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| 00:56.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r145bd91653f8 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): wakeup threshold and waitms is now configurable. This is 0.3.1 |
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| 01:13.31 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r1af4f7914c84 10/src/multiplexer.vala: not only wakeup before sending data, wakeup before sending all kinds of commands |
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| 01:53.15 | vmlemon_ | Hi, has anyone tried to build a working "hybrid" Android/OpenMoko firmware image/FS, out of interest? |
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| 02:00.20 | vininim | uh, what do you mean? |
| 02:00.53 | cjb | I guess he means one where you can switch between Android and something like FSO at runtime |
| 02:01.21 | cjb | it doesn't sound impossible; they're both userlands on top of Linux, though very different |
| 02:01.31 | vmlemon_ | vininim: Essentially booting with an Android kernel, and having the standard Android and OpenMoko software components coexisting in the same partition |
| 02:02.34 | cjb | I'm pretty sure no-one has done this |
| 02:02.42 | cjb | but I'd be interested to see it happen |
| 02:03.28 | vmlemon_ | (Presumably so you could somehow use applications designed for both environments, with the caveat that you'd probably need to kill Skia to start the X11 OpenMoko apps, and vice-versa, unless someone was to build a rootless server) |
| 02:04.29 | vininim | maybe in the future someone will port android to fso |
| 02:04.39 | vininim | *android apps |
| 02:04.58 | cjb | vmlemon_: yes, big difference between xorg apps and android |
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| 02:06.57 | docscrutinizer2 | wonders if only X is able to start concurrent desktops on a dedicated vt each |
| 02:09.09 | docscrutinizer2 | (see: sax test option e.g.) |
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| 03:17.48 | Toaster` | interesting, I'm getting a segfault while trying to reinstall my tzdata |
| 03:18.23 | Toaster` | Anyone know why `opkg -force-reinstall install tzdata` wouldn't work? |
| 03:28.56 | kd8ikt | what does raster mean |
| 03:29.45 | kd8ikt | oh thats trippy |
| 03:29.51 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: in graphics, a flat image IIRC, opposite a vector/layered image basically |
| 03:30.29 | kd8ikt | i found a wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics |
| 03:31.25 | kd8ikt | i was looking up opengl es stuff |
| 03:31.39 | kd8ikt | specs whatnot |
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| 03:32.01 | kd8ikt | i heard raster and was liek omfg i kno himZ |
| 03:32.15 | Toaster` | ahh, heh |
| 03:32.56 | kd8ikt | and he mostly did play with graphics |
| 03:33.15 | kd8ikt | raster: i'm talkin bout you is your nose/ear itching? |
| 03:33.31 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 03:34.38 | kd8ikt | anyway i was wondering how these opegl libs and whatnot translate into actuating hardware |
| 03:35.48 | kd8ikt | maybe i should read xglamo's src |
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| 03:51.00 | raster | throws kittens @ kd8ikt |
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| 04:05.29 | slaxxin | wheres the fso 5.1 speken of? |
| 04:06.01 | slaxxin | ahh |
| 04:07.16 | vininim | oh my, cross-lfs to arm is already at 77MB with only glibc |
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| 05:14.56 | jrodger | hello? |
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| 05:20.33 | MadTBone | any ETA for the next SHR release?.... or, how's the most recent unstable? |
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| 05:36.59 | jrodger | SHR? how does that compare to other distros? |
| 05:37.21 | jrodger | I'm new to openmoko, have freerunner and still looking for comfortable distro |
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| 05:39.58 | rhkfin | jrodger: SHR or debian are good choices at the momebt. |
| 05:40.00 | rhkfin | moment |
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| 05:59.48 | jrodger | I awas trying FDOM but it is too bloated.... is SHR a similar build (uImage.bin + jffs2) to android, om2008 and FDOM? |
| 06:01.33 | jrodger | rhkfin: I awas trying FDOM but it is too bloated.... is SHR a similar build (uImage.bin + jffs2) to android, om2008 and FDOM? |
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| 06:04.39 | rhkfin | it's different from FDOM & openmoko as it uses frameworkd (see freesmartphone.org) and then again android is something completely different. SHR is closest to FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 06:07.25 | rhkfin | jrodger: you can also try my project at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer |
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| 06:13.19 | jrodger | rhkin: I am new to this phone but want to get into helping with it, I just have a few issues |
| 06:14.22 | jrodger | I tried Om2008.12 but it didn't complete the boot, there was a line in the script about only allowing GTA01 hardware????? I got Om2008.9 to work |
| 06:14.55 | rhkfin | jrodger: sounds like you flashed something wrong there.. |
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| 06:15.34 | ccfly | morning :) |
| 06:15.57 | jrodger | rhkfin: I flashed the Om2008.12 uImage and jffs2 from the same page |
| 06:16.21 | jrodger | I'd be happy woith Om2008.12 if I could then get the WPA to work as well.... |
| 06:16.29 | jrodger | morning ccfly |
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| 06:18.10 | jrodger | bugger, I fell out..... |
| 06:20.12 | jrodger | rhkfin: which files should I be downloading to get Om2008.12 to work without the GTA01 error? |
| 06:20.21 | rhkfin | jrodger: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ and you took the gta02v5 files? |
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| 06:20.29 | jrodger | should I be using the original bootloader or Qi? |
| 06:20.56 | rhkfin | I don't know. uboot=original works but now people are starting with Qi, I have no experience yet. |
| 06:21.00 | jrodger | rhkfin: not sure, I don't think so though...should I have? |
| 06:21.19 | rhkfin | jrodger: hmm.. yes, you have a GTA02 phone there :) |
| 06:21.40 | rhkfin | (or gta files in general) |
| 06:21.41 | jrodger | yes, is GTA02, I have found that much so far.....:D |
| 06:22.49 | jrodger | I didn't use the GTA02v5 files first up.....I will try SHR - if you recommend it, is it easy ennough to stumle through? |
| 06:23.18 | rhkfin | SHR - never tried but what I've heard it's a good direction at least in the future. I don' know about the current state. |
| 06:23.41 | jrodger | rhkfin: okay, would you like me to keep you posted? |
| 06:24.14 | rhkfin | 2008.12 might be at the moment still the easiest to make work nice (Kustomizer or Bytestore setting builder http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore#install ) |
