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| 00:15.25 | max_posedon | latest shr is so funny!))) |
| 00:15.57 | max_posedon | main screen just broke my mind |
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| 00:51.35 | SeligArkin | s/ /_/ |
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| 01:20.26 | qsorix | Hi all |
| 01:25.09 | qsorix | I'm trying to run Openmoko under Qemu and I would really appreciate any help. Are there any recent sets of u-boot, rootfs and kernel images that are known to work? |
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| 01:45.18 | qsorix | exit |
| 01:45.22 | qsorix | ;-) |
| 01:45.48 | rooly | ... |
| 01:45.49 | rooly | wtf |
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| 01:56.46 | slaxxin | parlez vous shr |
| 01:56.53 | slaxxin | hahahaha |
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| 02:30.02 | slaxxin | 3.25.2009 shr 2.6.28 rc4 uboot |
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| 06:34.08 | fredrin | openmoko is going for plan B |
| 06:34.19 | fredrin | runs and hides |
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| 07:19.37 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:36.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:39.00 | ndnihil | guten morgen |
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| 08:49.51 | KenYoung | Does anyone have a guess about what "Project B" is? |
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| 09:41.29 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: buzz fix photos: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/buzz-fix/ |
| 09:43.47 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 09:44.02 | ndnihil | I wonder how badly I would fuck that up |
| 09:44.38 | leinir | Hehe, i've got shaky hands most of the time, so i'd rather not try - i almost managed to balls up the wiikey installation on the old super-easy-to-install wiikey ;) |
| 09:44.58 | ndnihil | I ended up soft-modding my wii |
| 09:45.10 | ndnihil | twilight princess method |
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| 09:45.25 | ndnihil | I do have a homemade hot-air reflow gun |
| 09:45.53 | ndnihil | helps a lot with surface mount |
| 09:46.07 | ndnihil | but with my luck I'd end up with half the components on the board falling off |
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| 10:00.29 | wizkoder | just read openmoko is closing down? 292 people here... guess can't be true :-) |
| 10:01.07 | Eirik_ | where did you read that |
| 10:01.12 | SpeedEvil | Most of the people here don't actually speak. |
| 10:01.16 | SpeedEvil | Also - that. |
| 10:01.33 | ndnihil | openmoko as a company? |
| 10:01.40 | SpeedEvil | Also - even if openmoko the company shut down, in principle the community could carry on developing the code. |
| 10:02.15 | SpeedEvil | http://openmoko.com/press.html says nothing |
| 10:02.21 | wizkoder | http://www.golem.de/0904/66307.html |
| 10:02.23 | wizkoder | german. sorry |
| 10:03.06 | SpeedEvil | could you perhaps give a brief summary of where their sources are? |
| 10:06.47 | wizkoder | they say that half the people loose there jobs. guess what they mean is the hardware. we, the community, should be able to continue to develop the software. |
| 10:07.30 | SpeedEvil | Depends. If it's the right half - the project could go faster! |
| 10:07.46 | SpeedEvil | Though speaking realistically, it's probably not a good sign. |
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| 10:09.03 | SpeedEvil | There has always been a bit of Babylon 5 about openmoko. 'Last best hope for peace'... |
| 10:09.19 | SpeedEvil | And not as polished as the other space-stations. |
| 10:09.44 | qsorix | Hi, sorry for interrupting. I've got a question about Openmoko and QEMU. Perhaps somebody could help me with getting them running? |
| 10:10.16 | SpeedEvil | sorry - I have done it - but so long ago I've forgotten all the details. I can only point you at the wiki qemu page, and hope it's not hopelessly out of date. |
| 10:10.37 | qsorix | it is, apparently |
| 10:10.48 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 10:12.02 | qsorix | well... instructions are quite good actually, but they only work with old images of u-boot, rootfs and kernel. nothing from recent testing, unstable nor 2008.12 realase worked |
| 10:14.37 | ndnihil | shit |
| 10:15.01 | ndnihil | read the translation of that german article |
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| 10:19.20 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Reports of massive redundancies at openmoko (autotranslated) http://tinyurl.com/cqpal3 Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 10:39.54 | muxe | I just heard Openmoko kicked half of their staff and stops developing on mobile phones... thats sad :( |
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| 10:41.43 | Weiss | yeah :/ |
| 10:41.51 | Weiss | feels somewhat like Acorn circa 1999 |
| 10:42.14 | Weiss | i'm very interested to see what "Plan B" is, though |
| 10:42.49 | muxe | yep. the fun part is: is never used my FR as a phone ;) |
| 10:43.10 | Weiss | i use mine full-time at the moment :) |
| 10:43.23 | muxe | g2g, cya |
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| 11:05.49 | panicking | hi all |
| 11:08.15 | Weiss | morning |
| 11:08.17 | Weiss | (ish) |
| 11:09.21 | Eirik_ | hey guys, I've installed Android on my neo freerunner but I'm not sure how to install and run the java applications I wrote for it in eclipse? |
| 11:11.18 | panicking | adb install |
| 11:14.08 | Eirik_ | I don't have a proper shell to use, it refuses SSH and the emulated shell within android doesn't recognize adb as a command |
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| 11:22.53 | frankS2 | REFUSE THY SHALL |
| 11:23.41 | raster | pokes his tongue out @ android |
| 11:24.38 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:24.43 | SpeedEvil | (wrt topic) |
| 11:26.17 | raster | and gta03 "suspended" (i read cancelled as if you just fired 50% of your staff - almost all of them the linux side) you aren't doing a linux phone anymroe as you have no one to do wit with :) |
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| 11:27.08 | SpeedEvil | Are you just assuming it's the hardware side - based on the fact they're continuing to make hardware? |
| 11:28.16 | SpeedEvil | (not being fired) |
| 11:28.16 | raster | the software side |
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| 11:28.33 | raster | it was almost entirely software - linux gone. |
