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| 00:33.14 | SomeT | anyone know where to download neotool for ubuntu? |
| 00:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.54 | SomeT | its driving me insane this is, lol |
| 00:40.07 | SomeT | trying to install neotool through ubuntu |
| 00:40.14 | SomeT | every site i find on wiki or otherwise |
| 00:40.18 | SomeT | does not do anything |
| 00:40.24 | SomeT | tried terminal |
| 00:40.27 | SomeT | still nothing |
| 00:40.33 | SomeT | is it possible to use this tool in ubuntu? |
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| 00:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | you need this requesters lib. sth y*** or dunno the name atm. please refer to wiki... |
| 00:45.50 | SomeT | http://archive.ubuntu.org.cn/ppa/uninea/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/neotool/ |
| 00:45.52 | SomeT | i found that |
| 00:45.56 | SomeT | but because at the mo |
| 00:46.01 | SomeT | im running it off a live cdf |
| 00:46.11 | SomeT | having trouble running df-util along side it |
| 00:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | so what is the reply when running neotool? |
| 00:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw probbably for a livecd it's not worth the effort to install neotool |
| 00:50.06 | Dave | :] |
| 00:50.28 | SomeT | ah ok |
| 00:50.32 | rooly | just did something excesively stupid by all accounts |
| 00:50.37 | SomeT | i tried running neo tool |
| 00:50.42 | rooly | however, i think it's probably for the better |
| 00:50.57 | SomeT | it says |
| 00:51.00 | SomeT | dependency |
| 00:51.15 | SomeT | is not satifisable with: dfu-util |
| 00:51.25 | SomeT | what would be my next best step |
| 00:52.39 | SomeT | ? |
| 00:54.12 | SomeT | could someone please help me i have a plan i am not the greatest with linux |
| 00:54.26 | SomeT | basically I am going to install ubuntu 8.10 gnome & debian |
| 00:54.44 | SomeT | then download these two packages |
| 00:54.45 | SomeT | http://archive.ubuntu.org.cn/ppa/uninea/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/neotool/ |
| 00:54.55 | SomeT | http://archive.ubuntu.org.cn/ppa/uninea/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/neotool/ |
| 00:55.10 | SomeT | http://ubuntu.interlegis.gov.br/ubuntu/pool/universe/d/dfu-util/ |
| 00:55.14 | SomeT | rather |
| 00:55.16 | SomeT | would this work? |
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| 01:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | bing, +1h |
| 01:00.56 | shellevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.08 | SomeT | please |
| 01:02.17 | SomeT | would my plan work |
| 01:02.27 | SomeT | i have done a simulation on a live cd of ubuntu |
| 01:02.43 | SomeT | would i need to do anything else now to change the os on my freerunner? |
| 01:02.48 | SomeT | e.g. usb networking? |
| 01:03.55 | SomeT | doc scrut? |
| 01:04.03 | SomeT | shellevil? |
| 01:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | nah, first get a working dfu-util. the one mentioned on wiki should work |
| 01:04.41 | SomeT | what about that one in the link? |
| 01:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | whereas there are rumors dfuutil from distris sometimes doesn't |
| 01:04.56 | SomeT | http://ubuntu.interlegis.gov.br/ubuntu/pool/universe/d/dfu-util/ |
| 01:05.10 | SomeT | the one on the wiki leads me to non working download links |
| 01:05.29 | SomeT | unless i use a linux distro other than ubuntu |
| 01:05.43 | shellevil | ? |
| 01:06.11 | shellevil | sorry - dunno - /me is mostly asleep. |
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| 01:06.18 | SomeT | no worries |
| 01:06.38 | SomeT | do u know exactly what i need to click on in the wiki to download the best dfuutil? |
| 01:06.47 | SomeT | as this seems to be the only way i can find to download it? |
| 01:07.05 | SomeT | do i need to do anything else upon plugging my freerunner into a ubuntu machine via usb? |
| 01:10.16 | SomeT | ? |
| 01:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | SomeT: try download this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util and copy to any convenient place, change to executable (chmod a+x), and start it with sudo. should work |
| 01:14.37 | SomeT | thanls |
| 01:14.45 | SomeT | whats the difference between the link i posted? |
| 01:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 01:15.23 | SomeT | so i could try either then? |
| 01:15.35 | SomeT | i am going bed in a mo |
| 01:15.46 | SomeT | but getting some instructions down for me to flash my phone tommorow |
| 01:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | the one you posted is a dir containing deb packages |
| 01:16.06 | SomeT | as i find the wiki a bit confusing to follow to be honest so trying to find my own way |
| 01:16.15 | SomeT | a deb package installs the bin file automatically right? |
| 01:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | "my" link is a plain executable you don't install |
| 01:16.35 | SomeT | exactly, as i said above right? |
| 01:18.11 | SomeT | i am going to risk it and try this via the live cd tommorow |
| 01:18.17 | SomeT | thanks for all the help docscrut |
| 01:18.18 | SomeT | cya |
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| 01:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | np, welcome |
| 01:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | night |
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| 01:18.43 | mirko-paroli | had your lunch coffee yet DocScrutinizer? |
| 01:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | no lunch yet ;) |
| 01:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | considering to walk to main railway st. to get some at McD ;D |
| 01:19.45 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 01:20.13 | mirko-paroli | it is a small problem to be awake at this time of day here in GER |
| 01:20.19 | mirko-paroli | I guess most of EUR |
| 01:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | yup, annoying |
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| 01:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | nah, Berlin is ok |
| 01:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | esp weekend |
| 01:20.47 | mirko-paroli | hmm...guess depends where you live |
| 01:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | any time'o'clock |
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| 01:21.02 | mirko-paroli | where I am...well...nothing would be an exaguration :) |
| 01:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | you're in Berlin? |
| 01:21.22 | mirko-paroli | plus, not a single decent coffee shop |
| 01:21.24 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 01:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 01:21.34 | mirko-paroli | in good, old, dirty Bln |
| 01:21.36 | raster | aah europe |
| 01:21.42 | raster | where nothing is open after 5pm |
| 01:21.43 | raster | :) |
| 01:21.47 | mirko-paroli | raster: exactly |
| 01:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | moo raster :D |
| 01:22.05 | raster | i've always found that amusing |
| 01:22.14 | raster | all the shops close before you get out of the office |
| 01:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 01:22.25 | raster | and not on weekends |
| 01:22.32 | raster | how is anyone meant to ever buy food to eat? |
| 01:22.34 | raster | :) |
| 01:22.41 | mirko-paroli | I think they r open till 8 or 9 now |
| 01:22.47 | mirko-paroli | not much better mind you |
| 01:22.58 | mirko-paroli | but it's a start :) |
| 01:23.06 | raster | yeah... a start |
| 01:23.22 | raster | mind u - 10-15 years years ago it literally was like this |
| 01:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | well in spain that's completely different for example |
| 01:24.01 | mirko-paroli | open all night DocScrutinizer ? |
| 01:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | shops open 10AM-2PM and 8PM-12PM |
| 01:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | some are actually open all night long |
| 01:25.22 | mirko-paroli | all night long --- music to my ears :) |
| 01:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | even in a 10'000 village you can find 2..3 of them |
| 01:26.13 | raster | so god forbid u want to buy anything between 2 an 8pm :) |
| 01:26.21 | Dave | :o |
| 01:26.33 | mirko-paroli | seems like a good time to sleep, 2 to 8 that is |
| 01:26.44 | raster | are thnigs open sundays these days in .de? |
| 01:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | nobody is out on the street at that time anyway, raster |
| 01:26.54 | raster | DocScrutinizer: FOOLS! |
| 01:26.57 | raster | no one out! |
| 01:27.04 | raster | MUHAHAHHAHAHAHA! |
| 01:27.11 | Dave | :O |
| 01:27.11 | raster | i shall take over the streets |
| 01:27.16 | raster | take over the town! |
| 01:27.18 | Dave | slowly backs away from raster |
| 01:27.18 | mirko-paroli | raster: not many r open, but in Bln it is easy to get all you want even on sun |
| 01:27.19 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 01:27.19 | raster | they are all gone! |
| 01:27.21 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | fols are out on the street on midday heat (and englishmen) |
| 01:27.47 | raster | hahahah |
| 01:27.48 | shellevil | yeah - well. |
| 01:27.52 | shellevil | Midday sun. |
| 01:27.54 | shellevil | England. |
| 01:27.55 | raster | for aussies.. that aint heat |
| 01:28.02 | shellevil | It's not typically that bad. |
| 01:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | think that's sorta indian or arabian speaking |
| 01:29.51 | shellevil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Arm9-S3C2440-Dev-Board-with-NEC-3-5-touch-screen_W0QQitemZ220385322268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item220385322268&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 raster |
| 01:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | "only mad dogs and englishmen walk out on midday sun" |
| 01:29.58 | mirko-paroli | carries his beer to the balcony |
| 01:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | leaves for having a walk to McD |
| 01:31.36 | ndnihil | wow, only $35 or so? |
| 01:31.37 | raster | shellevil: and? |
| 01:31.41 | ndnihil | oh wait |
| 01:31.43 | ndnihil | postage |
| 01:31.50 | Dave | Joerg :( |
| 01:31.53 | ndnihil | scrolled too fast |
| 01:31.54 | Dave | gross |
| 01:32.00 | shellevil | raster: inteeresting board, quite cheap. |
| 01:32.03 | raster | thats pretty waek |
| 01:32.06 | raster | only 64m ram |
| 01:32.08 | Dave | COMPLY! |
| 01:32.19 | raster | 2440 |
| 01:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | uhh |
| 01:32.35 | raster | qvga - sure. not that bad - but minimal standard |
| 01:32.49 | shellevil | raster: sure - but LCD+touchscreen+network+audio sockets +camera interface |
| 01:33.04 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:33.11 | raster | sure |
| 01:33.14 | Dave | oled, anyone? :D |
| 01:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | cam IF comes for free |
| 01:33.16 | raster | but pretty old |
| 01:33.18 | shellevil | It's a price point I'd not seen anyway. |
| 01:33.26 | raster | why not just use an n800? |
| 01:33.31 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: of course - if you bring it out to a socket |
| 01:33.32 | raster | or n810? |
| 01:33.34 | Dave | haha |
| 01:33.35 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:33.53 | raster | u'd pick them up for that price now |
| 01:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | show me where |
| 01:34.51 | shellevil | because an n800 is twice the price? |
| 01:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | could get me a few spare |
| 01:34.51 | raster | 2nd hand? |
| 01:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 01:35.20 | raster | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-WI-FI-BLUETOOTH-GPS_W0QQitemZ250380213378QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_PDAs_JN?hash=item250380213378&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 |
| 01:35.34 | raster | 124 total with shipping |
| 01:35.49 | raster | vs 89 total with shipping |
| 01:35.56 | raster | 30% more for n800 |
| 01:37.03 | raster | i'd buy a dev board.. only if its something i cant (easily) get as a finished "ready to hack" product |
| 01:37.40 | mirko-paroli | k, I'll sleep early tonight |
| 01:37.45 | mirko-paroli | good night everyone |
| 01:37.49 | Dave | :) |
| 01:37.52 | raster | nite! |
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| 01:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: wow. ok, night! :) |
| 01:38.57 | shellevil | raster: If the dev board was maybe 1/2 the price, I'd be buying 4-5, for house automation stuff. |
| 01:39.11 | raster | sure |
| 01:39.18 | raster | for simple stuff it might be good for that |
| 01:39.24 | raster | i guess it depends on your intent |
| 01:39.41 | raster | mine would be to develop open phone software + ui's and all the subsystems needed |
| 01:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, walking |
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| 01:41.30 | shellevil | Mine would be to do room audio, and simple door-viewer type apps. |
| 01:42.16 | ndnihil | home automation can easily be left to low power 8bit |
| 01:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | eww, video |
