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| 00:14.00 | Fougner | haha |
| 00:14.03 | Fougner | whatta.. |
| 00:15.42 | SeligArkin | Can I have some more giggledrops? |
| 00:16.31 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r45de176c379e 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix typo, thanks Ronan Daniellou |
| 00:16.42 | Fougner | mwester-laptop, "this is a Pentium .44, the most powerful cpu inte the world" :D |
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| 03:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: your pillow ;) |
| 03:53.07 | SeligArkin | what about it? |
| 03:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's still here :D |
| 03:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | throws pillow back |
| 03:53.42 | SeligArkin | hehe |
| 03:53.49 | SeligArkin | lays her head on it |
| 03:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, you missed it so you couldn't sleep |
| 03:54.24 | SeligArkin | hehe |
| 03:54.35 | SeligArkin | throws DocScrutinizer a spare pillow |
| 03:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 03:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | :D |
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| 04:41.05 | Quinn_Storm | so, I stuck a sim with signal (but data only) in my bv4 and I do show a connection but how do I get gprs turned on in shr? what do I have to do? |
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| 04:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | nothing on wiki? |
| 04:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 04:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | early dawning, time to sleep |
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| 05:11.14 | rhkfin | slaxxin: I guess you have an empty line (=newline) in the beginning (=line 1) and it doesn't like it (=unexpected) |
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| 06:11.44 | Blu3 | is there a mail app that works with SSL/TLS? |
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| 06:42.19 | bootup | anything i should know before ordering a 850 version phone for NJ (USA) user? i'm about to submit my cc# to sdgsystems.com for one... $386.41 is my total. can't afford it- but .... somehow about it to get it anyway. |
| 06:43.27 | bootup | i was also wondering what th cheapest cell plan i can get for it is and from who... |
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| 06:46.36 | mmontour | Read the mailing list archives. Don't order the phone until you have a good idea of the current state of the software and hardware. It's not "end-user-ready" yet. |
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| 06:48.02 | bootup | mmontour not too concerned. i know it is a developer phone. i figure i can always switch out the software if need be. |
| 06:48.41 | mmontour | OK, just want to make sure you know what you're getting. There are lots of software options to choose from |
| 06:48.45 | raster | bootup: happy with slow data? |
| 06:49.00 | bootup | slow data? |
| 06:49.06 | raster | plain 2g |
| 06:49.15 | bootup | do you want to know what i have now? |
| 06:49.18 | raster | as opposed to edge or 3g (umts, hspa etc.) |
| 06:49.25 | bootup | haha- ok |
| 06:49.29 | bootup | let me tell you what i have now |
| 06:49.52 | raster | 2g (gprs) on the gta02 will maybe max out at 40mbit - if u are lucky |
| 06:49.57 | raster | errl kbit |
| 06:49.59 | raster | sorry |
| 06:50.03 | raster | 20kbit is more likely |
| 06:50.55 | bootup | i have a 5 year old LG vx3100 with a b/w screen and have never used the data features beyond SMS |
| 06:51.13 | raster | aaah |
| 06:51.31 | raster | you use your phone a lot? |
| 06:51.36 | raster | rely on it? |
| 06:51.36 | bootup | i'm actually more interested in the 802.11 |
| 06:52.12 | bootup | i do rely on it for receiving business calls- is it reasonably reliable? |
| 06:52.46 | raster | dont trust your business on it |
| 06:53.04 | raster | its not that level of reliability |
| 06:53.10 | bootup | i'm actually planning to use it to replace my palm m5xx series that i've been replacing year after year with old models (since nobody has put out anything better since ) |
| 06:53.14 | raster | more a matter of software + gsm firmware |
| 06:53.35 | bootup | well- i'm still not convinced |
| 06:53.38 | bootup | i mean- how bad is it? |
| 06:53.58 | bootup | if the basic phone calls come through usually .... that's enough for me. |
| 06:54.27 | raster | dont get rid of your old phone |
| 06:54.30 | raster | thats my advice4 |
| 06:54.32 | raster | :) |
| 06:54.32 | bootup | i take it the software on it isn't the problem? |
| 06:54.46 | bootup | hmm why are you telling me this |
| 06:54.47 | bootup | err |
| 06:54.50 | raster | thats part of the problem |
| 06:54.57 | raster | as well as the gsm firmware |
| 06:55.05 | raster | you want to do research |
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| 06:55.16 | raster | check the state of the freerunner software right now |
| 06:55.18 | bootup | i thought it was at a pretty acceptable point |
| 06:55.26 | raster | i actually havent kept up with the absolute latest |
| 06:55.39 | bootup | aww- i think i'd like to get it and try it for myself |
| 06:55.41 | raster | the problem is you have lots of choices |
| 06:55.42 | raster | android |
| 06:55.46 | raster | qte |
| 06:55.49 | raster | 2008.x |
| 06:55.52 | raster | or shr |
| 06:55.57 | raster | (and other variations) |
| 06:56.00 | bootup | yea- but the neo freerunner is like the phone to get |
| 06:56.01 | raster | those are the major ones |
| 06:56.07 | raster | each has its quirks/problems |
| 06:56.08 | mmontour | There have been some recent fixes to the GSM firmware that should help the reliabilty a lot. |
| 06:56.22 | bootup | it's based on the openmoko project which aims to be a 'free' phone |
| 06:56.42 | raster | umm |
| 06:56.45 | raster | openmoko is a company |
| 06:56.47 | raster | not a project |
| 06:56.58 | raster | the freerunner is their 2nd phone they made and actually sold |
| 06:57.23 | raster | there is an openmoko "distro" in openembedded |
| 06:57.26 | bootup | hmm wait.. let me think about this. |
| 06:57.30 | raster | which is a derivation of angstomr |
| 06:57.41 | raster | that distro is intended to work well on the openmoko gta01/02 |
| 06:57.52 | raster | (02 == freeunner. 01 == neo 1973) |
| 06:58.03 | bootup | Openmoko⢠is a project dedicated to delivering mobile phones with an open source software stack. Openmoko is currently selling the Neo FreeRunner phone to advanced users and will start selling it to the general public as soon as the software is more developed. |
| 06:58.22 | bootup | did i miss something ? |
| 06:58.24 | mmontour | If you need your phone for business then I recommend keeping your old phone and buying a cheap prepaid SIM to go with the Freerunner (until you're satisfied with the reliability). |
| 06:58.37 | raster | yup |
| 06:58.41 | bootup | mmontour that's actually what i was thinking |
| 06:58.54 | raster | if u want the freerunner as a toy to hack with that u can kinda use for calls - then do it |
| 06:58.59 | raster | audio quality is still a big issue |
| 06:59.19 | raster | buzzing still is an issue i believe that requires soldering to fix - right? |
| 06:59.19 | bootup | hmm is it really that bad? hmm dang. |
| 06:59.30 | raster | and generally audio is bad - echoey, low volume |
| 06:59.45 | raster | so you cant hear others/they cant hear u unless you are in a dead quiet room |
| 06:59.59 | raster | but that may have improved slightly with fiddling with alsa settings |
| 07:00.15 | raster | but u will always have a level of echo just due to hardware design - the case is hollow and echoey |
| 07:00.24 | raster | thys allowing audio to leak from speaker to mic |
| 07:00.52 | mmontour | There was a big improvement in the echo problem when someone found an undocumented Calypso command to turn on echo suppression |
| 07:01.04 | raster | mmontour: aaah awesome |
| 07:01.23 | mmontour | "suppression" = it mutes the microphone below a certain threshold. It's not perfect |
| 07:01.24 | eolson | has no echo problems anymore, either -- recent distros (fso for example) have this fix included |
| 07:01.33 | bootup | hmm i thought i'd actually be able to use this as a phone. i'm not sure i want to shell out almost $400 for a wifi handheld. |
| 07:02.00 | mmontour | You can probably get a used one for around $250 |
| 07:02.07 | raster | bootup: if u want a toy - get it |
| 07:02.09 | bootup | where? |
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| 07:02.15 | raster | but beware what u are getting into |
| 07:02.25 | raster | bootup: ebay |
| 07:02.27 | mmontour | I've seen a few mailing-list posts, and there's a "Classifieds" page on the wiki |
| 07:02.37 | raster | also people keep selling theirs on the openmoko community mailing list |
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| 07:02.50 | raster | every few days ro so someone mails out "selling mine" |
| 07:03.09 | bootup | hmm probably not a good sign |
| 07:03.26 | Blu3 | mind you, any state of development with openmoko is likely to be more reliable than a windows based fone :-> |
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| 07:03.40 | bootup | even if i ended up just using it as a wifi device or handheld organizer $250 isn't so bad |
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| 07:04.00 | raster | Blu3: impirically i can tell you that that is wrong. even a windows phone is much more reliable. |
| 07:04.23 | Blu3 | i've had 3. they eat data, lock up, corrupt, crash, and do unexpected things constantly |
| 07:04.52 | Quinn_Storm | I'm gonna have to learn about enlightenment code and start working on the gadgets in the top shelf -- they are very glitchy when the shelf shrinks, way too small (the illume gadgets), and overall there are bugs with the top shelf's rendering, such as clock rendering atop arrow. also...there must be some way to get faster response than this |
| 07:04.59 | Quinn_Storm | the display is so slow |
| 07:05.08 | Blu3 | i've owned and held my gta2 for 12 hours and it's already proven more reliable |
