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| 01:06.18 | lymeca | So if my FR running SHR testing is asleep and someone calls, will it wake up automatically? |
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| 02:13.57 | rooly1 | is satisfied |
| 02:14.03 | rooly1 | i had my first real meal ove here |
| 02:15.53 | slaxxin | where are ya rooly |
| 02:17.51 | rooly1 | my appartment in MS |
| 02:24.01 | slaxxin | oo i was thinking ya moved to china or something |
| 02:24.06 | slaxxin | lol |
| 02:24.42 | Chocky | slaps lol. |
| 02:24.55 | slaxxin | olo |
| 02:25.15 | slaxxin | hows ha |
| 02:27.00 | rooly | how about loil |
| 02:27.05 | rooly | 'lash out in laughter' |
| 02:27.11 | rooly | 's what the joker does |
| 02:27.22 | Chocky | very good. |
| 02:27.36 | rooly | its an old typo of mine that i figured was too good to give up |
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| 02:47.13 | SeligArk1n | whoops |
| 02:52.53 | rooly | what now |
| 02:53.01 | rooly | \= |
| 02:53.04 | rooly | damnit |
| 02:53.19 | rooly | can't see the keyboard and my page keys are in non-standard places on this laptpo |
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| 03:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | fols |
| 03:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | foooools |
| 03:09.34 | rooly | so is that an elongated short-o sound, or what |
| 03:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's an emotion frozen in ASCII |
| 03:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | btw the last ten posts were by "rooly". never vbothered to understand them |
| 03:12.40 | rooly | what, you have chocks on ignoe? |
| 03:12.56 | rooly | and slaxxin too? |
| 03:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | yup ;-) |
| 03:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxon, nooooo |
| 03:13.27 | rooly | and seligarkin? |
| 03:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | last comment by slaxxin_ hows ha |
| 03:14.20 | Chocky | rooly: Doc is all bent out of shape because I asked too many questions about broken stuff. |
| 03:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | selig has a private cjannel to doc ;-) |
| 03:14.31 | rooly | ic |
| 03:14.58 | rooly | one should know when and when not to speak i suppose |
| 03:15.04 | rooly | is trying to learn that |
| 03:15.11 | Chocky | I suppose. |
| 03:15.21 | Chocky | but how can one learn if one does not ask? |
| 03:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just typing |
| 03:15.41 | Chocky | Otherwise you're just left with assumptions or ignorance. |
| 03:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | speaking --- ewwwwww |
| 03:16.07 | rooly | is also attempting to have 2 conversations at once using the same words |
| 03:16.11 | SeligArk1n | I have a private link to you, DocScrutinizer ? |
| 03:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArk1n: I wish you had ;-D |
| 03:16.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.47 | Chocky | watches someone that should have sold for $10 sell for $80 on ebay. |
| 03:16.52 | Chocky | s/someone/something/ |
| 03:16.59 | SeligArkin | I see |
| 03:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | nayway you never will end on any ignore-list |
| 03:17.09 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 03:17.31 | SeligArkin | even if I "/exec -out cat /dev/urandon"? :P |
| 03:17.53 | Chocky | SeligArkin: server would dump you first |
| 03:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | rethink! :D |
| 03:18.21 | Chocky | apt Chocky DocScruitinizer |
| 03:18.25 | Chocky | hm. |
| 03:18.28 | Chocky | not a verb. |
| 03:18.39 | Chocky | apt tickle DocScrutinizer |
| 03:18.40 | apt | ACTION jumps on DocScrutinizer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 03:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | sorry gal and guys. need a 60min offtime |
| 03:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | fuckoff chocky!!!! |
| 03:19.10 | Chocky | apt harass DocScrutinizer |
| 03:19.14 | Chocky | apt harrass DocScrutinizer |
| 03:19.16 | Chocky | bah |
| 03:19.21 | SeligArkin | apt rape DocScrutinizer |
| 03:19.22 | apt | ACTION takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 03:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.53 | SeligArkin | hehe |
| 03:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.21 | Chocky | apt beat Doc |
| 03:21.21 | apt | ACTION beats Doc with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 03:21.40 | rooly | apt shush them |
| 03:21.46 | SeligArkin | I was curious, chanserv is the only op? |
| 03:21.56 | Chocky | way it should be |
| 03:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | henk is |
| 03:22.11 | SeligArkin | perhaps, Chocky |
| 03:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | one of them |
| 03:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally I might |
| 03:24.03 | rooly | anywho |
| 03:24.07 | rooly | to bed i go |
| 03:24.11 | rooly | gotta get up early ya know |
| 03:24.17 | rooly | maybe i'll get to go home - not |
| 03:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | night rooly |
| 03:24.30 | mirko-paroli | night rooly |
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| 03:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | bye, ttyl |
| 03:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | night mirko-paroli |
| 03:26.47 | mirko-paroli | night DocScrutinizer |
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| 03:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it plain ridiculous a guy states he's the one with most experience in embedded design, but he doesn't know anybody of the ~350 other participants... ? |
| 03:36.44 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: i thought the same thing |
| 03:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: :) |
| 03:37.20 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: but then again, I am only the GUI guy ;) |
| 03:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: still you got a brain to think ;) |
| 03:38.25 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: that's the nicest I have heard all day ;) |
| 03:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm honest |
| 03:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | I know you |
| 03:39.41 | mirko-paroli | I would certainly be very careful with statements about a huge number of people I have never met, not even talked to |
| 03:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | we smoked cigs at same balcony ;) |
| 03:39.50 | mirko-paroli | indeed |
| 03:39.55 | mirko-paroli | back in the day ;) |
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| 03:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | well. /me > TV |
| 03:41.01 | mirko-paroli | me > balcony ;) |
| 03:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 03:41.28 | mirko-paroli | with my coffee ;) |
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| 03:41.58 | mirko-paroli | if I do another 2 hours I can say hi to my mum ;) |
| 03:42.18 | mirko-paroli | haven't seen her since I got back ~48hrs ago |
