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| 00:17.53 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
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| 00:53.09 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 00:53.26 | pARAd0X85 | I want some one open minded and have time to speak with |
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| 01:00.26 | slaxxin | this paroli seems very fast |
| 01:00.59 | slaxxin | speak your mind somebody willl answer |
| 01:02.06 | slaxxin | in the openmoko channel,, openmindedness is abound |
| 01:03.46 | slaxxin | so is there not anything else in paroli? |
| 01:03.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.14 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.26 | Weiss | gggfgfgfgf |
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| 01:06.41 | Weiss | sorry, interweb connection failure |
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| 01:13.31 | Chocky | openmokomindedness |
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| 01:20.06 | DaveLab | Good evening. |
| 01:24.33 | DaveLab | Chox |
| 01:24.47 | pARAd0X85 | ok |
| 01:25.14 | pARAd0X85 | how do you imagine yourself manipuling the openmoko ? |
| 01:25.21 | pARAd0X85 | in the futur ? |
| 01:25.24 | DaveLab | Telepathy? |
| 01:25.27 | pARAd0X85 | by gesture ? |
| 01:25.27 | DaveLab | Mind control? |
| 01:25.28 | pARAd0X85 | :D |
| 01:25.30 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 01:25.34 | pARAd0X85 | it exists !! |
| 01:25.35 | DaveLab | hehe |
| 01:26.07 | pARAd0X85 | sure ! it really exists |
| 01:27.04 | DaveLab | HOOK IT TO YOUR BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN! |
| 01:27.10 | DaveLab | ... just watch out for zombies ;) |
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| 01:46.30 | Chocky | Dave |
| 01:47.22 | Chocky | well, been using SHR for a day now. Let's just say it needs some work :p |
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| 02:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: howdy |
| 02:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | watch wetware wirus err virus, Dave ! ;D |
| 02:21.20 | nezza-_- | ignore the (soft) registration deadline <- (about the developer challenge) does that mean 'a day later is also okay'? |
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| 02:31.39 | mjr | Some testing on how much extra IO journaling really does, in light of SSD wear (though it leaves a bit open if there's a lot of write amplification and stuff going on on SDs) |
| 02:31.44 | mjr | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/ |
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| 02:43.16 | mmontour | mjr: nice link. It's good to have some actual numbers instead of just hand-waving. |
| 02:46.45 | rooly | and back |
| 02:47.03 | rooly | is so totally gonna hack up mirko-paroli's apps |
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| 03:22.20 | Dave | hack it! |
| 03:22.29 | Chocky | hack it good! |
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| 03:25.22 | rooly | i plan to |
| 03:25.23 | rooly | like the whore it is! |
| 03:26.56 | Chocky | rooly good! |
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| 03:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: whatsup? |
| 03:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | apt: poke Dave |
| 03:29.41 | apt | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Dave, pokes Dave repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 03:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, okay... |
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| 03:31.50 | Dave | hehe |
| 03:31.53 | Dave | Hey Joerg |
| 03:32.06 | Dave | Was just checking your name on the FSOSHRUDCON page :) |
| 03:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | huHH, it's alive!! |
| 03:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | :D |
| 03:32.32 | Dave | :) |
| 03:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | like my new ancient link about Real Programmers? |
| 03:33.32 | Chocky | FSOTOOMANYLETTERS |
| 03:34.27 | Dave | agreed |
| 03:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | was kinda guideline for me back when it's been new |
| 03:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | well 25y and only few has changed ;P |
| 03:36.07 | Chocky | muh |
| 03:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | still you can code FORTRAN style in virtually every language |
| 03:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | thought about Paul and raster chatting about how to teach students how to program |
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| 03:43.07 | Chocky | I program in bash all day. good times. |
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| 03:46.06 | Zorkman | the pulch |
| 03:47.27 | Zorkman | some more info about your good times: http://www.fat-pie.com/pulch.htm ;-) |
| 03:48.41 | Zorkman | i wish i knew somebody called luxembourg with a reassuring arm :) |
| 03:48.54 | Chocky | heh |
| 03:54.10 | ZzZzZZman | sleep tight and don't let the bad mokos explode |
| 03:56.17 | slaxxin | dave is surrounded |
| 03:57.42 | Chocky | by? |
| 04:02.58 | Dave | ? |
| 04:03.10 | slaxxin | mokos |
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| 06:18.02 | jhass840 | Does anyone know where I can find the source files for SHR's keyboard (specifically predictive) and dictionary? |
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| 06:46.21 | PaulFertser | jhass840: it's in enlightment svn. |
| 06:47.54 | jhass840 | PaulFertser: Oh, so I can't just ssh into my freerunner and play around with them? |
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| 06:48.39 | PaulFertser | jhass840: You can play with dictionary contents easily. The code is C and i guess compiling it is a bit slow on the device. |
| 06:50.21 | jhass840 | PaulFertser: Oh okay, thanks |
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| 07:34.07 | raster | hi ho... hi ho |
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| 09:46.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:49.25 | tig| | 'nings |
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| 09:50.45 | lymeca | I don't have a microSD card... can I not use QTopia? |
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| 09:52.00 | PaulFertser | lymeca: can't you flash it to nand? |
| 09:52.15 | lymeca | Just looking at instruction on the wiki |
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| 09:58.41 | methril|work | morning |
