues. usabl yes, but far from a commercial phone |
| 13:59.35 | azaghal | Combination of button press + screen press could be interesting as well (that Z-locking app is great) |
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| 14:00.43 | serdar1 | nope, improting contacts don't work right now |
| 14:00.51 | serdar1 | importing |
| 14:01.11 | hipitihop | azaghal: sms is posisble but a complete pain with current keyboards. takes forever to type something out |
| 14:01.19 | serdar1 | azaghal: android and qt-extended do have nice lockings, why not taking that from qt-extended? |
| 14:02.22 | serdar1 | the locking of android is much complex than that from qt-extended but both are nice |
| 14:02.31 | hipitihop | ok, well thanks for your input all. time for bed here, my search for a good distro can resume tomorrow sometime |
| 14:02.43 | azaghal | serdar1: Currently I'm in a gtk+ stack mood :) |
| 14:02.57 | hipitihop | waves goodnight to the residents and Dave |
| 14:03.10 | azaghal | hipitihop: As for keyboard, I've been having some thought about imlpementing a transparent keyboard where you could see what's being typed below it. |
| 14:03.12 | serdar1 | azaghal: than try to import that thing from qt-extended to gtk :) |
| 14:03.17 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 14:03.17 | serdar1 | goodnight hipitihop |
| 14:03.29 | azaghal | serdar1: Ah, it's the key thing, right? |
| 14:03.36 | serdar1 | azaghal: right |
| 14:03.43 | azaghal | hackable:1 has a similar screen locker actually. |
| 14:03.46 | hipitihop | azaghal: yes I thought I saw something on the list regarding that but not sure if that was you |
| 14:03.53 | serdar1 | it's nice, I fall from my chair after seeing it, but it's moce |
| 14:03.55 | serdar1 | nice |
| 14:03.57 | azaghal | hipitihop: I don't think I posted it on the list :) |
| 14:04.10 | azaghal | hipitihop: Maybe mentioned it on some #hackable1 and here. |
| 14:04.17 | azaghal | s/some// |
| 14:04.21 | hipitihop | serdar1: seeing what ? |
| 14:04.29 | azaghal | lol, nice bot. |
| 14:04.38 | serdar1 | that keylogger from qt-extended |
| 14:04.43 | serdar1 | locker |
| 14:05.21 | azaghal | In addition to it, though, it should be needed to click the aux button (for example) to actually be able to light-up the touch-screen and move the key, I think. |
| 14:05.21 | hipitihop | serdar1: yes that work well and looks nice |
| 14:05.30 | azaghal | (so it wouldn't get activated from bumps in a pocket) |
| 14:05.36 | serdar1 | hipitihop: you know that from android too? |
| 14:06.17 | hipitihop | serdar1: no have not loaded android yet, waiting for it to be at least as usable for phone, sms, suspend and alarms as qtextended |
| 14:06.51 | serdar1 | hipitihop: phone and sms works well, but the voice are too low |
| 14:06.52 | Q-Master | serdar1: is android able to autosuspend after some timeout? |
| 14:07.03 | serdar1 | Q-Master: yes |
| 14:07.07 | hipitihop | once those are rock solid, comes pim |
| 14:07.15 | Q-Master | serdar1: and seems that calendar app is not starting here. 8( |
| 14:07.37 | hipitihop | waves goodnight a second time, this time for real |
| 14:07.42 | azaghal | Nighty ;) |
| 14:07.51 | serdar1 | Q-Master: also here |
| 14:07.51 | badcloud | night |
| 14:07.58 | serdar1 | night hipitihop |
| 14:08.13 | azaghal | irssi proxy is funtastic thing - I love it when I can jump around my desktop and laptop computers :) |
| 14:08.17 | Q-Master | serdar1: how to set this suspending? |
| 14:08.45 | serdar1 | wait I need to change it to english again |
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| 14:09.29 | Dave | :P |
| 14:11.02 | badcloud | the thing that kills me about shr is that it's *near* usable as a phone |
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| 14:11.24 | badcloud | I'd drop it like a stone if it was sub par in the phone dep |
| 14:11.49 | azaghal | badcloud: Doesn't like non-latin chars, though :) |
| 14:11.50 | badcloud | but it's really small things like sms sender phonebook name instead of full num |
| 14:11.53 | badcloud | also |
| 14:12.40 | Mononoke | I wonder, is it good to move from uboot to qi? if yes, how? |
| 14:12.55 | badcloud | speed |
| 14:13.03 | serdar1 | Q-Master: hmm. I only find screen timeout |
| 14:13.59 | badcloud | I'm gonna shove off |
| 14:14.07 | badcloud | laterz all around peopls |
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| 14:20.15 | max_posedon | Hi! Have anobody succsess story with pidgin on neo, and displaying russian? |
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| 14:27.45 | serdar1 | how far is fyp? it looked nice iirc but gsm was bad |
| 14:28.27 | azaghal | fyp uses zhone, iirc? |
| 14:29.12 | serdar1 | lxde an zhone |
| 14:32.58 | slaxxin | i used 3.18 |
| 14:34.05 | slaxxin | 04032008 shr unstable works |
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| 14:34.24 | slaxxin | 04032009* |
| 14:34.33 | plhardy | i get one step further with android but it seems that sockets fro dowload just timeout after 30seconds what prevent downloading apps with some lags between packet sending |
| 14:37.00 | serdar1 | shr-unstable starts, but working is something else. |
| 14:37.17 | slaxxin | what dont work for u? |
| 14:37.32 | slaxxin | usb networking? |
| 14:37.41 | serdar1 | bluetooth and wifi for example |
| 14:37.46 | serdar1 | gps aswell |
| 14:37.57 | serdar1 | but these are problems in every distribution I know |
| 14:38.08 | slaxxin | u must have the april 1-2 image? |
| 14:38.35 | serdar1 | nope, I compile the unstable sources my own. |
| 14:38.40 | slaxxin | oo |
| 14:38.47 | azaghal | I'd avoid April 1st images just in case :) |
| 14:39.00 | serdar1 | hehe |
| 14:39.00 | shellevil | The joke is it's the only one with itunes |
| 14:39.02 | slaxxin | 3rd works |
| 14:39.43 | slaxxin | except it has 7 different settings icons on the desktop:) |
| 14:40.34 | slaxxin | 03252009 works well |
| 14:40.40 | serdar1 | the unstable had some problems with obexftp it fixed now, but I told, that this fix is a bad workaround. |
| 14:40.55 | slaxxin | ok |