| 11:28.56 | raster | i am not sure how u plan to do a phone that can run linux.. without at least kernle devs and enough to ensure it works |
| 11:29.03 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7e5d6635af7b 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: transport: allow delegates to be submitted lateron |
| 11:29.08 | SpeedEvil | 'the community!' |
| 11:29.13 | SpeedEvil | bangs head on desk. |
| 11:29.25 | SpeedEvil | bangs head on corpse of open phone project. |
| 11:29.29 | raster | thus... you get my conclusion |
| 11:30.00 | leinir | An... interesting choice i must say |
| 11:30.17 | leinir | i rather suspect i shall be getting an N810++ (as in, whatever the next ones ends up being called) |
| 11:30.23 | SpeedEvil | Unless they're trying to go into the navigation device manufacturer area - but that seems utterly commoditised - even assumign you can get someone like tomtom or whatever onboard. |
| 11:31.59 | raster | leinir: i suspoect.. that may be worth it. it's omap3 based so lots of existing ti supported source for the soc |
| 11:32.45 | SpeedEvil | reads old news. |
| 11:32.47 | SpeedEvil | 'The OpenMoko development goals for the coming six months had been clearly defined, writes Moss-Pultz, but not further on the matter. Das geplante Mesh-Netzwerk, mit dem sich die Telefone untereinander vernetzen und somit teilweise das GSM-Netz umgehen können, sei vorerst eingestellt. The proposed mesh network with which the phones connect with each other and thus partially the GSM network can work around was being terminated. Die Idee habe sich |
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| 11:32.57 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 11:33.01 | leinir | raster: *nods* Indeed - and since i actually don't like the phone part of phones (for whatever reason, i just don't like voice only type talking), i suspect that device, with it's 3G chip and no-phone-stuff-but-possibly-texting-and-that will suit me perfectly :) |
| 11:33.04 | SpeedEvil | copypaste does unexpected things |
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| 11:33.37 | SpeedEvil | that speaks of a 'GSM-mesh network hybrid' - a project abandoned as of jan this year - any ideas what that was? |
| 11:33.37 | raster | leinir: actually - given the right software. it could do voice... methinks |
| 11:33.38 | Eirik_ | lol aspies |
| 11:33.50 | raster | depending on their 3g chip and its api (how its broken out) |
| 11:34.02 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats was diversity |
| 11:34.06 | raster | man was that a mess |
| 11:34.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: diversity? |
| 11:34.14 | raster | yes |
| 11:34.40 | leinir | raster: Sure thing, it can do voice just fine (the n810 can do that through VoIP already), but well... it'd still require a headset of some description, and oh no, i might not be carrying that 'round with me ;) |
| 11:34.40 | SpeedEvil | raster: you mean the 'with a cooperating GSM provider, you can have a virtual cell-site over wifi/internet'? |
| 11:35.24 | raster | SpeedEvil: it was more "use gsm (sms etc.) to get info as to where your neares wifif hotspot was and then use that instead of voice" |
| 11:35.31 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:35.39 | raster | of course it assumed the world was full of open/free to use hotspots |
| 11:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 11:35.49 | SpeedEvil | And legal even |
| 11:35.50 | raster | and everyone co-operating int freeing up these wifif areas |
| 11:35.50 | xcasex | sweden is out of that then. |
| 11:36.03 | xcasex | we just got repressed, north korea style :( |
| 11:36.08 | SpeedEvil | and dropped calls don't matter... |
| 11:36.20 | raster | leinir: sure. but it'd be nice if its simply a matter of software or config... |
| 11:36.20 | xcasex | its now illegal to use or own open hotspots |
| 11:36.30 | raster | i suspect the "n900" (as i call it) will be nice |
| 11:36.44 | raster | as the n800/810 had the big complaint of "no gsm" |
| 11:36.51 | raster | people really wanted it |
| 11:37.04 | raster | or well didnt want to have to also use their phone and use bt to phone to get data on the road |
| 11:37.18 | SpeedEvil | raster: Now is the time to rename your project GTA04! :) |
| 11:37.23 | leinir | *nods* Yeah, mainly the latter :) |
| 11:37.59 | raster | hahahaa |
| 11:38.02 | raster | dude.... |
| 11:38.19 | raster | i wouldnt give it such a handicap |
| 11:38.23 | SpeedEvil | On a more serious note - how goes that? |
| 11:38.38 | raster | you have no idea how many GT* projects have been cancelled... |
| 11:38.59 | SpeedEvil | raster: after taking a large fraction of the internal effort for a while? |
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| 12:09.24 | raster | SpeedEvil: ummm... havent had any breakthroughs |
| 12:09.28 | raster | still stuck and an impasse |
| 12:10.43 | ndnihil | raster: you work for OM? |
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| 12:12.41 | raster | not since last august |
| 12:14.16 | ndnihil | do you know anything about the link in topic? |
| 12:14.32 | ndnihil | I'm wondering if I shouldn't pick up another phone or two as backups |
| 12:14.59 | ndnihil | but then I don't know what will be out by the time this one needs replacing |
| 12:15.33 | raster | well om suspended gta03 and let 50% of their staff go |
| 12:15.43 | raster | those staff being the software linux side |
| 12:15.49 | raster | so you figure it out :) |
| 12:16.05 | Weiss | there's been no suggestion that manufacturing of GTA02 is going to stop any time soon, the way i read it |
| 12:16.07 | raster | your gta02 wont suddenyl stop working |
| 12:16.27 | ndnihil | it will if I drop it in the toilet |
| 12:16.31 | raster | but if u were hoping to get an upgraded open phone with better cpu and what not... thats not happening now :) |
| 12:16.35 | ndnihil | or it slides off the dash of the jeep |
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| 12:16.49 | raster | then you cvan buy an existing gta02 from stocks that exist |
| 12:17.01 | raster | until its no longer stocked or sold... u can do that |
| 12:17.05 | ndnihil | yeh, guess they wont run out any time soon |
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| 12:19.58 | ndnihil | sucks though |
| 12:20.13 | ndnihil | for a short while I thought there was hope for open mobile platforms |
| 12:20.24 | ndnihil | at least without having to build it yourself |
| 12:21.03 | spaetz | well, the CAD files are out there |
