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| 01:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: sorry, I forgot: the final fix was to use an emailaddr that's not spamfiltering my verification mail ;-) |
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| 01:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: and I had to do verification *inside* site (means after I logged in), though there was another verification form *outside* (after logoff) that said "you're already verified" and didn't work beyond that |
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| 01:26.48 | ndnihil | woot |
| 01:26.53 | ndnihil | just finished making a stand for the FR |
| 01:27.08 | ndnihil | using three of my favorite materials, titanium, carbon fiber, and wood |
| 01:29.17 | BillK | ndnihil: picture? |
| 01:29.25 | ndnihil | havent taken any |
| 01:29.28 | ndnihil | but can if you like |
| 01:29.31 | ndnihil | its nothing fancy |
| 01:30.40 | BillK | ndnihil: my mental picture is a metal ashtray with some ashes and the melted plastic top of an FR sticking up :) |
| 01:31.14 | ndnihil | ok its more fancy than that |
| 01:38.35 | fredrin | hmmm, "opkg upgrade" upgrades the kernel aswell now+ |
| 01:38.37 | fredrin | ? |
| 01:39.20 | ndnihil | uploading pics |
| 01:39.36 | mwester | likes BillK's imagery; modern art -- a melted freerunner fused to an ashtray -- a tribute to the _real_ state of the Om's freerunner. |
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| 01:41.05 | ndnihil | http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/frstand/frstand00.jpg |
| 01:41.10 | ndnihil | http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/frstand/frstand01.jpg |
| 01:42.21 | ndnihil | that's plasti-dip on the end of the CF legs |
| 01:44.33 | APz | that's neat. I personally use an external keyboard as a stand |
| 01:45.05 | ndnihil | thanks |
| 01:45.24 | ndnihil | it's just scrap cigar box wood, titanium bicycle spoke, and CF tubing left over from a helicopter project |
| 01:45.40 | ndnihil | perhaps an airplane project |
| 01:45.44 | ndnihil | it was in the scrap box |
| 01:46.08 | APz | http://apz.fi/tmp/neo-keyboard.jpg - that's mine, although it's normally on its side when I use the keyboard |
| 01:46.25 | ndnihil | nifty, where'd you get that? |
| 01:46.37 | ndnihil | I've been eyeballing that bluetooth laser projection keyboard |
| 01:46.49 | APz | it's a standard foldable nokia keyboard |
| 01:46.53 | ndnihil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ |
| 01:46.54 | APz | it's one of the best around, IMO |
| 01:46.55 | ndnihil | that thing |
| 01:47.22 | APz | I tried that one; it's hard to use as you have to look at the 'keys' while you type |
| 01:47.37 | ndnihil | havent seen one in person yet |
| 01:47.47 | ndnihil | I figure it can't be any worse than the on-screen keyboard |
| 01:47.54 | ndnihil | I look at that one too |
| 01:49.02 | APz | over 95% of the time I use my neo, it's because I either use IRC or ssh somewhere, so I prefer large, almost laptop-sized keyboard |
| 01:49.19 | APz | when you fold it, it's about the same size as a cigarette box |
| 01:49.32 | ndnihil | hrm, might have to pick one of those up |
| 01:49.49 | ndnihil | do they come in black? |
| 01:49.59 | APz | silver/white is the only color |
| 01:50.14 | ndnihil | bastards |
| 01:50.21 | APz | agreed. |
| 01:54.14 | BillK | ndnihil: ingenuity plus! |
| 01:54.45 | BillK | ndnihil: I have a holder on the bile (at home so can take pic) where I used a router |
| 01:55.07 | BillK | to dig the right shaped hole in a piece of thick chipboard |
| 01:55.43 | BillK | used plastic ties to ensure it stays put going over bumps etc, and to attach to handlebars |
| 01:55.59 | BillK | was going to do something similar for the desktop |
| 01:56.08 | BillK | this might push me into doing it :) |
| 01:56.11 | ndnihil | thinking about a car mount now |
| 01:56.37 | ndnihil | maybe stick some magnets in the back cover of the case and give it a metal tab to stick onto |
| 01:56.51 | BillK | plastic non-slip matt on dashboard in speedo nacelle - FR on its side hides only |
| 01:57.03 | APz | anyone of you have any ingenious neck straps for neo? |
| 01:57.08 | ndnihil | no room in my dash |
| 01:57.10 | BillK | 20km or so marks. tangogps works well |
| 01:57.19 | BillK | no holder needed! |
| 01:57.56 | BillK | ndnihil: bad luck, means you have to actually work on it :) |
| 01:58.19 | ndnihil | I do have a little device that tricks the factory bose stereo into thinking a small computer is a cd changer |
| 01:58.30 | ndnihil | that's getting set up now |
| 01:58.32 | ndnihil | :) |
| 01:59.33 | ndnihil | it'll happen on the FR a lot faster than getting one of the microatx machines installed will |
| 02:00.05 | ndnihil | been sitting in a box for nearly a year |
| 02:02.31 | ndnihil | http://car2pc.com/compatibility_full.html#audi |
| 02:02.34 | ndnihil | teh car2pc-vag |
| 02:02.39 | ndnihil | s/teh/the/g |
| 02:02.44 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 02:09.18 | slaxxin | i hope opkg didnt just bork my latest shr |
| 02:09.52 | slaxxin | MANY kernel modules |
| 02:10.30 | slaxxin | oooo nooooos its CONIFER |
| 02:11.23 | slaxxin | it seems to be upgrading all the modules |
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| 02:12.29 | slaxxin | lots of .1 on the upgrade file names "( |
| 02:12.49 | slaxxin | this has to be bad |
| 02:16.10 | ndnihil | what did you do? |
| 02:18.16 | ndnihil | more importantly, did whatever you did make your gps work? |
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| 02:26.05 | slaxxin | my gps worked before |
| 02:26.20 | slaxxin | y first fix 3 minuits |
| 02:26.47 | slaxxin | rebooting |
| 02:27.27 | ndnihil | hrm, mine worked at one point |
| 02:27.33 | ndnihil | even using the same SHR images |
| 02:27.47 | ndnihil | but it wont fix at all |
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| 03:10.17 | slaxxin | flashing again |
| 03:10.42 | slaxxin | cause daves wont give me the answers:) |
