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00:01.38Araknostill cant find anything on uboot
00:03.16mmontourArakno: have you tried the on-line help in u-boot? "help" for an overview, "help s3c24xx" for details on that command, etc.
00:03.53mmontourI don't have access to a device right now so I can't check it for you
00:03.59Araknoi read qi and uboot
00:04.05Araknodonnu what to  pick
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00:10.13Araknomhm looking into uboot source
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00:24.08Araknoman how can i pass the freq command
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00:27.44CIA-54freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd9e4eb4ee1c3 10/docs/ogsmd/qualcomm_msm/ (commands urcs): docs: document some more qualcomm commands, remove some standard ones
00:36.48nihil_in df-util, -U (upload) specifies read firmware, write to <file>
00:36.58nihil_but wouldnt that be -D (download)?
00:37.18nihil_just wondering if they got it backwards in the -h
00:37.36mmontour"-U" is from device to host PC, "-D" is from PC to device. Don't use "-U".
00:37.52nihil_why not use -U?
00:38.00nihil_I was going to backup the image it came with before flashing a new one
00:38.20mmontourIt's buggy in older u-boot versions
00:38.33nihil_this is a fairly new phone, just showed up today
00:39.05mmontourThe other reason is that there's really no need to keep the original rootfs image.
00:39.16nihil_habit
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00:39.55CIA-54freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfcef0f458e6b 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/commands: docs: document TI Calypso SAT commands
00:40.01mmontourThere is a "factory" partition that should be preserved (has unique MAC addresses and such) but you can access it from Linux.
00:40.33nihil_I'm just reading through the df-util wiki page now, haven't even decided what I want to flash it with yet
00:40.45mmontourCheck your u-boot build date - if it's newer than November 2008 (approx.) then dfu-util -U should work
00:42.03nihil_what is the popular dist for an in-use phone that is being developed on/for?
00:42.16nihil_the fat and dirty doesn't look too bad
00:42.35nihil_but I see SHR mentioned a lot
00:42.37mmontourSHR seems to be the general consensus for new users, but try a few and pick one that you like
00:42.59Araknommontour: how i access the bootloader console from ssh?
00:43.10nihil_cant from ssh
00:43.27nihil_with it powered off, hold aux and power it on
00:43.44mmontourYou can't. "screen /dev/ttyACM0" or similar (USB-serial emulation) when the phone is booted into u-boot
00:43.54nihil_my uboot is 1.3.2-moko12, may 09, 2008
00:44.35mmontourAlso remember that there are two copies of u-boot, one in NOR and one in NAND (different button-press sequence to select each one)
00:44.49nihil_oh really?
00:44.56nihil_nifty
00:44.56mmontourwiki has details
00:45.16nihil_reading it now, all I saw was the aux+power
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00:45.50mmontouraux-first is NOR, power-then-aux is NAND
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00:46.12nihil_noted, thanks
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00:57.43Araknocan you help me out? i donnu how many times i have to press the aux button for "Set console to USB" uboot option
00:57.52Arakno(no vga)
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01:32.00Arakno_GTA02v6
01:32.11Arakno_on my device i only get 200mhz 400mhz and 600mhz
01:32.13Arakno_:s
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02:31.05nihil_so ah, how does one unlock the screen in FDOM?
02:35.53Zorkmannihil_: don't know, it's been to long, but there will probably we something to slide/move or try pressing aux
02:36.13nihil_tried several gestures and button press combinations
02:36.18nihil_yanked the battery
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02:36.30nihil_FDOM is brutal with boot time
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02:54.20nihil_dfu-util is very handy
02:54.38nihil_much easier then copying stuff between sd and flash via uboot
02:54.49nihil_manually
03:02.32Chocky:o
03:03.13nihil_howdy chocky
03:03.49ChockyI choose the default profile in SHR, and now I have no toolbar :o
03:03.57nihil_doh
03:04.07nihil_I'm flashing the latest OM at the moment
03:04.20nihil_FDOM had a lot of stuff, but was unbearably slow
03:04.29nihil_and I couldnt figure out how to unlock the screen
03:06.21gurugentooChocky: delete ~/.e and reboot
03:06.43Chockyaye, I'm sure.  just sayin'
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03:12.43nihil_new OM looks more like a bare FDOM, is there an easy way to get the older UI back? I rather liked it
03:12.51Chockyheh
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03:13.52ChockyI was going to comment.  I kind like SHR, and the fundamentals, and toolbar.  but I'm not so hooked up on the launcher - just an alphabetical list of programs.  A Qtopia or Android display would be better, and allow a background image.
03:14.05ChockyTempted to write such a thing if there isn't an obvious alternative
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03:31.15ZorkmanChocky: please do :)
03:32.01Zorkmanwhile you're at it, implement some notifications of missed calls/new sms/appointments...
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03:32.16ZzzZzZorknight
03:32.46Chockyhum
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03:36.54nihil_does usb networking come up under a different subnet with om2008.12?
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03:40.56Chockyit's possible. But it wouldn't matter much
03:41.12Chockysince there's only one host to talk to.
03:44.31nihil_it doesnt appear usb networking is coming up at all
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04:01.21billwell now
04:01.46billwasssup
04:02.08billspeak dave
04:02.22Chockyapt speak Dave
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04:02.26Chockyapt beat Dave
04:02.27aptACTION relentlessly beats Dave over the head with a Louisville Slugger
04:02.34Davemeep meep
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05:36.21vancelhas anyone gotten gsm0710muxd working with the 2008.12 distro yet?  I keep getting an error.
05:39.50vanceloh well.... back to it. :(
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05:47.02mwesterWhy?????
05:47.34vancelme?
05:55.20mwesterYeah.
05:55.36mwester2008.12 is dead.
05:56.08vancelnone of the others seem to be stable either.
05:56.31mwesterTrue.  But at least some others have some promise!
05:56.51vancelthe best so far was qt-extended, but they don't use an X11 screen so all the good apps don't run.
05:57.03vancelFDOM was garbage.... very buggy.
05:57.18nihil_going through the same thing here
05:57.30vancelI was thinking about FSO, but they say they aren't ready for prime time yet and recommend not installing.
05:57.33nihil_currently have qtopia on there
05:58.20vancelwhat I want is simple.... I want to have a phone.  I want to use GPRS for remote web browsing, and I want to have a good GPS program (tangogps fits the bill).
05:58.36vancelI can have the phone without GPRS, which means tangogps can't download maps.
