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| 00:57.17 | Fougner | good evening =) |
| 00:57.19 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 00:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | moo Fougner |
| 00:58.24 | Fougner | haha |
| 00:58.26 | Fougner | hey Doc |
| 00:58.30 | Fougner | what's up? |
| 00:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 00:58.54 | Fougner | hehe |
| 00:59.09 | Fougner | quite today, are we? :P |
| 00:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | momerial minutes probably |
| 01:05.44 | Dave | FOUGNER! |
| 01:06.00 | Fougner | DAVE :D |
| 01:06.11 | Dave | :) |
| 01:06.19 | Fougner | what up? |
| 01:09.05 | Dave | Not my freerunner :[ |
| 01:10.19 | Fougner | what? |
| 01:10.38 | Dave | Freerunner is down |
| 01:14.00 | KenYoung | I'm starting a new distro: QT Extended (Abandoned) Improved Turbo Platinum Edition |
| 01:15.34 | Fougner | wow, I'm looking forward to the first release :D |
| 01:15.57 | mwester | corrects the syntax so that it can be properly passed as a command-line option to grep: 'QT Extended \(Abandoned\) Improved Turbo Platinum Edition' |
| 01:16.43 | Fougner | Dave, why? :o |
| 01:17.00 | mwester | I presume the 'Ultra QT Extended (Abandoned) Improved Turbo Platinum Edtiion' will follow? |
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| 01:17.07 | Fougner | is he in the Freerunners heaven now? |
| 01:17.18 | KenYoung | mwester, Right after the next abandonment. |
| 01:17.23 | mwester | hehe! |
| 01:17.55 | Fougner | I'm looking forward for the first FSO5.5 + OM official release =) |
| 01:18.04 | Fougner | what distro that will be... |
| 01:22.56 | Dave | :D |
| 01:23.13 | Dave | Hey Ken, I liked the new release; the icon also looks spiffy, when did that change? ;) |
| 01:24.26 | KenYoung | Dave, A few versions ago. I was getting complainta about the old one, and rightfully so. |
| 01:25.15 | Fougner | Dave, that's a joke right? |
| 01:25.17 | Fougner | you |
| 01:25.28 | Fougner | your FR is dead, nothing fun about that joke ^^ |
| 01:25.31 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 01:25.32 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 01:25.37 | Fougner | hey apt ! |
| 01:25.49 | Fougner | apt, clock |
| 01:25.49 | apt | i guess clock is <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
| 01:25.54 | Fougner | apt, date |
| 01:25.55 | apt | It is now 2009.03.22 1:25:55 GMT |
| 01:26.08 | Fougner | apt, shoot Dave |
| 01:26.09 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 01:26.21 | Dave | x_x |
| 01:30.19 | mwester | apt: ignore Dave |
| 01:30.19 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Dave!" |
| 01:30.28 | mwester | not quite what I had in mind. |
| 01:33.53 | Fougner | apt, kick mwester |
| 01:33.54 | apt | ACTION kicks mwester |
| 01:35.12 | vininim | and freerunners keep flashing on... |
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| 01:35.35 | Chocky | bitches. |
| 01:35.39 | vininim | ah, aux led keeps flashing on too |
| 01:35.45 | Chocky | sighs at the mess that is still Freerunner one year on |
| 01:36.20 | Zorkman_ | wow, Chocky lives, been ages i pestered you with stupid questions :) |
| 01:36.26 | Chocky | :o |
| 01:36.29 | Chocky | remembered! |
| 01:36.41 | Chocky | Well, Android doesn't build on x86_64 natively. |
| 01:36.47 | Chocky | so I have to use a chroot. stoopit. |
| 01:36.54 | Chocky | and even then, it didn't run. |
| 01:37.19 | Zorkman_ | (love to talk but gf now here, see you around) |
| 01:37.53 | Chocky | Wiki is still hopelessly organised (but a tiny bit better). Still loads of shit that isn't explained, like what the hell the nightly variants are |
| 01:38.03 | Zorkman_ | (i'm getting sloppier with my grammar since you were gone ;-)) |
| 01:38.31 | vininim | Chocky: builds on multi-lib systems |
| 01:38.51 | vininim | builds it on Fedora 10 x86_64 |
| 01:39.00 | Chocky | Qtopia is almost, just about usable. Exceptt for screwing up incoming calls, and not being much use for anything but as a phone |
| 01:39.15 | Chocky | not on Debian |
| 01:39.26 | vininim | Debian is multi-lib too, iirc |
| 01:39.46 | Chocky | yes, but it's still clearly broken |
| 01:40.11 | vininim | fedora <3 |
| 01:40.31 | Chocky | Fedora is almost as much of a mess as Openmoko, IMO |
| 01:40.48 | Chocky | host Executable: acp (out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/acp_intermediates/acp) |
| 01:41.02 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.05 | Chocky | etc. |
| 01:51.18 | vininim | About four RED shines per second: kernel panic. |
| 01:51.20 | Chocky | moo |
| 01:51.23 | vininim | awesome |
| 01:51.33 | Chocky | well, at least you know :p |
| 01:51.38 | Fougner | apt, shoot vininim and Chocky |
| 01:51.39 | apt | ACTION shoots vininim and Chocky in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 01:51.52 | vininim | ouch |
| 01:52.01 | Chocky | apt, fetch |
| 01:52.01 | apt | from memory, fetch is Hey, just say what you really mean! |
| 01:52.22 | Fougner | apt fetch Chocky coffee |
| 01:52.33 | Fougner | apt, get Chocky coffee |
| 01:52.34 | apt | ACTION fetches Chocky coffee |
| 01:52.54 | Chocky | anyway, rant continues. |
| 01:53.09 | vininim | let's rant about enabling Qi output |
| 01:53.24 | Chocky | hackable:1 is looking good, certainly that it's a full Debian is a bonus. Still has some oddities with window handling, etc. |
| 01:53.44 | Chocky | and WiFi remains a clusterfuck, no matter which distro |
| 01:54.59 | Chocky | I found some patch to make MP3 work in Qtopia, and apart from the general audio issues on FR, they sound horrific, with pauses and bonus crackling |
| 01:56.04 | Chocky | I see these dudes with their Iphones and G1s and whatnot watching movies on their phones. I should be able to do that, but it's not even obvious that any of the distros have sensible setup for that. |
| 01:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | hummm |
| 01:56.43 | Chocky | assuming the performance issue with Glamo are ok, which a year ago looked okish, cf mplayer improvements. |
| 01:56.58 | vininim | from what I recall they were not |
| 01:57.04 | Chocky | burps. |
| 01:57.14 | Dave | omfg |
| 01:57.16 | Dave | CHOX |
| 01:57.18 | Chocky | Dave! |
| 01:57.21 | Chocky | there he is. |
| 01:57.42 | Dave | YES |
| 01:57.45 | Dave | WE HEAR YOU |
| 01:58.08 | Chocky | I'd settle for playing the 480x234 movies I downscale for my (WinCE, hacked up) GPS device. |
| 01:58.35 | mwester | Hey - haven't seen Chocky about for a while. What do you think about the fine progress on the Openmoko devices? Don't you love the work done on the kernel -- to support the upcoming GTA03. (just ignore that the gta02 isn't really finished). |
| 01:58.36 | Dave | hah |
| 01:58.45 | Chocky | although those movies are ridicously low quality, cos I have to fit many of them onto a 2GB USB drive |
| 01:58.52 | mwester | Movies????! |
| 01:58.55 | Dave | weak sauce |
| 01:58.56 | mwester | what are you on about. |
| 01:59.00 | vininim | heh |
| 01:59.02 | mwester | We almost have phone calls working! |
| 01:59.10 | mwester | Pretty impressive, huh? |
| 01:59.10 | Fougner | haha |
| 01:59.12 | Fougner | sarcasm |
| 01:59.22 | Chocky | Ah yes, and I see mention of GAT02v7, but no details at all what that's about. Again, wiki fails me. |
| 01:59.28 | Dave | two years, too late. |
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| 01:59.37 | mwester | If you don't laugh about it, you'd cry. It's pretty pathetic. |
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| 02:00.01 | Chocky | FWIW, outgoing calls on Qtopia do work pretty well :p |
| 02:00.12 | Fougner | dudes, don't be rude to openmoko, they're a very small company compared to the average phone manufacturer ;D |
| 02:00.15 | Dave | Qtopia.... what's that? :D |
| 02:00.18 | Chocky | oh, and opkg still makes me cry :-( |
| 02:00.19 | vininim | mmm.. anyway to debug a kernel panick without a debug board? =P |
| 02:00.31 | Dave | As always ;) |
| 02:00.47 | mwester | Chocky: did anyone tell you that Nokia killed the Qtopia/QT Extended stuff? |
| 02:00.50 | Chocky | Ah yes, nice flamewar recently on the list. |
| 02:00.58 | Chocky | mwester: nope. |
| 02:00.59 | mwester | Now that it almost works, of course. |
| 02:01.18 | Chocky | but someone else picked it up, and is doing some good work on it. |
| 02:01.28 | Chocky | I've had a recent poke at the sources |
| 02:01.31 | Dave | Hey Chox, are you still in the area? |
| 02:01.39 | Chocky | yessir. |
| 02:01.42 | Dave | Cool |
| 02:01.58 | Dave | Want to attend our FSOSHRUDCON:US ? :P |
| 02:02.11 | Dave | (if we do it) hahaha |
| 02:02.14 | Chocky | hm, maybe. |
| 02:02.17 | Dave | heh |
| 02:02.23 | Chocky | will there be beer? |
| 02:02.33 | Dave | Maybe it would be far more attractive if I marketed it as the Freerunner Roast ~NYC~ |
| 02:02.57 | Dave | put that shit on youtube, and get a million hits. |
| 02:03.01 | Dave | laughs |
| 02:03.24 | Chocky | is not travelling to NYC for beer. What area did you tthink I was in?/ |
| 02:03.47 | Fougner | Dave, what the hell are you doing in NYC? |
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| 02:04.43 | Dave | Partying? |
| 02:04.52 | Dave | Chocky, North America ;) |
| 02:06.11 | Fougner | haha, Dave serious? |
| 02:06.11 | Chocky | will travel to LA, and no further. Ideally, a lot less than that. |
| 02:06.30 | Fougner | apt teleport Chocky to NYC |
| 02:06.37 | Fougner | =( |
| 02:06.42 | Dave | aw |
| 02:06.43 | Fougner | did it work? |
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| 02:06.52 | Fougner | I'm just trying to help =( |
| 02:07.21 | Dave | hvor kommer du fra? |
| 02:07.31 | Chocky | ok, so what the hell distro should I be using? What is getting the most serious development, and is most useful for both a phone and other stuff. |
| 02:07.33 | Fougner | sverige =) |
| 02:07.38 | Fougner | Dave, ^ |
| 02:07.47 | Fougner | Chocky, SHR? |
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| 02:08.09 | Dave | ah :] |
| 02:08.12 | Fougner | hehe |
| 02:08.17 | Fougner | å du kommer från Norge? |
| 02:08.27 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 02:08.36 | Fougner | eller? |
| 02:08.37 | Dave | no, I defected! |
| 02:08.43 | Fougner | uhm |
| 02:08.57 | Fougner | så du kommer från USA nu? :P |
| 02:09.08 | Dave | ja, nu ~_~ |
| 02:09.11 | Fougner | haha |
| 02:09.13 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 02:09.14 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 02:09.14 | Chocky | 2.624, 2.6.28 or 2.6.29? |
| 02:09.31 | Fougner | Chocky, 3.1.12 |
| 02:09.36 | Fougner | :D |
| 02:09.38 | Dave | 3.11? |
| 02:09.46 | Fougner | 9.11 ^^ |
| 02:09.46 | Chocky | is talking kernel verisons, clown boy. |
| 02:09.52 | Dave | duh |
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| 02:10.09 | Chocky | And which SHR variant? |
| 02:10.13 | Fougner | is telling jokes |
| 02:10.30 | Fougner | Chocky, check "testing" |
| 02:10.34 | vininim | testing |
| 02:10.53 | Chocky | No, I want to use unstable, trust me on this ;-) |
| 02:10.58 | Fougner | haha okay |
| 02:11.02 | Chocky | so, which one: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 02:11.04 | Fougner | some things might be broken=) |
| 02:11.08 | Chocky | that's ok |
| 02:11.15 | vininim | well testing build is fresher than unstable |
| 02:11.31 | Fougner | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 02:11.32 | Chocky | I'm more interested in active development, than some half-arsed "stable" version |
| 02:11.35 | vininim | lastest unstable is only minimal |
| 02:11.46 | Dave | Chocky, then what are you doing here? :D |
| 02:12.02 | Chocky | Dave: asking if there's active development. |
| 02:12.12 | Fougner | vininim, isn't unstable the latest updated stuff? |
| 02:12.32 | vininim | Fougner: source wise yes, images on buildhost doesn't seem so |
| 02:13.16 | Chocky | what is 'lite' about the lite version? |
| 02:13.51 | Fougner | Chocky, maybe some default apps isn't installed? =9 |
| 02:14.05 | Fougner | vininim, you're right, that's weird |
| 02:14.18 | vininim | some e17 stuff doesn't build |
| 02:14.26 | vininim | on unstable |
| 02:14.30 | Fougner | ah |
| 02:14.45 | Fougner | Dave, vad gör du i Amerika? |
| 02:15.01 | vininim | but last time I checked was one week ago |
| 02:15.11 | Dave | secretz! |
