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| 01:05.02 | Fougner | avtobiff, hi! |
| 01:05.13 | avtobiff | Fougner, hi |
| 01:05.17 | Fougner | nice to have a swede in the channel |
| 01:05.18 | Fougner | uhm |
| 01:05.33 | avtobiff | ... |
| 01:05.35 | Fougner | så du har skaffat dig en freerunner? |
| 01:05.51 | avtobiff | the box is in sweden yes, i am in london |
| 01:05.59 | avtobiff | i have a freerunner? |
| 01:06.44 | Fougner | so you're not swede? :D |
| 01:07.46 | avtobiff | if it is important to you i can be |
| 01:08.05 | Fougner | haha, no it's not, I just made an assumption you are |
| 01:08.22 | avtobiff | so you wondered if i have a freerunner? |
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| 01:09.04 | Fougner | yeah, just wanted to know, got it recently? |
| 01:09.10 | avtobiff | a while ago |
| 01:09.28 | avtobiff | it has been lying on the shelf for a while |
| 01:09.42 | Fougner | oh, hehe, haven't had to try it out yet, have you? |
| 01:09.54 | Fougner | *the time |
| 01:10.06 | avtobiff | yes, but i was not especially impressed by the om software. i could not make phone calls. :( |
| 01:10.12 | avtobiff | in sweden that is |
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| 01:11.29 | Fougner | yeah, I'm quite disappointed too |
| 01:12.52 | Fougner | it works, but still... the lack of some necessary apps that should be quite easy to implement makes it even worse |
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| 01:14.02 | Fougner | but fortunately the wheels are rolling, if you know what I mean |
| 01:14.56 | avtobiff | yeah |
| 01:14.58 | Fougner | more people getting interested, more projects and so on.. |
| 01:16.17 | Fougner | it takes time to spread such a huge open source project.. |
| 01:16.33 | Fougner | so, what's happening in London? =) |
| 01:16.47 | avtobiff | i just installed debian on my freerunner |
| 01:16.52 | avtobiff | but it doesn't want to boot it |
| 01:17.12 | avtobiff | it says the sd card is 3mb (it is 8gb) so i think i'll call it a day... |
| 01:18.59 | Fougner | hehe |
| 01:19.20 | Fougner | some uSD is not working |
| 01:19.26 | mjr | a separate 3 mb kernel partition? |
| 01:19.28 | mjr | (ah well) |
| 01:19.40 | avtobiff | mjr, no i have a separate 16 mb partition |
| 01:19.51 | Fougner | avtobiff, how's the partition table? |
| 01:20.02 | avtobiff | 16 mb, *, 128 mb |
| 01:20.03 | Fougner | what's the brand? |
| 01:20.14 | avtobiff | it is 8gb and it is sandisk |
| 01:20.44 | avtobiff | now i can't even open the slot for the sd card... |
| 01:20.45 | avtobiff | fsck' |
| 01:20.58 | Fougner | fsck? |
| 01:21.05 | Fougner | filesystem check ;) |
| 01:21.18 | avtobiff | i used it as a curse word |
| 01:21.23 | Fougner | hehe, evil card |
| 01:21.42 | Fougner | oh, how to pronounce it? :P |
| 01:22.28 | avtobiff | you mean f-suck? |
| 01:22.34 | avtobiff | it is pronounced exactly so |
| 01:23.39 | Fougner | okay ^^ |
| 01:24.58 | avtobiff | where is the latches on the microsd card holder? |
| 01:25.15 | shellevil | av: you slide it towards the edge of the case to lock |
| 01:25.26 | avtobiff | i want to unlock |
| 01:25.27 | shellevil | avtobiff: and away from the edge of the case to unlock |
| 01:25.42 | shellevil | and then it sort of flips up weakly when you shake it |
| 01:25.43 | avtobiff | ... |
| 01:25.52 | avtobiff | it is so damn tight |
| 01:25.58 | shellevil | or is that the SIM, and the microSD is at right angles |
| 01:26.12 | shellevil | it's inline with the card longest direction anyway |
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| 01:28.32 | Fougner | the uSD is the holder located under the SIM holder |
| 01:28.36 | avtobiff | it is tight |
| 01:28.37 | avtobiff | yes |
| 01:28.40 | avtobiff | i can't budge it |
| 01:28.53 | slaxxin | toothpick |
| 01:28.56 | avtobiff | i have done it before since i have 8gb card now |
| 01:28.59 | Fougner | and I usually take the simcard and stick it in there |
| 01:29.03 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.23 | avtobiff | i would break a toothpick |
| 01:29.24 | Dave | FOUGNER |
| 01:29.27 | Fougner | DAVE! |
| 01:29.42 | Fougner | what are you up to, you weird norwegian girl? :D |
| 01:29.52 | Dave | :P |
| 01:29.56 | Dave | trying to relax |
| 01:30.01 | slaxxin | its gonna flip across to the other side |
| 01:30.04 | Dave | (therefore, doing nothing relating to openmoko) |
| 01:30.13 | Dave | :P |
| 01:30.18 | Fougner | oh |
| 01:30.22 | Fougner | as usual |
| 01:30.24 | Fougner | ;) |
| 01:30.25 | Dave | :D |
| 01:30.25 | avtobiff | aaah got it |
| 01:30.27 | avtobiff | slaxxin, ty |
| 01:32.02 | slaxxin | yay |
| 01:32.23 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 01:33.25 | Fougner | \o/ |
| 01:33.28 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 01:33.29 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 01:33.30 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 01:33.32 | Fougner | apt shoot Dave |
| 01:33.33 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave in the eye with a phase pistol! |
| 01:33.40 | Fougner | apt clock |
| 01:33.40 | apt | hmm... clock is <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
| 01:33.53 | Fougner | apt date |
| 01:33.54 | apt | It is now 2009.03.09 1:33:54 GMT |
| 01:33.58 | Fougner | cool |
| 01:34.00 | Fougner | apt cool |
| 01:34.01 | apt | methinks cool is there, there, everything is going to fix out |
| 01:34.11 | Fougner | apt humble |
| 01:34.23 | Fougner | apt install Dave |
| 01:34.24 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall Dave-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
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| 01:43.33 | Dave | :O |
| 01:43.45 | Dave | Who's doing what to me? :o |
| 01:43.52 | Dave | eww, rpm? :p |
| 01:43.55 | Dave | kinky |
| 01:44.03 | Dave | I'm not into that kind of stuff, fougner ;p |
| 01:44.06 | slaxxin | dave ya ever been snipe huntin |
| 01:44.34 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 01:44.44 | Fougner | apt snipes Dave |
| 01:44.51 | Fougner | apt seduce Dave |
| 01:44.58 | Fougner | apt kill Dave |
| 01:44.58 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged fluxgraviton gun at Dave |
| 01:45.07 | Fougner | apt smash Dave |
| 01:45.07 | apt | ACTION flings an anvil in Dave's general direction |
| 01:45.23 | Fougner | apt search Dave |
| 01:45.25 | slaxxin | <~~~~~~ brought home a snipe |
| 01:45.57 | Fougner | a bird? :o |
| 01:46.01 | Fougner | as a pet? |
| 01:46.10 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.11 | Fougner | or for dinner? |
| 01:46.19 | slaxxin | :) |
| 01:46.22 | Fougner | hehe |
| 01:46.28 | Fougner | very well, bon appetit |
| 01:46.47 | slaxxin | ahh it was a long time ago |
| 01:47.02 | Fougner | you're eating at the computer? o.O |
| 01:47.10 | slaxxin | no |
| 01:47.17 | Dave | RAWR |
| 01:47.54 | slaxxin | i just thought dave would like to know just how hillbilly i am |
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| 01:49.36 | slaxxin | as always correct in your assumption ,, as always dave |
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| 01:52.03 | Dave | YEEHAW |
| 01:52.09 | Dave | thanks slaxin :) |
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| 01:54.18 | Fougner | oh, slaxxin is a hillbilly? :D |
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| 01:54.50 | Fougner | what's 'hillbilly' about goin birdhunting? |
| 01:55.40 | Fougner | uhm, slaxxin, did you just come home from the birdhunt or what? =) |
| 01:56.59 | slaxxin | naaaa i was 12 or something an i brought this bird home an my grandmother looked it up in the book an said it was a wilson snipe |
| 01:57.26 | mwester | calls his local PETA contact |
| 01:59.41 | Dave | :O |
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| 02:04.15 | Dave | iedereen bent dwaze |
| 02:04.29 | slaxxin | we kill mountain lions too |
| 02:04.36 | Dave | :( |
| 02:04.55 | slaxxin | or they will eat u |
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| 02:06.59 | Dave | sicu |
| 02:11.05 | slaxxin | i live where the red fern grows:) |
| 02:13.00 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:30.34 | Fougner | uhm, whatta? |
| 02:30.38 | Fougner | what is PETA? |
| 02:34.39 | Fougner | http://mj.barczyk.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/peta_03.jpg |
| 02:34.40 | Fougner | yay |
| 02:34.43 | Fougner | okay, I like it :D |
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| 02:46.07 | jhass840 | Anyone here use SHR, preferably the latest testing image? |
| 02:46.24 | Dave | Fougner :P |
| 02:46.40 | ColdFyre | PETA is EVIL |
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| 02:47.36 | slaxxin | unstable |
| 02:47.36 | Fougner | ColdFyre, Why? :O |
| 02:47.51 | Fougner | at least some beautiful women works for them :P |
| 02:47.55 | slaxxin | me icons are gone again |
| 02:48.20 | ColdFyre | they are a psychotic and persistant animal rights group |
| 02:48.25 | jhass840 | slaxxin: do you have problems with gtk+-fastscaling? |
| 02:48.31 | ColdFyre | that will harass you for eating a burger |
| 02:48.36 | Fougner | haha |
| 02:48.38 | Fougner | that's funny |
