IRC log for #openmoko on 20090315

`00:00.48`	`rhkfin`	`In a way it's cool that it's all open and adjustable but.. I don't want to know all this :) (But will still have a look at it :)`
`00:00.56`	`DocScrutinizer`	`though there is a naming inconsistency :-/`
`00:01.07`	`SeligArkin`	`:D`
`00:01.36`	`SeligArkin`	`thinks she found the wm setup she wants`
`00:03.14`	`rhkfin`	`Hmm.. I didn't do anything and now I hear the headphone.. hmph..`
`00:03.40`	`DocScrutinizer`	`rhkfin: seems "Bypass playback volume" is correct.`
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`00:04.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`rhkfin: I swapped lines when looking at the lower three mixers, so I thought it's "sidetone". :-/ Bypass is the right one`
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`00:05.31`	`rhkfin`	`yep:)`
`00:05.51`	`SeligArkin`	`whoopsie`
`00:05.59`	`SeligArkin`	`I crasheded it. >.>;`
`00:06.25`	`SeligArkin`	`thank god for ssh`
`00:07.00`	`SeligArkin`	`yep`
`00:07.04`	`SeligArkin`	`I broke e17`
`00:07.11`	`SeligArkin`	`removes the settings dir and re-loads it`
`00:07.33`	`SeligArkin`	`needs to get a nice background to put on here`
`00:10.07`	`SeligArkin`	`hmm if I am booted from mmc, how can I access the flash?`
`00:10.19`	`SeligArkin`	`need to see what it uses for something`
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`00:10.52`	`rhkfin`	`I think you can, can't remember how to mount it..`
`00:10.53`	`mmontour`	`The NAND rootfs partition is /dev/mtdblock6`
`00:10.59`	`rhkfin`	`right :)`
`00:11.10`	`rhkfin`	`installs debian..`
`00:11.19`	`mmontour`	`"mount -t jffs2 ..."`
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`00:11.22`	`SeligArkin`	`O-o`
`00:11.25`	`SeligArkin`	`thats not good`
`00:11.31`	`SeligArkin`	`mount: can't allocate memory`
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`00:13.56`	`SeligArkin`	`makes some swap`
`00:15.15`	`d-b`	`SeligArkin: out of memory ?`
`00:15.25`	`SeligArkin`	`mount apparently is`
`00:15.34`	`d-b`	`really...`
`00:15.38`	`SeligArkin`	`yep`
`00:15.49`	`SeligArkin`	`there is probably alot of junk lingering in memory though`
`00:16.11`	`d-b`	`i thought linux was pretty good at cleaning it up ...`
`00:16.35`	`SeligArkin`	`when I mess with stuff like I have bin,I can make even the best programs leak. :P`
`00:17.22`	`SeligArkin`	`grah`
`00:17.32`	`SeligArkin`	`I really need to get it setup so I can use sshfs again`
`00:21.02`	`Dave`	`:D`
`00:21.05`	`Dave`	`mkswap`
`00:21.07`	`Dave`	`knky`
`00:21.24`	`Dave`	`selig, yeah, you may at least take advantage of the sweet vga display ;p`
`00:21.32`	`Dave`	`that's about the best selling point, if you can call it one :p`
`00:25.53`	`rhkfin`	`SeligArkin: you mount the FR fs on your desktop or vice versa?`
`00:26.24`	`SeligArkin`	`fr on the desktop`
`00:26.35`	`SeligArkin`	`makes it easyer to look around and see how stuff works`
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`00:27.20`	`rhkfin`	`right`
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`00:27.57`	`SeligArkin`	`The buzz doesn't appear unless we are silent, but I think I am going to have my uncle do the fix for me anyway, just to have it done with`
`00:28.45`	`rhkfin`	`Depends on the GPS power, I've been told`
`00:29.05`	`SeligArkin`	`it seems to be affected by wifi`
`00:29.15`	`SeligArkin`	`so it probably doesn't help that I am sshed in using wifi`
`00:30.41`	`mwester`	`the buzz, like all RFI, is deterministic -- but the factors that go into its appearance/disappearance are so numerous and difficult to characterize that it might as well be random. So you need the fix, even if you've never actually experienced the problem -- because tomorrow morning the t-mobile technician might make an adjustment somewhere, and the buzz will show up...`
`00:31.34`	`SeligArkin`	`heh`
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`00:37.48`	`slaxxin`	`gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14)`
`00:37.58`	`slaxxin`	`can shr do that:`
`00:37.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`Or you might move 10cm to the left :)`
`00:41.06`	`Dave`	`Hmm`
`00:41.51`	`SeligArkin`	`stares at illume`
`00:42.01`	`SeligArkin`	`why aren't you showing the desktop?`
`00:42.52`	`SeligArkin`	`and...`
`00:43.08`	`SeligArkin`	`there goes ssh`
`00:43.17`	`SeligArkin`	`i suspect the phone disabled the wifi to save power`
`00:43.36`	`SeligArkin`	`and I can't get to the terminal to run my script to re-enable it...`
`00:43.45`	`SeligArkin`	`smacks the phone with a wet tuna`
`00:44.02`	`henk`	`SeligArkin: having fun :)`
`00:44.03`	`mwester`	`was the tuna at least scaled and cleaned?`
`00:46.15`	`Dave`	`hahah`
`00:46.18`	`Dave`	`I was just thinking...`
`00:46.27`	`Dave`	`Perhaps I should show selig my mokos later, whatdo you think, mwester? :P`
`00:46.31`	`vininim`	`any success with emdebian?`
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`00:47.13`	`slaxxin`	`not all of em`
`00:48.07`	`Dave`	`not the melted and exploded ones? :P`
`00:48.08`	`mwester`	`especially the ones he fried`
`00:48.29`	`mwester`	`Dave has "troubles" with electronic equipment, it seems.`
`00:48.46`	`Dave`	`hey!`
`00:49.56`	`Dave`	`:P`
`00:49.57`	`SeligArkin`	`hmm`
`00:50.07`	`SeligArkin`	`I like illume, but its not customizable enough...`
`00:50.19`	`Dave`	`are you kidding?`
`00:50.29`	`SeligArkin`	`well I am having trouble messing with it`
`00:50.35`	`Dave`	`oh`
`00:50.45`	`SeligArkin`	`I loaded a run dialog, but how the frak do I make it appear? :P`
`00:50.55`	`SeligArkin`	`it is not showing icons on the "desktop"`
`00:51.02`	`SeligArkin`	`so I can't launch anything...`
`00:51.37`	`Dave`	`oh that...`
`00:52.22`	`Dave`	`is it stilll doing that?`
`00:53.30`	`Dave`	`hehe it's funny, in a perverse way...`
`00:53.37`	`Dave`	`Tasn is like one of the luckiest moko users`
`00:53.44`	`Dave`	`and selig is one of the unluckiest :\`
`00:54.15`	`SeligArkin`	`I think I am going to switch it back to fbpanel+ matchbox`
`00:54.25`	`SeligArkin`	`I just need to get a way to switch windows in it`
`00:55.31`	`Dave`	`aw`
`00:55.36`	`Dave`	`it works well`
`00:55.39`	`Dave`	`when it works... -_-`
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`01:01.32`	`SeligArkin`	`hmmm`
`01:03.11`	`rhkfin`	`Hey can anyone confirm here that the bigC buzzfix fixes the buzz? http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/buzzfix.jpg The instructions link to http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_nois`
`01:03.14`	`rhkfin`	`e/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf`
`01:03.35`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`01:03.45`	`rhkfin`	`Dave: you've done it?`
`01:05.11`	`mwester`	`no no no - watch that Joerg character - he's got some very strange ideas when it comes to hardware. :P`
`01:05.24`	`rhkfin`	`:)`
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`01:06.04`	`rhkfin`	`Is this the current 'top idea' to fix the buzz?`
`01:06.09`	`mwester`	`DocScrutinizer: Ping!!!!`
`01:06.21`	`mwester`	`It's the _ONLY_ way to fix it in the field.`
`01:06.26`	`rhkfin`	`right :)`
`01:07.38`	`Dave`	`I've watched many do it here`
`01:07.43`	`rhkfin`	`And there's not much you can break (other than hotwire the tiny microphone resistor connectors.. ?)`
`01:07.55`	`mwester`	According to PaulFert`, in Russia, you can find people at street corners who can do the SMD soldering to make the fix, but here in Chicago we only find places that throw away phones and try to sell you new ones, not repair them.
`01:08.12`	`mwester`	So I've not tried it -- but PaulFert` has, and reports that it works.
`01:08.14`	`mwester`	`So have others.`
`01:08.37`	`rhkfin`	`right.. Well I live only some hundred of Km's from Russia, but I think the guy sitting right next to me at work will be able to do it..`
`01:09.04`	`mwester`	`I suspect there is much you can break, just get me with a 700 degree soldering iron tip near a delicate instrument, and I'm likely to "do a Dave" on my phone.`
`01:09.20`	`KenYoung`	`Will Openmoko ever manufacture some Freerunners which have all the various hardware fixes done at the factory?`
`01:09.20`	`rhkfin`	`HAHAH!!! :)`
`01:09.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: important note`
`01:09.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: that's 700F`
`01:09.39`	`rhkfin`	`KenYoung: hi there!`
`01:09.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: not 700C`
`01:09.47`	`KenYoung`	`rhkfin, Hi!`
`01:09.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`KenYoung: That's crazy talk, that is.`
`01:09.52`	`mwester`	`SpeedEvil: ;-) You haven't seen MY soldering iron!`
`01:10.01`	`mwester`	`But seriously, yes, 700F.`
`01:10.10`	`rhkfin`	`The bigger & cheaper it's, the better it's .)`
`01:10.17`	`mwester`	`Because here in America, we stick with silly units of measure, in order to make the unions happy.`
`01:10.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`Mmm. Onions.`
`01:10.44`	`rhkfin`	`mwester: make who happy..?`
`01:10.47`	`mwester`	`(Canada already proved that you can switch to metric without ruining your economy, or confusing all the "elderly"`
`01:10.49`	`mwester`	`)`
`01:10.56`	`Dave`	`Ken!`
`01:11.03`	`KenYoung`	`Hi Dave!`
`01:11.07`	`Dave`	`:)`
`01:11.19`	`madwoota`	`not like you could ruin the US economy any further atm :P`
`01:11.23`	`rhkfin`	`hey, we've changed the money here! And yes, old people still think in the old currency from 7 years ago or so..`
`01:11.28`	`rhkfin`	`madwoota: :)`
`01:12.04`	`mwester`	`rhkfin: One of the arguments against adopting metric in the US was that it would make it easier to import parts from the rest of the world, which would injure the american worker. That argument proved to be utter baloney, but it was one of the reasons cited back when the US was considering the switch.`
`01:12.37`	`KenYoung`	`If the US didn't go metric in the days before cheap posket calculators, it will never do it now.`
`01:12.53`	`KenYoung`	`(pocket, I mean)`
`01:13.04`	`mwester`	`That's pretty much right.`
`01:13.17`	`mwester`	`I think the opportunity was missed, and it's unfortunate.`
`01:13.25`	`mwester`	`Ah, well.`
`01:13.30`	`rhkfin`	`mwester: hmm.. in a way it makes sense..`
`01:13.43`	`SpeedEvil`	`Is china metric?`
`01:13.52`	`madwoota`	`i've grown up in a country thats had metric my entire life, but some things still make more sense in imperial measurements :P`
`01:14.00`	`rhkfin`	`madwoota: tell me!`
`01:14.03`	`mwester`	`good question. I thought all of asia was metric`
`01:14.40`	`madwoota`	`mostly: babies :)`
`01:15.06`	`mwester`	`Well, every time I get too frustrated when trying to sort how many cups are in a gallon, I just consider that we're not the worse off... that title goes to the poor folks who have to switch sides of the road.`
`01:15.09`	`mwester`	`:P`
`01:15.30`	`slaxxin`	`fractions that dont devide by ten make u think a lot harder`
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`01:16.29`	`rhkfin`	`slaxxin: indeed.. Must be a pain to try to make the conversion from [a length unit] to [another length unit].. Or from inches to gallons :`
`01:16.48`	`mwester`	`Yes, inches to gallons, that's a tough one. :D`
`01:16.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`gallons are especially annoying`
`01:17.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`having different variants worldwide`
`01:17.35`	`KenYoung`	`miles per gallon is a unit of inverse area...`
`01:17.43`	`Dave`	`:o`
`01:18.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`KenYoung: that makes so much sense`
`01:18.05`	`mwester`	`So anyway, back to the original topic -- what is the correct temp. for a soldering iron tip with this funky pb-free solder?`
`01:18.14`	`mwester`	`and where does one find pb-free solder?`
`01:18.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`KenYoung: the area of a rod of fuel the vehicle would consume`
`01:18.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: ebay`
`01:18.27`	`mwester`	`ebay.`
`01:18.30`	`rhkfin`	`Are the weight units in kg in the states?`
`01:18.33`	`Dave`	`rods? vehicles? ebay?`
`01:18.33`	`KenYoung`	`SpeedEvil, My car gets 1.1 cm^{-2} !`
`01:18.35`	`Dave`	`What!?`
