| 00:00.20 | SeligArkin | ...... How... how can this be *that* broken... |
| 00:00.54 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: are you using any reasonably recent kernel btw? Because wifi in .24 works significantly worse than .28 and .29. |
| 00:01.21 | SeligArkin | theres the problem |
| 00:01.44 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: you're wrong. There're lots of problems with OM ;) |
| 00:02.10 | SeligArkin | I installed 2008.12 maybe I should not have... |
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| 00:02.56 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: it's unsupported and doesn't seem to have any future. It's basically Qtopia ported to X and it doesn't look like community has much interest in it. |
| 00:03.07 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 00:03.08 | mwester | Doesn't matter what you install. You just end up with different manifestations of the fundamental brokenness. |
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| 00:04.19 | mwester | It's like looking into the dark -- doesn't matter which pair of glasses you use, it's still pretty much dark. |
| 00:04.30 | SeligArkin | depressing... |
| 00:04.47 | PaulFert` | mwester: btw, i was just practicing for 2-3 hours the smt rework on some old hdd board. ;) |
| 00:05.07 | mwester | "There is no dark side of the moon, really... As a matter of fact, its _all_ dark" |
| 00:05.13 | mwester | Pink Floyd |
| 00:05.42 | mmontour | SeligArkin: you're only at the "beginner" stages of brokenness. Eventually you'll be hitting stuff like http://www.pastebin.ca/1360310 |
| 00:05.48 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: still newer software versions have workarounds that make it usable for many people. |
| 00:06.35 | PaulFert` | mmontour: what kernel version is that? |
| 00:07.09 | mmontour | recent andy-tracking... |
| 00:08.50 | PaulFert` | mmontour: hm, i hope Werner will fix it really soon if it's reproducible. |
| 00:08.50 | fredrin | SeligArkin: shr looks promising though |
| 00:08.55 | max_posedon | mmontour, very funny links, thanks, you make me happy) |
| 00:09.55 | mmontour | Looks like 1e257a0e99817a338e3706708ebb5036518e46d8. I just hit it (and now I can't ping my FR), but I'll try to reproduce it later tonight and file a proper report |
| 00:10.03 | SeligArkin | gets the rootfs and kernel for shr |
| 00:10.18 | SeligArkin | I get the distinct feeling I will be mucking around with low-level stuff on this |
| 00:10.20 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: and don't forget to try Debian too ;) |
| 00:11.10 | fredrin | SeligArkin: have a debian/hackable1 on the uSD card |
| 00:11.24 | mmontour | I was playing around with g_file_storage instead of the g_ether module, so this probably isn't something that will affect a lot of users. 'ifconfig eth0' worked OK earlier on this kernel. |
| 00:11.33 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: in case you're feeling adventurous, go SHR unstable. You'll always have the most recent FSO framework and will be able to follow the development ;) |
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| 00:12.05 | SeligArkin | well its offical, my old phone is bricked, soI think I might have some motivation to make this work out. :P |
| 00:13.46 | mwester | predicts that a gta02 will soon end up thrown against the wall in frustration after the owner misses the n'th phone call because of a malfunction, and her freinds vow never to call again because of the horrible buzz. |
| 00:15.21 | SeligArkin | is the buzz able to be heard on both ends? |
| 00:15.51 | PaulFert` | hopes SeligArkin's friends are more tolerant and will try to understand why she is using a phone with issues. |
| 00:16.02 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: only on the other side, you'll never hear it. |
| 00:16.07 | SeligArkin | ah |
| 00:16.23 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: also it depends on the transmit power and frequency. |
| 00:18.30 | Bane^ | my friends don't complain about it. they're probably used to going "WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY?" for the whole phone call with me |
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| 00:19.59 | mmontour | GSM buzz is not an Openmoko-only problem. I sometimes hear it from my friend's Motorola Razr |
| 00:20.59 | PaulFert` | Bane^: it looks like the guys who prepared alsa state files were too afraid to properly feed the mic signal to calypso (so AGC kicks in) because they were trying to avoid echo. As now we more or less know how to solve echo problems in a more acceptable way, it's probably worth trying to tweak alsa controls to provide a stronger mic signal. |
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| 00:24.52 | SeligArkin | I think I am going to put debian on it.. |
| 00:26.06 | SeligArkin | dies laughing |
| 00:26.13 | SeligArkin | If you think the previous options are quite slow on Freerunner try Links2. |
| 00:26.17 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: what is your plan wrt buzz fix? |
| 00:26.34 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: depends how bad my friends and family say it is |
| 00:26.45 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: how complex is the 'fix'? |
| 00:27.25 | SeligArkin | cause I can't sauder for shit. :P |
| 00:27.35 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: but it depends on where you're apparently. You might be happy until you go to some special place where it will suddenly become so horrible you won't be able to talk. |
| 00:28.02 | mjr | on the used gsm frequency, apparently |
| 00:28.33 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: replace one 0402 R (in an "easy" place) and add one really big cap (easy). Judge for yourself. |
| 00:28.43 | PaulFert` | mjr: that too, sure. |
| 00:29.29 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
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| 00:30.04 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I make balls of the melting material atleast a centimeter big whenever I try to do it. :P |
| 00:30.12 | SeligArkin | (The word escapes me) |
| 00:30.33 | SeligArkin | hardware is not my thing. >.> |
| 00:30.35 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: a cm big? An unusual ability, i'd say ;) |
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| 00:31.41 | SeligArkin | a rather useless one if going into electronics |
| 00:31.48 | SeligArkin | which is why I backed off back into hardware |
| 00:31.53 | SeligArkin | erm |
| 00:31.58 | SeligArkin | software |
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| 00:32.36 | SeligArkin | so does debian need 1.5GB of space, also? :P |
| 00:32.42 | SeligArkin | That's gentoo's requirements |
| 00:32.49 | mjr | nope |
| 00:33.14 | mjr | Last I checked it (barely) installed on the half-gigger. You do want more though. |
| 00:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: you found out about version of your new phone by now? |
| 00:33.35 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer: is there a software way to check? |
| 00:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 00:33.51 | SeligArkin | or is it somewhere where i don't have to rip the phone apart? |
| 00:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 00:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | you had to open two screws and lift a lid at least |
| 00:35.32 | SeligArkin | ah i don't have that kind of screw-driver |
| 00:35.33 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: at least you should do cat /proc/cpuinfo first |
| 00:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah it's not that common in not so phone-afine households |
| 00:35.39 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: so you'll know an approximation of version (Revision:) |
| 00:36.12 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: i carefully used a regular flat screwdriver to open my FR. |
| 00:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | duh, amazing |
| 00:37.11 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: also try cat /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-version/neo1973-version.0/pcb |
| 00:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you incidentally found one that *exactly* matched the diameter of the torx star |
| 00:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if at least debubo comes with tx6-driver |
| 00:39.19 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: at least it worth trying in case you're careful even if there's no exact match. I doubt one can accidently damage a screw with a flat screwdriver so badly it'll be hard to use a proper torx after that. |
| 00:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 00:40.15 | SeligArkin | ermmm |
| 00:40.39 | SeligArkin | will I be able to cat that from debian, PaulFert`? |
| 00:40.41 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision |
| 00:40.49 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: from whatever |
| 00:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | anyway a flat driver with a 1.2mm blade isn't whats commonly called a "standard" one ;) |
| 00:42.00 | PaulFert` | Agree. Probably the one i used was with badly overused sides |
| 00:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | sudo? ;D |
| 00:42.43 | PaulFert` | nah, cpuinfo is 444 |
| 00:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 00:43.49 | SeligArkin | hmm, why can i only start the phone when the usb is pluged in... |
| 00:44.44 | mmontour | SeligArkin: low battery? |
| 00:45.08 | SeligArkin | revision 0360 |
| 00:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | no battery? |
| 00:45.11 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 00:45.22 | mwester | bad battery? |
| 00:45.25 | SeligArkin | ... DOH |
| 00:45.32 | SeligArkin | I could have sworn I put the battery back in! |
| 00:45.38 | SeligArkin | Fail. :( |
| 00:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 00:46.19 | mmontour | had a GTA01 battery go bad - it puffed up so much that it wouldn't fit in the phone any more |