| 03:58.25 | slaxxin | man the latest news just sucks |
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| 04:00.20 | mirko-paroli | slaxxin: ? |
| 04:00.29 | KenYoung | slaxxin, What new? |
| 04:00.38 | slaxxin | thats just it |
| 04:00.39 | KenYoung | oops news. |
| 04:00.45 | mwester | slaxxin: if you're going to make a context-less comment like that, it would be nice to post a URL so we know what you're upset about... at least! |
| 04:00.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.02 | mwester | Otherwise I might just assume you turned on the TV. |
| 04:01.32 | mwester | (and I agree, the economy sucks, and nobody seems to be able to fix it, and that news depresses me too. :( ) |
| 04:02.32 | slaxxin | yea too many people wanting something for nothing an too lazy to actually work |
| 04:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: hehe ;) |
| 04:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | eeew, evil, evil. 1, 4. 9, 33,34532 !!! |
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| 07:12.17 | Hopscotch | good mornig |
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| 08:35.07 | flohack | I'm trying to write an application using python-edje and I need to generate a list of 'items' (an 'item' is an image and two labels). The list should be scrollable. How would I proceed? Swallow an etk interface? |
| 08:36.10 | flohack | I'm a bit confused, how one would develop a gui for an application which requires 'traditional' widgets like lists and such? |
| 08:36.19 | flohack | with ejde |
| 08:36.34 | raster | youy wouldty |
| 08:36.35 | raster | u want etk |
| 08:36.37 | raster | or ewl |
| 08:36.39 | raster | or elementary |
| 08:36.42 | raster | they provide widgets |
| 08:36.46 | raster | edje provides layout |
| 08:36.49 | raster | cant help with python tho |
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| 08:40.03 | flohack | raster: Ok, say I choose etk, can I embed an edje part into an etk scrollable? |
| 08:40.46 | raster | with a bit of work you can |
| 08:41.26 | flohack | raster: And what combination would you choose? (there are no python bindings for ewl as it seems) |
| 08:45.15 | raster | well.. i wouldnt use python |
| 08:45.26 | raster | so - i'm not going to be much help to you there |
| 08:46.25 | raster | i would use elementary |
| 08:46.30 | raster | but i'm biased |
| 08:46.37 | raster | as i write elementary |
| 08:46.50 | raster | u'd need a custom genlist item stile for 2 labels |
| 08:46.54 | raster | but its designed to do that |
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| 08:50.31 | flohack_temp | raster: sorry I had to switch to mobile broadband |
| 08:50.51 | flohack_temp | I might have missed you last answer... |
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| 08:52.56 | raster | ummm |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> well.. i wouldnt use python |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> so - i'm not going to be much help to you there |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> i would use elementary |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> but i'm biased |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> as i write elementary |
| 08:53.02 | raster | <raster> u'd need a custom genlist item stile for 2 labels |
| 08:53.04 | raster | <raster> but its designed to do that |
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| 08:59.31 | flohack_temp | ok, so edje is probably not well suited for that pupose is it? |
| 08:59.40 | raster | no |
| 08:59.43 | raster | it is for other purposes |
| 09:00.05 | flohack_temp | edje seems nice for graphic intensive, animated uis |
| 09:00.22 | raster | elementary uses edje for example as a theme/layout/config engine/tool |
| 09:01.55 | flohack_temp | ok, so i'll simply use elementary then. Is there an (non-demo) application in python using elementary you know of? |
| 09:02.11 | raster | dunno |
| 09:02.16 | raster | again - python. can't help |
| 09:02.26 | raster | shr has some |
| 09:02.27 | raster | i think |
| 09:03.54 | flohack_temp | raster: ok, thanks for your help! |
| 09:05.52 | flohack_temp | raster: I'save some battery, see you! |
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| 09:11.04 | morphis | heyho |
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| 10:08.54 | panicking | Hi all |
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| 10:14.00 | Psi | been playing with mp3 ringtones, i'm quite impressed with the stereo speakers in gta01 |
| 10:14.33 | SpeedEvil | They are damn good. |
| 10:14.35 | SpeedEvil | For the size. |
| 10:14.38 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:14.48 | SpeedEvil | All it needs is a bluetooth sub. |
| 10:14.53 | Psi | heh |
| 10:16.04 | Psi | i put some music from an ep of battlestar galactica on it, it sounds 10 times better than i was expecting |
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| 10:18.06 | Psi | hey SpeedEvil, do you know anything about the SHR daily gsm disconnect issue? I dont seem to be getting it at all and was wondering if its gta02 only |
| 10:18.55 | SpeedEvil | I regrettably don't have as much time as I'd like at the moment, so my GTA01 is at the moment sitting on my desk, stripped of SIM, with a Scaredycat release of about last year. |
| 10:18.55 | Psi | or maybe its been fixed and i was reading old info |
| 10:19.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/bedroom-wall.jpg |
| 10:19.50 | Psi | heh, mine has been doing the same for over 4 months, but i decided to have a play and i must say SHR is very usable |
| 10:19.51 | SpeedEvil | (stuff) |
| 10:19.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:20.51 | Psi | heh |
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| 12:18.02 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * rf06186f517a1 10/vapi/elm.vapi: return 'unowned' HoverselItem, it is owned by the parent hoversel. Also NULL callbacks are ok, the elementary test app uses them itself. |
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| 12:35.26 | usr | why is vagalume broken in the latest release of shr and om? |
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| 12:56.03 | ChristW | Good afternoon (in my timezone...) everyone... I was trying out some programs on FR using FSO m5, but apparently they don't work. It may be my setup... Did anyone succeed in getting knjMokoWifi or Fourier to work on FSOm5? |
| 13:00.52 | Weiss | didn't work in what way? |
| 13:08.15 | usr | does supend work in fso? |
| 13:08.35 | usr | suspend |
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| 13:19.43 | ChristW | Weiss: knjMoko either - crashes, or - tells me it can't bind to interface eth0. |
| 13:20.00 | ChristW | Fourier just draws a vertical line, and leaves no spectrum behind. |
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| 13:51.55 | freerunnerlive | XY |
| 13:52.03 | freerunnerlive | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.06 | freerunnerlive | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.45 | michael_at_panic | freerunnerlive, I don't understand one thing |
| 13:53.50 | michael_at_panic | the uImage-v17 |
