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| 00:14.56 | lindi- | swab_: xdpyinfo? |
| 00:18.24 | swab_ | lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/MDr29s61.html |
| 00:20.52 | lindi- | swab_: well, you can see right there that XCALIBRATE is not supported. |
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| 00:26.03 | swab_ | lindi-, ah ok, now i see it, sry.. can i enable it? or what exactly is it that would need to support it? the xserver? |
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| 00:26.58 | SeligArkin | you would need bacon... and likly to compile it yourself |
| 00:27.00 | lindi- | swab_: X server or some module of it |
| 00:27.49 | swab_ | ah, okay.. then i'll try to get a compiler working first :) |
| 00:34.26 | SeligArkin | what ever happen to the gentoo build for openmokok |
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| 01:01.29 | DaveLab | nuclear_eclipse |
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| 01:07.12 | DaveLab | haha, I hope rooly's having a good time :) |
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| 02:04.11 | slaxxin | fyp looks better |
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| 02:12.01 | SeligArkin | ok I hate thisphone now (My old 8525) |
| 02:12.38 | SeligArkin | the mail client is unuseable now |
| 02:16.52 | mwester | That's ok. You'll hate the Freerunner just as much soon. |
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| 02:17.10 | mwester | It has no mail client at all, by-the-way. |
| 02:17.26 | shellevil | telnet mail.your.isp pop3 |
| 02:18.03 | SeligArkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.12 | SeligArkin | I ment mail as in SMS also. ;P |
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| 02:53.28 | Dave | :P |
| 03:13.54 | SeligArkin | throws bacon to Dave |
| 03:19.03 | SeligArkin | Dave: here, have some toast |
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| 03:50.28 | Dave | :P |
| 03:50.38 | Dave | throws a smoldering freerunner in seligarkin's general direction |
| 03:59.18 | SeligArkin | :O |
| 03:59.31 | SeligArkin | WHat dId YOU DO TO MY pheoN1? |
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| 07:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: dunno, sorry |
| 07:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: nothing special anyway |
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| 08:16.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:44.06 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4959 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/2Msamsungsettingcomment.ini: Samsung's reference settings for UXGA (1600x1200). MCLK = 27 MHz. |
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| 08:59.57 | methril|work | morning |
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| 09:46.25 | laen | DAVE! |
| 09:46.53 | laen | What a fine day it is, having dave in the channel! |
| 09:47.56 | PaulFert` | laen, you're lucky, it's everyday for you |
| 09:50.08 | laen | Indeed! |
| 09:52.48 | Yan3z | Anyone have tried Qt Embedded 4.5 on Neo Freerunner? |
| 09:53.31 | tomboy64 | i tried the latest before they announced it being discontinues |
| 09:53.36 | tomboy64 | discontinued |
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| 09:55.55 | Yan3z | @tomboy64 not QtExtended, QtEmbedded |
| 09:59.42 | tig| | Is Dave actually about? |
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| 11:13.26 | tig| | is anyone else running the latest SHR testing images k:02032009 r:03032009 ? |
| 11:14.16 | tomboy64 | tig|, i keep regular updates |
| 11:14.18 | tomboy64 | why? |
| 11:16.55 | tig| | well I just flashed it, the kernel complains lots about hard links, then when E comes up it barfs and crashes with the white dialog box |
| 11:17.13 | tig| | I am just going to flash the kernel from unstable |
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| 11:17.29 | tig| | as the one in testing is def broken |
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| 11:20.57 | tig| | well I may as well reflash with unstable |
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| 13:14.34 | netti | howdy :-) |
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| 13:15.41 | netti | does anyone know how to get rid of that annoying buzzing-sound the the callee hears? |
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| 13:17.49 | netti | i found the bug described in the tracking system, but i simply cant believe that anyone would buy a phone that cant be used normally |
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| 13:18.34 | mwester | Neither can we. |
| 13:18.48 | netti | :-) |
| 13:18.59 | netti | at least the chat works |
| 13:19.21 | mwester | Yet, here everyone is, and most seem quite content with an almost-useless phone, and some are raving fanboi's who will tear your head off and feed it to you if you disparage the gta02. |
| 13:20.05 | leinir | Fun-fun, yes :) |
| 13:20.44 | nezza-_- | netti: YOU SAID SOMETHING AGAINST MY PHONE!!! DIE!!!! |
| 13:20.45 | mwester | Shortly someone will come along, and inform you that the wiki has instructions that tell you how to open up your phone, remove and modify the internal shielding, and solder to surface-mount components in order to fix the buzz. And if you complain that you lack equipment, the solution given to you will be to find someone in your community who can do that soldering. |
| 13:21.36 | PaulFert` | BTW, for the buzz fix no need to mess with the shielding ;) |
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| 13:21.50 | netti | alright alright - im deeply sorry, master |
| 13:21.53 | netti | :-) |
| 13:21.54 | mwester | And if you complain that your reseller should have some responsibility for such a repair, you will be directed to contact your reseller -- even though NOBODY has EVER reported a case where a reseller has actually fixed the phone. |
| 13:22.27 | PaulFert` | netti: the problem is hardware, can't be fixed that easily with apt-get upgrade unfortunately. And most buyers weren't aware of it, i guess. |
| 13:22.38 | mwester | Eventually you will join the majority of us here, who just hang around this channel in the lost hope that someday someone might have a real solution. |
| 13:23.43 | PaulFert` | Or the minority who has already impelmented the propesed fix and now the other party doesn't complain anymore. |
| 13:23.45 | mwester | BTW, there IS a solution that needs software, but few people seem interested in making it work -- Paul has done a lot of work close to that area, though. |
| 13:23.53 | mwester | That is getting bluetooth headsets to work. |
| 13:24.29 | mwester | doesn't understand why so few seem to own bluetooth headsets. |
| 13:25.12 | mwester | But a good bluetooth headset solves both the buzz and the echo problem, without requiring any surface-mount soldering or drilling and cutting. |
| 13:25.23 | mwester | (or so we have been told) |
| 13:26.10 | PaulFert` | mwester: my own bluetooth experiments were a failure because the headset i borrowed seems to be somehow not compatible with CSR chip inside the freerunner. I think shoragan is very close to integrating the bluetooth solution into framework. |
| 13:26.26 | mwester | I am eagerly awaiting. |
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| 13:27.44 | mwester | My problem is that I know a number of people who have access to world-class SMD equipment.... I'm here in Chicago near a very large company that does that sort of thing. But one can't just walk into one of their labs with an OpenMoko phone!! |
| 13:27.52 | PaulFert` | mwester: btw, do you know anything special about the echo that i'm unaware of? I've tried to experiment a bit and confirmed that the echo is caused by the case itself and that it's eliminated with %N0187 command for good. |
| 13:28.11 | mwester | %N0187 does not eliminate it in all cases. |
| 13:28.16 | mwester | just most. |
| 13:28.23 | PaulFert` | Which cases doesn't it cover? |
| 13:29.29 | mwester | If I could sort that down precisely, we might be able to see if other parameters can "tune" it away. |
| 13:30.00 | mwester | I still get complaints about "bits" of echos and strange artifacts in the conversation. |
| 13:30.17 | mwester | Enough to know that I could never use the phone for any business phone calls. |
| 13:30.37 | PaulFert` | BTW, are you interested in using a wired headset for listening and internal mic for speaking? I think it'll eliminate echo and you'll be able to turn off %N to eliminate artifacts. |
| 13:30.39 | mwester | But the far larger problem is the buzz. |
| 13:30.49 | mwester | which isn't solved by the wired. |
| 13:31.26 | mwester | But yes, that's how I know that the audio quality is the echo/%N thing -- it goes away with the wired headset. |
| 13:31.28 | PaulFert` | Buzz from the wire headset mic is not solved by any known rework, afaik. |
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| 13:32.35 | mwester | Ah - didn't know that. So even if I DO convince someone at said large company to rework one of my phones, I'd still buzz the ears off of someone on the other end if I used a wired headset. :( |
| 13:32.59 | PaulFert` | But after a rework you can use internal mic for speaking and headset for listening which will eliminate both buzz and echo. |
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| 13:33.18 | PaulFert` | Or just go bluetooth, yes. |
| 13:33.45 | mwester | :) I like bluetooth. It just makes me look weird, with that thing on my ear, but I'm ok with that. |
| 13:34.22 | mwester | Somebody, please, make bluetooth work, and then I can stop complaining about the uselessness of the phone part of the Om devices. |
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| 13:37.22 | PaulFert` | mwester: i wonder, is it really hard for you to find someone to do a rework or it's just you have no enough time/motivation to do it (or you think it's plain wrong to do it yourself)? |
| 13:39.06 | mwester | I lack the equipment -- I'm ancient, my soldering gear is not designed for SMD stuff. I am not willing to sink another several hundred dollars into soldering gear and supplies to add to the already significant amount of money I've spent on the Om devices and accessories and SIM cards. |