| 07:05.23 | Quinn_Storm | (working on a gta01bv4 btw) |
| 07:05.43 | Quinn_Storm | also, is there some way to set up gprs settings in the latest shr? |
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| 07:06.29 | raster | Blu3: got a winmo6.1 one here... works like a charm. has yet to crash at all |
| 07:06.33 | raster | or lock up |
| 07:06.34 | eolson | i've also had 3 windows phones just die or have broken screens -- I haven't broken the openmoko phone yet, no screen protector, only dropped once. |
| 07:06.36 | raster | or lose data |
| 07:06.39 | raster | or drop a call |
| 07:06.45 | raster | or miss a call or sms etc. |
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| 07:08.10 | Blu3 | raster, you've got the anti-lemon win phone. i've had three different models based on w5 and w6 over the last three years. i place zero trust in them. |
| 07:08.50 | bootup | how does the g1 or any other 'open' phone compare with the neo freerunner? |
| 07:08.58 | Quinn_Storm | the g1 isn't open |
| 07:09.01 | bootup | in terms of 'openess'? |
| 07:09.03 | Quinn_Storm | you don't get root on i |
| 07:09.06 | Quinn_Storm | it^ |
| 07:09.07 | bootup | aww |
| 07:09.14 | Quinn_Storm | you would have to jailbreak it, and I think they closed the hole |
| 07:09.20 | Blu3 | my bf had a winfone too. daily reboots are required. the only problem i've run into w/ my FR is the mail app isn't working with SSL/TLS |
| 07:09.23 | bootup | well, which phones can you get that are 'open' |
| 07:10.22 | bootup | i'm not interested in another locked or 'unlocked' phone. i want' something completely open sourced-to the extent at least that the neo freerunner is - competitively anyway. |
| 07:10.40 | TeLLuS | shr-testing do not like my vcf phonebook. DbusAccessScripts no not seam to work for me. Was fine to import in Om1008.12. Only sim phonebook in shr-testing!? |
| 07:10.41 | eolson | raster, have you lost calls with fso 4 or fso 5? |
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| 07:12.38 | raster | eolson: i havent use them as the audio quality was so awful i wouldnt trust my sim card in it to actually be able to make a call |
| 07:12.49 | raster | i have used it at times as a phone and it totally failed on all the counts |
| 07:12.55 | raster | eg suspended and didnt wake up |
| 07:12.59 | raster | answeredf call and no audio |
| 07:13.14 | raster | or answered and i couldnt hear other party enough to know what was being said and vice/versa |
| 07:13.28 | raster | (was in a bar - and all my other phones are usable in such noise situations - except gta02) |
| 07:13.35 | eolson | raster, sound is great for me -- I have had the no sound problem about 3 times in the last 3 or 4 months |
| 07:13.50 | raster | so after several tries to use it as my main phone i just relegated it to a toy yo hack with |
| 07:14.44 | Quinn_Storm | isn't even sure what kind of hacking she wants to do on her gta01...agrees, at the moment its no daily use phone |
| 07:15.55 | eolson | raster, I do have to keep the window closed on the highway when talking on it (so max volume is probably less than other phones) but otherwise have good sound. Haven't tried in bars -- probably also bad |
| 07:16.42 | raster | eolson: i tend to find myself.. in bars a lot |
| 07:16.47 | raster | and the gta02 was unusable |
| 07:16.58 | raster | other phones i have had and do have are "just" usable |
| 07:17.01 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, odd, the lite image I flashed to its nand is better in some ways than the 'full' image I stuck on its sd |
| 07:17.04 | raster | gta02 just falls a bit too low there |
| 07:17.26 | raster | Quinn_Storm: sd card io is attrociously slow |
| 07:17.37 | raster | even flash is incredibly slow |
| 07:17.39 | raster | 2-3m/sec |
| 07:17.42 | raster | sd io is worse |
| 07:17.44 | raster | < 1m/s |
| 07:17.48 | Quinn_Storm | I see |
| 07:17.52 | rhkfin | feels like raster's not happy with Freerunner :) |
| 07:17.58 | eolson | raster, :) ah, well that would be a problem if gta02 is not loud enough in a bar |
| 07:18.00 | rhkfin | Many others are :) |
| 07:18.00 | Quinn_Storm | the nand image also had some extra options when I started it for the first time |
| 07:18.40 | eolson | raster, mind sharing your current daily phone? |
| 07:18.58 | eolson | the model that is |
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| 07:20.23 | eolson | just curious, cause I can't see myself getting a different phone -- no other phones let me do as much as the neo |
| 07:21.42 | raster | eolson: samsung i780 |
| 07:22.53 | eolson | cool, thanks, always good to compare |
| 07:23.21 | Quinn_Storm | eolson: what are you running on your neo right now? (I imagine its the freerunner right?) |
| 07:23.58 | bootup | raster i just lost all respect for you |
| 07:23.59 | eolson | it's gta01 -- running fso 4 -- i've been meaning to upgrade to fso 5, just been too busy |
| 07:24.11 | Quinn_Storm | ok, I'm trying experimental fso builds...fso4 is good? |
| 07:24.15 | Quinn_Storm | can you get gprs on it? |
| 07:25.28 | eolson | fso 4 is ok, i think fso 5 is probably more stable (also should do with gsm firmware update) |
| 07:25.36 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, already did the firmware update |
| 07:25.43 | Quinn_Storm | in fact I figured out how to fix a broken gta01 |
| 07:26.03 | Quinn_Storm | well, I was the guinea pig |
| 07:26.07 | Quinn_Storm | other smart ppl in here figured it out |
| 07:26.24 | Quinn_Storm | I could try going all the way back to 5 from this experimental release |
| 07:27.26 | eolson | cool. gprs works with fso 4 -- i have the multiplexing bug if I try to load too many things at once (gsm hang/crash_ -- it's a known bug that was fixed at some point, but I can't say which distro download has that fix |
| 07:27.28 | raster | bootup: dude... its a good piece of hardware. |
| 07:27.35 | raster | bootup: and it also can run linux :) |
| 07:27.41 | raster | bootup: i'm waiting to get my sources for it |
| 07:28.03 | bootup | raster it runs a microsoft product... ! |
| 07:28.22 | Quinn_Storm | I imagine you could make WM run on the gta01/02 too if you wanted |
| 07:28.28 | bootup | i mean- i feel guilty about having a cell phone ... and having a palm pilot... but seriously a ms phone? no way. |
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| 07:28.55 | raster | bootup: http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/limo-linux-on-three-phones/14497732 |
| 07:29.07 | eolson | Quinn_Storm, so basically I turn image loading off with midori and hit stop before I hit a new url (man I need to try upgrading fso) |
| 07:29.31 | bootup | raster you missed the whole point |
| 07:29.52 | Quinn_Storm | cool, the latest images don't have good gprs setup stuff, I'll try downloading the v5 image |
| 07:29.57 | bootup | raster adapting a phone designed to run ms products is just contributing to the problem... |
| 07:30.07 | Quinn_Storm | I have the SIM in it right now out of my datacard so its a data only plan |
| 07:30.25 | rhkfin | Quinn_Storm: what distro are you trying? For daily use I'd recommend 2008.12 (+kustomizer) |
| 07:30.50 | Quinn_Storm | SHRv5 |
| 07:30.56 | Quinn_Storm | and what's 'kustomizer'? |
| 07:31.04 | eolson | Quinn_Storm, ok, but fyi, I just run the start gprs script from the wiki |
| 07:31.08 | Quinn_Storm | ah |
| 07:31.16 | Quinn_Storm | doesn't know much about 2008.12/kustomizer |
| 07:31.22 | rhkfin | script to install required stuff: http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openmoko.org%2Fwiki%2FKustomizer&ei=uVG_SYq7OJPN-QbB8PioDw&usg=AFQjCNGgCewINCbHL524eiuVognNALY3Xw&sig2=kwujadtKWRNc6oHj8Twe4g |
| 07:31.24 | raster | bootup: its not DESIGNEd to run ms stuff |
| 07:31.26 | rhkfin | oops.. |
| 07:31.32 | rhkfin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer |
| 07:31.33 | CVirus | raster: sexy stuff in this video |
| 07:31.34 | raster | its an arm system just with stnadard components |
| 07:31.49 | raster | you write a few drivers for the less standard and bingo |
| 07:31.55 | bootup | raster: it comes with ms software? |
| 07:31.55 | raster | its no different |
| 07:32.10 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: btw, SHR unstable is based on FSO git HEAD, so i'd suggest to go with that. |
| 07:32.20 | rhkfin | Any idea of runnning that LiMo stuff on Freerunner? |
| 07:32.21 | bootup | raster if the thing has a ms logo on it- it's designed for ms by my standard. |
| 07:32.22 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: if you plan to hack, that is. |
| 07:32.33 | Quinn_Storm | what should I try to just make some use of the device? |
| 07:32.39 | raster | bootup: let me put it this way... i know people... and i have a lot of "stuff" for modifying software on samsung devices. |
| 07:32.40 | raster | :) |
| 07:32.47 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: 2008.x is a dead-born derivative of qtopia ported to X. |
| 07:32.49 | Quinn_Storm | PaulFert`: er, should I build FSO git HEAD you mean? |
| 07:32.55 | Quinn_Storm | I see |
| 07:33.02 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i guess you'd build SHR unstable |
| 07:33.05 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: but it works.. I know it's dead but.. it works.. |
| 07:33.10 | raster | in the end is no different to a pc in that way |
| 07:33.11 | Quinn_Storm | already installed SHR unstable on it |
| 07:33.16 | raster | u can then think that if u buy any pc or laptop |
| 07:33.19 | raster | it is made to run windows |
| 07:33.22 | raster | its the same thing |
| 07:33.26 | raster | no different |
| 07:33.28 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: i use FSO HEAD for more than 2 month, it works too. |
| 07:33.28 | rhkfin | has never tried SHR and can't say anything about it.. |
| 07:33.36 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: ok :) |
| 07:33.37 | bootup | raster true. sadly. |
| 07:34.08 | eolson | raster, are you saying openmoko should make a laptop :) |
| 07:34.15 | rhkfin | raster: bootup there are computers without windows logos on them and without windows.... |
| 07:34.41 | bootup | raster another reason i avoid to the extent possible buying products with ms affiliations and/or ms software. |
