IRC log for #openmoko on 20090304

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00:02.16CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r55d23f9fae79 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: start revamping timeout handling; also use gio priorities to enforce reading before writing
00:02.17CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf1427b2e9185 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: don't deactivate a pdp object that is not yet existing
00:02.17CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9fc38d5a2f89 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: remove per-command timeouts
00:02.21CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcceede7c6c32 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:02.21CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Rewritten timeout handling and unsolicited message handling.
00:02.23CIA-49freesmartphone.org: We now maintain a list of valid prefixes for every command
00:02.25CIA-49freesmartphone.org: in the Queue. Once the parser processes a complete line, it checks whether
00:02.27CIA-49freesmartphone.org: this line contains expected results. With this, it's safe to operate modems
00:02.29CIA-49freesmartphone.org: that mix unsolicited and solicited responses. It's also a safeguard against
00:02.31CIA-49freesmartphone.org: race conditions when talking to the modem over buffered lines.
00:02.33CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra08240701b62 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:
00:02.36CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] send %CUNS=0 on startup. It now sends unsolicited responses
00:02.40CIA-49freesmartphone.org: directly once they're generated, which leads to potentially lots of mixed
00:02.42CIA-49freesmartphone.org: solicited/unsolicited responses. This should be a nice test-case for our new
00:02.44CIA-49freesmartphone.org: handling.
00:02.46CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r877dffc5f28c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py:
00:02.49CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: improve AUTOPREFIX handling. We can compute them for combined AT commands now
00:02.53CIA-49freesmartphone.org: as well (AT+FOO;+BAR;...)
00:02.55CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r49624d1c6bbe 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: fix new parser for solicited messages with PDUs (+CMGL, what else?)
00:02.58CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5cd1deee0441 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/parser.py modems/abstract/mediator.py):
00:03.01CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: support allowing all prefixes for commands -- this is necessary for the few
00:03.05CIA-49freesmartphone.org: commands that do not need to answer with the prefix, e.g. +CIMI is allowed to answer
00:03.07CIA-49freesmartphone.org: directly with the SIM's IMSI
00:03.09CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7b0dc325474c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:
00:03.12CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] the AlwaysUnsolicitedParser is no longer necessary now
00:03.14CIA-49freesmartphone.org: that the StateBasedLowLevelParser is good enough.
00:03.18CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbcfee2779f1c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: use more strict RE for AUTOPREFIX matching
00:03.21CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r44d49f971f2c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/parser.py modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py):
00:03.24CIA-49freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: teach parse about 'PDU' special prefix that does accept everything
00:03.30CIA-49freesmartphone.org: that starts with {0123456789ABCDEF}
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01:30.38CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3a787374dbee 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: otimed: fix wrong interface path in alarm.py. Patch by lupan, thanks!
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02:29.48slaxxinlenin http://pastebin.com/m306069f4
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02:35.44retracileSanity check: dd if=/boot/uImage.bin of=/dev/mtdblock3   (run on the FR) should work, right?
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02:56.30Daveretracile :o
02:56.44retracileDave!
02:57.24DaveYes!
02:59.59retracilehrm: [21474542.470000] RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294908494/600 jiffies)
03:01.33Dave:\
03:05.18retracileI'm not getting screen presses either, and USB networking isn't coming up...
03:05.18retracileat least I can boot from uSD
03:07.23johnsu01hm I guess http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/346 is what's happening to me, but no length of timeout seems to help and it is also a problem with individual messages
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03:56.05retracileI've gotten to the point that I really need to get the FR usable as a phone.  The problem is that I also really need to be able to run a password vault program.
03:56.16retracileRight now, I'm running debian and using MyPasswordSafe.
03:56.24retracileAny suggestions?
03:58.34ColdFyrenothing out there yet, AFAIK
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04:39.00johnsu01ah, it's a timeout issue that I'm having, it's actually that frameworkd is choking on the mms messages that the MBTA sends me
04:39.05johnsu01*not* a timeout issue
04:43.57johnsu01http://wiki.wjsullivan.net/collaboration.cgi/FsoEl/Bugs/MMS
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05:15.57johnsu01ah, it's http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/345
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05:25.38lenin_I had problem
05:25.45lenin_need edit resolv.conf
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05:35.21lenin_Scrutinizer
05:35.48lenin_could you tell me how to change this nameservers
05:35.49lenin_?
05:36.30DocScrutinizerresolv.conf?
05:36.48lenin_with nameservers
05:36.49lenin_yes
05:37.41DocScrutinizerclassical way: scp the file to your PC, edit, scp back to the FR. See `man scp`
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05:38.06lenin_aa
05:38.07lenin_k
05:38.27slaxxinnano /etc/resolv.conf
05:38.51slaxxindid u ssh in ok?
05:39.58DocScrutinizermore hackerish way for short files: login via ssh, do sth like `cat /etc/resolv.conf``, `cat >/etc/resolv.conf`` type in the two lines, finish with ctrl-D
05:39.58slaxxinlenin?
05:40.20DocScrutinizerslaxxin: he has no nano
05:40.47DocScrutinizeriirc
05:40.50slaxxinvi /etc/resolv.conf then
05:41.14DocScrutinizereeew, even I prefer the hackerish way
05:42.02DocScrutinizerit's resolv.conf!