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| 13:39.34 | mwester | This is Chicago -- phone stores here do not solder. |
| 13:40.02 | mwester | You're lucky if the person at the counter knows anything more than how to swap the battery. |
| 13:40.28 | mwester | You cannot just walk into a service facility here -- they don't do business with end-consumers, only with other businesses. |
| 13:40.55 | mwester | So that means you need to find someone you know, who has access to a lab, and can do it for you, or add it to their order with a service facility of some sort. |
| 13:40.55 | PaulFert` | mwester: I think i should finally just try to take some piece of copper wire, sharpen it to make it flat screwdriver-like and use my old soldering iron to do rework on 0402 component. I'm sure it's possible without much trouble. |
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| 13:42.37 | mwester | PaulFert`: still, that misses the point for the vast majority of the purchasers of the phone -- I would be surprised if even half of them own a soldering iron of any sort. |
| 13:43.18 | PaulFert` | mwester: fully agree. Trisoft letter was very clear about all these problems. |
| 13:43.42 | PaulFert` | And about why and how OM-the-company sucks. |
| 13:44.21 | mwester | Which letter was that? The one to trisoft? |
| 13:44.50 | PaulFert` | The one with their reply (quoted). |
| 13:44.51 | mwester | The one ignored completely by Om. What a surprise. Sigh. |
| 13:46.02 | PaulFert` | mwester: subject: "Re: AW: Freerunner GSM Buzz fix, warranty and hopes..." |
| 13:46.13 | mwester | anyway, off to a meeting! later! |
| 13:46.19 | PaulFert` | Luck! |
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| 13:49.41 | StyleSheep | o_O |
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| 13:54.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: do you know if it is possible to automatically switch to usb host mode when a usb keyboard is inserted? |
| 13:55.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i mean, is there some way to figure that out automatically? |
| 13:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly, sorry |
| 13:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | basically ID pin of usb is supposed to distinguish between hostmode and device mode |
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| 13:56.30 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but i use the same cable in both cases ;) |
| 13:56.33 | PaulFert` | lindi-: btw, how's your 'sploiting project? |
| 13:56.39 | lindi- | PaulFert`: stuck |
| 13:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | then you're out of luck probably |
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| 13:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: compare usb2-otg specs |
| 13:57.54 | PaulFert` | lindi-: :( is it because of s3c-udc driver? |
| 13:58.01 | lindi- | PaulFert`: that and many other things |
| 13:58.24 | lindi- | PaulFert`: i have not figured out how to ACK zero-length control transfers with gadgetfs API |
| 13:59.07 | lindi- | might be better just to forget that for a while and move to kernel space |
| 14:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: in theory there are native ways to detect the pullup/down Rs on D+/- of usb and distinguish host and device. I'm not sure our SoC-usb1 interface can do this however |
| 14:01.02 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i could stay in device mode as long as charging works |
| 14:01.27 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: when charging stops to work i could start changing between host and device mode in 10 second intervals or something :) |
| 14:01.41 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and stop at hostmode if lsusb sees devices and stop at device mode if charging starts to work again |
| 14:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes |
| 14:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | except for y-cable that may be a workaround |
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| 14:04.20 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: now I only need to somehow get the 3G usb stick fit inside the case :PP |
| 14:04.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: at least would be nice if the usb cable did not stick out so badly |
| 14:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | put a hub inside as well, and contact it to some internal usb-lines ;) |
| 14:06.29 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: the bluetooth chip is connected to the "second usb port", right? |
| 14:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:07.12 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: so the hw is capable of talking-like-a-device to PC and talking-like-a-host to bluetooth at the same time |
| 14:07.20 | lindi- | right? |
| 14:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you're using separate physical interfaces |
| 14:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | you probably can't connect FR to a host-PC and a keyboard same time |
| 14:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | except if you sacrifice BT ;-) |
| 14:10.00 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: would be nice to have both usb ports exposed indeed |
| 14:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | or move BT to a hub |
| 14:10.16 | lindi- | but space is always a problem |
| 14:10.35 | lindi- | could have lived with a much larger phone. I used a communicator before this after all |
| 14:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | (space) add 8mm to device thickness |
| 14:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 14:12.12 | PaulFert` | I'd prefer a larger device too. |
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| 14:16.15 | johnsu01 | has no audio for phone calls anymore :( |
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| 14:21.19 | lindi- | johnsu01: sounds like alsa issue |
| 14:21.36 | lindi- | johnsu01: what if you restore gsmhandset.state during call? |
| 14:21.38 | johnsu01 | lindi-: yeah, I'm sure, just no idea what triggered it |
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| 14:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: messed around with alsactl store and mixer? |
| 14:24.19 | johnsu01 | I mean, I can do that, but that seems to beg the question |
| 14:24.34 | johnsu01 | what messed with the state and/or why is the state not being restored on call |
| 14:25.05 | lindi- | johnsu01: i hope you ran oeventsd under strace :) |
| 14:25.08 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: if you restore the state manually, does it solve the issues for that particular call? |
| 14:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | yup, eiter statefile messed or alsactl restore failed |
| 14:26.04 | johnsu01 | investigates |
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| 14:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | triage: do alsactl restore gsmhamdset.state manually |
| 14:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd assume update of statefiles to some kinky "special A7 version" ;-) |
| 14:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, me away now |
| 14:32.27 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: what distro are you using? |
| 14:32.42 | johnsu01 | well, I did a restore before placing the call, and now it works again |
| 14:32.59 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: debian |
| 14:33.30 | johnsu01 | my theory is that the alsa settings got stuck somehow thanks to the lightsaber application |
| 14:33.33 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: Cool. You did a restore before even initiating the call? Restore what? |
| 14:33.50 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Yeah, before even placing the call, of the gsmhandset.state file. |
| 14:33.52 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: i mean was it gsmhandset state? |
| 14:34.31 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: looks like you need to go look at frameworkd log, because it'll probably show why it didn't it automatically. |
| 14:36.40 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Yep, there's the error |
| 14:36.50 | johnsu01 | says that SetScenario doesn't exist |
| 14:37.05 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: Wow, that's funny :) |
| 14:37.32 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: look for some traceback at module loading time, probably it'll shed more light on the root of the issue. |
| 14:38.24 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: don't afraid to look at FSO code, btw, it's quite understandable even to a person without python experience. |
| 14:38.53 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Not afraid, I can do at least some Python :) |
| 14:39.20 | PaulFert` | And grep helps a lot as usual to take a grasp of some unknown code. |
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| 14:41.16 | PaulFert` | To me the words "RL" sound very ironic. It's like somebody thinks that the reality exist really exists. |
| 14:41.54 | PaulFert` | s^exist ^^ |
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| 14:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | another domu |
| 14:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | still searching dom0 |
| 14:42.52 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Hm, I'm not seeing any error prior to that about audio or alsa.. |
| 14:43.05 | johnsu01 | well, there are a few "No device for DAI..." messages |
| 14:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | eeek |
| 14:44.05 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: ook! |
| 14:45.37 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: i think there was some error on loading the part of frameworkd that has SetScenario call. |
| 14:47.31 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Yeah, definitely, GetAvailableScenarios errors too |
