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| 02:32.55 | Dave | rooly |
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| 03:59.08 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4950 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (6 files): Now, really the final submission. |
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| 04:35.35 | slaxxin | oooo its 03 |
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| 04:57.59 | vininim | slaxxin: is it? looks too big :/ |
| 05:00.38 | vininim | might be the angle |
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| 05:48.44 | lenin_ | guys where can I enter pin code in SHR? |
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| 05:53.35 | lenin_ | k |
| 05:53.38 | lenin_ | i got it |
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| 07:03.51 | jeff_ | has anyone got the error "count not initialize FIQ for GTA02" on boot up before? |
| 07:05.05 | PaulFert` | jeff_: i think i did, looks like it's harmless. |
| 07:06.27 | jeff_ | PaulFert: it doesnt boot though, I get a list of "HDQ error: 1" and then "power_supply bettery driver failed to report 'health' properly" and then more HDQ errors |
| 07:06.59 | PaulFert` | jeff_: looks like you cloned andy-tracking just in time to get a non-working kernel :) |
| 07:08.52 | jeff_ | PualFert: oh I see, I did just clone it a few hours ago |
| 07:10.45 | jeff_ | PaulFert: should I switch to another branch and recompile? |
| 07:11.39 | PaulFert` | jeff_: switch from andy-tracking? I don't think so. I'll tell you what commit works for me. |
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| 07:15.02 | PaulFert` | jeff_: I'm using 86247495c3d58534 but i suggest you try b9de904e7aadd7b37c4035fd5d6f59e5f80089b6 (newer and with important fixes). |
| 07:15.23 | jeff_ | PaulFert: Thanks, how do I switch to a different commit? |
| 07:15.35 | PaulFert` | jeff_: git checkout <hash> |
| 07:16.01 | PaulFert` | jeff_: if you then plan to base your work on that, you'll need to create a local branch from it. |
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| 07:17.32 | jeff_ | PaulFert: do I run git checkout hash in the folder that i already made when I ran git clone? |
| 07:18.14 | PaulFert` | jeff_: sure |
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| 07:27.12 | jeff_ | PaulFert: I switched to that commit and i created a local branch, now I need to download the proper files correct? |
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| 07:44.27 | methril|work | morning |
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| 08:13.30 | PaulFert` | jeff_: no :) |
| 08:13.44 | PaulFert` | jeff_: once you cloned the repo you have all the information needed to build any revision :) |
| 08:14.04 | PaulFert` | jeff_: git checkout makes all your local file switch to that commit. |
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| 08:21.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:56.23 | nullix | hi all, i am a new happy owner of a Neo FreeRunner ( my wife's gift for my birthday ). |
| 09:56.54 | CVirus | I wish my gf understands wtf is a freerunner before my birthday |
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| 09:57.36 | CVirus | nullix: happy birthday |
| 09:57.38 | CVirus | forgot that |
| 09:58.04 | |Marco| | happy birthday nullix :P |
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| 10:01.02 | KaraDog | happy birthday, nullix |
| 10:01.39 | nullix | thanks :-) |
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| 10:03.40 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r4951 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmbluetooth.state: add working GSM to Bluetooth headset state file |
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| 10:10.43 | husku | nullix: happy bday :) |
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| 10:51.48 | xEBIx | good day |
| 10:52.32 | xEBIx | does anyone know if the actual zomg package is valid? i am getting a data format violated message |
| 10:52.55 | xEBIx | i am loading in from opkg.org |
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| 11:36.53 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7dca1626ae6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: |
| 11:36.53 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: parser.py: flag +CGMR as solicited message that has a PDU. Closes FSO #369, which was actually a valid |
| 11:36.53 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: bug. |
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| 11:47.25 | lenin_ | guys |
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| 11:47.33 | lenin_ | could you help me to copy |
| 11:47.39 | lenin_ | something on phone |
| 11:47.58 | lenin_ | scp /home/lenin/Faust.pdf root@192.168.0.202: /home/root |
| 11:47.58 | lenin_ | /home/root: No such file or directory |
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| 11:53.47 | billk_ | lenin_: you have a space between the 202:/home/root - its one expression. |
| 11:55.34 | lenin_ | aaa |
| 11:55.37 | lenin_ | hackers WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 11:55.38 | lenin_ | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 11:55.38 | lenin_ | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 11:57.11 | lenin_ | password? |