`01:18.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: digikey.com mouser.com ...`
`01:18.36`	`rhkfin`	`"On April 15, 1999 Korean Air cargo flight 6316 from Shanghai to Seoul was lost due to the crew confusing tower instructions (in metres) and altimeter readings (in feet). Three crew and five people on the ground were killed. Thirty seven were injured.[5][6]" - wikipedia..`
`01:18.52`	`mwester`	`$0.99 for the solder, $15.00 for shipping!`
`01:18.54`	`KenYoung`	`rhkfin, pounds.`
`01:19.03`	`Dave`	`haha`
`01:19.05`	`Dave`	`nic`
`01:19.15`	`rhkfin`	`IN the states it's 'miles/gallon', here it's 'liters/100km'`
`01:19.21`	`Dave`	`weird`
`01:19.35`	`Dave`	`DYNES`
`01:21.50`	`KenYoung`	`rhkfin, liters/km would be nicer, because that's just mm**2.`
`01:24.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`mwester: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kester-Lead-Free-Solder-.062dia--24-0768-7607_W0QQitemZ190271147999QQcmdZViewItem`
`01:26.01`	`rhkfin`	`mwester: I really hope you don't use it all for the buzz fix :)`
`01:26.54`	`mwester`	`I'm very likely to.`
`01:27.00`	`mwester`	`This could be very, very bad.`
`01:28.57`	`Dave`	`freerunners/furlong`
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`01:30.28`	`rhkfin`	`sees the morning newspaper delivered.. I guess it's time to go to sleep..`
`01:31.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`A fun question that most get wrong. If you convert all of the energy in a NiMH AA cell (2.5Watt-hours) into height by lifting the cell to an equivalent potential energy, how high will it go?`
`01:32.04`	`mwester`	`23 ft, 2 1/4 inches.`
`01:32.05`	`Dave`	`ding ding ding`
`01:32.09`	`mwester`	`(just guessing)`
`01:32.26`	`Dave`	`to the moon, alice!`
`01:32.33`	`mwester`	`The answer, of course, depends on what's tied to the cell.`
`01:32.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`About 30Km.`
`01:33.44`	`KenYoung`	`SpeedEvil, What batter technology will go the highest?`
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`01:33.56`	`KenYoung`	`ooops "battery technology"`
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`01:38.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`various lithium primary chemistries will get about 500Wh/Kg`
`01:38.47`	`SpeedEvil`	`or about 5 times that`
`01:39.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`first obtain a space elevator cable...`
`01:42.36`	`Dave`	`hmm`
`01:43.06`	`mwester`	`sighs... digikey's min quantity would require me to have 10 phones to fix. They think I'm Dave.`
`01:43.35`	`Dave`	`Haha`
`01:44.04`	`mwester`	`At $4.30 each.`
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`01:44.15`	`mwester`	`For a teeny tiny little itsy bitsy capacitor.`
`01:44.44`	`mwester`	`But it gets much cheaper if I buy 2,000 at a time, apparently.`
`01:44.55`	`Dave`	`of course`
`01:44.57`	`KenYoung`	`When OM ships the gta03, they should just toss some loose surface mount caps and a loop of solder into the box before sending it out.`
`01:45.05`	`Dave`	`:)`
`01:45.11`	`Dave`	`yeah we already talked about the spare parts issue`
`01:45.34`	`mwester`	`At the very least, they need a DocScrutinizer with parts in the US.`
`01:45.54`	`Dave`	`yep`
`01:46.08`	`Dave`	`abstains from being nominated`
`01:46.34`	`mwester`	`Dave, I bet YOU have access to little caps like that.`
`01:46.45`	`Dave`	`hides`
`01:46.47`	`rhkfin`	`KenYoung: heh :)`
`01:49.21`	`mwester`	`Mouser will set qty 1 --- pricey.`
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`01:51.08`	`mwester`	`Good grief! Look at the tolerances for some of these caps! "-20% to +80%" !!`
`01:51.09`	`simond`	`I'm running debian on the freerunner -- anyone know how I might get sound going out through the earpiece rather than the speakers?`
`01:51.43`	`simond`	`going around in circles at the moment trying to make sense of all the alsa utilities`
`01:52.23`	`Dave`	`mwester, I actually I do have access to a wealth of I2C parts`
`01:52.28`	`Dave`	`and all kinds of goodies`
`01:52.54`	`mwester`	`then why not mod a few fr's for yourself at least?!`
`01:53.02`	`rhkfin`	`is finally running debian on decent-sized µSD.. nice!`
`01:53.05`	`Dave`	`I already modified two`
`01:53.17`	`SeligArkin`	`strange`
`01:54.13`	`SeligArkin`	`I tried changing something in illume to make the icons appear... and it is taking up alot of cpu npow`
`01:54.16`	`SeligArkin`	`kills it`
`01:54.45`	`SeligArkin`	`reboots the phone`
`01:55.30`	`mwester`	`What is the physical size of the cap in mm (to fit in the case)?`
`01:55.35`	`SeligArkin`	`dknsakdjfndsaf I am going to kill someone soon.>:(`
`01:56.10`	`SeligArkin`	`my laptop keeps changing the hostname to localhost.localdomain on me`
`01:56.15`	`SeligArkin`	`fraking up a few things`
`01:56.50`	`SeligArkin`	`I need to look into making the debian kernel on the phone boot faster, or show some indication it is actualy doing something`
`01:58.32`	`mmontour`	`If you're booting from Qi, hold down the power button and it will turn on debug messages from the kernel`
`02:05.10`	`Dave`	`moos`
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`02:07.23`	`rhkfin`	`rsyncs`
`02:09.15`	`SeligArkin`	`mmontour: any way to make that the default?`
`02:09.25`	`SeligArkin`	`likes watchingh text zoom by on boot`
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`02:11.07`	`mmontour`	`put "loglevel=8" in /boot/append-GTA02`
`02:12.25`	`Dave`	`:P`
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`02:28.40`	`Dave`	`watches selig's freerunner`
`02:29.30`	`tomboy64`	`i'm looking for a command mkimage`
`02:29.35`	`tomboy64`	`any idea where to get it?`
`02:30.36`	`tomboy64`	`it's supposed to be part of the eldk`
`02:30.49`	`tomboy64`	`= found it ;)`
`02:32.44`	`SeligArkin`	`is taking a break from the phone`
`02:32.52`	`Dave`	`Good idea :)`
`02:33.02`	`Dave`	`Selig, remind me to show you pictures of my army sometime :)`
`02:33.09`	`SeligArkin`	`play some game, come back to it later`
`02:33.39`	`rhkfin`	`johnsu01: gotta love your debian page!!`
`02:34.47`	`Dave`	`Yay!`
`02:35.14`	`Dave`	`offers Seligarkin some cookies`
`02:35.58`	`SeligArkin`	`giggles`
`02:36.57`	`Dave`	`:)`
`02:41.01`	`johnsu01`	`rhkfin: user page on the wiki you mean?`
`02:43.11`	`rhkfin`	`johnsu01: yep. <3`
`02:43.50`	`johnsu01`	`rhkfin: glad it's helpful, I need to freshen it up a bit, been moving this week and haven't updated it`
`02:44.14`	`rhkfin`	`ok`
`02:46.08`	`Dave`	`yeah you do :)`
`02:47.16`	`SeligArkin`	`yeah, we can smell it a mile away!`
`02:48.12`	`johnsu01`	`:)`
`02:48.32`	`SeligArkin`	`continues with her phone`
`02:48.42`	`johnsu01`	`it's also a problem that right now my server is boxed up, my laptop usb ports are not working properly, and charging via wall charger is very slow`
`02:48.58`	`Dave`	`aw`
`02:49.08`	`Dave`	`we're sorry to hear, john`
`02:49.11`	`rhkfin`	`johnsu01: öh.. sound's like a pain..`
`02:50.34`	`SeligArkin`	`whaaa...`
`02:50.45`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`02:50.50`	`SeligArkin`	`I thought wall charger > computer charger`
`02:51.11`	`Dave`	`greater than, in terms of output Amps?`
`02:51.21`	`SeligArkin`	`asin charge speed`
`02:51.28`	`Dave`	`well, yes`
`02:51.45`	`Dave`	`1A vs 500mA (typically)`
`02:51.50`	`Dave`	`what's the problem?`
`02:51.56`	`Dave`	`though you can charge at 1A via usb too`
`02:52.04`	`johnsu01`	`mine is not charging at that rate`
`02:52.05`	`SeligArkin`	`22:48:41 < johnsu01> it's also a problem that right now my server is boxed up, my laptop usb ports are not working properly, and charging via wall charger is very slow`
`02:52.14`	`SeligArkin`	`22:48:41 < johnsu01> it's also a problem that right now my server is boxed up, my laptop usb ports are not working properly, and charging via wall charger is very slow`
`02:52.31`	`Dave`	`use one of the batt monitoring apps and change the charge rate!`
`02:52.38`	`Dave`	`but it should auto-negotiate properly`
`02:55.28`	`mmontour`	`Some versions of u-boot were buggy with the wall charger, but this wouldn't affect you if you were charging while booted into Linux`
`02:55.51`	`johnsu01`	`it's not happening automatically for me, I'll look in more detail in a minute but it's definitely charging slow`
`02:57.48`	`Dave`	`Yeah`
`02:57.56`	`SeligArkin`	`ponders`
`02:57.59`	`Dave`	`probably 100mA`
`02:58.06`	`Dave`	`check the current charge setting`
`02:58.16`	`Dave`	`you can manually switch it to a higher rate if you wish`
`03:00.13`	`SeligArkin`	`holds her head`
`03:01.16`	`Dave`	`passes selig a pillow`
`03:02.24`	`SeligArkin`	`where does X send it's logs to`
`03:02.34`	`Dave`	`store them, you mean?`
`03:03.00`	`SeligArkin`	`yeah, I need to see what enlightenment is saying when it trys to load the icons`
`03:03.32`	`SeligArkin`	`cause its quite useless without them`
`03:03.43`	`Dave`	`oh`
`03:03.49`	`Dave`	`this is a known problem`
`03:04.05`	`Dave`	`it started rather recently, in a recent upgrade I believe`
`03:04.09`	`SeligArkin`	`I found this in my googling http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1682681`
`03:04.20`	`SeligArkin`	`but making the .menu file didn't fix it forme`
`03:05.09`	`raster`	`it depends what rev was upgraded to`
`03:05.11`	`raster`	`but it works`
`03:05.15`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:05.16`	`raster`	`there was a short time it was broken`
`03:05.28`	`SeligArkin`	`still broken in the debian package`
`03:05.30`	`raster`	`like 1 day`
`03:05.41`	`Dave`	`raster!`
`03:06.05`	`SeligArkin`	`strange`
`03:06.07`	`raster`	`doov!`
`03:06.28`	`SeligArkin`	`removing /etc/xdg/menus/enlightenment-applications.menu fixed it`
`03:07.15`	`SeligArkin`	`brb`
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`03:07.26`	`Dave`	`slick`
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`03:11.50`	`SeligArkin`	`hmm`
`03:11.59`	`SeligArkin`	`I can't resolve addresses any more`
`03:12.55`	`SeligArkin`	`slaps dns to work`
`03:13.08`	`Dave`	`:(`
`03:13.19`	`Dave`	`resolv.conf? arp arp arp`
`03:13.40`	`SeligArkin`	`ahha`
`03:13.48`	`SeligArkin`	`wrong route`
`03:14.09`	`Dave`	`:D`
`03:14.21`	`Dave`	`surprise!`
`03:14.32`	`Dave`	`isn't network troubleshooting fun? ;)`
`03:14.58`	`SeligArkin`	`:P`
`03:15.22`	`SeligArkin`	`I need to add to the ifupdown to remove the usb route when the wifi route comes up`
`03:15.26`	`Dave`	`whee`
`03:15.32`	`Dave`	`yep!`
`03:15.35`	`Dave`	`gotta remember that`
`03:15.39`	`Dave`	`or else it's all screwy :p`
`03:15.45`	`Dave`	`openmoko 101`
`03:17.01`	`SeligArkin`	`ohai`
`03:17.25`	`SeligArkin`	`i iz in ur irc, testin mi mokoz`
`03:17.33`	`Dave`	`hoenoez!`
`03:17.49`	`Dave`	`IM IN UR FREERUNNER, RESOLVIN UR HOSTNAMEZ`
`03:18.08`	`Dave`	`:P`
`03:18.22`	`SeligArkin`	`:P`
`03:24.02`	`billk`	`SeligArkin: what irc client on the moko?`
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`03:24.45`	`Dave`	`pidgin, irssi, etc`
`03:25.06`	`SeligArkin`	`billk: sshed to a remote server running irssi in screen`
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`03:25.14`	`Dave`	`high-fives selig`
`03:25.23`	`billk`	`SeligArkin: cheatin :)`
`03:25.56`	`SeligArkin`	`i love my remote irssi`
`03:26.10`	`Dave`	`<3`
`03:26.16`	`SeligArkin`	`i can read back after conecting`
`03:26.22`	`Dave`	`of course :D`
`03:26.30`	`Dave`	`how could you live without it ;)`
`03:26.38`	`billk`	`tried irsii on 2008.x but its not the shr archives - didnt realise pidgin could do it - will try.`
`03:26.40`	`Dave`	`pets his remote irssi session`
`03:26.40`	`SeligArkin`	`cant do that with a bnc`
`03:27.02`	`Dave`	`billk, haha yeah`
`03:27.10`	`Dave`	`pidgin has a billion plugins`
`03:27.27`	`SeligArkin`	`ok my wrist huts from the touch screen`
`03:27.31`	`billk`	`I uninstalled it as fluff - will have to put it back and check it out :)`
`03:27.41`	`Dave`	`hahhaha`
`03:27.47`	`SeligArkin`	`goes back to laptop`
`03:27.55`	`Dave`	`Selig, I used to IM and IRC from a freerunner back when I first got it working...`
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`03:28.15`	`Dave`	`after about two hours my wrists/hands were dying and I decided "okay, I had my fun, now fuck this" :P`
`03:28.23`	`SeligArkin`	`lol`
`03:28.27`	`Dave`	`especilly when I was doing it no more than 10 feet from my laptop :P`