05:42.27DocScrutinizerthat's 30bytes, 2 lines
05:43.20lenin_ok
05:43.23lenin_I know
05:43.25lenin_echo "nameserver 192.168.20.1 nameserver 192.168.20.10" > /etc/
05:43.25lenin_resolv.conf
05:43.48DocScrutinizerthough e really convenient thing is to sftp to the FR via Konqueror
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05:44.34lenin_humm
05:44.38lenin_now it need to work
05:44.44DocScrutinizeror this way, yup. you didn't print the newline in between, right? ;)
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05:45.45lenin_aaa
05:45.48lenin_something
05:45.50lenin_happend
05:46.30DocScrutinizerplease don't tell you charged it over night and now it's dead!!!
05:46.52slaxxinput shr on it
05:47.10slaxxin<PROTECTED>
05:47.13lenin_guys I restart networking and it still do not work lol
05:47.43slaxxinusb_gadget support in kernel turned on?
05:47.50DocScrutinizernetworking needs a whole lot of config on *your PC*
05:48.06lenin_I make configure this simple
05:48.33slaxxinhttp://pastebin.com/m306069f4
05:49.36DocScrutinizerhmm, firewall???
05:50.21lenin_no
05:50.37DocScrutinizerno firewall on your pc?
05:50.44DocScrutinizerduh
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05:58.40DocScrutinizerlenin_: which distro do you use on PC?
06:00.54lenin_oot@om-gta02:~# ping -c 3 www.google.pl
06:00.54lenin_PING www.google.pl (64.233.183.99): 56 data bytes
06:00.54lenin_64 bytes from 64.233.183.99: seq=0 ttl=244 time=73.253 ms
06:00.57lenin_;]
06:01.08DocScrutinizer:D
06:01.09lenin_halleya
06:01.38DocScrutinizerdid you fix firewall? :P
06:01.48lenin_no just use echo
06:02.05DocScrutinizerok
06:02.06lenin_I had nearly a hour to done all
06:02.19lenin_o lol
06:02.30lenin_Collected errors:
06:02.30lenin_<PROTECTED>
06:02.34lenin_what is it?
06:02.42lenin_bad mirrors
06:02.43lenin_?
06:02.51DocScrutinizer404 is URL not found, no?
06:02.57lenin_ye
06:03.29roolylenin_:, the repo signatures have been broken for a while
06:03.36lenin_aa
06:03.41lenin_you got the same problem
06:04.01roolyeveryone does who downloads from the standard repo's
06:04.14lenin_humm
06:04.37lenin_I will try to install debian on it
06:04.42lenin_on sunday
06:05.50DocScrutinizerlenin_: well, at least by the time you finished this task, you are an expert for Neo FR ;-)
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06:07.52lenin_now all seems easy
06:08.23roolyneeds to go to bed
06:08.25roolynn
06:08.30lenin_Could not obtain administrative lock with is folder of lock
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06:10.04lenin_Oo
06:10.13DocScrutinizergoogle for it.Long time not seen this error, but was very common some months ago
06:10.36DocScrutinizerIIRC U need to stop another task
06:10.49lenin_yeye
06:10.53lenin_ok
06:10.58lenin_I got nano
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06:19.41lenin_humm what now I need install somesting
06:23.23slaxxinu need to flash a new os now
06:23.49slaxxin2008.12 is good but shr is better
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06:24.29slaxxin2007.2 is over
06:24.52DocScrutinizereeek, SO over
06:25.08slaxxinu still use it Doc?
06:25.13DocScrutinizernah
06:25.19DocScrutinizerfso here
06:25.24DocScrutinizerconsole
06:27.55DocScrutinizerwhere's Paul???
06:28.01lenin_guys where is console in phone?
06:28.12DocScrutinizerhuh?
06:28.22DocScrutinizerneed to install
06:28.51lenin_ufff
06:29.08lenin_just search in programs
06:29.15lenin_and don't see it
06:29.25DocScrutinizerterminal then
06:29.35DocScrutinizer(of course)
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06:30.31lenin_huh
06:30.39lenin_this repo works very bad
06:31.19lenin_so I need instal vala-terminal ?
06:31.54DocScrutinizerlenin_: OM official recommendation is you *flash a contemporary OS* is the first thing you do after unpacking FR and charging bat
06:32.26lenin_uff
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06:32.39lenin_you want to say that openmoko is a shit
06:34.27lenin_so what do I need to install?
06:34.39lenin_I got 512mb cards
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06:34.56DocScrutinizer2008.12 t start with
06:35.11lenin_ah I got it
06:35.20lenin_yesterday flashed
06:35.29DocScrutinizerah, ok. sorry
06:35.40lenin_so what now?
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06:37.25DocScrutinizerdon't ask me. I still don't care about "normal user" GUI etc.
06:37.37DocScrutinizerU know I'm the "HW-guy" ;)
06:38.03lenin_humm
06:38.06lenin_;]
06:38.19lenin_wich distrubution do you have
06:38.34DocScrutinizerFSO-console. No GUI
06:39.19DocScrutinizerBut I'd say just test the different distros
06:39.42lenin_i like debian very very much
06:39.49lenin_i got it on pc
06:39.56DocScrutinizer[2009-03-04 07:23:50] <slaxxin> 2008.12 is good but shr is better
06:40.01lenin_An error ocurred, return value: 2.
06:40.01lenin_<PROTECTED>
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06:42.29johnsu01so... http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/345
06:42.42johnsu01alert messages from boston's subway system trip that
06:43.09johnsu01updating to framework from git lets me at least retrieve the message book, but the message content is delivered as just "This is a binary message."
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06:46.09johnsu01I guess I should be able to unpack that in the client..