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| 03:13.57 | slaxxin | all the color coded icons work well i guess |
| 03:14.19 | slaxxin | iphone clone icons |
| 03:15.01 | slaxxin | i like the formed icons better if they were 30% larger |
| 03:16.45 | slaxxin | they work better for having a desktop background image of some sort |
| 03:17.13 | slaxxin | so u see more of the background |
| 03:20.05 | slaxxin | so wheres the openmoko files at? |
| 03:21.05 | slaxxin | i found the iphone files |
| 03:21.15 | slaxxin | for the freerunner |
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| 03:48.53 | Chocky | moo |
| 03:49.09 | Chocky | takes a look at Emdebian for the FR |
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| 03:53.26 | chewed-on | Guys, help. |
| 03:53.41 | chewed-on | Is there a way to install OpenMoko on a Samsung Omnia i900 ? |
| 03:54.13 | Psi | heh, i had the shr alarm set with repeater on and changed the date/time (cos it was 12h behind) |
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| 03:54.45 | Psi | it came up with a few alarm events and now seems to have locked up |
| 03:54.57 | chewed-on | Anybody manage to get OpenMoko onto a Samsung Omnia i900 ? |
| 03:55.15 | Chocky | chewed-on: go on, ask a 3rd time :p |
| 03:55.50 | chewed-on | Chocky: :) |
| 03:56.48 | chewed-on | Chocky: my bro got a Samsung, but somehow the Windows Mobile "beta trial ended" WTF!? |
| 03:56.48 | Chocky | ohnoesomg!!11! |
| 03:58.20 | chewed-on | Chocky: the phone doesn't even get detected when we ran the PC software. |
| 03:58.20 | chewed-on | So basically the phone is an empty shell. . . |
| 03:58.34 | chewed-on | Trying to get OpenMoko so he can use the mobile. |
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| 03:59.51 | taz0 | under what /dev/ is the built in memory card? |
| 04:00.05 | Psi | /dev/mmcblk0p |
| 04:00.07 | Psi | or something like that |
| 04:00.12 | Chocky | er. |
| 04:00.17 | Psi | oh, do you mean the nand? |
| 04:00.22 | Psi | or the card? |
| 04:00.30 | Chocky | there's no "built in memory card". The SD card is mmblk*, the nand is otherwise |
| 04:00.53 | Psi | i think he might be asking about the nand |
| 04:01.11 | Chocky | slaps guesses |
| 04:01.23 | cjb | the nand is "mtd0"; it doesn't need a file device. you can "mount -t jffs2 mtd0 /mnt", for example. |
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| 04:02.00 | cjb | (some people have the impression that every device in Linux is backed by a file, but this isn't true.) |
| 04:02.03 | Psi | cjb: so the bad block managment happens behind mtd0 ? |
| 04:02.27 | Chocky | they're backed by udev :p |
| 04:02.33 | cjb | jffs2 has a bad block table |
| 04:02.47 | Psi | oh, its a special fs for flash? |
| 04:02.50 | Psi | didnt know that |
| 04:02.59 | cjb | yes, "journaling flash file system". |
| 04:03.06 | Psi | ah, hehe |
| 04:03.36 | Chocky | frowns at cdebootstrap |
| 04:04.25 | Psi | and the reason we dont use jffs2 for the uSD card is because the uSD actually does have its own built in bad block managment inside the card? |
| 04:04.48 | cjb | yup |
| 04:04.54 | cjb | the jffs2 works on "bare flash" |
| 04:05.03 | Psi | yeah |
| 04:05.11 | cjb | SD instead has a controller that handles bad block management, wear leveling |
| 04:05.19 | cjb | that's the difference |
| 04:05.24 | Psi | yeah |
| 04:05.27 | Psi | i get it now |
| 04:05.36 | Chocky | yeah, we're all experts now |
| 04:05.42 | Psi | heh |
| 04:05.52 | taz0 | hm |
| 04:05.56 | taz0 | i mean the memory i flash to |
| 04:06.06 | taz0 | i would like to use it as a swap partition |
| 04:06.11 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 04:06.17 | Psi | that doesnt sound like a good idea |
| 04:06.38 | taz0 | writing to the SD is slow while im using it |
| 04:06.38 | cjb | better idea to swap to a uSD card that you don't like very much |
| 04:06.52 | Psi | heh |
| 04:06.52 | taz0 | why? |
| 04:07.09 | taz0 | you mean the photon chamers will breakdown in the built in SD card? |
| 04:07.15 | cjb | flash memory, in all cases, has a limited number of erase cycles before it dies |
| 04:07.32 | taz0 | its alot higher then mechanical harddrives |
| 04:07.33 | cjb | jffs2 ameliorates this with wear leveling, as does an SD controller |
| 04:07.45 | Chocky | taz0: it's, a lot, than |
| 04:07.47 | cjb | taz0: that is not true. |
| 04:08.03 | cjb | so, if you use jffs2 you have wear leveling, if you use an SD card you have wear leveling |
| 04:08.09 | cjb | you're proposing swapping on the bare flash |
| 04:08.12 | cjb | which does not |
| 04:08.30 | taz0 | explain to me this leveling |
| 04:08.33 | taz0 | what is it doing |
| 04:08.41 | Chocky | to the wikipediamobile! |
| 04:08.47 | taz0 | hehe |
| 04:09.00 | cjb | taz0: it is avoiding always writing to the same flash block |
| 04:09.18 | cjb | but yeah, it would make more sense to go read up on Wear Leveling separately |
| 04:09.50 | taz0 | so whats the use of memory im not using |
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| 04:09.59 | Chocky | it's not memory, it's storage. |
| 04:10.24 | cjb | taz0: the use is that you might want to boot from it someday, and if you swap to it, that will become impossible eventually. |
| 04:10.57 | Psi | bascially, it keeps a record of how much each area of the flash has been written to and moves data around to try keep all areas at equal wear |
| 04:11.24 | Psi | so the flash areas will all wear out at once, or as near to that as it can get |
| 04:11.27 | Chocky | it may not even work to start with. Chances are, it already has some bad blocks in it |
| 04:11.44 | taz0 | Psi: but you would just exlude the chamers your not using |
| 04:11.51 | Chocky | you're |
| 04:11.54 | Psi | yeah, it probably has spares too |
| 04:11.55 | taz0 | like with blocks ? |
| 04:12.14 | Psi | im no expert on it |
| 04:12.26 | taz0 | and i read it takes alot of time before it breaks, im pretty sure the display will stopp working in a couple of years |