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| 12:21.12 | henk | me too... :( probably 3 months too early |
| 12:21.19 | spaetz | just need to pay a firm to create more :) |
| 12:21.28 | ndnihil | oof, wonder what that would cost |
| 12:21.58 | ndnihil | and if there are drop in 3g/3.5g replacements for the gsm module |
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| 12:22.23 | raster | ndnihil: you cant just "drop in" a repolacement |
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| 12:22.41 | ndnihil | if the pinout and footprint are the same, why not? |
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| 12:23.13 | ndnihil | it's not uncommon for a manufacturer to retain those characteristics throughout a product line |
| 12:23.21 | ndnihil | cheaper for them |
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| 12:30.34 | SpeedEvil | Yes - but a 3G modem isn't a minor upgrade |
| 12:30.58 | ndnihil | I don't know the specifics of the internals |
| 12:31.11 | SpeedEvil | Think not of going from a 1 to 1.1l engine in a car, but going from 1l engine in a small car to a 5l V8 supercharged hovertank. |
| 12:31.18 | ndnihil | swap a few transistors here and there, dump a new firmware to it ;) |
| 12:31.44 | ndnihil | I've seen engine swaps like that |
| 12:32.05 | ndnihil | SBC 350 in an MGB was my favorite |
| 12:32.13 | alephnull | What is the module for the uSD-card ? The card is in the phone but I don't see the device. |
| 12:32.14 | SpeedEvil | yes - but the 5l one is unlikely to have the same mountings. |
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| 12:33.02 | ndnihil | speed: I've only had experience with premade GSM modules, telit specifically |
| 12:33.18 | ndnihil | they could built in a coffee maker and still have the same footprint and pinout on theirs |
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| 12:33.24 | ndnihil | s/built/build/g |
| 12:33.27 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 12:33.38 | SpeedEvil | also - there isn't a GSM module in GTA01/2 |
| 12:33.41 | SpeedEvil | it's integrated |
| 12:34.54 | raster | ndnihil: 2g -> 3g is like from horse+cart to racing car |
| 12:35.02 | raster | seriously 3g is a lot more |
| 12:35.10 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 12:35.20 | raster | on the hw side |
| 12:35.24 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe V75 to V56 |
| 12:35.32 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 12:35.38 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe V75 to V34BIS |
| 12:35.40 | ndnihil | well, since android can run on these phones, any reason FSO/OM/etc.. cant run on android phones? |
| 12:36.11 | spaetz | afaik it can |
| 12:36.54 | ndnihil | I wonder how many of them have wifi |
| 12:37.02 | ndnihil | not that I've even gotten it working on the FR |
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| 12:37.10 | SomeT | hi |
| 12:37.18 | ndnihil | hi |
| 12:37.36 | SomeT | as anyone in here used neopwn? |
| 12:37.39 | henk | yay.. dist-upgrade and bluetooth is going berzerk |
| 12:37.52 | SomeT | i am trying to consider whether it is worth buying or not |
| 12:38.09 | SomeT | and whether i should just install debian repos. instead and just install all the programs |
| 12:38.46 | henk | something keeps changing bluetooth resourceState and notification-daemon spams my display :-/ |
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| 12:39.53 | SomeT | ? |
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| 12:40.10 | henk | debian works fine... |
| 12:40.30 | henk | most of the time at least... see above. |
| 12:41.21 | SomeT | thanks |
| 12:45.23 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 12:45.34 | ndnihil | disappointed |
| 12:45.40 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:45.40 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:45.46 | CVirus | http://www.evo-phase1.com/ |
| 12:45.52 | SpeedEvil | unsurprised. |
| 12:45.53 | CVirus | I don't think this thing is ever going to make any sales |
| 12:46.45 | CVirus | actually it might push big companies to start writing games for linux .. who knows |
| 12:47.06 | SpeedEvil | points at ID. |
| 12:47.12 | CVirus | ID ? |
| 12:47.16 | Dave | huhu |
| 12:47.16 | CVirus | id software ? |
| 12:47.16 | Dave | iD |
| 12:47.28 | CVirus | Dave: did I grant you the permission to talk ? |
| 12:47.34 | Dave | YES |
| 12:47.39 | CVirus | lol |
| 12:47.40 | Dave | By granting us with your presence. |
| 12:47.50 | Dave | I'm like an antibody |
| 12:47.54 | CVirus | lol .. bastard |
| 12:47.57 | Dave | I react to your presence with negative commentary! |
| 12:47.57 | SpeedEvil | remembers back in the day. |
| 12:47.58 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:48.05 | SpeedEvil | When DOOM II got better FPS under linux |
| 12:48.15 | Dave | Speedevil, good shit, right? ;) |
| 12:48.17 | SpeedEvil | (for me) |
| 12:48.24 | Dave | emphasizes the old |
| 12:49.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.doomrpg.com/n.x/Doom%20RPG/Home |
| 12:49.15 | SpeedEvil | from the 'software that sounds like a joke' department. |
| 12:49.45 | Dave | . o O ( Openmoko, anyone? ) |
| 12:50.42 | toggles_w | Dave: ouch, that hurts |
| 12:50.47 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:51.19 | Dave | You know what also hurts? |
| 12:51.34 | toggles_w | ~_~ |
| 12:51.34 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:52.04 | Dave | Development for the freerunner |
| 12:52.05 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 12:52.19 | toggles_w | lol vala-- |
| 12:52.28 | Dave | open moko surgery |
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| 13:13.02 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 13:13.07 | ndnihil | that G1 doesn't look half bad |
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| 13:24.41 | Wonka | http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/14023.html - is this real? |
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| 13:26.09 | CVirus | english ? |
| 13:26.52 | morricone | Wonka, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05,_2009 "GTA03 being no more" |
| 13:26.57 | morricone | well, that's a bummer |
| 13:28.09 | CVirus | "GTA03 being no more,what we can look for in the future and the recent developments within Openmoko. " |
| 13:28.10 | CVirus | ? |
| 13:29.28 | toggles_w | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=69141 |
| 13:30.14 | Wonka | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/044915.html seems to be the part most interesting for me |
