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| 00:13.34 | muxe | hi, which application I use best on OM2008.12 to take screenshots? |
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| 02:50.14 | else58 | I'm running Om2008.8, version 200809090151 and "opkg upgrade" doesn't seem to remember what it did. If I run it a second time, it "Upgrading & Downloading" all the packages again. |
| 02:50.49 | else58 | Is there something I'm missing I need to do after the upgrade? |
| 02:51.38 | else58 | Note: the upgrade did work |
| 02:55.40 | SeligArkin | else58: slide bacon through the holein the bottom |
| 02:55.48 | SeligArkin | it will nomon it and fix everything. |
| 02:56.01 | SeligArkin | (Note: The above two lines are 100% false) |
| 02:57.39 | else58 | SeligArkin: ok, raw or cooked? |
| 02:57.56 | SeligArkin | both |
| 02:58.02 | SeligArkin | it has a wide varity of taste |
| 02:58.06 | SeligArkin | try cooked first,though |
| 02:58.15 | SeligArkin | if that doesn;'twork, raw |
| 02:58.26 | SeligArkin | still no luck? call a preist,it's posessed. |
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| 02:59.02 | SeligArkin | but in all seriousness |
| 02:59.21 | SeligArkin | it sounds like it is failing to write the changes it made back to thepackage database, check permissions on the file |
| 02:59.23 | Dave | :o |
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| 03:19.21 | else58 | SeligArkin: Thanks for the help. I think I found my problem listed here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036358.html |
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| 04:19.41 | slaxxin | hows the fso-paroli os doing anybody have todays image installed |
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| 04:30.15 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
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| 05:12.43 | slaxxin | no rootfs |
| 05:12.51 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.20 | slaxxin | fyp3.01 next |
| 05:14.36 | slaxxin | does it work dave? |
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| 05:48.38 | slaxxin | ooo nos |
| 05:50.24 | slaxxin | Starting download: [######################################### ######## |
| 05:50.37 | slaxxin | i hope thats not bad |
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| 08:08.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:12.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4957 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (4 files): |
| 10:12.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Patches to recover from Qi's denial of clock surprise attack. |
| 10:12.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Fixed a misnomer as well. |
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| 10:46.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4958 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (NOTES series use-camera-clock.patch): Bring it to state as posted. |
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| 11:43.45 | matholio | how is openmoko these days? |
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| 12:07.51 | PaulFert` | matholio: busy with gta03, having all kinds of fun solving issues with gta02. |
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| 12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | anybody interested in a German (European) bulk order for https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=111 |
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| 12:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 |
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| 12:58.22 | tomboy64 | DocScrutinizer, you have any idea how to tell the hg-fetcher not to try for mirror-fetching? |
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| 13:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope, sorry |
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| 13:23.27 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable |
| 13:23.57 | Bert_2 | and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) |
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| 13:27.37 | anttna_ | Bert_2: Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable |
| 13:27.39 | anttna_ | I had this problem too. I also had it with zhone & fyp then flashed om2008:12 to read messages |
| 13:27.46 | anttna_ | then when I flashed fyp again sms maker worked. No idea why or if it is a registered bug |
| 13:28.45 | Bert_2 | anttna_: I use FSO on my NAND with zhone and that works fine |
| 13:29.04 | Bert_2 | here in SHR I can read the messages but I can't reply or write new ones |
| 13:33.37 | anttna_ | fyp is nand too |
| 13:33.43 | anttna_ | if that helps |
| 13:34.04 | Bert_2 | I tried Fyp on my SD card |
| 13:34.13 | Bert_2 | (I'd like to keep FSO on NAND as a backup) |
| 13:34.35 | Bert_2 | on my system fyp had problems with my GSM (it didn't find it) |
| 13:34.45 | Bert_2 | (GSM meaning the modem) |
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| 14:06.19 | SeligArkin | looks arond |
| 14:07.30 | Bert_2 | *look at SeligArkin* |
| 14:07.46 | SeligArkin | throws a ball of bacon at Bert_2 |
| 14:08.26 | Bert_2 | eats bacon |
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| 14:17.57 | Dave | :) |
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| 14:33.07 | Infoport | hello! anyone have success with MOKO11 GSM flash? |
| 14:33.16 | Dave | Info! |
| 14:33.29 | Dave | and yes, a couple who have tried here reported success :) |
| 14:34.26 | Infoport | with the dd command... do you change the name on output, or leave as-is |
| 14:34.28 | Infoport | dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 14:34.30 | mwester | I've done three so far. Only one to go, but I don't remember which GTA0x it is that still needs flashing... |
| 14:34.49 | henk | Infoport: change it to your sd card! _not_ a partition on the sd... |
| 14:35.18 | henk | Infoport: there is a README.txt that explains the process. |
| 14:35.31 | Infoport | oh ok...I'll give it another try |
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| 14:36.06 | Infoport | where is the README.txt? I found two identical explanations, in Community and GSM Flashing (both wiki) but neither gave cut-n-paste type detail |
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| 14:36.27 | henk | Infoport: flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz in that tarball |
| 14:36.36 | henk | Infoport: there's the .image and the readme. |
| 14:38.03 | Infoport | thanks!! I didn't notice the readme file, b/c I extracted it into a directory that already had files |
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| 14:40.04 | Infoport | hehehe, I guess the wiki also says to untar to the *device*, but it really helps to have been given an example as the README does |
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| 14:41.38 | Dave | Info :P |
| 14:41.42 | Dave | yep! |
| 14:41.53 | Dave | pester Zorkman if need be ;) |
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| 14:43.18 | Zorkman | Infoport: i did |
| 14:43.37 | Zorkman | i just followed the readme |
| 14:43.53 | Zorkman | dd'd it to my microsd card and everything went fine |
| 14:44.19 | SeligArkin | ItA BACON!1!1111onenoneoneoneone |
| 14:44.37 | Zorkman | mmmmm bacon |
| 14:44.45 | Zorkman | you have some eggs to go with that SeligArkin? |
| 14:44.54 | SeligArkin | Zorkman: nope |