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| 02:49.02 | Fougner | ColdFyre, okay maybe they're a little weird, but they got some things right.. |
| 02:49.17 | Fougner | the fur thing |
| 02:49.30 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 02:49.35 | Fougner | a little |
| 02:49.35 | Fougner | =) |
| 02:49.49 | Fougner | but also, humans have in all times used animal furs for clothing and stuff |
| 02:50.02 | Fougner | it's a cruel world we live in |
| 02:50.14 | Fougner | I hope someone invents the clean car soon >.< |
| 02:50.32 | Fougner | gaaah |
| 02:50.33 | slaxxin | yea u will relize that very quickly when u live outside |
| 02:50.43 | Fougner | slaxxin, what? =) |
| 02:51.39 | Fougner | oh, I'm tired now |
| 02:51.42 | Fougner | better go to sleep |
| 02:51.57 | Fougner | someone ever tried bazaar? |
| 02:52.05 | Fougner | I think this is the SCM I'll stick with |
| 02:52.15 | Fougner | feels simple |
| 02:52.24 | Fougner | yet advanced, when I want to |
| 02:52.26 | Fougner | well |
| 02:52.28 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 02:52.29 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 02:52.30 | Fougner | good night apt |
| 02:52.32 | Fougner | :D |
| 02:52.35 | Fougner | apt good night |
| 02:52.36 | apt | Good night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 02:53.15 | Fougner | haha |
| 02:53.18 | Fougner | apt is sick |
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| 02:56.32 | ChandleWEi1 | how to stop fso suspend ? |
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| 03:23.50 | CompuHacker | How goes? |
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| 04:02.58 | slaxxin | how about fixing tango gps map config? |
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| 04:04.48 | Dave | what to do? |
| 04:06.04 | slaxxin | i cant seem to change the maps to my /media/card/maps |
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| 04:20.15 | hector__ | Hi Everyone |
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| 05:40.02 | pabs3 | which alsa .state file should I restore to get rid of the high-pitched loud noise during calls in Qtopia/Qt Extended? |
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| 06:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re1c9aaf50586 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: (log message trimmed) |
| 06:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make sure we keep valid prefixes over continuation lines |
| 06:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: This is important when submitting commands with PDU. |
| 06:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: After receiving the "\r\n> " continuation the parser would reset the |
| 06:12.31 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: valid prefixes so in case of |
| 06:12.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: AT+CMGW=23 |
| 06:12.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: > <PDU> |
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| 07:25.11 | p0seidon | my freeruuner display broke. |
| 07:25.23 | p0seidon | has someone had the same (bad) experience ?? |
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| 07:27.56 | pabs3 | define broke |
| 07:28.15 | p0seidon | the "white screen of death" as some call it |
| 07:28.22 | p0seidon | the whole screen is white |
| 07:28.50 | pabs3 | you need a kernel upgrade |
| 07:29.18 | p0seidon | ... and a crack is visible |
| 07:29.43 | p0seidon | got now camera right now, so I cant take a snapshot |
| 07:30.17 | pabs3 | where is the crack? mine seems to have one too, around the bottom middle |
| 07:30.43 | pabs3 | the white screen of death ticket is http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
| 07:34.04 | p0seidon | it dont think its a kernel panic or something, since it never displays any different than a white screen with a crack. |
| 07:34.46 | p0seidon | )-: |
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| 07:39.50 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rf2021027f3b9 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): otapi: Update org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS API |
| 07:39.56 | PaulFert` | p0seidon: does it persist over a power-off/on cycle? |
| 07:40.21 | p0seidon | jop |
| 07:40.28 | p0seidon | it does |
| 07:40.45 | p0seidon | battery in > power on > white screen w. crack |
| 07:40.53 | p0seidon | displays nothing else |
| 07:41.02 | p0seidon | guess ssh will work, but did not try |
| 07:41.11 | PaulFert` | p0seidon: did you by any chance apply excessive force to it? |
| 07:41.17 | p0seidon | nop |
| 07:41.23 | p0seidon | thats the strange thing |
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| 07:42.43 | p0seidon | i was at university. i used it, it worked all fine. it put it in my pants pocket and ride home by bike |
| 07:42.52 | p0seidon | 10 min later i take it tou |
| 07:43.06 | p0seidon | .. it out and woops there goes the white screen |
| 07:45.00 | PaulFert` | p0seidon: :( |
| 07:45.11 | PaulFert` | p0seidon: probably DocScrutinizer will tell you more about it |
| 07:47.14 | p0seidon | thx. gotta get breakfast now ;-) |
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| 08:15.45 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: what should I tell when screen cracked ? |
| 10:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFert`: driving bike you might not even notice hiiting some part of bike with FR's screen |
| 10:39.53 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: probably you know some way of obtaining a spare part or smth... |
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| 10:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | trisoft |
| 10:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | TPE isn't prepared to send any spare parts to end users. neither is Suzhou |
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| 10:42.31 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: ok, that's a valuable info. Will tell p0seidon next time i see him. |
| 10:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | let me put it this way: for TPE its less expensive to send a whole device than a part |
| 10:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | all resellers get a certain amount of "spare devices" to canibalize for repair purposes, afaik |
| 10:47.00 | PaulFert` | BTW, on some PDA's a mechanical measure exist to protect the screen from accidental touches and more severe impact. Too bad there's nothing like that for FR. |
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| 10:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | talking bout clamshell? |
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| 10:50.37 | PaulFert` | DocScrutinizer: smth like that: http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2005/02/23/luxurioeser_business_pda_hp_ipaq_hx4700/hx4700-flip.jpg |
| 10:50.55 | PaulFert` | And it's easily detachable. |
| 10:51.55 | rhkfin_ | PaulFert`: go to the nearest HW shop, buy some thick transparent plastic sheet & duct tape :) |
| 10:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, the ME of Neo is conceived very ambivalent |
| 10:52.30 | PaulFert` | rhkfin_: not easily detachable, not allowing easy access to the battery compartment and disassembly of the whole device. |
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| 10:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | I did bad things to some devices and yet never seen a broken LCD-glass |
| 10:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | there are reports of devices surviving drops from 2.floor |
| 10:56.34 | rhkfin_ | Any reports of broken touch screen by water/snow? |
| 10:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | not to my knowledge |
| 10:57.11 | rhkfin_ | ok |
| 10:57.14 | rhkfin_ | good |
| 10:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | I shocked LCM with freeze spray (-58C) |
| 10:57.57 | rhkfin_ | and it still worked (a bit slow i'd guess :) |
| 10:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | not impact *at all* (except of occasional triggering WSOD) |
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| 11:00.01 | rhkfin_ | not bad :) |
| 11:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | may it got slow. didn't notice as I just used text console |
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| 11:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | nothing really bad anyway. no "c'mon start to scroll" |
| 11:03.21 | rhkfin_ | :) |
| 11:03.28 | rhkfin_ | Sound's good |
| 11:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah arctic proof |
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| 11:05.03 | rhkfin_ | 'Finland proof' (except someone just told to have some problems with the touch screen after it got some snow on it ..) |
| 11:05.03 | shellevil | There is a layer of air above the LCD, between it and a touchscreen |
| 11:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | 2h freezer (-22C). Worked like charm. Takile feeling even improved ;-) |
| 11:05.15 | rhkfin_ | heh :) |