05:59.32vancelI am a developer, so I do plan on eventually getting involved in one or more of the projects, but I want to become intimately familiar with the phone and software before I try to work on any of the projects.
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06:00.36vancelnihil, I like qt-extended, but no GPS.  gsm and gprs worked, but there is no good gps app.
06:00.52nihil_yeah
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06:01.04nihil_I think im going to try shr next
06:01.06mwesterSH
06:01.11mwesterSHR, rather.
06:01.34nihil_been through OM it shipped with, new OM, FDOM, and qt
06:01.51mwesterAnd there's little point in learning the 2008.12 distro, as it's pretty much dead-end; SHR is built on FSO, which is the foundation going forward.
06:02.51vanceldo they have gsm/gprs and I can install tangogps?
06:02.57nihil_I'll probably end up with debian on it
06:02.58vancelif so, I'll install that right now.
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06:03.12nihil_like everything else I own
06:03.18vancelI honestly don't even care if wifi works right now.
06:03.23vancelI'm a fedora girl.
06:03.33nihil_I need the wifi to work
06:04.02vancelI figure if gprs works, I don't need wifi just yet.  I've never had a phone that works with wifi, so it's not something that I've been using.
06:04.35mwestervancel:  there's no distro that's 100% working yet.  SHR will just have different stuff working and different stuff broken from other distros.  What you have to look at is where the distro is going, if anywhere -- Android remains remarkably "pseudo-open" and non-linux-in-spirit, qt extended/qtopia stalled, 2008.x was stillborn, debian is not a phone, FSO is a foundation, zhone is a test program, which really leaves SHR as the only show in town.
06:04.44nihil_wifi is much faster than gprs
06:05.24vanceltrue, but you can't get wifi while you're driving down the freeway.
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06:06.11vancelmwester, I know.  I just want those 3 things.  I figure that's about 60% working to have those 3.  :)
06:07.33vancelhave any of you run into the problem where your usb devices (keyboard/mouse) completely bork when you're running dfu-util?  I think it may have something to do with how close I had the phone to my mouse, because it's more stable if I put it farther away, but it just seems strange.
06:07.46vancelI basically have to just leave my computer alone while I'm flashing my phone
06:08.45nihil_not here
06:09.02nihil_but then I've got it attached to a laptop
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06:10.49vancelWhy doesn't anyone update the openmoko wiki with that info (about the distros)?  Or is that not the common consensus?
06:11.30mwesterThis is open source -- there is no such thing as consensus.
06:11.47mwesterThe wiki article was put together, clearly, by a debian fan.
06:11.48vanceltrue
06:12.07mwesterIt's also very dated, and tries to be somewhat politically correct.
06:13.24vancelthat sucks.
06:14.32mwesterWell, it sucks that's it out of date.  It's probably reasonable that a wiki be somewhat careful not to needlessly offend those who have invested a lot of work in various distros.
06:15.07vancelI've read that the Qi bootloader is eventually going to replace u-boot, but it takes away the pre-boot menu....?  is that the case?
06:15.43mwesterI, on the other hand, am just one opinion -- so you'll have to judge for yourself on the distros (but I think you'll agree after you've spent some time with them all)
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06:15.51mwesterQi does lack a boot menu.
06:15.51vancelthe wiki says that FDOM uses the Om2008.x repositories, so I tried an opkg update and opkg upgrade.... completely hosed my phone.
06:16.15vancelwill SHR work with u-boot?
06:16.15mwesteropkg upgrade is a very bad idea on any distro; it's far too early in the dev cycle.
06:16.22mwesterSHR loves u-boot.
06:16.25vancelsweet
06:16.48vancelu-boot is the one thing I don't think I want to risk.
06:17.08nihil_uboot isnt too bad to upgrade
06:17.08mwesterWorks with Qi too, but the core SHR team is very sensitive to keeping the kernel size small enough, by default, so that you don't even need to edit the uboot environment.
06:17.11nihil_havent tried it on this phone
06:17.23nihil_but it was fairly painless on another device
06:17.34mwesterupgrading uboot is a snap; and perfectly save on the FR... unlike some other devices ;)
06:17.42vancelis reading about SHR on the wiki.
06:17.44mwesters/save/safe/
06:17.54nihil_is downloading shr images
06:18.15vanceldo you have any problems backing up your current image?  I've had some issues and my backups don't go back on the phone very well.
06:18.32mwesterI don't backup anything, it's not a useful thing to do I've found.
06:18.35vancelnot to mention that I put on a 55MB image, and immediately do a backup and get a 250MB file.
06:18.38nihil_havent tried, as I was advised against it with a uboot earlier than nov '08
06:18.51mwesterYou can't backup with dfu-util; it's broken.
06:19.11nihil_can always just dd the image to sd card and scp it out
06:19.14mwesterBoot from SD card if you need backups.
06:19.30vancelthat sucks, I was hoping to backup my working (with gprs) qt-extended to mess with other distros and just re-flash when I'm done so I have all of my settings in-tact.
06:19.54vancelI completely hosed one SD card trying to follow the instructions provided.
06:19.56mwesterI have qt-extended on mine, and SHR on the Sd card.   Or maybe the other way around.  
06:19.59mwesterNo problem.
06:20.18mwesterHow do you host an SD card?
06:20.19vanceldoes the SD absolutely have to be partitioned?
06:20.33mwesterOf course.  Just use fdisk
06:20.45vancelI did, my system wouldn't recognize it any more after I did that.
06:20.58nihil_what are the differences with the glibc-ipk version of shr?
06:21.12mwesterURL?
06:21.19nihil_http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
06:22.36mwesterthere's basically the standard and "lite" version, and then the tar.gz (for sd card) and the jffs2 version.  That's all that's useful (I don't know who ever uses the .nosummary version)
06:22.58mwesterThe short name ones are just sym links to the long-name equivalents.
06:23.14mwesterCheck the date and size and you can match them up.
06:26.03vancelI assume that since SHR is built on FSO that the services app from the FSO site will work with SHR?  Also all of the X11-based apps will work as well?
06:27.30mwesterMore or less.
06:28.21vancelto expand on nihil's question, what's the difference between the lite and non-lite images?
06:28.38nihil_about 20M
06:28.40nihil_;)
06:28.47mwesterJust more packages pre-installed on the standard image.
06:28.50vancelof course, but functionally?
06:28.59vanceldoes SHR multiplex the gsm device?
06:29.07mwesterYes
06:29.10vancelsweet :)
06:30.13mwesterBTW, note the date on the testing images -- if you can live with "bleeding", the "bleeding edge" versions might have some of the bugs and limitations addressed.