| 07:34.44 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: really, the community effort is focused on SHR now. Looks like it's the way to go. Or you can install Debian and enjoy tweaking lxde, writing your own dialer (or using lindi-'s Kapula) etc. It'll be still FSO-based. |
| 07:34.59 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 07:35.04 | Quinn_Storm | ok, I'll stick with the SHR image |
| 07:35.11 | Quinn_Storm | wish we had something other than a script for gprs |
| 07:35.14 | rhkfin | Agree, SHR is the way to go |
| 07:35.22 | Quinn_Storm | I'd also like to get back that nifty click on tap |
| 07:35.22 | raster | bootup: samsung make phones with a wide variety of operating system |
| 07:35.29 | Quinn_Storm | made it so much easier to know when it recognized a tap |
| 07:35.29 | rhkfin | Quinn_Storm: opkg.org just received a gui from someone for gprs |
| 07:35.33 | raster | they have actually been doing linux phones for several years |
| 07:35.37 | Quinn_Storm | rhkfin: cool |
| 07:35.40 | Blu3 | some are more aimed at windows than other operating systems. things like the bios and acpi tables are perverted |
| 07:35.40 | Blu3 | but intelligence prevails and *nix people adapt and overcome |
| 07:35.44 | raster | the i780 is just plain good hardware |
| 07:35.50 | bootup | rhkfin ohh yea? other than a few netbooks there aren't any notebooks that come without ms windows logos on the keyboard with the exception of the older generation lenovo/ibms. toshibia and some others just move the ms key to an usual spot. |
| 07:35.51 | raster | its slip, has excellent batery life |
| 07:35.53 | raster | a qwretry kbd |
| 07:35.56 | raster | a decent screen |
| 07:35.58 | raster | 3g, wifi |
| 07:36.09 | raster | AND... it already has a linux port |
| 07:36.20 | raster | and one that is not from a bunch of reverse-engineered hackers |
| 07:36.58 | bootup | raster: i know they do. that doesn't change the fact if you buy a phone with ms windows mobile and adapt it/modify it for gnu/linux that you aren't contributing to ms and reducing the pressure of manufacturers to support gnu/liux and open source. |
| 07:37.42 | raster | i didnt' buy mine |
| 07:37.42 | raster | :) |
| 07:37.48 | raster | people tend to hand me these things |
| 07:38.11 | bootup | raster: if you don't sell it you are contributor the ms monopoly and proprietary software. |
| 07:38.23 | raster | i will say tho win mobile is an annoying piece of shit |
| 07:38.27 | raster | it pisses me off |
| 07:38.31 | raster | but it is reliable and works |
| 07:38.44 | raster | bootup: ooh ptoohey |
| 07:38.53 | Blu3 | is that the only wimo fone you've had? |
| 07:38.58 | raster | Blu3: yes. |
| 07:39.01 | raster | its 6.1 |
| 07:39.11 | raster | and so far reliable is something i'd use to describe it |
| 07:39.13 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: actually it's a dbus call to activate GPRS. Probably it's already used by shr-settings. If not, you can add a button there... |
| 07:39.17 | raster | but its ui is generally crappy |
| 07:39.23 | raster | as is ui workflow |
| 07:39.30 | Blu3 | you should try some others. wimo and reliable don't go in the same paragraph |
| 07:39.45 | Quinn_Storm | PaulFert`: I don't know much at all about the layout of SHR, I just started looking at the current state of OM software |
| 07:40.56 | raster | Blu3: maybe its more a matter of the vendor, not winmo? |
| 07:40.58 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: SHR is a community effort that is using FSO as a middleware. |
| 07:41.08 | raster | ie they likely write extra software/.drivers for their device |
| 07:41.23 | raster | and those are just badly done |
| 07:41.46 | Blu3 | most of my problems are wimo centric |
| 07:42.15 | raster | whihc versions? |
| 07:42.27 | Blu3 | from 5.0 to 6.1 |
| 07:43.29 | Blu3 | i gotta wander off to bed, cheers |
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| 07:46.43 | raster | hmm |
| 07:46.51 | raster | well 6.1 on this i780 has been reliable |
| 07:47.02 | raster | i need to get linux on it... waiting on that |
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| 07:53.04 | spaetz | PaulFert`: I see that dos1 improved the gprs part of shr-settings yesterday |
| 07:53.31 | PaulFert` | spaetz: cool. Too bad i don't use SHR :( |
| 07:54.34 | spaetz | :) |
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| 07:58.31 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: I added your instructions (slightly altered) to the wiki page. |
| 07:59.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:21.48 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: I've altered GSM/Flashing page a lot. Could you please review it? |
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| 08:27.08 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: Could you please check if "normal" instructions from the updated GSM/Flashing page work for you? |
| 08:27.37 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: I've altered GSM/Flashing page a lot. Could you please review it? |
| 08:27.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: Could you please check if "normal" instructions from the updated GSM/Flashing page work for you? |
| 08:29.14 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: no need to reflash any distro, just kill ophonekitd and proceed as described on the wiki. |
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| 08:41.00 | PaulFert` | Probably sleep mode kicks in... |
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| 08:43.52 | PaulFert` | Ok, looks like stty settings are needed after all. |
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| 08:53.24 | PaulFert` | Verified now that updated instructions work for me every time i try. Probably there's no difference with gta01. |
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| 12:00.30 | PaulFert` | anttna: Do you celebrate St. Patrick's? |
| 12:01.38 | anttna | Hi, well it is normal to go to mass (church) in the morning, I don't. Then it is normal to go to seea band in a parade ( |
| 12:01.56 | anttna | ooops i hadn't finished hold on |
| 12:02.38 | anttna | then get pissed in a pub and maybe have a riot in between |
| 12:06.21 | anttna | Or there are a few sports events on like schools rugby and gaelic finals, the al-ireland senior club gaelic football and hurling finals are also on in Dublin, which I have gone to see in past years but not this year, although one of my county's clubs are in the final. I was involved in building traditional boats and I might go now to see if there is anyone going out for a row. How about you? |
| 12:06.44 | anttna | I was joking about the riot, but it does happen from time to time |
| 12:08.13 | anttna | Actuall some of the boats we make are currachs, and St. Patrick was taken from Wales by the Irish as a slave in a similar boat |
| 12:08.24 | tig| | hmm St Patricks day here means I get to tell my ancient crap St Patrick joke : |
| 12:08.29 | PaulFert` | anttna: i'm going to stay at home, practice flute a bit (not irish), soldering a bit. Maybe read. Though it's usually celebrated in Moscow too, with parade and stuff. Concerts of irish music in clubs etc. |
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| 12:08.50 | anttna | http://www.loughneaghboats.org/home.html |
| 12:08.51 | SpeedEvil | green beverages? |
| 12:09.22 | anttna | There are lots of irish music sessions on too, I forgot about that |
| 12:10.04 | tig| | What did St Patrick say when he drove all the snakes out of Ireland? "Are ye alright in the back there?" |
| 12:10.22 | anttna | tig| :) |
| 12:10.39 | tig| | sorry :) |
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| 12:13.43 | anttna | Well as snakes are slow moving they never got to Ireland before the land connections to the rest of Europe were covered by the rising water from the melting ice |
| 12:14.53 | madwoota | snakes can swim |
| 12:16.30 | anttna | not in the irish sea they cant, very strong tides |
| 12:20.37 | tig| | would be a big cold for them too |
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| 12:27.29 | rhkfin | didn't remember joining #animal-channel :) |
| 12:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
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| 12:30.28 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: good morning :) |
| 12:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: you failed on turingtest on first try |
| 12:31.01 | rhkfin | oh.. hmm.. moo..? |
| 12:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | nobody types that fast |
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| 12:38.36 | tig| | woof |
| 12:45.21 | anttna | Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona daoibh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCbuRA_D3KU |
| 12:47.44 | husku | no snakes in ireland? wtf :D |
| 12:50.26 | husku | always nice to learn something new. |
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| 13:20.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Yo. What's the state of affairs as far as headphones go? |
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| 13:21.47 | PaulFert` | Digital_Pioneer: bluetooth or wired? |
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| 13:21.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Wired |
| 13:22.26 | Digital_Pioneer | I just bought a new pair, and they come with a 2.5mm adaptor. |
| 13:22.36 | PaulFert` | Digital_Pioneer: for GSM or music? |
| 13:22.54 | Digital_Pioneer | They have no mic, so just for music. |
| 13:23.06 | Zorkman_ | Digital_Pioneer: if using wired headphoes you will get bad bass |
| 13:23.16 | Zorkman_ | unless you have done the fix |
| 13:23.39 | PaulFert` | Digital_Pioneer: also please not that most headphones even with 2.5mm have incompatible pin-out (so you need to rewire it properly). |
| 13:23.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, so the fix is a hardware mod? |
| 13:24.18 | Zorkman_ | jup |
| 13:24.22 | Zorkman_ | bt headphones have nice bass$ |
| 13:24.26 | PaulFert` | Digital_Pioneer: and mic in the headphones doesn't matter as it will buzz the hell out of the other party anyway most probably. So you can use any headphones and internal FR mic. |
