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| 04:05.36 | balrog-kun | what distro would everyone use for the Neo with main use case: recording gps traces? |
| 04:06.07 | balrog-kun | (i'll need a terminal also, with the ability to type into) |
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| 04:34.54 | |Marco| | I'll probably get shot down with a flak-cannon for this wuastion; is the 2007.2 image (or tar.gz preferably) accessable anywhere on the net? I'd like to jump back to it and fiddle arround a bit. I've got shr-testing, everything works. but I'd like to see what I can do with the old 2007.2 image |
| 04:39.32 | |Marco| | balrog-kun: if you're still online, i'd suggest shr-testing, it's stable enough for tracking, and the terminal emu that follows with pr default is just fine :) |
| 04:40.37 | Dave | Actually, yeah, I was going to say, I did just that, for months, with 2007.2 |
| 04:40.39 | Dave | Worked fine. |
| 04:41.05 | Dave | Granted it was slow, and unflattering in terms of appearance, but worked great for what we needed. |
| 04:44.10 | |Marco| | Dave: where can I get my fingers on a 2007.2 image? |
| 04:45.14 | Dave | I think OM burned them all due to copyright issues. |
| 04:45.24 | Dave | A few of us still have them though :) |
| 04:46.04 | |Marco| | yeah, that's what I am hoping fore :| |
| 04:46.07 | Dave | Since I do not believe any "sanitized" images were ever 'rereleased' |
| 04:46.15 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 04:46.17 | Dave | I know I have a bunch of random versions |
| 04:47.33 | |Marco| | um, could you put one or more of them in an accessable spot? |
| 04:48.15 | Dave | I'd first check some of the unofficial repos on the wiki page for repos and see if any live there |
| 04:48.23 | Dave | barring that I'm sure some of us could post them. |
| 04:48.41 | Dave | I know a few of us have thrown images up on our personal webservers from time to time. |
| 04:49.13 | |Marco| | that's what I was hoping for :) |
| 04:50.15 | |Marco| | I'm most intrested in an tar.gz version if that ever existed |
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| 05:08.10 | Dave | Marco, there's the .bin and .jffs2 files |
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| 05:15.00 | Dave | hah, Speaking of which... |
| 05:15.04 | Dave | Hello Cervajz :) |
| 05:15.34 | Cervajz | Dave: Hello, Dave :) |
| 05:15.54 | Dave | Do you still have that homeftp server up with OM images? |
| 05:16.25 | Cervajz | Dave: well, I have my own server (not in my home, but in server-housing] |
| 05:16.32 | Cervajz | But now without OM images |
| 05:16.44 | Dave | oh, okay |
| 05:16.51 | Cervajz | Dave: Cause, It's not nccessary for now :) |
| 05:16.57 | Dave | I just recall you having a few of the older OM images a while back |
| 05:17.02 | Dave | I guess you removed them ;) |
| 05:17.39 | Cervajz | Dave: I have still old images, but on my Desktop |
| 05:18.30 | Dave | Oh okay :D |
| 05:18.41 | Dave | We were looking for people who had some of the old images :) |
| 05:19.44 | Cervajz | Dave: What exactly images do you need< |
| 05:19.45 | Cervajz | ? |
| 05:20.04 | Dave | Uhh, any chance you have 2007? |
| 05:20.27 | Cervajz | Dave: I got it :) |
| 05:20.37 | Cervajz | 2007.2 |
| 05:20.53 | Dave | Yay! |
| 05:21.00 | Dave | |Marco| here was looking for it I believe |
| 05:21.11 | Dave | Would you be able to share with us? :) |
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| 05:22.29 | Cervajz | Dave: No problem, but now I'm abroad (bussiness trip), and I will go home after 15 days :( |
| 05:22.36 | Dave | Oh :\ |
| 05:22.38 | Dave | crap |
| 05:23.22 | Cervajz | Dave: Yes, and there is crap internet connection, so I can't copy it to server |
| 05:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | Cervajz: what's the exact name of the ffiles? |
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| 05:24.39 | Cervajz | DocScrutinizer: openmoko-celtune-monster-image-glibc-ipk--20080924-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:24.54 | Cervajz | DocScrutinizer: uImage-2.6.24+r8+gitr968c41d0c32099d78927849a71e2ef3143cc05e7-r8-om-gta02.bin |
| 05:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | thanx |
| 05:25.15 | Dave | I know I have a few myself, but they're in the lab, and I don't have my remote login handy |
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| 05:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | 20080924-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 hmmm |
| 05:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | sorry can't locate those files anywhere |
| 05:28.23 | Dave | I'll just host mine tomorrow. |
| 05:28.37 | Dave | I just hope it's not illegal for me to link them on the wiki :D |
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| 06:02.25 | Dave | Yo Marco, are you still here? |
| 06:04.02 | daMaestro | Yo Polo, nope not still here. |
| 06:04.12 | Dave | haha, shush Jon :P |
| 06:04.26 | Dave | crams a sandwich in DaMaestro's mouth |
| 06:04.41 | Dave | wins |
| 06:04.45 | Dave | FOODALITY! |
| 06:04.47 | daMaestro | yummy ftw |
| 06:05.06 | daMaestro | i do have to figure out dinner, but it's already 12am |
| 06:05.08 | daMaestro | blahrg |
| 06:05.40 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 06:08.57 | mwester | breakfast time then |
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| 06:19.37 | Dave | What's for breakfast, Wester? |
| 06:20.58 | mwester | at this time of morning, I'm told it is usually worms. |
| 06:21.17 | mwester | That's one of the reasons I don't get up early. |
| 06:22.29 | Dave | gross |
| 06:22.34 | Dave | heh |
| 06:22.43 | Dave | Early bird gets the worm, or in this case, the bugreport. |
| 06:22.45 | Dave | :) |
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| 06:28.14 | Blu3 | arggggg, this gprs is buggering me |
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| 06:43.31 | Blu3 | sweet, i got it working |
| 06:43.54 | Blu3 | now we just need a "gprs" in the topshelf |
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| 06:51.23 | Blu3 | hmm, not too bad. 5-6Kb/s |
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| 07:11.27 | Blu3 | ahh, sweet. echo N > /sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/brightness where N is 0-255 |