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| 10:18.28 | henk | PaulFertser: quote from a mail from Cedric Berger: And Paul Ferster wrote about a modification related to buzz... |
| 10:19.04 | PaulFertser | henk: A7 will fix buzz for internal mic. |
| 10:19.07 | henk | PaulFertser: is that a DIY fix? |
| 10:19.16 | PaulFertser | henk: A8 is supposed to fix it for headset too. |
| 10:19.24 | PaulFertser | henk: A7 is a factory-reworked A6. |
| 10:20.25 | henk | PaulFertser: i know and joergs buzz fix can be done by a solding-experienced person... how about yours? |
| 10:20.52 | PaulFertser | henk: there's no "my" buzz fix. |
| 10:21.21 | PaulFertser | henk: "wrote about a modification" doesn't mean i wrote about "my" modification. I wrote about modification in general. |
| 10:22.00 | PaulFertser | henk: if you're asking about the DIY fix for headset mic, yes, i think i described what Joerg proposed on IRC. It's very impractical, nobody has tried that so far. |
| 10:25.59 | lymeca | Confused about all the options here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 10:26.08 | lymeca | I want full, not lite testing SHR for my FR |
| 10:26.27 | lymeca | Are uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin the same? |
| 10:26.41 | PaulFertser | lymeca: yes, i think it's symlink. |
| 10:26.49 | lymeca | Also are shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090303-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 the same? |
| 10:27.22 | lymeca | PaulFertser: Do I need the modules file? |
| 10:27.42 | lymeca | Or just the .bin for the kernel and .jffs2 for the root FS |
| 10:30.01 | PaulFertser | lymeca: I guess jffs2 root is enough. |
| 10:32.22 | PaulFertser | lymeca: you might be also interested to try Paroli |
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| 10:36.56 | lymeca | PaulFertser: Paroli? I was going to use Qi as my bootloader |
| 10:37.24 | lymeca | Oh I see, Paroli instead of SHR |
| 10:37.47 | lymeca | Hmm not much info on the wiki page. |
| 10:37.57 | lymeca | SHR is very clear about what works and I am impressed with that. |
| 10:40.56 | PaulFertser | lymeca: you can install paroli on a working SHR distro. |
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| 10:47.34 | henk | PaulFertser: ok, thanks for clarification :) |
| 10:47.54 | henk | lymeca: no, paroli ist just yet another framework to use another framework which is used by SHR... |
| 10:48.28 | lymeca | That sentence confused me even more. |
| 10:50.06 | PaulFertser | lymeca: let me say that in other words: |
| 10:50.20 | PaulFertser | lymeca: SHR is using FSO as its middleware. |
| 10:50.34 | PaulFertser | lymeca: Paroli is using FSO as its middleware too. |
| 10:51.32 | PaulFertser | lymeca: but Paroli is a single python framework allowing creation of other programs as a simple plugins. |
| 10:53.14 | PaulFertser | (extra "a" and other mistakes shouldn't make it too unclear, i hope...) |
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| 10:57.14 | henk | lymeca: welcome to the openmoko software jungle... |
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| 10:57.38 | lymeca | Yeh okay that helps I think. |
| 10:57.45 | lymeca | I'm just going to try SHR testing for now. |
| 10:58.17 | henk | i wonder how paroli will be packaged for debian... |
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| 12:23.51 | husku | i ran opkg upgrade on my shr-unstable and now E segv's, anyone else having problems? |
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| 12:32.50 | nezza-_- | husku: which part of E? |
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| 12:33.22 | husku | nezza-_-: i just started to debug. on startup it fails after: EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj, group e/modules/kbd/base/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ??? Problem part is: e.text.label Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result. |
| 12:34.07 | husku | nezza-_-: after that there is a few ok looking rows and then **** SEGMENTATION FAULT **** |
| 12:35.46 | husku | nezza-_-: http://paste-it.net/public/m7eeef0/ |
| 12:38.44 | laen | Very cool. |
| 12:43.57 | husku | nezza-_-: i have no clue what to do next, any advice? |
| 12:54.15 | husku | is there any channels for shr ? |
| 12:54.19 | husku | irc-channels |
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| 12:56.43 | Wonka | http://www.openpandora.de/ - do want. with added BT and GSM+HSPA, preferrably |
| 12:57.14 | Weiss | husku: #openmoko-cdevel |
| 12:57.18 | henk | dito |
| 13:00.56 | husku | Weiss: oh, i forgot that, thanks :) |
| 13:01.16 | husku | nezza-_-: i got it fixed. just needed to remove /home/root/.e directory |
| 13:01.55 | husku | nezza-_-: and on the next startup, E presented setup screens and after those it works |
| 13:04.14 | nezza-_- | husku: ah okay.. |
| 13:04.24 | nezza-_- | husku: sorry, i was afk |
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| 13:04.49 | husku | nezza-_-: np. better this way. first one that i fixed by myself :) |
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| 13:45.52 | Chocky | well, my SHR setup is hosed |
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| 13:59.01 | husku | Chocky: how come? |
| 13:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 13:59.32 | husku | Chocky: i had some problems with unstable updates today, related to E startup |
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| 14:11.42 | gromgull | Is anyone else having their posts to the community mailinglist not show up? |
| 14:13.05 | xiangfu | yes. i just post two emails. and all not show up. |
| 14:14.51 | gromgull | oh well - i guess I ahve to do some work work |
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| 14:27.08 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r0aaf0fb61c94 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): add a --disable-examples configure option. |
| 14:30.04 | henk | xiangfu, gromgull: patience ;) your mails just arrived here. at least your two xiangfu |
| 14:30.31 | gromgull | thanks henk |
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| 14:44.00 | xiangfu | thanks henk :-) |
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| 15:01.58 | Sup3rkiddo | it shouldnt take longer than 2-3 hours to bring the battery from a comatose to a 'just-enought-to-boot' stage.. right? |
| 15:05.45 | Chocks | heh |
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| 15:33.18 | Sup3rkiddo | it shouldnt take longer than 2-3 hours to bring the battery from a comatose to a 'just-enought-to-boot' stage.. right? |
| 15:38.15 | gromgull | Sup3rkiddo: I think mine is bootable in less than 1h |