| 14:44.55 | Infoport | it looks better now, seems to be doing something |
| 14:45.33 | Zorkman | i got some error message about btusb and hci usb failing but you can just ignore them |
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| 14:52.02 | Infoport | does the GSM update finish with text in lime-green and white? I cant tell if it says D_o_n_e above the Angstrom logo |
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| 14:52.40 | henk | iirc there is green text when it's finished. |
| 14:53.45 | Infoport | they should really RECONSIDER that text.white text on a green background it hard toread |
| 14:54.58 | Zorkman | Infoport: yes that is correct |
| 14:55.19 | Zorkman | Infoport: remove batt and reboot, everything went well |
| 14:55.45 | Zorkman | got to run now |
| 14:55.46 | Zorkman | bye |
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| 14:57.38 | SeligArkin | Zorkman: mind returning thismovie forme? |
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| 15:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | green means "done". no need to read actual writing |
| 15:21.24 | mwester | very, um, "windows-like". :p :-D |
| 15:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I should reword that a little |
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| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | well it's a quick&dirty beta approach anyway. And I didn't find any decent fontsize for console |
| 15:22.56 | mwester | How's things, DocScrutinizer? Any new projects come your way yet? |
| 15:23.29 | morricone | is there a gui on fso for WLAN? |
| 15:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | alsa still on todo list. |
| 15:23.44 | lindi- | morricone: fso distro or fso reference implementation? |
| 15:23.47 | DaveMoko | ~_~ |
| 15:23.48 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 15:24.37 | morricone | lindi-, dist, milestone 5 |
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| 15:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | decent uSdImage also pending |
| 15:25.24 | DaveMoko | hot |
| 15:25.40 | lindi- | morricone: no idea about the dist |
| 15:25.58 | lindi- | morricone: debian dist has plenty of wlan UIs already not specific to freerunner :) |
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| 15:29.24 | slaxxin | theres a working wifi gui on fyp 3.01 |
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| 15:44.05 | DaveMoko | what's happn slaxxin? |
| 15:44.16 | rhkfin | Heinervdm: Any ideas what to do with opkg.org..? |
| 15:44.47 | rhkfin | or anyone else..? |
| 15:45.00 | Heinervdm | did something happen after the post on the mailinglist? |
| 15:46.05 | rhkfin | Some packages have been fixed but many still fail, I think because opkg.org code.. maybe.. I don't think anything changed there. |
| 15:47.35 | Heinervdm | someone mentioned dpkg-scanpackages last time |
| 15:47.54 | Heinervdm | i think that tool would be the best to use |
| 15:49.08 | slaxxin | slackpkg |
| 15:49.10 | DaveMoko | dpkg \o/ |
| 15:49.12 | slaxxin | :) |
| 15:49.16 | DaveMoko | slaxpkg? |
| 15:49.36 | slaxxin | MokoDave wats up? |
| 15:50.28 | Heinervdm | dpkg-scanpackages works fine with opk and ipk packages |
| 15:50.55 | DaveMoko | :D |
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| 15:53.22 | rhkfin | Tips for a place to easily set up a mailing list? Google requires gmail account to join?! |
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| 15:53.43 | slaxxin | maybe that these files comes from everywhere, instead of from a single server |
| 15:53.59 | slaxxin | could that be the cause?? |
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| 15:54.05 | rhkfin | slaxxin: ~they aren't, they're copied to opkg.org |
| 15:54.11 | slaxxin | oo |
| 15:54.17 | rhkfin | The problem is with the opkg.org repsitory |
| 15:54.26 | slaxxin | kill it |
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| 15:54.47 | Heinervdm | rhkfin: did you have debian an tried dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 15:54.51 | rhkfin | repository sounds like a better idea than isntalling packages with urls.. |
| 15:54.54 | rhkfin | Heinervdm: nope.. |
| 15:55.18 | slaxxin | i try it |
| 15:55.41 | rhkfin | nice! |
| 15:56.10 | rhkfin | If tobias can't help I think we'll need to ask for him to give access to the server or create a temp/mirror repository.. |
| 15:56.38 | rhkfin | tobias/opkg.org |
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| 15:57.44 | slaxxin | too much alfa software |
| 15:58.39 | rhkfin | slaxxin: yes/no.. There are many apps that are nice to demonstrate the capabilities of FR.. |
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| 16:10.33 | slaxxin | dpkg-scanpackages: command not found |
| 16:10.56 | slaxxin | operator malfunction probly |
| 16:12.07 | Heinervdm | slaxxin: its in dpkg-dev package |
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| 16:20.11 | gmaxwell_ | Can someone suggest a root/kernel image that works on GTA01 ? |
| 16:20.56 | gmaxwell_ | my old GTA01 has been running QT, but since they discontinued it and I need to get pand on it for some testing, I thought I'd toss on a current FSO image. Mistake; doesn't finish booting. |
| 16:21.57 | joejoe | hi, how can i run application on my laptop with displaying it on Freeruners display? I tried it according to wiki, but there is something wrong and i do not know how to figure out what is wrong. |
| 16:24.20 | joejoe | so i had logged on freeruner "ssh root@192.168.0.202", runned "xhost +" on it, and then i tried "DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 tangogps" on my desktop, but i was not able to connect on X Server (the message was something like there is no display) |
| 16:25.31 | henk | joejoe: what does 'xhost' on the FR say? |
| 16:25.51 | joejoe | root@om-gta02:~# xhost + |
| 16:25.51 | joejoe | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 16:26.39 | joejoe | and the message on my laptop was: $ DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 tangogps |
| 16:26.39 | joejoe | (tangogps:5937): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 192.168.0.202:0 |
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| 16:26.57 | henk | ah right. that's probably because the xserver on the FR isn't listening on the network. |
| 16:27.17 | joejoe | so where i should start in /etc/X11 ? |
| 16:29.04 | PaulFert` | gmaxwell_: SHR works on GTA01 |
| 16:30.14 | henk | joejoe: i'd use sshs X11Forwarding |
| 16:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | ordered 3pcs 5pol-extension ;-) |
| 16:32.43 | joejoe | i have right now found "-nolisten tcp" in /etc/X11/Xserver |
| 16:32.48 | gmaxwell_ | PaulFert`, Thank you! |
| 16:33.25 | henk | joejoe: yes, but there's a reason 'nolisten' is the default... |
| 16:33.42 | PaulFert` | gmaxwell_: Do not think it's as "polished" and "end-user friendly" as qtopia, but it has a great potential. |
| 16:34.10 | henk | joejoe: it's unencrypted, almost no authentication available and generally considered insecure. |
| 16:34.16 | henk | joejoe: why not just use ssh? |
| 16:34.29 | joejoe | because it is not working |
| 16:34.39 | henk | works fine here... |
| 16:34.46 | gmaxwell_ | PaulFert`, Frankly I don't care how well it works. I need something with a working kernel, working bluetooth, and working alsa. (using the GTA01 as a second endpoint for some voice over bluetooth walkey talky stuff :)) |
