| 00:00.09 | docscrutinizer2 | statefiles will vanish completely |
| 00:00.12 | docscrutinizer2 | so no inotify |
| 00:00.46 | PaulFertser_ | Just sent my first attempt at fixing kernel Oopses on sound modules unloading. Yay! :) |
| 00:01.06 | docscrutinizer2 | keeewl man! |
| 00:02.01 | docscrutinizer2 | broonie didn't make it then? |
| 00:02.20 | PaulFertser_ | Probably he never unloads his beloved modules ;) |
| 00:02.30 | docscrutinizer2 | lol |
| 00:03.18 | PaulFertser_ | I haven't even tried to solve the oops on recording, but this unloading excercise was necessary anyway and i got familiar with the soc-sound subsystem. |
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| 00:03.46 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: could you point me tonanother codeline, where ringtone playback device is opened, please? |
| 00:04.08 | mickeyl | that's more complicated |
| 00:04.12 | mickeyl | we are using gstreamer |
| 00:04.19 | mickeyl | with the alsasink |
| 00:04.28 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: in case you need it or missed it: the easy way to understand kernel without grepping: http://rswiki.csie.org/lxr/http/ident |
| 00:04.40 | docscrutinizer2 | nothing wrong with this i think |
| 00:05.08 | docscrutinizer2 | so probably another syscall() |
| 00:05.22 | PaulFertser_ | Ok, gotta sleep now :-/ Good night everybody :) |
| 00:05.23 | mickeyl | much more complicated |
| 00:05.26 | mickeyl | see the same file |
| 00:05.31 | mickeyl | class GStreamerPlayer |
| 00:05.54 | docscrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: n8 & thnx |
| 00:05.56 | mickeyl | line 242 is where the pipeline gets constructed |
| 00:06.09 | mickeyl | might be possible to attach options to the alsasink |
| 00:06.14 | mickeyl | if you want a custom device |
| 00:06.24 | mickeyl | in that case just add options in line 242 |
| 00:06.24 | docscrutinizer2 | ok, will find my way starting there |
| 00:06.44 | docscrutinizer2 | that's what I expected ;) |
| 00:16.20 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: sorry another question ;] Who's handling JACK-INSERT? |
| 00:17.17 | mickeyl | a combination of odeviced, oeventsd and our rules |
| 00:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | errks |
| 00:17.29 | mickeyl | have a look at /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml |
| 00:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 00:17.58 | mickeyl | there you see the rule that connects a trigger (jack inserted) to an action (amixer command) |
| 00:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | ok, probably I'm only interested in the particular action anyway |
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| 00:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: hanks a lot |
| 00:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | Thanks |
| 00:19.20 | mickeyl | np, all the best. it's a daunting task, but very welcome! |
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| 00:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | nah, ALSA itself is daunting, but I was urged to learn a little bit about it the last 2 years. So I feel quite eager to tackle that |
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| 00:22.02 | mickeyl | excellent |
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| 00:40.08 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb03b110b2307 10/src/ (main.vala server.vala): explicitly destruct server object |
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| 01:09.42 | SpeedEvil | what frequency are you intending to broadcast on tty? |
| 01:09.45 | SpeedEvil | err |
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| 01:23.26 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rf23345d38aec 10/src/channel.vala: |
| 01:23.26 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: create pty object once the channel is being requested |
| 01:23.26 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: (actual opening will happen after ACK) |
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| 03:25.57 | slaxxin | latest shr |
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| 04:11.03 | slaxxin | shouldnt shr have sound for the phone? |
| 04:11.39 | slaxxin | it dials an stuff but i cant hear thr ringing in me earp[iece |
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| 04:20.19 | ColdFyre | ..it does.. |
| 04:20.40 | slaxxin | i get no sound |
| 04:21.00 | slaxxin | latest kernel |
| 04:21.22 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.00 | slaxxin | maybe i should back up on the kernel? |
| 04:23.37 | slaxxin | music plays but i cant hear anything |
| 04:24.44 | slaxxin | do u have the r-3 or the r-2 kernel? |
| 04:25.10 | slaxxin | r3 r2 |
| 04:29.18 | kd8ikt | if music plays and you dont hear it is it really playing? |
| 04:29.30 | kd8ikt | stone out on that one for a min |
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| 04:37.29 | slaxxin | no its not |
| 04:37.52 | slaxxin | kd8 u using shr? |
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| 04:51.32 | slaxxin | fyp_213_GTA02.jffs2 |
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| 05:29.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.00 | slaxxin | my sound still wont work this is bad sign |
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| 05:34.23 | slaxxin | debian with fso thats nice |
| 05:35.53 | slaxxin | it set the time an date auto |
| 05:36.32 | slaxxin | fits |
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| 05:51.25 | ColdFyre | bah this happens in shr in that fyp, the icon for txt(msgs) is greyed out all the time |
| 05:51.32 | ColdFyre | shar and fyp* |
| 05:51.36 | ColdFyre | SHR********* |
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| 07:08.34 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
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| 08:24.54 | xivulon | hi, I cannot update opkg because there is no signature on the servers: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig |
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| 08:26.20 | niv | morning guys. |
| 08:27.29 | projektdotnet | morning niv |
| 08:27.51 | projektdotnet | xivulon: what distro? |
| 08:28.21 | xivulon | openmoko testing |