| 02:15.15 | vininim | I'm now a traitor, android represent! \o |
| 02:15.21 | Dave | hahaha |
| 02:15.22 | Fougner | hahaha |
| 02:15.29 | Fougner | yay, android is good |
| 02:15.36 | Fougner | Dave, no serious, tell me :D |
| 02:15.57 | Fougner | where can I find the latest Android iamge? |
| 02:15.58 | Fougner | image* |
| 02:16.24 | vininim | there are 3 ``latest'' x_x |
| 02:16.32 | Fougner | which? |
| 02:17.12 | vininim | the one that I managed to boot was beta4, throught a convoluted auto installer |
| 02:17.40 | vininim | http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-March/000610.html |
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| 02:18.44 | vininim | but michael's images are reported to work better: http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ |
| 02:19.18 | vininim | but the only feature I could notice is the aux red flashing =P |
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| 02:20.08 | Fougner | haha |
| 02:20.09 | Fougner | okay |
| 02:20.16 | Fougner | vininim, did you prepare a mmc? |
| 02:20.32 | vininim | beta4 doesn't need one, i wonder if michael's do |
| 02:20.42 | Fougner | oh, well, could be.. |
| 02:20.49 | vininim | but it should hang after bootsplash, not before |
| 02:20.50 | Fougner | check it out? =) |
| 02:20.52 | Fougner | ah |
| 02:20.53 | Fougner | hehe |
| 02:21.01 | Fougner | just trying to help =/ |
| 02:21.21 | vininim | thanks =) |
| 02:22.06 | Fougner | "* Getting Android to run completely off NAND" |
| 02:22.09 | Fougner | here we go |
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| 02:25.06 | Fougner | ouch |
| 02:25.10 | Fougner | 03.30 AM |
| 02:25.13 | Fougner | better go to sleep :P |
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| 02:57.58 | Dave | Come back for another snack, Jon? |
| 03:10.25 | KenYoung | Is there any interest in an East Coast USA Buzz Fix Party? |
| 03:15.19 | Dave | Yes :) |
| 03:15.25 | Dave | I have already epressed some interest :) |
| 03:15.52 | Dave | Do I have to come up to Boston, Ken? or would you like to come down to NYC? |
| 03:16.05 | Dave | I might be able to wrangle up a couple users from Philly |
| 03:19.21 | KenYoung | Dave, New York is probably more centrally located for the East Coast COmmunity, and I'm always looking for an excuse to drive down there anyway." |
| 03:20.27 | Dave | That's what I figured anyway :) |
| 03:21.05 | KenYoung | Should we start a Wiki page for signups, and post a message to the community list? |
| 03:21.12 | Dave | I'm thinking about it |
| 03:21.19 | Dave | Though we'd first need to locate a place to hold it. |
| 03:21.22 | Dave | ;) |
| 03:21.30 | KenYoung | And a person who |
| 03:21.52 | KenYoung | ANd a person whi is good at soldering. I'm pretty sloppy at it. |
| 03:22.00 | Dave | I can do it. |
| 03:22.05 | KenYoung | Cooool |
| 03:22.11 | Dave | Depends what kind of solder and with what implement. |
| 03:22.16 | Dave | Though I am proficient with a few different kinds. |
| 03:22.20 | Dave | ;) |
| 03:22.38 | Dave | Let's contact a few different people... reach out |
| 03:22.42 | Dave | see what we can get :) |
| 03:23.00 | KenYoung | Goodie. I'll contribute some funding, if needed. |
| 03:23.02 | Dave | there was even one person I believe who was willing to fly over here, if we were having a gathering/con here :P |
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| 03:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 03:27.17 | KenYoung | I've got a list of the Boston area Freerunner group purchase people. I can inquire if any of them want to do a road trip, or if they just want to send some with me to get fixed at the party. |
| 03:52.23 | Chocky | wonders where Dave is located |
| 03:53.08 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 03:53.15 | Dave | Ken, really? :D |
| 03:55.21 | KenYoung | Dave, I don;t understand what you;re asking. Really *what*? |
| 03:58.10 | Dave | You have a list of the purchaers |
| 03:58.24 | Dave | Was this from the original group buy thing? |
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| 04:00.35 | Chocky | tries out his SHR silliness |
| 04:00.38 | Chocky | this |
| 04:01.17 | Chocky | oh, yeah, I had to recover my FR last month by using cellotape, wires and a razr battery. |
| 04:05.46 | KenYoung | Dave - Yes, I have the list of our Boston 10-pack buyers. |
| 04:06.58 | Dave | are they still alive? |
| 04:07.05 | Dave | do any of them still have their freerunners? :P |
| 04:07.19 | KenYoung | Yes, to both questions. |
| 04:07.36 | Dave | :] |
| 04:08.04 | KenYoung | It was really quite fun to see how excited the local buyers were to get their units. |
| 04:08.10 | Chocky | blah, no networking with SHR |
| 04:08.22 | Chocky | KenYoung: it was rather sad, IMO :o |
| 04:08.27 | Chocky | I organised the San Diego group |
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| 04:08.58 | Chocky | one guy emailed me about 5 times asking if it was there yet. He was so over ethusiastic, and disorganised, he ended up being last |
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| 04:10.01 | Chocky | hums at illume. kinda odd. |
| 04:13.37 | Chocky | ew! |
| 04:14.00 | Chocky | which idiot chose green/blue as the colors for the shell? |
| 04:15.39 | Dave | : |
| 04:15.40 | Dave | :p |
| 04:16.14 | Chocky | why is it that there's always one broken opkg URL, no matter what the distro? |
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| 04:20.12 | daMaestro | it's more fun that way? |
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| 04:24.42 | Chocky | I mean, it must be some effort to consistently get it that way. |
| 04:26.23 | Chocky | having said that, SHR does seem to be in reasonably shape. |
| 04:26.38 | Chocky | +good |
| 04:27.08 | Dave | :| |
| 04:27.11 | Dave | yeah |
| 04:27.17 | Dave | and it's work is very active |
| 04:27.28 | Chocky | its too, I hope |
| 04:27.53 | Chocky | Shame it's taken so freakin' long. |
| 04:29.46 | Dave | Yeah :( |
| 04:31.46 | Chocky | oh, and the time keeping is hopeless |
| 04:33.11 | Chocky | "Current: -216 mA". nice. |
| 04:33.34 | Chocky | Negative voltage, maybe. Negative current, I don't think so. |
| 04:34.30 | Chocky | dammit. who put "lol" in the config. |
| 04:34.35 | Dave | hahaha |
| 04:34.38 | Chocky | stabs them, repeatedly. |
| 04:34.43 | Dave | YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY! |
| 04:36.04 | Chocky | hell, that keyboard might actually be usable. |
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| 04:38.10 | Dave | hot damn! |
| 04:38.14 | Dave | Welcome back, Ken :) |
| 04:39.26 | KenYoung | Thanks, Dave. I'm stuck in my office, with flakey work WiFi." |
| 04:41.15 | Dave | Ah |
| 04:41.21 | Dave | Workin' late? :| |
| 04:41.43 | KenYoung | Yup. All night. |
| 04:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | negative current: correct. Negative voltage: device dead |
| 04:44.07 | Dave | :\ |
| 04:44.14 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 04:44.23 | Chocky | sounds like Dave's Freerunner dealings. |
| 04:44.30 | Chocky | how many has he killed so far? |
| 04:44.33 | Dave | hahahahaha, sadly I was just thinking of that :( |
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| 04:45.19 | Chocky | oh yeah. got one those screen protectors from ebay. "We have your device's specs". |
| 04:45.36 | Chocky | Well, that wasn't true. They were out by 1mm in each direction. |
| 04:45.38 | Chocky | idiots. |
| 04:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | supposed to be applied the professional way: removing front cover |
| 04:46.45 | Chocky | pythm is messed up |
| 04:47.01 | Chocky | the play button is the *wrong way around* |
| 04:47.25 | Chocky | And if my filename is too long, the window is off the screen, and it takes the end of the volume slider with it |
| 04:47.26 | Dave | :) |
| 04:47.26 | Chocky | gah! |
| 04:47.29 | Dave | noticed that did you? ;) |
| 04:47.43 | Chocky | notices, and suffers with this sort of crap |
| 04:48.12 | Chocky | hm, nice delay when I plug headphones in. |
| 04:48.16 | Chocky | stupid python. |
| 04:48.34 | Chocky | At least the MP3 sounds okish. |
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| 04:48.58 | Chocky | Is there a less stupid media player? And don't say madplay. |
| 04:49.00 | Dave | :) |
| 04:49.08 | Dave | I think there's a few now |
| 04:49.11 | Dave | Did you check opkg.org? |
| 04:49.27 | Chocky | yes, but not recently |
| 04:49.35 | Dave | gogogo |
| 04:51.00 | Chocky | I'm not sure that either of GPS or GSM are working. sigh. |
| 04:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | trying might help |
| 04:53.13 | mwester | Chocky: Your critique of the current state is correct -- but you're depressing me more than I already am just by reminding us all how bad it really is. ;-) |
| 04:54.58 | mwester | See folks? you all consider me to be pessimistic, but once someone comes back with a fresh and clear mind and looks, it turns out that even I am a complete optimist when it comes to the sorry state of this project! |
| 04:55.11 | Dave | :) |
| 04:55.26 | Dave | \o/ |
| 04:56.13 | mwester | thinks one of his gta01's will make a dandy little swimming pool pump/heater monitor; the other will the recieving unit in the house (using bluetooth). That'll be a useful thing for them. |
| 04:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | looking for another better project then |
| 04:56.43 | mwester | mickey|zzZZzz is pretty postiive on the EZX devices. |
| 04:57.09 | mwester | I'll be starting work on the SheevaPlug, which looks like a REALLY neat home device. |
| 04:57.17 | mwester | There's a lot of cool hardware out there right now. |
| 04:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | curses his N810 located next to his pillow. this has to change |
| 04:59.03 | Dave | uh oh |
| 04:59.18 | Dave | bat army: I summon you! |
| 04:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | dawn here. asleep |
| 05:02.37 | Chocky | so er, why isn't my GPS working? |
| 05:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | remove uSD ;-) |
| 05:03.47 | Chocky | very funny |
| 05:04.17 | Chocky | hm, I like the tangogps topo map. |
| 05:04.25 | Dave | :] |
| 05:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | too funny? ok, update agpsd to latest then |
| 05:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | err wait, was this "update whole framework"? |
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| 05:08.28 | Chocky | I did opkg upgrade, if that's what you're asking |
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| 05:13.35 | Chocky | Debian Packages |
| 05:13.37 | Chocky | Search for Great Vacation deals. Compare Rates and Book today! |
| 05:13.47 | Chocky | nice one, Adwords |
| 05:14.59 | mwester | what? in opkg? |
| 05:15.03 | Chocky | yessier |
| 05:15.05 | Chocky | -e |
| 05:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | wonders whether to reanimate an old project of him, to put Neo on needlebed tester to finally get an accurate schem ;D |
| 05:18.12 | mwester | has an image of a neo in an Iron Maiden, with an angry user slamming the door shut... |
| 05:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 05:22.03 | Dave | creepy |
| 05:22.06 | Dave | yet intriguing :p |
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| 07:04.51 | Dave | Sargun |
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| 07:22.26 | PaulFertser | vininim: Hey, there is a way to debug kernel panic without dboard. |
| 07:24.12 | PaulFertser | vininim: but it requires compiling a patched kernel. Or soldering an uart converter. Choose your destiny :) |
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| 08:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | 11:30 ZDF-INFO neues spezial linux |
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| 10:57.27 | Bert_2 | Hi, I just updated shr-unstable and now the settingsmanager seems to be partely deffect, did I do something wrong ? |
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| 11:04.06 | Bert_2 | ow, now it's working again :d |
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| 14:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 14:37.43 | Chocky | :o |
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| 14:44.34 | sebastie1 | hello |
