| 00:00.01 | SomeT | for now though ym main concern with the current distro is getting some sort of screensaverr so i can leave it charging |
| 00:00.55 | SomeT | ? |
| 00:01.43 | Zorkman | tried pressing AUX button? |
| 00:01.52 | Zorkman | on some distro's that locks the screen |
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| 00:03.26 | SomeT | yes |
| 00:03.41 | SomeT | it has |
| 00:03.44 | SomeT | toggle fullscreen |
| 00:03.49 | SomeT | swap orientation |
| 00:03.52 | SomeT | and screenshot |
| 00:04.19 | Zorkman | i'm sorry; i haven't tried a recent 2008.x in months |
| 00:04.34 | SomeT | will this still charge if i power it off? |
| 00:04.58 | mmontour | consults the magic 8-ball |
| 00:05.02 | Zorkman | :D |
| 00:05.05 | mmontour | Reply hazy - ask again later |
| 00:05.29 | Zorkman | the magic eightball is a bit hard to shake for most of the girls i met (using shr-testing) |
| 00:05.51 | Zorkman | but's it's very funny to them shake like lunatics :) |
| 00:05.52 | mmontour | (depends on how your distro programs the PMU on shutdown) |
| 00:07.38 | SomeT | does it take long to flash it onto a new distro? |
| 00:08.35 | Zorkman | SomeT: depends on how big the distro is |
| 00:08.56 | Zorkman | if you use linux: 15min? on windows: 40(+?)min |
| 00:09.01 | mmontour | You'll want to have a coffee or something while it's flashing the rootfs. It's only USB1.1 so large images do take a while |
| 00:09.08 | Zorkman | just an estimate though |
| 00:10.23 | SomeT | where is it on the wiki |
| 00:10.28 | SomeT | which tells me how to flash |
| 00:10.40 | SomeT | i aint properly done it on a device like this in years |
| 00:10.56 | mmontour | keyword "dfu-util" should find something relevant |
| 00:11.20 | Zorkman | SomeT: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 00:12.22 | Zorkman | if you use linux http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool is a simple but working GUI |
| 00:12.39 | SomeT | thanks a lot |
| 00:13.01 | SomeT | i just figured out how to lock and dim my screen on the default distro |
| 00:13.04 | SomeT | only problem now |
| 00:13.08 | Zorkman | np we're here to help you :) |
| 00:13.08 | SomeT | i cant unlock it, lol |
| 00:13.19 | Zorkman | how did you lock it and what do you see? |
| 00:13.29 | SomeT | i held down the power button |
| 00:13.36 | SomeT | and it bought me to a power management menu |
| 00:13.41 | SomeT | i just set it to dim then lock |
| 00:13.48 | SomeT | then it comes to a image |
| 00:13.57 | SomeT | with two padlocks |
| 00:13.59 | SomeT | one unlocked |
| 00:14.00 | Zorkman | can't you slide something up/across the screen? |
| 00:14.02 | SomeT | and one locken |
| 00:14.15 | SomeT | thanks |
| 00:14.16 | SomeT | lol |
| 00:14.20 | SomeT | sorted |
| 00:14.24 | Zorkman | :) |
| 00:14.47 | SomeT | i dont think ill be using this mobile to make calls right away, haha |
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| 00:15.19 | SomeT | when the screen is dim |
| 00:15.28 | SomeT | it wont get screen burn right? |
| 00:18.12 | SomeT | ? |
| 00:18.42 | mmontour | Don't worry about screen burn |
| 00:20.03 | Zorkman | yeah there much more real problems to worry about ;) |
| 00:20.07 | SomeT | haha |
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| 00:20.19 | SomeT | im scared if i leave it on charging while i go sleep in a min |
| 00:20.28 | SomeT | i will awaken to find something horribly wrong, lol |
| 00:21.13 | mmontour | AFAIK only one Freerunner so far has actually emitted smoke while charging. Sleep well. |
| 00:21.35 | Zorkman | hehe, yeah and we all saw the pics :) |
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| 00:22.19 | SomeT | how did that happen? |
| 00:22.30 | SomeT | my charger is backwards anyway |
| 00:22.35 | SomeT | the wire comes out the wrong end |
| 00:22.42 | Zorkman | ?? |
| 00:22.52 | mmontour | I never saw an answer to that, only a few guesses of what might have caused it |
| 00:22.53 | SomeT | its a uk plug adapter |
| 00:23.08 | SomeT | what was the room temp etc |
| 00:23.11 | SomeT | to many varibles |
| 00:23.58 | SomeT | i may need some help flashing in the next few days |
| 00:24.05 | SomeT | so u will see me in here again, be sure |
| 00:24.11 | SomeT | to be honest the wiki is useful |
| 00:24.12 | Zorkman | np, you are welcome |
| 00:24.19 | SomeT | just troublesome to read in some respects |
| 00:24.32 | Zorkman | don't start about that or you'll wake Chocks ;) |
| 00:25.10 | Zorkman | SomeT: info about the smoke: http://n2.nabble.com/BrokenMoko-(burnt)-td2371031.html |
| 00:25.24 | Zorkman | later in the thread there are more pictures, when werner analysed the problem |
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| 00:26.12 | SomeT | thats scaring me, lol |
| 00:28.42 | SomeT | how do i tell if my plug is 220v? |
| 00:28.43 | SomeT | lol |
| 00:28.53 | SomeT | i have it plugged into an extension at the mo |
| 00:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: there'll never be any analysis of cause. we can't reproduce so all is left is guessing |
| 00:32.37 | SomeT | my phone is no longer making sound now, lol |
| 00:32.42 | SomeT | dont know whats happened? |
| 00:33.12 | SomeT | when it was locked loads of white terminal writing refreshed on the screen |
| 00:33.15 | SomeT | whats going on? |
| 00:34.29 | SomeT | ??? |
| 00:34.30 | mmontour | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I guess so. At least if you try to reproduce it and fail to do so, you can rule out some of the theories |
| 00:34.58 | mmontour | Did OM test that guy's charger and find out that it was putting out the expected voltage? |
| 00:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | there's not one scenario we could test. |
| 00:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: he hooked up to different chargers afaik |
| 00:36.38 | SomeT | why does my freerunner suddenly have no sound? |
| 00:36.47 | SomeT | it was making sound a moment ago when i pressed buttons? |
| 00:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | including a car adapter |
| 00:37.13 | SomeT | well pressed the screen rather |
| 00:38.05 | SomeT | is it just the default distro |
| 00:38.09 | SomeT | doing what it does best? |
| 00:38.11 | SomeT | haha |
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| 00:38.24 | SomeT | which is messing up constantly of course |
| 00:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | suspend-resume? |
| 00:38.44 | mmontour | DocScrutinizer: well then I'll just keep my fingers crossed that it doesn't happen again |
| 00:38.52 | SomeT | suspen-resume??? |
| 00:39.27 | SomeT | no worries the sound as come back now, lol |
| 00:39.33 | SomeT | it keeps turning itself on and off |
| 00:39.35 | SomeT | how strange |
| 00:40.08 | SomeT | actually no its not |
| 00:40.10 | SomeT | argh, lol |
| 00:41.15 | SomeT | any ideas? |
| 00:41.57 | mmontour | SomeT: forget about it, go to sleep, and try a different distro tomorrow :) |
| 00:43.09 | SomeT | is it the distro then? |
| 00:43.27 | SomeT | is the deafult really that crap then |
| 00:44.27 | SomeT | anyway gotta go |
| 00:44.27 | SomeT | cya |
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| 01:37.57 | Dave | Wtf do I look like? NickServ? |