| 08:28.43 | projektdotnet | OM200x.x or FSO? |
| 08:28.44 | xivulon | basically there are no *.sig files on the servers, on any repository as far as I can see |
| 08:28.53 | xivulon | OM200x |
| 08:29.09 | xivulon | is FSO in a usable state by the way? |
| 08:29.10 | projektdotnet | ok if I remember correctly it will error on the sigs but it will not affect the actual update |
| 08:29.33 | projektdotnet | somewhat but not fully, SHR is the best frontend currently but is still not even official beta IIRC |
| 08:30.16 | xivulon | projektdotnet, phx |
| 08:31.09 | projektdotnet | xivulon: phx? |
| 08:31.41 | ColdFyre | every distro except qtopia has some thing where i can't send sms, and qtopia has the dupe sms's |
| 08:31.42 | ColdFyre | grr |
| 08:31.59 | ColdFyre | my FR hates me |
| 08:32.59 | projektdotnet | ColdFyre: what happens when you attempt to send the SMS? |
| 08:33.15 | xivulon | thanks |
| 08:34.04 | projektdotnet | xivulon: you're welcome |
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| 08:38.15 | ColdFyre | projektdotnet: in like shr/fso, the icon is always greyed out |
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| 08:39.35 | projektdotnet | ColdFyre: I've seen mine take upwards of 10 min to show up |
| 08:39.49 | projektdotnet | ColdFyre: I'm using US t-mobile |
| 08:39.53 | ColdFyre | i waited an hour or so :) |
| 08:40.01 | ColdFyre | i'm using us att |
| 08:40.08 | PaulFertser_ | ColdFyre: try the latest shr unstable as of today |
| 08:40.19 | ColdFyre | i did, same result |
| 08:40.26 | ColdFyre | the feb 15 build |
| 08:41.02 | PaulFertser_ | ColdFyre: then show me (or some dev) ogsmd debug log and ophonekitd output |
| 08:42.08 | PaulFertser_ | ColdFyre: as an alternative, try to use Zhone to separate frameworkd problems from ophonekitd. |
| 08:42.09 | ColdFyre | alrighty, won't be tonight though |
| 08:42.21 | projektdotnet | PaulFertser_: Has SHR upgraded to FSO M5 for the framwork? |
| 08:42.39 | PaulFertser_ | projektdotnet: SHR unstable uses FSO HEAD master branch. |
| 08:43.04 | projektdotnet | PaulFertser_: so it is even newer than M5 essentially |
| 08:43.08 | PaulFertser_ | Yes |
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| 08:46.12 | projektdotnet | sweet |
| 08:47.11 | projektdotnet | I saw that the new milestone of FSO actually had a LOT of improvement over M4 so I'm looking forward to seeing a completed framework running the SHR |
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| 08:51.20 | ColdFyre | M7 is world domination |
| 08:51.38 | projektdotnet | ColdFyre: lol! |
| 08:51.57 | ColdFyre | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone7 |
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| 08:53.10 | projektdotnet | ColdFyre: that's hilarious |
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| 08:54.08 | ColdFyre | i'm glad people have a sense of humor :) |
| 08:54.48 | projektdotnet | indeed, I have my start splash as the OM2008 and FSO walk into a bar joke |
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| 09:33.47 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:34.40 | methril | morning |
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| 09:36.32 | JViz` | morning |
| 09:37.07 | JViz` | how hard would it be to make open moko run on an arm 926? |
| 09:39.59 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: and by "open moko" you mean what? |
| 09:40.40 | JViz` | the software |
| 09:40.46 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: which one? ;) |
| 09:40.53 | JViz` | the operating system |
| 09:41.22 | JViz` | it's a linux cross build, right? |
| 09:42.07 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: there is no "open moko" operating system at all. Some distributions for openmoko (hardware) are based on OE, some use Debian. |
| 09:42.55 | [df] | JViz`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 09:43.43 | JViz` | thank you |
| 09:45.59 | JViz` | how much different is the arm 926EJ-S from the 920T? |
| 09:47.42 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: if you have a working kernel for your CPU, then it doesn't matter. |
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| 09:49.08 | JViz` | how do i know whether it will work or not? |
| 09:49.10 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: the main differences are in integrated features, because OM phones use SoC that integrates much more than single arm core. |
| 09:49.32 | JViz` | ah, ok |
| 09:50.28 | PaulFertser_ | JViz`: my guess is that all arm9 cores are supported by mainline Linux. But the particular chip in question can require more work to get interrupts/dma/suspend/whatever you need right. |
| 09:51.31 | JViz` | yay! :) |
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| 10:06.46 | panicking | Hi, |
| 10:06.55 | panicking | I create a new gsmmuxd for android |
| 10:07.04 | panicking | at the end |
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| 10:17.32 | enriko | oi |
| 10:17.35 | enriko | new distro |
| 10:17.48 | enriko | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fyp |
| 10:22.18 | laen | Yet another distro, which is _NOT_ a distro. |
| 10:22.55 | rhkfin | :) |
| 10:23.14 | laen | And when will people realise that pumping out distro's en masse is no solution at all. |
| 10:24.08 | laen | Use an existing, make compatible, improve where possible, and turn it distro agnostic. Oh well. Lost cause. |
| 10:24.44 | niv | *G* |
| 10:25.02 | niv | i will create a distro, too. called "nix" *duck&cover* |
| 10:25.15 | laen | You nix. |
| 10:25.25 | niv | I nix, You Nix... |
| 10:25.35 | laen | Wee-nix |
| 10:25.38 | enriko | i see you all are in a good mood today |
| 10:25.45 | laen | Yush :) |
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| 10:25.56 | niv | They-nix |
| 10:25.57 | niv | mh.. |
| 10:25.58 | enriko | besides there is no distro working so far |
| 10:26.19 | niv | well, that one sounds interesting.. |
| 10:26.29 | laen | So why create 10 new ones that only work for 50%? |
| 10:26.35 | niv | i have debian on an 8 GB shdc and lxde .. |
| 10:26.45 | laen | Why create phy, instead of improving the current Debian one? |
| 10:26.57 | enriko | why not |
| 10:26.58 | enriko | ? |
| 10:27.03 | laen | And how, explain me.. how is putting on a new WM/DM a new distro? |
