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| 13:15.14 | sigius | I have put another image on my openmoko phone (than it shipped with). Have I voided the warranty in doing so ? I am asking because the phone is suffering from audio buzz (gsm radio interference on mic) and I'd like to return it. |
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| 13:17.23 | SpeedEvil | sigius: you have a 14 day 'doa' warranty |
| 13:17.38 | SpeedEvil | sigius: as I understand it |
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| 13:17.45 | SpeedEvil | sigius: where did you buy it from? |
| 13:17.49 | SpeedEvil | sigius: and where are you? |
| 13:18.05 | PaulFertser_ | sigius: but probably gsm buzz is not considered the case for DOA |
| 13:18.20 | PaulFertser_ | sigius: and of course you can't void your warranty by flashing any distro. |
| 13:18.40 | PaulFertser_ | sigius: btw, do you know how the buzz can be fixed? |
| 13:18.44 | SpeedEvil | If you bought it in the EU, as I'm assuming you're in the netherlands you have a right under the distance selling rules to return it. (for about a week before it) |
| 13:18.52 | SpeedEvil | But yes, it can be fixed. |
| 13:20.19 | sigius | SpeedEvil, I bought it 6 months ago in germany and I am in the netherlands myself |
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| 13:20.36 | SpeedEvil | k, the above (other than the 'can be fixed') doesn't apply. |
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| 13:21.11 | sigius | " (for about a week before it ) " ? before it whats ? |
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| 13:21.18 | SpeedEvil | sigius: sorry - typo |
| 13:21.23 | Gras | hi |
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| 13:22.02 | SpeedEvil | sigius: the distance selling legislation mean you can typically in the EU return any item bought from a distance for a full refund until around a week after the delivery. |
| 13:22.27 | SpeedEvil | However, it's possible to fix it, with some soldering. |
| 13:22.53 | sigius | SpeedEvil, right, but I think its different when its broken. I think I can return within a year or even two |
| 13:23.15 | SpeedEvil | sigius: I don't know which laws may be in force in your area with regards to that. |
| 13:23.30 | sigius | SpeedEvil, I have seen the fix described but it seems rather complex (to me anyway) |
| 13:23.45 | sigius | SpeedEvil, I dont do any oldering myself |
| 13:23.53 | sigius | s/oldering/soldering |
| 13:24.59 | baba_melone | Hi |
| 13:25.16 | baba_melone | is here anyone with experiences with SDL on the Freerunner? |
| 13:25.36 | lindi- | baba_melone: yep |
| 13:25.49 | baba_melone | how do I increase SDL performance |
| 13:26.01 | baba_melone | I need 0.4 secs to blit the whole screen |
| 13:26.11 | baba_melone | which i wanna do to clear it |
| 13:27.07 | baba_melone | I wrote a program that shows the perpendicular |
| 13:27.14 | baba_melone | with the accelerometers |
| 13:27.24 | baba_melone | but the SDL performance...sucks |
| 13:28.00 | baba_melone | But I wonder why, because battle for wesnoth runs quite playable, and so do numptyphysics and pingus |
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| 13:28.07 | baba_melone | and they are all using the sdl |
| 13:28.50 | lindi- | baba_melone: you are doing something inefficient then i guess |
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| 13:29.50 | baba_melone | well, Im just executing SDL_BlitSurface |
| 13:30.01 | baba_melone | and im using C, so it should be faster i thought |
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| 13:31.31 | baba_melone | lindi-: How long should it actually take to blit the whole screen |
| 13:32.37 | lindi- | baba_melone: raster just said 85 ms |
| 13:32.46 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally, the GPU is connected over a 7Mbyte/s bus |
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| 13:33.59 | lindi- | that makes theoretical limit 84 ms |
| 13:34.37 | moo---_ | that is kind of a sad limit :) |
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| 13:35.17 | baba_melone_ | damn it |
| 13:35.24 | baba_melone_ | internet connection sucks |
| 13:36.33 | baba_melone_ | lindi-: did you say sth. in the past few minutes, my internet connection got lost |
| 13:37.07 | lindi- | baba_melone_: < lindi-> baba_melone: raster just said 85 ms |
| 13:37.11 | lindi- | baba_melone_: < lindi-> that makes theoretical limit 84 ms |
| 13:38.23 | baba_melone_ | k |
| 13:38.38 | baba_melone_ | so do you have an idea why it takes so long for me? |
| 13:38.49 | baba_melone_ | wait, ill put some code to pastebin |
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| 13:42.08 | baba_melone_ | http://pastebin.com/m5f0cf1b |
| 13:42.56 | baba_melone_ | I actually wanted to do some further stuff with SDL on my freerunner than drawing a perpendicular |
| 13:43.25 | baba_melone_ | but with such a performance, I can hardly print the angle of the perpendicular |
| 13:43.46 | sigius | SpeedEvil, PaulFertser_, do you happen to know if there is a place (maybe a reseller) where I can have the gsm buzz issue fixed ?? |
| 13:44.32 | SpeedEvil | sigius: PaulFertser_ has repeatedly said that it's 'easy' to find one, and 'any electronics repair place' can do this, I've argued that it's difficult for a user to find one. |
| 13:44.48 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if I'm right, or he is. |
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| 13:45.08 | baba_melone_ | my distro is SHR, x server is Xglamo |
| 13:45.11 | SpeedEvil | And no, as far as I know, nobodies setup as a FR GSM buz fizer |
| 13:45.24 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: sigius the thing is that i can easily supervise and guide any cell phone repair technician to do it fast and safe. |
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| 13:47.18 | baba_melone_ | raster: how did you manage to blit the whole screen in < 90 ms |
| 13:47.32 | baba_melone_ | what did you take therefor |
| 13:48.11 | baba_melone_ | could you have a view at my (very few) code: http://pastebin.com/m5f0cf1b |
| 13:48.55 | sigius | SpeedEvil, PaulFertser_, ok thanks, i guess I'll first ask my reseller for a refund |
| 13:49.36 | PaulFertser_ | sigius: you then loose the ability to use the first free smartphone ;) |
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| 13:50.30 | sigius | PaulFertser_, you have point, I'll settle for an A7 model then :) |
| 13:50.43 | sigius | A point rather |
| 13:52.10 | PaulFertser_ | sigius: ah, that'd be a good move then. |
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| 13:55.15 | baba_melone_ | noone else an idea or experiences with SDL? |
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| 13:55.48 | sigius | i've been out of the loop for a while (my openmoko has been gathering dust for 5 months really).Are there any new developments? More specifically whats the prevailling distro currently ? , And is there anything interesting on the roadmap (newer models maybe) ? |
| 13:59.06 | moo---_ | sigius: android might interest you |
| 13:59.40 | baba_melone_ | fyp is a new distro |
| 14:00.01 | baba_melone_ | its a community project of the german freeyourphone.de forum |
| 14:00.23 | baba_melone_ | based on debian, lxde(very fast!!) as a window manager and zhone |
| 14:01.04 | baba_melone_ | and FSO was released with Paroli installed |
| 14:01.09 | lindi- | baba_melone_: are the sources already available somewhere? |
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| 14:01.59 | TsaiHarry | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry |
| 14:02.17 | baba_melone_ | lindi-: what sources? |
| 14:02.27 | baba_melone_ | of paroli? |
| 14:02.38 | lindi- | baba_melone_: of fyp |
| 14:02.47 | baba_melone_ | well its debian driven |
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| 14:03.21 | lindi- | baba_melone_: so? they obviously made some changes, where are those? |
| 14:03.21 | baba_melone_ | and because of that it is surely based on free software |
| 14:03.42 | lindi- | baba_melone_: from the .bash_history I can see that nano was used to modify some files for example |
| 14:04.14 | baba_melone_ | i dunno whether they published all their work |
| 14:04.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r43c702908041 10/ (31 files in 4 dirs): clean up build a bit, build static phonesim library |
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| 14:06.14 | baba_melone_ | lindi-: here you can see the fyp thread on freeyourphone.de http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=912&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=fyp |
| 14:06.24 | baba_melone_ | its in german, though |
| 14:06.31 | sigius | thanks, sounds interesting, i am hoping these distros have a nicer gui then the vanilla Om 2008 (which I found to be godawful ugly) |
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| 14:07.22 | sigius | oops, no trol intended here |
| 14:07.38 | lindi- | baba_melone_: hrm, they also seem to have binaries in their version control system :( |
| 14:09.21 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r258f23d3effa 10/ (app/app.pro data/gsm-xml.pl gsm-xml.pl): add pro file for app |
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| 14:31.06 | PBeck | ahoi :) |
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| 14:44.27 | neostrider | hey folks |
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| 14:46.49 | TsaiHarry | dear folks.. give me a hand http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry |
| 14:46.58 | TsaiHarry | fill the survey |
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| 14:47.56 | neostrider | TsaiHarry: Im new to openmoko , can I participate on the survey? |
| 14:48.11 | neostrider | (I only booted OpenMoko once in my Moto A1200) |
| 14:49.07 | TsaiHarry | no problem |
| 14:49.13 | TsaiHarry | welcome... |
| 14:49.17 | neostrider | thanks |
| 14:49.27 | neostrider | is there any support for SDL applications under OpenMoko? |
| 14:49.40 | neostrider | I have a 3D game engine already runnning on Maemo and EZX... |
| 14:52.34 | mjr | Yes, but you won't likely get any good performace due to the GPU bottleneck. (If qvga works nowadays and is sufficient, that mode might help) |
| 14:53.19 | neostrider | mjr: I do software rendering ;-) |
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| 14:57.17 | TsaiHarry | somebody told if the survey without gifts is difficult to get lot feedback from public... |
| 14:58.15 | neostrider | TsaiHarry: what? |
| 14:59.47 | TsaiHarry | I mean no incentive for survey is hard to collect information back.. |
| 15:00.58 | neostrider | well, I've just finished filling in |
| 15:01.10 | TsaiHarry | thank you very much |
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| 15:01.43 | neostrider | as we from Brazil would say (slang): "as ordi!" |
| 15:02.39 | TsaiHarry | Brazil , sounds so hot!! |
| 15:03.35 | neostrider | you bet it! yesterday was the hotest day of the year... |
| 15:04.18 | neostrider | and right now we have 39 celsius in the shadow (Im in Rio) |
| 15:04.19 | TsaiHarry | what's time in your end? |
| 15:05.15 | neostrider | noon, in the mark |
| 15:05.25 | CVirus | sometimes it reaches 45C in cairo |
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| 15:05.52 | rooly | i'll admit, thats hot, but is it dry or wet |
| 15:06.15 | TsaiHarry | 45c... can't image that |
| 15:06.25 | neostrider | here is very wet, as I live near a lagoon and a beach |
| 15:06.26 | CVirus | sometimes the latter and sometimes the former |
| 15:07.12 | rooly | then i agree, that is miserably hot |
| 15:07.29 | CVirus | at least it's not hotter than the other cities in the arabian gulf |
| 15:07.34 | CVirus | where it reaches 47-50C |
| 15:07.36 | CVirus | :-) |
| 15:07.48 | rooly | lives in south louisiana, were ~25 is hotter than 30 in most othe rplaces |
| 15:07.54 | neostrider | wow! |
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| 15:08.09 | neostrider | I personally hate this wheather |
| 15:08.16 | CVirus | same |
| 15:08.16 | neostrider | Im not very well adjusted to it |
| 15:08.27 | TsaiHarry | brazil and beach...I can feel the sea wind is come to me ;) |
| 15:08.44 | neostrider | my familly is from the north of portugal...I was suposed to be shovelling some snow |
| 15:08.52 | CVirus | haha |
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| 15:10.09 | TsaiHarry | hehe..I was busy for business in my past 10 years |
| 15:10.48 | neostrider | where do you live, TsaiHarry? |
| 15:10.52 | TsaiHarry | I don't know what I busy for.. |
| 15:10.58 | TsaiHarry | I am in Taiwan |
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| 15:11.52 | neostrider | well, I guess Taiwan must have its own natural beauties too. right? |
| 15:12.03 | TsaiHarry | yes.. |
| 15:12.57 | neostrider | see? I would indeed tell you that our beaches are not that great |
| 15:12.58 | TsaiHarry | but..I never been to some place of Taiwan |
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| 15:13.08 | neostrider | you should seek caribean beaches... |
| 15:14.02 | TsaiHarry | I like sit down and face to beach...just sit there all day.. |
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| 15:16.33 | neostrider | me too |
| 15:16.41 | TsaiHarry | peace and comfortable |
| 15:16.42 | neostrider | and thats why I love portable devices |
| 15:16.46 | neostrider | I can have it all |
| 15:17.02 | neostrider | my songs, my friends, take some pictures |
| 15:17.10 | neostrider | all in the sand of the beach |
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| 15:19.24 | TsaiHarry | anyway....still need people help to fill the survey |
| 15:19.39 | TsaiHarry | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry |
| 15:20.05 | root_at | TsaiHarry, hmm...will go through it soon |
| 15:20.31 | TsaiHarry | thanks for your kindly help!! ;) |
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| 15:23.12 | TsaiHarry | ask a stupid question.... |
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| 15:23.29 | TsaiHarry | why you talk to me the message is red color? |
| 15:23.39 | rooly | lets see |
| 15:23.56 | rooly | is the earth a big turtle, or is it really flat |
| 15:24.17 | neostrider | TsaiHarry: this happens when I include your name in the message? |
| 15:24.37 | TsaiHarry | rooly: like this |
| 15:24.45 | rooly | mmhmm |
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| 15:25.01 | rooly | its a pretty standard feature, where the message is highlighted and the window flashes |
| 15:25.08 | neostrider | exactly |
| 15:25.20 | neostrider | mine goes as far as start flashing in the taskbar |
| 15:25.41 | rooly | flashes in the taskbar, makes a noise, and highlights the sender's name |
| 15:25.51 | rooly | and changes the tray icon |
| 15:26.44 | TsaiHarry | anyway, one day I will figure it out... |
| 15:27.09 | neostrider | gnome-xchat here |
| 15:27.25 | root_at | TsaiHarry, so, just finished. you are welcome ; ) |
| 15:27.58 | TsaiHarry | thank you!! |
| 15:29.08 | neostrider | all of you actually WORK with openmoko? |
| 15:29.22 | CVirus | I don't |
| 15:29.32 | TsaiHarry | I was.... |
| 15:30.20 | rooly | yeah, we all work |
| 15:30.38 | TsaiHarry | actually...my job title is sales VP in 3months ago...but now I am free worker... |
| 15:31.09 | neostrider | but you all earn money from it? |
| 15:31.21 | TsaiHarry | not really |
| 15:32.09 | TsaiHarry | as I have mentioned, I don't know what I busy for in past years |
| 15:32.54 | TsaiHarry | busy for OM for a dream ?, busy for family for a salary? |
| 15:33.17 | TsaiHarry | I was confuse.... |
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| 15:34.45 | neostrider | my opensource project takes almost all of my time |
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| 15:35.04 | TsaiHarry | I know company very well but I am new for community...I am here trying to understand developers..folks....and projects |
| 15:35.07 | neostrider | and Im probably one of few open source developers who care to port his games to other plataforms himself |
| 15:35.32 | TsaiHarry | any easy game for me?? |
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| 15:38.45 | TsaiHarry | play TV game is quite tough for me... |
| 15:41.39 | rooly | neostrider: not necissarily, most foss programmers use x-platform libraries so that they don't have to port |
| 15:42.41 | lindi- | rooly: but coding directly to xlib surely is not that common anymore? |
| 15:42.47 | neostrider | rooly: most stuff ports easily, but you have to build a multiplataform code |
| 15:42.54 | neostrider | and also, there's always some small inconsistencies |
| 15:43.07 | neostrider | I have comment and uncomment a lot of stuff to build for each plataform |
| 15:43.23 | lindi- | neostrider: use a proper build system that does it |
| 15:43.33 | neostrider | but what I meant was that I bother providing pre-built versions for lots of plataforms |
| 15:43.35 | rooly | aka ifdef's |
| 15:44.00 | neostrider | rooly: Im implementing those right now |
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| 15:55.33 | vanous123 | i have a custom kernel and a custom rootfs and am getting Error opening framebuffer /dev/fb0: No such file or directory while trying to run Xglamo, dos anybody have an idea what i mising? |
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| 15:56.28 | henk | vanous123: framebuffer support in the kernel? |
| 15:57.35 | vanous123 | henk: CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_FB=y, CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_SPI_FB=y, CONFIG_FB=y |
| 15:58.12 | vanous123 | henk: i have custom init as well, perhaps i missed mounting something? |
| 15:59.38 | henk | vanous123: sorry, i was just taking an educated guess, but now you supplied a bit more information, so perhaps someone else can come up with the next intelligent question, getting you to supply another bit of important information and so on and eventually there will perhaps be a solution that makes you happy. good luck. |
| 16:00.00 | vanous123 | henk: thank you |
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| 16:14.58 | vanous123 | henk: i was missing some nodes ( fb and mem) now it's running :) |
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| 16:59.33 | slaxxin | looks like its now time to cut the fat |
| 17:01.10 | slaxxin | so it seems that if there was ever a time for alot of full time work on the kernel u guys are on it |
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| 17:11.17 | mwester | often wonders at slaxxin's zero-context comments; perhaps a mis-chan? |
| 17:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | as well |
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| 17:15.06 | slaxxin | excuse me |
| 17:15.26 | slaxxin | its just bla-bla |
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| 17:16.16 | slaxxin | basicly means thanks to u guys |
| 17:19.14 | vanous123 | is there a special way to _turn_on_ the touch screen? Xglamo is running but no /dev/input and no /dev/ts ... |
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| 17:20.45 | vanous123 | i get Failed to open TSLib device, tried /dev/input/touchscreen0 /dev/ts /dev/touchscreen/0 (and i really don't have those in dev) |
| 17:21.05 | vanous123 | CONFIG_INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN=y is in... :( |
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