| 14:41.37 | serdar1 | hmm buying Nikon D40 or not buying... |
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| 15:32.47 | azaghal | Ok... After apt-get dist-upgrade wireless stopped working on hackable :) |
| 15:33.46 | Defiant | azaghal: is it powered on? |
| 15:34.05 | azaghal | Defiant: Yep. Actually, it could be some wpa_supplicant problem. |
| 15:34.34 | azaghal | I can scan, I'll try getting it up manually somehow. |
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| 15:35.00 | Defiant | never used wpa |
| 15:36.20 | azaghal | Well, it's using /etc/network/interfaces, but not sure what it calls. |
| 15:38.44 | serdar1 | hmm |
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| 15:40.29 | imrehg | the interfaces should just call the wpa_supplicant, iwconfig, dhcpd (or some variant of thereof) |
| 15:40.38 | imrehg | everything it does you can do manually |
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| 15:43.18 | azaghal | iwconfig eth0 key s:password returns " SET failed on device eth0 ; Input/output error." |
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| 15:45.39 | frojnd | Hello there.. I didn't find anywhere if open moko has the same usb port as a normal computer? |
| 15:46.01 | frojnd | It just say: USB Host function with 500mA power, allowing you to power USB devices for short periods (will drain the FreeRunner battery faster) |
| 15:46.18 | Defiant | What do you mean with same? |
| 15:46.18 | azaghal | frojnd: It's one of those smaller ports. |
| 15:46.25 | azaghal | I guess size :) |
| 15:46.30 | frojnd | azaghal: oh ok :) |
| 15:46.39 | frojnd | is there any such UMTS modem' |
| 15:47.01 | frojnd | that has that size of a connectop as o's usb port? |
| 15:47.06 | Defiant | frojnd: to connect usb devices tot he freerunner as host you will need an adapter |
| 15:47.36 | frojnd | Defiant: ok |
| 15:47.52 | frojnd | Defiant: and when I have adapter, I can also connect my external disks on it? |
| 15:47.59 | azaghal | lol |
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| 15:48.04 | frojnd | ..not at the same time.. |
| 15:48.12 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 15:48.13 | azaghal | You know, you don't want to attach something that big :) |
| 15:48.15 | Defiant | you can connect everything |
| 15:48.23 | azaghal | Mostly because of power usage ;) |
| 15:48.27 | Defiant | but it will only be usable if your kernel supports the hardware |
| 15:48.49 | frojnd | azaghal: yes it has it's own power cable.. |
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| 15:49.24 | azaghal | Ah, nice. |
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| 16:37.46 | serdar1 | why it's so hard to get in nand flash? |
| 16:38.02 | slaxxin | its not |
| 16:38.16 | slaxxin | in? |
| 16:38.22 | serdar1 | everytime I try android starts booting |
| 16:38.39 | slaxxin | u have qi |
| 16:39.02 | serdar1 | first power on than aux for nand and first aux than power on for nor, right? |
| 16:39.03 | slaxxin | ?/ |
| 16:39.11 | serdar1 | slaxxin: yes installed on nor |
| 16:39.24 | serdar1 | I want it install on nand, is that wrong? |
| 16:39.38 | slaxxin | theres no nand menu when using Qi |
| 16:39.49 | serdar1 | ah |
| 16:39.56 | slaxxin | Qi is installed to nor |
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| 16:40.34 | serdar1 | the question is, should I install qi only on nor, or could it better to install it on nand? |
| 16:40.42 | serdar1 | hipitihop: you can't sleep? |
| 16:40.58 | slaxxin | nor only afaik |
| 16:41.29 | Dave | :o |
| 16:41.33 | slaxxin | or as i should say installed from nor |
| 16:41.34 | Dave | KenYoung :) |
| 16:41.56 | KenYoung | Hi Dave |
| 16:41.57 | azaghal | Wait, you can still get that menu after adding qi? |
| 16:42.27 | serdar1 | hi KenYoung are you the qt-extended-improved guy? |
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| 16:42.36 | slaxxin | it appears that the community has now taken over :)!!! |
| 16:42.46 | azaghal | slaxxin: Well, who else? :P |
| 16:42.59 | azaghal | The _good_ thing is that it's all Free Software :) |
| 16:43.03 | azaghal | And I mean really good. |
| 16:43.05 | KenYoung | serdar1, Sorry, no. I have no interest in qt-extended, improved or otherwise. |
| 16:43.15 | azaghal | If it were proprietary, we'd all go "oh, fsck" right now :) |
| 16:44.04 | serdar1 | i see |
| 16:44.36 | KenYoung | sedar1, I want X11... |
| 16:45.32 | serdar1 | hmm X11 is overrated |
| 16:45.33 | KenYoung | serdar1, but ubiquitous. |
| 16:46.17 | slaxxin | maybe with a 1000 mhz arm that uses 1/2 the power |
| 16:46.29 | serdar1 | hmm I am useing weechat for irc, there is no X11 needed :) |
| 16:47.14 | lindi- | azaghal: there are still some parts with have only NDA-access |
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| 16:47.33 | KenYoung | serdar1, I have many work-related X11 aps that I can now run on my phone, and I'm as happy as can be about that. The chances of them being re-written for qt are 0.000000000000000000000 |
| 16:48.26 | azaghal | KenYoung: You're using full-blown xorg or I missinterpreted here? |
| 16:48.55 | lindi- | azaghal: i'm using full-blown xorg at least |
| 16:48.57 | azaghal | lindi-: Yes, that's what worries me (like graphics, for example) |
| 16:49.06 | KenYoung | azaghal, The default X11 available with 2008.12 is just fine for my work applications. |
| 16:49.15 | lindi- | azaghal: the newest debian has to offer |
| 16:49.16 | azaghal | lindi-: xorg-server? |
| 16:49.18 | lindi- | azaghal: yep |
| 16:49.24 | azaghal | It's not running slowly? |
| 16:49.28 | slaxxin | can we see your work apps? |
| 16:49.34 | lindi- | azaghal: no it's faster than Xglamo |
| 16:49.39 | azaghal | It _is_? |
| 16:49.45 | azaghal | And memory? |
| 16:49.45 | lindi- | azaghal: when typing with xvkbd at least |
| 16:49.55 | lindi- | azaghal: 13M memory |
| 16:49.57 | lindi- | (rss) |
| 16:50.08 | lindi- | azaghal: no sorry, 7M |
| 16:50.17 | lindi- | 13M is virtual size, 7M is rss |
| 16:50.19 | azaghal | Man... |
| 16:50.23 | KenYoung | azaghal, It's *running*. If I ran a stack without X11, it would not run at all. The performance isn't spectacular, but I think the network is the bottleneck. |