| 00:46.40 | mwester | I've heard that a few people have had the puffy-battery-syndrome |
| 00:47.01 | SeligArkin | interesting... "the qpe process vanished. This is bad" |
| 00:47.13 | mwester | yes, it is bad. :-) |
| 00:47.34 | SeligArkin | I love when programs tell you bad news with some humor |
| 00:47.52 | mwester | be better if they told you what to do about it! :D |
| 00:48.01 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: qtopia-derived distro detected. This is bad :p |
| 00:48.08 | SeligArkin | yeah... |
| 00:48.16 | SeligArkin | kills it for debian |
| 00:48.21 | PaulFert` | Yay |
| 00:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 00:48.37 | SeligArkin | whats the worse that can- *ZZZZZZZRRRRRRRTT* |
| 00:48.38 | SeligArkin | Oh shi... |
| 00:49.20 | SeligArkin | </joke> |
| 00:55.50 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: btw, have you tried to do some tests to find proper alsa mixer settings so calypso's AGC will work as expected? |
| 00:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 00:56.19 | PaulFert` | Are you going to? ;) |
| 00:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 00:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | costs a lot of calling minutes that noone will pay for :-/ |
| 00:57.36 | max_posedon_ | openmoko community do all kike maths people, if task have a solution, and all know that solution is present |
| 00:57.38 | PaulFert` | Yep :( |
| 00:57.46 | max_posedon_ | nobody wants solve it) |
| 00:57.54 | max_posedon_ | *like* |
| 00:57.55 | PaulFert` | max_posedon_++ |
| 00:58.17 | PaulFert` | max_posedon_: i sometimes really feel exactly like that |
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| 01:02.30 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: calls from the fixed line to mobile cost ~0.05$ here, so i can do some tests. I just want to do it properly, and don't know how yet. |
| 01:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'll think about it |
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| 01:07.30 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: another approach is to try to understand what kind of signal calypso expects as an input and tune the mixer accordingly (looks like there's no TP even for MICIP, MICIN! One can solder to C301[81] instead, but still...) |
| 01:10.28 | SeligArkin | does a little dance |
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| 01:15.25 | PaulFert` | Oh, well. Sleep time for me (again). Enjoy the weekend, see you :) |
| 01:16.44 | SeligArkin | Its ammazing how hopeless you are without the internets |
| 01:17.07 | mjr | I am? |
| 01:17.10 | mjr | Well, yes, I am. |
| 01:17.46 | SeligArkin | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:18.27 | SeligArkin | bacon! |
| 01:29.33 | SeligArkin | ok, how do I let the freerunner use my laptop as a router... |
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| 02:05.45 | SeligArkin | HAHA! |
| 02:05.53 | SeligArkin | Take that wpa_supplicant! |
| 02:05.59 | SeligArkin | I learned how to do it on my oen! |
| 02:06.06 | SeligArkin | now, for the bacon! |
| 02:06.10 | slaxxin | how come gtick terminates on me at opkg? |
| 02:06.40 | slaxxin | post it for us on paste.bin |
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| 02:07.27 | SeligArkin | I just did iwconfig eth0 essid "theEssid"; dhclient eth0 |
| 02:07.40 | SeligArkin | and, that made the button get pressed, which gave me BACON |
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| 02:14.34 | SeligArkin | interesting |
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| 02:34.02 | fredrin | SeligArkin: what? |
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| 02:35.35 | SeligArkin | fredrin: I am having trouble getting the phone to connect to the outside world |
| 02:35.42 | SeligArkin | I thought I had it... but it was a lie |
| 02:36.04 | fredrin | SeligArkin: have you setup usb-networking on your laptop computer? |
| 02:36.25 | fredrin | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:36.57 | fredrin | sometimes its problems with dns |
| 02:38.31 | SeligArkin | nope, can't even ping outside the network |
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| 02:45.40 | fredrin | SeligArkin: what can you ping? |
| 02:46.06 | fredrin | what does /etc/network/interfaces look like on your laptop? |
| 02:46.45 | SeligArkin | I had the usb0 thing they sugest, but it was killing my laptop somehw |
| 02:52.39 | SeligArkin | tries adding it again |
| 02:53.08 | fredrin | many diffrent version to do the usb0 thingy |
| 02:53.17 | fredrin | depending on distro and how you want it |
| 02:53.49 | fredrin | teh joy of open source and choices |
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| 02:59.56 | SeligArkin | grrrr |
| 03:00.25 | SeligArkin | interesting |
| 03:00.29 | SeligArkin | I can ping inside the network |
| 03:00.46 | SeligArkin | but if I ping 208.67.222.222 the packets go byebye |
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| 03:07.38 | mmontour | SeligArkin: read the "USB Networking" wiki page if you haven't already done so |
| 03:07.45 | SeligArkin | looking through now |
| 03:07.58 | SeligArkin | and I can ssh to the neo |
| 03:08.05 | SeligArkin | and the neo can ssh to my laptop |
| 03:08.19 | SeligArkin | but when I try to leave my network,it goes LALALALA I DONT HEAR YOU |
| 03:09.23 | mmontour | Probably something to do with a default gateway, ip_forward sysctl, or NAT configuration on the laptop |
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| 03:10.56 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 03:11.06 | SeligArkin | or its my half-broken wifi |
| 03:11.14 | SeligArkin | I think I am going to flash to SHR |
| 03:11.49 | SeligArkin | because 2008.12 is horrible |
| 03:13.18 | mmontour | If you have a wifi connection from the Freerunner to a router then you should use that as your path to the Internet, not the USB network |
| 03:14.20 | mmontour | has not tried SHR or 2008.12 so can't advise there |
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| 03:19.23 | SeligArkin | mmontour: how do I tell it to not use it as a path, I know I saw it somewhere but I can't find it again |
| 03:20.31 | mmontour | The command is "route". "route -n" will show the current settings. The default route is the "0.0.0.0" entry |
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| 03:32.24 | SeligArkin | grah |
| 03:43.31 | SeligArkin | mmontour: what do you use? |
| 03:45.21 | mmontour | I'm not a good example - my rootfs resembles fso-unstable but I've got a lot of other packages installed. I also don't have it working as a phone at the moment, because I'm more interested in hacking on lower-level stuff |
| 03:46.02 | mmontour | But in the past, I was able to do networking over wifi with a fairly standard wpa_supplicant+dhcp configuration |
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| 03:58.39 | SeligArkin | .... Innntttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeresting///// |
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| 04:14.44 | SeligArkin | ... HATE... |
| 04:15.10 | SeligArkin | I flashed SHR onto it... now it won't even act as a usbnet... |
| 04:16.12 | mmontour | Did you update your kernel as well? Could be a kernel/modules mismatch |
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| 04:58.16 | billk | SeligArkin: or more likely you need to reboot after the first boot for setup to complete ... |
| 04:58.26 | SeligArkin | yeah I realised that |
| 04:58.33 | SeligArkin | though it still isn't working... |
| 04:58.42 | SeligArkin | meh I will mess with it in the morning |
| 04:58.46 | SeligArkin | too much fucking drams |
| 04:58.49 | SeligArkin | drama happen tonight |
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| 06:50.01 | dufflebunk | I'm having a problem with dfu-util, it doesn't list anything when run with -l. It used to work, but I updated a lot of stuff... anyone know what I may have done to break it? |
| 06:52.36 | dufflebunk | ah, might be that I don't have /proc/bus/usb working. |
| 06:53.14 | dufflebunk | nope. It's mounted now and -l still shows nothing. |
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| 08:13.00 | rhkfin | slaxxin: solved the gtick-thing? |
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| 08:39.58 | Dave | :o |
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| 09:45.43 | Bert_2 | Hi, I just want to congratulate the SHR devs with their latest unstable release as it fixed all my previous issue, thank you guys !!! |
| 09:49.03 | fredrin | good night |
| 09:49.22 | fredrin | i'm fucked |
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| 10:09.04 | rhkfin | If you know people working at Openmoko, please add here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/People |
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| 10:11.35 | raster | rhkfin: harry tai has left |
| 10:11.39 | raster | and jorg too |
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| 10:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: I'm on "unlimited holiday", not 100% left OM |
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| 10:27.22 | geaaru | hi, i installed an 8gb minisd card on my nep1973 |
| 10:27.32 | geaaru | but at boot when i try to do mmcinit |
| 10:27.37 | geaaru | i have this message: |
| 10:27.45 | geaaru | ===============> MMC CMD Timeout |
| 10:27.50 | geaaru | mmc_block_read: err SDIDSTA=0x00000020 |
| 10:27.52 | geaaru | .. |
| 10:27.54 | tomboy64 | geaaru, the neo1973 won't work with sdhc-cards |
| 10:28.05 | tomboy64 | only freerunner can eat those |
| 10:28.36 | tomboy64 | e.g. anything over 4gb is a no-go on the neo1973 |
| 10:28.44 | geaaru | but if i start with flash... card is see correctly |
| 10:29.00 | tomboy64 | are you sure you have the neo1973? |
| 10:29.04 | geaaru | yes :) |
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| 10:29.08 | tomboy64 | and not the freerunner? |
| 10:29.16 | tomboy64 | then maybe update u-boot? |
