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| 00:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | who killed bamby ;-) |
| 00:16.03 | SeligArkin | ANTEIQUES!? THEIR ROLL OVER MINUTES! |
| 00:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: capslock? :D |
| 00:18.33 | SeligArkin | Was ment to indicate shouting |
| 00:23.15 | SeligArkin | that and I have capslock binded to be ctrl |
| 00:42.52 | nezza-_- | which library would you recommend for storing application configuration? is there anything 'ready to eat' or should i just write my self? :-) |
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| 00:57.47 | SeligArkin | pokes |
| 00:57.54 | SeligArkin | I check $PATH |
| 00:57.56 | rooly | well you shouldn't |
| 00:57.57 | SeligArkin | doh! |
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| 00:59.38 | Dave | GREETINGS FRIENDS. |
| 00:59.45 | rooly | DAVE!!! |
| 00:59.52 | raster | doov |
| 00:59.54 | raster | rools |
| 00:59.57 | raster | pants |
| 00:59.58 | raster | on |
| 01:00.14 | SeligArkin | Dave! |
| 01:00.29 | SeligArkin | steals dave's pants and hides them in raster's free runner |
| 01:00.40 | rooly | sighs |
| 01:00.45 | raster | ewww |
| 01:00.49 | rooly | but i wanna take my pants off |
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| 01:01.08 | raster | rooly: got underpants? |
| 01:01.13 | rooly | possibly |
| 01:01.25 | raster | anderpants are required for pants-off action |
| 01:01.27 | raster | err |
| 01:01.28 | raster | under |
| 01:02.17 | rooly | ... |
| 01:02.18 | rooly | damn |
| 01:02.33 | mwester | Children, children! NO pants off, until the E-consumes-CPU-while-idle bug is fixed. Now, off to work! |
| 01:03.08 | rooly | really? it does? |
| 01:03.13 | SeligArkin | puts a censor bar over rooly then steals his pants too |
| 01:03.14 | rooly | i should so totally look into that |
| 01:03.20 | rooly | dodges like neo |
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| 01:06.12 | raster | i have a suspicion it may have to do with the "loading files" status display in efm somehow |
| 01:06.21 | raster | ie thats still animating in the background |
| 01:06.25 | raster | no matter what |
| 01:06.27 | raster | it never stops |
| 01:07.03 | rooly | raster, question |
| 01:07.19 | rooly | why does the task-bar mixer crash e? |
| 01:07.24 | rooly | in fso i mean |
| 01:07.27 | rooly | fso-illume |
| 01:07.47 | SeligArkin | flails her arms |
| 01:07.54 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.55 | raster | there |
| 01:08.15 | raster | try this |
| 01:08.22 | raster | comment out the |
| 01:08.24 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.24 | raster | ... |
| 01:08.31 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.32 | raster | section |
| 01:08.36 | raster | and see |
| 01:08.50 | raster | rooly: not sure |
| 01:09.15 | raster | rooly: possibly because its not a regular shelf its in and the gadget popup code doesnt handle the slipshelf illume uses properly for the popup |
| 01:09.46 | rooly | its strange because it works fine for roughly a minute and then crashes all of e |
| 01:10.11 | raster | because it scribbled over memory it shouldnt |
| 01:10.17 | raster | then eventualyl somehting uses the memory scribbled on |
| 01:10.19 | raster | and barfs |
| 01:10.20 | rooly | on recovery, the icon is disabled, but if any settings were changed, they are held |
| 01:11.39 | raster | well an x trace i saw yesterday made me think that it may be an animator runng |
| 01:12.00 | raster | and the only one that makes sense that i can think of that things like a modify/add/del a .desktop file fixes.. would be fm based |
| 01:12.08 | raster | and the fm has an animator it uses... while a dir is loading |
| 01:13.06 | Dave | Raster! |
| 01:13.29 | Dave | rooly! |
| 01:14.03 | rooly | yessum |
| 01:14.20 | rooly | is going to write an event manager for his favorite 3d rendering engine |
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| 01:17.05 | Dave | neat |
| 01:17.11 | Dave | rooly, how'd the date go? :P |
| 01:20.50 | CVirus | Dave: is that you ? http://fukung.net/v/7465/unix-1.jpg |
| 01:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: :) |
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| 01:22.47 | rooly | dave, horribly |
| 01:26.59 | Dave | Uh oh |
| 01:27.08 | rooly | yeah |
| 01:27.12 | rooly | stupid restaurant |
| 01:27.14 | rooly | but oh well |
| 01:27.17 | rooly | could be worse |
| 01:27.53 | Dave | :\ |
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| 01:31.51 | rooly | actually |
| 01:31.55 | rooly | no, couldn't be worse |
| 01:31.57 | rooly | anywho |
| 01:31.58 | rooly | whatever |
| 01:34.02 | SeligArkin | stabs wpa_supplicant |
| 01:36.07 | mwester | looks at something hideous squirming and writhing on the end of fork, spewing vile-smelling slimey liquids all about the channel... |
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| 01:37.58 | Dave | o_O |
| 01:39.03 | rooly | oh THERE you are kitteh |
| 01:39.07 | rooly | found his kitteh |
| 01:39.13 | rooly | but why is there a fork in it |
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| 01:39.25 | Dave | O_o |
| 01:39.32 | SeligArkin | meows and wiggles |
| 01:39.32 | Dave | you must be in teh .cn :p |
| 01:39.37 | Dave | pets Selig |
| 01:40.01 | SeligArkin | purrs |
| 01:40.12 | rooly | ... |
| 01:40.15 | SeligArkin | continues pawing at her freerunner's screen, somehow operating it |
| 01:40.20 | rooly | i think my kitteh may be in heat |
| 01:40.34 | SeligArkin | is he/she humping you? |
| 01:40.42 | Dave | :o |
| 01:41.07 | rooly | ... |
| 01:41.15 | rooly | is that an offer? |
| 01:41.23 | SeligArkin | my friend's cat keeps running off for what we suspect are booty calls |
| 01:42.14 | SeligArkin | and that depends, rooly. :P |
| 01:43.17 | rooly | err |
| 01:43.35 | rooly | passing thru north mississippi any time soon |
| 01:43.57 | SeligArkin | nope, and sorry but you're not worth travling all the way there for.:P |
| 01:44.02 | rooly | lol |
| 01:44.27 | rooly | what if i do something cool like make a pure phone with all kinds of neat features for the FR |
| 01:44.32 | rooly | as light as 30 megs |
| 01:45.34 | Dave | rooly :P |
| 01:45.35 | SeligArkin | would it support having different settings for different access points? |
| 01:46.03 | SeligArkin | notes this is why she is fighting with wpa_supplicant |
| 01:46.15 | rooly | sure |
| 01:46.26 | SeligArkin | I like having my phone be 192.168.1.5 at home and dhcp everywhere else |
| 01:46.40 | Dave | sooooooooooo |
| 01:46.44 | rooly | hmm |
| 01:46.46 | Dave | write a decent wifi roaming manager |
| 01:46.48 | Dave | :p |
| 01:47.00 | rooly | or how about a decent phone app with all the necessary features |
| 01:47.23 | Dave | go fish |
| 01:47.35 | SeligArkin | rooly, you sure want to get in my pants.:P |
| 01:47.52 | rooly | huh? who said anything about that |
| 01:48.07 | Dave | o_O |
| 01:48.13 | rooly | dave, think qte without the crap |
| 01:48.18 | rooly | or crashing |
| 01:48.40 | rooly | will start pulling together fso soon... |
| 01:50.31 | Dave | that'd be hot |
| 01:51.09 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 01:51.13 | rooly | yup |
| 01:51.15 | SeligArkin | big ambitions, rooly |
| 01:51.22 | rooly | is aroused thinking about a working phone app |
| 01:51.28 | SeligArkin | haha |
| 01:51.43 | Dave | rubs his freerunner |
| 01:51.47 | rooly | well, SeligArkin, seeing as most of the work is already done by dbus, all i have to do is write something useable on top of it |
| 01:53.26 | Dave | So, basically... rooly's zhone ... rhone? :D |
| 01:53.55 | SeligArkin | rooly: call it herpes, just for shits and goodness |
| 01:54.03 | rooly | lol |
| 01:54.06 | Dave | -_- |
| 01:54.15 | SeligArkin | s/goodness/giggles/ |
| 01:54.37 | SeligArkin | thank you, apt |
| 01:54.45 | Dave | botsnack |
| 01:55.01 | Dave | apt :) |
| 01:55.02 | apt | (: |
| 01:55.16 | rooly | so yeah |
| 01:55.20 | rooly | this resteraunt is closing |
| 01:55.23 | rooly | bbl |
| 01:55.27 | Dave | heh |
| 01:55.29 | Dave | later rooly |
| 01:55.29 | rooly | with screen shots! |
| 01:55.38 | Dave | \o/ |
| 01:56.09 | SeligArkin | heh |
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| 02:03.37 | Dave | So, how's tricks, Selig? |
| 02:03.49 | SeligArkin | tricks? |
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| 02:08.43 | Dave | Yes. |
| 02:08.48 | Dave | How are things with you, recently? |
| 02:12.45 | SeligArkin | ah, not so good |
| 02:12.50 | SeligArkin | been getting sick |
| 02:12.56 | SeligArkin | coming down with something |
| 02:13.17 | Dave | Wonderful -_- |
| 02:13.30 | SeligArkin | Its not herpes though, so we're still good |
| 02:13.40 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 02:13.41 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 02:13.52 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 02:14.02 | SeligArkin | ~.~ |
| 02:14.27 | SeligArkin | wonders why apt hates ~_~ so much |
| 02:16.14 | Dave | :P |
| 02:16.25 | SeligArkin | stabs apt |
| 02:16.34 | SeligArkin | not a very smart bot, are you... |
| 02:16.39 | SeligArkin | :P |
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| 02:17.00 | Dave | apt, bot? |
| 02:17.01 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:17.11 | Dave | :p |
| 02:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | apt: stupid bot |
| 02:17.19 | apt | Stupid human. |
| 02:17.22 | Dave | huhu |
| 02:20.48 | SeligArkin | abuses apt |
| 02:21.19 | Dave | >:O |
| 02:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | apt, die |
| 02:21.23 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 02:21.32 | Dave | :( |
| 02:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | apt is just kidding |
| 02:22.27 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 02:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | apt: how are you? |
| 02:22.36 | apt | DocScrutinizer: pretty good. how about you? |
| 02:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | apt: :D |
| 02:22.51 | apt | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. |
| 02:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | apt: sure you are feeling sane? |
| 02:23.43 | apt | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 02:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | apt: sure you |