| 11:05.23 | shellevil | this will somewhat insulate it. |
| 11:05.51 | shellevil | moisture getting into the phone, or condensation may in principle cause problems |
| 11:05.58 | rhkfin_ | yes.. |
| 11:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 11:06.22 | rhkfin_ | freeze / room temperature - cycle is no good I guess.. |
| 11:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | though r-ts is sealed |
| 11:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin_: and yet that's exactly what I did |
| 11:07.19 | shellevil | temp cycling can be bad - even though it takes it once |
| 11:07.52 | shellevil | going from -20 to +20 a hundred times or so, ... |
| 11:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmm ok |
| 11:08.32 | shellevil | though many are used to stuff dying in that sort of circumstance. |
| 11:08.40 | shellevil | AIUI |
| 11:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | noncondensing it should take it |
| 11:08.49 | shellevil | designing for extremes is fun! |
| 11:09.21 | shellevil | Currently doing a project to take -55C for a few days |
| 11:09.28 | shellevil | Balloon. |
| 11:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 11:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | forecast? |
| 11:09.59 | shellevil | forecast? |
| 11:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | weather obs & forecast |
| 11:10.17 | shellevil | no |
| 11:10.19 | shellevil | hobby |
| 11:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 11:10.59 | shellevil | just a simple one with some ballast, and filled with hydrogen, to get to ~30Km, and sit there for a bit. |
| 11:11.06 | shellevil | reporting back over HF radio |
| 11:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 11:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | poor mans sputnik |
| 11:11.31 | shellevil | ~30bps or so |
| 11:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | take care of jets! ;-) |
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| 11:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | know Nena "99 balloons"? |
| 11:13.15 | shellevil | It's a 20m diameter foil sphere - they'll avoid it just fine :) |
| 11:13.15 | shellevil | (though impact would not be worse than birdstrike by design |
| 11:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | depending on your local military some ppl might get upset |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'd avoid fingerprints |
| 11:15.35 | shellevil | it's actually legal. |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | where? |
| 11:15.35 | shellevil | for me - this does depend on country |
| 11:15.35 | shellevil | uk |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 11:15.36 | shellevil | Andd yes. (nena) |
| 11:15.36 | shellevil | There is nothing saying the balloon can't be foil - though it may surprise :) |
| 11:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | UK authority is used to deal with a spleeny people ;D |
| 11:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | in D I'm sure you need a pile of paperwork |
| 11:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: use silver foil ;) |
| 11:17.31 | shellevil | goes to take up some floorboards. |
| 11:17.31 | shellevil | wave |
| 11:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | like those emergency blankets |
| 11:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: cya |
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| 11:31.21 | SpeedEvil | doc|work: cheap aluminium foil is actually reasonably priced and suitable - if you can join it |
| 11:31.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer |
| 11:31.46 | SpeedEvil | total budget on this is _low_ - 50 quid for the initial attempt. |
| 11:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, those blankets are more rugged. alufoil rather delicate |
| 11:33.02 | SpeedEvil | that's part of the fun. |
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| 11:33.12 | SpeedEvil | it's actually not delicate - it's quite strong |
| 11:33.17 | SpeedEvil | as long as you don't get a tear |
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| 11:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | but probably blankets too expensive for this null-budget |
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| 11:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | all radar operators will sill their coffee XD |
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| 11:36.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | sPill |
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| 11:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where to get the H2 from for less than 50 bucks |
| 11:50.09 | SpeedEvil | Atmospheric pressure at 30Km is _much_ less than sea-level. |
| 11:51.09 | SpeedEvil | For a first cut - natural gas from my kitchen. |
| 11:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 11:58.05 | Fougner | huuu |
| 11:58.11 | Fougner | soo |
| 11:58.18 | Fougner | anyone experienced with bazaar here? |
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| 11:59.51 | henk | no |
| 12:00.45 | henk | Fougner: are you experienced with metaquestions? |
| 12:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: CH4:16g/mol N2:14g/mol |
| 12:02.18 | SpeedEvil | N - 14g/mol |
| 12:02.24 | SpeedEvil | N2 28g |
| 12:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 12:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 12:04.11 | Fougner | henk, no need to =) |
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| 12:35.00 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: is that a pipe-dream clone? |
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| 12:40.05 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse :D |
| 12:40.23 | Dave | First I thought it was a net ripoff, but then yes, I noticed that :D |
| 12:40.51 | nuclear_eclipse | freakin sweet :) |
| 12:40.58 | Dave | :] |
| 12:41.02 | henk | hm? what are you talking about? |
| 12:42.00 | nuclear_eclipse | henk: http://static.quadpoint.org/irssi/hilightwin.pl |
| 12:42.02 | nuclear_eclipse | oops |
| 12:42.05 | nuclear_eclipse | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4808c32fa0b9a0f21fe3a7e8c1985544.png |
| 12:42.10 | henk | thanks |
| 12:42.13 | nuclear_eclipse | had the wrong url in paste buffer :P |
| 12:42.25 | henk | sweet |
| 12:47.10 | Dave | :) |
| 12:47.48 | Dave | frozen-bubble \o/ |
| 12:48.49 | ike | Frozen bubble? |
| 12:49.13 | nuclear_eclipse | <3 frozen bubble for classtime :P |
| 12:49.31 | Sharwin_F | would be great to have it on the openmoko :D |
| 12:49.44 | SpeedEvil | accel and tap would work ok prolly |
| 12:49.52 | nuclear_eclipse | gotta restart irssi with new configs |
| 12:50.10 | pabs3 | wonders how well primrose would work on the openmoko |
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| 12:54.21 | Dave | :D |
| 12:54.36 | Dave | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3dbe8b7162d816d6599df049c458299f.png |
| 12:54.47 | toggles_w | Dave: !! |
| 12:55.06 | pabs3 | :D |
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| 12:57.24 | Sharwin_F | Dave, do you know where's the package? :D |
| 12:57.41 | Dave | No, sorry... |
| 12:57.47 | Dave | shouldn't be too hard to find though :) |
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| 12:58.27 | CM_work | Ohh.. PipeDreams :D |
| 12:59.09 | Sharwin_F | who are these images from? |
| 12:59.10 | Dave | uh oh, now everybody knows ;) |
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| 13:00.18 | pabs3 | PipeDreams? |
| 13:00.38 | richy | you can get it here: http://www.opkg.org/package_155.html |
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| 13:02.31 | Fougner | :O |
| 13:02.39 | Fougner | CRAAAAAAAAP!!!! |
| 13:02.41 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 13:02.46 | Dave | hides |
| 13:02.58 | Fougner | I think I'm missing something here.. |
| 13:03.09 | Fougner | I'm trying to setup bazaar (bzr) with trac |
| 13:03.28 | Fougner | but trac won't recognize the protocol for bzr |
| 13:03.30 | Fougner | uhm |
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| 13:09.13 | Sharwin_F | would be great this. Is it already implemented in SHR-unstable? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/18184d6d66fd92fbaa69ed6a38f8c819.png |
| 13:09.31 | Sharwin_F | and apply the same with calls |
| 13:11.26 | Fougner | bleh! |
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| 13:13.35 | gromgull | sharwin_f: what illume theme is that? |
| 13:13.45 | gromgull | it looks much cleaner (=faster?) than the default |
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| 13:14.30 | Sharwin_F | gromgull, don't know, but looking throught all the photos I'm seeing lots of good things I didn't know where done :D |
| 13:14.31 | Fougner | gromez, the default for SHR? |
| 13:15.00 | Fougner | it's the unstable branch though.. |
| 13:15.01 | gromgull | ah interesting - so SHR does not use the default FSO theme |
| 13:15.15 | Fougner | gromez, FSO is just a middle layer |
| 13:15.23 | gromgull | the FSO distribution |
| 13:15.24 | gromgull | i mean |