| 13:53.53 | Weiss | ChristW: for Fourier, you need to switch to capture.state IIRC |
| 13:54.04 | Weiss | also, i found it sometimes lagged quite a lot |
| 13:56.18 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb2dd2427e18b 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: add dbus object call test |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r25dfbde20190 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: move class back to interface; the problem has been found |
| 13:56.20 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rea22977c5b73 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: remove XsoFramework workaround; Didier Ptitjes found the problem in Vala |
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| 13:57.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r788101c23713 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): examples: add hoversel example |
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| 14:18.58 | freerunnerlive | my douther write that freerunnerlive:XY vb |
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| 15:50.14 | michael_at_panic | I would like to change the kernel to having the freerunner suspend |
| 15:50.22 | michael_at_panic | when the user call |
| 15:50.46 | michael_at_panic | now when the device suspend the sound is suspend to, so the routing |
| 15:50.52 | michael_at_panic | is stopped |
| 15:50.57 | michael_at_panic | is it correct? |
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| 15:53.45 | mickeyl | I remember this was discussed on the list, you can't suspend while on a call due to some practical problems. |
| 15:54.05 | mickeyl | the details were on the list, i don't remember |
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| 15:54.34 | michael_at_panic | If the dac don't call the suspend |
| 15:54.43 | michael_at_panic | the incoming call remains up |
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| 15:55.09 | michael_at_panic | so the user can press the power button |
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| 15:55.20 | michael_at_panic | and go to the interface and shutdown the call |
| 15:55.37 | michael_at_panic | when the interface request to avoid suspend of the dac |
| 15:55.42 | michael_at_panic | for an incoming call |
| 15:55.58 | michael_at_panic | the sysetm shutdown but not the audio part |
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| 16:11.50 | michael_at_panic | mickeyl, what do you think about? is it possible? |
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| 16:16.04 | mickeyl | if you can keep the audio path powered, it should be possible, yes |
| 16:16.56 | michael_at_panic | android can be use it, other graphics interface can use it too |
| 16:17.03 | michael_at_panic | the problem is a clean up interface |
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| 16:17.16 | michael_at_panic | There are two possible solution: |
| 16:17.34 | michael_at_panic | - export an attribute and the userspace write when it requested |
| 16:17.50 | michael_at_panic | - or automatically avoid suspend when the phone path is active |
| 16:17.56 | michael_at_panic | of the dac |
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| 16:18.31 | mickeyl | i'd vote for the less clever solution |
| 16:18.37 | mickeyl | since we have something like that for gps as well |
| 16:18.55 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 16:19.05 | SpeedEvil | The CPU can use lots less power when clocked down. |
| 16:19.13 | SpeedEvil | It'd be really cool if someone implemented that. |
| 16:19.23 | mickeyl | i think that's doomed |
| 16:19.33 | mickeyl | cesarb did a lot |
| 16:19.39 | mickeyl | but i'm afraid his patches were a) too intrusive |
| 16:19.46 | mickeyl | and b) you had to be really careful on the 2442 |
| 16:19.57 | mickeyl | I'd love to see it happening, no doubt |
| 16:20.03 | mickeyl | but i don't have high hopes |
| 16:20.47 | flohack | raster: Hi! We talked in the morning about ejde and elementary. I decided to go with elementary. I compiled elementary trunk on Ubuntu Hardy and installed in to /opt/e17 (where the rest of E is installed). Whenever I launch elementary_test and click on one of the list entries, the application does not redraw anymore and hangs (according to strace) on 'futex(0x81251a8, 0x80 /* FUTEX_??? */, 2'. Any ideas? I set |
| 16:21.14 | flohack | I set ELM_DATA_DIR=/opt/e17/share/elementary ELM_ENGINE=x11 ELM_PREFIX=/opt/e17 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/e17/lib/ so the environment should be fine |
| 16:21.52 | flohack | raster: the chooser works file, but the actual test (as well as my elementary app) just hangs |
| 16:23.01 | michael_at_panic | mickeyl, are there old patches? |
| 16:23.36 | mickeyl | ya, tons of patches during the 2.6.22 and 2.6.24 days |
| 16:23.40 | mickeyl | on the list |
| 16:23.48 | mickeyl | cesarb might also have somen ewer ones |
| 16:23.55 | mickeyl | some newer ones, that is |
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| 16:26.29 | flohack | anyone else who could help? |
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| 16:28.03 | mickeyl | flohack: you might have picked a bad rev. update and try again |
| 16:28.14 | flohack | elementary? |
| 16:28.36 | mickeyl | the full set |
| 16:28.37 | flohack | It's at 39762 which is current trunk |
| 16:28.38 | mickeyl | r39733 works ok here |
| 16:28.58 | flohack | alright, I'll switch |
| 16:29.07 | mickeyl | btw., i wouldn't mix precompiled Evas/ecore with selfcompiled elm |
| 16:29.17 | mickeyl | efl is usually pretty coupled |
| 16:29.23 | mickeyl | so if you update one, recompile the others |
| 16:29.29 | flohack | It's all self compiled with easy_e17 |
| 16:29.34 | mickeyl | ah, good |
| 16:29.35 | flohack | all from today |
| 16:29.39 | mickeyl | although i don't know easy_e17 |
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| 16:43.48 | flohack | recompiled elementary with revision 39733 and 39729 (that's the revision of all other e17 components)...still the same. |
| 16:51.42 | mickeyl | that's sad |
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| 17:05.08 | flohack | mickeyl: YIHAA! revision 39762 works |
| 17:05.48 | SM2k1 | GPS seems finicky on SHR. are there magic incantations to coax Gypsy into working? |
| 17:09.35 | mickeyl | good |
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| 17:32.35 | flohack | Is there a python app using elementary Toolbar somewhere around? I need some example code for the API! |
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| 17:48.50 | flohack | raster: Is there a way to make elementary run full-screen? |
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| 17:55.59 | flohack | Someone else? |
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| 18:01.49 | antognolli | hi |
| 18:02.16 | antognolli | I want to run a software on openmoko, and I'm trying to use openembedded for that |
| 18:02.38 | antognolli | anyone knows what distro/machine should I setup on it? |
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| 18:30.08 | faltantornillos | hi. I installed shr-testing and after some changes in the icons it won't show the PIN dialog, what can I do? please |