| 02:24.13 | apt | sure you are feeling sane? |
| 02:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | apt: forget sure you |
| 02:24.36 | apt | i forgot sure you, DocScrutinizer |
| 02:25.08 | nezza-_- | apt: remember sure you |
| 02:25.09 | apt | How can i forget about sure you ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 02:25.33 | mwester | apt: you're useless! |
| 02:25.34 | apt | Yes. Yes I am |
| 02:25.39 | mwester | good bot. |
| 02:25.52 | Dave | ;D |
| 02:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | his master's voice :D |
| 02:26.08 | mwester | not this one. |
| 02:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, his brother |
| 02:26.30 | mwester | is only guilty of bzzbot. |
| 02:26.35 | Dave | :p |
| 02:26.59 | nezza-_- | apt: when will gta03 be released? |
| 02:27.22 | mwester | is kerneling again... |
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| 02:28.02 | rooly | so i'm backeth |
| 02:28.08 | SeligArkin | NO YOUR NOT |
| 02:28.50 | *** part/#openmoko rooly (n=CAC@12.151.197.98) |
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| 02:28.59 | rooly | i'm back |
| 02:29.02 | SeligArkin | NO YOUR NOT |
| 02:29.04 | Dave | \o/ |
| 02:29.07 | *** part/#openmoko rooly (n=CAC@12.151.197.98) |
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| 02:29.13 | Dave | o_O |
| 02:29.16 | rooly | i'm back |
| 02:29.18 | Dave | wtf |
| 02:29.18 | SeligArkin | ok you are back |
| 02:29.22 | rooly | w00t |
| 02:29.29 | Dave | smacks SeligArkin around |
| 02:29.54 | SeligArkin | pets rooly |
| 02:29.56 | SeligArkin | Thats a good boy |
| 02:30.14 | rooly | sort of spits out a few gushes of fluid |
| 02:30.22 | Dave | :D |
| 02:30.30 | SeligArkin | oh dear |
| 02:30.45 | rooly | sorry...i suppose this requires video emphasis |
| 02:30.49 | Dave | :P |
| 02:30.55 | SeligArkin | please don't |
| 02:31.19 | SeligArkin | I keel youuuuuuu |
| 02:31.41 | rooly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 |
| 02:37.13 | SeligArkin | also |
| 02:37.19 | SeligArkin | calls the cops on dave |
| 02:37.29 | rooly | wait |
| 02:37.45 | SeligArkin | he smacked me around |
| 02:37.53 | rooly | you took the time to wwatch that |
| 02:37.53 | rooly | oic |
| 02:38.24 | SeligArkin | needs to get url_log working again |
| 02:38.28 | rooly | dave, for shame |
| 02:38.28 | rooly | hitting a person who claims to be a girl on the internet |
| 02:38.40 | Dave | HAHAHAHA |
| 02:38.51 | Dave | I'd say that gives me even higher morals than the rest of the internet :P |
| 02:40.09 | rooly | there's nothing quite as fun as infuriating 15 y/o stubborn girlss |
| 02:40.39 | Dave | -_- |
| 02:41.01 | Dave | bitches |
| 02:41.02 | rooly | has to run a ping command on google to make sure he gets his internet |
| 02:41.10 | Dave | heh |
| 02:41.31 | rooly | i hope google doesn't miknd |
| 02:41.36 | Dave | :p |
| 02:41.40 | rooly | s/miknd/mind |
| 02:41.49 | rooly | balls |
| 02:42.02 | rooly | s/miknd/mind/ |
| 02:42.08 | rooly | /s/miknd/mind/ |
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| 02:42.25 | rooly | raster |
| 02:42.28 | rooly | make apt listen to me |
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| 02:42.46 | raster | spanks apt |
| 02:42.50 | raster | bad apt! bad! |
| 02:43.05 | rooly | now...how does one use sed again |
| 02:43.12 | Dave | haha |
| 02:43.34 | raster | sed s/oldstring/newstring/g < oldfile > newfile |
| 02:44.18 | SeligArkin | unknown tag <oldfile> |
| 02:44.52 | rooly | what about <oldfile/> |
| 02:45.03 | SeligArkin | ... ERROR |
| 02:45.05 | Dave | -_-; |
| 02:45.13 | SeligArkin | Insert penis and pess space to continue |
| 02:45.29 | rooly | space |
| 02:45.58 | SeligArkin | I/O error |
| 02:46.04 | SeligArkin | Missing vagina |
| 02:46.09 | SeligArkin | PANIC! |
| 02:46.11 | Dave | -_- |
| 02:46.15 | rooly | ... |
| 02:46.17 | rooly | ow |
| 02:46.19 | SeligArkin | flashes the red aux button |
| 02:46.29 | rooly | this is what they call 'broke-****' |
| 02:46.50 | Dave | hahaha |
| 02:46.56 | Dave | BROKEBACK MOKO! |
| 02:47.00 | rooly | lol |
| 02:47.20 | SeligArkin | Dave: you're the one with a milion phones, right? |
| 02:47.31 | raster | censors #openmoko |
| 02:47.38 | SeligArkin | stack two ontop of oneanother, picture, caption, upload |
| 02:47.41 | Dave | covers his eyes |
| 02:47.55 | Dave | Selig, I have a picture of six with Usb cables plugged into a single hub |
| 02:48.05 | Dave | and a picture of ten with cables plugged into each other |
| 02:48.06 | SeligArkin | link? |
| 02:48.12 | Dave | I don't have them posted... yet |
| 02:48.21 | SeligArkin | NAO |
| 02:48.30 | Dave | What are we having now, Openmoko Motivationals? :p |
| 02:48.39 | SeligArkin | YES |
| 02:48.42 | rooly | no |
| 02:48.46 | rooly | OpenMokovationals |
| 02:49.43 | Dave | :D |
| 02:49.54 | rooly | i think you guys might like this one |
| 02:50.58 | rooly | my main method of aquiring wifi on this laptop from the guy 3 buildings away is to place my FR, antenna down, near the wifi antenna...it somehow reinforces the signal and gives me an extra bar or 2 |
| 02:51.39 | Dave | OPENMOKO AS WIFI BOOSTER!? |
| 02:51.39 | Dave | :D |
| 02:52.13 | SeligArkin | SO MANY BOSIES |
| 02:52.55 | rooly | yup yup |
| 02:53.04 | rooly | should post a pic |
| 02:53.11 | SeligArkin | pixplz |
| 02:53.21 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 02:53.28 | SeligArkin | Dave: openmoko orgy, upload, now |
| 02:53.29 | Dave | selig, speaking of which... |
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| 02:54.56 | rooly | well |
| 02:55.08 | SeligArkin | stares at dave wondering whats going on |
| 02:55.11 | rooly | it boosts the signal from non-existant to existant |
| 02:55.17 | rooly | but doesn't improve useability it seems |
| 02:55.24 | rooly | and doesn't boost the signal beyond that |
| 03:00.36 | SeligArkin | pokes dave |
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| 03:03.00 | Dave | giggles |
| 03:03.04 | Dave | Hey Ken :) |
| 03:03.45 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - I just uploaded a new version of the orrery... |
| 03:03.45 | Dave | I was stargazing the past few nights :) |
| 03:03.50 | Dave | \o/ |
| 03:03.58 | KenYoung | What did you see? |
| 03:04.18 | Dave | Many lovely stars :) |
| 03:04.37 | Dave | Orion is still around and always looks nice |
| 03:05.32 | KenYoung | Yup - the Orion/Taurus area is perhaps the most striking, at least from the northern hemisphere. |
| 03:06.08 | rooly | hmm |
| 03:06.11 | SeligArkin | I think its too bright where I live to see much of anything in the sky |
| 03:06.25 | Dave | Yeah |
| 03:06.36 | KenYoung | SeligArkin, Where do you live? |
| 03:06.37 | Dave | I was out in the woods up north, so looked nice :) |
| 03:06.42 | rooly | i wonder if it would be feasable to get orrery to align with the sky based on orientation |
| 03:06.46 | Dave | Otherwise here in the city, you see nothing but orange haze :) |
| 03:06.58 | SeligArkin | near philly, ken |
| 03:07.21 | KenYoung | rooly, We really need a magnetic compass build in (ala G1) to do that, don't we? |
| 03:07.28 | Dave | yeah! |
| 03:07.33 | Dave | Digital doesn't do it :P |
| 03:08.15 | rooly | nah, not at all |
| 03:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | digital? |
| 03:08.55 | Dave | Digital Compass |
| 03:08.58 | Dave | (fake) |
| 03:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm.... |
| 03:09.38 | SeligArkin | ... |
| 03:09.38 | KenYoung | There is an Android/G1 app for showing the sky which uses the accelerometers and build-in compass to try to show exactly what the observer would see, but it apparently doesn't correct for the difference between magnetic and true north, so it is off by quite a bit in most places. |
| 03:10.01 | SeligArkin | How... how the... I don't want to know... |
| 03:10.08 | KenYoung | It is also butt-ugly. |
| 03:10.10 | Dave | Yep :D |
| 03:10.16 | Dave | Orrery ftw! |
| 03:10.40 | KenYoung | What does ftw mean? |
| 03:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is a digital compas? |
| 03:10.54 | Dave | apt, ftw? |
| 03:10.55 | apt | For The Win! |
| 03:11.00 | raster | DocScrutinizer: like accelerometers |
| 03:11.08 | raster | but actually tells you which way is north |
| 03:11.14 | Dave | or gps |
| 03:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | gps isn't a compass at all |
| 03:11.33 | raster | with a digital compass you can properly figure out orientation of the device in the world |
| 03:11.41 | tomboy64 | lol |
| 03:11.46 | raster | combined with ac acceleremeters (which was is down) |
| 03:11.50 | raster | and gps tells you where you are |
| 03:11.56 | Dave | right |
| 03:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | raster: I'd assume it's magnetic then |
| 03:12.01 | Dave | but it's corny, and stupid |
| 03:12.04 | raster | so combine all those 3 and u can position the device "within the world" |
| 03:12.07 | KenYoung | THe G1's is magnetic. |
| 03:12.10 | raster | and know hwich way its pointing |
| 03:12.18 | Dave | or just use a $0.01 magnetic compass which is all the better! |
| 03:12.24 | raster | yeah |
| 03:12.27 | raster | magnetic |
| 03:12.31 | raster | tho there may be others |
| 03:12.35 | raster | that work differently |
| 03:13.18 | raster | you can always correct for magnetic vs true north in softwaree |
| 03:13.20 | raster | thats trivial |
| 03:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | there's no nonmagnetic compass (despite innertial systems are sometimes called "compass") |
| 03:13.26 | rooly | considers creating an internal magnetic compas mod for the FR |
| 03:13.27 | raster | the problewm is if u have other magnetic things nearby |
| 03:13.40 | raster | and magnetic field varies slightly around the earth |
| 03:13.44 | raster | not always pointing north |
| 03:13.45 | Dave | :) |
| 03:14.09 | rooly | does the FR have any sort of grounding mechanism? |
| 03:14.15 | KenYoung | And the magnetic correction changes over the years surprisingly quickly. |
| 03:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: gravity |
| 03:14.32 | rooly | lol |
| 03:14.37 | SeligArkin | zing |
| 03:14.38 | rooly | i mean electrically |
| 03:15.13 | tomboy64 | hmm |
| 03:15.15 | rooly | that way i might posssibly construct a faraday cage around any nearby equipment in the case to keep it from being affected by the magnet |