| 13:30.19 | toggles_w | crap.. does this mean it's time to buy the iphone? |
| 13:30.36 | Wonka | sounds like "GTA03 as it has been is dead, long live the new GTA03" |
| 13:30.39 | Dave | toggles ~_~ |
| 13:30.45 | Dave | Hey Wonka :) |
| 13:31.00 | CVirus | Openmoko is dying ? |
| 13:31.03 | Dave | CVirus, absolutely nothing? |
| 13:31.06 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:31.15 | CVirus | we'll see how it goes |
| 13:31.37 | toggles_w | i always thought plan b was a coat hanger.. |
| 13:32.21 | Dave | gah! |
| 13:33.50 | ndnihil | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/08/convert-your-g1-to-a-developer-version-in-a-few-short-steps/ |
| 13:33.53 | ndnihil | interesting |
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| 13:43.22 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r1ba1112b63fc 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: use new annotation for delegates without target pointer (vala 0.6.x) |
| 13:43.23 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r35e6d205d9fe 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): eflvala: add methods to send/handle commands from/to frontend/backend |
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| 13:44.59 | SpeedEvil | Big difference between jailbreaks of various forms, and ... |
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| 13:55.20 | chomchom | hello hello |
| 13:55.26 | chomchom | Has anyone any experience with synching data on a mobile phone? |
| 13:55.31 | chomchom | I'm not synching regular email or calendar style PIM data |
| 13:55.36 | chomchom | but I don't imagine it will be much different |
| 13:55.41 | chomchom | Going by intuition our approach would be to just add new entries to a separate table in the apps SQLite DB |
| 13:55.47 | chomchom | Then upon establishing a connection you would consolidate those entries to the servers DB tables with a little consolidation business logic |
| 13:55.53 | chomchom | We don't want to go too far too fast and go the whole hog with a synch server solution, I'm just looking to spike a homemade version to understand the mechanics |
| 13:56.05 | chomchom | Any advice would be appreciated. |
| 13:56.40 | chomchom | Its been suggested that we stick a 'is_synched' on each row, is this something you have done? |
| 13:59.10 | chomchom | There must be a lot of people who have made an app which synchs with some sort of data on the server |
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| 14:00.12 | bipak_ | hi |
| 14:01.05 | bipak_ | how can I bring 2008.12 to save the volume I set while phoning? |
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| 14:12.52 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r7cd7de9d8a5c 10/ (17 files in 4 dirs): examples/vapi -> examples/elementary |
| 14:18.04 | slaxxin | well its time |
| 14:18.34 | slaxxin | we need a new software company:)] |
| 14:19.00 | bipak | found the answer... |
| 14:19.24 | slaxxin | so u guys need to decide on what hardware to use an start a new iurc channel so we can migrate |
| 14:19.47 | slaxxin | ann get some better hardware built |
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| 14:22.41 | toggles_w | slaxxin: #iphone ? |
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| 14:51.00 | serdar1 | http://www.chip.de/news/OpenMoko-Aus-fuer-Linux-Handys_35990484.html |
| 14:51.09 | serdar1 | that's strange |
| 14:53.04 | henk | is it? |
| 14:53.22 | serdar1 | it says there will be no next version than neu1973 |
| 14:53.24 | serdar1 | neo |
| 14:54.54 | henk | hrhr didn't even notice that... |
| 14:55.19 | henk | ykwtm right? |
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| 14:59.18 | serdar1 | what? |
| 14:59.31 | henk | serdar1: you know what they mean |
| 14:59.46 | serdar1 | Dominik |
| 15:01.10 | Jopossum | hello, i'm trying to play audio on my neo through a connected bluetooth headset but it seems not to work |
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| 15:01.34 | Jopossum | does anybody know, how to route sound to bluetooth headsets? |
| 15:02.30 | Jopossum | i followed the steps from the wiki pages, but with no success |
| 15:03.09 | serdar1 | henk: but I had hope, that gta03 will come |
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| 15:03.49 | max_posedon | serdar1, Read todays/yesterdays maillists |
| 15:03.54 | max_posedon | gta03 is dead |
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| 15:04.13 | henk | serdar1: you weren't the only one for sure! |
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| 15:05.50 | serdar1 | are the maillists online? |
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| 15:06.24 | tig| | serdar1: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html |
| 15:07.59 | max_posedon | read "Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device" thread |
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| 15:18.34 | bipak | is there a chan for the android port? |
| 15:21.07 | panicking | freerunner-android |
| 15:21.42 | bipak | that was easy ;> |
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| 15:38.52 | rwhitby | So who is left at Openmoko other than Steve and Sean? |
| 15:39.11 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: are you still an OM employee? |
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| 16:17.57 | SomeT | i need some help |
| 16:18.02 | SomeT | i just flash hackable:1 |
| 16:18.05 | SomeT | onto my openmoko |
| 16:18.09 | SomeT | and when it booted |
| 16:18.16 | SomeT | it came up saying empty flash? |
| 16:18.46 | lindi- | SomeT: what said what? |
| 16:18.57 | SomeT | it said empty flash |
| 16:19.03 | SomeT | followed by various assembly code |
| 16:19.11 | SomeT | at the side of each message |
| 16:19.17 | SomeT | which indicated empty flash |
| 16:19.18 | SomeT | e.g. |
| 16:19.29 | SomeT | EmptyFlash 0xa11 |
| 16:19.38 | SomeT | EmptyFlash 0Xb22 |
| 16:19.42 | SomeT | ? |
| 16:19.53 | SomeT | do u reckon reflashing it again |
| 16:19.57 | SomeT | will resolve this problem? |
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| 16:20.52 | lindi- | SomeT: what boot loader? |
| 16:21.06 | lindi- | SomeT: is it the boot loader that prints it? |
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| 16:22.08 | SomeT | yes |
| 16:22.15 | SomeT | uboot 1.3.2? |
| 16:22.20 | SomeT | is that rt |
| 16:22.23 | SomeT | i mean is that it? |
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| 16:22.59 | SomeT | ??? |
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| 16:25.21 | SomeT | ???????????? |