| 10:29.22 | geaaru | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 10:31.06 | geaaru | i have a partition of 50MB, 1 with 3500MB and another partition |
| 10:31.14 | geaaru | i never update u-boot |
| 10:32.07 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: raster is there something wrong with the management/leadership in OM - I have the feeling that relatively many people are leaving/left the company..? |
| 10:32.50 | raster | rhkfin: i think i've said my bits on this before :) |
| 10:33.44 | rhkfin | ok :) |
| 10:34.04 | rhkfin | must have missed it but I guess it's somewhere in the ml archives .) |
| 10:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | isn't inclined to comment on this. "doesn't compute - input missing" |
| 10:35.11 | rhkfin | thought so .) |
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| 10:43.58 | shellevil | tom: I thinky you're confused |
| 10:44.04 | shellevil | tom: SDHC is over 2G |
| 10:44.23 | shellevil | I have a 4G in my neo1973, and it works just fine |
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| 10:49.41 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm in SHR and I was thinking about the menu, is it possible to put directories with more icon in the enlightenment interface (cause I have too many icon anfd I want to do something about that, put them in directories per category for exampl). So is that possible and if so, how ? |
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| 10:55.28 | geaaru | i confirm, if i boot from flash i see my 8gb minisd card |
| 10:55.34 | geaaru | on neo1973 |
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| 10:56.49 | max_posedon | In this case you can boot kernel only from nand, but no problem have rootfs on minisd card |
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| 10:59.51 | geaaru | ok, i will try to use minisd only as rootfs, but kernel partition of flash it is small :'(... thanks for reply |
| 11:01.43 | jlmoko | geaaru: you can use kexec for a biger kernel :) |
| 11:03.23 | tomboy64 | sdhc is >4gb |
| 11:03.33 | tomboy64 | and old firmware versions don't support it |
| 11:03.47 | tomboy64 | shellevil, please, check with the wikis |
| 11:04.44 | tomboy64 | sdhc >=4gb, pardon me |
| 11:05.05 | geaaru | tomboy64: firmware version of the bootloeder? |
| 11:05.16 | tomboy64 | geaaru, of u-boot |
| 11:05.55 | geaaru | but so, if boot is done from flash, neo can see sdhc <=8gb |
| 11:05.57 | tomboy64 | SDHC and SD should both work in a FreeRunner if you have u-boot from 2008-07-23 or later. |
| 11:05.58 | geaaru | ? |
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| 11:06.11 | tomboy64 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 11:06.46 | tomboy64 | so? |
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| 11:07.04 | geaaru | because i use a neo1973 i can see correctly a 8gb sdhc (not boot from sd) |
| 11:07.25 | tomboy64 | you might be able to boot with a more recent firmware |
| 11:07.31 | SpeedEvil | sdhc is >=2G |
| 11:09.07 | starox | geaaru: u-boot don't support sdhc (at last stable version, I didn't try other branch) |
| 11:09.58 | starox | on the neo1973 |
| 11:10.19 | geaaru | ok ok, i understand, but i don't know if i will update u-boot because if there are problems i can't use yet my neo :'( |
| 11:10.29 | geaaru | right? |
| 11:11.17 | SpeedEvil | geaaru: unless you get it unbricked by someonme with a debug board. |
| 11:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | geaaru: you'd need debug board |
| 11:11.42 | geaaru | i know but i haven't it :'( |
| 11:11.45 | xcasex | SpeedEvil: how are you, you old dog ;D |
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| 11:12.36 | starox | geaaru: personally I don't think that upgrading u-boot is harmfull, but it won't resolv the problem of sdhc boot. |
| 11:12.38 | SpeedEvil | Or who is willing to desolder the flash from their running gta01, solder it into yours, boot yours, desolder the flash from the one to be repaired, resolder a new one, reflash, and reinstall donor flash in original gta01. This is almost as easy as using the debug board. |
| 11:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | geaaru: where U located? |
| 11:13.00 | geaaru | italy (turin) |
| 11:13.01 | geaaru | :) |
| 11:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | geaaru: recently I heard about debubo for giveaway, maybe on buzzfix parties |
| 11:13.56 | SpeedEvil | wishes the channel could help with his GTA01 problems. |
| 11:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Mainly 'where is my USB lead' |
| 11:14.20 | starox | SpeedEvil: I'm working on sdhc support on u-boot :) I have the same issue :) |
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| 11:14.56 | starox | There is an old patch on mailing list for this. It works for card detection, but I can't read sector for the moment |
| 11:15.46 | starox | And I agree, using debug board is as easy as solder/resolder flash :p |
| 11:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | geaaru: anyway there's enough debubo-owners in Germany at least, who undoubtly would debrick your 1973 if you send by mail or sth |
| 11:16.03 | SpeedEvil | (that was partially a comment on the flex-cable) |
| 11:17.51 | SpeedEvil | starox: don't forget sdxc |
| 11:17.56 | geaaru | :) thank you very much for support. |
| 11:18.00 | starox | arf :) |
| 11:18.33 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: isn't the flash in GTA01 embedded in the processor too? |
| 11:18.46 | starox | Wonka: I was thinking the same |
| 11:19.02 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: I think it's a seperate chip |
| 11:19.12 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: it's a dual chip on the fr |
| 11:19.27 | Wonka | uh... |
| 11:19.33 | SpeedEvil | I could be wrong. It's happened before. 1992 I think it was. |
| 11:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | :D |
| 11:20.09 | Wonka | but still, finding someone with a suitable debugboard should be easier than finding someone with such soldering skills |
| 11:20.23 | SpeedEvil | of course. :) |
| 11:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: that's been evil kidding |
| 11:20.42 | SpeedEvil | I should probably mention that the above would likely not work. |
| 11:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | s/ev/speedev/ |
| 11:21.35 | Wonka | lol |
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| 11:21.45 | Wonka | eeevil speedo |
| 11:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | actually using debubo isn't any difficult for people used to playing mikado or good at wrist watch repair :-) |
| 11:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | a little harder for steelworkers ;) |
| 11:25.49 | Wonka | or bricklayers |
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| 11:26.45 | starox | Hmmm and compiling skills to find a working version of openocd :) |
| 11:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | lol, bricklayers prone to brick Neo |
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| 11:28.35 | Wonka | bricked neo layers |
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| 11:36.33 | Bert_2 | does anyone know a better wifi manager than mofi that runs on shr ? |
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| 12:05.50 | rhkfin | Found my stylus again :D |
| 12:05.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:12.22 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 12:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | everybody, how may spare bat cells vame with your stylus? |
| 12:24.56 | SpeedEvil | none, as far as I recall |
| 12:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/ay/any/ |
| 12:25.30 | SpeedEvil | I think it has 3 or 4 cells |
| 12:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | oh, you didn't get the stylus can then? |
| 12:25.53 | SpeedEvil | yes, I did |
| 12:25.59 | SpeedEvil | I just don't recall any cells in it |
| 12:26.15 | SpeedEvil | This could be failing memory though |
| 12:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | seems there's 3 spare cells, but 4 inside sylus :D |
| 12:27.15 | SpeedEvil | ebay has all sorts of cells cheap |
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| 12:30.49 | Bert_2 | I have the feeling that alsa isn't running on SHR-unstable, how can I verify that ? |
| 12:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: still it's funny |
| 12:33.41 | SpeedEvil | yeah. the cells are _way_ overdrawn as they are asked to provide stupid current. So to get any battery life at all, you need quite a big resistor to cope with the voltage variation |
| 12:33.46 | Bert_2 | Why doesn't SHR-lite have alsa-server installed, isn't it required to have sound ? |
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| 12:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 12:34.46 | SpeedEvil | has a 10180 cell for a silly torch - it's the most power out I can find in that form. |
| 12:34.59 | SpeedEvil | (10mm dia*18mm) |
| 12:36.06 | SpeedEvil | (To replace a tritium keychain. A li-ion cell, a half watt LED, a tiny solar panel, in a 14mm*30mm transparent case. Recharges by high power LED beam, or sunlight. |
| 12:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | tritium o.O |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | fusion-powered ;D ? |
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| 12:42.36 | tomboy64 | what do i need libusb/usbutils for? |
| 12:42.45 | tomboy64 | is both for usb-networking required? |
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| 12:51.55 | mmp | hello; I'm using stable -stable kernel (Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc2 #1 PREEMPT Fri Mar 13 17:12:12 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown) and using ar6000 driver, but after modprobe-ing, I can't see the wireless interface |
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| 12:52.15 | Bert_2 | is alsa broken in SHR ? |
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| 13:33.10 | Defiant- | uhm...is that normal that network over usb does not work after booting with Qi? |