| 14:44.51 | sebastie1 | I just bought an openmoko |
| 14:44.57 | Chocky | :o |
| 14:45.00 | sebastie1 | and update to the last SHR release |
| 14:45.06 | sebastie1 | however it seems quite slow |
| 14:45.12 | sebastie1 | and I wanted to lnwot |
| 14:45.13 | Chocky | heh. |
| 14:45.26 | sebastie1 | know if someone could point me to the right wiki page |
| 14:45.44 | Chocky | the page that tells you how to supercharge your freerunner? |
| 14:45.45 | sebastie1 | it looks like t |
| 14:45.57 | sebastie1 | ah I didn t see this page |
| 14:47.45 | sebastie1 | chocky: do you know which is the fastest UI distribution ? |
| 14:48.07 | Chocky | well, the "fastest" is probably a purely command line based one. |
| 14:49.12 | sebastie1 | Chocky: umh strange when I ran htop it took 15% of the CPU |
| 14:49.18 | Chocky | heh |
| 14:49.20 | Gnutoo | if I remember well or understood well they started reimplementing the framework or part of it in C |
| 14:49.30 | henk | i thought in 'vala'? |
| 14:49.31 | Gnutoo | but i'm realy not shure |
| 14:49.53 | Gnutoo | henk, you may be right and I may be wrong then |
| 14:50.06 | sebastie1 | I think that would be clever, the other test I did was with qt, and it respond really fast |
| 14:50.10 | Gnutoo | but anyway vala is translated to C isn't it |
| 14:50.11 | Gnutoo | ? |
| 14:50.26 | sebastie1 | but the SHR, it so slow that it doesn t seem to be usa |
| 14:50.27 | sebastie1 | le |
| 14:50.30 | sebastie1 | usable |
| 14:50.36 | mwester | Yes, there is a bug where something in the window manager consumes 10 - 30 % of the CPU constantly. there are workarounds. |
| 14:50.57 | henk | Gnutoo: ah, that might be. |
| 14:50.58 | Chocky | sebastie1: for the moment, Qtopia is probably the most useful and responsive as a phone. |
| 14:51.09 | Chocky | Andriod is not far behind, but needs a little more work |
| 14:51.11 | mwester | sebastie1: SHR is the most useful distro at the moment; the philosophy seems to be that it should work first, and then later it can be tuned. |
| 14:51.46 | Chocky | so, all the distros do something good, but there isn't a magic one ;-) |
| 14:51.54 | Chocky | and all of them do nasty stuff |
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| 14:52.17 | Chocky | e.g, how the hell do I get rid of the "MPlayer" icon from SHR? |
| 14:52.35 | sebastie1 | umh, in fact it looks like there is a lot of work to be done on the shr |
| 14:52.56 | sebastie1 | when I add a look at the e-wn video on the website, it looks fast |
| 14:53.03 | mwester | sebastie1: it all in development -- I hope you didn't expect that there was a completed software set for the device! |
| 14:53.07 | Chocky | The "unstable" SHR is a bit faster. |
| 14:53.16 | sebastie1 | but the shr UI is not respomding rapidly |
| 14:53.25 | Chocky | the release SHR sucks |
| 14:53.55 | sebastie1 | also, I bought a 4Go sd card |
| 14:54.01 | sebastie1 | but I have a lot of I/O erros |
| 14:54.07 | Chocky | :o |
| 14:54.13 | sebastie1 | and the mount swith back to RO after sometime |
| 14:54.18 | Chocky | some random no-name brand? |
| 14:54.25 | sebastie1 | I have to perform a remount |
| 14:54.32 | mwester | Something tells me that sebastie1 should return the phone to where he bought it... |
| 14:54.34 | sebastie1 | umh german one: takeMS |
| 14:54.50 | sebastie1 | but I recognize, a cheap one : 13 Eur |
| 14:54.50 | Gnutoo | I wonder when the kernel patch that is in 2.6.29,that permit the usage of the phone will be backported to 2.6.28...it prevent me from using the phone and the settings functionalities right now... |
| 14:54.56 | henk | hm is that mini usb or micro usb on the fr? |
| 14:55.40 | sebastie1 | mwester: no, I wanted to know if I performed the first steps correctly |
| 14:55.49 | mjr | mini-b |
| 14:55.57 | mwester | sebastie1: you did. |
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| 14:56.15 | henk | mjr: thanks |
| 14:56.29 | sebastie1 | mwester: when I did the conference in milan on the openmoko, it looks like the distribs were a lot faster on the mobile of the others |
| 14:56.36 | sebastie1 | that s the reason |
| 14:56.38 | mwester | sebastie1: the phone is slow, many hardware flaws, the software stacks are also slow, with numerous problems. Consider it a good day if it boots, and if you can do anything more than that, it's a wonderful day! :D |
| 14:57.14 | mwester | It's only been two years -- give openmoko a break. They ALMOST have a phone that can make a phone call correctly! |
| 14:57.18 | mwester | </sarcasm> |
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| 14:57.39 | SpeedEvil | mwester: careful! |
| 14:57.40 | sebastie1 | mwester: yes the qt distrib looks usable for every days use |
| 14:57.47 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you forgot the <sarcasm> tag. |
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| 14:57.52 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you might run out |
| 14:58.00 | KenYoung | mwester, I think that's a bit harsh. There are many owners, myself included, who use their Freerunners as phones. |
| 14:58.33 | mwester | KenYoung: I know - there are different expectations for the device. I bet you know how to do SMD sodering, and have the buzz fixed too. |
| 14:58.56 | mwester | I can't fiind anyone to do that, so even if the sofware worked, I can't use it as a work-capable phone. |
| 14:59.09 | KenYoung | I did the GPS solder-job, but not the buzz fix (yet). |
| 14:59.24 | Dave | :D |
| 14:59.25 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you're in .de? |
| 14:59.31 | Dave | Good morning, Ken :) |
| 14:59.38 | Dave | nods to mwester |
| 14:59.41 | KenYoung | Good morning, Dave! |
| 14:59.56 | mwester | I guess if one purchased it expecting an experimental device that would be fun to hack on as a linux device that can, oh by the way, also make phone calls, then it's a MARVELOUS device. |
| 15:00.02 | Dave | So, where are we holding this thing? |
| 15:00.09 | Dave | If anyone's still interested :) |
| 15:00.13 | mwester | But if you bought it as a phone, then there's nothing to say except that it sucks. |
| 15:00.19 | mwester | SpeedEvil: US |
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| 15:01.00 | mwester | We don't have repair shops for cell phones here; we have shops with big garbage bins into which they toss your "broken" phone, so they can sell you a new one. |
| 15:01.14 | Dave | brokenmoko |
| 15:03.42 | KenYoung | The fact that people are not in the habit of treating a cell phone as if it were something worth repairing does not mean that's the ideal way for the world to work. |
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| 15:04.24 | Chocky | Dave |
| 15:05.03 | Dave | CHOX |
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| 15:05.17 | Chocky | Dave: San Diego, kthxbyte |
| 15:05.17 | Dave | Ken, much like laptops today |
| 15:05.20 | Chocky | -t |
| 15:05.23 | Dave | hah |
| 15:05.30 | Dave | bayarea or nothing |
| 15:05.34 | Dave | KTHX |
| 15:05.50 | Chocky | hm., Bay Area is a possibility. |
| 15:05.54 | Chocky | would depend on dates. |
| 15:05.54 | Dave | \o/ |
| 15:05.58 | Dave | Okay |
| 15:06.01 | Dave | Agreed |
| 15:06.02 | Dave | :p |
| 15:06.09 | mwester | KenYoung: You're completely correct. It's wasteful, and needless, and it's a sad part of American culture. But it's the reason why the "unofficial" just-take-the-phone-to-your-phone-shop-at-the-corner-to-have-them-solder-it solution that Openmoko seems to be promoting just won't work. |
| 15:06.39 | Chocky | hm, I've yet to try out the fancy soldering iron I got for Xmas |
| 15:06.54 | Dave | oooh! |
| 15:06.59 | Dave | Break that bitch iiiiiiiiiin ;D |
| 15:07.04 | mwester | has a 150 Watt Weller soldering gun. Would that work? |
| 15:07.06 | Dave | high-fives Chocky |
| 15:07.12 | KenYoung | Well, the "get some friends together, one of whom can solder" method seems to be catching on, and that might be a good model, even in the US. |
| 15:07.15 | Dave | Mwester, woohoo, woldering guuuuuuuuuuuun! |
| 15:07.17 | Chocky | I only solder about 3 times a year, but it's a PITA having a crappy one |
| 15:07.27 | Dave | We here, in America, like our guns... in any shape size or form :D |
| 15:07.36 | Chocky | and big wheels. |
| 15:07.55 | Chocky | and guns. See Oakland yesterday. |
| 15:08.34 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 15:08.36 | Chocky | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250392812172 \o/ |
| 15:08.36 | mwester | KenYoung: you have any idea how big the US is? :-D $300 Airfare + hotel to fly to Boston, or $500 plus double-the-hotel-rates for the bay area isn't really practical -- rather expensive compared to, for example, sending the phone back to Om for repair -- which is what they should do. |
| 15:08.39 | Dave | AsAlways |
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| 15:08.56 | Chocky | mwester: yes, but beer is implicated |
| 15:09.07 | Dave | mwester... but think of the PARTY! \o/ |
| 15:09.10 | mwester | can't afford beer anymore either. |
| 15:09.13 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:09.24 | mwester | We're in a depression, you know! |
| 15:09.29 | Dave | yeah yeah *rolls eyes* |
| 15:09.32 | Dave | cellphones be damned |
| 15:09.36 | mwester | At least that's what our politicians keep telling us. |
| 15:09.44 | Chocky | that's a "recession" |
| 15:09.55 | KenYoung | Om repari funding should go in the next stimulus package. |
| 15:10.20 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:10.24 | Dave | I'll call Obama. :p |
| 15:10.31 | Chocky | Ok, how can I remove permanently the Mplayer icon from SHR? |
| 15:10.33 | KenYoung | Om is too big to fail! |
| 15:10.35 | mwester | Heh! Om might have been able to use the money that wasted on the automakers. Think of what opensource could have done with that kind of funding! |
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| 15:10.48 | Dave | TO THE MOOOOOOON!! |
| 15:10.56 | Dave | AND BEYOND! |
| 15:11.26 | SpeedEvil | Hurd could finally be made into a working OS. |
| 15:11.40 | SpeedEvil | Hurd/Sugar |
| 15:11.43 | Chocky | yes, but people still wouldn't use it, given Linux |
| 15:12.13 | KenYoung | Hurd was designed to work best with bubble memory. |
| 15:12.20 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 15:12.23 | SpeedEvil | Bubble memory. |
| 15:12.33 | Chocky | that's going back a ways. |
| 15:12.38 | Chocky | but someone answer my question |
| 15:12.48 | SpeedEvil | That goes back almost as far as 'Flash will be cheaper than hard disks next year'. |
| 15:12.58 | Chocky | or "year of the network" |
| 15:13.05 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: sorry - nope. |
| 15:13.15 | mwester | Chocky: you want me to give you the pathname? |
| 15:13.27 | Chocky | mwester: if it helps |
| 15:13.28 | KenYoung | Or the Japanese Fifth Generation Computing initiative. |
| 15:13.33 | Dave | :o |
| 15:13.33 | vininim | Hurd can't even deciden on a micro-kernel |
| 15:13.51 | SpeedEvil | (having said that, flash actually _is_ getting there. I'm about to redo my desktop with a 16GB SD as main storage. |
| 15:14.01 | vininim | desktop? |
| 15:14.17 | Dave | haha |
| 15:14.18 | SpeedEvil | 99.5% of the stuff I use is in that 16G |
| 15:14.19 | Chocky | and try fitting a harddrive to the insider of your freerunner ;-) |
| 15:14.33 | Dave | chocky, I did :D |
| 15:14.35 | SpeedEvil | choc: I have some 1*4*3cm hard drives |
| 15:14.40 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: 20Mb |
| 15:14.50 | Chocky | shakes head. |
| 15:15.09 | mwester | Chocky: Don't remember it off the top of my head - sorry! You'll have to do a little searching. It's a file in a directory for each icon that appears on the desktop - the path is referenced on the wiki in a number of places, but a bit of digging about will find it as well. That's all the help I can offer; that's how I do it, and yes it should be better documented. And yes, it should all work after two years. And yes, it's all quite painful |
| 15:15.09 | mwester | ! :-D |
| 15:15.10 | Chocky | anyway, 20 Megabit is not that big. |
| 15:15.21 | SpeedEvil | choc: byte |
| 15:15.54 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: though IIRC 4G CF hard disks are/were available |
| 15:16.09 | Chocky | mwester: well, I know there's a .e file you can remove, but it gets regenerated |