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| 12:00.06 | CM_work | Ah |
| 12:00.32 | CM_work | lenin_: You have a new rootfs don't you? |
| 12:00.39 | lenin_ | yes |
| 12:00.41 | lenin_ | I have |
| 12:00.57 | CM_work | Just remove the entry in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file |
| 12:00.59 | lindi- | why did you change ssh key? |
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| 12:01.14 | CM_work | It's the host, aka phone |
| 12:01.22 | CM_work | New rootfs -> new host |
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| 12:03.41 | lindi- | CM_work: oh? I use the same key for the same fqdn always |
| 12:03.42 | lenin_ | I remove entry |
| 12:03.53 | lenin_ | and the same problem |
| 12:04.13 | CM_work | lindi-: I just noticed that when I flash a new rootfs the phone gets another key |
| 12:04.13 | lenin_ | for example I use ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202 |
| 12:04.26 | lenin_ | it iss working |
| 12:04.29 | lenin_ | how to scp |
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| 12:04.53 | lindi- | CM_work: well, don't? ;) |
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| 13:04.04 | lenin_ | guys, can someone compile gnue chess for SHR |
| 13:04.04 | lenin_ | plx |
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| 13:05.27 | rhkfin | lenin_: I think it's available somewhere for 2008.x? |
| 13:05.33 | rhkfin | FDOM had it? |
| 13:05.48 | lenin_ | I find this http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/openmoko-chess/ |
| 13:05.49 | rhkfin | check fdomizer and see if it installs it |
| 13:05.56 | lenin_ | but it is without gui |
| 13:06.11 | rhkfin | try http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/openmoko-chess/gnuchess_0.1_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:06.16 | rhkfin | ah, right.. |
| 13:06.21 | rhkfin | -> learn the moves :) |
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| 13:09.37 | lenin_ | oh I find something |
| 13:09.43 | lenin_ | what is that? http://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git/packages/gnuchess/files/ |
| 13:11.44 | nullix | sorry to bother you with newbie questions, but i did an upgrade ( from a 2008.x that was shipped with) and now my usb connection is badly twisted , it hang my host when trying to connect to. |
| 13:15.24 | lenin_ | I installed fltk-cheess but they are to small |
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| 13:16.54 | nullix | my host (xubuntu) complains about device descriptor/read/64, error -110 |
| 13:17.13 | nullix | when i plug usb cable |
| 13:17.44 | nullix | it was working before upgrade since i did upgrade from a ssh connection |
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| 13:22.30 | rhkfin | nullix: You might want to flash 2008.12 in (or SHR). some of the USB SSH issues are solved by restarting the phone (after fresh 2008.12 installation you need to start&restart to start ssh server). |
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| 13:24.11 | nullix | rhkfin: i did many shutdown & restart, it seems to be a kernel usb bug |
| 13:24.59 | nullix | what do you man by "flash 2008.12" |
| 13:25.24 | nullix | s/man/mean/ |
| 13:26.18 | rhkfin | apt: thanks for interpreting :) nullix: flash 2008.12 = install (=flash) the latest Openmoko distribution, see .. |
| 13:26.18 | apt | no problem, rhkfin |
| 13:26.39 | rhkfin | (searching....) |
| 13:27.08 | rhkfin | nullix: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update |
| 13:27.10 | nullix | i did opkg update ... then many opkg-upgrade until it calm down |
| 13:27.35 | rhkfin | nullix: it's not the same as far as I know |
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| 13:28.22 | rhkfin | or see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer to have it ~up and running in less than 100 minutes (flashing 2008.12 and installing some required fixes and apps) |
| 13:28.59 | nullix | i can't connect to my openmoko anymore, i certainly will have to create an alternate system on SD... |
| 13:29.45 | rhkfin | nullix: you'll still be able to flash, I'd guess.. |
| 13:30.24 | nullix | rhkfin: i have onle the freerunner, not a dev kit to falsh |
| 13:30.34 | nullix | arg, sorry for typoes |
| 13:30.39 | rhkfin | nullix: you don't need a dev kit to flash |
| 13:30.51 | nullix | sorry then what do i need ? |
| 13:30.55 | rhkfin | read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 13:31.07 | rhkfin | -> you need freerunner, usb cable and desktop computer.. |
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| 13:31.37 | rhkfin | And there are around 10 different distros you can flash in :) |
| 13:31.47 | lenin_ | could someone make package for gui chess |
| 13:31.48 | rhkfin | (listed here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions ) |
| 13:32.05 | rhkfin | lenin_: write a request to community mailing list |
| 13:32.19 | lenin_ | or I got flk-chess |
| 13:32.31 | lenin_ | on openmoko but board is very small |
| 13:32.35 | lenin_ | how resize it? |
| 13:33.43 | nullix | rhkfin: thanks, very helpful. |
| 13:33.51 | rhkfin | nullix: no problems :) |
| 13:35.05 | rhkfin | nullix: nice from your wife to get you a freerunner for bday - congrats :) |