| 03:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: what for? |
| 03:15.22 | tomboy64 | weirdness ftw |
| 03:15.28 | SeligArkin | Dave: WHAT DO YOU MEAN "speaking of picvtures...." |
| 03:15.33 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 03:15.34 | tomboy64 | i was about to ask for what to look with debugging etk ... |
| 03:15.37 | tomboy64 | only problem |
| 03:15.42 | tomboy64 | that thing compiled |
| 03:15.45 | tomboy64 | -.- |
| 03:15.53 | tomboy64 | is puzzled |
| 03:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: magnetic shielding is different to electrostatic grounding/shielding |
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| 03:16.54 | KenYoung | Really good magnetic shielding requires superconductors. |
| 03:17.15 | Dave | :) |
| 03:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | yup :) |
| 03:17.46 | rooly | hmm...i dont' think the FR battery has the output to run even the highest temperature super conducters |
| 03:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | alas that will shield the compass as well |
| 03:18.25 | KenYoung | Maybe add a laser gyro! |
| 03:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | problem with compass is changing currents, mainly battery |
| 03:19.38 | rooly | hmm |
| 03:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | to get an accurate reading you need to level down all current flowing near the compass |
| 03:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: checked that for gta04 some time ago, there aren't any low power miniature ones (yet?) |
| 03:21.29 | rooly | i know! place the compass in the FR's sexhole |
| 03:21.52 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, I was just kidding. I assumed the power requirements would make it out-of-the-question. |
| 03:22.08 | Dave | HOLY FLUX CAPACITORS BATMAN!? |
| 03:22.09 | SeligArkin | I was curious, why is there a hole in the bottom of the freerunner |
| 03:22.21 | Dave | silly selig |
| 03:22.24 | rooly | SeligArkin: for the to making the love |
| 03:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | nah, why that? a lasermouse works from bat for weeks |
| 03:22.52 | SeligArkin | much too small for any human |
| 03:23.25 | rooly | you apparently aren't of asian heritage |
| 03:23.33 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, How small, physically, are the smallest laser gyros now? If it weren't for the power requirement, could you really stick one in a phone? |
| 03:23.41 | rooly | couldn't figure out how to spell decent...descent... |
| 03:23.52 | Dave | hah |
| 03:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: nope |
| 03:24.01 | KenYoung | Zut |
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| 03:26.41 | SeligArkin | yelps in pain as a rubberband snaps hitting her |
| 03:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: I'd guess you could build a lasergyro formfactor of a camera module (3-axis). Dunno why there aren't any around yet apparently |
| 03:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | maybe CW-quality of laser-LEDs isn't sufficient |
| 03:29.07 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, The Freerunner seems to be quite popular with the geocaching set. Has Om considered making a special version optimized for them, with compass, a screen with goos sunlight visibility, etc? |
| 03:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | though laserLEDs are good enough for recording holograms, so... |
| 03:30.00 | Dave | :D |
| 03:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: nope |
| 03:31.00 | tomboy64 | i recall some nokias having a compass built in |
| 03:31.10 | tomboy64 | not quite accurate |
| 03:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 03:31.20 | tomboy64 | but exact enough for everyday use |
| 03:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's not THAT problematic |
| 03:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | just keep it away from iron and high current traces, and possibly don't use it during high power consumption takes place |
| 03:33.17 | SeligArkin | and whatever you do, don;t use it in a bomb |
| 03:33.26 | tomboy64 | SeligArkin, awww :( |
| 03:33.38 | tomboy64 | that would destroy its primary use-objective |
| 03:34.23 | rooly | erm |
| 03:34.25 | rooly | duh |
| 03:34.29 | rooly | its a BOMB |
| 03:34.29 | tomboy64 | is excited and wondering if he gets finally to finish his shr-compile |
| 03:34.42 | tomboy64 | sure |
| 03:34.43 | rooly | a bomb's primary use method is to destroy it's primary use method |
| 03:34.51 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 03:34.52 | tomboy64 | doh |
| 03:34.56 | tomboy64 | overseen that |
| 03:35.33 | SeligArkin | lol |
| 03:35.45 | Dave | pours a bucket of warm water on selig |
| 03:35.52 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.58 | rooly | lol |
| 03:36.08 | rooly | ESPECIALLY if there are timers involved and the fr is asleep |
| 03:36.46 | rooly | images SeligArkin in a white shirt, just for shits and goodness |
| 03:38.36 | SeligArkin | does wind blow saucy music walk to rooly |
| 03:39.06 | rooly | 's head explodes like in the movie 'Scanners' |
| 03:39.17 | SeligArkin | interesting |
| 03:40.41 | Dave | kinky |
| 03:40.51 | tomboy64 | what's smaller: gstreamer or xine? |
| 03:40.58 | tomboy64 | respectively more suited for the fr |
| 03:41.01 | rooly | gurgle |
| 03:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | tomboy64: what for? |
| 03:42.05 | tomboy64 | emotion wants it |
| 03:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | err... |
| 03:42.34 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 03:42.41 | rooly | gurgle gurgle |
| 03:42.52 | tomboy64 | exactly my trail of thoughts |
| 03:43.00 | SeligArkin | does windblow sexy music walk to dave |
| 03:43.02 | rooly | guriggle |
| 03:43.10 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 03:43.25 | rooly | gurggles that dave is gay |
| 03:43.48 | SeligArkin | heh |
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| 03:43.57 | SeligArkin | how interesting, I'm not really a girl.:P |
| 03:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: you lose |
| 03:44.46 | Dave | laughs at rooly |
| 03:45.21 | tomboy64 | randomly chooses gstreamer |
| 03:45.27 | tomboy64 | no further input, doc? |
| 03:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 03:45.44 | SeligArkin | tomboy64: use xrandr |
| 03:45.52 | SeligArkin | waiiittt... |
| 03:46.01 | tomboy64 | O.O |
| 03:46.14 | tomboy64 | turns SeligArkin by 177.51 ° |
| 03:46.30 | SeligArkin | errors and disappears |
| 03:46.49 | Dave | THE PROOF SHALL SET YOU FREE. |
| 03:47.42 | rooly | whew |
| 03:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: that's an ancient inquisition mantra? |
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| 03:48.00 | rooly | good thing i spontaneously heal like curly from oklahoma |
| 03:48.01 | Dave | actually, it's "the truth shall set you free" |
| 03:48.11 | SeligArkin | ... note: freerunners don't like falling about a metre |
| 03:48.17 | rooly | they don't? |
| 03:48.20 | Dave | but in this case, more like proof -- since openmoko lacks many proofs that it actually works :) |
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| 03:48.27 | Dave | yadda yadda |
| 03:48.27 | rooly | i've dropped mine from 1.5 and it still works |
| 03:48.34 | Dave | Sargun. |
| 03:48.48 | Sargun | dave. |
| 03:48.50 | SeligArkin | screen went all white. :LP |
| 03:48.56 | Sargun | I need to reflash my FR |
| 03:48.58 | Sargun | and install Qi. |
| 03:49.00 | Dave | WSOD! |
| 03:49.06 | Sargun | I hate updating. |
| 03:49.33 | Dave | Welcome to the club. |
| 03:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: that sounds nasty |
| 03:49.49 | rooly | odd |
| 03:49.56 | rooly | reflashing is something i enjoy doing |
| 03:50.28 | Dave | :D |
| 03:50.46 | SeligArkin | pulling the battery fixed it |
| 03:50.47 | rooly | i'm sort of an exhibitionist |
| 03:50.56 | Dave | ;p |
| 03:50.59 | SeligArkin | rooly: pix? |
| 03:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | oh, good |
| 03:51.02 | rooly | lol |
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| 03:51.24 | SeligArkin | Dave: speaking of, upload those pics please |
| 03:51.32 | Dave | yourself included |
| 03:51.34 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 03:52.20 | SeligArkin | what of, dave? |
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| 03:59.41 | SeligArkin | hands Dave a folded up picture |
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| 04:09.09 | slaxxin | opkg update |
| 04:09.16 | slaxxin | haha |
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| 04:14.02 | SeligArkin | meows at Dave |
| 04:16.54 | Dave | claws selig |
| 04:18.31 | SeligArkin | eep |
| 04:18.42 | SeligArkin | upload those pics of it. :P |
| 04:18.44 | Dave | rawr |
| 04:18.53 | SeligArkin | of the phones linked |
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| 04:37.18 | slaxxin | its been a week so shr must be fixxin to kick out a milestone |
| 04:37.59 | Dave | heh, you'd hope |
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| 04:46.01 | Dave | :o |
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| 04:50.11 | Dave | :) |
| 04:51.56 | rooly1 | ... |
| 04:51.58 | rooly1 | stupid wifi |
| 04:52.06 | rooly1 | can't wait till he gets that super antenna |
| 04:52.10 | Dave | ;p |
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| 05:20.17 | sebbs | woah, i read gta03 is gonna be out after Q3 2009, is it really that near release? |
| 05:20.46 | tomboy64 | respectfully doubts |
| 05:20.56 | KenYoung | Well, Q1 2050 is after Q3 2009. |
| 05:21.06 | sebbs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 05:21.14 | sebbs | KenYoung: true |
| 05:21.58 | sebbs | but even optimistically thinking q3 2009 seems very near |
| 05:22.10 | tomboy64 | seems as if it will not be available before Q3 2009 |
| 05:22.12 | tomboy64 | hah! |
| 05:22.19 | KenYoung | sebbs, Yup. I'd love to get my hands on one that soon. |
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| 05:22.30 | tomboy64 | sounds more like mid-2010 before it goes into the fab |
| 05:22.42 | sebbs | the fab? |
| 05:22.59 | tomboy64 | into fabrication = mass production |
| 05:23.06 | sebbs | fabricator? |
| 05:23.07 | sebbs | ok |
| 05:23.56 | sebbs | 3d7k |