06:30.59nihil_waits for shr to flash
06:31.11vancelOk, on a different topic... the wiki makes it seem like a total pain in the behind to get set up for development.... is it really that difficult?
06:31.21Psihm.. is there a guide for getting SHR to run off the sdcard?
06:31.45nihil_psi: qt has a guide for it, should be the same for any other dist
06:31.58nihil_s/the same/similar/
06:32.04Psii tried the qt quite once, with qt extended and it wouldnt bott
06:32.06nihil_stabs apt
06:32.06Psi*boot
06:32.12Psi*quide
06:32.14Blu3psi, install your filesystem to your card, then boot by holding the top option button in, then hold the power button until it powers on
06:32.29Blu3then use the top option button to scroll to the SD card in the menu
06:32.57Psiits the changing of the mounts and stuff that i had problems with
06:33.17mwesterslides off his chair and goes to sleep...
06:33.29vancels/different/completely different/
06:33.33vancellol
06:33.36vancelplays with apt
06:33.55nihil_it doesnt do the trailing conditions
06:34.03nihil_s/trailing/your momma/ig
06:34.13Psiwhat files need to be changed when moving a os from the built in flash to the sdcard?
06:34.19nihil_fstab
06:34.28Psianything else
06:34.56nihil_qt mentions some qt specific files
06:35.02nihil_I assume similar applies to the other dists
06:35.08nihil_fstab should get it booted
06:35.21nihil_then look for errors
06:35.21Psiok, thanks, ill give it another go
06:35.51vancelwaits for rootfs SHR to flash
06:36.03nihil_is about 1/3 the way through it
06:37.19nihil_I wonder if work is going to notice the hugely increased data charges
06:37.48nihil_I swiped the sim and tf/sd cards from my company brokeberry
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06:47.23nihil_woot done
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06:55.12nihil_great
06:55.18nihil_shr breaks usb networking it seems
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06:56.22nihil_wb
06:56.28vancel_my usb keyboard died while I was typing a message and loading my SHR image.
06:56.38vancel_so I had to reboot when it was done.... hopefully the image flashed ok.
06:57.03nihil_sounds like you have a screwy usb hub
06:58.47vancel_I have to say that out of the box I like the SHR interface better.
06:59.02nihil_its not horrible
06:59.10nihil_but I think I liked the one the phone shipped with better
06:59.33vancel_yeah, but that one had nothing.... I think it was Om2007.x
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07:00.22vancel_hmm... it doesn't recognize my SIM.
07:01.02nihil_tried the mofi app?
07:01.05nihil_I had the same thing
07:01.26vancel_oh, there it is... had to go into the settings -> gsm, and it's magically there now.  
07:03.27vancel_hmm... no... it's not... "sos only"
07:03.27nihil_usb networking didnt work on first boot of shr, but works fine now
07:03.34vancel_did you reboot?
07:03.45vancel_I saw a message saying "usb0: unknown device"
07:03.51vancel_during boot
07:04.45nihil_yeah, second boot was fine
07:05.09vancel_Did the display speed up?  it's horribly slow scrolling.
07:05.17nihil_only slightly
07:05.22nihil_its not as smooth as qt
07:05.56vancel_right now it's so clunky that if it's even close to qt I'll be happy.
07:06.16nihil_give it a fresh boot
07:06.35vancel_rebooting now. :)
07:07.20vancel_2nd boot was a lot faster too.
07:07.30nihil_yeah
07:07.39nihil_no module configuration
07:09.26vancel_still says no SIM card..... hmm... I'll try re-seating the SIM.
07:10.08slaxxeryikes
07:10.10vancel_that startled me... I thought I left the chat
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07:12.58nihil_ugh
07:13.04nihil_giving me a no sim error again
07:13.28vancelI just got a "can't connect to dbus" error.
07:14.52slaxxeru guys have new mokos?
07:15.09nihil_yup
07:15.11nihil_just came today
07:15.29slaxxerat&t sims?
07:15.34nihil_yep
07:15.39nihil_in my case anyway
07:15.55nihil_worked fine with most dists
07:15.59nihil_but having issues with shr
07:16.18slaxxersome of the phones have a sim/gsm firmware malfunction
07:16.25vancelyes, and mine has worked fine with qt, Om2008.12, and FDOM.. until I started trying to get gsm multiplexing to work.
07:16.54vancelI've been able to make calls from my phone with other distros with this sim
07:16.59nihil_same here
07:17.04nihil_calls and SMS in both directions
07:17.59nihil_blows on the sim as if it were an 8bit nintendo cartridge
07:18.13vancelhehe
07:18.51slaxxerive never tried that an i have never had the gsm/sim problem except for when i first got it     the sim # was 71234  i think  an the contactacts were so far to 1 side   that the clip was shorting to the contact on the sim    but the sim worked fine in all other phones
07:19.36slaxxeratt switched the sim  an all has been well
07:19.42nihil_mine is one of the 3g fireball types
07:19.55nihil_73000 I think
07:20.03vancelmy original SIM didn't work, so I got this one and it has worked fine.  Mine was from a brand new batch that the shop had received.
07:20.34slaxxeri guess u switched the kernel right?
07:20.43nihil_yep, been through several now
07:20.48vancel71247D 2024  3G in a blue fireball.
07:20.55vancelI just installed the SHR kernel.
07:21.03nihil_same here
07:21.11slaxxeran rebooted?
07:21.24nihil_yup 4th reboot now
07:21.35slaxxeru get no bars?
07:21.36nihil_it even came up once on this dist
07:21.39nihil_no bars
07:21.49nihil_no at&t logo now
07:22.13nihil_had like -84dB signal
07:22.31nihil_and now ive got bars
07:22.44vancelmine gets bars, but no AT&T logo.
07:22.59nihil_mine switches between cingular and at&t
07:23.18slaxxeri guess u can brick the gsm if u are not careful during the firmware flashing procedure
07:24.19slaxxerflash 2007.2 back on to see if it works?
07:24.38vancelkernel or the whole thing?
07:24.51slaxxerif it does   u proly need the firmware upgrade
07:26.03vancelbut go back on just the kernel or the whole image?
07:26.31nihil_able to make an outgoing call
07:27.53nihil_no outbound sms it seems
07:28.16vancelI get bars, message on top that says "sos only" and in the GSM settings it says registration is denied.
07:29.41vancelmaybe my usb malfunction messed up the rootfs flash... I'll try it again without touching my keyboard...  so bbiab
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07:31.55nihil_heh, I just crashed enlightenment
07:32.27doc|homepffft
07:32.35rasterpppfffftttt!