| 16:26.00 | lindi- | SomeT: why so many question marks? |
| 16:26.13 | lindi- | SomeT: I can't find the string "EmptyFlash" from u-boot source code |
| 16:26.20 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: IIRC he said he left a while ago |
| 16:26.37 | SomeT | um |
| 16:26.41 | SomeT | i might just re flash |
| 16:26.41 | SomeT | it |
| 16:26.45 | SomeT | and try my luck, lol |
| 16:28.13 | lindi- | SomeT: how would that help? |
| 16:28.48 | SomeT | i dunno |
| 16:29.03 | SomeT | maybe something happned on my computer |
| 16:29.10 | SomeT | when i was transferring the info over |
| 16:29.19 | SomeT | ? |
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| 16:31.52 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 16:32.03 | SomeT | hi |
| 16:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: nope, I'm not. Well my attribute "OM employee" dropped from ~75% to maybe 10% validity, maybe even less |
| 16:34.07 | shellevil | Heisenburg bank. The bank that likes to say maybe. |
| 16:35.35 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: mickeyl? |
| 16:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | ope |
| 16:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | Nope |
| 16:35.55 | balrog-kun | oh? |
| 16:36.09 | balrog-kun | that sucks |
| 16:36.39 | balrog-kun | or maybe not |
| 16:36.42 | balrog-kun | perhaps it's not a great working place after all |
| 16:36.53 | shellevil | wants to start a open-source phone company that really means it. Employs good people, pays them lots, and has ambition! |
| 16:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | actually mickeyl never was afaik, or at least FSO became a business of it's own long time ago |
| 16:37.04 | shellevil | Anyone know any venture capitalists with spare cash? |
| 16:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, raster might know of some ;-) |
| 16:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | anyway he might not be willing to tellya ;D |
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| 16:37.56 | SomeT | how can you start an opensource company? |
| 16:38.02 | SomeT | if everything opensource is free? |
| 16:38.06 | shellevil | SomeT: it's not |
| 16:38.12 | shellevil | opensource!= free |
| 16:38.12 | SomeT | it mostly is |
| 16:38.23 | balrog-kun | SomeT: getting stuff implemented isn't free |
| 16:38.30 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: so no-one on IRC is an OM employee any more ... |
| 16:38.34 | shellevil | For example, an open source phone company that sells hardware, and mapping applets |
| 16:38.37 | balrog-kun | except if you're lucky (but then you may be lucky in closed source world as well) |
| 16:38.38 | shellevil | the paroli guy? |
| 16:38.50 | shellevil | or were they never employees |
| 16:38.55 | shellevil | never kept up. |
| 16:38.55 | SomeT | i am having trouble in ubuntu at the moment |
| 16:38.58 | rwhitby | is he an OM employee? I dunno. |
| 16:39.02 | SomeT | i am trying to set up usb networking |
| 16:39.15 | SomeT | and it keeps saying can not find device usb0 |
| 16:39.23 | SomeT | in the terminal |
| 16:39.29 | shellevil | on the dedsktop side? |
| 16:39.58 | mmontour | make sure you have the cdc_ether and usbnet modules loaded |
| 16:40.04 | SomeT | how? |
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| 16:40.44 | mmontour | "lsmod" to check, "modprobe ..." to load a module (and if that fails, install a package that contains it) |
| 16:40.48 | shellevil | SomeT: Also - google phone is largely opensource - if you lock down the hardware, only approved stuff can be run |
| 16:41.02 | badcloud | anyone here getting segfaults using vagalume? I'm on shr unstable |
| 16:41.24 | SomeT | mmontour: how??? |
| 16:42.01 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: we need a decent definition of "employee" to answer this question it seems |
| 16:42.28 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: that's easy - someone who can be sacked |
| 16:42.39 | mmontour | SomeT: search the web for a new-user tutorial for your distro |
| 16:44.00 | shellevil | Tax law pretty much defines employee in the UK. |
| 16:44.01 | shellevil | 'If you control what someone does every day and pay them'. |
| 16:44.01 | shellevil | Pretty much. |
| 16:44.02 | SomeT | haha |
| 16:44.06 | SomeT | so true |
| 16:44.24 | shellevil | They may not be an employee if they can pick and choose the jobs they want to work on, or how much they work. |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: by this def OM never had a single employee ;D |
| 16:44.35 | shellevil | :) |
| 16:45.01 | SomeT | so if i did the same thing at work all the time |
| 16:45.05 | SomeT | they wudnt have to pay me? |
| 16:45.14 | SomeT | yet another scam by the laws of the u.k., lol |
| 16:45.34 | shellevil | has been looking into employing people recently. |
| 16:45.50 | shellevil | Though at minimum wage, to operate my wheelbarrow and spade. |
| 16:46.04 | Dave | /topic gg om |
| 16:46.18 | SomeT | shellevil |
| 16:46.24 | badcloud | hey there Dave |
| 16:46.27 | SomeT | do u have your own company |
| 16:46.32 | SomeT | i am looking for a new job |
| 16:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | SomeT: I think there are a few ppl now looking as well ;) |
| 16:48.20 | SomeT | all my friends and family have now job |
| 16:48.26 | SomeT | in the meantime i have so much money |
| 16:48.30 | SomeT | i dont know what to do with it |
| 16:48.51 | SomeT | human interaction is irrelavant now |
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| 16:48.55 | SomeT | even in my place of work |
| 16:49.02 | SomeT | as people keep getting fired, lol |
| 16:52.40 | shellevil | SomeT: I have a fake company - well - it's never done any buisness, but it may become real for a few days to employ some minimum wage labourers only. |
| 16:52.50 | shellevil | needs _lots_ of shit done round the house. |
| 16:53.13 | SomeT | cool |
| 16:53.36 | shellevil | is not moving 20 tons of gravel on his own. |
| 16:54.33 | SomeT | is there anyway to flash freerunner |
| 16:54.35 | Dave | o_o |
| 16:54.36 | SomeT | with google android |
| 16:54.43 | Dave | contracting ftw |
| 16:54.51 | SomeT | without usb networking to increase the size of the kernal thing |
| 16:55.02 | shellevil | #freerunner-android is the channel you want |
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| 16:55.40 | Dave | #freerunner-finance -- Channel does not exist (hahaha) |
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| 16:58.14 | PBeck | hum no information about the development stop of gta03? |