| 01:42.51 | shellevil | ndnihil: not for room audio, and small video. |
| 01:43.06 | ndnihil | eh, even for audio |
| 01:43.14 | ndnihil | but yeah theyre a bit shy of doing video |
| 01:43.18 | shellevil | not decent quality audio. |
| 01:43.31 | ndnihil | depends on what add-ons you get for it ;) |
| 01:43.52 | ndnihil | AD has some pretty sweet audio processors |
| 01:43.57 | raster | shellevil: for that it'd be cool |
| 01:44.02 | ndnihil | and they're friendly with samples |
| 01:44.13 | Dave | :) |
| 01:44.43 | raster | 2440 @ 1vga 16bpp could do video |
| 01:44.44 | shellevil | is currently setting up a 1-wire house net. |
| 01:44.45 | raster | just |
| 01:44.49 | raster | err qvga |
| 01:45.01 | raster | jusssst |
| 01:45.11 | raster | given a good codec |
| 01:45.15 | shellevil | 10fps is just fine. |
| 01:45.17 | raster | and maybe 160x120 pixel-doubled |
| 01:45.26 | raster | or drop to half fps |
| 01:47.21 | ndnihil | hrm, I guess now that I've got the FR I should finish the bluetooth to x10 gateway |
| 01:48.21 | shellevil | ras: but this wouldn't be 'look at' video, it's glance at. Device on wall goes 'bing' - look at display - ignore caller, ... |
| 01:48.51 | raster | shellevil: oh - of course |
| 01:49.05 | raster | for that kind of stuff its more than powerful |
| 01:49.10 | raster | for home-automaticon etc. |
| 01:49.19 | raster | but it is capable of video... just |
| 01:51.32 | ndnihil | a friend of mine was doing great video stuff with a new'ish TI chip paired with 8bit PIC |
| 01:51.42 | ndnihil | cant find the part number though |
| 01:52.55 | raster | the omap3 (or dm320) is prettybeefy |
| 01:53.49 | Dave | \o/ |
| 01:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmm, coffee :D |
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| 01:59.08 | slaxxin | is it an shr bug that causes tango maps editing to error? |
| 01:59.28 | slaxxin | or a tango problem? |
| 01:59.43 | slaxxin | shr unstable |
| 02:01.18 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Do you mean editing the name of the directory where maps should be cached? |
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| 02:04.17 | Dave | Ken :) |
| 02:04.27 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
| 02:07.16 | slaxxin | yes Ken |
| 02:08.02 | KenYoung | slaxxin, That issue is not SHR-specific. It happens with 2008.x too, and probably other stacks. |
| 02:08.14 | slaxxin | well |
| 02:08.32 | slaxxin | it didnt on kustomizer |
| 02:08.45 | KenYoung | slaxxin, I think the most common work-around is to make a softlink from where tango want to store things, to where you want to store things. |
| 02:08.55 | slaxxin | ok |
| 02:09.06 | KenYoung | slaxxin, kustomizer makes a softlink, I think. |
| 02:09.35 | KenYoung | I definately had what problem on 2008.12 out-of-the-box. |
| 02:10.29 | KenYoung | oops "that problem" not "what problem". |
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| 02:12.19 | KenYoung | slaxxin, kustomizer makes a softlink /home/root/Maps -> /media/card/Maps . |
| 02:14.04 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Look at linke 400 of kustomizer_0.4 for details. |
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| 02:50.17 | doc|home | so, I don't have much free time these days to keep up. Is shr usable for phone/sms yet? :/ |
| 02:58.15 | KenYoung | doc|home, It's a matter of opinion, of course, but many people seem to feel that SHR is usable as a phone now. |
| 02:58.24 | Dave | :| |
| 03:03.09 | KenYoung | doc|home, I've used SHR-testing successfully, but SHR-unstable has never (well, never in the three times I tried it) worked for me. |
| 03:09.14 | doc|home | KenYoung: ok, thanks for the response |
| 03:09.39 | doc|home | KenYoung: one last question suspend/resume is fast enough to get to calls? |
| 03:11.22 | KenYoung | doc|home, I'd say yes, but I've only used SHR intermittantly. I normally use 2008.12+kustomizer. I've never missed a call with SHR, but I've only received about 10 incoming calls when running SHR. |
| 03:11.42 | doc|home | KenYoung: great, thank you |
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| 03:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | gnampf |
| 03:20.14 | Dave | asdf |
| 03:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | dave... please don't do that. Dave, I'm frightened... ... may I sing you a little song? |
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| 04:36.06 | Dave | Joerg ¬_¬ |
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| 05:04.06 | bootup | is there any 'free' phone yet (even if we're using largely/significantly non-free image to make it stable) that is stable enough for normal use? |
| 05:04.58 | bootup | i was told the neo freerunner is still very problematic dropping calls and so forth, but the person i talked to appeared to have not touched it in quite a few months |
| 05:06.08 | bootup | i really hate buying new phones and have stuck to an very (well, 5-6 years) old phone |
| 05:06.26 | ndnihil | eh, stick qtopia on it and it should be fine for daily use |
| 05:06.54 | ndnihil | "it" being a freerunner |
| 05:07.16 | bootup | ndnihil yea? i asked that same question and the other person said the problem is largely not the software running on top of it. |
| 05:07.58 | bootup | i didn't really trust there advice though... i kept getting this bad vibe. especially when he started talking about how great his microsoft phone was. totally bizzare. |
| 05:08.11 | ndnihil | yeah, obvious sign of brainwashing |
| 05:08.13 | ndnihil | ;) |
| 05:08.59 | bootup | hehe yea- that's what i thought. then again. the freerunner isn't exactly free either. it's still heavily entrenched in restrictions at the lower levels for parts. |
| 05:09.26 | ndnihil | android is open'ish |
| 05:09.29 | ndnihil | kinda |
| 05:09.30 | bootup | i don't know what to do. hmm i wish i could try one before i bought i |
| 05:09.31 | ndnihil | in a way |
| 05:09.45 | bootup | in the mean time i went and bought a n810 - |
| 05:10.02 | ndnihil | heard good things about those |
| 05:10.03 | bootup | at the time i just needed to replace a palm and was going to kill two birds with one stone |
| 05:10.06 | bootup | yea |
| 05:10.10 | ndnihil | shame it doesnt include a phone |
| 05:10.26 | bootup | the n810 isn't free either though... as far as i know at least the wifi driver is closed source. |
| 05:10.37 | ndnihil | what chipset? |
| 05:10.49 | bootup | i'm not sure. it's a broadcom chipset though |
| 05:10.51 | bootup | a real shame |
| 05:10.55 | ndnihil | ah |
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| 05:11.40 | ndnihil | only had my FR for a little over 24 hours |
| 05:11.42 | bootup | i really don't have the money to be throwing around either. i'm starting a business selling gnu/linux and 'open' products. |
| 05:11.52 | ndnihil | but first impressions are good, even if the majority of the software needs a little work |
| 05:11.53 | bootup | aww |
| 05:12.07 | ndnihil | qtopia is the most out of the box usable |
| 05:12.14 | bootup | yea |
| 05:12.21 | ndnihil | doesnt take advantage of some of the features of the FR |
| 05:12.34 | ndnihil | but it worked pretty well and responded quickly |
| 05:12.43 | ndnihil | FDOM is brutal |
| 05:13.23 | bootup | if i knew receiving and talking parts of the phone worked reliably i'd buy it in a heartbeat. unfortunately my current phone is going and i don't want to pay for or receive a non-free phone from my cell company. |
| 05:13.42 | ndnihil | basic phone features work fine |
| 05:14.07 | bootup | i'm still jumpy after my last conversation. i also can't afford it now. |
| 05:14.18 | ndnihil | you can find them used pretty cheap |
| 05:14.19 | bootup | :( but i don't know. |
| 05:14.27 | ndnihil | saw one going across howardforums for $150'ish |
| 05:15.11 | bootup | yea- how would i get a used phone though? i mean. i'm a little concerned about paying someone significant cash for something i don't know i'll receive. |
| 05:15.22 | bootup | some board seems sketchy to me |
| 05:15.36 | ndnihil | yeah, thats one of the reasons I picked my up retail |
| 05:15.58 | ndnihil | s/my/mine/g |
| 05:16.14 | ndnihil | argh, someone "fixed" apt |
| 05:16.16 | bootup | hmm i would have a little less concern if they offered it on ebay or some other arrangement. i hate ebay though. |
| 05:16.32 | ndnihil | <-- never done an ebay transaction in his life |
| 05:16.36 | ndnihil | nor paypal |
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| 05:17.00 | bootup | ndhihil man- you just earned my respect. |
| 05:17.04 | ndnihil | :) |
| 05:17.10 | ndnihil | a fella has to have standards |
| 05:17.16 | bootup | yea- that's for sure |
| 05:17.25 | ndnihil | craigslist on the other hand |
| 05:17.31 | ndnihil | I've bought so much crap off there |
| 05:17.36 | ndnihil | but I get to see it in person |
| 05:17.51 | bootup | mine are too low- and yet there so much higher than almost anybody else's short of RMS |
| 05:18.01 | ndnihil | rms? |
| 05:18.05 | bootup | i'd do craigs list |
| 05:18.14 | bootup | i doubt i'd find a freerunner on it though |
| 05:18.17 | bootup | i'll check though |
| 05:18.24 | bootup | richard stallman |
| 05:18.32 | bootup | free software movement |
| 05:18.39 | ndnihil | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=freerunner+phone+%2Bsite%3Acraigslist.org&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 05:18.50 | ndnihil | looks like several of them, depending on where you're located |
| 05:19.10 | bootup | yea |
| 05:19.14 | bootup | expired or not near me |
| 05:19.25 | ndnihil | doh |
| 05:19.29 | bootup | i'm east coast central nj |
| 05:19.30 | ndnihil | where you located? |
| 05:19.33 | ndnihil | heh |
| 05:19.38 | bootup | it sucks |
| 05:19.41 | ndnihil | I bought mine from a place in PA |
| 05:19.45 | bootup | but there are some advantages |
| 05:19.50 | ndnihil | might be worth the drive if they'll demo one for you |
| 05:19.58 | bootup | yea- maybe i should check into that |
| 05:20.01 | bootup | ohh |
| 05:20.03 | ndnihil | SDG systems |
| 05:20.04 | bootup | but i don't have the cash |
| 05:20.16 | ndnihil | eh, once you get one in your hands, you'll find the cash |
| 05:20.38 | bootup | i already spent $300 and i need the money for purchasing products for a store i've got up and running (not yet advertising though).. |
| 05:20.54 | bootup | i'd spend another 150 |
| 05:20.57 | bootup | not 300-400 |
| 05:21.01 | ndnihil | what kind of store? |
| 05:21.04 | bootup | i just can't. |
| 05:22.23 | bootup | i'll be selling gnu/linux notebooks, desktops, and the key here is supporting them-full support. including accessories. nobody else does it. |
| 05:22.33 | bootup | not targeting the masses anyway |
| 05:23.05 | ndnihil | I wish you good luck |
| 05:23.18 | ndnihil | and glad to see someone making a commercial go of open products |
| 05:24.17 | bootup | yea- i'm funding it with raw sweat and knowledge. plan to take advantage of the masses to fund the gnu/linux freedom concept till i can find an attractive solution to the competitive market place. |
| 05:24.37 | ndnihil | target small/medium businesses |
| 05:24.49 | ndnihil | they have more money to throw around, and often benefit more from open technologies |
| 05:27.07 | bootup | yea- they are hard to target though. small businesses sometimes are easier. but anybody really needing business software is a problem. |
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| 06:26.05 | vancel | yay! gprs, gsm, and gps is working on SHR :) |
| 06:30.24 | KenYoung | Maybe we should rename WiFI to something starting with g . |
| 06:32.37 | ndnihil | vancel: did you find that gsm wont init when booting with the usb cable plugged in? |
| 06:34.01 | vancel | I haven't tried booting with the usb cable. |
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| 06:34.24 | vancel | but I noticed that my contacts on my SIM card seem to be messed up, I had to clean the SIM contacts and it works. |
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| 06:37.19 | vancel | But now my gps can download maps while I'm on the road. :) I have a dual-sport motorcycle, and going off-road is helpful with a GPS. |
| 06:37.51 | ndnihil | did you get gsm to init on boot? |
| 06:37.55 | ndnihil | and what kind of bike? |
| 06:38.12 | ndnihil | I've been eyeballing the new duc hypermotard |
| 06:38.28 | ndnihil | need to sell two bikes and a car before I get any more toys though |
| 06:38.36 | vancel | yup, gsm inits without having to enter the gsm settings. But it takes more time to init than the system allows, so it times out and then a few minutes later it connects. |
| 06:38.44 | vancel | I have a KLR |
| 06:38.54 | ndnihil | nice |
| 06:39.00 | ndnihil | heard good things about them |
| 06:39.07 | ndnihil | 650? |
| 06:39.27 | vancel | until I knocked out the oil plug and the engine seized... then I had to bore it out with the 685 kit. |
| 06:39.46 | ndnihil | what a shame |
| 06:39.46 | vancel | Now I just need buttons for the gprs on and gprs off scripts. |
| 06:41.50 | ndnihil | elementary looks pretty convenient |
| 06:41.54 | ndnihil | havent played with it though |
| 06:42.23 | vancel | elementary? |
| 06:42.37 | vancel | I was thinking about updating shr_gprs.py |
| 06:43.09 | ndnihil | theres an elementary button in SHR |
| 06:43.11 | ndnihil | for demo apps |
| 06:43.33 | vancel | I wonder how to make it connect on demand.... when an app needs the Internet, make it connect. My Nokia did that. |