| 05:24.00 | sebbs | funny name |
| 05:24.17 | KenYoung | Any idea what that name means? |
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| 05:32.11 | sebbs | KenYoung: not more then 3d7000 |
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| 05:35.15 | raster | sebbs: my money is on gta03 never coming out |
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| 05:35.40 | raster | and that post by seteven is ooold |
| 05:35.51 | tomboy64 | xD |
| 05:35.51 | sebbs | this could be true, i hope its not though |
| 05:36.05 | raster | put iut this way |
| 05:36.21 | raster | if it takes much longer the soc (cpu) and otherwise systrem is so far behind everyone else |
| 05:36.27 | raster | that they probably need to start again anyway |
| 05:37.19 | raster | also wifi has been removed |
| 05:37.29 | madwoota | no point making new hardware from outdated components |
| 05:37.36 | raster | whihc makes it all that much less useful |
| 05:37.38 | raster | as it has no 3g |
| 05:37.47 | raster | where is your high-speed data networking? |
| 05:37.49 | raster | (bluetooth?) |
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| 05:38.20 | raster | lets see what happens |
| 05:38.55 | KenYoung | raster, Wow - WiFi is removed from the gta03? Why did that happen? |
| 05:39.01 | raster | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 05:39.03 | raster | there on the wiki |
| 05:39.20 | raster | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004354.html |
| 05:41.58 | sebbs | why would they remove wifi |
| 05:42.22 | sebbs | that will automatically exclude a large section of the market i think (not that what i think matters that much in context) |
| 05:42.22 | raster | (the problem is if u stick with samsung soc's 6410 is pretty much top of the line atm - but its not top in soc's in general - omap3 seems to have the crown atm, and freescale want to steal that. qualcomm's soc might be good but no one knows much about it other than whats listed on the website) |
| 05:42.43 | raster | well they removed wifi |
| 05:42.50 | raster | its publicly stated |
| 05:42.53 | raster | ask om why |
| 05:42.59 | raster | but to me having no wifi |
| 05:43.02 | sebbs | raster: is this a price thing? i saw they cut back on alot of stuff |
| 05:43.28 | raster | and ALSO having no highspeed 3g (eg hspa) means no fast netowrking |
| 05:43.28 | raster | (hspa can do up to 7mbit - but u also need the telco to support that and pay them) |
| 05:43.35 | raster | dont ask me |
| 05:43.37 | raster | i dont work for om |
| 05:43.39 | KenYoung | sebbs, THey couldn't possibly be crazy enough to drop WiFi because of price, on a non-3G phone. |
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| 05:43.41 | sebbs | i like wifi, it feels like a pda, i can ssh to my server from the bathroom and change music |
| 05:43.48 | raster | i just... hang around and make smelly stuff :) |
| 05:44.02 | raster | KenYoung: its dropped |
| 05:44.04 | raster | like it or not :) |
| 05:44.08 | raster | crazy or not |
| 05:44.13 | raster | until informed otherwise |
| 05:44.52 | KenYoung | raster, But it's possible that just that Mavell chip is dropped, and they have some other WiFi solution in the pipe, isn't it? |
| 05:45.00 | sebbs | perhaps they have a nextgen ninjasatelite tech we dont know about |
| 05:45.07 | husku | imo, wifi is not that important if we get edge/3g. |
| 05:45.28 | KenYoung | husku, But I think it is definately known we won't get 3G. |
| 05:45.30 | raster | KenYoung: anything is possible.. but not stated that they do |
| 05:45.46 | raster | husku: edge has horrible latency |
| 05:45.48 | sebbs | i dont know enough about edge, but it means i have to rely on external networks, wifi means i can hook it up myself |
| 05:45.50 | sebbs | thats how i see it |
| 05:45.57 | raster | husku: and its still at best in THEORY to about 250kbit |
| 05:45.59 | sebbs | but i mean sure bluetooth could work |
| 05:46.05 | sebbs | and i read usb3 is gonna be wireless |
| 05:46.10 | sebbs | dont know if thats true though |
| 05:46.12 | raster | and unlike wifi, while at home.. you pay for it |
| 05:46.18 | raster | so wifi imho is a must anyway |
| 05:46.24 | raster | if u have nerds wanting it |
| 05:46.25 | husku | raster: but it works "everywhere" and gives nicer batterytime. |
| 05:46.31 | raster | they dont want to be runing their data to the telco and back |
| 05:46.44 | raster | and back into their firewall just to sssh to their home server .. while at home |
| 05:46.45 | raster | :) |
| 05:46.51 | sebbs | you could always just connect a wifidongle |
| 05:47.00 | raster | as for wifi - it can give as godo battery time |
| 05:47.05 | raster | simply turn it off |
| 05:47.08 | husku | raster: why not just use bluetooth when at home? |
| 05:47.22 | raster | husku: bt is at best 768kbit |
| 05:47.25 | raster | and range is really short |
| 05:47.32 | raster | bt may easily not go beyond 1 room |
| 05:47.41 | raster | its specced range is i think 10ft |
| 05:47.51 | sebbs | and its laggy |
| 05:47.57 | sebbs | and acts weird |
| 05:48.19 | raster | also very few people will have a "bt router" |
| 05:48.21 | eolson | Hmm, I never really had much use for wifi in my last two pda phones. Once or twice when out (not that many free spots), but at home a laptop is more useful |
| 05:48.24 | husku | raster: you have very good points :) |
| 05:48.26 | raster | even nerds |
| 05:48.46 | raster | wifi is - for better or worse, these days, fairly ubiquitous. |
| 05:49.05 | eolson | at home yes, outside of home, not so much (here anyway) |
| 05:49.11 | KenYoung | Everyone has WiFI at work. |
| 05:49.15 | sebbs | i guess ill just stick with my gta02 till it dies |
| 05:49.19 | husku | eolson: i also did not find wifi on my nokia very usefull. |
| 05:49.20 | eolson | that's true, it is at work too |
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| 05:49.43 | raster | it depends what u do |
| 05:49.51 | husku | KenYoung: while at work, i use the usbcable. gives nice timings and keeps battery full. much nicer than wifi :p |
| 05:49.55 | sebbs | husku: this is due to keyboard input |
| 05:50.09 | raster | but gta02 added wifi from gta01 due to overwhelming demand for it |
| 05:50.11 | sebbs | husku: have you ever used a proper pda with a good solid keyboard and wifi? its really nice |
| 05:50.13 | KenYoung | husku, But then you're tethered to something. |
| 05:50.15 | raster | thats why gta02 had it at all |
| 05:50.23 | raster | half the reason to add glamo for gfx was to get wifi |
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| 05:50.30 | raster | thats how much push it had behind it |
| 05:50.32 | husku | sebbs: no. only N80 and laptops |
| 05:50.36 | raster | that alone says something |
| 05:50.42 | sebbs | raster: it lacked a camera |
| 05:50.48 | sebbs | but i do see your point. |
| 05:50.52 | eolson | i suppose it's just easier to release a phone with fewer features |
| 05:51.13 | raster | gta02 jumped thru hoops with cd card on glamo's sd controller |
| 05:51.16 | raster | and all the glamo related problems |
| 05:51.18 | raster | just toi get wifi |
| 05:52.01 | raster | either way |
| 05:52.06 | raster | lets see when gta03 comes out |
| 05:52.10 | sebbs | do you ppl use your phones are primary ones? |
| 05:52.25 | raster | ping andy or openmoko-kernel to see how the kernel support is going for 6410 |
| 05:52.36 | raster | i dont use a gta02 as a primary phone |
| 05:52.41 | raster | have tried a few times |
| 05:52.45 | husku | sebbs: moko is my primary one, but i "need" phone about twice a week so... :) |
| 05:52.48 | raster | it failed so miserabkly... i wont even try anymore |
| 05:52.53 | eolson | i use gta01 as primary |
| 05:53.10 | KenYoung | sebbs, I use my Freerunner as my primary phone, although I also have a G1 which I use for on-the-go web acces. |
| 05:53.30 | sebbs | KenYoung: do you have root on your g1? |
| 05:53.38 | KenYoung | sebbs, Nope. |
| 05:53.41 | sebbs | can you install software on it or is it really locked up? |
| 05:54.08 | sebbs | this is why i bought a freerunner |
| 05:54.11 | KenYoung | sebbs, It's locked up, and I really don't care. All my phone messing around time is reserved for the Freerunner. |
| 05:54.32 | KenYoung | I have no interest in hacking on a G1. |
| 05:54.33 | sebbs | i understand |
| 05:55.15 | sebbs | pitty they limited the phone like that, it has a lot of potential hardware wise |
| 05:56.12 | KenYoung | sebbs, I don't think there will ever be a truly open, unlocked phone offered by the phone companies. It would just be too much of a support nightmare. |
| 05:56.26 | sebbs | how come? |
| 05:56.46 | sebbs | you mean ppl would brick their phones? |
| 05:57.27 | raster | KenYoung: not sure entirely - its more the telcos who want to keep customers locked in to their network - thus using technical means like the handset, to stop them from bypassing their voice charges by using voip, or data bypassing sms, etc. etc. |
| 05:57.47 | KenYoung | If you don't confine apps to a sandbox, and you allow users to install new kernels, the phones will be bricked by users who get in over their heads, and they will expect the phone support people to figure out how to get their phones going again. |
| 05:57.54 | raster | support would be easy enouhg |
| 05:58.10 | raster | if u fiddle with the default firmware outside the bounds they allow all support/.warranty is dropped |
| 05:58.13 | raster | thats easy enough to do |
| 05:58.36 | raster | by simply checking sha1 or md5 checksums on uboot, kernel, and the bits of the filesystem they want locked down |
| 05:58.46 | KenYoung | raster, I'm sure that's true - but do you think any company could realistically support a phone where users could install completely different OSs than were shipped with the unit? |
| 05:58.58 | raster | yes |
| 05:59.08 | raster | but "if u install somethnig else - dont come to use for support" |
| 05:59.13 | raster | no different to laptops |
| 05:59.14 | raster | or desktops |
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| 05:59.44 | sebbs | it makes sense that its the telcos that are trying to keep people locked in |
| 05:59.59 | raster | the telco on the other hand is |
| 06:00.16 | raster | 1. subsidizing the phone |
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| 06:00.30 | raster | so they have basically paid $200,$300, $400 FOR you |
