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| 00:16.42 | nezza-_- | Hey guys. Is there any chance to use usb host functionality while loading the battery? |
| 00:18.19 | SpeedEvil | yes, it needs a wierd cable |
| 00:19.26 | net_tux | I'm using SHR unstable; when trying to run openmoko-dialer, I get this error: |
| 00:19.26 | net_tux | openmoko-dialer: symbol lookup error: openmoko-dialer: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new |
| 00:19.36 | net_tux | any ideas what I need to do to fix that? |
| 00:21.09 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: okay. |
| 00:22.31 | SpeedEvil | or an appropirately modified powered USB hub |
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| 00:23.21 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: yes, i thought about just modifying a usb cable/adapter. i just wanted to know if the openmoko battery loads if i use non powered usb host mode |
| 00:23.29 | SpeedEvil | loads? |
| 00:23.52 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: loads the battery |
| 00:23.55 | nezza-_- | charges |
| 00:24.03 | SpeedEvil | sorry - just woke up |
| 00:24.07 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: sorry.. I'm german and we say load ;-) |
| 00:24.42 | SpeedEvil | it charges any time there is 5V present on the connector, and the internal 5V generator is turned off as far as I'm aware |
| 00:25.02 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: okay. That's good news :) |
| 00:38.39 | SeligArkin | I crashed enlightenment again |
| 00:38.43 | SeligArkin | how the hell do I keep doing that |
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| 00:42.10 | SpeedEvil | SeligArkin: natural skill? |
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| 00:48.28 | SeligArkin | Thats some shitty 'talent' |
| 00:48.32 | SeligArkin | erm skill |
| 00:48.45 | SeligArkin | I'm a level 334 program crasher! |
| 00:48.52 | SeligArkin | though I crash them in odd ways |
| 00:48.57 | slaxxin | stopit |
| 00:49.16 | SeligArkin | Sorry? |
| 00:49.27 | slaxxin | crashtester |
| 00:52.03 | slaxxin | they need u over at opkg |
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| 01:01.54 | SeligArkin | slaxxin: I have debian as my main install atm |
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| 01:27.10 | SeligArkin | gives matchbox another try |
| 01:28.04 | shellevil | watches the flames. |
| 01:32.35 | SeligArkin | <3 xrandr |
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| 01:32.49 | SeligArkin | I have my freerunner hanging from a screw in the wall, so I inverted the screen |
| 01:36.33 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: nice! URL or it didn't happen ;-) |
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| 01:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables |
| 01:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 |
| 01:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | to be more specific |
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| 01:43.00 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: Does the usb charging automatically turn off when usb power generation is turned on, or does it have to be done manually? |
| 01:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | err, please reword |
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| 01:46.45 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: if the internal usb host power is turned on, does anything have to be done to stop the pmu attempting to run from that external power |
| 01:46.45 | shellevil | internal power - as it sees 5V on the 5V line |
| 01:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | EN_USBHOST switches off charging and enables generation of 5V for hostmode. Same time it switches the 2pcs 15k R. See schematics LOACATION:49XX |
| 01:47.34 | shellevil | is having problems with pdfs atm, for some odd reason. |
| 01:47.54 | shellevil | needs to either reboot, install xpdf, or work out why it's doing this. |
| 01:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | EN_USBHOST is controlled by CPU (GPIO) and mainly kernel looks for ID-pin of usb.receptacle being short to GND or not |
| 01:48.19 | shellevil | thanks for the very comprehensive answer. |
| 01:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | sounds somewhat sarcastic, or is that just me? |
| 01:50.23 | shellevil | I'm too tired to be sarcastic. :) |
| 01:50.36 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: sorry, was vor SeligArkin |
| 01:50.38 | shellevil | Though actually, I was just looking for a one word answer. |
| 01:50.46 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, your efforts to help people on this channel and explain things about the Freerunner are widely appreciated. |
| 01:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | one word: NO |
| 01:51.36 | shellevil | has been doing way too much non OM related stuff recently. :/ |
| 01:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | three words: it's done automatic |
| 01:52.12 | shellevil | Life getting in the way. |
| 01:52.14 | net_tux | in case anyone cares, removing and then reinstalling libframeworkd-glib0 fixed my problem |
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| 01:52.28 | shellevil | net_tux: :) |
| 01:52.47 | shellevil | is currently replacing walls. |
| 01:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: get your sleep! |
| 01:53.19 | shellevil | sore foot - unfortunate hammer drop. |
| 01:53.28 | shellevil | waiting for painkillers to kick in. |
| 01:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 01:53.39 | SeligArkin | nezza-_-: sadly |
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| 01:54.03 | shellevil | Night all, and thanks. |
| 01:54.08 | SeligArkin | nezza-_-: sadly I lost my camera when my oldphone died |
| 01:54.11 | shellevil | goes to sleep. |
| 01:54.17 | SeligArkin | night evil |
| 01:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: get well soon! :) |
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| 01:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | tosses some virtual morphine to shellevil |
| 01:55.50 | nezza-_- | SeligArkin: oh ;-) |
| 01:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: thanks! :) |
| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: if there's more questions, don't hesitate to ask |
| 02:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
| 02:01.30 | apt | it has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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| 02:07.26 | nezza-_- | DocScrutinizer: thank you, i sure will not ;) |
| 02:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | k, welcome |
| 02:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: we recently found a highly convenient cable to create a Y-cable to feed power to FR. See bottom lines of wiki page mentioned above |
| 02:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | #4 there |
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| 02:12.38 | nezza-_- | DocScrutinizer: it's just about a project i did some time ago of which i'm thinking to release it. http://0x2a-blog.org/?p=49 |
| 02:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | nezza-_-: I see. I did a similar project some years ago, involving stepper moter to rotate objects, and controlling some digital Canon camera via usb |
| 02:16.49 | nezza-_- | DocScrutinizer: :-) |
| 02:20.44 | mwester-laptop | DocScrutinizer: FYI, the US cable (the right-angle) is viable as well. A few minutes with an xacto knife fixes the right-angle very nicely, and a bit of shrink tubing makes it even look good again. |
| 02:21.27 | mjr | DocScrutinizer, so, a 3d scanner? |
| 02:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | mwester-laptop: I'd probably even like the 90° for some applications |
| 02:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | mjr: yup |
| 02:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | for web shops |
| 02:22.29 | mjr | hm, so no 3d model generation, just the shots? |
| 02:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | more like a 360° scanner |
| 02:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | yea |
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| 02:24.41 | mjr | would be somewhat interested in a free 3d scanner solution; I know there's some software out there that does at least some of the relevant things for some types of input data, but it seems like a largely untapped niche, where only a few proprietary products lie |
| 02:24.56 | mjr | of course, not interested enough to do it, as usual |
| 02:30.50 | mjr | Also, too much math or you need a laser. With a laser, there's still a lot of math but at least it isn't horrible anymore. |
| 02:31.13 | mjr | Something akin to that would be nice, were it not proprietary: http://www.david-laserscanner.com/ |
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| 07:41.28 | geaaru | hi, are there milestone for fix problems with 8gb minisd and u-boot for neo1973? |
| 07:41.32 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
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| 07:47.45 | PaulFert` | geaaru: looks like it's left to the community. starox is working on SDHC support for gta01 in u-boot and plans to do it for |
| 07:47.49 | PaulFert` | Qi as well. |
| 07:48.22 | geaaru | ah wonderful, :) thank you very much |
| 07:48.29 | PaulFert` | geaaru: alternatively, you can just flash the kernel to NAND and supply a root=/dev/sda1 parameter to use rootfs on uSD. |
| 07:50.11 | geaaru | yes, but last kernel images are greater then kernel image partition and i can't in this moment, compile a minimal kernel that is compliant with flash kernel partition of neo |
| 07:50.52 | PaulFert` | geaaru: do you have any problems with cross-compiling? |
| 07:51.14 | PaulFert` | geaaru: also you can flash the kernel to the rootfs NAND partition. |
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| 07:54.45 | geaaru | ah ok, i try then to flash kernel to rootfs nand partition, thanks |
| 07:55.25 | PaulFert` | geaaru: don't forget to tweak u-boot boot command to read the kernel from there (and don't forget you need an additional parameter to read kernel >2M). |
| 07:55.59 | geaaru | what is addition parameter to read kernel >2M? |
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| 07:57.49 | PaulFert` | geaaru: i guess that's the size in bytes to read from NAND in nandread command. Should be the last one and be more than the kernel size. Search the wiki or archives for more detailed instructions. Also please report the results of using the recent kernel on gta01 on the mailing list. |
| 07:58.18 | geaaru | k, i will do asap, still thanks |
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| 08:14.49 | methril|work | morning |
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| 08:28.00 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:29.23 | starox_ | Hello |
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| 08:30.56 | Linkas | i'm installing debian on microsd card and i have a little problem. i can't run script |
| 08:31.37 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls |
| 08:31.37 | Linkas | Desktop duke3d-openmoko install.sh |
| 08:31.37 | Linkas | configure-uboot.sh gg opendoom |
| 08:31.37 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ chmod +x configure-uboot.sh |
| 08:31.37 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ./configure-uboot.sh |
| 08:31.38 | Linkas | -sh: ./configure-uboot.sh: not found |
| 08:31.41 | starox_ | Linkas: check mount option. |
| 08:31.41 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ |
| 08:31.54 | Linkas | sdf |
| 08:32.07 | starox_ | if it has noexec, you can't run executables files. |
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| 08:32.28 | starox_ | mount -o remount,exec /media/card |
| 08:33.19 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ mount -o remount,exec /media/card |