| 13:24.41 | PaulFert` | Digital_Pioneer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix |
| 13:24.47 | anttna | if anyone is interested you can watch some of the sports here. I think they are live (but they are in Gaeilge (Irish)) http://tg4.ie/bearla/scei/beo.asp |
| 13:24.48 | anttna | apologies for going off topic |
| 13:25.27 | SeligArkin | wanders in |
| 13:25.50 | PaulFert` | Your browser Mozilla is not supported. |
| 13:25.50 | PaulFert` | This service currently available for |
| 13:25.50 | PaulFert` | Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher, |
| 13:26.12 | PaulFert` | Fuck, it was meant to be a one line to illustrate the stupidity. |
| 13:26.27 | tig|1 | PaulFert`: ooooh how 1990s of them :) |
| 13:26.55 | PaulFert` | tig|1: Netscape version 7.0 or higher and FireFox version 1.0 or higher. |
| 13:27.37 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFert`: Isn't that nice? A site made by morons for morons. :) |
| 13:27.41 | PaulFert` | anttna: That said, i can't understand how to watch the sports online. Can you share a direct link? |
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| 13:28.18 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFert`: So how about BT? Has it become relatively useable? |
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| 13:28.30 | anttna | PaulFert: Oh heck I never thought maybe it only works with windows - sorry |
| 13:29.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Has anyone figured out how to pair stuff yet, that is... :P |
| 13:29.53 | tig|1 | it can be done but I don't think there is a gui |
| 13:30.08 | tig|1 | and I would think it would suffer the same bass problem |
| 13:31.23 | Zorkman_ | Digital_Pioneer: it worked perfect for me with bluez 3.33 |
| 13:31.31 | Zorkman_ | with bluz4 it worked one day, and now i can't pair anymore :( |
| 13:32.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm. :( |
| 13:33.22 | Digital_Pioneer | tig|1: Bluetooth doesn't have the bass problem, fortunately. |
| 13:33.54 | tig|1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. |
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| 13:34.45 | tig|1 | that is good to hear (literally) then :) |
| 13:34.55 | Digital_Pioneer | The headphone problem is something about a capacitor in the wrong place or something, I'm not sure, but the bluetooth doesn't go through it. |
| 13:35.11 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, haha |
| 13:35.14 | SpeedEvil | wrong value |
| 13:35.24 | SpeedEvil | it works fine for voice, but not so well for bass-heavy music |
| 13:35.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Meanwhile, if only I could get ReMoko working, I'd have a reason to even HAVE bluetooth... :\ |
| 13:36.00 | SpeedEvil | remoko? |
| 13:36.11 | SpeedEvil | isn't keeping up ad the back |
| 13:36.17 | tig|1 | I had remoko running a while ago but not recently, I was controlling mythtv with it :) |
| 13:36.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 13:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 13:36.39 | Zorkman_ | Digital_Pioneer: if you use bluez4, remoko doesn't yet supports that |
| 13:36.45 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't. |
| 13:36.48 | Digital_Pioneer | 3.33 |
| 13:37.05 | Zorkman_ | strange... remoko worked on 3.33 for me |
| 13:37.12 | Zorkman_ | which distro do you use? |
| 13:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | reminds me of another mod for FR, to add IrDA |
| 13:37.15 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: i didn'g have any problem with pairing with bluez4 |
| 13:37.34 | Digital_Pioneer | SHR-unstable |
| 13:37.40 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: i didn't have the first time, but lately i get (/me searches for a fex ses): |
| 13:38.12 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: http://pastebin.com/d1cdc4ed1 |
| 13:38.12 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: probably because it's already paired? |
| 13:38.18 | Zorkman_ | (i emailed it to the list, but nobody replied) |
| 13:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | S/N getting too high on almost all lists |
| 13:38.55 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: hcid is bluez3 |
| 13:39.26 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: remove bluez-utils |
| 13:39.27 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: and bluez-utils-compat |
| 13:39.35 | Zorkman_ | but it worked with those installed.... |
| 13:39.39 | Zorkman_ | anyway i will try iit |
| 13:39.54 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: either you use bluez4 or bluez3, not both. I'd not mix them. |
| 13:40.12 | Zorkman_ | check |
| 13:40.19 | Digital_Pioneer | With my Remoko, when I connect, even remoko knows it, but then it bugs out and says bluetooth is off... :\ |
| 13:40.23 | Zorkman_ | it's just strange that it DID work... |
| 13:40.40 | Digital_Pioneer | http://code.google.com/p/remoko/issues/detail?id=1 My output is at the bottom of that page, if anyone knows how to fix that. |
| 13:40.44 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: i guess simple-agent is from bluez4 so it's not supposed to work. |
| 13:41.11 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: it worked with simple-agent, and i need it because i use bluez4 |
| 13:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | bluez-alsa terribly sucked a year ago btw, for SCO. A twinkle user gone back to btsco instead of blues |
| 13:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah this isn't about sco I know |
| 13:42.41 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: you started hcid and it's from bluez3, so no surprise it doesn't work with simple-agent. |
| 13:43.01 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: i removed the packages you said, and now, when I use shr-settings to power on bluetooth, i can't turn visibility on anymore, the sliders automatically goes back to "off" |
| 13:43.04 | Zorkman_ | maybe i need to reboot |
| 13:44.10 | SeligArkin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.34 | Zorkman_ | say the word SeligArkin! |
| 13:44.47 | SeligArkin | Zorkman_: Dave said to ask you about lulu. :P |
| 13:44.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I've gotta run. Later, all. |
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| 13:50.18 | Zorkman_ | mm i want to opkg force-reinstall all the bluez4 stuff, but i always get a segmentation fault :( |
| 13:50.45 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: that's what we get for using a crappy package manager :( |
| 13:50.57 | Zorkman_ | yeah i really hate opkg :( |
| 13:51.13 | SeligArkin | I wish the dialer and stuff used by shr was in the debian repo |
| 13:51.51 | SeligArkin | zhone is not very good, it seems toplay a sound to tell me I have a new text message, but when I look, none are there... |
| 13:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | XD |
| 13:52.17 | Zorkman_ | SeligArkin: zhone was just meant to be a demo app |
| 13:52.21 | SeligArkin | indeed |
| 13:52.36 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: agree |
| 13:52.49 | Zorkman_ | paroli should solve those problems, but i don't really trust what paroli is doing... (reinventing the wheel...) |
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| 13:53.26 | henk | i haven't really understood what paroli is all about... another framework? |
| 13:54.15 | dent | also wonders |
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| 13:58.22 | PaulFert` | henk: try to read the description at the official site. |
| 13:58.56 | henk | PaulFert`: i did... |
| 14:00.15 | henk | PaulFert`: at first i thought, it was a 'phone gui' like zhone but done properly. the description sounds more like it is a framework to develop applications. but i'm not sure... |
| 14:00.16 | PaulFert` | henk: if i understand it correctly, the idea is to closer integrate apps in the same python process (to speed up the things a bit). |
| 14:00.56 | henk | wow great... what we needed all the time. i hope someone will soon do that for ruby, php and perl too! |
| 14:01.35 | Zorkman_ | but why is it fullscreen only? reinventing things like battery app? things that are already in iillume? |
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| 14:02.59 | dent | henk: with brainfuck and whitespace coming next year? :) |
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| 14:03.59 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: you read my "interview" with Mirko, didn't you? I think there's no more sense in talking about that. OM-the-company is crap, now almost everybody knows that, no point in repeating it all the time. |
| 14:04.00 | henk | they are still missing! how about a framework for c applications? ah wait, no need to optimize... good python seems to have become the primary language for such high-end devices as the openmoko. really makes sense to me... |
| 14:04.23 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: you're right |
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| 14:05.28 | PaulFert` | henk: framework can be used from any application, because of D-bus interface. Moreover someday a vala reimplementation will probably arrive that will hopefully fix performance problems. |
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| 14:11.20 | henk | PaulFert`: you are talking about the fso framework right? i'm talking about paroli... |
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| 14:12.03 | PaulFert` | henk: i see, paroli is another topic; time will tell if it's a good idea after all. |
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| 14:15.53 | henk | PaulFert`: probably... |
| 14:18.58 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: you think it would be safe to opkg remove -recursive bluez4 |
| 14:19.03 | Zorkman_ | and then reinstall it? |
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| 14:20.12 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: can't say anything about opkg |
| 14:20.15 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: sorry |