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| 18:50.50 | azaghal | Thanks to all the devs on the channel ;) |
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| 19:06.23 | samgee | [TADD] azaghal +1 |
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| 19:14.24 | azaghal | samgee: Heheh |
| 19:17.36 | freerunnerlive | freerunnerlive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKi17y0fWJ8 |
| 19:17.36 | freerunnerlive | (20:14:46) freerunnerlive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xua37mtkRrc |
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| 19:21.44 | Chocks | el lollo poco. er. |
| 19:22.09 | Chocks | Anyway, that's mixed up Spanish, not mixed up French. |
| 19:23.05 | nihil_ | stabs UPS |
| 19:23.18 | nihil_ | according to their website, my phone has been out for delivery since just after midnight |
| 19:25.00 | poco | Chocks, im mexican :p |
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| 19:32.17 | Chocks | then you got the joke. |
| 19:32.47 | Chocks | If I stood on top of this building, I could just about see Mexico |
| 19:33.26 | Dave | :o |
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| 19:34.15 | Chocks | DaveBitch |
| 19:35.21 | zention | Does the Neo Freerunner work with Vodaphone SIMS UK? |
| 19:35.27 | Chocks | should |
| 19:36.03 | zention | thanks |
| 19:36.08 | Chocks | see the wiki |
| 19:36.11 | Chocks | about supported sims |
| 19:37.31 | zention | only 3 and Orange, Orange works and 3 doesn't |
| 19:37.39 | Chocks | aw |
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| 19:37.49 | Chocks | well, I guess you have to try it, and add your findings |
| 19:37.54 | zention | :) |
| 19:38.08 | zention | works in Spain |
| 19:38.09 | Weiss | zention: the wiki only mentioned 3 and Orange you mean? |
| 19:38.14 | Weiss | if so, i can add to that |
| 19:38.17 | freerunnerlive | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlrzjVakKA |
| 19:38.41 | Chocks | frl: if you're going to spam, at least tell us what it is :p |
| 19:38.41 | zention | yeah only 3 and orange for UK mentioned |
| 19:38.47 | zention | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Providers |
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| 19:39.10 | zention | what are you adding Weiss? |
| 19:39.14 | spaetz | flohack: I never got python-elementary and toolbars to work |
| 19:39.24 | Weiss | O2, with both a very old and a very new SIM |
| 19:39.34 | spaetz | as there was no way to get a callback function called when a toolbar button is pressed |
| 19:39.39 | Weiss | i can test vodafone with my old 3G datacard's SIM if you really need the information |
| 19:39.48 | spaetz | I believe that pythone-elementary is lacking something |
| 19:39.50 | Weiss | (but i'll soon be cancelling my Vodafone contract) |
| 19:39.54 | spaetz | but I might be wrong |
| 19:40.50 | zention | Hmm my SIM is probably a couple of years old |
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| 19:41.48 | zention | probably have to do some research |
| 19:42.19 | zention | I get quite a good deal on internet access supposedly but I wonder if it really works with the sim |
| 19:43.16 | SpeedEvil | I like t-mobile. |
| 19:43.24 | SpeedEvil | PAYG |
| 19:43.31 | Chocks | yessir |
| 19:43.37 | Chocks | also in US |
| 19:43.39 | SpeedEvil | web and walk, you can buy 5 days, for 2.50 |
| 19:43.44 | Chocks | by far the cheapest |
| 19:43.50 | SpeedEvil | So, internet for 50p/day |
| 19:43.54 | Chocks | web'n'walk'n'pay |
| 19:44.16 | zention | that's 15 a month |
| 19:44.51 | zention | but I suppose you can elect to use it when you need it |
| 19:44.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:45.09 | SpeedEvil | you use it only one day a month, pay at most a pound |
| 19:45.26 | zention | I got the 12.50 a month 5GB fair usage and that includes like 100mins free and 50 texts I think |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | if you're going to use it more than three days out of 5, you buy the 2.50 option |
| 19:47.04 | zention | it would be nice if the phone companies gave a little more support to the openmoko project |
| 19:47.06 | Chocks | US telcos rip you off compared to UK |
| 19:47.13 | Chocks | slaps lack of OFCOM et al |
| 19:47.18 | nihil_ | phone companies wont support it |
| 19:47.21 | Chocks | zention: you so funny. |
| 19:47.30 | nihil_ | no money in it for them |
| 19:47.33 | SpeedEvil | OFCOM isn't all that. |
| 19:47.51 | Chocks | I know, but it's better 'n notin' |
| 19:48.03 | Chocks | which is about all we have |
| 19:48.24 | zention | Vodafone has released some of their code opensource in all fairness |
| 19:48.31 | zention | I think for some modem |
| 19:48.36 | Chocks | good |
| 19:49.09 | Chocks | Vodafone doesn't really operate in the US, however |
| 19:49.24 | Chocks | although it does just about everywhere else |
| 19:49.43 | zention | yes US is odd with mobiles too much space I think :) |
| 19:49.57 | zention | should live all cramped up like Europeans |
| 19:50.09 | Chocks | too many money grubbing big corps with entrenched interests |
| 19:51.00 | zention | well you had a revolution once |
| 19:51.22 | Chocks | long before my time. Besides, I'm not American |
| 19:51.25 | Dave | :D |
| 19:51.40 | Chocks | UK had a revolution too. as did Mexico. And funnily enough, France :p |
| 19:52.02 | zention | there is an epidemic |
| 19:52.23 | Chocks | yep, it's called people. |
| 19:52.27 | Chocks | And please, no "lol" to that. |
| 19:52.50 | Chocks | Take away the people, and most of the animals and plants will come back, and the atomosphere will settle down in a few decades |
| 19:52.54 | nihil_ | people arent the problem, its the endless amount of stupidity they carry around with them that causes trouble |
| 19:53.03 | SpeedEvil | The UK did not have a revolution. |
| 19:53.16 | nihil_ | SpeedEvil: sure they did, how do you think the US came to be? :) |
| 19:53.22 | Chocks | SpeedEvil: allow me my broad strokes in making a weak point ;-) |
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| 19:53.49 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: religious nutters leaving as they thought england was too impure. |
| 19:54.03 | Chocks | s/UK/England/ for a slightly improved version. |
| 19:54.25 | nihil_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War |
| 19:54.30 | munga | hello, I'm trying to modify zhone to store incoming/outgoing calls ... where can I find a bit of doco ? |
| 19:54.34 | Chocks | And maybe I should have said "civil away" |
| 19:54.37 | Chocks | anyway. |
| 19:54.46 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: that was not a UK revolution - or even an english one. |
| 19:55.01 | nihil_ | uhm |
| 19:55.04 | zention | ahyhow, the main dialing software anyone know the language it is written in on the openmoko? |
| 19:55.05 | nihil_ | wrong? |
| 19:55.07 | munga | am i on the wrong channel ? :) |
| 19:55.14 | nihil_ | the US used to be part of the UK |
| 19:55.19 | Chocks | and Spain |
| 19:55.21 | nihil_ | then we had that little revolutionary war thing |
| 19:55.26 | Chocks | and Mexico |
| 19:55.28 | munga | zention: zhone in python |