| 04:12.36 | taz0 | before the memory anyway, but i see your point though |
| 04:12.42 | cjb | taz0: it takes a long time *if you use wear leveling*. |
| 04:12.46 | Chocky | taz0: clue - there is no such word as "alot" |
| 04:12.56 | taz0 | a lot |
| 04:13.01 | Chocky | :o |
| 04:13.10 | cjb | with the mix of no wear leveling and a small (64MB) flash with relatively few blocks, I think you'll wear it out fairly quickly |
| 04:13.18 | Psi | how fast is the uSD card? just a guess will do |
| 04:13.30 | cjb | 5MB/sec |
| 04:13.43 | mwester | Mine has been known to go approx 500 MPH. |
| 04:14.00 | Chocky | one foot / nanosecond |
| 04:14.00 | Psi | ok, with a 512MB card, you can write the whole thing in 102 seconds |
| 04:14.09 | Psi | flash has what? a lifetime of 100,000 writes? |
| 04:14.17 | taz0 | the thing is that ive tried shr now, and FDOM as well, they are good, but dont allow for very basic stuff that iwould need, (debian does allow for this) |
| 04:14.19 | cjb | Psi: 100,000 erases, per block |
| 04:14.27 | cjb | Psi: but the 100,000 number is a marketing number |
| 04:15.00 | mwester | And quite wrong; nobody ever gets "typcial", and the minimum is just that. |
| 04:15.25 | mwester | Reality is that the device could fail far sooner, and the very next one off the line might last 100 times longer. |
| 04:15.26 | Psi | ok, so 100,000 * 102 seconds = 118 days of continous writing |
| 04:15.32 | cjb | (you have to erase a block that has been fully-written to before you can write to it again) |
| 04:15.51 | mwester | cjb's point is what makes it the problem. |
| 04:15.52 | raster | swap on sd on a gta02 will totally suck |
| 04:16.08 | taz0 | yes it does |
| 04:16.30 | raster | actually swap on nand - irrsepcectiv of wear levelling.. will suck |
| 04:16.32 | taz0 | gta03 i hope has alot more ram |
| 04:16.42 | mwester | An erase block in flash is much, much larger than a block in Linux, so the flash block will often get erased many more times than you would think -- hence wear-levelling is mandatory. |
| 04:16.45 | cjb | Psi: the relevant quantity is how many blocks there are |
| 04:16.48 | Psi | i hope gta03 has a cover over the touchscreen |
| 04:16.51 | raster | taz0: i doubt it |
| 04:16.55 | raster | 128m is pretty standard |
| 04:17.00 | Psi | i dont like having the gta01 in my pocket with nothing covering the lcd |
| 04:17.00 | raster | why on earth do u need more? |
| 04:17.02 | taz0 | Psi: yea that too |
| 04:17.09 | raster | (other than if u have really crap software) |
| 04:17.13 | taz0 | Psi: i agree |
| 04:17.28 | taz0 | raster: cos i have alot of software i like to use at the same time |
| 04:17.34 | taz0 | and have a lot of stuff running at the same time |
| 04:17.37 | taz0 | and ram is really cheap |
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| 04:17.54 | taz0 | and i dont concider the openmoko a phone i concider it a pda |
| 04:18.09 | Psi | do we know, or have any idea of the cpu speed of gta03 yet? |
| 04:18.22 | raster | taz0: even pda's dont ship with > 128m (generally) |
| 04:18.29 | raster | just stop running things u dont need |
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| 04:18.39 | taz0 | raster: is it possible to upgrade the ram? |
| 04:18.49 | raster | Psi: we have no idea even when gta03 comes - letalone even if it comes. |
| 04:18.52 | mwester | ;-) The clock speed of any unreleased product is zero from a practical point of view, and infinite from a marketing point of view. |
| 04:19.00 | raster | taz0: basically.. no |
| 04:19.03 | Psi | it would be nice to have enough ram to make a decent sized ramdisk for temp/logs etc. |
| 04:19.07 | taz0 | raster: :/\ |
| 04:19.24 | raster | taz0: buy a laptop if you want that |
| 04:19.27 | taz0 | yea i would like logs too |
| 04:19.30 | raster | and yes- it will be bigger |
| 04:19.42 | mwester | Nokia N810 is highly recommended. |
| 04:20.18 | Psi | i thought a while back i read some tests of early gta03 hw at full clock speed, 500MHz or something |
| 04:20.22 | Psi | maybe i dreamed it :P |
| 04:21.14 | taz0 | raster: well i respect your opinion and your reasoning, we all have different uses and needs, i might have chosen the wrong product for what i need. or perhpas one day this product will be what i need. idn |
| 04:21.50 | raster | i think you just chose wrong |
| 04:21.51 | raster | :) |
| 04:22.04 | Psi | the good thing about uSD is its cheap :) if you wear out a card you can get a new one for a few $ |
| 04:22.04 | raster | you make compromises to go small and cheap |
| 04:22.12 | raster | those are expandability and features |
| 04:23.00 | taz0 | this is basically the only phone on the market that allows me to have root on my phone and compile C on it. so i think i came as close as i could concidering what the mobile market looks like. |
| 04:23.07 | Psi | i think if i was designing gta03 id give it a nice DMA driven CF slot, mm.. 16GB @ 30MB/s :) hehe |
| 04:23.26 | Psi | but thats just me |
| 04:23.27 | raster | taz0: what you want just doesnt exist. |
| 04:23.32 | taz0 | but thank you raster you just made me realize i should remove OM2008.12 off my phone and install debian |
| 04:23.38 | taz0 | raster: your right |
| 04:23.45 | raster | gta02 will do some |
| 04:23.52 | raster | but makes compromises on others |
| 04:23.54 | taz0 | yea, for the time being |
| 04:24.22 | raster | even the htc g1 only has 192m |
| 04:24.31 | taz0 | OM is better then the zaurus i had |
| 04:24.47 | taz0 | htc are too locked up :/ but they have nice hardware |
| 04:24.52 | raster | in the ned these devices have tiny screens |
| 04:25.02 | raster | it is expected u generally run 1 or 2 things at once |
| 04:25.07 | raster | and apps save their state and shut down |
| 04:25.12 | raster | and load it again on startup |
| 04:25.30 | taz0 | true |
| 04:25.37 | Chocky | tries debootstraping emdebian again - this time from Debian |
| 04:25.42 | raster | gta02 was built on hw that was 3-4 years old by the time it came out |
| 04:25.46 | raster | so dont expect a lot |