| 06:00.38 | raster | they have made a loss on the phone when you walk out of the store |
| 06:00.49 | raster | they are goign to weant to hold ont your business and money to get it back |
| 06:00.58 | raster | by keeping you on for 1, 2 or even 3 years |
| 06:01.24 | raster | also invariably its not the phone maker having to handle support |
| 06:01.25 | raster | but the telco |
| 06:01.33 | raster | as the telco sold the phone to the customer |
| 06:01.41 | raster | so custoemr goes back to telco store and complains |
| 06:02.05 | raster | on a technical level it'd be very easy to support a modifiable os |
| 06:02.12 | raster | one that can be upgraded with official packages |
| 06:02.21 | raster | and extended with new software addons |
| 06:02.44 | KenYoung | raster, Well, the iPhone and Android have that already. |
| 06:02.49 | raster | and easy to know if someone stepped out of that box - if they did simply say "unless its an obvious hardware fault of ours - warranty is void" |
| 06:02.58 | raster | iphone doesnt |
| 06:03.28 | KenYoung | raster, They push updates to the OS, and you can download apps. |
| 06:03.32 | raster | it doesnt offer the ability to step outside the box and say "i dont weant your appstore. i want it my way thanks. i'll accept the blame if i brick it" |
| 06:03.36 | raster | that isnt offered |
| 06:03.43 | raster | you have ONLY 1 choice |
| 06:04.24 | KenYoung | raster, Are they actually trying to legally prevent jailbreaking the iPhone? |
| 06:04.40 | raster | dmca |
| 06:04.44 | raster | they actually have been |
| 06:04.44 | KenYoung | I thought you could jail break, but Apple washed their hands of it then. |
| 06:04.50 | raster | as well as technically stopping it |
| 06:04.58 | raster | ie putting in technical roadblocks to it |
| 06:05.18 | raster | even if u jailbreak |
| 06:05.21 | raster | the core os isnt open |
| 06:05.27 | raster | u cant "patch your kernel" |
| 06:05.43 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 06:06.23 | raster | i dont see a phone being any different to a pc or laptop in any of this |
| 06:06.40 | raster | other than in the usa at leats the only way to get a phone sanely is via the telco |
| 06:06.45 | raster | u cant just get a sim card and no phone |
| 06:06.55 | raster | they force you to buy/take a subsidised phone, like it or not. |
| 06:07.00 | raster | so u pay for one anyway |
| 06:07.05 | raster | there is no choice |
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| 06:07.24 | KenYoung | raster, T-mobile will give you a sim and no phone in the US. I've done that. |
| 06:07.33 | raster | oh they do now? |
| 06:07.34 | raster | thats new |
| 06:07.38 | madwoota | people dont see the value in paying the same amount as a new computer for something the size of a pack of cards |
| 06:07.45 | raster | and then with lo9wer per month charges |
| 06:07.47 | raster | or no contract? |
| 06:07.48 | madwoota | hence the need for subsidies |
| 06:08.21 | raster | madwoota: or more to the point - phones have always been cheap |
| 06:08.34 | raster | they see computers as amazing do-it-all devices |
| 06:08.42 | raster | they see phones as "i just want to make a damned call" |
| 06:08.49 | raster | like the good old rotary phone |
| 06:08.52 | madwoota | exactly :) |
| 06:08.54 | KenYoung | raster, I got a pay-as-you-go SIM, with no contract, and no phone, at one of the Cambridge MA T-Mobile stores. |
| 06:09.07 | raster | and even then the rotary phone days.. the phone was provided by the telco |
| 06:09.08 | raster | u rented it |
| 06:09.31 | madwoota | heh, my employer still makes shedloads off people paying rental for a phone |
| 06:09.33 | raster | KenYoung: ok - thats changed |
| 06:09.34 | madwoota | (landline phone) |
| 06:09.38 | madwoota | which costs us $5 |
| 06:09.54 | raster | madwoota: i know. its traditionally been a total money pot for telcos |
| 06:09.58 | raster | to lease u a phone |
| 06:10.00 | raster | it looks cheap |
| 06:10.03 | raster | $5/month |
| 06:10.10 | raster | but over the years... as it sits there and gets yellow |
| 06:10.17 | madwoota | everything about landlines is a money printing machine, thats why they resist the move away from them so much |
| 06:10.19 | raster | you end up paying 20x the value of the phone |
| 06:10.40 | madwoota | especially encumbents :P |
| 06:10.44 | raster | yup |
| 06:10.52 | raster | i think nerds in general understand things more |
| 06:11.05 | raster | so to htem s phone - a modern smartphone - is a powerful pocket-size computing platform |
| 06:11.10 | madwoota | paying more for less doesnt surprise geeks :) |
| 06:11.13 | raster | sure - not the power of sa desktop or laptop |
| 06:11.21 | raster | but a fraction of the size and these days... powerful enough |
| 06:11.29 | raster | the better smartphones are as fast as netbooks |
| 06:11.42 | madwoota | thats why netbooks are so awesome |
| 06:12.04 | raster | real;ly netbook vs smartphone is a matter of "has 3g or not' |
| 06:12.13 | raster | and "has big or small screen" and "keyboard or not" |
| 06:12.13 | madwoota | screen size :| |
| 06:12.17 | raster | and otherwise is formfactor |
| 06:12.28 | madwoota | power of a phone is fine, just too damn small to read webpages on tbh |
| 06:12.33 | raster | there is pressure on the smartphone world ... |
| 06:12.40 | raster | its a question of who will break ranks first |
| 06:12.50 | madwoota | my aspire one is just fine for late night couch browing |
| 06:12.56 | raster | and turn the phone into raw commodity like laptops/desktops etc. |
| 06:13.11 | raster | hmm |
| 06:13.18 | raster | depends ont he browser |
| 06:13.22 | madwoota | it requires a number of factors tho, and no one player can influence all of them at once |
| 06:13.38 | raster | as such the zoom in/.out iphone does makes it bearable |
| 06:14.13 | raster | i think such a thing will change when a niche phone - like gta04 (lets assume its 3g there) |
| 06:14.15 | madwoota | yeh, certainly not something you'd do a lot of, but it works ok enough for short term |
| 06:14.16 | raster | happens |
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| 06:14.19 | raster | suply a niche market |
| 06:14.28 | raster | niche device maker does well on a niche |
| 06:14.54 | madwoota | netbooks were assumed to be a niche market for starters ... other manus laughed at assus for the eee |
| 06:14.59 | raster | then expands as nerrds now make their girlfriends/wives/children use the same device (so nerd can finally do something when they bitch to him "but my phone doesnt do this!") |
| 06:15.16 | raster | yup |
| 06:15.29 | raster | i suspect an open phone.. if decent hw-wise, is a niche |
| 06:15.33 | madwoota | wives's want shiny, they want iphone ... mine wont stop blabbing about why she doesnt have one :( |
| 06:15.37 | raster | but... if it gets enouhg visibility |
| 06:15.45 | raster | and is actualyl sold places peolpe can buy it.. easily |
| 06:15.48 | raster | it may break out of that |
| 06:16.05 | raster | madwoota: well wives have a choice |
| 06:16.07 | raster | they get iphone |
| 06:16.14 | raster | then you simply absolve all responsibility for support |
| 06:16.15 | madwoota | i have three netbooks - and i've never owned a proper "laptop" |
| 06:16.17 | raster | and you make it clear |
| 06:16.22 | raster | "get it - and no help from me!" |
| 06:16.26 | madwoota | they're just right for the bridge between phone & pc |
| 06:16.31 | raster | she will of coruse ignore such an absolving |
| 06:16.36 | madwoota | of course :P |
| 06:16.36 | raster | and insist on help anyway |
| 06:16.51 | raster | but if you hold your ground... |
| 06:16.55 | raster | maybe they'll learn |
| 06:16.55 | raster | :) |
| 06:17.04 | raster | but why does an open phone have to be ugly? |
| 06:17.07 | raster | it can be shiny and nice |
| 06:17.19 | raster | the point is - its not shiny they want |
| 06:17.23 | raster | they want ot eb fashionable |
| 06:17.27 | raster | if its trendy - they want in. |
| 06:17.32 | raster | irrespective of everything else |
| 06:18.41 | madwoota | like whether it works (unlike the iphone :) |
| 06:19.29 | madwoota | even some of my macolyte friends will even - occasionally - criticise it :) |
| 06:19.48 | husku | haha, like any of us would have wives :p |
| 06:19.52 | husku | or gf:s |
| 06:19.59 | husku | you smelly nerds :) |
| 06:20.16 | husku | runs for cover |
| 06:20.27 | fredrin | in Argentina you can buy sim cards on the street and top up everywhere, but they delete you saldo every 30 days :( |
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| 06:21.00 | KenYoung | fredrin, What;s a saldo? |
| 06:21.14 | fredrin | on your prepaid card |
| 06:21.43 | fredrin | like if you don't use all your credit/saldo in 30 days |
| 06:21.45 | raster | i think credit |
| 06:22.07 | fredrin | more debit than credit, but credit is the common word |
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| 10:42.48 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetPowerStatus() |
| 10:42.48 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: for modems that support this call (e.g. FREESCALE NEPTUNE) to get |
| 10:42.48 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: the power status. Note that sysfs power supply classes are preferred though... |
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| 13:09.19 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbfc454321e2c 10/ (ChangeLog docs/ogsmd/lessons): |
| 13:09.19 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: ChangeLog: unify my email address |
| 13:09.19 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: update ogsmd/lessons file |
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| 13:18.15 | SeligArkin | looks around |
| 13:18.41 | henk | nothing to see here, move on please |
| 13:18.51 | SeligArkin | takes pictures for later use |
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| 13:47.05 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc141ebde1341 10/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/modem: docs: document more neptune quirks |
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| 14:07.24 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:33.37 | DocScrutinizer | moinmoin |
| 15:34.40 | tig| | DAVE! |
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| 15:43.21 | Dave | Tig! |