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| 19:55.35 | zention | munga: thanks |
| 19:55.35 | Chocks | and Russia |
| 19:56.07 | zention | so it would be possible to run this without any java? |
| 19:56.12 | Dave | Soviet? |
| 19:56.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure no portion of the US was ever part of the UK, it was a colony. |
| 19:56.34 | Chocks | Alaska was Soviet :p |
| 19:56.41 | Chocks | +? |
| 19:56.45 | nihil_ | a colony of the united kingdom |
| 19:56.52 | nihil_ | god save the queen, etc... |
| 19:57.09 | nihil_ | this is basic 6th grade civics |
| 19:57.11 | Dave | OFF WITH HER HEAD! |
| 19:57.40 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: a colony of a country having a revolution is not the same as a revolution in that country. |
| 19:57.46 | Chocks | nihil_: what makes you think I ever did civics? And certainly I never attended a "6th grade" :p |
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| 19:58.06 | Chocks | You spin me right round, like a revolution, right round. |
| 19:58.11 | nihil_ | oh, so it's not a revolution unless its within those geographical bounds? |
| 19:58.23 | nihil_ | considering that when it started, US soil was part of the UK |
| 19:58.29 | nihil_ | it was IN that country |
| 19:58.52 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: You can have geographically disparate countries - east and west pakistan, for example. However, colonies are not the same as soveriegn territory. |
| 19:58.53 | Chocks | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Revolution anyway, I was clearly referring to this |
| 19:58.58 | nihil_ | otherwise, you should inform historians that the REVOLUTIONary war was in fact just a "police action" or some gay shit like that |
| 19:59.11 | nihil_ | shakes his head |
| 19:59.14 | Chocks | SpeedEvil: England + N.I. :p |
| 19:59.18 | nihil_ | whatever you need to think to feel better about it man |
| 19:59.22 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: it was a revolutionary war _for america_ It was for the UK, a rebellion in the colonies. |
| 19:59.32 | nihil_ | I'm not going to argue, and I'm not going to take some twat on IRCs word over all of history |
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| 19:59.56 | zention | UK came about 1800 |
| 20:00.00 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: show one act of parliament that declared the US part of the united kingdom. |
| 20:00.24 | zention | 1776 I think they tried to make tea with salt water |
| 20:00.29 | nihil_ | colonization wasnt enough for you? |
| 20:00.43 | nihil_ | imposing royal law and taxes wasnt enough? |
| 20:00.46 | nihil_ | idiot |
| 20:00.56 | Chocks | well, that was a nice debate I started |
| 20:01.16 | SpeedEvil | nihil_: a colony is a legally different entity to the parent country. For example, there may be movement restrictions on its citezens, or otherwise. |
| 20:01.27 | nihil_ | for fucks sake |
| 20:01.28 | nihil_ | find |
| 20:01.29 | nihil_ | er |
| 20:01.30 | Chocks | heh |
| 20:01.30 | nihil_ | fine |
| 20:01.33 | nihil_ | "youre right" |
| 20:01.36 | nihil_ | "I'm wrong" |
| 20:01.39 | nihil_ | just stfu already |
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| 20:02.34 | Chocks | have some tea and chill out. |
| 20:02.52 | zention | only a slight tax on it :) |
| 20:02.58 | nihil_ | <-- isnt the one arguing with tens of thousands of historians |
| 20:02.59 | nihil_ | :) |
| 20:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1926 |
| 20:03.11 | Chocks | nihil_: I can't find a flaw with what SE is saying. |
| 20:03.11 | nihil_ | and yet he continues |
| 20:03.17 | Chocks | so do you |
| 20:03.22 | SpeedEvil | It was only in 1926 that the external dominions were given like status. |
| 20:03.32 | nihil_ | so |
| 20:03.34 | nihil_ | who likes phones? |
| 20:03.40 | Chocks | not me, I like tea. |
| 20:03.40 | nihil_ | yay freerunner! |
| 20:03.41 | nihil_ | woohoo |
| 20:03.50 | Chocks | OM FTW! |
| 20:04.05 | nihil_ | still waiting for mine to show up |
| 20:04.21 | nihil_ | been out for delivery since midnight or so |
| 20:04.28 | zention | they have sold oout in the UK stockist |
| 20:04.37 | nihil_ | thats a good thing |
| 20:04.38 | zention | perhaps I will get one from Germany |
| 20:04.52 | nihil_ | means people are buying them up, which will encourage further development |
| 20:05.06 | nihil_ | so maybe the next one will be 3/3.5G and have more cpu/mem |
| 20:05.09 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 20:05.12 | SpeedEvil | Next one won't. |
| 20:05.16 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:05.18 | Chocks | http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 20:05.27 | nihil_ | /ignore SpeedEvil |
| 20:05.28 | nihil_ | :) |
| 20:05.31 | SpeedEvil | forgets what's supposed to be coming over the horizon this week. |
| 20:05.45 | SM2k | Chocks nice |
| 20:05.48 | Chocks | SpeedEvil: the sun. Assuming it's not a soggy wet British spring. |
| 20:05.49 | SpeedEvil | At one point in hte near past, GTA03 - whatever it's renamed - was to have EDGE, not 3g |
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| 20:08.25 | munga | do you know where I can find a bit of doc about edje ? |
| 20:08.34 | SpeedEvil | EDGE is just faster GSM |
| 20:08.38 | SpeedEvil | GPRS, rather |
| 20:08.39 | munga | no |
| 20:08.47 | munga | the toolkin |
| 20:08.48 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 20:08.49 | zention | openpandora should be available soon and that might spark more interest in the openmoko as well |
| 20:08.50 | munga | toolkit |
| 20:09.02 | munga | it is used in zhone |
| 20:09.05 | zention | hopefully be a bit of a crossover of interest |
| 20:09.08 | Chocks | zention: well, not really. they are quite different projects. |
| 20:09.17 | Chocks | openwrt has a lot more in common with openmoko |
| 20:09.58 | zention | interesting, I run openwrt but I didn't really see a parallel |
| 20:10.00 | munga | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Creating_Edje_User_Interfaces |
| 20:10.02 | munga | yeai |
| 20:10.18 | Chocks | OpenEmbedded is the common platform |
| 20:10.21 | zention | I suppose I am thinking more about small sized applications for mobile devices |
| 20:10.32 | Chocks | and most newer routers are ARM9 based |
| 20:10.58 | Chocks | then there's maemo, which is perhaps closest of all to Openmoko |
| 20:11.23 | zention | the kernel shoudn't be too awakward, problem with openwrt devices is the flash memory |
| 20:11.34 | zention | but I can see a parallel |
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| 20:11.48 | Chocks | zention: kernel is always awkard, somehow ;-) |
| 20:12.45 | Chocks | +w |
| 20:12.47 | zention | openpandora is ARM |
| 20:13.07 | Chocks | yes, but you need to back away from the generalizatoins |
| 20:13.14 | Chocks | do you know how many ARM variants there are? |
| 20:13.23 | Chocks | even if we consider just ARM9? |
| 20:13.52 | zention | well there is variation and similarity but I take your point |
| 20:14.12 | Chocks | well, whatever the number you think of, mutilply it by 10 ;-) |
| 20:14.38 | zention | 10 times infinity? |