| 14:48.20 | johnsu01 | could not impart audio.py: can't initialize module gst |
| 14:48.27 | johnsu01 | s/impart/import |
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| 14:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* gst |
| 14:51.05 | slaxxin | pessimism ahanging |
| 14:51.17 | johnsu01 | it's possible I removed a dependency yesterday.. |
| 14:51.29 | johnsu01 | while trying to straighten out python-pygame sound issues |
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| 14:53.46 | TsaiHarry | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry |
| 14:54.09 | TsaiHarry | give ma a hand, fill the survey... |
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| 14:56.01 | johnsu01 | no, python-gst0.10 is still there, and framework doesn't complain when re-installed about anything missing |
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| 15:01.33 | TsaiHarry | thanks folks, this survey almost done..when I collected enough data that I can start the research.... |
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| 15:04.09 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: still some gst missing because else you'd be able to import audio.py ;) |
| 15:04.26 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: Hey, you're lucky :) |
| 15:04.58 | TsaiHarry | hey..paul how are you doing? |
| 15:06.19 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: Like usual. Sometimes extremely good, sometimes extremely bad. I hope it won't evolve into a bipolar disorder ;) How are you? Doing anything else besides the research? |
| 15:06.36 | bipolar | glances around |
| 15:06.52 | PaulFert` | Oh fuck, somebody please protect me! |
| 15:07.11 | TsaiHarry | what up? |
| 15:07.32 | PaulFert` | Bipolar is after me |
| 15:07.53 | TsaiHarry | so what? |
| 15:07.55 | PaulFert` | bipolar: go away |
| 15:08.05 | PaulFert` | ;) |
| 15:08.37 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: have you ever read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder |
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| 15:09.29 | bipolar | gos back to sleep |
| 15:09.44 | TsaiHarry | ha..bipolar go away.... |
| 15:09.49 | bipolar | sigh... I wish that worked |
| 15:11.10 | TsaiHarry | Paul... I am at home almost 3 months....only one thing can do that is my thesis..... |
| 15:11.42 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: don't you have free time at all? |
| 15:12.09 | TsaiHarry | I have alot..... |
| 15:13.07 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: Do you play any musical instrument? |
| 15:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | mixer ;-) |
| 15:13.49 | TsaiHarry | ........... I don't..but I can sing |
| 15:14.05 | TsaiHarry | hehe.... |
| 15:14.12 | PaulFert` | Cool :) |
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| 15:22.02 | TsaiHarry | where are you Paul?? |
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| 15:22.37 | PaulFert` | TsaiHarry: still in Moscow, Russia :) |
| 15:23.11 | TsaiHarry | Moscow.....I never been there... |
| 15:23.37 | TsaiHarry | But I am expecting on day I will be there.. |
| 15:24.28 | PaulFert` | I'm expecting to be at CCC one day :) |
| 15:25.11 | max_posedon | CCC? |
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| 15:25.23 | Think-Free | Hi ! I'm programming a gui alternative to zhone in Qt ... I have a problem in receiving a call ... I'm listening to signal 'Incoming' from '*.ophoned' , '/org/freesmartphone/Phone' but my program don't reveive the signal on incoming call ... Any idea ? |
| 15:25.35 | PaulFert` | max_posedon: the great IT security conference in Berlin. |
| 15:25.53 | max_posedon | ah... ok... |
| 15:26.04 | PaulFert` | Think-Free: if you've already did you best to understand it yourself, ask at -cdevel, probably. |
| 15:26.27 | max_posedon | Think-Free, shouldn't it be from *gsmd*? |
| 15:26.35 | Think-Free | PaulFert : ok, tks |
| 15:26.49 | Think-Free | max_posedon : i don't think so |
| 15:27.03 | PaulFert` | max_posedon: he's using the high-level interface. The least tested :) |
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| 15:27.43 | joejoe | Think-Free have you some repository? I am interested about lookin' into source codes (just curious) |
| 15:27.49 | Think-Free | I have ( with mdbus -s on ophoned, ... this signal : [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.Phone.Incoming( o:call ) |
| 15:28.19 | Think-Free | for the phone part not yet |
| 15:28.50 | Think-Free | joejoe : well i can do my best let me 30 min |
| 15:28.58 | SM2k | trying out SHR. the /usr/sbin/fso-settings file mentioned in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings is no longer present. has the method of setting one's APN/USER/PASS changed? |
| 15:29.42 | Think-Free | address will be : http://think-free.homelinux.org/project/neoManager |
| 15:32.05 | Think-Free | max_posedon : it's strange, in gsmd, there is an IncomingMessage signal but any Incoming call, the only signal for call is org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus |
| 15:32.35 | joejoe | Think-Free: btw i noticed some discussion in dev mainlinglist on topic of controlling framework - so i stored the main points of discussion to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenmokoFramework/mdbus (maybe it can help you, maybe it is already out of date) |
| 15:33.19 | Think-Free | ok, tks, i'll look at this |
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| 15:36.16 | PaulFert` | Think-Free: btw, do you know about FSO specs location? |
| 15:36.39 | PaulFert` | Think-Free: one of the aims of the FSO project is to make a decent fully-documented API. |
| 15:36.39 | Think-Free | joejoe : the phone part is in my repository, a testing image of all my work will be available in 2-3 weeks i think |
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| 15:37.06 | frojnd | Does open moko supporst java platform ? |
| 15:37.07 | joejoe | Think-Free: thank you |
| 15:37.39 | frojnd | I mean if mobile provider also gives an option to watch TV from moble phone ... |
| 15:37.56 | Think-Free | PaulFert : i'm using this ( http://docs.freesmartphone.org/ ) documentation with the help of mdbus |
| 15:38.00 | frojnd | Does open moko supports java apps ? |
| 15:38.18 | mjr | frojnd, there has been some work for java apps, but btw, probably not feasible |
| 15:38.38 | mjr | bandwidth and all |
| 15:38.39 | PaulFert` | Think-Free: also looking at the FSO source is easy and helps ;) |
| 15:38.54 | Think-Free | joejoe : it's a svn repo ;) |
| 15:39.08 | max_posedon | frojnd, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java |
| 15:40.06 | SeligArkin | Question about tangoGPS, is it possible for me to make another blip appear representing another gps device's location? |
| 15:41.24 | max_posedon | you dislike small yellow person?) |
| 15:42.22 | slaxxin | NO |
| 15:42.22 | SeligArkin | no I want to make my bt gps's location appear, compair the two blip's locations.:P |
| 15:42.30 | slaxxin | it already does? |
| 15:42.33 | tomboy64 | SeligArkin, they shouldn't deviate :-P |
| 15:43.06 | SeligArkin | they -shouldn't- but this was a rather cheap gps bluetooth thing. :P |
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| 15:43.16 | frojnd | yes... no tv untill UMTS 3G will be implemented in open moko, something that is urgent urgent |
| 15:44.29 | SeligArkin | looks at where ups says her phone is |
| 15:44.49 | SeligArkin | throws something at ups to juse beam the phone to her |
| 15:46.08 | TsaiHarry | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry |
| 15:46.26 | TsaiHarry | fill the survey...thanks for your help |
| 15:46.44 | SeligArkin | considers |
| 15:49.46 | slaxxin | http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2009/STMicroelectronics Enables Motion_Sensing_in_Openmoko_Mobile_Handsets.html |
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| 15:50.08 | SeligArkin | stares at slaxxin |
| 15:51.11 | slaxxin | ouch those lazer beam eyes work well |
| 15:51.39 | slaxxin | or are those just green contacts |
| 15:52.21 | slaxxin | are those in(the gta03 or in the gta02? |
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| 15:56.12 | SeligArkin | slaxxin: ...that link is broken |
| 15:58.14 | tig|1 | SeligArkin: it isn't but you will have to copy and paste the full URL not just click on it |
| 15:58.59 | SeligArkin | Well it should be %20 not a space so there. :P |
| 15:59.16 | tig|1 | SeligArkin: well try this then : http://tinyurl.com/czfetq |
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| 16:02.52 | slaxxin | sorry |
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| 16:24.43 | knishant | hii |
| 16:25.10 | knishant | I need to work and discuss my idea in relation to gsoc |
| 16:25.18 | knishant | to whom I shud tlk |
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| 17:00.00 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: Ew, here's what happens when I start a python shell and try to import gst |
| 17:00.03 | johnsu01 | ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file: |
| 17:00.06 | johnsu01 | /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpeg.so |
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| 17:08.37 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: ah, then remove the package or this file |
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| 17:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: ffmpeg??? |
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| 18:12.50 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`, DocScrutinizer: Yeah, removing that gstreamer ffmpeg package fixed the problem. |
| 18:13.40 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: cool. Was it installed as some dependency or have you done it yourself? |
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| 18:14.48 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: Also probably it'd be a good idea to write a mail to smartphone-userland or shr mailing list to warn other users of this unexpected side-effect. |