| 15:38.44 | max_posedon | neo can be booted without battery at all (via usb-cable too) |
| 15:38.47 | Sup3rkiddo | gromgull, *groan* |
| 15:39.02 | Chocks | not always |
| 15:39.06 | max_posedon | always |
| 15:39.10 | Sup3rkiddo | its not booting, i read the wiki as well.. strangely enough it worked with my friend's battery |
| 15:39.11 | gromgull | max_posedon: Mine certainly cannot |
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| 15:39.23 | max_posedon | you should do |
| 15:39.29 | Chocks | It's clearly not true, why are you contridicting me like a 3 year old? |
| 15:39.30 | max_posedon | 1. remove battery from neo |
| 15:39.35 | Chocks | The Wiki has a big section o nthis |
| 15:39.46 | max_posedon | 2. insert usb to destkop |
| 15:39.48 | Chocks | had a hell of a time getting his to boot. |
| 15:40.05 | max_posedon | 3. press AUX and don't release it |
| 15:40.16 | max_posedon | 4. insert usb-mini to neo |
| 15:40.16 | Chocks | uh huh. |
| 15:40.25 | max_posedon | 5. release AUX |
| 15:40.36 | Chocks | tried all this. |
| 15:40.37 | max_posedon | 6. next AUX+POWER will boot device |
| 15:40.47 | Sup3rkiddo | tries the trick |
| 15:40.50 | Chocks | In the end I had to jury rig wires with a nokia battery. |
| 15:42.01 | gromgull | max_posedon: ok - I'll try next time I have the useless brick in my hand :) |
| 15:43.51 | gromgull | max_posedon: is this dependent on boot loader or will it work with qi and qboot alike? |
| 15:43.56 | gromgull | (qboot? What is it called?) |
| 15:43.58 | Chocks | heh |
| 15:44.20 | Chocks | presumes it relies on (a) luck and (b) NOR u-boot. |
| 15:44.27 | max_posedon | gromgull, boot loader doesn't metter I think, problem is "power on" device. |
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| 15:44.37 | Chocks | and why the hell isn't it described in wiki, if it's just a fantastic fix? |
| 15:45.12 | Zorkman | fix for? |
| 15:45.28 | Chocks | Don't worry, just more shit that should be documented, but isn't. |
| 15:45.52 | max_posedon | I don't know, I isn't author of this trick. |
| 15:45.59 | Chocks | Doesn't matter. |
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| 15:47.56 | max_posedon | Chocks, as I see it descibed |
| 15:47.58 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues |
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| 15:48.14 | max_posedon | Can't boot with discharged or missing battery ; Workarounds 5 |
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| 15:57.29 | Chocks | retractible _ ? |
| 15:59.16 | Zorkman | can anyone recommend me a rather recent and working android image (i want to boot from SD) |
| 15:59.26 | Zorkman | i heard some good stuff about http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ |
| 15:59.31 | Zorkman | anything better? |
| 15:59.41 | Chocks | That is the best one until they make a release of the merged koolu stuff |
| 15:59.52 | th0br0 | Zorkman: I'm using the newest cupcake build there plus uImage v15-1 |
| 16:00.01 | th0br0 | eeh v15-ex1 |
| 16:00.11 | th0br0 | works like a charm |
| 16:00.22 | Chocks | SD booting is a bit fiddly, however |
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| 16:00.39 | Zorkman | Chocks: heard it worked fine :( |
| 16:00.53 | Chocks | I does; but that's not what I said. |
| 16:01.07 | Chocks | like so much else in OM, there's so many combinations of distros and stuff |
| 16:01.21 | Zorkman | "freedom" lol |
| 16:01.34 | Chocks | hopeless disorganization, not "lol" |
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| 16:09.08 | Zorkman | th0br0: you mean http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/freerunner-v14.6-cupcake.jffs2 ? |
| 16:09.26 | th0br0 | http://www.fragcom.de/android/freerunner-v14.6.jffs2.1 |
| 16:09.30 | th0br0 | http://www.fragcom.de/android/uImage-v15-ex1.bin |
| 16:09.32 | th0br0 | those two |
| 16:09.35 | th0br0 | (it's a mirror page) |
| 16:09.41 | Chocks | wifi is still messed up, as it is in pretty much every distro |
| 16:09.50 | Chocks | the mirror has some truncated files. be careful. |
| 16:10.15 | th0br0 | well |
| 16:10.24 | th0br0 | wifi is working wiht the v15-ex3 image |
| 16:10.31 | Chocks | for values of "working" |
| 16:10.36 | th0br0 | but that one doesn't support suspend |
| 16:10.53 | th0br0 | Chocks: scanning works, haven't tried connecting as i can't enter my wpa2 key |
| 16:11.02 | Chocks | exactly. |
| 16:11.13 | Chocks | you can in cupcake, but it won't save. |
| 16:11.22 | th0br0 | ah ok |
| 16:11.24 | th0br0 | :) |
| 16:11.43 | Chocks | WiFi is something that should be easy to get right after a year, but it's still messed up everywhere. |
| 16:11.53 | Zorkman | th0br0: what does that .1 extension mean? |
| 16:12.01 | th0br0 | don't know :) |
| 16:12.06 | th0br0 | i just know that the file is newer and bigger |
| 16:12.15 | Weiss | why should wifi be easy? |
| 16:12.17 | Zorkman | but you can flash it like anormal jjffs2 |
| 16:12.38 | Chocks | Weiss: "after a year" |
| 16:13.04 | Chocks | Yes, WiFi is tricky, but it is not a year's worth of tricky. |
| 16:13.27 | Weiss | assuming someone is working on it full time, sure |
| 16:13.35 | Chocks | I'm not assuming that |
| 16:14.10 | Chocks | But the main problem again, it's the massive balkinization of effort. |
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| 16:18.32 | Chocks | where's Dave? I need abuse. |
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| 16:19.20 | Zorkman | he's working on his top secret lab project |
| 16:19.54 | Zorkman | the word in the rat's labyrinth is he's inventing the bee's knees |
| 16:20.11 | th0br0 | actually... i had wifi working in shr-unstable some time ago |
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| 16:20.14 | th0br0 | w/o any changes. |
| 16:20.35 | th0br0 | but yeah, it's really taking long |
| 16:21.04 | Chocks | I tried the SHR wifi wossname yesterday. It's really really bad. |
| 16:21.17 | Chocks | I'm sure it works sometimes, for some. But not for me. |
| 16:21.25 | Zorkman | Chocks: you mean mofi? |
| 16:21.29 | th0br0 | it was one month ago I guess :) |
| 16:21.29 | Chocks | aye |
| 16:22.02 | Zorkman | i never use it anymore.... just an icon on the desktop to power wifi on and connect to a preconfigured network |
| 16:22.14 | Chocks | hacktastic |
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| 16:42.38 | Blu3 | mofi never worked for me and i finally removed it last night. every network was WPA and WPA only according to mofi. :/ |
| 16:43.14 | Chocks | mofomofi |
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| 16:54.15 | emsyr | Last night I was working on wifi too. |