| 01:38.08 | Dave | Why do people keep messaging me their passwords? |
| 01:42.46 | mwester | Dave, must be like when girls throw their underwear on stage at concerts... or so I hear; I don't get out much. |
| 01:51.01 | Chocky | laffs |
| 01:51.24 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.12 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:57.48 | Dave | Chocky, you might be amazed to know that around 50% of users' nickserv passwords are nothing more than a single profane word |
| 01:58.05 | Dave | or at least based on the last several Pm's I accidentally received :p |
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| 02:00.16 | berk | what FreeRunner GSM for Brazil? |
| 02:01.59 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r3b799c198219 10/ (12 files in 5 dirs): library: move example code into library and strip example |
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| 02:10.43 | Dave | damaestro, hungry? |
| 02:12.13 | CVirus | I'm hungry |
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| 02:12.43 | daMaestro | Dave, just about to have a mark twain (http://www.madgreens.com/) |
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| 02:15.53 | daMaestro | (add spinach, boiled egg and tomatoes) ;-) |
| 02:18.18 | daMaestro | Dave, so it's a bow-tie pasta base, roasted red pepers, cucumbers, red onions, feta cheese, spinach, cherry tomatoes, sliced boiled eggs tossed with medium red wine vinaigrette ;-) |
| 02:18.49 | daMaestro | Dave, a little more sophisticated then a sandwich tonight; but i did pick up a loaf of bread for PBnJs soon |
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| 02:27.57 | KenYoung | Is there a consensus on what the easiest way to do the moko11 upgrade is? |
| 02:28.12 | Chocky | use the SD card image |
| 02:28.20 | Chocky | real easy |
| 02:28.22 | mmontour | the SD-card method, unless it's for a gta01 |
| 02:28.47 | KenYoung | Is there a wiki page explaining the SD-card method? |
| 02:29.07 | Chocky | yes |
| 02:29.13 | Chocky | somewhere ;-) |
| 02:29.25 | mmontour | last time I looked it was at the bottom of the "GSM/Flashing" page |
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| 02:30.11 | KenYoung | OK, I've seen that. The description is a bit cryptic, but I'll take the plunge. Thanks. |
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| 02:35.21 | Dave | Hi Ken :) |
| 02:35.29 | KenYoung | Hi Dave. |
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| 02:36.40 | Dave | :D |
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| 03:31.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r4960 10/developers/werner/bin/ (apply-kernel noise.pl test-build-kernel): |
| 03:31.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Tools for processing kernel patch submissions: |
| 03:31.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - apply-kernel takes a patch from a mail, tentatively applies it, and tests it |
| 03:31.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - test-build-kernel test builds the kernel for a number of configurations |
| 03:31.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - noise.pl filters build output so that only new stuff (e.g., warnings) shows |
| 03:31.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: up |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r4961 10/developers/werner/bin/mdflt: |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Yahoo are right about RFC822 and I was wrong: no whitespace is required |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-54 | openmoko: after the colon. |
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| 03:33.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r4962 10/developers/werner/bin/makek: |
| 03:33.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Make my kernel make script silent. That way, it doesn't clutter the output |
| 03:33.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: when used with noise.pl |
| 03:35.49 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r4963 10/developers/werner/bin/comm4: The times are a-changing: I now use xchat instead of good old plain ircII. |
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| 03:37.54 | KenYoung | Is there anyone only who might be able to answer a question about doing the moko11 upgrade using Joerg's uSD methos? |
| 03:38.09 | KenYoung | Ooops I meant online, not "only" |
| 03:38.10 | Chocky | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 03:41.12 | KenYoung | OK, I copied his image flash-moko11-2.image onto my gta02, and unmounted /media/card, and did dd if=/home/root/flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 . I then tried the NOR uboot from uSD, but it would not boot. Do you know what I've done wrong? |
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| 03:41.42 | Chocky | yes |
| 03:41.53 | Chocky | don't copy it to a partition. The instructions are clear on this. |
| 03:42.27 | KenYoung | So what should I copy it to? |
| 03:42.35 | Chocky | the sd card! |
| 03:42.47 | KenYoung | Which is called? |
| 03:43.03 | Chocky | I could tell you, but I think you can figure it out easily. |
| 03:43.16 | KenYoung | Obviously I can't. |
| 03:43.32 | Chocky | what is "p1"? |
| 03:43.41 | KenYoung | Partition 1? |
| 03:43.55 | KenYoung | So I want mmcblk0 ? |
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| 03:54.50 | KenYoung | Thanks, Chocky. That seems to have done the trick. |
| 03:55.01 | Chocky | :o |
| 03:58.32 | Dave | ;) |
| 03:58.54 | Chocky | http://www.iphoneappratings.org/wolfenstein-3d-classic |
| 03:58.59 | Chocky | that's ok, we have duke3d |
| 03:59.35 | Chocky | and you have to pay for it. fnar. |
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| 04:25.39 | astrocub | "Verizon Wireless recently announced their âAny Apps, Any Deviceâ option for their customers in 2008. With this announcement, a CDMA2K-EVDO-based Openmoko has become a distinct possibility." |
| 04:25.45 | Chocky | hah |
| 04:26.01 | astrocub | CDMA2K-EVDO-based Openmoko, is that what openmoko is or is that a future phone? |
| 04:26.09 | Chocky | it's a fantasy |
| 04:26.15 | astrocub | :\ |
| 04:26.23 | Chocky | as is the Verizon silliness |
| 04:27.05 | astrocub | ah yes, cdma. i remember now, it is silly compared to gsm |
| 04:27.14 | Chocky | foolish! |
| 04:27.27 | Chocky | just think. EDGE |
| 04:27.30 | astrocub | on the bright side, my family's plan ends soon! :) |
| 04:28.01 | Chocky | sweet. sign up for another 2 years :p |
| 04:29.03 | astrocub | not sure what i'll go with, but whatever it is, it's something that will accept an openmoko |
| 04:29.22 | Chocky | T-Mobile or AT&T it is. |
| 04:29.28 | Chocky | has PAYG with TM |
| 04:33.23 | astrocub | oh, wow it uses qtopia as well :) |
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| 04:34.22 | astrocub | and CAD files! :') |
| 04:34.39 | astrocub | this is going to be fun :) |
| 04:34.45 | Chocky | :o |
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| 06:21.21 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Run checkpatch to catch editing glitches. (Also nice to have when using |
| 06:21.21 | CIA-54 | openmoko: test-build-kernel for original changes.) |