| 04:25.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:26.17 | taz0 | your right, i might be sounding whiny its not my intention |
| 04:26.21 | taz0 | :) |
| 04:27.11 | taz0 | ive been using linux for many years, i remember when basic functionality was missing etc. then came th desktop and the forums got filled with ppl expecting linux to be a fully working desktop machine |
| 04:27.21 | taz0 | i guess in a way this is kinda the same thing. |
| 04:27.52 | taz0 | there is no other mobile device with a community this great though. |
| 04:28.02 | raster | sure |
| 04:28.05 | raster | that is the good bit |
| 04:28.19 | raster | but its the tope end device |
| 04:28.22 | taz0 | and no cracking needed |
| 04:28.25 | raster | if it were it'd be more expensive too |
| 04:28.30 | raster | think more $1000-$1200 |
| 04:28.44 | taz0 | yea |
| 04:28.47 | raster | if it were made from state of rthe art cpu, lots of ram, 3g, blah blah blah |
| 04:28.48 | raster | etc. |
| 04:30.04 | taz0 | most of all i would just like a simple dist with a terminal and a good keyboard, i think im gonna try to install that |
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| 04:31.10 | taz0 | raster: i run like 5 screens with mutt+snownews+mc+links+cmus |
| 04:31.19 | taz0 | thats basically all i wanted to run |
| 04:31.26 | taz0 | and then be able to attached it from a terminal |
| 04:31.32 | taz0 | over wifi |
| 04:32.28 | taz0 | i should perhaps just code my own apps and make them more lightweight |
| 04:33.04 | taz0 | anyway thanks |
| 04:34.11 | slaxxin | an please open source it so others will develope it also |
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| 04:37.51 | taz0 | could it be journaling that slows things down? |
| 04:37.58 | taz0 | slaxxin: ^^ i will |
| 04:38.18 | taz0 | slaxxin: i tend to opensource everything i make except the things i forget. |
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| 05:09.58 | ndnihil | hey BillK |
| 05:10.09 | ndnihil | I modified the stand |
| 05:10.24 | ndnihil | cut the wire shorter so it doesnt stick up above the FR |
| 05:10.28 | ndnihil | and added LRF support |
| 05:11.34 | BillK | ndnihil: LRF ?? |
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| 05:17.59 | ndnihil | Little Rubber Feet ;) |
| 05:22.21 | BillK | ahhh |
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| 06:27.24 | Dave | :p |
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| 07:01.59 | ndnihil | shr-project repositories down? |
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| 07:17.31 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:33.25 | methril|work | morning |
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| 08:10.50 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: found the components on my work desk |
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| 08:16.56 | munga | hi all, I've installed the last shr unstable. enlightment asks me at the beginning a number of application to put in the quick lunch panel, but at the end I've all grouped together in the illume lancher. |
| 08:17.19 | henk | i want a quick lunch panel too! |
| 08:17.20 | munga | is there a way to have a simple 4 buttons panel with contact, dialer, messages setting ? |
| 08:17.48 | munga | so, the installation question had actually no effect ... |
| 08:19.33 | munga | Is there something like the zhone luncher but built on top of enlightment/shr stack ? |
| 08:21.58 | dns53 | you could install zhone if you want |
| 08:23.54 | munga | dns53: yes, but I just would like to have a luncher zhone style, not the entire application... |
| 08:23.58 | munga | like this one : |
| 08:24.00 | munga | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auxlaunch |
| 08:24.27 | munga | I was just wondering if there is a similar application already installed on the shr image that I've missed |
| 08:24.58 | dns53 | not that i can see |
| 08:25.25 | munga | I see ... thnx :) |
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| 09:28.42 | ndnihil | hrm, is anyone else using SHR and missing /dev/dsp? |
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| 09:35.52 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: oss sucks, use native ALSA |
| 09:36.00 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: or aoss userspace wrapper. |
| 09:36.18 | max_posedon | or alsa-oss module |
| 09:36.39 | PaulFertser | aoss is more flexible, imho |
| 09:36.46 | ndnihil | was just trying to get sound working |
| 09:37.00 | PaulFertser | works without kernel modifications, plays nice with dmix etc. |
| 09:37.00 | ndnihil | aplay does nothing but make static |
| 09:37.11 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: that is another problem. |
| 09:37.25 | ndnihil | and the moocow thing doesnt moo |
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| 09:43.39 | ndnihil | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 09:43.42 | ndnihil | oops? |
| 09:44.25 | methril|work | ndnihil: have you're snd modules loaded? |
| 09:44.38 | ndnihil | yup |
| 09:44.50 | ndnihil | ringing on call sounds right |
| 09:44.54 | ndnihil | and sms, etc.. |
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| 09:46.18 | ndnihil | woot |
| 09:46.59 | ndnihil | an edit to /usr/bin/aoss and linking libaoss.so.0.0.0 to libaoss.so worked |
| 09:47.02 | ndnihil | for mplayer |
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| 09:48.02 | max_posedon | doesn't player work just with simple |
| 09:48.04 | max_posedon | -ao alsa? |
| 09:48.08 | ndnihil | and the moocow thing |
| 09:48.16 | ndnihil | though its jumpy for the cow |
| 09:49.12 | ndnihil | it did, but it's just not mplayer I'm trying to get working, just sound stuff in general |
| 09:49.22 | ndnihil | mokoko does nothing useful it seems |
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| 09:50.59 | ndnihil | got gps working though, so I'm happy about that |
| 09:51.46 | ndnihil | wifi is still not playing entirely nice |
| 09:53.09 | ndnihil | and yes, -ao alsa works for mplayer |