| 06:43.42 | vancel | and qtopia does it.... sort of.... |
| 06:43.54 | ndnihil | cross compile a dial on demand tool |
| 06:44.03 | ndnihil | there were a bunch when dialup was all the rage |
| 06:44.58 | vancel | true. |
| 06:46.48 | vancel | I'm sure there's a hook in the framework that listens... or maybe make a program that listens like a packet sniffer... hmm... |
| 06:47.25 | vancel | But I do have to say that I like the SHR distro. :D |
| 06:48.00 | ndnihil | it seems to have the most potential, given that qt is kinda stagnant |
| 06:49.50 | vancel | oh, and I found out the fastest of the display options is: wrench in expanded shelf -> Advanced -> Engine -> software_16 |
| 06:51.10 | ndnihil | I dont see an advanced option |
| 06:51.27 | vancel | on the top, scroll to the right. |
| 06:51.40 | vancel | you have to get the shelf to re-shrink. |
| 06:51.50 | ndnihil | stops at input |
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| 06:52.06 | ndnihil | oh wait |
| 06:52.09 | ndnihil | arrow doesnt work |
| 06:52.12 | ndnihil | but I can drag it |
| 06:52.20 | vancel | hmm... mine does language, then advanced, , then extensions. |
| 06:52.22 | vancel | right |
| 06:52.28 | vancel | I didn't even notice the arrows. |
| 06:52.48 | vancel | I've been dragging the display around. :) it's kinda cool with the faster display. |
| 06:54.06 | ndnihil | my gsm is still screwed up |
| 06:54.14 | vancel | that sucks. |
| 06:54.37 | vancel | I had to use a pencil eraser on the metal contacts on my SIM and in the phone... an old trick from my days in electronics. |
| 06:54.48 | ndnihil | know that trick well |
| 06:54.56 | vancel | :) |
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| 06:57.39 | vancel | I'm glad hwclock works on SHR... it didn't work on Om2008.12 or FDOM. |
| 06:58.09 | ndnihil | my gps started working out of the blue |
| 06:58.16 | vancel | At this point, I have the phone/pda/gps/organizer that I wanted. :) |
| 06:58.27 | ndnihil | I did try that extra kernel module pack |
| 06:58.50 | vancel | hmmm... I didn't have any issues with mine. Pretty much every distro worked with teh GPS... just without GPRS to get new maps, I was looking at a blank screen with coordinates. |
| 06:59.07 | ndnihil | might just be crap signal in here |
| 06:59.12 | ndnihil | my garmin doesnt pick up anything at all |
| 06:59.19 | vancel | oh, right gps doesn't do indoors very well. |
| 06:59.20 | ndnihil | this place is like a farraday cage |
| 06:59.27 | ndnihil | all mesh and old school plaster |
| 06:59.36 | vancel | if you can get a signal through a window, it'll work a bit. |
| 06:59.43 | ndnihil | it worked earlier |
| 06:59.43 | vancel | nice |
| 06:59.49 | ndnihil | decent reception |
| 07:00.27 | ndnihil | 0 at the moment |
| 07:01.11 | vancel | that's odd... my screen just went double-width, but the touch points are still where they should be, so the graphics don't line up. |
| 07:02.33 | vancel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.58 | ndnihil | you get wifi working? |
| 07:03.17 | vancel | I haven't tried yet. |
| 07:04.01 | vancel | do either of the wifi systems install on SHR? (mofi or lin-something) |
| 07:04.12 | ndnihil | mofi, but it does nothing for me |
| 07:04.33 | ndnihil | do you get a file /0<a lot of whitespace> ? |
| 07:04.45 | ndnihil | looks like someone got vars backwards somewhere |
| 07:05.06 | ndnihil | looks like they did `echo $ cat 0* |
| 07:05.12 | ndnihil | er |
| 07:05.21 | ndnihil | echo /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on > /0 |
| 07:05.23 | ndnihil | instead of |
| 07:05.27 | ndnihil | echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 07:05.38 | ndnihil | at least on mine |
| 07:06.26 | ndnihil | and the whitespace looks to pad it out to the length of '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on' |
| 07:06.57 | vancel | where? |
| 07:07.00 | ndnihil | in / |
| 07:07.05 | vancel | let me check |
| 07:08.06 | vancel | yup, 52 bytes |
| 07:08.37 | vancel | I can't open that file. |
| 07:08.52 | ndnihil | wonder if that's why gsm takes longer to init |
| 07:09.04 | ndnihil | it's not cycling on/off or some such |
| 07:09.14 | ndnihil | havent had much time to play with it today |
| 07:11.34 | vancel | me neither, I had to work after my golf initiation.... just got home about 2 hours ago. |
| 07:11.49 | ndnihil | golf initiation? |
| 07:11.55 | ndnihil | almost afraid to ask |
| 07:12.05 | vancel | this is my first year with a women's golf league... we had to attend to learn the rules and such. |
| 07:12.11 | ndnihil | ah |
| 07:12.11 | vancel | the new members had to attend. |
| 07:12.26 | ndnihil | did they give you any pointers about shooting through the windmill? |
| 07:12.32 | ndnihil | that one always screws me up |
| 07:12.35 | ndnihil | ;) |
| 07:12.40 | vancel | lol |
| 07:12.48 | vancel | no, but we talked a lot about water hazards. |
| 07:13.06 | ndnihil | you sink it you swim for it? |
| 07:13.40 | vancel | nah... it's a lot of info... |
| 07:14.13 | vancel | cart paths, sand traps, boundaries... I'm just glad I'll be playing with others that have already been on the league for a while. |
| 07:14.21 | ndnihil | billiards is about the only ball+stick+hole game I've gotten into |
| 07:15.09 | vancel | I like that game too. |
| 07:15.23 | ndnihil | golf as a game looks interesting, but 99% of the people that play it kinda turn me off (no offense) |
| 07:15.35 | vancel | I agree. |
| 07:15.57 | vancel | I don't like playing with anyone that takes it too seriously. |
| 07:16.14 | vancel | I mean, you're walking around hitting a little white ball with a bent stick... how serious can you be? |
| 07:16.18 | ndnihil | indeed |
| 07:16.24 | ndnihil | enjoy the fresh air |
| 07:16.47 | ndnihil | shit, it's snowing |
| 07:16.47 | vancel | exactly... a nice walk on a beautiful day, visiting with friends, having a few drinks. |
| 07:17.08 | ndnihil | it was in the 70's here all while I was in SF |
| 07:17.10 | ndnihil | I come back |
| 07:17.14 | ndnihil | and this happens |
| 07:17.30 | ndnihil | not that the weather in SF was bad |
| 07:17.32 | vancel | where? |
| 07:17.35 | ndnihil | quite nice actually |
| 07:17.40 | vancel | I'm in Denver |
| 07:17.40 | ndnihil | st.louis at the moment |
| 07:18.05 | ndnihil | what part? |
| 07:18.14 | ndnihil | did a stint there myself |
| 07:18.19 | vancel | south west... close to Morrison. |
| 07:18.33 | ndnihil | not ringing any bells, but its been a while |
| 07:18.51 | vancel | you know where I70 goes into the mountains? |
| 07:19.03 | vancel | I'm a few miles south of there. |
| 07:19.06 | ndnihil | hrm, yeah, right before you get to dtc? |
| 07:19.22 | ndnihil | no wait |
| 07:19.26 | vancel | I'm almost due west of the DTC... about 12 miles... almost to the mountains. |
| 07:19.30 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 07:19.56 | ndnihil | wow, crazy snow thunder |
| 07:20.07 | vancel | I like how SHR uses the power button dual-color LED for chargin/full :) |
| 07:20.09 | ndnihil | rolled for ~12s |
| 07:20.28 | vancel | yeah, I heard thunder in a snowstorm last year... I'd never heard that before. I started wondering if the world was coming to an end. |
| 07:20.39 | vancel | I'd been in some serious snow storms, but never heard thunder. |
| 07:21.37 | ndnihil | we get it here not infrequently |
| 07:21.55 | ndnihil | get the cold northeast meets warm southwest |
| 07:22.03 | vancel | I was told it happens here regularly too, but I've only lived here 2.5 years now. |
| 07:22.23 | ndnihil | where'd you migrate from? |
| 07:22.32 | ndnihil | odds are I've lived there |
| 07:22.42 | ndnihil | or at least passed through |
| 07:22.51 | vancel | Texas |
| 07:23.01 | ndnihil | yep, what part? |
| 07:23.15 | vancel | the middle of the Dallas / Ft. Worth metro area. |
| 07:23.34 | vancel | Denver is small by comparison. |
| 07:23.41 | ndnihil | ah, both further north and further south than where I was |
| 07:23.51 | ndnihil | (different occasions) |
| 07:24.13 | ndnihil | been through dallas though, fairly large place |
| 07:25.15 | vancel | yup |
| 07:26.15 | ndnihil | hrm, still no gps |
| 07:26.33 | ndnihil | did get some of the local google sat maps while I had it working earlier though |
| 07:27.56 | vancel | nice |
| 07:29.05 | vancel | after such little sleep last night, and working all day today. I need to get to bed. |
| 07:29.25 | ndnihil | later, I thik ive got another few hours left in me |
| 07:29.26 | vancel | but I wanted to stop in and let you know that I got most of the devices working. :) Next I'll try the wifi. |
| 07:29.41 | ndnihil | glad to see its falling into place |
| 07:29.46 | ndnihil | gives me hope |
| 07:29.55 | vancel | I run WPA on my router, so it make take a bit. and I don't do DHCP on it, but none of the ones on FDOM allowed static. |
| 07:30.09 | ndnihil | heh, ive got wpa as well |
| 07:30.23 | ndnihil | except once you connect, you have to VPN in to get anywhere |
| 07:30.31 | vancel | It kept trying to connect to one of my neibor's unsecured networks. |
| 07:30.51 | vancel | s/neibor/neighbor/ |
| 07:31.00 | ndnihil | everything else is blocked, except for a token html page that reads "congrats noob you cracked the wifi" |
| 07:31.12 | ndnihil | that any request redirects to |
| 07:31.32 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 07:31.46 | vancel | anyway, I'm outta here. :) |
| 07:31.49 | ndnihil | if I manually connect to gpsd and get it to start reading the device |
| 07:31.50 | ndnihil | it works |
| 07:31.56 | ndnihil | tango comes up fine |
| 07:32.07 | vancel | hmm... mine is set to auto. |
| 07:32.10 | ndnihil | just needed a boot in the arse |
| 07:32.22 | ndnihil | tried auto, and tried forced on |
| 07:32.25 | ndnihil | same result |
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| 07:32.58 | vancel | well, good luck with the wifi. if you figure it out, I'll probably want to know how you did it. |
| 07:33.00 | vancel | g'night |
| 07:33.07 | ndnihil | night |
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| 07:58.45 | Psi | hi, im trying to get gprs working on SHR on gta01, ive installed fso-settings as it says to do on the shr tweaks page but when i run fso-settings it produces an exception and ends. The exception says its saved an error log but there is no log where it says it saved it |
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| 08:01.23 | lindi- | Psi: are you running syslogd? |
| 08:01.55 | Psi | yes |
| 08:02.11 | lindi- | Psi: what does pppd log there? |
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| 08:04.00 | Psi | where does syslog log to on shr? |
| 08:04.18 | lindi- | Psi: probably depends on what your syslog.conf? |
| 08:04.22 | lindi- | +says |
| 08:04.50 | lindi- | (i don't have shr myself but i know how gprs works in frameworkd) |
| 08:05.14 | Psi | hm.. in the config its got destiation=buffer and logfile=/var/log/messages |
| 08:05.21 | Psi | there is no /var/log/messages file |
| 08:06.39 | Psi | should destination be set to "file" |
| 08:06.55 | lindi- | Psi: does not sound like normal syslog to me |
| 08:07.08 | lindi- | Psi: which syslog daemon are you running? |
| 08:08.08 | lindi- | Psi: i have sysklogd 1.5-5 |
| 08:08.25 | Psi | here http://pastebin.com/d49fe6d41 |
| 08:08.47 | lindi- | Psi: that sounds completely different to me |
| 08:09.00 | lindi- | Psi: which syslog daemon are you running? surely not sysklogd or rsyslog |
| 08:10.00 | Psi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.17 | lindi- | Psi: what package has that file? |
| 08:10.25 | lindi- | maybe its description will tell us more |
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| 08:10.39 | Psi | ive not changed anything, this is how the SHR rootfs image came |
| 08:10.47 | lindi- | Psi: but i don't have shr |
| 08:10.51 | Psi | ah |
| 08:11.12 | lindi- | and you better know your system anyway ;) |
| 08:12.06 | Psi | whats the opkg command to find the package that has a file |
| 08:12.28 | lindi- | Psi: dunno that either, i can't run opkg as normal user to check it out |
| 08:13.42 | lindi- | Psi: opkg -h says 'search <file|regexp> Search for a package providing <file>' |
| 08:14.05 | Psi | yeah, i tried opkg search syslogd |
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| 08:14.10 | Psi | didnt find anything |
| 08:14.16 | lindi- | sounds like a bug then |
| 08:14.23 | Psi | but i think that is looking for packages not files in packages |
| 08:14.35 | lindi- | Psi: get or use /sbin/syslogd? |
| 08:14.39 | lindi- | s/get// |
| 08:15.22 | Psi | yeah, im just playing with syslog.conf to see if i can get it actually logging something |
| 08:17.14 | Psi | ok, its logging now, i have a /var/log/messages |
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| 08:18.27 | Psi | however, it still doesnt put anything new into messages when fso-settings crashes |
| 08:19.08 | Psi | or create the log file the exception says its created in /home/root/ |
| 08:20.46 | Psi | heh, reading the exception window that pops up, i think i know what its not creating an error log, the error it comes up with is "There was no error" heh |
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| 08:41.13 | Psi | nevermind, got it working with the scripts on the gprs_fso page of the wiki |
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| 08:54.12 | Psi | you were right about opkg search being broken tho, it is. |