| 16:50.37 | lindi- | azaghal: if you have some benchmark I can run it |
| 16:50.50 | azaghal | Ho-hum. No idea how I'd go creating one. |
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| 16:51.58 | lindi- | azaghal: x11perf? |
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| 16:53.26 | azaghal | Ok, just to install it on Neo here. |
| 16:53.41 | azaghal | Why did they develop Xglamo then? |
| 16:54.11 | azaghal | lindi-: You don't have the dpi bug when doing xrandr rotation? |
| 16:54.18 | lindi- | azaghal: just started script -c 'x11perf -all' |
| 16:54.32 | lindi- | azaghal: which one? bug number please |
| 16:54.55 | lindi- | azaghal: did xorg exist back then? |
| 16:55.27 | azaghal | I think so. |
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| 16:56.27 | CVirus | YUPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYY .. BREAKING NEWS .. GPS IS NOW LEGAL IN EGYPT |
| 16:56.28 | CVirus | WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:56.36 | CVirus | YES YES YES |
| 16:56.36 | azaghal | lindi-: Ok, started it myself. |
| 16:57.46 | KenYoung | CVirus, Wow - it was illegal to have a GPS unit in Egypt before this? |
| 16:57.56 | CVirus | KenYoung: yup |
| 16:57.57 | lindi- | azaghal: it'll start to appear to http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/xf86-video-glamo/x11perf1.txt |
| 16:58.07 | azaghal | Good, good, thanks :) |
| 16:58.13 | serdar1 | what is with this neopwn stuff? |
| 16:58.21 | KenYoung | CVirus, Then, there should be dancing in the streets there now. |
| 16:58.27 | azaghal | In actuality I thought that xorg couldn't run well on FR and that they opted to create their own. |
| 16:58.38 | CVirus | KenYoung: I'm going to do that .. hehe |
| 16:58.39 | lindi- | azaghal: they probably thought that too |
| 16:58.56 | azaghal | I wonder if they tested it, though? |
| 16:59.03 | KenYoung | CVirus, Map the Nile! |
| 16:59.29 | Dave | :D |
| 16:59.30 | azaghal | And the crocodiles :) |
| 16:59.34 | Dave | What's next, the AmazonM? :D |
| 16:59.44 | CVirus | LOL |
| 16:59.52 | azaghal | No idea, do we _have_ someone in Amazonia? |
| 17:01.22 | serdar1 | how's this poky stuff someone tested? |
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| 17:02.57 | lindi- | azaghal: how far are you with x11perf? ;) |
| 17:11.29 | slaxxin | has anybody tried small strips of closed cell foam between the speakers to stop echo on speakerphone? |
| 17:11.44 | IvdSangen | connecting to AP with SHR testing gives me different results, i can connect to some open and WPA networks, while some never seem to connect (using Mofi) |
| 17:12.49 | IvdSangen | also, does the stored passphrase get deleted when the AP has changed its passphrase? |
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| 17:16.27 | serdar1 | CVirus: than begin to create some data for openstreetmap :) |
| 17:17.24 | azaghal | lindi-: opaque stippled rectangle |
| 17:17.47 | CVirus | serdar1: sure :-D |
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| 17:18.46 | lindi- | azaghal: 10x10 tiled rectangle now |
| 17:20.11 | azaghal | lindi-: 5000000 reps @ 0.0010 msec (985000.0/sec): Dot is my first entry. |
| 17:20.33 | azaghal | Although, I think I'm using fbdev :) |
| 17:20.41 | lindi- | azaghal: ah, no good to benchmark against that |
| 17:20.45 | azaghal | Yep, I am. |
| 17:20.47 | azaghal | Aborting. |
| 17:21.08 | azaghal | Just change the device to Xglamo, right? |
| 17:21.12 | azaghal | *driver |
| 17:21.39 | lindi- | azaghal: isn't it separate binary? |
| 17:21.52 | azaghal | It is, but I can select device driver. |
| 17:21.56 | azaghal | I did use Xglamo, btw. |
| 17:21.59 | azaghal | X symlinks to it. |
| 17:22.30 | lindi- | azaghal: does Xglamo read configuratio files? |
| 17:22.38 | azaghal | lindi-: I think so. |
| 17:23.06 | azaghal | Yes, it does. |
| 17:23.14 | lindi- | azaghal: really? |
| 17:23.21 | azaghal | I'll double check now. |
| 17:23.28 | azaghal | I _have_ something in xorg.conf |
| 17:24.29 | azaghal | Let's see if it reads Composite from it. |
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| 17:53.42 | Zoup | why werner left openmoko? |
| 17:53.46 | azaghal | lindi-: Can't find that dpi thing, but when doing rotation of screen the dpi is lost (i.e. if you set it to 96 dpi it gets reset to something ~200) |
| 17:55.13 | lindi- | azaghal: here it is 61x81 or 81x61 depending on rotation :) |
| 17:55.39 | azaghal | Good, because Xglamo has that bug :) |
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| 17:57.30 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: speaker - if FR |
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| 17:58.07 | azaghal | Heck, now to figure out how to prevent wicd from shooting down the usb0 :) |
| 18:04.45 | IvdSangen | is there a good agenda application for shr testing? |
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| 18:08.26 | Zorkman | gpe-calendar? |
| 18:08.36 | Zorkman | (that was aimed toward IvdSangen) |
| 18:10.52 | IvdSangen | Zorkman: thnx, will check it out |
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| 18:15.24 | serdar1 | aaah |
| 18:15.56 | serdar1 | android don't work with swap?! |
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| 18:19.53 | naruto | hallo, where can i find the specific 2.6.29 for openmoko? |
| 18:19.55 | naruto | tnx |
| 18:20.52 | naruto | andy-tracking or pending-tracking?? |
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| 18:46.31 | kW | Hi! How is it possible to use the headphones for calling in Om2008.12? |
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| 19:12.42 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r43ace13adee4 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: clean up commons; revert custom vala change in glib-2.0.vapi |
| 19:12.45 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb68c8b63cc01 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: |
| 19:12.45 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: honor 'sysfs_root' attribute in top level config and compute paths based on it |