| 16:35.38 | joejoe | $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 16:35.38 | joejoe | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 16:35.38 | joejoe | root@om-gta02:~# ssh -X imlich@192.168.0.200 |
| 16:35.39 | joejoe | WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-X' |
| 16:35.39 | joejoe | Host '192.168.0.200' is not in the trusted hosts file. |
| 16:35.39 | joejoe | (fingerprint md5 d4:8f:ff:0a:ee:6e:10:4a:cd:f8:22:c6:b4:fa:ac:c0) |
| 16:35.41 | joejoe | Do you want to continue connecting? (y/n) y |
| 16:35.43 | joejoe | imlich@192.168.0.200's password: |
| 16:35.47 | joejoe | Linux imlich-laptop 2.6.28-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 5 21:49:36 UTC 2009 i686 |
| 16:35.49 | joejoe | The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; |
| 16:35.53 | joejoe | the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the |
| 16:35.55 | joejoe | individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. |
| 16:35.57 | joejoe | Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by |
| 16:35.59 | joejoe | applicable law. |
| 16:36.03 | joejoe | To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit: |
| 16:36.03 | joejoe | http://help.ubuntu.com/ |
| 16:36.05 | joejoe | *** System restart required *** |
| 16:36.07 | joejoe | Last login: Tue Mar 3 19:41:14 2009 from brokenmoko |
| 16:36.09 | joejoe | imlich@imlich-laptop:~$ tangogps |
| 16:36.11 | joejoe | (tangogps:6706): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 16:36.13 | joejoe | imlich@imlich-laptop:~$ |
| 16:36.15 | joejoe | i do not know i see "ignoring -X" |
| 16:40.44 | lindi- | joejoe: 'WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-X''? |
| 16:40.44 | henk | joejoe: wtf? would you PLEASE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!? |
| 16:40.44 | henk | joejoe: that's what pastebins are for! |
| 16:40.44 | Dave | :D |
| 16:40.44 | joejoe | sorry, did not know better way, i will use pastebin nexttime |
| 16:40.45 | henk | joejoe: ah, your 'ssh' is probably 'dbclient', a small ssh client from the package dropbear. |
| 16:40.45 | joejoe | yep |
| 16:40.45 | joejoe | thats correct |
| 16:40.45 | PaulFert` | gmaxwell_: i don't own a GTA01, so i can't really say if any reasonably recent kernel works :( It's supposed to work, some people use it, but some users (who can't say what exactly is wrong) has troubles. So it can be possible you'll be stuck with .24 on GTA01 unless you compile something yourself and be prepared to debug a little (that's a guess). |
| 16:40.45 | henk | joejoe: 1. place "DISPLAY=:0.0" before your ssh command 2. dbclient doesn't know Xforwarding. you probably need openssh for that. |
| 16:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | joejoe: I'd think you need to use this ssh command at your PC, not at FR ;-) |
| 16:40.45 | PaulFert` | gmaxwell_: also if you plan to use SCO profile be prepared that it's routed to PCM interface by default and some cool trick is needed to switch it to usb (HCI). |
| 16:40.46 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable |
| 16:40.46 | Bert_2 | and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) |
| 16:40.46 | gmaxwell_ | PaulFert`, Well, I can debug, but I'd rather work on other things. .24 should be fine. I'll see. |
| 16:40.46 | gmaxwell_ | PaulFert`, I'm not using bluetooth audio. So all is good. I'm using bluetooth to carry datagrams. |
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| 16:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-03-11 17:35:38] <joejoe> $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 16:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-03-11 17:35:38] <joejoe> root@om-gta02:~# ssh -X imlich@192.168.0.200 |
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| 16:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | this doesn't look to me like making much sense |
| 16:43.30 | henk | DocScrutinizer: it's for showing an app that's running on the host on the fr |
| 16:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | yeah that'S what it looks like |
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| 16:46.36 | joejoe | okay, thank you guys, i have installed openssh-ssh package and it works right now |
| 16:47.16 | henk | :) |
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| 17:02.38 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable |
| 17:02.39 | Bert_2 | and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) |
| 17:03.17 | henk | Bert_2: "unstable" |
| 17:03.19 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: reinstall alsa states, probably you messed them somehow |
| 17:04.57 | Bert_2 | henk: I know, but I just want to know whether I did something wrong or not |
| 17:05.11 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: that'll fix the sound, right ? |
| 17:05.19 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: how about the SMS stuff ? |
| 17:05.33 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: i can't see how can the sound not work when you have the right alsa state files. |
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| 17:06.03 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: as to the SMS, you don't post a single error message, how can anyone guess what's going wrong? |
| 17:07.17 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: it gives me the usual error message that it sigfaulted, what button do I have to press to get more info then ? |
| 17:07.35 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: start it from the terminal and pastebin the backtrace? |
| 17:07.39 | slaxxin | bert did u reboot? |
| 17:08.03 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: btw, can you try to move/remove your sqlite database with the messages (is there any in SHR?)? |
| 17:08.07 | Bert_2 | slaxxin: I'm booting into SHR now to have a look at that stuff now, just waiting for the auth to come up |
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| 17:08.54 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: no, really. If the application segfaults, you're supposed to show the backtrace. |
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| 17:09.23 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: and don't forget that all elementary apps segfault when DISPLAY is unset. |
| 17:09.33 | PaulFert` | (that's ok, will be fixed upstream later) |
| 17:11.22 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: as you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/1358309 there's no extra info, it just segfaults |
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| 17:12.48 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: no backtrace == i have nothing to say |
| 17:13.43 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: got any idea how to get more info ? |
| 17:14.34 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: imho the best you can do here is provide SHR devs with backtrace |
| 17:15.20 | SpeedEvil | well - best is a patch. But... |
| 17:15.56 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: how can I get a backtrace, in /var/log/ there's nothing useful, and if I call it from a terminal is just segfaults without any extra info |
| 17:16.40 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ensure that your DISPLAY is set properly. Then do "gdb `which openmoko-messages`". Then "run". Then after it segfaults "bt full". |