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| 09:44.02 | Psi | can you set uboot to default to booting from the sd? |
| 09:44.16 | lindi- | Psi: sure |
| 09:44.36 | Psi | im looking at the enviroment in uboot but i dont see a default= |
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| 09:47.45 | lindi- | Psi: bootcmd |
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| 09:48.57 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 09:49.27 | ndnihil | ohai |
| 09:49.51 | PBeck | ndnihil: :) |
| 09:50.35 | ndnihil | usb networking is slow |
| 09:50.48 | PBeck | jop |
| 09:50.55 | Psi | not as slow as GPRS :P |
| 09:51.04 | ndnihil | true |
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| 09:51.20 | Psi | what speed you getting over usb networking? |
| 09:51.26 | ndnihil | doesnt say |
| 09:51.31 | ndnihil | doing an opkg update |
| 09:51.39 | Psi | i think i was getting 600KB/s the other day |
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| 09:51.55 | ndnihil | I finally settled on shr |
| 09:52.05 | ndnihil | and am just now going through making all the tweaks and getting things working |
| 09:52.18 | Psi | im doing exactly the same thing |
| 09:52.26 | Psi | except with a gta01 not 02 |
| 09:52.55 | ndnihil | +Hardware : GTA02 |
| 09:52.56 | ndnihil | Revision : 0360 |
| 09:52.59 | ndnihil | for me |
| 09:53.31 | ndnihil | it showed up on friday, by midnight I had tried most of the dists available |
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| 10:04.28 | Psi | hehe, uboot is too slow for me to copy/paste text into it as a setenv |
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| 10:05.41 | lindi- | Psi: use gnu screen and ^a : slowpaste 100 |
| 10:06.01 | Psi | hm.. |
| 10:06.03 | Psi | tries that |
| 10:06.09 | lindi- | Psi: supporting usb in the boot loader is tricky business anyway |
| 10:06.32 | lindi- | Psi: also, you can configure uboot without rebooting to uboot prompt |
| 10:06.43 | Psi | sounds tricky |
| 10:08.44 | lindi- | Psi: not any more trick than configuring lilo |
| 10:09.16 | Psi | its the slowpaste number a delay or a speed? |
| 10:09.29 | lindi- | i don't recall, man screen? |
| 10:09.44 | lindi- | sayd delay |
| 10:11.55 | Psi | must not be a delay issue, still have the problem even with slowpaste 1000 |
| 10:12.06 | Psi | guess ill have to type it by hand |
| 10:13.03 | lindi- | Psi: are you using screen for copy&paste? |
| 10:14.22 | Psi | i just typed it by hand and it still bombed and restarted |
| 10:15.21 | Psi | oh, it might be cos im not escaping the special characters |
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| 10:39.07 | Psi | seems to be working, booting from sd by default :) |
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| 11:22.51 | SomeT | hello |
| 11:22.56 | SomeT | i have a simple quick question |
| 11:23.26 | Psi | whats the question? |
| 11:23.31 | SomeT | NAND and NOR flashing, is this nessecary to install a new distro on the phone if so which one do I need to flash NAND or NOR? |
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| 11:24.38 | SomeT | as per wiki |
| 11:24.42 | SomeT | it saysL: NOTE: In most cases you don't need to flash your bootloader. Flash it only if you want to update for a specific feature or due to a specific problem. |
| 11:24.49 | SomeT | for nand |
| 11:24.52 | SomeT | but not for nor |
| 11:24.56 | SomeT | so i am a little confused |
| 11:24.58 | PaulFertser | SomeT: you don't flash NOR ever (except when you have a debugboard). |
| 11:25.07 | Psi | i have a gta01, it doesnt have nor |
| 11:25.13 | SomeT | thought so, lol |
| 11:25.22 | SomeT | ive only just got up |
| 11:25.23 | Psi | nor is your recovery if you screw up nand :) |
| 11:25.45 | SomeT | and i need to flash NAND using neotool right to install a new distro? |
| 11:25.48 | PaulFertser | SomeT: you _must_ upgrade your bootloader. Either use the latest u-boot or Qi. It got important fixes since the factory flashing. |
| 11:26.00 | badcloud | how does one recover nand then? |
| 11:26.08 | SomeT | by backing it up? |
| 11:26.10 | SomeT | i think |
| 11:26.13 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 11:26.16 | PaulFertser | badcloud: by flashing it after booting to NOR |
| 11:26.18 | Psi | badcloud: one boots from nor and then reflashes nand to correct problem |
| 11:26.28 | badcloud | I see |
| 11:26.30 | badcloud | thanks |
| 11:26.34 | SomeT | how do i upgrade u-boot |
| 11:26.37 | SomeT | can not find on wiki |
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| 11:26.54 | PaulFertser | SomeT: search better. |
| 11:26.56 | Psi | SomeT: are you trying to do it from a windows or linux box? |
| 11:27.13 | PaulFertser | SomeT: why use neotool? dfu-util is what tested and works. |
| 11:27.32 | Psi | yeah, i use dfu-util, hence why i asked, thought neotool might be some windows equiv |
| 11:27.40 | SomeT | im a bit of a noob to all this |
| 11:27.46 | PaulFertser | SomeT: you can flash a new distro to NAND or you can boot a new distro from uSD card. |
| 11:27.50 | SomeT | so trying to use a simple interface |
| 11:28.11 | SomeT | neotool uses dfu-util anyway doesnt it? |
| 11:28.19 | SomeT | i thought there basically the same thing |
| 11:28.50 | Psi | SomeT: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing |
| 11:28.52 | badcloud | is nand what's accessed after holding down the power button? |
| 11:28.57 | SomeT | so overall does NAND just contain U-boot and is U-boot is what would contain the commands for my new distro? |
| 11:29.00 | PaulFertser | SomeT: i thought using frontends is not exactly the right thing to do something simple. |
| 11:29.20 | SomeT | i thought it was |
| 11:29.33 | PaulFertser | SomeT: no, u-boot is the loader. NAND contains u-boot as well as a large partition where you can store a distro. |
| 11:29.41 | SomeT | ah right |
| 11:29.56 | PaulFertser | SomeT: NOR also contains a backup u-boot which can be executed in place whenever you need it. |
| 11:30.22 | SomeT | thanks for all this information |
| 11:30.52 | SomeT | i think im about ready now to put a new distro on, just been trying to make sure I understand this all 100% as aint used linux in years hence the reason i bought this phone, haha |
| 11:31.12 | PaulFertser | badcloud: yes, if you don't hold AUX during the time the device is powered on, the first "sector" from NAND is read to RAM and executed. |
| 11:31.33 | PaulFertser | SomeT: you can't "brick" the phone anyway. There's NOR for a reason ;) |
| 11:31.38 | SomeT | cool |
| 11:31.41 | SomeT | thanks again anyway |
| 11:31.43 | SomeT | gotta go |
| 11:31.43 | SomeT | cya |
| 11:32.04 | Psi | unlike my gta01, which i could brick with a single command |
| 11:32.12 | PaulFertser | I'd also strongly recommend to upgrade the GSM firmware... |
| 11:32.15 | Psi | manged to avoid it so far |
| 11:32.21 | Psi | he's gone |
| 11:32.28 | alephnull | I've set up an NFS server on my desktop and I am trying to mount a dir from there onto my FR. |
| 11:32.39 | PaulFertser | I know. But others see my "good advice" anyway :) |
| 11:33.24 | badcloud | thanks, Paul |
| 11:33.38 | PaulFertser | Psi: it's not really bricking, as i've seen reports of successful usage of wiggler-style jtag programmer with freerunner. |
| 11:33.47 | PaulFertser | Psi: or just borrow a d-board. |
| 11:34.05 | alephnull | However, when I try and mount, I get an error about not being able to read the superblock. |
| 11:34.36 | alephnull | The logs on the desktop show that the request was authenticated. |
| 11:34.48 | alephnull | (USB networking and OM 2008.12, btw) |
| 11:34.54 | Psi | PaulFertser: i have gta01 |
| 11:35.05 | Psi | but yeah, if i had a debug board i could unbrick it |
| 11:35.12 | Psi | dont have one tho :( |
| 11:35.13 | PaulFertser | Psi: my last message to you was specifically about gta01 |
| 11:35.24 | lindi- | alephnull: which version of mount? which mount command? |
| 11:35.27 | Psi | ya |
| 11:35.48 | PaulFertser | Psi: and i say i don't know of a reason why a wiggler-style jtag adapter wouldn't work. |
| 11:35.53 | Psi | i flashed uboot once to get sd booting working and that worked fine |
| 11:36.07 | alephnull | lindi-: mount host:/opt /media/hdd |
| 11:36.21 | Psi | knows nothing about jtag |
| 11:37.06 | Psi | which is sad, i really should learn. be useful with my atmega programming |
| 11:37.24 | alephnull | lindi-: I don't know the version but mount is symlinked to the util-linux mount. |
| 11:38.12 | Psi | heh, samba is working on the neo. |
| 11:38.35 | PaulFertser | Psi: i managed to get by with leds, serial and bisecting for my atmega programming ;) |
| 11:38.53 | lindi- | alephnull: -t nfs? |
| 11:39.14 | Psi | bisecting? |
| 11:39.16 | alephnull | lindi-: Yes, but it makes no difference even if I omit it. |
| 11:39.36 | lindi- | alephnull: rpcinfo -p on both sides? |
| 11:39.46 | PaulFertser | Psi: yeah, whenever something breaks or doesn't work, i comment out half of the code ;) |
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| 11:40.42 | alephnull | lindi-: I can see that portmap is running on the server. There doesn't seem to be an rpcinfo on the FR. |
| 11:40.58 | alephnull | lindi-: Similarly showmount |
| 11:41.03 | badcloud | heh, I just got k-banned from dalnet after trying to connect via pidgin |
| 11:41.21 | badcloud | apparently they don't condone connecting as root |
| 11:41.22 | Psi | PaulFertser: oh, haha, yeah. i do that too |
| 11:41.46 | lindi- | alephnull: better install those |
| 11:42.50 | alephnull | lindi-: How ? opkg list doesn't seem to have anything of interest. |
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| 11:45.03 | Psi | can you save a playlist in pythm at the moment? |
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| 11:45.15 | alephnull | lindi-: Or should I be using Debian ? I'm on OM2008.12 at the moment. |
| 11:46.40 | badcloud | alephnull, are you a dev or user? |
| 11:47.07 | alephnull | badcloud: Just a user. |
| 11:47.33 | badcloud | well, in that case, try debian |
| 11:48.08 | badcloud | better if you can use a uSD card so that you can always boot 2008.12 |
| 11:48.25 | alephnull | What I am trying to do is to flash the latest GSM firmware (11) and I don't have an uSD reader. |
| 11:48.59 | badcloud | hmmm, I've never flashed the GSM firmware |
| 11:49.46 | lindi- | alephnull: get a distro you know how to use :) |
| 11:50.42 | alephnull | lindi-: Point taken. But which distro has rpcinfo and showmount ? |
| 11:54.29 | badcloud | if my sim card works without a hitch, is there any real reason to flash the gsm firmware? |
| 11:56.13 | lindi- | alephnull: at least debian |
| 11:56.20 | alephnull | badcloud: My GSM stops working after about a day. |
| 11:56.43 | badcloud | that sucks |
| 11:57.31 | Psi | alephnull: what distro is that on? |
| 11:57.54 | alephnull | Psi: om 2008.12 (updated) |
| 11:58.34 | Psi | im running SHR and the gsm is rock stable, phone has been running for over 3 days and suspended many times |
| 11:58.35 | badcloud | how does one find out which firmware is running? |
| 11:58.47 | Psi | but, im using gta01, so different gsm chip |
| 11:58.59 | PaulFertser | badcloud: there is |
| 11:59.11 | PaulFertser | badcloud: if you didn't flashed it, do it. |
| 11:59.48 | PaulFertser | alephnull: manual method works as well as uSD image. I see no problems with that. Also you can use the FR itself to wget and dd the uSD image. |
| 12:00.22 | alephnull | PaulFertser: The image is larger than the free space I have on the rootfs. |
| 12:00.42 | alephnull | PaulFertser: It's about 230M. |
| 12:00.43 | Psi | PaulFertser: what about gta01, any reason to flash gsm in that if your not having any probs? |
| 12:01.02 | PaulFertser | alephnull: i'd do flashing the manual way, without the image. |
| 12:01.06 | alephnull | PaulFertser: And by manual method you mean using fluid ? |
| 12:01.21 | PaulFertser | Psi: yes, there is. Working flow-control and reliable resume-on-call worth it. |
| 12:01.30 | PaulFertser | alephnull: and by manual method i mean instructions on the wiki. |
| 12:01.46 | PaulFertser | alephnull: as uSD uses the same fluid.exe with the same commands basically. |
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| 12:06.38 | Thehacksss | HOLAS |
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| 12:07.33 | PaulFertser | 2^alephnull = ? |
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| 12:07.50 | Psi | PaulFertser: i dont see any gta01 gsm images on the wiki |
| 12:08.04 | PaulFertser | Psi: none exist |
| 12:08.43 | Psi | so when you said its worth flashing you meant? |
| 12:09.44 | lindi- | Psi: huh? they have the same gsm chip |
| 12:09.50 | PaulFertser | Psi: flash the gsm firmware as per wiki instructions |
| 12:10.23 | Psi | hm.. im sure i read gta02 had a different chip |
| 12:10.27 | Psi | looks again |
| 12:10.39 | lindi- | Psi: no, both have calypso |
| 12:13.10 | Psi | hm.. ok |
| 12:13.18 | Psi | sorry, must have got confused |
| 12:13.49 | Psi | what are the chances after flashing gsm i get the disconnect after 1 day issue (which i dont get now) |
| 12:14.51 | PaulFertser | Psi: what is the issue exactly? |
| 12:14.58 | Psi | i dont know i dont have it |
| 12:15.03 | PaulFertser | Psi: who has? |
| 12:15.37 | Psi | alephnull has it |
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| 12:15.53 | PaulFertser | alephnull: can you please describe your problem in details? |