| 10:27.12 | niv | *G* |
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| 10:27.25 | niv | well, the key feature of that is probably, that it fits on the NAND flash. |
| 10:27.30 | laen | I installed Debian on the openmoko and removed xfce and matchbox and put openbox on it.. should i call that a new distro? |
| 10:27.34 | niv | debian does not. |
| 10:27.49 | enriko | laen, if you package it for users of openmoko |
| 10:28.00 | laen | No what you did was create a slimmer version of debian, it's still debian ffs. |
| 10:28.08 | enriko | besides you don't need to be so cut up on the issue |
| 10:28.19 | laen | Mwah. |
| 10:28.24 | enriko | if no one wants to help you on your distro |
| 10:28.27 | enriko | :D |
| 10:28.43 | enriko | maybe if it worked |
| 10:28.50 | enriko | you would get more interest |
| 10:28.50 | laen | What worked? |
| 10:28.54 | enriko | is joking |
| 10:29.07 | laen | Debian works. And Phy is still Debian. No discussion there. |
| 10:29.15 | enriko | yeah ok |
| 10:29.20 | enriko | have a nice day |
| 10:29.24 | laen | Thank you :) |
| 10:29.41 | niv | this goog mood thing... is it infectious? |
| 10:29.46 | niv | :) |
| 10:29.52 | laen | I dunno i'm in quite a good mood :) |
| 10:30.02 | enriko | farts |
| 10:30.08 | laen | But people calling everything a distro nowadays should get that idea burned down to the ground :P |
| 10:30.33 | enriko | thanks for pointing out that relevant aspect |
| 10:30.41 | laen | You're welcome :) |
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| 10:31.02 | niv | well, you can create a fvwm config and build a few tools around that and call it another window manager.. |
| 10:31.08 | niv | :) |
| 10:31.10 | niv | so what? :) |
| 10:31.13 | laen | It's like not calling my bedroom bedroom anymore cause i painted it another color, and now calling it Xroom, cause it's not a bedroom but still is. |
| 10:31.27 | niv | *G* |
| 10:31.28 | laen | Oo |
| 10:31.28 | enriko | this is really intelligent comments |
| 10:31.30 | laen | :p |
| 10:31.36 | enriko | congratulations |
| 10:31.39 | lindi- | where's the source for fyp? |
| 10:31.52 | Defiant- | Debian pure blend... |
| 10:32.02 | enriko | why calling knoppix knoppix? is debian |
| 10:32.12 | enriko | why ubuntu? isn't it debian? |
| 10:32.20 | laen | Ubuntu isn't debian indeed. |
| 10:32.23 | enriko | and so on |
| 10:32.26 | enriko | yeah right |
| 10:32.30 | enriko | farts |
| 10:32.37 | niv | because klaus knopper modified it and pushed it on a cd :) |
| 10:32.37 | laen | Knoppix is a livecd. |
| 10:32.44 | enriko | hahahah |
| 10:32.51 | laen | And indeed modified heavily. you just got another WM/DM/ |
| 10:32.58 | lindi- | laen: but if they break debian policies enough i don't think it is good to call them debian |
| 10:33.12 | laen | True :) |
| 10:33.16 | lindi- | laen: i don't think debian has ever distributed hard disk images |
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| 10:33.50 | niv | centos is just another modified redhat linux... |
| 10:33.51 | niv | :) |
| 10:33.54 | laen | It's like a talk i went to about NanoBSD. In the end it turned out it was just a shell script installing FreeBSD for ya. |
| 10:33.59 | laen | True :) |
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| 10:34.54 | lindi- | niv: but centos does not distribute images of somebody's system either :) |
| 10:35.11 | niv | hehe, true. |
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| 10:36.35 | niv | mh.. so you could call it another distro, if maintenance is different? |
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| 10:39.29 | laen | Niche! |
| 10:39.32 | catsup | debian used to (still does?) distribute rootfs tarballs |
| 10:39.42 | lindi- | catsup: nope, that was some user |
| 10:39.54 | catsup | base.tar or something |
| 10:41.09 | catsup | dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/base2_2.tgz <-- at some point |
| 10:45.37 | lindi- | catsup: found it. http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/base2_2.tgz |
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| 10:49.41 | lindi- | catsup: i think one important difference is though that it is a minimal image for those that can't run the installer. isn't phy shipping with installed userland apps? |
| 10:50.09 | laen | fyp |
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| 10:51.28 | laen | I'd call it a metadistribution. |
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| 10:52.37 | laen | But still simply a few patches and preinstalled software with some configfile settings. |
| 10:52.51 | laen | And then you're running Debian :) |
| 10:55.47 | niv | i wonder how much space on the NAND flash is left for additional software then. |
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| 10:57.00 | niv | anyway, i appreciate that you chose lxde for that... good choice imho |
| 10:58.02 | laen | Oh the guy left the channel in anger :P |
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| 11:02.20 | laen | But well, the whole idea about my rant here was that this is the problem of openmoko and why it simply doesn't succeed. There still is no real working distro.. well there's FSO, and there's Debian, those two are the big players. But instead of people putting their effort into improving those two, they just make one "distro" after another. It's simply getting worse and worse. |
| 11:03.01 | PaulFertser_ | laen: FSO is just an OE image, Debian is debian integrating FSO. I can't see what's wrong there. |
| 11:03.15 | lindi- | laen: well, fyp should just publish the script that is used to create the image they distribute |
| 11:03.20 | PaulFertser_ | laen: soon SHR will be built from the same OE image as FSO too. |
| 11:03.53 | laen | PaulFertser_: yeah SHR is an extension of FSO indeed. |
| 11:04.01 | laen | lindi-: i agree :) |
| 11:04.03 | PaulFertser_ | laen: paroli are integrated in FSO too. |
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| 11:05.01 | PaulFertser_ | laen: the only real "other" distros are Hackable:1 (Debian with other telephony stack) and PyNeo (OE with other telephony stack). |
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| 11:05.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: but why have separate distro for different telephone stack? |