| 18:15.16 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: I suspect I installed it myself |
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| 18:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | incompatible ABI |
| 18:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | common issue it segfaults on libload |
| 18:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | (wild guess ;) |
| 18:25.52 | mwester | good thinking. OABI compat is disabled on the GTA02 (only enabled on the GTA01) |
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| 18:36.10 | SeligArkin | Squeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:36.41 | SeligArkin | tomorrow my freerunner should be in! :D |
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| 18:39.27 | SM2k | SeligArkin: sweet! :-) |
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| 18:43.57 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: in where? ;) |
| 18:44.06 | SeligArkin | in my hand |
| 18:44.24 | SeligArkin | and there will be blood ifI have to wait to monday |
| 18:44.36 | PaulFert` | Oh, good it's not what i thought about. |
| 18:44.56 | SeligArkin | espicaly if it ends up waiting less than 20 miles away from me... |
| 18:45.03 | PaulFert` | SM2k: any status update about your issues? |
| 18:45.19 | SM2k | PaulFert`: I switched to SHR |
| 18:45.21 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I don't think it would fit up my bum, and I sadly don't have the other input. |
| 18:45.27 | SM2k | GPS works in that distro |
| 18:45.41 | SM2k | PaulFert`: but as far as GPRS I'm still rather mystified |
| 18:45.50 | SeligArkin | I am partialy considering just doing lfs onto the phone... |
| 18:46.10 | SeligArkin | that would let me apply all the little patches people make for it to be betterer |
| 18:46.38 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: you can do the same with OE |
| 18:46.58 | PaulFert` | SM2k: so, still some cryptic errors with GPRS? |
| 18:47.31 | SM2k | yeah. I know my acct is set up for gprs access, and there's service in my area |
| 18:48.15 | SM2k | having trouble issuing AT commands directly to the modem, the way the expect script does, cause that'd likely tell me which CME error code I'm getting |
| 18:48.26 | SM2k | which would narrow down the wtf factor substantially |
| 18:48.55 | PaulFert` | SM2k: have you tried mickeyterm? |
| 18:49.05 | SM2k | never heard of it |
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| 18:49.32 | SM2k | do I need to shut down otehr services possibly talking to the modem before playing with it? |
| 18:49.34 | PaulFert` | SM2k: with it you can enter any commands without troubles even while frameworkd is running. |
| 18:49.41 | SM2k | ah nice |
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| 18:50.40 | SM2k | I would have assumed 'mickeyterm /dev/ttySAC0' but that's clearly not the right args :-) |
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| 18:57.25 | SM2k | well heck. when I enter the same commands the expect script di: |
| 18:57.27 | SM2k | did |
| 18:57.32 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2cmN4lG3Z << this post |
| 18:58.05 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s20HzOrrsz |
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| 18:59.30 | SM2k | the thing is. CONNECT happens right away when I type those items by hand, which would make the expect script happy... so this CME ERROR is different than the one I was experiencing yesterday |
| 19:00.59 | PaulFert` | SM2k: try with the normal method then |
| 19:01.04 | SM2k | actually, one side effect of mucking with mickeyterm: I think I lost my GPS signal. aren't they on the same bus? |
| 19:01.26 | PaulFert` | SM2k: they aren't |
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| 19:02.06 | SM2k | PaulFert`: the "normal method" I've been trying is http://slexy.org/view/s21WLZaknG running that script |
| 19:02.10 | PaulFert` | SM2k: you don't set APN while trying to connect by hand? |
| 19:02.48 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ./gprs/connect.sh |
| 19:02.48 | SM2k | /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel |
| 19:02.57 | PaulFert` | SM2k: exit mickeyterm first |
| 19:03.03 | PaulFert` | SM2k: calypso has only 4 virtual channels |
| 19:03.05 | ChristW | Hi, I followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Knjrepository to install knjMokoWifi, but it said that it was unable to find php526 and php526-gtk dependencies. Did I miss a repository? |
| 19:03.14 | SM2k | how? it doesn't want to let go |
| 19:03.23 | PaulFert` | SM2k: EOF? |
| 19:03.44 | SM2k | nerp. didn't I finally just used ctrl-\ but that left my login session borked |
| 19:05.06 | PaulFert` | SM2k: Sending EOF (C-d) always worked for me. |
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| 19:05.48 | SM2k | I've never gotten any other response that that NoChannel unless I bounce frameworkd |
| 19:06.12 | PaulFert` | SM2k: exiting mickeyterm properly will release the channel! |
| 19:06.34 | SM2k | it did realease accoridng to logread |
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| 19:08.00 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2PMfDhcMV |
| 19:08.48 | SM2k | mickeyterm exited and released. I retried teh connect script ala dbus. got the note about mknod... did that, then tried again. still got /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel |
| 19:09.09 | PaulFert` | SM2k: pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device |
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| 19:09.24 | PaulFert` | SM2k: check no mickeyterm and pppd is running. |
| 19:09.46 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ps -A | grep mickeyterm |
| 19:09.47 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ps -A | grep ppp |
| 19:09.47 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ |
| 19:09.56 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -l /dev/ppp |
| 19:09.56 | SM2k | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 108, 0 Mar 12 15:05 /dev/ppp |
| 19:10.32 | PaulFert` | SM2k: looks good |
| 19:11.06 | SM2k | dbus is the right way to bring up a ppp itnerface over gprs right? |
| 19:11.18 | PaulFert` | SM2k: yes |
| 19:12.27 | SM2k | scratches head. so how come there's no channels? you said "calypso only has 4" |
| 19:12.45 | SM2k | Mar 12 15:05:39 om-gta02 local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1524]: gsm0710muxd.c:1474:extract_frames(): Logical channel 5 opened |
| 19:12.45 | SM2k | but that would have been the 5th |
| 19:13.02 | PaulFert` | SM2k: yes, that's wrong. For some reason the 4th wasn't closed. |
| 19:13.13 | SM2k | would rebooting help? |
| 19:13.54 | PaulFert` | SM2k: killing gsm0710muxd should be enough. |
| 19:13.58 | SM2k | at least you're confirming that I'm on the right track :-) |
| 19:14.42 | SM2k | ah! root@om-gta02 ~ $ ./gprs/connect.sh |
| 19:14.42 | SM2k | /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown |
| 19:15.09 | SM2k | an entirely new error :-) so yes killing gsm0710muxd did free up a channel |
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| 19:15.46 | PaulFert` | SM2k: hm, properly working frameworkd always restart gsm0710muxd if it gets killed. |
| 19:15.55 | PaulFert` | SM2k: probably you need to wait 10 sec after you killed it. |
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| 19:17.07 | SM2k | gsm0710muxd never came back |
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| 19:18.00 | PaulFert` | SM2k: hm, strange. You should investigate frameworkd log probably. It should receive HUP on all channels after killing and restart it. |
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| 19:18.39 | SM2k | is the frameworkd log mixed in with syslog? |
| 19:18.47 | PaulFert` | SM2k: well, it depends... |
| 19:19.10 | PaulFert` | SM2k: on /etc/frameworkd.conf and syslogd.conf probably. |
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| 19:21.31 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2w9ADmJ6R not sure what I was doing when those log events occured but... looks like it didn't detect gsm0710muxd dying |
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| 19:22.25 | PaulFert` | SM2k: UP condition on modem channel. The multiplexer is probably dead. Launching reinit... |
| 19:22.54 | SM2k | but ps -A | grep gsm0710muxd didn't show any results after that |
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| 19:23.57 | PaulFert` | SM2k: hm, strange probably it's some issue with dbus configuration. Restart frameworkd for now. |
| 19:24.14 | SM2k | that makes the x session on the handset cranky btw |
| 19:24.20 | SM2k | I lose all t-Mobile signal too |
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| 19:39.33 | slaxxin | tangofriends says im in minnesota |
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| 19:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: how's weather in Minnesota? ;D |
| 19:46.10 | SM2k | PaulFert`: I got annoyed and rebooted. this time I ran mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 manually before attempting the dbus connect script. seems that made things *much* better |
| 19:46.13 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s20fnDCKM4 |
| 19:46.28 | SM2k | seems like the remote side hung up on me? |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | after just 10min of a dead line? how unpolite! ;) |
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| 19:47.24 | SM2k | 0 seconds of dead line :-) |
| 19:47.57 | SM2k | by the time I logged in with a different terminal and looked for any new network interfaces (ppp0 for instance) it had already gone dead |
| 19:51.34 | SM2k | whooo! |
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| 19:52.33 | PaulFert` | SM2k: looks like your ISP doesn't like some pppd parameter. |
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| 19:53.16 | SM2k | I have a ppp0 now. I changed to the wap.voicestream.com address |
| 19:53.23 | SM2k | I think that was supposed to be for SMS tho |