| 15:16.10 | Chocky | :o |
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| 15:17.21 | Chocky | Am I right in thinking pythm is really the only music player? |
| 15:17.49 | henk | SpeedEvil: http://channel.debian.de/netiquette/ch-rules.html#s-bitchx one of those rules is for removing the bold : after nicks. all the other settings are for other fscked up annoyances in bitchx... |
| 15:17.58 | vininim | iirc, /usr/share/applications |
| 15:18.27 | Chocky | greps for it. nothing in applications. |
| 15:18.28 | Dave | ... /usr/share/pixmaps? |
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| 15:18.49 | Dave | it was something like that |
| 15:19.03 | mwester | /usr/share/applications/whatever.desktop IIRC |
| 15:19.17 | Chocky | thinks you're all wrong :| |
| 15:19.37 | mwester | thinks Chocky hasn't given us the _whole_ question. |
| 15:20.07 | Chocky | mwester: most likely; but how can I expand? |
| 15:20.27 | Chocky | clearly the MPlayer icon as it is is useless. It just runs it with no commands. |
| 15:20.44 | Chocky | and I did remove the mplayer package |
| 15:20.48 | mwester | Perhaps you can tell us what you have tried, and what you have observed when you do so. |
| 15:20.54 | Chocky | and mplayer-common |
| 15:21.25 | Chocky | ah, perhaps it's the .local/share/applications/ |
| 15:21.54 | Chocky | yes, good. |
| 15:22.06 | Dave | \o/ |
| 15:22.27 | Chocky | Now, I want to get rid of "Elementary Test Application" :p |
| 15:22.41 | mwester | Where did you get this stuff?? |
| 15:22.43 | Chocky | which _is_ in /usr/share/applications |
| 15:22.57 | Chocky | ETOOMANY? |
| 15:23.08 | Chocky | I got this stuff as part of the SHR snapshot yesterday |
| 15:23.20 | mwester | strange stuff in the dev snapshots! |
| 15:23.28 | Chocky | no kidding |
| 15:23.30 | mwester | uses the SHR-lite distro. |
| 15:23.50 | vininim | uses uboot dfu-util |
| 15:23.59 | Chocky | Now, the most important question. Why isn't duke3d running? |
| 15:24.05 | mwester | much cleaner... and I really have no use for mplayer or video apps -- because I know that the hardware and kernel can't do it anyway. |
| 15:25.06 | Chocky | yes, but it's more than capable of MP3 - if I can find a less shitty media player :-( |
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| 15:25.28 | Chocky | the one in Qtopia was just about sensible. As is the android one. |
| 15:25.30 | vininim | does it use tremor and mad? |
| 15:25.49 | Chocky | vininim: yes, but that's not the point. |
| 15:25.58 | Chocky | the point is the incredibly bad UI that pythm has. |
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| 15:26.45 | mwester | Chocky: You'll need to mod the hardware to do MP3, unless you use Bluetooth. |
| 15:26.54 | Chocky | yes, understood |
| 15:27.19 | KenYoung | Or just listen to the BeeGees |
| 15:27.22 | Chocky | let's assume that quality is sufficent (for me) (just) for listening on the train |
| 15:27.27 | mwester | hehe!! |
| 15:27.46 | SeligArkin | dies laughing |
| 15:28.00 | Chocky | "Tragedy" |
| 15:29.34 | SeligArkin | actualy, I can't attest one way or the other |
| 15:29.54 | SeligArkin | but from what I heard its pretty bad |
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| 15:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: s/do mp3/enjoy audio playback/ |
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| 15:31.23 | mwester | :) DocScrutinizer, that's implied -- I do mp3 in order to enjoy audio playback; there's little other purpose! :-D But yes, you are technically correct. |
| 15:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: you can however try to enjoy audio without using any mp3 |
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| 15:32.38 | Chocky | irrespetive of the hardware issues, actually getting something to play is too challenging right now. |
| 15:32.43 | mwester | Yes, but a wav file played back won't sound any better. |
| 15:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: that's my point |
| 15:33.18 | mwester | Nevertheless, a lot of evils are fixed if we can just get Openmoko to do the GSM buzz fix, and use bluetooth for everything else. |
| 15:33.49 | Chocky | so, are there suggested bluetooth stereo headsets? |
| 15:34.13 | mwester | Bluetooth development has (astonishingly) not been done, until very very recently. |
| 15:34.28 | Chocky | takes that as a no. |
| 15:34.33 | vininim | HCI principles people: feedback! |
| 15:34.35 | mwester | DocScrutinizer and Paul did a lot of work, I think, with ALSA and may have some ideas. |
| 15:35.01 | vininim | I would prefer a slow text-all-over boot than a black screen that I don't know if it's booting or not working |
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| 15:36.03 | mwester | They seemed to have little trouble getting the audio playback working, the challenge seemed to be in making a bluetooth phone headset working -- or maybe I have that all wrong. I just saw the conversation on the email aliases... |
| 15:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | vininim: you're talking strange |
| 15:36.37 | Chocky | tries deforas-player. could the buttons be any smaller? |
| 15:36.56 | mwester | No vininim makes sense. That was another battle on the Om kernel list. Many people seemed to think that a black screen, and hiding all feedback, was "good". |
| 15:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: Chocky: A2DP playback seems to work |
| 15:37.16 | Chocky | yes, some feedback is good, but clearly the scrolling makes it take forever. |
| 15:37.23 | Chocky | and frankly, the text looks crappy |
| 15:37.34 | mwester | Yes. for everything. |
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| 15:38.02 | vininim | well, *at this point*, fast booting is of no use |
| 15:38.16 | mwester | The problem is that some folks (the ones in charge, clearly) felt that the phone was "finished" and therefore speed was important instead of displaying any faults or failures at boot. |
| 15:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm not one of the blackscreeners ;Ãl |
| 15:38.29 | Chocky | stupid insular geeks |
| 15:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 15:38.54 | mwester | We are told the hardware can speed the scrolling, but nobody had implemented that. |
| 15:38.55 | Chocky | dammit. don't make me port a usable MP3 player from somewhere :o |
| 15:39.38 | mwester | Chocky: I think you'll have to. The rest of us are just happy it functions as well as it does at this point. Welcome aboard the development team; we're glad to have you! |
| 15:39.46 | mwester | :D |
| 15:39.47 | Chocky | no volume control. good grief. |
| 15:39.57 | mwester | edit the alsa state file. |
| 15:40.07 | mwester | That's the solution offered on the mailing lists ;) |
| 15:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | muahahaha |
| 15:40.58 | Chocky | stabs someone. |
| 15:41.12 | Chocky | alsamixer will work :p |
| 15:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 15:41.20 | Chocky | "just fire up a console" |
| 15:41.24 | Chocky | useless |
| 15:41.38 | Chocky | ok, let me try some video |
| 15:41.48 | mwester | waits for the screams |
| 15:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, it's a pity there's no funding for my alsa-api project |
| 15:42.12 | Chocky | scps over Shrek. |
| 15:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | heeheeheehehehehhe muahaha |
| 15:42.50 | Chocky | I guess what I'd like is some kind of autosync with podcasts and stuff. that might be some kind of cron script, which would be acceptable |
| 15:43.53 | vininim | there's cofondos project for that |
| 15:44.01 | vininim | but no one made offers yet |
| 15:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | Chocky: don't forget to install patched mplayer, and to transcode shrek to a reasonable format prior to scp |
| 15:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | Chocky: then you might actually get video on FR |
| 15:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | slideshow otherwise ;-) |
| 15:47.22 | Chocky | shrek is transcoded to hell and back |
| 15:47.35 | Chocky | 480x234 for my GPS |
| 15:47.55 | vininim | your gps can play videos? |
| 15:47.58 | Chocky | I have mplayer from unstable feeds. is that sufficient |
| 15:48.10 | Chocky | yessir. it's wince, and I hacked stuff onto it. |
| 15:48.29 | Chocky | but it can only understand a 2GB USB drive, so I pushed the compression really high. |
| 15:48.53 | Chocky | anyway, shrek seems to play ok. Except for the orientation being unhelpful, and not actually fullscreen |
| 15:49.54 | Chocky | I'd change the preferences, except there's nothing in the preferences popup. fnar. |
| 15:51.48 | Chocky | hm, stupid. I have to rotate as part of my transcoding. sigh. |
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| 15:56.56 | Chocky | sigh |
| 15:57.04 | Chocky | stupid idiot putting mistakes in the wiki |
| 15:57.13 | Chocky | the mencoder command has spaces after the slashes |
| 15:57.21 | vininim | might be the wiki reformating it |
| 15:57.27 | Chocky | nope |
| 15:57.40 | Chocky | fixes |
| 15:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | good :) |
| 15:58.56 | Chocky | sigh |
| 15:59.05 | Chocky | tries reencoding Shrek. |
| 15:59.54 | Chocky | what's the most stupid about this project is not the hardware issues and such, but all the very very obvious software and documentation crap that could easily have been fixed months ago. |
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| 16:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | Chocky: it could all have been put into perfect shape in 7 day (even free sunday) given god or an *army* of gifted developers did it |
| 16:10.19 | Chocky | :p |
| 16:10.49 | Chocky | or just people not putting random crap in the wiki |
| 16:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | so wiki would be mostly epty then ;D |
| 16:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/ep/emp/ |
| 16:11.40 | Chocky | on the contrary. it would have 1/2 as much stuff in it. |
| 16:12.03 | Chocky | and I wouldn't have to sift through reams of stuff that is irrelevant or should never have been added |
| 16:12.26 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * re8d00151688e 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): thread skeleton |
| 16:12.28 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0b1fede33849 10/.gitignore: add executables to gitignore |
| 16:12.29 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * re48e4525905f 10/examples/library/mainloops.vala: E and G threads |
| 16:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | ack. admittedly too few decent entries of core staff in wiki |
| 16:13.40 | Chocky | I rewrote the USB networking page last year, but within days it began to accumulate the same old crap |
| 16:13.48 | Chocky | I daren't look at it now |
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| 16:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | what OM would have needed was a technically savy editor writing real manpages or some other sort of manual |
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| 16:18.15 | chi1 | how's the situation with openmokos in sweden? |
| 16:18.35 | Chocky | well, that mplayer is borked. green screen. |
| 16:20.27 | shellevil | thinks 'Brave Sir Kevin' would be a good manual writer. |
| 16:24.03 | Chocky | looks like I hosed glamo driver, and will need to reboot |
| 16:28.30 | Chocky | sobs |
| 16:28.40 | Chocky | duke3d script doesn't work, cos no bash installed |
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| 16:29.02 | PaulFertser | bd2: Hi there! Congratulations with your eSDHC support finally accepted mainline! Cool work :) |
| 16:30.11 | Chocky | Checking sound inits. |
| 16:30.12 | Chocky | Unknown Multivoc error code |
| 16:30.13 | Chocky | nice |
| 16:37.16 | Chocky | dialer crashes when I dial |
| 16:37.16 | Chocky | sigh. |
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| 16:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | Chocky: probably you hosed glamo itself |
| 16:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | Chocky: and wtf is "sound inits" ? |
| 16:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | and "Unknown Multivoc error code"? |
| 16:39.32 | Chocky | Log from duke3d crash. |