| 13:15.28 | Fougner | yeah |
| 13:15.31 | gromgull | the image you can flash :) |
| 13:15.34 | gromgull | whatever you call it |
| 13:15.35 | Fougner | that's just a demo app |
| 13:15.42 | Fougner | so it's not really a theme, I think |
| 13:15.53 | gromgull | it's the default illume theme |
| 13:16.02 | gromgull | rasterman says it works nicely on more capable devices |
| 13:16.07 | gromgull | Since you also seem to know SHR, what dialer app do they use? Zhone? |
| 13:16.11 | Fougner | rasterman talks bs ;) |
| 13:16.12 | gromgull | i guess not |
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| 13:16.44 | gromgull | :) |
| 13:16.45 | Fougner | I don't know what app they use, but it seems quite integrated |
| 13:17.23 | Fougner | Zhone is, basically, an user interface no? |
| 13:17.45 | Fougner | fsck, what do I know.. |
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| 13:18.07 | gromgull | the UI for phone features, i.e. phoning people, sms, addressbook etc. |
| 13:18.08 | Fougner | anyway, try SHR out.. it's good |
| 13:18.18 | Fougner | exactly. |
| 13:18.20 | gromgull | I did - the image didn't boot so I flashed FSO and played with that instead |
| 13:18.27 | gromgull | but I may try again |
| 13:18.30 | Fougner | oh |
| 13:18.36 | Fougner | SHR unstable branch? |
| 13:18.40 | Fougner | try 'testing' |
| 13:18.43 | Fougner | it should work |
| 13:20.19 | gromgull | no this is a while back |
| 13:20.27 | gromgull | a couple of months at least |
| 13:20.30 | Fougner | oh |
| 13:20.44 | gromgull | I'll try next time I have some time to play |
| 13:20.45 | Fougner | then you should test it |
| 13:20.48 | Fougner | yeah |
| 13:21.12 | gromgull | but currently I've faced the fact that I will never have the phone I wanted out of the moko - so it may take while |
| 13:21.33 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:22.05 | Fougner | maybe GTA03 could be the first phone "working" from factory? |
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| 13:22.25 | Fougner | with a stable base, and then you can install a lot of apps upon |
| 13:22.31 | Fougner | I hope so :D |
| 13:22.41 | Fougner | mwester! :D |
| 13:22.48 | gromgull | Yes - I guess they GTA02 will be the "learning edition", i.e. for openmoko to learn what to do and not do and get the software up to scratch, and gta03 will be the real one |
| 13:23.19 | Fougner | yeah, the first Neo1973 was some "alpha" concept, tryout |
| 13:23.39 | Fougner | then the neo freerunner went public, and a lot of developers got involved |
| 13:23.58 | SpeedEvil | notes 02 was supposed to be the real one. |
| 13:24.15 | Fougner | well, people always rush things SpeedEvil |
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| 13:25.01 | Fougner | as for me, I'm trying to develop a simple webapp, and I think "today I'm going to get this and that done".. but no |
| 13:25.31 | Fougner | at the end of the day I'm happy if I got halway |
| 13:25.33 | laen | If you want "the real one" i guess you better wait for the GTA06? |
| 13:25.35 | Fougner | halfway* |
| 13:25.39 | Fougner | haha |
| 13:25.39 | Fougner | yeah |
| 13:25.42 | Fougner | probably laen |
| 13:25.57 | Fougner | or, well, let's say GTA04 |
| 13:26.00 | laen | had his gf pissed off at the freerunner recently :( |
| 13:26.04 | Fougner | HAHA |
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| 13:26.44 | Fougner | you allow her to use it? oh my.. she's into linux? |
| 13:26.52 | laen | Fougner: the GTA04 is going to be released sort-of at the same time as the 03, release in parralel. |
| 13:27.00 | Fougner | laen, why? :O |
| 13:27.12 | Fougner | so that's development? =P |
| 13:27.16 | SpeedEvil | There are concrete plans for the 04? |
| 13:27.19 | laen | So, they don't learn from eachother, you gotta wait for 1 release to fix it, and one to finish it off.. which is why i think the GTA06 is closed :p |
| 13:27.32 | laen | closer |
| 13:27.56 | laen | Uh, there was a talk on FOSDEM2009 from a Debian-Openmoko guy, he explained OM's plans. |
| 13:28.03 | Fougner | eh |
| 13:28.07 | Fougner | I don't get it |
| 13:28.16 | laen | Go get it then. |
| 13:28.24 | Fougner | ah, hear this |
| 13:28.32 | Fougner | they first release GTA03 public, to get feedback |
| 13:28.52 | Fougner | and then "if" there are bugs in hardware, they improve it and then release the GTA04? |
| 13:28.57 | Fougner | did I get it? :P |
| 13:28.58 | laen | Nope. |
| 13:29.02 | Fougner | aaw.. |
| 13:29.04 | Fougner | I'm stupid |
| 13:29.08 | Fougner | =( |
| 13:29.10 | SpeedEvil | 'a talk' |
| 13:29.12 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 13:29.13 | Fougner | apt shoot Fougner |
| 13:29.14 | apt | ACTION shoots Fougner in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 13:29.17 | laen | They are creating the 03 and 04 in parrallell (remove any r's and l's how you wish). |
| 13:29.21 | SpeedEvil | talks are not sensible ways to reveal important stuff. |
| 13:29.33 | SpeedEvil | at least - not only talks |
| 13:29.44 | laen | So the 04 is getting a better 3D chip and 3g etc, more of a media phone.. the 03 will be cheaper and sort of a follow up. |
| 13:29.53 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, how'd you like it then? in a mail? :P |
| 13:29.54 | SpeedEvil | (though admittedly I haven't been reading the mailing lists) |
| 13:29.57 | laen | And cause the 04 will be harder to complete, it's beeing released a bit later. |
| 13:30.23 | Fougner | oh, 03 follow up for the FR? |
| 13:30.27 | SpeedEvil | laen: talks to those couple of people involved actively in the project that happen to turn up is not a sensible way to reveal info to those in the community. |
| 13:30.44 | laen | SpeedEvil: agreed. |
| 13:30.49 | SpeedEvil | laen: mailing list, and updating the wiki |
| 13:31.14 | Fougner | gah |
| 13:31.17 | laen | But it's the only thing we get to hear.. cause OM isn't quite open about their plans or strategy at all.. we're all humping a Microsoft strategy here. |
| 13:31.42 | Fougner | SpeedEvil and laen, do anyone of you know about DCVS? |
| 13:32.11 | laen | Nope. |
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| 13:32.19 | Fougner | =( |
| 13:32.27 | SpeedEvil | laen: yeah |
| 13:32.29 | Fougner | I really want to get this working |
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| 13:33.15 | laen | What? |
| 13:33.21 | Fougner | WHAT? :D |
| 13:33.24 | Fougner | DCVS! |
| 13:33.30 | Fougner | aah, beautiful weather today, isn't it? |
| 13:33.30 | kasjo | anyone can check this package ? http://www.opkg.org/package_157.html |
| 13:33.34 | laen | Oh. |
| 13:33.36 | Dave | Laen! |
| 13:33.39 | laen | DAVE! |
| 13:33.45 | laen | kasjo: checked. |
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| 13:34.00 | Sharwin_F | kasjo, I've tried it before today :) |
| 13:34.26 | SpeedEvil | The GTA03 and GTA04 pages haven't been updated since december. |
| 13:34.27 | Sharwin_F | kasjo, not so much, but it installed and I think it runs ok |
| 13:34.30 | SpeedEvil | forex |
| 13:34.41 | kasjo | Sharwin_F: ok thx |
| 13:35.05 | Fougner | DAVE! |
| 13:35.18 | Fougner | is booting OM2008.12 |
| 13:35.19 | gromgull | So 03 will still have the same useless glamo chip? ... |
| 13:35.25 | Fougner | I hope nto! |
| 13:35.26 | Fougner | not* |
| 13:35.36 | Fougner | I'd like it to have a nVidia GF 6800GT! |
| 13:36.51 | max_posedon | Fougner, might be you also want x86 cpu?) |
| 13:36.58 | max_posedon | in this case buy laptop) |
| 13:37.06 | Fougner | noooo |
| 13:37.08 | Fougner | x64 :D |
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| 13:37.15 | max_posedon | and have fun with vista and games) |
| 13:37.24 | Fougner | nah |
| 13:37.27 | Fougner | not vista |
| 13:37.36 | laen | gromgull: Nope. |
| 13:37.46 | laen | No glamo in any future device. |
| 13:37.55 | gromgull | good ! |
| 13:38.06 | laen | Sort-of 3D in the GTA03, better 3D in the GTA04. |
| 13:38.15 | Fougner | oh nice |
| 13:38.23 | Fougner | same wifi and bluetooth? |
| 13:38.29 | Fougner | what about camera? |
| 13:38.35 | Fougner | I think I saw some app in the repos |
| 13:39.08 | laen | Don't remember anymore about the wifi and bluetooth.. iirc there was some convo between OM and the atheros chip/driver creators.. |
| 13:39.31 | Fougner | oh |
| 13:39.34 | laen | And i believe i've seen something about 1 chip that integrates bluetooth _and_ wifi at the same time or something. |
| 13:39.36 | Fougner | as usual |
| 13:39.40 | Sharwin_F | do ou know if it would be possible to connect some gadged (ie usb disk) and charge the openmoko at the same time, using a usb hub? |
| 13:39.41 | Fougner | oh, nice |
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| 13:40.12 | Sharwin_F | if not, would be nice to have 2 usb's on the gta03 xD |
| 13:40.15 | Fougner | hmm, would be cool to connect a HDD to the moko |
| 13:40.25 | Fougner | a 2.5" |
| 13:40.28 | max_posedon | Fougner, you could do it now |
| 13:40.35 | Fougner | really? |
| 13:40.37 | laen | Would be cool to have a normal keyboard on the OM :P |
| 13:40.38 | max_posedon | really |
| 13:40.42 | Fougner | wow |
| 13:40.43 | max_posedon | gta02 has usb host mode |
| 13:40.47 | Fougner | yeah I know |