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| 11:06.18 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i think Hackable doesn't really have a separate distro, just custom apt sources. I don't know for sure about that one. |
| 11:06.20 | niv | well, maintenance is diffierent :) |
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| 11:06.29 | niv | different even. |
| 11:06.36 | laen | I agree with you PaulFertser_. lindi-: no idea, but hackable:1 isn't free either right? |
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| 11:07.10 | lindi- | laen: i think they have improved a lot although their packages afaik still don't meet debian policy |
| 11:07.24 | laen | lindi-: i think you, and i too, just would love to see effort bundled to create something open.. other people just want fame and phatz it seems from an open device. |
| 11:07.32 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: as to pyneo -- i don't know how close to upstream OE they are, i bet pretty close and can switch easily. I tried it on Debian without any significiant distro issues. |
| 11:07.55 | laen | pyneo is the whole python thing right? |
| 11:08.16 | laen | certainly sounded interesting, never really looked deep into it or tried. |
| 11:08.18 | PaulFertser_ | laen: yes, FSO is like pyneo. |
| 11:08.57 | PaulFertser_ | laen: pyneo is middleware, framework. Some apps use it, i.e. epydial. |
| 11:09.06 | laen | Aaah. |
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| 11:09.36 | lindi- | laen: 'deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main' |
| 11:09.46 | lindi- | laen: is the sources.list of the fyp image |
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| 11:11.50 | Defiant- | sounds familar |
| 11:12.05 | laen | lindi-: obvious :P |
| 11:12.14 | laen | lindi-: so, thats debian. =) |
| 11:14.14 | lindi- | laen: now the question is, how is the zhone theme modified? |
| 11:15.38 | lindi- | is trying to extra some personal info from the file image :P |
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| 11:18.07 | laen | lindi-: oh that shouldn't be hard, the background is simply a png image afaik |
| 11:18.33 | laen | and the bar he uses is openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 11:18.37 | lindi- | laen: yes but have they modified /usr outside package management? |
| 11:18.55 | laen | lindi-: i dare to put money into it that he didn't. |
| 11:19.14 | laen | I mean, that on an update i bet you get the default theme again. |
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| 11:20.44 | rhkfin | laen: lindi- what's your point? It's debian, okay, you don't like that someone calls it a distribution, okay, then what? |
| 11:21.18 | lindi- | rhkfin: my point is that they should provide the script that was used to create the image |
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| 11:22.11 | rhkfin | lindi-: ok |
| 11:24.14 | lindi- | laen might have other points :) |
| 11:25.37 | lindi- | laen: they seem to have .bash_history there |
| 11:25.53 | lindi- | laen: nano /usr/share/python-support/fso-frameworkd/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py |
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| 11:32.20 | laen | rhkfin: same as what lindi- said, besides that it simply isn't a distro, they should just give back to the community/debian/the FSO team instead. |
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| 14:53.39 | ernst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jbvNj5EphA |
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| 14:57.15 | j0l3s | http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_144398.asp |
| 14:57.20 | j0l3s | http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_144398.asp |
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| 15:01.11 | rhkfin | plz tell what's behind the link.. People with mobile devices / not broadband might not want to open every link you post here.. |
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| 15:09.28 | th0br0 | I'll open it for you, rhkfin |
| 15:09.50 | th0br0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.14 | th0br0 | sth about firearms becoming illegal in the usa when the owner doesn't meet requirements or so |
| 15:10.18 | rhkfin | Sounds like Openmoko indeed :) |
| 15:10.24 | th0br0 | :D |
| 15:11.04 | rhkfin | You need to meet some requirements to be allowed to own Freerunner.. |
| 15:11.24 | th0br0 | ;) |
| 15:11.56 | slaxxin | tried the debian fyp last night |
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| 15:12.06 | slaxxin | had no sound |
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| 15:12.25 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.21 | slaxxin | put 2008.12 back on with mwesters lastest kernel sound works |
| 15:14.10 | slaxxin | whats up with that? |
| 15:15.16 | rhkfin | 2008.12 >> fyp & shr :) |
| 15:15.25 | rhkfin | (no, that's not what I think..) |
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| 15:19.26 | slaxxin | Tegra 600 |
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| 15:20.06 | slaxxin | at present ,, thats what i think |
| 15:20.43 | slaxxin | the bytestore image is very good |
| 15:21.17 | slaxxin | Tegra's APX 2600 chip |
| 15:22.01 | slaxxin | http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090216/tc_pcworld/googlenvidiabringingandroidtotegrachips |
| 15:23.06 | Wonka | omg. could someone please tell the agencies that A is not Open? |
| 15:24.16 | slaxxin | but that chip is --correct? |
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| 15:26.15 | Wonka | dunno |
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| 15:26.40 | slaxxin | might be in enough mass to get the price down low enough for openmoko to purchase them cheap |
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| 15:33.39 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 15:37.33 | sandsmark | yo |
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| 16:29.35 | tig| | hmm, is anyone running the latest SHR images? mine is now coming up with no sim card present, I have tried reseating and cleaning the sim with no joy |
| 16:33.05 | mac2k | tig|: be a little more precice which image image you mean? latest lite unstable from today? |