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07:29.53methril|workgood morning
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08:13.01Hopscotchgood morning
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09:09.40fish_hi
09:09.44fish_nezza-_-: ;)
09:09.58nezza-_-fish_: :-)
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09:10.59nezza-_-Hey guys. Can anyone tell me who is responsible for planet openmoko?
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09:13.02CIA-49openmoko: 03werner * r4947 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/capture/capture.c:
09:13.02CIA-49openmoko: Added framebuffer mode to have a viewfinder. The image is recognizable
09:13.02CIA-49openmoko: but the color mapping is all wrong and there's a stretching along the
09:13.02CIA-49openmoko: long axis by a factor of 2.
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11:27.23Grashey ppl
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11:27.49Grashow to i turn in GPS in the neo smartphone with android installed?
11:28.00Grasi tried the thing in the manual: opkg install gpsd
11:28.23Grasbut it says it doesn't know the command opkg
11:29.28Grasi allso installed andnav2 but that crashes when i load it up
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11:42.46Grasanybody awake? :P
11:42.52badcloudI am
11:43.46Grascool
11:43.46Grasdo you know how to fix GPS on the neo smartrunner with android?
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11:44.07Grasi tried installing andnav2 and doing the 'opkg install gpsd' thing but andnav crashes and my phone says it can't find the command opkg
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11:45.44badcloudanyone knows why I can't charge the battery under shr using andytracking?
11:45.44badcloudwhat's up, Gras?
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11:47.52badcloudsorry, not really
11:48.15Grasok
11:48.39Grasi dunno either
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12:21.32CIA-49openmoko: 03werner * r4948 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (17 files): Prepare patch stack for submission into OM repository.
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12:32.35joejoehi, i am trying to compile some gtkmm application for Om2008 and there are not available a some libraries (gtkmm, glibmm, libsigc++) for opkg-target. Is gtkmm supported? How can i install the libraries (trying to compile by my self, but it is difficult)?
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12:39.05rhkfinjoejoe: I'd like to learn it myself as well.. let me know if you figure it out.. Some instructions here: http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/cross_compiling/READ.txt
12:39.42rhkfinOr maybe you need to first compile the required libraries yourself? Sounds like.. pain..
12:43.14joejoei tried to compile, libsigc++  (one of dependencies) and there is some problem, that STL headers are not in includes
12:44.19joejoei am not able to compile hello world in c++ (because iostream file was not found)
12:44.31joejoewhat is the best way to fix this problem?
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12:45.44joejoei can add the path /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux/gnueabi/usr/include/c++/4.1.2 to configure command, but i am sure, that is bad solution
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12:48.58lenin_I forgot what I need to do see  ssh root@192.168.0.202
12:48.58lenin_@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
12:48.58lenin_@    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
12:48.58lenin_@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
12:48.58lenin_IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
12:48.59lenin_Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
12:49.01lenin_It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
12:49.03lenin_The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
12:49.05lenin_0c:2d:5b:78:dc:48:96:21:ae:98:f8:c4:2c:4a:19:14.
12:49.07lenin_Please contact your system administrator.
12:49.36lenin_ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202
12:49.38max_posedon$EDITOR ~/.ssh/known_host
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12:50.39lenin_what's a problem with opkg update
12:50.53lenin_I cann't download reposityroy
12:50.55rhkfina) no web connection or b) no signatures
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12:51.02rhkfinif b) - never mind.
12:51.02lenin_yeah no signatures
12:51.07rhkfinIt doesn't matter
12:51.11rhkfinit still works
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12:51.34lenin_I need install terminal what I need to paste
12:51.40lenin_opkg install fso?
12:52.28rhkfinecho "src/gz opkgorg http://www.opkg.org/packages" > /etc/opkg/opkg-feed.conf
12:52.29rhkfinopkg update
12:52.32rhkfinopkg install vala-terminal
12:52.43rhkfin(first install opkg.org repository for some nice apps)
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12:53.00rhkfinlenin_: do you have a clean 2008.12?
12:53.08lenin_yes
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12:53.22rhkfinCheck http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer
12:53.30rhkfinIt might do a lot of the stuff you need
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12:55.44rhkfinRunning it once installs you xterm and some of the most important fixes. Second run bloats your freerunner with opkg.org software :)
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12:57.31lenin_thnks a lot I got terminal
12:57.58lenin_now I want install some stuff for wifi in my school and browser
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12:58.40rhkfinif you installed that opkg.org repository then type opkg install minimo wlan
12:59.10rhkfinat the moment minomo works ~the best (and it's really bad/slow..)
12:59.23rhkfinyou also can try midori
12:59.32lenin_so
12:59.38rhkfinsee http://www.opkg.org/
12:59.39lenin_midori or imnimo wlan?
12:59.58rhkfinYou can install both (midori and minimo are web browsers, wlan is a wlan config tool)
13:00.15rhkfinmofi is another wlan tool
13:00.58lenin_shit
13:01.02lenin_how to remove lock
13:01.02lenin_?
13:01.10rhkfinlock?
13:01.10lenin_Could not obtain administrative lock
13:01.15lenin_yeah I stopped opkg
13:01.25lenin_and it is locked where is lock
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13:02.45rhkfindon't know..
13:09.18lenin_I got it
13:09.21lenin_rm /usr/lib/opkg/lock
13:09.53rhkfingood
13:10.19lenin_so what I need to install for wifi connecton
13:10.25lenin_mofi?
13:10.45lenin_does mofi search connection and then connect?
13:10.48rhkfinmofi or wlan
13:10.50rhkfinsee opkg.org
13:11.41lenin_momtools
13:11.54lenin_wicd
13:11.54lenin_xd
13:12.58rhkfinWelcome to the Linux world :)
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13:13.38lenin_humm
13:13.43lenin_Installing wlan (0.3) to root...