| 13:40.52 | laen | Yeah and that will leech your batts! :p |
| 13:40.59 | Fougner | but I thought it was limited in the current |
| 13:41.01 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, yeah, but you can't charge at the same time, can you? |
| 13:41.08 | laen | Sharwin_F: nope. |
| 13:41.15 | Sharwin_F | so that's the point xD |
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| 13:41.36 | laen | . |
| 13:41.45 | Sharwin_F | for example, I suppouse you can attach a usb cam.. but it would empty the battery fast I suppouse |
| 13:42.10 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:42.12 | laen | Well the cam needs to be powered.. if, like normal cams, it gets it's power from the USB.. well :) |
| 13:42.34 | Sharwin_F | laen, most cameras take power from usb |
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| 13:42.42 | laen | Yup :) |
| 13:42.57 | lindi- | Sharwin_F: with special cable you can charge and act as usb host at the same time |
| 13:43.00 | Dave | We should make a community-based model. |
| 13:43.16 | Dave | While they're working on the GTA03, let's start on the GTA08 :P |
| 13:43.24 | laen | Ah lindi-, my resource for cool and interesting OM stuff :) |
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| 13:43.28 | Sharwin_F | lindi-, how much special? a usb hub dooesn't goes ok? |
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| 13:43.40 | laen | lindi-: wtb howto :) |
| 13:43.48 | lindi- | Sharwin_F: usb hub does not do |
| 13:44.06 | lindi- | laen: wiki has had instructions for this for months ;) |
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| 13:44.14 | Sharwin_F | lindi-, can I buy this cable easily? xD |
| 13:44.25 | laen | Ow dear, sorry lindi- :) |
| 13:44.26 | lindi- | Sharwin_F: i don't think any are commercially sold |
| 13:45.10 | Sharwin_F | lindi-, does it have any specific name to look for it? |
| 13:45.20 | Fougner | dah! what's the first thing I should do when I've got a fresh install of OM2008.12 ? :D |
| 13:45.33 | Sharwin_F | install a terminal? |
| 13:45.36 | lindi- | Sharwin_F: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables |
| 13:45.44 | Sharwin_F | ok thanks :D |
| 13:46.55 | Fougner | heh! |
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| 13:50.12 | spaetz | are you looking for these USB cables? http://www.pcp.ch/PCP-CH-USB-Y-Kabel-1m-Typ-2xA-MiniB-1a14026019.htm |
| 13:50.15 | spaetz | about 5 EUR |
| 13:50.47 | laen | Sweet :) |
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| 13:51.52 | lindi- | Sharwin_F: hmm |
| 13:52.37 | Sharwin_F | hehe thanks :) |
| 13:52.51 | Sharwin_F | I'll bookmark it to look at it in a while |
| 13:53.02 | lindi- | spaetz: have you tested that it works? |
| 13:53.47 | spaetz | I haven't used it yet, no |
| 13:53.59 | laen | lindi-: the description for that cable in stores here says "to give more power to the usb device" .. |
| 13:54.01 | spaetz | but I don't see why it shouldn't work |
| 13:54.31 | lindi- | spaetz: does it include the pull-up resistors? |
| 13:54.43 | Dave | phones are broken... laptops are broken... everything's broken... |
| 13:54.46 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:55.06 | spaetz | lindi-: actually, I don't think there are any resistors included. A bare Y-cable, I think |
| 13:55.19 | lindi- | spaetz: then you need to add the resistors yourself |
| 13:56.18 | spaetz | mmh, probably |
| 13:56.55 | spaetz | I don't really need it, so I'll leave that for some rainy day far in the future |
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| 14:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | spaetz: lindi-, laen: I recommend modifying a USB-hub. most convenient and easy |
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| 14:02.55 | Dave | Doctor doctor |
| 14:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | I got one here, pretty much standard low-budget. Needs two 15k and shorting a schottky, and you have a perfect "Y-cable" with power-plug (powersupply comes with hub!) |
| 14:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/USB-HUB.txt |
| 14:09.33 | tig| | Dave: situation normal then :) |
| 14:09.46 | Dave | :P |
| 14:10.00 | Dave | I should photograph mine |
| 14:10.04 | Dave | though I cheated |
| 14:10.50 | tig| | photo your what? |
| 14:11.05 | tig| | is concerned |
| 14:11.24 | Dave | haha |
| 14:11.28 | Dave | slaps tig |
| 14:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | throws 50KG of candy to the channel and waves |
| 14:12.53 | tig| | I was told not to take candy from strangers..... |
| 14:13.25 | Dave | :D |
| 14:13.33 | tig| | and they don't get much stranger :P |
| 14:13.43 | Dave | YES |
| 14:14.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: is adding the resistor requirement? i think I saw that the hardware could enable/disable the resistor independently of usb mode? |
| 14:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | It'd be better they tought you not to buy smartfones from strangers ;-) |
| 14:15.05 | Dave | hahahahaa |
| 14:15.07 | Dave | :D |
| 14:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: nope, the problem is the R-swapping is done in sync with enabling "charging"/USB-power host mode |
| 14:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: so if you need to take power from usb you want to fit the right Rs |
| 14:17.48 | Dave | Speaking of whih |
| 14:17.59 | Dave | I have to go resolder a laptop power connector now -_- |
| 14:18.02 | Dave | bah |
| 14:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: and as taking power from USB while driving logical protocol hostmode is all that about with Y-cable... ;-) |
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| 14:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: nevertheless many hubs might get away without the Rs. You just need to test |
| 14:20.26 | Dave | yeah, mine worked fine without, but you should try it and see :) |
| 14:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: just switch FR to "chargemode" + "logical host", connect a hub with external power supply and see whether it gets enumerated |
| 14:21.29 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: is it really? |
| 14:21.31 | laen | Dave: wait, what? |
| 14:21.32 | lindi- | let me read the spec |
| 14:21.37 | Dave | holy arcing power connectors batman! |
| 14:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: please rephrase |
| 14:21.52 | |Leto| | can i use fso-gpsd to serve data like fso-gpsd? |
| 14:22.00 | laen | Dave: You're saying it is possible with a powered usb hub without a special cable to be in hostmode and have a keyboard on a hub working with the freerunner charging? |
| 14:22.09 | |Leto| | ok that made sense. |
| 14:22.17 | laen | lol |Leto| |
| 14:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | laen: not with an unmodified hub |
| 14:22.30 | laen | Okay. |
| 14:22.45 | |Leto| | can i use fso-gpsd to serve data on a specific port? so i could run tangogps on my laptop and get gps-data served? |
| 14:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | laen: you still need to feed the 5V to uplink of hub. Otherwise where should FR charge from? |
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| 14:24.14 | laen | Powered USB hub. Hence, power. |
| 14:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | on my hub (http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/USB-HUB.jpg) you need to short D1 to do this |
| 14:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | laen: usually a "powered hub" takes power for own chip and feeding DOWNstream ports, NOT UPstream |
| 14:25.07 | laen | Aha! |
| 14:25.12 | laen | Interesting ":) |
| 14:25.19 | Dave | YES |
| 14:25.22 | laen | I like the light though. |
| 14:25.25 | Dave | Mine has a special switch on it |
| 14:25.35 | spaetz | DocScrutinizer: where's D1 on your image? |
| 14:25.36 | laen | Dave, make one, send me yours. :P |
| 14:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | "short D1" switch? |
| 14:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, erratum: D5 |
| 14:26.33 | spaetz | ok, just discovered your text |
| 14:26.35 | spaetz | ok |
| 14:26.56 | laen | D1 as far as i can see is a chop, D2 and 3 unused.. |
| 14:27.04 | spaetz | would be useful to charge the FR while having a keyboard attached |
| 14:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | you even see the traces leading from upstream port to D5 & F1 fuse |
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| 14:27.24 | Dave | haha |
| 14:27.26 | spaetz | although hanging it off my eeePC lets me do the same :) |
| 14:27.27 | laen | I'd still need a small keyboard. |
| 14:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | and another trace from power-jack to other side of D5 |
| 14:27.55 | laen | I have doubts that extra-power store usb y-cable is gonna work |
| 14:27.58 | laen | . |
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| 14:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is "extra-power store usb y-cable" ? |
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| 14:29.37 | laen | http://www.popelectronics.nl/usb-y-kabel-hama-pr-1892.html |