| 08:33.19 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ./configure-uboot.sh |
| 08:33.19 | Linkas | -sh: ./configure-uboot.sh: not found |
| 08:36.30 | starox_ | Linkas: your interpreter is maybe not found |
| 08:36.47 | Linkas | what should i do? |
| 08:36.56 | starox_ | if you have #!/bin/bash replace it with #!/bin/sh |
| 08:38.35 | Linkas | i have sh. how can i change sh to bash? |
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| 08:40.58 | starox_ | Linkas: If you have /bin/sh it's not what give you your error. It is something else. |
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| 08:42.48 | Linkas | starox_: "#!/bin/bash replace it with #!/bin/sh"-now working sorry, my mistake. thanks for help |
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| 08:49.46 | Linkas | now i have another problem. this scrip need "dfu-util installed, available from the regular Debian archive" where i can get this dfu-util? i put normal dfu-util to home directory and doesn't work |
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| 08:53.12 | PaulFert` | Linkas: is your home directory included in your PATH? |
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| 08:55.31 | Linkas | no |
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| 08:58.42 | Linkas | now script shows "/home/root/dfu-util: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected" |
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| 09:12.57 | PaulFert` | Linkas: show that line then, probably you somehow damaged it. |
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| 09:23.25 | Linkas | /home/root/dfu-util -a u-boot_env -U env.orig |
| 09:25.26 | PaulFert` | Linkas: That looks ok, but i wonder where ( comes from. |
| 09:26.09 | Linkas | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ./dfu-util |
| 09:26.09 | Linkas | ./dfu-util: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 09:26.20 | Linkas | dfu-util is damaged |
| 09:33.48 | starox_ | Linkas: Finally it seems you need bash: opkg install bash |
| 09:34.00 | starox_ | and then revert the change made on the script |
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| 09:40.04 | Linkas | now ./configure-uboot.sh: line 78: /home/root/dfu-util: cannot execute binary file |
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| 09:51.57 | Linkas | now work but "./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found" |
| 09:57.23 | Linkas | i must install on my desktop "pkg-fso-keyring" but i have fedora-on wiki is only howto install "pkg-fso-keyring" on debian |
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| 11:26.19 | TAsn | lindi-, well, is everything workingL |
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| 11:31.17 | lindi- | TAsn: nope :( |
| 11:31.31 | TAsn | what's not working? |
| 11:31.36 | TAsn | let's split it to pieces |
| 11:31.38 | lindi- | TAsn: kernel crashes |
| 11:31.41 | lindi- | :) |
| 11:31.55 | TAsn | did you manage to play/get sound from the headset? |
| 11:32.55 | TAsn | and from gsm? |
| 11:33.07 | TAsn | if so, this means this is only the connection you don't get right. |
| 11:33.20 | TAsn | try first to tunnel only the mic of the headset |
| 11:33.25 | TAsn | does this work alone? |
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| 11:55.24 | jhass840 | good morning everyone |
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| 11:56.26 | jhass840 | Are there any SHR users in here that are having trouble with the dependency gtk+-fastscaling? If so, I have a solution. I just tried it on my freerunner and it works great! |
| 11:57.17 | tig| | jhass840: well on SHR the package is called gtk+ so install that and force opkg |
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| 11:58.21 | Weiss | wishes gtk+-fastscaling would just go away : |
| 11:58.21 | Weiss | :/ |
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| 12:00.20 | jhass840 | tig|: that didn't work for me when I tried it. I just went to edited /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t and added the line Replaces: gtk+-fastscaling to gtk+ |
| 12:02.35 | tig| | fair enough :) might be worth bunging it on the wiki :) |
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| 12:05.11 | jhass840 | to be honest, it wasn't my idea. I saw it in a forum somewhere (some guy recommending that the SHR developers do it) and I told them about it but they ignored me so I did it myself and it worked |
| 12:05.44 | jhass840 | tig|: If you want to put it up on the wiki you can. I would but I actually have to get ready for class now |
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| 12:09.28 | jhass840 | tig|: it's on line 33114 in the file /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t just add the line Replaces: gtk+-fastscaling anywhere after that |
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| 12:33.31 | SpeedEvil | Someone needs to fix timezones. Nobody ever says anything this time of day. |
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| 12:45.43 | beer | SpeedEvil: what should we say? |
| 12:46.59 | toggles_w | <3 beer |
| 12:47.31 | toggles_w | beer: you should make shoutouts to Dave! |
| 12:48.54 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: I hear that you're sending a C & R to Finland to fix the buzz, the letter is on it's way to Germany. Any changes of including another set in the same letter? |
| 12:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: np |
| 12:49.29 | rhkfin | Great! |
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| 13:00.36 | lindi- | TAsn: http://paste.nerv.fi/59807632.txt |
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| 13:01.16 | TAsn | thought so |
| 13:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: wasn't aware it's to Finland though :) And I don't know how many sets I should trow in the envelope |
| 13:01.28 | lindi- | TAsn: it runs out of cpu power |
| 13:01.30 | TAsn | this means the moko is not powerful enough for all this sampling |
| 13:01.32 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 13:01.42 | lindi- | TAsn: i need to do the up-sampling in C :) |
| 13:01.56 | TAsn | you should ;] |
| 13:02.02 | TAsn | shouldn't be *that* hard |
| 13:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | what upsampling??? |
| 13:03.46 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well, i get kernel crash if i try to record and playback from hw:0,0 at 48000 |
| 13:03.52 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: since 8000 works i better use it for now |
| 13:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | use plughw:0.0 |
| 13:05.17 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: how do i tell that to record at 8000 but upsample it to 48000? |
| 13:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's already highly optimized resampling in ALSA |
| 13:06.55 | raster | ooh kernel crash |
| 13:06.56 | raster | awesome |
| 13:07.07 | raster | i guess u need some kernel devs to look into it |
| 13:07.08 | raster | :) |
| 13:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | plug decides on his own which rates to use on "both ends", based on capabilities queried from next layer |
| 13:07.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: 'arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - | aplay -t raw -D usb -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 2' causes overruns |
| 13:07.48 | raster | DocScrutinizer: either way a kernel crash is a bug to be fixed :) |
| 13:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | raster: sure |
| 13:08.16 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and aplay consumes 78% cpu time |
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| 13:53.48 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: what was the temperature of the solder you used? |
| 13:54.36 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: ah, found it, 375C |
| 13:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | rather high. around some 350°. but that completely depends on your soldering syle |
| 13:55.19 | SpeedEvil | no real reason lead solder wouldn't work |
| 13:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:55.53 | SpeedEvil | or even low-melting-point. |
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| 13:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's all just recommendations. You even can take 1k5 and a 50uF |
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| 13:56.36 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: ok, we'll see how it goes :) |
| 13:56.47 | rhkfin | trusts a coworker :) |
| 13:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | this rework isn't very critical. a lot of variations are possible |
| 13:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | just a accurate description how prototype has been done. Nothing more |
| 13:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | I don't claim it's the only way, nor do I think it's free of glitches |
| 14:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | e.g I should have recommended to use a high quality flux |
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| 14:04.24 | rhkfin | right.. My nokia starts to die -> Would like to start using OM as a primary -> would like to get rid of buzz.. |
| 14:04.35 | rhkfin | But yep, we'll report to you from Finland soonish :) |
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| 15:02.56 | C-Keen | hi there! I have my FreeRunner connected to Mac OS X via usb and it worked fine the first time, then the connection broke and mac os x does not detect the ethernet device anymore (says "not connected"). Who is to blame here? The Openmoko or the mac side? |
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| 15:04.45 | mjr | I think macos allocates a new device identified for the freerunner whenever it changes mac, which it does on boot at least (or did when I last checked), you sure it's not just that? |
| 15:04.50 | mjr | identifier |
| 15:05.26 | mjr | (if it hasn't been done already, the network gadget driver really should use a static private mac derived from the bt mac for instance) |
| 15:05.31 | C-Keen | no the device name has not changed nor is there a new device (both with ifconfig and the GUI) |
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| 15:05.36 | mjr | okay |
| 15:05.52 | henk | does mac os x have 'dmesg' or something? |
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| 15:06.06 | C-Keen | I may have screwed things up by bringing up the wifi device manually |
| 15:06.11 | C-Keen | henk: it does |
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| 15:06.50 | C-Keen | henk: it says find CDC driver failed...hm... |
| 15:07.27 | henk | C-Keen: try another usb port until it's correctly recognized |
| 15:08.02 | C-Keen | will do henk thanks |
| 15:08.51 | C-Keen | henk: thanks that did it |
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| 15:12.23 | C-Keen | hm, I have flashed the om2008.12 release but the package sources are still pointing to .8 Is this intended? |
| 15:16.36 | C-Keen | hm, also the signature files for opkg are missing :/ |
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| 15:44.47 | C-Keen | hm, a lot of places mention an application button on my UI but I don't seem to have one |
| 15:46.54 | nullix | C-Keen: Aux button on top right of Freerunner and power button are the two only buttons i know |
| 15:47.10 | nullix | Aux button on top left :-) |
| 15:48.38 | C-Keen | nullix: I meant more like a menu entry on 'Home' than a physical button |
| 15:48.43 | C-Keen | sorry for the confusion |
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| 15:49.36 | johnsu01 | updates to get all mickey's patches |
| 15:49.47 | C-Keen | nullix: I have opkg install[ed] openmoko-panel-wifi and it does not show up |