| 14:22.04 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: do you want to revert to bluez3? Why? It's unsupported by the main authors anyway... |
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| 14:24.12 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: no i want to reinstall all my bluez4 stuff |
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| 14:42.51 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: you have some time to look at my bluetooth problem? |
| 14:49.56 | Zorkman_ | if anybody else has some experience with bluez4; could you take a look at this?: http://pastebin.com/db12704d |
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| 16:47.52 | PaulFert` | Zorkman: looks like you don't have bluetoothd running? |
| 16:50.22 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: i enabled it in shr-settings |
| 16:51.14 | Zorkman_ | but in /etc/init.d/ i don't have a bluetoothd, is this normal?. |
| 16:51.21 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: hm, it doesn't say anything to me. Just check if bluetoothd running or not. |
| 16:51.50 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: i don't know how it's packaged in OE, so can't say for sure. Check the package file list. |
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| 16:52.51 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 16:54.28 | Zorkman_ | PaulFert`: it isn't running (or i can't find it anyway) |
| 16:55.30 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: then run it. I guess it should be run on startup anyway, and FSO only enables/disables power of BT chip. |
| 16:56.27 | Zorkman_ | how do i run it? PaulFert`? |
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| 16:58.20 | Elleo | Zorkman_: sounds like you want to install the bluez package |
| 16:58.34 | Zorkman_ | Elleo: i think I already have it |
| 16:58.57 | Zorkman_ | Elleo: http://pastebin.com/db12704d |
| 16:59.24 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: you're supposed to view file list of bluez4 package |
| 16:59.37 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: from that you'll know the name of init.d script. |
| 16:59.48 | Elleo | it's /etc/init.d/bluetooth |
| 16:59.52 | Elleo | not /etc/init.d/bluetoothd |
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| 17:17.31 | Zorkman_ | Elleo: -sh: /etc/init.d/bluetooth: not found |
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| 17:19.29 | tig|1 | on FSO testing, does the screen start strobing and refreshing in and very bad way like a tv losing vertical sync after a while for anyone else? |
| 17:24.24 | PaulFert` | Zorkman_: can't you find the script? |
| 17:27.03 | Zorkman_ | yes |
| 17:27.09 | Zorkman_ | it seems there was something wrong with my bluez4 |
| 17:27.14 | Zorkman_ | the script was not there |
| 17:27.21 | Zorkman_ | i tried opkg install bluez4 -force-reinstall |
| 17:27.30 | Zorkman_ | but opkg always just "terminated" |
| 17:27.42 | Zorkman_ | i opkg removed with -force-depends bluez4 |
| 17:27.47 | Zorkman_ | and then reinstalled it |
| 17:27.50 | Zorkman_ | now it works again |
| 17:27.54 | Zorkman_ | (although choppy :)) |
| 17:27.55 | SeligArkin | hmmm |
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| 17:30.27 | SeligArkin | damn |
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| 17:31.00 | Zorkman_ | what is is SeligArkin? |
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| 17:31.24 | SeligArkin | I was looking up the status of getting the shr tools into debian |
| 17:31.43 | SeligArkin | "ASAP" as of nov 25, 2008 |
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| 18:01.10 | SeligArkin | I am going to do something rather stupid possibly |
| 18:02.25 | SeligArkin | chroots into /mnt/flash and trys running openmoko-dialer |
| 18:02.47 | SeligArkin | hmmm |
| 18:05.35 | SeligArkin | is determined |
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| 18:07.39 | Sharwin_F | I've flashed the last shr-unstable image and I get a bunch of icons from E, but the apps are not installed (xmms, audacity, xine, etc) |
| 18:07.42 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: so, have you paired you headset? |
| 18:07.54 | Sharwin_F | how can I disable them? there aren't any desktop file on /usr/share/applications |
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| 18:12.12 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: yes |
| 18:12.19 | Zorkman_ | it works onces again |
| 18:12.25 | Zorkman_ | but for some reason it's very choppy |
| 18:12.32 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: A2DP? |
| 18:12.57 | Zorkman_ | yes |
| 18:13.26 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: can it be that some resampling and heavy is going on which is simply slow on fpu-less SoC? |
| 18:13.43 | PaulFertser | s/heavy/heavy coding/ |
| 18:14.09 | SpeedEvil | I can't believe that the SoC can't resample that fast |
| 18:14.27 | SpeedEvil | Even with a pessimised FPU library |
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| 18:15.35 | SpeedEvil | Of course, people will always come up with highly optimised pessimisers. |
| 18:15.49 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: using alsa plug plugin to upsample from 8000 to 48000 is known to not work smoothly, i think. |
| 18:15.52 | Zorkman_ | there was also some talk on the ml of headsets being able to decode mp3s themselves |
| 18:15.58 | Zorkman_ | to relieve the cpu of this task... |
| 18:16.47 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: yes, but no infrustructure to support that properly iirc. |
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| 18:17.03 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: can you check your top output while using a2dp? |
| 18:17.50 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/d52998833 |
| 18:19.19 | Zorkman_ | if you need more info, i'll gladly provide! |
| 18:19.22 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: looks like 9% idle is not that much... |
| 18:19.44 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: unfortunately, i don't know the way to radically improve a2dp performance. |
| 18:21.16 | Zorkman_ | suppose there is no betterbluetooth profice to use than a2dp? |
| 18:21.38 | SpeedEvil | a2dp is the profile that's 'stream uncompressed samples' |
| 18:21.42 | SpeedEvil | at high rate |
| 18:22.12 | SpeedEvil | compressed samples - mp3 or other formats - would be a different profile I think, or a suboption of the protocol |
| 18:23.01 | Zorkman_ | but with bluez 3.33 i managed to get fluent playback |
| 18:23.10 | Zorkman_ | i could even scroll the FR and listen to music |
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| 18:25.11 | Zorkman_ | anybody else got fluent bt playback? |
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| 18:28.27 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser, maybe it's just due to my mplayer, because even playing it through the speakers with top running is choppy.... |
| 18:28.51 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: that makes sense! |
| 18:30.24 | SpeedEvil | mplayer wavs |
| 18:30.25 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 18:31.02 | Zorkman_ | something must be done to make playing music files (mp3/ogg) much less cpu hungry |
| 18:31.13 | Zorkman_ | someone was working on a integer implementation if i recall correctly |
| 18:31.29 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: there is. Use mad to play mp3 |
| 18:32.10 | Zorkman_ | i'll look if that is available on shr |
| 18:32.30 | SpeedEvil | I've got an mplayer that uses 18% or so on gta01 |
| 18:32.34 | SpeedEvil | I forget where I got it |
| 18:32.41 | Zorkman_ | wow |
| 18:33.13 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: doesn't your mplayer support mad? |
| 18:33.33 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: i'm really a gigantic noob (even to linux) |
| 18:33.33 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: mplayer -ac mad test.mp3 |
| 18:33.37 | Zorkman_ | i already have the mad plugin |
| 18:33.52 | lindi- | Zorkman_: tremor helps a lot with ogg vorbis |
| 18:34.24 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: you already use it for playback? |
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| 18:34.32 | Zorkman_ | yeah mad is supported |
| 18:35.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/mplayerarm.gz |
| 18:35.01 | SpeedEvil | in a couple of minutes - uploading |
| 18:35.39 | Zorkman_ | SpeedEvil: are there limitations vs the normal one SpeedEvil? |
| 18:36.17 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: it's really old |
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| 18:38.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.02 | Zorkman_ | SpeedEvil: root@om-gta02 ~ $ /home/root/mplayerarm -ac mad /media/card/mp3/* |
| 18:39.02 | Zorkman_ | Segmentation fault |
| 18:39.42 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 18:39.43 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 18:39.51 | SpeedEvil | sorry. |
| 18:39.55 | SpeedEvil | It's really old, as I said. |
| 18:40.03 | SpeedEvil | I forgot that the binary format had changed |
| 18:40.09 | Zorkman_ | np |
| 18:40.42 | SpeedEvil | There is a program somewhere to run old format stuff - used for the GPS binary on GTA01 |
| 18:41.24 | mmontour | I don't think that works on FR - IIRC the gta02 kernel has OABI support turned off |
| 18:42.07 | Zorkman_ | np, thanks anyway |
| 18:42.37 | SpeedEvil | MPlayer dev-CVS--3.4.3 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team |
| 18:42.45 | SpeedEvil | ooold mplayer is ooold. |
| 18:43.51 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7NxCM8ryF8 |
| 18:43.52 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 19:02.24 | SeligArkin | hmm |
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| 19:03.53 | badcloud | hey all |
| 19:04.09 | toggles_w | well hullo badcloud' |
| 19:04.12 | Zorkman_ | hi dr nick riviera |
| 19:04.48 | SeligArkin | yhallothair |
| 19:05.16 | badcloud | anyone get usb host mode working under shr? |
| 19:05.38 | badcloud | can't seem to access a usb drive after using the gui |