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| 07:31.57 | Dave | pokes |Marco| |
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| 08:29.52 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i guess you need to start frameworkd from command line (to see its output) and to look carefully through frameworkd log for any oddities. If it looks like everything is correct (audio states loading, no tracebacks, etc), you can probably have more success with another model of bt headset. |
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| 09:22.11 | PaulFertser | Hey, anybody here knows anything about fyp "distro"? What are they trying to do and why? |
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| 09:48.33 | Linkas | hi, is here anybody who have lxde and debian? no fyp |
| 09:48.55 | Linkas | on fr of course |
| 09:49.26 | henk | Linkas: you might want to ask that in #openmoko-debian |
| 09:49.45 | Linkas | henk: good idea |
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| 12:30.33 | |Marco| | Dave: now I am |
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| 12:51.29 | |Marco| | hm, I'd like to modifye the shr illume theme just a little, how on earth do I get to the non compiled files ? |
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| 13:28.55 | animist | Hi all |
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| 13:31.12 | GovCon | ohai animist |
| 13:31.26 | animist | I have a question about FreeRunner purchase in Munich. I would like to buy it and pay cash. Could anyone recommend me a store? |
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| 14:18.05 | Dave | Marco :P |
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| 14:26.30 | dent | hi |
| 14:26.34 | Dave | dent :P |
| 14:26.42 | dent | Dave! |
| 14:26.49 | dent | :) |
| 14:26.58 | dent | I'm trying to use my FR as mass storage |
| 14:27.03 | |Marco| | pokes Dave |
| 14:27.04 | dent | following the wiki |
| 14:27.06 | |Marco| | mooohahaha |
| 14:28.05 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:28.15 | Dave | Yes, it's me! |
| 14:28.21 | |Marco| | eeeek |
| 14:28.35 | Dave | So Marco, I found an old version of 2007 last night |
| 14:28.46 | |Marco| | ooh? where ? |
| 14:29.00 | Dave | Uhh on one of my home computers :P |
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| 14:29.10 | |Marco| | Dave: :P |
| 14:29.20 | Dave | Would you like it? |
| 14:30.10 | dent | I modprobe g_file_storage, but on PC I get: http://zub.lamer.la/dmesg.log |
| 14:30.29 | dent | i.e. it eects something, but... then chokes somehow, as I dont get/dev/sdb |
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| 14:30.58 | dent | does mass storage work for anyone here? |
| 14:32.19 | |Marco| | Dave: yeah, do you have jffs2 and/or tar.gz ? |
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| 14:35.24 | Dave | yeah one sec |
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| 14:58.34 | Dave | Sorry Marco, was cleaning up one of my servers :P |
| 14:58.44 | CVirus | DAVE ! |
| 14:59.04 | CVirus | Dave: don't you have a tab key |
| 14:59.05 | CVirus | ? |
| 14:59.05 | CVirus | lol |
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| 14:59.33 | Dave | NoTab4U! |
| 14:59.38 | Dave | Virus Virus Virus |
| 14:59.47 | CVirus | lol |
| 15:00.56 | Dave | Man, I totally need to lay off the mushrooms and/or badgers. |
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| 15:05.32 | raster | hands dave some weeds instead |
| 15:06.36 | Dave | -oy- |
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| 15:07.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders how to advertise his free freerunner buzz rework, with free health plan. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103102840187268825196.0004538c812787823283d&ll=56.216987,-3.11221&spn=0.000828,0.002154&t=h&z=19 Move 20 tons of gravel onto the shaded red areas (I provide the gravel) and I spend half an hour inside doing soldering. |
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| 15:09.18 | Dave | hah |
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| 15:11.08 | husku | SpeedEvil: :DD |
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| 15:44.33 | slaxxin | wheres the good stuff |
| 15:44.34 | |Marco| | what the *bleep* is "Invalid Magic" suposed to mean ? |
| 15:45.00 | slaxxin | bad magic |
| 15:45.22 | slaxxin | quite the error message isnt it |
| 15:45.36 | |Marco| | yeah, reeeeally informative |
| 15:45.59 | slaxxin | it part of the overall problem here |
| 15:46.32 | raster | magic... number |
| 15:46.58 | raster | ie "the special number/pattern that denotes somethnig is what it claims to be or is being used for is right" |
| 15:47.19 | raster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming) |
| 15:48.38 | leinir | Mmm... Magic numbers... |
| 15:48.43 | leinir | The bane of all game programming ;) |
| 15:51.24 | Bane^ | nice highlight there |
| 15:51.42 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Heh. "Break your back, have your neo fixed" o_O |
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| 16:01.18 | mwester | |Marco|: context? |
| 16:02.31 | Dave | retracile :o |
| 16:02.47 | retracile | Hey Dave :) |
| 16:03.17 | Dave | Greetings :) |
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| 16:11.05 | |Marco| | mwester: trying to install a few packages from opkg.org |
| 16:11.19 | Dave | Good luck! :D |
| 16:11.53 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 16:12.24 | |Marco| | most go well, but there are some that spout "Terminated, Invalid Magic" and so on.. |
| 16:12.42 | Dave | weird |
| 16:12.48 | Dave | bad juju? |
| 16:12.53 | |Marco| | juju ? |
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| 16:16.18 | mmontour | dent: (mass storage) try adding a "stall=0" module parameter. I need this for it to work properly on my system |
| 16:17.34 | Dave | Oh, did you ever get that working last night? :D |
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| 16:26.31 | mmontour | I've updated the wiki. Dave, I got usb-storage mostly working last week except that I wasn't able to package it as an initramfs |