| 19:12.45 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: By using the sysfs_root attribute we can develop many parts of fsodevice that do their work |
| 19:12.47 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: using sysfs on the PC. Simply mount your neo's / to your PC (e.g. via sshfs) to /mnt/neo |
| 19:12.50 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: and then set |
| 19:12.52 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: [cornucopia] |
| 19:12.54 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: sysfs_root = /mnt/neo/sysfs |
| 19:16.57 | PaulFertser | kW: (wired headset) I guess it is possible, but you probably won't like it because of the buzz. |
| 19:17.39 | kW | PaulFertser: well, the buzz is not very nice |
| 19:17.57 | kW | PaulFertser: but we want to try out how it works in general... is there a buzz also when just listening to mplayer...? |
| 19:17.59 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 19:18.14 | Dave | no there is not the same buzz |
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| 19:18.19 | PaulFertser | kW: it will be picked up by the mic wire and will get very loud. And you won't hear it, it will be hard by the other party. |
| 19:18.20 | Dave | mplayer works fine for me |
| 19:18.37 | PaulFertser | s/hard/heard/ |
| 19:18.44 | PaulFertser | kW: afaik |
| 19:18.48 | KenYoung | Dave has promised to tell us what Project B is. |
| 19:19.10 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: It doesn't run Linux, why should we care? ;) |
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| 19:19.38 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, How do you know it doesn't run linux? |
| 19:20.32 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: somebody said it on irc. And moreover Raster've certainly said that we won't be interested in project B, i trust him. |
| 19:20.43 | Dave | What what? |
| 19:20.44 | Dave | Oh no |
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| 19:21.28 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, Oh, I knew nothing about it except the name, and I was hoping it was something cool (linux, of course). |
| 19:21.33 | PaulFertser | kW: you might try nevertheless, for that go to Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem on the wiki and prepare tweaked alsa state file according to the "fancy" routing diagram. But i think you might have more success with the latest FSO and bluetooth headset. |
| 19:21.52 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: something cool from OM-the-company? You must be kidding me! |
| 19:22.27 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, I think the Freerunner is cool. |
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| 19:24.26 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: imho: gta01 and gta02 -- great initial idea, concept to make an open phone. Unfortunately fucked up. :( Freerunner technically is not cool: except that we mostly have specs, schematics and working kernel. Hardware itself is probably beyond the lower level of what can be considered reasonable in the industry. |
| 19:25.10 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: both component selection (that one has a decent excuse: need for a non-NDA'd docs) and bad design quality (that has no excuse)... :-/ |
| 19:25.13 | PaulFertser | IMHO |
| 19:25.59 | SpeedEvil | 'beyond the lower level' ? |
| 19:26.42 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, I agree the hardware is obsolete, and there are some hardware fuckups. But you can't expect state-of-the-art components for several well known reasons. The fuckups are mostly fixable. The hardware is plenty powerful enough to be a phone, but not a media phone. I still think it is exciting, because you can do what you want with it. |
| 19:26.48 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i can't spell and know no grammar, sorry :( |
| 19:27.04 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: I'm not nitpicking on grammar, I don't understand it. |
| 19:27.07 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser:" |
| 19:27.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: you better nitpick, it will give me a chance to improve ;) |
| 19:27.49 | SpeedEvil | You mean the hardware isn't adequate for a phone of the proposed class? |
| 19:28.20 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil, Right. It will never, ever, ever do decent video IMO. |
| 19:28.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i mean the hardware sucks in many ways, notably obsolete components and bad engineering. |
| 19:28.41 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:28.52 | SpeedEvil | In some ways GTA01 + wifi would have been a sensible step. |
| 19:29.16 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it's slow. But look at this working kernel and power-saving, and it runs linux, and takes calls from suspend, and ... |
| 19:29.27 | KenYoung | But you can't blame OM for using obsolete materials, I feel. They can only be blamed for the screwups (glamo being the worst). |
| 19:29.40 | SpeedEvil | forgets when GTA01 was shipped |
| 19:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Jul 2006? |
| 19:29.50 | mirko-paroli | wonders if this discussion will ever die off |
| 19:29.58 | KenYoung | July 2007. |
| 19:29.59 | SpeedEvil | mirko-paroli: of course not! |
| 19:30.13 | SpeedEvil | forgot the new year again. |
| 19:30.15 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 19:30.40 | mirko-paroli | takes an extra big sip |
| 19:31.13 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: you know, it's sad to see how this great opportunity (OM initiative) dies (not fulfilling initial goals) because of stupidity. |
| 19:31.25 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 19:31.25 | mirko-paroli | knows |
| 19:31.54 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: will you contribute to paroli without openmoko? |