| 19:06.24 | badcloud | or get sound from scummvm for that matter |
| 19:06.38 | badcloud | mplayer plays the scummvm files just fine |
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| 19:09.27 | badcloud | well, at least I can get calls |
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| 19:18.15 | badcloud | ^_^ |
| 19:18.38 | badcloud | apt, make himself some coffee |
| 19:18.39 | apt | ACTION brews a nice hot cup of coffee for himself some |
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| 19:18.48 | badcloud | apt, make himself coffee |
| 19:18.49 | apt | ACTION brews a nice hot cup of coffee for himself |
| 19:18.55 | badcloud | yay, I'm cool |
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| 19:24.58 | starox_ | mmontour: ping ? |
| 19:25.34 | starox_ | I made a new u-boot for testing purpose : http://www.starox.org/pub/openmoko/u-boot/u-boot.slow_clock |
| 19:25.49 | badcloud | pong |
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| 19:28.17 | mmontour | starox_: I'll try it tonight if I have time |
| 19:28.50 | starox_ | mmontour: thanks ! I just slowed the clock, I think I found the issue. |
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| 19:42.50 | Wonka | hrm. hrm. |
| 19:43.08 | Wonka | i think i need to look a little into this LEDclock program |
| 19:43.23 | Wonka | just wrote something to beep once a second |
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| 19:43.47 | Wonka | now i just need something to blink the AUX LED also |
| 19:44.06 | Wonka | portable movie bomb emulator :) |
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| 19:59.39 | dent | Wonka lol :) |
| 20:00.29 | dent | add a fancy coundown screen too :) |
| 20:01.28 | mmontour | "I will never employ any device with a digital countdown. If I find that such a device is absolutely unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the counter reaches 117 and the hero is just putting his plan into operation". |
| 20:03.05 | dent | :) |
| 20:05.03 | SeligArkin | Wonka: when it 'dedonates' make it brick the phone. |
| 20:05.15 | SeligArkin | no wait, that would be a bit too evil |
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| 20:22.03 | jesperj | is there a function to block incoming calls from numbers for neo freerunner? |
| 20:22.24 | lindi- | jesperj: that's entirely software issue |
| 20:22.43 | lindi- | jesperj: which program are you using to play ringtone? |
| 20:23.27 | jesperj | lindi-: I dont own a freerunner yet. I need to get a phone that can block incoming calls from numbers, preferably a list with a large limit, like hundreds of numbers |
| 20:23.38 | jesperj | so I can enter all known crapcompany numbers here where i live |
| 20:23.44 | joejoe | jesperj: is there a fucntion to receive incloming calls for noe freerunner? (-; |
| 20:24.06 | jesperj | i just want to know if that function exists, if it is possible to code it for freerunner? |
| 20:24.23 | jesperj | if so I'll get one nearly mostly for that purpose |
| 20:24.26 | SeligArkin | jesperj: worst comes to worst, you could mod the phone app to auto silent it |
| 20:24.36 | lindi- | jesperj: well well. i wrote my own dialer program in python in a few days (it's less than 300 lines). it does not play ringtone when called from a test number |
| 20:24.39 | jesperj | SeligArkin: worst comes to worst? |
| 20:24.54 | SeligArkin | I am sure it won't come to that |
| 20:25.14 | jesperj | SeligArkin: what do you mean with "worst comes to worst"? |
| 20:25.27 | jesperj | joejoe: I hope so :D |
| 20:25.41 | SeligArkin | I mean thats what you would have to do in the most extream case |
| 20:25.55 | jesperj | lindi-: good. it just doesnt react at all when you call from a special number with your testapp? |
| 20:26.02 | jesperj | a total ignore is what I need |
| 20:26.02 | joejoe | i tried this functionality 3 months ago and since then i had no time for experiments |
| 20:26.04 | jesperj | from some numbers |
| 20:26.07 | jesperj | no reaction at all |
| 20:26.23 | lindi- | jesperj: yes |
| 20:26.25 | jesperj | SeligArkin: I see. yes. |
| 20:26.28 | jesperj | lindi-: perfect. |
| 20:26.42 | lindi- | jesperj: nagios calls my phone every two hours and my phone responds by sending a status report over gprs |
| 20:26.53 | jesperj | I need to get this kindof function before I lose control and deaththreat some telemarketer |
| 20:26.54 | lindi- | jesperj: if my phone does not respond I get a popup on my desktop and email |
| 20:26.55 | jesperj | seriously |
| 20:27.26 | lindi- | jesperj: (nagios is a service monitoring system, http://www.nagios.org/ ) |
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| 20:27.53 | lindi- | jesperj: how much experience do you have on software development? |
| 20:28.23 | jesperj | lindi-: perfect. you dont get any audio signal, no vibration, no call notification on the phone at all? and also does this ignored incoming phonecall block the phones functionality to phone out or recieve other calls while it happens? |
| 20:28.49 | lindi- | jesperj: display backlight is lit for a few seconds currently |
| 20:28.52 | jesperj | lindi-: enough to be able to hack together what I need. |
| 20:28.57 | lindi- | jesperj: i could fix that but i consider it a feature |
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| 20:29.13 | SeligArkin | lindi-: do you mean it uses a data connection? (Sorry, not familar with the terms in the phone industy) |
| 20:29.14 | lindi- | jesperj: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ is my dialer |
| 20:29.24 | jesperj | no expert but Ive done stuff in tcl, php, perl |
| 20:29.27 | lindi- | SeligArkin: it uses gprs |
| 20:29.30 | jesperj | I like tcl |
| 20:29.43 | SeligArkin | gprs = ??? |
| 20:29.50 | lindi- | SeligArkin: general packet radio service |
| 20:29.53 | jesperj | thanks lindi- |
| 20:30.00 | lindi- | jesperj: i don't know if incoming calls can block outgoing calls |
| 20:30.22 | lindi- | jesperj: it's bit messy since i have lots of command line options |
| 20:30.32 | jesperj | nods |
| 20:31.20 | jesperj | the most important thing is that when blocked call rings I 1) get no audio signal 2) no vibration 3) no message of missed or incoming call on screen = total ignore / I wont even know I had a call |
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| 20:31.26 | jesperj | as long as this is doable, |
| 20:31.29 | jesperj | i am happy |
| 20:31.42 | jesperj | i can do it myself when i get the phone as long as I know it can be done with freerunner |
| 20:36.10 | shellevil | oh - it's doable |
| 20:36.23 | jesperj | great |
| 20:36.28 | jesperj | too bad i cant afford the phone heh |
| 20:36.30 | shellevil | the harder part is making it do stuff when you get a call you want :) |
| 20:36.41 | jesperj | nah |
| 20:36.49 | jesperj | ill just add expections for the calls in my list |
| 20:36.52 | shellevil | unfortunately, yes. |
| 20:37.05 | jesperj | only yes if the number is not in my exception list |
| 20:37.07 | shellevil | It's not really ready as an everyday phone yet |
| 20:37.22 | shellevil | and 'can be done' is 'you have the source |
| 20:37.37 | jesperj | you can call in and out I hope? |
| 20:37.40 | jesperj | :D |
| 20:37.58 | shellevil | Generally yes, though that can sometimes break on new images. |
| 20:38.10 | jesperj | wow |
| 20:38.11 | shellevil | or for some users |
| 20:38.31 | jesperj | i thought it was more developed than that. that is very basic usability |
| 20:38.46 | jesperj | :/ |
| 20:38.48 | shellevil | For some people, it works fine. |
| 20:38.55 | shellevil | For others, they can't get it to work. |
| 20:39.03 | shellevil | or give up |
| 20:39.14 | toggles_w | sweet, if i fly to FSOSHRUDCON'09 will i get my buzz fixed for free? |
| 20:39.58 | jesperj | nods |
| 20:40.17 | toggles_w | sweet! |
| 20:44.17 | jesperj | that wasnt for you but I Ill cross my fingers for you :D |
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| 20:45.36 | SeligArkin | lindi-: interesting |
| 20:45.46 | SeligArkin | (checking out your dialer) |
| 20:47.23 | tig| | is that a euphemism? |
| 20:47.30 | tig| | :) |
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| 20:57.04 | SeligArkin | tig|: only to you |
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| 21:00.06 | lindi- | jesperj: note that your phone will still wake up from suspend when spammer calls |
| 21:03.57 | mmontour | But if the software is done right, it should suspend again a few seconds later once it has rejected the call |
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| 21:07.20 | jesperj | lindi-: yeah but nothing else than that |
| 21:08.04 | SeligArkin | lindi-: do you mind if I use your code as a reference in making a dialer more to my liking? |
| 21:12.46 | lindi- | SeligArkin: oh, i forgot to add copyright info |
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| 21:15.09 | SeligArkin | should learn to understand legalese to understand licences some day |
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| 21:18.25 | lindi- | SeligArkin: refresh and you'll see that i granted you permission to share and change it freely |
| 21:19.31 | SeligArkin | lindi-: even with stuff I like to ask the author to be sure. :P |
| 21:19.40 | jesperj | how long is the batterytime? |
| 21:19.47 | jesperj | on freerunner |
| 21:20.12 | lindi- | SeligArkin: sure |
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| 21:20.55 | SeligArkin | jesperj: at this point,I would not sugest falling asleep with it unpluged,much like a laptop |
| 21:21.13 | lindi- | jesperj: when it is running around 6 hours, in suspend its day or two |
| 21:23.16 | jesperj | :-/ |
| 21:23.50 | SeligArkin | hmm does debian put the phone in suspend by default after beingidle |
| 21:24.06 | jesperj | 6 hours isnt much... |
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| 21:27.08 | lindi- | jesperj: it's quite a lot for pda in active use actually |
| 21:27.20 | lindi- | jesperj: you can run firefox for 6 hours with the battery, think about that :) |
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| 21:27.27 | lindi- | jesperj: can your laptop do it? |
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| 21:28.15 | rooly | so |