| 06:24.36 | rhkfin | jrodger: If you try SHR I'm happy to hear how you're doing. I should try it myself too |
| 06:26.46 | jrodger | rhkfin: well, I'm downloading the jffs2 nowq, will take my dogs for a walk then install it...... |
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| 06:28.44 | rhkfin | ok : |
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| 07:27.43 | jrodger | rhkfin, SHR seems okay, quite a bit more intuitive than FDOM and android.....still looking though. |
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| 07:42.42 | methril | morning |
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| 07:51.46 | bartuer | hi, I just flash android to freerunner, anyone know how to using keyboard? |
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| 08:38.58 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:46.12 | laen | bartuer: have you read the wiki? |
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| 09:14.16 | jrodger | rhkfin: how do you apply your scripts? |
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| 10:12.41 | rhkfin | jrodger: you need a clean 2008.12 for that. Have a look at the Kustomizer code or wiki page, it'll explain it. |
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| 10:18.55 | jrodger | hmmmm, no good, I cannot get 2008.12 onto the FR :(( |
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| 10:35.51 | rhkfin | :( |
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| 10:47.03 | rhkfin | Did you try again? HAve a look at the kustomizer code for commands to download & flash 2008.12 |
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| 11:09.41 | torpor | so anyone running shr-testing on their GTA01 (neo1973)??? |
| 11:13.31 | Serdar | hi |
| 11:14.38 | Serdar | I installed qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu on my freerunner, but if I start it in nor it says u-boot again, is that correct? |
| 11:14.54 | vininim | yes |
| 11:15.12 | Wonka | nor is only modifiable via debug board |
| 11:15.25 | Serdar | oh |
| 11:15.45 | Serdar | so I didn't really install qi? |
| 11:17.07 | vininim | in NAND |
| 11:17.44 | vininim | if it boots with power button only, possibly |
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| 11:26.03 | Serdar | I must install things via NAND also qi? |
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| 11:34.08 | ccfly | no |
| 11:34.15 | ccfly | you installed qi into NAND from NOR |
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| 11:34.25 | ccfly | boot freerunner ba pressing power button only |
| 11:34.37 | ccfly | and it should boot using qi |
| 11:37.11 | Serdar | hmm. k |
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| 11:51.51 | panicking | Hi all |
| 11:51.53 | panicking | :) |
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| 11:55.20 | ezuall | Hi... panicking? |
| 11:55.36 | Serdar | hm |
| 11:56.49 | panicking | Hi :) |
| 11:57.31 | panicking | I don't have the noise on call of yestarday, I don't understand. Seems releated to a temponary |
| 11:57.33 | panicking | hw problem |
| 11:58.40 | rhkfin | panicking: it's related to the frequency at least. The lower the freq, the less noise or something |
| 11:59.47 | lindi- | panicking: its the other party that hears the buzz |
| 11:59.54 | lindi- | s/its/it's/( |
| 12:04.12 | panicking | I hear the noise |
| 12:04.20 | panicking | It's not related |
| 12:04.25 | panicking | to the at command |
| 12:04.28 | panicking | the reduce the noise |
| 12:04.35 | panicking | Yestarday the phone |
| 12:04.36 | lindi- | panicking: which bug is that? |
| 12:04.45 | panicking | It is not a bug |
| 12:04.56 | panicking | I say that yestarday I have hw problem with calypso |
| 12:05.12 | panicking | and today I don't have this strange effect with the same software |
| 12:05.25 | panicking | is this happen to anyone in the past |
| 12:05.25 | panicking | ? |
| 12:06.15 | lindi- | panicking: you should report it |
| 12:08.03 | ezuall | panicking: Yes, it sounds like a strange one, how do you know that yesterdays issue was an hw issue? |
| 12:09.47 | panicking | because I don't change the software. First I have noise on the phone call, then I can't heard nothing |
| 12:10.18 | panicking | but the calypso response at all the command |
| 12:10.37 | panicking | so seems to be related to audio switching or audio out |
| 12:11.26 | panicking | I can't reproduce now |
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| 12:24.58 | Serdar | is there a trick to get the sd card out of the slot? |
| 12:25.29 | SpeedEvil | swear at it a lot |
| 12:25.55 | SpeedEvil | IIRC the metal bit slides away from the edge of the case, pressed with a fingernail |
| 12:26.14 | SpeedEvil | after you remove the SIM and battery of course |
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| 12:27.15 | Serdar | got it |
| 12:27.31 | Serdar | swaring works |
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| 12:37.21 | Serdar | do I need a swap partition and how large it is used to be? |
| 12:39.03 | henk | Serdar: i use a swap partition with my debian and it's 512MB |
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| 12:39.34 | Serdar | hmm 512 on my 512M card will not much room for more |
| 12:40.04 | henk | you don't have much room for anything on a 512M card anyway... |
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| 12:40.53 | henk | ah sorry, it's about 760M, but only because that's what was left after doing 4G for / and 3G for /root... |
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| 13:34.47 | stra | hi guys, since today I am a proud owner of the neo freerunner |
| 13:34.57 | Defiant- | stra: I feel so sorry for you |
| 13:35.03 | mirko-paroli | hi, congrats :) |
| 13:35.04 | stra | :-) |
| 13:35.30 | mirko-paroli | optimism is always refreshing :) |
| 13:35.39 | ccfly | si what you're trying to say is you've given up on social life and are on your path to uber geek persona |
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| 13:44.01 | stra | its not that bad, in just 2 hours from opening the box to working calls, wifi, and inet over wifi |
| 13:44.50 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r63e1435165e0 10/pycd/ (TODO pycd.conf pycd.py): pycd: add a python preloaded |
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| 13:53.45 | Zorkman | congratz stra |
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| 14:33.19 | stra | quick poll: What dist are you guys running? |
| 14:33.56 | h4v | asu |
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| 14:35.02 | stra | anyone with FDOM? |
| 14:35.29 | Defiant- | stra: Debian |
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| 14:47.56 | bricode | Is there any decent documentation on the accelerometers and what the different ranges for values are for the settings? (ie: threshold, sample_rate etc). |
| 14:48.38 | bricode | PaulFertser: For the record, there is a mailing list for Android on the FR at http://android.koolu.org/listinfo.cgi |
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| 14:52.17 | PaulFertser | bricode: Hey :) |