| 16:54.35 | Dave | mofomoko |
| 16:54.47 | emsyr | I tried manually working the wifi. |
| 16:54.52 | Blu3 | i just start it manually |
| 16:54.57 | Chocks | DaveBitch |
| 16:55.32 | emsyr | I follow wiki instructions and it was the first time wifi working perfectly. |
| 16:55.50 | emsyr | !!!!!!!! |
| 16:55.54 | Blu3 | it works perfectly for me - manually :) |
| 16:56.03 | Chocks | You ! key is stuck. |
| 16:56.06 | emsyr | I also like wlan. |
| 16:56.19 | emsyr | It usually works fine |
| 16:57.16 | Chocks | ususually. but not always |
| 16:57.29 | Chocks | often you have to have booted with it connected for it to work. |
| 16:57.33 | Chocks | And ther |
| 16:57.39 | Chocks | And there's nowhere to plug it in on the train. |
| 16:58.50 | emsyr | What do you mean plug it? |
| 16:59.07 | emsyr | Plug what? |
| 16:59.14 | Chocks | never mind. |
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| 17:23.43 | rooly | ...so parolli crashed |
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| 17:31.41 | Chocks | aw |
| 17:31.46 | Chocks | rooly rooly crashed? |
| 17:33.21 | rooly | no |
| 17:33.29 | rooly | frooly crashed |
| 17:34.59 | Chocks | parooly? |
| 17:35.26 | Chocks | is pun master. |
| 17:36.54 | rooly | PaFRooly |
| 17:38.52 | Chocks | unrooly |
| 17:40.33 | rooly | that one is old... |
| 17:40.41 | Chocks | ...but still good. |
| 17:40.45 | rooly | 's been around since i dubbed myself |
| 17:41.26 | Chocks | are you saying it's been rooled out? |
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| 17:46.16 | rooly | oh jeeze |
| 17:46.35 | Chocks | now he's aroolused |
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| 17:47.43 | rooly | dot dot dot |
| 17:50.08 | Chocks | don't be crool, I'm just making jokes. |
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| 17:51.50 | Chocks | anyway, you'd have to be off your trooly to find them funny. |
| 17:52.06 | rooly | omg |
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| 17:53.29 | saracen_ | That conversation was trooly amazing. |
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| 17:54.28 | rooly | lol |
| 17:54.39 | Chocks | stabs rooly for that. |
| 17:54.46 | rooly | dodges like neo |
| 17:54.49 | Chocks | no rlolys |
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| 18:10.40 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 18:11.35 | toggles_w | polo! |
| 18:12.21 | Chocks | el pollo? |
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| 18:14.56 | Blu3 | fooey, i updated and all my icons disappeared |
| 18:15.28 | Chocks | me too. and then, my desktop wouldn't start at all |
| 18:15.41 | Chocks | opkg testing -> unstable = bad news. |
| 18:15.46 | Chocks | ^shr |
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| 18:17.11 | Blu3 | i got my desktop to restart |
| 18:17.26 | Blu3 | i am current with unstable atm. i just need to fix my desktop a bit |
| 18:17.45 | Chocks | I need to reinstall from unstable snapshot |
| 18:18.01 | Blu3 | if you upgrade w/ unstable, you need to upgrade all the unstable libs along with e-* |
| 18:18.07 | Chocks | cos my system is hosed. probably there's an easy fix, but who knows what. |
| 18:18.17 | Chocks | no doubt. |
| 18:18.22 | Blu3 | log in via usb0 ethernet and launch things by hand |
| 18:18.28 | Chocks | did :p |
| 18:18.34 | Blu3 | you'll see what programs have a missing symbol |
| 18:18.34 | Chocks | do you want the error? :p |
| 18:18.39 | Blu3 | sure |
| 18:18.47 | Chocks | this is not a symbol problem |
| 18:19.19 | Chocks | hang on, gotta reboot outta Qtopia |
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| 18:25.59 | Chocks | http://pastebin.com/m1e4d386a |
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| 18:26.55 | Chocks | hm, maybe I'm missing some library plugin |
| 18:27.02 | Chocks | anyway. |
| 18:27.23 | Blu3 | gotta upgrade all the libs :) |
| 18:27.31 | Chocks | sure. how :p |
| 18:27.44 | Chocks | it wasn't obvious that I hadn't |
| 18:28.26 | Blu3 | opkg update; then opkg list_upgradable and make sure you opkg upgrade <all of the libs> |
| 18:28.37 | Chocks | man, opkg sucks |
| 18:28.48 | Blu3 | yup |
| 18:29.36 | Chocks | almost as bad as rpm |
| 18:29.45 | Blu3 | mhm |
| 18:29.55 | Chocks | hm |
| 18:30.01 | Chocks | it's giving me updates I didn't have this morning. |
| 18:30.10 | Chocks | but that could just be the build host |
| 18:30.14 | dagger | http://pastebin.com/m7a5118a3 |
| 18:30.20 | dagger | sorry wrong channel |
| 18:32.52 | Blu3 | i found new updates too |
| 18:34.51 | Chocks | hm, ok |
| 18:35.00 | Chocks | the navit upgrade broke, so I may not have updated everything |
| 18:35.19 | Chocks | removes navit. humph. |
| 18:36.21 | Blu3 | i haven't ever used navit |
| 18:36.27 | Chocks | it's confusing |
| 18:36.46 | Chocks | maybe that's just me |
| 18:36.56 | Blu3 | i'll have to try it one day |
| 18:37.04 | Chocks | just not today's version ;-) |
| 18:37.34 | Blu3 | heheheh |
| 18:37.41 | Blu3 | i just want to get my icons back |
| 18:37.56 | Chocks | did you try the fix on SHR trac? |
| 18:38.54 | Blu3 | hmm, no. i'll go find it and try it |
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| 18:41.08 | Blu3 | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2443129 |
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| 18:43.12 | Chocks | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Nolaunchericons |
| 18:43.14 | SeligArkin | wtf... |
| 18:43.22 | SeligArkin | gcc-cross if failing to build. |
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| 18:43.34 | Chocks | I'd be cross too |
| 18:45.19 | Chocks | runs opkg upgrade for 5th time |
| 18:47.15 | Blu3 | ;] |
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| 18:52.44 | MadZone | Hey Everyone. Why not come check out a brand new Chat Network called UKMadZone.co.uk. Its free fun and friendly im sure yous will all enjoy it. You can connect via the web site at www.ukmadzone.co.uk or via irc at irc.ukmadzone.co.uk I look forward to seeing yous all there, Thanks |
| 18:55.07 | Blu3 | ugg, spammers suck |
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| 18:56.37 | Chocks | how about, no. |
| 18:57.05 | Chocks | MadZone: learn some grammar. |
| 18:58.00 | Chocks | hm, file conflicts with bluez* packages |
| 19:01.21 | Chocks | ok, have my system back |
| 19:01.24 | Chocks | pats Blu3 |
| 19:01.34 | Blu3 | :) |
| 19:02.02 | Blu3 | it is good to have a working system =] |
| 19:02.11 | Chocks | well, dunno about "working" |
| 19:02.19 | Chocks | and some of my icons are gone. |
| 19:02.43 | slaxxin | shr? |