| 19:32.01 | SpeedEvil | The only way to pick the glamo I can see is A) Stupidity. B) Locking in a poor decision too early in an attempt to get hardware out the door ASAP, and not backing out and taking the months hit when it seemed to be dead. |
| 19:32.01 | PaulFertser | That's why i discuss it again and again... Sometimes just can't forget and "move on". |
| 19:32.20 | SpeedEvil | The only way to pick the glamo I can see is A) Stupidity. B) Locking in a poor decision too early in an attempt to get hardware out the door ASAP, and not backing out and taking the months hit when it seemed to be less good than hoped. |
| 19:32.23 | SpeedEvil | I suspect B) |
| 19:32.28 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: Om is still supporting paroli, just much much less than before |
| 19:32.41 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: how much support before and now? :) |
| 19:33.05 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: before there was 3 - 5 people working on it, well more or less anways, now it is me |
| 19:33.14 | PBeck | uff :/ |
| 19:33.18 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 19:33.28 | SpeedEvil | :/ indeed. |
| 19:33.28 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: would "beyond the lowest quality level" be more correct/understandable? What's the correct way to say that? |
| 19:34.17 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: and to answer the question a bit more dramatically, yes I will still contribute whatever I can to the idea of an open phone, regardless of the company selling them |
| 19:34.17 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: beyond is usually applied to 'further, longer, higher, best' - postitive words. |
| 19:34.24 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: hum i think in five years we have a working gta02-software - but no more gta02s :> |
| 19:34.27 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: meaning 'better than' |
| 19:34.46 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: nice to hear |
| 19:34.52 | azaghal | When using qi, does uImage-GTA0[1-3] mean which version of Neo is being used or I can put uImage-GTA01 even for FR? |
| 19:34.59 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: I believe that the software being written these days can be hw independent |
| 19:35.01 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: "this stupidity is beyond my level of understanding" will sound weird then? |
| 19:35.10 | mirko-paroli | and most of it brought onto new devices |
| 19:35.19 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: that works. |
| 19:35.27 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: yes of course |
| 19:35.48 | PaulFertser | azaghal: Version of Neo, it won't magically make kernels compatible ;) |
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| 19:35.53 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: English is confusing! Especially to people not experts in the language that just speak it and don't have to analyse why something sounds wierd. |
| 19:36.05 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: English is confusing! Especially to people not experts in the language that just speak it and don't usually have to analyse why something sounds wierd. |
| 19:36.12 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: there are so many software projects out there to get a stable telephone software - i'm curous about it, which will be the first ;) |
| 19:36.21 | azaghal | PaulFertser: I meant more if I could put three kernels with names GTA01/02/03 (all for the FR), and use the button when booting for switching ;) |
| 19:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: "better" stupidity ;) |
| 19:36.45 | PaulFertser | azaghal: no, you can't do that. |
| 19:36.47 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: I hope a combination of most of them, each has its strengths and weaknesses ... |
| 19:36.57 | azaghal | Ok, so Qi functions depending on the name? |
| 19:37.30 | PaulFertser | azaghal: it chooses the name of the file to load depending on the device it runs on. |
| 19:37.32 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: yes of course |
| 19:37.39 | azaghal | Ah |
| 19:38.14 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: i'am curious about the new openmoko project :) |
| 19:38.55 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: I believe that is what Sean intended :) |
| 19:39.06 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: you know the project - can you say that it is the new geek-gadget? ;) |
| 19:39.34 | PBeck | or mass-market gadget? :P |
| 19:39.49 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: hmm these questions are hard to answer, but Sean talked of a mass market device ... |
| 19:40.34 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: yes mass-market device - but thats not mean that the end user will buy it ^^ |
| 19:40.36 | KenYoung | OM used to talk about "when the neo1973 is a mass market device..." |
| 19:40.52 | mirko-paroli | PBeck: true a gamble every comp has to take |
| 19:40.53 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: perhaps a mp3 player with rockbox as native os? :D |
| 19:41.11 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: problem is... |
| 19:41.28 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: you can't - sensibly - have a microprocessor running linux doing the decoding |
| 19:41.30 | KenYoung | Perhaps a workstation to solder surface mount capacitors. |
| 19:41.30 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: openmoko has problems with audio? :P |
| 19:41.34 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: it eats too much power |
| 19:41.43 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: or it costs too much, or both |
| 19:41.51 | SpeedEvil | wants an openmoko wirebonder. |
| 19:42.15 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: why software decoding? |
| 19:42.16 | KenYoung | I want an OM radiation therapy device. |
| 19:42.41 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: I mean - to run linux, you have to have a moderately large processor. |