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| 15:51.22 | nullix | well i don't know, but i have no more Wifi settings since my update into om2008.12, i had them previously with version i got when i buy it, but i don't know what version it was. |
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| 15:53.21 | nullix | meanwhile i installed android on memory card... |
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| 15:53.48 | nullix | i kept multi boot though |
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| 15:57.45 | nullix | C-Keen: i have "openmoko-panel-wifi - 0.0.0+svnr4344-r0 - Shows the wifi status in the Openmoko panel" installed, but no wifi panel either |
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| 15:58.59 | C-Keen | nullix: great :/ |
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| 16:03.57 | jhass840 | tig|: did you ever get around to putting that stuff on the wiki? |
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| 16:44.42 | rhkfin | C-Keen: yes, it's inteded that it points to 2008.8, and the sifnatures have never worked. |
| 16:44.48 | rhkfin | This means that everything is normal :) |
| 16:45.09 | rhkfin | C-Keen: check Kustomizer if you want to have it up'n running easily: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Kustomizer |
| 16:45.30 | C-Keen | rhkfin: ah thanks! |
| 16:46.25 | SeligArkin | is begining to think there isn't a window manager for her that she would like |
| 16:46.34 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: kwin :) |
| 16:47.02 | SeligArkin | rhkfin: for theopen moko |
| 16:47.10 | SeligArkin | I like illume, but its been too crashy on me. x.x |
| 16:47.49 | SeligArkin | I am seriously considering writing my own. |
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| 16:48.13 | lindi- | SeligArkin: why not use some proven-to-work wm? |
| 16:48.15 | SeligArkin | and thats not good,considering my habit of gettingsomething barely working then stoping all work on it |
| 16:48.29 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: what's wrong with kwin? |
| 16:48.45 | rhkfin | plans to try kde on OM - if someone has it compiled somewhere.. debian..? |
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| 16:49.36 | SeligArkin | I want a wm spificly designed to be used on a device like the openmoko |
| 16:49.49 | SeligArkin | matchbox is a close fit,but the inability to switch windows kills that |
| 16:50.15 | lindi- | SeligArkin: icewm |
| 16:50.22 | nullix | C-Keen: i will try kustomizer too, then we could exchange info about its behavior |
| 16:51.17 | rhkfin | nullix: C-Keen if interested, you're also welcome to join Kustomizer ml to share ideas & discuss the behaviour |
| 16:52.26 | C-Keen | thanks |
| 16:53.16 | nullix | well, i have multiboot, then it reboots by default on android for phase2 i have to force it to reboot on internal. |
| 16:54.18 | lindi- | [ |
| 16:55.05 | SeligArkin | hmms |
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| 16:56.46 | nullix | uhm: seems that second run was detected during stop of first phase ( i have -> second run detected, c00l :) traces in first ssh |
| 16:57.12 | nullix | and now it started something but then screen is black buttons not responding |
| 16:57.23 | nullix | no usb conenctivity eitehr |
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| 17:01.34 | nullix | had to disconnect battery to recover |
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| 17:02.38 | SeligArkin | nullix: was the red aux light flashing? |
| 17:02.49 | nullix | nope |
| 17:02.56 | SeligArkin | huh |
| 17:03.12 | SeligArkin | shrugs |
| 17:03.16 | nullix | but now it gets englightment |
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| 17:04.45 | nullix | some messages with modules errors but it works |
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| 17:07.33 | nullix | now i run second second step |
| 17:08.20 | nullix | i have got kustomizer windows and i upgrade |
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| 17:11.40 | rhkfin | nullix: did the first stage finish & restart? |
| 17:12.05 | nullix | yes first stage finiished long time ago :-) |
| 17:12.18 | nullix | and restarted |
| 17:12.38 | rhkfin | so everything's good? |
| 17:13.02 | nullix | i am in "installing all coll apps on the net" |
| 17:13.09 | nullix | yep |
| 17:13.20 | nullix | pong package was not found |
| 17:13.29 | nullix | nothing worrying yet |
| 17:14.56 | nullix | just as i wrote previously : second stage was trying to start right before restart at end of first kustomizer stage / ssh session, but it didn't do anything. |
| 17:15.11 | nullix | We're almost ther be patient :) |
| 17:16.15 | nullix | An error occurred, return value: 2. |
| 17:16.22 | nullix | uhm not so helpfull error |
| 17:16.50 | nullix | while configuring libboost-signals1.33.1 |
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| 17:21.24 | nullix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.21 | slaxxin | there should be a required library ftp so something that stores these damn libraries so we wont have to hunt because of this unorganized cluster f--k |
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| 17:23.45 | slaxxin | sorted fiest by which branch they work in |
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| 17:23.59 | slaxxin | first* |
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| 17:26.03 | rhkfin | nullix: some packages from opkg.org fail.. I know.. |
| 17:26.55 | rhkfin | But that's bad if it doesn't restart. In a way it's ok but it might be slow if you have a lot of stuff (=tangogps map tiles) on the memory card |
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| 17:30.15 | nullix | it restarted after first phase but it just hang after enlightment, restarting it did it. |
| 17:30.33 | nullix | it is currently in second phase still installing new packages |
| 17:30.54 | nullix | ( We're almost there message is quite optimistic... ) |
| 17:31.39 | rhkfin | nullix: ah, ok.. so first stage was good, it restarted but when trying to start enlightenment, nothing happened? That's weird.. You're sure it wasn't screensaver/suspend that had time to hit in? |
| 17:31.49 | rhkfin | nullix: agreed :) |
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| 17:33.21 | nullix | rhkn: well i am sure that screensave/suspend actualy WAS hit (when i restarted it was set to 30s, i deactivatted it ) |
| 17:33.32 | nullix | but buttons didn't resume |
| 17:33.47 | nullix | and usb conenctivty was lost ( due to syuspend certainly ) |
| 17:34.20 | nullix | perhaps the script should make sure it disable suspend mode. |
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| 17:34.51 | rhkfin | ok.. I'd like to know the way to disable the suspend except preventing it when running something.. |
| 17:35.14 | rhkfin | I have no idea how to change the default suspend time to 'off' from command line.. |
| 17:35.26 | nullix | me neither |
| 17:35.46 | nullix | by the way : you're script is great it saves times |
| 17:36.38 | rhkfin | nullix: that's why it was written :) |
| 17:37.14 | rhkfin | The downside is that some packages fail to install because they're not available etc. If you feel something's missing, surf to opkg.org.. |
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| 17:39.48 | nullix | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Kustomizer-install.png is quite different from what i saw on my screen |
| 17:40.21 | nullix | i have really less messages even i i see in ssh all packages installing (for me it is engough ) |
| 17:41.10 | nullix | it look like it installs many time same packages |
| 17:42.04 | rhkfin | nullix: it actually doesn't install many times. The problem is with the ash functions and 'tee' that are used to write the log to a file.. For some reason it messes the output.. |
| 17:42.35 | nullix | ok, but logged output is ok ? |
| 17:42.48 | rhkfin | nullix: no, it's a mess, too.. |
| 17:42.49 | rhkfin | secondstage 2>&1 | tee -a kustomizer.log |
| 17:43.06 | rhkfin | that's the line.. If anyone has any ideas how to improve it, you're welcome.. |
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| 17:47.23 | nullix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.35 | nullix | so many packages... |
| 17:47.39 | rhkfin | nullix: but you're right, should run & take a new screenshot.. |
| 17:47.54 | rhkfin | nullix: indeed.. |
| 17:48.27 | nullix | what app did you use to take screenshot ? |
| 17:48.55 | nullix | RESTART in 30s |
| 17:49.33 | rhkfin | nullix: qpe-scap from ssh |
| 17:49.52 | rhkfin | earlier version installed that in stage one (to be able to take the screenshot :) |
| 17:50.27 | nullix | too late :-) |
| 17:51.21 | rhkfin | np :) |
| 17:51.34 | jhass840 | Okay, I've been having trouble with GPS so I decided to run ps -e in the terminal to see of fso-gpsd is running. I see that it is in memory, but the amount of time it has been running always shows 00:00:00 no matter what. I have tried changing the GPS from "Auto" to "ON" in SHR settings, and also running fso-gpsd -n. However, no matter what I do it appears that fso-gpsd is never running |
| 17:53.40 | rhkfin | jhass840: what distro, SHR I guess? |
| 17:53.45 | rhkfin | ah, right :) |
| 17:54.07 | jhass840 | rhkfin: Same problem? I guess it's broken? |
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| 17:56.49 | freerunnerlive1 | hello can anyone help me with u-boot ? |
| 17:57.10 | nullix | rhkfin: reboot ok ! super i'am playing Linball :-) |
| 17:57.14 | nullix | thnaks |
| 17:57.22 | nullix | have to go home now |
| 17:57.24 | nullix | bye |
| 17:57.28 | rhkfin | jhass840: no, I don't run SHR, just asked - knowing the distro makes it easier for people to help |
| 17:57.31 | rhkfin | nullix: greta :) |
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| 17:57.33 | rhkfin | great |
| 17:57.43 | mmontour | freerunnerlive1: what's your question? |
| 17:58.02 | freerunnerlive1 | i have a uboot meu changes with debian instller |
| 17:58.16 | freerunnerlive1 | but i can not change it back |
| 17:58.47 | freerunnerlive1 | i flashed some versions but the menu don't change |
| 17:58.56 | freerunnerlive1 | he want to boot from sd card debian |
| 17:59.12 | freerunnerlive1 | and the second option is boot ing from flash |
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| 17:59.42 | freerunnerlive1 | is there a way to change it that uboot boot first from flash ? |
| 17:59.47 | mmontour | The menu entries are stored in environment variables. You can boot the Freerunner into NAND u-boot (hold down power then aux) then connect over USB-serial ("screen /dev/ttyACM0" or similar on your host pc) |
| 18:00.08 | mmontour | "printenv", "setenv", and "saveenv" u-boot commands will let you make any changes you want |
| 18:00.39 | mmontour | "bootcmd" is what u-boot executes on a normal boot, and "menu_N" specifies what each menu entry does |
| 18:01.55 | freerunnerlive1 | is there a manuel because i 'm not enfglish people and only a user :-( or do you have the reight command to type into the terminal ? |
| 18:01.59 | freerunnerlive1 | please ? |
| 18:03.24 | freerunnerlive1 | i must have running distrobution to change it ? |
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| 18:04.19 | mmontour | The closest thing to a manual is the openmoko wiki, e.g. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_environment |
| 18:05.06 | mmontour | You don't need a running distribution. You connect over USB to the u-boot console |
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| 18:05.46 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd053f8390450 10/libfsoframework/ (10 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: plugin is a typemodule now |
| 18:05.47 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re1bf7be5aab4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: catch up with fsoframework changes |
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| 18:06.41 | freerunnerlive1 | set to usb or serial ? |
| 18:06.54 | mmontour | usb |
| 18:07.04 | freerunnerlive1 | and then ? |