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| 19:02.55 | slaxxin | use the shr-illume |
| 19:03.00 | Chocks | hm, right |
| 19:03.01 | slaxxin | profile |
| 19:03.12 | Chocks | how do I change once I've chosen the other one? |
| 19:03.18 | Blu3 | some of your icons might be gone for a couple or reasons |
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| 19:03.33 | slaxxin | wrench/look |
| 19:03.42 | Chocks | I like the toolbars in normal illume |
| 19:03.45 | slaxxin | profiles |
| 19:04.12 | Blu3 | edit the .desktop entry and a) fix the categories - i found i must end the .desktop file with a Categories=Office; and b) you may need to fix the icon entry |
| 19:04.18 | Chocks | dialer looks crap in landscrape mode ;-) |
| 19:04.20 | Blu3 | it's not a wrench now, it's heart |
| 19:04.55 | slaxxin | which u guys testing is it unstable? |
| 19:05.01 | Chocks | aye |
| 19:05.06 | Blu3 | i'm using unstable right now |
| 19:05.19 | Blu3 | my installation is mostly stable |
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| 19:14.53 | Chocks | e.g, my pythm icon is not there |
| 19:15.02 | Blu3 | hmm, enlightenment is taking 30% cpu |
| 19:15.15 | Blu3 | neither is mine, nor the contacts icon |
| 19:15.19 | Blu3 | i need to fix them |
| 19:15.27 | Chocks | aye |
| 19:15.34 | Chocks | nor mofi, but I installed that :p |
| 19:15.40 | Chocks | +un |
| 19:15.42 | Blu3 | i removed mofi |
| 19:15.44 | Blu3 | aye |
| 19:15.59 | Chocks | and that stupid example app, I removed the file for |
| 19:16.05 | Blu3 | heheh |
| 19:16.17 | Chocks | icon entry looks ok for pythm |
| 19:18.47 | Chocks | heh, numphyphysics much speedier (and therefore playable) on unstable |
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| 19:31.40 | Chocks | gets tangogps icon back |
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| 19:54.56 | Chocks | mirko-parooly |
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| 20:16.36 | usr | how do i use swt-3.4-gtk to create gui-apps? |
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| 20:20.13 | Chocks | finally got GPS fix. |
| 20:20.18 | Chocks | took foooooorever. |
| 20:20.41 | usr | ^^ |
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| 20:34.57 | usr | anybody tried the howto on jalimo cacao? |
| 20:37.04 | usr | how is the password for openmoko-devel? |
| 20:37.08 | slaxxin | running kustomizer on bytestores 2008.12 image |
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| 20:41.43 | slaxxin | Y A Y |
| 20:42.24 | slaxxin | running smoothly |
| 20:42.25 | tomboy64 | usr: what you want is #openmoko-cdevel |
| 20:43.31 | usr | why cdevel? i want to devel in java |
| 20:43.38 | Chocks | heh |
| 20:43.42 | tomboy64 | -.- |
| 20:43.52 | Chocks | suggests #android :p |
| 20:44.03 | tomboy64 | or #freerunner-android |
| 20:44.14 | Chocks | even betterer |
| 20:44.26 | tomboy64 | cdevel is not developing in c but the developing channel for the community |
| 20:44.29 | usr | we need jvm for web... |
| 20:44.33 | tomboy64 | devel is om-staff only |
| 20:44.36 | Chocks | ... |
| 20:44.54 | usr | so where do i find openmoko-cdevel |
| 20:45.30 | tomboy64 | head -> keyboard |
| 20:45.33 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 20:45.49 | Defiant-_ | tomboy64: patience. he is a java programmer :P |
| 20:45.54 | bumbl | hahahahaha |
| 20:46.02 | bumbl | rofl |
| 20:46.07 | tomboy64 | i've shown enough patience |
| 20:46.18 | tomboy64 | can't get my usb-networking a-runnin |
| 20:46.40 | Chocks | tomboy64: on which side? |
| 20:46.49 | usr | xD |
| 20:46.52 | tomboy64 | moko-side |
| 20:47.06 | Chocks | either a kernel/module mismatch, or you didn't plug in cable from power on. |
| 20:47.10 | Defiant-_ | usr: you will find #openmoko-cdevel the same way you found #openmoko (this channel) |
| 20:47.10 | Chocks | or something else. |
| 20:47.37 | slaxxin | why from power on? |
| 20:47.41 | tomboy64 | Chocks: module loads fine. it doesn't take an ip-address though |
| 20:48.12 | Chocks | slaxxin: beats me. I found however, that often the network doesn't come up unless it was connected at power on. Not always, mind |
| 20:48.29 | Chocks | that was true with both Qi and u-boot and several kernels. |
| 20:48.37 | slaxxin | oo |
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| 20:49.22 | tomboy64 | Chocks: strange |
| 20:49.26 | Chocks | aye |
| 20:49.28 | Chocks | PITA too |
| 20:49.29 | tomboy64 | i found it usually the other way round |
| 20:49.36 | Chocks | shame I don't have more exact details on it |
| 20:49.57 | Chocks | doesn't help that my USB hub at home is crappy, and likes to reset when I plug FR in |
| 20:49.59 | tomboy64 | e.g. the cable *was* plugged in from startup on, i could not get a conn with another distro (shr in that case) |
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| 20:56.16 | freerunnerlive | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT5zuP6lXJc |
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| 21:00.10 | SomeT | hello |
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| 21:03.37 | SomeT | i need some advice |
| 21:03.50 | SomeT | i am very interested in obtaining neopwn for my openmoko |
| 21:03.54 | SomeT | which i do not have as of yet |
| 21:04.01 | SomeT | i cant seem to find it anywhere?! |
| 21:04.16 | SomeT | so my alternative solution is to just run all the programs on the normal open moko os |
| 21:04.27 | SomeT | hopefully this would work with not many problems??? |
| 21:04.38 | SomeT | also I am trying to find a long range usb wireless network card |
| 21:04.50 | SomeT | but can not seem to find one which would definitly work with the openmoko? |
| 21:05.01 | SomeT | can anyone help me please? |
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| 21:09.09 | mwester | Ah, another one of the ever-vigilant Security Penetration Testers. Wow, we sure have had a lot of those folks about, it's amazing how many systems get hacked with all those concientious pen testers out there. </sarcasm> |
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| 21:11.06 | bumbl | mwester: but they do it for a greater good |
| 21:11.12 | bumbl | for a safe place |
| 21:12.15 | spaetz | is the FR fast enough to break any keys? For monitoring traffic yes, but actual cracking....? |
| 21:12.19 | mwester | Of course! :-D And I feel SOOOO much safer, knowing that they're all about, and constantly testing my network -- not to break in, of course, just to help me make sure that I've not overlooked something! |
| 21:12.32 | spaetz | not that I'd be interested... |
| 21:13.47 | tomboy64 | with ptw it should |