13:13.43lenin_Segmentation fault yeah
13:13.52rhkfinExcept momtools isn't available yet?
13:14.11rhkfinopkg install  http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk http://www.opkg.org/packages/wlan_0.3_arm.ipk
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13:14.39rhkfinthat might help - there's something wrong in the wlan package descriptions in opkg.org repository
13:14.55rhkfindid you check opkg.org?
13:15.32lenin_thnks
13:15.34lenin_no
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13:15.49lenin_yeah
13:15.54lenin_I got it wlan start
13:15.59lenin_is it for wifi network?
13:16.11rhkfincheck opkg.org...
13:16.35rhkfinthat's where you're installing those packages from..
13:16.44rhkfinit has more packages you want & instructions
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13:19.17lenin_so
13:19.25lenin_I need some advise
13:19.28lenin_first of all
13:19.46lenin_I want to install Debian distro is it good?
13:20.05rhkfinDepends. Some like it.
13:20.20lenin_I had debian on pc
13:20.25rhkfinDistros compared here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
13:22.03rhkfinGenerally I'd recommend SHR (though I've never tried it :(
13:22.57lenin_but can I have openmoko and Debian or it is better to have only 1 distro and what about free space
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13:23.38max_posedonlenin_, if you ask is Debian(or Gentoo) good on neo, you don't want it on neo
13:24.08lenin_:D
13:24.10lenin_ok ok
13:24.12lenin_I want it
13:24.29lenin_but I do not know how much space did it take
13:24.43rhkfinYou'll install them on the memory card, not the flash.
13:25.00rhkfinfyp can be installed on the card (and I'd guess it takes most of it, it's based on debian)
13:25.34lenin_so I will have some distro on memory and openmoko as a main but i do not know if speed of distro will be good
13:25.52rhkfinright.
13:26.03rhkfin15:22 < rhkfin> Generally I'd recommend SHR (though I've never tried it :(
13:26.18lenin_but I love Debian
13:26.39lenin_Debian uber alles Debian makes my phone free
13:26.49rhkfinok, fine, install debian then :)
13:26.55rhkfinSo what's your question?
13:27.26lenin_do I need to have debian and openmoko together
13:27.28lenin_?
13:27.42lenin_and is debian support firmware
13:27.44rhkfinno, you don't need to have any OS on the flash if you've installed Debian on the memory card
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13:28.06joejoeyou can try hackable:1 which is basically debian
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13:32.34lenin_open moko had a little shit keyboard i prefer this form 2007
13:32.44lenin_and how to off dictonary
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13:34.09Digital_PioneerCraaaaapp, that freaking alarm app has bricked my entire distro!
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13:36.04Digital_PioneerThe thing won't boot anymore, it just infinitely spawns aplays playing the alarm wav.
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13:38.14rhkfinDigital_Pioneer: ouch!
13:38.20rhkfinWhat distro / what alarm app?
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13:38.32Digital_PioneerSHR-unstable, enlightenment alarm.
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13:38.54Digital_PioneerIt worked in SHR testing, but now it's absolute crap and it's trying to brick my phone.
13:40.02Digital_PioneerI'm trying to recover it, seeing as it never stops spawning aplays, I ssh'ed in and ran `while (true) ; do killall aplay` and I'm trying to remove the stupid thing.
13:40.49Digital_PioneerStopped X, that fixed its little red wagon.... :P
13:40.59Digital_PioneerPardon me, elementary-alarm
13:42.54Digital_PioneerAhh, YES, I got it to quit.
13:42.55badcloudhas anyone installed debian on their FR?
13:43.03Digital_PioneerNow, I need a working alarm clock. :P
13:43.10badcloudI'm having trouble with the installer script
13:43.12Digital_PioneerHey! It even regged GSM.
13:43.15Digital_PioneerImpressive.
13:43.21badcloudit gets stuck on fdisk because of the cylinder reate
13:43.22badcloudrate
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13:44.26Digital_PioneerOK! Death to elementary-alarm!
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14:02.05lenin1hello
14:02.47lenin1i had pigin on phon:-D
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14:06.22rhkfincan you configure it to actually use some IM?
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14:44.18lenin_lol, I got this problem
14:44.19lenin_http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2259316
14:44.33lenin_ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
14:45.27rhkfintry http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/fr_bind
14:45.41henklenin_: put the output of '/sbin/ifconfig usb0' and '/sbin/route -n' on paste.debian.net please
14:45.52slaxxinwhich os u have now linin?
14:45.58slaxxinlenin?
14:46.01lenin_openmoko
14:46.14lenin_it happend
14:46.18slaxxinwell the one that came with the phone?
14:46.34lenin_after I installed wifi and browser
14:46.40lenin_flashed
14:47.03slaxxinfyp is pretty good debian based os
14:47.27slaxxinexcept u need reading glasses to see
14:48.52CIA-49openmoko: 03werner * r4949 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (14 files): Final revision for submission.
14:49.02slaxxinyea
14:49.06slaxxin<PROTECTED>
14:50.14slaxxinok
14:50.41slaxxinmaybe its a reboot
14:51.02lenin_maybe it is problem cuz when I installed new keyboard
14:51.09lenin_I got critical error
14:51.17slaxxinwhich os is it
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14:51.38slaxxin2008.12?