| 13:33.26 | Defiant- | usb0 is up on both, desktop and freerunner |
| 13:33.42 | rhkfin | Defiant-: try eth1 on desktop |
| 13:33.50 | rhkfin | oh, no, never mind. |
| 13:34.04 | rhkfin | Have you started & restarted it after flashing? |
| 13:34.15 | Defiant- | yes, started 3 times |
| 13:34.29 | rhkfin | ok.. don't know.. |
| 13:34.55 | Defiant- | just flashed uboot => connection works |
| 13:36.54 | rhkfin | weird |
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| 13:43.35 | rhkfin | found his lost 512MB µSD :) |
| 13:45.39 | Defiant- | no ideas? |
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| 14:19.39 | rhkfin | INST_MIRROR=http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian QI=true SINGLE_PART=true ./install.sh all |
| 14:19.48 | rhkfin | But still it tries to format swap partition |
| 14:20.00 | rhkfin | to /dev/mmcblk0p2 that doesn't exist.. |
| 14:20.01 | rhkfin | tips? |
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| 14:24.54 | lindi- | rhkfin: got url to the install.sh? |
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| 14:25.51 | rhkfin | lindi-: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh |
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| 14:32.37 | lindi- | rhkfin: here's a patch http://paste.nerv.fi/73356782.txt |
| 14:33.32 | rhkfin | lindi-: I'll try.. |
| 14:33.47 | lindi- | rhkfin: sent also pkg-fso-maint mailing list |
| 14:33.54 | rhkfin | great :) |
| 14:34.28 | rhkfin | yep, got past where it got stuck earlier. Kudo! |
| 14:34.32 | rhkfin | kudos.. |
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| 14:49.20 | write__erase | Hi... any idea what's the endianness on openmoko GTA02 plateform ? |
| 14:49.37 | max_posedon | little |
| 14:50.06 | write__erase | great thx |
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| 15:05.14 | geaaru | hi, i upgrade u-boot |
| 15:05.25 | geaaru | to version dec-17 2008 |
| 15:05.44 | Zorkman | congratz :p |
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| 15:06.07 | geaaru | but when i try to call mmcinit |
| 15:06.20 | geaaru | i have always same error :'( |
| 15:06.25 | geaaru | ===============> MMC CMD Timeout |
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| 15:07.15 | geaaru | is there a version that support 8gb minisd for neo1973 |
| 15:07.48 | Zorkman | i have a uboot from august i think, and that supports it... |
| 15:07.59 | Zorkman | (i think you mean microSD btw) |
| 15:08.13 | Zorkman | there is a table with known microsd cards that work on the gta02 |
| 15:08.21 | Zorkman | don't know anything about the neo1973 |
| 15:09.46 | geaaru | but i think that is a problem with bootloader |
| 15:10.02 | geaaru | because if i boot from flash i see minisd |
| 15:10.43 | geaaru | where i can found uboot of august? |
| 15:10.55 | geaaru | can you supply me link, please? |
| 15:11.33 | Zorkman | geaaru: i don't have one, i'm sorry |
| 15:11.46 | Zorkman | you could also ask in #openmoko-cdevel, they are more technically skilled than i am |
| 15:11.57 | geaaru | ok, i try |
| 15:11.59 | Dave | :D |
| 15:12.06 | geaaru | thanks |
| 15:12.24 | Zorkman | geaaru: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is onie from november |
| 15:12.31 | Zorkman | but i doubt it will improve you situation... |
| 15:12.44 | geaaru | thank you very much |
| 15:13.41 | Zorkman | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/Om2007.11/images/neo1973/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.0+git20071201+svnr3484-r0.bin ; a u-boot for the gta01b4 from 2007 :) |
| 15:13.53 | Zorkman | btw: the first link is for GTA02 |
| 15:13.59 | Zorkman | not neo1973 |
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| 15:16.37 | geaaru | mmm... i download u-boot from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ |
| 15:17.01 | geaaru | probably is newer of your link to 2007.12 tree |
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| 15:17.15 | henk | geaaru: what do you need uboot for? |
| 15:17.53 | geaaru | to start neo1973 from minisd(8gb) |
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| 15:19.16 | tig| | well this is progress |
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| 15:20.52 | tig| | I am typing this on my freerunner connected via wifi and using my bluetooth keyboard :) |
| 15:21.27 | geaaru | but my problems are relative to a bug of the u-boot or other? |
| 15:22.28 | mwester | The problem is probably u-boot, but it is also probably not so much a bug as it is that the u-boot in the neo1973 was not designed to handle the timing your card requires. |
| 15:22.51 | mwester | It's probably also not going to get fixed, as nobody is working on u-boot anymore on any of the devices. |
| 15:23.32 | mwester | The correct solution is probably to boot a minimal kernel from NAND flash, and use that kernel to kexec the real kernel from the uSD card. |
| 15:23.42 | mwester | But that software system/image has not been completed yet. |
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| 15:31.27 | SeligArkin | ... I think SHR broke usb... |
| 15:31.36 | SeligArkin | it is not recognised as a device at all now |
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| 15:33.20 | tig| | SeligArkin: is thisafter using mofi by any chance? |
| 15:33.35 | henk | or wicd |
| 15:33.53 | SeligArkin | no, just default shr install |
| 15:34.03 | mwester | reboot |
| 15:34.14 | tig| | yep try a reboot |
| 15:34.44 | tig| | the first install of any image seems to play up until its first reboot |
| 15:35.24 | tig| | I have installed a fresh install of shr testing here today and usb is working fine:) |
| 15:35.38 | tig| | posting from it now :P |
| 15:35.48 | Dave | TIG |
| 15:35.53 | tig| | DAVE |
| 15:36.31 | tig| | Dave my freerunner is usable for mobile irc! |
| 15:36.39 | Dave | hah! |
| 15:36.47 | Dave | yeah, I used to IM and IRC from it |
| 15:36.49 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 15:36.54 | Dave | but it was really just for novelty |
| 15:36.59 | Dave | and got old quite fast |
| 15:36.59 | tig| | still crap as a phone mind:) |
| 15:37.03 | Dave | :D |
| 15:37.08 | SeligArkin | as long as I can ssh using it,I can use IRC device. :P |
| 15:37.17 | SeligArkin | first I need to get internets woking on it |
| 15:37.31 | tig| | I have a bluetooth keyboard though which makes a big difference :) |
| 15:37.51 | Dave | I wish I had a nice one :( |
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| 15:38.13 | SeligArkin | Woot |
| 15:38.37 | tig| | I have even checked google mail on it using minimo which is a metric arseload better than midori |
| 15:38.49 | tig| | even via https too |
| 15:40.04 | rhkfin | tig|: but slow.. It's nice that it supports ssl and all other stuff, for example gmail works nice, but sloooooooooow (and not developed any more ./ |
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| 15:40.25 | Dave | haha |
| 15:40.30 | Dave | yeah midori unfortunately blows :P |
| 15:40.38 | tig| | yeah it is not that quick but i can't even get to gmail on midori |
| 15:40.46 | rhkfin | Dave: please contribute here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review |
| 15:41.05 | SeligArkin | flashing red AUX = kernel panic, right?> |
| 15:41.06 | geaaru | mwester: k, thank for reply |
| 15:41.07 | rhkfin | oh.. tig| I meant.. Both of you :) |
| 15:41.11 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: right |
| 15:41.18 | SeligArkin | whoopsie |
| 15:42.06 | Dave | Sir, yes sir! |
| 15:42.11 | tig| | hmm i wonder if i can get access to the pub's wifi |
| 15:42.22 | Dave | GOOD LUCK |
| 15:42.29 | Dave | Don't cause any meltdowns in the process ;) |
| 15:42.43 | tig| | oh i will just ask for the key |
| 15:43.06 | Dave | huhu |
| 15:43.13 | Dave | what is this, neopwn? ;) |
| 15:43.26 | tig| | if i can't i will have to extend my wlan about 150 meters or so |
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| 15:44.27 | SeligArkin | ohh |
| 15:44.34 | SeligArkin | shr has a prettyer shell |
| 15:46.01 | mwester | MMmmmmmmmm MMmMMmmmmm mmmmm! |
| 15:46.15 | SeligArkin | <3 sshfs |
| 15:46.33 | mwester | successfully avoid actually saying anything bad about colored text. |
| 15:46.49 | SeligArkin | <3 pretty colours |
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| 15:48.47 | SeligArkin | ... fail |
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| 15:53.06 | SeligArkin | pokes eth0 |
| 15:53.15 | SeligArkin | whysononexistant? |
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| 15:57.30 | SeligArkin | Hmm... |
| 15:57.39 | SeligArkin | question |
| 15:57.48 | SeligArkin | is wpa_supplicant on the shr working? |
| 15:57.49 | SeligArkin | bssid / frequency / signal level / flags / ssid |
| 15:57.49 | SeligArkin | 00:0f:66:91:c6:c52462201 |
| 15:58.06 | SeligArkin | ^^ notice it shows no SSID |
| 15:58.24 | SeligArkin | or is that because it is hidden.. |
| 15:58.40 | SeligArkin | on my laptop it shows as <hidden> if it is hidden |
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| 16:00.44 | geaaru | from download section what is file gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin? |
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| 16:04.02 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 16:04.10 | SeligArkin | I got internets to work over usb |
| 16:04.27 | SeligArkin | now to get wifi working so I can connect without using the laptop |
| 16:06.56 | SeligArkin | ... you can connect to hidden networks on the open moko... right? |
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| 16:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: seems you made kinda progress :))) |
| 16:17.17 | SeligArkin | indeed |
| 16:17.24 | SeligArkin | I just wish I could get wifi to find my network |
| 16:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a few hours of sleep sometimes change things drastically |
| 16:18.13 | SeligArkin | looks if you can tell wpa_supplicant to connect by bssid |
| 16:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: wifi has some nasty gotchas AFAIK |
| 16:18.23 | SeligArkin | then on to my next project, finding a better keyboard |