| 16:27.39 | SpeedEvil | boot off USBfs? |
| 16:28.07 | mmontour | Export the FR's microSD card to a PC as a USB storage device |
| 16:28.23 | SpeedEvil | why initramfs matter? |
| 16:29.58 | mmontour | It's not necessary, just cleaner packaging. Right now I have a kernel + minimal rootfs that I flash to NAND. It would be simpler if I could have just one file of kernel + appended initramfs |
| 16:30.32 | Dave | awesome! |
| 16:30.42 | Dave | Thanks for the update mmontour, it definitely needed it. |
| 16:30.51 | Dave | I'm going to go look it over myself now |
| 16:31.04 | mmontour | Werner was doing something similar (look at "smallsys" under his directory in OM SVN) but I couldn't get it to work right for me |
| 16:31.54 | mmontour | Dave: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005135.html |
| 16:31.58 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 16:32.12 | Dave | Ah! Danke |
| 16:33.10 | mmontour | The other thing I changed on the wiki page was exporting the whole mmcblk0 device rather than just mmcblk0p1. This allows you to repartition the uSD card from the PC |
| 16:33.49 | mmontour | So now I never need to open the uSD holder in my FR again, until I install a 16G card |
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| 16:35.46 | Dave | haha nice |
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| 16:35.56 | Dave | yeah, I was always faced with that unfavorable prospect |
| 16:38.23 | tomboy64 | could someone give me a quick output of your dmesg when you plug a usb-cable into your fr? |
| 16:38.28 | tomboy64 | dmesg on the fr, that is |
| 16:38.44 | SpeedEvil | A cable alone won't do anything |
| 16:38.59 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 16:39.00 | tomboy64 | i know |
| 16:39.09 | tomboy64 | well it will |
| 16:39.21 | tomboy64 | the kernel will register the cdc-device |
| 16:39.37 | tomboy64 | but i need the exact output what is needed for networking |
| 16:39.50 | tomboy64 | cause i have usbnet and g_ether both compiled in |
| 16:39.55 | tomboy64 | and it won't work |
| 16:40.28 | Dave | Mmontour, yeah, and it always use to piss me off that I even after I removed the µSD card, transferred what I needed and then replaced it, it would't remount. What a pain those days were... |
| 16:40.31 | tomboy64 | i only get g_ether gagdget: full speed config #1: cdc ethernet ecm |
| 16:40.32 | Dave | but no more! :D |
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| 16:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: (16GB) how long will we have to wait until that'll going to happen? |
| 16:47.56 | Dave | :)) |
| 16:49.02 | mmontour | Until the local price drops a bit more, or I fill up my 8G, whichever comes first |
| 16:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: I'll toss you some cool download links then ;-) |
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| 16:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't lucky to find any 16-uSD in any local store |
| 16:51.06 | Dave | aw |
| 16:51.31 | mmontour | Hmm, there's a 16G for CAD$65 now. Last time I looked there was only a $95 one |
| 16:51.43 | Dave | ouch :p |
| 16:51.50 | Dave | I'm glad I didn't have to pay for mine ;) |
| 16:52.27 | mmontour | Only class 2 though. |
| 16:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 16:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | seems to remember some research regarding uSD-class impact on transfer speed on FR. Wasn't glamo bus maxed out at class2 speed even? |
| 16:54.48 | mwester | thinks DocScrutinizer is exactly right |
| 16:54.58 | mmontour | (just re-running my benchmark...) |
| 16:55.03 | mwester | 16MHz max transfer rate with Glamo |
| 16:55.22 | mwester | 2 MHz (!) max if the GPS is turned on!!! |
| 16:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:55.48 | mmontour | On a 16MiB file I get 1.6 MiB writing, 2.4 MiB/s reading |
| 16:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: no 10pF next uSD-holder ?? |
| 16:57.59 | Dave | haha |
| 16:58.12 | Dave | bigger cap! |
| 16:58.15 | Dave | ;D |
| 16:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: wtf?? |
| 16:59.00 | Dave | What? :P |
| 16:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | pictures Dave soldering a 100uF to sdclk |
| 17:00.27 | mmontour | Basically the same speeds for a 256MiB file - 1.7 write, 2.3 read |
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| 17:02.14 | mmontour | So I guess the question is whether a "class 2" will be any slower during the time that it's actually talking to the glamo, or whether it just means that it's taking more time internally to process the writes |
| 17:04.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: it's a kernel parameter turned on by default. Slow down clock if gps is on. |
| 17:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I know ;) Thought it's possible to turn off if you got the 10pF-hw-gps-fix |
| 17:06.10 | Dave | I tried a 20pF cap |
| 17:06.12 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: for some unknown reason nobody's tried it (or reported). |
| 17:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 17:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: still I'm not aware of reducing *speed* for sdclk for gps' sake. wasn't that just tweaking drivepower and stopping clk al together when idle only? |
| 17:10.19 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: driver source says otherwise, so does mwester :) |
| 17:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: might work. though I seem to remember it's not as effective as a 10pF |
| 17:11.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: glamo_mci.sd_slow_ratio=8 |
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| 17:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | is puzzled |
| 17:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | even thinks reducing sdclk speed doesn't help much for gps. might actually be worse in the end, as transfer duration increases while noise is reduced 9dB *max* (if at all as edge shape remains the same) |
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| 17:20.37 | mwester | 9dB is significant |
| 17:20.45 | mwester | But your point is taken. |