07:32.35doc|homeshow us something we haven't all seen :)
07:32.57doc|homeraster: probably does that 60 times a second
07:33.02nihil_hah
07:33.08doc|homestupid tabcomplete-auto-insert-of-colon
07:33.49rasteractually e is stable for me
07:33.54rasterif it wasnt... it'd be fixed
07:33.59rasteras i eat my own dogfood
07:34.08nihil_raster = rasterman?
07:34.25doc|homeraster: I meant dev work of course :)P
07:34.28doc|home-p
07:34.33rasterno
07:34.37rastereven durign dev work
07:34.43rasterits pretty stable
07:34.50rasterits rare it segvs while doing dev
07:35.04rasterand when i'm not fiddling with it it stays rock solid
07:35.16rasterruns for days and weeks on end
07:35.43raster(and it only restarst that often because i actually turn my pc off at times to save power or i restart e when upgrading it or libs)
07:36.29nihil_did it again...
07:36.52rasterthe illume module definitely could have some bugs
07:37.03rasterbut core e itself - is pretyt solidly segv free
07:37.06raster(for me)
07:37.28nihil_wtf
07:37.34nihil_oh
07:37.36nihil_heh
07:37.40nihil_my message came through
07:38.14nihil_ooh and another e crash
07:38.15nihil_this is fun
07:38.36nihil_adding/removing the top shelf widgets appears to anger the moko
07:39.47nihil_thank you phone, may I have another!?
07:45.22nihil_needs to learn to stop wiping dust/lint off the screen when it isnt locked
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07:48.25vancelI do the same thing.
07:48.31vancelmy image just finished flashing.
07:48.44vancelbut I need to reboot since it always destabilizes my USB.  :(
07:48.45vancelbrb
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08:01.52vancelstill no gsm
08:02.27nihil_damn
08:03.28vancelit always says "no service" before I go into the gsm settings, then I can do SOS stuff.
08:03.38nihil_what do you get when you go to settings->gsm->modem info?
08:03.43vancelwhat was that person talking about updating the firmware?
08:04.27vancelwhen I go into the GSM, it always says "loading 3 modules"
08:04.54vancelrevision?
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08:06.09vancelrevision: HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8
08:06.35vancelmodel: Neo1973 GTA02 Embedded GSM Modem
08:07.04vancelAt this point it says "unregistered" but if I click on "operators" it switches to denied.
08:09.27nihil_strange
08:09.33nihil_mine came back after a couple boots
08:09.38nihil_and has been consistent
08:09.41nihil_after that
08:09.59vancelwell, I've only rebooted once since that last reflash.
08:10.06vancelI'll try again.
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08:14.34vancelonce it started working, did you have to go into the gsm settings to make it work?
08:14.44vancelor did it just work on reboot?
08:15.31nihil_not sure, I did go into gsm settings right after boot, before it had initialized
08:16.00nihil_but now it comes up on boot the past 2 or 3 times
08:16.02vancelbut once it worked, it worked without any action after that?
08:16.03vancelok.
08:16.05nihil_I'll boot it again and see
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08:18.56vancelinteresting.. now mine says Cingular, but it says "can't connect to dbus"
08:19.17vancelmaybe I just needed to reboot a few times.
08:19.40nihil_well, mine has booted but no gsm now
08:20.16vancelnow for my test.... I always test by calling my voice mail.
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08:21.38vancelok, it worked.  :)
08:21.43vancelis happy
08:21.44vancel:)
08:22.20nihil_rebooting mine again, it didnt come up
08:23.12vancelcontacts is giving an error.
08:23.16vanceldid yours work?
08:23.24nihil_didnt try
08:23.36nihil_but I have a work call atm
08:23.37nihil_brb
08:24.50vancelk
08:24.56vancelrebooting to see if gsm comes up automatically.
08:30.54vancelnow it's back to SOS only.
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08:39.59nihil_no rest for the ninja
08:40.06nihil_ninjii?
08:41.00Guest6325wtf
08:41.10nihil_gay
08:41.17nihil_some fucktard registered my nick
08:42.03Guest58333uh
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08:42.21ndnihilwhat kind of bleeding fucking faggotry is this
08:42.43Psiyay, got gta01 to boot SHR from sdcard.
08:43.01Psinow i have more than 3MB freespace
08:46.30ndnihilhrm
08:46.34ndnihilback to phone
08:46.47ndnihilI get no gsm unless I go into settings->gsm after boot
08:49.16ndnihiland it cant make up its mind whether it wants to be cingular or at&t
08:49.42ndnihilpsi: sd cards are cheap
08:49.53ndnihilwhy only 3M left?
08:50.04ndnihilthe 01 not have as much space as 02?
08:50.34Psicorrect
08:50.58ndnihilI wonder when 03 will come out
08:51.10Psigta01 only has 64mb
08:51.17ndnihils/when/when\/if/g
08:55.34ndnihilkernel modules are the same before and after
08:55.40vancelI got my gsm to register once, and it hasn't since.
08:58.11vancelmaybe blowing on the sim was the trick.
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08:58.28ndnihileh, only works after going into gsm settings
08:58.34ndnihildont even have to do anything while in there
08:58.40ndnihiljust open it up and it registers
08:58.45vancelbut at least it's working for you.
08:59.00ndnihilgive it a blow, see what happens
08:59.05vancelit looked different when it recognized the sim and when it doesn't.  The interface has more stuff when it recognizes it.
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09:00.31vancelno matter what happens on this boot, it's bed time.  I can barely keep my eyes open.
09:00.39ndnihilheheh, not far behind you
09:01.31vancelit's 3am, and I have somewhere to be at 10am.
09:01.39ndnihil04:00 here
09:01.56Psi10pm saturday here
09:04.07vancelstill no gsm... SOS only.
09:04.17vancelI'm off to bed.
09:04.20vancelseeya
09:04.22ndnihilnight
09:14.28ndnihiland now dbus errors...
09:15.02ndnihilyet it works
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09:16.40Psihm. where can i find  libxt6 (>= 1.0.5) and gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14)
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09:16.55ndnihiland there's a strange file named '0                                                                      "
09:16.58ndnihilin my /
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09:46.20flohackWhen adding labels to an elementary table, how can I make the label centered vertally within a row, without increasing the size of the row when resizing the container of the table?