| 19:42.42 | mirko-paroli | wants an OM peace, love and happiness device |
| 19:43.00 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: but, unless this is quite a fast processor, it can't decode MP3. |
| 19:43.02 | PBeck | mirko-paroli: peace on earth? that will be expensive ;) |
| 19:43.14 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: mp3 decoding is done at rather lower power with ASICs |
| 19:43.21 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: why linux? |
| 19:43.33 | PBeck | should the new device run linux? |
| 19:43.39 | PBeck | or only be open hardware? |
| 19:44.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right - sorry - you said rockbox, I read linux. |
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| 19:44.49 | azaghal | Argh. I keep getting: |
| 19:44.52 | azaghal | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : |
| 19:44.52 | SpeedEvil | That said, I want linux in _everything_ that it can be put in. |
| 19:44.52 | azaghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.02 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: i thought peace, love and happiness can be brought through the art (music/paintings/cinema/etc), not devices... Looks like this approached failed too... |
| 19:45.02 | SpeedEvil | A camera with embedded 'motion' software for example. |
| 19:45.06 | azaghal | For iwconfig eth0 key s:password |
| 19:45.37 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 19:46.19 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I just figured since the natural approach failed, we need a machine to do that for us ... best bet I guess |
| 19:46.36 | PaulFertser | BTW, i'm too young to know, but did many people really believed back then that music can really "give piece a chance" to become a better place? |
| 19:47.16 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, I'm of that age group, and we believe a lot of stuff stupider than that. |
| 19:47.29 | fredrin_ | lol |
| 19:47.30 | KenYoung | s/believe/believed/ |
| 19:47.46 | KenYoung | apt, Yup, exactly right. |
| 19:47.50 | PBeck | KenYoung: rofl |
| 19:47.50 | PaulFertser | KenYoung: i guess it's much better to believe in stupid dreams about piece than in "no future" slogan. |
| 19:48.06 | PaulFertser | s/piece/peace/ |
| 19:48.13 | PBeck | we have a feature? then openmoko too :D |
| 19:48.18 | PBeck | *future :) |
| 19:48.25 | KenYoung | PaulFertser, We boomers have been a DISASTER. |
| 19:48.44 | PBeck | so i will go offline now - good weekend to all :) bye bye |
| 19:48.51 | mirko-paroli | night PBeck |
| 19:51.07 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: heh, how many people can understand and see some ethics in "The Story of Mel"? I.e. i guess some Miyazaki films can really influence more people. |
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| 19:53.38 | fredrin | mirko-paroli: done moving? |
| 19:53.55 | mirko-paroli | fredrin: yepp, homeless once again :) |
| 19:54.12 | Dave | :] |
| 19:54.15 | fredrin | homeless is good |
| 19:54.16 | Dave | aw |
| 19:54.19 | Dave | not good :P |
| 19:54.19 | fredrin | then you can have many homes |
| 19:54.29 | Dave | many cardboard boxes to live in ¬_¬ |
| 19:54.34 | Dave | or corners to live on :P |
| 19:54.41 | fredrin | nah, couch surfing |
| 19:54.48 | mirko-paroli | Dave: nope, only 2 suitcases and a backpack,which was the plan |
| 19:54.50 | fredrin | hostels, temp apts |
| 19:55.00 | mirko-paroli | I am mobile ;) |
| 19:55.02 | fredrin | I've been living like that for 2 years |
| 19:55.08 | Dave | :O |
| 19:55.15 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:55.16 | fredrin | my home is on teh internets |
| 19:55.19 | Dave | -_- |
| 19:55.21 | mirko-paroli | fredrin: I have been doing this for almost 5 now ;) |
| 19:55.26 | fredrin | or on my computer |
| 19:55.27 | Dave | wtf? |
| 19:55.27 | mirko-paroli | had the flat for 8 weeks |
| 19:55.33 | fredrin | mirko-paroli: nice |
| 19:55.42 | mirko-paroli | 4 of them I wasn't even on the continent ;) |
| 19:55.44 | fredrin | /home/ |
| 19:55.57 | fredrin | come to Uruguay and Argentina |
| 19:56.06 | fredrin | nice places to be, just a bit unstable internet |
| 19:56.11 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 19:56.44 | fredrin | but you can pick up girls with showing off the FR, since it's very low tech here in south america |
| 19:56.50 | fredrin | lol |
| 19:56.55 | fredrin | people think I'm Neo |
| 19:56.58 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 19:56.59 | Dave | :P |
| 19:57.04 | Dave | THE ONE |
| 19:57.28 | mirko-paroli | fredrin: good there was a quesition that always bothered me |
| 19:57.34 | mirko-paroli | I couldn't get it out of my head |
| 19:57.43 | fredrin | what |
| 19:57.50 | mirko-paroli | can you switch the color of the writing that you see flowing around everywhere? |
| 19:57.57 | mirko-paroli | or is it always that green? |
| 19:58.02 | Dave | O_o |
| 19:58.16 | fredrin | just get drunk and it changes or LSD |
| 19:58.24 | Dave | -_- |
| 19:58.35 | mirko-paroli | notes the advice for alter |
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| 19:58.41 | fredrin | lol |
| 19:59.51 | mirko-paroli | actually I'll take the advice now and have a real beer |
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| 20:02.37 | fredrin | skål |
| 20:02.44 | mirko-paroli | tack |
| 20:03.28 | fredrin | takes a sigg |
| 20:03.44 | Dave | :o |
| 20:03.59 | Sargi | Hi, im trying to install an emulation env for openmoko on my Ubuntu hardy system, I'm following the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu. But during compiling, it stops with the following error message: http://pastebin.com/d45410b0 . This Problem ist described in the article too, but there is no solution. Can anyone help me please? |
| 20:04.13 | mirko-paroli | detsamma |
| 20:04.21 | fredrin | lol |
| 20:04.43 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
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| 20:07.21 | mirko-paroli | so, fredrin what brought you to Argentina or are you from there? |