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| 13:38.39 | edje2 | hi all, can we use the FR to dial in to an ISP? |
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| 13:49.48 | SpeedEvil | edje2: not usually - un,less the ISP has certain specific hardware to allow this, and your phone account is properly setup |
| 13:50.13 | SpeedEvil | edje2: the 'normal' way - GPRS - the cellphone company is effectively your ISP |
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| 14:00.04 | edje2 | SpeedEvil: thanks, i have gprs working, but at 1 euro/Mb it is rather expensive. i think using a callback it would be cheaper |
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| 14:01.23 | teythoon_ | edje2: I *think* asterisk can be used as a dial in server when combined with a software modem |
| 14:01.59 | edje2 | teythoon_: yes, any name of a sotware modem for the FR ? |
| 14:03.25 | mjr | check your provider's GSM data call charges before even thinking about this |
| 14:03.30 | teythoon | edje2: I have no idea, but in case you find something let me know :) |
| 14:03.46 | edje2 | rught, thanks so far :-) |
| 14:03.52 | mjr | (and no, you can't really reasonably do data over voice calls, this has been hashed to death) |
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| 14:04.59 | edje2 | mjr: why is that? my gprs is also max 65K, so data over voice wouldn;t be that bad would it? or is there a technical limitation on the FR ? |
| 14:05.06 | edje2 | 56K* |
| 14:05.32 | tig| | edje2: it is a limitation of the GSM codec, it just doesn't work properly it is designed for voice |
| 14:05.50 | mjr | voice calls are always put through the GSM codec in the GSM chip and it tries hard to discard anything that doesn't sound like voice |
| 14:06.37 | tig| | edje2: GPRS was designed for this very reason |
| 14:06.55 | edje2 | ah, right, so it is a software limitation? swapping codecs before data and voice calls would be an option ? |
| 14:07.01 | mjr | also, voice calls are in the range of 9.6-14.4k, and with an extremely clever vocalizer/"voice recognition" software people have gotten some wasit 2k of data over it |
| 14:07.17 | mjr | no, the gsm chip enforces the voice codec for voice calls |
| 14:07.35 | edje2 | tig|: right, i just don;t like what they charge per Mb ;-D |
| 14:07.38 | mjr | and even if you could, you would be limited to ~the above rates |
| 14:08.06 | mjr | in short: just forget it |
| 14:08.17 | edje2 | and just pay the price, i get it |
| 14:08.55 | mjr | well, move somewhere where mobile data is reasonably priced ;P |
| 14:09.01 | rhkfin | or use wlan :) |
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| 14:09.23 | edje2 | we don;t have wlan in our public transport busses/trains etc |
| 14:09.31 | mjr | pats his 10 euro a month plan usable both from the phone and his 3g usb stick |
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| 14:09.52 | teythoon | mjr: 2k for free is better than nothing :) |
| 14:10.09 | edje2 | mjr: you use a 3g stick with the FR ? |
| 14:10.13 | mjr | teythoon, also, that software wasn't free. |
| 14:10.18 | mjr | edje2, no, I use it with my laptop |
| 14:10.30 | teythoon | thats too bad |
| 14:10.33 | mjr | presumably it would work with the FR though |
| 14:10.48 | edje2 | mjr: ok, what provider is that ? |
| 14:11.00 | mjr | Saunalahti, a Finnish one |
| 14:11.10 | [df] | do they give you two sims on the same plan? |
| 14:11.15 | mjr | pretty much all of the Finnish providers have flatrate ~10 euro data though... |
| 14:11.21 | edje2 | i bet they don;t have coverage in holland ;-) |
| 14:11.23 | mjr | df, yeh, that was a special offer |
| 14:11.45 | mjr | well, they do have multisim plans regularly also, but the package deal was a special offer |
| 14:12.17 | edje2 | here we have usually two plans, one for phone's and one for laptops |
| 14:12.48 | mjr | yes well, they do seem to be pushing to that direction for some reason, perhaps to do with revenue nowadays ;) |
| 14:13.18 | mjr | and the multisim support does (usually) cost a bit extra (that's why mine was a special offer, it didn't) |
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| 14:14.02 | mjr | they will probably charge me a bit more for the second sim after the 2 year period for that offer, but not as much as for another plan altogether |
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| 18:25.53 | toggles_w | Fish! |
| 18:26.13 | toggles_w | Todays fish is trout-ala-creme |
| 18:26.36 | Dave | French Fish |
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| 18:44.15 | Zorkman | fresh french fish? |
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| 18:59.49 | Serdar | is pannicking sometimes here? |
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| 19:01.33 | PaulFertser | Serdar: yes, he is :) |
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| 19:04.03 | Serdar | his mirror is very slow I think I could help him with my server |
| 19:04.31 | PaulFertser | Serdar: He comes here sometimes, but you can also e-mail him (hint-hint ;) ). |
| 19:04.59 | Serdar | I will not be here for the next 3 days I guess |
| 19:05.11 | toggles_w | Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Rzi_L-ASY |