| 17:21.24 | SpeedEvil | also - if the cock is just right, the output spectrum may miss GPS entirely. |
| 17:21.35 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it can be set that accurately though |
| 17:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | as clk should be stopped during sd idle, increasing time where clk is active during transfer may be a bad idea. and tweaking drivepower sure is more effective than reducing number of edges on clk per sec |
| 17:21.43 | mwester | Probably with the glamo, decreasing drive power to the sdclk, and slowing the clock to compensate for the reduced sharpness of the edge, would be a better solution |
| 17:21.47 | PaulFertser | Commit c3a78e6ea03689bc097ed449c9ae2597d94f3277, Andy Green Wed Nov 19, use-gta02-glamo-mci-sd-dynamic-clock.patch |
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| 17:22.42 | PaulFertser | mwester: But it only slows down the clock when gps is powered on. The drive strength remains the same all the time. |
| 17:22.51 | mwester | Someone with proper RF test gear would be able to sort this better than we can just by guessing. |
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| 17:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: the point is: shape of edge stays the same regardless of clk freq. |
| 17:23.39 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: if that is the case, then we should be reducing drive power until the edge just starts to deform -- else we are just needlessing generating RFI. |
| 17:24.04 | SpeedEvil | The SD clock comes from a divisor off the CPU clock? |
| 17:24.14 | mwester | Yes, basically. |
| 17:24.27 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember the original clock |
| 17:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | so if there's a burst generated at gps freq on each edge... |
| 17:24.46 | PaulFertser | mwester: it can also depend on a particular card :( |
| 17:24.51 | mwester | It's a crappy divisor, so we do not have a fine granularity. It's even worse on the GTA01 -- one cannot get the full 25MHz clock at all. |
| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | tuning sdclk freq wont help much |
| 17:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Oh - it's a divide by 2^n IIRC, it can't be set to arbitrary divisors |
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| 17:25.40 | SpeedEvil | doc|work: if you set it - in principle - so that the noise from hte SD completely misses the GPS spectrum (and any IF), ... |
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| 17:26.46 | SpeedEvil | Though I note that GTA01 gets ~3Mbytes/sec read and write |
| 17:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I highly doubt you can tune the spectrum of RFI on gps freq by tweaking sdclk freq |
| 17:27.44 | SpeedEvil | doc|work: yeah - too many multiples on reflection. |
| 17:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you see, it's harmonics of the single edge at sdclk |
| 17:27.55 | mwester | I would add that we don't really know what happens inside the sd card either, with the clock. |
| 17:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: basically every edge at sdclk causes a burst at gps freq |
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| 17:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so tweaking sdfreq causes less freqent bursts, still each burst is same level as before |
| 17:30.34 | mwester | So adding the cap is half of the solution -- we're missing the R that would create the necessary filter and we can only simulate that hardware R by playing with the drive power (and sdclock has nothing whatever to do with the result, as it is a square wave being fed in, in essence) |
| 17:30.36 | SpeedEvil | If it's only the clock - in principle it might be possible. It's the data too though. - probably. |
| 17:31.01 | SpeedEvil | Noise from a squarewave is not spread completely over the spectrum. |
| 17:31.33 | SpeedEvil | It's only at certain harmonics of the signal. However, add data modulation into this, and it spreads the spectrum. |
| 17:31.41 | SpeedEvil | so it's probably impossible. |
| 17:32.00 | SpeedEvil | Especially given the almost nonexistant tuning that can be done. |
| 17:32.42 | mwester | Too many variables. and we would need RF gear that we probably lack (spectrum analyzers, etc). And even then, the results would probably vary based on the characteristcs of the uSD card itself. |
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| 17:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the spectrum of a MHz square at GHz harmonics is only faintly related to the square freq. It's shape of edge that matters |
| 17:33.28 | SpeedEvil | Talking of in principles, not reality. Reality may differ - the clock will not be quite a squarewave, jitter and stuff all make it worse. |
| 17:33.47 | mwester | But I think we CAN ask the community to do some tests with that clock slow-down -- if we get enough feedback, we can prove (possibly) that there is no correlation, and that would get rid of that bit. |
| 17:34.03 | SpeedEvil | shape of the edge matters - however absenting jitter, the spectrum will still be spread at harmonics. |
| 17:34.18 | SpeedEvil | (for a constant clock) |
| 17:35.08 | SpeedEvil | The data lines make this irrelevant largely though. |
| 17:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jeah in theory. on each multiple of base freq ;D, so 2MHz might be even much worse than 16 |
| 17:35.48 | SpeedEvil | And of course, all this assumes that the GPS is really objecting to interference in the GPS spectrum. |
| 17:35.57 | SpeedEvil | And not baseband that's getting through a filter somewhere. |
| 17:36.24 | SpeedEvil | anyone tested two FRs on top of each other? |
| 17:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hey, *good* point :) |
| 17:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | (intermediate freq) |
| 17:37.18 | mwester | SpeedEvil: this is _not_ that sort of channel! (there may be children here!) |
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| 17:37.33 | mwester | :P |
| 17:37.42 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I diddn't even say anything about the vibrators during the test. |