| 16:58.18 | PBeck | on the mailinglist? |
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| 17:00.16 | PBeck | and that openmoko laid of 50% of the people where worked for openmoko? |
| 17:01.14 | PBeck | http://www.bernerzeitung.ch/digital/mobil/Vorlaeufig-kein-weiteres-LinuxTelefon/story/15176367 |
| 17:01.22 | PBeck | german language |
| 17:01.50 | SomeT | as openmoko gone bust then? |
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| 17:03.53 | PBeck | no they not bust they only stopped the development of gta03 for a new device (no smartphone) thats capable of the mass markt directly |
| 17:04.03 | PBeck | not as the gtax phones for developers |
| 17:04.04 | shellevil | PBeck: see topic - for an autotranslated |
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| 17:05.25 | PBeck | shellevil: that news are wrong i think |
| 17:06.17 | PBeck | shellevil: i think the mean gta03 not the freerunner |
| 17:06.21 | shellevil | wishes he was surprised at the lack of anyting on the openmoko website as news |
| 17:06.29 | shellevil | yeah - it's a bit confused. |
| 17:06.41 | shellevil | 'MASSIVE JOB LOSSES' seems a consistent theme. |
| 17:06.45 | shellevil | Which is rarely good. |
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| 17:12.18 | PBeck | shellevil: i think it sad that nobody informed the community on the ML |
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| 17:12.40 | PBeck | it's not good publicity |
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| 19:18.35 | ColdFyre | who uses android as the primary distro? |
| 19:18.42 | Wonka | bah |
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| 19:40.02 | OsteHovel^EEE | Is is posible to get a Neo Freerunner with Edge? |
| 19:40.37 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: nope |
| 19:40.45 | OsteHovel^EEE | :( |
| 19:44.47 | OsteHovel^EEE | Do the GPRS drain a lot of battery? (with display off) ... |
| 19:44.58 | OsteHovel^EEE | *Data transfer |
| 19:45.08 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: what kind of workload do you want to measure, how far away from the base station should i be? |
| 19:45.25 | OsteHovel^EEE | Just pooling e-mail... |
| 19:45.38 | OsteHovel^EEE | & a IM-client |
| 19:45.59 | OsteHovel^EEE | I currently have a HTC Touch Pro :D That i have 2 battery |
| 19:46.06 | OsteHovel^EEE | 's for... becouse it sucks battery |
| 19:46.16 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: it'll be better than that, five hours maybe |
| 19:46.33 | OsteHovel^EEE | ok :P |
| 19:46.49 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: most energy is wasted by the main cpu since it runs at 400 MHz all the time |
| 19:47.19 | OsteHovel^EEE | With High Load(Xvid movie) will the battery drain in within 3 houres? |
| 19:48.01 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: not sure if you can play xvid movie in full screen at least |
| 19:48.09 | OsteHovel^EEE | ... |
| 19:48.10 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok |
| 19:48.18 | lindi- | youtube is playable |
| 19:48.37 | lindi- | (but they have different quality videos there too so it is not good benchmark) |
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| 19:49.11 | OsteHovel^EEE | I play 350mb tv episodes on my HTC Touch Pro... using CorePlayer(CLOSED-SOURCE :'( ) and it plays OK(it skips some frames) at 640x480(screen resoultion) fine :D |
| 19:49.15 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: i keep an extra usb battery with me (was only $14) |
| 19:49.28 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: does it use any hardware for decoding? |
| 19:49.32 | OsteHovel^EEE | Nope |
| 19:49.36 | OsteHovel^EEE | Only software... |
| 19:49.43 | OsteHovel^EEE | But CorePlayer is highly optimized... |
| 19:50.12 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: do you have some tv episodes to test with? preferably some that you can legally distribute |
| 19:50.38 | OsteHovel^EEE | (hmm they are legal for me but i cant send them to you... becouse then i violate the law...) |
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| 19:51.15 | BluesLee | buhhh |
| 19:52.02 | OsteHovel^EEE | HTC Touch Pro has a 528mhz ... i do NOT recomand buying that device... it is Heavy but have a NICE keyboard...(i love that) but Windows Mobile is Sluggish... Closed-Source.... Crashing......Slow to start.... |
| 19:52.31 | OsteHovel^EEE | The only good thing about it is it uses about 2-3 secounds to shutdown... (unlike desktop windows that uses 10 minutes) |
| 19:53.25 | OsteHovel^EEE | (I will buy a Freerunner or other Openmoko phone when it get's Edge....) |
| 19:53.40 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: freerunner can do some video decoding in hardware but that support is not in any software currently (there's only a patch to mplayer) |
| 19:53.47 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok... |
| 19:53.53 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: heh, i use 3G usb dongle with mine |
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| 19:54.19 | OsteHovel^EEE | Is the hardware decoding for any codec? Xvid? |
| 19:55.08 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: mpeg i think |
| 19:55.11 | OsteHovel^EEE | My Touch Pro has HDSPA so i can get 7.2 mbit/s down but my mobile provider just gives out 3.6 mbit :P |
| 19:55.16 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok... |
| 19:55.36 | OsteHovel^EEE | The WLAN in Touch Pro SUCKS... |
| 19:55.48 | OsteHovel^EEE | It OVERHEAT the device if used too much... |
| 19:56.10 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: in freerunner it's only sometimes unstable |
| 19:56.14 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok |
| 19:56.57 | OsteHovel^EEE | What i realy want the Freerunner for it so i can create my own programs for my phone.... becouse with Windows Mobile it sucks to create applications... |
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| 20:10.48 | OsteHovel^EEE | Do you use a 3g usb modem connect to the freerunner when you want high speeds? |
| 20:17.11 | mmontour | gives openembedded one last chance to successfully build an image... |
| 20:17.39 | lindi- | OsteHovel^EEE: yep |
| 20:17.54 | OsteHovel^EEE | I SO want a Neo Freerunner :D |
| 20:23.08 | mmontour | ... and it falls on its face again. Openembedded, I'd like you to meet my old friend "rm -r". |
| 20:23.22 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: too many files. |