| 16:18.37 | SeligArkin | so I can actualyuse the terminal from the phone |
| 16:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | wpa-supplicant for sure is nasty |
| 16:19.04 | tig| | not sure mofi does hidden networks |
| 16:19.11 | SeligArkin | not using mofi |
| 16:19.24 | SeligArkin | using /etc/network/interfaces + wpa_supplicant |
| 16:19.28 | SeligArkin | more flexibility |
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| 16:20.21 | henk | SeligArkin: tried qwo? or are you talking about HW keyboard? |
| 16:20.29 | SeligArkin | softkeyboard |
| 16:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, /me got a silicone keyboard. *very* soft |
| 16:21.32 | SeligArkin | stabs it |
| 16:21.36 | SeligArkin | connect you pos |
| 16:22.11 | SeligArkin | ... |
| 16:22.21 | SeligArkin | wpa_cli <=> wpa_supplicant connection is shit |
| 16:22.24 | henk | SeligArkin: ok, qwo is nice :) |
| 16:22.26 | SeligArkin | it keeps disconnecting... |
| 16:22.30 | henk | SeligArkin: try wpagui |
| 16:23.52 | SeligArkin | It keeps saying it found scan results... |
| 16:23.55 | SeligArkin | but is not connecting |
| 16:23.58 | SeligArkin | intregueing |
| 16:24.44 | SeligArkin | O-o |
| 16:25.08 | SeligArkin | ok then, on the laptop, if it finds a hidden network, it notices it is hidden,and tries to get it's name |
| 16:25.16 | SeligArkin | on the open moko,it just leaves the name as null |
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| 16:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | hidden ESSID is a very special case, even in "robust network-clients" |
| 16:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | as there's no way to "get the name", you just have to try to associate by applying the right name by "yourself" |
| 16:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | which is considered a mild security issue |
| 16:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | at least if done nadvertedly |
| 16:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | as your network-manager had to try all know ESSIDs against all hidden networks n vicinity |
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| 16:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | also hiding network name is nonsense basically, as everybody can find out as soon as a client is associated -> the name is sent by the other client, so "hacker" could find out easily |
| 16:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | in the end, due to all those reasons, it's deprecated to hide ESSID |
| 16:32.48 | mwester | Yep. Best description I've heard for that is that a hidden SSID is like a closing your office door at work -- there's no security at all; it's just a way of saying to the world that you'd prefer nobody enter. |
| 16:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: I prefer names like "Virus Detected!" |
| 16:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | XD |
| 16:36.10 | Wonka | i've seen "localhorst" |
| 16:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:37.19 | Wonka | and many other more or less funny names |
| 16:37.20 | Wonka | one could try for buffer overflows... |
| 16:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | "<default>" is nasty |
| 16:37.20 | Wonka | "RoamAbout Default Network Name" |
| 16:37.24 | Wonka | "<none>" |
| 16:37.32 | SeligArkin | It stops just plain old idiots walking by from connecting, which is what I am worried about,really |
| 16:37.53 | henk | we all know the 'fritzbox' right? |
| 16:38.05 | henk | but did you know there is a 'horst box'? |
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| 16:38.06 | henk | :-p |
| 16:38.10 | Wonka | henk: d-link. |
| 16:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: nothing stops an idiot from connecting, except decent encryption |
| 16:38.34 | DerHorst | I would like to have one... |
| 16:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | henk: yup I know. Too expensive |
| 16:38.48 | henk | i was actually rofling when i saw it... |
| 16:38.52 | Wonka | http://www.d-link.de/?go=gNTyP9CgrdFOIC4AStFCF834mptYKO9ZTdvhLPG3yV3oVox7haltbNlwaaFp6DQoHDruzidK/4gAAw== |
| 16:38.53 | doc|home | stabs d-link |
| 16:39.05 | mwester | "The problem with idiot-proofing is that the idiots are so d**m ingenious!" (my electronics lab instructor in college) |
| 16:39.14 | SeligArkin | interesting.. |
| 16:39.19 | Wonka | henk: the name obviously is a pun on Fritz!BOX |
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| 16:39.43 | Wonka | mwester: build a foolproof system and only fools will want to use it |
| 16:39.53 | mwester | that's good too! |
| 16:39.59 | Wonka | mwester: invent a foolproof system and the world will invent a better fool |
| 16:40.15 | mwester | :-D We have one, we elected him. |
| 16:40.17 | henk | Wonka: i guess that's why i think it's so funny 'g' |
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| 16:40.32 | henk | mwester: twice. or are you talking about another fool? |
| 16:40.39 | Wonka | my next toy will be this: http://ubnt.com/products/rspro.php |
| 16:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | Programmers try to create better more foolproof systems. Universe creates better fools. |
| 16:40.48 | mwester | I'm from Illinois -- we have the best politicians money can buy! |
| 16:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | universe wins |
| 16:41.40 | mwester | In Illinois, governers serve two terms. The second one behind bars. |
| 16:41.44 | Wonka | and also, i will try to couple CologneChip XHFC to PC by USB, using an atmel uC maybe. |
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| 16:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: FTDI chip offers 16IO IIRC |
| 16:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | or was it 24 even |
| 16:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: you could use a debugboard ;) |
| 16:47.56 | doc|home | so, what's peoples' opinions of the pre? |
| 16:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | curses MAEMO random unannounced reboots |
| 16:47.59 | SeligArkin | puts debian on her flash card |
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| 16:48.27 | SeligArkin | hmm, the install.sh failed |
| 16:50.12 | SeligArkin | do do do lokoing out my front door |
| 16:51.34 | henk | SeligArkin: manually run the stage that fails and continue with the next |
| 16:51.48 | SeligArkin | henk: thats what I did |
| 16:52.03 | henk | ah good |
| 16:52.03 | SeligArkin | running now |
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| 16:55.03 | SeligArkin | sings |
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| 16:55.16 | Defiant- | oh noo please don't |
| 16:55.50 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: i want to develop a generic USB ISDN interface |
| 16:56.21 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: and misdn drivers for it |
| 16:56.55 | SeligArkin | Wonka: I want to be a world-class whore, will you pay for the SRS? |
| 16:56.58 | SeligArkin | ;P |
| 16:58.42 | SeligArkin | Yay, I scared someone off! :O |
| 17:00.13 | lindi- | Wonka: as a usb gadget device? |
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| 17:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 17:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: where's the podcast? ;-) |
| 17:07.06 | SeligArkin | huh? |
| 17:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-03-14 17:55:03] * SeligArkin sings |
| 17:07.33 | SeligArkin | hehe |
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| 17:09.02 | SeligArkin | watches install.sh go |
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| 18:27.13 | SeligArkin | fails @ installing |
| 18:27.42 | SeligArkin | I defiantlydid something wrong |
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| 18:29.36 | SeligArkin | staresat Poisson |
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| 18:34.16 | dufflebunk | I'm having a problem with dfu-util, it doesn't list anything when run with -l. It used to work, but I updated a lot of stuff... anyone know what I may have done to break it? |
| 18:38.21 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: can it be a faulty cable problem? |
| 18:38.48 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: And check with lsusb (and dmesg logs) that the device is really there before starting dfu-util. |
| 18:40.03 | dufflebunk | It's listed in /proc/bus/usb/decides |
| 18:40.17 | SeligArkin | ... wtg |
| 18:40.19 | SeligArkin | wtf* |
| 18:40.33 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: and what is the lsusb output for that device? |
| 18:42.21 | dufflebunk | hun, weird. lsusb doesn't show anything but my mouse. |
| 18:43.26 | dufflebunk | I wonder why it would show up in /proc/bus/usb/devices but not lsusb |
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| 18:46.57 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: probably can't be enumerated? Have you looked at your dmesg? |
| 18:47.40 | dufflebunk | Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 29 |
| 18:47.44 | dufflebunk | Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 18:47.46 | dufflebunk | Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] cdc_acm 4-1:1.0: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. |
| 18:47.50 | dufflebunk | Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] cdc_acm 4-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 18:47.54 | dufflebunk | that's what I get in the syslog |
| 18:48.49 | SeligArkin | ... WTF |
| 18:49.02 | SeligArkin | I had wifi working, now it is pretending the device doesn't exist again! |
| 18:49.07 | SeligArkin | sakjfsdagnskjadnjksanfkjvasncvfjdsnvhskjfahsklfjahsdkjfhsadkjfhsakdjfhadsf |
| 18:49.53 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: you rebooted and frameworkd disables wifi automatically on boot. |
| 18:49.58 | Dave | :o |
| 18:50.11 | Dave | offers SeligArkin the red pill |
| 18:50.13 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: looks good. Is it the last line about this device? |