| 16:33.17 | tig| | unstable full from today |
| 16:33.45 | tig| | with latest kernel from today |
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| 16:35.32 | mac2k | the last full unstable is from 09-Feb-2009, i'm running the lite version of that with no problems |
| 16:37.29 | Zorkman | hmm i had that problem als once with the shr unstable from 09-02 tig| |
| 16:37.42 | Zorkman | but only after i installed like 50 things and rebooted |
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| 16:37.54 | Zorkman | i reflashed and since then it always works |
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| 16:41.55 | tig| | Zorkman: hmm I will reflash again then :) as I using the 9th Feb one |
| 16:42.03 | loqez | what is openmoko? |
| 16:42.09 | tig| | will try the light one |
| 16:42.34 | tig| | loqez: hope, dreams, pain and suffering |
| 16:42.39 | Zorkman | loqez: openmoko.org ; openmoko.com |
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| 16:43.02 | tig| | and a buzzing noise on phonecalls :P |
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| 16:46.32 | Dave | :o |
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| 16:47.19 | tig| | ello Dave |
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| 16:49.30 | loqez | thanks |
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| 18:25.12 | johnsu01 | so, in illume on debian, only the first few characters of the program name are displayed under the launcher icon, followed by a ... |
| 18:25.24 | johnsu01 | e17/illume as built from svn I should say |
| 18:25.42 | johnsu01 | but I've noticed on shr that the full name is displayed, sometimes taking two lines |
| 18:25.50 | johnsu01 | any ideas where to fix that in the theme or e17 settings? |
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| 19:27.21 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/2520711/ |
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| 19:31.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r0f64979a11d6 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): release as 0.2.0 |
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| 20:14.54 | PloenK | HI |
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| 20:15.20 | PloenK | Ho can I avoid the display to be dimmed in FSO M5? |
| 20:15.58 | PloenK | the idledim param in frameworkd.conf does not show any impact |
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| 20:54.41 | mickey|dinner | balrog-kun: ping |
| 20:56.46 | Dave | what's for dinner? |
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| 21:07.46 | herby | hi, is it possible to use the iptables command as mentioned in the wiki (usb networking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables ) to forward packages to another subnet (router ip is 192.168.1.1) ? |
| 21:08.37 | DieMumiee | sure |
| 21:09.24 | DieMumiee | it should be sufficient to just modify the --to-destination |
| 21:09.55 | herby | oh okay... I'm not so into iptables.. long time since I last used it.. |
| 21:09.58 | herby | thanks |
| 21:11.55 | herby | there is no message (meaning also no error msg) when i insert the iptables command and the given options.. (as root) but when I show the iptables rules (with iptables -L)... there are none! what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:15.42 | balrog-kun | pong mickey|dinner |
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| 21:21.11 | herby | any suggestions? I really have no clue ... and the Wiki doesnt help me atm.. (I would be happy for any links or hints on how to get the usb connection forwarded to eth2 which is my internet connection) |
| 21:23.32 | PaulFertser_ | herby: you should specify table for -L operation. Probably you inserted to nat, then you need to use -t nat |
| 21:24.52 | spaetz | herby, search "linux howto masquerade" the linux docs have a nice script to set up forwarding |
| 21:25.15 | herby | PaulFertser_: thanks - didnt knew that, I inserted into nat as described in the wiki usb network howto for iptables proxy things. |
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| 21:25.31 | herby | PaulFertser_: okay... will do so. |
| 21:25.58 | spaetz | the script in http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES does a very nice job |
| 21:26.27 | PaulFertser_ | spaetz: i though one iptables command is usually enough, why use script? ;) |
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| 21:26.36 | herby | thanks a lot, somehow the command "iptables -L nat doesnt show any rules.. |
| 21:26.57 | spaetz | PaulFertser_: it removes the need to remember that one iptable command :) |
| 21:27.04 | spaetz | plus set upforwarding to 1 |
| 21:27.08 | lindi- | herby: -t nat |
| 21:27.38 | herby | lindi-: okay. thanks. I thought the -L would be needed to list things. |
| 21:27.38 | spaetz | ipforwarding |
| 21:27.54 | herby | spaetz: already did so. |
| 21:27.55 | PaulFertser_ | spaetz: one my friend used to start mplayer every time from command line with a tricky audio routing matrix to get his channel arrangements right. :)f |
| 21:28.14 | spaetz | hehe |
| 21:28.19 | lindi- | herby: L lists only one table |
| 21:28.26 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: can you suggest the runlevel to use for debugging without X but with dropbear? |
| 21:28.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: do not use runevel for that |
| 21:29.26 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: hm, but i want to restart like 100 times during this process, every new try requires restart ;) |
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| 21:30.20 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: hmm. |
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| 21:31.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: use custom initramfs? no fsck trouble, easy to ship to others, fast |
| 21:32.20 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: hm, i just want to start my phone without X to further debug module loading/unloading, why do you want me to do it the hard way? ;) |
| 21:33.30 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: i do not think i know enough about your goals here |
| 21:34.36 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i do something on FR, it Oopses, i compile new kernel module version on PC, scp it to FR, reboot FR, until it fixed :) |