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| 10:24.46 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rbcc9257634bc 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/celldb.py server.py): ogsmd: add support for cell location |
| 10:24.47 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb6cf00aa9970 10/etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/ (cell.db la.db): add cell database |
| 10:24.48 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r567f3454e19f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add make_cell_db.py and rebuild cell db |
| 10:26.00 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rb886b8cc6c98 10/src/zhone: add support for cell location |
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| 10:44.32 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07libeflvala * r4a47604ac682 10/examples/library/mainloops/ (Makefile.am mainloops.vala): Add missing mainloops example |
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| 11:02.09 | sledgeas | hello |
| 11:02.21 | sledgeas | is there a terminal in android, and how could i launch it? |
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| 11:12.21 | freerunnerlive | in cupcake ? |
| 11:13.24 | freerunnerlive | sledgeas:in cupcake ? |
| 11:14.05 | sledgeas | freerunnerlive: no, in the release 1.0 |
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| 11:15.37 | MadTBone | A fresh flash of SHR gives no sound...anyone have sound in new SHR? |
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| 11:33.53 | freerunnerlive | sledgeas: i use the panicking v14.6 image it is the normal image with fixes from panicking |
| 11:34.41 | freerunnerlive | i think cupcake need more time before it is usable |
| 11:34.47 | sledgeas | I have been using http://www.koolu.org/releases/beta4/ |
| 11:37.44 | freerunnerlive | http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ |
| 11:37.55 | freerunnerlive | v14.6 and uimage v13 |
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| 12:00.14 | sledgeas | thanks freerunnerlive |
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| 12:07.55 | IvdSangen | hmm, updated my SHR unstable image, applications disappeared and the ethernet over USB does not come up, think I need to reflash |
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| 12:14.45 | Shlee | freerunnerlive: Are those android images useable as a phone? |
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| 12:16.22 | Shlee | because, the koolu cupcake doesn't have a keyboard on WEP key |
| 12:17.25 | max_posedon | Shlee, as I know, thereis workaround, with installing some app, that allows copy-paste on android |
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| 12:27.05 | jonkristian | I was told to use images from panicking and u-boot for a functional phone |
| 12:27.18 | jonkristian | http://serdar-dere.net/panicking/ |
| 12:27.28 | jonkristian | not sure If to use cupcake or the other one |
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| 12:37.19 | Shlee | Is there a android git? |
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| 12:37.45 | Shlee | or does koolu/panicking/michael handle seperate sources |
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| 12:49.28 | agg1n | hey, how can i get usb0 to work on latest shr-unstable? :/ |
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| 12:51.07 | jonkristian | So i flashed the latest u-boot, and now it hangs on the openmoko logo |
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| 13:01.44 | valos[fr] | agg1n: run command 'depmod -a' and reboot |
| 13:01.47 | Dave | jonkristian! |
| 13:02.06 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 13:02.12 | jonkristian | Long time |
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| 13:10.30 | Dave | ja :] |
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| 13:11.53 | agg1n | valos[fr]: "FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3/ writing: no such file or directory" |
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| 13:18.46 | valos[fr] | agg1n: /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3/ is missing!! I don know how it's possible |
| 13:19.23 | valos[fr] | agg1n: you can try to (re)install modules? opkg install kernel-modules |
| 13:19.59 | agg1n | valos[fr]: how, without internet? :/ |
| 13:20.04 | max_posedon | agg1n, plz reflash kernel |
| 13:20.32 | max_posedon | shr use 2.6.28 kernel as I know |
| 13:20.36 | agg1n | max_posedon: k, will do.. |
| 13:20.46 | max_posedon | and you tring use 2.6.29-rc3 which is not correct |
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| 13:23.47 | jonkristian | Is there a wiki entry on how to make uboot boot over 2mb kernel? |
| 13:23.53 | agg1n | yes, i flashed uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin -.- |
| 13:25.12 | max_posedon | agg1n, as for me, I don't like names "latest" and flash always full-named-images |
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| 13:25.27 | max_posedon | at least from name I can check is version correct or not |
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| 13:26.34 | agg1n | i thought that kernel was the latest kernel for shr, because i got it from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02 |
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| 13:27.19 | max_posedon | agg1n, could you do opkg list_installed | grep kernel |
| 13:28.35 | max_posedon | you will see for which image rootfs is prepared |
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| 13:30.46 | agg1n | only 2.6.28 |
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| 13:31.50 | max_posedon | could you say few numbers after |
| 13:32.26 | max_posedon | uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr? |
| 13:32.29 | agg1n | 2.6.28-oe1+gitr34....26-r3 |
| 13:33.00 | max_posedon | oh... shr team deleted correct kernel from there |