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| 17:17.21 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: does openmoko-messages use a DB for storing messages? If yes, try to remove it. |
| 17:17.35 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: if you don't want to help to debug the problem, of course. |
| 17:17.56 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: of course I want to help debug the problem |
| 17:18.13 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: then please provide the backtrace as suggested :) |
| 17:18.26 | Bert_2 | gdb command not found :s |
| 17:18.45 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: is it possible that I don't have the command |
| 17:18.54 | eolson | . o O (also, you could try moving the dir/file instead of remove, so you can put it back later) |
| 17:19.08 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: it is. opkg install gdb should help |
| 17:19.29 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: and what does that app do ? |
| 17:19.35 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: gdb? |
| 17:19.45 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: yes |
| 17:19.52 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: GNU Debugger |
| 17:20.01 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: helps to debug obviously |
| 17:20.48 | PaulFert` | mrmoku`: ping. Do you think it's worth trying for an end-user to help to debug segfault in openmoko-messages? |
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| 17:22.44 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: gdb 'which openmoko-messages' was it, right ? |
| 17:22.58 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: no, it should be backticks |
| 17:23.33 | Bert_2 | okey, and then ? |
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| 17:24.02 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: after you run gdb, you have gdb prompt. In that enter "run" and press enter. |
| 17:24.02 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: and then ? |
| 17:24.04 | henk | Bert_2: irc != verbal conversation. you can scroll up! |
| 17:24.40 | henk | well, obviously _you_ can't, but theoretically your irc client has the possibility... |
| 17:24.42 | PaulFert` | henk: do you know how to use OE debug packages btw? |
| 17:24.43 | Bert_2 | henk: I did scroll up but I tought he mistyped something because if I do run it errors |
| 17:24.53 | henk | PaulFert`: nope |
| 17:24.54 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: show the output |
| 17:25.08 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: Ne executable file specified. |
| 17:25.12 | PaulFert` | henk: because i've never needed to use external symbols files. |
| 17:25.22 | henk | PaulFert`: me neither... |
| 17:25.23 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: what does "which openmoko-messages" say? |
| 17:25.25 | Bert_2 | Use the "file" or "exec-file" command |
| 17:26.21 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: undefined command: "which". Try "help". |
| 17:26.31 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: not inside GDB |
| 17:26.55 | Bert_2 | ow woops |
| 17:27.13 | henk | Bert_2: right... very sensible... |
| 17:27.17 | henk | shakes his head |
| 17:28.05 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: it return /usr/bin/openmoko-message |
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| 17:28.28 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: then i see no reason why gdb `which openmoko-message` can not work. |
| 17:28.35 | henk | layer 8 |
| 17:28.49 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: and if I say in gdb "exec-file openmoko-messages" and then type run it seems to start debugging |
| 17:29.17 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ok, if you want it that way... Have you ensured your DISPLAY set properly? |
| 17:29.36 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I'm doing it right on the moko so I don't have to |
| 17:29.39 | henk | Bert_2: it'd probably have started as well if you had done what PaulFert` told you... |
| 17:29.44 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ok, that's good enough. |
| 17:29.50 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: did it segfault? |
| 17:30.40 | Bert_2 | it says a lot of times (no debugging symbols found) and then asks whether I want to continue or not |
| 17:30.47 | Bert_2 | I guess I want to continue, right ? |
| 17:30.49 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: yes |
| 17:31.21 | Bert_2 | this time there was some info about GSM mode checking, ignore it and continue ? |
| 17:31.36 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: yes, continue until it segfaults. |
| 17:32.15 | Bert_2 | the app came up now, should I do the opperation that makes it segfault ? |
| 17:32.23 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: yes |
| 17:32.57 | Bert_2 | after the operation gdb seems to make it hang |
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| 17:33.06 | DaveMoko | bert bert bert |
| 17:33.21 | Bert_2 | I get some info about functions that are called |
| 17:33.21 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: that's ok. Do "bt full" and pastebin the relevant output. |
| 17:33.28 | Bert_2 | but none seem disturbing |
| 17:33.50 | Bert_2 | it still asks to press return to continue |
| 17:33.56 | Bert_2 | continue or quit ? |
| 17:34.08 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: continue |
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| 17:40.50 | DaveMoko | rooly! |
| 17:41.00 | rooly | yo yo |
| 17:41.35 | DaveMoko | \o/ |
| 17:41.36 | rooly | asks dave what's up |
| 17:41.45 | DaveMoko | just workin' hard :P |
| 17:41.57 | rooly | good for you |
| 17:42.01 | rooly | i have a date tonight |
| 17:42.08 | DaveMoko | ooh |
| 17:42.16 | DaveMoko | anything good? |
| 17:42.24 | rooly | quite |
| 17:42.31 | DaveMoko | anyone I know? :P |
| 17:42.41 | rooly | gimme 5 minutes to watch wozniak make a fool of himself, and then i'll show you a picture |
| 17:42.43 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: http://pastebin.ca/1358335 |
| 17:42.48 | DaveMoko | hah, okay :) |
| 17:43.05 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: that's the full report |
| 17:44.27 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: Probably that'll be enough for the SHR devs to debug the issue. Can you describe in detail what you do to trigger it? |
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| 17:45.06 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: Also, are sure you're fully updated/upgraded? |
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| 17:45.48 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I can start the messages app, I can view text messages and delete them but as soon as I try to compose a new one or answer a message the app segfaults, also trying to sms someone from my contacts segfaults |
| 17:46.10 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ok, good description. Give me a minute. |
| 17:46.44 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: I upgraded a few hours ago and I'm checked again a minute ago and there seem to be no new updates (don't forget I'm running unstable and not testing) |
| 17:50.44 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: ok, this is comfirmed to be a know bug in the shr-unstable, related to the usage of new revision of EFL. It was announced on the mailing list and investigation is ongoing. |