| 17:38.07 | mwester | heh - speaking of those -- there's a source of RFI. |
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| 17:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 17:39.09 | mwester | remove it! |
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| 17:40.02 | SpeedEvil | Only when on - though I expect you knew that |
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| 17:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (mixdown freq interference) tink we can rule that out as external gpsant is reported to work reliably |
| 17:41.05 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:41.06 | SpeedEvil | well |
| 17:41.16 | SpeedEvil | external ant is also amplified? |
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| 17:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah. same as internal is |
| 17:42.08 | SpeedEvil | wonders about noise getting to the amp. |
| 17:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | of internal ant? |
| 17:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 17:42.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:42.37 | SpeedEvil | on the PSU |
| 17:42.53 | SpeedEvil | sounds unlikely. |
| 17:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | starting his "day" ;D |
| 17:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 17:44.26 | SpeedEvil | wave. |
| 17:44.31 | SpeedEvil | Hope it's good. |
| 17:44.40 | mirko-paroli | likes waving so joins the effort |
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| 17:55.12 | holeinreality | if I get a text, the number starts with a 1, but if I get a call it doesn't, so if I have a contact with a number, either texts show as from them and calls don't or vice versa |
| 17:55.30 | holeinreality | is there any way around this other than saving two numbers to the contact |
| 17:57.03 | PaulFertser | holeinreality: what sms/phone app do you use? |
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| 17:57.28 | holeinreality | PaulFertser: the default Om2008.12 ones |
| 17:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | bug |
| 17:59.17 | PaulFertser | holeinreality: nobody cares about it anymore |
| 17:59.32 | Q-Master | 8) |
| 17:59.37 | PaulFertser | (a bit over-simplified, but almost true) |
| 17:59.45 | Q-Master | cares yet. 8)) |
| 17:59.48 | holeinreality | haha alright |
| 18:00.06 | Q-Master | while using om2008.12 |
| 18:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | points to IETF standard number conventions and ponders about the missing leading "+" to indicate "1" is probably meant to be "US" |
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| 18:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | areaprefix="0"; countryprefix="00"; countrycode="1"; s/($countryprefix)(.*)/+\2/; s/($areaprefix)(.*)/+($countrycode)\2/ |
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| 18:26.24 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, I bought this headset because it was very very cheap. :P |
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| 18:26.50 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't doubt that I would have more luck with a decent one, but I'm just not going to pay for it now. |
| 18:26.54 | Digital_Pioneer | I will someday. :D |
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| 18:27.54 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: you can borrow it. The headset i borrowed from my friend is the cheapest one and it works with my laptop but i hear no sound (the only problem) trying to use it with freerunner. |
| 18:28.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah... |
| 18:29.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Perhaps the FR is sending the wrong format of audio or something? I have no idea, I'm just guessing. |
| 18:29.21 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: then i borrowed another more advanced headset at work for 15 minutes and instantly got sound with FR. |
| 18:29.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm. |
| 18:29.32 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: does it sound like a wrong format? |
| 18:29.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, it's sending data, but all I get is crackling. Sounds like wrong something. |
| 18:30.03 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: but my test involved sending audio via USB hci (not A2DP, plain SCO!), so no GSM experience here. |
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| 18:53.36 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I really don't know what A2DP and SCO mean... Just tha they have to do with ways of sending data (audio?) over bluetooth. |
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| 19:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: A2DP is for HiFi stereo. SCO is a generic headset profile |
| 19:00.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh. |
| 19:00.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Well most likely my stupid cheap thing doesn't support A2DP. |
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| 19:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | both are so called "bluetooth profiles" being negotiated between bt host and bt device |
| 19:01.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh, BRB, my video is being an idiot. Curse nvidia. |
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| 19:04.15 | Digital_Pioneer | returns. |
| 19:06.01 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: So is there any way it could be using the wrong one? |
| 19:06.12 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: no |
| 19:06.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh. |
| 19:07.15 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: when bluez establishes a connection, it uses the profile you ask it to use. FSO uses Play() method and that's SCO. |
| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: duh, why not? my klo-fisch and sony bt headset yesterday gave me mp3 playback via sco. sounded terrible |
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| 19:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, ok then |