| 20:08.32 | fredrin | no, from norway, but i wanted to try a different way of life, for one year, now it has been two years :) |
| 20:08.33 | Dave | haha |
| 20:08.46 | Dave | en? |
| 20:08.49 | fredrin | and I've always liked argentina |
| 20:09.02 | mirko-paroli | got exciting work down there ? |
| 20:09.06 | fredrin | but i go back to norway during the summer |
| 20:09.10 | Dave | :o |
| 20:09.28 | fredrin | because it winter here when it's summer in norway :) |
| 20:09.32 | Dave | ja :p |
| 20:09.36 | Dave | hva jobber du med? |
| 20:09.37 | mirko-paroli | "summer" ;) |
| 20:09.45 | fredrin | nah, make money on the stock market. Making money of the financial crisis |
| 20:09.53 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 20:09.54 | fredrin | somebody got to do that aswell :D |
| 20:09.55 | mirko-paroli | du glömde ett d eller ? |
| 20:09.58 | Dave | bastard! |
| 20:10.08 | mirko-paroli | fredrin: smart |
| 20:10.36 | fredrin | Dave: har jobbet som sysadmin i et lite oppstaarts firma i norge. www.kikora.no |
| 20:10.43 | Dave | Ah :] |
| 20:10.46 | Dave | cool |
| 20:10.48 | fredrin | og hjulpet til å lage en matematikk motor i maude |
| 20:10.55 | Dave | argentina hmm |
| 20:11.02 | Dave | hvordan er været?? |
| 20:11.16 | fredrin | stabilt og varmt, men ikke for varmt |
| 20:11.27 | Dave | :D |
| 20:11.29 | fredrin | men du finner alt slags vær i argentina |
| 20:11.30 | Dave | nice |
| 20:11.40 | fredrin | men buenos aires har bra vær |
| 20:11.54 | fredrin | montevideo, uruguay også |
| 20:12.01 | Dave | så... er du singel? ;p |
| 20:12.03 | fredrin | kun tre timer med båt fra buenos aires |
| 20:12.07 | fredrin | ja |
| 20:12.19 | fredrin | har vel noen damer litt her og der.... |
| 20:12.19 | Dave | jeg forstår :P |
| 20:12.37 | mirko-paroli | Dave: nice shift of topics ;) |
| 20:12.49 | Dave | :P |
| 20:12.50 | PaulFertser | And languages |
| 20:12.55 | Dave | I had to know ;) |
| 20:13.01 | fredrin | it always comes down to women and the weather |
| 20:13.08 | Dave | ja |
| 20:13.14 | Dave | what else is there to talk about? openmoko? |
| 20:13.15 | Dave | hah! |
| 20:13.18 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 20:13.21 | fredrin | the global common multiplier |
| 20:13.26 | Dave | :] |
| 20:13.31 | Dave | stemmer det! |
| 20:13.34 | mirko-paroli | bra fråga var bara liten överraskad |
| 20:13.36 | fredrin | lol |
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| 20:15.21 | Dave | sååååååååååååååå..... er du stein eller idag? :] |
| 20:15.55 | fredrin | stein? fjern? |
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| 20:16.04 | fredrin | :P |
| 20:16.42 | Dave | hehehe |
| 20:17.01 | Dave | hey, I don't know what you do down there!? |
| 20:17.08 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
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| 20:19.33 | fredrin | http://webehigh.com/ <-- Uruguay is the place to be :) |
| 20:19.51 | fredrin | lol |
| 20:19.58 | Dave | o_O |
| 20:20.07 | Dave | crazy |
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| 21:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | so pupils, now for our english lesson. Open your books at page... |
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| 21:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | ge0lenen gefaxenen |
| 21:31.26 | Wonka | what? |
| 21:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | [22:15] <Dave> sååååååååååååååå..... er du stein eller idag? :] |
| 21:32.07 | Wonka | that was at least not entirely, but quite unlike german |
| 21:32.12 | fredrin | translate.google.com |
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| 21:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: google dransleid koo mer amool an buggl noorudschn, host mi? |
| 21:34.16 | rhkfin_ | I'm running 2008.12 with updated e17 (from http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/ incl. elementary). I get message: 'error while loading shared libraries: libelementary.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. How to get over this? |
| 21:35.17 | rhkfin_ | I'm trying to run the app with ELM_ENGINE=x16 (no idea what's that for) |
| 21:36.23 | fredrin | DocScrutinizer: google.translate failed me :( |
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| 21:38.49 | rhkfin_ | ah, this was needed: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/e17/lib |
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| 22:13.37 | MadTBone | Can anyone get sound from the alarm w/ SHR unstable |
| 22:14.25 | IvdSangen | is there work going on to get a good mail client working? |
| 22:15.14 | fredrin | someone shuld make this work on the FR http://www.tinymail.org/trac/tmut |
| 22:15.15 | macros | MadTBone: Install ffalarms, it works well |
| 22:15.22 | fredrin | nice mail client |
| 22:15.43 | Serdar | fredrin, that's not german |
| 22:15.55 | fredrin | Serdar: eh? |
| 22:16.22 | Serdar | nope, it isn't |
| 22:16.45 | Serdar | oh it was Wonka who mentioned it |
| 22:17.27 | IvdSangen | fredrin: i will take a look at it :) |
| 22:17.27 | fredrin | someone did, not sure who |
| 22:17.38 | fredrin | but i should be posible to translate it |
| 22:18.00 | fredrin | it |
| 22:18.02 | fredrin | gah |
| 22:18.23 | fredrin | i don't know german, just learn it at school for 4 years... |
| 22:18.23 | Serdar | nope there is: he you stone and something I cannot translate. but nethertheless "he you stone" makes no sense |
| 22:19.00 | fredrin | stone could be stoned ;) |
| 22:19.21 | shellevil | Maybe he said jehova? |
| 22:19.46 | Serdar | jehova makes no sense eigher |
| 22:20.16 | fredrin | "sooooooo... are you stoned or today? :]" |
| 22:20.35 | fredrin | but the sentence don't make fullysense in true norwegian |
| 22:21.19 | shellevil | sorry - Python reference. |
| 22:21.21 | fredrin | but what ever |
| 22:21.24 | shellevil | Life of Brian |
| 22:21.35 | Serdar | to be stoned is not timely. |
| 22:21.38 | fredrin | eh? |
| 22:21.50 | Serdar | I killed me, I like puns :) |
| 22:21.53 | fredrin | Serdar: if you smoke wee |