| 21:41.07 | johnsu01 | hm, so what am I doing wrong here -- I register to handle the incoming sms signal, and I get Matching rule "type='signal',interface='org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS',member='IncomingMessage'" back from d-bus |
| 21:41.21 | johnsu01 | but then no action when a message comes in |
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| 21:45.25 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: my guess is that it is stored on SIM and signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.IncomingStoredMessage emitted instead |
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| 21:46.00 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: ugh, I bet you're right |
| 21:46.22 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: as the message is stored on the sim |
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| 21:48.12 | Linux_Galore | [sarcasm] oh look Samsung have updated the openmoko http://www.blogcdn.com/es.engadget.com/media/2009/02/portadbeatdj.jpg [/sarcasm] |
| 21:48.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: ok but in that case you surely don't want to torture your fs, right? |
| 21:48.54 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: in some cases yes, but this case puts no stress on it. |
| 21:48.56 | slaxxin | buttons |
| 21:50.00 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: do you think it's ok that i'm debugging loading/unloading issues instead of recording ones? ;) I think proper loading/unloading should be done anyway. |
| 21:51.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: yeah it will probably help in development |
| 21:54.40 | cga | hi alll |
| 21:55.11 | cga | anyone running qtextended 4.4.2 w/ mewster kernel as of qtextended download page??? |
| 21:55.39 | lindi- | cga: nope but tell us the trouble |
| 21:56.19 | cga | hey lindi- =) no troubles (yet?). just wanted a feedback since i'm about to flash =) |
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| 21:56.45 | PaulFertser_ | cga: qtopia is for sissies |
| 21:56.49 | PaulFertser_ | ;) |
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| 21:58.08 | cga | PaulFertser_: yes i know but 2008.9 isn't good enough and i don't have time to spend on it. i'm not sure about fso and shr. i'm not really updated on their status but i need a working phone XD |
| 21:59.39 | PaulFertser_ | cga: if you need a working phone, you better borrow one from a friend. OM2008.x is not and will not be supported, Qtopia is supposedly stagnating, i can't say for sure, because of now feedback from the devs. FSO and SHR are actively developed and maintained and you can even get an interactive debugging session with the devs or IRC. Choose your destiny! |
| 22:00.07 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: "Qtopia" is stagnating, because Qt 4.5 isn't out yet :p |
| 22:00.31 | sandsmark | it's supposed to be out this quarter, and then you'll see a new qt extended image for the openmoko |
| 22:00.33 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: because it a closed development model of "open source" software. Therefore it sucks. |
| 22:00.40 | sandsmark | ? |
| 22:00.46 | sandsmark | public git repos isn't public enough for you? |
| 22:01.10 | sandsmark | and I must say the code that models provides is way better than the alternatives :P |
| 22:01.41 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: ha, public development doesn't only mean public repos. In fact, lpotter confirmed that Qtopia is essentially forked for every customer. And you know how "good" are forks for any free software project. |
| 22:01.56 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: I think you misunderstood it |
| 22:02.10 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: i believe i didn't |
| 22:02.14 | sandsmark | and forks are very good for free software |
| 22:02.21 | sandsmark | for example x.org |
| 22:02.37 | sandsmark | xfree86 was ~dead, until it was forked off |
| 22:02.57 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: if you have one project, 10 proprietary forks and 1 free software fork of it, then it's bad. |
| 22:03.05 | PaulFertser_ | It just can't work |
| 22:03.07 | sandsmark | and I don't see how the "forking" is related to the openness |
| 22:03.22 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: all the other forks (except Opie) are proprietary. |
| 22:03.31 | sandsmark | and so? |
| 22:03.43 | sandsmark | the code it provides is still the superior one |
| 22:04.00 | sandsmark | tbh, the freerunner is pretty much unusable as a phone without qt extended |
| 22:04.24 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: and when you finally fix a bug in the free fork and send it upstream to Nokia (mind that, you must use BSD for that), they'll most probably reject it because it doesn't suit other forks. |
| 22:04.27 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: hm, still no love listening to that signal |
| 22:04.45 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: start mdbus -s to listen to all the signals then ;) |
| 22:04.52 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: so? |
| 22:04.56 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: or read the specs or the Zhone source. |
| 22:05.07 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: So qtopia sucks. |
| 22:05.08 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: yeah, I looked at the zhone soruce.. |
| 22:05.13 | sandsmark | I really don't see how any of your arguments supports your position |
| 22:05.17 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: sorry, don't have the time to discuss that all over again. |
| 22:05.19 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: and the specs are what led me to IncomingMessage :) |
| 22:05.21 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: because you write sucky patches? |
| 22:05.23 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: you know i'm right;) |
| 22:05.27 | sandsmark | I really don't |
| 22:05.30 | sandsmark | you don't make any sense |
| 22:05.44 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: you can't write a decent patch that will suit all propietary forks you have never ever seen. |