| 16:39.43 | Chocky | After I installed bash :p |
| 16:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | well seems doesn't help much to paste it here |
| 16:40.09 | Chocky | not at all |
| 16:40.14 | Chocky | someone may know |
| 16:40.20 | Chocky | There are many people here. |
| 16:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm :-/ |
| 16:40.35 | Chocky | Yes, and don't lecture me about bug reporting. |
| 16:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just watching this rant for he last 12h and feeling not as good as I did 12h ago, but still all the time thinking "WTF??". Posting unrelated details and rant most likely doesn't help anybody |
| 16:43.16 | Chocky | Whoa, back up the guilt trip. |
| 16:43.32 | Chocky | I fail to see what the "unrelated details" are. |
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| 16:44.04 | Chocky | In any case, it helps me, and will help others, no matter what your feelings. |
| 16:44.18 | Chocky | I'm not just someone bitching it doesn't all work. I'm trying to get a complete picture. |
| 16:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | just everybody else here already did |
| 16:45.01 | Chocky | That makes no sense. |
| 16:45.44 | Chocky | Would you prefer I stfu, and leave the channel and project? I already did that for 10 months cos it was so messed up. |
| 16:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do for now |
| 16:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 16:46.09 | Chocky | do you think we should pretend there are no problems? |
| 16:46.19 | Chocky | that seems to be the attitude that is on the lists, as mentioned earlier |
| 16:46.54 | PaulFertser | Chocky: constructive feedback is needed. Talking about all the random things at once just confuses everybody. |
| 16:47.13 | vininim | I don't think the project has a lack of disgruntled users |
| 16:47.24 | Chocky | paulproteus: I strongly assert that that is not what I'm doing. Save such comments for the noobs. |
| 16:47.32 | Chocky | beats bitchx. |
| 16:47.58 | vininim | right now ``the project'' could use more developers |
| 16:48.27 | Chocky | vininim: no doubt. but it's far from clear which distro any developers should contribute to, since it's so very splintered. |
| 16:48.35 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r47afbc8b440d 10/examples/library/mainloops.vala: add some logic for proper shutdown |
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| 16:49.47 | vininim | lulz, what is up with the applications in shr-unstable |
| 16:49.51 | Chocky | I am a developer, and probably have more experience than just about anyone here - especially with ARM and embedded development. However, it's not something you can just jump into. |
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| 16:49.53 | vininim | do we really have firefox and X-jed? |
| 16:50.24 | Chocky | vininim: :o that's the kind of comedy that is everywhere in the project |
| 16:51.56 | Chocky | _Moreover_, note the number of questions I've been asking. Many don't seem to have answers - not even "I don't know" from someone. |
| 16:52.06 | vininim | it's sunday |
| 16:52.10 | Chocky | troo. |
| 16:52.24 | Chocky | but it's no less busy that it is during the week, IME |
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| 16:52.48 | PaulFertser | Chocky: there's not that much distros: FSO is a demo for framework; SHR is actively developed community maintained distro; Debian is Debian using FSO middleware; Gentoo is Gentoo, using FSO, aimed at cross-compiling everything. What's the confusion? |
| 16:53.10 | Chocky | PaulFertser: oh boy, 10 points for over simplication. |
| 16:53.24 | PaulFertser | Chocky: out of how many? |
| 16:53.25 | mwester | Chocky: A lot of the questions you "ask" read like complaints, and we've all asked them, and most of the die-hards here on the channel are quite weary of answering them again and again... |
| 16:53.30 | vininim | there is also qt-extended-improved |
| 16:53.49 | Chocky | mwester: sorry for not knowing the the answers :p |
| 16:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.08 | mwester | Sorry for not realizing that you were really interested in answers. |
| 16:54.10 | Chocky | PaulFertser: there's at least 3 Debian distros for starters. And a proliferation of FSO variants |
| 16:54.22 | Chocky | there's 3 versions of Android |
| 16:54.31 | man1 | and ? |
| 16:54.33 | PaulFertser | Chocky: 3 Debian distros? I know only pkg-fso Debian, H:1 and fyp. |
| 16:54.34 | Chocky | at least 2 of Qtopia |
| 16:54.35 | vininim | as a experienced ARM developer, does that really matters? |
| 16:54.44 | vininim | choose what you like most |
| 16:54.57 | Chocky | vininim: it's not even clear what they all _are_ |
| 16:55.17 | vininim | Do like everyone else, try, get dissapointed, change, then go back SHR |
| 16:55.29 | mwester | Chocky: if you were really interested in some guidance, someone would have pointed you to the only Android distro being worked, the only real FSO project being worked (SHR), and pointed you to the qt-extended stuff. That's three, it really has become that simple. |
| 16:55.33 | PaulFertser | Chocky: H:1 is not active, neither here, nor at common ML. fyp is some inadequate initiative, not exposed to the users too. |
| 16:55.43 | Chocky | vininim: or, I could ask, and not waste huge amounts of time that might otherwise be put into development. |
| 16:56.00 | man1 | maybe #openmoko-android may help |
| 16:56.13 | man1 | #openmoko-debian may help |
| 16:56.15 | mwester | Since you're asking, SHR is where it's at. That's all. :) |
| 16:56.18 | vininim | Chocky: you'll get oversimplifications =P |
| 16:56.25 | Chocky | mwester: I already went through all those. but again, there's several variants of each. It took me agues to figure out what combos "worked" |
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| 16:58.44 | vininim | You'll always go back to SHR, I promise =P |
| 16:58.56 | Chocky | again, this situation would be enormously clearer, with the wiki in better shape. But someone has to ask |
| 16:59.05 | Chocky | vinimin: Qtopia, at this point. |
| 16:59.18 | man1 | Qtopia is dead |
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| 16:59.25 | Chocky | it's clearly not. |
| 16:59.44 | Chocky | irrspecitve of Trolltech |
| 17:00.02 | Zorkman | true, seems like qtopia is even more active since it's community driven |
| 17:00.21 | Zorkman | anyway, didn't quite follow the discussion, but at this point i'm fairly content with SHR-testing |
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| 17:00.39 | Zorkman | I can use it as a daily phone, and use a lot of things that qtopia doesn't yet let me enjoy |
| 17:01.11 | Chocky | my SHR dialer crashes, so that is a nope for me. |
| 17:01.32 | Zorkman | are you on unstable Chocky? because on shr-testing it works fine for me.. |
| 17:01.46 | Chocky | is on unstable, and with all the caveats for that. |
| 17:01.50 | Zorkman | and you can use zhone also if you want |
| 17:01.56 | Chocky | ew ;-) |
| 17:02.01 | Zorkman | i know :) |
| 17:03.41 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: to me current OM qtopia community seems to be quite toothless. |
| 17:04.22 | Chocky | So does OM development in general, to the causal outsider. What's your point? |
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| 17:05.42 | Chocky | it's true it probably lacks any real direction, unlike perhaps Android, but there's interest in resolving some of its issues. |
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| 17:10.38 | PaulFertser | Chocky: don't count on OM-the-company, count on the community. SHR is the major community-driven distro. |
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| 17:12.30 | Zorkman | Chocky: have you checked paroli? what are your thoughts (i don't like it, but might be judging too fast) |
| 17:16.54 | Bert_2 | Say, which wifi manager can connect to open, wep and wpa connections and works in a good and stable way on SHR ? |
| 17:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | Bert_2: tbh I didn't find any for my desktop even |
| 17:18.46 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: lol, i even never tried to do that :) |
| 17:19.11 | mwester | Windows XP has one that pretty much works. |
| 17:19.17 | Bert_2 | DocScrutinizer: lol, you hate wifiradar, wicd and nm-applet ? |
| 17:19.31 | Bert_2 | mwester: really, I hate it |
| 17:20.00 | mwester | Ah, but you didn't say that you had to like it - you just wanted one that could connect and worked with SHR. |
| 17:20.07 | mwester | :P |
| 17:20.27 | PaulFertser | mwester: good luck trying to copy password hash from one windows pc to another. ;) |
| 17:20.38 | Bert_2 | mwester: I want one that works ON SHR and that I can use to connect to my school and work wifi etc. |
| 17:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: windows won't :P |
| 17:20.56 | mwester | Works as well on SHR as most of the other do! |
| 17:21.14 | Bert_2 | mwester: I only found mofi and it always crashes |
| 17:21.25 | mwester | BTW, what is the one that's on the Nokia tablets? Why have we never considered porting that? |
| 17:21.33 | mirko|busy | is still waiting for Chocky 's devastating comment ;) |
| 17:21.35 | mwester | My n800 works REALLY well with wifi. |
| 17:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: but connecting PAN is a PITA |
| 17:22.36 | mwester | Hmm... I always blamed that on me being stupid and not knowing enough about bluetooth. |
| 17:22.59 | mwester | So it's not just me then, the PAN is a pain to set up... |
| 17:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | yup, on maemo it is |
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| 17:24.23 | mwester | I have xchat on my n800, and I intended to use it when mobile via my cell phone, it just doesn't behave very well. So that's one thing I'd like to be able to do with the FR at some point - Xchat or similar IRC client over GPRS. |
| 17:24.27 | Zorkman | does anyone know how to read wikipedia offline on the fr, without a sqashfs kernel module? (evopedia needs it, and the recent kernels don't have it) |
| 17:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: but otherwise I agree maemo wifi manager "just woks"(TM) |
| 17:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: this conv done via xchat/N810 ;-) |
| 17:25.50 | mwester | cool. |
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| 17:26.30 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r357b572cafe7 10/examples/library/mainloops.vala: layout plan |
| 17:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: PAN also kinda works once setup correctly |
| 17:28.30 | mwester | I couldn't get it to hold a connection with my treo. Might be the treo, though - I have no other phones to test with (just my FR... :P ) |
| 17:28.54 | mwester | gotta run out for a bit -later. |
| 17:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm windoof6.1 here |
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| 17:30.20 | Chocky | Zorkman: I did check the description, but to be honest, I couldn't figure out what the hell the point was, or what it did. there's no info on the main wiki about it, just the mystery builds. |
| 17:30.30 | Chocky | same story with some of the other builds, like "nox" |
| 17:30.53 | Zorkman | but it's what "om-the-company" is going to support... |
| 17:31.10 | Chocky | that's news to me. like I say, nowt on the wiki. |
| 17:31.29 | Bert_2 | Zorkman: what's the company doing ? |
| 17:31.30 | Zorkman | yeah, it was on the ml list, that future om plans were fso + paroli |
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| 17:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: hi :) |
| 17:34.31 | mirko-paroli | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 17:34.35 | mirko-paroli | how is life? |
| 17:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | nah, kinda weekend fatigue ;) |
| 17:35.41 | mirko-paroli | i know the feeling |
| 17:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | how's paroli ? :D |
| 17:36.07 | mirko-paroli | want an honest answer :P |
| 17:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not sure |
| 17:36.39 | mirko-paroli | let's put it this way: you probably don't ;) |