| 17:50.58 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: thanks for your patience. |
| 17:51.16 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: okey cool, I tried searching for bugs but I couldn't find a bug tracker, is it private ? |
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| 17:51.56 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/report |
| 17:52.23 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: ow, are those odd tickets bugs :S |
| 17:52.31 | henk | [SHR] why is /dev/mmcblk0p2 mounted on /media/mmcblk0p2? nothing about it in /etc/fstab. just installed and rebooted SHR-Testing... |
| 17:52.37 | rooly | DaveMoko: here ya go: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1292/215/108/1545750073/n1545750073_30089449_3546.jpg |
| 17:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | screams and swears. Stupidity everywhere. Scientific TV-mag: "these computers need as much energy as a atomic plant can produce PER YEAR" |
| 17:53.16 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: I'm not sure what the state this bugtracker is in. But anyway there was an announcement of your particular problem at the shr mailing list. |
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| 17:53.36 | rooly | what computers, DocScrutinizer? |
| 17:53.37 | henk | DocScrutinizer: rofl, which one? which station? |
| 17:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | 3sat, nano |
| 17:53.54 | rooly | maybe a plant of atomic size... |
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| 17:54.20 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: okey, that's good news I guess, now I just have to find out how long it will take before they release a new version of shr-unstable or when they will upload a fixed package |
| 17:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | nah, power != energy |
| 17:54.35 | PaulFert` | Exactly |
| 17:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | energy = power * time |
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| 17:55.30 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: looks like journalists all over the world don't try to understand anything even at school. |
| 17:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | but for a SCIENTIFIC MAG i'd expect a higher standard |
| 17:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: (which computers) whole internet infrastructure |
| 17:59.27 | rooly | so...okay... |
| 17:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | incl server farms |
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| 17:59.55 | DaveMoko | yo |
| 18:00.38 | DaveMoko | rooly, good luck man :) |
| 18:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway if you replace s/per year/per minute/ nothing will change, the statement doesn't take this time value |
| 18:03.40 | PaulFert` | Bert_2: at least now you know how to produce a backtrace (btw, if you want it to have even more info, just opkg install libframworkd-phonegui-efl-dev or whatever package you want to debug (with -dev suffix)). :) |
| 18:04.34 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: okey, thanks |
| 18:04.52 | Bert_2 | PaulFert`: if I ever start doing compile-able languages I can atleast debug them :p |
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| 18:13.56 | joejoe | i am thinking, that i found and repaired bug in tangogps |
| 18:14.13 | joejoe | is here someone who have problems with unstability of 0.96? |
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| 18:14.28 | joejoe | so any tester? |
| 18:16.50 | slaxxin | couldnt change the maps to /media/card |
| 18:17.23 | slaxxin | it is what shr testing has -correct? |
| 18:17.35 | tomboy64 | slaxxin, that bug exists since at least 0.9.5 |
| 18:17.42 | slaxxin | ok |
| 18:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: I'm more interested in wozniak making a fool ;-) |
| 18:17.59 | rooly | lol |
| 18:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: of course that's not been any statement about your GF in spe :D |
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| 18:19.42 | Dave | :D |
| 18:20.08 | slaxxin | teletubbie going mad in a gay pride parade." |
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| 18:20.12 | slaxxin | yikes |
| 18:20.12 | Dave | damn fool |
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| 18:20.56 | slaxxin | watch out be careful |
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| 18:24.16 | ChristW | I'm trying to install knjmokowifi (on FSO m. 5) using the knjrepositiry, but apparently php526 isn't available from that repository? |
| 18:25.36 | SeligArkin | Yay! My phone shiped today |
| 18:27.05 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: Wow |
| 18:27.16 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: what are you going to do with it first? |
| 18:27.37 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: don't know yet. :P |
| 18:27.40 | mwester | suggests to throw it out the window after stomping on it, just to save time. |
| 18:28.38 | Dave | \o/ |
| 18:28.42 | Dave | ROBOTS |
| 18:28.59 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: i'd suggest upgrade GSM firmware ;) |
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| 18:32.16 | SeligArkin | PaulFert`: I am going tosee if it works with my sim card beforeI do anythinglike that, because I am parinoid about stuff like that. :P |
| 18:32.54 | PaulFert` | SeligArkin: you can't brick GSM modem AND moko11 fixes 2 quite nasty bugs, so i recommend to do it anyway. |
| 18:33.25 | SeligArkin | I see |
| 18:34.51 | SeligArkin | and I think I locked up thunderbird |
| 18:35.22 | SpeedEvil | you can't brick the modem? |
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| 18:35.35 | SpeedEvil | I thought that you could in principle stomp the bootloader |
| 18:35.45 | SeligArkin | OR CAN YOU!? |
| 18:36.05 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: you can't stomp the ROM bootloader. |
| 18:36.21 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: :) |
| 18:36.27 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: i'm not |
| 18:36.45 | SeligArkin | I'm scheduled to get it the 13th |
| 18:37.01 | mmontour | "can't" sounds like a challenge! |
| 18:37.09 | SeligArkin | yeah |
| 18:37.11 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 18:37.44 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: as i've already said numerous times, a dedicated person can render his gsm modem unusable by damaging the calibration data. But simple typo is really not enough for that. |
| 18:37.55 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert`: k - I've managed to miss that I think every time you've said it. |
| 18:38.06 | SpeedEvil | tattoos it on his left earlobe. |
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| 18:39.03 | SeligArkin | Awww why are they uding ground shiping? I am only 300 miles away! |
| 18:39.04 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: but it won't be bricked even after that, technically speaking ;) ROM bootloader RULES :) |
| 18:39.13 | SeligArkin | They should just parachute it out of a plane! |
| 18:39.27 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert`: indeed - I'm liking the stm32 - RS232 ROM bootloader. |
| 18:40.05 | lindi- | PaulFert`: how about making it possible to backup the data? |
| 18:40.37 | DaveMoko | :P |