14:51.41lenin_y
14:51.42slaxxin2008.09
14:51.49lenin_yep
14:52.25slaxxini used an image from bytestore that seemed very good
14:53.06slaxxinhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore
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14:59.23lenin_so what I need to do
14:59.43lenin_ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
15:00.40henklenin_: read what other people tell you
15:01.07slaxxinwell if u havent reebooted since your install   i would reboot
15:01.27slaxxinso u can ssh ibn
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15:09.23lenin_omg what a stupid problem
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15:11.04henklenin_: do we want to know?
15:12.30lenin_192.168.0.202
15:12.43lenin_ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
15:12.48lenin_I think it is bug
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15:13.53henki think it's a layer8 problem
15:14.01lenin_humm
15:14.18lenin_I will be for 4hours going study physic
15:14.21lenin_see you
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15:14.28henkcan hardly wait...
15:14.49henkwhat a ...
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15:27.42nezza-_-henk: think it was a problem with his routing ;-) may his local network also is in 192.168.0.0
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15:29.41henknezza-_-: very probably. that's why i wanted to see ifconfig and route output... but layer8 definitely has big problems too.
15:30.15nezza-_-henk: absolutly ;)
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15:40.25badcloudcan anyone help me install debian manually on the uSD?
15:40.43badcloudwhat else do I need apart from the extracted fs image and the uImage?
15:41.04badcloudon an ext2 filesystem
15:41.48nezza-_-<PROTECTED>
15:41.48nezza-_-..  .. [o]>AK-. 04.03.09 15:34 ;)                                              .
15:41.51nezza-_-..  .. [o] fr3. 04.03.09 15:37 im mom hab ich soo keine lust auf diese doofe   .
15:41.56nezza-_-aeh.. sorry.
15:41.58nezza-_-middle mousebutton
15:42.29teythoonhrrr
15:42.30henkbadcloud: there are instructions about installing debian in the wiki...
15:42.38teythoonbadcloud: what do you mean by
15:42.44teythoonmanually installing ?
15:43.04teythoonbadcloud: w/o using the script?
15:43.18henk'extracting the tarball with tar' vs 'clicking on it in nautilus' :-p
15:45.12badcloudyup
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15:45.24badcloudthe script complained about to many cylinders
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15:50.09teythoonbadcloud: I installed debian successfully using the install.sh script and the wikipage doesn't mention any alternatives
15:50.45teythoonbadcloud: could you be more specific on the problem you encountered?
15:51.49badcloudsure, fdisk reported that the cylinder count was too high
15:51.54badcloudthat it was above 1024
15:52.02badcloudthen the script quitted
15:52.08badcloudso I'm trying manually
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15:52.19badcloudI downloaded the fs.tar.gz
15:52.23henkhow big is your usd?
15:52.28badcloud16GB
15:52.41badcloudI made a primary 3GB linux partition
15:52.50Dave:)
15:52.54teythoonI did the partition step manually and still used the install script
15:52.55badcloudhey there Dave
15:53.04badcloudI see
15:53.04henkteythoon: ack me too
15:53.08badcloudmaybe I try that
15:53.14badcloudI thought the script partitions
15:53.17teythoonyou can select wich stages to run on the command line
15:53.56badcloudwell, now that I have a working ext2 fs
15:53.57teythoonjust partition, format and mount your target partition
15:54.02badcloudmaybe it will work
15:55.01teythoonINST_MIRROR=your mirror here INST_DIR=/where/ever ./install.sh debian apt fso configuration kernel
15:55.11henkQI=true
15:55.12henk:-p
15:55.15badcloudright
15:55.17badcloudwill do
15:55.27teythoongood luck :)
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15:55.50teythoonbadcloud: it takes some time though... like 2 hours...
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15:56.56badcloud"the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 486192"
15:57.04henkdoesn't matter.
15:57.08badcloudgot EOF thrice - exiting
15:57.19badcloudapparently the script didn't like that
15:57.34henkflash memory doesn't have such things and so they are set to insane values...
15:57.43henkdo that step manually then
15:57.45badcloudworkaround?
15:57.57teythoonbadcloud: make sure to report your success or any problems wrt the sdcard at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards
15:58.39henkbadcloud: well, first give _all_ available information on your problem, _then_ ask for help. read the smart questions howto if you need more information on the topic 'how to ask for help properly'
15:59.08badcloudyes on u-boot 1.3.2-moko12
15:59.22badcloudyes on  linux 2.6.24+git75969 (2008.8 kernel as of Sept. 4, 2008)
15:59.50badcloud<PROTECTED>
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16:00.23badcloudI'm running shr unstable Feb9 on qi
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16:02.37teythoonand the script is failing at which stage?
16:02.54Digital_PioneerHello, world.
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16:03.44max_posedonWho can saw few words about xf86-video-glamo status? is it a works? at least sometimes?)
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16:04.21lenin_ok
16:04.23tig|max_posedon:  I think there is a post on the planet about it from yesterday
16:04.26lenin_today free
16:04.42max_posedontig|, Could you give me a link?
16:05.06badcloudteythoon, after trying or building a new DOS disklabel
16:05.14tig|max_posedon:  http://www.turran.org/2009/03/glamo-xrender-benchmark-with-expedite.html
16:05.18max_posedonthanks
16:05.19lenin_so what do with that
16:05.22lenin_ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host?
16:05.42badcloudlenini_, via usb or wifi?
16:05.47lenin_usb
16:06.18badcloud'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0' first
16:06.44teythoonbadcloud: but you did this manually and formatted the partition, right?
16:06.50badcloudyup
16:07.06badcloudI didn't fiddle with the DOS disklabel though
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16:07.27badcloudonly made a primary 3GB linux at the beginning of the uSD
16:08.42teythoonand you told the installer just to run the stages from debian to kernel as I suggested?