| 20:23.27 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: mke2fs |
| 20:24.44 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: I've got other stuff on that partition, otherwise I probably would do that |
| 20:24.44 | mwester | hammer |
| 20:25.48 | mmontour | I'll give Debian a shot next. If that doesn't work, I'll either try gentoo or else build my own distro with the OpenSuSE build framework (just for the sheer hell of it) |
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| 20:30.20 | OsteHovel^EEE | Are it posible to "suspend" the Neo so it draws less power from the battery but still rings when its incoming calls? |
| 20:31.55 | mmontour | OsteHovel^EEE: yes |
| 20:32.20 | OsteHovel^EEE | If you leave it in "sleep-mode"/suspend how much battery do you have then? |
| 20:33.51 | mmontour | About 2 days AFAIK (it's still work-in-progress and I haven't tested it myself) |
| 20:35.01 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok :P |
| 20:35.35 | OsteHovel^EEE | I can buy 2 Neo Freerunner for the price for one HTC Touch Pro |
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| 20:51.45 | Dave | rooly! |
| 20:52.31 | rooly | i am that person who you highlighted |
| 20:54.44 | ezekiel-v3 | is not that person |
| 20:57.16 | mwester | isn't either. |
| 20:59.42 | rooly | so... |
| 20:59.45 | rooly | go ahead and speak, dave |
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| 21:10.19 | mwester | rooly grows impatient, I fear... Dave! Wake up! |
| 21:11.24 | mirko-paroli | is not sure if Dave is ever going to say anything ... |
| 21:11.53 | rooly | finished growing |
| 21:12.06 | rooly | is now impatient and marches off with a huff |
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| 21:15.02 | mirko-paroli | wonders how rooly is, apart from grown up ;) |
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| 21:15.26 | rooly | doin okay |
| 21:15.37 | rooly | i gave up on certain endeavors |
| 21:15.51 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 21:15.52 | mirko-paroli | such as ? |
| 21:16.01 | mirko-paroli | didn't you say you moved from home ? |
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| 21:17.24 | rooly | no, i did that a while back |
| 21:17.43 | mirko-paroli | has lost track of time |
| 21:17.49 | OsteHovel^EEE | Do the battery drain fast if the GPRS connecting is on all the time? |
| 21:18.03 | rooly | it's practically a phone call |
| 21:18.25 | OsteHovel^EEE | Ok :P |
| 21:18.56 | mirko-paroli | rooly: so what did you give up on? |
| 21:19.09 | OsteHovel^EEE | Becouse on my HTC Touch Pro i have EDGE all day long connected.... (and it do not drain much "extra" power than not connected) |
| 21:20.08 | rooly | OsteHovel^EEE: you have to remember that phone's battery last around a day.5 at best |
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| 21:37.54 | Serdar | hmm |
| 21:38.11 | Serdar | is there really no future for openmoko? |
| 21:38.40 | Zorkman | sure there is |
| 21:38.44 | rooly | the sure is |
| 21:38.46 | rooly | *there |
| 21:38.47 | Zorkman | there even is a present and a past |
| 21:39.34 | mmontour | depends what you mean by "openmoko" (the company, the official distro, the community of FR owners, ...) |
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| 21:43.33 | ostehovel1 | Do the phone rings if i have an active data connection? |
| 21:45.44 | eolson1 | ostehovel1, with gprs? yes it rings. Your data connection will be paused until you hangup. |
| 21:46.20 | ostehovel1 | ok |
| 21:46.27 | ostehovel1 | That like my Touch Pro... |
| 21:47.35 | ostehovel1 | I love im.. so im gonna buy a Neo FreeRunner and make a Pool-ing app so i can pool my server at home to check for new im-messages.... (pool every 10-30 minutes) :D |
| 21:47.54 | Dave | hot damn |
| 21:48.02 | Dave | this makes me even want to boot up my freerunner, onen ;p |
| 21:48.18 | Dave | points the deeply-discharged pile of freerunners -------------_> |
| 21:48.22 | ostehovel1 | Becouse now i have a HTC Touch Pro with FUll Keyboard... and i have always MSN open... : |
| 21:48.32 | Dave | ostehovel, well, lucky you :p |
| 21:48.46 | ostehovel1 | And do HATE MSN's memmory leak's... |
| 21:49.10 | ostehovel1 | (the version for windows mobile) |
| 21:50.27 | ostehovel1 | Nite everybody... |
| 21:50.39 | ostehovel1 | (i got Unlimited Data Plan) :D and that is NICE! |
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| 21:50.45 | Dave | :P |
| 21:50.48 | Dave | mazzelpik :P |
| 21:51.22 | ostehovel1 | But it costs 599 NOK (about 70 EUR) a Month... |
| 21:51.32 | Dave | :o |
| 21:51.44 | Dave | hvor i norge kommer du fra? |
| 21:51.50 | ostehovel1 | Oslo :p |
| 21:51.54 | Dave | :D |
| 21:52.01 | ostehovel1 | Har du en eller? |
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| 21:53.20 | Dave | No :( |
| 22:12.28 | azaghal | What would be the name of wifi module on Freerunner? |
| 22:12.49 | ndnihil | it's called the DoesntWork-1375 |
| 22:12.55 | mwester | eth0 |
| 22:13.15 | mwester | or do you mean the kernel module itself? |
| 22:13.21 | azaghal | Kernel module |
| 22:13.26 | mwester | ar6000 |
| 22:13.43 | azaghal | mwester: It shows up as eth1 here (and the damn unconfigurable neod thinks it's eth0). |
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| 22:16.47 | Serdar | I mean the company, because I read, that openmoko is dead |
| 22:17.28 | SpeedEvil | It's just resting. |
| 22:17.48 | azaghal | I don't think OpenMoko is dead. But I do think that FIC had missed a big opportunity. |
| 22:19.50 | LittleIdiot | honestly, i haven't seen much progress in the past few months either... |
| 22:20.10 | shellevil | FIC isn't openmoko anymore as I understand it |
| 22:20.17 | LittleIdiot | i suppose it's the "community" of developers needs focus |
| 22:20.47 | mirko-paroli | Serdar: the company has shifted its main focus |
| 22:21.13 | azaghal | mirko-paroli: To what exactly, though? |
| 22:21.21 | shellevil | To not dying. |
| 22:21.26 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: hehe, "Plan B" :) |
| 22:21.38 | azaghal | mirko-paroli: World domination with the use of nano-chickens? |
| 22:21.44 | Serdar | B like in Broccoli? |
| 22:21.45 | LittleIdiot | i meant software development... it looks like everyone is baking their own cake... |
| 22:21.51 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: darn, was it that obvious? |
| 22:21.56 | azaghal | Yep |
| 22:22.15 | azaghal | LittleIdiot: I guess that the main issue is that there's still no single really usable distro :) |
| 22:22.19 | mirko-paroli | shies away and hides the beta chicken |