| 22:05.52 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: why not? |
| 22:06.06 | sandsmark | do you know *anything* about the structure of qt? |
| 22:06.32 | sandsmark | compartmentalization ftw |
| 22:06.44 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: ask Holger from OM who did plenty of those. Find his rants on community mailing list. Do _yourself_ write a patch. Ask OPIE folks why did they fork Qtopia. |
| 22:07.05 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: I'm asking you why you say qtopia sucks |
| 22:07.50 | sandsmark | you're just spouting uninformed fud |
| 22:08.21 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: because it's not developed in a free community-involved way essentially. And lacks manpower to be stable for OM. And doesn't use X that's not cool because there's plenty of programs for X not easily portable. And so on. |
| 22:08.31 | sandsmark | X sucks |
| 22:08.38 | sandsmark | it isn't suited for embedded devices at all |
| 22:08.42 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: that's fud |
| 22:09.05 | sandsmark | the protocol is hardly suitable for workstations, much less memory and cpu constrained embedded devices |
| 22:09.14 | sandsmark | PaulFertser_: it's not fud, just look at the current OpenMoko distro... |
| 22:09.27 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: ok, i really don't have time. You can think whatever you want. Write some patches to Qtopia or smth. I don't care. |
| 22:09.46 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: there's no "current OM distro". It doesn't exist. |
| 22:10.01 | sandsmark | whatever is supplied for download on the wiki |
| 22:10.46 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: We all know it doesn't exist. Why point to wiki? Wiki is wrong then. Or inaccurate. |
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| 22:11.06 | sandsmark | well, so qtopia is the only alternative? |
| 22:11.10 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: to what? |
| 22:11.26 | sandsmark | the only distribution that's supported on the freerunner |
| 22:12.25 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: no, as i said earlier qtopia is supported mostly by one developer: Lorn Potter. Debian on FR is supported by a dedicated team. The same with FSO/SHR. |
| 22:12.50 | niv | g'evning, ppl |
| 22:13.09 | sandsmark | I didn't see the freerunner in the lenny release notes |
| 22:13.24 | niv | i saw something about arm arch... |
| 22:13.28 | niv | in lenny release notes. |
| 22:13.35 | PaulFertser_ | sandsmark: go write some qtopia patches, i'm out, sorry. |
| 22:13.36 | niv | but no freerunner either |
| 22:13.42 | sandsmark | freerunner != arm |
| 22:13.56 | sandsmark | and you said that the qtopia team was too small to support the freerunner, how large is the debian team? |
| 22:13.57 | niv | mh... ok, you are right :) |
| 22:14.06 | sandsmark | niv: it's a tiny bit more involved :P |
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| 22:14.56 | niv | *G* |
| 22:15.18 | niv | in fact, i have no idea yet |
| 22:16.32 | sandsmark | well, I started on my own distribution for it, but the bitbake-based build route is a tiny bit hairy |
| 22:16.46 | sandsmark | so I'm basing it on firmware-linux instead |
| 22:17.38 | niv | i am going to build me a debian toolchain and port my favorite apps on freerunner.. |
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| 22:18.12 | niv | there are a few left, which are the wrong version or not at all ported. |
| 22:19.28 | niv | and perhaps i can modify a few apps, that they don't access the sim card inside but the filesystem on the sd-card e.g. |
| 22:20.29 | niv | thats all about my current tasks on the todo-list.. |
| 22:20.30 | niv | :) |
| 22:21.10 | lindi- | niv: aren't they already ported? ;) |
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| 22:21.50 | niv | lindi-: i would like to have awesome 3.1 on freerunner e.g. |
| 22:21.58 | niv | current version is 2.3 |
| 22:22.36 | niv | or a phone app, which accesses sim card and filesystem. |
| 22:23.04 | niv | all other apps i found before are just fine :) |
| 22:23.30 | niv | and the little thing about gprs and my sd card .. |
| 22:24.27 | niv | that would be all for i can think of now :) |
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| 22:36.42 | lindi- | niv: debian has awesome 3.2~rc1 |
| 22:36.56 | niv | oh... |
| 22:37.06 | niv | then i was just blind to see. |
| 22:37.10 | lindi- | niv: it's in experimental |
| 22:37.14 | niv | mh.. |
| 22:37.15 | niv | ok. |
| 22:37.25 | lindi- | niv: test it and it'll migrate to unstable :) |
| 22:37.32 | niv | :) |
| 22:37.34 | niv | will do |
| 22:38.20 | niv | does it compile for freerunner then? |
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| 22:40.47 | lindi- | niv: of course |
| 22:40.59 | lindi- | niv: 'apt-get --build source awesome' |
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| 22:42.08 | niv | i haven't been building debian packages for long :) |
| 22:42.21 | niv | and especially not for freerunner yet :) |
| 22:43.37 | lindi- | niv: they are just normal armel packages, nothing freerunner specific |
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| 22:44.18 | niv | ok |
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| 22:45.01 | niv | that was the fascinating thing in bitbaker... "just try to compile it..." and it worked. |
| 22:45.54 | lindi- | niv: heh :) |
| 22:46.22 | niv | "Thats it?" "yes, you are done now..." |
| 22:46.29 | niv | "cool" |
| 22:47.13 | lindi- | orzo: hi, i added ~/.kapula/log.txt support with --logfie |
| 22:47.14 | lindi- | orzo: hi, i added ~/.kapula/log.txt support with --logfile |
| 22:48.26 | orzo | oh cool |
| 22:48.26 | niv | the next thing was "how to get in into the chain to copy it into the image?" |
| 22:48.26 | lindi- | orzo: i'm still thinking about the "requesting GSM" issue |
| 22:48.28 | lindi- | orzo: and general usability too. maybe it should be possible to answer call with AUX button? |
| 22:48.28 | orzo | oh yes |
| 22:48.28 | orzo | i've had the same idea |
| 22:48.28 | orzo | that'd be appreciated |
| 22:48.28 | lindi- | orzo: it sametimes takes a while to find the kapula window (i have multiple workspaces) |