`03:28.48`	`Dave`	`hey, sure, the novelty is great, and hooray you're celebrating a small personal victory... but still yeah :P`
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`03:29.14`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: I have IRCed from the shower.`
`03:29.27`	`SeligArkin`	`thats kinda how my old phone ended up bricked, the baggie leaked. >.>`
`03:29.57`	`SeligArkin`	`it had a full hw keyboard though, so that was alot less painful`
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`03:31.24`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`03:31.27`	`Dave`	`aww`
`03:31.32`	`Dave`	`Yeah I think it's horrible`
`03:31.47`	`SeligArkin`	`I mostly did it for shits and giggles. :P`
`03:31.56`	`SeligArkin`	`I didn'tactualy think it was a smart idea`
`03:31.59`	`Dave`	`one of my friends has a 'tough' phone and it's water-resistant, so she always sends me text messages from the shower`
`03:32.04`	`Dave`	`and it always irks me... or weirds me out`
`03:32.10`	`SeligArkin`	`heh`
`03:32.11`	`Dave`	`hahaha, don't we all :P`
`03:32.19`	`Dave`	`to freak people out and enjoy the fun`
`03:32.24`	`Dave`	`hey`
`03:32.33`	`Dave`	`I've taken a freerunner to the bottom of a twelve foot pool!`
`03:32.43`	`Dave`	`am I fucking crazy? or fantastically amazing?`
`03:33.09`	`Dave`	`(I wanted to check the altimeter... among other things :P)`
`03:33.33`	`SeligArkin`	`it ended up coming upbecause I said "Damn #xkcd, distracting me from my shower", someone thought I was ircin in the shower I was like "Yeah i put my phone in a baggie" then the idea stuck in m head... so I did it`
`03:33.45`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: and you water-proofed it...how?`
`03:33.50`	`Dave`	`Guess :D`
`03:33.55`	`SeligArkin`	`I hope you did better than sandwitch bags. :P`
`03:34.00`	`Dave`	`hahahaha yeah :p`
`03:34.02`	`johnsu01`	`hm, where does the wall charger live?`
`03:34.10`	`Dave`	`But I've used ziplocks for cellphones in the shower :P`
`03:34.13`	`Dave`	`worked great`
`03:34.19`	`SeligArkin`	`johnsu01: in a remote corrner of the world`
`03:34.41`	`Dave`	`johnsu, REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION`
`03:35.03`	`mmontour`	`at the back of a drawer, in a tangle with 8 or so other chargers with different voltages and/or connectors`
`03:35.14`	`Dave`	`hey, stay out of my desk, mmontour!`
`03:35.14`	`johnsu01`	`Dave: like, the equivalent of usb_curlim`
`03:35.22`	`Dave`	`Ah!`
`03:35.48`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: I would try it again... but I don't have the money to replace the phone if the baggie leaks.:P`
`03:35.50`	`mwester`	`well, why didn't you say so?!! We know where the virtual charger lives -- it's the real one that we lose all the time.`
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`03:36.33`	`Dave`	`Don't worry, I can make better suggestions :)`
`03:36.46`	`Dave`	`mwester, in your house -- check the fridge ;)`
`03:36.46`	`mwester`	`look first in /sys/class -- you'll see the dirs for the bat; it might be around there (depends on your OS version)`
`03:37.04`	`johnsu01`	`digs`
`03:37.10`	`mwester`	`no mokos in the fridge, just batteries.`
`03:37.11`	`SeligArkin`	`snickers`
`03:37.13`	`johnsu01`	`today I have had to dig for both the physical charger and the virtual charger`
`03:37.24`	`Dave`	`Selig, vacuum-sealing storage bags ftw!`
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`03:37.38`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: haha`
`03:37.39`	`mwester`	`has one of those machines.`
`03:37.39`	`Dave`	`mwester, I have one in the fridge and one under a heat lamp :)`
`03:37.44`	`Dave`	`high-fives mwester`
`03:37.46`	`SeligArkin`	`don't have one of those, sadly`
`03:37.51`	`johnsu01`	`I was moving today, and so I put the wall charger in with the case of beer because I knew I wouldn't lose it then`
`03:37.55`	`Dave`	`Selig, no fuss, no mess, no voided warranty!`
`03:38.01`	`Dave`	`:)`
`03:38.02`	`SeligArkin`	`haha`
`03:38.03`	`mwester`	`johnsu01: good thinking!`
`03:38.07`	`johnsu01`	`only then someone moved it :(`
`03:38.20`	`SeligArkin`	`SOMEONE STOLE MAH BEER`
`03:38.21`	`Dave`	`John, the developers try to make your life hard :)`
`03:38.25`	`Dave`	`Muwahahahah`
`03:38.32`	`Dave`	`Selig, sorry, I was makin room for mah mokoz!`
`03:38.34`	`johnsu01`	`fortunately there was still beer there to placate me`
`03:38.45`	`Dave`	`sends Johnsu01 SIGBEER`
`03:39.00`	`johnsu01`	`tangogps on the freerunner got me to the truck rental place, too`
`03:39.13`	`Dave`	`haha, I was about to say...`
`03:39.25`	`Dave`	`TangoGPS got me to Taiwan... to return this freakin thing...`
`03:39.26`	`Dave`	`heehee`
`03:39.43`	`johnsu01`	`we all know the battery didn't last that long :)`
`03:39.52`	`Dave`	`I think someone scaped a map pic of that actually, it was like turn left at africa and drive 21000mi`
`03:39.57`	`Dave`	`john, haha true`
`03:40.45`	`SeligArkin`	`nbot weven with mintyboost + 24 pack of batterys? :P`
`03:41.05`	`Dave`	`Use my battery pack!`
`03:41.11`	`SeligArkin`	`thats something I want to try,, making one of them`
`03:41.32`	`Dave`	`I'm working on my SD adapter currently`
`03:41.45`	`Dave`	`since I'm done with usb wifi and usb camera`
`03:41.47`	`SeligArkin`	`I should be banned from a soldering iron`
`03:41.51`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`03:41.54`	`Dave`	`that's not all ;D`
`03:41.59`	`SeligArkin`	`oh?`
`03:42.01`	`Dave`	`giggles`
`03:42.23`	`SeligArkin`	`well I am banned from the woman's restroom...`
`03:42.47`	`Dave`	`Sounds like an entertaining backstory... though I fear you should save it for another time :P`
`03:43.08`	`SeligArkin`	`It's rather simple - I am biologicly male. :P`
`03:43.30`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`03:43.45`	`Dave`	`... hasn't stopped me before :P`
`03:43.51`	`SeligArkin`	`haha`
`03:44.02`	`Dave`	`Though, honestly, I don't know why you'd bother anyhow... the mens restroom is always much nicer...`
`03:44.03`	`SeligArkin`	`I actualy look gender-nutral enough to possibly get away with it...`
`03:44.13`	`Dave`	`and there's rarely a fucking line :P`
`03:44.24`	`Dave`	`selig, teehee`
`03:44.30`	`Dave`	`pretty sneaky!`
`03:44.41`	`SeligArkin`	`likes looking female`
`03:44.53`	`Dave`	`Hey, whatever you prefer baby ;)`
`03:44.57`	`SeligArkin`	`hehe`
`03:45.04`	`SeligArkin`	`blushes`
`03:45.15`	`Dave`	`smiles`
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`03:45.43`	`SeligArkin`	`I just realised something`
`03:46.02`	`SeligArkin`	`I took a picture of my face when I was in the shower... it went to the SD card I installed debian to`
`03:46.16`	`Dave`	`uh oh...`
`03:46.33`	`Dave`	`I am unsure as to whether that is for better or worse... :D`
`03:46.38`	`SeligArkin`	`hahaha`
`03:47.01`	`Dave`	`;)`
`03:47.31`	`johnsu01`	`so, it's plugged into the wall`
`03:47.35`	`johnsu01`	`but status says not charging`
`03:47.48`	`johnsu01`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:48.50`	`SeligArkin`	`johnsu01: strange`
`03:48.51`	`Dave`	`johnsu, can't be trusted!`
`03:48.55`	`johnsu01`	`I think it is only charging while idle, when I touch the screen to bring it back, the charging icon is there for a second but then disappears`
`03:48.56`	`SeligArkin`	`mine says that too`
`03:49.02`	`SeligArkin`	`so yeah,i thoink it is a lie`
`03:49.49`	`Dave`	`johnsu, as joerg taught me long ago, the only valid thing to check is the CC (coulomb counter), and that's only valid if you haven't swapped batteries since boot (which is normal)`
`03:50.02`	`mmontour`	`look in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/`
`03:50.42`	`mmontour`	`There's a "usb_curlim" and a "chg_curlim" there`
`03:51.19`	`mwester`	`johnsu01: the driver has been tweaked recently to change the way it handles "full"`
`03:51.35`	`Dave`	`interesting`
`03:51.42`	`mwester`	`johnsu01: in the past, it would switch to trickle charge; so you would continue to see "charging" for the status.`
`03:51.48`	`Dave`	`right`
`03:52.14`	`johnsu01`	`mmontour: ah, thanks`
`03:52.17`	`mwester`	`It was determined from the bat vendor that this might damage the bat, so now the charger stops charging when full, lets it run empty just a bit, then charges it again.`
`03:52.28`	`mwester`	`So you will now see it cycle when it is full.`
`03:52.30`	`johnsu01`	`chg_curlim is currently 97`
`03:52.35`	`mwester`	`(this is not uncommon for many devices)`
`03:52.36`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`03:52.57`	`mwester`	`chg_curlim == 97 ? Sounds like it does not recognize your charger`
`03:53.14`	`johnsu01`	`it's the one that came with the phone`
`03:53.35`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`03:53.45`	`Dave`	`you sure you didn't take that off my desk instead, johnsu? ;)`
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`03:54.33`	`mmontour`	`mwester: the charger hardware shuts off when the charge current falls below a threshold, and the hardware re-enables charging when the voltage falls low enough`
`03:54.53`	`Dave`	`SHOULD`
`03:55.10`	`Dave`	`~_~`
`03:55.11`	`apt`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`03:55.14`	`SeligArkin`	`MAKEME`
`03:55.20`	`Dave`	`apt: botsnack`
`03:55.20`	`apt`	`:), Dave`
`03:55.23`	`Dave`	`<3`
`03:55.33`	`mmontour`	`When I tested it, the battery would drain quite a bit before the charger turned back on`
`03:55.48`	`SeligArkin`	`I keep trying to go ~.~ but I end up disconnecting from my ssh session,lol`
`03:55.49`	`Dave`	`same here`
`03:55.50`	`SeligArkin`	`Fail. :/`
`03:55.52`	`mmontour`	`has graphs somewhere - I think I saw it get to about 80% capacity before it re-started`
`03:55.55`	`mwester`	`mmontour: interesting technique; one would think we could do better with the columb counter.`
`03:55.57`	`Dave`	`haahahh`
`03:56.00`	`Dave`	`oops? :P`
`03:56.07`	`SeligArkin`	`nods`
`03:56.08`	`Dave`	`makes funny faces at Selig`
`03:56.12`	`SeligArkin`	`~.~`
`03:56.16`	`Dave`	`mwester, agreed.`
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`03:56.50`	`mmontour`	`I think that the software does now give the charger a kick when it sees the CC capacity go down`
`03:57.06`	`mmontour`	`There's been a lot of work on that subsystem since I last looked at it closely`
`03:57.15`	`Dave`	`and when was that?`
`03:57.48`	`SeligArkin`	`wanders off`
`03:58.12`	`Dave`	`confiscates SeligArkin's sandwich bags`
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`03:59.03`	`SeligArkin`	`haha`
`03:59.30`	`SeligArkin`	`I ain't risking loosing this,I aint got the moneys to get a new. :P`
`03:59.44`	`Dave`	`don't we know it :P`
`04:01.17`	`johnsu01`	`so.. should I set chg_curlim to 500mA?`
`04:01.27`	`Dave`	`why not go to 1A?`
`04:01.34`	`johnsu01`	`baby steps`
`04:01.39`	`Dave`	`agreed :P`
`04:03.28`	`mmontour`	`Dave: it was around August/September 2008 when I was doing PMU stuff`
`04:03.59`	`Dave`	`yeah, I remember... I was there :)`
`04:04.09`	`Dave`	`I was just checking if we were thinking about the same time ;)`
`04:04.57`	`johnsu01`	`it didn't like 500mA but it took 500`
`04:05.09`	`Dave`	`:)`
`04:08.42`	`mmontour`	`Just checked my charger - it detected it properly and set usb_curlim to 1000, chg_curlim to 996`
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`04:10.52`	`johnsu01`	`hm`
`04:11.54`	`johnsu01`	`I set it to 996 then it dropped down to 992`
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`04:26.05`	`SeligArkin`	`I was going to make a shell script... now I forget what it was going to do...`
`04:26.10`	`SeligArkin`	`oh!`
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`04:28.21`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`04:28.27`	`Dave`	`She's turning into a zombie!`
`04:28.31`	`Dave`	`Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah`
`04:29.10`	`fredrin`	`brainz? where?`
`04:30.00`	`Dave`	`apt: brains?`
`04:30.01`	`apt`	`BRAIIINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ`
`04:31.35`	`SeligArkin`	`re-created her apt-find script`
`04:31.50`	`SeligArkin`	`which just is a shell scvript containing apt-cache search $*`
`04:31.53`	`SeligArkin`	`less typing. :P`
`04:35.19`	`Dave`	`huhu`
`04:35.25`	`Dave`	`I think we've all done that ;)`
`04:35.50`	`Dave`	`except those of us with perverse fixations on typing apt-get/aptitude strings`