09:48.12ndnihilhrm
09:48.16ndnihilthinks I found a bug
09:48.26flohackAnd how can I set the size of an elementary icon to a fixed size? In pixels or some other absolute measure?
09:48.39ndnihilkeep getting a file in / named "0                                                                      "
09:48.51ndnihilthat contains /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
09:49.02ndnihilhave a feeling that was supposed to be echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
09:49.43ndnihilvs echo /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on > /0
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10:06.06mickey|tooEarlyflohack: try #edevelop, it's more on-topic there
10:06.11mickey|tooEarlyand you'll find more experts
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10:08.21flohackmickey|tooEarly: Thanks! I'll ask them.
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12:25.50badcloudchello everyone
12:29.45badcloudcould someone tell me what I'm overlooking? I'm trying to go into usb host under shr testing (Feb 8 I think)
12:30.19badcloudI've tried both gui's and the instructions on the wiki
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12:42.58badcloudnm, got it to work now
12:43.16alfatangoxtave
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12:57.53Dave:x
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14:01.52baba_meloneHi
14:02.24baba_meloneI hvae recently developed an application that allows the control of any X server via gestures of the neo
14:02.45baba_meloneThere are now two modes available:
14:03.03baba_meloneIn the first mode, it controls the up, down, left and right button
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14:04.36baba_melonein the second mode, which I have implemented for Live for speed, the alpha of this game is freely available and playable under wine, the application puts the mouse cursor to th middle height of the screen and the width is dependant on how far the neo is rotated around the z axis
14:04.57baba_melonedo you think this app is a good idea and do you have any feature requests
14:05.22baba_meloneI will release it soon and maybe upload a demonstration video to youtube soon
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14:13.37azaghal_baba_melone: Kind of a wii remote?
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14:20.01novalis_Are the "can't boot with empty battery" problems fixed in the 2008.12 release?  
14:23.38rooly1novalis_: that's a hardware issue, not a soft
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14:24.55Fishpersonnaly, I can boot with an empty battery
14:25.01Fishand even without battery
14:25.17Chockyit was compounded by certain u-boot versions.
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17:26.19niclonegllin segmentation fault @%#!!
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18:19.59JaMahi, my opkg says that xf86-video-glamo has no files installed.. is it right?
18:20.39JaMathe same with xserver-xorg-extension-glx, both from experimental OM repository
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18:27.10SpeedEvilniclone: Just use the source. :/
18:28.13Keroparoli-launcher.py 190 Launcher ERROR    Error from app I/O : 'elm_list_window' object has no attribute 'elm_obj'
18:28.35Kerodownloaded fso-paroli today, running paroli from git
18:28.58mirko-paroliKero: which git revision do you havE?
18:29.04mirko-paroliI am heavily changing things
18:29.15mirko-paroliso right now it might be tricky to run p from git
18:29.53Keronasty Q. I removed .git dir because it was the easiest way to let scp -r not run out of space :)
18:30.09mirko-paroli:)
18:30.12Keroslightly over half an hour ago
18:30.51mirko-paroliI am rewriting the launcher as we speak, so I can't check i/o right now, but will as soon as I have the button back ;)
18:31.07KeroI got it for three of the 4 apps
18:31.17mirko-parolihmm not good
18:31.25mirko-parolisounds like i forgot to push sth
18:31.59mirko-parolihmm should be all up
18:32.12Keroyou'll be around later? then we can sort things out, going shopping now ;)
18:32.21mirko-paroliKero: yeah sure, sounds good
18:32.26mirko-parolithen I can finish the launcher
18:32.42Kerook, ttyl
18:32.46mirko-parolithx
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18:46.48badcloudso, what's shakin these days?
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18:47.54badcloudmore like stirred in here...
18:48.35FirefighterBlu3hehehe <- lunching
18:48.55badcloudgood apetite
18:52.03badcloudman, i can't get over the fact that I'm using both a usb keyboard and 500gb hd with my phone
18:52.37badcloudI'm listening to flacs and grinning my fucking face off
18:53.24shellevil:)
18:54.11badcloudbest buy ever
18:54.45badcloudnot to mention this phone has become my main computer :P
18:55.08shellevil:)
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18:56.22badcloudstill trying to configure debian on uSD without usb networkin to it
18:56.40badcloudproving very difficult
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18:58.32ndnihilyou're going to go blind using this thing as a primary screen
18:58.47ndnihilbut I agree, very cool gadget
19:00.57ndnihiljust wish I could figure out this gsm not initializing/cant connect to dbus issue
19:01.44mwesterAre you using qi for your bootloader?
19:01.48ndnihilnope
19:01.50ndnihiluboot
19:01.54mwesterok.
19:02.18ndnihilsomeone last night was having the same issue
19:02.48ndnihilI didnt see the cant connect to dbus error until I reflashed with the same image I was using before when it worked (kinda)
19:04.40ndnihilfound one bug where someone got vars backwards, but cant reproduce it now
19:04.47ndnihilecho 0 >
19:04.48ndnihil<PROTECTED>
19:04.52ndnihilended up doing
19:04.55ndnihilecho /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on >
19:04.56ndnihil<PROTECTED>
19:06.24ndnihilwell, it was /0 with enough trailing whitespace to pad it to the length of /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
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19:07.41DocScrutinizerouch
19:08.14ndnihilall I get after a fresh flash of the same image is "cant connect to dbus"
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19:09.34ndnihil(seen when entering settings->gsm, after noticing that gsm modem is not initializing/registering)
19:10.38ndnihilwith the previous flash, gsm wouldnt init, but by going into settings->gsm it would start
19:11.05ndnihilgoing to give it another clean flash and see what happens
19:12.53ndnihilI did get the same image from two different places, but the md5 matches between them
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19:14.05DocScrutinizerbadcloud: connected to homestereo or via headset?
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19:29.22spaetzndnihil: need to wait until frameworkd is fully up before it can use the dbus stuff
19:29.32spaetzcan easily take 90-120 sec after X started
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19:29.42spaetzcheck frameworkd.log
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19:29.49ndnihilit came up much faster on a previous flash
19:29.53ndnihilof the same image
19:30.30ndnihilits not coming up at all with the flash I was using up until a few minutes ago
19:30.34ndnihilbooting new flash of same image now
19:31.14ndnihileven after waiting 5-10 minutes it gave me the 'cant connect to dbus' in settings->gsm
19:32.15ndnihilsomeone last night was having the same issue
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19:33.36spaetzstill check frameworkd.log :)
19:33.48ndnihilwill do
19:33.59ndnihilimage in question is SHR testing
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19:35.09faltantornillosHi. Is it a way to disable autosuspend permanently or temporary n shr appart from the graphic interface? pls
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19:51.36ndnihilreflashed, and it comes up after going into settings
19:51.49TAsnhey, where's the opkg cache at? I'm afraid to say I forgot.