| 21:28.16 | rooly | yeah |
| 21:28.16 | jesperj | ok. so calling like 10-20 times a day, reading and sending like 10 sms per day, checking calender a couple of times etc, it will probably last 1.5 days? |
| 21:28.45 | rooly | jesperj: sure, depending on your sleep settings and if it suspends propperly each time |
| 21:28.51 | jesperj | lindi-: my laptop which is like 10 years old's battery is defunct since many years lol |
| 21:28.55 | rooly | how long are your calls? |
| 21:29.00 | jesperj | its now a "portable workstation" or something |
| 21:29.05 | jesperj | ran from AC only |
| 21:29.07 | jesperj | :D |
| 21:29.33 | jesperj | like 5-15 min |
| 21:29.48 | rooly | that might die a little quicker |
| 21:29.58 | rooly | 5 minutes is a full conversation tho |
| 21:30.03 | jesperj | yeah |
| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | 20 x 0.25h, hmm |
| 21:30.28 | rooly | 15-minute calls, the phone might last you a full day |
| 21:31.00 | jesperj | mostly shorter |
| 21:31.03 | jesperj | but sometimes that long |
| 21:31.04 | lindi- | jesperj: i bought external usb battery from dealextreme.com. it was only $14 with shipping to finland |
| 21:31.32 | jesperj | nods |
| 21:31.36 | rooly | if your average call is shorter than 3 minutes, the phone should last you long enough to get it charged |
| 21:32.25 | rooly | aka, 1.5 days |
| 21:32.47 | lindi- | rooly: unless a spammer calls him every 5 minutes ;) |
| 21:32.50 | SeligArkin | how often are you out and about, jesperj? |
| 21:32.53 | jesperj | haha |
| 21:33.01 | SeligArkin | You could get a phone charger likly |
| 21:33.25 | SeligArkin | erm car charger |
| 21:33.38 | jesperj | yeah I just have to remember to charge it regularly |
| 21:33.52 | lindi- | SeligArkin: i bought car charger from dealextreme.com too :) |
| 21:34.06 | jesperj | lindi-: you have all extras dont you :) |
| 21:34.25 | lindi- | jesperj: extra battery and car charger are quite essential |
| 21:34.37 | lindi- | jesperj: if you use it as a gps device |
| 21:34.47 | jesperj | maybe an external keyboard would be good also |
| 21:34.57 | jesperj | a foldable blutetooth keyboard or something |
| 21:35.11 | lindi- | i have a rubber keyboard but it's awful to use |
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| 21:35.40 | jesperj | oh well, thanks for the info guys |
| 21:35.43 | jesperj | I got to go walk the dog |
| 21:35.51 | lindi- | have fun |
| 21:35.52 | rooly | give me sum assssss |
| 21:35.52 | jesperj | thanks for the chat, have a good day/night |
| 21:36.19 | jesperj | rooly: mkay? |
| 21:36.21 | jesperj | heh |
| 21:36.41 | jesperj | (_(_) (_|_) (_)_) |
| 21:39.07 | tig| | well at least this place is no stranger than usual... |
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| 21:40.05 | SeligArkin | stares at jesperj and robster |
| 21:40.06 | lindi- | hmm, i need to design a watchdog that will restart ogsmd if it gets to a state where it does not respond |
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| 21:40.57 | SeligArkin | I need to get one to restart framewokd |
| 21:40.59 | SeligArkin | it keeps killing |
| 21:43.34 | lindi- | SeligArkin: ogsmd is part of frameworkd |
| 21:43.38 | lindi- | SeligArkin: thus we have same goal :) |
| 21:43.45 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 21:44.05 | lindi- | SeligArkin: what do about client applications that were talking to frameworkd? |
| 21:44.18 | lindi- | SeligArkin: is there some way to make this transparent to them? (afaik no) |
| 21:44.53 | SeligArkin | lindi-: It's happen only between my messing with the window manager and all to get a setup I want |
| 21:45.18 | lindi- | SeligArkin: what window manager to do with frameworkd? |
| 21:45.26 | lindi- | +has |
| 21:45.28 | SeligArkin | lindi-: no idea |
| 21:45.42 | SeligArkin | other than maybe zhone leaving it in a insane state |
| 21:46.11 | SeligArkin | and it going ZOMGWTFBBQWHEREUGO!? |
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| 21:51.12 | lindi- | SeligArkin: yeah but how is the watchdog supposed to figure out what processes were talking to frameworkd when it stopped working? |
| 21:52.22 | SeligArkin | lindi-: i have no idea |
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| 22:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | a watchdog is a last resort solution which usually has to restart a whole new clean system |
| 22:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise you'd assume you knew so much about the error it's supposed to catch, it would be better to fix the error than to use watchdog |
| 22:07.58 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yeah wrong term |
| 22:08.10 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yes i am reporting bugs all the time |
| 22:08.21 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but since i want to receive calls i need this too :) |
| 22:08.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: it can also help in bug reporting: it can save the latest straces and logs to a separate directory when it detects that things are not working |
| 22:09.04 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: now it might take me hours to figure out that ogsmd has stopped working and i need to digg old logs to figure it out |
| 22:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite sensible |
| 22:09.54 | lindi- | but i don't know how to handle dbus clients in this case |
| 22:10.04 | lindi- | they would all need to be restarted too |
| 22:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure they need to |
| 22:10.37 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but how can the watchdog know what programs were using frameworkd when it stopped working? |
| 22:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | it can't, you need to reboot |
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| 22:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | you simply can't program a watchdog that's smarter than the system being watched |
| 22:12.21 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i'd like to avoid reboot if at all possible |
| 22:12.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: maybe i'll only make watchdog handle the most critical answer program |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | so fix the error that causes a situation where you needed to |
| 22:12.54 | lindi- | which i use to answer calls |
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| 22:13.15 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't have source to calypso :) |
| 22:13.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: fixing things is quite difficult |
| 22:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | ahh a calypso watchdog |
| 22:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | yup you had to powercycle calypso then |
| 22:14.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well both |
| 22:14.15 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: sometimes calypso confuses ogsmd |
| 22:14.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and restarting both is needed |
| 22:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | fix ogsmd |
| 22:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | so it basically is it's own watchdog |
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| 22:16.04 | rooly | sorrry...that was somebody typing for me...never forget to lock your laptops |
| 22:18.36 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: easier said than done :) |
| 22:19.10 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: external watchdog is always more reliable anyway |
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| 22:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | but an external watchdog never is smart, as it isn't a parallel system with same "AI" as ogsmd. A watchdog can't decide if it's ogsmd or some kernel-oops that caused him trigger. so a watchdog always has to reboot the whole system |
| 22:21.28 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 22:21.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: no no, watchdog can first only restart ogsmd |
| 22:21.49 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and if that does not fix the problem then it can reboot |
| 22:22.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: or it can alert the user |
| 22:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's transfering intelligence to watchdog that should be inside ogsmd |
| 22:22.58 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but what i the bug is in python-dbus bindings+ |
| 22:23.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't think ogsmd can reliably detect that it itself is not responding :) |
| 22:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | or in dbus itself... exactly. you got the point |
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| 22:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | either you know the error cause so fix it inside app where it happens. if you cant figure out you need a watchdog *restarting whole system* |
| 22:26.48 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: my hypothesis is that the bug is in calypso, gsm0710muxd or ogsmd (or any of the libraries it uses). i don't see why i'd restart whole system |
| 22:27.26 | rooly | is wondering whats being talked about |
| 22:27.40 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i have hardware watchdog to catch kernel bugs and ringbuffer in RAM to catch those panic messages. i think it's a separate bug hunting department |
| 22:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | if your hypothesis is true you can create a timer object inside ogsmd checking if the call returns |
| 22:28.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: call where? |
| 22:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | call to lib, dunno where you specifically expect to see things to go wrong |
| 22:29.16 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: you mean alarm()? |
| 22:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | talk to calypso wating an answer, whatever |
| 22:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup, e.g. |