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| 16:14.18 | SeligArkin | Woot, I got my home dir much cleaner now, only 27 files |
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| 16:15.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Yo, what happened to SHR unstable repos? I'm getting a 404 on the frameworkd package. :\ |
| 16:15.13 | SpeedEvil | passes SeligArkin rm -rf / |
| 16:16.13 | SeligArkin | SpeedEvil: I just did a shitload of rm's and mv's |
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| 16:24.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm pondering upgrading. It's been a while. Are there any images for GTA01 which are sort-of-stable, and have a browser of some description of them on them? |
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| 16:25.17 | Blu3 | dunno, but the only functional browser i've found for gta2 is dillo |
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| 16:26.49 | henk | netsurf, midori, arora, links2, minimo |
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| 16:29.43 | SpeedEvil | at the moment, due to life getting in the way, I don't have time to screw with it much alas. |
| 16:36.46 | eolson | speedevil, i switch between midori and dillo for browsers (dillo is a little faster for simple pages, midori is more robust) |
| 16:37.02 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone tried firefox? |
| 16:37.34 | SpeedEvil | semi-recently, I was running it on a sort-of-similar platform - FF1.5, 64 |
| 16:37.38 | SpeedEvil | M RAM, PII/300 |
| 16:37.48 | SpeedEvil | the PII is admittedly maybe double the speed |
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| 16:38.07 | eolson | firefox was such a large install, I can't remember if I finished starting it up. |
| 16:39.39 | eolson | someone on the mailing list said is was good but slow. I just avoided it because of the amount of memory it would take meant it would probably be slow |
| 16:40.15 | SpeedEvil | Oddly on the above platform - with even slower swap than the neo - it wasn't actually bad |
| 16:40.28 | SpeedEvil | (5M/s to disk) |
| 16:40.50 | eolson | maybe worth a shot then |
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| 16:48.57 | eolson | hmm, my gta01 needs the usb unplugged to boot these days or it freezes at the orange openmoko screen |
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| 16:52.19 | Blu3 | minimo is crashy, i couldn't get midori to come up, haven't tried arora or links2 yet |
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| 16:53.42 | henk | that probably depends on the distribution too, so they might still be wort a try... |
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| 16:55.14 | Blu3 | i'm on shr with one or two pkgs from testing, tangogps 0.9.6 from either testing or exp. |
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| 17:01.12 | SeligArkin | restores her debian backup for now |
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| 17:19.56 | shellevil | madwoota: actually - the in-ground maintainance isn't cheap |
| 17:20.06 | shellevil | oops - backscrolled |
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| 17:26.30 | SeligArkin | looks at her space remaining... looks at wikipedia... |
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| 17:30.34 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 17:32.36 | toggles_w | Dave rolls a 3 |
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| 17:33.19 | Dave | damn |
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| 17:53.38 | SeligArkin | waves to dave |
| 17:53.59 | SeligArkin | send the openmoko phone orgy pictures! |
| 17:54.08 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 17:57.10 | Dave | haha you wish :p |
| 17:57.19 | Dave | apt summon sicu |
| 17:57.20 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing sicu's coordinates |
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| 18:04.44 | nezza-_- | apt: are you dumb? |
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| 18:14.38 | johnsu01 | hm, why is ecore-input not being found.. |
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| 18:19.02 | Dave | I think I'll start a US signup |
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| 18:32.31 | Dave | cga! |
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| 18:37.53 | cga | ciao Dave |
| 18:38.13 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:44.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r9367eaec5af3 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: add phone interface |
| 18:44.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rbbdc6b8367bc 10/framework/helpers.py: helpers: add some simple helper functions |
| 18:44.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5b7935b5e4e0 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned: add headset manager |
| 18:44.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r78afda41f7f3 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned/headset: continue implementing |
| 18:44.39 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6e01237d8ecb 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned/headset: more work |
| 18:44.42 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * re4f98d4929c4 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py headset.py ophoned.py protocol.py test.py): ophoned: more work |
| 18:44.47 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r9b57b17c0307 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/gsm.py: ophoned/gsm: fix status/state confusion |
| 18:44.50 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb4745cebbbc5 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (headset.py ophoned.py): ophoned: more fixes |
| 18:44.53 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf6ff81136ca6 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py headset.py ophoned.py protocol.py): ophoned: more work, improve logging |
| 18:44.56 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rdeda19d74fad 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: work around ASoC DAPM problem by flipping "Capture Left Mixer" |
| 18:45.01 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * re48be10939e9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: add support for the bluetooth headset |
| 18:45.04 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rd4e4bfc71a96 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/filter.py: oeventsd: forward enabled/disable to subfilters |
| 18:45.07 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r984385515473 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: oeventsd/fso_triggers: use a more specific logger |
| 18:45.12 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r002ebb2c7044 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/rule.py: oeventsd: fix logging |
| 18:45.15 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6fa8ca18fb74 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/rule.py: oeventsd: we need enabled/disable from Rule (not from Filter) |
| 18:45.18 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * re68f539c4b2e 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: change BTHeadsetConnectedIs(state) to BTHeadsetIsConnected() |
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| 19:35.42 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e6cfecbebc7 10/docs/ogsmd/qualcomm_msm/modem: ogsmd: start documenting Qualcomm MSM modem quirks |
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| 19:51.30 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfb14e3806f16 10/docs/ogsmd/qualcomm_msm/modem: ogsmd: [QUALCOMM MSM] document more quirks |
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| 20:05.38 | SeligArkin | interesting, i didn't know busybox had a ifupdown thingy |
| 20:06.46 | johnsu01 | so I'm grepping for this missing input.pc file that ecore apparently needs.. |
| 20:06.49 | johnsu01 | any tips? |
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| 20:19.24 | nezza-_- | okay, mein X61s hat sich jetzt auch den rechten usb port zerschossen |
| 20:19.34 | SeligArkin | stares |
| 20:19.49 | SeligArkin | WTF |
| 20:20.02 | SeligArkin | I hate this, "Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: Success |
| 20:20.03 | SeligArkin | " |
| 20:20.11 | SeligArkin | Success is not an error! >:O |
| 20:21.15 | nezza-_- | sorry.. wrong channel |
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| 20:27.36 | tomboy64 | lol |
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| 20:36.50 | Dave | SeligArent |
| 20:37.24 | SeligArkin | anyone know if opkg in shr has the opkg patch to fix the memory leaks? |
| 20:37.38 | SeligArkin | yes, Dave/ |
| 20:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: lol :D |
| 20:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: errormsgs my favourite hate object |
| 20:39.09 | SeligArkin | segfault is a murderer. >:O |
| 20:39.23 | Dave | segfaults selig |
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| 20:40.27 | Dave | Cervajz :D |
| 20:41.19 | SeligArkin | handles the segfault poorly and crashes, taking down the system with her |
| 20:41.28 | Dave | \o/ |
| 20:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | wpa-supplicant at least top ten still |
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| 20:45.16 | Dave | -_- |
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| 20:45.31 | SeligArkin | decides to get an openmoko build environment setup |
| 20:46.12 | dent | good luck :) |
| 20:46.41 | Dave | yeah |
| 20:49.45 | SeligArkin | dances around having lost her sanit again |
| 20:50.33 | mmontour | SeligArkin: I look forward to many "WTF!"s from you over the next few hours :) |
| 20:50.42 | Dave | /o\ |
| 20:51.16 | SeligArkin | why is Dave upside down? |
| 20:51.45 | SeligArkin | silly dave, upside-down-ness is for people writing documentation |
| 20:52.44 | laen | DAVE! |
| 20:53.27 | Dave | LAEN |
| 20:53.35 | laen | /o\ |
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| 21:01.57 | vininim | mmm anyway to make lxde more finger friendly? |
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| 21:03.33 | SeligArkin | lalala downloading wikipedia |
| 21:03.53 | Dave | rofl |
| 21:03.54 | Dave | error |