19:52.59ndnihilit seems to make a difference whether you have the USB cable in while it boots
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19:58.20devilshawkHello, i have a problem with SHR-unstable, i am not able to receive sms at the moment. Is this problem known? is there some way to fix it?
19:58.41badclouddoc, headset
19:58.43ndnihilhttp://blog.shr-project.org/2009/03/time-for-testing.html
19:58.44lindi-devilshawk: did that use frameworkd?
19:59.14ndnihilThis is going to cause lots of things to break. Don't expect to be able to write SMS or edit contacts...
19:59.21ndnihil^in reference to unstable
19:59.37ndnihilI was able to send SMS with testing, but having other issues with that
19:59.50devilshawklindi-: yes frameworkd, funny thing is if you look in frameworkd log it stops collecting anything after receiving the sms and ophonekitd reports a broken dbus connection
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20:02.58lindi-devilshawk: does frameworkd throw python backtrace?
20:03.16devilshawklindi-: no
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20:03.48devilshawklast thing i see in the log is "Receive IdleState, status = busy"
20:03.59devilshawkand there it hangs
20:03.59lindi-devilshawk: can you run http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/dump-sms?
20:04.11DocScrutinizerlindi-: got the components?
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20:04.35lindi-DocScrutinizer: not sure yet, i just got back from lapland
20:05.34lindi-DocScrutinizer: i'll visit my work place some day next week and see if the mail has arrived
20:07.06devilshawklindi-: the script just hangs
20:07.29devilshawklindi-: ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.17:/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
20:08.33spaetzdevilshawk: a couple people reported broken sms receiving
20:08.42spaetznobody has details though
20:08.44devilshawklindi-: root      1487  0.2 16.4  61752 19908 ?        SLsl 11:12   1:33 python /usr/bin/frameworkd
20:08.57lindi-devilshawk: you hit my bug :)
20:09.11spaetzyour bug??
20:09.26lindi-a bug which i reported ;)
20:09.33lindi-devilshawk: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348
20:09.33spaetzahh, k
20:09.43devilshawklindi-: as you see frameworkd is still around
20:09.52lindi-devilshawk: "provide a way to debug framework when it goes to a state where it does not respond to dbus"
20:10.08lindi-devilshawk: can you answer calls?
20:10.15devilshawklindi-: funny thing is i sometimes get the same state when i get called and the other side hangs up
20:10.45devilshawklindi-: no phone still reacts to calls so but i do not see or receive them
20:11.04lindi-devilshawk: yeah so it does not respond to dbus
20:11.16lindi-devilshawk: can you reproduce this always?
20:11.32devilshawklindi-: yes, every sms does the trick
20:11.38lindi-devilshawk: good
20:11.52lindi-devilshawk: can you start frameworkd from terminal so that it does not become a --daemon?
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20:12.39devilshawklindi-: another funny thing i noticed is, that it is not enough to kill frameworkd, but you have to restart the dbus service or the newly started frameworkd cannot register its calls
20:13.06lindi-devilshawk: dbus-daemon?
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20:13.23devilshawklindi-: yep
20:13.33lindi-devilshawk: are you sure frameworkd died?
20:13.49spaetzyep, that's always the case, not only when frameworkd dies
20:14.07spaetzrestarting frameworkd always requires me to restart dbus too
20:14.14lindi-spaetz: sounds like a bug
20:14.19spaetzyep
20:14.24lindi-spaetz: did you kill gsm0710muxd?
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20:14.40spaetznope, not touched the muxer
20:14.41lindi-spaetz: my gsm-watchdog kills gsm0710muxd and frameworkd to restart them
20:14.45lindi-spaetz: you need to kill it
20:14.53spaetzahh, that might be it
20:15.44devilshawklindi-: ok started frameworkd from the console, now what?
20:16.35devilshawklindi-: dump-sms states:21:15:15 cbMessagebookError org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'disabled'
20:16.55lindi-devilshawk: did you register to gsm network?
20:18.09ndnihilhrm, back to getting the "/0                  <lots of whitespace>" file
20:18.11devilshawklindi-: nope! is there a handy command for that or should i just use ophonekitd
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20:32.18Chockydamn bible bangers at the door
20:32.38Chocky"Jesus died for your sins".  "Just because you say it doesn't make it true"
20:32.39Chockyfnar.
20:33.06ndnihil"no, jesus died from excessive blood loss"
20:33.38mjr"What? Whyyyyy? I don't want anyone to die for me. What was he, on drugs or something?"
20:33.45Chockymaybe, but I suggest you don't have good evidence for that :p   If the story is to be believe, then dehydration and exposure
20:34.18ndnihileh, those nails would have had to have sealed pretty well to string it out that long
20:34.29Chockynaw, clotting
20:34.45Chockytrue, infection from rusty nails wouldn't help
20:34.57ndnihilall the pictures I've seen showed the nails as pretty thick
20:35.18Chockyyeah, but the bleeding wouldn't last
20:35.30Chockyand if it did, it'd be a lot shorter than 3 days
20:35.33ndnihilmeaning large holes, and with gravity playing into it, the holes will remain "fresh" for quite a while
20:35.44Chockyhm.  
20:36.04ndnihillong enough to bleed someone to death at least
20:36.05Chockyanyway,
20:36.10Chockystupid woman
20:36.10ndnihilindeed
20:36.24ndnihilwhich one?
20:36.37Chockylives in a conversative part of the county
20:36.47Chockythe bible banger.  she was like 90
20:36.51ndnihilah
20:36.55cjbndnihil: god.  wait, you didn't know god was a woman?  :)
20:37.04ndnihileh, at least she's getting some excercise
20:37.13ndnihilcjb: god is my dog
20:37.25cjband dyslexia is your copilot?
20:37.32ndnihilno my actual dog
20:37.37Chockywoof
20:37.39ndnihilI've never met a more benevolent creature in my life
20:37.50Chockynot the god of the old testament then.
20:38.07ndnihilnah, new school
20:38.20Chockyah, that one's merely jealous.
20:38.24Chockyand apathetic
20:38.34ndnihiland farts a lot
20:38.40Chockybeans
20:39.02ndnihilso are the additional modules of any use in shr testing?