| 20:14.55 | Chocks | from a certain point of view </star wars> |
| 20:15.21 | zention | :) |
| 20:15.51 | zention | so you are hacking around in the kernel Chocks? |
| 20:16.08 | Chocks | sometimes. But not in regard to this project. |
| 20:17.34 | zention | openwrt? |
| 20:17.44 | Chocks | no, in my real world job |
| 20:19.00 | zention | On ARM? There does seem to be a move for more devices using ARM |
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| 20:19.17 | Chocks | no, I don't use ARM much here. But I have been using ARM for a long long time. |
| 20:19.34 | Chocks | there's probably already far more ARM devices out there than you are aware of. and that started 10 years ago |
| 20:21.15 | zention | MIPS is also gaining favour |
| 20:21.29 | Chocks | no, it's not :p |
| 20:21.42 | Chocks | MIPS had a huge market once, but is in decline. |
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| 20:22.12 | zention | So what CPU? |
| 20:22.32 | Chocks | Like asking "what car?" |
| 20:23.31 | zention | What CPU are you altering kernels for? |
| 20:23.36 | Chocks | x86 |
| 20:23.47 | zention | oh just standard stuff |
| 20:23.54 | zention | drivers? |
| 20:23.59 | Chocks | lots of stuff. |
| 20:24.28 | Chocks | Most of it pretty superficial. My job is to make stuff work, so I touch the kernel if it's not working. |
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| 20:25.57 | Chocks | it's nearly 2pm on Friday. That means customers are going to start calling :p |
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| 20:36.04 | saracen_ | My messages dont appear to be getting through =( |
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| 20:36.14 | saracen_ | I mean, sending works. Recieving doesnt =( |
| 20:38.37 | Chocks | how about receiving? |
| 20:39.29 | saracen_ | nazi =( |
| 20:39.40 | Chocks | Godwin's law. |
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| 20:40.47 | saracen_ | =( |
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| 21:08.57 | nqe | hello |
| 21:09.25 | nqe | I m trying to make the openmoko multiboot |
| 21:09.34 | Chocks | heh. |
| 21:09.43 | nqe | Anyone already running? |
| 21:09.45 | Chocks | fighting with u-boot. good times. |
| 21:09.53 | Chocks | or with qi, tricky. |
| 21:09.55 | nqe | me thinks |
| 21:10.06 | nqe | well 1st startoff with uBoot |
| 21:10.08 | Chocks | well, I have Qtopia in flash, and SHR on SD. no big deal |
| 21:10.19 | nqe | for me it is. |
| 21:10.24 | nqe | but I getting there |
| 21:10.27 | Chocks | FR is already setup to do exactly that |
| 21:10.42 | Chocks | so there isn't much you need to do, except have the distros in the right place |
| 21:11.18 | nqe | mm, have FR .12 on flash, already debian on /sde2 |
| 21:11.27 | nqe | images on /sde1 |
| 21:11.57 | nqe | now on 3 & 4: trying to get android & QT extended |
| 21:12.05 | Chocks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.09 | Chocks | ah |
| 21:12.21 | nqe | trying to sketch the situation |
| 21:12.30 | Chocks | QT should be no problem. Android expects a very specific setup. you might need to have that on part 1 and part 2. |
| 21:12.42 | nqe | kernels for android & Qt extended are running |
| 21:12.43 | Chocks | and then you need the right init file |
| 21:13.05 | nqe | Ill go for Qt 1st |
| 21:13.11 | Chocks | you're ill? |
| 21:13.17 | nqe | i'll |
| 21:13.22 | nqe | :-) |
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| 21:14.31 | nqe | (qt extended): after kernel & loading ext2(3) fs it gives me this: unable to open an initial console |
| 21:15.24 | lindi- | nqe: is your /dev in shape? |
| 21:16.13 | nqe | as in? |
| 21:16.26 | lindi- | nqe: does /dev/console exist? |
| 21:16.32 | Chocks | heh |
| 21:16.44 | Chocks | bet you put files in the wrong place |
| 21:17.01 | Chocks | of course, you're leaving out a huge amount of info here |
| 21:17.08 | Chocks | let's not have us guess about what you're doing. |
| 21:17.19 | Chocks | I already have to do that with customers. |
| 21:18.59 | nqe | chocks: thought I explained some stuff before.. |
| 21:19.06 | Chocks | .. |
| 21:19.08 | nqe | jsut not linux savy. |
| 21:19.43 | Chocks | Not asking you to be. But it's not clear what exactly you did to get to the no /dev/console point, or what distro that is, or what partition it's on. |
| 21:19.44 | nqe | looks like android is installed on sde4 and QT is missing |
| 21:19.49 | Chocks | or how you boooted it |
| 21:20.07 | Chocks | Android has _two_ partitions. And it won't be /dev/sde4 to the FR |
| 21:21.03 | nqe | yes, I think I have to redo the initial partition data for QtE |
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| 21:21.19 | nqe | thanks for getting me thinking again |
| 21:21.33 | Chocks | :o |
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| 21:25.49 | Dave | Chocks |
| 21:25.53 | Chocks | D |
| 21:31.43 | nqe | booting now |
| 21:32.12 | nqe | rockon |
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| 21:33.37 | Chocks | ROCK ON! </dave> |
| 21:33.47 | nqe | thanks for the pointer, got visual |
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| 21:36.34 | nqe | I impressed, look good |
| 21:37.23 | Chocks | that's what she said. |
| 21:38.00 | Chocks | 2pm on a Friday, all the customers start calling. and of _course_ they haven't read the manual |
| 21:38.50 | nqe | that's whe they get bored.. |
| 21:39.16 | Chocks | talk to me too long, and they'll get bored too |
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| 21:40.44 | nqe | / out for spliff/ |
| 21:43.28 | Chocks | sigh |
| 21:43.30 | Chocks | damn pot heads |
| 21:45.13 | nqe | i sorry: dutch |
| 21:45.14 | Dave | :p |
| 21:45.46 | Chocks | well, as least it's quasi-legal |
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| 21:47.48 | nqe | homegrown & proud |
| 21:48.39 | Dave | spreek je Nederlands? :D |
| 21:48.48 | nqe | tuurlijk |
| 21:48.51 | ghislain_openmob | jazeker |
| 21:48.52 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:48.57 | Dave | hoi o/ |
| 21:49.05 | Chocks | Dave: careful, his English is probably better than yours :p |
| 21:49.10 | Dave | -_- |
| 21:49.51 | nqe | dave is english |
| 21:49.57 | Dave | overloper :p |
| 21:50.12 | Chocks | Yes, but IME, the Dutch have excellent English |
| 21:50.23 | Dave | No |
| 21:50.36 | nqe | working at a US company... |
| 21:50.40 | Chocks | Dave is American, if I'm not mistooken |
| 21:50.45 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 21:51.03 | Dave | duidelijk ¬¬ |
| 21:51.34 | Chocks | let me see. Gooddag je Zaturday |
| 21:51.41 | Dave | Caturday? |
| 21:51.44 | Chocks | no, Zaturdag |
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| 21:51.57 | ghislain_openmob | Zaterdag |
| 21:51.58 | Chocks | like German, but less running words together |
| 21:52.05 | Dave | ja :] |
| 21:52.16 | Dave | ghislain, hoe gaat het? |
| 21:52.26 | Chocks | And like Danish, but less forced. |
| 21:52.27 | Dave | met jouw freerunner |
| 21:52.38 | Chocks | And like English, but makes more sense. |
| 21:52.51 | ghislain_openmob | erg goed, Android is erg leuk |
| 21:52.58 | nqe | keyboardnot working during call |
| 21:53.07 | Dave | ja, het is tof :P |