| 19:06.17 | bricode | Serdar: We are trying to get panicking's patches incorporated into the Koolu git. We are waiting for them from him. |
| 19:06.17 | mmontour | ~fish toggles_w |
| 19:06.18 | apt | ACTION slaps toggles_w around with a large trout |
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| 19:09.28 | jeff_ | I just flashed Qi to support larger kernels and I am getting erros on any kernel I try to boot saying that the power_supply driver failed to report status and then it hangs |
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| 19:12.43 | PaulFertser | jeff_: really hangs? With kernel panic (aux led blinking)? Can it be that you're too impatient to wait for the system to boot fully? |
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| 19:13.39 | jeff_ | PaulFerster: There is no kernel panic, but I let it run and it just shuts off after a while |
| 19:15.14 | PaulFertser | jeff_: every kernel you tried? I think there was an andy-tracking revision which did that on the first boot but it succeeded every second. Also you can try to hold power button while the kernel is prepared for booting and you'll see additional diagnostic messages on LCM. |
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| 19:15.49 | mmontour | The HDQ battery-monitoring stuff was broken in andy-tracking a couple of days ago. Don't know if it's fixed yet, or if it's related to your problem |
| 19:16.49 | PaulFertser | But it shouldn't contribute to "shutting off" unless it's frameworkd reacting to the low battery condition. But for that to work, it must be run first. |
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| 19:18.35 | mmontour | I think that's what was happening on my phone (frameworkd triggering a shutdown) |
| 19:21.05 | PaulFertser | Should be easily tweakable by editing rules.yaml. But i agree, it's not cool trying to find what's happening unless you know about that frameworkd's feature. :) |
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| 19:23.37 | SM2k | is it possible to control the GPS antenna via dbus? |
| 19:23.50 | fredrin | good morning |
| 19:24.05 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: I even tried an old kernel that I have used for a long time and it happens there too, could it be something with qi? |
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| 19:25.49 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2qn6KmzyW I don't know much about dbus, but I would have expected that to work. |
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| 19:26.31 | PaulFertser | jeff_: unless you provide more info, i don't think i can give any decent answer. But my guess is that it's most probably not Qi's fault. |
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| 19:28.29 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: Last night I was trying to flash a new kernel but the size is bigger so I flashed Qi, and got the errors we talked about last night. I switched to a different commit and tried with other kernels even ones already compiled from the download section |
| 19:28.47 | jeff_ | PaualFertser: these are the 2 errors I get now |
| 19:29.47 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -I9 and power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' properly, then I get a blinking _ and eventually it shuts off |
| 19:30.32 | PaulFertser | jeff_: are you sure it's not frameworkd shutting off because it can't read battery status? |
| 19:31.17 | mmontour | jeff_: are you sure that Qi is loading the right kernel? Are you booting from NAND or SD? |
| 19:32.02 | jeff_ | mmontour: I am booting from NAND, there should only be one kernel flashed I think, I flash using NOR |
| 19:32.52 | mmontour | just make sure there's no "/boot/uImage-GTA02.bin" on your SD card |
| 19:34.19 | jeff_ | mmontour: how do I do this without being able to boot? |
| 19:34.32 | PaulFertser | jeff_: boot with NOR? |
| 19:34.40 | PaulFertser | jeff_: remove your uSD? |
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| 19:37.16 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: booting from NOR works fine |
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| 19:39.50 | PaulFertser | jeff_: Are you sure you're not booting kernel from uSD when you boot with Qi? |
| 19:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:40.14 | PaulFertser | jeff_: you might also want to remove low battery shutdown rules while you're at it. |
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| 19:42.42 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: is there any trick to taking the sd card out? |
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| 19:43.54 | PaulFertser | jeff_: you mean mechanical? Yes, take a look here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/ |
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| 19:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-))) |
| 19:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | bangs his head on the table as he missed to file a patent |
| 19:45.50 | SpeedEvil | File a patent for 'means of expressing dissapointment and anger' |
| 19:45.52 | SpeedEvil | covering that |
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| 19:51.28 | jeff_ | PaulFertser: I took the sd card out and I get the error but now it boots so it must have been the sd card, Thank you fory our help |