| 18:07.12 | freerunnerlive1 | printenv |
| 18:07.33 | freerunnerlive1 | printenv with options ? |
| 18:07.48 | freerunnerlive1 | into terminal ? |
| 18:08.18 | mmontour | You should take some time to read the wiki pages and understand what the commands do. I don't have time right now to figure out the exact commands that you need to enter, but if you 'pastebin' the output of the printenv command then someone else here might be able to help |
| 18:08.47 | freerunnerlive1 | ok i want to work :-) |
| 18:08.51 | freerunnerlive1 | thanks a lot |
| 18:08.59 | slaxxin | maybe a .jff2 file after kustomizer is finished would save everybody some time |
| 18:09.15 | slaxxin | S |
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| 18:11.37 | rhkfin | slaxxin: feel free to do it.. a) I don't want to host it, b) I'd like people also have a look at the script to learn stuff c) more work. But I'm all for it if someone else does it. |
| 18:11.55 | rhkfin | I'd prefer a working repository.. |
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| 18:13.18 | slaxxin | well the script is quite usefull antways |
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| 18:16.11 | rhkfin | it gives also the possibility to comment away thing they don't want. |
| 18:16.44 | rhkfin | And if you look it closely, it'd also copy some config files from /media/card and run you custom script from there, if they existed :) |
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| 19:06.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r90d966a94571 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: fsoframework: this was not supposed to be commited yet |
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| 19:10.44 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8cab892af0cf 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: fsoframework: compile it |
| 19:10.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f28a1302798 10/libfsoframework/ (README fsoframework/subsystem.vala): add note about our vala mirror. |
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| 19:25.25 | Quinn_Storm | grumbles |
| 19:25.49 | Quinn_Storm | back to trying to flash the device, still not getting any luck (using -oo and such, but maybe I'm not doing the process in quite the right way somehow?) |
| 19:26.07 | Quinn_Storm | its just hanging at the 'reset target' state no matter what I issue on the second ssh session |
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| 19:27.34 | tomboy64 | Quinn_Storm, why not using dfu-util? |
| 19:28.41 | Quinn_Storm | talking about flashing gsm firmware |
| 19:28.46 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: are you using GTA01? |
| 19:28.52 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, its a GTA01 |
| 19:29.18 | Quinn_Storm | I got a partial flash the first try, and ever since I haven't been able to get it to do anything |
| 19:29.23 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: ok, then try to do the following: first, power off and remove the battery. |
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| 19:30.13 | Quinn_Storm | done |
| 19:30.40 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: Now fully boot and connect via ssh. |
| 19:31.40 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after that pastebin the "ps ax" output. |
| 19:32.46 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: have you already downloaded moko11 btw? |
| 19:32.52 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I have |
| 19:33.15 | Quinn_Storm | is waiting on firefox right now, its being crashy on her little linux box (typing here from a different box) |
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| 19:34.21 | Quinn_Storm | http://pastebin.ca/1362529 |
| 19:35.48 | PaulFert` | Ok, now /etc/init.d/fso-framework stop (or something very similiar) |
| 19:36.43 | Quinn_Storm | hmm there's no fso-framework, just fso-gpsd and fso-monitord |
| 19:37.07 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: Then it's called framework or something like that. |
| 19:37.08 | Quinn_Storm | there's frameworkd, fso-gpsd, fso-monitord... |
| 19:37.09 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 19:37.23 | Quinn_Storm | frameworkd is shut down |
| 19:38.09 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: you can also disable bluetooth, connman and everything else not needed. Please pastebin the ps ax output after that. |
| 19:40.05 | Quinn_Storm | http://pastebin.ca/1362535 |
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| 19:41.02 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: wow, cool |
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| 19:41.47 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: now "cd /usr/sbin" and "FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -b 115200 -f $HOME/path_to_moko11.m0" |
| 19:41.57 | Quinn_Storm | ok, no resetting first? |
| 19:42.46 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: no, why reset :) |
| 19:42.54 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: so, no resetting first, it's not needed. |
| 19:44.48 | Quinn_Storm | ok, that's running |
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| 19:45.22 | Quinn_Storm | its hung at bootloader: (reset target) as expected |
| 19:45.39 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: on the other console do "s3c24xx-gpio b7=0", wait 1 sec, "s3c24xx-gpio b7=1", wait 1 sec, "s3c24xx-gpio b7=0" |
| 19:46.37 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, nothing from that |
| 19:47.01 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try to repeat the last step with s3c24xx-gpio |
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| 19:47.35 | Fougner | hey! |
| 19:47.36 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: ah, it might be necessary to do "echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on" and if it doesn't help, repeat gpio dance after that. |
| 19:47.50 | Fougner | hey PaulFert` |
| 19:48.00 | Fougner | you're good with Linux in general? |
| 19:48.26 | Quinn_Storm | is trying these bits |
| 19:48.37 | PaulFert` | Fougner: to some degree, yes. That's the only OS i use. |
| 19:49.07 | Quinn_Storm | damn, no luck so far |
| 19:49.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: repeat the gpio dance |
| 19:49.53 | Quinn_Storm | already did |
| 19:49.57 | Quinn_Storm | do it again? |
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| 19:50.11 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: yes (have you "powered" the modem via sysfs already?) |
| 19:50.31 | Quinn_Storm | yeah |
| 19:50.37 | Quinn_Storm | then I redid the gpio dance |
| 19:50.42 | Quinn_Storm | since nothing happened |
| 19:51.07 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: repeat again, it won't hurt :) |
| 19:51.25 | Quinn_Storm | nothing |
| 19:51.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: ok, what's the output of s3c24xx-gpio B6 |
| 19:52.02 | Quinn_Storm | ">0" |
| 19:52.31 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try to set it to 1, then to 0 again. |
| 19:52.54 | Quinn_Storm | ok, did that |
| 19:53.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: If fluid is still waiting, repeat the "main" gpio dance. |
| 19:54.18 | Quinn_Storm | did so, fluid's still waiting |
| 19:54.22 | Fougner | PaulFert`, okay, I'm trying to setup samba, and I guess I'm just blind, because I try to connect to it, and it just tells me: "(Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED" |
| 19:54.38 | Fougner | I guess it's not directly related to samba |
| 19:54.45 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: If it doesn't help, kill fluid, and do "FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -od13,13 -vvv -f $HOME/path_to_moko11.m0" |
| 19:54.52 | Fougner | I'd say it's about the general networking or something.. firewall? |
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| 19:55.06 | PaulFert` | Fougner: query me in private |
| 19:55.44 | Quinn_Storm | ok, now its spewing R's |
| 19:56.10 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: now repeat the gpio dance. |
| 19:56.47 | Quinn_Storm | no effect on its output |
| 19:58.36 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try the instructions in "Powercycle the modem" block to turn it on and then "s3c24xx-gpio b7=1" to turn it on again |
| 19:58.55 | Quinn_Storm | ok, just follow them as written? |
| 19:59.32 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: yes, just the block with powercycling. |
| 19:59.57 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:00.20 | Quinn_Storm | ok, did that, followed by b7=1, no effect |
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| 20:02.00 | Quinn_Storm | just staring at a screenful of 'R' |
| 20:02.28 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try again the same (the block and then turn on). |
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| 20:03.22 | Quinn_Storm | still nothing |
| 20:05.07 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: hm, let me think... |
| 20:05.49 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: wow, one more idea :) |
| 20:06.24 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: what is the output of gpio H0, H1, H2 and H3? |
| 20:06.42 | Quinn_Storm | all report 'F1' |
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| 20:08.42 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: hm, that can be a clue |
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| 20:09.58 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: do stty -crtscts -F /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 20:10.10 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: then check the gpio outputs of H0-H3 again. |
| 20:11.35 | Quinn_Storm | no change |
| 20:11.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after that you need to do H1=0 (to force flow control off) |
| 20:11.43 | Quinn_Storm | (should I kill fluid?) |
| 20:11.47 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:11.55 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: not needed, i guess. |
| 20:12.06 | Quinn_Storm | ok, set h1 to 0 |
| 20:12.10 | Quinn_Storm | no change on fluid |
| 20:12.29 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: now try to do b7=0, wait, b7=1 again |
| 20:12.50 | Quinn_Storm | nothing |
| 20:13.23 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: and again? |
| 20:14.29 | Quinn_Storm | no change |
| 20:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | re |
| 20:14.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try to restart the fluid |
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| 20:15.36 | Quinn_Storm | ok, have fluid restarted, still R |
| 20:15.51 | jones | anyone intereested in a freerunner with a damaged screen? |
| 20:15.57 | Quinn_Storm | h0-h3 read: F1 <0 F1 F1 |
| 20:15.58 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after fluid starts to set R, you're supposed to power-cycle the modem. b7=0, b7=1 should do that. |
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| 20:16.19 | Quinn_Storm | powercycling doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 20:16.25 | Quinn_Storm | still just showing 'R' |
| 20:16.40 | PaulFert` | Actually, it's not powercycling, but should be equivalent to. |
| 20:17.02 | Quinn_Storm | well, either way, fluid doesn't seem to be liking it |
| 20:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not remebering detail but there was some nasty mux of debug console and gsm-tty |
| 20:17.51 | PaulFert` | Yes, but the debug console is supposed to be turned off on "echo 1 > power_on" |
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| 20:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | also I'm not sure about ttySACx for gta01 |
| 20:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | we should summon mwester ;-) |
| 20:19.17 | PaulFert` | No, that is definetly correct. Port #0 |