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| 12:19.04 | alephnull | PaulFertser: The NFS one ? |
| 12:19.25 | Psi | the gsm dying after a day one |
| 12:20.28 | alephnull | PaulFertser: After about a day of uptime, I find the GSM has de-registered itself. Restarting fixes it. |
| 12:20.47 | Psi | its a known problem, its on the wiki under the SHR section |
| 12:21.37 | badcloud | is it possible to flash the gsm firmware locally? or does it absolutely require to be done over ssh? |
| 12:22.05 | alephnull | Psi: yeah, I'm hoping the new firmware will help. |
| 12:22.08 | PaulFertser | badcloud: no, it's possible of course. |
| 12:22.17 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:22.21 | badcloud | I'm trying now |
| 12:22.23 | PaulFertser | alephnull: deregistered permanently? |
| 12:22.30 | PaulFertser | alephnull: my guess is that gsm upgrade won't help |
| 12:22.43 | PaulFertser | alephnull: probably you have some user-space issues, what distro are you using? |
| 12:22.59 | PaulFertser | badcloud: don't forget to kill all the apps that might access the modem. |
| 12:23.08 | PaulFertser | badcloud: and ensure they are not restarted. |
| 12:23.15 | alephnull | PaulFertser: om2008.12 atm |
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| 12:23.48 | PaulFertser | alephnull: i guess that's the most probably cause for your gsm problems. |
| 12:24.20 | badcloud | Paul, done, but is it supposed to hang on 'reset target'? |
| 12:24.33 | Psi | is there a copy of the old gsm firmware around that can be flashed back if needed? |
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| 12:25.24 | PaulFertser | badcloud: after it hangs on reset target, you're supposed to use another terminal to power-cycle the modem. |
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| 12:25.35 | PaulFertser | Psi: there is. |
| 12:25.50 | PaulFertser | Psi: and the changelog is available too. |
| 12:25.58 | Psi | ok, i might flash my gta01 then |
| 12:26.26 | PaulFertser | badcloud: or you could have backgrounded the fluid.exe process (keep it running in background) and use the same terminal. Doesn't matter. |
| 12:26.32 | badcloud | cool |
| 12:26.36 | badcloud | I'm on it |
| 12:27.12 | PaulFertser | Psi: for gta01 the moko11 update is especially important because it bring proper hardware control support which is cruical because of the small UART buffer of 2410. |
| 12:27.18 | Psi | is moko X the gsm firmware version |
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| 12:27.35 | Psi | ah |
| 12:27.41 | PaulFertser | Psi: also sooner or later you'll get a 3G-compatible card which is incompatible with an old firmware ;) |
| 12:27.50 | Psi | yeah |
| 12:30.40 | Psi | PaulFertser: thanks for that |
| 12:31.30 | PaulFertser | Psi: you're welcome. |
| 12:34.52 | Psi | hm.. is the moko11 uSD image not for gta01? says 'applicable to gta01 owners' on the wiki |
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| 12:40.26 | PaulFertser | Psi: uSD image is not applicable to gta01 owners |
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| 12:42.45 | Psi | yeah |
| 12:43.39 | Psi | its just an odd way of putting it |
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| 12:49.54 | badcloud1 | gsm upgrade seems to have worked |
| 12:50.19 | Psi | thats good |
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| 13:06.01 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: You seem to be the first who performed upgrade without ssh, congrats ;) |
| 13:06.14 | badcloud | well, it's not without some glitch |
| 13:06.29 | badcloud | just before I reconnected, illume got some error |
| 13:06.39 | badcloud | no PAM or something |
| 13:06.49 | badcloud | and the screen resolution changed |
| 13:06.57 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i guess that's screenlock-related stuff. |
| 13:07.07 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 13:07.16 | badcloud | never happened before |
| 13:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: what's wrong with putting it that way? "...for GTA02 only..." |
| 13:08.58 | badcloud | maybe it just needed an additional reboot |
| 13:09.05 | badcloud | because now it's fine |
| 13:11.02 | badcloud | now, to the next blunder. does anyone here know how to properly season salmon steaks? |
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| 13:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: moko11 is recent recommended version |
| 13:12.36 | Psi | "for gta02 only" is very clear "not applicable to gta01 owners" is abit odd |
| 13:12.41 | Psi | maybe its just me tho |
| 13:13.18 | Psi | DocScrutinizer: yeah, im going to flash moko11 |
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| 13:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | yup, I agree. â¬ou hardly may apply a fw to an owner ;) |
| 13:13.38 | badcloud | so what do you think triggered the screen reso change? |
| 13:14.17 | Psi | its not the owners so much but the word applicable |
| 13:14.22 | Psi | but yeah |
| 13:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | I really wrote such crap on the page? |
| 13:15.57 | shellevil | Or GTA01 owners may also own GTA02. |
| 13:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | ack :) |
| 13:16.44 | Psi | to me the word "applicable" implys "isnt needed" |
| 13:16.58 | Psi | which may or may not be correct :) |
| 13:17.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i wrote |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, ok :D |
| 13:18.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but if you read the whole sentence, you'll see that it's "suggestion" that is not applicable. I still think it's ok to put it that way. |
| 13:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | yust wondering why for god's sake I need a day and a half for one page of text otherwise ;) |
| 13:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | that sounds more reasonable though |
| 13:18.59 | PaulFertser | Psi: applicable: "suitable for application; relevant, appropriate" |
| 13:19.24 | PaulFertser | Psi: a suggestion is not suitable/appropriate for gta01 owners. I can't see what's wrong here. |
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| 13:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | a suggestion is exactly applicable to owner only. nevertheless mwester is right :D |
| 13:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | oops, shellevil |
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| 13:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee shortage |
| 13:21.23 | Psi | its probably just the slight changes in the meaning and usage of words between countries/cultures |
| 13:21.29 | PaulFertser | Yes, but gta01 owners will know the manual way to flash and therefore they won't need an image to flash gta02 as well. |
| 13:21.57 | PaulFertser | Psi: what's your native language? |
| 13:22.06 | shellevil | puts away the sword of pedantry. |
| 13:22.06 | Psi | english |
| 13:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | moin btw |
| 13:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: my last knight ;-( |
| 13:22.56 | PaulFertser | Psi: NZ |
| 13:23.11 | PaulFertser | Psi: mine is Russian, so i guess you're right. |
| 13:24.39 | PaulFertser | Psi: i'm afraid the wiki page wasn't proof-read by a native speaker yet... OTOH i was going to restructure it a bit anyway, so that's not really needed right now. |
| 13:24.59 | Psi | kinda like the word "priority", which interestingly resulted in a plane crash because in some cultures it means "first" or "before all others" and in others it just means high priority ie near the top of the queue |
| 13:25.00 | shellevil | drops a bomb on the wiki. |
| 13:26.10 | shellevil | That raises either the 3D modelling, or the GPS accuracy - to take pics at exactly the same point - issue though I suppose. |
| 13:26.12 | PaulFertser | Psi: i think not many people always understand me even if i use my native language so i've already get used to misunderstandings :) |
| 13:26.16 | shellevil | oops |
| 13:27.02 | Psi | heh |
| 13:27.07 | PaulFertser | Psi: and to stupid typos/mistakes like s/get/got/ |
| 13:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: ?? |
| 13:27.15 | shellevil | mischan |
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| 13:27.27 | shellevil | is contemplating openstreetview. |
| 13:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | chansplit? |
| 13:27.54 | shellevil | no - I typed into the wrong window. |
| 13:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | or lack of coffee again? |
| 13:28.05 | shellevil | that'd be it. |
| 13:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | ah, at your side then ;) |
| 13:28.20 | Psi | heh, i should go, its 2:28AM here |
| 13:28.31 | Psi | see ya |
| 13:28.32 | shellevil | Psi: Night. |
| 13:28.40 | Psi | night |
| 13:28.51 | PaulFertser | Psi: good luck :) |
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| 13:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | umm, westcoast |
| 13:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: night |
| 13:30.28 | PaulFertser | Still i don't get what Psi doesn't like about not applicable suggestion. Obviously it's not needed, so what... |
| 13:31.21 | freqmod_qu | Hello, I made a mockup for a browser to run on freerunner a few months ago, that i am uploading to the wiki. I am signing an NDA forbidding me to talk about browser features in 2 years so i want to upload it before i do that. |
| 13:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: nah I think the suggestion bein not applicable is pretty ok |
| 13:31.51 | PaulFertser | freqmod_qu: do you need some wiki-assistance? ;) |
| 13:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: probably he didn't read about "suggestion" |
| 13:32.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the sentence in question is: "There is an SD-image, that greatly simplifies the whole GSM-update process - we suggest everybody who's not feeling completely comfortable with the procedure described herein use the image instead (not applicable to gta01 owners). " |
| 13:32.40 | PaulFertser | Extra comma is bad but shouldn't make the meaning less clear. |
| 13:32.49 | freqmod_qu | no |
| 13:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not completely clear whether this refers to this sugggestion or the uSD-image itself |
| 13:33.42 | freqmod_qu | I am just telling it, as i won't be touching it after i sign the NDA and get to know secrets etc. |
| 13:33.48 | shellevil | 'we suggest everyone with a GTA02' |
| 13:33.51 | shellevil | freqmod_qu: hahahahha |
| 13:34.06 | freqmod_qu | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Ombrowsemockup.png |
| 13:34.09 | shellevil | freqmod_qu: I think the default AUP on the wiki is to write a detailed page, and then never touch it again. |
| 13:34.18 | freqmod_qu | :) |
| 13:35.34 | shellevil | And unfortunately, mockups probably aren't going to do much. |
| 13:35.34 | freqmod_qu | i know |
| 13:35.40 | freqmod_qu | but i gave up openmoko a few months back |
| 13:35.48 | freqmod_qu | but i wanted to upload it while i could |
| 13:35.56 | shellevil | I'd like to say how could you, but... |
| 13:36.06 | shellevil | I'm much less active than I'd like to be. |
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| 13:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | yup, such NDA feels a little tight and nasty |
| 13:37.30 | freqmod_qu | anyway I am leaving for a dinner in a few minuttes |
| 13:37.52 | shellevil | OTOH - make a nice fast browser, that runs on my GTA01, and I'm not averse to buying one. |
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| 13:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: fast browser via plain vanilla GPRS? 8-) |
| 13:42.10 | |Marco| | dillo ? |
| 13:42.29 | |Marco| | fast, but not very pretty, don't think it has support for css |
| 13:42.34 | lindi- | I use ssh for compression |
| 13:43.14 | max_posedon | I hope opera will release version for freerunner-s someday. |
| 13:43.23 | lindi- | i hope not |
| 13:43.32 | |Marco| | max_posedon: oooh, that'd be nice |
| 13:43.44 | |Marco| | max_posedon: what about the opera-mini |
| 13:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf aup |
| 13:44.12 | max_posedon | I hate java, but as I know opera-mini works |
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| 13:44.55 | lindi- | max_posedon: what's wrong with java? |
| 13:45.09 | max_posedon | I just know, that opera developers have some success on porting opera to freerunners, but marketing still don't care about neo's. |
| 13:45.48 | max_posedon | lindi-, in short, it is crap. 1. slow. 2. memory problems |
| 13:45.59 | |Marco| | sounds like the typical corporation type thinking... |
| 13:45.59 | lindi- | max_posedon: you are talking about some particual implementation now? |
| 13:46.21 | max_posedon | lindi-, I'm talking about any jvm |
| 13:46.33 | max_posedon | it didn't returns memory to system |
| 13:46.41 | max_posedon | you can only limit memory usage |
| 13:46.57 | max_posedon | you can "eat" say 90% of RAM for a 1min, and then free it |
| 13:47.03 | lindi- | max_posedon: are you sure? |
| 13:47.38 | lindi- | that'd make an interesting test |
| 13:47.43 | max_posedon | I know that in theory you can, but in real world you can't. |