| 19:53.54 | SM2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS at least that's what I took the table there to mean. T-Mobile's my carrier |
| 19:54.06 | PaulFert` | SM2k: wap looks very nasty. I'd be afraid to even try that, because they might charge freaking too much for that. |
| 19:54.20 | SM2k | what is WAP? |
| 19:54.37 | PaulFert` | SM2k: you better find some info about GPRS for your provider in general (like hooking up motorola to a GNU/Linux PC or smth like that). |
| 19:55.12 | PaulFert` | SM2k: WAP is some strange http-like protocol along with html-like markup, used mostly for downloading stupid ringtones and stuff. |
| 19:55.25 | SM2k | gotcha |
| 19:56.05 | PaulFert` | SM2k: (i'm not sure it's entirely correct, but i know for sure that WAP traffic sometimes is fucking expensive) |
| 19:56.16 | SM2k | rgr |
| 19:56.23 | SM2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/T-Mobile_pppd_scripts |
| 19:56.35 | SM2k | ppl seem to use it with varying mileage |
| 19:57.03 | PaulFert` | SM2k: are you sure you have activated "Internet over GPRS" and not "WAP over GPRS" for your cell account? |
| 19:57.31 | SM2k | it's a pay-as-you-go card |
| 19:57.50 | PaulFert` | SM2k: mickey said that ATD*99# should work regardless of any cell provider, he's sure of that. |
| 19:58.06 | file | the T-Mobile free data on their pay as you go service is restricted to certain WAP sites only |
| 19:58.08 | PaulFert` | SM2k: so, i don't know what comes with it. |
| 19:59.38 | PaulFert` | SM2k: why don't you just call their support line and ask them if they allow "Internet" access (if you're not afraid, ask for "tethering"). |
| 20:00.05 | SM2k | how would they know I was tethering if I used the phone to NAT? :-) |
| 20:00.19 | file | the proxy won't allow you anywhere else |
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| 20:00.43 | file | all other ports are blocked, and any traffic sent through for WAP access goes through a transparent proxy that doesn't allow you anywhere except sites allowed by it |
| 20:01.49 | file | depending on the market you used to be able to go to other places, but T-Mobile has since smartened up and secured things |
| 20:01.52 | PaulFert` | file: AT&T seem to be stupid bastards. No surprise they're promoting ishit and stuff. |
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| 20:02.20 | file | in fact you used to be able to roam in Canada using a T-Mobile prepaid SIM and have full data access for free |
| 20:02.32 | PaulFert` | Confirms "stupid" |
| 20:02.40 | file | but that cost them lots of money I'm sure so that was also secured |
| 20:02.54 | PaulFert` | (ah, it's t-mobile... Sorry, at&t :) ) |
| 20:03.45 | mmontour | Data is stupidly expensive in Canada - it would cost me $30/MB on my prepaid Fido card |
| 20:04.32 | file | SM2k: so the moral of the story is while you may be able to connect and tether... you won't be able to go anywhere |
| 20:07.55 | SM2k | file: gotcha. so how's the billing generally work for data? billed per bytes transferred vs minutes connected? |
| 20:08.32 | file | SM2k: in a general sense bytes transferred, for T-Mobile pay as you go it is not billed though - and there are no options to add it |
| 20:08.43 | PaulFert` | file: What's up with the USA and Canada? They can't prohibit software patents, can't revert DMCA (what a name!), can't do anti-monopoly measures properly (Microsoft is still quite happy, as the telcos). When will it end?.. |
| 20:09.20 | file | PaulFert`: when a giant pink flamingo flies past your window |
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| 20:09.31 | PaulFert` | And i'm not even talking about pure politics stuff like "patriot act". |
| 20:10.39 | mmontour | Hey, at least we protested our version of the DMCA (see http://www.michaelgeist.ca/) |
| 20:10.51 | SM2k | file: so it's free, but useless. :-) |
| 20:10.59 | file | SM2k: yes. |
| 20:11.06 | SM2k | nice |
| 20:11.19 | file | for prepaid data the option is AT&T afaik |
| 20:11.24 | file | $20/100MB |
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| 20:31.39 | knguyen | how can I get help from fyp distribution? |
| 20:32.41 | knguyen | hello anyone? |
| 20:32.42 | Zorkman | llo knguyen |
| 20:32.42 | Zorkman | just ask it :) |
| 20:32.42 | Zorkman | (i won't be able to help you, but maybe someone else might :)) |
| 20:33.30 | knguyen | i want to customize the fyp to thumb-friendly |
| 20:33.42 | knguyen | are there any resource for learning? |
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| 20:34.59 | rhkfin | knguyen: isn't it ~debian..? |
| 20:35.10 | knguyen | yes |
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| 20:35.39 | knguyen | a debian on freerunner with lxde desktop environment, i believe |
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| 20:44.12 | SeligArkin | dsafknsdjkansakdjlfnsadlk great |
| 20:44.27 | SeligArkin | I borked my laptop screen now |
| 20:44.31 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: did you get your FR :)? |
| 20:44.32 | rhkfin | :/ |
| 20:44.34 | Quinn_Storm | trying to update the gsm firmware on my 01bv4 -- does anyone know of a console image that works on it & sets up networking properly? |
| 20:44.57 | SeligArkin | I can'topen the lid without the bottom andtop halfs of the screen prying apart! |
| 20:45.48 | Zorkman | Quinn_Storm: sorry, I only own a gta02 and DocScrutinizer 's image worked great on that |
| 20:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | it won't on GTA01 though :-/ |
| 20:47.14 | Quinn_Storm | y3qh |
| 20:47.17 | Quinn_Storm | yeah^ |
| 20:47.22 | Quinn_Storm | someone suggested using SHR in -devel |
| 20:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: did an update on GTA01. I don't think he used a special console image anyway. Probably he just followed the instructions on gsm/flashing and killed all processes occupying the modem |
| 20:48.32 | Quinn_Storm | I'm gonna check with the SHR image, see if it will work |
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| 20:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: which image are U using ight now? |
| 20:49.18 | mmontour | I've done the update on GTA01 as well but I don't remember which image I used |
| 20:49.33 | Quinn_Storm | I tried an fso-console image pulled from downloads.om.o but it didn't set up its networking properly (mounted the image, no /etc/network/interfaces even) |
| 20:50.20 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: the image doesn't matter. If you have any image running, it'll be ok, provided you kill all the processes that access /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 20:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | so you never had any working image on your freshly bought GTA01? |
| 20:50.36 | Quinn_Storm | ah, I had a ton of images on it |
| 20:50.43 | Quinn_Storm | then I set it aside for months |
| 20:50.56 | Quinn_Storm | now I want to do the firmware update since it may actually be usable afterwords |
| 20:51.03 | Quinn_Storm | (do you know if it enables the US bands properly?) |
| 20:51.36 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: nothing to do with the bands |
| 20:51.42 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: the phone is tri-band like it or not. |
| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: us-bands are dependent of type of your device: 850 vs 900 |
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| 20:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | 850 is US |
| 20:52.18 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, I got a bv4 and I don't know if it supports the us bands or not (got it for free a long while ago while I was working for FIC/everex on another project) |
| 20:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | 900 sane rest of the world ;) |
| 20:52.54 | Quinn_Storm | hehe |
| 20:53.22 | mwester-laptop | There were only a very few hand-built gta01's that did 850MHz, and those were done just before the gta02 began shipping IIRC |
| 20:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | mwester-laptop: ah ok |
| 20:53.45 | mwester-laptop | So it's safe to say that your device is a euromoko. |
| 20:54.39 | Quinn_Storm | grr, unfortunately I do live in the US so that's annoying |
| 20:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: so you're restricted to 1800/1900 band |
| 20:55.30 | Quinn_Storm | and IIRC, t-mobile doesn't have many towers that aren't 850 |
| 20:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 20:57.13 | Quinn_Storm | ah well, maybe it'll make a neat pim |
| 20:58.34 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: lol |
| 20:58.47 | Quinn_Storm | just don't want to let it sit there doing nothing |
| 21:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | duh, wiki down? |
| 21:03.27 | PaulFert` | Yes, it already happened today |
| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 21:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | time for a break |
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| 21:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | Quinn_Storm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_850_test |
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| 21:13.24 | PaulFert` | Hey, first rant about my interview with Mirko! Yay. OM-the-company shouldn't act openly because stupid users are wasting OM's time. FTW! |
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| 21:15.10 | Quinn_Storm | interesting |
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| 21:18.50 | vininim | linky |
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| 21:22.58 | vininim | oh, nevermind, found it |
| 21:30.59 | mwester-laptop | PaulFert`: link? |
| 21:31.32 | rhkfin | mwester-laptop: community-list |
| 21:31.50 | mwester-laptop | ah, I don't subscribe to that. i'll go check the archives. |
| 21:32.01 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=%3cm2mybv3qii.fsf%40home.pavel.comp%3e |
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| 21:33.30 | mwester-laptop | heh! The archtypical Openmoko Fanboi response. Sigh. |