| 14:52.50 | PaulFertser | bricode: What does koolu have a forum then? ;) |
| 14:53.12 | bricode | PaulFertser: I like to give people different ways to communicate. |
| 14:53.25 | PaulFertser | bricode: even if the way is very inefficient? |
| 14:53.35 | bricode | PaulFertser: It's like asking, why does Openmoko have a wiki when they have 4 or more different mailing lists? |
| 14:53.48 | bricode | PaulFertser: You think the community list is efficient? |
| 14:54.12 | PaulFertser | bricode: wiki is meant to store information. Mailing list is meant to produce information. That's how i see it. |
| 14:54.40 | PaulFertser | bricode: community list? It's not that bad, imho, with a decent mail reader. Even Andy reads it. |
| 14:55.17 | bricode | PaulFertser: Fair enough, but instructions and other snippets are easier to thread in a forum. You have the advantage of different formatting. |
| 14:55.40 | bricode | PaulFertser: Also the ability to augment information with external sources. |
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| 14:56.53 | PaulFertser | bricode: i see no reason to not include urls to the external information in the mailing list posts too. As to the code -- decent mailing readers even have a formatting mode for patches with syntax highlighting. |
| 14:58.12 | PaulFertser | bricode: the main disadvantage of web-forum is absence of well-establish standard for user-side applications. And therefore all those horrible hacks (ala Greasemonkey) exist. Very fragile and inefficient. And if there were a standard, it'd be NNTP ;) |
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| 14:58.37 | bricode | PaulFertser: Fair enough. What about cross-language issues and localization? |
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| 14:59.01 | bricode | PaulFertser: Search engine optimization and drawing people to your site. |
| 14:59.29 | bricode | There are a whole host of reasons for a forum, and some for mailing lists. That's why we offer both. |
| 15:00.16 | PaulFertser | bricode: i use only "english" for technical communication, i see no fair reason to not do otherwise :) And mailing list archives are included in google results the same way as forum posts are. |
| 15:00.41 | PaulFertser | bricode: i see no advantages of forums comparing to mailing lists or NNTP, but plenty of disadvantages. |
| 15:01.31 | Defiant- | 1. you don't need to tell people how to configure their mua |
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| 15:02.50 | bricode | PaulFertser: I'm sorry, but that's a pretty arrogant statement. There are plenty of people who don't speak English, and Koolu's mandate is to bring access to technology to a broad range of people. |
| 15:02.53 | PaulFertser | Defiant-: Just post the instructions on subscription web page. Moreover, i don't know about any special configuration needed for most popular muas. |
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| 15:03.24 | Defiant- | PaulFertser: I know a lot people who wouldn't read that |
| 15:03.54 | PaulFertser | bricode: I consider basic knowledge of English is mandatory for every engineer and advanced user as well. So, i see no reason to spent time on localization. |
| 15:04.30 | PaulFertser | Defiant-: then they don't need freerunner as well, i guess. Let them buy iPhones and eat at McDonalds. |
| 15:04.42 | Defiant- | lol |
| 15:05.17 | PaulFertser | bricode: i think you see i'm not native speaker too. But i'd better spend time on improving my language skills than on translating. |
| 15:07.07 | bricode | PaulFertser: True, but not everybody has the luxury of having access to learn English. It think we're debating two different points here...one being the target for developers, and the other the target for more of an end user. |
| 15:07.19 | PaulFertser | bricode: it's like a scientist that doesn't posses common mathematical knowledge. He just can't collaborate with anybody efficiently. So is with development, like it or not, English is the most widely accepted language for collaboration. |
| 15:08.17 | PaulFertser | bricode: learning written English is not hard, one can do it himself by self-studying. |
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| 15:09.15 | PaulFertser | bricode: as to the forums vs mailing lists, i can't see how forum is better suited for non-english languages than mailing lists. |
| 15:09.29 | Defiant- | yeah and after a self-study you sound like a dyslexic. But language is easier to maintain, granted |
| 15:10.10 | bricode | PaulFertser: it's a little easier to have 1-1 mapping of different posts/subjects in a forum than on a mailing list for language reasons. |
| 15:10.26 | panicking | PaulFertser, bricode: Force to move question on android mailing list is better for the develop. Recently some ask for having the IMEI number, 20 minutus of work for And2Nav. So if people ask and post on the mailing list can have answer in a few minute. There are a lot of little change that can be done quickly |
| 15:10.32 | PaulFertser | bricode: imo the main reason for forums' existence is to please clueless non-technical users who doesn't want to learn how to use decent software. |
| 15:10.56 | bricode | PaulFertser: You mean like Android? :) |
| 15:11.06 | PaulFertser | bricode: i mean like decent MUA. |
| 15:11.19 | PaulFertser | bricode: btw, can i ask you a technical question about Android? |
| 15:11.24 | bricode | PaulFertser: Sure. |
| 15:11.45 | PaulFertser | bricode: is there a strong reason to drop POSIX and X compatibility? |
| 15:12.25 | Zorkman | my humble opinion: ml is very good for the current FR users, but when/if it gets "mainstream" there will a need for a forum; these ar much more "common" to end users than mailinglists |
| 15:13.23 | Zorkman | forums are also easier/with a better gui browsable than ml (especially, when you have just aquired a FR and don't have the mails in your own e-mail program) |
| 15:13.45 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: i'd say let those who likes forums do their own forum. Personally i don't want to help anybody using forums. And most developers agree with me. If you don't want to learn to make communication efficient, then you don't deserve to be helped. |
| 15:13.52 | Zorkman | but since the current FR audience is 99%geek/tech the need is not that high |
| 15:14.12 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: therere mailing list archives that can be easily searched with http browsers. |
| 15:14.17 | bricode | PaulFertser: For an embedded system, X probably isn't a bad thing to go for size and complexity reasons. QT dropped it. So did Android in favour of straight framebuffer. |
| 15:15.27 | m2 | actually X has a bad spokesperson... it isn't so bad resource-wise, it's just that most people believe it's a resource hog... |
| 15:15.28 | PaulFertser | bricode: But Raster says that all talks about "X is slow" are mostly due to toolkit designers who don't understand X's internals and therefore don't use it efficiently. And i think he's the person who can be trusted. |