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| 19:52.30 | PaulFertser | jeff_: for our help, yep :))) If you don't feel comfortable enough with Qi, please read the Qi wikipage, it contains many useful information. |
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| 20:31.00 | fradeve | hi all |
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| 20:36.56 | fradeve | a little question: on SHR-testing, is there a way to restart the GSM? |
| 20:47.18 | von_fritz | fradeve power off power on :) |
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| 20:48.55 | fradeve | von_fritz: the problem: when waking up on call from suspend, when I close the call, GSM freezes. If it freezes, the SHR'menu for GSP doesn't load, so I'm unable to switch it off/on. Is there a bash command to do it? :) |
| 20:49.17 | fradeve | sorry, not GSP but GSM :D |
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| 20:56.59 | PaulFertser | fradeve: to restart GSM simply kill and start ophonekitd again. |
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| 21:03.27 | fradeve | PaulFertser: so, "kill ophonekitd" and "ophonekitd" from console? |
| 21:03.40 | fradeve | pardon, "killall ophonekitd" |
| 21:04.53 | PaulFertser | fradeve: don't forget to have DISPLAY set appropriately before running ophonekitd again. |
| 21:05.27 | fradeve | PaulFertser: I run commands from ShortOM directly from Neo ;) |
| 21:05.50 | PaulFertser | fradeve: then nothing to worry about :) |
| 21:06.20 | PaulFertser | fradeve: except you're supposed to report bugs to the authors and help to debug it ;) |
| 21:06.34 | fradeve | PaulFertser: yeah :) |
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| 21:08.14 | von_fritz | fradeve, you can start ophonekitd from settings |
| 21:09.13 | fradeve | von_fritz: where exactly? |
| 21:11.37 | von_fritz | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dda780381f9fe73c09d451135f9d5e3f.png |
| 21:11.40 | von_fritz | ;) |
| 21:12.47 | fradeve | von_fritz: are you Italian? :D |
| 21:12.49 | von_fritz | and killall ophonekitd w'ont work, you need to kill -9 pid |
| 21:12.58 | von_fritz | yes seems so |
| 21:13.02 | von_fritz | :) |
| 21:13.26 | fradeve | von_fritz: yeahhh http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio |
| 21:13.49 | fradeve | von_fritz: sorry for spam |
| 21:13.51 | fradeve | von_fritz: however... :) |
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| 21:15.35 | fradeve | von_fritz: the problem is that when GSM freezes, the menu fot GSM Settings is not accessible, it also freezes |
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| 21:17.11 | von_fritz | fradeve have you tried to upgrade/flash your GSM firmware? |
| 21:17.35 | fradeve | von_fritz: no, I'm scared to get a brick... :( |
| 21:18.17 | fradeve | von_fritz: the problem seems related to SHR, because with OM 2008.12 all worked ok... |
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| 21:19.12 | von_fritz | fradeve its very simple http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,1155.0.html |
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| 21:19.21 | PaulFertser | fradeve: CAN'T BRICK GSM FIRMWARE unless you're really determined. |
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| 21:20.37 | fradeve | PaulFertser: ok, all you guys are really convincing :) tomorrow I'll try |
| 21:20.58 | PaulFertser | fradeve: the calypso has ROM bootloader, you know... |
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| 21:21.45 | fradeve | actually the Neo is the phone from which I call my girlfriend, if I get a brick I'll give vent to my frustration on this IRC channel :D :D |
| 21:21.50 | PaulFertser | fradeve: moreover, for GTA02 owners an uSD image available to automate the process. |
| 21:21.51 | fradeve | PaulFertser: really? |
| 21:22.01 | PaulFertser | fradeve: really |
| 21:22.15 | fradeve | PaulFertser: wow |
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| 21:24.55 | fradeve | von_fritz: really smart the link... it seems very easy. The most easy procedure I found before was: http://sdonk.netsons.org/2009/03/flashing-del-modem-gsm-di-openmoko-ovvero-aggiornare-il-firmware/ |
| 21:25.04 | fradeve | von_fritz: and it scared me :D |
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| 21:27.15 | von_fritz | fradeve yeah, thats the "old" way :) |
| 21:27.36 | fradeve | von_fritz: tomorrow will be the *great* day :D |
| 21:27.54 | von_fritz | auguri :) |
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| 21:38.03 | fradeve | von_fritz: grazie :) |
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| 22:05.35 | badcloud | nice topic |
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| 22:10.47 | SM2k | does GPS not work on FSO? |
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| 22:12.36 | slaxxin | in shr-testing the becon comes up but i cant set the maps to /media/card/maps |
| 22:12.53 | SM2k | slaxxin: is that in response to me? |
| 22:13.07 | slaxxin | well it is fso based |
| 22:13.13 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.17 | SM2k | :-) |
| 22:14.11 | SM2k | well, I'm trying to interface with fso-gpsd on port 2947 but I never ever get a fix |