| 21:14.00 | bumbl | mwester: well more than wpa2, long key, mac filter (which is no real barrier) noone can do |
| 21:14.02 | freerunnerlive | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYpaZZJjslg&feature=channel_page |
| 21:14.35 | Chocks | moo |
| 21:14.36 | tomboy64 | anyways, whoever's using wep doesn't deserve it any better |
| 21:14.43 | bumbl | oh he does |
| 21:15.09 | Chocks | has wep at home. |
| 21:15.19 | Chocks | :p |
| 21:15.26 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 21:15.27 | bumbl | break in, and change the bssid to wep_wpa_is_unsafe_if_you_are_a_noob_get_over_it |
| 21:15.32 | Chocks | sweet |
| 21:15.33 | bumbl | log out |
| 21:15.34 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 21:15.35 | Chocks | dare you. |
| 21:15.42 | tomboy64 | nope |
| 21:15.46 | SomeT | haha |
| 21:16.01 | Chocks | The main reason is that when I set it up 3 years ago, WPA on Linux was really dodgy, so I left it. |
| 21:16.03 | SomeT | i am just interested in it for testing out friends and familys networks |
| 21:16.12 | SomeT | i am not interested in any serious aspect of it |
| 21:16.17 | SomeT | merely educational in a sense |
| 21:16.19 | bumbl | configured correctly wep can be save |
| 21:16.52 | Chocks | anyway, even if you got into my network, you'd still need passwords/keys to do anything. |
| 21:17.15 | mwester | Do you make a habit of breaking into your freinds and family's automobiles and houses too? How do they feel about that then? ;-) :D |
| 21:17.17 | bumbl | wep (key change every other day) + mac filter (not a real barrier i know) + vpn to get into the net; for everyone else: a plain html page with: "fuck off retard" |
| 21:17.22 | Chocks | use my bandwith. omfg! |
| 21:18.54 | mwester | has a WEP -- but it's on the other side of the main firewall. Don't care if someone uses the bandwidth, just don't want them nosing about my network. |
| 21:19.00 | Chocks | :p |
| 21:19.22 | Chocks | take, these broken wings. Oh wait, that's mr mister, not mwester |
| 21:19.49 | mwester | is going to annoy Chocks: |
| 21:19.51 | mwester | lol |
| 21:19.55 | Chocks | :o |
| 21:20.02 | Chocks | it doesn't work if it's done intentionally. |
| 21:20.15 | mwester | oh, darn. |
| 21:20.20 | Chocks | knit. |
| 21:20.22 | bumbl | SomeT: can't you do pen-testing with your laptop/desktop if it is your/your friends network |
| 21:20.50 | mwester | Yeah. If they're friends, they won't care if you sit in their front yard with a laptop. |
| 21:20.53 | bumbl | (btw. try it with debian and any usb wifi dongle which works well with linux) |
| 21:20.58 | bumbl | trial and error |
| 21:21.05 | mwester | And if they're family, you can do it at the dining room table. |
| 21:21.07 | Chocks | anyway, doesn't Fat 'n' dirty come with wireshark? |
| 21:21.24 | Chocks | or use hackable:1 and install Debian tools of your choice |
| 21:21.38 | bumbl | wireshark ... isn't that the security hole used for "security" testing |
| 21:21.51 | Chocks | just sayin' |
| 21:24.29 | SomeT | no |
| 21:24.43 | SomeT | because I am to lazy to carry a laptop around with me |
| 21:24.47 | SomeT | there to big and heavy |
| 21:24.56 | Chocks | there to here? |
| 21:25.17 | bumbl | then either buy neopwn |
| 21:25.21 | bumbl | or do it yourself |
| 21:25.28 | SomeT | you cant buy neopwn |
| 21:25.28 | Chocks | either way, stop crying ;-) |
| 21:25.31 | SomeT | thats my point, lol |
| 21:25.33 | bumbl | with debian + linux usb stick |
| 21:25.34 | SomeT | i am not crying |
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| 21:25.41 | SomeT | merely asking for a bit of advice |
| 21:26.47 | bumbl | ah ok they don't ship it anymore |
| 21:26.49 | bumbl | get debian |
| 21:26.54 | SomeT | exactly |
| 21:26.57 | bumbl | install the pen-testing |
| 21:27.00 | bumbl | apps |
| 21:27.00 | Chocks | sigh |
| 21:27.05 | SomeT | this is what i will need help with |
| 21:27.17 | SomeT | i am a bit of noob to linux |
| 21:27.21 | bumbl | and get an usb wifi stick as listet on the neopwn |
| 21:27.21 | SomeT | i know of the basics |
| 21:27.27 | SomeT | i know a bit of programming |
| 21:27.27 | bumbl | homepage |
| 21:27.40 | bumbl | i don't think you will find suport here though |
| 21:27.45 | Chocks | suggests that neopwn or equivalent is not for noobs |
| 21:27.45 | SomeT | ah cool |
| 21:27.49 | SomeT | thanks for trying anyway |
| 21:27.58 | SomeT | i am a fast learner |
| 21:28.29 | Chocks | well, we already gave lots of advice |
| 21:28.33 | Chocks | what is the problem? |
| 21:28.50 | SomeT | i do not have a problem |
| 21:28.58 | Chocks | pats. |
| 21:29.00 | mwester | Sooo... this is rather like someone who is new to door locks and deadbolts asking someone how to break-and-enter? |
| 21:29.42 | SomeT | ? |
| 21:30.34 | mwester | Personally, I find it funny that everyone always CLAIMS they are just "trying" or "learning", and I wish they would just be honest instead. But I draw the line at teaching or helping anyone do anything illegal. |
| 21:30.44 | Chocks | or homework. |
| 21:30.51 | bumbl | mwester: well i claimed that too some years ago |
| 21:31.01 | mwester | hehe! I've not heard "homework" before, that's new. |
| 21:31.02 | bumbl | and the only network i broke into was my own |
| 21:31.17 | Chocks | mwester: you can't have been on IRC long :p |
| 21:31.26 | mwester | only a few years. |
| 21:31.39 | Chocks | had a customer (we make network products) call up and ask for help on his paper. |
| 21:31.46 | SomeT | well i was honest |
| 21:31.51 | SomeT | i cant go beyond that |
| 21:31.52 | mwester | I've had lots of folks ask C and C++ questions, that were obviously right off their homework or even take-home exam... |
| 21:31.52 | bumbl | i got aircrack-ng to work on my ipw3945 back when it needed the ipraw driver in its early stages |
| 21:32.05 | Chocks | mwester: knew you were kidding. |
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| 21:33.41 | mwester | SomeT: if it's learning you are after, researching and figuring it out on your own will give you more valuable skills in computers and general admin experience than you'll ever get from breaking into a network. :) |
| 21:33.59 | Chocks | as we said, put Debian on your freerunner. start learning. |
| 21:34.03 | Chocks | plenty of wiki stuff about it |
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| 21:34.37 | bumbl | btw. at least here 99% of all networks are wpa2 |
| 21:35.02 | Chocks | not here :p |
| 21:36.23 | SomeT | i am going to |
| 21:36.30 | SomeT | just thought I would see if anyone else |
| 21:36.35 | SomeT | as tried anything similar |