| 15:16.10 | bricode | PaulFertser: As for Posix, I would think that Android is probably the closest for implementing at least a subset of it when compared to the other commercial embedded phone operating systems (RIMOS, Symbian, WinMo). The only exception might be the iPhone, but you can't even get into it to figure that out. |
| 15:16.13 | PaulFertser | bricode: QT didn't drop it. Qtopia did. And we all know how "good" is Qtopia. |
| 15:16.27 | bricode | PaulFertser: Sorry, mistake on symantics there. |
| 15:16.30 | m2 | and it does have something in its favour: *most* efforts worth looking at in the context of free software happen at the X layer, not at the framebuffer layer... |
| 15:16.43 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r59f32eb03ff7 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/gsm0710.h): |
| 15:16.43 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: rewrite virtual channel v24 status defines (non-code change) |
| 15:16.43 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: release as 1.1.1 |
| 15:17.25 | m2 | for example, if I-forget-his-name succeeds in getting 3D acceleration working with the Glammo, we could benefit from it right away if Android used X. |
| 15:17.54 | bricode | PaulFertser: I'll have to admit, I'm not very fluent in X anything. |
| 15:17.55 | m2 | while porting that stuff to a framebuffer driver is non-trivial |
| 15:17.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r6fdfbc2bb50c 10/src/gsm0710-1.0.vapi: sync |
| 15:17.57 | PaulFertser | bricode: why compare Android with shit (wince)? Why don't just install a real gnu/linux system? If you think glibc is too heavy for embedded, go uclibc. But why drop shell, unix utilities, everything else needed? |
| 15:18.21 | PaulFertser | m2: exactly. Dropping X support is alienating developers. Too hard to port anything. |
| 15:18.52 | bricode | PaulFertser: To reach a larger (and substantially different) audience than what is being reached currently with OM and existing OM distributions. |
| 15:18.55 | m2 | PaulFertser: there I have to agree with the choice the Googlers made, in Android's context POSIX isn't that useful... |
| 15:19.44 | PaulFertser | bricode: dropping support for the most widely used API and user interface is aiding to reach larger audience? I can't get it. |
| 15:20.39 | bricode | PaulFertser: A larger developer audience? No, you're right. A larger end user audience, quite possibly. |
| 15:20.45 | PaulFertser | m2: sure, if your aim is to sell custom-designed programs on Android Market, then yes, probably A's way is what should be done. But don't try to sell it as a technically superiour system. |
| 15:22.15 | PaulFertser | bricode: so, we're getting to the point here: Android is well suited to sell apps to clueless end-users, not to please hackers. |
| 15:22.21 | torpor | sooo .. |
| 15:22.40 | torpor | PaulFertser: it is -beautifully- simple to write software on android and just run it. |
| 15:22.44 | PaulFertser | bricode: and if you don't want to please hackers, do not say that your software is good and worthy. |
| 15:22.53 | bricode | PaulFertser: If you want to boil it down to that, yes. |
| 15:22.54 | torpor | android represents a well-done distro, and only on the bones of distro's can programmers prosper. |
| 15:23.15 | m2 | PaulFertser: I don't think it was necessarily for lock-in reasons (which is what I guess you are trying to imply) but a design choice, I mean if your premise is that everything is java, what do you need POSIX for? why 100% java, again, design choice... |
| 15:23.26 | torpor | openmoko '3rd party development' blows. for what distro, if you please, must i bundle up my app? |
| 15:23.38 | PaulFertser | m2: no, i'm not talking about lockin at all. |
| 15:23.56 | torpor | a cross-platfrom .bin for the openmoko scene is impossible |
| 15:24.10 | PaulFertser | torpor: openmoko doesn't have a distro at all atm. |
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| 15:24.28 | torpor | PaulFertser: it has about 7 'interesting' things to run. |
| 15:24.30 | PaulFertser | torpor: cross-platform bin? Who needs it, give me the source! |
| 15:24.39 | bricode | PaulFertser: Good and worthy is a bit of a misnomer. I've never said that Android is technically superior. However, I will say that it is more usable for the majority who aren't as technically inclined. |
| 15:24.41 | PaulFertser | torpor: OM-the-company doesn't have any. |
| 15:24.45 | torpor | pfft, what sort of source do you think is running on android? java of course. |
| 15:25.04 | torpor | android-decompiler_x.tar.gz ; ./configure ; make upload |
| 15:26.02 | PaulFertser | bricode: ok, but i don't think a new smartphone is needed at all. So, either you hack with any device you like or you can go buy an old n-gage or something for "everyday"-usage. |
| 15:26.04 | torpor | cross platformm .bins are -important- to the linux eco-system. otherwise the advantages of having full open-source is diminished by having to target __X(3000) distro/platform/linux-family targets. |
| 15:27.06 | torpor | freerunner *could* be cooler than android, as of today, if but for one thing: it isn't. |
| 15:27.10 | PaulFertser | torpor: i thought that often-blamed autotools are working reasonably on every distribution. At least i don't remember any big problems compiling any good software on any distro. |
| 15:27.12 | torpor | too much fracture. |
| 15:28.13 | PaulFertser | bricode: i think hackers shouldn't care about the majority who needs a new shiny toy. That's just helping consumerism. |
| 15:29.02 | torpor | hackers do not own their computers. |
| 15:29.29 | torpor | computers are good for 'non-hackers' too, if there must be typecasting .. |
| 15:29.47 | torpor | some better than othrs. |
| 15:30.37 | bricode | PaulFertser: I think hackers should spend more time trying to think about how to make the world a better place than on just their shiny piece of code. |
| 15:31.27 | torpor | hackers make the world go mad, dude. |
| 15:31.34 | torpor | if it wasn't for hackers we wouldn't have had the bomb. |
| 15:31.40 | torpor | do not kid yourself. |
| 15:32.06 | PaulFertser | bricode: imho helping Android doesn't help to make world a better place... |
| 15:32.18 | m2 | it if wasn't for hackers we wouldn't have much of anything actually... |
| 15:32.26 | SpeedEvil | Android is less evil than some other phone platforms. |
| 15:32.33 | PaulFertser | torpor: true, that's why Taosisms advices agains knowledge. |
| 15:33.45 | bricode | PaulFertser: Maybe not. But even if you consider that by having Android on this phone, they can increase productio volume, which lowers the cost for other hackers, and ensures sustainability of OM to continue to produce open phones. |
| 15:34.43 | PaulFertser | torpor: btw, i think that russian "hackers" made the bomb to help peace, not war. |
| 15:35.21 | PaulFertser | bricode: hm, you got me on that one, i admit. |
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| 15:36.27 | PaulFertser | torpor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov |
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| 16:02.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: how's you project going? :) Have you solved muxer problems? |
| 16:03.21 | panicking | The muxer is the second problem. Android ril miss a lot of basic service |
| 16:03.25 | panicking | so I try to implement |
| 16:03.29 | panicking | one by one |
| 16:03.56 | panicking | Now I have a truble with the voice. Yestarday happen to me, today does't happen |
| 16:04.05 | PaulFertser | I see... Too bad google didn't insist strong enough that more components should be free... |
| 16:04.11 | panicking | but I have other user with the sam probelm |
| 16:04.19 | PaulFertser | What problem? |
| 16:04.34 | panicking | Do you whant an opion on goolge code |
| 16:04.34 | panicking | ? |
| 16:04.43 | panicking | android code? |
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| 16:05.20 | PaulFertser | If you're asking if i want to hear your opinion about google's code, then yes, sure, i'd like to hear what you think about it. |
| 16:05.34 | panicking | google code is orrible |
| 16:05.42 | panicking | the layer hardware is ugly |
| 16:05.51 | panicking | the rild process and the ril code |
| 16:05.55 | panicking | is orrible |
| 16:06.15 | panicking | They have SoftMixer |
| 16:06.22 | panicking | for volume |
| 16:06.31 | panicking | mediaserver take 20% of the cputime |
| 16:06.32 | panicking | for music |
| 16:06.53 | panicking | The code style is bad |
| 16:07.04 | panicking | tab, space, tab+space |
| 16:07.21 | SpeedEvil | On the other (rather large) hand. |
| 16:07.27 | SpeedEvil | It's a functional phone stack. |
| 16:07.30 | SpeedEvil | Pretty-much. |
| 16:08.56 | panicking | I don't find an open discussion on patch |
| 16:09.00 | panicking | propose of change |
| 16:09.21 | panicking | The freerunner mailing list |
| 16:09.50 | panicking | is not used by the developer |
| 16:11.04 | PaulFertser | panicking: (horrible google code) i see... Good luck to you, patience and the force to hack around all that google "features". Wish you your next project will be more fun to work with. |
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| 16:26.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * re31e0105a7da 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): |
| 16:26.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: * Added sending v24 data bytes on virtual channel from host -> module. |
| 16:26.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: * Changed dbus test command signature to 'ay' (array of bytes), |
| 16:26.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: since test commands can embed null-bytes. |
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| 16:34.33 | stra | PaulFertser: interessting discussion you had about distros, differnt types of users and how to develop in this scenario. Some years ago I had the same discussion with Linux Distros, Linux User-Types, and how/where to develop software. It sounds all soo familiar... |
| 16:35.14 | |Marco| | have any of you managed to fix the no-boot-blackscreen-after-upgrade in SHR ? |
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| 16:35.27 | baba_melone | Hi |
| 16:35.36 | baba_melone | I have a question to all SHR users |
| 16:35.44 | baba_melone | are you able to receive calls? |
| 16:35.49 | baba_melone | i am not |
| 16:35.51 | |Marco| | baba_melone: I am |
| 16:36.07 | |Marco| | have you flashed your gsm chip yet ? |
| 16:36.10 | baba_melone | the phone wont stop vibrating and i hear nothing and a cant say anything |
| 16:36.23 | baba_melone | is flashing it necessary? |
| 16:36.23 | |Marco| | aah, that |
| 16:36.39 | |Marco| | well.. usually that's a lag or something |
| 16:36.46 | PaulFertser | stra: the life hasn't changed a lot, just GNU/Linux distros become more common among regular users. Is it a gain or a loss i don't know. |
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| 16:36.59 | |Marco| | baba_melone: well, no |
| 16:37.09 | baba_melone | |Marco| : I get this regularly |
| 16:37.14 | PaulFertser | stra: and now we have a very similar situation with FR as was with "mainline" GNU/Linux some years ago. |
| 16:37.28 | PaulFertser | baba_melone: latest SHR unstable? |
| 16:37.30 | baba_melone | I have never successfully received a call |
| 16:37.45 | baba_melone | think so |
| 16:37.49 | baba_melone | dunno if latest |
| 16:38.01 | |Marco| | opkg update and opkg upgrade? |
| 16:38.06 | PaulFertser | baba_melone: but it's unstable version, are you sure on that one? |
| 16:38.06 | baba_melone | but i have just run opkg upgrade |
| 16:38.08 | baba_melone | k |
| 16:38.14 | |Marco| | okay |
| 16:38.20 | baba_melone | wait a moment |
| 16:38.26 | baba_melone | i willl look at the feeds |
| 16:39.10 | baba_melone | yeah |
| 16:39.13 | baba_melone | its unstable |
| 16:39.16 | baba_melone | not testing |
| 16:39.44 | baba_melone | i am sure about that now |
| 16:40.08 | PaulFertser | baba_melone: i advice you to flash the latest image. Upgrading is known not to work from some some versions to some others. As you don't know what image do you use, better reflash. |
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| 16:42.49 | baba_melone | well i know what image im using now |
| 16:42.51 | p3t3r__ | Don't want to spam the channel, but i've written down my thoughts about usability in current freerunner software.. http://linmob.blogspot.com/2009/02/thoughts-on-usabilty-on-freerunner.html |
| 16:43.04 | baba_melone | its the one from january the 29th |
| 16:44.39 | henk | p3t3r__: it's not tracked by planet.openmoko.org? |
| 16:45.21 | p3t3r__ | no, actually not. |
| 16:45.38 | p3t3r__ | just have my openmoko gta02 for a week today |
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| 16:48.15 | p3t3r__ | henk: I did write earlier about OpenMoko (as I have been trying to follow the project since I first heard of it (I guess this was in early 2007 or so)), but as I hadn't a device being part of the planet didn't make sense, and i still doubt that it would do right now, as i am no developer, more an advanced user who tries to be informed and thinks about what could be done better |
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| 16:55.41 | henk | p3t3r__: which could be interesting for developers or other advanced users, so i think it belongs on planet. but it is your decision of course :) |
| 16:58.14 | p3t3r__ | henk: well.. it would be nice to be added to the planet, i am not against it, so if you're the one to add blogs to the planet - and if you think that my blog is ok to be added, i am not against it |
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| 17:00.24 | stra | PaulFertser: exactly, at least for myself, i made my descition and will make an app for freesmartphone, sticking to one distribution (om). I wonder if we will see anything like UnitedLinux coming up as UnitedOM in some time :-) |