| 22:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a bug in AGPS which has been fixed recently in FSO |
| 22:16.30 | SM2k | DocScrutinizer: I assume I'm not using AGPS because I don't have any special hardware. am I wrong? |
| 22:16.50 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: any idea whether it was fixed in SHR (-testing) as well? |
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| 22:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | no, AGPS is a sw helping to get a quick first fix |
| 22:17.52 | SM2k | updates the phone to see if that helps |
| 22:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | mmp: no idea. someone of FSO team mentioned AGPS being fixed now, a few days ago |
| 22:18.44 | slaxxin | i see theres an unstable shr now too |
| 22:19.00 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: I experience quite weird behavior -- looks like that sometimes, even though GPS is powered on, I don't get any NMEA sentences on serial line |
| 22:19.49 | SM2k | well, if I continue to get no-gps I'll have to move away from FSO-unstable |
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| 22:24.20 | mmp | SM2k: try reading GPS data directly from serial line... |
| 22:24.35 | SM2k | mmp: oh I have |
| 22:24.39 | mmp | I think fso-gpsd produces NMEA sentences even if there are no data... |
| 22:24.57 | mmp | SM2k: did you get any reading? |
| 22:24.59 | SM2k | I don't know how to read the sentences |
| 22:25.25 | SM2k | it's ttySAC1 right? |
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| 22:25.30 | mmp | tail -f /dev/ttySAC1 (with fso-gpsd disabled) |
| 22:25.31 | mmp | yes |
| 22:25.39 | mmp | and you need to power on GPS receiver |
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| 22:26.13 | mmp | (in /sys/class/regulator/regulator.7/neo*/ ) |
| 22:26.26 | SM2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.31 | SM2k | I assume that powers it up? |
| 22:26.43 | mmp | yes, looks like that ;) |
| 22:27.03 | mmp | (but IMO the sysfs-way is just easier to read :) |
| 22:28.10 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2led13YMZ |
| 22:28.15 | SM2k | aye |
| 22:28.59 | mmp | ok, so you are at least getting some output, weird... |
| 22:29.07 | SM2k | telnet 127.0.0.1 2947 |
| 22:29.07 | SM2k | ADMOSY |
| 22:29.07 | SM2k | GPSD,A=?,D=2009-03-05T22:28:51.00Z,M=1,O=?,S=0,Y=? |
| 22:29.16 | SM2k | but it's all for not :-) |
| 22:30.15 | shellevil | The GPS does that on boot |
| 22:30.20 | shellevil | till it's got a signal |
| 22:30.27 | SM2k | right |
| 22:30.37 | shellevil | $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 |
| 22:30.38 | SM2k | checks the other phone closer to the window |
| 22:30.50 | shellevil | will be 'filled in' |
| 22:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | mmp: if eventually we get a decent user and permissions policy, youwon't be able to access /dev anymore |
| 22:31.39 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: why not? I will be running under regular user? |
| 22:34.23 | shellevil | normal user shouldn't be able to turn the GPS hardware on and off that way anyway |
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| 22:37.38 | SM2k | shellevil: agreed, but I'd just like to see a freakin fix |
| 22:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's what FSO and dbus are for |
| 22:38.01 | SM2k | I *did* see it work under 2008.12, so I'm beginning to assume FSO is AFU |
| 22:40.12 | shellevil | SM2k: it should be absolutely nothing to do with software |
| 22:40.31 | shellevil | SM2k: unless you upload anomolous agps info |
| 22:41.00 | SM2k | why on earth would I be messing with agps? :-) |
| 22:41.03 | shellevil | or you have something unpowered - for example not powering the GPS ant - but I don't think you can do that |
| 22:41.08 | shellevil | dunno |
| 22:41.45 | shellevil | For a nice quick fix, go outside, and hold the GPS 15000Km over your head. |
| 22:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: there was a fix in fso to ungarble agps data |
| 22:42.40 | SM2k | odd. the antenna did shut down. |
| 22:50.03 | SM2k | DocScrutinizer: well, my system appears to be up to date |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | the fix has been committed some 2 days ago on FSO. |
| 22:53.05 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: looks like a fairly new thing... |
| 22:53.23 | mmp | and it also could solve my problems |
| 22:53.24 | SM2k | http://slexy.org/view/s2gHgtvC3Q |
| 22:53.28 | SM2k | that said, one feed does 404 |
| 22:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | there was a typo in the routine uploading the ephem or alm data |
| 22:54.32 | SM2k | armv4t? |
| 22:54.43 | Hydrant | hey all... trying to do usb networking with openmoko Om2008.12... I can't seem to be able to ping it |
| 22:55.03 | SM2k | Hydrant: you need to set up routing on the desktop |
| 22:55.21 | SM2k | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:55.28 | SM2k | season to taste |
| 22:56.01 | Hydrant | did that, maybe routing table is wrong |
| 22:56.08 | husku | theres also an great wiki page... |
| 22:56.34 | Hydrant | that's what I'm following |
| 22:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_with_openSUSE#Set_up_USB_interface |