| 21:36.54 | SomeT | obviously i have found what I was looking for |
| 21:36.55 | Chocks | what, hacking other people's networks? |
| 21:37.10 | SomeT | i never said at all in the slightest I was going to hack peoples networks |
| 21:37.17 | SomeT | merely test friends and familys |
| 21:37.21 | Chocks | nor I, but what is "anything similar" |
| 21:37.25 | SomeT | with them knowing in advance |
| 21:37.31 | Chocks | and there's no such word as "familys" |
| 21:37.33 | bumbl | debian + kismet + aircrack-ng + usb adapter |
| 21:37.39 | SomeT | there is in my country |
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| 21:37.54 | Chocks | Lesta-ville? |
| 21:38.00 | SomeT | ? |
| 21:38.03 | bumbl | Leicester |
| 21:38.09 | SomeT | thats a city, lol |
| 21:38.11 | Chocks | Didn't know that was a country ;-) |
| 21:38.30 | Chocks | Just because it has a sauce named after it, doesn't make it a country. |
| 21:38.31 | bumbl | ;) |
| 21:38.34 | bumbl | uk |
| 21:38.35 | SomeT | i didnt know i get told off in here for bad grammar anyway |
| 21:38.49 | SomeT | there is a sauce named after leicester? |
| 21:38.52 | SomeT | i know there is a cheese |
| 21:38.56 | SomeT | but not a sauce |
| 21:39.04 | SomeT | only sauce i know of is worcester sauce |
| 21:39.05 | Chocks | heh. |
| 21:39.19 | Chocks | And gullible is not in the dictionary. |
| 21:40.06 | SomeT | anyone else in here from england? |
| 21:40.44 | bumbl | i bet there are |
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| 21:41.40 | mwester | There are many Europeans here, and some of them drive on the wrong side of the road, yes. |
| 21:42.10 | mwester | (and confuse the rear compartment of an auto with footgear, etc.) |
| 21:42.12 | SomeT | which is the right side? |
| 21:42.26 | mwester | the left side, of course. |
| 21:42.26 | SomeT | what do you call a boot then? |
| 21:42.29 | bumbl | right is the right side of course |
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| 21:42.44 | SomeT | a luggage compartment area? |
| 21:42.59 | mwester | Well, yes the right is the right side, and the left is the left side, and the left is the correct side. :) |
| 21:43.20 | SomeT | if you dont like european way of life, dont come over here, lol |
| 21:43.49 | mwester | I love it. I also love the wonderful confusion that is language. |
| 21:44.03 | bumbl | gn8t |
| 21:44.07 | SomeT | dont get me started, haha |
| 21:44.16 | SomeT | i work for a company where I talk to europeans all day long |
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| 22:09.17 | Chocks | Well, I've even been to Leicester. It's the only nice part of Leicestershire |
| 22:09.31 | Chocks | worked for a bit in Ashby-de-la-Zouch |
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| 22:40.14 | usr | who likes to develop with pygtk? |
| 22:43.44 | CVirus | not me |
| 22:43.51 | CVirus | PyQt for the win |
| 22:44.15 | usr | how do u mean win? |
| 22:46.13 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 22:46.26 | Chocks | ftw! |
| 22:47.01 | usr | i would need some help to write an app |
| 22:47.04 | usr | ^^ |
| 22:49.11 | usr | who would like to help me write a torrent-application in pygtk based on ctorrent? |
| 22:49.32 | Chocks | you! |
| 22:50.02 | usr | yes, i would like to maintaine |
| 22:50.26 | Chocks | and wrote. |
| 22:50.28 | Chocks | and write. |
| 22:50.52 | usr | until now i got a lot of stuff done... but |
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| 22:51.40 | Chocks | moo |
| 22:52.01 | usr | i would like tom improofe the code and it's style, even not all of the functionality is written yet |
| 22:52.55 | Chocks | and your grammar. |
| 22:53.16 | usr | anyone is welcome |
| 22:53.50 | Chocks | improve, its. |
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| 22:56.57 | usr | u are writing a app right now Chocks? |
| 22:57.05 | Chocks | Nope. |
| 22:57.20 | usr | what else? |
| 22:57.36 | rooly | is doing things |
| 22:57.38 | Chocks | Hacking at various Freerunner stacks. |
| 22:57.44 | Chocks | seeing what breaks when I look at it. |
| 22:57.51 | usr | nice |
| 22:58.15 | usr | and that's it? |
| 22:58.44 | rooly | learned how to scroll in parolli |
| 23:00.04 | Chocks | scrooly |
| 23:00.15 | usr | i need just a few more things for my programm, than i would release it |
| 23:00.23 | Chocks | then |
| 23:00.48 | usr | first is to restore saved values at startup |
| 23:01.27 | usr | seccond implement the functionality of a watch-up-directory... |
| 23:02.28 | usr | and then i would be able to implement more stuff later on |
| 23:02.40 | rooly | mirko-paroli: yo yo |
| 23:02.41 | usr | ore do improvments over all |
| 23:03.01 | mirko-paroli | rooly: how to scroll ? |
| 23:03.37 | rooly | simple |
| 23:03.59 | rooly | move your finger up and down across the empty right side of the contacts |
| 23:04.07 | rooly | that operation doesn't work for messages yet tho |
| 23:09.56 | mirko-paroli | rooly: ah k |
| 23:09.56 | mirko-paroli | the embryo hack |
| 23:10.18 | rooly | the what? |
| 23:10.30 | mirko-paroli | in the newer images there is plus and minus above every list to at least make it possible |
| 23:10.34 | Dave | Hello! |
| 23:10.39 | Chocks | Davelo! |
| 23:10.43 | mirko-paroli | it was a handcrafted scrolling mechanism |
| 23:10.45 | mirko-paroli | not good |
| 23:11.03 | rooly | you mean the +/- buttons? |
| 23:11.09 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 23:11.21 | rooly | btw...selections and buttons SERIOUSLY need more clarification |
| 23:11.38 | rooly | because just touching near the white text on the black background doesn't always work |
| 23:11.45 | rooly | at least on touch, highlight the button |
| 23:13.37 | rooly | how and where are contacts stored, mirko-paroli |
| 23:14.04 | mirko-paroli | contacts are stored in a ... python pickle me thinks |
| 23:14.14 | mirko-paroli | it |
| 23:14.23 | mirko-paroli | is in the persistence.py |
| 23:14.41 | rooly | eww? |
| 23:16.26 | rooly | does phone.contact.ContactsService.copy_all() copy to the sim card or to some file on the phone |
| 23:16.59 | mirko-paroli | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.49 | mirko-paroli | rooly: there is currently no way in paroli to move stuff to the sim |
| 23:22.31 | rooly | that's been a lacking feature for a while now aint it |
| 23:23.37 | mirko-paroli | hmm ... i guess, but I think there are more fundamental things, so I focus on those first |
| 23:23.51 | rooly | sure sure |
| 23:23.56 | rooly | i'm gonna work on it some tonight |
| 23:24.09 | Dave | hot |
| 23:24.15 | mirko-paroli | yeah, sounds good ! |