| 17:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | enough rumors to scare me ;) |
| 17:37.10 | Chocky | looks like I have to run to CostCo. oh joy. |
| 17:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I anticipated :-/ |
| 17:37.30 | mirko-paroli | ? |
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| 17:37.53 | Chocky | then it looks like I will have to build a Lego castle. |
| 17:38.04 | PaulFertser | imagines OM-the-company takes now-abandoned qtopia again to base gta03 stack on the industry-proven rock-solid commercial-grade distro. |
| 17:38.22 | Chocky | Android ;-) |
| 17:38.25 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: how did you know :P |
| 17:38.26 | Chocky | anyway, bbl. |
| 17:38.35 | mirko-paroli | shivers |
| 17:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: I shouldn't ask questions I probably don't like the answer |
| 17:38.41 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: i'm good at getting hints ;) |
| 17:38.44 | leinir | http://th30z.netsons.org/2009/03/openmoko-my-phone-video-preview/ <-- What, like that? ;) |
| 17:39.04 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I stopped asking a while back as well ;) |
| 17:39.15 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: indeed, you see right through it all ;) |
| 17:40.53 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: to give a metaphoric answer, paroli breathing, and fighting feever and we are not over the hill yet |
| 17:40.54 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
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| 17:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | oh, that's actually better news than what I expected, taking in account all other recent "changes" |
| 17:43.17 | vininim | mmm... vibrator seems to be fixed in unstable (at least in my mini testing :D ) |
| 17:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | vininim: fixed?? |
| 17:44.05 | henk | i haven't quite understood what paroli is. a framework for writing guis that use fso or something like that? |
| 17:44.43 | PaulFertser | The only MS product that won't suck will be a vacuum-cleaner. |
| 17:44.51 | vininim | DocScrutinizer: race conditions led ophonekitd to vibrate the phone endlessly |
| 17:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: yeah!!! \o/ |
| 17:45.25 | vininim | or framework, but it seems to be fixed on my calling myself tests =P |
| 17:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | vininim: ok thnx |
| 17:45.36 | Bert_2 | vininim: now it still vibrates longer than the ringtone |
| 17:46.09 | mirko-paroli | henk: a plugin-based python process that allows for easy application development |
| 17:46.12 | mirko-paroli | at least that is the goal |
| 17:46.21 | mirko-paroli | admitedly we are far from easy |
| 17:46.30 | vininim | Bert_2: no ringtone here o_o |
| 17:46.39 | mirko-paroli | although the problem is not the "core" it is the apps |
| 17:46.51 | mirko-paroli | as they follow the spec seen on the webpage |
| 17:46.56 | mirko-paroli | the core is stable |
| 17:47.03 | Bert_2 | vininim: I had that problem until I downloaded the latest kernel, I found out the kernel I had didn't have the same md5 as the one on the site, altough the date was the same |
| 17:47.04 | vininim | oh my shr-settings is so beautiful now *_* |
| 17:47.07 | mirko-paroli | and makes calls, messaging, calllogs etc |
| 17:47.15 | mmontour | Zorkman: my kernel has a squashfs module (andy-tracking branch) but I haven't tried evopedia yet |
| 17:48.41 | henk | mirko-paroli: ok, thanks. |
| 17:48.43 | Zorkman | mmontour: based on what version is it? |
| 17:49.02 | Zorkman | haven't seen an .28 that had one... |
| 17:49.08 | mirko-paroli | henk: i hope that helps, will probably go for moving to vala as fso does |
| 17:49.10 | mmontour | 'uname -r' is 2.6.29-rc3 |
| 17:49.30 | mirko-paroli | and move lots of functions "closer" to fso and only have the "applets" in python |
| 17:49.37 | mirko-paroli | or any other lang for that matter |
| 17:50.03 | PaulFertser | andy-tracking has squashfs since "Feb 24" |
| 17:50.31 | henk | mirko-paroli: is there a repository for debian yet? |
| 17:50.59 | mirko-paroli | henk: no as there is no etk package and elm crashes on me a lot so I can't complete the move from etk to elm |
| 17:51.19 | Zorkman | mmontour: can i download it from somewhere withouth having to build it? |
| 17:51.34 | henk | mirko-paroli: uhm, ok :) |
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| 17:53.32 | vininim | Bert_2: shr-unstable kernel md5 is bd1b52ceffbafe5dda8629c743a910f5 uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 17:53.34 | vininim | ? |
| 17:53.47 | mmontour | I don't know where you can find a pre-built one. I used "bitbake linux-openmoko-devel" with OE |
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| 17:54.16 | Bert_2 | vininim: yeah, that one has sound for me |
| 17:54.32 | vininim | ok, reflashing |
| 17:54.48 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: wait for the kernel that'll be prepared for testing really soon. |
| 17:54.54 | Bert_2 | vininim: I'm using it on an SD card, I don't know if that makes a difference |
| 17:54.57 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: (end-user testing) |
| 17:56.12 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: i hoped for a recent kernel by tonight 10 o'clock :) is there no image i can reflash right away? |
| 17:56.22 | Zorkman | when the new kernel for end-users come iu can always reflash |
| 17:56.45 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: why don't you want to try the kernel from andy's drawer? |
| 17:57.13 | Zorkman | you mean build it myself? because i'm currently on a windows pc... |
| 17:58.10 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: no, i mean http://people.openmoko.org/andy |
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| 17:58.48 | Zorkman | i see it's >2MB, will modify uboot then |
| 17:59.26 | Zorkman | or would you already recommend qi for stable use as daily phone? |
| 18:00.16 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: i used only Qi |
| 18:02.37 | Weiss | also |
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| 18:20.42 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: which kernel do you recommend from http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ ? there are two differend uimage-moredrivers from 7march for the gta02 |
| 18:20.51 | Zorkman | *different |
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| 18:21.50 | vininim | what is the meaning of sidetone playback? |
| 18:22.42 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: i'd try the latest. |
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| 18:23.20 | SomeT | hi |
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| 18:23.56 | vininim | oh nevermind, wikipedia explains it |
| 18:23.59 | SomeT | i need some help |
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| 18:24.06 | SomeT | just wondering just bought this openmoko |
| 18:24.20 | SomeT | do you reckon its worth while buying the debug board along with it? |
| 18:24.43 | PaulFertser | SomeT: no |
| 18:24.49 | SomeT | good |
| 18:25.03 | SomeT | its just taken me about a year to find someone who will deliver to my country, haha |
| 18:25.16 | KenYoung | SomeT, Save your money for capacitors. |
| 18:25.23 | SomeT | why? |
| 18:25.30 | mwester | hehe! |
| 18:25.38 | SomeT | does it blow up a lot then? |
| 18:25.46 | KenYoung | SomeT, No. |
| 18:26.01 | SomeT | to be honest I am not to good with electronics |
| 18:26.05 | SomeT | i am more into programming |
| 18:26.27 | SomeT | but even then I aint the most advanced as I have just got back into it after 10 years |
| 18:26.35 | KenYoung | SomeT, It's a very fun programming platform. |
| 18:26.35 | SomeT | and have always liked messing with linux |
| 18:26.40 | SomeT | cool |
| 18:26.56 | SomeT | i am doing some studying soon in network security as well |
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| 18:27.05 | SomeT | just wondering i know there is one called NeoPwn |
| 18:27.16 | SomeT | but the guy aint released it for us to download free |
| 18:27.34 | SomeT | is it easy to just run the normal applications used in that under Debian do you reckon? |
| 18:27.49 | SomeT | or it would be a different way of running, haha |
| 18:28.25 | rooly | is rather late to the game it seems... |
| 18:28.35 | rooly | i thought hurd was abandoned |
| 18:29.26 | PaulFertser | SomeT: for wifi hacking you need to use some supported external usb module. |
| 18:29.40 | SomeT | i know |
| 18:29.50 | vininim | my testing plan for volume setting: turn on music, call FR from landline, leave phone near speakers, move to next room. =P |
| 18:29.53 | SomeT | but wanted to get to grips with actually gettings the apps on first |
| 18:29.56 | SomeT | or even making my own |
| 18:30.29 | SomeT | you know the GPS on it |
| 18:30.39 | SomeT | do you have to put an aerial into it or something? |
| 18:30.53 | PaulFertser | vininim: don't forget about AGC |
| 18:31.01 | vininim | AGC? |
| 18:31.17 | SomeT | agc setup |
| 18:31.22 | PaulFertser | vininim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_gain_control |
| 18:31.23 | SomeT | on the wiki |
| 18:31.30 | PaulFertser | vininim: active inside calypso by default. |
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| 18:32.14 | SomeT | so this GPS does anyone know how specific it works |
| 18:32.23 | SomeT | in regards to physical interaction? |
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| 18:34.01 | vininim | mm.. I need some spoken text |
| 18:35.57 | PaulFertser | vininim: with varying volume. And it'd be nice if you could compare freerunner with any regular dumb cell phone. |
| 18:36.48 | SomeT | i once owned a sony ericson phone a few years ago |
| 18:36.54 | SomeT | and the volume on it was terrible |
| 18:37.16 | SomeT | the only line of phones ive owned where I believe they have degraded in quality over time |
| 18:37.31 | vininim | my last phone went bonkers, will see if my brother isn't using his |
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| 18:38.22 | PaulFertser | vininim: and btw, the operator can perform some AGC itself too, so this all is getting a bit too imprecise. But i guess it's still worth trying. |
| 18:39.39 | SomeT | gotta go |
| 18:39.42 | SomeT | c u all later |
| 18:39.43 | rooly | SomeT: so you've never owned a razr |
| 18:39.55 | SomeT | no i hate motorolas anywa |
| 18:39.57 | SomeT | y |
| 18:40.12 | SomeT | i have been waiting for a phone like this for years |
| 18:40.20 | rooly | bye |
| 18:40.21 | SomeT | im dead specific in general anyway |
| 18:40.24 | rooly | you've gots to go, remember? |
| 18:40.37 | SomeT | dont u want to talk to me now then? |
| 18:40.38 | SomeT | lol |
| 18:41.20 | rooly | i was just insulting razr's using your comment |
| 18:41.26 | vininim | to be honest |
| 18:41.31 | SomeT | ah ok cool |
| 18:41.32 | vininim | I need two sound systems |
| 18:41.33 | SomeT | sorry |
| 18:41.35 | rooly | np |
| 18:41.42 | SomeT | anyway i am definitly going now |
| 18:41.42 | SomeT | cya |
| 18:41.48 | Chocky | Personally, I prefer not to talk to people who use "lol" and "im". But that's just me. |
| 18:41.51 | vininim | because it's OK to listen to it on a non-noisy ambient |
| 18:41.56 | Chocky | :p |
| 18:43.19 | rooly | sorry, chocky. this is a casual internet chat, not a publication. proper grammar is not a total necessity beyond basic communication requirements |
| 18:43.56 | Chocky | I strongly disagree. And I know that's not just me. |
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| 18:45.50 | rooly | its obviously a personal preference, and i'll agree to disagree. but refusing to engage someone in discussion or conversation because of the words they use is exactly the same as how northern 'educated' americans treat southern ones, british treat americas, and france treats everyone |
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| 18:46.17 | rooly | anywho, that's the last i'm going to say onthat |
| 18:46.24 | Chocky | I didn't say "refuse" |
| 18:46.27 | Chocky | I said prefer. |
| 18:46.44 | rooly | then i concede that specific point |