| 21:34.00 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop: do you think my "interview" was ok? |
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| 21:38.07 | mwester-laptop | I don't have any issues with it, but I can see that the Fanboi's would be upset. |
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| 21:39.21 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop: even without my direct comments or judgements. Heh, let him live in his om-is-the-greatest world... |
| 21:40.29 | Quinn_Storm | grr, it failed on my first try to write it, and now I can't get fluid to start writing again |
| 21:40.56 | Quinn_Storm | [flash operation timeout] |
| 21:41.28 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: use the force^W ROM bootloader |
| 21:41.37 | Quinn_Storm | tried it, didn't work yet |
| 21:41.48 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: what does it output? |
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| 21:42.39 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: you should have tried ROM from the beginning actually |
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| 21:44.14 | Quinn_Storm | it hangs at waiting for the bootloader |
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| 21:46.13 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: kill fluid.exe, repeat everything from the beginning, but start fluid without flow control and with -oo -od13,13 |
| 21:46.30 | Quinn_Storm | ok |
| 21:47.55 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, so far still hanging at bootloader: reset target, after I issue the b7=1 command on the other terminal |
| 21:48.45 | PaulFert` | Quinn_Storm: rebooting might help... |
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| 21:49.29 | Quinn_Storm | ok, trying that |
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| 21:54.03 | knguyen | will android apps run on debian? |
| 21:54.32 | PaulFert` | knguyen: not without any special efforts, afaik |
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| 21:57.14 | Quinn_Storm | [wandering afk, bbs] |
| 21:59.05 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: are you my mummy? |
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| 21:59.57 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: O_o not that i know of |
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| 22:02.41 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: Why do you ask? |
| 22:02.53 | SeligArkin | mental instability? |
| 22:03.11 | SeligArkin | thinks she lost the last of her sanity for today... mind has shut down |
| 22:03.22 | Bert_2 | Hi, I can't seem to get my nand-flash backed up, everytime I try to backup the root filesystem it will give me the following error "dfu_upload error -108" exactly when the file is 246.1MB big (258076672 bytes), is this a bug or what ? |
| 22:03.44 | SeligArkin | Bert_2: where are you backing it up to? |
| 22:04.23 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: my own system (plenty of space) |
| 22:04.42 | SeligArkin | hmm... how are you backing it up? |
| 22:04.50 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: oh, i think i know how it feels |
| 22:05.09 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:05.21 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: I put it in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 22:05.29 | Bert_2 | (the dfu-util binary |
| 22:05.48 | SeligArkin | stares |
| 22:06.00 | SeligArkin | wouldn't that save the backup to the moko? |
| 22:06.43 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: nope, I run the command from within /home/bert on my PC when the moko is in USB mode and it starts backing up on my system |
| 22:06.55 | SeligArkin | I see... |
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| 22:07.17 | SeligArkin | shrugs and goes back to building a neo freerunner out of legos |
| 22:07.31 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: ow you don't have a neo ? |
| 22:07.46 | SeligArkin | not yet, it is on its way |
| 22:07.54 | SeligArkin | I should have it by tomorrow |
| 22:07.56 | SeligArkin | ... |
| 22:07.58 | SeligArkin | bye |
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| 22:08.09 | PaulFert` | bernt: There was an upload bug in uboot btw. |
| 22:08.31 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I see, and what kind of bug is this ? |
| 22:08.56 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: inability to upload? ;) Why don't you do tar | scp or smth like that instead? |
| 22:09.46 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I'm not backing up an sd card but the nand, so don't I need a jffs2 ? |
| 22:10.20 | SeligArkin | nomnomnoms down a gentoo stage 3 taball |
| 22:11.02 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: with your FR booted it doesn't matter. You can even do dd if=/dev/mtdblk6 | nc desktop 7777 or smth like that :) |
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| 22:11.22 | SeligArkin | Hmm,what happen to the gentoo entry on the distributions thingy on the wiki? was the gentoo install thingy ma jigger discontunued? |
| 22:13.05 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: what's smth ? |
| 22:13.24 | SeligArkin | something |
| 22:14.25 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: i mean you should get the idea. :) Or just use scp |
| 22:14.58 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: but I can basically dd it to my SD card or something similar ? |
| 22:15.16 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: sure |
| 22:15.32 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: awesome, thx |
| 22:15.47 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: do you also know some things about android on the FR ? |
| 22:16.11 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: Gentoo team is very active btw, they are doing a nice job crosscompiling stuff for FR |
| 22:16.18 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: I know. |
| 22:16.33 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ANDROID SUCKS on every platform because it was designed to SUCK |
| 22:16.57 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I know, I just want to try it out (just like any distro, except gentoo) |
| 22:16.58 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I am currently installing it back on my laptop |
| 22:17.00 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: (that should be read as "i don't like android because it's not hackers-oriented platform") |
| 22:17.07 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I am sick of ubuntu breaking things on me |
| 22:17.47 | SeligArkin | tries to remember whether her laptop is i686 or not |
| 22:17.50 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: i've tried to set ubuntu for my pal, and it wasn't as fun as i hoped. I'd go Debian on every new PC i'd get. Though gentoo is fun. |
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| 22:18.14 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: And gentoo team tries to crosscompile everything, unlike debian folks. |
| 22:18.31 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I am overwriting my windows partition with gentoo, so if I get sick of it, I don't need to worry about putting everything back |
| 22:18.54 | SeligArkin | what is pushing me over the edge is ubuntu keeps overwriting my hostname with localhost.localdomain and it is royaly fucking things up one me |
| 22:19.02 | SeligArkin | s/one me/on me/ |
| 22:19.14 | SeligArkin | interesting |
| 22:19.26 | mmontour | Bert_2: note that the dfu-util upload bug (actually a bug in u-boot IIRC) would corrupt your data even if the transfer appeared to be OK |
| 22:19.31 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: the first thing i did when i got my laptop is to install gentoo overwriting everything :) |
| 22:19.41 | SeligArkin | I use to have gentoo on this |
| 22:19.47 | Bert_2 | mmontour: okey, that sounds quite nasty |
| 22:19.50 | SeligArkin | but I got sick of having to compile everything |
| 22:19.58 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: I can imagine that |
| 22:20.00 | SeligArkin | now I kind of miss thepower it came with having to compile everything |
| 22:20.24 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: same with me, but i still use gentoo on my laptop and Debian at my work pc. |
| 22:20.41 | SeligArkin | to be honest,I need a new laptop, this one is literaly falling apart at this point |
| 22:21.18 | PaulFert` | And i say it again, i need a brand-new friend... |
| 22:21.24 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 22:21.27 | SeligArkin | don't we all. :P |
| 22:21.47 | Bert_2 | SeligArkin: that's why mine is 10 years old, weighs more than a truck and has as much RAM and Mhz as the FR has |
| 22:21.55 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: do you need a friend who doesn't need you? |
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| 22:22.51 | SeligArkin | Bert_2: mine isn't that old,but it is starting to get 'slow' compaired to what I experience with other laptops |
| 22:23.00 | SeligArkin | has a XPS M140 |
| 22:23.22 | Bert_2 | put all his money into desktop and FR |
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| 22:29.42 | mwester-laptop | puts all his money into college tuition payments. |
| 22:30.05 | SeligArkin | wuss! :P |
| 22:31.18 | SeligArkin | hopes her phone gets in tomorrow |
| 22:31.54 | mwester-laptop | Yeah, I know. I sent a letter to Obama with my kid's tuition bills, but apparently he's too busy to pay them. So I had to pay the bill myself. Sucks. |
| 22:32.36 | PaulFert` | At least now the fanboys don't tell me that i'm insane and rude. Instead they hail OM. I'd wish they commented on Trisoft letter instead. |
| 22:36.11 | SeligArkin | mwester-laptop: I was being silly, I do that alot you may find |
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| 22:36.57 | mwester-laptop | So am I. I wouldn't waste a stamp sending anything to Obama. |
| 22:37.30 | PaulFert` | Now we know why you don't like him. He failed to pay your bills :) |