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| 17:16.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r2505336c7886 10/src/multiplexer.vala: send '!SHUTDOWN' message to higher layers and close logical channel, if we got instructed to do so from the modem side |
| 17:19.08 | joerg_42 | PaulFertser_: isn't a term-(etc)signal to parent propagated to child processes? |
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| 17:27.35 | mirko-paroli | p3t3r__: nice post :) |
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| 17:31.14 | ashbert | Hey there ! Anyone here tested recording a voice conversation on GTA01/02 ? |
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| 17:35.59 | p3t3r__ | mirko-paroli: thanks :) |
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| 17:40.28 | joerg_42 | ashbert: should work. need teaked statefile though |
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| 17:46.05 | ashbert | joerg: I tried the voice state file on openmoko wiki ... it didnt work for me though |
| 17:46.09 | ashbert | do you have one that works ? |
| 17:47.34 | ashbert | http://wildsau.enemy.org/~moko/voice-recording.state |
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| 17:48.58 | joerg_42 | ashbert: wait a minue. I got a mail from Arhuaco today (iirc), telling about a functioning statefile for recording mic |
| 17:49.53 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: I have an entry in my TODO list to update the wiki to reflect that. I'm sorry I haven't updated it yet.... |
| 17:50.03 | joerg_42 | anyway I dunno whether there is a statefile suitable for recording a call exactly |
| 17:50.43 | joerg_42 | hey Arhuaco :-) could you take over? |
| 17:51.03 | Arhuaco | joerg_42:it should be voip-handset.state .... |
| 17:51.13 | Arhuaco | :-) |
| 17:51.22 | Arhuaco | I somehow found it today with google... |
| 17:51.28 | ashbert | Arhuaco: were you able to record a voice conversation with that ? |
| 17:51.40 | Arhuaco | I don't know where the Good version is supposed to be. |
| 17:51.43 | Arhuaco | ashbert, yes. |
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| 17:51.54 | Arhuaco | ashbert, it works well. |
| 17:52.00 | ashbert | and did you use arecord to record while the call was on ? |
| 17:52.07 | joerg_42 | Arhuaco: need detailled URL. there's lots of screwed up statefiles around out there |
| 17:52.08 | Arhuaco | ashbert, no. |
| 17:52.16 | ashbert | oh , then ? |
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| 17:52.37 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: Ok, let's ask for it on the same ticket that reports the bug because I kind of forgot about that issue... Ok? |
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| 17:53.50 | joerg_42 | thinks statefiles' actual status as well as the whole concept is FUBAR |
| 17:53.58 | Arhuaco | ashbert, I don't know. This is pretty beyond my knowledge now and all I can do is wait for the people that are looking and it and help them if I can with something. For instance, starting with something easy as updating the wiki so that we stop misleading people whit this issue. |
| 17:54.10 | Arhuaco | s/and it/at it/ |
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| 17:55.01 | ashbert | Arhuaco: can you post the link here ? |
| 17:55.12 | ashbert | where you got the file that works for you |
| 17:55.25 | joerg_42 | statefile fixing at large won't work no f***ng way |
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| 17:56.11 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: I don't really know. All what I can do know if tell you the name of the state file, and in the mean time ask in the ticket to the ones that know better to tell us where the good file is. |
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| 17:56.35 | Arhuaco | s/know if/now is/ |
| 17:56.43 | Arhuaco | I am really sleepy now, I'm sorry for the typos. |
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| 17:57.20 | joerg_42 | there are too many screwed files that worked on Gta02A5 preproduction only e.g. |
| 17:57.36 | ashbert | hmm |
| 17:57.40 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: I know, I'm sure you know better about that. |
| 17:57.45 | joerg_42 | in the end you asked the right guy this moment ;-) |
| 17:57.55 | joerg_42 | yup |
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| 17:58.38 | joerg_42 | Arhuaco: (typos) np :) me just awaking, same amount of typos anyway |
| 17:58.38 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: In any case I think it really, really makes sense to put this in the relevant ticket. I'll just to it. If we leave this on IRC it will get lost forever. |
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| 17:59.03 | joerg_42 | 100% ACK |
| 18:00.15 | joerg_42 | Please check for me being in CC of the ticket, otherwise ping me :-) |
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| 18:00.30 | Arhuaco | joerg_42: Ok. What is your nick on trac? |
| 18:00.42 | joerg_42 | joerg? |
| 18:00.47 | joerg_42 | at om |
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| 18:02.03 | ashbert | thanks anyway guys .. i |
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| 18:02.42 | joerg_42 | ashbert: not much of a help so far. sorry for that |
| 18:03.20 | joerg_42 | alsa state files is really "work in *progress*" just this moment |
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| 18:03.42 | ashbert | well atleast i know things maynot work only becoz of my changes alone :p |
| 18:04.05 | joerg_42 | wait a minute... |
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| 18:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | ashbert: sorry really can't find the right pointer for you ATM. As I said: statefile situation is FUBAR |
| 18:10.40 | ashbert | ok np |
| 18:10.53 | ashbert | i'll keep at it .. if i find any leads .. i'll be back here to update |
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| 18:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | ashbert: I'm willing to help you tweak your gsmhandset.state to enable recording |
| 18:11.58 | ashbert | awesome |
| 18:12.21 | ashbert | so far, ive diff'd the capture headset and gsmhandset files and added stuff to gsmhandset |
| 18:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | good approach |
| 18:12.42 | ashbert | but things didnt work .. |
| 18:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | so what's missing? |
| 18:13.03 | ashbert | are you going to be online for sometime ? |
| 18:13.09 | ashbert | i gtg for a bit |
| 18:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | yup probably |
| 18:13.17 | ashbert | be back in an hour |
| 18:13.29 | ashbert | late for class already :] |
| 18:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | basicly I'm always around here |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 18:13.38 | ashbert | cool |
| 18:13.39 | ashbert | i'll ping |
| 18:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | go ahead |
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| 18:16.09 | Arhuaco | joerg_42, ashbert: Updated #2073 ... |