| 18:51.01 | SeligArkin | isis there a short & sweet commandI can use to bring it back on,or am I going to have to do that loooong dbus command? |
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| 18:51.19 | dufflebunk | PaulFert`: Yes. All four lines show up each time I boot to the boot menu |
| 18:51.37 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: i guess shr settings has a button for that. Or just wrap the looong command in an alias/script. |
| 18:52.03 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: four lines and nothing more? Hm, i'd expect to see it in lsusb output then... |
| 18:52.41 | SeligArkin | makes a wifi script like the one she has for her laptop |
| 18:53.03 | dufflebunk | Nothing more until it turns off, then there a disconnect line. |
| 18:53.49 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: looks like an issue with your host... |
| 18:54.09 | SeligArkin | where should I be sending these scripts, /sbin/ /bin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/sbin etc etc |
| 18:54.12 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: btw, is /dev/ttyACM0 actually available after you see that? |
| 18:54.56 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: i'd put it in /usr/local/sbin or bin (depending on the script contents) or even in ~/bin |
| 18:55.04 | dufflebunk | Yes, it's there. |
| 18:55.21 | SeligArkin | for my laptop I have my custom scripts in ~/Scripts |
| 18:55.23 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: and you can actually communicate with u-boot? |
| 18:55.25 | SeligArkin | I think I will put it there |
| 18:56.02 | dufflebunk | PaulFert`: using socat or something? |
| 18:56.28 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: or minicom or picoterm or whatever terminal emulator you like. |
| 18:56.57 | lindi- | picocom |
| 18:59.13 | Wonka | lindi-: hm, don't know... there are hfc usb devices on the market, i think i'd try to use that interface if possible |
| 18:59.41 | lindi- | Wonka: but you are trying to make freerunner look like an usb isdn device to PC? |
| 18:59.48 | Wonka | lindi-: no. |
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| 19:01.47 | Wonka | lindi-: my usb isdn idea is actually offtopic here... |
| 19:01.56 | lindi- | Wonka: what are you trying to do then? ;) |
| 19:02.03 | lindi- | Wonka: i'm generally interested in usb |
| 19:05.43 | Wonka | lindi-: i haven't really looked very far into it... i want to connect one of these http://www.colognechip.com/isdn/controllers/frame-xhfc-2su.htm to a PC, using an Atmel uC |
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| 19:06.36 | Wonka | lindi-: there are Atmels that can speak USB protocol in software... |
| 19:07.19 | dufflebunk | PaulFert`: Yes, I get a GTA02v5 # prompt when I connect |
| 19:07.48 | SeligArkin | ok... how do I get my new debian to boot... |
| 19:07.51 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: cool, so the usb communication works, but lsusb and dfu-util fails. Still looks like a host issue. |
| 19:08.21 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: it depends on the way you're trying to do that and on the point where you fail. |
| 19:08.36 | lindi- | Wonka: yep |
| 19:08.38 | SeligArkin | finished the install.sh and rebooted, it just goes back into the flash |
| 19:08.48 | SeligArkin | or should I have killed the flash? |
| 19:09.01 | SeligArkin | loads toxic.so |
| 19:09.11 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: or should you have read the instructions carefully? Or should you have used u-boot menu to choose "boot from uSD"? ;) |
| 19:09.45 | SeligArkin | It says an error |
| 19:09.57 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: or in case you're using Qi probably you didn't supply the necessary argument to install.sh script. |
| 19:10.01 | dufflebunk | PaulFert`: yes it does. Any idea what might be going wrong? My mouse shows up, so it's not entirely broken. |
| 19:10.19 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 19:10.34 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: who says an error? |
| 19:10.38 | SeligArkin | uboot |
| 19:10.58 | SeligArkin | and Qi is booting the flash, from what I understand it tries the sd card first |
| 19:11.09 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: are you using the NAND u-boot updated to the latest version? |
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| 19:11.34 | SeligArkin | gets the feeling she will need to re-do the install... |
| 19:11.43 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: for Qi to boot Debian, there should be a kernel appropriately named at an appropriate path on your uSD rootfs partition. |
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| 19:12.52 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: don't you consider that it's probably better to understand the issues instead of trying strange tricks in hope to avoid them? |
| 19:13.17 | SeligArkin | >.> |
| 19:13.31 | Dave | -_- |
| 19:14.05 | mwester | (what's >.> ?) |
| 19:14.28 | mwester | and what's -_- ? And ~_~ just annoys the bot. |
| 19:14.40 | mwester | is irc-challenged. |
| 19:16.00 | Dave | teehee |
| 19:16.15 | bumbl | ~_~ |
| 19:16.16 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:16.18 | SeligArkin | does the install.sh have to be run from the phone, or can I do it from my laptop for fasterness |
| 19:16.19 | bumbl | :p |
| 19:16.38 | lindi- | SeligArkin: phone |
| 19:16.42 | SeligArkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.45 | lindi- | SeligArkin: you can debootstrap --foreign too |
| 19:16.59 | SeligArkin | flails her arms and smacks her head into the wall |
| 19:17.06 | lindi- | SeligArkin: have you read install.sh? |
| 19:17.11 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: try to look at the last post here: http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?p=33679 |
| 19:17.45 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: why do you think you need to rerun install.sh? |
| 19:18.00 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: can you actually get the kernel to boot? If not, then why? |
| 19:18.46 | Dave | comforts seligarkin |
| 19:21.27 | dufflebunk | PaulFert`: that mount command worked. It still doesn't show up in lsusb properly (although the ID shows up now), but dfu-util works. |
| 19:21.50 | PaulFert` | dufflebunk: nice to hear |
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| 19:26.35 | dufflebunk | waits for fyp to finish upliading |
| 19:27.11 | lindi- | dufflebunk: you developing it? |
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| 19:28.43 | dufflebunk | No, I'm trying it |
| 19:32.26 | mmontour | SeligArkin: the Qi wiki page has a note about Debian, saying that it puts the kernel in an unexpected place and that you need to create a symlink |
| 19:33.08 | Dave | Mmontour! |
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| 19:33.58 | PaulFert` | mmontour: actually it was fixed long time ago, but one needs to supply an additional parameter to install.sh, afaik. |
| 19:34.32 | PaulFert` | mmontour: anyway, it's damn easy to cope the kernel to the right place for Qi to find it, so it's a non-issue. |
| 19:35.35 | PaulFert` | lindi-: still fyp guys don't want to cooperate in a sane way? |
| 19:35.45 | lindi- | PaulFert`: i don't know, i would have asked |
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| 19:36.41 | PaulFert` | lindi-: i mean, you read the debian lists and #openmoko-debian channel. If they never show up there, then it means they should be ignored probably, don't you think so? |
| 19:37.22 | lindi- | PaulFert`: no need to ignore, i haven't heard of them, would like to talk |
| 19:38.12 | PaulFert` | lindi-: i've heard they're using a web-forum to coordinate, probably their brains are foobared ;) |
| 19:39.49 | SeligArkin | tip: it helps to take a second to stop and think |
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| 19:44.13 | SeligArkin | ... |
| 19:44.22 | SeligArkin | pokes debian |
| 19:44.35 | SeligArkin | Why is it eth3 now? |
| 19:45.41 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: it's your udev (on host) doing that, i guess. |
| 19:48.21 | Dave | pets seligarkin |
| 19:52.50 | mmontour | PaulFert`: I just looked at "install.sh". It looks like the parameter you mentioned is a "QI=true" environment variable. |
| 19:53.56 | PaulFert` | mmontour: yes :) And there were some reports that it works properly :) |
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| 19:55.20 | mmontour | Now we just need someone to update the openmoko wiki in the appropriate places to tell users about that parameter |
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| 19:57.26 | PaulFert` | mmontour: isn't it obvious from the help output and especially from the script source. I installed debian with Qi when this script didn't have any Qi support at all. It was naturally to look at it before trying to run and obvious what steps should be skipped and what performed manually. That is a really simple script after all. |
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| 20:07.24 | mmontour | 's definition of "really simple script" differs from PaulFert`'s. 1353 lines, 18 env vars, and 7 command-line options put it beyond the "simple" category |
| 20:07.55 | mmontour | The help does explain it, but a simple mention of the "QI=true" parameter on the Qi wiki page might save new users a lot of time |
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| 20:12.21 | dufflebunk | *sigh* Fyp sms doesn't work :( oh well, back to FSO |
| 20:16.42 | SeligArkin | ... |
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| 20:17.06 | SeligArkin | pokes sshfs and then the phone |
| 20:21.40 | Dave | watch out! |
| 20:21.52 | Dave | DO NOT ANGER THE PHONE! D: |
| 20:23.30 | starox_ | \o/ sdhc on u-boot works on gta01 ( need more testing though) |
| 20:23.52 | mmontour | nice! |
| 20:24.15 | mmontour | Send me a link and I'll try it with a 4G card |
| 20:25.08 | Dave | 16gb works on my gta02 :p |
| 20:26.22 | knguyen | oh really... nice one |
| 20:26.37 | knguyen | is there any 16GB microsd class 6 yet? |