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16:10.07badcloudI can't believe I have to pay almost 150 euro if I want a beagle board in Norway
16:10.22badcloudhow did you suggest, teythoon?
16:10.34badcloudI couldn't translate what you said to the right syntax
16:10.37teythoonINST_MIRROR=your mirror here INST_DIR=/where/ever ./install.sh debian apt fso configuration kernel
16:10.38badcloudor understand it
16:12.00badcloudit started downloading cdebootstrap.deb
16:12.03badcloudfinished rather
16:12.10teythoon*whee*
16:12.17badcloudis that it?
16:12.20badcloudyay
16:12.26teythoonthink so
16:12.36badcloudwill it boot after the installer finishes?
16:12.40lenin_see this
16:12.45lenin_TX packets:1 errors:52 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
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16:12.50lenin_52 errors
16:13.22lenin_I will better install something else
16:13.32henklenin_: i told you what to do? why do you still keep asking?
16:13.48lenin_cuz it doesn't wor
16:13.59badcloudhere's hoping it works
16:14.05badcloudthanks so much, teythoon
16:14.14henklenin_: if you don't understand what people tell you, you should say so. don't just ask the same question all over. that's just stupid.
16:14.41teythoonlenin_: could you run on your host system the following and paste the output: ip route
16:15.08lenin_but I haven't that problem before
16:15.08teythoonbadcloud: you're welcome :)
16:15.24lenin_it happend after wifi install
16:15.33badcloudthe stage where it takes the most is retrieving packages?
16:15.35henklenin_: doesn't matter.
16:15.46badcloudI just want to feel safe leaving it alone now
16:16.00henklenin_: we can't help without the information we need to understand your network.
16:16.16henklenin_: please go and read the smart questions howto.
16:17.26teythoonbadcloud: the package installing and configuration magic takes much more time
16:17.54teythoonbadcloud: plug it in and do something else for like two hours ;)
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16:19.01badcloudI'm off for a swim :)
16:19.05badcloudyayyyyy
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16:24.58teythoonuh, I am having trouble with the backlight management on debian
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16:26.52teythoonit goes dim even though I am actively using the phone and creating pointer events...
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16:27.13henkteythoon: always or only after a suspend?
16:28.59teythoonalways
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16:30.07teythoonit happens frequently after enabling the wifi device, but that could be just a coincidence...
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16:32.05henkhm ok, i sometimes have that, i think after suspending, but i'm not sure yet.
16:33.41teythoonwho manages the backlight? the frameworkd?
16:34.21teythooni believe there is a dbus resource to control the backlight...
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16:34.38henkit can, i remember reading that in a faq somewhere...
16:34.55henkhow to change the time to dim with fso or debian...
16:34.55Serdaris openmoko represented at the CeBIT 09?
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16:37.36nezza-_-ScarEye: i don't think so.
16:37.42nezza-_-ScarEye: sorry, was to serdar
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16:37.53nezza-_-Serdar: i don't think so
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16:38.36Serdarhmm that's bad :/
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16:39.46joejoegood news everyone, i have packaged tangogps 0.96 and posted it on opkg.org
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16:51.55teythoonhenk: turns out that commenting out the blocks in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml concerning the idle state handling (last two) works around this problem...
16:53.41henkteythoon: ah thanks
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16:54.56teythoonhenk: just remember to reenable these things and restart the frameworkd... this should be quite a battery killer :D
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17:39.53freerunnerlivedoes anyone have a funktional icq messager in android ?
17:40.07freerunnerliveups
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17:56.30mib_c95py0Hi
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17:56.49mib_c95py0What is the GPS chip set used in Freerunner ?
17:57.10mib_c95py0Basically I am looking for the Data Sheet of Freerunner's AGPS
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18:02.56Zorkmanmib_c95py0: it's on the wiki
18:03.34Zorkmanhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS
18:03.42Zorkmanhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-blox_ANTARIS_4_ATR0635
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18:05.57mib_c95py0Zorkman: Great & Thanks .. :)
18:06.27bgatStupid question, perhaps, but if my opkg is still pointing at shr-unstable then am I getting the "latest and greatest"?
18:06.48bgat... or is the testing version actually more recent at the moment?
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18:10.44mib_c95py0Is it possible to find the GPS accuracy in meters based on DOP Values ??
18:11.00SpeedEvilNo
18:11.30mib_c95py0Is there any other means to find that ??
18:11.46mib_c95py0I mean the accuracy the GPS calculation in meters
18:11.51SpeedEvilDOP is a crude multiplier of how much less accurate an ideal GPS neglecting some errors might be than with an optimal arrangement of satellites.
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18:13.36mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: So is it not possible to find the current GPS accuracy in meters ??
18:13.46SpeedEvilNot as I understand it.
18:13.50SpeedEvilthe GPS doesn't really know.
18:13.55SpeedEvilIt can make educated guesses.
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18:15.35mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: Educated Guesses ?
18:15.57SpeedEvilyes.
18:16.49mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: What kind of Educated Guesses ?
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18:18.25SpeedEvilIf for example, the calculated range to one satellite is 20m out compared to 4 other satellites that are +-3m accurate compared to a hypothesised postion, the error may be as much as 23m or so
18:18.52SpeedEvilAlternatively, the error may be only 3m, and the other satellite be having multipath problems
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18:19.31mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: Is it possible to retrieve this info ??