| 13:33.26 | max_posedon | so, I can suggest only flash openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090401-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:33.37 | max_posedon | and uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119777+60c66130a4467ca2a2994a6e3d7d5ac63839eefb-r3.1-om-gta02.bin |
| 13:33.40 | agg1n | ok |
| 13:38.35 | jonkristian | ugh |
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| 14:34.35 | jonkristian | Unrecognized hardware revision 0x305. Defaulting to GTA02v6. |
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| 14:47.54 | leachim_dot_eu | has somebody a working gprs connection on shr unstable? |
| 14:49.11 | max_posedon | leachim_dot_eu, don't you forget load ppp_modules |
| 14:49.48 | leachim_dot_eu | max_posedon: ? |
| 14:50.30 | max_posedon | modprobe ppp_generic must be done before trying connect to gprs |
| 14:50.47 | leachim_dot_eu | ok |
| 14:51.13 | max_posedon | (and now you must reboot your phone) |
| 14:52.48 | leachim_dot_eu | ok and the it should work? |
| 14:52.55 | max_posedon | yes |
| 14:53.43 | max_posedon | leachim_dot_eu, http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks |
| 14:54.37 | leachim_dot_eu | ok thx |
| 14:55.02 | leachim_dot_eu | i had test the connection over shr-settings but it dosent work |
| 14:56.01 | max_posedon | I tested it with shr-unstable-20090325 |
| 14:56.11 | max_posedon | with this tweak, all worked for me |
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| 14:57.16 | leachim_dot_eu | ok |
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| 15:01.31 | sylar_ | hi anyone knows if is there any zhone repo? |
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| 15:17.42 | badcloud | hey there |
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| 15:29.42 | Rakshasa | Hi. Does anyone know what do I have to do to get illume power settings working again if they don't work? |
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| 15:53.43 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: at least in my test call the buzzfix works too :-) |
| 15:55.25 | Rakshasa | No one knows how i can regain control of suspend delay? Guess its reflash time then. |
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| 16:07.11 | lindi- | Rakshasa: what suspends your system? |
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| 16:10.29 | alephnull | Why would the battery not charge fully ? It's at 34% (shr-testing). |
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| 16:11.01 | Rakshasa | lindi-: I pushed power button twice or thrice during a suspend and the phone hung. Now after a few boots, the phone still suspends after ~60 seconds regardless of the illume power setting. |
| 16:11.18 | lindi- | Rakshasa: it's not the phone that does it, it's the software you use :) |
| 16:11.40 | Rakshasa | Well. MAKE IT STOP!!! |
| 16:11.41 | Rakshasa | =P |
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| 16:12.13 | lindi- | Rakshasa: what software do you use to suspend it? |
| 16:13.09 | Rakshasa | Eh... Isn't it frameworkd that handles the suspending? On latest om-unstable. |
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| 16:15.22 | lindi- | Rakshasa: you can configure it in many ways |
| 16:16.22 | Rakshasa | I just wish illume settings->power started working again. |
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| 16:22.20 | Rakshasa | The hang must have locked some setting somwhere. But what and where? |
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| 16:50.12 | slaxxin | any problems with shr unstable? |
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| 17:12.30 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:14.50 | FreedomSound | slaxxin: yes. just installed with images of 02&01 April day = No usb0 & wiifi.module of shr-settings won't be able to launch |
| 17:15.27 | FreedomSound | Now, it's very easy to take the hand on |
| 17:15.33 | FreedomSound | Now, it's very easy to take the hands on |
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| 17:18.09 | jonkristian | Anyone have any experience with thomson speedtouch routers and the fr? |
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| 17:21.38 | slaxxin | same here |
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| 17:29.58 | naruto | hallo is the kernel 2.6 on git the 2.6.29 one? |
| 17:30.55 | lindi- | naruto: git has many branches |
| 17:31.57 | naruto | which one for the 2.6.29 or 2.6.30? |
| 17:32.15 | naruto | i need to apply the mark's patch against 2.6.29 |
| 17:32.24 | lindi- | there's no 2.6.30 |
| 17:33.00 | lindi- | naruto: it has many gta* specific patches too |
| 17:33.43 | naruto | ok |
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| 18:22.22 | leachim_dot_eu | max_posedon: thx it works very well |
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| 18:33.29 | ChristW | When the FR 'rings', it only buzzes its vibrator and I seem unable to pick it up. Can this be caused by spd-dispatcher being installed? |
| 18:34.41 | ChristW | Navit by default installs it, and ISTR there being audio problems with this package installed. |
| 18:35.33 | naruto | hallo, i was wondering how much Max. Continuous current the openmoko needs to wake on power? |
| 18:35.41 | naruto | where i can find some docs about it? |
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| 18:39.54 | naruto | i need to know how and at which conditions the openmoko wakes on power |
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| 18:41.35 | nullpuppy | naruto: have you tried asking the ml? |
| 18:41.46 | mmontour | naruto: you mean waking when you connect a power source? The PCF50633 datasheet would be a good place to start |
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| 19:15.42 | slaxxin | do not opkg upgrade shr |
| 19:15.50 | slaxxin | unstable |
| 19:20.17 | leachim_dot_eu | slaxxin: yes it will crash :-( |
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| 19:43.22 | cyberalex | hello |
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| 19:51.54 | ndnihil | almost woke up to a dead battery |