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`04:41.14`	`SeligArkin`	`looks for openttd in the debian repos`
`04:41.25`	`SeligArkin`	`fails`
`04:41.27`	`SeligArkin`	`:(`
`04:43.44`	`Dave`	`aww`
`04:44.01`	`Dave`	`I think I still have it installed... on my gamemoko`
`04:44.46`	`fredrin`	`gamemoko?`
`04:45.01`	`Dave`	`Affirmative.`
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`05:17.40`	`SeligArkin`	`Hmm`
`05:18.08`	`SeligArkin`	`Thats what my project for tomorrow will be, getting openttd onto my openmoko`
`05:18.34`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: do you use shr or debian or ???`
`05:18.59`	`Dave`	`Illume, and 2007 primarily`
`05:19.48`	`SeligArkin`	`ah, I am rather happy with debian`
`05:20.42`	`Dave`	`After you whipped it enough`
`05:20.51`	`SeligArkin`	`indeed`
`05:21.08`	`Dave`	`it just needed a good beating :p`
`05:21.19`	`SeligArkin`	`:P`
`05:21.27`	`SeligArkin`	`whip it good! It's not too late!`
`05:22.06`	`Dave`	`;D`
`05:22.12`	`Dave`	`it jsut needed a good beating ;)`
`05:23.08`	`SeligArkin`	`apt-gets dosbox`
`05:23.17`	`SeligArkin`	`my friend is obsessed with dos`
`05:23.25`	`Dave`	`rolls his eyes`
`05:23.41`	`SeligArkin`	`he actualy runs it on a couple modern computers`
`05:23.48`	`Dave`	`hot`
`05:23.56`	`Dave`	`dos 7.whatever ? :P`
`05:24.01`	`SeligArkin`	`freedos`
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`05:25.33`	`Dave`	`ah :p`
`05:26.03`	`SeligArkin`	`I have it on an old laptop`
`05:26.21`	`Dave`	`Wonderful`
`05:27.36`	`Dave`	`What other kinky shit do you have down in that dungeon of yours, Selig? ;)`
`05:28.31`	`SeligArkin`	`heh`
`05:29.00`	`SeligArkin`	`I have my laptop, a windows computer for games, a linux computer I use as a lil server... and that oldlaptop`
`05:29.32`	`Dave`	`oh, okay :p`
`05:29.43`	`SeligArkin`	`oh and an old dumb terminal`
`05:29.54`	`SeligArkin`	`like printer-port communications dumb terminal`
`05:30.08`	`Dave`	`oh, and here I thought you were referring to your boyfriend ;p`
`05:30.15`	`SeligArkin`	`haha`
`05:30.22`	`SeligArkin`	`nope, lacking one of them`
`05:30.34`	`Dave`	`:[`
`05:31.09`	`SeligArkin`	`meh, starting to feel happyer being alone... too much insanity in the world to have to tough it out with two people`
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`05:33.45`	`Dave`	`heh`
`05:33.49`	`Dave`	`Enter the slaxxin`
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`05:34.42`	`slaxxin`	`counterstriked out`
`05:34.51`	`Dave`	`rofl`
`05:35.03`	`slaxxin`	`messing with mythtv`
`05:35.29`	`SeligArkin`	`thats something I want to get setup one day`
`05:35.32`	`SeligArkin`	`my own stb`
`05:35.40`	`SeligArkin`	`(set top box)`
`05:35.56`	`Dave`	`RAGE`
`05:36.01`	`SeligArkin`	`detect annoying commersials and KILL THEM!`
`05:36.09`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:36.46`	`slaxxin`	`seligarkin is that a counterstrike nick?`
`05:36.51`	`SeligArkin`	`no`
`05:36.55`	`slaxxin`	`oo`
`05:38.36`	`SeligArkin`	`looks at the tinme`
`05:38.46`	`SeligArkin`	`0139`
`05:39.01`	`shellevil`	`05:39`
`05:40.29`	`Dave`	`speedy, go back to bed :p`
`05:43.32`	`shellevil`	`is in bed`
`05:43.41`	`shellevil`	`is in pain, and can't get to sleep.`
`05:43.50`	`SeligArkin`	`Aww`
`05:44.02`	`slaxxin`	`well stopit`
`05:44.02`	`shellevil`	`been lifting stuff around today`
`05:44.07`	`SeligArkin`	`gets a knife`
`05:44.10`	`SeligArkin`	`what hurts?`
`05:44.26`	`Dave`	`:O`
`05:44.36`	`Dave`	`trepanation ftw? :p`
`05:45.17`	`SeligArkin`	`wha?I was just going to lop off what hurts...`
`05:45.44`	`SeligArkin`	`......`
`05:46.04`	`SeligArkin`	`"This is very bad. Enlightenment SEGV'd"`
`05:49.23`	`Dave`	`:p`
`05:49.34`	`Dave`	`NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER SPANK SPANK SPANK`
`05:52.50`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: what time is it where you live?`
`05:54.45`	`SeligArkin`	`curls up in her bed and goes to slepe`
`05:54.47`	`SeligArkin`	`nini`
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`05:56.18`	`Dave`	`Not so fast!`
`05:58.17`	`SeligArkin`	`looks at dave`
`05:58.19`	`SeligArkin`	`yes?`
`05:58.36`	`Dave`	`heh heh >:)`
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`05:58.56`	`SeligArkin`	`yawns and lays back down`
`05:59.00`	`SeligArkin`	`talk to ya tomorrow`
`05:59.05`	`Dave`	`Goodnight dear.`
`05:59.10`	`Dave`	`Sweet dreams.`
`05:59.11`	`SeligArkin`	`hehe`
`05:59.17`	`Dave`	`(hopefully not of freerunners)`
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`07:47.44`	`Linkas`	`how adjust "tar" program to open archives gzip? i have shr`
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`07:59.31`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, Use the "z" switch.`
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`08:15.28`	`Linkas`	`KenYoung: what?`
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`08:16.22`	`\|Marco\|`	`tar xfz`
`08:16.28`	`\|Marco\|`	`xvfz`
`08:16.43`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, If I understood your question correctly, you want tar to operate on an archive that was gzip'd."`
`08:17.29`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, If you would normally do, for example, tar xf blah.tar, you now need to do tar zxf blah.tar.gz .`
`08:18.06`	`Linkas`	`i want install debian on microsd card and install.sh script shows that tar cannot work with gzip archives`
`08:21.38`	`Linkas`	`script shows:"tar does not support gzip archives"`
`08:22.19`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, Can you just unzip it before passing it to the script?`
`08:23.18`	`Linkas`	`KenYoung:no because script download archive from internet`
`08:24.21`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, Then it sounds like you need to either modify the script, to make it unzip after the download, or install a version of tar which can process gzip'd files.`
`08:25.38`	`Linkas`	`KenYoung: ok i will do that like you said.`
`08:26.14`	`KenYoung`	`Linkas, Sorry I can't be of more help - I've never run into a tar version that could not handle zip'd files.`
`08:30.51`	`Defiant-_`	`Linkas: is gzip installed?`
`08:32.17`	`Linkas`	`i don't installled gzip`
`08:33.17`	`Defiant-_`	`is it or not?`
`08:34.11`	`Linkas`	`Defiant-_: what is name of this package`
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`08:34.28`	`Defiant-_`	`Linkas: I don't know, probably gzip.`
`08:34.42`	`Defiant-_`	`gzip is easy to check if it is installed. If yes, the gzip binary is there`
`08:34.52`	`Defiant-_`	`try which gzip`
`08:36.04`	`Linkas`	`i have not gzip`
`08:36.18`	`Defiant-_`	`then install it`
`08:36.30`	`Linkas`	`good idea:)`
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`08:52.19`	`Linkas`	`Defiant-_:i installed gzip, now should work, but i haven't got time to test it. thanks for help`
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`10:05.18`	`rhkfin`	`Advertisement: win 214e by writing a small app for FR: http://cofundos.org/project.php/?id=150#bids`
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`10:18.48`	`KenYoung`	`rhkfin, It'll be interesting to see how high the jackpot has to go before you start getting some bites.`
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`10:21.15`	`KenYoung`	`Does cofundos give any statistics about how large the typical award is for a successful project?`
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`10:26.56`	`rhkfin`	`KenYoung: AFAIK cofundos hasn't had many succesful projects, as pointed out in the comments here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/pay-for-your-open-source-software/#comments`
`10:27.37`	`rhkfin`	`But our approach is a little different so we'll have a successful project :)`
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`10:35.22`	`KenYoung`	`rhkfin, Perhaps your web page announcing the contest should prominently display, near the top and in bold letters, the prize that is being offered.`
`10:37.27`	`rhkfin`	`KenYoung: I just posted a new blog post about it.. OTOH I don't want people to participate because of money.. But I could add it there anyway.`
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`12:36.24`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mwester: it's still not clear what bat-manuf's statement really meant in the end. They told we mustn't charge the battery all the time. That's obvious. But the definition of "charge" still is fuzzy. For me the batery seems to have no way to detect a constant charging voltage that is identical to the internal bat voltage (means charging current drops to 0)`
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`12:42.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mwester: well maybe LiIon needs some >4.0V to accept any charge to a "near-full" level, and as soon as axternal voltage is removed, the bat voltage drops to the nominal 3.7V. We obviously mustn't apply a voltage >3.7V for extended periods then. But it's still not completely checked AFAIK`
`12:44.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mwester: basically I think it's safe to apply constant voltage for trickle charging all the time, if we can find a voltage where a full battery doesn't take any more charging current`
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`13:03.25`	`nio_`	`Silly question; where can I learn about the default repositories? I have some incorrect urls in my config files and want to find out what they're about and which ones I should have by default.`
`13:09.26`	`nio_`	`The wiki has a page with repositories on it, but it says nothing about default reps.`
`13:11.02`	`henk`	`nio_: default repos for?`
`13:12.51`	`nio_`	`OM2008.12`
`13:13.02`	`rhkfin`	`nio_: you need to use the 2008.8 repositories`
`13:13.12`	`nio_`	`ah, k, thanks`
`13:14.12`	`nio_`	`Ran the Kustomizer script yesterday, obviously it couldn't find some stuff so now I've got to clean it up again. :)`
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`13:18.07`	`rhkfin`	`nio_: it's not about the feeds..`
`13:18.17`	`rhkfin`	`or yes, it's about opkg.org repository..`
`13:18.52`	`rhkfin`	`go to opkg.org and fidn the apps you want to install from there.. tangogps fails because the latest kustomizer doesn't know to install libexif that tango needs, devel version has this included.`
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`13:25.27`	`nio_`	`Ok. So it's safer to consult opkg.org for packages first than to try the opkg command right away?`
`13:26.41`	`rhkfin`	`not safer/unsafer but opkg can't install from opkg.org repository that well, it's broken. Installing opkg install http:/... works ~better -> check opkg.org..`
`13:31.25`	`nio_`	`Ah, so it depends on the package and dependencies wether a plain opkg install, without urls, works or not? In other words, the official OM2008.8 repository and opkg.org aren't really in sync I guess. Ah well, I'll just check the opkg.org site and the wiki pages if I want to install something I don't know about.`
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`13:44.43`	`rhkfin`	`nio_: I actually now released 0.4 to fix these problems.. But it requires reflashing to run it..`
`13:45.19`	`rhkfin`	`the repositories have different apps. opkg.org has more 'apps' as 2008 repos have mostly system stuff (some apps, too)`
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`15:45.16`	`SeligArkin`	`screams`
`15:45.26`	`SeligArkin`	`Stop turning off the screen!`
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`15:46.56`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`15:47.08`	`Dave`	`slowly backs away...`
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`15:48.30`	`SeligArkin`	`pokepokepokepokepokepokepokes the phone`
`15:49.37`	`SeligArkin`	`WHY IS YOU DOINGMEAN STUFFS TO SELIOGSADLMKAEKFL`
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`15:49.39`	`SeligArkin`	`LASDMFSKDLFMAS`
`15:51.00`	`SeligArkin`	`stares at it`
`15:51.01`	`Dave`	`Yeah, pretty much :p`
`15:51.18`	`SeligArkin`	`it.... it stoped frameworkd`
`15:54.07`	`Dave`	`hot`
`15:54.18`	`vininim`	`debian?`
`15:54.24`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:54.45`	`vininim`	`also, is suspend borking sdcard fixed?`