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| 08:23.36 | PaulFertser | has just cut his nails to the real minimum and still couldn't reproduce any problems SomeT had with opening the battery compartment. |
| 08:25.05 | Rakshasa | has weak fingernails and bends his thumbnail everytime opening the bock cover. |
| 08:25.13 | Rakshasa | back |
| 08:25.43 | PaulFertser | Rakshasa: you know the mechanics, right? Cut it more so the lever will be shorter. |
| 08:26.20 | Rakshasa | Yeah, But they're always cut to the bare minimum and they still bend. |
| 08:26.40 | PaulFertser | Rakshasa: and push in perpependicular to the back cover, should work without issues ;) |
| 08:27.23 | Rakshasa | Yeah. =P |
| 08:27.27 | PaulFertser | Rakshasa: do you have a cron job to cut your nails regularly? ;) |
| 08:28.14 | Rakshasa | Sure. My brain runs anacron. |
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| 08:38.23 | Psi | hm.. are there any up to date images for gta01 atm? |
| 08:39.17 | PaulFertser | Psi: what distro are you talking about? SHR unstable? |
| 08:39.46 | Psi | doesnt matter |
| 08:39.55 | Psi | i just want to have a play see if i can use it yet |
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| 08:40.38 | Psi | id like grps to work in the gui and it to have a decent webbrowser |
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| 08:45.40 | PaulFertser | Psi: install SHR? |
| 08:46.20 | PaulFertser | Psi: and you can try to install Paroli on SHR or (if it's available) unstable image (paroli included) from downloads.openmoko.org . |
| 08:46.59 | Psi | thanks, ill give it a go |
| 08:51.53 | Wonka | .oO( i'd like the OM to have all the functions and usability of e.g. the iPhone... ) |
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| 09:09.31 | panicking | hi all |
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| 09:12.43 | PaulFertser | panicking: Hey :) |
| 09:15.00 | panicking | panicking, hey |
| 09:15.01 | panicking | :) |
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| 09:20.15 | serdar1 | panicking: where do you live? |
| 09:20.22 | panicking | spain |
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| 09:27.09 | panicking | and you serdar1 ? |
| 09:29.14 | panicking | PaulFertser, good morning from spain |
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| 09:29.37 | PaulFertser | panicking: Heh, good afternoon from Russia :) |
| 09:29.46 | serdar1 | panicking: Germany. I thought you were somwhere our times are different :) |
| 09:30.02 | serdar1 | usa or australia :) |
| 09:30.42 | panicking | serdar1, 10:28 |
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| 09:37.58 | serdar1 | [10:30:38] panicking | serdar1, 10:28 |
| 09:44.32 | dent | 10:30:43 here :) |
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| 09:50.16 | Psi | any idea which tzdata package has new zealand in it? |
| 09:52.33 | joejoe | hi, tried some to install etk web browser? there is some unmet dependency: |
| 09:52.35 | joejoe | /usr/e17/bin/ewww: symbol lookup error: /usr/e17/bin/ewww: undefined symbol: ecore_getopt_parse |
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| 10:32.50 | saracen_ | hmm, nintendo ds stylus seems to be a decent size to use with the freerunner.. if only I could attach it to the phone somehow. |
| 10:33.46 | husku | saracen_: duct tape? |
| 10:34.12 | saracen_ | haha :), wouldnt really be able to take it off and use it again very easily. |
| 10:37.39 | SpeedEvil | hot-melt-glue |
| 10:37.46 | SpeedEvil | run md5sum /dev/zero to remove |
| 10:46.30 | saracen_ | lol, pretty imaginative |
| 10:46.48 | saracen_ | sounds like you've thought about this to solve previous "problems" ;x |
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| 10:56.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r6a3f0fb6456c 10/ (tests/testelementary.vala vapi/evas.vapi): vapi: add init and shutdown to evas.vapi |
| 10:58.07 | panicking | serdar1, can you create a mirror of the image |
| 10:58.26 | panicking | serdar1, can you create a mirror of my images? |
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| 11:00.33 | panicking | serdar1, I have truble with the bandwidth I can't work |
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| 11:11.54 | Psi | whats the best web browser atm? |
| 11:12.07 | Psi | for gta01 / shr |
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| 11:17.58 | husku | Psi: dillo is nice, but does not support everything. yet, i find the lack of support to be suitable for moko since gprs is really slow and screen is small. |
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| 11:18.43 | Psi | do pages render properly? |
| 11:19.04 | husku | Psi: in a way. |
| 11:19.30 | Psi | ok, ill give it a go sometime thx |
| 11:20.56 | husku | Psi: slashdot does not render how you expect, but it is more usable the way dillo does it. |
| 11:21.33 | Psi | got to get shr running from sdcard first, no free space to install anything when running from flash |
| 11:21.55 | SpeedEvil | I personally found firefox (running remotely, displayed on GTA01) quite adequate on the small screen with stylus. |
| 11:22.31 | Psi | are there any high level broswer that run on gta01/02? |
| 11:22.53 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't see why FF wouldn't - in pinciple, I couldn't get it to compile. |
| 11:23.07 | Psi | heh |
| 11:23.13 | SpeedEvil | I have run FF1.5 on a somewhat similar platform - PII/300 with 64M of RAM |
| 11:23.21 | SpeedEvil | And swap of comparable speed. |
| 11:23.33 | SpeedEvil | Once you had over 10 pages open for a while, it could get slow. |
| 11:24.31 | SpeedEvil | But, even noting that the PII is probably twice as fast as GTA01 - at least - it's not going to be very slow for one or two tabs open. |
| 11:24.40 | SpeedEvil | Ok - massive javascript will make it slug. |
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| 11:46.27 | serdar1 | panicking: query |
| 11:46.50 | panicking | Anyone know the application to import contact |
| 11:46.53 | panicking | and put in android |
| 11:46.54 | panicking | ? |
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| 12:52.08 | serdar1 | so back from break :) |
| 12:52.12 | serdar1 | panicking: query? |
| 12:52.36 | panicking | serdar1, |
| 12:52.48 | panicking | go ahead |
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| 13:18.15 | morphis | heyho |
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| 14:10.46 | dwb1 | hi... I got the openmoko phone, and haven't been able to put it down... apart from taking the time to recommend it to people |
| 14:11.10 | dwb1 | Anyways, I created a package for the 'hotspot' access controller coova-chilli : http://www.opkg.org/package_176.html |
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| 14:14.32 | serdar1 | hmm |
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| 14:15.31 | SeligArkin | interesting text message |
| 14:15.35 | SeligArkin | from: _2 |
| 14:15.36 | SeligArkin | erm |
| 14:15.37 | SeligArkin | _@ |
| 14:15.48 | SeligArkin | its empty |
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| 14:31.35 | flohack | I'm trying to use python-distutils on FSO testing but can't find the package. Can someone please provide me with a link for that package? |
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| 14:50.55 | flohack | I'm trying to use python-distutils on FSO testing but can't find the package. Can someone please provide me with a link for that package? |