| 19:08.06 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i mean that the difference between your test and my is that i sent SCO via USB interface of bluetooth chip, while for GSM we are sending PCM data over dedicated sound lines directly. |
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| 19:08.46 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's basically what i tried. Streamed decoded mp3 to the headset via SCO. Sounds like AM radio :) |
| 19:09.01 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, so the moral of the story is we have no idea why it's not making intelligible sound or how to fix it? :P |
| 19:09.12 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: exactly. |
| 19:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe it's worth trying exactly that for dig_pio |
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| 19:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | to sort out PCM coding trouble in wolfson |
| 19:10.02 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: via USB? I have a hacked binary to switch between SCO over USB and SCO over PCM. |
| 19:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: still I'm not convinced each dirtcheap hs is handling profile negotiation correctly |
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| 19:11.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: this commit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=78afda41f7f35ee381cde804ef7c4737ee09687a should take care of setting up wolfson properly |
| 19:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | should... 8-S |
| 19:12.04 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm too, as my own headset doesn't produce any sound (except ambient amp noise) at all :) |
| 19:12.23 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: while it works with exactly the same bluez4 version and my laptop. |
| 19:12.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Well if it's probable that this could be fixed fairly easily, I'll be happy to do whatever I can, otherwise I could probably find a relatively decent headset instead. |
| 19:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | is there a way to get logs of BT protocol layer? |
| 19:13.00 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, hcidump does that. |
| 19:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, and there weren't any diffs, right? |
| 19:13.34 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: can you try to prepare some script so if you borrow another headset temporarily, you can try it fast enough, like in 10 minutes. |
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| 19:14.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Do I really need a script? It's just three commands, isn't it? simple-agent, and two mdbus's? |
| 19:14.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: there were some slight differences, but i couldn't make anything out of it. Showed the non-working logs to bluez guys but they said it looks all right and i should have the sound. |
| 19:14.50 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: yes. Just it's not convenient to enter them if you don't have a real keyboard. |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | yup, thats what I seem to recall |
| 19:15.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i even tried to use kernel bluetooth stack from their branch, but the result was the same. After that i lost motivation enough to stop thinking about it. |
| 19:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: CC me if you set up any script/howto, so I can do some tests here with sony HBH |
| 19:17.24 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: can you add the information about how to setup bluetooth from an end-user POV to some wiki page? I know it's a bit too much to ask given you didn't succeed, but still? ;) |
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| 19:17.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: what userspace do you use? |
| 19:17.57 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I can try. :) |
| 19:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | which one should I use? |
| 19:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | actually fso-console |
| 19:19.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i guess shr-unstable, and then update/upgrade. Digital_Pioneer can provide you with more detailed instructions :) |
| 19:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | and 2007.2 ;) |
| 19:19.33 | PaulFertser | I have that too on flash :) |
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| 19:42.11 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Hmm, something just occurred to me. |
| 19:42.28 | Digital_Pioneer | My rules.yaml file must be screwed up... |
| 19:42.45 | Digital_Pioneer | It wouldn't switch back to the correct statefile when I disabled bluetooth headset. |
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| 19:57.17 | Dave | Selig, around? |
| 19:57.22 | Dave | also... LEINIR |
| 19:57.35 | leinir | Meep! |
| 19:57.38 | leinir | Yes Sir? :) |
| 19:59.24 | SeligArkin | Yes, Dave? |
| 20:01.23 | Dave | Leinir, bow in humble account! |
| 20:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | dave missing his bats to raport |
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| 20:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | wondering which other kinky kinds of troups dave sports |
| 20:04.43 | mwester | thinks that what Dave does in the privy of his own home should stay there. :P |
| 20:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | the bat army decided to move nevertheless ;-) |
| 20:05.59 | Dave | ;) |
| 20:06.06 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:07.14 | Derick | heh, every tech channel seems to turn into the same discussions :P |
| 20:08.10 | leinir | curtsies deep to Dave :) |
| 20:08.18 | Dave | That's more like it ;) |
| 20:08.27 | Derick | I've said too much already :P |
| 20:08.35 | SpeedEvil | Bat army Go! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29754578/ |
| 20:08.52 | Dave | Derick, blijkbaar :P |
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| 20:09.06 | Derick | Dave: I don't live in .nl |