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| 21:05.17 | Zorkman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.20 | Zorkman_ | (from weebl and bob) |
| 21:05.51 | SeligArkin | I should catch up on weebl and bob |
| 21:06.22 | SeligArkin | damn you zorkman, now I have "I am a monkey(I can go anywhere)" stuck in my head. >:O |
| 21:07.05 | SeligArkin | too bad all my bandwidths ae in use by getting the shr build environment |
| 21:07.18 | SeligArkin | and snap |
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| 21:07.37 | SeligArkin | wikipedia's dump is 4.6G compressed... |
| 21:07.49 | SeligArkin | I didn't think of what it would be uncompressed |
| 21:08.13 | SeligArkin | looks like this experiment will not live |
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| 21:08.51 | SeligArkin | unless I pipe it through an uncompresser, then through a filter, then through a compresser, then back to a file... |
| 21:08.55 | SeligArkin | that would take awhile... |
| 21:10.42 | eolson | SeligArkin, when you find out, can you let us know if it's less than 8gb or 16gb uncompressed? |
| 21:11.16 | SeligArkin | eolson: I don't think I will be able to uncompress it |
| 21:11.17 | SpeedEvil | SeligArkin: no reason |
| 21:11.33 | SpeedEvil | SeligArkin: you don't compress it in a solid archive |
| 21:11.50 | eolson | SeligArkin, ah, ok, no problem |
| 21:11.55 | SeligArkin | we'll see |
| 21:12.10 | SpeedEvil | 4.6G - for english? |
| 21:12.13 | SeligArkin | yep |
| 21:12.22 | SpeedEvil | htought it was bigge |
| 21:12.33 | SeligArkin | this is the xml dump |
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| 21:17.33 | vininim | heh, I hope that training cellwriter with curcives won't bork it |
| 21:17.59 | SeligArkin | whats the worst that can happen? |
| 21:18.14 | vininim | it not working =P |
| 21:18.27 | vininim | and /me training it all again |
| 21:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: (pipe) sounds about right |
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| 21:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | seems to remeber Zecke having weeks and weeks of fun with this |
| 21:21.56 | Blu3 | what package has the predictive keyboard and what steps should i take to disable/remove it and make the standard terminal keyboard the default? |
| 21:23.03 | SeligArkin | measures the size of the file using dd and some cheep tricks |
| 21:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 21:24.50 | SeligArkin | bzcat enwiki-20090306-pages-articles.xml.bz2 | dd of=/dev/null & |
| 21:24.51 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 21:25.00 | SeligArkin | then I just send SIGUSR1 every so often |
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| 21:25.46 | Blu3 | why not use wc? |
| 21:26.40 | SeligArkin | wc doesn't like me |
| 21:27.35 | SeligArkin | and this way, I don't have to sit there waiting for it to load. :P |
| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | tar -tvf ?? |
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| 21:30.05 | SeligArkin | flails at the shr mokomakefile thingy |
| 21:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | oh, ~.~ |
| 21:30.33 | SeligArkin | interesting |
| 21:31.09 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer: I am playing with the wikipedia dump, and trying to get shr's dev environment setup at the same time |
| 21:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | quad core stresstest? |
| 21:32.40 | SeligArkin | multi-tasking ftw |
| 21:32.52 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer: no, the wiki dump is running on the server I irc from |
| 21:33.00 | SeligArkin | the shr dev is being setup on my lappy |
| 21:33.12 | SeligArkin | I wish I had a quadcore to stress-test. :P |
| 21:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | nah, toys for braggers |
| 21:35.26 | SeligArkin | I wish I had a dual -core so I could compile and still use the computer at the same time |
| 21:35.28 | Dave | badgers!? |
| 21:35.45 | SeligArkin | badger badger badger badge |
| 21:35.51 | Dave | :P |
| 21:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | or if you got cold feet at office but the facility manager refuses to turn up heating |
| 21:36.11 | SeligArkin | eolson: doesn't look likly |
| 21:36.19 | SeligArkin | eolson: it's reached 14GB so far |
| 21:36.37 | SeligArkin | I expect it to reach up to 80 |
| 21:39.12 | tig| | Dave! Badgers! |
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| 21:41.09 | Dave | Zomg! Noors! |
| 21:41.26 | fredrin | vikingos |
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| 21:43.48 | eolson | SeligArkin, darn, I'll have to wait for the 128gb micro sd cards |
| 21:44.14 | SeligArkin | eolson: or see... whoever was making the adaptor thingy to use normal SD cards. :P |
| 21:44.36 | eolson | good point -- that will work much sooner :) |
| 21:44.43 | SeligArkin | Wow |
| 21:44.48 | SeligArkin | wikipedia is only 22GB |
| 21:45.06 | eolson | nice |
| 21:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: even XML rarely gets compression rates >10:1 |
| 21:49.38 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer: I picked XML because it would be easyest for me to parse most likely |
| 21:49.50 | SeligArkin | parse into individual entrys, and then filter from there. |
| 21:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | nothing wrong withit |
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| 21:52.23 | SeligArkin | my experiment is to take the wikipedia dump |
| 21:52.52 | SeligArkin | and filter out different words, to find out if there is any significant difference in the size of the dump |
| 21:55.35 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 21:56.42 | SeligArkin | do I need an actual reason? :P |
| 21:58.36 | vininim | stop words will reduce it by 70% |
| 21:58.47 | vininim | (or 30% can't remember) |
| 22:00.21 | SeligArkin | stop words? |
| 22:00.48 | vininim | the, to, a(n) |
| 22:00.53 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 22:01.00 | SeligArkin | no I mean random useless words |
| 22:01.11 | SeligArkin | like hitler |
| 22:01.21 | vininim | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_words |
| 22:04.57 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, does anyone know a good tutorial on setting up a bluetooth headset? The one on the wiki just gives a python script that won't work. :\ |
| 22:06.26 | SeligArkin | Digital_Pioneer: have you sacrificed the goat yet? |
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| 22:06.40 | Digital_Pioneer | SeligArkin: Oh, crap, I forgot. BRB. |
| 22:06.51 | SeligArkin | nods "theres your problem" |
| 22:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: PaulFertser should know. I thought wiki was updated lately |
| 22:10.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I found another section... Working with it now. |
| 22:10.10 | SpeedEvil | I tghought that BT headset hadn't been gotten woking |
| 22:10.24 | SpeedEvil | zaps grammar wand at previous sentance. |
| 22:10.32 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i know about bluetooth headset but to use it you need frameworkd from today! |
| 22:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: bzzzz, soryry :-) |
| 22:10.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:10.56 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: The one that gives a 404 when opkg tries to get it? |
| 22:10.58 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: and you need to use bluez4 |
| 22:11.37 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i don't know, i saw commit messages, talked to jluebbe, now i know everything about it :) But i personally update frameworkd directly from git. |
| 22:12.17 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: probably you need to wait till tomorrow or even for a week. He's going to simplify it further. |
| 22:12.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Simplify it? Is he making a GUI? |
| 22:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | is amazed about progress last few weeks, all topics of FR OS |
| 22:13.32 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: no, he's making a better way to pair etc, i guess. |
| 22:13.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh |
| 22:13.47 | SpeedEvil | near-field. |
| 22:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | muahaha |
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| 22:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a funny/cute research about shaking two phones to pair |
| 22:16.13 | SpeedEvil | that is nice - hard to fake |
| 22:16.28 | SpeedEvil | at least without jamming one phone |
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| 22:17.06 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: OK, so can I have both bluezs installed at the same time, or do I have to uninstall 3 to get 4? |
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| 22:17.32 | SpeedEvil | I want near field though. I want to be able to throw my keys in a cup next to the computer, and have the microSD or whatever updated with current homedir state, or ... |
| 22:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 22:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | creating common key from acceleration |
| 22:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, boozetime |
| 22:18.13 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 22:19.09 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: So do you have an IPK for frameworkd of today by any chance? |
| 22:19.28 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: you can have bluez3 installed, but you shouldn't run it (hcid shouldn't be run!). I guess it shouldn't conflict then. And don't try bluez3 scripts with bluez4 :) |
| 22:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: driver to modify calypso into a NFC transceiver is pre-alpha still |
| 22:19.52 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:20.06 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: sorry, no ipk. Debian user, running frameworkd from git, installed to /usr/local. |
| 22:20.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Pfft. The stupid repos don't HAVE a frameworkd package. |
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| 22:23.34 | Lewis____ | Hi all |
| 22:23.43 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, let's just pretend my frameworkd is OK... what then? |