| 18:40.58 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: For that you can use JTAG as well. But LPC2xxx has it too, and AT89C51 and many others :) But if you're a developer, you've SPI or JTAG programmer anyway :) Still being able to flash via UART is cool, i agree :) |
| 18:41.03 | PaulFert` | lindi-: it is possible. |
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| 18:41.56 | PaulFert` | lindi-: but i wouldn't suggest to publish any instructions, because it will be misinterperted and used to damage the data instead ;) |
| 18:42.26 | SpeedEvil | wants a phone set to 47W output. |
| 18:42.44 | DaveMoko | :O |
| 18:42.53 | DaveMoko | Does not phonepute! |
| 18:43.42 | SeligArkin | I want a tazer phone |
| 18:43.51 | DaveMoko | :D |
| 18:43.54 | SeligArkin | like mike made on burn notice |
| 18:44.06 | DaveMoko | or from bond |
| 18:44.17 | SeligArkin | indeed |
| 18:44.21 | SeligArkin | that would be epic |
| 18:44.28 | DaveMoko | easy too |
| 18:44.42 | SeligArkin | someone needs tomod the openmoko that way and publish an idiots instructions NAO |
| 18:44.44 | DaveMoko | I wonder if it would be better at making phone calls than the freerunner :p |
| 18:45.01 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 18:45.10 | DaveMoko | Sadly, this is likely. |
| 18:45.31 | SeligArkin | eep |
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| 18:46.16 | SeligArkin | how hard is it to type on the moko? |
| 18:47.11 | SpeedEvil | easy. |
| 18:47.18 | SpeedEvil | I can get 100wpm on the GTA01 |
| 18:47.26 | SpeedEvil | if I use it to prop up my keyboard. |
| 18:47.43 | SeligArkin | I see... |
| 18:47.51 | SpeedEvil | Really, the best I've gotten on the on-screen keyboard (some time ago) was about 20wpm |
| 18:47.56 | SpeedEvil | but that's on a very old keyboard |
| 18:48.20 | mwester | uses his gta01 as a dual-function device. |
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| 18:49.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tesco.com/superstore/product/promo.aspx?prodId=56082421 |
| 18:49.08 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:49.49 | leinir | Not logged in... |
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| 19:21.09 | slaxxin | did i miss it? |
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| 19:25.22 | PaulFert` | slaxxin: zhone is a testing app for testing frameworkd. |
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| 19:28.40 | xHans | moin moin, my company is developing a mobile application and I want to make sure we work on OpenMoko |
| 19:29.12 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:29.21 | xHans | the java page makes it seem like j2me isn't yet available for OpenMoko |
| 19:29.26 | SpeedEvil | What's it written in? |
| 19:29.35 | xHans | j2me thus far |
| 19:29.39 | PaulFert` | xHans: no, it's available. With jalimo, iirc. |
| 19:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: this afternoon a huge silverish white object moved up the sky and vanished in the clouds some distance from my flat ;-) |
| 19:29.54 | xHans | PaulFert`: cool |
| 19:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: which is quite strange as airport is some 3km away |
| 19:33.25 | mwester | was it full of space aliens, or was it in fact just an ordinary object that some might be unable to identify ;) |
| 19:34.04 | mwester | (here in the US we can tell the difference quite easily; the REAL flying saucers only appear to people with few teeth driving beat-up old pickup trucks down dark country roads. |
| 19:34.06 | mwester | ) |
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| 19:34.32 | max_posedon | hm... jalimo isn't 1:1 if compare to j2me as I know |
| 19:34.39 | max_posedon | xHans, I suggest you to test it |
| 19:35.09 | xHans | max_posedon: don't worry, we'll test :) |
| 19:37.28 | PaulFert` | xHans: anyway, OM users strongly prefer native applications ;) |
| 19:39.08 | slaxxin | mokoapps |
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| 19:42.48 | xHans | PaulFert`: yeah, but it's easier for me to sell a port than building a new application :) |
| 19:43.08 | xHans | but, since we're talking about it, what's the native stack based on? |
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| 19:44.35 | PaulFert` | xHans: if you're talking about generic GUI development, then you can use almost any gui toolkit you like. EFL and elementary is all fancy now, but you can as well choose Gtk, Qt, wxWidgets, FLTK etc ;) Just make sure it's already in OE. |
| 19:45.13 | xHans | PaulFert`: OK, danke |
| 19:46.21 | PaulFert` | xHans: in general, if you can start your j2me app on a PC using only free software, it should be somehow possible to start it on freerunner too. Except if some arm-specific error creeps in. ;) |
| 19:46.43 | xHans | PaulFert`: excellent |
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| 19:47.25 | PaulFert` | xHans: after all freerunner is just a small arm computer. Many people run Debian on it. |
| 19:47.25 | xHans | our app is based on a Free Software application and our goal is for it to remain Free Software |
| 19:48.12 | PaulFert` | xHans: cool :) |
| 19:48.19 | SpeedEvil | In practice, I don't think any of the existing stacks really support java. |
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| 19:51.01 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java#Status_on_Openmoko looks promising |
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| 19:52.03 | SpeedEvil | promising, yes. |
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| 20:05.24 | SM2k | Mar 11 20:05:02 om-gta02 user.warn 2009.03.11 20:05:02 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Enabling device |
| 20:05.41 | SM2k | is that meaningful wrt to me getting a ppp connection? |
| 20:07.38 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.56 | slaxxin | as long as i have a good 8 gig+ micro card it works |
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| 20:15.56 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2cmN4lG3Z |
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| 20:16.22 | SM2k | trying to figure out what's going wrong there. |
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| 20:17.10 | SM2k | there's <framework.patterns.processguard.ProcessGuard object at 0x40c8f170> got data from child: 'ppp error: "TypeError: \'NoneType\' object is not callable\\n"\nppp output: \'Connect script failed\\n\'\n' before the chat output... |
| 20:17.44 | PaulFert` | SM2k: your ppp output states CME error |
| 20:17.53 | PaulFert` | SM2k: That's the main culprit |
| 20:17.57 | SM2k | pretend I'm an idiot... :-) |
| 20:18.34 | SM2k | so the CME error is not related to the traceback above, it happens to *be* teh realo problem? |
| 20:19.09 | PaulFert` | SM2k: if you're sure that the pin is not needed or already entered and you still have CME error, try some more times. Probably it's some network-related thing or a calypso wierdness. |
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| 20:20.15 | SM2k | I'm not sure at all that I need no pin TBH, I think I have t-mobile |
| 20:20.31 | PaulFert` | SM2k: Do you need to enter pin to make normal calls? |
| 20:20.32 | SM2k | amusing that I'm not even sure what carrier these phones are using |
| 20:20.52 | SM2k | I don't use this phone for anything at all |
| 20:21.03 | SM2k | at least other than programming |