| 19:52.06 | ndnihil | apparently it doesn't re-suspend after missing a call... |
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| 20:23.33 | uhsf | how to make the freerunner ring when receiving a call but not vibrate? |
| 20:23.58 | ndnihil | turn the vibrator off :) |
| 20:25.17 | ndnihil | I think it's somewhere in a profile setting |
| 20:25.32 | uhsf | obviously that should be a setting accessible with a click but that phone is so stupid, what command line do i have to enter? |
| 20:26.19 | ndnihil | what dist are you running? |
| 20:26.24 | uhsf | shr |
| 20:26.25 | lindi- | uhsf: it's not the phone, it's the distro |
| 20:26.37 | ndnihil | same here, and it's available in the profile menu under settings |
| 20:27.06 | ndnihil | no that's just a silent thing that's already off |
| 20:27.26 | ndnihil | could have sworn I saw it somewhere in a menu |
| 20:28.15 | uhsf | ndnihil: there is only default (ring+vibrate) and silent (vibrate only). no ring only. |
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| 20:29.28 | uhsf | i'm annoyed to hear it vibrate uselesly on the desk |
| 20:32.47 | lindi- | uhsf: make it vibrate only in pocket? |
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| 20:35.20 | uhsf | lindi-: what's your point? i know i can make it vibrate only. i want to make it _ring_ only. |
| 20:36.23 | lindi- | uhsf: grep -ri vibra /etc | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 20:46.02 | uhsf | this command is total non-sense. is that a joke? |
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| 20:52.51 | lindi- | uhsf: no, here it finds the configuration file that was used to control vibration |
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| 21:01.48 | uhsf | what's the nc part? |
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| 21:02.10 | ndnihil | nc is netcat |
| 21:02.14 | ndnihil | great tool |
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| 21:04.56 | uhsf | the nc part of the command doesn't work. should i edit the rules.yaml file? how? |
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| 22:05.52 | Digital_Pioneer | WTH did they do to SHR unstable now? USB is totally gone. |
| 22:06.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Can't get my computer to see it at all. |
| 22:06.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Actually, I can, but dmesg just says this: |
| 22:06.56 | Digital_Pioneer | usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 22:07.22 | dent | hm... i just flashed today's unstable and USB workd ok for me |
| 22:07.24 | Digital_Pioneer | And lsusb hangs and you can't get it to quit when you use it. |
| 22:07.44 | dent | looks more like some cable issue (?) |
| 22:07.44 | Dave | Digital_Dent |
| 22:08.09 | dent | Dave_dent (need I to say my real name is David? :) |
| 22:08.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Audio is down too, apparently. |
| 22:09.29 | Dave | Impossible! |
| 22:09.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Hah |
| 22:10.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I have to go. |
| 22:10.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh. |
| 22:10.43 | Dave | -_- |
| 22:10.49 | Dave | progress-- |
| 22:18.58 | azaghal | Digital_Pioneer: They kept it unstable? ;) |
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| 22:42.17 | SeligArkin | Wheee |
| 22:42.49 | SeligArkin | Ok, why does SHR keep killing my settings in regards to suspend and diming? |
| 22:46.42 | badcloud | happens to me too (the dimming part) |
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| 22:56.54 | slaxxin | uApril FOOLS |
| 22:57.07 | slaxxin | haaaa ha ha haaaaaa |
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| 23:01.49 | slaxxin | where are those 2009.X unstable images i heard tyell of |
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| 23:07.48 | Dave | :o |
| 23:08.10 | SeligArkin | Dave: how many times have you droped your freerunners? |
| 23:08.33 | SeligArkin | slaxxin: lrn2type |
| 23:09.16 | mwester | droped? The past tense of "to drope" ? |
| 23:09.30 | SeligArkin | very funny |
| 23:10.19 | mwester | well, you're beating up poor slaxxin... |
| 23:10.31 | SeligArkin | I can type, just not spell. :P |
| 23:10.45 | fredrin | meh, bitbake hangs :( |
| 23:11.01 | mwester | likes that excuse, and resolves to use that sometime! |
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| 23:11.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh, SHR-unstable is totally screwed after that last round of updates. |
| 23:11.18 | mwester | fredrin: where? |
| 23:11.33 | fredrin | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: - (5200/6483) [80 %]cd |
| 23:11.33 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.36 | mwester | just built an hour ago, and is running shr-unstable. |
| 23:11.36 | fredrin | there |
| 23:12.01 | fredrin | right in the beginning after i type 'make image' |
| 23:12.06 | mwester | fredrin: Ah. Stuck on a "what is the most recent version that was checked into repository 5200"? |
| 23:12.35 | fredrin | bitbake counts some files, but get stuck at 5200 |
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| 23:13.06 | mwester | If you add -v one or more times, I think it will tell you what recipes it is processing. |
| 23:13.19 | mwester | You probablyare not building the stable version |
| 23:13.30 | fredrin | i just run 'make image' |
| 23:13.42 | mwester | So for the unstable, there are some recipes where bitbake has been instructed to build the most recent version of that package |
| 23:13.42 | fredrin | i'm building unstable |
| 23:13.46 | fredrin | or at least trying to |
| 23:14.14 | mwester | in order to process that recipe, it needs to go out to the remote git or svn repo, and find out what the most recent version might be |
| 23:14.19 | mwester | And that's where it is stuck for you. |
| 23:14.43 | fredrin | i guess |
| 23:14.50 | mwester | You can keep retrying until it works, or you can do the bitbake with -v and see what recipe (and what remove site) it is stuck on. |