`15:55.09`	`vininim`	`(I would think so, or else people wouldn't be using it for that long)`
`15:55.19`	`SeligArkin`	`downloads her local area's maps`
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`16:11.53`	`Dave`	`Where do you hail from, Selig? :P`
`16:12.22`	`SeligArkin`	`Near philly`
`16:12.27`	`SeligArkin`	`Philidelpha`
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`16:13.16`	`SeligArkin`	`slaps frameworkd for crashing again`
`16:13.37`	`SeligArkin`	`or it didn't like me disconnecting from SSH when I started it from there`
`16:13.45`	`SeligArkin`	`restarts directing logs to /dev/null`
`16:13.47`	`SeligArkin`	`and in the bg`
`16:14.11`	`SeligArkin`	`...`
`16:14.14`	`SeligArkin`	`It killed wifi again`
`16:14.19`	`SeligArkin`	`this is getting annoying`
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`16:15.41`	`vininim`	`don't give up :D`
`16:15.43`	`Dave`	`:O`
`16:15.48`	`Dave`	`Selig, stay away from me!`
`16:15.51`	`Dave`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH`
`16:15.55`	`Dave`	`ALSO`
`16:16.02`	`Dave`	`Beware of the Lazy lulus... Â¬_Â¬`
`16:16.16`	`vininim`	`wat`
`16:16.18`	`SeligArkin`	`who is lazy lulyy?`
`16:16.22`	`SeligArkin`	`lulu*`
`16:16.25`	`Dave`	`MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA`
`16:16.37`	`Dave`	`FAMOUS LAST WORDS`
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`16:17.07`	`SeligArkin`	`you know that got me curious now. :P`
`16:18.19`	`Dave`	`Well, ask Zorkman or bumble if you dare... Â¬_Â¬`
`16:18.57`	`Dave`	`Also, I'm glad I've likely expired from the tango friends map at this point... since I wouldn't want to take on yet another stalker :P`
`16:19.30`	`SeligArkin`	`haha`
`16:19.49`	`Dave`	`Yeah, you laugh...`
`16:19.55`	`Dave`	`but you don't know the half of it... Â¬_Â¬`
`16:20.00`	`Dave`	`~_~`
`16:20.01`	`apt`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`16:20.06`	`Dave`	`apt: shut up`
`16:20.06`	`apt`	`yes, master dave`
`16:20.11`	`Dave`	`Good girl`
`16:20.13`	`Dave`	`pets apt`
`16:21.02`	`SeligArkin`	`thinks she sees how to disable the screen idling`
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`16:21.18`	`SeligArkin`	`I need to learn dbus better`
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`16:22.26`	`SeligArkin`	`I would never enable something like that. :P`
`16:22.32`	`SeligArkin`	`is too parinoid as it is. :P`
`16:23.16`	`Dave`	`set STALK_MODE_ENABLE 1`
`16:23.22`	`Dave`	`Â¬_Â¬`
`16:23.39`	`SeligArkin`	`heh`
`16:23.56`	`Dave`	`sends his bat army after selig`
`16:24.16`	`SeligArkin`	`eep`
`16:25.23`	`SeligArkin`	`only 4040 more images to download!`
`16:25.43`	`Dave`	`pfft`
`16:25.46`	`Dave`	`noob`
`16:26.00`	`SeligArkin`	`:P`
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`16:40.52`	`SeligArkin`	`Dave: how many freerunners do you have, anyway?`
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`16:44.45`	`SeligArkin`	`how much space would an entire state take up for tangogps?`
`16:45.13`	`shellevil`	`depends on the resolution`
`16:45.22`	`shellevil`	`and which state`
`16:45.57`	`SeligArkin`	`PA and high enough zoom to read side-street's names`
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`16:46.24`	`shellevil`	`10000km^2 at 1m resolution for example would be 10 gigapixels`
`16:46.38`	`SeligArkin`	`erm... eep`
`16:46.41`	`shellevil`	`a sizable fraction of a gigabyte is probably a safe bet`
`16:47.10`	`shellevil`	`anyway - each on-screen tile is 256*256`
`16:47.23`	`shellevil`	`zoom in to the level you want, and work it out`
`16:47.43`	`SeligArkin`	`I will just wait till I get to a friend's house and use his faster internets to get the maps for my local area then`
`16:48.06`	`Dave`	`:)`
`16:48.16`	`Dave`	`GIGAPIXELS`
`16:48.36`	`Dave`	`Selig, more than enough :P`
`16:49.02`	`SeligArkin`	`and I will just visit him before any tripsto get the local area of there too`
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`16:51.17`	`Dave`	`your internets are weak old man!`
`16:51.24`	`SeligArkin`	`yeah. :(`
`16:51.42`	`SeligArkin`	`tries to think of what else to download onto the phon`
`16:51.43`	`shellevil`	`yeah - 1m/pixel is probably about right`
`16:52.53`	`slaxxin`	`1.6 gigawatts`
`16:54.28`	`Dave`	`1.21JW!`
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`16:55.27`	`slaxxin`	`i got mo powwa`
`16:55.59`	`rhkfin`	`advertisement: 9 days time to win 214e and a leather case for Freerunner - http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/`
`16:58.50`	`Dave`	`JIGGAWATTS!`
`16:59.23`	`Dave`	`openmoko? hyvÃ¤Ã¤!`
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`16:59.49`	`Dave`	`rhkfin: kiitos :)`
`17:00.43`	`rhkfin`	`Dave: :)`
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`17:29.24`	`DocScrutinizer`	`Dave: you knew an electron-flash tube has gigawatt power? check it out, you'll be amazed :)`
`17:31.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ok well, maybe just several megawatt`
`17:31.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`depending on size`
`17:33.18`	`Dave`	`yeah!`
`17:33.22`	`Dave`	`I'm not amazed :P`
`17:33.29`	`Dave`	`I would had I not known though :)`
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`17:33.48`	`Dave`	`I had a professor tell me this early in my career`
`17:34.03`	`Dave`	`Because he had horror stories about that stuff when he was younger`
`17:34.13`	`Dave`	`exploding/discharging tubes`
`17:34.32`	`Dave`	`I also had a lab assistant once tell me about exploding farad caps once`
`17:35.01`	`Dave`	`But trust me, I saw my fair share of excitement, working in a chem lab for years`
`17:35.05`	`Dave`	`:P`
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`17:46.43`	`Dave`	`Hey cesarb :)`
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`18:03.25`	`tomboy64`	`eh`
`18:03.37`	`tomboy64`	`i'm trying to put a new splash sceen on my freerunner`
`18:03.49`	`tomboy64`	`and i'd like my gz to be bigger than 0x5000 bytes`
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`18:04.17`	`tomboy64`	`so i issued this command in usb-console:`
`18:04.27`	`tomboy64`	`setenv splashimage nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000\; unzip 0x32000000 0x88000000 0x96000 saveenv`
`18:05.02`	`tomboy64`	`as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Configuring_the_boot_splash_screens (modifying the size of the compressed splash-image`
`18:05.32`	`tomboy64`	`still, however, seems to be cut off before the image ends`
`18:05.39`	`tomboy64`	`and the bottom of the splash is garbled`
`18:06.12`	`tomboy64`	`and when i get into the usb-console again and issue "printenv" the splashimage variable is gone :-X`
`18:06.20`	`tomboy64`	`how do i make the variable persistent?`
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`18:06.36`	`mmontour`	`Make sure you're doing all of this from the NAND u-boot, not NOR`
`18:06.41`	`tomboy64`	`or is there something else i should do to fix the garbled splash`
`18:06.44`	`tomboy64`	`uhM?`
`18:06.49`	`tomboy64`	`mmontour, how do i do that?`
`18:07.13`	`mmontour`	`The 'saveenv' should also be on its own line. To get to NAND, press the power button first and then Aux`
`18:07.58`	`tomboy64`	`when i do that it just boots`
`18:08.22`	`tomboy64`	`or do you mean the bootscreen i need to have when flashing the image?`
`18:09.44`	`mmontour`	`Press and hold the power button. After about half a second, also press and hold Aux. This should get you into the NAND u-boot menu`
`18:10.56`	`tomboy64`	`wow`
`18:10.57`	`tomboy64`	`thanks`
`18:11.02`	`tomboy64`	`never noticed the difference`
`18:11.10`	`tomboy64`	`mmontour++ :-)`
`18:11.47`	`tomboy64`	`and what did you mean with saveenv on its own line? you mean a \; after the 0x96000?`
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`18:13.14`	`mmontour`	`No, I mean enter the setenv command (ending with ...0x96000) and press enter. Then type the "saveenv" command.`
`18:13.43`	`tomboy64`	`ahh, mmmky`
`18:14.29`	`tomboy64`	`yikes!`
`18:14.32`	`mmontour`	`You can also leave out the "0x5000" in that command, and u-boot will load the entire contents of the splash partition into memory`
`18:14.40`	`tomboy64`	`Error: Bad gzipped data`
`18:15.18`	`mmontour`	`Specifying a size limit makes the booting a bit faster, but the limit has to be larger than the actual size of the compressed data`
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`18:37.35`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`someone with shr could post me his /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, i've lost it...`
`18:37.44`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`please :D`
`18:37.56`	`Dave`	`hehe`
`18:37.59`	`SeligArkin`	`I see my moko doesn;t want to be usable as a phone today...`
`18:38.18`	`Dave`	`It's more moody than a pregnant woman!`
`18:38.24`	`SeligArkin`	`heh`
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`18:39.27`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`please I need a /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu`
`18:42.34`	`SeligArkin`	`one min`
`18:42.39`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`i found it`
`18:43.09`	`SeligArkin`	`http://darkdna.net/~selig/applications.menu`
`18:43.39`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`yes i found it into mailing list`
`18:43.42`	`Pietrao[studia]`	`thank you`
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`19:11.37`	`vininim`	`Does anyone know if Fyp has phone logging?`
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`19:18.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tomboy64: I noticed there's some linebreaks missing somewhere in wiki, when it comes to entering env setup commands in uBoot`
`19:18.43`	`tomboy64`	`yes`
`19:18.48`	`tomboy64`	`i somehow borked it`
`19:19.00`	`tomboy64`	`i'm getting the bootmenu as splashscreen now :-]`
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`19:19.16`	`tomboy64`	`yayy for the boobieeees`
`19:19.45`	`tomboy64`	`DocScrutinizer, would re-flashing u-boot set it back to the original state? with the original splashscreen?`
`19:20.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nah, spalshscreen is a separate partition. flashing uboot won't help. env the same afaik`
`19:21.12`	`tomboy64`	`mhmm`
`19:21.26`	`tomboy64`	`considers reimplementing u-boot in Ook!`
`19:21.39`	`tomboy64`	`seriously`
`19:21.43`	`tomboy64`	`what can i do?`
`19:22.05`	`tomboy64`	`to restore the original env, that is`
`19:23.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`probably most easy is to issue the correct commands`
`19:23.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yeah I know this doesn't help much`
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`19:23.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`but I don't have them at top of my head right now`
`19:24.12`	`tomboy64`	`:)`
`19:24.21`	`tomboy64`	`just noticed a missing 0`
`19:24.52`	`DocScrutinizer`	`maybe try printenv in NOR to get a template`
`19:25.09`	`tomboy64`	`mhmm good input`
`19:25.54`	`DocScrutinizer`	`splahscreen partition probably needs flashing with dfu-util`
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`19:30.02`	`tomboy64`	`yup, did that`
`19:30.06`	`tomboy64`	`still no luck`
`19:30.20`	`tomboy64`	`and i just noticed using defaultenv wasn't the smartest idea`
`19:32.36`	`tomboy64`	`uhhhh YEAH!`
`19:32.54`	`tomboy64`	`has a cow with a fat tit on his splash :-D`
`19:33.02`	`SeligArkin`	`...`
`19:33.16`	`tomboy64`	`thanks for holding my hand there, DocScrutinizer`
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`19:34.00`	`tomboy64`	`SeligArkin, basically this one http://www.gentoo.org/images/backgrounds/cow-push-800x600.jpg`
`19:34.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tomboy64: nah, I didn't do anything. Welcome anyway`
`19:34.06`	`tomboy64`	`so no worries :)`
`19:34.30`	`tomboy64`	`and now off to the wiki and tidying up that ... article`
`19:35.13`	`DocScrutinizer`	`a smart idea`
`19:35.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`inflex: awake?`
`19:35.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`oops`
`19:35.59`	`SeligArkin`	`i was going to install something.. I can't for the life of me remember what though`