| 22:56.46 | Hydrant | when I ping i get "destination host unrechable" |
| 22:57.00 | husku | Hydrant: whats your problem... can you see both interfaces with "ip link show" command, on moko and on the connecting pc ? |
| 22:57.22 | Hydrant | not sure how to issue the command on the moko |
| 22:57.33 | Hydrant | using ubuntu on the desktop btw |
| 22:57.50 | husku | Hydrant: you should use termineal and root account. |
| 22:58.25 | Hydrant | on the neo itself? I don't see a terminal program |
| 22:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | Hydrant: use `ifconfig` |
| 22:58.56 | husku | DocScrutinizer: thats not gonna help |
| 22:59.06 | husku | Hydrant: what distro are you using? |
| 22:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | it's much more legible |
| 22:59.33 | Hydrant | ubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:59.35 | Hydrant | kubuntu actually |
| 22:59.42 | Hydrant | and on the openmoko just downloaded OM |
| 22:59.56 | husku | DocScrutinizer: well, it still needs console/terminal access, without it those strings are not going to do any miracles :) |
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| 23:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 23:00.29 | husku | DocScrutinizer: where do you type ifconfig? |
| 23:00.35 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: any idea what were symptoms of the GPS issue you mentioned? |
| 23:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | sure you can't ssh to Neo if USB isn't up |
| 23:01.02 | husku | DocScrutinizer: sure you can use terminal on the moko ? |
| 23:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you can. dunno what's the use of it anyway |
| 23:02.03 | husku | DocScrutinizer: it would really help if you would address your comments. |
| 23:02.20 | SM2k | ok I think part of my problem here is I installed circa FSO milestone 4. |
| 23:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | it would help I return to TV |
| 23:02.30 | SM2k | I manually added the armv5te tree |
| 23:03.10 | husku | Hydrant: you have connected the usb-wire, after that you have configured the usb interface at the ubuntu workstation? |
| 23:03.15 | SM2k | but not being so familiar with opkg, I don't understand why opkg-cl list_upgradable still shows nothing |
| 23:03.54 | Hydrant | yup |
| 23:04.18 | Hydrant | maybe networkmanager is screwing it up |
| 23:04.54 | SM2k | networkmangler is of the devil. why's that crazy daemon so popular anyways? :-) |
| 23:04.54 | husku | have you checked that the link is up on both nodes (neo and ubuntu) by using the given command ? |
| 23:05.25 | Hydrant | how can i do that with no terminal? |
| 23:05.40 | shellevil | use the force |
| 23:05.49 | Hydrant | yah... |
| 23:05.56 | husku | Hydrant: 00:59 < husku> Hydrant: what distro are you using? |
| 23:06.17 | Hydrant | kubuntu 8.10 |
| 23:06.35 | husku | Hydrant: and on the moko, you are using om 200X ... ? |
| 23:06.53 | Hydrant | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update |
| 23:08.07 | husku | Hydrant: first, on ubuntu you should be able to use terminal programs. gnome-terminal or xterm/aterm.... when on those you should issue an `sudo ifconfig` to see what interfaces you already have. and if none of those are usb0 .... |
| 23:08.24 | Hydrant | i have usb0 up fine |
| 23:08.51 | husku | Hydrant: ok. and on moko, you really dont have any program called terminal or console ? |
| 23:09.05 | Hydrant | right |
| 23:09.10 | husku | right |
| 23:09.11 | Hydrant | not that i see |
| 23:09.21 | husku | not that i se |
| 23:09.26 | husku | :) |
| 23:10.08 | husku | well, i would not know, atleast all on my distros there have been a way to install a terminal or terminal already installed |
| 23:10.44 | Hydrant | I have a terminal on my desktop, moko is screwed |
| 23:10.48 | husku | if youre runnint om2008.xx and dont have any terminal, do you have an "install" text at the bottom of the screen |
| 23:10.59 | Hydrant | sure, but no network connectivity |
| 23:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | Hydrant: checked your firewall on PC? |
| 23:12.03 | husku | and if you "click" that install you will get an menu where you can find om2-terminal program or something else, then you should install it and after that you should have a terminal at your moko desktop |
| 23:12.14 | Hydrant | I have no firewall that I know of in ubuntu |
| 23:12.24 | husku | Hydrant: do you have a terminal at the moko desktop ?! |
| 23:12.31 | Hydrant | husku: no |
| 23:12.43 | Hydrant | not on the phone itself, on my desktop pc yes |
| 23:12.53 | SM2k | screw it. I'm flashing this image. moving back to 2008.12 |
| 23:13.00 | husku | Hydrant: ok. did you check if you have installed the program as i said? |
| 23:13.28 | Hydrant | rebooting it to see what problem the installer had initially |
| 23:13.41 | husku | Hydrant: ? |
| 23:13.50 | Hydrant | the installer was screwed up |
| 23:14.19 | husku | really? |
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| 23:15.17 | husku | Hydrant: are you sure about the installer being screwed up on 2008.12 ? |
| 23:16.04 | Hydrant | it just now finally loaded |
| 23:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | husku: are you sure you're not a son of ELIZA? |