| 21:53.14 | Chocks | In case you want to IRC to the person you are talking to? |
| 21:53.30 | Dave | Chox? |
| 21:53.34 | Chocks | wut? |
| 21:54.17 | nqe | don are about that. It certainly is fun to play with. |
| 21:54.50 | Chocks | places Dave somewhere in Newark. |
| 21:55.19 | nihil_ | thats not very nice |
| 21:55.25 | nihil_ | what if he doesnt want to be in newark? |
| 21:55.25 | Chocks | heh. |
| 21:55.35 | Chocks | Then he needs to move his traceroute endpoint. |
| 21:55.39 | Dave | :P |
| 21:55.45 | nihil_ | geoip is flawed |
| 21:55.49 | Dave | huhu |
| 21:55.54 | Dave | or I cheat :) |
| 21:56.10 | nihil_ | I regularly see discrepancies of 200mi or more |
| 21:56.15 | Chocks | I'm sure, but DNS is clear enough on the matter |
| 21:56.30 | Chocks | A3-0-0-1716.DSL-RTR4.NWRK.verizon-gni.net |
| 21:56.37 | nihil_ | indeed |
| 21:56.38 | nihil_ | poor dave |
| 21:56.54 | Dave | I might not even be in the country |
| 21:56.55 | Dave | :D |
| 21:57.07 | Chocks | indeed, but odds on, I'm right |
| 21:57.13 | Dave | :) |
| 21:57.17 | Dave | I'm actually in NY atm :P |
| 21:57.48 | Chocks | oh dear. sshing to a screen session. geek. |
| 21:57.54 | Dave | \o/ |
| 21:58.08 | Chocks | so knows Dave. I am stalking him. |
| 21:58.15 | Dave | :o |
| 21:58.38 | Chocks | So, tell us why you are on IRC at 6pm on a Friday? |
| 21:58.47 | Chocks | Or did I already answer that with the "geek" bit? |
| 21:59.23 | Dave | Negatory! |
| 21:59.56 | Dave | hahaha in other news I just came up with the weakest excuse for not joining your friends on a night out on friday |
| 22:00.01 | Dave | "I'm doing my taxes" |
| 22:01.17 | ghislain_openmob | that is an excellent excuse :D |
| 22:01.42 | Chocks | I would give you 1/2 points for being at a pub with geek friends and IRCing, but that appears not to be true. |
| 22:02.41 | Zorkman | Chocks you can find dave on tangogps, most likely very close to his archnemisis Lazy Lulu |
| 22:03.32 | Zorkman | seems like i missed a dutch-speaking party a few minutes ago :) |
| 22:04.02 | nqe | but speak belgiums |
| 22:04.08 | nqe | but you. |
| 22:04.34 | Chocks | As long as the Belgiums aren't speaking French, that's fine with me. Extra bonus if they speak Leffe Brown |
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| 22:04.53 | Zorkman | Hehehe, we speak a lot of beers :) |
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| 22:05.09 | Chocks | Zorkman: Quack, Quack, I think the joke goes. |
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| 22:05.40 | Zorkman | don't know what joke you are referring to, but we do have a beer that is called "kwak" :P |
| 22:05.45 | Chocks | yes. |
| 22:06.07 | Chocks | there is a joke involving that beer and duck hitting a lamppost. |
| 22:06.07 | Dave | :P |
| 22:06.19 | Chocks | But it didn't translate into English too well |
| 22:06.58 | Chocks | ah yes, what did the drunk duck say when it hit a lamppost? "kwak kwak" |
| 22:07.15 | nqe | lol |
| 22:09.39 | Dave | -_- |
| 22:09.40 | Chocks | lots of love? |
| 22:09.41 | Dave | dwaas |
| 22:10.02 | Dave | bijna :p |
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| 22:19.23 | Dave | Ken :) |
| 22:19.55 | KenYoung | Howdy Dave! |
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| 22:24.03 | Dave | :o |
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| 22:26.27 | nihil_ | WOOT |
| 22:26.28 | nihil_ | finally |
| 22:26.39 | nihil_ | UPS just dropped off my FR |
| 22:26.58 | Chocks | it's deja vu all over again |
| 22:26.59 | KenYoung | nihil_, It's a box of fun! |
| 22:27.10 | Dave | DOOMED |
| 22:27.12 | emsyr1 | this a test from pidgin application on openmoko |
| 22:27.18 | nihil_ | nice box |
| 22:27.22 | Chocks | emsyr1: desperate ;-) |
| 22:27.47 | emsyr1 | it seems it works |
| 22:27.49 | nihil_ | ken: damn thing said "out for delivery" since just after midnight |
| 22:27.53 | nihil_ | 17:30 now |
| 22:28.33 | nihil_ | smaller than I thought it was going to be, pleasant surprise |
| 22:28.35 | shellevil | xkcd ++ |
| 22:28.39 | shellevil | :) |
| 22:28.57 | emsyr1 | :-D it also supports smiles! |
| 22:29.06 | Chocks | seconds of fun! |
| 22:29.21 | KenYoung | nihil_, What software distribution are they shipping these days? |
| 22:29.31 | Chocks | 2005.5 :o |
| 22:29.45 | nihil_ | I had the option of OM or Qtopia |
| 22:29.48 | nihil_ | picked OM |
| 22:29.50 | shellevil | nihil_: You'll neeed this: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/02/09/its-dangerous-to-go-alone/ |
| 22:30.27 | nihil_ | http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=product&product_id=147&category_id=17 |
| 22:30.52 | nihil_ | swipes the 2G TF and SIM from the brokeberry |
| 22:31.57 | emsyr1 | great. closing session :-* |
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| 22:35.17 | nihil_ | aw, how cute, itty bitty leenooks |
| 22:35.48 | Chocks | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/25/funny-pictures-i-ben-werkin-owt/ |
| 22:35.49 | Dave | :p |
| 22:36.12 | Zorkman | nibbo: you should have picked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc ; that looks best so far :p |
| 22:36.20 | nihil_ | wow |
| 22:36.31 | nihil_ | they didnt skimp on the stylus |
| 22:36.45 | nihil_ | it has a built in laser pointer, led flashlight, and ball point pen that goes with it |
| 22:37.05 | Zorkman | i heard it's from the future |
| 22:37.49 | nihil_ | my worried about the sim not working were unfounded |
| 22:37.51 | mmontour | $3.41 for that stylus at dealextreme.com |
| 22:37.54 | Zorkman | or they found it in musquito DNA from the paleolithicum and cloned it like they did with the fr |
| 22:38.09 | lindi- | nihil_: the stylus is not that handy unfortunately |
| 22:38.27 | mmontour | I'd prefer a simple plastic one that actually fit in the pouch (or better yet, had a holder built into the case) |
| 22:38.47 | lindi- | i don't have the punch |
| 22:38.49 | lindi- | pounch |
| 22:38.57 | lindi- | pouch, sigh |
| 22:39.02 | nihil_ | ive got a box full of old palm devices |
| 22:39.03 | KenYoung | A nice one comes along with the case sold by Tuxbrain. |
| 22:39.10 | nihil_ | I'll just swipe one of those for mobile use |
| 22:39.35 | ghislain_openmob | yes the leather-case from tuxbrain is really cool |
| 22:39.43 | cesarb | mickey|sports: the newest I have is what is at my repository on repo.or.cz |
| 22:39.59 | flohack | Is there some documentation on the evas hint align layout stuff? |
| 22:41.48 | nihil_ | are anyone elses earphones much shorter on one side than the other? |
| 22:41.49 | flohack | I just can't find any documentation about that |
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| 22:44.08 | Dave | Viri |
| 22:44.48 | CVirus | stfu |
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| 22:50.49 | flohack | raster: Could you please point me to some documentation about the evas hint and align features? |
| 22:51.10 | nihil_ | this cant be normal |
| 22:51.27 | nihil_ | one side of the headphones is more than twice as long as the other |
| 22:52.12 | ghislain_openmob | nihil: that's correct |
| 22:52.34 | nihil_ | correct as in its not normal, or correct as in it's correctly longer than the other |