`19:36.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`Global Thermonuclear War?`
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`19:36.22`	`tomboy64`	`the rootkit i sent you?`
`19:36.27`	`SeligArkin`	`oh yeah!`
`19:36.31`	`SeligArkin`	`thanks tomboy64`
`19:36.37`	`tomboy64`	`yw :-D`
`19:36.40`	`SeligArkin`	`apt-get install tomboys-rootkit`
`19:37.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`"NO PANIC!" bootsplash?`
`19:37.02`	`tomboy64`	`it's still in the beginning stages`
`19:37.10`	`SeligArkin`	`oh`
`19:37.22`	`tomboy64`	`so you'd have to do some more`
`19:37.24`	`SeligArkin`	`makes it so the text will zoom by on boot`
`19:37.30`	`tomboy64`	`we'd start with rm -rf /`
`19:37.31`	`tomboy64`	`:-D`
`19:37.47`	`tomboy64`	`DocScrutinizer, sounds fun`
`19:38.42`	`SeligArkin`	`echo "loglevel=8" > /boot/append-GTA02`
`19:38.49`	`SeligArkin`	`to make text zoom by on boot,right`
`19:39.41`	`henk`	`or keep pressing power button`
`19:39.51`	`SeligArkin`	`I want it to do it automaticly. :P`
`19:39.57`	`SeligArkin`	`loves the look of text zooming by`
`19:40.55`	`henk`	`me too, but not if it makes the boot take more time...`
`19:41.11`	`SeligArkin`	`hmm, how much more etimed?`
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`19:41.48`	`henk`	`depends on how many messages there are...`
`19:42.07`	`SeligArkin`	`oh well`
`19:42.17`	`SeligArkin`	`I like the look,gives me the feeling it is actualy doing something`
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`19:47.51`	`SeligArkin`	`there is no debian package for openttd in the repo`
`19:47.55`	`SeligArkin`	`gets to work`
`19:48.42`	`henk`	`not for armel at least...`
`19:48.45`	`SeligArkin`	`nope`
`19:51.34`	`SeligArkin`	`wgets the source to her phone`
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`20:01.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SeligArkin: so you finally got to the foundation of OM's appeal :-)`
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`20:02.23`	`SeligArkin`	`hehe, DocScrutinizer`
`20:02.35`	`SeligArkin`	`I alsolove that I can program for it, without paying money`
`20:03.18`	`SeligArkin`	`installs notification-daemon`
`20:03.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`this is sth you could do for a lot of smartphones`
`20:03.39`	`SeligArkin`	`not with as much power`
`20:03.57`	`SeligArkin`	`I could for my old windows mobile phone`
`20:04.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`given you are willing to live with limits as to which language to use etc`
`20:04.16`	`SeligArkin`	`indeed`
`20:04.28`	`SeligArkin`	`no touching this, that,or that other thing`
`20:04.50`	`SeligArkin`	`if I wanted I could setup a cronjob to call somsone every morning if I wanted with this.:P`
`20:05.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yeah, never own your own phone`
`20:05.25`	`SeligArkin`	`lets the screen go dark again for a test`
`20:05.52`	`SeligArkin`	`hmm`
`20:06.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`bemoans the lack of (end user) voice recognition for linux.`
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`20:06.25`	`SeligArkin`	`notifications don't wake the screen, it seems`
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`20:08.06`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: yup :-/`
`20:09.10`	`SeligArkin`	`I hgave to be honest, though`
`20:09.34`	`SeligArkin`	`what I love most about linux is how you can easily peice things together using whatever you want`
`20:11.15`	`SeligArkin`	`eg, I have a lcd screen, text only, black and green, pertillion(sp?)`
`20:11.22`	`SeligArkin`	`It is just another file for me to write to`
`20:11.37`	`SeligArkin`	`so if I wanted, I could write a brainfuck program to output to it!`
`20:12.32`	`SeligArkin`	`and that just makes me HAPPY`
`20:12.42`	`SeligArkin`	`I can fit it together however I want`
`20:12.52`	`SeligArkin`	`I don'thave to use a C api if I don't want to`
`20:18.22`	`s_p`	`i just flashed my om to 2008.12 but when i try to upgrade it uses http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, is it correct ?`
`20:19.53`	PaulFert`	`s_p: do you know that 2008.x is unsupported and no longer maintained and possibly will be never maintained again?`
`20:20.27`	`s_p`	PaulFert`, no :), what is than considered the supported distr ?
`20:21.44`	PaulFert`	`s_p: supported by whom? OM sponsors FSO and Paroli development and Angus builds some images from that. Community supports SHR (based on FSO), Debian and Gentoo distros.`
`20:22.15`	PaulFert`	`s_p: the recent addition to that is community-supported qtopia, but i'm not sure it will live for long.`
`20:22.34`	`SeligArkin`	`shoots qtopia while it is down`
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`20:34.40`	`nio_`	`Hmmz, "Due to the u-blox 4 need to have extra flash to storage up to 14 days of offline data (90 KBytes), GTA02 don't have it.", I don't really get this, is Assist Offline not available because it takes 90KB? That sounds very strange.`
`20:35.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`kicks qtopia's ass`
`20:35.58`	`nio_`	`shakes his OpenMooCow`
`20:37.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio_: that's AGPS for "dumb devices". FR does thad via AGPSD`
`20:38.54`	`nio_`	`mmmmkay? So, err does this Assist Online/Offline have any advantage on GTA02? I'm only just starting to play with gps for the first time..)`
`20:40.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`it saves ~12min of ephem/alm data download from sat`
`20:42.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`GPS is all about distance to (at least) 3 sats, so gps-receiver has to know where those sats are at the very uSec`
`20:42.31`	`nio_`	`uhuh`
`20:43.04`	`nio_`	`and it has to get that info from somewhere and it probably gets updated every so often, right?`
`20:43.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that's quite some data for now and a few hours into the future, and usually you have to download it from sat by very low bandwidth`
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`20:43.47`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or you fetch it from internet`
`20:44.06`	`nio_`	`Download from a sattelite? Hmmz, I thought they only transmitted time signals or something?`
`20:45.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`if you fetched it somewhere last few hours, you can store it on dedicated 90k flash or somewhere in rootfs and restore to chip on powerup`
`20:45.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio, nope they (sats) also send alm/ephem data`
`20:46.15`	`nio_`	`alm/ephm means when they are going to be where?`
`20:46.16`	`SeligArkin`	`wow lots of dependicys for this`
`20:46.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`this needs significantly higher receive signal level than a simple fix, and takes ~12min`
`20:47.12`	`zing`	`the numbers in shr-settings_0.1.0+r73+21d278d51f58b31519917ae848484cb9f84ef9b5-r2_armv4t.ipk doesn't seem to correspond to any git commit in shr-settings git repo... how could I make this correspondence?`
`20:47.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio_: yup, one long term, other short detail`
`20:47.41`	`nio_`	`Yeah, I've seen that being mentioned somewhere, about the, err, TTFF`
`20:48.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmhm, right. TimeToFirstFix is much shorter with AGPS`
`20:48.39`	`nio_`	`I see, learned something new again..)`
`20:48.53`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:)`
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`20:51.16`	`zing`	`hmmm, never mind, i cloned and grepped locally instead of fighting the git web interface.`
`20:53.13`	`nio_`	`So this Assist Online/Offline service can really help shorten that TTFF. Alright. But both the Online and Offline services basically do the same, right? Getting that alm/ephm data on the FR faster or in advance. So if that's it, then both services should work on the FR, unless it depends on the GPS hardware in some way, which I suppose it does, does it?`
`20:57.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio_: nope. AFAIK the framework tries to get ephem/alm data whereever possible, stores it locally and restores it to gps-chipset. so that's online and offline integrated`
`20:58.34`	`SeligArkin`	`slaps it`
`20:58.38`	`SeligArkin`	`zlib is right there!`
`20:59.14`	`SeligArkin`	`apt-find zliib`
`20:59.16`	`SeligArkin`	`wrong wind`
`20:59.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`also notice please there was a bug in FSO mangling data while restore to chip and thus effectively breaking GPS, until recent patch`
`21:00.14`	`nio_`	`whoopsy, I'll watch out for that one then`
`21:00.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`was a nasty little typo`
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`21:01.36`	`spaetz`	`plus gps seems broken when timezones are not correctly set up...`
`21:02.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that's quite possible, as alm/ephem download selects a subset that's applicable to actual time and position`
`21:02.47`	`nio_`	`I could state that hardware should not be allowed to get bricked by software in the first place, but since I hardly know anything about how this hardware and software works together, I'll refrain from that..)`
`21:04.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio_: basically gps-chipset is another system running some sw ;-)`
`21:04.27`	`DocScrutinizer`	`so no hw is "bricked"`
`21:05.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`more like a userland "driver" had a glitch`
`21:05.59`	`SeligArkin`	`throws something at it`
`21:06.02`	`shellevil`	`The GPS isn't I think flashable`
`21:06.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: nevertheless it contains firmware`
`21:07.01`	`shellevil`	`yes, I was just wondering.`
`21:07.09`	`shellevil`	`is somewhat GPS obsessed.`
`21:07.26`	`shellevil`	`Doing software GPS at the moment.`
`21:08.27`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: yup cool. to best of my knowledge it's unclear whether there exists a theoretical way to reflash AR6000`
`21:08.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`err uBlox`
`21:10.18`	`shellevil`	`I'm doing software GPS on teeny processors, with extreme powersaving. Which is fun :)`
`21:10.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`fun? lol`
`21:11.04`	`SeligArkin`	`considers doing something insane...`
`21:11.12`	`SeligArkin`	`meh whats the worst that can happen`
`21:11.19`	`nio_`	`Extreme powersaving can be lots of fun..)`
`21:11.39`	`nio_`	`ouch SeligArkin famous last words..`
`21:12.15`	`mmontour`	`"worst that can happen" is that your phone makes an international-roaming data connection and gives you a $60,000 monthly phone bill`
`21:12.17`	`SeligArkin`	`wgets the opkg package thingy for openttd on the open moko`
`21:12.43`	`CIA-49`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r903e6364c0b0 10/patches/elementary-header.patch: elementary patch commited upstream`
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`21:13.57`	`nio_`	`mmontour: I think you forgot the "transforming into a deceptacon, burning your house, stealing your girlfriend, and mess up your calendar" part`
`21:14.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mmontour: depends. on 60k-bucks your chances to cancel the whole thing are better than on 6k sometimes`
`21:14.46`	`nio_`	`Though burning ones house would probably mess up the calendar at the same time.`
`21:15.02`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lol`
`21:15.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or incinerate your whole bookshelf (what happened to me :-( )`
`21:15.52`	`nio_`	`SeligArkin: Thanks! You rock!`
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`21:16.10`	`nio_`	`I almost forgot about OpenTTD..`
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`21:16.15`	`SeligArkin`	`nio_: heh`
`21:16.24`	`SeligArkin`	`is trying to get it onto her debian install`
`21:16.30`	`SeligArkin`	`there is no package fo it`
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`21:16.40`	`bxyrk`	`hey all, has anyone gotten sms-middleware to work?`