| 23:16.13 | Hydrant | cannot access repo, please check network |
| 23:16.29 | Hydrant | so how am I going to install anything with no network access, or way to configure such ? |
| 23:16.51 | husku | DocScrutinizer: im just drunk and fed up with people whom say "it does not work! fix it! fix it now!" |
| 23:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | Hydrant: ping any URL fron FR works? |
| 23:17.20 | Hydrant | DocScrutinizer: again, how am I going to ping any url? |
| 23:17.21 | husku | Hydrant: do you have an working default route? |
| 23:17.39 | Hydrant | all that is on my home screen is contacts, dialer, locations, messages, setting, and soduku |
| 23:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | ssh into FR |
| 23:17.51 | Hydrant | I can't sssh into the fr, that is the problem |
| 23:18.02 | Hydrant | the installer is at the bottom but kinda useless |
| 23:18.03 | Dave | no route to host |
| 23:18.09 | Hydrant | it could be that network manager is screwed on my ubuntu |
| 23:18.13 | Hydrant | very possible |
| 23:18.18 | Hydrant | it's a pain in the arse to remove |
| 23:18.30 | husku | Hydrant: are you really, i mean, really, certain that you dont have the "installer" text at the bottom of your moko screen? |
| 23:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | so what happens if you ping FR from PC? |
| 23:18.32 | Dave | :| |
| 23:18.34 | Dave | I agree |
| 23:18.45 | Dave | that's why I just run debian :) |
| 23:18.47 | Hydrant | husku: the installer text is at the bottom yes |
| 23:19.08 | husku | Hydrant: did you use it to install a terminal on your moko? |
| 23:19.23 | Hydrant | no, because it has no network connectivity and will do nothing |
| 23:19.39 | husku | Hydrant: ok, thank you |
| 23:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | pheeew, it's really more boring than TV to watch tis |
| 23:20.09 | husku | Hydrant: did you check dmesg after plugging moko on your ubuntu? |
| 23:20.21 | Hydrant | I'll check |
| 23:20.43 | Hydrant | registered cdc_ether |
| 23:21.11 | husku | Hydrant: and the ifconfig command shows you the right ip at the ubuntu? |
| 23:22.02 | Hydrant | k wait, it worked that time |
| 23:22.02 | husku | Hydrant: and you have the forwarding flag set up at the sysctl on ubuntu, and you of course did set up the iptables rules ? |
| 23:22.16 | husku | Hydrant: what do you mean, that time?? |
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| 23:24.04 | Hydrant | husku: it suddenly "just worked" |
| 23:24.10 | Hydrant | very strange |
| 23:24.32 | Hydrant | i didn't setup forwarding, I just turned off external interfaces (on my laptop) and tried to connect straight via usb0 |
| 23:24.56 | Hydrant | be back in a bit |
| 23:25.06 | husku | Hydrant: thats so nice. |
| 23:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | wooohoooo |
| 23:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | highfives Dave |
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| 23:29.54 | Dave | :D |
| 23:29.59 | Dave | high-fives Joerg back |
| 23:30.04 | SM2k | man if I had the time, I'd create a conary based system for the openmoko |
| 23:30.20 | Dave | coronary? |
| 23:30.26 | Dave | yeah, the freerunner will give you that :P |
| 23:30.31 | SM2k | conary is a different package manager |
| 23:30.43 | SM2k | ah. haha I misread that as a typo |
| 23:30.55 | Dave | :D |
| 23:31.55 | anttna | Hi. I flashed variuos distros shr, fso om12, fyp and I culdn't get text messages to work. I had to flash om08 to read texts. |
| 23:31.57 | anttna | Then I flashed fyp and I could get text messages. before the icon on zhone was inactive. |
| 23:31.58 | anttna | Also the gps doesn't work with fyp now but it did on an earlier flash, although AFAICR it took a few days before ti worked. |
| 23:32.00 | anttna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.01 | anttna | Hi again. Perhaps that wasn't very clear. What I mean is I could use sms until I flashed AFAICR fso ms5, |
| 23:40.02 | anttna | then I couldn't use sms Then I flashed shr still no sms (I had used shr before and I could use sms ok) |
| 23:40.04 | anttna | i had to flash om08 (i think) to read sms Then I flashed fyp 2.17 -no sms inactive icon in zhone. |
| 23:40.05 | anttna | Next I flashed fyp 3.01 still an inactive sms icon Back to om08 read sms and flashed fyp 2.17 and now I can read sms. |
| 23:40.07 | anttna | maybe it was something to do with there being 20 messages before I deleted them in om08? |
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| 23:45.21 | anttna | shuffles feet and looks around |
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| 23:47.17 | husku | anttna: you want to have all now? |
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| 23:47.49 | husku | good night alla :) |
| 23:47.59 | anttna | no sorry it was just suddnly very quiet :) |
| 23:48.30 | husku | anttna: install shr-unstable. works for me. |
| 23:48.39 | husku | anttna: good night :) |
| 23:48.49 | anttna | husku: thanks good night |
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| 23:54.22 | Dave | mokoparty! |
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| 23:59.04 | jones | anyone about? |
| 23:59.49 | jones | something terrible has happened |