| 18:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 18:17.59 | Arhuaco | is very sleep and will fall soon. |
| 18:18.15 | Arhuaco | s/very sleep/very sleepy/ |
| 18:18.18 | Arhuaco | whatever.... |
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| 18:24.58 | |Marco| | has there been any observations on strange screen jitters on SHR ? |
| 18:25.18 | |Marco| | s/on/of |
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| 19:19.21 | liroux | hello, i needs some help for flashing for use my usim 3G PF AC (sorry for my poor english) I use this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing but my cursor is flashing at the right of (reset target). what do i do ? |
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| 19:20.47 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: follow the wiki, you should power on modem according to instructions now |
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| 19:32.07 | majkade | what is the way of building a toolchain? for the a780? |
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| 19:34.47 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: btw, while you're at it, i suggest you to flash moko11beta, not moko10. |
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| 19:37.48 | liroux | ok |
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| 19:41.19 | liroux | ok. I opened the second ssh connection, and copy/pasted the command line. (to turn the modem back on) |
| 19:41.35 | liroux | it doesnt appear to be doing the rest... |
| 19:44.02 | liroux | when I do "echo "AT@POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0" I have to wait for a while, is this normal ? |
| 19:45.48 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: you can skip this line anyway |
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| 19:46.01 | liroux | ok |
| 19:46.25 | liroux | no go |
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| 19:49.10 | liroux | I only appear to be able to get to the Bootloader: (reset target) stage |
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| 20:00.06 | liroux | this worked FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -b 115200 -f $HOME/gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-moko10.m0 |
| 20:00.20 | liroux | will flash version 11 now |
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| 20:06.24 | liroux | ah, doesn't work... wtf... |
| 20:09.11 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: ROM bootloader always works |
| 20:09.15 | liroux | hmm. mebbe it doesn't work when a sim is in place |
| 20:09.27 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: yes, better to take it out |
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| 20:14.45 | liroux | appears to work only once per boot or something |
| 20:16.27 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: power_on sysfs node is bugged, so yes, it can somehow influence that. |
| 20:16.46 | vininim | I flashed with a sim |
| 20:16.52 | vininim | in |
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| 20:16.59 | PaulFertser_ | vininim: i too |
| 20:17.03 | vininim | ROM bootloader though |
| 20:17.05 | PaulFertser_ | vininim: but to be on the safe side... |
| 20:17.38 | PaulFertser_ | vininim: i see no reason to not use ROM bootloader for every flashing, yes. |
| 20:18.10 | vininim | maybe the wiki should be updated, don't see why the other option is shown first and ROM as a backup |
| 20:18.18 | vininim | *know |
| 20:22.35 | PaulFertser_ | vininim: for historical reasons probably... I think someone need to update the page to state that ROM should always be used and with correct instructions to use only s3c-gpio instead of sysfs (with separate section for GTA01). |
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| 20:45.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r46cbb7d677c7 10/src/ (channel.vala multiplexer.vala): |
| 20:45.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: stop sending data to a virtual channel when the FC bit is set |
| 20:45.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: let's see whether we should |
| 20:45.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: a) not read from the input buffer; waiting for FC to be cleared again |
| 20:45.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: b) read from the input buffer and throw data away |
| 20:45.22 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: c) read from the input buffer and stuff in a dedicated buffer. |
| 20:45.24 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: First try: a) |
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| 20:48.10 | liroux | ok. got the thing to work |
| 20:48.41 | liroux | now, need to wait for the stupid echo to be patched |
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| 20:50.15 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: already patched in MS5 and therefore in SHR unstable |
| 20:50.22 | liroux | ok |
| 20:50.34 | liroux | willl wait for 2009.x to come out |
| 20:50.52 | jcrm | my moko can make and receive calls, and play sodoku. what more could anyone want? |
| 20:51.05 | liroux | would like a kismet port |
| 20:52.54 | liroux | and something similar to that $40 shareware that allows scanning cell power & location |
| 20:52.58 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: it will never come out. Or it will be called like that but will be completely different to 2008.x |
| 20:53.30 | liroux | ah |
| 20:53.33 | jcrm | perhaps email would be nice. |
| 20:53.46 | liroux | you're saying SHR is the future ? |
| 20:53.52 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: btw, FSO's zhone gives all information about nearby cells. CID, power, etc. |
| 20:53.58 | liroux | ok |
| 20:54.32 | liroux | is shr unstable usable ? |
| 20:54.45 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: i don't know the future. SHR is a community project, not sponsored by anybody. |
| 20:54.50 | liroux | ah |
| 20:55.18 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: I think OM sponsors Paroli, but as for now, SHR is much more usable, afaik. |
| 20:57.17 | liroux | I'm looking at http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 20:57.38 | liroux | what's the difference between shr-image and shr-lite-image ? |
| 20:57.51 | liroux | which one is the better choice ? |
| 21:00.33 | PaulFertser_ | liroux: shr-lite has less additional soft. I think shr-image is better :) BTW, you can try it from uSD |
| 21:02.08 | liroux | hmm |
| 21:02.12 | liroux | searches |
| 21:03.30 | torpor | lite will run on the neo1973 (gta01) |
| 21:03.43 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-, everybody: have you tried bluez 4.x? |
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| 21:04.22 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: i don't think so, it's not in debian |
| 21:05.35 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i tried the BT earpiece i borrowed with my FR, but it didn't work (SCO packets were not sent), i heard only ambient noice. That's why i decided to try 4.x on my laptop |