| 20:19.48 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: can testrst be of any help? |
| 20:19.54 | shellevil | PaulFert`: can gta01 and gta02 screens be swapped? |
| 20:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | ok, werner's posting at ML definitely was based on GTA01 sop |
| 20:20.30 | PaulFert` | shellevil: ask Doc, he's the hardware expert :) I guess yes :) |
| 20:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: yup |
| 20:21.00 | shellevil | err - DocScrutinizer I meant. I assume it's a soldered down ribbon? |
| 20:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | pcba is a connector |
| 20:21.41 | shellevil | Interesting, thanks. |
| 20:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 20:22.01 | mmontour | Quinn_Storm: my advice would be to give the GSM a real power-cycle (shut down the phone, remove USB power and battery for a few seconds) |
| 20:22.01 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: try to repeat from the battery removal following the wiki instruction closely, but use my last fluid command instead of the one given. |
| 20:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:22.09 | Quinn_Storm | ok, trying that again to see if its any better this time |
| 20:22.17 | mmontour | Also remove the /etc/rc.d symlink so that frameworkd (or anything else that will touch the modem) is not started on reboot |
| 20:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | though werner told it's not needed |
| 20:22.38 | Quinn_Storm | oh crap, lol, was too early in pulling battery, will do that, then reboot again |
| 20:23.03 | mmontour | Sorry, should've mentioned the symlink one first |
| 20:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: ping!!! |
| 20:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | nah, mmontour you also did the 01-gsmflash, right? |
| 20:25.15 | mmontour | Yeah, I followed the wiki instructions and it worked for me. I think it was "moko10" |
| 20:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, me need some meal |
| 20:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: on gta01? |
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| 20:27.06 | mmontour | I've flashed gsm on my gta01 and gta02 (gta02 is up to moko11, gta01 was an older version) |
| 20:27.12 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: the difference is that now Quinn_Storm needs to use ROM bootloader as his flashing attempt failed inbetween the previous time. And there can be some flow-control-related nastyness. |
| 20:27.25 | Quinn_Storm | s/his/her/ ^_^ |
| 20:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 20:27.58 | mmontour | Actually looks like it was "gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-moko9-beta1.m0" on the gta01 |
| 20:28.01 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: you rock :) |
| 20:28.34 | Quinn_Storm | oh? |
| 20:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not really I'd assume. rombl is without hw-fc |
| 20:29.08 | PaulFert` | Yes, i know. Still it can have some side-effect. |
| 20:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: so might I ask you to take over. I'm out for meal now :) |
| 20:30.14 | Quinn_Storm | ok, tried those instructions (restart completely, follow powercycle block, do fluid command, do b7=1) and nothing new happened (still 'R' like last time) |
| 20:30.48 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: enjoy your meal, i hope it's a healthy one :) |
| 20:30.57 | Quinn_Storm | oh and on the screen of the moko I see: "rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000e" |
| 20:30.59 | Quinn_Storm | (twice) |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rda33012c982e 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: fsodeviced: lower dbus requirement to 1.2.1 |
| 20:31.21 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, connmand is running, probably should zap that and reboot again |
| 20:31.28 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: no, shouldn't matter |
| 20:31.30 | mmontour | DocScrutinizer: I don't think there's much I can do at this point. I don't really understand the fluid voodoo - I just typed in what the wiki said |
| 20:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: has to be, as me isn't that well and healthy today |
| 20:31.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: what does stty -a -F /dev/ttySAC0 |grep crtscts show? |
| 20:32.03 | Quinn_Storm | -crtscts |
| 20:32.12 | PaulFert` | Sounds good. |
| 20:32.37 | Quinn_Storm | there's no -b in the fluid line so I imagine its opening it at the 19200 listed by stty |
| 20:32.57 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: really? |
| 20:33.11 | Quinn_Storm | the line I was given earlier had no -b in it |
| 20:33.19 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: the default seems to be 115200 |
| 20:33.22 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:33.26 | Quinn_Storm | stty shows 19200 at the top |
| 20:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:33.48 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, I also see a mention of a gsm wakeup interrupt on the screen before those two rxerr lines |
| 20:33.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: pastebin the stty -a -F /dev/ttySAC0 output |
| 20:33.51 | Quinn_Storm | not sure what those might mean |
| 20:33.51 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:34.30 | Quinn_Storm | http://pastebin.ca/1362610 |
| 20:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | you know for GTA01 powercycle for modem is "send AT@poff" then pulse reset line |
| 20:35.05 | Quinn_Storm | b6? |
| 20:35.27 | Quinn_Storm | b/c b6 is MODEM_RST and b7 is MODEM_ON |
| 20:35.49 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: stty 0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 -F /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 20:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | then to send AT@poff you probably need to restart fluid, as it most likely will conflict |
| 20:36.13 | Quinn_Storm | ok, I'm a little lost |
| 20:36.17 | Quinn_Storm | will do that stty command |
| 20:36.46 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: in my testing cycling MODEM_ON always restarted the firmware nevertheless. |
| 20:36.56 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: without really cutting power or doing other stuff. |
| 20:37.11 | PaulFert` | At least i seen "AT command interpreter ready" |
| 20:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm interesting |
| 20:37.31 | Quinn_Storm | root@om-gta01 ~ $ stty 0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0: |
| 20:37.34 | PaulFert` | There are some nasty issues with wrong stty settings for some people. billk can tell you more |
| 20:37.35 | Quinn_Storm | 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 -F /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 20:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | yup, good indication |
| 20:37.37 | Quinn_Storm | stty: /dev/ttySAC0: cannot perform all requested operations |
| 20:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | away now. ping me later |
| 20:38.36 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: that should still be better. Stop fluid. Do the operations from "powercycle the modem" block. Start fluid with -b 115200 (and other stuff i told you), do b7=1 to turn the modem on. |
| 20:38.52 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 20:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | poweron done best ~2sec after fluid start |
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| 20:42.01 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i'm currently trying to reproduce the stuff |
| 20:42.13 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 20:42.21 | Quinn_Storm | nothing with this attempt |
| 20:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | btw the "RRR" means fluid talking to calypso but missed BL looking for Fluid |
| 20:43.17 | Quinn_Storm | btw I'm using a thoroughly lobottomized shr-lite image (lots of stuff removed, services not running, etc.) |
| 20:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | so this one was a near miss, where fluid been started to late |
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| 20:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | iirc that is! |
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| 20:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: set default initlevel to S |
| 20:45.46 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: looks like i can reproduce that. Investigating... |
| 20:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | nah, sorry DONT DO this |
| 20:46.25 | Quinn_Storm | DocScrutinizer: lol, yeah, that'd keep ssh from starting most likely |
| 20:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:47.01 | SeligArkin | throws a pillow at DocScrutinizer |
| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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| 20:49.59 | SeligArkin | throws a sofa at doc|work |
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| 20:51.02 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: ok, trying to do the same on the FR without touching power control gives the same result. I'll try to see what i can do. |
| 20:51.18 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
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| 20:51.32 | Quinn_Storm | it would be nice to unbrick the gsm modem on this device |
| 20:51.41 | Quinn_Storm | of course...tbh..its only so useful here in the us |
| 20:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | doc|work: sorry that's been intended for me I guess |
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| 20:54.27 | Kero | hm, so after a dozen recharges I find my battery (gta01) at 100% instead of maxing out at 87%. Did something recalibrate, or do I have a fully charged battery once more? 4.1V, I think it's old 100% :) |
| 20:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: i didn't know gta01 has any percentage gaughe for bat charge at all |
| 20:56.03 | Kero | "capacity" |
| 20:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | 4.1 sounds like rather completely charged |
| 20:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | maybe there is capacity, but no idea where it's derived from |
| 20:56.37 | shellevil | 4.1 is something like 90% IIRC |
| 20:56.45 | shellevil | 4.2 is 100% |
| 20:56.45 | Kero | dunno what produces capacity (hardware or some driver that reinterprets voltage) |
| 20:57.02 | shellevil | the hardware just measures the volts |
| 20:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: basically you can't tell |
| 20:57.10 | shellevil | anything in percent would be software |
| 20:57.12 | Kero | with power, 4.19V reads 100% |
| 20:57.23 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: you can tell - if you know the current too |
| 20:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | yup that's the point |
| 20:57.45 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: or if the battery has been disconnected for a bit. |
| 20:57.48 | shellevil | but, yes |
| 20:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | current is what counts |
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| 20:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | voltage largely changes with temp |
| 20:58.44 | Quinn_Storm | heh, wish I could trade up for a US freerunner |
| 20:59.19 | Kero | neo is not warm, atm. |
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| 21:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: maybe there's a way. quite some ppl desperately searching a gta01 for test purposes |
| 21:00.48 | Quinn_Storm | oh? |
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| 21:01.16 | Quinn_Storm | well I have an 01bv4 with a gsm modem that is slightly bricked but likely recoverable (just a bad flash, that's why I'm here atm) |