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| 13:52.30 | Shlee | I've got a nice OpenMoko.. sitting on my desk, does anyone know if I can send my OM to anybody to get it fixed? |
| 13:53.12 | Shlee | GPS, mic buzz, calypso firmware update. |
| 13:54.40 | Shlee | I might aswell flash some new OS on it |
| 13:54.47 | Shlee | Recommendations? |
| 13:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: I'm about to start some sort of service like that. where are you livivng? |
| 13:54.52 | |Marco| | Shlee: it's a developers phone at the moment.. we do it our selves |
| 13:56.28 | max_posedon | Shlee, I suggest you find some mobile phone service near you |
| 13:56.41 | max_posedon | give them all schemas, and to fix it |
| 13:56.51 | max_posedon | (about mic buzz) |
| 13:57.04 | Shlee | I don't have stedy hands :) |
| 13:57.14 | max_posedon | what about "soft" part, you can easy do it yourself. |
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| 13:58.32 | Shlee | DocScrutinizer: I'm Australian. |
| 13:59.13 | shellevil | has also been pondering such a service - but barring a FR to practice on, I'm a bit reluctant. |
| 13:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, a little bit too far away (too much paperwork with customs I guess) |
| 13:59.29 | shellevil | Also - EU only - otherwise customs issues get messy. |
| 13:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | yup exactly |
| 14:00.53 | Shlee | :( |
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| 14:05.55 | saracen_ | Has anybody ported Quake 1 to the freerunner? |
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| 14:09.32 | Shlee | I'll upgrade the firmware now and hunt the schemas for the buzz fix. Any other issues? |
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| 14:11.21 | shellevil | general poor usability due to not-finished stuff. |
| 14:11.25 | shellevil | but... |
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| 14:17.26 | saracen_ | Yay, got quake loading and playing the first demo ;x |
| 14:18.53 | |Marco| | saracen_: oh ?? |
| 14:19.03 | |Marco| | how about controlls ? |
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| 14:19.36 | saracen_ | Nothing. I haven't actually coded anything. Got got it compiling. It starts up and plays a .dem file |
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| 14:21.13 | Zorkman | saracen_: hooray :) |
| 14:21.44 | saracen_ | good news is, the demo seems to run pretty quick |
| 14:21.52 | saracen_ | But I'm confused, somebody must have done this before ;x |
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| 14:28.24 | |Marco| | damn, I wish I had a usb adapter so I could hook up stuff |
| 14:31.06 | khorben | |Marco|: http://www.lefinnois.net/wp/index.php/2008/12/26/freerunner-gta-02-fsodebian-et-mode-usb-host/ (french) |
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| 14:33.21 | |Marco| | khorben: that confirms a thought I had about a set uf adapters we sell at work |
| 14:34.34 | Dave | Marco! |
| 14:34.51 | |Marco| | Dave! |
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| 14:49.01 | Shlee | I've flashed moko11 to the calypso. What OS do you recommend? |
| 14:49.17 | Zorkman | DOS! |
| 14:49.27 | mwester | CP/M |
| 14:49.33 | lindi- | jnode |
| 14:49.38 | Zorkman | Shlee: try a few, i would suggest SHR |
| 14:49.59 | mwester | I would recommend Linux for the OS, regardless. |
| 14:50.09 | Shlee | Looking at the android. for kicks |
| 14:50.52 | Zorkman | android seemed nice to me also, but i only ran it from SD, and couldn't get it to recognize a data partition (sd-card) |
| 14:50.53 | |Marco| | Shlee: depends |
| 14:51.11 | Shlee | mwester: I've got Debian on the Xbox, Archlinux on this laptop, DSlinux on my NDS lite, SHR on my OM and angstom on my OpenPandora whenever it gets here. |
| 14:51.18 | Shlee | I doubt I can get more linux in my diet |
| 14:51.37 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 14:51.40 | Zorkman | have you tried flashing your right foot to fedora? |
| 14:51.50 | |Marco| | Shlee: I'd recomend shr-testing |
| 14:52.00 | |Marco| | stable and true, at least for me it is :) |
| 14:53.28 | Shlee | I hope this calypso actually flashed fine.. using the uSD installer |
| 14:53.35 | Shlee | it had "fail" atleast twice |
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| 14:53.47 | Zorkman | Shlee: probably siomething about bluetooth, no? |
| 14:53.55 | Shlee | nods. |
| 14:54.27 | Shlee | Makes sense.. |
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| 15:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: if uSD was green at last, it finished ok most probably |
| 15:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | err screen of uSD gsmflashing even |
| 15:04.47 | Shlee | I've been out of the loop for awhile, if I move to Qi. how do I flash the NAND? if dfu isn't supported? |
| 15:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: an initial "fail" is expected to be seen, but after 6min the screen should turn green |
| 15:05.13 | Shlee | Shlee: Yeah D O N E in green was shown |
| 15:05.23 | Shlee | so I expect it worked. |
| 15:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: U are aware of GSM fail issues with "old" Qi + "old" kernel? |
| 15:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | s/+/&&/ |
| 15:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: sorry, was meant -> Shlee |
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| 15:10.10 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 15:10.27 | Shlee | I wasn't; but I'm just interested in upgrading the new latest releases |
| 15:11.24 | Shlee | Right now, I'm running uboot with recent kernel/recent OS |
| 15:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: yup, take care you dl the cutting edge qi or kernel (or both ;) |
| 15:11.51 | Shlee | Thanks.. |
| 15:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | though switching to Qi is not a strong recommendation for now |
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| 15:13.07 | Shlee | in that case, I'm looking at developing more than using as a stable phone |
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| 15:13.18 | Shlee | and I really need that buzz fix applied |
| 15:13.46 | Defiant- | DocScrutinizer: Whats the reason not to use Qi? |
| 15:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | it has a few advantages in time it needs to boot, but a few things getting more cumbersome with qi |
| 15:14.11 | Weiss | Shlee: you boot to NOR to do DFU |
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| 15:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: Weiss: at least to do NAND bootloader flashing that's a good idea to use NOR |
| 15:17.05 | slaxxin | Qi doesnt come up from suspend afaik |
| 15:17.19 | slaxxin | white screens on my phone |
| 15:17.57 | Shlee | Id say thats a show stopper.. |
| 15:18.03 | Defiant- | Forgive my question, but what has the bootloader todo with suspend? |
| 15:18.12 | Defiant- | and works fine here |
| 15:18.18 | slaxxin | u-boot+2.6.28+shr-unstable |
| 15:18.23 | lindi- | Defiant-: doesn't it trap to bootloader on resume? |
| 15:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant-: resume is a boot basically |
| 15:19.10 | Defiant- | oh |
| 15:19.42 | slaxxin | Qi has never resumed anything for me at all |
| 15:23.29 | slaxxin | Defiant qi resumes for u ok? |
| 15:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant-: that's the reson you shouldn't use AUX for a wakeup source. Toggling AUX (here: releasing/unpress) during BL is still the programtext will most likely "panic" the device, as AUX is switching memaddr for BL-code hard and directly |
| 15:24.09 | Defiant- | uh nice |
| 15:24.24 | Defiant- | slaxxin: yes. |
| 15:24.45 | slaxxin | is your device a v5 or a v6? |
| 15:25.17 | slaxxin | would u please post your serial # for refrence? |
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| 15:25.58 | Defiant- | slaxxin: sorry, afk now, I will highlight you in maybe 20 minutes with that |
| 15:26.08 | slaxxin | cool |
| 15:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: datecode might be more interesting |
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| 15:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: fail on resume shouldn't relate on hw-revision though |
| 15:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | s/ on / to / |
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| 15:35.06 | slaxxin | so what should it relate to then? |
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| 15:48.12 | Dave | retracile |
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| 15:50.23 | badcloud | Dave |
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| 15:51.53 | badcloud | has anyone got a winning mplayer formula for normal video viewing on the FR? |
| 15:52.14 | badcloud | short of reducing the resolution to 1X1 pixels |
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| 15:54.27 | Weiss | badcloud: i haven't tried, but i suspect glamo-accelerated mplayer + an Xserver without EXA would be best |
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| 15:55.38 | Weiss | if both your xserver and mplayer are trying to control Glamo, hilarity will ensure |
| 15:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Weiss: that enables the secret 4D mode. |
| 15:56.06 | Weiss | indeed :) |
| 15:56.10 | lindi- | Weiss: wouldn't it be better to make mplayer work with xf86-video-glamo? |
| 15:56.29 | Weiss | lindi-: totally, this is on my list of "demonic dark projects" for some time in the distant future |
| 15:56.43 | lindi- | Weiss: cool |
| 15:56.48 | Weiss | mplayer should use DRI via libVA or something like that |
| 15:57.09 | lindi- | Weiss: does that need changes to Xorg or xf86-video-glamo? |
| 15:57.23 | Weiss | at the moment, we have about three separate implementations of the same Glamo command-queue handling, and it only has one command queue |
| 15:57.44 | Weiss | lindi-: i don't think it needs much more than will be implemeted in the course of the Mesa stuff |
| 15:57.45 | lindi- | Weiss: mplayer, kernel, Xglamo? |
| 15:58.08 | Weiss | mplayer, Xglamo (kdrive), xf86-video-glamo (for Xorg) |
| 15:58.22 | lindi- | Weiss: ah and kernel framebuffer does something more dumb? |
| 15:58.41 | Weiss | yep, basically that just says "here's the framebuffer address, have fun" |
| 15:58.50 | Weiss | (a teeny bit more, but not much) |
| 15:59.20 | SpeedEvil | Does any of them use the glamo-avi decoding? |
| 15:59.28 | Weiss | i suspect the contention for the command queue is what's been causing people trouble with mplayer in the past, but i haven't experimented |
| 16:01.46 | Weiss | SpeedEvil: mplayer (at least a certain version of it) uses Glamo's MPEG engine for decoding |
| 16:02.11 | SpeedEvil | IIRC one of the nasty issues is the internal video decoder can't really do display onto a window well/at-all |
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| 16:04.38 | Weiss | hmm, fullscreen only? |
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| 16:05.53 | Defiant- | slaxxin: ok, it says Revision 360, so afaik its v6 then |
| 16:06.34 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: Qi always resumed for me. |
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| 16:07.04 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: so i guess you're either using old Qi version or an old kernel. |
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| 16:07.32 | Defiant- | 2.6.28 he posted |
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| 16:12.33 | PaulFertser | Defiant-: it's already old enough to talk about. |
| 16:13.47 | Defiant- | :) |
| 16:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: huh? XXX-rated? |
| 16:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 16:14.23 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: heh :) |
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| 16:18.11 | badcloud | well, I suppose that's why there exists dvds |
| 16:18.19 | badcloud | but thanks for the rundown |
| 16:18.38 | badcloud | *that's why dvds exist |
| 16:18.45 | badcloud | Engrish today for me |
| 16:19.07 | Dave | :D |
| 16:19.27 | Dave | javisst javisst ;p |
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| 16:32.24 | TravellingGuy | Hi. Anyone know if rev. A7 is in production yet? |
| 16:32.51 | TravellingGuy | A couple of weeks ago, Koolu was taking preorders for A7 on their website. After a few days, they took that page down. |
| 16:33.13 | TravellingGuy | And Koolu isn't replying to my email inquiries about A7. |
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| 16:35.03 | PaulFertser | TravellingGuy: why do you care so much? |
| 16:35.32 | TravellingGuy | Concern about the buzz issue....which A7 supposedly fixes. |
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| 16:41.06 | PaulFertser | TravellingGuy: as does 30-minutes work of any soldering guy. |
| 16:41.27 | Dave | :D |
| 16:41.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser: if you have the components yes :) |
| 16:41.32 | Dave | shit |
| 16:41.36 | Dave | that reminds me, I need new solder :( |
| 16:44.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: a 100uF tantalum cap was pretty easy to find and i had 0603 R soldered in place of 0402 (there is enough place there, considering that the lower end should be soldered to the ground plane). |