| 20:26.40 | fredrin | mmmm, 16GB |
| 20:26.52 | knguyen | i know there is 8GB class 6 |
| 20:27.03 | knguyen | but not sure about 16GB one.... |
| 20:27.05 | Dave | I'm still trying to get 32gb sd to work on gta02 |
| 20:27.10 | Dave | comfortably ;) |
| 20:27.13 | starox_ | mmontour: http://www.starox.org/pub/openmoko/u-boot/u-boot.udfu |
| 20:27.25 | Dave | not that you really need it :p |
| 20:28.21 | knguyen | is there any limit on capacity of external memory that can be attached to usb? |
| 20:29.18 | Dave | other than the SSD limit? |
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| 20:43.42 | SeligArkin | innnteresting |
| 20:44.08 | SeligArkin | I think eiter X or the unlock program locked up |
| 20:44.40 | SeligArkin | which is quite ironic |
| 20:44.47 | SeligArkin | not X |
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| 20:45.51 | bernt | Dave: 32GB micro or not micro SD? |
| 20:47.23 | Dave | regular SD |
| 20:47.30 | Dave | but hey, it's still good! |
| 20:47.41 | Dave | even if it doesn't quite fit in the form factor ;) |
| 20:48.45 | bernt | but having the rootfs hanging on a short cable is not so funny or? ;-) |
| 20:48.55 | mmontour | starox_: http://www.pastebin.ca/1360914 |
| 20:49.24 | SeligArkin | bernt: it's all the rage these days |
| 20:49.32 | SeligArkin | extra points if it has a fire painted on it |
| 20:49.39 | mmontour | The basic SDHC stuff seems to be working, but only 1 of the 2 partitions on that card was visible from u-boot |
| 20:49.51 | Dave | mmontour, correct |
| 20:50.38 | mjr | knguyen, I'm relatively sure there's _some_ pretty high limit to the usb mass storage spec, but I doubt that'll become a practical limit especially with usb 1 (as in FR), and if it does, well, the devices will just have to use some other or an extended protocol, usb doesn't exactly limit it itself |
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| 20:54.21 | starox_ | mmontour: thanks ! It works for me with a vfat on partition1 and ext2 on partition2, can you try to read p1 then p2 then p1 again and tell me if it works the second time ? |
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| 20:57.28 | mmontour | I repartitioned the card to make p1 smaller (in case there was a 2G limit somewhere). Now I can't 'ext2ls' either of the partitions (doesn't help if I try the command a second time) |
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| 21:00.38 | nio_ | Okeydokey, time to do something about my sweet Freerunner. Been far too lazy about it, which is a shame, because there's so much things I could do with the thing. |
| 21:01.20 | starox_ | mmontour: okay, I will try to catch the bug. There is no 2g limit (my sd is partitionned as 3,5g/0,5) |
| 21:01.24 | SeligArkin | stabs debian |
| 21:01.31 | SeligArkin | let me mount you using sshfs |
| 21:01.34 | nio_ | Beginning with choosing a distro, almost need dice to pick one by now.. :) |
| 21:01.36 | SeligArkin | >:O |
| 21:01.42 | henk | mmontour: did you create a filesystem? |
| 21:02.06 | henk | SeligArkin: what sshd are you running? |
| 21:02.08 | mmontour | henk: Yes, ext3 filesystems with a couple of test files |
| 21:02.56 | SeligArkin | henk: the default one for debian |
| 21:05.27 | SeligArkin | flails |
| 21:06.32 | Dave | sends SeligArkin SIGTRANQ |
| 21:07.22 | henk | SeligArkin: dropbear doesn't support that ootb afaik. you'll need openssh... |
| 21:07.43 | starox_ | mmontour: I have bugs too (fatls need to be executed twice) : http://www.pastebin.ca/1360931 |
| 21:08.37 | henk | SeligArkin: http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/replacing-openssh-with-dropbear/ |
| 21:08.52 | tomboy64 | henk, ootb? |
| 21:08.58 | SeligArkin | henk: I was able to do it under sHR |
| 21:08.58 | henk | tomboy64: out of the box |
| 21:09.06 | tomboy64 | hm |
| 21:09.10 | SeligArkin | erm |
| 21:09.14 | SeligArkin | sorry |
| 21:09.14 | tomboy64 | why shouldn't it? |
| 21:09.23 | SeligArkin | its just scp on sterioids |
| 21:10.17 | tomboy64 | exactly |
| 21:10.22 | tomboy64 | quite handy even |
| 21:10.33 | tomboy64 | wuvs his dropbear |
| 21:10.42 | SeligArkin | indeed |
| 21:10.45 | SeligArkin | very helpful |
| 21:10.56 | Dave | :) |
| 21:11.16 | SeligArkin | I can use my nicely setup vim on my laptop to edit stuff easily |
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| 21:11.24 | henk | doesn't like steroids... |
| 21:11.25 | Dave | hugs vim |
| 21:11.29 | Dave | henk: ROIDS |
| 21:11.34 | Dave | yeah... scary :p |
| 21:11.48 | mmontour | starox_: good luck debugging it. It would be nice to have SDHC on gta01, although I am probably going to switch my '01 to qi soon |
| 21:11.59 | Dave | just the thought of a dropbear eviscerating me is scary enough... the steroids certainly don't help :P |
| 21:12.33 | SeligArkin | .... |
| 21:12.37 | SeligArkin | ping: command not found |
| 21:12.42 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:12.48 | Dave | /sbin/ping? |
| 21:13.01 | SeligArkin | no such file or directory |
| 21:13.03 | SeligArkin | O_O |
| 21:13.06 | Dave | wah wah |
| 21:13.13 | tomboy64 | wtf? |
| 21:13.28 | Dave | /bin/ping ? |
| 21:13.31 | Dave | also wtf :D |
| 21:13.51 | SeligArkin | ... i am going to cry if ping is a seperate package in debian for the openmoko |
| 21:13.56 | SeligArkin | thats just... wrong... |
| 21:14.01 | Dave | totally |
| 21:14.13 | Dave | readies a tissue box |
| 21:14.28 | SeligArkin | stares |
| 21:14.36 | henk | what's wrong about it? |
| 21:14.45 | SeligArkin | ITS A BASIC NETWORK COMMAND! |
| 21:14.46 | Dave | careful henk |
| 21:14.48 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 21:14.50 | Dave | TOO LATE |
| 21:14.56 | Dave | you have incurred the wrath of selig |
| 21:14.59 | Dave | :D |
| 21:15.05 | SeligArkin | That's like not including cat! |
| 21:15.19 | SeligArkin | vkfjnadkljfnas dvflaskjcnhjkadsfasdf |
| 21:15.23 | henk | huh? what's wrong about not including cat? |
| 21:15.33 | SeligArkin | sends a virus to henk |
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| 21:15.51 | SeligArkin | and I can't apt-get... |
| 21:15.53 | Dave | zcats henk |
| 21:16.34 | Dave | henk, het is dwaas ;p |
| 21:16.56 | henk | cuts Dave |
| 21:17.13 | SeligArkin | ok... |
| 21:17.20 | SeligArkin | it doesn't come with nano or vim... |
| 21:17.25 | Dave | >:O |
| 21:17.26 | SeligArkin | or pico |
| 21:17.33 | Dave | Selig: this is beyond failure |
| 21:17.42 | henk | SeligArkin: 'editor'? |
| 21:17.43 | SeligArkin | that I kinda understanding, considering it comes without a terminal also... |
| 21:17.49 | SeligArkin | ... |
| 21:17.52 | SeligArkin | ZUH!?!?! |
| 21:17.56 | henk | uhm? what did you install? |
| 21:18.07 | SeligArkin | editor brings up vim |
| 21:18.08 | Dave | selig, wtf did you install? |
| 21:18.09 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 21:18.15 | SeligArkin | vimbrings up vim: command not found |
| 21:18.18 | henk | have you tried 'vim' or 'vi'? |
| 21:18.24 | SeligArkin | strange |
| 21:18.27 | SeligArkin | makes symlinks |
| 21:18.33 | Dave | :D |
| 21:18.41 | henk | rather install a real vim... |
| 21:18.50 | henk | debian manages such links fine. |
| 21:19.14 | SeligArkin | ........................ |
| 21:20.05 | henk | SeligArkin: install 'vim', that gives you /usr/bin/vim.basic linked to /etc/alternatives/vim linked to /usr/bin/vim |
| 21:20.23 | Wonka | vim-tiny is my vim of choice on debian |
| 21:20.31 | SeligArkin | henk: I think I will focus on getting it setup to use the internets |
| 21:20.41 | SeligArkin | so I actualy *can* install stuff |
| 21:20.46 | henk | good idea :) |
| 21:21.03 | Dave | Indeed! |
| 21:21.13 | Dave | apt-get install sanity |
| 21:21.20 | SeligArkin | Sanity not found |
| 21:21.21 | Dave | * sanity not found |
| 21:21.33 | Dave | hugs selig |
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| 21:22.20 | Wonka | and ping is in package "iputils-ping" on every debian machine i cared to look at now (which were 2). there's also inetutils-ping. |
| 21:22.24 | starox_ | mmontour: qi is my next target. I read the source and I don't saw sdhc support |
| 21:22.39 | Wonka | and netkit-ping too |
| 21:23.07 | Dave | guh |
| 21:23.15 | Dave | virtual packages ftw |
| 21:23.27 | Wonka | so it's just expected, to me, that ping is not in netbase or net-tools |
| 21:23.55 | Dave | Wonka, you must be satisfied with python then :p |
| 21:24.02 | Wonka | ifupdown is another package, btw |
| 21:25.20 | Dave | yes -_- |
| 21:26.10 | SeligArkin | where is the documentation for enabling and disabling devices in the FSO standard thingy |
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| 21:42.26 | SeligArkin | I think I got wifi going |
| 21:43.32 | SeligArkin | ok, now to tell the thing to route through it |
| 21:45.58 | SeligArkin | \o/ |
| 21:46.02 | SeligArkin | I got wifi working |
| 21:48.06 | SeligArkin | woot |
| 21:48.10 | SeligArkin | I can ping now |
| 21:51.45 | fredrin | SeligArkin: how did you do it? |
| 21:52.19 | SeligArkin | fredrin: do what? |
| 21:52.28 | fredrin | get wifi going |
| 21:52.46 | SeligArkin | just need to enable it |
| 21:52.48 | SeligArkin | ;P |
| 21:53.22 | SeligArkin | this is under debiam though |
| 21:54.58 | starox_ | mmontour: I updated u-boot.dfu. Could you try it ? My neo don't bug again. |
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| 21:58.39 | SeligArkin | begins installing lxde as it looks like the nicest wm |
| 21:58.59 | SeligArkin | watches it download a clusetefrak of additional stuff |
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| 22:00.44 | SeligArkin | notes this is much better... |
| 22:01.02 | SeligArkin | I have a nice basic working system for me to expand on |
| 22:01.51 | mmontour | starox_: ok, I'll try it again |
| 22:03.48 | mmontour | SeligArkin: I suggest making a 'tar' backup of your current system. It might save time later if something gets messed up |
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| 22:08.44 | lindi- | mmontour: i prefer daily rsync backups |
| 22:11.27 | SeligArkin | looks for keyboad now |