20:39.08ndnihilhttp://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
20:39.11ndnihilthat modules pack at the top
20:39.20Chockyyeah, dunno.  so confusingly organized
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20:39.40ndnihilI did notice that wifi isnt working
20:39.44Chockyheh
20:39.47Chockynothing new there
20:41.19ndnihilhrm
20:41.24ndnihiluntars it over / and reboots
20:41.51devilshawklindi-: did you have any similar problems just when calling somebody? i sometimes get the same hang on call release, call itself works without problems
20:42.06lindi-devilshawk: all dbus method invocations fail
20:42.06spaetzndnihil: if you untar the imagr.tar.gz you get the whole shebang. no need for more modules
20:42.21ndnihilalready have the rootfs in place
20:42.35ndnihilthis is an additional archive of kernel modules
20:42.46ndnihilnot sure if its any different than whats already in there
20:42.49lindi-devilshawk: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.GetVersion  is an easy way to detect this condition
20:44.24devilshawklindi-: but sometimes they do succeed, otherwise i could not call anything or do i misunderstand something?
20:44.58lindi-devilshawk: sometimes frameworkd goes to a state where it does not respond to dbus
20:45.09lindi-devilshawk: if you have a reliable way to trigger this bug then we have hope we can fix it
20:45.27lindi-devilshawk: and yes, running any dialer should register to network, like zhone
20:45.31devilshawklindi-: yes just send me an sms
20:45.32ndnihillindi: you work on shr?
20:45.59ndnihilnot sure who to report bugs to
20:46.05devilshawklindi-: had it working for 3 minutes and received a call => dead again
20:48.24devilshawklindi-: get the following on starting frameworkd from console, missed it last time: &/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters
20:48.24devilshawk<PROTECTED>
20:51.45spaetzthat warning is harmless
20:52.08spaetzndnihil: trac.shr-project.org
20:53.15devilshawkdevilshawk: ok, have to go soon if i can provide anymore information speak up
20:53.36Keromirko-paroli: no git changes, yet? :)  I do not understand the python stacktrace that I get for my error. Line 190 is not responsible for the output. I know neither python nor enlightenment, so I'm gonna need a little help...
20:54.10mirko-paroliKero: I am still trying to understand why I don't get the launcher back up
20:54.25mirko-parolibut I'll make a fresh checkout and see about what you found
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20:59.04mirko-paroliKero: do you launch from within the paroli folder? in scriptS?
21:01.14Keroyes
21:01.49Kerowhich is called "paroli", not paroli-launcher as on http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/
21:02.12mirko-paroliah yes, Charlie renamed it
21:02.16mirko-parolione sec I'll change the page
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21:15.27mirko-paroliKero: can you do a new checkout?
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21:19.07Kerosure
21:21.33Kerojust new-line complaints in `sh build.sh`, that's an improvement, too.
21:21.56Kerobut still: paroli-launcher.py 190 Launcher ERROR    Error from app I/O : 'elm_list_window' object has no attribute 'elm_obj'
21:22.11mirko-parolihmm..
21:22.13mirko-parolimom
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21:24.44mirko-paroliKero: what command do you use to run p ?
21:24.50mirko-parolipython ./paroli ?
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21:29.44mirko-paroliKeron, do a python ./paroli --cfgfile paroli.cfg
21:30.00mirko-paroliif you only want to check what p looks like
21:31.15mirko-paroliif you want to register on the network etc do a python ./paroli --cfgfile ../data/paroli.cfg
21:31.27mirko-paroliKero, sry missspelled your name
21:31.42Keronp :)
21:31.58mirko-parolithe problem is, that you have the old apps still in your /usr/share/paroli folder
21:32.00Kerothe diff between the config files is nicely indicated on the web page.
21:32.22mirko-paroliif you don't specify the config file it will try to load the old apps, which don't match the rest of the code you are using
21:32.30Kerohm...
21:33.40Kerothat helps...
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21:35.06WeissMMM Xorg without EXA is "nice"...
21:36.20Kero`opkg remove paroli` also helps... had totally not expected that from the 3rd line on http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/parolicfg/
21:40.45Keroof course, the app that was working, now has a black screen (Tele)
21:42.06Keroafter playing with config a bit, I get a complaint that alarms can not be used "[...] not allowed to own the service "org.tichy.notification" due to security policies in the configuration file"
21:42.50Keroand People has some encoded data behind it in the launcher but otherwise shows no people (should it retrieve contacts from SIM?)
21:43.38Keronm, no SIM inserted.
21:43.56mirko-parolilots of questions ;)
21:44.04mirko-parolitele is black because the edj file is missing
21:44.19KeroI did find the SMS I receoved earlier. Q, what database did that end up in? did paroli do that, or dbus framework, or something else?
21:44.24mirko-parolimy migration was not complete
21:44.40mirko-parolipim is still our own in-house solution
21:44.47mirko-parolipyhton-pickly
21:44.49mirko-parolipickle
21:45.05mirko-parolias soon as opimd is avail I'll switch to that
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21:48.24Kerousually has lots of questions when things start getting interesting ;)
21:48.46Chockywell, Android build is bust
21:48.51Chockyrandom Java errors
21:49.11Chockyframeworks/base/core/java/android/widget/TwoLineListItem.java:31: error 2: Error reading file for include "" packages/apps/Phone/res/layout/dialer_list_item.xml
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21:49.26Chockyand lots of warnings, although those seem to be documentation related
21:49.44Keroanother Q, I do not see tests in the repo; you have plans to add some, I hope?
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21:50.17mirko-parolihmm, I am running out of resources
21:50.30Chockymirko-paroli.clone()
21:50.35mirko-parolithere is lots of things I'd love to do, but probably won't get around to :(
21:50.52mirko-parolibut if you are ambitious there is lots of room in the repo :)
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21:51.07mirko-paroliChocky: the world would not thank you ;)
21:51.23ChockyThe world is not my concern, just OM ;-)
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21:52.13mirko-paroliChocky: nice answer :)
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22:01.06Keromirko-paroli: time is always scarce... I don't know yet. My neo is finally getting into a usable state, so I want to do *something*, most likely in the agenda area.
22:01.27mirko-paroliwhat's the agenda area ?
22:02.13Keroan app or set of apps that helps me plan appointments, reminders and related stuff.
22:02.23mirko-paroliah ok
22:02.30Kerowhen I'm in a meeting, it can switch off my neo for me.
22:02.42KeroI'm too lazy to do that myself :)
22:03.03mirko-parolihehe
22:04.09KeroI suppose I should indeed start w/ the app. Would it be useful to bild that on paroli?