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| 14:50.56 | flohack | or more general: where can I get additional python modules for openmoko? |
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| 17:58.39 | michael_at_panic | Hi all |
| 17:58.57 | michael_at_panic | mickeyl, I have some question |
| 17:59.07 | michael_at_panic | mickeyl, are you there? |
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| 18:07.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c4dbc2cdc06 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:07.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Refactor RingToneAction and MessageToneAction into a common |
| 18:07.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: UserAlertAction. Add enabling/disabling the vibrator for both as per |
| 18:07.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 'ring-vibration' respectively 'message-vibration' attribute in the profile. |
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| 18:19.33 | serdar1 | do we have a shr nighty build mirror? |
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| 18:25.43 | usr | i've read something about kernel-devices in om 2008.12 |
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| 18:25.55 | Chocks | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.20 | usr | there was a text in the wiki right? |
| 18:26.40 | usr | can't find this... |
| 18:27.52 | usr | where is this article |
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| 18:38.56 | berk | someone speak portuguese? |
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| 18:39.12 | nihil | I know one word in portuguese |
| 18:39.16 | nihil | 'teclado' |
| 18:39.19 | berk | uahuahu |
| 18:39.20 | nihil | it means "keyboard" |
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| 19:18.20 | saracen_ | I'm confused by the amount of choices the wiki offers, so will ask here for personal input. If I wanted to develop an application for my freerunner, what would be the best way to go about it? I run ubuntu, but I'm guessing it's also possible to build on the phone itself, using distcc to speed up the compiling processes? |
| 19:18.49 | shellevil | I'm unsure if distcc handles different architectures |
| 19:18.59 | shellevil | I think it'd only work if you had lots of FRs |
| 19:19.08 | shellevil | what sort of app? |
| 19:19.49 | Chocks | heh |
| 19:20.06 | Chocks | you can cross distcc. But, building on the phone is going to be far from idea. |
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| 19:20.12 | saracen_ | Not yet decided, was just to play around really. I'll probably want to delve in to making some gtk application and messing about with the accelerometers :) |
| 19:20.31 | Chocks | you only distribute the compiling, not the linking, preprocessing and general build heaviness |
| 19:20.47 | saracen_ | Ah, I see. :) |
| 19:20.56 | Chocks | the question is, which distro do you want to develop for? |
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| 19:22.08 | Chocks | slaps the stupid term "Tax season" |
| 19:22.16 | saracen_ | I was hoping that most applications would be able to be ran on multi distros |
| 19:22.21 | saracen_ | run* |
| 19:22.23 | Chocks | hahaha ;) |
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| 19:22.43 | nihil | hrm, anyone ported perl over yet? |
| 19:22.44 | saracen_ | Too much hope? =( |
| 19:22.47 | Chocks | only some of the distros use a real X server |
| 19:23.03 | Chocks | Android is not even a real linux |
| 19:23.48 | saracen_ | Ah, well, I'll stick with SHR for the moment then |
| 19:24.02 | saracen_ | Although, I want to try hackable:1 as soon as my sd card arrives :) |
| 19:24.25 | Chocks | SHR + Debian + FSO should be no problem. |
| 19:24.48 | saracen_ | Ah, good :) |
| 19:24.49 | Chocks | but bear in mind different window manager/framework issues, etc, etc. |
| 19:24.59 | Chocks | so, er, yeah. |
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| 19:26.06 | saracen_ | So, where to start :) |
| 19:26.20 | Chocks | well, I can't tell you that unless you tell us where you want to go |
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| 19:26.52 | PaulFertser | saracen_: you can go python way, btw |
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| 19:27.13 | PaulFertser | saracen_: SHR devs use OE for cross-compiling. |
| 19:27.27 | Chocks | OE = stupid complicated, IMO. |
| 19:27.33 | Chocks | but there isn't much choice |
| 19:27.44 | PaulFertser | saracen_: compiling on FR itself is also possible and is not too annoying for small apps. |
| 19:28.51 | Chocks | moo. |
| 19:28.52 | saracen_ | Yeah, I'd rather compile on my host pc, rather than FR =( |
| 19:29.11 | saracen_ | Chocks: What do you do? :P |
| 19:29.15 | Weiss | when you think about it, OE is just about as simple as it could be, considering what it does |
| 19:29.26 | PaulFertser | saracen_: or avoid compiling altogether by using an interpreted language |
| 19:29.27 | Chocks | I make wise cracks about how broken stuff is ;-) |
| 19:29.32 | sleipnir | use gentoo... |
| 19:29.36 | sleipnir | hides :-) |
| 19:29.41 | Chocks | I am not doing any active development of the type you are talking about right now. |
| 19:29.50 | saracen_ | I see |
| 19:30.07 | saracen_ | PaulFertser: I don't want to learn python yet :) |
| 19:30.14 | nihil | screw python, go perl |
| 19:30.17 | Chocks | I used OE a lot when it was new, and some stuff on OE for OpenWRT |
| 19:30.20 | nihil | :) |
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| 19:30.31 | Chocks | bash is all you need |
| 19:30.50 | nihil | 14:30 < Chocks> bash is all you need |
| 19:30.54 | nihil | ^QFMFT |
| 19:31.03 | Chocks | what? |
| 19:31.11 | nihil | quoted for mother fucking truth ;) |
| 19:31.22 | Chocks | bash.org is also all you need, to complicate the pun |
| 19:33.49 | saracen_ | Well, before you two bash each other off much more... I guess I'll try the OE route, then come back moaning when I get stuck. |
| 19:33.58 | Chocks | sweet |
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| 19:34.07 | shellevil | bash, qdb, b3ta, fmll |
| 19:34.09 | shellevil | fml |
| 19:34.13 | Chocks | dmull |
| 19:34.23 | Chocks | umull |
| 19:34.28 | Chocks | clz |
| 19:34.32 | Weiss | saracen_: to try an make things less confusing: the toolchain gives you the cross-compiler and a few libraries. if you need extra libraries, you have to install them first. this can get troublesome for things with lots of dependencies. OE handles this all automatically, but you have to learn how it works (and it's not easy) |
| 19:34.48 | Chocks | Actually, better not clz, that's ARMv5, doesn't work on FR |
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| 19:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | native gentoo, yeah \o/ lol |
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| 19:47.15 | sleipnir | DocScrutinizer: we compile both native and cross! so no need to make fun of gentoo here ;-) |
| 19:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | ducks |
| 19:49.48 | sleipnir | throws a big '.configure && make ' at DocScrutinizer |
| 19:49.52 | sleipnir | :-) |