| 20:09.14 | Dave | How disappointing :P |
| 20:09.22 | Derick | nah, place is too boring |
| 20:09.25 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
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| 20:09.52 | Dave | sandwiches damaestro |
| 20:10.17 | daMaestro | Dave, i am at the cafe, might have to get a sandwich |
| 20:10.20 | Derick | not that norway is any better :P |
| 20:10.24 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:10.30 | Dave | Derick, snakker? :o |
| 20:10.39 | Derick | yeah, I speak norwegian too |
| 20:10.42 | Dave | :D |
| 20:11.08 | Dave | hvordan går det? |
| 20:11.14 | Derick | bare bra |
| 20:11.19 | Dave | ja... ja |
| 20:11.24 | Derick | :) |
| 20:11.35 | Dave | du er kul :p |
| 20:11.51 | Derick | now that I've atleast one person's attention... any idea why there is no libdbus-dev package anymore (in FSO or SHR)? |
| 20:11.54 | Derick | kul? |
| 20:11.57 | Derick | hehe |
| 20:12.00 | Dave | sicu, jævla hæstkuk... er du her!? |
| 20:12.15 | Derick | that's nynorsk though, not bokmål |
| 20:14.35 | Dave | yeah, fucking sweds :p |
| 20:14.43 | Derick | hmm |
| 20:14.48 | Derick | no, two language in norway... |
| 20:15.04 | Dave | I know |
| 20:15.05 | Derick | well, three, if you count sami |
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| 20:15.48 | mirko-paroli | Dave: that was not very nice ;) |
| 20:15.57 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: use the one from the sources then |
| 20:16.07 | Dave | hey, it's sicu, I don't have to be :D |
| 20:16.20 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Is it fixed for bluetooth? |
| 20:16.29 | mirko-paroli | I meant the comments about the swedish, or is sicu swedish ? |
| 20:16.58 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i guess it should work |
| 20:17.38 | Derick | mirko-paroli: afaik, "sicu" is not swedish |
| 20:18.09 | mirko-paroli | thougth so, why would Dave have adressed him/her in nynorsk then ... |
| 20:18.11 | Digital_Pioneer | Mmph, I'll just put on the one you gave me and let you edit it if you see something wrong with it. I know nothing of YAML... Heheh |
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| 20:18.31 | Derick | oh, heh.. hadn't seen that was a nick :) |
| 20:18.35 | Derick | ah well |
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| 20:19.16 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: let me give you the link then |
| 20:19.36 | Dave | NORSK |
| 20:20.18 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob_plain;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;hb=HEAD |
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| 20:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | inuktitut |
| 20:21.42 | Dave | YAML x_x |
| 20:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it's been a volunteer, and transmissions were rather good |
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| 20:24.36 | Inc_Vega1 | cool it works) |
| 20:25.01 | Inc_Vega1 | SHR is cool |
| 20:25.04 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Yeah, that's what I've got. |
| 20:25.37 | Inc_Vega1 | gprs is works as well |
| 20:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually it's been a longterm project of bat rmy HQ |
| 20:28.35 | Inc_Vega1 | who use SHR? |
| 20:28.59 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: btw, can you try to load gsmbluetooth file manually during the call? |
| 20:30.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I can, hold on, let me finish this wiki edit... |
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| 20:35.22 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner <-- There it is... |
| 20:35.33 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: thanks a lot! :) |
| 20:35.57 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, reconfiguring my phone to use bluetooth again... |
| 20:39.04 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i'm not sure "true" and "false" are correct arguments. Probably 1 and 0 could work better, but i don't know. |
| 20:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | which context? |
| 20:40.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: supplying function arguments using mdbus |
| 20:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | aah, no idea here |
| 20:42.10 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Yeah, they both seemed to work and not work equally. |
| 20:42.31 | PaulFertser | I suspect it can cast "false" to a string and then to a boolean which results in true. |
| 20:42.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Changed 'em. |
| 20:43.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmmm, that would make things different... |
| 20:43.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, no, I tried to disable it with both. |
| 20:44.00 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: during the incoming call? |
| 20:44.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. |
| 20:44.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Not yet. |
| 20:44.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Although I'm testing with outgoing calls. |
| 20:45.04 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i guess it shouldn't be called during the calls. |
| 20:45.27 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: do you have a special number you can call to check balance free? ;) |
| 20:45.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup. 611 |
| 20:45.38 | Digital_Pioneer | :D |
| 20:48.00 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: OK, I switched back to gsmhandset during the call, and it worked. |
| 20:48.35 | PaulFertser | Guys, Q-master is using cp1251, it's a windows-specific encoding. Spank him when you see him next time ;) |
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| 20:49.05 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: and switching to gsmbluetooth still produces only crackling sound, i assume... |
| 20:49.20 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: not encouraging. But still. I hope you'll be able to borrow some other headset to try. |
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| 20:50.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it does. |