| 22:37.49 | SeligArkin | heh |
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| 22:38.07 | mwester-laptop | PaulFert`: Its a strange world, isn't it -- Apple delivers a product that works, and gets slammed -- Om can't deliver hardly any of the basic functionality of a phone, yet they are lauded. |
| 22:38.22 | rhkfin | mwester-laptop: indeed! |
| 22:38.45 | rhkfin | But on the other hand at some stage Apple has succeeded so people expect more :) |
| 22:39.07 | timur | has anyone tried using pyBluez on FR? i keep running into "error accessing device" for some reason |
| 22:39.29 | rhkfin | timur: what distro? AFAIK 2008.12 has broken bluez.. |
| 22:39.34 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop: do you think "Would you mind to share your comments on TRIsoft letter as well?" is an appropriate question to ask a OM fanboy? |
| 22:39.48 | timur | rhkfin, this is 2008.10 |
| 22:39.52 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: it is, yes |
| 22:40.17 | timur | and i'm not sure what the issue is. i guess i'll have to dive into bluez code |
| 22:40.19 | rhkfin | timur: hmm. neverheard.. they've released 2008.9 and 2008.12.. I suppose you mean 2008.9.. I don't know about it. |
| 22:40.34 | timur | yea, i do mean 2008.9 |
| 22:40.36 | eolson | thinks the iphone just works poorly |
| 22:40.38 | timur | sorry |
| 22:40.40 | timur | :) |
| 22:40.58 | PaulFert` | mwester-laptop: (strange world) it basically suggests that many people don't care about "works" as much as others. And to me it's ok, i don't care too. |
| 22:41.41 | rooly | is just upset that qte is being abandoned |
| 22:42.34 | mwester-laptop | I think you are wasting your time to talk with a Fanboi at all, frankly. And I think its about expectations. The problem is that Openmoko did a TERRIBLE job of setting and managing realistic expectations. On the other hand, Apple is a master at expectations and marketing. |
| 22:43.32 | rhkfin | second this.. |
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| 22:44.39 | mmontour | escaped from Apple's reality-distortion field after having two devices go from "just works" to "just bricked" |
| 22:45.10 | mmontour | One was an Airport Express base station killed by an official firmware update, the other was an ipod shuffle that just died one day |
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| 22:47.16 | mwester-laptop | "reality-distortion" is right. Consider the 3G iPod -- a perfectly useable device for today, but it's being thrown away because Apple has convinced people that they must have the new iPod touch or the other newer models. Thus, they have effectively countered the failure issue by keeping people wanting the newer ones. Brilliant. |
| 22:47.38 | eolson | 's wife just had an apple turn into a brick too. She got a new ipod, and is really frustrated companies are making it really hard to get your old itunes or cds on on there. |
| 22:47.55 | moo--- | mwester: at least apple updates the software |
| 22:48.04 | moo--- | mwester: nokai just dumps devices to the market and forgets them |
| 22:48.13 | mwester-laptop | Now consider the highly-skeptical Om community, only some of whom will throw away their gta02s and line up to buy the gta03. Most here will wait to see if it actually works. |
| 22:48.26 | moo--- | mwester: apple is into service business, nokia is into product business |
| 22:48.42 | rhkfin | mwester-laptop: true.. Or depends 'how much better' gta03 is.. |
| 22:48.58 | mwester-laptop | moo: correct - nokia could have blown Openmoko out of the water by coming up with an n810 with a GSM in it. Game Over for Openmoko. |
| 22:49.14 | moo--- | mwester: it takes at least 70 engineers and 3 years to make a decend mobile phone software stack |
| 22:49.16 | rhkfin | Waiting for it to happen this summer..? |
| 22:49.24 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: better? without wifi and likely gps i can't see how it can be any better |
| 22:49.27 | moo--- | mwester: openmoko doesn't have it |
| 22:49.58 | timur | ok, even weirder, C code runs fine. maybe my pyBluez cross-compiled package is not quite right. heh |
| 22:50.01 | mwester-laptop | moo: correct -- openmoko counted on the community writing the software, but they didn't actually hire anyone who could manage and coordinate the community. |
| 22:50.03 | moo--- | mwester: the best chance would be adopt android or fork it |
| 22:50.22 | mwester-laptop | moo: that's what Andy has been thinking for the past year, I have concluded. |
| 22:50.25 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: Not being too closely following the gta03 rumors--but it doesn't have wifi or gps or..? |
| 22:50.34 | moo--- | mwester: i wouldn't count some free software lunatics on my software |
| 22:50.41 | moo--- | mwester: it took 15 years before linux caught fire |
| 22:50.52 | rhkfin | mwester-laptop: I really love to see that others agree that Openmoko failed to manage the community.. |
| 22:50.58 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: not rumors even. Andy removed wlan stack from the kernel recently. And said there will not be any trouble with wifi firmware for sure. |
| 22:50.58 | moo--- | it doesn't matter how good the hardware is |
| 22:51.03 | moo--- | because applications will still crash |
| 22:51.07 | moo--- | and it will be still unusable |
| 22:51.13 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: AUCH!! |
| 22:51.36 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: don't say it on community loudly, or they all will start stupid discussions again. |
| 22:51.50 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: I think you just did it :) |
| 22:52.01 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: i mean on community mailing list. |
| 22:52.17 | eolson | next om phone will have to be a different market -- gta02 owners wives :) |
| 22:52.30 | PaulFert` | Hahaha EPIC FAIL |
| 22:52.48 | moo--- | well at least in that case we can't have gps or wifi problems :) |
| 22:53.35 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: roger.. |
| 22:53.50 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: what? |
| 22:54.08 | mwester | ;) it seems to be the wives and girlfreinds who complain the most about mis-features like the gsm buzz. A phone for them would be nice, actually. |
| 22:54.21 | PaulFert` | received? |
| 22:54.47 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: not to mention on the community(-list) or something.. |
| 22:55.58 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: not that i'm trying to force you but it seems useless to draw attention to it atm. |
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| 22:57.16 | PaulFert` | mwester: a phone that will emit some other horrible sounds in a revenge? |
| 22:57.24 | rhkfin | understand. Just can't believe it happening.. On the other hand it means that people will be interested in GTA02 for a longer time -> better software, I hope.. Unless Nokia does the job.. |
| 22:57.26 | eolson | dueling mokos |
| 22:57.30 | mwester | hehe! |
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| 22:58.20 | mwester | rhkfin: that's a good thought, except for the very serious design flaws in the gta02 that are not fixed even in the most recent (not yet shipping, I think) version of the hardware. |
| 22:58.56 | lindi- | rhkfin: git at least talks about /sys/bus/platform/devices/om-gta03.0/gps_power |
| 22:59.00 | eolson | mwester, I think they'll keep selling gta02, buzz should be fixed soon, what others? |
| 22:59.06 | lindi- | rhkfin: so surely there is at least some GPS code? |
| 22:59.30 | rhkfin | eolson: bass fix |
| 22:59.45 | rhkfin | lindi-: hmm.. we'll see |
| 22:59.48 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: that's power switching |
| 22:59.53 | eolson | rhkfin, right, that one |
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| 22:59.56 | mwester | eolson: the calypso itself, the broken wifi chipset, the echo problem, the bass fix (which is improved, but not fixed), -- and I'm not sure if the buzz is fixed or not. |
| 22:59.57 | lindi- | rhkfin: and there's "fix-gta03-wlan-pm-and-mmc-rescan.patch" |
| 23:00.00 | lindi- | rhkfin: for wlan stuff |
| 23:00.34 | lindi- | mwester: echo surely is solved? |
| 23:00.50 | PaulFert` | mwester: the buzz should be fixed by ferrite beads on all possible pathes, afaik. |
| 23:00.54 | rhkfin | lindi-: I don't know anything about this, I was just told that there would't be wlan/gps but if you can prove something else, I'm happy :) |
| 23:01.08 | lindi- | rhkfin: i can only provide rumors ;) |
| 23:01.23 | mwester | lindi-: I haven't heard that the hardware echo is fixed. |
| 23:01.36 | mwester | I'm glad to hear that they did fix the buzz. |
| 23:01.37 | rhkfin | lindi-: :) |
| 23:01.41 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: i'm sure about wlan btw. Though the OM plans may change every minute, it seems to bee too far to add major stuff. |
| 23:01.42 | lindi- | mwester: AT%N0187 fixes it |
| 23:01.54 | mwester | lindi-: not well enough, but I won't argue it. |
| 23:01.59 | mmontour | the echo "fix" just turns on software echo suppression. I saw one recent report that it was causing normal audio to cut out (threshold too high) |
| 23:02.00 | lindi- | mwester: oh? |
| 23:02.04 | PaulFert` | mwester: A8 should work, but i don't know if anybody has verified that it helps actually. |
| 23:02.15 | mmontour | I haven't had a chance to test it myself yet |
| 23:02.25 | mwester | The calypso is enough to kill the device as a useful phone anyway, it would be better if it had #1024 fixed. |
| 23:02.50 | PaulFert` | IMO the best echo-free way to use freerunner is to use headset and internal mic (and switch off %Nxxxx) |
| 23:03.34 | mwester | keeps wondering what horrible secret everyone is concealing about bluetooth -- there must be one, because it is the obvious solution to the bass problem, the buzz, as well as the echo. |
| 23:04.06 | SeligArkin | mwester: shh! bluetooth is a dirty word! |
| 23:04.22 | PaulFert` | mwester: Just nobody implemented it properly in FSO. Otherwise it works (with a workaround for one weird bug in alsa driver). |