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| 20:21.46 | SM2k | one of these phones does receive calls and text messages periodically. might I have any luck if I switched SIM cards do you think? |
| 20:22.38 | PaulFert` | SM2k: you might, yes. Also it's probable that you need to enable GPRS service for your contract. |
| 20:22.50 | SM2k | I'm betting it is fwiw |
| 20:22.54 | SM2k | but I'll check |
| 20:23.04 | SM2k | (clearly I'm not paying the phone bill here) :-) |
| 20:24.18 | PaulFert` | SM2k: btw, what distro are you using? |
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| 20:24.28 | SM2k | FSO on one and 2008.12 on the other |
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| 20:25.18 | SM2k | I'm just starting to become aware of the role frameworkd is playing here. so perhaps that is part of my as-yet unsolved GPS issues |
| 20:25.55 | PaulFert` | SM2k: btw, is that sim 3G-capable? |
| 20:26.04 | PaulFert` | SM2k: and have you upgraded your GSM firmware? |
| 20:26.22 | SM2k | I don't know |
| 20:26.48 | SM2k | is there an easy way to know that? |
| 20:28.16 | PaulFert` | SM2k: i'd recommend to upgrade GSM firmware anyway for the sake of compatibility with all sim cards out there, also moko11 has 2 nasty bugs fixed. |
| 20:28.56 | SM2k | moko11? don't know what that is |
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| 20:30.25 | PaulFert` | SM2k: GSM firmware version |
| 20:30.26 | SM2k | ah |
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| 20:30.52 | SM2k | I wasn't aware any of the firmware on these devices could be altered |
| 20:32.07 | PaulFert` | SM2k: i'd recommend to do it. Read GSM/Flashing at OM wiki. |
| 20:32.15 | SM2k | thanks |
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| 20:32.47 | PaulFert` | SM2k: if you're not comfortable with typing commands, then you may want to try Joerg's uSD image that will do everything automatically. |
| 20:33.02 | SM2k | I couldn't do it via ssh? |
| 20:33.14 | SM2k | and fwiw, the FSO's keyboard isn't bad |
| 20:33.28 | PaulFert` | SM2k: you can, just follow the wiki (but read it all and use ROM bootloader from the beginning) |
| 20:34.09 | SM2k | rgr. well I've swapped sim cards. I'll give that flashing a gander in a minute |
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| 20:34.32 | PaulFert` | SM2k: and flashing is actually safe unless you _really_ mess with fluid.exe |
| 20:34.46 | SM2k | good to know |
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| 20:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, if you don't have a very recent kernel, but an empty uSD, the uSD-image way is much less stress and easier |
| 20:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | SM2k: |
| 20:35.06 | Zoup_ | any idea on how to change fyp background? it seems not using lxde setting |
| 20:35.32 | mwester | what's a fyp? and an lxde? |
| 20:35.51 | Zoup_ | mwester: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fyp |
| 20:36.27 | SM2k | DocScrutinizer: I'm not afraid of complexity... :-) thanks for the tip. |
| 20:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 20:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually flashing manually can be fun |
| 20:37.16 | PaulFert` | And fast |
| 20:37.43 | mwester | and it works |
| 20:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, relative ;) |
| 20:37.46 | Dave | Joerg... hahahaha |
| 20:37.50 | Dave | Yes... fun... >:) |
| 20:37.59 | Dave | Kind of how we so enjoy breaking things... ;) |
| 20:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 20:38.27 | rhkfin | Does the 'community' repository still exist? How dicfficult it's to get apps to the 'official' repos. Just crossed my mind thinking of opkg.org situation.. |
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| 20:39.07 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: the most reasonable way is to get stuff to OE |
| 20:39.19 | SM2k | swapping chips yields new errors :-) |
| 20:39.26 | Dave | Joerg, which reminds me, when I get a chance later this week, I'd like to discuss some more design flaws I found... |
| 20:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: sure |
| 20:40.53 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2XNpQCG3B |
| 20:41.14 | SM2k | that looks quite a bit healthier tho |
| 20:41.33 | SM2k | in a what-the-heck-do-these-logs-mean-anyways sort of way :-) |
| 20:42.29 | PaulFert` | SM2k: +EXT ERROR |
| 20:42.36 | SM2k | yep |
| 20:43.05 | PaulFert` | SM2k: probably you didn't wait enough for it to register to network? |
| 20:43.42 | SM2k | so... that's the time between when I ran frameworkd -s ogsmd --daemonize and attempted the connect script? |
| 20:44.05 | Dave | :) |
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| 20:44.18 | SM2k | Mar 11 20:43:47 om-gta02 local2.info chat[1629]: +CME ERROR |
| 20:44.18 | SM2k | yay. :-P |
| 20:44.47 | mwester-laptop | Sheesh. You broke your CME. |
| 20:45.05 | SM2k | CME is what exactly? |
| 20:45.18 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: oe.. I guess so.. Any instructions anywhere how to do it or something.. about 100 times harder than okpg.org.. |
| 20:45.48 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: opkg.org is a mess, you know it like no other ;) |
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| 20:46.35 | PaulFert` | SM2k: this other SIM ever worked in FR? |
| 20:46.49 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: I do but it was nice to be able to easily upload apps there. Submitting to OE makes it a lot more difficult.. :/ |
| 20:46.54 | SM2k | I get wrong numbers calling me... |
| 20:47.05 | SM2k | and text messages from tmobile warning the minutes are about to expire |
| 20:47.24 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: proper app management needs enough effort, as i see it. |
| 20:47.40 | PaulFert` | SM2k: in freerunner? |
| 20:47.46 | SM2k | yp |
| 20:47.48 | SM2k | yep |
| 20:48.09 | PaulFert` | SM2k: so gprs should work provided it's enabled by you provider. |
| 20:48.17 | PaulFert` | s/you/your/ |
| 20:48.20 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: right.. On the other hand I'd say some 60% of the apps in opkg.org are stuff that should be 'built in' in the OS.. |
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| 20:48.52 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: To be part of the OS it's even more needed to be in OE. |
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| 20:49.23 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: right |
| 20:49.33 | SM2k | PaulFert`: also provided I don't need to update the firmware |
| 20:49.48 | SpeedEvil | How does APN setting work? |
| 20:50.14 | SM2k | SpeedEvil: in which distro? |
| 20:50.23 | SM2k | FSO, it's just an arg to the dbus call |
| 20:50.24 | PaulFert` | SM2k: you still should upgrade firmware. |
| 20:50.36 | SM2k | PaulFert`: right. let's start there then |
| 20:50.37 | PaulFert` | SM2k: btw, are you sure you have your APN set right? |
| 20:50.55 | PaulFert` | SM2k: wap looks suspicious to me :-/ |
| 20:51.04 | SM2k | PaulFert`: I've tried both wap.voicestream.com and internet2.voicestream.com per the docs |
| 20:51.19 | PaulFert` | SM2k: the second sounds better |
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| 20:53.44 | SM2k | by the way, I have to killal python; frameworkd -s ogsmd --daemonize to get frameworkd to init gsm, but that disables all othert subsystems. is there a config setting I'm missing somewhere? |