| 18:47.00 | Chocky | And in my considerable experience, people who insist on using such lanuage, especially in forums like this, take much more effort to deal with, due to laziness on their part. |
| 18:47.12 | Chocky | where any degree of accuracy is required. |
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| 18:49.04 | man1 | rooly: France is not faulty for its president |
| 18:50.25 | vininim | It's enough to edit state files right? |
| 18:50.47 | rooly | you have to reload them as well |
| 18:50.59 | rooly | but usually reloading is done automatically on state change |
| 18:51.18 | mmontour | If you're doing any serious work with GSM audio you also have to adjust a few controls inside the Calypso |
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| 18:52.46 | vininim | not serious, just trying to raise volume to listenable on a noisy environment |
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| 18:53.13 | rooly | man1: you'll have to justify that statement for me...a president is elected by the people isn't he/her? |
| 18:53.20 | Chocky | heh. |
| 18:53.33 | vininim | it's on max and I could use a little more |
| 18:53.42 | vininim | does voice come from the same speaker as ringtones? |
| 18:53.45 | mwester | rooly: some of the people. |
| 18:54.39 | mmontour | ringtone is from a different speaker |
| 18:54.58 | man1 | rooly: I didn't vote for him, as million other people |
| 18:55.11 | man1 | millions* |
| 18:55.15 | vininim | hmmm maybe voice speaker can't go louder :/ |
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| 18:55.34 | mmontour | Audio tuning is really hard because you are fighting against the echo problem (louder volume = more echo) |
| 18:56.01 | rooly | could go into a voting debate and say that everyone is responsible for the person chosen in a democratic system, regardless of whether or not they voted; the choice to have no say is a vote in itself. only those who vote for someone else get repreive |
| 18:56.11 | rooly | ...so don't blame for for obama... |
| 18:56.35 | PaulFertser | mmontour: are you sure there's still some echo after properly using %N0187? |
| 18:56.37 | rooly | *me |
| 18:56.43 | vininim | ^^ that |
| 18:57.26 | mmontour | PaulFertser: no, I have not repeated my testing since that was discovered. However I did see at least one ML post reporting that normal mic audio was being cut off (if he didn't talk loudly enough) with that setting |
| 18:57.31 | rooly | yeah...someone's gonna have to explain to me how the microphone picks up that little bitty headset speaker |
| 18:58.02 | vininim | but the voice speaker at max settings is kind of clicking, don't know if it's at its limits |
| 18:58.05 | mmontour | rooly: most of the coupling seems to be inside the case. If you put your thumb over the earpiece hole, the coupled audio gets louder |
| 18:58.12 | vininim | or if some interal processing is clipping |
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| 18:58.29 | rooly | so it's a question of an unintentional echo chamber |
| 18:58.37 | rooly | aka acoustics |
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| 18:59.01 | PaulFertser | mmontour: it's not the normal mic audio btw, looks like default state files don't feed calypso with loud enough signal for AGC to work properly. |
| 18:59.18 | PaulFertser | rooly: the acoustic feedback is conducted by the plastic case. |
| 18:59.33 | vininim | hey, I'm still testing speaker, moving to mic later =P |
| 19:00.25 | rooly | needs to open up his case and hack around a little |
| 19:01.17 | rooly | see if i can't apply a presidential solution like a bit 'o cotton around the mic |
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| 19:04.50 | SeligArkin | intwresting |
| 19:04.50 | vininim | okay, I tested mic, and it's kind of clipped too |
| 19:04.54 | SeligArkin | I had a friend send me a mms |
| 19:05.10 | SeligArkin | and now openmoko-message won't run, it segfaults |
| 19:05.14 | vininim | but couldn't reproduce echo, maybe even the way you hold influences it (it was on a table) |
| 19:05.55 | SeligArkin | thats rather amusing |
| 19:07.08 | mwester | Presidential solution like a bit 'o cotton? Wouldn't that be a teleprompter? |
| 19:07.49 | mmontour | I wish I still had access to a proper audio lab for working on the FR. A couple of jobs ago I worked for a place that made computer speakers and they had some nice test gear |
| 19:08.22 | mwester | Didn't someone suggest that you could reduce the echo by minor alteration of the case around either the speaker or the mic? Anyone try that? |
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| 19:11.29 | vininim | opkg upgrade on shr-unstable, wish me luck! xD |
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| 19:18.34 | PaulFertser | vininim: without %N setting echo is reproducible even when FR is laying still on the table. |
| 19:18.41 | PaulFertser | vininim: but it can also depend on the carrier. |
| 19:19.09 | SeligArkin | installs bitbake to get hacking |
| 19:19.26 | PaulFertser | mwester: i think i was suggesting case alterations in general, but i don't know any particular way to get good results. |
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| 19:20.16 | mwester | SeligArkin: just use the super-duper Makefile, let it get all the bits and parts for you -- easier than tracking down which bitbake to use, etc. |
| 19:20.27 | SeligArkin | indeed, thats what I did |
| 19:20.43 | SeligArkin | Now I am trying to learn how to work this beast of a code mess. :P |
| 19:21.04 | mwester | Oh you want to know how it works! |
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| 19:30.38 | vininim | PaulFertser: couldn't reproduce it with me on landline, freerunner on a table next to a speaker(with a rms speech =P) |
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| 19:31.17 | mwester | suspects it was the phone company's RMS suppression logic that kicked in; they didnt' want to hear about GPL anymore! |
| 19:31.31 | vininim | lol |
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| 19:32.30 | SeligArkin | cinteresting |
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| 19:34.08 | andylockran | howdy guys |
| 19:34.12 | Kilian]_afk | hi guys |
| 19:34.28 | andylockran | I've just got my neo1973 back after having it posted around devs for the past 18 months :) |
| 19:35.02 | andylockran | what's the best flash image to put on it (re qtopia/openmoko/qt extended.. not so bothered about phone func |
| 19:35.06 | andylockran | mainly sat nav + tangogps |
| 19:35.49 | Zorkman | anyone modified uboot so it can boot larger kernels? |
| 19:35.55 | PaulFertser | andylockran: i guess SHR testing |
| 19:35.58 | rooly1 | andylockran: fso or shr |
| 19:36.04 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: there is no need to. |
| 19:36.13 | Zorkman | because of qi? |
| 19:36.16 | mmontour | Zorkman: it's just an environment variable |
| 19:36.23 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: because it works without modifications |
| 19:36.26 | Zorkman | mmontour: yes i know, i tried to change it |
| 19:36.29 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: no it doesn't... |
| 19:36.43 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: nandread should get an additional arg, that's all. |
| 19:37.00 | Zorkman | in neocon i type in setenv bootcmd bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 19:37.14 | rooly1 | wants to slap whoever the hell figured that booting the phone in debug mode by default was a smart idea... |
| 19:37.14 | Zorkman | and then the phone starts to boot right away, i don't get a chanse to type "saveenv" |
| 19:37.25 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: without escaping ";"s? nice |
| 19:37.26 | mmontour | missing a \ escaping the ';' |
| 19:37.39 | vininim | rooly1: it is |
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| 19:38.06 | rooly1 | maybe if your running debug operations, vininim |
| 19:38.12 | PaulFertser | vininim: so, you placed your freerunner near the speakers, called from landline, tried to talk into landline but didn't hear any echo? How did you ensure %N is not active? |
| 19:38.31 | mmontour | The '$' also needs to be escaped in that setenv command |
| 19:38.47 | vininim | PaulFertser: the idea is that %N is active because of framework on shr and that it should fix the echo problem |
| 19:38.48 | Zorkman | i guess i also nee da \before the "$" ? |
| 19:38.53 | rooly1 | that's right, escape with your $ intact |
| 19:38.54 | andylockran | PaulFertser: sorry.. so out of date with development I don't know what SHR/FSO is ? |
| 19:39.00 | Zorkman | ah thank mmontour: didn't read it already |
| 19:39.03 | PaulFertser | vininim: and it did fix it for you it seems? |
| 19:39.08 | vininim | seemed so |
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| 19:39.38 | PaulFertser | andylockran: http://freesmartphone.org is the FSO description. There's a "reference" implementation. SHR is community-driven project to build dialer, sms apps etc on top of that. |
| 19:39.44 | rooly1 | andylockran: FSO "freesmartphone.org" and initiative to build a working dbus infrastructure to all the major hardware interfaces including gsm, wifi, gps, bluetooth, etc |
| 19:40.07 | PaulFertser | vininim: so, what's your point? %N helps, we all know that already ;) |
| 19:40.08 | vininim | rooly1: you're supposed to debug sooner or later. =P |
| 19:40.33 | SeligArkin | Lies! |
| 19:40.34 | rooly1 | vininim: sure...but i'm trying to use a phone atm. i don't have time to program on it |
| 19:40.35 | vininim | PaulFertser: heh, just to make sure someone said about ML reports, i was mainly testing speaker volume |
| 19:40.42 | SeligArkin | just release it, someonen else will find the problem and fix it! |
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| 19:41.36 | vininim | rooly1: I mean, at the current state of affairs, it's supposed to break so often that you ought to have debug handy |
| 19:42.27 | rooly1 | meh...fso works fine, qtopia 4.4.1 works fine, so |
| 19:43.23 | SeligArkin | wheee segfault |
| 19:43.38 | SeligArkin | will have to look into thie |
| 19:43.40 | SeligArkin | this |
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| 19:49.36 | Mat3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc |
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| 20:06.36 | PaulFertser | vininim: btw, the earpiece volume is very different between A6 and A7 FYI |
| 20:08.30 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: i installed the andy uImage from 7march, but i still get: |
| 20:08.30 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.30 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.48 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: don't care about that |
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| 20:10.08 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: zgrep SQUASH /proc/config.gz |
| 20:10.11 | Zorkman | ok, sorry, to bother you |
| 20:10.22 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: to make sure you have the necessary module. |
| 20:10.41 | Zorkman | thanks, i will, after the phone is restarted, because with this kernel i'm seeing a few "random shutdowns" :) |
| 20:10.57 | vininim | A6 here |
| 20:11.13 | PaulFertser | vininim: i know, but i thought that we want a general solution ;) |
| 20:12.04 | Zorkman | is it normal that the latest andy-tracking kernel (http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-15ca3dafb2662db4.bin) does not support the battery level in shr-testing? can't see it in illume or in shr-settings |
| 20:12.52 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: i guess it can be normal, yes. And that can be a reason for shutdowns too (framework shutdown on low battery). |
| 20:13.06 | henk | does anyone know what make and type this keyboard is: http://telepixel.ch/openmoko-freerunner/images/usb-mini-keyboard-and-adapter-Af-Bm.jpg ? |
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| 20:29.20 | lymeca | I forgot my one of my SIM card's PIN... Is there a known way of using the FR to reset it somehow? |
| 20:30.33 | PaulFertser | lymeca: like with any other gsm modem. You need to know PIN2 or ask your provider to give you a new SIM. AFAIK. |
| 20:32.33 | Zorkman | andy is no longer a member of openmoko it seems, didn't know that |
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| 20:34.04 | bjdooks | where did you find that out from? |