| 19:50.06 | Blu3 | i love gentoo, my dist. of choice, but i would use a binhost rather than compiling everything for this :) |
| 19:50.27 | Blu3 | i am planning on switching over to gentoo tho. opkg sucks rabbit balls |
| 19:50.55 | sleipnir | Blu3 -> #gentoo-openmoko |
| 19:50.57 | sleipnir | ;-) |
| 19:51.23 | Blu3 | :) i need to start another irc client to do that |
| 19:51.31 | sleipnir | heheh |
| 19:51.46 | sleipnir | then give http://gentoo.mindzoo.de a try |
| 19:52.31 | Blu3 | been there, planning that |
| 19:52.59 | Blu3 | just don't have the time to focus on it atm. have a couple other projects that gotta be finished before 1may |
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| 19:54.35 | Chocks | fish. |
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| 20:10.52 | ab0oo | has anyone followed the instructions on the wiki for upgrading the calypso firmware in the GTA02? (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ) |
| 20:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: what do you think? |
| 20:12.45 | ab0oo | I think someone probably has. I think I'm hosed, because I get nothing from FLUID |
| 20:13.03 | ab0oo | I don't think my GTA02 is special, so it SHOULD work |
| 20:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | use uSD image! |
| 20:14.27 | ab0oo | and the link to that image is where? |
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| 20:14.49 | ab0oo | nevermind. |
| 20:14.53 | ab0oo | at the bottom of the page |
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| 20:23.28 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r55711ce39f2f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [QUALCOMM MSM] parse HTC proprietary signal strength quality URC |
| 20:24.01 | ab0oo | protip: do not mistype sdb as sda when doing a dd of a raw image to a uSD card. |
| 20:24.13 | Chocks | laffs |
| 20:24.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:24.19 | SpeedEvil | BTDT |
| 20:24.32 | SpeedEvil | Other protip. |
| 20:24.37 | SpeedEvil | mv foo bar |
| 20:24.42 | SpeedEvil | don't type it. |
| 20:24.47 | SpeedEvil | type mv foo ba<tab> |
| 20:24.57 | SpeedEvil | if it completes, then don't do it |
| 20:25.15 | Chocks | mv foo bad? |
| 20:25.38 | ab0oo | mv foo baa and wiped out my entire sheep pr0n collection |
| 20:25.50 | Chocks | you need a shepherd |
| 20:27.44 | ab0oo | will the uSD trick work with Qi? |
| 20:28.07 | Chocks | yes |
| 20:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: it will work with NOR uboot |
| 20:28.31 | ab0oo | gotcha. |
| 20:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I recommended to use NoR |
| 20:28.56 | ab0oo | Qi skipped it and went right to my kernel in flash |
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| 20:30.24 | ab0oo | ok, away we go... |
| 20:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | I was to lazy to write epics lie "IF you don't use Qi, and IF you haven't changed NAND env settings..." |
| 20:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: wait 6min, screen will turn green ->done |
| 20:31.32 | ab0oo | do i need a sim card in to do this? |
| 20:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: (touch screen to resume screensaver) |
| 20:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 20:33.32 | bumbl | PaulFertser: your kernel fixes all my problems |
| 20:33.34 | bumbl | thank you |
| 20:33.49 | PaulFertser | bumbl: does it introduce any other problems? |
| 20:34.01 | bumbl | have not found any at the moment |
| 20:34.20 | PaulFertser | bumbl: why don't we use a kernel like that in SHR by default? |
| 20:34.41 | bumbl | PaulFertser: ask mrmoku ;) |
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| 20:37.43 | PaulFertser | bumbl: do you have a faster channel to share the kernel and modules? |
| 20:37.48 | Chocks | Hi DocScrutizer! |
| 20:37.52 | Chocks | s/hi/hello/ |
| 20:37.57 | Chocks | pokes apt |
| 20:38.13 | Chocks | apt poke DocScrutinizer |
| 20:38.14 | apt | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind DocScrutinizer, pokes DocScrutinizer repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:38.37 | nihil | apt itude update |
| 20:38.51 | nihil | silly bot |
| 20:38.59 | Chocks | apt kill self |
| 20:39.00 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged pseudograviton gun at self |
| 20:39.35 | ab0oo | PaulFertser: the wires in the pictures... is that just clear insulation? |
| 20:39.49 | bumbl | PaulFertser: well i have limited access to a server which is not mine |
| 20:39.51 | ab0oo | (for the bass fix) |
| 20:40.00 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: they are covered in varnish |
| 20:40.18 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: i got this wire from some old transformer i guess. |
| 20:40.21 | bumbl | i might upload it there if it does not generate too much traffic |
| 20:40.24 | Chocks | ab0oo: sounds fishy |
| 20:40.38 | ab0oo | ok. I was afraid you had some kind of black magic occuring there. :) |
| 20:40.53 | Chocks | bass, fish, etc. |
| 20:40.54 | ab0oo | bare copper across the entire RF section |
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| 20:41.31 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: haha, i'm an amature magician, can't do that yet. |
| 20:41.35 | SM2k | is there a dbus api to prevent the phone from going into standby? |
| 20:41.56 | PaulFertser | SM2k: yes, request the CPU resource. |
| 20:42.04 | SM2k | thanks! |
| 20:42.09 | PaulFertser | SM2k: also depends on your rules.yaml |
| 20:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: that's a magic for professionals ;D |
| 20:42.59 | SM2k | DocScrutinizer: the CPU interface or the yaml? |
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| 20:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | SM2k: using unisolated wires to build a circuit that works under water even |
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| 20:44.08 | ab0oo | PaulFertser: what magic does your new kernel provide? |
| 20:44.41 | PaulFertser | SM2k: the rules files tells frameworkd when to suspend. You can tweak it to never suspend on timeout. When the CPU Resource is requested, the suspend rule is never executed. But you need to hold it (if you just do an mdbus request, it will release it immediately, afaik). |
| 20:45.11 | Chocks | don't forget to sacrifice a virgin goat, er SCSI chain, just to make sure. |
| 20:45.23 | SM2k | oh dude. that's evil :-) |
| 20:45.34 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: it's not my kernel, just 24 Mar andy-tracking with two patches that weren't in the repo at that time (windows rndis and some LCM-related fixes) applied. |
| 20:45.56 | Chocks | kernel goodness |
| 20:46.06 | PaulFertser | SM2k: ophonekitd has a script-friendly interface to do that, with reference counting. afaik. |
| 20:46.27 | SM2k | right then. thanks. :-) |
| 20:46.41 | SM2k | I just find it annoying to have to go shut it off every time I start the phone. |
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| 20:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: didn't I write "boot using NOR..." at wiki?? |
| 20:52.17 | ab0oo | I didn't see it. |
| 20:52.20 | ab0oo | so I added it. |
| 20:52.25 | ab0oo | was that wrong? |