| 16:45.06 | TravellingGuy | + $$ for his time, if you don't know someone that'd do it for free. |
| 16:45.21 | Dave | I have to resolder a mobo today |
| 16:45.32 | TravellingGuy | Regardless, if A7 is imminient, I'd rather just wait. |
| 16:45.45 | Dave | I may as well just take apart my freernner while I'm atit :P |
| 16:45.50 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i found 100uF tantalum cap too but it did not fit inside the case ;) |
| 16:46.01 | TravellingGuy | It's already close to $500 CDN for the FreeRunner. :-) |
| 16:46.03 | lindi- | PaulFertser: at least well ;) |
| 16:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: there should be plenty of 100uF of right size in your postbox |
| 16:47.37 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yep now there probably is |
| 16:48.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but before that i bought some from the local electronics shop :) |
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| 16:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: the audioRFC is going the be an awkward mess of "there shall..." notes for now |
| 16:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | quite a number of them |
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| 16:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | and that's just the system "API" spec, not a single note on usage howto yet |
| 16:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, I hope to start implementation detail notes section today |
| 17:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | s/"API"/properties/ |
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| 17:05.30 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:17.04 | slaxxin | i use the qi that is posted on the download site im very sure |
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| 17:17.28 | slaxxin | i shall try again |
| 17:18.30 | slaxxin | so use the .udfu or the .bin? |
| 17:20.34 | slaxxin | aparently im wrong |
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| 17:27.40 | slaxxin | yup my qi was old |
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| 17:29.28 | slaxxin | is the r-4 kernel too old? |
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| 17:31.49 | slaxxin | went from a white screen to black screen |
| 17:34.11 | Dave | uh oh |
| 17:34.18 | Dave | blank screen of death? |
| 17:35.44 | slaxxin | well qi would just white screen before |
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| 17:35.44 | slaxxin | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu |
| 17:35.45 | slaxxin | then i install this |
| 17:35.45 | Dave | :o |
| 17:35.45 | Dave | fix? |
| 17:35.57 | slaxxin | well i rebooted |
| 17:36.16 | slaxxin | waiting for suspend |
| 17:36.44 | slaxxin | so does the r-3 kernel work better? |
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| 17:37.33 | slaxxin | now its white screen with vertical blue looking lines |
| 17:38.03 | slaxxin | so changing to the r-3 kernel |
| 17:38.29 | slaxxin | or should i use andys kernel? |
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| 17:47.33 | slaxxin | so tell me paul which Qi do u use an what kernel? |
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| 17:50.34 | slaxxin | so the r-3 kernel came up out of suspend |
| 17:51.05 | slaxxin | so i try manual suspend |
| 17:51.10 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: I compile Qi myself from git as well as the kernel. |
| 17:51.32 | slaxxin | so all is well for me now |
| 17:52.14 | slaxxin | so is there a ftp site or someplace we can use your stuff?:) |
| 17:53.15 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: no, i'm not a developer, just compile some system-level stuff i need myself on my local pc (to be able to tweak it whenever i need). |
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| 17:54.12 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: so you downloaded the latest Qi from Andy's directory and the auto-builded kernel from downloads.openmoko.org? |
| 17:55.30 | slaxxin | i used the r-2 kernel from the shr -unstable |
| 17:55.40 | slaxxin | wait |
| 17:56.08 | slaxxin | r-3 kernel |
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| 17:56.49 | slaxxin | tempted to switch back to the r-4 kernel just to see if it white screens again |
| 17:57.30 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: the kernel naming you use is nothing but cryptic letters and digits to me ;) |
| 17:58.04 | PaulFertser | bipolar: where and why do you flood? Are you targeting world domination? |
| 17:59.43 | slaxxin | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin |
| 18:00.02 | slaxxin | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 18:00.15 | slaxxin | u see now |
| 18:01.05 | PaulFertser | slaxxin: no, i have no idea what extra patches were applied on top of 34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26. :) |
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| 18:35.38 | saracen_ | Hmm, stuck. |
| 18:36.12 | saracen_ | Got quake to stop crashing, but when it spawns a server, it cant join it. Even though it appears it successfully spawned in the background =( |
| 18:36.51 | SpeedEvil | can you join external servers? |
| 18:37.01 | saracen_ | I havent tried |
| 18:37.17 | saracen_ | Need to find a running q1 server ;x |
| 18:37.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:59.32 | azaghal_ | saracen_: You're running Quake 1 on Neo? |
| 18:59.43 | azaghal_ | Or just a serveR? |
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| 19:04.18 | Serdar | On 5th March 2009 Qt Software released Qt Extended 4.4.3. On 3rd March 2009 Qt Software announced that Qt Extended would 4.4.3 would be the last release of the Qt Extended product. Prior to version 4.3, Qt Extended was known as Qtopia. |
| 19:04.24 | Serdar | is this a typo? |
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| 19:11.38 | saracen_ | azaghal_: The actual client |
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| 19:31.56 | eolson | hmm, anyone successfully forwarded ssh over http with corkscrew or something similar? I'm trying to get ssh from the neo over gprs. |
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| 19:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 19:39.07 | azaghal | saracen_: Hm... And how well does it work? :) |
| 19:41.59 | eolson | DocScrutinizer, if that's for me, I mean I'm trying to ssh from the neo through a tmobile http proxy to my machine. |
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| 19:42.18 | PaulFertser | eolson: i forward ssh through HTTPS proxy every day. |
| 19:42.48 | eolson | PaulFertser, do you have to do anything special? |
| 19:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, http-proxy is a realy nasty thing for this purpose I'd say |
| 19:43.13 | saracen_ | azaghal: So far all it can do is play demos, it doesnt play them back too badly. Little lag. Will be nice when I can get in game :) |
| 19:43.25 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 19:43.43 | PaulFertser | eolson: i just use socat |
| 19:43.55 | eolson | PaulFertser, ok, thanks. |
| 19:44.26 | PaulFertser | eolson: In fact, my setup is more complex as i forward my ssh over corporate proxy and then over ssl connection to my home https apache/proxy and then to actual sshd. |
| 19:44.40 | eolson | DocScrutinzer, yeah, I agree |
| 19:44.50 | PaulFertser | eolson: Feel free to ask for details if you need it. |
| 19:45.09 | eolson | If I setup my own proxy, is it likely that tmobile will have it blocked and I can only access their proxy? |
| 19:45.14 | PaulFertser | eolson: or, no, it's even more complex. I have cntlm proxy running locally to be able to use my corporate proxy. |
| 19:45.52 | eolson | I have the cheapest plan U.S. data plan, email not allowed, etc. |
| 19:46.35 | PaulFertser | eolson: You better ask tmobile users about that. But as a general rule, if you can do https to gmail or any other site, you'll be able to get ssh to anywhere (but some effort or additional server might be needed). |
| 19:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | eolson: tried running your sshd-server on port80? |
| 19:47.44 | eolson | PaulFertser, ah, thanks. Is it necessary to use openssh instead of dropbear? |
| 19:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | or even port 443 |
| 19:48.21 | eolson | DocScrutinizer, not yet, I expected them to block everything, but I'll try it |
| 19:48.32 | PaulFertser | eolson: no |
| 19:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | well there's only a limited set of criteria they can filter on |
| 19:49.09 | PaulFertser | eolson: do they require you to use a proxy? Can you easily connect to https://gmail.com ? |
| 19:49.09 | SpeedEvil | deep pocket inspection. |
| 19:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:49.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hah, can you inspect ssl? |
| 19:49.23 | Dave | :o |
| 19:49.33 | Dave | Hey, stay out of my pocket! |
| 19:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 19:50.13 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: they might in theory block HTTP CONNECT that looks like ssh traffic. But if you wrap it in ssl, it can't be reliably distinguished from regular https usage. |
| 19:50.48 | SpeedEvil | yeag |
| 19:50.59 | PaulFertser | BTW, i've some WPA network nearby with ESSID "admin". Has anyone tried "rainbow" tables already? |
| 19:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | so 443 |
| 19:51.31 | PaulFertser | Dave: hehehe :) |
| 19:52.56 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: fyi proxy used in ms-based systems (i guess it's called ISA Proxy) allows HTTP CONNECT only to 443 and some aim-shit IIRC. So 80 is out of question. |
| 19:53.51 | PaulFertser | wonders why is it so easy to chat about trivial things on IRC instead of doing something more useful... :-/ |
| 19:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | err, I thought of sshd listening to port 443 |
| 19:54.25 | Dave | Paul, I think it's built into the irc protocol :P |
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| 20:02.16 | eolson | ...compiling socat on neo takes a long time (I'm still doing configure :) |
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| 20:04.44 | eolson | saracen_, quake 1 -- very cool. Do you know the framerate you're getting? |
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| 20:09.44 | eolson | PaulFertser, I'm not sure about https://gmail.com, I'll have to check (waiting for webkit and midori packages to compile instead of getting my feeds straightened out) |
| 20:10.36 | PaulFertser | eolson: what about wget? |
| 20:10.47 | eolson | wget said it's not an http or ftp url |
| 20:10.51 | PaulFertser | eolson: do they require you to use a proxy? |
| 20:11.01 | PaulFertser | eolson: ah, stupid busybox wget... |
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| 20:11.36 | eolson | PaulFertser, I "think" they require a proxy. I haven't verified it in any way other than it was the only way I got web pages when I first set it up |
| 20:11.38 | PaulFertser | eolson: you can use openssl s_client to test btw. |
| 20:12.02 | PaulFertser | eolson: so they supplied you with the proxy name and port, right? Try telnetting to it. |
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| 20:13.30 | PaulFertser | eolson: and issue "CONNECT https://gmail.com HTTP/1.0" iirc |
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| 20:14.03 | eolson | yep, proxy name and port, yep...ok trying |
| 20:14.43 | PaulFertser | eolson: press enter twice after that |
| 20:16.38 | eolson | ok, I got short html with title:COMVERSE and body "internal error request". then closed connection |
| 20:16.59 | eolson | so: 400 Bad request |
| 20:18.51 | PaulFertser | eolson: i guess i got the syntax wrong |
| 20:19.39 | eolson | woops, i forgot the ending HTTP, etc. I'll try one more time |
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| 20:22.17 | PaulFertser | eolson: probably it should be "CONNECT gmail.com:443 HTTP/1.0" |
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| 20:25.12 | eolson | ooh, terminal has a cut and paste , trying again |
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| 20:25.30 | SomeT | hi |
| 20:25.34 | SomeT | i need some help, lol |
| 20:25.47 | SomeT | i just messed my freerunne rup |
| 20:25.52 | SomeT | trying to flash it |
| 20:26.00 | SomeT | reason why i was trying to put android on |
| 20:26.09 | SomeT | and forgot to increase the size of u-boot |
| 20:26.22 | SomeT | so because I believe i am not advanced enough yet |
| 20:26.34 | SomeT | would FYP be a wise choice to try and get on my phone |
| 20:26.42 | SomeT | as that just says you can use neotool? |
| 20:26.56 | SomeT | my main question being would I still have to modify u-boot on this one? |
| 20:28.10 | SomeT | surely i will not have to reset uboot aswell after this failed flash because that is automaticall backed up in nor right? |
| 20:28.42 | ndnihil | I doubt you'll find automatic backups |
| 20:28.43 | eolson | PaulFertser, I still got an html message with "internal error internal error in ail.com:443. I'm going to install wget and try that |
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| 20:33.31 | SomeT | how do i reset u-bbot? |
| 20:33.37 | lindi- | SomeT: reset? |