22:04.29mirko-paroliI think so, yes
22:05.24mirko-parolithink p takes care of a lot of stuff that you'd otherwise have to do yourself
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22:06.32mirko-paroliand I think lots of people would be very happy to have such an app, including myself of course :)
22:06.47Kero:)
22:07.58Kerodoes paroli try to abstract enlightenment? I would not expect so, as GUI toolkits have a tendency to be incomplete when you try to.
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22:08.37mirko-paroliKero: I created some elm classes which I use for all my apps, but you can access elm directly without any p abstraction
22:08.53mirko-parolii just didn't want to rewrite the list stuff all the time
22:09.26DocScrutinizermirko-paroli: hey :-)
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22:09.33mirko-paroliDocScrutinizer: hej doc
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22:09.42mirko-parolihow r u ?
22:09.49Kerosounds like a sensible approach.
22:10.46DocScrutinizergetting my breakfast coffee recovering from another 24h cold and headache. so... basically well
22:10.57mirko-paroliDocScrutinizer: hehe
22:11.11mirko-paroliam pondering on getting myself a coffee ... but Beer is tempting too
22:11.38DocScrutinizerlater on maybe ;)
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22:12.52DocScrutinizerdiscussing my plans to fix alsa&scenario for good, with paul
22:13.01mirko-parolihehe
22:13.10mirko-paroliten alc wouldn't be advisable :)
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22:13.40DocScrutinizernah, paul went to sleep now
22:14.11DocScrutinizerhe's sth like 2TZ ahead
22:14.28mirko-paroliso 1 am
22:14.36DocScrutinizerduh
22:14.37mirko-parolihmm
22:14.47mirko-paroliok that is not too early :)
22:15.12DocScrutinizereven -1h tomorrow on wakeup
22:15.34mirko-parolitime is a b****
22:15.36mirko-paroli:)
22:17.30DocScrutinizermirko-paroli: how can you be 2TZ ahead of me?
22:17.47mirko-paroliah no, I am not
22:17.53mirko-paroli2 TZ ahead == 1am
22:18.06DocScrutinizerahh :D
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22:19.08DocScrutinizerso 1 am != so I am
22:19.18mirko-parolihehe
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22:20.43SomeTthis may sound stupid
22:20.53SomeTbut i am trying to figure out how to install a new distro on openmoko
22:21.06SomeTi tried in windows vista earlier and ended up getting the blue screen of death
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22:21.24SomeTi am finding the wiki more orientated towards linux distro's so am finding it very difficult
22:21.28badcloudyou don't have a maching running linux?
22:21.31SomeTwithout installing a new distro on my pc
22:21.33mirko-parolishies away
22:21.35SomeTi do kinda
22:21.42SomeTi have a live cd with back track 3 on
22:21.50SomeTand a eeepc with crappy xandros linux, lol
22:21.52badcloudyou could always boot from a livecd
22:22.31SomeTdo u think back track is a good enough distro to do it in then from a live cd?
22:22.43DocScrutinizerconsiders testing xandros with dfu-util
22:23.04badcloudworth a shot, right?
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22:23.21badcloudI'm not familiar with back track
22:23.30DocScrutinizerhehe, eeepc from TPE
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22:25.46DocScrutinizerhi mickeyl :)
22:27.03mickeylevening
22:27.11mirko-parolihi mickeyl
22:27.13SomeTback track is
22:27.21SomeTwww.remote-exploit.org
22:27.30SomeTthere was actually a port made for openmoko
22:27.35SomeTbut its really hard to get hold of
22:28.17SomeTbetween the linux distros though
22:28.27SomeTis there any reason one would not flash and other wudnt
22:28.32SomeTthis is the main thing thats confusing me
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22:29.27badcloudyou're trying to flash that on the fR?
22:29.49SomeTfr?
22:30.06SomeTno
22:30.07SomeTlol
22:30.11SomeTsorry im a bit drunk
22:30.20SomeTno that would be silly, lol
22:30.31SomeTthere was a ported/cross compiled version made
22:30.34SomeTcalled neopwn
22:30.40badcloudah
22:30.40SomeTbut the person who made it stopped selling it
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22:31.33solar_george<SomeT> AFAIK there's no reason it shouldn't work, you could try the ubuntu livecd and apt-get install dfu-util if it doesn't work
22:33.40SomeTi tried dfu-util on windows earlier
22:33.41SomeTlol
22:33.51SomeTi got the blue screen of death for the first time in 12 years, haha
22:34.08DocScrutinizerbadcloud: which type of headphones?
22:36.10DocScrutinizerSomeT: so this parody of an OS revealing it's true nature again? ;D
22:36.34SomeTyeah
22:36.39SomeTi never seen it on xp
22:36.43SomeTsuprised i got it on vista
22:36.47SomeTactually no im not, lol
22:36.50SomeTvista is shit
22:37.02SomeTi only started using windows more because i started to move around a lot more
22:37.07SomeTbeing homeless and everything
22:38.45DocScrutinizervista the OS for the homeless?? 8-/
22:39.34SomeThaha
22:39.50SomeTwell i live in a hotel at the moment
22:39.58SomeTwas going to move again this month
22:40.08SomeTbut might be moving to america for a few month
22:40.41solar_georgehi people, does anyone have the problem (and hopefully the solution as well) that SHR testing doesn't show the names of contacts (from the sim) in SMSs, only the telephone number?
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22:50.14solar_georgeany clue anyone?
22:51.23roolysolar_george: its pretty simple
22:52.23roolyyour carrier probably prepends, say, a 1, to the senders number. the contact checking method is rather simple meaning it only checks for exact matches
22:54.28solar_george<rooly> it works correctly in zhone (debian) - does that have a better matching system then
22:54.53roolywhen did i say that
22:55.21solar_george<rooly> that was meant to be a question
22:56.21solar_george<rooly> I meant that the name appears correctly in the zhone UI under debian and was asking if zhone did the matching differently
22:56.31roolyic...that brackets confuse the issue. anywho: it very well might, solar_george. i can't say myself since you're telling me that debian's zhone does something i've not witnessed
22:56.53roolybut thats because i don't use zhone on debian
22:58.17solar_georgei'm pretty sure its the same in all the recent distros which use zhone, maybe its a framework thing?
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23:57.27solar_georgeok after playing around I've discovered that this (SHR messages only display phone number not contact name) is not a framwork issue as zhone on the same distro does show the name - any ideas
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23:59.05spaetznot implemented...  ?(i think)

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