| 20:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | it's maybe redundant. but then you didn't see it, so maybe it isn't |
| 20:53.21 | ab0oo | or maybe I'm just not real bright |
| 20:53.30 | ab0oo | I'd certainly tend towards the latter. |
| 20:54.27 | ab0oo | "Insert uSD to your FR, boot from NOR-U-Boot to uSD" |
| 20:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | nah, keep it. there's sure more who didn't see on first glance |
| 20:54.49 | ab0oo | so yes, it's there, and yes, I totally ignored/skipped it. |
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| 20:55.03 | ab0oo | and since idiots tend to travel in herds, I'm sure there are more of us. |
| 20:58.09 | Chocks | moos in a herd like way |
| 20:58.27 | Chocks | but do they travel in hurds? |
| 20:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: succeeded on flashing? |
| 20:58.44 | ab0oo | indeed. |
| 20:58.50 | ab0oo | now I have no GSM at all. |
| 20:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | ok :) |
| 20:58.58 | ab0oo | let me caveat that. |
| 20:59.23 | ab0oo | in flash, I have Koolu's andriod RC1, which apparantly just doesn't work with GSM |
| 20:59.29 | ab0oo | the flash did nothing to help that. |
| 20:59.34 | Chocks | heh |
| 20:59.53 | ab0oo | I had an old version of FSO on SD, and when I started that, it didn't see the GSM modem either. |
| 21:00.17 | ab0oo | that concerns me, so I'm falling back to my favorite, QTExtended, which is about 1/2 flashed to NAND |
| 21:00.49 | ab0oo | I _KNOW_ that GSM worked there at one point. If I don't have GSM there.... I'm going to buy a G1 from T-Mobile and use the Freerunner as a doorstop. |
| 21:00.56 | Chocks | :( |
| 21:01.09 | Chocks | wonders about SHR on G1 |
| 21:01.57 | ab0oo | really, the basic core problem is that the GSM buzz on phonecalls to from the GTA02 to my wife's razor is so bad, she just hangs up on me. |
| 21:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: who told ya Qi would work with GSM? |
| 21:02.14 | Chocks | maybe she's trying to tell you something ;-) |
| 21:02.22 | ab0oo | in many cases, I'm ok with her hangin up on me. :) |
| 21:02.27 | Chocks | laffs |
| 21:02.38 | ab0oo | DocScrutinizer: no one. I'm just pushing buttons and turning knobs. |
| 21:02.49 | Chocks | the buzz on mine seems very minor, but I've not used it that much as a phone |
| 21:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: either update to a relly recent kernel, or go back to uBoot |
| 21:03.32 | ab0oo | that's just it. I kinda need a phone. I lost my T-Mobile RAZR the day before the Freerunner arrived (July of last year) |
| 21:03.52 | ab0oo | I've been limping along with minimal cellphone for almost a year now. |
| 21:03.57 | Chocks | brave |
| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | join a buzzfix party! |
| 21:04.16 | Chocks | I have personally been using a pink RAVZ until two weeks ago |
| 21:04.24 | Chocks | er, razr. |
| 21:04.32 | Chocks | And I mean, bright pink |
| 21:04.47 | ab0oo | DocScrutinizer: how does the bootloader affect GSM? |
| 21:05.01 | ab0oo | isn't that all Qi is, a replacement for U-boot? |
| 21:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't init tty, old kernel doesn't either |
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| 21:05.30 | Chocks | I know Doc is ignoring me. Perhaps ab0oo is too, and I'm really talking to myself. |
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| 21:05.56 | ab0oo | I'm just wondering what kind of person caries around a pink razr, other than my 15yo daughter |
| 21:06.01 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: or to be more precise, qi doesn't set GPIOs to output and an old kernel for some reason doesn't do that too. |
| 21:06.14 | Chocks | ab0oo: my wife did. So, I inherited it. |
| 21:06.38 | ab0oo | Chocks: the mixed blessing of a GSM phone.. |
| 21:06.44 | Chocks | as with you, plan was to use FR, but that's still not in great shape |
| 21:07.04 | Chocks | but seemed good enough as of two weeks ago with qtopia for normal phone usage. |
| 21:07.07 | ab0oo | PaulFertser: so I need to go back to U-Boot? |
| 21:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | or update kernel |
| 21:07.30 | ab0oo | "recent kernel" seems either a) vague or b) hard to come by |
| 21:07.32 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: the latest qi reverts to the wrong behaviour |
| 21:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | guy don't you listen? ;-D |
| 21:07.54 | Chocks | Friend of mine went out a bought a bright pink phone (some AT&T thing). turned out it was not nearly as pink as my razr. |
| 21:08.05 | ab0oo | only halfway. I'm having a major architectural decision in a work IRC channel. sorry. |
| 21:08.10 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: a recent kernel works for me. |
| 21:08.18 | ab0oo | PaulFertser: with what distro? |
| 21:08.30 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: Debian with FSO from git. |
| 21:09.10 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: also that particular GPIO "issue" could be easily workarounded in userspace with s3c24xx-gpio utility. |
| 21:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | yup, that as well |
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| 21:09.59 | ab0oo | is there a place where I can read about the GPIO issue? |
| 21:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | the "userspace kernelpatch" |
| 21:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | err, ML? |
| 21:11.02 | ab0oo | unfortunately, I lost track of the mailing list in September or so. |
| 21:11.13 | ab0oo | lost interest, lost track, same same. |
| 21:11.35 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: s3c24xx-gpio H1=F; s3c24xx-gpio H2=F |
| 21:11.50 | ab0oo | there are only so many hours in a day, and spending more than 1 of them reading about why my cell phone sucks wasn't doing it. |
| 21:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: so here is the perfect place to get some help and info ;) |
| 21:12.11 | ab0oo | hence, my presence |
| 21:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | ab0oo: at least we now can tell why you failed on manual gsm-update :D |
| 21:13.15 | ab0oo | because my GPIOs were farked up? |
| 21:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:13.25 | ab0oo | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/004978.html |
| 21:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:14.00 | ab0oo | gah. |
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| 21:14.10 | nihil | hrm, does the FR do speakerphone? |
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| 21:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | *in theory* yes |
| 21:14.58 | nihil | in practice? |
| 21:15.08 | nihil | too noisy I'm guessing? |
| 21:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | state unknown |
| 21:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | recent echo fixes might give U a working speakerphone |
| 21:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | seems nobody cared to test that yet |
| 21:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | a while ago speakerphone was fubar due to echo and feedback |
| 21:17.10 | nihil | heh, like half the other phones on the market |