| 21:01.39 | Quinn_Storm | a US band freerunner would be much more useful to me since the gta01 isn't us band at all |
| 21:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, every 3 months there arises another demand for gta01 |
| 21:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | staistically |
| 21:03.02 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: you should really go eat some decent food :) |
| 21:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | on my way |
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| 21:03.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: ok, let's try it like that: kill the fluid. do H1=0, H2=F, B7=1. |
| 21:04.15 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: B6=1; load my correct stty settings. |
| 21:04.24 | Quinn_Storm | ok, one moment |
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| 21:05.53 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after that start fluid with FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 ./fluid.exe -oo -od13,13 -b 115200 -f /path/moko11.m0 |
| 21:06.14 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after that B6=0 and prey :) |
| 21:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | 2sec! |
| 21:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | or 3 |
| 21:07.25 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: looks like MODEM_ON doesn't fully restart the firmware, the bootloader is not run again. Especially given he has no main firmware running anymore. |
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| 21:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | yup, so at@poff won't work |
| 21:08.11 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: if only !TESTRSTZ works, that should be equivalent to power-cycling, but i can't check here, because i have a GTA02 :) |
| 21:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | but reset should I'd say |
| 21:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 21:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'd swap for a GTA02, alas I only have 900ers |
| 21:09.15 | Quinn_Storm | nothing |
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| 21:10.07 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: was stty call with my correct parameters successful? |
| 21:10.18 | Quinn_Storm | no, couldn't set everything |
| 21:10.32 | Quinn_Storm | stty: /dev/ttySAC0: cannot perform all requested operations |
| 21:10.45 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: do it twice in a row |
| 21:10.55 | Quinn_Storm | ok that works |
| 21:11.11 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: after that start fluid and release reset. |
| 21:11.13 | Quinn_Storm | starting over, h1/h2/b7/b6/stty/stty/fluid/b6 |
| 21:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | -crtscts is sufficient I'd say. fluid controlls all settings |
| 21:11.38 | mmontour | I thought that the GSM Reset line wasn't connected on GTA01 |
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| 21:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah in 01 it is |
| 21:11.58 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: you can skip setting gpios already set (except you're supposed to set reset to 1 before starting fluid and to 0 after it starts waiting). |
| 21:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 21:12.17 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: looks like nobody tried to flash GTA01 without the main GSM firmware... |
| 21:12.46 | Quinn_Storm | still can't get it to do anything |
| 21:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | there can't be any difference |
| 21:13.14 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: there's as we can't really power-cycle the modem :( |
| 21:13.40 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: i can't check the effect of TSTRZT here, as the line is not easily accessible. |
| 21:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup we can: remove bat |
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| 21:14.55 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: it will start BL immediately while fluid is not running yet. |
| 21:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's BAD |
| 21:15.31 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: except desoldering B1701 (that connects VB and VBAT) |
| 21:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | I need to think about this, while eating |
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| 21:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | might be a real issue, yeah |
| 21:16.34 | PaulFert` | Can it be that TESTRZT don't have a real reset effect and doesn't start the BL? |
| 21:16.42 | PaulFert` | Or is it just serial misconfiguration? |
| 21:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | nobody knows |
| 21:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 21:17.08 | Quinn_Storm | heh I should set up a tunnel so others can ssh to my phone |
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| 21:18.44 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: An "easy way for you to power-cycle the modem is to desolder B1701 (0603 L, i guess) and solder 2 wires to that to switch power on/off. |
| 21:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | heh, slow down ;) |
| 21:19.24 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 21:19.30 | Quinn_Storm | no way I have that kind of soldering skill |
| 21:19.32 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: yeah, too "easy" :) |
| 21:19.52 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: though powercycling works for FR to trigger start of BL reliably. |
| 21:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: get a hs-cable to Quinn_Storm ! more easy |
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| 21:21.07 | PaulFert` | And MODEM_ON never triggers the start |
| 21:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | away |
| 21:21.34 | mmontour | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem#Power_On.2C_Power_Off.2C_and_Reset_of_the_GTA01_GSM_Modem has some notes about power-cycling gta01. Anything useful there? |
| 21:21.54 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: are you comfortable with wiring a simple cable with one RS232-UART converter? |
| 21:22.18 | PaulFert` | mmontour: yes, but without the main firmware running AT@POFF doesn't have any effect. |
| 21:22.27 | Quinn_Storm | tbh, I doubt it, I don't really have parts or any soldering experience, I'm a software girl |
| 21:22.38 | PaulFert` | mmontour: i wish i could access TESTRZT now to check if it starts the BL or not... |
| 21:22.51 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: already forgot that :( |
| 21:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: the transistor is NC on gta02 |
| 21:24.47 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: yes, i could ground the other side of pullup R, but it's under the can :-/ |
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| 21:27.54 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: at least you're pioneering the proper flashing of GSM on gta01 :) |
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| 21:28.43 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 21:28.53 | Quinn_Storm | unfortunately, I'm not successful so far |
| 21:29.29 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: if only you could solder, it'd be much simpler... |
| 21:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: /nick DocS_theFool |
| 21:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | came back to tell you: |
| 21:29.57 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, eventually I'll learn |
| 21:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | you had my answer already: REMOVE BAT |
| 21:30.16 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: but it will shutdown the SoC as well |
| 21:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | calypso is powered via bat, even on gta01 |
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| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | nope, SoC runs from USB happily |
| 21:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | and bye |
| 21:30.55 | SpeedEvil | It does? |
| 21:31.02 | PaulFert` | So USB power won't come through to it? Via charging curcuit? |
| 21:31.02 | SpeedEvil | not for me last time I tried it |
| 21:31.13 | SpeedEvil | hunts for USB cable |
| 21:31.20 | mmontour | GTA01 gets really unhappy on USB power with no battery |
| 21:31.25 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: for me on gta02v6 it does run ok |
| 21:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | you should stop charging nevertheless prior to removing bat |
| 21:31.39 | PaulFert` | Ok, not an easy task... |
| 21:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise; scream of death on gta01 |
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| 21:33.05 | PaulFert` | mmontour: and really unhappy means? |
| 21:34.35 | SpeedEvil | not on 01 |
| 21:34.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:34.47 | mmontour | PaulFert`: means the "scream of death" that DocScrutinizer mentioned (something oscillating or overloaded in the PMU; I don't remember exactly what it is) |
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| 21:35.05 | PaulFert` | mmontour: Oh, i think i remember messages about that... Too bad. |
| 21:39.44 | Wonka | ermm.... what was the issue if one updated SHR and all the labels were there but all the icons went missing? |
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| 21:53.45 | mmontour | Quinn_Storm: what timezone are you in? I might have some time this evening (Canada/Pacific) to take a closer look at your GSM problem |
| 21:55.25 | Quinn_Storm | mmontour: I'm in california (PST5PDT) |
| 21:55.53 | PaulFert` | mmontour: You can try to break your GSM firmware and flash again with ROM? ;) |
| 21:59.49 | mmontour | PaulFert`: I'd rather not go quite that far, although I did do an intentional "nand erase" when I was learning how to unbrick my gta01 with the debug board |
| 22:00.38 | mmontour | I'm wondering if it would help to build a custom kernel that would not touch the GTA01_GPIO_MODEM_ON line when the power_on sys file is activated (but would do all of the other stuff). |
| 22:00.53 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: if you're provided with parts and instructions on how to solder a HS-GSM cable, will you be able to find someone to do it? |
| 22:02.13 | Quinn_Storm | PaulFert`: most likely, it doesn't involve soldering to any points on the board does it? |
| 22:02.33 | mmontour | So the sequence would be: cold boot, hacked "power_on", serial-port setup, start fluid, then finally toggle the "b7" gpio |
| 22:02.57 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: it doesn't. The only tricky part is to get a proper 2.5 plug |
| 22:03.43 | Quinn_Storm | ok, then yeah, if I had the proper parts I'm sure I could find someone to do it |
| 22:03.46 | PaulFert` | mmontour: yes, it should work in theory |
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| 22:05.38 | kr1s | hi, did somebody know a java vm for arm cpus? I need one for this device: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 |
| 22:05.46 | kr1s | i dont know where to ask :) |
| 22:05.56 | PaulFert` | mmontour: but i can't see how it can work without powering off first and that doesn't seem possible without control over it. |
| 22:06.00 | lindi- | kr1s: openjdk with zero |
| 22:06.00 | SpeedEvil | kr1s: rwhitby would know if anyone does |
| 22:06.06 | lindi- | kr1s: or cacao |
| 22:06.06 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 22:06.26 | mwester | kr1s: #nslu2-linux |
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| 22:06.38 | Quinn_Storm | kr1s: gcj? |
| 22:06.54 | kr1s | i think gcj dont run on arm cpus |