| 22:21.57 | fredrin | d |
| 22:22.07 | fredrin | it is |
| 22:22.15 | Serdar | smoking a wii sound's much expensive |
| 22:22.35 | Serdar | s/sound's/sounds |
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| 22:23.13 | fredrin | true, but make a Wii smoke is more fun |
| 22:24.04 | Wonka | are there any wimmin around here todaaay? |
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| 22:24.42 | Toaster` | Is there a description of the idle/lock/idle prelock/idle dim anywhere? Some of them are self-explainatory but I'm confused about what some o fthem do. |
| 22:28.29 | Dave | Hewo Wonka :) |
| 22:30.17 | Wonka | i was told danish and norsk was the same language, but the danes can't speak and the norsk can't write |
| 22:31.17 | fredrin | true |
| 22:31.44 | fredrin | and the sweeds don't understand anything :) |
| 22:31.53 | rhkfin_ | and the finns understand you all :) |
| 22:32.20 | fredrin | :) |
| 22:32.59 | Dave | :P |
| 22:34.28 | OsteHovel | Norsk |
| 22:34.30 | OsteHovel | :P |
| 22:34.34 | TeLLuS | Svenskar förstår inte finska.. |
| 22:34.40 | OsteHovel | Norwegian: Drikker du Ãl? |
| 22:35.02 | rhkfin_ | hits you all with lutfisk :) |
| 22:35.08 | OsteHovel | :P |
| 22:36.12 | fredrin | OsteHovel: alltid |
| 22:36.44 | Toaster` | Any of you guys know anything about the timeouts in SHR? |
| 22:36.45 | fredrin | the vikings are the best comunicators |
| 22:36.46 | fredrin | lol |
| 22:37.37 | rhkfin_ | Toaster`: nope, sorry.. |
| 22:39.23 | Toaster` | hrm.. |
| 22:39.29 | TeLLuS | Toaster`: Just that there are timeouts.. try change and wait and see |
| 22:40.04 | Toaster` | Well, that's the issue. My FR suspends fine, but doesn't dim |
| 22:40.40 | Toaster` | and since I don't know what some of the timeouts are for exactly, I can't be sure they are actually firing, or even how to check. |
| 22:41.04 | slaxxin | tried settings/power? |
| 22:41.18 | Toaster` | slaxxin: yes |
| 22:41.38 | slaxxin | cant change the values? |
| 22:42.22 | Toaster` | slaxxin: I can change the values, but nothing blanks. Though reading through the SHR commit logs, they may have tweaked somethings that broke it. |
| 22:43.01 | Toaster` | Found the issue when my FR drained whilst doing some gps mapping this morning |
| 22:44.51 | Toaster` | though no changes other then visual changes to the timeouts module |
| 22:45.34 | Toaster` | looking more and more like a frameworkd issue. SHR-Settings seems to be updating frameworkd.conf properly |
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| 22:53.36 | slaxxin | nmmmmm "free hardware" |
| 22:54.12 | simoo | i just read slashdot, i am a little sad |
| 22:54.25 | simoo | I only just got my freerunner |
| 22:55.06 | slaxxin | no worries |
| 22:55.29 | simoo | no? |
| 22:56.02 | IvdSangen | simoo: hacking will go on! |
| 22:57.45 | simoo | yeah, that's true :) but it is a shame that the project failed |
| 22:58.21 | simoo | wanted an open source phone, found one and was really glad for that |
| 22:58.34 | IvdSangen | well, the specs are there for another noble soul to pick them up |
| 22:59.20 | simoo | yeah I suppose because ot was all open source, the progress is not lost |
| 23:00.09 | rhkfin_ | Hmm.. not good.. can't get a ssh in my debian any more and I have no keyboard -> can't do anything.. dmesg on the host doesn't notice the connectiong.. |
| 23:00.24 | azaghal | Load average 5.04... Oh my... |
| 23:00.35 | rhkfin_ | ah, now it did - it just took a loong time |
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| 23:02.01 | fredrin | i can't connect over ssh aswell, think it got something to do with new kernel modules |
| 23:02.05 | fredrin | not sure what to do |
| 23:02.19 | fredrin | have keyboard though :) |
| 23:02.32 | rhkfin_ | fredrin: debian? |
| 23:02.43 | fredrin | shr-unstable |
| 23:02.45 | rhkfin_ | ok |
| 23:02.48 | azaghal | fredrin: Type in ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 ? |
| 23:02.58 | fredrin | tried |
| 23:03.00 | azaghal | Oh, nvm. |
| 23:03.12 | azaghal | SHR died on me as well after some update :) |
| 23:03.27 | azaghal | Heck, I was struggling to get Debian working with wifi the whole afternoon. |
| 23:03.45 | fredrin | wifi don't work either |
| 23:04.02 | simoo | does debian use the freerunners 2d acceleration? |
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| 23:07.00 | fredrin | hum lsmod gives me just one module |
| 23:07.02 | fredrin | can't be right |
| 23:09.03 | simoo | are openmoko still going to sell the phone? |
| 23:09.46 | fredrin | puh, back in on the phone |
| 23:09.50 | fredrin | depmod + reboot helped |
| 23:10.33 | Wonka | simoo: http://www.openmoko.com/ says yes |
| 23:10.41 | Wonka | damn. he fled. |
| 23:12.11 | IvdSangen | huh, how do i get a C compiler on SHR testing? |
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| 23:12.51 | IvdSangen | opkg install gcc does something, but it appears not to drop some gcc binary in my default PATH |
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| 23:34.46 | toggles_w | ouch, the dot slashers aren't very nice.. |
| 23:35.14 | fredrin | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240 |
| 23:35.16 | husku | toggles_w: surprise. |
| 23:35.24 | toggles_w | husku: lol ;-) |
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| 23:42.55 | IvdSangen | okay, apart from gcc it needed gcc-symlinks |
| 23:43.42 | IvdSangen | but now I still do not have an assembler |
| 23:46.39 | ColdFyre | RIP openmoko :(:( |
| 23:47.31 | KenYoung | ColdFyre, Sadly, yes. |
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| 23:50.32 | doc|laptop | hey, does that mean our phones could increase in value? |
| 23:50.45 | doc|laptop | admittedly, right now they're worthless given they don't fucking work, but that's beside the point :( |
| 23:52.49 | KenYoung | Edsels are quite pricey cars these days. |
| 23:53.39 | doc|laptop | :) |
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| 23:54.42 | doc|laptop | still, they're not dead yet, just not working on the freerunner :/ |
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