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18:20.15SpeedEvilno
18:20.45mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: Okk
18:20.50SpeedEvilor rather, not in standard mode
18:21.35mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: My requirement is that I want to display the accuracy of GPS in meters instead of displaying raw DOP values
18:21.53SpeedEvilyou can't.
18:22.00max_posedonmib_c95py0, just open wiki
18:22.12SpeedEvilEven GPS recievers that do are fundamentally lying, for obvious reasons.
18:22.18max_posedonthereis a map HDOP <-> accuracy
18:22.36max_posedonhdop <-> meters
18:22.48SpeedEvilThe best you can achieve is a guess.
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18:23.53SpeedEvilA first cut would be a HDOP lookup table.
18:24.09SpeedEvilA better solution would also look at reported sat strengths - GPGSV results
18:24.58SpeedEvilbut to do that right is complex
18:26.04mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: Sounds good ... But I guess this involves a few computations to be done from my side
18:26.20SpeedEvilIs this just showing the user?
18:26.29SpeedEvilOr do you actually need it to be accurate?
18:26.30mib_c95py0max_posedon: Could n't find the link @ wiki ...
18:26.42mib_c95py0SpeedEvil: That is just for the user
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18:27.11max_posedonmib_c95py0, can't find it now too.. sorry was somewhere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDOP
18:27.46max_posedondescription was smth like hdop 1 about 1mm, hdop 10 - abuot football field(100m)
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18:28.28mib_c95py0max_posedon: Ok .. I will try googling ..
18:29.33SpeedEvilThe HDOP calculation above looks sane.
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18:30.01SpeedEvilIt might be worth not using unit vectors, but vectors that reflect the recieved signal strength too.
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18:30.33SpeedEvilBut that's quite complex to get right, and involves lots of reverse enigneering observed performance to get to actual behaviour
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18:41.57teythoonbadcloud: how is your install going?
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18:48.08bricodeIs there a 2.6.26 commit/branch that I can use that is relatively stable?
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18:56.26lenin_guys how to flash SHR
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18:58.42teythoonlenin_: you can use dfu-util to flash your phone from your workstation
18:58.50teythoonlenin_: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing for details
18:58.51lenin_yes I go it
18:59.01lenin_but I do not know wich image to flash
18:59.11lenin_shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2?
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18:59.37lenin_uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin?
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19:01.03teythoonlenin_: well, you need both. the first one is the root filesystem, the second one is the kernel iirc...
19:01.11lenin_ah ok
19:01.14lenin_I know
19:01.30lenin_so lets try
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19:02.03teythoonlenin_: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Install has some more information
19:04.49lenin_interesting what does this flags mean
19:04.53lenin_dfu-util -a kernel -R -D
19:05.00lenin_-a -R -D?
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19:20.42johnsu01lenin_: they are explained in man dfu-util
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19:29.06fredrinlenin_: -R is reset -D download -a is the place in memory
19:29.15fredrinmore or less
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19:42.20lenin_humm what does it mean dfuERROR, clearing status
19:42.20lenin_not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
19:42.20lenin_Opening USB Device...
19:42.20lenin_No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
19:48.09lenin_lol
19:48.15lenin_I run again and it work
19:48.22lenin_what was that
19:48.34mmontourIt does that sometimes.
19:50.47lenin_do you think now all be alright
19:50.48lenin_?
19:51.37mmontourWell, the "not at least 2 device changes found" problem goes away when you re-run the command. I can't guarantee that everything else will work
19:51.50lenin_:/
19:52.08lenin_but SHR is better than openmoko I even read that it is the best distribution
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19:56.57fredrinlenin_: shr is nice
19:57.26lenin_is it possible if I flash phone very often he borke
19:58.03fredrinflash away, but it's boring to wait all the time and take backup
19:58.17fredrinI'm sticking with shr-testing for a while now
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20:11.46lenin_what profile need I choose Illume SHR
20:11.48lenin_or Illume
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20:14.01von_fritzIllume SHR
20:15.51CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r437b3564fbf2 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: channel.py: cache autogenerated prefixes since re.findall is an expensive call
20:16.36lenin_oh it working
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20:31.47lenin_lol
20:31.49lenin_I can not off suspend
20:32.09lenin_Failed to bring up usb0.
20:32.11lenin_humm
20:32.27lenin_usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
20:32.29lenin_Failed to bring up usb0.
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20:39.54von_fritzlenin_ reboot ;)
20:40.51von_fritzin first boot usb0 is not working
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20:42.18lenin_aaa
20:42.19lenin_xd
20:42.21lenin_thnks
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21:00.46badcloudteythoon, still there?
21:01.28badcloudlooks like everything went ok, except for that it couldn't download passwd
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21:03.20badcloudI'm going to try booting
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21:06.28badcloudanyone there? I can't seem to boot to NAND
21:07.45lindi-badcloud: "from nand" you mean?
21:08.00badcloudright
21:08.07badcloudnot too smooth wit da lingo
21:08.24badcloudI tried booting from ext2 via NOR
21:08.31badcloudbut it claims to not have a valid image
21:08.41badcloudisn't that something the debian installer script downloads?
21:09.01lindi-badcloud: your u-boot probably does not support ext2
21:09.08badcloudprobably
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21:45.52Digital_PioneerSo is there any easy way to manually download a slew of OSM maps and drop them in my cache for TangoGPS?
21:47.10lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i think there are at least three scripts for that. however, i'm not sure how nice that is towards openstreetmap.org
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21:47.48lindi-they have hard time coping up with the bandwidth generated by interactive users already
21:49.53Digital_PioneerHmmm.
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21:50.23lindi-Digital_Pioneer: vector maps are the way to go :)
21:50.37Daveterve
21:50.40lindi-Digital_Pioneer: or you can render your own tiles
21:50.43azaghalterve?
21:50.49lindi-Digital_Pioneer: it's surprisingly unhard
21:51.37Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Yeah. Can TangoGPS use vector maps?
21:51.42Digital_PioneerI assume those are smaller...
21:51.46lindi-Digital_Pioneer: nope
21:51.59Digital_PioneerHmph.
21:52.00lindi-Digital_Pioneer: lot smaller yes
21:52.52Digital_Pioneerlindi-: So what on the FR uses them?
21:52.53azaghalHm... Is it possible to get those vector maps from OSM?
21:53.06azaghal(and render them?)
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21:55.40lindi-Digital_Pioneer: at least navit
21:55.48Digital_PioneerYeah.
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21:56.06lenin_guys I want to copy something on phone
21:56.09lenin_is it properly
21:56.12lenin_scp /home/lenin/Desktop/Goethe - Faust.pdf root@192.168.0.202:
21:56.12lenin_<PROTECTED>
21:56.30azaghalYep
21:56.37azaghalExcept...
21:56.52Digital_PioneerShould work, except those spaces need escaping.
21:56.56azaghalYou need to put /home/lenin/.,....pdf under quotes ;)
21:57.07retracile... and no space between the : and the /
21:57.27lenin_aaa
21:57.42Digital_Pioneerscp /path/to/local/file user@host:/path/to/remote/file
21:59.53lenin_scp: .: not a regular file
22:00.53lenin_/home/lenin/Desktop/Faust.pdf: No such file or directory
22:00.54lenin_lol
22:00.56azaghalscp /home/lenin/Desktop/Goethe\ -\ Faust.pdf root@192.168.0.202:/home/root/
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22:03.23lenin_what is wrong?
22:03.49lenin_scp /home/lenin/Faust.pdf root@192.168.0.202:/home/roo
22:03.49lenin_t/Desktop  
22:04.44Digital_Pioneerlenin_: You have a Desktop folder on your FR?
22:04.55lenin_yes
22:05.15Digital_PioneerHuh, I guess there is one...
22:05.16Digital_Pioneer:P
22:05.22Digital_PioneerDidn't even know.
22:06.00lenin_i got /home/root/Desktop
22:06.17lenin_and I copy from /home/lenin/Faust.pdf
22:06.50Digital_PioneerI usually just do `scp file root@host:` and then SSH in to move it where I want it.
22:07.56lenin_cp: cannot stat '/home/lenin/Faust.pdf': No such file or directory
22:08.00lenin_strange
22:08.23Digital_PioneerJust to be sure, you ARE logged in at your computer and not SSH'd into the FR right? :P
22:08.32lenin_aaa
22:08.32lenin_xd
22:08.37Digital_Pioneer;)
22:09.07lenin_thnks god
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22:29.40badcloudhey
22:29.52badcloudcould someone help me with the debian installer script?
22:30.09badcloudit's getting stuck on opening data.tar.gz
22:30.14badcloud'file exists'
22:30.19badcloudwhere?!
22:31.46tomboy64are the panicking kernel's still the recommended ones for android-wannabes?
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22:42.48Digital_Pioneerlindi-: So do you know how to use Navit, by any chance?
22:43.26lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i can browse maps and zoom with it
22:43.45Digital_PioneerDo I need to xrandr -o left or something?
22:44.30lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i didn't need to :)
22:44.42Digital_Pioneer:\ I have a map with no buttons.
22:44.50Digital_PioneerThe screenshots all have stuff on the sides.
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22:45.39astrobearcan you make phone calls with openmoko?
22:45.58Digital_PioneerYes. :P
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22:46.51[Rui]astrobear: I use it as my main phone
22:47.21[Rui]astrobear: it's not without it's set of problems, more so maybe than most, but at least it's Free Software
22:48.14fredrinastrobear: When the phone is turned off, you can use it as a mirror
22:49.16astrobearsweet. what providers support openmoko?
22:49.41lindi-astrobear: all GSM providers?
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22:52.51astrobearverizon then?
22:53.08astrobearthat would be great
22:53.31astrobeari thought such carriers wouldn't support phones which they don't sell you
22:56.56lindi-astrobear: no USA experience here
22:57.10lindi-astrobear: but i don't think they are allowed to not serve you
22:58.53eolsonastrobear, tmobile and att for sure,  I'm not sure, but I think verizon may be moving to GSM, historically they've been CDMA
22:59.18eolsonso maybe someone else can chime in if they know anything about verizon
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23:40.08badcloudhow would one output the FR's video to a monitor/tv
23:40.08badcloud?
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23:41.36shellevilone wouldn't,
23:41.47badcloudcan't?
23:41.53shellevilWell - it's horribly hard.
23:41.57badcloudgotcha
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23:42.04shellevilexport the X display to a computer of some form
23:42.13badcloudbah
23:42.14shellevilrun that through a projector
23:42.26shellevilUSB video cards don't support USB1
23:42.33badcloudI'll just get me a beagle board
23:42.40shellevilOr there is the stupid 'point a camera at it'.
23:43.13badcloud155 euro...
23:43.21badcloudnot sure that's worth it
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23:46.29shellevilbeagle board is cool.
23:46.54badcloudwould you recommend one to a non-dev?
23:47.07badcloudI'm thinking of getting one
23:47.19shellevilI dunno.
23:47.31badcloud...
23:47.36shellevilI haven't got one
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