| 22:06.54 | lindi- | Quinn_Storm: the vm is gij? |
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| 22:07.45 | lindi- | kr1s: surely it does |
| 22:07.57 | lindi- | kr1s: **** Package gcj-4.2 **** |
| 22:07.57 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.57 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.23 | mmontour | PaulFert`: I was hoping that the Calypso wouldn't do anything until it sees the first 0->1 transition of the b7 gpio, but that may not be the case with broken firmware |
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| 22:10.52 | PaulFert` | mmontour: Hm, you're probably right. That gives some hope. |
| 22:11.10 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: still there ready to test stuff? |
| 22:11.23 | mmontour | If it starts running as soon as it gets power, and fluid has to be running by that time, then we would be out of luck |
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| 22:12.08 | PaulFert` | mmontour: Yes, yes, looks like you're damn right. But one shouldn't touch power_on sysfs node before that. |
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| 22:16.05 | Quinn_Storm | PaulFert`: yeah |
| 22:17.44 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: good. Now turn off the phone completely, take out the battery for some 10 sec. Then start it, and connect to it. Use my stty settings and start fluid (as i suggested, with -oo -od13,13). |
| 22:18.12 | Quinn_Storm | ok, so just stty then fluid? |
| 22:18.13 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: then "echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on" and fluid should connect to the BL |
| 22:18.22 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: yes, the idea is to do that. |
| 22:19.04 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 22:19.07 | Quinn_Storm | trying that in a moment |
| 22:22.16 | PaulFert` | mmontour: no, if MODEM_ON is 0 it doesn't start after actually powering it. |
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| 22:22.40 | PaulFert` | mmontour: i hope u-boot won't interefere, will it? |
| 22:23.02 | mmontour | I don't think so. |
| 22:23.46 | Quinn_Storm | that did it |
| 22:23.48 | Quinn_Storm | its flashing |
| 22:23.54 | mmontour | There are manual u-boot commands to access GSM but it shouldn't power it on unless you ask it to |
| 22:24.00 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 22:25.19 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: oh really? |
| 22:25.52 | Quinn_Storm | yep, it just finished |
| 22:25.55 | Quinn_Storm | tests it |
| 22:26.02 | PaulFert` | Hail to mmontour!!! |
| 22:26.27 | mmontour | And to PaulFert`'s magic stty incantation |
| 22:26.31 | PaulFert` | And DocScrutinizer who was talking about taking out the battery all the time :) |
| 22:26.55 | Blu3 | <- new. i received my phone today, fixed the repository information (using angstrom) according to the wiki, did an upgrade, and rebooted my phone. it booted, i got to the openmoko splash, then it dropped back to what looks like an ongoing dmesg: pcf50633_irq: entering ... scheduling work, work, SECOND ADCRDY |
| 22:27.07 | Blu3 | it constantly scrolls with this |
| 22:27.11 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, the testing isn't working, maybe b/c the modem was in a broken state before the flash |
| 22:27.16 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: can you outline your latest (i hope) successful attempt at the wiki? |
| 22:27.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: the testing doesn't matter really |
| 22:27.58 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: it doesn't always work. If fluid said it flashed ok, then it's like that. |
| 22:28.21 | PaulFert` | Blu3: what distro are you using? 2007.x? |
| 22:28.46 | Quinn_Storm | let me register for the wiki... |
| 22:28.48 | Blu3 | i assume it is, it's a US freerunner, default from shipment |
| 22:29.09 | PaulFert` | mmontour: i now wonder if stty was really necessary. But in my testing today there were some problems sometimes without it. |
| 22:29.18 | mmontour | Blu3: those are just debugging messages. They'll go away once you install a newer kernel and root filesystem (which is highly recommended) |
| 22:29.18 | PaulFert` | Blu3: doesn't say anything. |
| 22:29.26 | Blu3 | if i press one of the buttons, or push/pull power, i see an indication of it in the dmsg |
| 22:29.41 | Blu3 | ok, how do i get a command prompt or the gui back? :) |
| 22:30.04 | PaulFert` | Blu3: just flash a modern distro or run from uSD. |
| 22:30.26 | Blu3 | luckily i also ordered a dev board :P |
| 22:31.04 | PaulFert` | Blu3: why do you need it at all? Are you going to do some low-level bootloader or kernel debugging? |
| 22:31.23 | Blu3 | how else am i to get back into the phone? |
| 22:31.51 | SpeedEvil | Blu3: you can't brick the phone without the dev board |
| 22:32.05 | PaulFert` | Blu3: freerunner has NOR bootloader which allows you to flash anything you need to it. And you can't brick NOR unless you use a debug board or soldering tricks. |
| 22:32.07 | SpeedEvil | Blu3: there is an emergency flash which you can't write without the dev board |
| 22:32.22 | Blu3 | all answers are disregarding my question. how do i get a command prompt or gui interface? |
| 22:32.23 | SpeedEvil | Blu3: but even then, you're not there. just reflashing as normal will work for you |
| 22:32.33 | SpeedEvil | reflash to a working image |
| 22:32.39 | PaulFert` | Blu3: exactly :) |
| 22:32.45 | Blu3 | ok. _how_ |
| 22:32.47 | mmontour | Blu3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Testing_a_new_distribution |
| 22:33.12 | mmontour | Search for "dfu-util" for details of the actual flashing process |
| 22:33.22 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: have you tried to start actually using the modem? |
| 22:33.33 | Quinn_Storm | not yet, I would have to install another distro on there to do that |
| 22:34.02 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: why can't you just opkg install what you removed back? |
| 22:34.24 | Quinn_Storm | I blew away a lot of it by just rm-ing, I just wanted a bare distro to do the flash from |
| 22:35.14 | PaulFert` | I see. Still if fluid said there were no errors all blocks are fashed etc, it should work, no reason to not work. |
| 22:35.42 | Quinn_Storm | yeah |
| 22:35.44 | Blu3 | which of the distros referred to is fairly user friendly without needing a lot of little fixes? FDOM seems to be the big-has-everything, FOS seems to be SHR with fixes and pretty usable |
| 22:35.54 | Blu3 | FSO* |
| 22:36.25 | PaulFert` | Blu3: no, SHR is using FSO with custom dialer, sms etc programs. SHR is considered to be the most user friendly atm. |
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| 22:36.31 | Blu3 | ok |
| 22:38.01 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: Hey :) the procedure to flash a calypso without valid firmware installed on flash proved to be unexpectedly difficult on GTA01 :) |
| 22:38.26 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: but we managed to find the right sequence. |
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| 22:38.49 | mwester-laptop_ | is checking the back-logs |
| 22:39.07 | mwester-laptop_ | can't imagine why; should be no difference really |
| 22:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: PaulFert`: mmontour: congrats :))) |
| 22:39.29 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: because there's no easy way to power-cycle the modem on GTA01 without working firmware. |
| 22:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | so modem doen't start on bat insert right away |
| 22:39.43 | shellevil | how did it get into that state? |
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| 22:39.56 | mwester-laptop_ | urgh! I see that in the backlog. |
| 22:40.12 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: yeah, we knew that before. Just mmontour reminded me of it and suddenly all that started to make sense :) |
| 22:40.20 | mwester-laptop_ | I didn't realize I was in such a risky spot each time I reflashed my gta01s (which was done perhaps a half-dozen times so far)! |
| 22:40.23 | PaulFert` | shellevil: interrupted firmware upgrade. |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf |
| 22:40.54 | mwester-laptop_ | Ok, that needs a note on the wiki page. |
| 22:41.03 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm is already doing that |
| 22:41.07 | mwester-laptop_ | But I happy that it's resolved; that would have been bad. |
| 22:41.17 | mwester-laptop_ | (what cable were you mentioning?) |
| 22:41.26 | Wonka | AAAAAAAAH!!!1! |
| 22:41.32 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: to connect debug UART of calypso to rs232 of PC |
| 22:41.42 | mwester-laptop_ | Via uboot? |
| 22:41.55 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: no, calypso has 2 uarts: main and debug. |
| 22:41.55 | mwester-laptop_ | er,wait -- headphone jack, right? |
| 22:41.58 | PaulFert` | Yes |
| 22:42.15 | Wonka | "opkg info libc6" tells me libc6 2.6.1-r15.1 is installed and libc6 2.6.1-r15 is not-installed |
| 22:42.19 | mwester-laptop_ | ah. clever idea. tough to find 2.5mm 4-pole plug, though. |
| 22:42.21 | Wonka | i want to downgrade to the latter |
| 22:42.30 | Wonka | i even have downloaded the .ipk to /tmp/ |
| 22:42.35 | Quinn_Storm | I stuck a little writeup on /Talk |
| 22:42.36 | Wonka | but opkg won't install it. |
| 22:42.57 | Quinn_Storm | so, I'll bounce the phone again, get the modem to boot properly hopefully, and see what I can see from it |
| 22:43.06 | Wonka | neither with -force-downgrade nor with -force-reinstall nor with both nor with none |
| 22:43.15 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: 4-pole is not needed, 3-pole should work as well. |
| 22:43.19 | shellevil | PaulFert`: it's 12V capable - rs232? |
| 22:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | mwester-laptop_: (clever) nah, that's probably the next most behatred idea on Neo just after mux of console |
| 22:43.39 | mwester-laptop_ | Wonka: in the normal case, uninstall the package, then re-install the one in /tmp. |
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| 22:43.58 | mwester-laptop_ | Wonka: but you may not be able to do that with that library, as you rather need it for anything to run. |
| 22:43.59 | Wonka | mwester-laptop_: not really applicable to libc6, i fear |
| 22:44.00 | PaulFert` | shellevil: you know as well as i do that a "converter" (like max2323) should be used for that. |
| 22:44.08 | nezza-_- | anyone familiar with elm_slider_indicator_format_set? |
| 22:44.14 | Wonka | mwester-laptop_: and also, i think that's a bug in opkg... |
| 22:44.33 | mwester-laptop_ | Wonka: opkg is buggier than a mississippi swamp. |
| 22:44.45 | Wonka | mwester-laptop_: okaaay... |
| 22:44.56 | shellevil | PaulFert`: I know - I was meaning would it explode if you connect it to a PC |
| 22:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: hs-jack is 3.3V_LV-RS232 |
| 22:45.27 | mwester-laptop_ | Wonka: I'm the distro manager for another distro using opkg; I've been fighting with opkg bugs for months. The code is a disaster, leaks more memory than you can imagine. |
| 22:45.33 | PaulFert` | shellevil: directly? probably |
| 22:45.37 | mwester-laptop_ | We need to switch to dpkg |
| 22:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: I guarantee it would |
| 22:46.39 | mwester-laptop_ | (hs-jack) a USB phone cable like the ones used for the NSLU2 serial port and many other hacking projects will work nicely. |
| 22:46.52 | shellevil | ah - missed the full discussion in the scroll |
| 22:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | unless U use a R and clampdiode plus Zener to limit to 0V..3,3V |
| 22:47.02 | shellevil | I just saw 'cable' |
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| 22:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | still it's inverse AFAIR |