`21:16.55`	`mmontour`	`nio_: it won't steal a girlfriend, but it might drive one away (after enough missed calls, echo complaints, etc.)`
`21:17.38`	`nio_`	`DocScrutinizer: your FR incinerated your bookshelf? What did you do, talk about getting an iPhone in it's presence?`
`21:17.48`	`mmontour`	`The "burning down the house" one might be plausible based on those pics that were posted to the mailing list recently`
`21:18.31`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nio_: it's been a nokia bat or charger, or a toshiba powersupply`
`21:18.52`	`nio_`	`ah`
`21:19.04`	`CIA-49`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * ree1055fa934b 10/vapi/elm.vapi: vapi: add missing calls for Elm.Win`
`21:19.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mmontour: absolutely`
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`21:20.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I'm rather glad I didn't sign responsible for that design o.O`
`21:21.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`gta03 has a polyfuse I forced in, so this risk is gone`
`21:22.25`	`nio_`	`gta03.. I'd better get a discount on that one ones it's out.. :)`
`21:22.27`	`dent`	`mmontour: which list/where should I look?`
`21:22.30`	`dent`	`8-O`
`21:23.01`	`SeligArkin`	`8`
`21:23.16`	`dent`	`8/0`
`21:23.22`	`SeligArkin`	`ERROR`
`21:23.25`	`dent`	`:)`
`21:23.53`	`mmontour`	`support list, subject "BrokenMoko" on Feb 23`
`21:24.02`	`dent`	`mmontour: thX`
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`21:25.28`	`shellevil`	`you can never stop battery faults catching fire.`
`21:25.33`	`mmontour`	`I wonder if he had the phone plugged into the wall charger and running u-boot when the problem happened`
`21:25.38`	`shellevil`	`as the battery has plenty of energy internally.`
`21:25.46`	`shellevil`	`but anything else you can hope to prevent`
`21:26.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: I know`
`21:26.31`	`mmontour`	`There was a bug in some versions where the PMU was alternating between 0 and 1A current, and this caused large current spikes and voltage dips from the charger`
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`21:26.52`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: that's why bat has tripple security, and a cert`
`21:28.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mmontour: hmm, oscilation. Yup that's possible`
`21:28.39`	`shellevil`	`wishes for nice highly dense power sources that can't catch fire.`
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`21:29.15`	`shellevil`	`IIRC the PMU is programmable enough to go >4.2V - is there internal protection in the cell?`
`21:29.16`	`SeligArkin`	`I wonder how long a ZPM could run a neo freerunner`
`21:29.39`	`mmontour`	`I'll post a followup on the mailing list and see if that issue could be related`
`21:29.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: always on fire is even better. Fuelcell`
`21:29.52`	`shellevil`	`DocScrutinizer: fuel cells are good.`
`21:30.05`	`shellevil`	`DocScrutinizer: if only someone'd get with it and make them cheap`
`21:30.16`	`shellevil`	`and small, and light, and high-power`
`21:30.21`	`shellevil`	`oh - and contamination resistant`
`21:30.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: yup cell has an autonomous prot-circuit`
`21:31.45`	`mmontour`	`shellevil: vmax can be set up to 4.3V according to the datasheet`
`21:32.14`	`shellevil`	`has charged li-ion up to 4.6V without incident before.`
`21:32.16`	`shellevil`	`(oops)`
`21:32.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ouch!`
`21:33.14`	`shellevil`	`I do this sort of stuff - improvised charger - in a steel box though.`
`21:33.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: incident probably was internal circuit cutout`
`21:33.45`	`Wonka`	`re ZPM on Neo: want`
`21:34.15`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: or was that a naked cell?`
`21:34.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`i really doubt`
`21:34.43`	`shellevil`	`DocScrutinizer: naked cells`
`21:34.47`	`SeligArkin`	`Wonka: haha, indeed`
`21:34.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: booh ey`
`21:35.23`	`shellevil`	`DocScrutinizer: I hadn't connected up my carefully constructed and tested shunt regulator.`
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`21:38.18`	`bxyrk`	`anyone?`
`21:38.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: yesterday I was heating a BL-5C very carefully with a lighter (to check id-pin resistor for temp response) when it was handwarm I stopped heating, but it got much hotter during 30sec, and was down from 4V to 2.5 after that :D`
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`21:47.06`	`SeligArkin`	`stares at it`
`21:47.09`	`nio_`	`Learned about gps, got stuff working, and best of all; got friggin OpenTTD running on my FR! w00t! Yeah, it's been a good day..) Now for some Heroes and then sleepy.`
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`21:47.40`	`shellevil`	`doc: yeah - youtube is good for teh results of lithium bat abuse :)`
`21:47.46`	`shellevil`	`Lots of beeeg flames.`
`21:48.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shellevil: pointers? :-D`
`21:49.38`	`SeligArkin`	`DocScrutinizer: 0xFF342E42`
`21:49.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hehe`
`21:50.24`	`DocScrutinizer`	`segfault`
`21:50.54`	`shellevil`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU`
`21:50.59`	`SeligArkin`	`I think I am going to have to learn some programming.. because I like illume, I don't like that I can't move the icons in the shelf it seems`
`21:51.01`	`shellevil`	`as a mechanical damage example`
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`21:52.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`wooohoooooo! :-)))`
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`21:53.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`considers small changes in vibrator mechanics :-D`
`21:55.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`and electronic, to drive it reverse so the thread is unscrewing and pushing the imbalance part out`
`21:55.22`	`shellevil`	`anti-theft++`
`21:56.48`	`SeligArkin`	`I segv's enlightenment again`
`21:56.55`	`SeligArkin`	`how the hell do I manage that?`
`21:57.13`	`DocScrutinizer`	`remembers diplomat attache case with litium selfdestruction safety equipment is forbiddeen in airplanes ;-D`
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`22:00.36`	`anttna`	`shellevil: wishes for nice highly dense power sources that can't catch fire. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cow_Power`
`22:05.19`	`shellevil`	`anttna: cows are indeed dense. But not in that way.`
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`22:16.54`	`apol`	`is there any working distribution for freerunner? what's android+freerunner state?`
`22:18.07`	`lindi-`	`apol: "working distribution"?`
`22:19.06`	`KenYoung`	`apol, There are distributions which many people, myself included, find reliable enough to enable the Freerunner to be used as an everyday phone.`
`22:19.10`	`apol`	`lindi-: yep, last time i tried i couldn't even enter my pin code`
`22:19.35`	`apol`	`KenYoung: where can I find about it? any hint about which one is the best?`
`22:20.32`	`KenYoung`	`I personally use 2009.12 + Kustomizer, but SHR seems to be the one that people praise the most.`
`22:20.56`	`KenYoung`	`Ooops - I meant 2008.12 + Kustomizer.`
`22:21.49`	`KenYoung`	`I have maybe one problem per week now - a missed call or a failure to resume from suspend.`
`22:22.15`	`apol`	`hmmm`
`22:22.26`	`apol`	`thanks`
`22:22.40`	`KenYoung`	`THe situation is far better than it used to be.`
`22:23.10`	`mwester`	`Yeah. We have fewer distros now?`
`22:23.42`	`KenYoung`	`mwester, Gosh, I thought we had more than ever.`
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`22:24.21`	`mwester`	`Depends how you count, I guess.`
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`22:26.48`	`KenYoung`	`paskiramchi`
`22:27.03`	`KenYoung`	`paskiramchi`
`22:27.17`	`KenYoung`	`Oops - sorry. Wrong window.`
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`22:48.12`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: thanks for the call recording work`
`22:48.27`	`TAsn`	`sure thing.`
`22:48.45`	`TAsn`	`there's still more work to be done.`
`22:48.53`	`TAsn`	`next goal is cleaning the state a bit more`
`22:49.03`	`TAsn`	`and maybe making specific uses state files.`
`22:49.03`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: my usb headset only does 44100 or 48000`
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`22:49.09`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, sox`
`22:49.17`	`TAsn`	`(not a typo, use sox)`
`22:49.21`	`lindi-`	`yeah`
`22:49.39`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: or alsa probably has some downsampling stuff too?`
`22:49.50`	`TAsn`	`you mean up`
`22:50.00`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: well, both ways`
`22:50.04`	`TAsn`	`iirc the sampled alsa audio is 8000`
`22:50.06`	`TAsn`	`not sure.`
`22:50.13`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: audio from usb headset needs to be downsamples to 8000 to be sent to gsm`
`22:50.22`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: and audio from gsm needs to be upsampled to usb headset`
`22:51.02`	`TAsn`	`oh, right. ;]`
`22:51.30`	`TAsn`	`I just hope re-sampling is not costy.`
`22:51.50`	`TAsn`	`it shouldn't be too bad.`
`22:54.41`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, let me know when and if you solve it. ;]`
`22:54.47`	`TAsn`	`night.`
`22:54.57`	`TAsn`	`oh, and of course`
`22:54.58`	`TAsn`	`how.`
`22:54.58`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`22:55.19`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - \| sox -t raw -r 8000 -s -w -c 2 - -t raw -r 48000 -s -w -c 1 - \| aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c1 &`
`22:55.37`	`TAsn`	`works?`
`22:55.53`	`TAsn`	`fast enough I mean.`
`22:56.25`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: not tested yet, i'm in the middle of the other command :)`
`22:56.38`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`22:57.24`	`TAsn`	`well, beep me when you get something done (write tasn)`
`22:57.24`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: how about spelling out "-r 8000" explicitely in the wiki?`
`22:57.35`	`TAsn`	`sec.`
`22:57.53`	`lindi-`	`at least in the comments`
`22:58.03`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: and why -c2?`
`22:58.07`	`TAsn`	`to tell you the truth, till last week I was a major sound and alsa noob.`
`22:58.19`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, right and left mux`
`22:58.26`	`TAsn`	`this is how we get it from alsa.`
`22:58.32`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: so record with -c2 but play with -c1?`
`22:58.42`	`TAsn`	`play how ever you like`
`22:58.52`	`TAsn`	`you can also play with c2 if you want to`
`22:58.54`	`lindi-`	`ah, so -c1 since i only have one mic`
`22:59.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`TAsn: how about using plug alsa plugin to convert samplerate?`
`22:59.04`	`lindi-`	`arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - \| sox -t raw -r 8000 -s -w -c 2 - -t raw -r 48000 -s -w -c 1 - \| aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c1`
`22:59.12`	`lindi-`	`arecord -D usb -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 \| sox -t raw -r 48000 -s -w -c 1 - -t raw -r 8000 -s -w -c 2 - \| aplay -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 1`
`22:59.12`	`TAsn`	`DocScrutinizer, read a bit up`
`22:59.16`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: that thought occured to my mind too yes`
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`22:59.26`	`TAsn`	`<TAsn> to tell you the truth, till last week I was a major sound and alsa noob.`
`22:59.27`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: but this is more flexible as I can do other things here`
`22:59.29`	`TAsn`	`that's why ;]`
`22:59.42`	`lindi-`	`do those two commands look ok?`
`22:59.44`	`TAsn`	`I'm really learning on the go. ;]`
`22:59.50`	`TAsn`	`the first looks fine`