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| 14:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | laen: ""D1 as far as i can see is a chop"" what U r talking bout? |
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| 14:31.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well, of course now i can't find it from the specs :) |
| 14:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | laen: This type of Y-cable will fit for feeding power to FR and downstream. No way to attach 15k-Rs though |
| 14:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: huh? |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | laen: you need a USB-charger with usb-A receptacle though to feed the power |
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| 14:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | hub solution is way more easy |
| 14:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | to build |
| 14:36.03 | Dave | tries to mount his external cdrom on his freerunner |
| 14:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | laen: of course you mustn't confuse the two usb-A plugs. one is for power only |
| 14:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: should work. just need right storage kernel module :) |
| 14:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: and maybe you should plug in the power supply that comes with your drive |
| 14:38.33 | slaxxin | all u need is an altoids can:) |
| 14:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | Thargoids attack |
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| 14:42.02 | Dave | Joerg, I'm using my hub to power it! :D |
| 14:42.07 | Dave | it seems to work... |
| 14:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup, cheap powered hub should probably work |
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| 14:42.49 | Dave | Hey, at least it works :P |
| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: now if you short your "D5" then FR could charge same time |
| 14:44.06 | Dave | YES |
| 14:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | givven it's not stopping operation of hub with 2pcs 15k missing as soon as you switch to chargemode |
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| 14:44.31 | Dave | I should modify this hub then :] |
| 14:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:45.44 | Dave | maybe I'll add some cool little led too :P |
| 14:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | it's more likely btw for a hub to operate n normal mode despite 2 times 2pcs 15k are at he line (one in hub, one in FR), than it is it might work without any 15k at all |
| 14:45.53 | Dave | or maybe that'll just look stupid |
| 14:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | k folks. another lorryload of candy |
| 14:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 15:05.34 | Fougner | ls |
| 15:05.36 | Fougner | :D |
| 15:05.39 | Fougner | cat apt |
| 15:05.49 | Fougner | apt get Fougner some coffee |
| 15:05.50 | apt | ACTION fetches Fougner some coffee |
| 15:05.58 | Fougner | apt: thank you |
| 15:05.58 | apt | de nada, Fougner |
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| 16:05.09 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:16.05 | johnsu01 | sigh, so much for that Contacts application from pimlico, I open it this morning and all my contacts are...gone. |
| 16:17.10 | tig| | johnsu01: is that on poky? |
| 16:17.23 | johnsu01 | tig|: I don't know what poky is |
| 16:17.46 | tig| | http://pokylinux.org/ |
| 16:17.57 | tig| | but I am guessing that is a no then :) |
| 16:18.03 | johnsu01 | tig|: on Debian |
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| 16:29.28 | spaetz | OE guys, can you add pkg-config as RDEPENDS to your vala.bb ? It complains about missing pkg-config and it's not listed as dependency |
| 16:29.48 | spaetz | valac.bb |
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| 17:04.12 | |Leto| | i'm looking for a recent fennec.bb |
| 17:04.18 | |Leto| | anyone got an idea where to get one? |
| 17:04.25 | |Leto| | or will i have to hack up my own? |
| 17:05.19 | Ainulindale | Check on OE git. |
| 17:07.58 | |Leto| | nice |
| 17:07.59 | |Leto| | thanks |
| 17:08.05 | |Leto| | didn't find it before |
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| 17:46.52 | Denhart | Hi, can anyone help me connecting to wireless, I've been reading on the wiki and I think the "wifi tool" is broken :/ |
| 17:47.11 | Denhart | a wireless AP* |
| 17:47.16 | max_posedon | you can do it from command line |
| 17:47.55 | Denhart | Yeh ino, but it gives me an error |
| 17:48.21 | Denhart | 5sec im just going to reboot and try again |
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| 17:49.35 | Wonka | aaaaargh, what is this? |
| 17:50.19 | Wonka | i am running SHR testing, and "opkg upgrade" complained "Package openssh-sshd (parent openssh-sshd) is not available from any configured src.", same for openssh. |
| 17:50.45 | Wonka | while trying to upgrade from 4.6p1-r6 to 4.6p1-r6.1 |
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| 17:53.07 | max_posedon | I thinked dropbear is main sshd |
| 17:53.19 | Denhart | Is this the right way to connect to a wifi without encryption: First I made a scan with (iwlist eth0 scan) and then to connect i use udhcpc essid ? |
| 17:54.11 | max_posedon | iwconfig eth0 essid |
| 17:54.19 | max_posedon | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 17:54.22 | max_posedon | dhclient eth0 |
| 17:54.25 | max_posedon | smth like this |
| 17:55.01 | Denhart | Ah |
| 17:55.22 | Denhart | Thats properly why it didnt work |
| 17:56.11 | Wonka | max_posedon: i know, but i removed dropbear. |
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| 17:56.31 | Wonka | i downloaded the two IPKs now |
| 17:57.08 | Wonka | http://pastebin.com/m77c50982 |
| 17:57.46 | Wonka | http://pastebin.com/m5099a897 even better |
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| 17:58.11 | Wonka | i do not know where opkg hallucinates the .1 from |
| 18:01.01 | Wonka | sheesh. |
| 18:01.37 | Denhart | Ah i cant even find the darn Wifi tool |
| 18:01.41 | Wonka | after removing the stanzas from /usr/lib/opkg/status manually, it works. those packages were listed as "installed" there, even though i "opkg remove"d them. |
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| 18:11.30 | vandal | evening all! trying to install Debian alongside FDOM but keep getting mount errors at end of the install script. Anyone else had this? |
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| 18:14.24 | Denhart | Ah i just cant get this damned wifi to work :/ |
| 18:15.20 | PaulFert` | Denhart: what's your problem exactly? |
| 18:16.21 | Denhart | Its mostly the fact that i dont know 1. Where to start "The wifi tool" and second I dont know how to do it from the commandline |
| 18:16.42 | Denhart | I've been reading the wiki like a mad |
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| 18:17.04 | Fougner | I'm no good at wifi :) |
| 18:17.09 | Fougner | I had trouble too ^^ |
| 18:17.19 | PaulFert` | Denhart: if you're trying to connect without encryption or with WEP, use iwconfig as usual. If you're trying to connect to WPA, use wpa_supplicant as usual. |
| 18:17.42 | Denhart | Its without encryption |
| 18:17.49 | PaulFert` | Denhart: nothing special about it, like any other WiFi card. |
| 18:19.12 | PaulFert` | Denhart: if you still have troubles, you might try wmiconfig "maxperf" setting, it sometimes improves stability. Unfortunately, the chip in FR is not currently compatible with all access points out there, so YMMV. |
| 18:19.29 | Denhart | Ah |
| 18:19.43 | Denhart | Well i'll try |
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| 18:21.03 | Fougner | YMMV? |
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| 18:21.29 | PaulFert` | Fougner: google define:YMMV |
| 18:21.51 | Fougner | PaulFert->define("YMMV"); |
| 18:22.03 | mwester | ~YMMV |
| 18:22.04 | apt | hmm... ymmv is Your Mileage May Vary |
| 18:22.26 | PaulFert` | Fougner: dbus request timeout |
| 18:22.34 | Fougner | HAHA |
| 18:22.45 | Fougner | PaulFert->exit(0); |
| 18:23.04 | PaulFert` | Fougner: method with signature "i" not found |
| 18:24.48 | PaulFert` | ~google define:apt |
| 18:25.55 | vandal | install.sh script for debian keeps dying at the "creating journal" part. This happen to anyone else? |
| 18:26.23 | Fougner | ~apt |
| 18:26.24 | apt | methinks apt is apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface |
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| 18:28.24 | Denhart | Ah PaulFert` thank you :> |
| 18:28.50 | Denhart | I think its online |
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| 18:30.30 | PaulFert` | BTW, talking about freerunner leather case and seals: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/14/SAVE-the-SEALS |
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| 18:32.06 | Denhart | Ah its nok :| |
| 18:32.09 | Denhart | not* |
| 18:32.59 | Denhart | Anyhow afk. |
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| 18:44.33 | |Leto| | hmmm |