| 20:34.10 | mmontour | kernel ML today |
| 20:35.19 | mmontour | Zorkman: andy-tracking did have a battery-reading bug for a while. It's fixed now but it might affect the snapshot you tried |
| 20:35.59 | PaulFertser | bjdooks: yep, Andy left :( |
| 20:36.54 | PaulFertser | bjdooks: How are you doing? Great to see you here btw :) |
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| 20:40.06 | bjdooks | I'm sort of tied by an NDA and not having head much from Andy |
| 20:40.37 | Zorkman | bjdooks: werner said it on the list |
| 20:41.08 | Zorkman | mmontour: and what about shutdown after xmin ? (it's plugged in) |
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| 20:43.21 | mmontour | I think the shutdown is frameworkd's reaction to the unreadable battery |
| 20:43.24 | Zorkman | or mmontour: do you have a newer snapshot than 7 march available? |
| 20:44.02 | mmontour | I have the one I built myself, but it's not on a public http server |
| 20:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: s/pin2/puk/ |
| 20:44.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yup, i obviously know too little about gsm, i hope he got the idea :) |
| 20:44.39 | mmontour | is afk for lunch |
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| 20:45.31 | Zorkman | mmontour: would it be possible for you to upload it to somewhere please? |
| 20:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: seems to me werner mentioned it here in this channel. there was a posting to a list as well? |
| 20:45.55 | Zorkman | yes, let me get the topic name |
| 20:46.26 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: on the openmoko kernel list: topic [PATCH] Forced shutdown for GTA02 |
| 20:47.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, Werner "officially" announced it. I guess he felt it's unfair to hide it anymore from independent kernel devs. |
| 20:47.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: or he just doesn't read NDA's :) |
| 20:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I don't think there's a particulr NDA about that |
| 20:49.30 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: too bad Andy left 10 days ago without any "transitional" period. It seems that now nobody knows how (and what for) to further maintain the kernel. |
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| 20:55.16 | bjdooks | ah, missed that |
| 20:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ack |
| 20:57.05 | vininim | can jalimo repository be added to shr? |
| 20:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | bjdooks: what's your recent status? with OM? |
| 20:57.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ok, let's not think about bad things this evening again. I'm going to watch a good movie soon; i hope you'll find some good way to spend the end of the WE too :) |
| 20:57.43 | Chocky | hmm, it's fluffy |
| 20:57.45 | bjdooks | mutter, nda, mutter... |
| 20:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
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| 20:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | did werner talk to you? |
| 20:58.30 | bjdooks | in private, so can't add anything more |
| 20:58.52 | PaulFertser | Looks like bjdooks was once bitten badly by some NDA. |
| 20:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | np :) |
| 20:59.17 | bjdooks | i |
| 20:59.31 | bjdooks | i just prefer to let the client make the info public |
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| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: getting me a couple of latte macchiato and brandy in my pub next by. think that's just good enough |
| 21:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: (using N810 & PAN) |
| 21:15.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yeah, enjoy :) |
| 21:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm about. Just some of the other guys here looking quite puzzled :D |
| 21:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly a geek pub here ;) |
| 21:34.24 | mmontour | Zorkman: http://www.mmontour.net/moko/uImage.bin and http://www.mmontour.net/moko/modules.tgz (just did a fresh build, haven't tested it so try at your own risk) |
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| 21:40.52 | Dave | :) |
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| 21:43.41 | balleyne | I just installed OM 2008.12 on my Freerunner a week ago, looking at the bugs dealing with the echo and 1267 says it's been resolved. I definitely still have the problem. Thoughts? |
| 21:45.59 | vininim | whoever managed to install gvsig on SHR should write on the wiki |
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| 21:49.06 | TeLLuS | balleyne: Do you lower the volume just a little when in a call? Otherwise you can still have a echo if the other end is loud.. |
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| 21:50.52 | balleyne | TeLLuS: I don't have an echo on my end, but anyone calling me gets a strong echo. Haven't tried lowering the volume at all -- should I? |
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| 21:51.58 | TeLLuS | balleyne: The most left setting is sound off, next to the right is the one I used the most.. YES you have to lower if the other end is loud, as I said. |
| 21:52.44 | balleyne | TeLLuS: ok, thanks, I'll give that a shot |
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| 21:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | TeLLuS: balleyne: nope, echo has to be fixed with AT%Nxxxx command to modem. Lowering volume isn't the solution |
| 21:57.18 | balleyne | DocScrutinizer: lowering volume just reduced it, didn't fix. How can I use the AT%Nxxxx command (or where can I find more information)? |
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| 21:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | search [hw], [devel] and [community] for "AT%N" or "echo" |
| 22:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | balleyne: it's "work in progress" as patches to fix echo issue been committed last four weeks or so |
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| 22:20.13 | nezza-_- | is there any step for step 'Hello World' tutorial for the FSO/SHR Toolchain? |
| 22:20.38 | Chocky | echo "Hello World" |
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| 22:23.16 | nezza-_- | Chocky: well.. that helped me a lot. now i can really echo Hello World to the console.. really great.. thank you very much |
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| 22:24.03 | nezza-_- | Chocky: this was a question because I was thinking about writing one.. not to get any useless answers. |
| 22:26.09 | mwester | openembedded has a document to do the hello world app in OE. |
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| 23:04.41 | Chocky | network not coming up unless USB was plugged in at power on. Is that a u-boot issue? |
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| 23:08.40 | Chocky | ew, buzzy |
| 23:12.42 | PaulFertser | balleyne: You need to use a modern supported distribution, not OM2008.x to get an echo-free operation. |
| 23:13.26 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the patch to FSO to finally fix the echo on all calls was committed in january, iirc. |
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| 23:15.32 | balleyne | PaulFertser: "modern supported" as in... devel version of OM 2009? or not OM? |
| 23:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: there was some patch in january. Anyway there are delays for other distris to catch up. and there seem to be constant tweaking as to get cmd issued after every call and modem-powerup |
| 23:18.07 | PaulFertser | balleyne: i can't say anything definite about OM2009, as it is tested primarily by Sushama (OM employee) and friends. I know that SHR testing (based on FSO) is used by many end-users and it includes the echo fix for sure. Also it works in all other distros using FSO (Debian and Gentoo). Recently some community-driven qtopia development took place (fixing echo too) but i'm not exactly sure it will last for long. |
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| 23:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: OM2009? |
| 23:21.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i think that's the future name for the images that Angus regurarly builds with paroli. |
| 23:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, maybe. |
| 23:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe never happens though |
| 23:22.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: at least that's how "the testing team" calls it. |
| 23:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | duh, need to have a closer look to ML occasionally ;-) |
| 23:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH I'm not sure it bothers me at all |
| 23:23.53 | PaulFertser | It was after my rant about weird entries on OM trac. |
| 23:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway nice to hear Sushama still at OM ;) |
| 23:24.32 | PaulFertser | I asked wtf is OM2009 and what are they talking about (something written by the testing team didn't make sense at all). |
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| 23:25.10 | PaulFertser | I'm not sure she(?) is still there, the last trac message was in February probably. |
| 23:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: testing team msgs seem to be google translated chinese more often than not |
| 23:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | she |
| 23:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | even sorta darkskinned girl. very unusual for TPE |
| 23:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | well honestly a lot of msgs from TPE seem to be google translated |
| 23:28.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: is it easy enough for Nicolas Dufresne to sign NDA to get jbt6k74 specs? I guess he's the most capable guy to finally fix lcm problems and he should have full specs (wtf they're closed anyway, that's not gsm or some other heavy proprieatry shit) for sure. |
| 23:28.46 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i mean it was easy some 3 months ago, do you think he has a chance to do it now? |
| 23:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | send me a mail |
| 23:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 23:29.54 | rwhitby | Is Andy still with Openmoko? |
| 23:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:30.23 | rwhitby | I figured as much from some of the email traffic. When did that happen? |
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| 23:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | 03.12 it seems |
| 23:31.09 | rwhitby | Is Openmoko going to employ mwester as a replacement? ;-) |
| 23:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | TPE remarkably quiet since 2009.03.12 |
| 23:31.34 | mwester | chokes on his coffee |
| 23:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: dunno ;D |
| 23:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | loool |
| 23:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | giggle |
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| 23:38.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sent him a letter (cc'd you). I think i forgot to write to him that if he will need to tweak userspace driver, it'd be better to concentrate on xorg, not kdrive. |
| 23:38.56 | PaulFertser | s/sent/i've just sent/ |
| 23:41.43 | bjdooks | wanted to get on with fixing the usb-gadget code, but i've managed to generatet usb traffic that crashes the bus analyser... awaiting analyser soft-fix to stop it going titsup |
| 23:42.37 | PaulFertser | Yeah, OM-the-company certainly needs/needed a community manager, a guy who knows what's going on in all the core projects (kernel, X, FSO, OE) on both the company and the community side and coordinates the efforts. |
| 23:44.35 | shellevil | Would they have the power of life and death though. |
| 23:44.35 | vininim | AH! gnome alarm clock stopped working! |
| 23:45.00 | vininim | Now I don't have any alarm clock, I just hope SHR one works! o_o |
| 23:48.24 | vininim | (will set a cron job as a backup) |
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