`23:00.10`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: and the 'arecord -D usb -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1' has been tested to work`
`23:00.11`	`TAsn`	`same goes for the second.`
`23:00.20`	`TAsn`	`I figured.`
`23:00.27`	`TAsn`	`hm, seems great.`
`23:00.57`	`lindi-`	`sox: invalid option -- w`
`23:00.59`	`mmontour`	`scrolls up`
`23:01.29`	`mmontour`	`Audio to/from GSM is analog, so I'm not sure where the resampling and "8000" comes from`
`23:01.42`	`TAsn`	`mmontour, adc...`
`23:01.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`btw I don't see why it has to be resampled at all. ADC/DAC in 8753 should be able to operate at 48000 as well I'd guess`
`23:02.11`	`TAsn`	`how do you set them?`
`23:02.12`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lol, mmontour. two guys one thought`
`23:02.24`	`lindi-`	`argh, sox has changed syntax between debian oldstable and unstable`
`23:02.42`	`lindi-`	`back to reading the _other version_ of the manual`
`23:02.50`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, hehe I hate it when that happens`
`23:03.06`	`TAsn`	`last time it happened to me was with dhcpcd 4.0`
`23:03.10`	`TAsn`	`iirc.`
`23:03.45`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: this time "-w" => "-b 16" is actually more readable`
`23:04.00`	`TAsn`	`indeed.`
`23:04.04`	`TAsn`	`iirc they also had`
`23:04.06`	`TAsn`	`-2`
`23:04.10`	`TAsn`	`which meant -2 bytes`
`23:04.15`	`TAsn`	`which meant 2 bytes*`
`23:04.20`	`lindi-`	`yeah`
`23:04.23`	`TAsn`	`i.e 16 bit`
`23:04.27`	`TAsn`	`man, that sucked.`
`23:04.27`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`23:04.28`	`lindi-`	`but I use 16 since aplay wants S16_LE`
`23:04.44`	`TAsn`	`aplay can handle a lot of formats`
`23:04.52`	`TAsn`	`not just s16_le`
`23:04.56`	`TAsn`	`oh, you mean the device?`
`23:05.05`	`TAsn`	`quick reminder`
`23:05.10`	`TAsn`	`<--- sound noob.`
`23:05.34`	`TAsn`	`anyhow, beep me when you get any progress.`
`23:05.57`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: you didn't answer DocScrutinizer's question about the need to downsample btw :)`
`23:06.37`	`TAsn`	`I did`
`23:06.41`	`TAsn`	`again:`
`23:06.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`really?`
`23:06.45`	`TAsn`	`<--- sound noob.`
`23:06.46`	`TAsn`	`no idea`
`23:06.46`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`23:07.08`	`TAsn`	`I really have no clue.`
`23:07.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ahh, so maybe just try aplay -r 48000 ???`
`23:07.22`	`TAsn`	most I know is thanks to DocScrutinizer and PaulFert`
`23:07.23`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: also do i really need -c2 there?`
`23:07.27`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: isn't GSM mono anyway?`
`23:07.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`foo-other-args of cotse`
`23:07.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`course`
`23:07.55`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, iirc yeah. since you can't get only the left or right capture channels`
`23:08.00`	`lindi-`	`-c1 fails with "arecord: set_params:923: Channels count non available"`
`23:08.13`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nah, you can mix stereo to it, or you can operate a single channel mono`
`23:08.30`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: but arecord does not want to record only one channel`
`23:08.55`	`DocScrutinizer`	`cause the device is defined to be a stereo device I'd guess`
`23:08.55`	`apol`	`how can i compile a program for the freerunner?`
`23:09.13`	`lindi-`	`apol: i run debian on my freerunner so i just use gcc like on my PC`
`23:09.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lindi-: I had to look into this. WM8753 can do mono record for all I know`
`23:09.54`	`apol`	`lindi-: but the freerunner is not x86 is it?`
`23:10.04`	`TAsn`	`apol, no it's not.`
`23:10.14`	`TAsn`	`search the wiki for toolchain`
`23:10.19`	`TAsn`	`if you just want a simple compile`
`23:10.20`	`apol`	`TAsn: great`
`23:10.24`	`lindi-`	`apol: yep, but it doesn't make much difference for me`
`23:10.24`	`TAsn`	`or go to the shr wiki`
`23:10.33`	`TAsn`	`to see how to work with an open embedded environment`
`23:10.37`	`TAsn`	`and use bbs`
`23:10.45`	`TAsn`	`s/bbs/bitbake/`
`23:11.07`	`apol`	`O_o`
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`23:15.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`is missing a usb-soundcard to do some tests :-(`
`23:15.19`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: hmm. now alsactl restore says 'No state is present for card default'`
`23:15.42`	`lindi-`	`any idea what that means?`
`23:16.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm, your card changed it's name?`
`23:16.35`	`TAsn`	`not even the slightest`
`23:17.06`	`DocScrutinizer`	`booted with usb-device plugged in?`
`23:17.15`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: no`
`23:17.19`	`lindi-`	`i only added it now`
`23:17.37`	`lindi-`	`but yeah, it is now "default" :`
`23:17.53`	`SeligArkin`	`looks for an alternitive to zhone`
`23:17.56`	`DocScrutinizer`	`compare aplay -l / -L with a working state one`
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`23:18.36`	`lindi-`	`SeligArkin: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula`
`23:18.57`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: $ aplay -l\|nc paste.dyndns.org 1234`
`23:18.58`	`lindi-`	`http://paste.nerv.fi/73341139.txt`
`23:19.25`	`lindi-`	`seems 'alsactl -f /etc/alsa-scenarios/call-recording.state restore 0' does not complain`
`23:19.27`	`DocScrutinizer`	`looks clean`
`23:19.35`	`lindi-`	`funny that alsactl wants card number there and not name`
`23:20.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I never gave name or number`
`23:20.32`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: because "default" happened to be the right one for you?`
`23:20.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`prolly`
`23:21.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`so what's happening when you ommit the "0"?`
`23:22.57`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: ''No state is present for card default''`
`23:23.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`duh`
`23:23.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`seems it's caused by your adding a second soundcard`
`23:23.28`	`DocScrutinizer`	`anyway`
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`23:24.54`	`lindi-`	`great. gsm -> usb works but I only hear from right speaker`
`23:25.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`"load current driver setup for one or each soundcards" :-D`
`23:25.25`	`lindi-`	`used 'arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - \| aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2'`
`23:25.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-)`
`23:25.38`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: is only the right channel really reading data from GSM?`
`23:25.40`	`DocScrutinizer`	`toldya`
`23:25.50`	`lindi-`	`managed to ignore it :(`
`23:26.15`	`lindi-`	`so i need to do some sox-foo to remove left channe`
`23:26.28`	`DocScrutinizer`	`try arecord -vv`
`23:26.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or -vvv`
`23:26.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`to get a stereo VU meter`
`23:26.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`you'll be able to tell`
`23:27.11`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: or just save it to file?`
`23:27.13`	`DocScrutinizer`	`there's alsa plugins to do this as well`
`23:27.15`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, iirc I used both left and right`
`23:27.19`	`TAsn`	`to record the same thing.`
`23:27.26`	`TAsn`	`just look in the audio subsystem wiki page`
`23:27.35`	`mmontour`	`IIRC there's an ADC mixer control that feeds one analog input to both digital channels`
`23:27.35`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: but i hear only from right speaker`
`23:27.50`	`TAsn`	`lindi-, I could be wrong ;]`
`23:28.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mmontour: here we're talkng DAC`
`23:28.05`	`TAsn`	`again, I don't remember. ;]`
`23:28.08`	`mmontour`	`OK, never mind then`
`23:28.10`	`TAsn`	`I'm just speculating.`
`23:28.18`	`TAsn`	`anyhow I'm off for about 15 mins`
`23:28.20`	`lindi-`	`:)`
`23:28.23`	`TAsn`	`and then I'll go to sleep ;]`
`23:28.32`	`lindi-`	`would be interesting to know how large latency this setup has`
`23:28.38`	`TAsn`	`(i.e will come for less than a minute to check how you are doing)`
`23:28.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nah, nevermind`
`23:29.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lindi-: you're recording two channels, so you need to route GSM to both inputs`
`23:30.16`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or you setup ADC to sample one input for both channels`
`23:30.33`	`lindi-`	`not sure if http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Callrec.txt does that`
`23:30.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or you use a ALSA plugin to split one channel to two`
`23:30.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or you use sox`
`23:30.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-D`
`23:31.05`	`lindi-`	`lots of options is why i like free software :)`
`23:32.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`(callrec.txt) sorry too much controls to check them now, I'm about to leave for a last beer ;-)`
`23:32.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I'll look into it later`
`23:33.02`	`lindi-`	`no problem`
`23:33.06`	`DocScrutinizer`	`cya`
`23:34.15`	`lindi-`	`hmm, kernel panic during call :)`
`23:34.35`	`lindi-`	`calypso probably did not hang up it :)`
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`23:35.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yeah, the "GAU"`
`23:36.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`i relly would like to see some sorta watchdog for calypso`
`23:37.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`so modem goes onhook if there's a keepalive missing from userspace`
`23:37.41`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/msg0001.wav is what the other side heard when i tried to send audio from usb to gsm`
`23:38.29`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm what's it like. can't listen to it now from nokia pad ;D`
`23:38.58`	`lindi-`	`DocScrutinizer: sounds quite odd, won't recognize it as speech`
`23:39.06`	`lindi-`	`it's not 100% noise either though`
`23:39.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm`
`23:39.22`	`lindi-`	`log is full of Mar 16 01:36:11 ginger kernel: [68091.625000] frame 0 active: -114`
`23:39.31`	`DocScrutinizer`	`prolly some conversation error then`
`23:40.31`	`DocScrutinizer`	`compare arecord and aplay parameters`
`23:40.59`	`lindi-`	`that'll have to wait till tomorrow`
`23:41.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`btw this arec pipe aplay will introduce quite some delay most likely`
`23:41.22`	`lindi-`	`but for the record i first started arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - > recording.raw`
`23:41.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`k, cya`
`23:41.29`	`lindi-`	`and then tried arecord -D usb -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 \| sox -t raw -r 48000 -s -b 16 -c 1 - -t raw -r 48000 -s -b 16 -c 2 - \| aplay -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2`
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`23:42.42`	`TAsn`	`do you get a lot of overruns?`
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`23:43.32`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: didn't have time to read logs since it rebooted`
`23:43.51`	`TAsn`	`not logs, I meant what arecord pipes to stderr`
`23:43.59`	`TAsn`	`s/pipes/writes/`
`23:44.05`	`TAsn`	`is tired.`
`23:44.36`	`lindi-`	`TAsn: i was in different screen window when it crashed`
`23:44.48`	`TAsn`	`sucks. ;\`
`23:45.17`	`TAsn`	`well I think it's time for me to go.`
`23:45.27`	`TAsn`	`I'm up in 6 hrs.`
`23:45.30`	`TAsn`	`it's time to get some sleep`
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