| 22:22.28 | Serdar | I hade a focus on android and qt-extended |
| 22:22.41 | LittleIdiot | many people try to develop & port their $favourite_full_blown_desktop distribution |
| 22:22.48 | LittleIdiot | ...instead of helping the others |
| 22:22.54 | azaghal | Heck, I've been planning on writing a keyboard/key application for ages now (lazyness prevented me) |
| 22:23.07 | shellevil | And historically OMs attitude to source hasn't helped. |
| 22:23.33 | azaghal | And I'm sorry to say this, but I think that switching to e17 wasn't such a bright idea :) |
| 22:23.46 | shellevil | It isn't sufficient to just throw out piles of source occasionally of new apps announced a few weeks/months earlier as 'will be cool' with no other info. |
| 22:23.57 | shellevil | Which is what's seemed to happen at times. |
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| 22:24.21 | azaghal | Maybe some kind of work on standards would be better. |
| 22:24.41 | azaghal | Standards in the sense of GUI. (since frameworkd is rather decent atm, probably) |
| 22:24.56 | LittleIdiot | there are standards, but they tent to change them very often |
| 22:24.58 | azaghal | I.e. define what are the basic apps that need to be written first. |
| 22:25.00 | shellevil | The fact that we |
| 22:25.20 | shellevil | ve only got suspend sort-of-working in hardware that's been out for what - 9 months? |
| 22:25.22 | azaghal | First of all - it's a phone, so you need to have applications for basic phone usage _first_. :) |
| 22:25.26 | shellevil | is _so_ broken. |
| 22:25.33 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: do you read the lists? |
| 22:25.42 | LittleIdiot | at first the gsmd, now the qt framework, ahh and then there's gsm0710muxd as well... hmm ;) |
| 22:25.47 | azaghal | mirko-paroli: As you might guess - no :) |
| 22:25.55 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: ok that explains it |
| 22:26.00 | azaghal | mirko-paroli: Anything useful there? If yes, I should join? |
| 22:26.06 | mirko-paroli | those apps were mentioned |
| 22:26.10 | mirko-paroli | and are being worked on |
| 22:26.12 | mirko-paroli | and are working |
| 22:26.18 | mirko-paroli | not as stable as I'd wish |
| 22:26.24 | mirko-paroli | but it is not as simple as I had hoped :) |
| 22:26.28 | azaghal | Ah, but that's the problem. I know they are working :) |
| 22:26.44 | azaghal | But the "not as stable" is the real issue ;) |
| 22:27.02 | mirko-paroli | hehe, but you wanted standards and to know the apps that need work first |
| 22:27.03 | azaghal | I got horny about my phone again, so it could happen I jump into the wagon. |
| 22:27.11 | mirko-paroli | all I am saying is: those are specified |
| 22:27.16 | mirko-paroli | and being worked on |
| 22:27.50 | azaghal | It's been going rather slow, though. (not that I bitch about it because I haven't contributed a single line of code yet) |
| 22:28.24 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: sure I would love our progress to be instant, however that might be difficult to achieve |
| 22:28.46 | mirko-paroli | and just for the record, I am not denying certain lack of speed |
| 22:28.55 | azaghal | Hm... How can I force kernel to use name 'eth0' and not 'eth1' for wifi? |
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| 22:31.55 | azaghal | mirko-paroli: I actually do think that it's a pitty FIC hasn't put more resources into the whole thing earlier, though. They had a great window of opportunity :) |
| 22:32.43 | mirko-paroli | azaghal: I completely share that view |
| 22:33.08 | mirko-paroli | and certainly hope there will be a free and reliable phone at some point soon |
| 22:33.09 | azaghal | After an initial dissappointment, now that I look at the device again, it's really not that bad at all. |
| 22:33.23 | azaghal | It has a better screen than N810, for example. |
| 22:33.35 | shellevil | The _device_ - even GTA01 was _quite_ fine for a phone |
| 22:33.40 | mmontour | azaghal: poke around in /etc/udev/rules.d, look for a rule associating eth0/eth1 with a mac address or something |
| 22:34.06 | shellevil | Could play QVGA preencoded video fullscreen no-probem forex. |
| 22:34.10 | shellevil | but .. |
| 22:36.49 | azaghal | Although, the _good_ thing is that it's Free Software, so basically we can keep going :) |
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| 22:38.42 | azaghal | mmontour: Thanks, I think I've found it in 70-persistent-net.rules :) |
| 22:38.54 | azaghal | Now I can make a note on Hackable:1 trac ;) |
| 22:40.06 | azaghal | Oh, and the idea of that big pen as a stylus - very bad idea :) When I switched to using N770's stylus I felt like reborn ;) |
| 22:40.21 | azaghal | (only then did I realise how good/sensitive the touchscreen was) |
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| 22:41.01 | azaghal | mmontour: It worked :) Thanks once again ;) |
| 22:41.10 | mmontour | np |
| 22:45.02 | azaghal | Do you people think it'd be an overkill to enable Composite extension and start xcompmgr just in order to have a transparent keyboard-window? |
| 22:46.28 | FirefighterBlu3 | yay. claws mail works now =] |
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| 23:31.16 | arfmarf | Nexuiz 2.5 Is out! :D Get it now! http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/ http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4821677 |
| 23:36.01 | azaghal | Wha'? It got ported to Neo as well? ;) |
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| 23:44.50 | Zorkman | hee |
| 23:45.04 | arfmarf | lol :) |
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| 23:55.12 | ndnihil | so say I wanted to intercept SMS before passing it off to userland apps, would I be modifying ophonekitd, or frameworkd? |
| 23:56.07 | ndnihil | I want to use sms to facilitate a push type mechanism for email (like the brokeberry) |
| 23:56.28 | ndnihil | I figure since the modem is still active while the mail cpu is sleeping, that would be the way to do it |
| 23:56.34 | ndnihil | s/mail/main/g |
| 23:56.39 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 23:56.42 | Dave | :O |
| 23:56.47 | Dave | apt kill ndnihil |
| 23:56.55 | Dave | sics apt on ndnihil |
| 23:56.58 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 23:58.35 | ndnihil | I'm thinking about a mail checking script/app on a server somewhere that monitors your inbox, and sends a public key token byw ay of sms that will wake the device up and tell it to check mail |
| 23:58.58 | ndnihil | s/byw ay/by way/stabapt |