| 18:44.39 | |Leto| | i just tried for a longer time |
| 18:44.50 | |Leto| | agps-ui gets a fix with shr |
| 18:45.03 | |Leto| | but neither tangogps nor navit seem to be able to get one |
| 18:45.16 | |Leto| | that literarily sucks |
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| 18:46.37 | Denhart | PaulFert`: When i do a iwconfig eth0 show up as connected to "linksys" but i do not have connection to the internet :/ |
| 18:46.46 | Denhart | Not even the lan |
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| 18:47.02 | Denhart | And i can see my FR's mac adress on my router |
| 18:47.13 | Denhart | It seems pretty odd |
| 18:47.14 | PaulFert` | Denhart: probably you're supposed to use DHCP to get ip address? |
| 18:47.26 | PaulFert` | Denhart: without setting ip it's normal :) |
| 18:47.28 | Denhart | Ah i'm an idiot |
| 18:47.41 | Denhart | Thank you once again :> |
| 18:49.06 | Denhart | ah now its working |
| 18:50.31 | Denhart | Ah finally i can ssh into it |
| 18:51.16 | PaulFert` | Denhart: you're welcome :) |
| 18:51.28 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4954 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (10 files): |
| 18:51.28 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Cleanup and clock fixes. First round. (This is just my backup. The real |
| 18:51.28 | CIA-49 | openmoko: stuff is on the list.) |
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| 18:58.04 | toggles_w | gta03! w00t! |
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| 19:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | lol, isn't this supposed to be 3d7k now? |
| 19:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | looks forward to next devices' sysfs |
| 19:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | holiday in Babylon |
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| 19:23.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, I just installed MokoGeocaching, and added some caches as POIs. ~/.tangogps/poi.db has them, too... So how do I make them show up in Tango? |
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| 19:29.24 | mujo | how does one set the fso distro to vibrate only? |
| 19:29.25 | peter_b | hi |
| 19:30.03 | slaxxin | mujo shr? |
| 19:30.21 | peter_b | anyone knows why all my illume icons disapeared after an upgrade today (shr unstable) |
| 19:30.33 | slaxxin | yup |
| 19:31.04 | mujo | slaxxin, this one:http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta02/ |
| 19:31.04 | slaxxin | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 19:31.05 | peter_b | cool |
| 19:31.07 | Digital_Pioneer | peter_b: Yeah, you need to reinstall e-wm-utils and fix your /etc/xdg/menu/applications.menu |
| 19:31.34 | Digital_Pioneer | peter_b: Use this one: http://shr.bearstech.com/applications.menu |
| 19:31.51 | peter_b | cool |
| 19:31.51 | peter_b | thx |
| 19:33.15 | slaxxin | anyone dad trouble changing tango gps maps to /media/card/maps ? |
| 19:33.50 | slaxxin | on shr testing |
| 19:34.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. |
| 19:34.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Does ANYONE know how to make stupid TangoGPS display its POIs? |
| 19:34.55 | slaxxin | i hit edit an change it then an error pops up |
| 19:35.18 | Digital_Pioneer | slaxxin: What error? |
| 19:35.35 | slaxxin | hold |
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| 19:35.42 | peter_b | cool |
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| 19:35.49 | peter_b | my icons are bac :-) |
| 19:36.02 | Digital_Pioneer | peter_b: Good. :) I know how annoying that is. |
| 19:36.04 | mujo | how do I make fso or zhone not play sounds when a SMS come in but vibrate only? |
| 19:36.26 | Digital_Pioneer | mujo: Yeah, use SHR. ;) |
| 19:36.32 | peter_b | :-) |
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| 19:36.53 | slaxxin | no error message |
| 19:37.10 | peter_b | slaxxin: im using a link from /home/root/Maps to /media/.... |
| 19:37.14 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.36 | slaxxin | where do i put that an how/ |
| 19:37.39 | slaxxin | ? |
| 19:38.20 | peter_b | ln -s /home/root/Maps /media/card/something |
| 19:38.25 | peter_b | damn |
| 19:38.42 | peter_b | i meant the other way round :-) |
| 19:38.56 | peter_b | ln -s /media/card/something /home/root/Maps |
| 19:38.58 | slaxxin | all i have to do is open the edit dialog an changh nothing an it stipp does this |
| 19:39.10 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 19:39.20 | Denhart | How do i fix the "opkg update" problem? |
| 19:39.25 | slaxxin | still* |
| 19:40.10 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4955 10/developers/werner/gsm/moko11/RELNOTES: |
| 19:40.10 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Final moko11 release notes. Next steps: update wiki, changelog, test it |
| 19:40.10 | CIA-49 | openmoko: agin, and then ... release ! |
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| 19:41.51 | slaxxin | thanks peter-b |
| 19:42.32 | peter_b | there is a segfault for me too when i try to change tangogps maps setting |
| 19:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | update wiki??? |
| 19:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | changelog? |
| 19:43.34 | Denhart | When i'm trying to install matchbox but it cannot satisfy the dependencies, i need libfreetype6 (>02.3.6) |
| 19:43.39 | Denhart | But how to i update it? |
| 19:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | test it!?!? |
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| 19:46.09 | Denhart | opkg install multitap-pad - Nothing to be done An error ocurred, return value: 4.Collected errors: Cannot find package multitap-pad. Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' |
| 19:46.12 | Denhart | Argh |
| 19:46.20 | lindi- | Denhart: matchbox-keyboard? |
| 19:46.41 | Denhart | huh lindi-? |
| 19:47.06 | slaxxin | still doesnt use the sdcard maps |
| 19:47.33 | slaxxin | ln -s /media/card/maps /home/root/Maps |
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| 19:48.11 | peter_b | slaxxin: are your maps in /media/card/maps/OSM ? |
| 19:48.46 | lindi- | Denhart: or what matchbox are you trying to install? |
| 19:49.27 | Denhart | matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod |
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| 19:49.47 | lindi- | Denhart: that's matchbox-keyboard? |
| 19:49.53 | Denhart | Yeh |
| 19:50.13 | lindi- | ok so not matchbox-window-manager |
| 19:50.35 | Denhart | Nope |
| 19:50.48 | Denhart | Only the qwerty keyboard |
| 19:51.17 | lindi- | Denhart: it does dvorak too :) |
| 19:51.28 | Denhart | Oh |
| 19:51.33 | peter_b | anyone got sound with openmoocow on shr ? |
| 19:51.34 | lindi- | Denhart: any layout you want |
| 19:51.49 | Denhart | Anyhow the pointe is that i cant install it :( |
| 19:51.58 | peter_b | (unable to open audio...) |
| 19:52.29 | Digital_Pioneer | anyone else tried to use mokogeocaching? :\ |
| 19:52.42 | Denhart | And i already uninstalled multitap-pad |
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| 19:56.55 | anno^da_ | I'm getting crazy with Pear. What does this error mean: Could not rename /usr/bin/.tmppear to /usr/bin/pear copy(/usr/bin/pear): failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| 19:56.55 | anno^da_ | ERROR: commit failed |
| 19:57.08 | anno^da_ | damn PHP :> |
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| 20:10.05 | Denhart | Ah someone tell me how to update libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.6) |
| 20:12.13 | Denhart | Ah nvm I think i got it |
| 20:12.16 | Denhart | :p |
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| 21:22.06 | johnsu01 | With illume on debian (built from svn), finger scrolling of the launcher icons is very, very unresponsive |
| 21:22.18 | johnsu01 | I have to try 4-5 times to get it to scroll |
| 21:22.59 | johnsu01 | that's with drag sensitivity set to highest |
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| 21:34.34 | |Marco| | johnsu01: wah, that's ba :/ |
| 21:34.56 | johnsu01 | it also appears to only work if I drag in the space next to the icons rather than over them |
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| 21:37.44 | |Marco| | oooookay ? |
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| 22:13.19 | spectie | hey all |
| 22:13.40 | spectie | a quick question, i've had a brief search, but is it possible to make ones own predictive text dictionaries with openmoko ? |
| 22:14.49 | PaulFert` | spectie: define "openmoko" |
| 22:15.07 | spectie | the openmoko platform for mobile phones ? |
| 22:15.17 | PaulFert` | spectie: there is no thing like that |
| 22:15.19 | spectie | do i have the wrong channel ? |
| 22:15.51 | PaulFert` | spectie: no |
| 22:15.58 | PaulFert` | spectie: you have the wrong expectations ;) |
| 22:16.01 | spectie | oh |
| 22:16.29 | spectie | basically, i'm interested in making predictive text input for languages which the large proprietary companies can't/won't support |
| 22:16.33 | PaulFert` | spectie: the most fancy keyboard that is used usually on Freerunner is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard |
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| 22:17.41 | spectie | i'm using quite an ancient phone |
| 22:18.09 | spectie | so i don't really know how these things work... but it occurred to me, that since i have the data it might be nice to make it available for people with more up-to-date phones |
| 22:18.16 | Denhart | Which image/OS/firmware do you guys use? |
| 22:18.38 | spectie | i can imagine the frustration at trying to type welsh with english predictive text! |
| 22:19.14 | spectie | and the principle behind predictive text should be fairly easy... something like a weighted finite-state acceptor |
| 22:20.22 | PaulFert` | spectie: that's very nice of you, but for various reasons openmoko community is not uniform. I still think that the best you can do is to improve Raster's Illume keyboard. |
| 22:21.18 | spectie | well, taking a look at it, all it needs is a wordlist |
| 22:21.45 | PaulFert` | spectie: and if you have frequency data, it will use that too. |
| 22:21.46 | spectie | i can supply that |
| 22:22.05 | spectie | you mean of words or bi/trigrams et.c ? |
| 22:22.05 | PaulFert` | spectie: of words |
| 22:22.05 | spectie | o |
| 22:22.05 | spectie | ok |
| 22:22.17 | PaulFert` | spectie: it'd be nice of you to write a letter to the community mailing list with description of what data you have and under which license it's available. community@lists.openmoko.org |
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| 22:22.21 | spectie | ok |
| 22:22.21 | badcloud | hey all |
| 22:22.23 | spectie | PaulFert`, GPL |
| 22:22.31 | spectie | but i'm willing to relicence |
| 22:22.37 | spectie | to BSD/MIT |
| 22:22.43 | spectie | or LGPL :) |
| 22:23.25 | spectie | may i mention your nick in the email PaulFert` ? |
| 22:25.04 | PaulFert` | spectie: you may, but i see no need to. Thanks for your effort! I hope the guys who need these dictinaries will be happy :) |
| 22:25.34 | badcloud | when is fso 6.1 supposed to be released? |
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| 22:28.19 | badcloud | nm, found the timeline |
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| 22:34.35 | SeligArkin | Question about the openmoko,is there MMS support in the software at this time? If not what happens when someone sends a MMS to you? |
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| 22:35.36 | spectie | PaulFert`, sent |
| 22:35.38 | spectie | and thanks again for your time |
| 22:35.46 | spectie | i'll idle here |
| 22:36.22 | PaulFert` | spectie: :) |
| 22:37.35 | mjr | SeligArkin, basically you get an SMS saying you were sent an MMS and an url where the actual MMS is (that may or may not be reachable by some sane means) |
| 22:37.50 | SeligArkin | I see |
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| 22:38.28 | mjr | (that's the way MMS works, the supporting phones just will get the URL via a data connection automatically) |
| 22:38.37 | SeligArkin | ah ok |
| 22:39.03 | mjr | and the data connection, AFAIK, may be a special one, though it may also (I'm not sure) be an internet-accessible URL. I don't really know more spesifics |
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| 22:39.12 | SeligArkin | ah |
| 22:39.47 | badcloud | has anyone tried connecting an infrared adapter? |
| 22:41.25 | mjr | SeligArkin, in any case, supporting MMS is a software issue. It can be done, you need to get the proper type of GPRS connection up (as said, _perhaps_ a special one, not the "internet" gprs that you usually use) and retrieve the url |
| 22:42.42 | SeligArkin | hmm |
| 22:42.48 | SeligArkin | something I will mess with |
| 22:44.02 | PaulFert` | spectie: btw, if you sent the message without subscribing first, it will be hold for pre-moderation for unknown time with unknown outcome. |
| 22:44.11 | spectie | PaulFert`, ah |
| 22:44.12 | spectie | i did |
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| 22:44.23 | spectie | is it not frequently moderated ? |
| 22:44.46 | spectie | ok |
| 22:44.47 | spectie | 'sec |
| 22:45.11 | PaulFert` | spectie: also, if you'll take part in discussion, don't be surprised that community mailing list is fucking misconfigured to add a wrong Reply-To header to every message (that should be ignored before replying). |
| 22:45.32 | spectie | :/ |
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| 22:45.48 | spectie | registered |
| 22:46.31 | spectie | i wonder how illume stores the wordlist |
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| 22:46.59 | PaulFert` | spectie: they claim it's to make the mailing list more for the people who can't learn to cycle^W use their MUA. |
| 22:47.10 | spectie | lol |
| 22:47.29 | spectie | wow, the archives get generated quickly |
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| 23:01.33 | PaulFert` | spectie: afair the illume can use a simple sorted list of words. A lot of discussions of new dictionary format took place recently, you might be interested to search the archive. Also try to ping raster when you see him here to know the current state and implementation plans, he's very helpful usually. |
| 23:01.44 | spectie | ok |
| 23:01.56 | spectie | PaulFert`, the thing is i wonder how well it works for complex languages |
| 23:01.58 | spectie | like finnish |
| 23:02.49 | spectie | or even basque... the expanded form of the dictionary we have is >200mb |
| 23:03.04 | PaulFert` | spectie: you're looking at the root of the problem, it doesn't work well enough even for some european languages, but that's something that is known and planned to be solved someday :) |
| 23:03.09 | spectie | i would like to talk to him indeed |
| 23:03.46 | spectie | i have an idea how it might be solved, but i'm not sure how feasible it would be |
| 23:04.00 | spectie | what is his nick around here? |
| 23:04.51 | PaulFert` | spectie: the problem is that we need some way to input text fast. And he's trying to avoid "patented" methods like t9. And given the small screen his idea of fuzzy-matching becomes very attractive, but that complicates things a lot, as it needs to be done very fast. |
| 23:06.28 | spectie | someone in my dept. wrote a paper on a method |
| 23:06.30 | spectie | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:CZpBbUakL6QJ:www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/docum/forcada01j.pdf+catalan+predictive+text&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=es |
| 23:06.31 | PaulFert` | spectie: Raster's nick is raster. :) He's in AU now, i guess. Probably you can send him a privmsg here on freenode in case he forgot to join the right channels (#openmoko and #openmoko-cdevel) :) |
| 23:06.40 | spectie | ah |
| 23:06.46 | spectie | ok |
| 23:06.51 | spectie | thanks :) |
| 23:07.07 | spectie | australia is +7 or +8 no? |
| 23:07.52 | shellevil | only real wackos get woken by being privmsgd :) |
| 23:08.08 | shellevil | can you licence t9? |
| 23:09.19 | lindi- | shellevil: that wouldn't meet at least DFSG |
| 23:09.19 | PaulFert` | spectie: You're welcome :) I don't remember where exactly he is, so no exact TZ is known. |
| 23:09.20 | spectie | ah |
| 23:09.23 | spectie | shellevil, would you want to ? |
| 23:09.33 | shellevil | DFSG? |
| 23:09.35 | |Marco| | woah, what happened with opkg.org ? |
| 23:09.46 | lindi- | shellevil: debian free software guidelines |
| 23:09.50 | shellevil | lin |
| 23:10.02 | lindi- | shellevil: www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 23:10.11 | shellevil | lindi-: I don't much care. |
| 23:11.12 | shellevil | lindi-: I want the option of having non-free stuff. |
| 23:11.13 | shellevil | And I suspect 99.99% of debian systems have mp3 |
| 23:11.13 | lindi- | shellevil: debian ships mp3 decoding software at the moment |
| 23:11.13 | lindi- | shellevil: but not encoding |
| 23:11.13 | spectie | i'm sure mikel would be happy to give his code away |
| 23:11.14 | spectie | anyway |
| 23:11.14 | spectie | i'm off to bed now |
| 23:11.14 | spectie | bona nit! |
| 23:11.46 | lindi- | shellevil: but I care, i don't want openmoko to spend its money on licensing non-free stuff for those who want to use non-free stuff :) |
| 23:11.46 | PaulFert` | lindi-: btw, i don't care about software patents which are illegal. So no need to license T9, just implement it under the DFSG-compatible license and it'll be ok. |
| 23:12.19 | PaulFert` | And all software patents are illegal imo :) |
| 23:12.29 | lindi- | PaulFert`: patent could be invalid but i doubt it can be illegal? |
| 23:13.45 | mjr | yeah well, certainly nobody's forcing any developer to avoid software patents. I doubt OM will ship a T9 pad on their phones but that's no reason for somebody to code one up and make it available. |
| 23:13.45 | PaulFert` | lindi-: hm, you're right. Technically in some jurisdictions they're legal. |
| 23:13.57 | PaulFert` | lindi-: in others they're unenforceable. |
| 23:14.27 | PaulFert` | lindi-: and in those where they're technically legal, i see it as an abuse of patent system, that's why i used the word "illegal". |
| 23:17.50 | PaulFert` | Ok, sleep time for me too, see you :) |
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