| 22:47.18 | shellevil | wishes zeners weren't so sloppy. |
| 22:47.35 | PaulFert` | shellevil: it's max3232 actually |
| 22:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | how's your foot? |
| 22:48.38 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop_: sure. It's just that soldering max3232 is easier than cp2101 or even ftdi232r. |
| 22:49.01 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: better a bit - done some more today - http://www.mauve.plus.com/bedroom-wall.jpg |
| 22:49.04 | Quinn_Storm | ugh, ok, rebooted, can't seem to figure out how to get the modem to say anything to me |
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| 22:49.48 | shellevil | Quinn_Storm: what with? do you have anormal image - and if what - flashed? |
| 22:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | there are zillion matching converter cables out there. only most of them have some proprietary connector to Siemens-cellphones or the like |
| 22:50.03 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,echo=0,b115200 |
| 22:50.11 | Quinn_Storm | I don't have socat I don't think |
| 22:50.21 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: and don't forget to echo 1 > power_on |
| 22:50.32 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I did the echo 1 |
| 22:50.37 | shellevil | cat /dev/ttySAC0 should give the banner |
| 22:50.41 | shellevil | shouldn't it? |
| 22:51.08 | PaulFert` | shellevil: if the stty settings are correct and after b7=0; sleep; b7=1 |
| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't forge this is GTA01 which prolly doesn't include latest sysfs patch! |
| 22:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | pushbutton! |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | forgeT |
| 22:51.55 | Wonka | mwester-laptop: hrm - who maintains opkg? |
| 22:52.01 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: i checked that push-button can be held pushed. It's raise that causes the intepreter to restarte. |
| 22:52.41 | Wonka | mwester-laptop: i am spontaneously thinking about looking into it to determine if i can start fixing it - but this would only make sense if patches got applied |
| 22:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | k, it worked all the time (more or less). I just wasn't aware which is pushbutton and which is (nonext on GTA01) switch |
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| 22:53.32 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i'd suggest to install socat or any terminal program to check reliably. |
| 22:54.22 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: or just start gsm0710muxd? |
| 22:54.38 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: it should connect right away |
| 22:54.41 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 22:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd|grep "interpreter" |
| 22:55.11 | PaulFert` | Nah, it's output is clear enough without |
| 22:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd|less +"/interpreter" even |
| 22:55.22 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, its at 'init control channel' right now |
| 22:55.33 | PaulFert` | Especially given it's "Interpreter" actually. |
| 22:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | bla :P |
| 22:55.52 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: hanging there? |
| 22:56.15 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, trying from cold boot, hang on |
| 22:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | rolling a cig ;-) |
| 22:57.02 | Wonka | ok. baaad baaad workaround. "vi /usr/lib/opkg/status", "opkg install -force-reinstall libc6" |
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| 22:57.09 | Wonka | works :) |
| 22:57.29 | PaulFert` | HAHA bricode made a patch that finally makes RNDIS with windows work |
| 22:58.28 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, looks like this isn't working -.- |
| 22:58.52 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: it should. Try with -d |
| 22:59.43 | PaulFert` | I wonder what SDG Systems are after. I remember them because they made a bootloader for hx4700. Now they help android guys to fix windows networking on freerunner. What's going on? |
| 22:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: actually it failed on my device as well. Let me reboot the ugly b.... |
| 23:00.12 | Quinn_Storm | http://pastebin.ca/1362756 |
| 23:00.36 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: perfectly correct output |
| 23:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol, gsm0710muxd already started. Doesn't like to get started twice |
| 23:01.09 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: with -v (not -d, sorry) you'll see more. |
| 23:01.30 | Quinn_Storm | ok awesome |
| 23:01.32 | Quinn_Storm | it is working fime |
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| 23:01.33 | Quinn_Storm | fine^ |
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| 23:01.57 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i told ya |
| 23:02.35 | Quinn_Storm | now to grab dfu-util and the latest shr for it |
| 23:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: kill gsm0710muxd; gsm0710muxd -v|less |
| 23:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd[13506]: gsm0710muxd.c:1269:chat(): Read 31 bytes from serial device |
| 23:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd[13506]: gsm0710muxd.c:384:syslogdump(): <s 00000000: 00 41 54 2d 43 6f 6d 6d-61 6e 64 20 49 6e 74 65 .AT-Command Inte |
| 23:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd[13506]: gsm0710muxd.c:384:syslogdump(): <s 00000010: 72 70 72 65 74 65 72 20-72 65 61 64 79 0d 0a . rpreter ready.. |
| 23:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | gsm0710muxd[13506]: gsm0710muxd.c:1263:chat(): Selected 0 |
| 23:04.36 | Quinn_Storm | yep, I can see that |
| 23:04.41 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: your instructions on wiki are good. I think they can be transefered to the Troubleshooting section as is. |
| 23:05.01 | Quinn_Storm | ok, feel free, or I will after installing SHR on here |
| 23:05.24 | PaulFert` | I'm not sure stty is needed though... |
| 23:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | anything on ML worth checking? |
| 23:06.02 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: not that i know of |
| 23:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | ->TV then |
| 23:06.21 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: or you can read the bashing of Lorn Potter |
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| 23:06.30 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: very tough. |
| 23:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | lol, got a BOF |
| 23:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | kicking ass of qtopia another time ;-) |
| 23:08.17 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/38681 |
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| 23:08.38 | PaulFert` | Though in my opinion Dale is unnecessarily offensive. |
| 23:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | eww how unfair, qte already dead since been shot by some nasty girl yesterday |
| 23:10.33 | Quinn_Storm | speaking of shr -- does anyone know if its possible to get shr-full on an sd for a gta01? I know it won't fit in nand |
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| 23:11.18 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i think you can get a copy of a gta02 shr-full and just use proper gta01 frameworkd.conf. |
| 23:11.29 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: and kernel |
| 23:11.39 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: and modules of course. |
| 23:11.57 | Quinn_Storm | ok, let me get this gta01 build on here for now and I'll look at that |
| 23:12.08 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: you can flash your kernel to nand and tweak u-boot params to use SDHC uSD as rootfs. |
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| 23:12.51 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, my u-boot even has a 'boot from sd' option |
| 23:13.37 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: it will try to load kernel from sd and that is not possible to do with SDHC without updating u-boot to an unofficial experimental version. |
| 23:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | so use a non HD sd |
| 23:14.40 | Quinn_Storm | ah |
| 23:14.41 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: 2Gb is _so_ small :) |
| 23:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | yup, nasty |
| 23:14.56 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I have a 2G micro-sd card |
| 23:14.59 | Quinn_Storm | that should be plenty |
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| 23:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | who shot bamby, who shot bamby... err qtopia |
| 23:18.35 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin? |
| 23:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | yup :-D |
| 23:19.07 | PaulFert` | Nasty girl :) |
| 23:19.51 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: i'd take the word bricked in your description in quotes, because it's not actually bricked. |
| 23:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | though prolly nobody of those kids around here does know "great rock'n'roll swindle" anymore |
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| 23:20.14 | Quinn_Storm | PaulFert`: I agree |
| 23:20.37 | mmontour | isn't a kid and actually has that in his iTunes library |
| 23:20.51 | SeligArkin | pewpewpew its dead |
| 23:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAHHHH, by ALL MEANS avoid the word "bricked" |
| 23:22.23 | DocScrutinizer | is upset, mumbling "ingi, ingi" |
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| 23:22.43 | PaulFert` | For me one video of sex pistols (where they played in some small club being drunk and everybody through cabbage leafs and tomatoes and stuff and everything was just fucked up) was enough :) |
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| 23:24.37 | Fougner | :D |
| 23:24.38 | PaulFert` | Hm, judging by my grammar and spelling it's time to sleep :) |
| 23:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 23:25.04 | Quinn_Storm | ok, removing the word bricked from the talk page |
| 23:25.10 | Quinn_Storm | err...need one more edit |
| 23:25.38 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 23:25.38 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 23:25.40 | Fougner | PEW PEW PEW!!!! |
| 23:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: anoying tricky you have to hit "save" twice |
| 23:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | remembering Quinn_Storm just registered for wiki |
| 23:28.43 | PaulFert` | I once came into the lab with my groupmates and threw my jacket to some dirty corner to avoid going to a cloakroom. All our "punks" were amused and said "i'm not _that_ punk". |
| 23:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | second generation punks == sissis |
| 23:31.07 | PaulFert` | True. I don't like the real punks for their ideology and the modern punks for the lack of it. |
| 23:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | though there's still hope for some of the third generation 15y old ones |
| 23:35.48 | PaulFert` | I think Dale Maggee is a punk |
| 23:36.12 | shellevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:43.18 | mwester-laptop | is a curmudgeon, and doesn't like any punks. He likes the way Clint Eastwood said that word in the Dirty Harry movies... |
| 23:44.22 | mwester-laptop | "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?" |
| 23:45.01 | mwester-laptop | goes off to being cumedgeon-ly. |
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| 23:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: "make my day!" |