| 21:17.31 | nihil | thats one reason I've always bought moto up until the FR |
| 21:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | :D |
| 21:17.45 | nihil | but I got annoyed with p2k |
| 21:17.57 | nihil | and ordered a FR the other night, should be here tomorrow |
| 21:18.20 | nihil | are the screens fairly durable? |
| 21:18.39 | nihil | might get some clear lamin-x and cover it |
| 21:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | open front lid and apply a screenprotector, so you're happy anyway |
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| 21:20.14 | Chocks_ | they are, but they get super dirty |
| 21:20.18 | Chocks_ | stupid IRD |
| 21:20.20 | Chocks_ | er, IRC |
| 21:21.13 | Chocks_ | I got a screen wossname from ebay, but they cut it the wrong size. I had them send a replacement |
| 21:21.56 | nihil | lamin-x is often used to protect car headlight lenses |
| 21:22.18 | nihil | http://www.lamin-x.com/ |
| 21:22.28 | nihil | good stuff from what I've heard |
| 21:22.36 | Chocks_ | And there's a wiki page on one option, you've probably seen |
| 21:22.48 | Chocks_ | that page has you remove the front cover and cut it bigger |
| 21:22.53 | nihil | havent gone through the wiki in too much depth, just the "getting started" stuff |
| 21:23.34 | Chocks_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-Openmoko-Neo-Freerunner_W0QQitemZ120394219520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item120394219520 |
| 21:23.36 | Chocks_ | is what I got |
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| 21:25.14 | Chocks_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_protection_-_ARMR200_film |
| 21:26.39 | Chocks_ | my protector you don't notice, and feels the same. Only thing is, it put it in my pocket with my keys, and the cover has hole in it. guess that's why they give you 2 :p |
| 21:26.55 | Chocks_ | at least the screen itself doesn't have a hole in it |
| 21:27.01 | nihil | yeah no doubt |
| 21:27.40 | Chocks_ | The measurements I told them (from the wiki) were nearly exact, but it could still have been 1/2mm wider. |
| 21:28.02 | Chocks_ | the original wrong sized ones were 1mm too short each way. it would have been obvious at the edges |
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| 21:30.04 | shellevil | 5mm or so more, and trim it carefully once on once removing the case. |
| 21:30.15 | shellevil | (trimming the flex-cable is bad) |
| 21:30.30 | nihil | I'm expecting it to sit on my desk for the first few weeks, but once I start carrying it around I'll want to add some screen protection |
| 21:30.45 | Chocks_ | certainly that seems like the best fit. I guess I read too much into their promise about them having the exact sizes ;-) plus I didn't want the hassle. |
| 21:31.38 | ab0oo | can the latest U-Boot boot from ext2/3 in partition 1 on the uSD card? Now I can't get the damn phone to even boot (flashed latest uboot over Qi) |
| 21:31.49 | ab0oo | to fix the GPIO problems. :) |
| 21:32.20 | nihil | the uboot on my ngw100 has no problems with ext2/3 |
| 21:32.20 | nihil | dont recall what version it is |
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| 21:34.34 | ab0oo | gah, I'm off to the distro page to find something I can use.. |
| 21:34.58 | nihil | looks like I might be running uboot 1.3.3 |
| 21:35.02 | nihil | on that board |
| 21:35.17 | PaulFertser | ab0oo: you could have flashed the latest Qi as well as it reverts to the buggy behaviour compatible with old kernels. |
| 21:35.48 | ab0oo | damned if I do, damned if I don't. :) I like the menu in u-boot anyway. |
| 21:36.30 | ab0oo | I'm going to try this: uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr1 with this: openmoko-fso-paroli-image-glibc-ipk--20090326-om-gta02 from unstable/daily |
| 21:36.40 | nihil | do you get serial terminal over usb? |
| 21:36.50 | ab0oo | another 4 minutes of downloading. then straight to uSD |
| 21:37.57 | Chocks | nihil: never been able to make that work. missing some rune. |
| 21:38.13 | nihil | hrm |
| 21:38.23 | Chocks | admittedly, didn't try very hard. |
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| 21:39.05 | nihil | wonder if I should have picked up a debug board too |
| 21:39.28 | Chocks | naw |
| 21:39.35 | Chocks | not much reason, unless you are super hard core |
| 21:40.11 | Chocks | But certainly a working serial kernel console would be handy for my stuff sometimes |
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| 21:40.37 | nihil | I doubt my dragons JTAG would be compatible anyway |
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| 21:41.01 | Chocks | there's so many freakin' ways to do JTAG |
| 21:41.17 | nihil | yeah, it's more of a suggestion than a standard |
| 21:41.31 | Chocks | tried to JTAG his Roku netflix box to hack it. didn't get far enough to be helpful. |
| 21:42.05 | Chocks | there's a serial interface on that, but you seem to be locked out of its u-boot |
| 21:42.28 | Chocks | http://www.linuxhints.info/index.php/Roku_Netflix_Player |
| 21:44.11 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * rc8a5d02e3973 10/vapi/elm.vapi: [Hoversel] item_add(... icon_file can be NULL |
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| 21:45.04 | nihil | hrm, looks like some people have been having issues with the 73000G sim card |
| 21:45.26 | Chocks | stupid open source hardware ;-) |
| 21:45.28 | nihil | same one I have in my BB that I was going to use in the FR |
| 21:45.44 | nihil | one person says it works |
| 21:45.49 | nihil | if you position it just right |
| 21:47.28 | Chocks | sigh. stupid customers |
| 21:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | nihil: update to MOKO11 and insert card correctly. I'd guess that'll do the trick |
| 21:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | nihil: you most probably won't find debubo a necessity |
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| 21:49.24 | nihil | debubo? |
| 21:49.29 | nihil | the debug board? |
| 21:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | everybody who has a reasonable use for debubo doesn't wonder whether he has |
| 21:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:50.10 | nihil | with me, I never know just how deep I'm going to jump into something until it's sitting in my lap |
| 21:50.18 | Chocks | apt tell DocScrutinizer hello |
| 21:50.29 | Chocks | silly apy |
| 21:50.30 | nihil | didnt think I'd need one for AVRs, but glad I got one |
| 21:50.30 | Chocks | silly apt |
| 21:51.01 | nihil | granted I dont use the debug features all that much, but it has come in handy |
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| 21:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | nihil: there's no shortage on debubo for the enxt couple of years |
| 21:51.57 | nihil | yeah, can always pick it up later |
| 21:52.18 | nihil | but that means stopping a project for 3+ days waiting for it to show up :) |
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| 21:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah a lot of crap piling up in my attik which I bought for same reason ;) |
| 21:54.14 | shellevil | It'll come in handy. |
| 21:54.20 | shellevil | On an unrelated topic. |
| 21:54.31 | shellevil | Anyone want some 6116 SRAMs? |