| 23:27.09 | rooly | mirko-paroli: personal input here, another lacking feature that i think might be easy to achieve would be recognizing phone numbers without leading symbols like + or a country code |
| 23:27.28 | mirko-paroli | agreed |
| 23:28.35 | rooly | i think it could be done by adding a configuration-based function/usage phone.contacts.ContactsService.get_by_number_dirty() or something |
| 23:29.05 | rooly | and pick the first closest matching one from the last 10 digits |
| 23:29.44 | rooly | or whatever |
| 23:29.54 | mirko-paroli | is looking at the function |
| 23:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: a *really* cute number matching algorithm isn't such trivial |
| 23:31.15 | rooly | chip off leading data and compare against phone book |
| 23:31.24 | rooly | basically a recursive function, eh? |
| 23:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | probably best approach is a "best match maximum number of digits" one |
| 23:32.19 | mirko-paroli | cut off all zeros and plus signs? |
| 23:32.32 | rooly | mirko-paroli: not on first search |
| 23:32.41 | mirko-paroli | hmm the country code remains ... |
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| 23:32.55 | rooly | mirko-paroli: got a channel? |
| 23:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: consider things like extension numbers of companies where you only know the "base" number |
| 23:33.06 | mirko-paroli | channel? |
| 23:33.12 | rooly | #openmoko |
| 23:33.16 | rooly | got your own? |
| 23:33.19 | mirko-paroli | ah, no |
| 23:33.22 | rooly | make one |
| 23:33.30 | rooly | '/join #my_channel' |
| 23:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: zeroes aren't any internationally common "escape" |
| 23:33.56 | mirko-paroli | hui |
| 23:34.02 | mirko-paroli | #paroli |
| 23:34.28 | rooly | DocScrutinizer: in my experience, i've never seen a number with the extension included after the number itself |
| 23:34.41 | rooly | hop in! |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | i frequently have though |
| 23:35.59 | rooly | ic |
| 23:36.29 | rooly | so, IE, more than 10, 11, or 13 digits? |
| 23:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: my bank e.g. has sth like 09115544330 in my phonebook, and when they call me I get +49 911 554433 888 for the callers number |
| 23:38.33 | mirko-paroli | yeah for substring matching |
| 23:38.44 | mirko-paroli | s/yeah/yay |
| 23:39.13 | rooly | does every country have different phone numbering systems? |
| 23:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | best substring match, exactly what I meant to point at |
| 23:39.30 | SpeedEvil | rooly: pretty much |
| 23:39.35 | SpeedEvil | rooly: there are some 'standards' - but... |
| 23:40.15 | rooly | i suppose it could be configuration based... |
| 23:40.24 | SpeedEvil | rooly: and what's going to happen if your friend from country A, you're normally resident in country A, calls you when roaming in country B - what exact prefix will present |
| 23:41.18 | rooly | these are things i have considered, but i lack the information to provide an answer |
| 23:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | as I told ya, not that trivial |
| 23:41.30 | mirko-paroli | but we have 3 cases |
| 23:41.33 | mirko-paroli | a plus sign |
| 23:41.37 | mirko-paroli | one zero |
| 23:41.39 | mirko-paroli | and 2 zeros |
| 23:41.41 | mirko-paroli | right ? |
| 23:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:41.52 | mirko-paroli | i was afraid you'd say that ;) |
| 23:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | two zeroes is no standard |
| 23:41.59 | mirko-paroli | what am I missing? |
| 23:42.07 | mirko-paroli | 0049 ? |
| 23:42.18 | mirko-paroli | that's how I call home ... |
| 23:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | provider define |
| 23:42.33 | mirko-paroli | hm |
| 23:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | not in TPE e.g. |
| 23:42.48 | mirko-paroli | hm |
| 23:42.49 | mirko-paroli | tru |
| 23:42.51 | mirko-paroli | e |
| 23:42.57 | mirko-paroli | was this odd 002 49 |
| 23:43.02 | mirko-paroli | or sth |
| 23:43.38 | rooly | i suppose the only way to do it gracefully around the world would be localization |
| 23:43.55 | mirko-paroli | or match for the last 8 digits |
| 23:43.57 | rooly | i'd figure at least inside a single country phone numbers are common |
| 23:43.57 | mirko-paroli | :P |
| 23:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | you have a standard "+", a config for "international prefix" one for "country code" one for "area prefix" and one for "area code" |
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| 23:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | first expand all numbers to FQN (="+<int-prefix><countrycode><areacode>number) |
| 23:46.39 | rooly | thing is number changes size |
| 23:46.54 | rooly | 4,5,6,7, etc |
| 23:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 23:47.28 | rooly | and not all carriers forward + or internation prefix or country code |
| 23:47.41 | Chocks | moo |
| 23:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | ...then do a "best substring match" of substrings both the searchnumber and contact-numbers |
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| 23:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | (means cutting leating and trailing arbitrary amount of digits from both) |
| 23:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: that"s why you need to normalize (expand) first |
| 23:49.49 | Dave | damn |
| 23:49.55 | rooly | right |
| 23:50.03 | rooly | will work on something tonight |
| 23:50.04 | Dave | I'm tempted to join the rooly reich |
| 23:50.38 | Chocks | it's red. |
| 23:51.06 | Chocks | And rockin' |
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| 23:51.37 | rooly | sorta |
| 23:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | scrolling back history |
| 23:52.43 | Chocks | oh good, can't lock screen in SHR unstable |
| 23:52.57 | Chocks | I find with 3 mins before I put it in my pocket to leave |
| 23:53.30 | rooly | hahaha |
| 23:54.01 | rooly | gitting the source right now |
| 23:54.05 | Chocks | someone better know why when I get home :p |
| 23:54.21 | rooly | is absolutely love paroli so far |
| 23:54.32 | rooly | and the color scheme seems to increase battery life |
| 23:55.21 | SpeedEvil | Seems unlikely on GTA02 |
| 23:55.37 | SpeedEvil | you might get a few % on GTA01 by going to 8 bit colour though. |
| 23:55.48 | rooly | fso in general seems to have better battery life than any other distro |
| 23:55.59 | SpeedEvil | (color scheme) |