| 23:15.10 | mwester | And then try to figure out if you have a connectivity issue that might be preventing it from working, or if it is the remote site's problem. |
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| 23:17.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, my phone no longer shows up as anything on USB, but it still charges. Audio is totally dead, and it doesn't seem to think it has a sound card. |
| 23:18.23 | mmontour | Digital_Pioneer: maybe your rootfs doesn't have the right modules for your kernel |
| 23:18.48 | Dave | Mmontour. |
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| 23:18.56 | Dave | Selig, shush :P |
| 23:19.00 | mmontour | Dave. |
| 23:19.07 | Dave | I didn't drop any of them, they tried to escape my grasp... |
| 23:19.11 | Dave | THERE IS NO ESCAPE >:) |
| 23:19.21 | SeligArkin | Dave: I am curious how high of a fall they can take. :P |
| 23:19.27 | Dave | oh, well |
| 23:19.33 | Digital_Pioneer | mmontour: Before thsi started, I did a massive upgrade, which included what must've been at least a hundred kernel-module packages. |
| 23:19.35 | Dave | We already know they surive a 15ft bike crash well :P |
| 23:19.43 | Dave | only minor damage, which was then repairable |
| 23:19.46 | Digital_Pioneer | I would think it has the modules... |
| 23:19.49 | Dave | I think it was rod's tale |
| 23:20.01 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 23:20.17 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07libfso-glib * r3e2cdfe2b360 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): removed po/* from project |
| 23:20.37 | mmontour | Digital_Pioneer: "lsmod", "uname -r", "ls /lib/modules", should let you check if that's your problem |
| 23:21.55 | mmontour | Regarding fredrin's problem - I would like it if there was a way to do the 'autorev' check as its own bitbake command |
| 23:22.43 | mmontour | That is, have a local file of srcrevs that could be automatically updated with one command, but would allow me to re-build packages locally without having to check every time |
| 23:23.09 | mmontour | but I don't know enough about OE/bitbake to know how to do that |
| 23:23.11 | Dave | curses at bitbake |
| 23:23.30 | Digital_Pioneer | mmontour: Kernel is 2.6.29-r3, /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3/ exists. |
| 23:24.01 | mmontour | anything loaded (lsmod)? If not, running "depmod -a" might help |
| 23:24.30 | Digital_Pioneer | mmontour: None loaded. |
| 23:25.37 | mmontour | also "modprobe g_ether" should load the USB-net module, or tell you why it can't |
| 23:28.10 | Digital_Pioneer | mmontour: OK, got USB-net up, but the phone doesn't seem to have the network configured. |
| 23:28.33 | mwester | Did you reboot? |
| 23:28.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope, that's my next plan. :) |
| 23:29.05 | Dave | :P |
| 23:29.21 | mwester | Egads! Nothing works until after the first reboot! |
| 23:29.26 | Digital_Pioneer | So why didn't this `depmod -a` get run at the upgrade? :\ |
| 23:29.30 | Dave | Selig, what would you pay ... for smooth SG-1 playback on your freerunner? |
| 23:29.38 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Yeah, I've already done 4 reboots. |
| 23:29.39 | mwester | Digital_Pioneer: it did -- |
| 23:29.46 | SeligArkin | Dave: if I had money... I don |
| 23:29.49 | SeligArkin | 't know |
| 23:29.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Must not have worked... |
| 23:30.15 | Dave | :D |
| 23:30.24 | fredrin | looks forward new wifidrifer |
| 23:30.27 | fredrin | driver |
| 23:30.36 | Dave | Selig, you may end up <3'ing me long time :P |
| 23:30.39 | Dave | :D |
| 23:30.46 | SeligArkin | I see. |
| 23:30.54 | Dave | YES |
| 23:31.01 | Dave | I mean... uhm, yes :) |
| 23:31.02 | fredrin | Is wifi the fastest way to get data in and out of the FR? or is USB 1.1 faster? |
| 23:31.08 | SeligArkin | Well I am not in the habit of whoreing myself out. :P |
| 23:31.13 | Dave | hhahahahaha |
| 23:31.42 | fredrin | Dave is a openmoko whore :P |
| 23:31.59 | Dave | ;D |
| 23:32.02 | Dave | hey hey |
| 23:32.08 | Dave | I'm not *that* ashamed of it :P |
| 23:32.10 | Dave | I guess |
| 23:32.27 | fredrin | the world is runned by the economic whore principle :) |
| 23:32.33 | mjr | good question, actually, I'm not sure how fast the FR can feed the wifi. But if it can use it effectively, with good signal it should be faster. |
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| 23:32.42 | Dave | Yeah :p |
| 23:33.06 | fredrin | will the FR die if up uplaod from usb, bluetooth and wifi at teh same tiem? |
| 23:33.08 | mwester | Didn't somebody post some numbers to the kernel ML some weeks ago? |
| 23:33.39 | fredrin | i read something about 1.2M/bit or Byte per sec with UDP |
| 23:34.43 | mjr | fredrin, no, but it may experience a thing we technically call "little death" from such triple penetration |
| 23:35.12 | Dave | O_O |
| 23:35.33 | Dave | hahahahahahahahahahaha |
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| 23:38.43 | SeligArkin | looks around |
| 23:42.28 | Dave | Any canucks here? |
| 23:42.38 | mmontour | yes |
| 23:42.46 | Dave | Ah :D |
| 23:42.57 | Dave | Mmontour do you have one of those three-year carrier plans? |
| 23:43.10 | mmontour | No, I'm on prepaid |
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| 23:45.30 | Dave | Aha, wise man :p |
| 23:45.50 | Dave | Mmontour, hmm, I should check the rates. |
| 23:46.07 | Dave | I'm curious to know the data rates, specifically |
| 23:46.13 | Dave | rates as in, cost :p |
| 23:47.06 | mmontour | About $30/GB on a monthly data plan, $30/MB if you don't have a data plan |
| 23:47.37 | mmontour | (I don't use data on my phone) |
| 23:50.12 | mmontour | http://www.fido.ca/web/content/sdp/wia_options has details on the rates |
| 23:51.10 | Dave | Hmmm |
| 23:51.23 | Dave | ah, yeah |
| 23:51.25 | Dave | okay thanks |
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