| 21:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | I remeber 7414 going up to some 50 bucks when they discontinued it. same for 8085 |
| 22:01.44 | SpeedEvil | is currently throwing out much DIP TTL. |
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| 22:07.45 | Psi | does the disconnection once a day in SHR happen on gta01 too? |
| 22:08.07 | Psi | just wondering if its a gta02 modem issue or global issue |
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| 22:23.22 | SomeT | hello again |
| 22:23.25 | SomeT | i need some help |
| 22:23.25 | Psi | SpeedEvil: whats with the DIP TTL hate? |
| 22:23.40 | SomeT | how do i get the terminal on the fefault distro to read my sdhc card? |
| 22:26.33 | SomeT | ? |
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| 22:33.21 | SomeT | how do i get the terminal on the fefault distro to read my sdhc card? |
| 22:33.22 | SomeT | ? |
| 22:33.37 | Chocks | mount? |
| 22:33.52 | Chocks | still struggling with default distro :p |
| 22:34.08 | SomeT | yeah, lol |
| 22:34.14 | SomeT | im gonna change it at the weekend |
| 22:34.23 | SomeT | for exmaple at the moment im drifting slowly into sleep |
| 22:34.27 | SomeT | i just bought a new sdhc card |
| 22:34.39 | SomeT | i want to make sure the device is picking it up |
| 22:34.42 | Chocks | could be that FR and/or kernel don't support your SHDC |
| 22:34.50 | Chocks | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 22:36.39 | SomeT | where is forward slash? |
| 22:36.50 | SomeT | i cant find it on my phone |
| 22:38.36 | Chocks | heh |
| 22:38.46 | Chocks | it's on your computer's keyboard, via ssh :p |
| 22:39.05 | SomeT | ssh? |
| 22:39.10 | Chocks | dear me |
| 22:39.15 | SomeT | come on |
| 22:39.16 | Chocks | you know what ssh is, right? |
| 22:39.23 | SomeT | im really tired |
| 22:39.26 | SomeT | gimme a break |
| 22:39.37 | Chocks | I am. what's your question? |
| 22:39.54 | SomeT | what is ssh? |
| 22:40.09 | Chocks | I thought you said you were familiar with Linux, or did I misremember? |
| 22:40.21 | SomeT | i thought i was, haha |
| 22:40.25 | SomeT | im familiar with using it |
| 22:40.38 | Chocks | seems not ;) Please go read the USB networking page on the wiki. |
| 22:40.50 | SomeT | ok |
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| 22:41.37 | faltantornillos | Hello. Is it a way to activate the vibration while recieving calls or sms's in shr? please. |
| 22:42.02 | Chocks | ono.com sucks. hm. |
| 22:42.11 | Chocks | their DHCP is odd. |
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| 22:45.39 | SomeT | gota go |
| 22:45.39 | SomeT | cya |
| 22:45.55 | rooly | and i'm back |
| 22:46.05 | Chocks | I'm forward |
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| 23:04.30 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r264a3d29d362 10/docs/ogsmd/ (qualcomm_msm/commands qualcomm_msm/urcs ti_calypso/commands): docs: add 'commands' and 'urcs' describing proprietary commands/URCs |
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| 23:05.24 | Dave | Hello gentlemen |
| 23:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | hi Dave :) |
| 23:07.23 | Dave | Hey Joerg :D |
| 23:07.28 | Dave | How are the bats? :) |
| 23:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | highlive :-) |
| 23:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'll follow son |
| 23:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | soon |
| 23:08.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r128fd2ce78f8 10/vapi/elm.vapi: |
| 23:08.13 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Definition of Elm.HoverselItem. if I don't keep a reference to it, the item will |
| 23:08.14 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: be freed by glib (and nothing is shown in the hoversel) as it is currently |
| 23:08.14 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: defined as an empty struct in eflvala, I get errors when maintaining an Array or |
| 23:08.14 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: a list of them |
| 23:08.14 | Chocks | D! |
| 23:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | pub inspection tour ;-) |
| 23:13.41 | Dave | :D |
| 23:13.52 | Dave | Joerg, you're the new pub inspector? :) |
| 23:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | I've always been -- undercover ;) |
| 23:14.49 | Chocks | Dave: when the hell is this West Coast meeting :p |
| 23:15.26 | Dave | I DON'T KNOW |
| 23:15.30 | Dave | I came on to figure that out! |
| 23:15.55 | Chocks | name a date suitably far in the future that there's a non-zero chance you'll be organized. |
| 23:18.03 | Dave | hahaha |
| 23:18.07 | Dave | good start |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r329e56c66ae3 10/vapi/elm.vapi: |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Definition of Elm.HoverselItem. if I don't keep a reference to it, the |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: item will be freed by glib (and nothing is shown in the hoversel) as it is |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: currently defined as an empty struct in eflvala, I get errors when maintaining |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: an Array or a list of them" |
| 23:18.56 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 128fd2ce78f8970e8ac894c31b88945b3cba978d. |
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| 23:24.39 | lymeca | My Aux button is blinking red rapidly and my FR won't wake up, even if I press and hold either button (or both) |
| 23:24.57 | mmontour | kernel panic (crash) |
| 23:27.47 | lymeca | mmontour: Do I have to pul out the battery |
| 23:27.58 | Chocks | yes. |
| 23:27.59 | mmontour | yes (and unplug the USB power) |
| 23:28.10 | Chocks | shakes Dave |
| 23:28.16 | Chocks | apt shake Dave |
| 23:28.17 | apt | ACTION shakes Dave vigorously and hangs him out to dry |
| 23:30.29 | Chocks | apt love Dave |
| 23:30.30 | apt | If you love Dave so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 23:30.37 | Chocks | apt marry Dave |
| 23:32.21 | Chocks | expresses shock at the prices vintage crap out of his drawer is reaching on ebay. |
| 23:33.03 | Chocks | $80 for something I thought would get $10. well, part of it is the buyers are paying in GBP for $, so that's cheap right now. still. |
| 23:33.04 | lymeca | When I boot up SHR testing, I check to see WiFi is on then I open Mofi but it's just grey, nothing to choose from. |
| 23:33.16 | Chocks | lymeca: heh. it takes ages, if it comes up at all |
| 23:33.40 | lymeca | ...really? Why is that? |
| 23:34.08 | Chocks | cos there's no good wifi manager for FreeRunner. Except for the one in Android, and that can't save settings in last release. |
| 23:34.22 | Chocks | comedy? oh yes. |
| 23:38.26 | lymeca | Isn't Android still plagues by keyoard issues? |
| 23:38.36 | Chocks | not cupcake |
| 23:38.53 | Chocks | keyboard works pretty well |
| 23:43.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r32a804733b25 10/vapi/elm.vapi: |
| 23:43.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: vapi: change reference types to classes (were wrongly flagged as structs) |
| 23:43.16 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: vapi: complete ToolbarItem and ListItem |
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