| 20:33.40 | SomeT | will it have actually been messed up anyway? |
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| 20:33.47 | SomeT | from me trying to install google android |
| 20:34.32 | PaulFertser | eolson: take a look here: http://rafb.net/p/EOdfcf68.html |
| 20:34.38 | SomeT | ? |
| 20:39.29 | SomeT | actually my question is silly i think |
| 20:39.32 | SomeT | please ignore |
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| 20:53.36 | eolson | PaulFertser, hmm, openssl seems to hang no matter which url I put in |
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| 20:54.20 | eolson | If it's just blocked, will socat still work? |
| 20:57.23 | PaulFertser | eolson: you're not supposed to use openssl to connect to the proxy. It's only my proxy that is special. |
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| 20:58.28 | eolson | ah, ok |
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| 21:11.00 | eolson | PaulFertser, ok, i finally got the http connect to work to gmail:443 |
| 21:11.33 | PaulFertser | eolson: so just setup your sshd to listen on 443 port (or use some dnat) and use socat on FR. |
| 21:12.17 | eolson | PaulFertser, ok great! thanks for the help |
| 21:22.15 | badcloud | jeez, how the crap do you remove a buddy in pidgin?? |
| 21:24.05 | kirun | I'm guessing, it's in a right-click menu? |
| 21:25.42 | badcloud | right click on a FR??? |
| 21:31.27 | Serdar | what is mokoko? |
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| 21:35.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03cylee 07org.openmoko.stable * r8ae7e8b1014e 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: openmoko.conf: update sources mirror URL |
| 21:35.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03cylee 07org.openmoko.stable * r35503b7edcea 10/packages/juce/juce_1.29.bb: juce_1.29.bb: update om sources mirror URL. |
| 21:35.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03cylee 07org.openmoko.stable * re1ae0a4e141c 10/packages/udev/udev_118.bb: udev_118.bb: update PR since om init script updated. |
| 21:35.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03cylee 07org.openmoko.stable * rfe186f08ad8d 10/packages/udev/udev-static-devices.bb: udev-static-devices.bb: update PR since postinst script updated. |
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| 21:46.00 | tomboy64 | badcloud: point on it and hold it, i'd say |
| 21:46.12 | tomboy64 | that's usually for a right click |
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| 21:47.20 | badcloud | tried it just no |
| 21:47.21 | badcloud | w |
| 21:47.24 | badcloud | nothing |
| 21:47.53 | badcloud | there should be some file which has the buddy list on it |
| 21:48.06 | badcloud | I'd edit it if I knew the location on the file system |
| 21:48.51 | kirun | I thought the server usually stores it... |
| 21:49.12 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 21:49.45 | badcloud | grrr, that means I'll have to login through the mobile gtalk site |
| 21:49.49 | badcloud | and remove them there |
| 21:51.27 | badcloud | what about the buddies for irc? |
| 21:51.37 | badcloud | those aren't stored in any server |
| 21:51.42 | badcloud | *on |
| 21:53.15 | kirun | I've never added a buddy for IRC, but for most Yahoo/MSN/Jabber/ICQ at least, if I've added on one machine, I can see them on all machines |
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| 21:54.47 | badcloud | and how have you removed one, kirun? |
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| 21:56.05 | SomeT | i just installed FYP |
| 21:56.08 | SomeT | and it keeps crashing |
| 21:56.14 | SomeT | is this normal? |
| 21:56.17 | kirun | I normally just drop them in an idiots folder and put them on stealth |
| 21:56.26 | SomeT | especially when i open fenic browser |
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| 21:57.08 | kirun | I have kopete on this box, not pidgin, so I can't say what the exact command is |
| 21:57.52 | badcloud | nutsack |
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| 22:17.12 | saracen | Finally loaded in game... Ok. It is slow. ~5-6fps. |
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| 22:25.48 | eolson | saracen, are you running 320x240? (although I'm not sure 320x240 works easily) because anything that continuously changes 640x480 pixels on the neo (both freerunner and gta01) will probably be slow. Maybe the 3d acceleration guys can come up with improvements that help, but possibly nothing will help. |
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| 22:26.11 | eolson | . o O (ok, back to the kids) |
| 22:27.41 | saracen | It's no running in 320x240, no. =( |
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| 22:28.52 | Psi | what game you running? |
| 22:29.06 | saracen | Quake 1 |
| 22:29.12 | Psi | heh |
| 22:29.54 | saracen | bah, whats the native res of the openmoko |
| 22:30.01 | Psi | 640x480 |
| 22:30.07 | Psi | or 480x640 |
| 22:30.12 | Psi | :) |
| 22:30.12 | saracen | I just attempted to change to 320x240 and its gone all weird again |
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| 22:33.27 | jessica_lilly | hey i have a htc elf and im wanting to run openmoko on it, is this possable |
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| 22:34.32 | Dave | ooooh |
| 22:34.42 | Chocky | och |
| 22:34.42 | Dave | cute and elf |
| 22:36.54 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r283dbec9f6f4 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: install posixextra file (stuff submitted for inclusion upstream) |
| 22:36.55 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcd45d64f4470 10/fsodeviced/vapi/posixextra.vapi: fsodeviced: remove posixextra.vapi; included in fsoframework |
| 22:37.25 | jessica_lilly | is that a yes Dave ? |
| 22:37.30 | jessica_lilly | im sick of windows mobile |
| 22:38.05 | Dave | haha, aren't we all ;) |
| 22:38.11 | Dave | Actually I have no idea if it's possible, jess. |
| 22:38.20 | Dave | But it'd be really great if you could try it out. |
| 22:38.39 | Dave | How is the HTC you have though? good otherwise? :P |
| 22:38.55 | jessica_lilly | yeh nice apart from windows mobile |
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| 22:39.51 | ndnihil | eh, its quirky enough on hardware it was developed for, getting it to run on an alternate platform like that is going to take a lot of work |
| 22:40.08 | jessica_lilly | why can i only find stuff about freerunner on the wiki i thought it was for most devices |
| 22:40.26 | PaulFertser | jessica_lilly: does a good kernel for your device exist? |
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| 22:41.08 | PaulFertser | jessica_lilly: if yes, any efforts on using FSO on it are appreciated (and devs will help you for sure). |
| 22:41.21 | Dave | right :) |
| 22:41.35 | Dave | for example, I liked that I could run enlightenment/illume on my palms :D |
| 22:41.42 | jessica_lilly | ill do my best to get it running but my knowledge on mobile drvices is very limited |
| 22:42.01 | PaulFertser | jessica_lilly: it's no different. Once you have a kernel running. |
| 22:42.26 | jessica_lilly | well im a gentoo user so my linux knowledge isnt bad |
| 22:42.27 | PaulFertser | jessica_lilly: i mean programming modern devices comparing to PCs. |
| 22:42.36 | Dave | :) |
| 22:43.02 | Dave | sonds good |
| 22:43.10 | jessica_lilly | so yeh where do i go from here |
| 22:43.41 | Dave | apt: summon raster |
| 22:43.41 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing raster's coordinates |
| 22:43.57 | ndnihil | find a means of flashing images to/from the phone would be my first step |
| 22:44.53 | mickeyl | recommends joining #htc-linux and helping the android-centric guys to work on more standard kernels, then flashing FSO and SHR on top of the new kernel |
| 22:45.11 | PaulFertser | jessica_lilly: listen to mickeyl ;) |
| 22:46.10 | Dave | kinky :p |
| 22:46.46 | ndnihil | if only someone made an open analogue of the FR to the bosch motronic 7.x series ECU |
| 22:47.06 | ndnihil | would be in gadget heaven |
| 22:48.51 | araknos | boys, is there any way to run gta02 below 200 mhz |
| 22:48.51 | *** join/#openmoko rooly (n=CAC@12.151.197.98) |
| 22:48.52 | araknos | ? |
| 22:49.04 | araknos | no cpufreq, no uboot patch |
| 22:49.05 | jessica_lilly | i guess he dont want me help then :P |
| 22:49.18 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc2a6fd1bd1b5 10/fsogsmd/ (23 files in 7 dirs): fsogsmd: add build skeleton |
| 22:49.26 | mickeyl | i said all i can |
| 22:49.30 | mickeyl | * mickeyl recommends joining #htc-linux and helping the android-centric guys to work on more standard kernels, then flashing FSO and SHR on top of the new kernel |
| 22:49.49 | mickeyl | these guys should know about the current level of support for your device |
| 22:49.49 | jessica_lilly | mickeyl i was refering to araknos addressing irc as boys :P |
| 22:49.50 | Dave | hehehe |
| 22:50.02 | mickeyl | ah, nevermind then |
| 22:50.14 | araknos | jessica_lilly: hu, sorry didn see ya |
| 22:50.20 | Dave | :P |
| 22:50.31 | PaulFertser | araknos: not yet, there was some patch for cpufreq, but unfortunately it's not uptodate... |
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| 22:50.39 | araknos | damn |
| 22:50.56 | jessica_lilly | araknos no worries i couldnt help anyway :P im just messin' |
| 22:51.05 | Dave | harass cesarb |
| 22:51.21 | Dave | tosses a freerunner at jessica |
| 22:51.27 | araknos | PaulFertser: is it still doable at uboot level? |
| 22:51.33 | rooly1 | has a headache |
| 22:51.42 | araknos | will ever be a way to do it? |
| 22:51.55 | PaulFertser | araknos: do you want to run only cpu or other devices too? |
| 22:52.01 | PaulFertser | araknos: what are you trying to archive? |
| 22:52.08 | araknos | 60mhz speed |
| 22:52.16 | Dave | rooly! |
| 22:52.22 | araknos | no bluetooth, no usb, no vga |
| 22:52.27 | Dave | :o |
| 22:52.29 | rooly1 | yo |
| 22:52.32 | PaulFertser | araknos: ah, then it's doable i guess. |
| 22:52.45 | rooly | sighs |
| 22:52.59 | PaulFertser | araknos: i suggest you to clone Qi sources, it does underclock CPU when it sees the battery is low, iirc. |
| 22:53.09 | Dave | offers rooly one of his cookies |
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| 22:53.21 | rooly | eats it, but he doesn't feel better |
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| 22:54.11 | Dave | Aw, do you want a hug, rooly? :P |
| 22:54.13 | araknos | PaulFertser: tnxxxxxx |
| 22:54.29 | PaulFertser | araknos: hth |
| 22:56.56 | rooly | no |
| 22:57.53 | PaulFertser | araknos: look at http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg06632.html some code you're looking for was removed by this patch. |
| 22:59.22 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf25fee3b3fc2 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: make it build |
| 22:59.47 | PaulFertser | araknos: or changed. All in all, i guess now you know everything needed. :) |
| 23:06.17 | araknos | PaulFertser: i see 200 and 400 here, nothing below those speeds |
| 23:06.43 | PaulFertser | araknos: but i guess you see the idea what to tweak. |
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| 23:08.12 | PaulFertser | araknos: I understand that you need S3C2442 docs to really do what you want, but i'm afraid i can't help you here :( |
| 23:08.15 | araknos | i see, just using this patch as is |
| 23:08.38 | araknos | and letting it start at 200 no matter what |
| 23:10.40 | Dave | poor rooly |
| 23:10.48 | rooly | what |
| 23:10.51 | rooly | i have a headache |
| 23:11.10 | rooly | grumbles morbidly |
| 23:11.51 | PaulFertser | araknos: in fact i misread your first message, thought you wanted to run it lower than 400 MHz, sorry for giving a false hope. |
| 23:11.58 | Dave | :O |
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| 23:16.38 | araknos | PaulFertser: in the patch you gave me i dont realize at which speed is d |
| 23:16.43 | araknos | the device set |
| 23:17.12 | araknos | in case battery_condition_reasonable is not true |
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| 23:27.27 | araknos | 01:13 -!- batti [n=batti@blfd-4db0e583.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read |
| 23:27.33 | araknos | upz |
| 23:27.59 | araknos | k found, it seems the device magically starts at 200mhz anyway |
| 23:28.17 | araknos | and gets boosted at 400 if batt condition is reasonab;e |
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| 23:32.10 | Psi | is there a list of dfu error codes and what they mean? |
| 23:32.51 | Psi | i keep getting "dfu_download error -110" "Unable to read DFU status" |
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| 23:43.42 | araknos | the processor datasheet is available freely anyway |
| 23:49.02 | shellevil | It's not |
| 23:49.31 | shellevil | Or rather, it's only available to those that samsung deem qualify |
| 23:49.39 | shellevil | else, url, or it diddn't happen. |
| 23:51.31 | araknos | http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/S/3/C/2/S3C2440.shtml |
| 23:53.51 | araknos | shellevil: ? |
| 23:54.55 | shellevil | hmm. Is 2442 simply 2440 with added RAM in package? |
| 23:55.14 | shellevil | I was tired, and diddn't think to search beyond 2442 |
| 23:56.21 | shellevil | afk |
| 23:59.12 | *** part/#openmoko mlaze (n=mlaze@109.81.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) |