| 22:29.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i said "the bug" but in fact there are a number of odd open bugs |
| 22:30.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but then i'd need to code ogsmd to constantly poll calypso for info, wouldn't that kind of policy belong to separate watchdog? |
| 22:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | so write a wrapper for ogsmd, that's controlling ogsmd as a child process |
| 22:30.50 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: the watchdog would then test the whole dbus-ogsmd-gsm0710muxd-serial-calypso path |
| 22:31.28 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: something like that i had in mind yes |
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| 22:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably I just have another definition of watchdog ;-) |
| 22:32.48 | lindi- | possible :) |
| 22:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | s/another/a different/ |
| 22:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: see firefox wrapper to restore previous session |
| 22:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | for an example of what I don't call a watchdog, but rather a part of the app (my def of watchdog it's never is a part of the app) |
| 22:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:36.44 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but wasn't i all the time arguing that it shouldn't be part of ogsmd but a separate process? ;) |
| 22:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | separate process is<ät exactly what a wrapper does to the app childprocess |
| 22:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind, we're talking about same thing with different words |
| 22:40.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 22:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: for dbus I don't know if there's an issue at all (apart from stalled dialogs maybe that timeout eventually) |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | as I get it dbus bindings a by name |
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| 22:40.40 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but my dbus client is responsible for playing the ringtone |
| 22:40.54 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: it needs to "not stall" :) |
| 22:43.39 | lindi- | whoa, i did not realize that with Xorg I get transparent windows ;) |
| 22:43.52 | nezza-_- | is there any mp3 player for the openmoko which is more performant than mplayer? or are there any tweak you must know to let mplayer play in the background while using another application? |
| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | ogsmd sends a dbus msg "start to ring!". either client does ringtone playback, or the msg gets lost by system error somewhere. I don't see how to cure that, except maybe by watching for a "I'm ringing" reply |
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| 22:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: hmm, maybe renice it? |
| 22:45.46 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: use mad library |
| 22:46.06 | Zorkman_ | anyone with shr-testing? |
| 22:46.11 | Zorkman_ | i get no sound when the alarm goes off |
| 22:46.12 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: like mplayer -ac mad my.mp3 |
| 22:46.26 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: or use mpg321/madplay |
| 22:46.33 | Zorkman_ | thought there was this trick with making a symlink but can't find it again (but i think i already did that) |
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| 22:47.37 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3) <- seems like i'm already using mad ;-) |
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| 22:47.58 | rooly | is mp3 back inside OM yet? |
| 22:48.02 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: madplay and mpg321 uses like 20% of CPU |
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| 22:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: never will |
| 22:48.27 | PaulFertser | rooly: do you know anybody who's using "official" OM distro? |
| 22:48.44 | rooly | erm...does qtopia on top count? |
| 22:48.47 | PaulFertser | rooly: except the testing team |
| 22:48.49 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: mplayer is using around 30% |
| 22:49.02 | rooly | om linux + qtopia is what i use |
| 22:49.04 | Zorkman_ | same here, and i'm also using mad |
| 22:49.05 | rooly | 4.4.1 |
| 22:49.10 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: hm, that's probably ok. Renice as Doc suggests. |
| 22:49.34 | rooly | i don't really no anybody else who even knows what a freerunner is |
| 22:49.41 | rooly | *know |
| 22:49.53 | PaulFertser | rooly: well, i see no point in using qtopia. It seems to be no fun in hacking on it. |
| 22:49.57 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: i reniced to 20.. it changes a litte bit but it's still lagging very bad when i touch the screen |
| 22:50.09 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: reniced to "20"? |
| 22:50.29 | nezza-_- | Damn! |
| 22:50.30 | nezza-_- | got me |
| 22:50.39 | rooly | PaulFertser: atm, i have don't have the time to hack around on my fr, so i'm using qtopia to use it as a mostly reliable phone |
| 22:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | off for a beer to honor StPatric's day (whatever that is) |
| 22:51.18 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: okay, works now -.- sorry, had a bad day ;-) |
| 22:51.21 | mickeyl | have fun, DocScrutinizer |
| 22:51.41 | PaulFertser | rooly: i don't see why use FR if not to hack on it. I'd better use the cheapest nokia instead. |
| 22:53.17 | Sharwin_F | nezza-_-, I use mokoko as music player on SHR-unstable :) |
| 22:53.30 | Sharwin_F | nezza-_-, it's on the shr repos |
| 22:53.36 | rooly | PaulFertser: i sorta like the looks i get for having it |
| 22:53.48 | Sharwin_F | opkg install mokoko |
| 22:54.24 | PaulFertser | rooly: do you have the buzz fixed? |
| 22:54.59 | nezza-_- | Sharwin_F: well i'm developing a small application which controls mplayer,but i will have a look at it, thank you. |
| 22:55.04 | rooly | 4.4.x doesn't have the buzzing problem |
| 22:55.07 | Sharwin_F | then create the mokoko.conf file as told on the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokoko) |
| 22:55.10 | rooly | at least, on my side |
| 22:55.14 | nezza-_- | mickeyl: You heard something from C7? |
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| 22:55.25 | mickeyl | nothing |
| 22:55.48 | rooly | and nobody complains about buzzing on their side, so i don't suppose its an issue |
| 22:56.17 | vininim | oh my, dead neo |
| 22:56.29 | fredrin | I never understood the buzzproblem? What kind of buzz am I suppose to hear? |
| 22:56.37 | fredrin | is it just in calls? |
| 22:56.47 | fredrin | the receiver or caller? |
| 22:56.59 | Zorkman_ | fredrin: the buzz with my Fr was on the other side |
| 22:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: *you* never'll hear it |
| 22:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | far end does |
| 22:57.57 | rooly | hmm, i'm not so sure, doc |
| 22:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | no matter if you called or receive a call |
| 22:58.18 | rooly | see, cause using 2008.8 always buzzed in my ear |
| 22:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: I am |
| 22:58.30 | rooly | so did 2007.x |
| 22:58.45 | fredrin | ah, then it's not a problem, I can just blame it my friends crappy phones |
| 22:58.46 | fredrin | lol |
| 22:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | crappy statefiles |
| 22:58.51 | rooly | 2008.x after asu didn't buzz on my side |
| 22:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: see lengthy tread about buzz on HW-ML |
| 23:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | as well as wiki |
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| 23:00.50 | PaulFertser | rooly: DocScrutinizer for sure knows more than anybody about the buzz problem. |
| 23:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | and believe me, I looked into buzz issue quite a couple of times |
| 23:00.58 | rooly | ic |
| 23:01.09 | nezza-_- | A disabled guy for which i'm developing an openmoko application just asked me if he could also use the openmoko as his mobilephone.. He's no plan from computers, so I'm not sure what I should answer... What would you suggest? |
| 23:01.14 | PaulFertser | rooly: if the other party didn't complain, that means you're lucky that's all. |
| 23:01.25 | rooly | awesome then |
| 23:01.30 | rooly | is lucky |
| 23:01.31 | rooly | w00t |
| 23:03.24 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: it depends, more data is needed to answer if freerunner will suit. |
| 23:03.55 | rooly | the FR suits me, it gives me an excuse to ignore calls |
| 23:05.47 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: i think he wants to use it as his everyday mobile phone.. I think I will answer no.. cause I don't want to be spammed with questions about linux and buzz and this and that.. |
| 23:06.23 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: i won't recommend to use a freerunner without buzz fix as a primary phone to anybody. |
| 23:08.42 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: yes, i could fix it for him. but he has really NO plans from computers... so i think i will just tell him how to turn it on and play around a little bit in illumine.. may he wants more and than i will guide him to #openmoko :-) |
| 23:10.11 | PaulFertser | nezza-_-: i'd refrain from expressing an opinion on that, i'd better go to sleep in the hope tomorrow will be better than today. See you all. |
| 23:11.01 | Zorkman_ | ²night PaulFertser; thanks for your help |
| 23:11.07 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: hth |
| 23:11.18 | nezza-_- | PaulFertser: night |
| 23:14.16 | Zorkman_ | nezza-_-just out of ciriousity, in what way is he disabled? |
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| 23:58.49 | Blu3 | hmm, why does mofi insist my AP is WPA when it's only configured for WEP |