| 20:50.42 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i guess you saw the link to the directions Digital_Pioneer prepared? |
| 20:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | might have a look to backlog |
| 20:51.10 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner |
| 20:51.17 | Dave | Selig, what's doing? |
| 20:51.24 | PaulFertser | (more advertising won't hurt :) ) |
| 20:53.07 | Dave | So long as it's not FALSE advertizing... |
| 20:53.18 | Dave | I think we've all been down -this- road with openmoko before ;) |
| 20:53.20 | SeligArkin | Dave: I am playing a game while filtering wikipedia |
| 20:53.23 | PaulFertser | Dave: why don't you try it yourself? |
| 20:53.52 | Dave | MAYBE I WILL |
| 20:54.01 | PaulFertser | Oh man you scare me |
| 20:54.06 | PaulFertser | Better don't |
| 20:54.09 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 20:54.30 | Dave | reattaches the wires in his freerunner, and closes it back up, ready to hit the power switch |
| 20:55.06 | PaulFertser | OMG it will blow! |
| 20:55.31 | PaulFertser | Dave's freerunners reached the critical mass! |
| 20:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | runs for shelter |
| 20:56.11 | PaulFertser | Oh, my bad jokes again. At least _I_ have fun. |
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| 20:56.43 | Dave | :D |
| 20:56.53 | Dave | Paul, I still enjoy your humor, from time to time :) |
| 20:56.58 | Dave | Joerg, a wise precaution :) |
| 20:57.20 | PaulFertser | Dave: i still enjoy your flirt with Selig |
| 20:57.37 | Dave | o.O |
| 20:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:58.52 | Zorkman_ | hehe |
| 20:59.06 | Zorkman_ | hi everyone and daves mokos :) |
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| 21:02.23 | Dave | :) |
| 21:02.26 | Dave | hei zorkman |
| 21:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | hi zorki |
| 21:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: STOP THAT! |
| 21:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: why are you screwing up my TV? |
| 21:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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| 21:22.16 | Zorkman_ | hehe |
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| 21:22.55 | Zorkman_ | with the amount of FR dave has he most likely can cause enough EMinterference it classifies as a pulsebomb |
| 21:24.39 | PaulFertser | Hehehe, FCE is already after him. |
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| 21:56.03 | Dave | :D |
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| 21:58.46 | sicu | norsk! |
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| 23:08.32 | SeligArkin | with frameworkd is there any way to get the caller id status of an incoming call? |
| 23:08.40 | SeligArkin | or can you only get the number |
| 23:13.46 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: is CID supported on GSM even? |
| 23:13.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:13.55 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:14.37 | SeligArkin | I have noclue, it worked for my old phone, but then it may have opene a connection to a third party to get the info |
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| 23:17.57 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: do you mean operator supplied you with the name of the calling party? |
| 23:18.41 | SeligArkin | PaulFertser: I mean when someone called, it showed the name of the caller on the screen with the number, even if the number wass not in my contacts |
| 23:19.07 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: where are you supposed to get that name, from cell operator? |
| 23:19.09 | SeligArkin | unless I am rememberint wrong, which is very possible |
| 23:19.20 | SeligArkin | PaulFertser: I have no clue |
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| 23:24.49 | jucs1 | Hey Dave ;-) |
| 23:25.09 | Serdar | did yomeone got compiled the qt-extended improved? |
| 23:27.33 | Dave | jucs!! :D |
| 23:28.11 | Dave | Selig: If we were to hold a US FSOSHRUDCON type of event in the area, would you attend? |
| 23:28.54 | jucs1 | :-) |
| 23:29.01 | Dave | How are you jucs? |
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| 23:29.13 | jucs1 | I'm fine, and what about you? |
| 23:29.31 | Dave | I've missed your comradery. |
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| 23:29.49 | Dave | Let's just say, I'm doing a whole lot better than Openmoko is at the moment ;) |
| 23:30.01 | jucs1 | ;-) Yes, I know, I should come here more often |
| 23:30.10 | awwaiid | huh. I just noticed that I have no gps thing in the /sys directory for my echo 1 > to be going to. |
| 23:30.26 | jucs1 | I didn't attend for some time - what's wrong with project? |
| 23:30.32 | jucs1 | the* |
| 23:32.13 | Dave | Hell yeah, it's a party! |
| 23:32.20 | Dave | oh, OM is crapping out |
| 23:32.24 | Dave | but don't tell anyone I said so :D |
| 23:32.35 | Dave | SHR is still moving along, and such :) |
| 23:33.31 | jucs1 | hmm... |
| 23:33.45 | jucs1 | Hopefully it'll be better soon... |
| 23:35.00 | jucs1 | As it's the only light in that market - everyone else tries to do the closest platform on earth... |
| 23:36.25 | SeligArkin | Dave: maybe, why do you ask? |
| 23:36.43 | Dave | Because it's coming |
| 23:36.56 | SeligArkin | to the philly area? |
| 23:37.00 | Dave | jucs, yeah |
| 23:37.04 | Dave | Selig, NYC likely |
| 23:37.10 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 23:37.10 | Dave | if I had any say in it :) |
| 23:37.18 | Dave | man, you're close enough, don't bitch :P |
| 23:37.25 | SeligArkin | would have to convince my parents to drive me up there. :P |
| 23:37.30 | Dave | pfft |
| 23:37.31 | jucs1 | :-D |
| 23:37.39 | SeligArkin | bit too far for my bike. |
| 23:37.41 | Dave | Take the train? |
| 23:37.46 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 23:38.48 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 23:38.57 | SeligArkin | When is it? |
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| 23:44.06 | Dave | Selig, check the shr wiki |
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