| 22:53.54 | ghislain_openmob | the 2nd |
| 22:54.01 | nihil_ | strange |
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| 22:57.11 | nihil_ | hrm, and they dont stick in my ears even with the largest of the rubber cups |
| 22:58.26 | nihil_ | looks for the baggie of misc earbud rubber bits |
| 22:58.36 | nihil_ | knew I saved them for a reason |
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| 23:05.11 | nihil_ | coolest phone ever |
| 23:05.14 | nihil_ | could use a little work |
| 23:05.17 | nihil_ | but I'm impressed |
| 23:07.22 | nihil_ | the packagins is really nice too |
| 23:07.24 | nihil_ | er |
| 23:07.31 | nihil_ | s/packagins/packaging/ |
| 23:08.37 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7de48a853af6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: parser.py: remove AlwaysUnsolicitedParser which is no longer necessary with the new parser |
| 23:09.25 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3300f6efcc9e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: parser.py: remove ThrowStuffAwayParser which is no longer necessary with the new parser |
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| 23:19.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raaf1c098835f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:19.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [QUALCOMM MSM] Add 'QualcommGsmViolationParser' that covers up Qualcomm's v250.ter AT format |
| 23:19.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: violations. |
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| 23:23.21 | Guest69909 | hallo |
| 23:23.43 | Guest69909 | i cant find on the wiki something regarding how to scale the processor to 12/30 Mhz |
| 23:23.47 | Guest69909 | can you help me? |
| 23:23.50 | Chocks | heh |
| 23:24.12 | mickeyl | cesarb got some patches against older versions of the kernel, that would be a good start |
| 23:24.18 | mickeyl | but they need updating for 2.6.29 |
| 23:24.24 | mickeyl | and they're not finished iirc |
| 23:24.43 | Guest69909 | you mean no scaling at all at the moment? |
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| 23:26.08 | mickeyl | correct |
| 23:26.12 | mickeyl | no scaling at all atm. |
| 23:26.19 | mickeyl | it's pretty tough on the s3c series |
| 23:26.27 | mickeyl | [is what the kernel devs say] |
| 23:26.49 | Arakno | o man that cant beeeeeeeee |
| 23:26.55 | mwester | PLLs suck. |
| 23:27.55 | cesarb | It's pretty tough because the same clock goes to the CPU and *all* the peripherals |
| 23:27.59 | mwester | (for example, there are very few valid freq. for the clock that can keep the serial port buad rate within acceptable tolerances) |
| 23:28.10 | cesarb | Including the ones which are sensitive to their frequency (like, oh, all of them) |
| 23:28.33 | cesarb | The serial ports. The timer. The memory controller. The LCD controller. etc, etc, etc |
| 23:28.35 | mickeyl | cesarb: since Andy is no longer with us, I guess you could easily push your patches into the kernel if you wanted to |
| 23:29.05 | Arakno | mhm |
| 23:29.06 | shellevil | oooh. A cesarb! |
| 23:29.07 | cesarb | mickeyl: they'd need to be rebased... and finished, since some important drivers were still not done when I stopped playing with it |
| 23:29.17 | mickeyl | hmm, k |
| 23:29.24 | Arakno | cesarb: where can i find something experimental |
| 23:29.43 | mickeyl | i just think if they were in, some more people could try to finish |
| 23:29.47 | shellevil | offers cesarb a shiny apple to complete his task. |
| 23:30.14 | Arakno | i use the openmoko just for 2 tasks |
| 23:30.16 | mwester | try offering him a nicy shiny apple product instead... like an iphone, perhaps |
| 23:30.18 | Arakno | no graphics at all |
| 23:30.22 | mickeyl | i'm sure some folks would offer some bounties |
| 23:30.26 | mickeyl | if you were interested |
| 23:30.29 | Arakno | it sucks having it at 200mhz all the time |
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| 23:31.12 | shellevil | yeah. I'd offer $10 for it working on gta01 |
| 23:31.34 | mmontour | Do we know what the theoretical power-saving would be from frequency scaling (assuming a tickless kernel and similar optimizations)? |
| 23:32.07 | Arakno | i'd offer shellevil's 10$ too |
| 23:32.19 | mmontour | Just wondering how significant it is compared to (for example) GSM standby current |
| 23:33.47 | Arakno | mhm |
| 23:33.54 | Arakno | does anyone have some link |
| 23:34.11 | Arakno | for something even under development? |
| 23:34.20 | Arakno | i need freqscaling |
| 23:34.47 | shellevil | mmo: it's very important - from what I've read in the datasheets |
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| 23:35.27 | shellevil | mmontour: for example - I've had GTA01 up for about 12 hours, playing mp3, at 60MHz |
| 23:35.30 | Arakno | mhm |
| 23:35.30 | Arakno | 00:33 < Arakno> does anyone have some link |
| 23:35.30 | Arakno | 00:34 < Arakno> for something even under development? |
| 23:35.32 | raster | mmontour: you probably won't know until you try it |
| 23:35.37 | Arakno | ups sorry |
| 23:35.41 | shellevil | GTA02 - I dunno |
| 23:35.48 | mickeyl | <cesarb> mickey|sports: the newest I have is what is at my repository on repo.or.cz |
| 23:35.53 | raster | mmontour: but tickless kernel i'd say is a must anyway |
| 23:36.03 | mickeyl | balrog-kun is owing me a tickless patch anyways ;) |
| 23:36.24 | raster | it increases timer accuracy (or in theory should) as select() no longer is limited to HZ resolution |
| 23:36.43 | raster | so for multimedia/animation etc. thats a "must" |
| 23:36.58 | Arakno | ok, you mean clk & PPL or just clk at 60? |
| 23:37.46 | raster | freqscaling of course will save power - but as best i know on the 2442 its hell as the cpu clock will govern tonnes of stuff |
| 23:37.52 | raster | audio, video refresh and more |
| 23:38.21 | raster | so if u change cpu freq - u need to flush audio buffers then change. you likely need to shut down and re-init many devices |
| 23:38.49 | raster | and video refresh changes can lead to flickering of the screen if the refresh is too low |
| 23:39.06 | Arakno | raster, you talking about changing power modes.. |
| 23:39.09 | raster | ooh wait |
| 23:39.11 | raster | no |
| 23:39.16 | raster | video refrehs was linked on gta01 |
| 23:39.21 | raster | gta02 is separate |
| 23:39.28 | raster | Arakno: clock scaling |
| 23:40.21 | Arakno | what if i wont to init it at 60mhz? |
| 23:40.51 | Arakno | no post-scaling |
| 23:40.54 | raster | init what? when? |
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| 23:49.43 | raster | cesarb: if the driver simple stops activity on a device (allowing others still active to flush)... ? |
| 23:50.16 | cesarb | raster: could be a good idea, especially for things like serial (which has to flush the queues and pause) |
| 23:50.57 | raster | it will mean "blips" |
| 23:50.58 | raster | though |
| 23:51.08 | raster | for audio - unless its the last device to say "ok" |
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| 23:58.40 | vininim | wow, something ate my battery |
| 23:59.42 | shellevil | Nom Nom Nom. |
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