| 22:24.24 | Lewis____ | Who tested android cupcake and is testing koolu's RC4? |
| 22:24.43 | Lewis____ | I am running cupcacke.... |
| 22:25.13 | Lewis____ | and want to know how is RC4. |
| 22:27.04 | SeligArkin | Lewis____: long tail |
| 22:27.18 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: then you need to ensure your headset is paired (you can use simple-agent to do that). Then you need to call frameworkd dbus method to tell it you have a headset with particular address and port. Then you need to use a new rules.yaml to actually be able to talk through the headset. Not that hard at all ;) |
| 22:27.20 | Blu3 | i like long tails |
| 22:27.45 | Lewis____ | ok... thanks |
| 22:28.36 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I know my headset isn't paired. How do I do that? :P |
| 22:29.26 | SeligArkin | Digital_Pioneer: you don't *evil laugh* |
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| 22:30.19 | Lewis____ | no one want to talk about here? |
| 22:30.29 | Blu3 | i'm not running android |
| 22:30.31 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: you need to read the manual of your headset and to use an example bluez4 script simple-agent. I'll tell you the details a bit later, if you need it. |
| 22:30.45 | PaulFertser | Android sucks! |
| 22:30.49 | SeligArkin | You might want to go to the android channel |
| 22:31.03 | SeligArkin | surely theres a #openmoko-android |
| 22:31.11 | SeligArkin | for running android on the openmoko phones |
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| 22:31.34 | Lewis____ | I am also ther, and have 2 with me, only :( |
| 22:31.38 | vininim | mmmm are there lxde plygins for gsm, gps, etc? |
| 22:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | kicks google hard |
| 22:32.11 | Lewis____ | PaulFertser: why, android sucks? |
| 22:32.27 | Lewis____ | PaulFertser: Android has a lovely interface! |
| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | kicks one more |
| 22:32.36 | vininim | *lxpanel |
| 22:32.49 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, I know how to pair the headset, from the headset end. :P Just not from the FR end. I don't have a program simple-agent in my PATH... |
| 22:33.50 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: it's in the examples of bluez4 distribution. I guess it's in the /usr/share/doc/bluez4-bla-bla/examples/ |
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| 22:36.00 | Lewis____ | all the 322 think that android sucks? |
| 22:36.39 | vininim | so far it doesn't work for me |
| 22:38.28 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Nothing in /usr/share/doc about bluez |
| 22:39.56 | Lewis____ | Ok... I will remove android and reinstall Debian... |
| 22:39.58 | max_posedon | Does SHR still has ubifs disabled in their kernels? |
| 22:41.41 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i can assure you that bluez4 distribution has test directory in which you can find the "simple-agent" script. I don't know how exactly it's packaged in OE. |
| 22:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm.. (vanished?) /usr/share/doc/packages/bluez |
| 22:42.27 | Digital_Pioneer | :| |
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| 22:46.47 | mmontour | It looks like OE doesn't package 'simple-agent'. |
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| 22:48.34 | Xilent | my freerunner won't charge |
| 22:48.52 | vininim | Lewis____: debian works on the card, android works on the nand, you can have both |
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| 22:48.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Xilent: Keep rebooting it until it will. |
| 22:49.02 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: first arg is device ("hci0"), the second arg is bluetooth address, if the third arg is supplied (any arg), then the pairing will be removed and created again. |
| 22:49.02 | vininim | (at least beta4) |
| 22:49.05 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: bluetoothd should be running and bluetooth chip powered of course :) |
| 22:49.08 | Digital_Pioneer | (Seriously, it happens every now and then, and 5 reboots later, it works) |
| 22:49.54 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser_: That's to simple-agent? |
| 22:50.03 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: yes |
| 22:50.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Now I have to find it... |
| 22:50.27 | Xilent | can't reboot it's empty |
| 22:50.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Xilent: Ohhh. |
| 22:51.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Xilent: So it's off and dead bat? |
| 22:51.21 | Xilent | yeah |
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| 22:51.26 | mmontour | Xilent: can you get to a uboot menu (NAND or NOR) if you plug it into a PC's USB port and turn it on? |
| 22:51.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Xilent: Plug it in with USB for a while. Then boot NOR and boot. |
| 22:55.31 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: first arg is device ("hci0"), the second arg is bluetooth address, if the third arg is supplied (any arg), then the pairing will be removed and created again. |
| 22:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | fsck [2009-03-19 23:41:43] [Fehler] USR/SHARE/DOC/PACKAGES/BLUEZ: Unbekannter Befehl :-D |
| 22:55.34 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: bluetoothd should be running and bluetooth chip powered of course :) |
| 22:55.53 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Indeed. But I need simple-agent. :( |
| 22:56.55 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: wget the sources finally. It's a python script, no need to compile anything ;) |
| 22:56.59 | Xilent | no recharging or booting yet, let it plugged in this night, but no blinking signal |
| 22:57.19 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser_: Oh, in time... :P |
| 22:58.41 | mmontour | Xilent: if it's an early board revision (A5) and a completely-drained battery (low-voltage cutoff triggered) then you might need to "jump-start" the FR with another battery like a Nokia BL-5C |
| 23:01.19 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser_: I think I paired it... |
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| 23:04.10 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser_: Is there a simple way to confirm it's paired? |
| 23:04.39 | jOERG | arrrghh, everything FUBAR. Seems I killed BIP |
| 23:04.59 | Xilent | yeah my girlfriend has an bl5c |
| 23:06.57 | Dave | :X |
| 23:07.05 | Dave | uh oh |
| 23:07.09 | Dave | What have you broken now, Joerg? :D |
| 23:07.55 | jOERG | I sent a c&p of ""/usr/share/doc/packages/bluez"" and next line I sent was last one |
| 23:08.18 | Xilent | is there a way to get an later board in my freerunner |
| 23:08.26 | SpeedEvil | Xilent: board? |
| 23:08.32 | SpeedEvil | Xilent: for most definitions, no |
| 23:08.50 | jOERG | got a funny "[2009-03-19 23:41:43] [Fehler] USR/SHARE/DOC/PACKAGES/BLUEZ: Unbekannter Befehl" some minutes later |
| 23:09.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Xilent: Go to the hardware store, buy some lumber, cut it to size, and stick it in. :) |
| 23:10.05 | jOERG | Dave: now BIP refuses to register to IRC it seems |
| 23:10.21 | jOERG | PaulFertser: what's your status? |
| 23:10.35 | mmontour | Xilent: I can't remember all the details but try this first. Insert the BL-5C, boot to NOR u-boot, plug in USB, select "power off" from the u-boot menu, swap batteries, wait about 10 minutes |
| 23:11.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, whenever I move a desktop file to or from /usr/share/applications, illume doesn't refresh anymore... How do I fix that? |
| 23:11.10 | mmontour | The goal is to get the FR into a state where it has power and it has turned on the "charge" bit in the PMU. This will then supply enough current to the battery to bring it out of cutoff |
| 23:11.19 | *** part/#openmoko vivijim1 (n=vivijim@200.184.118.130) |
| 23:11.38 | mmontour | Once it has enough charge you can boot to Linux and let it charge regularly |
| 23:11.47 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG: the server is still fubared being overloaded by a stupid perl script :( |
| 23:12.01 | jOERG | away, waiting for things "to fix themselves" |
| 23:12.09 | Dave | :[ |
| 23:12.11 | Dave | magic? |
| 23:12.39 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: you usually can tell that by the headset behaviour. If it quit pairing mode, it paired. And script should not show any errors. |
| 23:13.12 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser_: Ahh, yeah. I was hoping for something more like play a sound to it, but I guess that'll do. LOL |
| 23:13.38 | Xilent | select or execute "power off" |
| 23:13.57 | mmontour | select + execute |
| 23:14.53 | PaulFertser_ | Digital_Pioneer: playing sound is complicated. Either you need a tricky state file or you need to change bluetooth chip eeprom... |
| 23:15.00 | Blu3 | digital_pioneer, hmm, odd. i just dealt with that for tangogps. illume wouldn't add it to my desktop until i added a line at the end to put it in the Office group |
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| 23:15.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Blu3: Yeah, well it not only won't display new icons, but won't remove old ones. |
| 23:16.07 | Blu3 | ahh. i haven't had that problem yet. if i rm a desktop file, it goes away |
| 23:18.58 | jOERG | Dave: nah, waiting for PaulFertser_ 's sysop |
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| 23:21.55 | Dave | ah, okay :) |
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| 23:22.00 | Dave | yeah, don't you guys use the same service? |
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| 23:22.15 | Dave | irc |
| 23:22.26 | vininim | so which beta should I test first? cupcake or first branch? =P |
| 23:22.46 | Dave | hah! |
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| 23:27.24 | vininim | tries cupcake first |
| 23:27.29 | vininim | i told u i was hardcore |
| 23:27.31 | Dave | fatty :p |
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| 23:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | ping |
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