| 22:12.19 | mmontour | starox_: no luck. ext2ls still showed nothing. I tried repartitioning to a single ext3 filesystem and that also didn't work. |
| 22:12.36 | SeligArkin | going to use qwo, with fbpanel, under matchbox,I think |
| 22:12.40 | SeligArkin | continues looking into it |
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| 22:13.48 | SeligArkin | no... |
| 22:14.12 | SeligArkin | I need a keyboard that looks like a normal one with esc and control keys also |
| 22:15.06 | henk | SeligArkin: xvkbd? |
| 22:15.09 | lindi- | SeligArkin: just edit the layout? |
| 22:15.26 | lindi- | SeligArkin: you can make matchbox-keyboard look like that. you can also make xvkbd look like that |
| 22:15.43 | SeligArkin | ahha |
| 22:15.54 | SeligArkin | matchbox-keyboard will work |
| 22:15.54 | henk | SeligArkin: i try to use qwo, but have xvkbd as a backup... qwo is fine for most stuff though, for me. |
| 22:16.19 | lindi- | xvkbd is quite nice but i'd like to have more programmable keyboard |
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| 22:18.41 | starox_ | mmontour: sad :( It works here. What card you have ? I'm testing on a toshiba. |
| 22:19.17 | starox_ | (and may I ask you how you quit screen ... I use ctrl-a K, but I guess it's the wrong way :) |
| 22:20.03 | SeligArkin | woot |
| 22:20.16 | SeligArkin | on from mai phone |
| 22:20.49 | SeligArkin | now... |
| 22:21.18 | Dave | :D |
| 22:21.22 | Dave | kinky |
| 22:21.56 | SeligArkin | hehe dirty boy |
| 22:22.00 | Dave | haha |
| 22:22.07 | Dave | let me bust out mine, and we can mokochat ;p |
| 22:22.16 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 22:22.31 | SeligArkin | cant find colan\\\ |
| 22:22.33 | Dave | moko2moku |
| 22:22.48 | Dave | YOU'RE MISSING A COLON? |
| 22:22.56 | SeligArkin | yes |
| 22:23.16 | SeligArkin | :P found it |
| 22:23.54 | SeligArkin | now to really tst the wifi... |
| 22:24.22 | SeligArkin | unplugs from laptop |
| 22:24.25 | SeligArkin | yay |
| 22:24.34 | mmontour | starox_: The card is a "Patriot" (don't know the model number), and I use ctrl-a k to quit from 'screen' |
| 22:25.48 | SeligArkin | cant use a;t + letter/number to switch sadly |
| 22:25.54 | SeligArkin | oh well |
| 22:26.07 | Dave | :D |
| 22:26.18 | Dave | yeah well |
| 22:26.35 | Dave | be thankful for what DOES work and what you've got :P |
| 22:28.41 | SeligArkin | hehe |
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| 22:29.11 | SeligArkin | i was checking the comparispons of distros |
| 22:29.27 | Dave | haha |
| 22:29.30 | Dave | oh yeah? ;) |
| 22:29.33 | Dave | What'd you learn? |
| 22:29.34 | SeligArkin | and debian had the most green |
| 22:29.52 | SeligArkin | so i fixeded it |
| 22:30.03 | Dave | hehe |
| 22:30.18 | mwester | Yes, it has been noted that whomever put that grid together was just "a bit" biased. |
| 22:30.30 | SeligArkin | and now i have it just how i want it so far |
| 22:30.59 | SeligArkin | goes back to laptop |
| 22:31.12 | Dave | Selig, have you seen http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes yet? ;) |
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| 22:34.49 | SeligArkin | I am going to stop messing with it for a bit. |
| 22:34.59 | SeligArkin | I have it how I want it so far, andI don't want my mood ruined. >.> |
| 22:35.09 | Dave | concurs |
| 22:35.32 | SeligArkin | I need a mini keyboard fo rit though |
| 22:35.42 | SeligArkin | the touch screen is horrible as a keyboard |
| 22:35.54 | Dave | Yeah, some have nice tiny BT kbds |
| 22:35.59 | Dave | and yes, yes it is :) |
| 22:40.59 | SeligArkin | I jsut need to modity the panel to have a few less icons, and a way to switch windows |
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| 22:50.36 | rhkfin | What alsaconfig setting changes the speaker (the phone built-in, not the 'speaker-speaker' :) volume when on call? |
| 22:50.58 | rhkfin | alsamixer i mean |
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| 22:53.21 | SeligArkin | >.> |
| 22:53.31 | SeligArkin | I knew I should have given the phone to someone else for safe keeping |
| 22:53.40 | SeligArkin | I continues messing, and now fbpanel won't start |
| 22:53.44 | SeligArkin | plugs it back in |
| 22:54.21 | rhkfin | wonders how SeligArkin has time to actually do something on the phone from all this ircing :) |
| 22:54.41 | SeligArkin | rhkfin: I do both at the same time |
| 22:54.47 | SeligArkin | I am ircing from my laptop.:P |
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| 22:55.09 | rhkfin | :) |
| 22:55.23 | Wonka | i am sometimes ircing from and hacking on my FR simultaneously |
| 22:56.34 | SeligArkin | now... |
| 22:58.20 | tomboy64 | will i need libusb/usbutils for usb-networking? |
| 22:58.23 | vininim | hey on shr, if a number or name doesn't show up in incoming call, it's only because of call-id supressed? |
| 22:58.45 | tomboy64 | vininim, in testing, yes |
| 22:58.59 | vininim | I can't believe that someone is ringing me with call-id supressed |
| 22:59.11 | SeligArkin | hmm thats a good idea |
| 22:59.19 | SeligArkin | tests that her phone can still be used as a phone |
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| 23:03.41 | SeligArkin | Whoever mentioned the buzz problem, my friendI have been using as a test subject says it'snot that bad. :P |
| 23:04.02 | SeligArkin | and I suspect it is a problem with wifi,because it goes BZZZZZZZZZZ when I go near my wireless router |
| 23:04.11 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: Disturbs but doesn't prevent |
| 23:04.46 | SeligArkin | goes off to customize some mroe |
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| 23:07.21 | SeligArkin | hmmm |
| 23:07.21 | mmontour | rkhfin: I think it's the alsamixer "Speaker" control |
| 23:07.31 | rhkfin | mmontour: thanks |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r55cd3a39601a 10/patches/elementary-header.patch: add elementary patch necessary to compile the vapi |
| 23:07.59 | mmontour | I knew all of that stuff for the 1973, but I haven't done much audio on the FR yet |
| 23:08.22 | SeligArkin | I need a way to switch windows... looks like the window switcher for fbpanel is no-go though... |
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| 23:09.39 | rhkfin | mmontour: hmm.. It's on 100%.. But how about the volume adjust in 2008.12 screen, when the call is active, how can I set the default value for it? |
| 23:10.50 | mmontour | Sorry, no idea about 2008.12. |
| 23:11.31 | rhkfin | ok |
| 23:11.45 | mmontour | You also have to consider the whole audio path - the overall gain will be the sum of the dB settings of each element that the signal goes through |
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| 23:12.08 | rhkfin | rigt |
| 23:12.11 | rhkfin | right |
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| 23:17.02 | SeligArkin | writes up a todo list |
| 23:17.05 | vininim | ``ARM support was dropped from Debian after the Debian 5.0 release (which coincided with the release of Emdebian Grip 1.0) and so there is no ARM support in squeeze or sid for Emdebian Grip and there will be no ARM support in Emdebian Grip 2.0.'' |
| 23:17.13 | vininim | ARM includes arm and armel? |
| 23:19.19 | SeligArkin | whats the current version of debian? |
| 23:20.49 | lindi- | vininim: no, arm includes arm |
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| 23:25.34 | rhkfin | has hf-incompatible ears.. |
| 23:26.51 | Dave | shit |
| 23:26.59 | Dave | soon you'll essentially have your own distro, selig :p |
| 23:34.11 | SeligArkin | Dave: indeed |
| 23:35.02 | SeligArkin | I justneed to get a keyboard that I can make show up with a simple button press |
| 23:35.20 | SeligArkin | untill I get my own keyboard |
| 23:35.36 | SeligArkin | well I do have one bt keyboard... but it's a full sized one |
| 23:36.00 | Dave | ;) |
| 23:36.11 | Dave | aww |
| 23:36.12 | Dave | yaeh |
| 23:36.17 | Dave | there are a few cute ones |
| 23:36.22 | Dave | I was jealous of a couple moko users |
| 23:36.25 | nio_ | oh wow. I just fell in love with MokoMaze. That is so awesome! :) |
| 23:36.44 | SeligArkin | hmmm |
| 23:37.01 | SeligArkin | I can't seem to get lxde to use matchbox. :( |
| 23:37.30 | SeligArkin | shame, I liked the look of it |
| 23:38.06 | SeligArkin | removes lxde for space |
| 23:38.38 | SeligArkin | I wonder ifI could get gnome-panel to work with matchbox |
| 23:39.11 | rhkfin | nio_: it's great, yes :) |
| 23:39.20 | rhkfin | Acceloroids is also cool :) |
| 23:41.17 | SeligArkin | Hmm |
| 23:41.30 | SeligArkin | gnome-panel can't be used |
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| 23:42.40 | SeligArkin | I also need to fix sshfs and make it not listen on wifi by default |
| 23:43.07 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: you running debian? |
| 23:43.13 | SeligArkin | yes |
| 23:43.19 | rhkfin | 'kay |
| 23:43.24 | SeligArkin | I am tinkering with stuff to make it work how I want atm |
| 23:43.39 | rhkfin | that's what people do most of the time :) |
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| 23:44.08 | Dave | :D |
| 23:44.11 | SeligArkin | once I get it.I am going to tar it and maybe offer it to the interwebs for comments and sugestions |
| 23:44.24 | Dave | giggles at selig |
| 23:44.35 | rhkfin | another 'distro' :) |
| 23:44.57 | SeligArkin | hardly, I just took debian and made it look how I want |
| 23:45.03 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 23:45.42 | rhkfin | That's what people do - and then they tell it's a new distro :) |
| 23:46.29 | SeligArkin | if it was another distro, I would have a seperate install type thing and packages. :P |
| 23:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: sidetone-playback-volume(cont.6) and speaker-playback-volume |
| 23:46.57 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: thanks, I'll try.. |
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| 23:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#using_phone-internal_microphone_and_speaker diagram green line, then keep in mind earpiece is connected to L/ROUT2 |
| 23:57.35 | rhkfin | uh.. thanks :) |
| 23:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem |