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| 00:04.59 | badcloud | helu all |
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| 00:12.54 | lindi- | timur: why not just modify udhcpc? |
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| 00:18.15 | rooly | wtf |
| 00:18.15 | rooly | no wifi in FSO? |
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| 00:20.17 | PaulFertser | rooly: there is |
| 00:21.34 | rooly | is it framework controlled? cause my FR isn't showing an eth0 interface |
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| 00:25.47 | PaulFertser | rooly: yes |
| 00:26.15 | PaulFertser | rooly: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1 |
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| 01:07.46 | slaxxin | will the shr release have 5.1 fso? |
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| 01:13.30 | lindi- | fredrin: depends on where you are |
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| 02:45.15 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse |
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| 02:56.59 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Dave |
| 02:57.12 | nuclear_eclipse | what's up? |
| 02:58.03 | Dave | Hallo :D |
| 02:58.08 | Dave | How are you, traitor? :) |
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| 03:57.30 | GLHMarmot | Mirko, if you are around, gotta say the progress being made on Paroli is amazing. |
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| 05:11.23 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, how is your miracle phone working? :P |
| 05:11.32 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm loving it :) |
| 05:11.43 | nuclear_eclipse | I was just raving about it in another channel :P |
| 05:15.45 | timur | lindi-, i already had the code, so figured i'd use it |
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| 05:23.44 | mwester | y'know Dave, if you were to sell all your mokos on eBay, you too might be able to buy a real phone. |
| 05:23.49 | Dave | haha |
| 05:23.55 | Dave | Mwester :( |
| 05:24.18 | mwester | It's nearly the end of February. Are we any closer to a stable kernel? |
| 05:24.26 | Dave | I'd rather go mokojihadist and wire myself up with a mokobelt. |
| 05:24.36 | Dave | Haha, true... :\ |
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| 05:24.53 | mwester | I'd prefer to stone Steve to death with mokos myself. |
| 05:26.32 | Dave | Huzzah! :D |
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| 05:41.34 | timur | so, uh, anyone know if wireless got any more stable? |
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| 05:46.14 | fredrin | timur: don't look like it, i just tried Mofi on SHR unstable and the gui fails/hangs |
| 05:46.29 | timur | hehe grreat :) |
| 05:46.54 | fredrin | trying now to install wicd, but not sure if it works on SHR... |
| 05:46.59 | timur | yea, i was messing with FR a bit today and realized that i have to wait for a bit for association and then it will drop randomly |
| 05:47.15 | fredrin | timur: what kernel do you have? |
| 05:47.22 | timur | one sec |
| 05:47.45 | timur | om-gta02 2.6.24 |
| 05:47.50 | timur | what are you running? |
| 05:48.29 | fredrin | 28-rc4 |
| 05:49.27 | timur | do you know what changed between the versions or if it's more stable? |
| 05:49.30 | fredrin | I was hoping wifi would have gotten better with that version, but Mofi fails. I've made wifi work on 24, but from the terminal and that's so userfriendly |
| 05:49.38 | timur | :) |
| 05:49.57 | timur | yea, i only have wifi in the terminal, and even that is a bit flaky |
| 05:50.35 | fredrin | timur: not quite sure what have changed, but something must/should have been done :) hopefully for the better |
| 05:51.06 | timur | haha yea, true |
| 05:51.17 | timur | i'll upgrade tomorrow to see if it makes any difference |
| 05:51.35 | timur | for now i need to figure out the weird network error i've been getting :( |
| 05:52.59 | fredrin | :) |
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| 06:06.24 | timur | heh you know what? i decided i blame both the AP and the FR... i hate networking... |
| 06:09.58 | fredrin | timur: what's the error? |
| 06:10.15 | fredrin | is testing Qwo input, strange.... |
| 06:11.30 | timur | i get "no buffer space" error |
| 06:11.43 | timur | although, i think i just found myself doing something very dumb |
| 06:11.53 | timur | that is not closing a socket i opened |
| 06:11.57 | timur | which is an issue |
| 06:13.14 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4937 10/developers/werner/gta03/ (GETTING_STARTED cam/BRINGUP): |
| 06:13.14 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - GETTING_STARTED: specify destination of config file |
| 06:13.14 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - cam/BRINGUP: Allen found that we have to set CAM_PWDN to 1 not 0 |
| 06:13.52 | timur | on that note i think i'm gonna head to bed actually. before i do more stupid things :) |
| 06:13.55 | timur | night fredrin |
| 06:14.12 | fredrin | good night |
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| 06:23.49 | fredrin | Qwo is funny |
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| 06:57.24 | laen | :P |
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| 10:49.58 | projektdotnet | Other than the community list where else would you post up a freerunner for sale? |
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| 11:25.14 | methril|work | morning |
| 11:25.43 | SpeedEvil | looks outside, sees the beams of sun, and explodes into a small pile of grey ash in a cartoon fashion. |
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| 11:35.43 | bembel | roh: vielleicht hast du unseren aufruf im freeyourphone-forum gelesen. wir haben 2 freerunner mit herausgerissenen usb-ports. jetzt suchen wir jemanden de runs die usb-buchsen weider anlöten kann und du wurdest uns empfohlen. gibts da ne möglicheit? |
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| 12:00.07 | badcloud | hey ppl |
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| 12:01.36 | badcloud | my FR keeps waking up for some reason |
| 12:01.42 | badcloud | any way to find out why? |
| 12:02.06 | PaulFertser | badcloud: gsm? |
| 12:02.10 | Fougner | :O |
| 12:02.34 | badcloud | could be, but were do I look? |
| 12:02.43 | PaulFertser | badcloud: is it powered at all? |
| 12:02.59 | badcloud | battery |
| 12:03.04 | badcloud | right now it's on |
| 12:03.35 | badcloud | I checked dmesg. something about glamo-mci error 0X8120 and 0X120 |
| 12:03.38 | karigotu | anyone knows how to get binutils on shr? |
| 12:03.40 | PaulFertser | badcloud: there's a sysfs node to see the wakeup reason |
| 12:03.55 | badcloud | how do I read that node? |
| 12:04.04 | PaulFertser | badcloud: by catting obivously |
| 12:04.10 | badcloud | where is it located |
| 12:04.17 | badcloud | is what I meant |
| 12:05.16 | badcloud | ? |
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| 12:06.13 | badcloud | you still there, PaulFertser? |
| 12:08.43 | badcloud | "#¤¤&%¤ |
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| 12:13.09 | karigotu | badcloud, iirc there should be some boot_reason= or the like in the kernel parameters (but i'm not sure how to read them right now but maybe you know ;) |
| 12:15.44 | karigotu | badcloud, ah, and there is /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason |
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| 12:18.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | badcloud: ç¾å
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| 12:18.27 | karigotu | does anybody know how to get binutils (for instance 'as' and 'ld') on SHR? is there a package somewhere? |
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| 12:20.54 | badcloud | found it myself: http://mibbit.com/pb/gzPsT0 |
| 12:21.12 | badcloud | thanks, karigotu |
| 12:21.24 | badcloud | found it probably the same time you sent yours |
| 12:21.36 | karigotu | ah ok :) |
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| 12:28.47 | badcloud | if anyone can help, please email me at badcloud56@yahoo.com |
| 12:28.49 | badcloud | later |
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| 12:39.22 | KazaLite | what is user plane is gsm? |
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| 13:04.54 | lindi- | KazaLite: ? |
| 13:11.18 | Fougner | Dave !!!!!!!!! |
| 13:11.21 | Fougner | :D |
| 13:12.06 | KazaLite | yes |
| 13:12.40 | KazaLite | i found there is something signaling plane, data plane, user plane etc in GSM....... |
| 13:12.51 | KazaLite | so whats user plane? |
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| 13:13.14 | KazaLite | is noob |
| 13:13.24 | lindi- | KazaLite: where did you read that? |
| 13:16.05 | toggles_w | pokes DAVE |
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| 13:21.52 | KazaLite | http://www.poweredbydanger.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47718 |
| 13:22.00 | KazaLite | signaling plane.....traffic plane |
| 13:22.10 | KazaLite | what are these planes? |
| 13:22.22 | Fougner | pokes toggles_w |
| 13:22.44 | Fougner | they are EVIL PLANES!!! ~_~ |
| 13:23.15 | KazaLite | pokes planes |
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| 13:27.59 | Fougner | pokes planes too |
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| 13:40.10 | sylar91 | hi |
| 13:40.21 | sylar91 | is anyone who is working on gentoo on fr? |
| 13:41.50 | Fougner | yeah, I am |
| 13:42.54 | Fougner | just kidding |
| 13:43.22 | Dave | Fougner! |
| 13:43.29 | toggles_w | pokes DAVE |
| 13:43.32 | Fougner | Dave! :D |
| 13:43.35 | Dave | toggles Fougner |
| 13:43.40 | toggles_w | whoa.. kinky |
| 13:43.43 | Dave | ;p |
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| 13:44.26 | white_gecko | hello |
| 13:44.45 | toggles_w | whazzabi? |
| 13:45.01 | white_gecko | does anybody know, why mofi puts the usb0 interface down, when connecting to a wifi network: https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/connect.sh?rev=6&root=mofi&view=auto |
| 13:46.36 | Fougner | Dave knows! |
| 13:46.44 | Fougner | stares at Dave |
| 13:47.17 | Fougner | now I have to leave, by folks! |
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| 13:55.48 | Dave | :o |
| 13:55.51 | Dave | later, fougner |
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| 14:08.15 | Defiant-_ | hehe nice stylus Thread |
| 14:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | (resume reason) duh, /etc ?!? more like /sys. And IIRC you need updated uBoot to pass resume reason to kernel |
| 14:11.51 | mwester | Yes, updated uboot is required. |
| 14:12.10 | mwester | But I don't think any user distros use the resume reason (yet). |
| 14:12.48 | PaulFertser | mwester: FSO uses it afaik |
| 14:13.13 | mwester | Which is rather a shame, as it seems a powerful feature -- for example, if the wake reason is a low-battery event, then perhaps user-space should avoid turning the backlight on resume... |
| 14:13.42 | PaulFertser | ousaged INFO kernel has resumed - reason = PowerKey |
| 14:13.45 | mwester | PaulFertser: cool, I didn't know that. Would that be exposed to the rules.yaml parsing thing? |
| 14:14.30 | PaulFertser | mwester: i think if it's not already, it can be easily done, just ask mickey :) |
| 14:15.12 | mwester | Cool. We need that for the gta01 because it doesn't have a low-battery (so we must wake every 15 - 30 minutes to check, but we don't want to wake the display or GSM if we only are waking to check the battery...) |
| 14:16.03 | SpeedEvil | hyper-low battery, suspend to disk, and sleep. |
| 14:16.08 | SpeedEvil | turn off rather |
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| 14:22.24 | sylar91 | hi, there is a problem with the SDL port to fr... there is a bug... |
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| 15:14.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6c510b74ae90 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/resources.py: ousaged: bring back ResourceInUse exception |
| 15:14.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3def753e3a8f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:14.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: introduce new way for a subsystem to scan for plugins |
| 15:14.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: the default is to scan the filesystem, looking at each |
| 15:14.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: and every file. we now provide a way to use the configuration |
| 15:14.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: file, so every plugin needs to be mentioned as a |
| 15:14.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: (if necessary, empty) section. the example configuration has |
| 15:15.00 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: been adjusted. |
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| 15:21.37 | mokel | anybody knows how much arfcn's a mobile phone cell can have? |
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| 15:51.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4938 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (8 files): |
| 15:51.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Port of the Samsung S3C camera interface driver and the S5K4 camera driver. |
| 15:51.07 | CIA-49 | openmoko: (In progress.) |
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| 15:59.13 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4939 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/CONN: We don't really know what PWDN does, only that it must be "1". |
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| 17:19.02 | cmdr_awesome | hi, is there a room for questions about sms and MMS |
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| 17:20.17 | cmdr_awesome | I am looking for a simple mms webservice, and I am not finding anything on google. |
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| 19:00.01 | mmp_ | hello, anyone using SHR and having empty output from cat /dev/ttySA1 ? |
| 19:00.07 | mmp_ | (gpsd not running) |
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| 19:01.53 | SpeedEvil | yoou need to turn the GPS on |
| 19:01.55 | SpeedEvil | it may not be |
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| 19:04.47 | mmp_ | SpeedEvil: I believe it's powered on |
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| 19:56.46 | Serdar | hi |
| 19:57.23 | Serdar | I get since yesterday everytime this message if I try to download the kernel |
| 19:57.36 | Serdar | Starting download: [#######dfu_download error -110 |
| 19:57.36 | Serdar | Error during download |
| 19:57.45 | Serdar | did I do something wrong? |
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| 20:03.22 | Serdar | there is also a message on my moko |
| 20:03.34 | Serdar | End of write exeeds partition end. |
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| 20:04.10 | Serdar | but that could'nt be possible, 'cause I formatted the card few minutes ago |
| 20:04.24 | lindi- | Serdar: formatted the card? |
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| 20:05.31 | Serdar | yes, like that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Format_the_microSD_card |
| 20:07.20 | Serdar | 8M vfat and remaining space ext3 |
| 20:07.41 | PaulFertser_ | :( what does it have to do with dfu-util& |
| 20:08.12 | lindi- | indeed |
| 20:09.15 | Serdar | the partitions are empty dfu shouldn't write over the partition end. |
| 20:09.15 | PaulFertser_ | That's qtopia users for you... |
| 20:09.34 | lindi- | Serdar: u-boot writes to NAND flash, not SD card |
| 20:10.12 | Serdar | I have this problem with every kernels, it's not releated to the qtextended kernel |
| 20:10.47 | Serdar | so my nand flash is broken or what? |
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| 20:16.32 | Serdar | so nobody can't help? |
| 20:16.53 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: rtfm is something that only you can do for yourself... |
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| 20:21.28 | Serdar | PaulFertser_, there was no manual for dfu-util only a wiki but it does not explain the error number |
| 20:22.05 | lindi- | Serdar: hmm? 'man dfu-util' works here |
| 20:22.10 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: it doesn't explain why you're talking about partitioning uSD too. |
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| 20:26.16 | mwester | no man page for dfu-util on any of my systems. |
| 20:26.36 | mwester | and the wiki, as is often the case, is rather thing on those sorts of issues. |
| 20:26.44 | mwester | s/thing/thin/ |
| 20:26.45 | lindi- | mwester: debian has |
| 20:26.48 | Serdar | PaulFertser_, that's true, but if it's nothing to do with my card and there is also no explenation about this number plus no manpage, there is no way but ask |
| 20:26.54 | mwester | Guess what, lindi- ? |
| 20:27.13 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: you have an explanation on your FR screen, isn't it enough? |
| 20:27.17 | lindi- | mwester: what? ;) |
| 20:27.29 | mwester | not everybody runs debian, lindi- . |
| 20:27.34 | lindi- | mwester: which distro do you run? |
| 20:27.48 | mwester | SlugOS, Unslung, Fedora, CentOS |
| 20:27.58 | mwester | And the OpenMoko stuff, of course. |
| 20:28.04 | lindi- | mwester: maybe they have just older version of dfu-util that does not come with man page? |
| 20:28.14 | mwester | Oh yeah, theres a Mythbuntu system in the mix as well. |
| 20:28.44 | lindi- | mwester: the date of the manual page is indeed from Mar 4 2008 |
| 20:29.17 | Serdar | PaulFertser_, exeeds partition end? no! this does not help me. |
| 20:29.45 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: means you're trying to write some image to a NAND partition that has less space than the size of the image. |
| 20:29.53 | Serdar | or there is a troubleshooting about the bnand flash somethere |
| 20:29.56 | mwester | Serdar: what everyone seems to be intent on NOT helping you with is that what you are flashing is bigger than the partition size. |
| 20:30.24 | mwester | So check that you are indeed flashing a kernel to the kernel partition. |
| 20:30.39 | mwester | And check that the size of the kernel is small enough to fit the partition in question. |
| 20:30.54 | PaulFertser_ | mwester: i said it first ;) |
| 20:30.58 | mwester | <4MB for GTA02, and <2MB for GTA01 |
| 20:31.16 | Serdar | it's only 1.7M |
| 20:31.25 | Serdar | the other kernel I tried was 1.9M from shr |
| 20:31.49 | Serdar | both don't work |
| 20:32.07 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: are you sure you're writing to the kernel NAND partition? |
| 20:32.18 | mwester | Then you should examine your command line carefully to see if it might be trying to flash to the wrong partition in NAND |
| 20:32.21 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: are you sure you didn't mess with nandwrite before? |
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| 20:32.47 | soul9 | ⺠PaulFertser_ that brings back memories |
| 20:33.05 | Serdar | I am starting nor flash like I did the first time and tried to install the kernel like the first time with dfu |
| 20:33.14 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: you might be also interested in a lengthy thread on kernel ml wrt nand bad blocks stuff. |
| 20:33.26 | soul9 | what cmdline you using? Serdar |
| 20:33.32 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: yeah, that's messed up! |
| 20:34.49 | mwester | Serdar: also try NAND u-boot. You should NEVER use NOR uboot, except if you have trashed your NAND u-boot in some way -- in all other cases, you should use NAND uboot. |
| 20:35.03 | soul9 | mwester: really? |
| 20:35.04 | soul9 | :-( |
| 20:35.10 | mwester | Yep. |
| 20:35.20 | soul9 | NOR dfu works 100% here :-/ |
| 20:35.37 | soul9 | i use qi, so i use NOR always |
| 20:35.37 | PaulFertser_ | mwester: why don't you like using NOR u-boot for flashing? |
| 20:35.39 | mwester | The ONLY reason for NOR uboot to exist is to rescue NAND uboot. NOR uboot is a very OLD uboot, burned in the factory and is non-updatable. |
| 20:35.47 | soul9 | yes |
| 20:35.53 | soul9 | but dfu works fine.. |
| 20:35.58 | mwester | for now. |
| 20:36.05 | soul9 | it boots kernels very well too |
| 20:36.16 | Serdar | hmm I was never be able to start nand flash everytime I tried to I got to the os |
| 20:36.17 | soul9 | yeah, i'll be weary when i update dfu.. |
| 20:36.27 | mwester | But for example, we are unable to use HW ECC on NAND flash partitions because, in part, of the NAND/NOR uboot problem. |
| 20:36.47 | soul9 | hmm |
| 20:36.59 | soul9 | uboot no like ecc? |
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| 20:37.29 | mwester | different ecc algorithms, and the NOR uboot cannot be upgraded, therefore the algorthms cannot be unified. |
| 20:37.39 | soul9 | aaah |
| 20:37.45 | mwester | But if you NEVER used NOR uboot, then you could use HW ecc |
| 20:37.47 | soul9 | damn |
| 20:38.16 | soul9 | is the nor in a separate chip? |
| 20:38.21 | mwester | Minor point though -- I think we all need to go to the SD card route |
| 20:38.23 | soul9 | can it be changed or somethign? |
| 20:38.32 | soul9 | what are you doing in the gta03 for this? |
| 20:38.35 | mwester | and avoid the whole nand/nor/dfu-util thing entirely |
| 20:38.37 | soul9 | yea |
| 20:38.42 | soul9 | seems sd is faster too |
| 20:39.00 | Serdar | soul9, and before I forget it ../dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin |
| 20:39.02 | mwester | gta03 only supports uSD, if I read the mailing list correctly |
| 20:39.04 | Serdar | this is the line |
| 20:39.17 | PaulFertser_ | mwester: looks like NOR u-boot can be easily upgraded even without dboard, the TP is easily accessible. And if one doesn't overwrite both NOR and NAND u-boot at the same time, it should be safe. |
| 20:39.42 | soul9 | Serdar: dfu-util -a $1 -R -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D $2 |
| 20:39.43 | mwester | PaulFertser_: for you, that would be the case. Not so for the average GTA02 user. |
| 20:39.53 | PaulFertser_ | Ok |
| 20:39.58 | soul9 | wher 1=kernel or rootfs or u-boot |
| 20:40.08 | mwester | Serdar: "-a u-boot" tells it to flash the kernel over your uboot! |
| 20:40.17 | soul9 | hahaha |
| 20:40.19 | PaulFertser_ | Serdar: so that's obviously you not doing RTFM |
| 20:40.20 | mwester | Serdar: You just trashed your u-boot. |
| 20:40.41 | soul9 | how did you boot before?! |
| 20:40.45 | soul9 | NOR? :-D |
| 20:40.49 | Serdar | args, yes that |
| 20:41.00 | Serdar | 's it |
| 20:41.03 | mwester | Serdar: So now you owe the Openmoko designers a thank-you email for implementing the NOR flash -- if you were using a GTA01 right now you would be looking for someone with a debug board to de-brick your phone! |
| 20:41.09 | soul9 | and 2= foo.jffs2 or foo.bin |
| 20:41.17 | soul9 | hahahaha |
| 20:41.28 | soul9 | i made a script |
| 20:41.41 | soul9 | flashmoko kernel foo.bin |
| 20:41.45 | mwester | uses scripts as well |
| 20:42.57 | Serdar | I did'nt recognise that I tried to use u-boot instead of kernel |
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| 20:43.36 | mwester | Well, you might as well find the most recent u-boot for the gta02, and flash that in place too. :) |
| 20:43.56 | mwester | You'll get a u-boot upgrade, although un-planned. |
| 20:44.03 | Serdar | I flashed qi before so I guess it's because of that |
| 20:44.13 | PaulFertser_ | oh man :( |
| 20:44.24 | soul9 | mwester: where do you get ur uboot from? |
| 20:44.40 | soul9 | it seems kind of borken on andy's page.. |
| 20:44.46 | soul9 | as is qi right now |
| 20:44.59 | soul9 | at least |
| 20:44.59 | Serdar | qi is broken? |
| 20:45.03 | soul9 | i tried monday's |
| 20:45.09 | soul9 | and tuesday's |
| 20:45.22 | soul9 | well, works borkishly |
| 20:45.48 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: how exactly? |
| 20:45.51 | soul9 | well |
| 20:46.02 | mwester | is "borkishly" a word? ;-) |
| 20:46.03 | soul9 | u-boot would usually bring me a borken screen |
| 20:46.15 | soul9 | and in the end it would sit there for a while and die |
| 20:46.37 | soul9 | qi's a bit better |
| 20:46.48 | soul9 | but thankfully i found an older qi that works pretty well |
| 20:46.48 | PaulFertser_ | As it can't show broken screen :) |
| 20:46.58 | soul9 | hahah |
| 20:47.13 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: no, really, regressions are supposed to be reported, you know ;) |
| 20:47.15 | soul9 | well, this black screen, sometimes with just colorpixels allover |
| 20:47.18 | soul9 | broken |
| 20:47.44 | soul9 | then sometimes, after i used NOR boot, it would show the NOR's screen |
| 20:48.09 | soul9 | and sometimes for some reason i couldn't really make up it wouldn't boot at all |
| 20:48.22 | soul9 | well |
| 20:48.30 | Serdar | soul9, can I see you script |
| 20:48.36 | soul9 | i'd have thought this kind of problems are obvious... |
| 20:48.45 | soul9 | Serdar: hahahaa, it's there |
| 20:48.51 | soul9 | #!/bin/bash |
| 20:48.52 | soul9 | dfu-util -a $1 -R -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D $2 |
| 20:48.56 | Serdar | ah, k |
| 20:49.25 | soul9 | backupmoko is a different command ;-) |
| 20:49.53 | soul9 | it'll cost 5⬠thank you ;-D |
| 20:50.45 | Serdar | If I see you guys, you will all get a nice "Düsseldorfer" beer :) |
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| 20:52.00 | PaulFertser_ | If i knew that before i'd be nicer, for sure |
| 20:52.20 | soul9 | :-D |
| 20:52.39 | soul9 | Serdar: you can check error codes in the source.. ,-) |
| 20:53.04 | Serdar | I guess we have the only 1l beer bottles in whole germany :) |
| 20:53.07 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: now you're loosing your opportunity for beer too for not user-friently advice |
| 20:53.27 | soul9 | nah, we have our little deal goin' on with Serdar |
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| 20:54.00 | soul9 | râºâºt |
| 20:54.28 | CVirus | shiz |
| 20:54.30 | CVirus | my eyeees |
| 20:55.08 | Serdar | I buy a six-pack, you can have one too, but these are very heavy |
| 20:55.29 | Serdar | PaulFertser_, I buy a six-pack, you can have one too, but these are very heavy |
| 20:57.15 | soul9 | one? |
| 20:57.17 | soul9 | damn |
| 20:57.23 | Serdar | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Schumacher_Alt-Flasche.jpg/156px-Schumacher_Alt-Flasche.jpg the problem with this thing is to drink it without glas |
| 20:57.43 | soul9 | oooooh |
| 20:57.48 | soul9 | that looks sweeet |
| 20:58.05 | soul9 | CVirus: âºâºâºâºâºâº |
| 20:58.15 | PaulFertser_ | ~beer Serdar |
| 20:58.16 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Piraat for Serdar |
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| 20:59.56 | husku | mmp_: my tangogps also reports "missing gps" and it definately is running, and the port is up |
| 21:00.17 | lindi- | husku: strace? |
| 21:00.36 | PaulFertser_ | What a cool bot of you, mwester, really improves #openmoko* experience :) |
| 21:01.01 | husku | lindi-: maybe... im currently abroad and, well, on vacation :) |
| 21:01.05 | mwester | different bot on this channel |
| 21:01.43 | PaulFertser_ | Ah, it's Riker's. |
| 21:01.44 | mwester | maybe somebody can figure out how to invite apt to #openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:05.32 | husku | lindi-: stracing tango shows it running gettimeofday() multiple times in a minute. nothing else. |
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| 21:06.55 | Defiant-_ | thats a sleep |
| 21:07.10 | Serdar | args, I spend a lot of time of an obvios problem isntead of learning for cryptology... |
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| 21:10.49 | husku | lindi-: starting tangogps from cli shows: connection to gpsd SUCCEEDED |
| 21:10.50 | husku | Rcvd: GPSD,R=1 |
| 21:10.51 | husku | ** cb_gps_timer() |
| 21:11.03 | husku | Yet, status bar says "no gps found" |
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| 21:17.26 | mmp_ | husku: are you using the lastest shr? |
| 21:17.37 | mmp_ | (and kernel from 8th feb?) |
| 21:17.51 | husku | mmp_: shr unstable, updates runned today |
| 21:18.21 | mmp_ | okay... I'll try to do something similar... |
| 21:18.34 | husku | mmp_: Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 21:18.53 | mmp_ | tangogps was just fixed at date 1999-11-30 here, but not saying that GPS is missin |
| 21:18.54 | mmp_ | g |
| 21:19.10 | mmp_ | on the other hand, gpsd was spitting some sensible data, just the gps receiver was silent |
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| 21:27.15 | husku | btw, does someone know where tangogps stores its repository info, id liketo backup my settings so i would not need to re enter the long urls of googlemaps |
| 21:28.04 | Gnutoo | hello, how do I install(or what should I bitbake) to get bigger fonts? |
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| 21:29.06 | Gnutoo | (emacs is too buffer's font are too small in SHR) |
| 21:29.26 | Gnutoo | s/is too// |
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| 22:44.17 | mmp_ | hello; just for record -- I did some more test (host recent shr) and the gps receiver doesn't seem to work |
| 22:44.47 | mmp_ | power regulator says that device is powered on... |
| 22:45.13 | mmp_ | but there are no data coming from serial console, nor reasonable data returned from fso-gpsd |
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| 22:48.21 | SpeedEvil | mmp_: ever worked? |
| 22:49.03 | mmp_ | SpeedEvil: yes, it did |
| 22:49.36 | mmp_ | I have also similar report from one other FR owner |
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| 22:50.40 | mmp_ | SpeedEvil: it might be the kernel which is currently used by SHR, one my friend is running self-compiled kernel (don't remember branch) and he says it works |
| 22:50.59 | SpeedEvil | GSM works? |
| 22:51.08 | mmp_ | yes, without apparent problems |
| 22:51.23 | mmp_ | at least I'm correctly registered to GSM network |
| 22:52.18 | SpeedEvil | k - juyst wondering if it was a serial issue |
| 22:52.37 | mmp_ | SpeedEvil: should the GPS receiver output some data when doing cat /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 22:52.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:52.52 | SpeedEvil | if iyt's on |
| 22:52.59 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 I assume? |
| 22:53.04 | mmp_ | ok, it definitely doesn't -- the line is closed immediately |
| 22:53.04 | mmp_ | yes |
| 22:53.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't think flow control lines are implemented |
| 22:53.51 | mmp_ | that's weird then |
| 22:54.05 | SpeedEvil | what with? |
| 22:54.08 | SpeedEvil | opening |
| 22:54.34 | mmp_ | well.. cat /dev/ttySAC1 doesn't even wait for data, it immediately exists |
| 22:54.37 | mmp_ | *exits |
| 22:56.42 | mmp_ | SpeedEvil: I just stopped fso-gpsd, did echo "1" >pwron (in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0), and cat /dev/ttySAC1 still behaves the same way |
| 22:57.07 | mmp_ | and, for record: |
| 22:57.10 | mmp_ | $ uname -a |
| 22:57.11 | mmp_ | Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown |
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| 23:04.10 | badcloud | hey people |
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| 23:09.23 | badcloud | can anyone point me to a kernel that provides both sound and gsm for the latest shr? |
| 23:11.50 | badcloud | the Feb8 uImage gives gsm with u-boot with no sound, and the opposite with qi |
| 23:12.17 | Dave | hah |
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| 23:14.16 | badcloud | hey there Dave |
| 23:14.25 | badcloud | what do you use on yours anydangway? |
| 23:15.46 | Fougner | :O |
| 23:15.49 | Fougner | good evening :D |
| 23:16.06 | badcloud | for me just evening |
| 23:16.17 | badcloud | how's it hanging, Fougner? |
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| 23:16.35 | Fougner | a little to the left |
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| 23:16.45 | badcloud | whoops |
| 23:16.52 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:18.09 | badcloud | what's the preferred u-boot for shr anyway??? |
| 23:18.25 | Fougner | uboot :P |
| 23:18.51 | Fougner | badcloud, you use shr? |
| 23:20.29 | badcloud | yeah |
| 23:20.49 | badcloud | om 2008.12 has been bugging one me |
| 23:20.50 | badcloud | *on |
| 23:21.03 | badcloud | waking for no reason |
| 23:21.24 | Fougner | hum |
| 23:21.26 | Fougner | weird |
| 23:21.35 | badcloud | it claims that it had to do with the JACK (which I can assume they mean the stereo/mic jack, which I've never used) |
| 23:22.07 | badcloud | so far all my experiences with this phone have been frustrating |
| 23:22.33 | badcloud | is it too much to as for a distro to provide a working phone? |
| 23:22.39 | badcloud | *ask |
| 23:24.00 | Fougner | I don't know, but at least they warn you before the buy "this phone is under development" =) |
| 23:24.02 | mwester | depends on who you ask, I guess. The answer from a lot of people is "Yes, that's too much to ask -- you should be deliriously happy that you have an open device that runs Linux, sort of." |
| 23:24.25 | badcloud | from what I remember, it was advertised as a phone for both devs and users |
| 23:24.40 | badcloud | users is so waaaaaay far off it's not funny any more |
| 23:24.43 | mwester | If you ask Sean (of Openmoko) he won't answer -- he'll give you a sales pitch and sell you on the fabulous "vision" you hold in your hand. |
| 23:25.02 | Fougner | open source projects take some time to start up |
| 23:25.09 | mwester | If you ask Andy (of Openmoko) he'll tell you that the kernel works wonderfully, and you shoudln't judge it on the crappy userspace stuff. |
| 23:25.33 | Fougner | but once they're up n running, they go on and on :P |
| 23:25.54 | badcloud | everybody's got an agenda... |
| 23:25.59 | mwester | If you ask the distros, they'll tell you they have no idea when the kernel and hardware will work correctly, or even what correctly means, and that they all wish someone would jsut define how it's supposed to work and stop changin the OS underneath them. |
| 23:26.12 | mwester | And if you ask users like me -- I'll say that I agree with you. |
| 23:26.20 | Fougner | hehe |
| 23:26.55 | Fougner | why did you buy a phone for 400 when it's big and clumsy, and some quick research says that the stuff is under development? |
| 23:26.57 | badcloud | well, at least the latest shr gets sound from Feb8 kernel and u-boot |
| 23:27.09 | badcloud | (got the latest u-boot) |
| 23:27.12 | mwester | So, after two years of screwing around mostly, Openmoko STILL doesn't have hardware that really works -- and the iphone rules the market, witht he only viable competitor being Android. |
| 23:27.15 | mwester | Game over. |
| 23:27.17 | badcloud | I actually got it for 300 |
| 23:27.27 | Fougner | oh |
| 23:27.32 | badcloud | fuck, and now it just blacked out for no reason |
| 23:27.51 | badcloud | ha, that's how tired I am... it went into suspend |
| 23:27.57 | badcloud | :p |
| 23:28.07 | badcloud | embarrassing |
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| 23:28.43 | badcloud | I can't tell you how much this phone has made me envious of iPhone users |
| 23:28.48 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:29.01 | Fougner | at least you can run a webserver on your phone ;D |
| 23:29.04 | badcloud | it's shameful |
| 23:29.07 | badcloud | true |
| 23:29.19 | eolson | badcloud, maybe you haven't used an iphone enough -- you can't run multiple programs at once |
| 23:29.23 | Fougner | as soon as the FSO is about finished, and some people start working on a simple and quick distro, I think the FR can be quite useful |
| 23:29.26 | badcloud | maybe |
| 23:29.28 | eolson | they can't share data |
| 23:29.32 | Dave | Fougner :o |
| 23:29.36 | Fougner | Dave! :D |
| 23:29.40 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 23:29.41 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 23:29.43 | badcloud | as much as I hate Apple and Microsoft |
| 23:29.44 | Dave | :p |
| 23:29.46 | Fougner | hey apt is awake too |
| 23:30.04 | badcloud | the end product's stability speaks volumes |
| 23:30.29 | badcloud | whereas I'm wasting every other week flashing and reconfiguring my phone (if you can really call it that) |
| 23:30.31 | eolson | badcloud, my neo is stable if I don't upgrade the software all the time :) |
| 23:30.53 | badcloud | under which distro? |
| 23:30.56 | Dave | heh |
| 23:30.57 | SpeedEvil | throw a million hours of dev-time at openmoko, and something would emerge. |
| 23:30.58 | eolson | badcloud fso4 |
| 23:31.11 | Dave | sure, you can have stability... you just get no features with it :P |
| 23:31.21 | SpeedEvil | s/emerge/emerge screaming, clawing, as a nightmare image come to take over the world./ |
| 23:31.22 | badcloud | sometimes that's enough |
| 23:31.23 | mwester | imagines what would emerge from openmoko, and fetches a big stick. |
| 23:31.25 | Fougner | also, if openmoko had a budget just a tenth as good as Apple or M$, you probably would see a phone as good as iPhone |
| 23:31.51 | Dave | also less [shitty] devs :D |
| 23:32.07 | eolson | likes the vi feature |
| 23:32.15 | badcloud | eolson, so you just don't run opkg upgrade and things have been smooth all along? |
| 23:32.18 | mwester | lotsa excuses... but none of it changes the fact that if Openmoko hadn't been so mismanaged, we would be closer today even with millions of dollars. |
| 23:32.31 | Dave | true :P |
| 23:32.34 | Dave | MISMANAGEMENT |
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| 23:32.44 | mwester | Sean == mismanagement |
| 23:32.53 | mwester | Good sales guy, though. |
| 23:33.01 | eolson | badcloud, well i ran it a long time ago, tried shr, back to fso4 and haven't updated since. Your usage might be different -- I don't send SMS much, but I have |
| 23:33.14 | Dave | huhu |
| 23:33.22 | badcloud | what went wrong for you in shr? |
| 23:33.23 | Fougner | so, how many people are employed at OM? |
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| 23:33.27 | Dave | eolson: 2007.2! |
| 23:33.35 | Dave | Fougner, how many left, you mean :P |
| 23:33.48 | eolson | badcloud, don't remember, dialer crashed i think |
| 23:34.09 | eolson | Dave, 2007.2 was great last Xmas, but it sure was hard to dial :) |
| 23:34.10 | Fougner | oh, left? |
| 23:34.22 | Dave | it was? |
| 23:34.40 | Dave | I thought the interfaces worked fine (even if sub-par), the catch was their functionality only worked half the time (or less) :D |
| 23:34.42 | eolson | Dave, i mean hard to make a phone call -- I think I had an earlier version, i was alywasy rebooting |
| 23:34.51 | eolson | Dave, yeah, interface was fine |
| 23:34.54 | Dave | oh, sound-wise |
| 23:35.05 | Dave | actually I saw an iphone recently... |
| 23:35.10 | Dave | the keyboard is just as terrible |
| 23:35.32 | eolson | oh yeah, i had echo, but also the dialer would give errors -- I guess I meant 2 xmases ago |
| 23:35.35 | Dave | if the iphone was several inches larger it might be useful |
| 23:35.36 | Fougner | yeah, I hate on-screen kbds |
| 23:35.40 | Dave | also browsing blows |
| 23:35.44 | Dave | you need at least six inches... |
| 23:35.52 | Dave | thinks there should be a law somewhere... |
| 23:35.58 | Fougner | hehe |
| 23:36.12 | Fougner | I hope the next FR has a real 0-9 keyboard |
| 23:36.19 | Fougner | with a "d-pad" |
| 23:36.31 | Fougner | that would probably help a lot |
| 23:36.59 | eolson | maybe if I wear a nintendo power glove, typing will be easier |
| 23:37.10 | badcloud | ha |
| 23:37.18 | Fougner | rTorrent :D |
| 23:37.20 | slaxxin | monitor goggles |
| 23:37.38 | mwester | Plug a keyboard into the USB port. |
| 23:37.49 | SpeedEvil | Or BT |
| 23:38.11 | Fougner | mwester, that's quite annoying when you have to bring a keyboard everywhere |
| 23:38.22 | eolson | yeah, still waiting for the slide out keyboard moko case mod |
| 23:38.54 | Fougner | let's just make a copy of the iPhone, with open components |
| 23:38.55 | Fougner | :D |
| 23:39.17 | Fougner | then break into Apple's labs and steal the software and release it open source :D |
| 23:39.24 | mjr | yeah, "just"! |
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| 23:39.59 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:40.08 | eolson | badcloud, by the way, I would be using fso5, just haven't had the time to upgrade recently. |
| 23:41.09 | badcloud | I think I tried that once but got a console login prompt |
| 23:41.38 | badcloud | what's the main differences between fso and shr in the userfeel? |
| 23:42.34 | badcloud | and/or stability |
| 23:42.45 | eolson | badcloud, i suppose that's the difference, also shr hasn't had a real release -- waiting for one of those (yeah stability) |
| 23:43.42 | badcloud | but does all the hardware function under fso? |
| 23:44.46 | eolson | badcloud, good question, i have a gta01, so fso (gsm, gps) works fine, don't know about accelerometers, wifi, bluetooth |
| 23:45.07 | badcloud | I see |
| 23:45.38 | badcloud | maybe I'll just stick with shr until my hair falls out from stress or until they make a release |
| 23:45.54 | badcloud | I'm guessing the hair will give first |
| 23:45.58 | Fougner | shr is built upon fso, no? |
| 23:46.11 | badcloud | yeah |
| 23:46.46 | Fougner | as soon as Android is good enough for FR, I think that will be my distro of choice |
| 23:46.50 | eolson | badcloud, i think shr will get/is getting stable |
| 23:47.27 | badcloud | I'll test the latest for a bit |
| 23:47.38 | badcloud | but yeah, that's my general feeling as well |
| 23:48.21 | badcloud | but all it takes is something so minute, like the gsm failing to load |
| 23:48.39 | badcloud | or the device caught in some resume-hiccup |
| 23:49.00 | badcloud | and the prospect of using the gta01/02 as a primary phone is in the crapper |
| 23:49.07 | eolson | Fougner, i think Android will be slower -- not a big fan really -- it doesn't seem as open source motivated |
| 23:50.19 | eolson | badcloud, if that happens, you could ask if someone who's using it as a daily phone has a recommendation for a good shr image to use. |
| 23:50.34 | badcloud | I'm using it as a daily |
| 23:50.34 | Fougner | ;P |
| 23:50.39 | eolson | ah :) |
| 23:50.44 | badcloud | and I'm losing my mind |
| 23:51.04 | eolson | badcloud, does at least the phone part work well? |
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| 23:51.20 | Fougner | eolson, slower in what way? |
| 23:52.06 | badcloud | actually, maybe 1 out of 10 calls I wouldn't be able to answer |
| 23:52.06 | badcloud | it wouldn't stop vibrating |
| 23:52.06 | badcloud | phone quality was fine |
| 23:52.22 | eolson | Fougner, that's just a guess (java, apps not written specifically for openmoko, etc.) |
| 23:52.56 | Fougner | ah |
| 23:53.21 | Fougner | well I don't know, when I tried, it felt fine |
| 23:53.26 | Fougner | the UI and response |
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| 23:54.01 | eolson | badcloud, ah, ok, that sounds FSO-related, I believe there's a bug for that you could find if there's a fix yet. |
| 23:54.33 | badcloud | I think it's supposed to be fixed in the latest image |
| 23:54.40 | Dave | javafail? |
| 23:54.47 | eolson | badcloud, ok, cool |
| 23:54.56 | badcloud | here's hoping |
| 23:54.59 | eolson | Fougner, ok, cool, I didn't know that |
| 23:55.13 | Fougner | =) |
| 23:55.17 | badcloud | in om 2008.12 there was a serious problem of call-answering timing |
| 23:55.26 | Dave | So, who's using Android? |
| 23:55.36 | badcloud | if I didn't time it just right, the call would reach voicemail |
| 23:55.41 | Fougner | also, I think there's a little more time spent on the Android platform, than any other openmoko software =) |
| 23:55.56 | badcloud | kind of ironic |
| 23:57.03 | eolson | Fougner, yeah, I'm probably just a little too anti-google and anti-java for android -- personal preference |
| 23:57.12 | Fougner | I see ^^ |
| 23:57.39 | Fougner | similar to me when it comes to MS and Apple :P |
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| 23:58.48 | eolson | Fougner, yep, of course I'm much happier if you run Android on an openmoko phone than one from another company :) |
| 23:59.11 | Fougner | ;P |