| 20:55.35 | PaulFert` | SM2k: usually users just start frameworkd (without options) and then start Zhone or other dialer. |
| 20:56.02 | rhkfin | Does the bash of 2008.12 know functions? Looks like it doesn't.. |
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| 20:56.45 | mwester-laptop | is it bash you speak of, or is it the built-in sh (which is a link to busybox)? |
| 20:57.05 | mwester-laptop | But functions are pretty basic, and even the busybox /bin/sh knows about functions. |
| 20:57.28 | rhkfin | built-in sh |
| 20:57.50 | rhkfin | function this { } |
| 20:57.52 | rhkfin | this |
| 20:57.54 | rhkfin | etc |
| 20:58.47 | SM2k | PaulFert`: I didn't even have a dialer installed.... :-) |
| 20:59.03 | PaulFert` | SM2k: opkg install zhone then |
| 20:59.14 | SM2k | Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... |
| 20:59.14 | SM2k | Collected errors: |
| 20:59.14 | SM2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.14 | SM2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.18 | SM2k | eh? :-) |
| 21:00.23 | SM2k | and I did update immediately before running that command fwiw |
| 21:03.10 | PaulFert` | SM2k: hm, what version are you running? Is it pre MS5? |
| 21:03.27 | SM2k | I have 5.1 |
| 21:03.42 | SM2k | actually... I think this is unstable |
| 21:03.48 | SM2k | yep |
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| 21:04.38 | SM2k | and zhone doesn't appear to be in any of the unstable srcs |
| 21:04.57 | spydon | is there any guide on how to set a background pic on OM 2008.12? |
| 21:09.20 | rhkfin | spydon: let me know if you find how to do it |
| 21:09.31 | rhkfin | I'm using illume-theme |
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| 21:10.30 | spydon | rhkfin, okay |
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| 21:16.53 | spydon | rhkfin, isn |
| 21:17.19 | spydon | isn't there a graphical tool in illume to change wallpaper? |
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| 21:30.52 | SM2k | aww man, that GSM flashing was *easy* :-) you guys had me all tripped out with that ZOMG BRIKKIT mumble |
| 21:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's just as easy as reading the instructions |
| 21:32.24 | SM2k | 8-) |
| 21:32.39 | mwester-laptop | Far too many things are waaay too hard with Om; it makes it difficult for people to believe that some things (like the GSM firmware) are really quite easy. |
| 21:32.54 | SM2k | I've learned that one must pay close attention to commands and sequences listed in the wiki |
| 21:33.04 | kirun | BRIKKIT? Is that like a social news site for gadgets that don't work? |
| 21:33.32 | SM2k | I think it's LOL catz for Oh my god you're gonna break it. :-) |
| 21:34.04 | mwester-laptop | I lost my BUKKIT! |
| 21:37.56 | spydon | How do I make illume not crash all the time :P |
| 21:38.13 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s21NgKjLMm |
| 21:38.45 | SM2k | truly. what in the hell is the point in starting syslog with no logging? :-) it's like /dev/null for system messages! |
| 21:38.55 | SM2k | is it to save disk churn? |
| 21:39.00 | lindi- | spydon: why are you using such an experimental window manager if you are not developing it? :/ |
| 21:39.29 | SM2k | lindi-: cause nobody told any of us it's developmental? :-D |
| 21:39.32 | mwester-laptop | SM2k: Saves wear on your flash memory, which has a limited lifetime. Use logread to read the log buffer. |
| 21:39.36 | spydon | lindi-, isn't it quite stable on sht? |
| 21:39.41 | spydon | shr* |
| 21:40.02 | lindi- | SM2k: is it in any of the mainstream distros? |
| 21:40.33 | SM2k | illume? enlightenment? |
| 21:42.07 | lindi- | SM2k: e17 |
| 21:42.20 | SM2k | lindi-: I'm running it this very moment |
| 21:42.36 | SM2k | Foresight Linux fwiw |
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| 21:44.21 | spydon | lindi-, do you know how to set the wallpaper with asu then? |
| 21:44.26 | SM2k | lindi-: that said, I admit to packaging it my damn self, cause I found it convenient for etk development. :-) |
| 21:45.07 | lindi- | SM2k: that doesn't count then ;) |
| 21:45.23 | lindi- | spydon: xsetroot should work everywhere? |
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| 21:45.44 | SM2k | sure it does. :-) foresight will be shipping a version of the distro that uses E by default at some point soon. |
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| 21:46.09 | lindi- | SM2k: but this is the first time i've heard of foresight :) |
| 21:46.59 | SM2k | it's worth a look if you feel froggy. it's the largest desktop distro built with conary |
| 21:48.01 | mwester | "feel froggy"? no, I have no urge to eat flies at the moment. |
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| 21:48.11 | SM2k | NOM NOM NOM NOM |
| 21:48.46 | spydon | lindi-, I have no idea how to use that and I didn't find it on the wiki :P |
| 21:50.26 | lindi- | spydon: but it's not openmoko specific in any way |
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| 21:50.59 | spydon | lindi-, i see, do you know the command for it? |
| 21:51.07 | Wonka | hm. frogger.... |
| 21:51.08 | lindi- | spydon: yep, 'xsetroot' |
| 21:51.21 | Wonka | could someone port "frogger" to OM, please? |
| 21:51.24 | spydon | lindi-, I don't have that on my phone :( |
| 21:51.25 | lindi- | spydon: it was written in 1987 and is a core part of X |
| 21:51.47 | spydon | I have xset but not xsetroot |
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| 21:51.49 | lindi- | spydon: so it's surely in fedora, ubuntu, debian, suse, ... |
| 21:52.28 | Wonka | $ dpkg -S xsetroot |
| 21:52.28 | Wonka | x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xsetroot |
| 21:52.52 | lindi- | a 22-year-old standard utility that just works :-) |
| 21:53.32 | lindi- | spydon: if you want to invent something fancier you better at least know the original one :) |
| 21:53.32 | spydon | I don't get it... Am I going to set the wallpaper with xsetroot on my ubuntu box to my phone? |
| 21:53.44 | lindi- | spydon: funny thing is, you can actually do that |
| 21:54.05 | spydon | err right :P |
| 21:54.39 | lindi- | spydon: maybe i'm bit too openly critical here :) |
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| 22:38.05 | spydon | isn't there any guide anywhere for how to change the wallpaper? |
| 22:38.08 | SeligArkin | why would you want to do that? |
| 22:38.25 | SeligArkin | That could bring down the phone network! |
| 22:38.40 | spydon | What? |
| 22:39.30 | SeligArkin | I don't know,I was being random |
| 22:39.49 | SeligArkin | also, woot |
| 22:39.56 | SeligArkin | my phone is on it's way |
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| 22:48.17 | spydon | where is the enlightenment config? |
| 22:48.39 | Sharwin_F | spydon, which distro? |
| 22:48.50 | spydon | om 2008.12 |
| 22:49.38 | Sharwin_F | spydon, I think it has e config manager hidden |
| 22:49.52 | spydon | okay |
| 22:50.18 | Sharwin_F | spydon, try looking for the bin name and running it from the terminal maybe? |
| 22:50.40 | Sharwin_F | it has a wallpaper section |
| 22:51.05 | spydon | ok, i will try thatr |
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| 23:47.20 | swab_ | hi there! i'm trying to get xtscal to work, but it just says "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success" which seems a little odd.. anybody knows this or has a suggestion on how to find out what's the problem? |
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