| 23:04.36 | mwester | I love looking like a foolish geek with my blinking bluetooth headset on my ear at the grocery store. |
| 23:07.30 | PaulFert` | What will be really good in GTA03 is the GSM modem. |
| 23:08.13 | SeligArkin | what about it? |
| 23:08.18 | mwester | hehe! What a concept, huh? That a good phone must start with a good GSM modem... (Yes, I've heard good things from Mickey about the new GSM) |
| 23:08.20 | ColdFyre | 2.75G |
| 23:08.28 | SeligArkin | I see |
| 23:08.38 | lindi- | PaulFert`: what's this "andy removed wlan stack" about? |
| 23:08.39 | eolson | PaulFert, also hopefully GTA03 form factor will be more masses friendly |
| 23:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | mc75i |
| 23:08.46 | ColdFyre | mwester: i had that retro handset from think geek, beat that |
| 23:08.52 | lindi- | PaulFert`: commit id? ;) |
| 23:08.53 | PaulFert` | And btw (a matter of taste) it will require rootfs to be on uSD. |
| 23:09.17 | mwester | thinks that tastes just right. |
| 23:09.22 | lindi- | PaulFert`: or ram :) |
| 23:09.37 | timur | heh well, i'm sure no one really cares, but it seems the asynchronous scanning is broken but a regular scan still works |
| 23:10.57 | timur | for bluetooth on FR that is |
| 23:11.03 | PaulFert` | lindi-: 21813b7cbfbc7d2c5f9b1afad48639acddbd888d |
| 23:11.46 | eolson | hmm, hopefully multiple SD slots then for GTA03 |
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| 23:12.34 | rhkfin | Anyone still experiencing problems with accelerometers? |
| 23:12.34 | eolson | maybe even a full SD slot (doubtful) to put a wifi card in p) |
| 23:12.48 | lindi- | PaulFert`: but that's just config file? |
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| 23:14.03 | PaulFert` | eolson: no |
| 23:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | eolson: nope, regrettably not |
| 23:14.27 | eolson | oh well :) |
| 23:14.28 | SeligArkin | I heard the GTA03 will have a bacon |
| 23:14.31 | PaulFert` | lindi-: we'll see ;) |
| 23:15.00 | rhkfin | SeligArkin: My gta02 is a toaster every now and then :) |
| 23:15.01 | SeligArkin | and a 10 year battery, on a 3 second charge! |
| 23:15.22 | rhkfin | no charge at all - accelerometers charge it! |
| 23:15.29 | SeligArkin | YEAH! |
| 23:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: ham&eggs |
| 23:15.45 | SeligArkin | And it can transform into a robot |
| 23:16.18 | |Marco| | has anyone given the 2007.2 screen locker a recode for shr ? |
| 23:16.19 | eolson | hopefully a tap + "beam me up" will work too |
| 23:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | why transform? that's incorrect |
| 23:16.50 | SeligArkin | BECAUSE IT IS A ROBOT IN DISCUISE!!!1 |
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| 23:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | no disguise |
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| 23:17.54 | sigius | Q:How can I tell which version of GTA02 I have in my hands ? |
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| 23:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | open and look at the writing next mic |
| 23:18.55 | PaulFert` | sigius: or cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | though even this isn't comprehensive |
| 23:19.57 | rhkfin | Advertisement: win the first programming competition for OM & win 124e: http://cofundos.org/project.php?id=150 |
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| 23:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | sigius: why do you want to know anyway? |
| 23:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | 124 escudos? |
| 23:21.17 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: Eurodos :) |
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| 23:21.34 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, I have the audio buzz (gsm interference on the mic) problem, and am wondering if theres already a version with the issue solved |
| 23:21.51 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, first I wanted to establish what version I have |
| 23:21.58 | sigius | to beign with |
| 23:22.03 | sigius | begin with |
| 23:22.52 | PaulFert` | sigius: there's a version but it's not on sale yet, i guess. |
| 23:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | sigius: won't help. all devices out there aren't fixed yet. And eventually there'll be devices with same evrsion fixed and unfixed ones |
| 23:23.35 | PaulFert` | BTW, DocScrutinizer, is it confirmed that A7 (or at least A8) will have buzz fully fixed (including headset mic)? |
| 23:23.36 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, the hardware fix to said problem mentions a version A7 but I guess it isnt out yet then |
| 23:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:24.23 | anttna | laughs at http://www.law9.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/gentoo-linux.jpg |
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| 23:24.45 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, is nope to mine or PaulFert`s question ? |
| 23:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | yours |
| 23:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: A8 should as I get it |
| 23:26.26 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: i remember that it should have necessary components in place but was it confirmed by some testing that it fully helps? |
| 23:26.28 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: did I understand you correctly that there will be no obvious way from the revision to tell the fixed from unfixed versions? |
| 23:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | (confirmed) nope, afaik |
| 23:26.54 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, PaulFert` , what the timeline on these (a7 ,a8) ? do you know ? |
| 23:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: not for A6 |
| 23:27.34 | mwester | Ok, well, that's good to know. I won't make any assumptions then. |
| 23:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | sigius: nobody knows |
| 23:27.55 | PaulFert` | Especially i |
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| 23:28.28 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, ok, too bad, thanks for clarifying |
| 23:29.19 | PaulFert` | sigius: the buzz fix for internal mic is not that hard btw |
| 23:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | sigius: why too bad? would you prefer a timeline far into the future? |
| 23:30.07 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, no, but what I take from that is that it will be a while |
| 23:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I didn't say this |
| 23:30.43 | sigius | PaulFert`, to me it is, I have no skill in that area |
| 23:31.19 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: hm, really? I had someone who does a fair amount of soldering and he said it was definitely not trivial |
| 23:31.25 | PaulFert` | sigius: try to find any place where they do electronic repair then |
| 23:31.48 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: not trivial, but doable. |
| 23:31.49 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: And this is our sysadmin who is responsible for switching all our servers over to coreboot / free bios |
| 23:31.56 | sigius | DocScrutinizer, ok, i was presuming that there would some timely announcement |
| 23:32.28 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: it's not hard for any guy who does SMT rework, i guess. |
| 23:32.29 | sigius | PaulFert`, I might, but still then there is risc and cost involved |
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| 23:33.29 | johnsu01 | PaulFert`: that being said, the buzz has not been such a problem for me lately |
| 23:33.31 | johnsu01 | knocks on wood |
| 23:33.33 | PaulFert` | sigius: risc? I doubt it. And cost should be minimal, that'll take less than 30 minutes if you bring the necessary parts and printed instructions and disassembled freerunner. I guess. |
| 23:34.00 | PaulFert` | johnsu01: depends on transmit power and the band used. |
| 23:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | sigius: don't expect any big announcement for start shipping a new minor board revision |
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| 23:36.26 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: am i really being overly optimistic about the buzz fix SOP? |
| 23:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | err which respect? |
| 23:37.27 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: that it's fairly easy and fast |
| 23:37.29 | johnsu01 | if someone would start offering that as a service to do that fix I think they would make some money right now... |
| 23:37.39 | johnsu01 | (like from me) |
| 23:37.58 | mwester | thinks PaulFert` underestimates the difficulty of finding a shop that does SMT rework and is willing to take on such a small project for a reasonable fee. |
| 23:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: largely depends |
| 23:38.34 | anttna | |Marco|:has anyone given the 2007.2 screen locker a recode for shr ? - good call |
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| 23:40.21 | PaulFert` | mwester: yes, looks like that because i see all the guys fixing cell phones near almost every underground station here. And to me finding a guy capable to do that job wouldn't be very hard even if i didn't work where i do. And i think i could do it myself even without equipment... |
| 23:41.39 | eolson | DocScrutinizer, no big announcement about board revisions makes sense, but maybe if someone makes the announcement about this revision, sales would increase. I'm just guessing since buzz is the main issue that might make me wait if I had the money. (Also, I suppose such an announcement should wait until all previous ones are sold by retailers) |
| 23:43.23 | PaulFert` | Ok, really gotta sleep. CU |
| 23:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 23:43.51 | eolson | me too, later |
| 23:44.07 | SeligArkin | buh bye |
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