| 21:06.10 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: quite tricky, because API changed a lot, all links that google gives (and even some test programs in sources) are outdated etc. :) |
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| 21:07.04 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: for now i managed to pair my earpiece, but aplay exits immediately after audio initiation... |
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| 21:07.51 | jcrm | does anyone do images that can be dd onto a microSD? |
| 21:08.13 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: no |
| 21:08.31 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: you better simply untar it. |
| 21:08.56 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: but both FSO and SHR can be run from uSD |
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| 21:11.58 | torpor | really its a drag to have to formulate ones own SD image .. it would be nice if someone just made a 'SD builder' app for linux/win/osx that got it all together from the right places .. |
| 21:18.51 | PaulFertser_ | torpor: you don't need to build SD images. SHR already builds a tar.bz2 for you. Just partition the card, make the filesystem and untar it there. |
| 21:19.09 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: got a sound. Looks like the issues described at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.kernel/1491 |
| 21:23.17 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: which headset? |
| 21:23.50 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: IQUA BHS-333. I think that was the cheapest one. |
| 21:23.56 | lindi- | ok |
| 21:25.58 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i can provide you with an hcidump, i think. |
| 21:26.20 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: and i'll try to install bluez 4.x on FR. |
| 21:29.24 | jcrm | whenever I fdisk my card in the ga02 it can't see it any more. |
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| 21:33.57 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: either kernel is bad your your fdisk'ing skills ;) do you have a cardreader? |
| 21:34.23 | jcrm | yes, which is why I want to dd |
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| 21:37.59 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: if you have a cardreader, why don't you fdisk and untar using it? |
| 21:39.26 | SpeedEvil | Because he doesn't have a micromanipulator to open the card reader? |
| 21:39.27 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:42.28 | jcrm | can't wrte ext[23]fs |
| 21:42.57 | SpeedEvil | no linux? |
| 21:43.02 | jcrm | no |
| 21:44.30 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: :p |
| 21:44.53 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: what are you using? DOS? Or MacOS X has no support for ext2? |
| 21:45.02 | jcrm | bsd |
| 21:45.16 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: i thought you can compile bsd with ext2 support. |
| 21:45.23 | jcrm | freebsd 2.1.5 |
| 21:45.30 | PaulFertser_ | Oh |
| 21:45.36 | jcrm | it's what runs on my 486 laptop |
| 21:45.49 | PaulFertser_ | I see. What kernel are you using on your FR? |
| 21:46.07 | jcrm | the one that came with it. it shows a pair of boots when it starts |
| 21:46.32 | PaulFertser_ | jcrm: flash some andy-tracking and probably you will be able to fdisk and whatever your SD card in FR. |
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| 22:34.51 | majkade | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.18 | majkade | why is that |
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| 22:39.05 | PaulFertser_ | lpotter: Hi. :) Can you please clarify why bluetooth audio on GTA01 will never work? |
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| 22:56.53 | baba_melone | hm |
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| 23:50.04 | baba_melone | Hi is there a problem in using just a stereo head phone than a headset |
| 23:50.44 | baba_melone | because I cannot fully plug in the audio-jack, or I just get sound on my right speaker |
| 23:51.38 | baba_melone | in case it is not fully plugged in, i get sound on both speakers |
| 23:51.49 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: what pinout do you use? |
| 23:51.57 | baba_melone | but the last mm mutes the left speaker |
| 23:52.06 | baba_melone | standard i thin |
| 23:52.08 | baba_melone | k |
| 23:52.19 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: tell me the pinout you use and i'll say if it is correct. |
| 23:52.37 | baba_melone | so left at the tip, then right speaker and then mass |
| 23:52.41 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: if you use a correct one, the headset works properly if plugged in fully. |
| 23:53.07 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: but FR uses a 4-ring receptable not directly compatible with 3-ring. |
| 23:53.23 | baba_melone | okay ots called ground, not mass, damn it |
| 23:53.48 | baba_melone | what does not directly compatible mean |
| 23:54.09 | baba_melone | actually it should work, or at least the wikipedia says so |
| 23:55.11 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: if you insert a 3-ring 2.5mm jack of standard headphones in the FR, you'll get left speaker connected to MIC, right speaker to right, and ground of the jack will short ground and left channel of FR. |
| 23:55.15 | baba_melone | because the 3rd ring, the ground, is divided into the aux ring and ground |
| 23:55.47 | baba_melone | PaulFertser: but why |
| 23:56.04 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: because FR receptable has the tip connected to MIC. |
| 23:56.06 | PaulFertser_ | input |
| 23:56.21 | baba_melone | but this isnt the standard pinout, is it? |
| 23:56.21 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: and many cell phones do the same, btw. |
| 23:56.36 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: there's no well-established standard, unfortunately. |
| 23:57.18 | baba_melone | and I cant change the pinout of the freerunner via alsamixer, can I? |
| 23:57.26 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: can't |
| 23:57.36 | baba_melone | shit |
| 23:57.48 | baba_melone | well, then thanks a lot |
| 23:57.57 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: pay like 1 buck for a new jack, what's the problem? |
| 23:58.39 | baba_melone | I live in Germany, where there are no such possibilities like pay a buck and be happy |
| 23:58.42 | baba_melone | no really |
| 23:58.53 | baba_melone | I have to buy another converter |
| 23:59.04 | baba_melone | and then combine it with the one I have now |
| 23:59.22 | baba_melone | the point is im using a 3.5 mm audio jack headphone |
| 23:59.23 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: how come you can't buy a new jack? |
| 23:59.48 | baba_melone | well i can |
| 23:59.55 | PaulFertser_ | baba_melone: ah, then it's even more easier. You can easily find a new 3.5mm receptable. |