| 22:48.35 | lindi- | s/same/some/ |
| 22:48.41 | orzo | i use matchbox and select kapula from a dropdown off the title bar |
| 22:48.59 | lindi- | orzo: popup window is also an option |
| 22:49.05 | lindi- | orzo: how would you like that? |
| 22:49.26 | orzo | oh, do you mean bringing kapula to front when theres a call? |
| 22:49.48 | lindi- | orzo: or opening a separate popup dialog |
| 22:50.03 | orzo | i'd rather it just came to front |
| 22:50.08 | lindi- | orzo: (bringing it to front does not work with multiple workspaces) |
| 22:50.25 | orzo | well it'd work for me |
| 22:50.26 | orzo | heh |
| 22:50.28 | lindi- | or is there some way to have an app jump from workspace N to workspace M? |
| 22:50.53 | orzo | what wm do you use, lindi? |
| 22:50.58 | lindi- | orzo: icewm |
| 22:51.37 | lindi- | orzo: anyways, bringing it to front can be an option |
| 22:51.45 | lindi- | any idea how to do that? |
| 22:52.03 | orzo | i imagine its some sort of wmhint |
| 22:52.37 | lindi- | orzo: can you think of an existing app that does it? preferably pygtk app |
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| 22:53.47 | simoo | hi could someone help me get an internet connection on FSO, via usb? |
| 22:54.33 | simoo | I can ssh from my desktop which has internet access and I put the dns servers in resolv.conf but no luck |
| 22:55.50 | orzo | lindi-: maybe setting URGENT would be appropriate |
| 22:56.00 | orzo | that would make it blink in the taskbar in gnome i think |
| 22:58.33 | simoo | Hi, I can not ping the outside world on my freerunner - connected to my desktop via usb can anyone help? |
| 22:59.15 | cjb | route add default gw <desktop_ip> |
| 22:59.59 | orzo | i'm thinking matchbox would automatically raise a window that sets the urgency bit |
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| 23:01.00 | simoo | cjb: thanks route: SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 23:01.53 | lindi- | orzo: self.window.set_keep_above(True) seems to work here |
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| 23:02.26 | orzo | http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2550738 |
| 23:02.38 | orzo | "If a Client wants to activate another window, it MUST send a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW client message to the root window" |
| 23:03.32 | lindi- | orzo: can you test if the patch works with matchbox-window-manager too? (just pushed it to darcs) |
| 23:03.44 | orzo | oh |
| 23:04.10 | orzo | ok |
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| 23:07.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r5b34446c46ef 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: |
| 23:07.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: do NOT call exit in lose() |
| 23:07.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 23:07.53 | herby | simoo: dont you need some iptables rules for that on your box? or at least a route from usb0 to internetDevice on your box? |
| 23:08.37 | herby | simoo: I havent done it yet, still stuck on the way to get internet to my FR.. :-/ |
| 23:08.44 | simoo | herby: maybe I do, I need a bit of help, I just followed the simple guide on the wiki |
| 23:08.52 | orzo | ok |
| 23:08.56 | orzo | i ran it with no options |
| 23:08.58 | herby | simoo: did it a couple of times... :) |
| 23:08.59 | orzo | hope thats sufficient |
| 23:09.06 | herby | hat no luck untill now... |
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| 23:09.34 | herby | simoo: do you have usb0 and your Inet connection as the same subnet? |
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| 23:09.46 | simoo | herby: no |
| 23:09.48 | herby | simoo: both 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 23:09.59 | herby | simoo: okay... thats how i got it too... |
| 23:10.15 | simoo | desktop 192.168.50.30 router 192.168.50.1 |
| 23:10.30 | herby | simoo: got 192.168.0.202 for the FR and got 192.168.1.1 as internetRouter... :-/ |
| 23:10.33 | lindi- | orzo: no no, you need --raise-window option :) |
| 23:10.47 | simoo | I can ping the desktop from the freerunner |
| 23:10.53 | orzo | oh |
| 23:11.00 | orzo | well that explains why my test didnt work just now |
| 23:11.06 | simoo | but not my router, so im guessing that's the problem |
| 23:11.17 | lindi- | orzo: and yes, i am trying to remove number of options :) |
| 23:12.21 | herby | simoo: yes - nice ... I can do that too.. but the problem is that you need iptables to mask your freerunner and to forward the traffic to your router... and when you get replys from your router iptables need to send it back to the freerunner.... so far in theory. |
| 23:12.46 | orzo | lindi-: --raise-window had no effect on matchbox |
| 23:12.52 | herby | simoo: :-/ as I said. I got no net on my FR.... cause I just dont get the freaky iptables rules... :-( |
| 23:13.00 | lindi- | orzo: ok, thanks for the info |
| 23:13.59 | simoo | herby: hmmm... I'm sure i had it working before just using the simple method... |
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| 23:15.18 | simoo | does anyone know the iptables rules for giving the freerunner internet access from the usb? |
| 23:15.19 | orzo | i think _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW is the way to go |
| 23:15.26 | lindi- | orzo: so maybe a popup window should be used. it would work with multiple workspaces and it would work with matchbox |
| 23:16.35 | herby | simoo: I guess if you use the simple way ... and it works you have to have Freerunner and InternetRouter in the same subnet... then it would be possible to just add a route for that... I guess.... (in my theory that should be possible :) ) |
| 23:16.54 | herby | simoo: so... I will get me a new IP ... :) |
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| 23:17.26 | lindi- | orzo: any idea how to set that from pygtk? |
| 23:17.33 | simoo | herby: I have a feeling that the freerunner needs to be in a different subnet to work |
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| 23:19.49 | catsup | haha |
| 23:20.04 | orzo | http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwindow.html#method-gtkwindow--present |
| 23:20.08 | catsup | simoo: you can use a host route |
| 23:20.20 | orzo | try the present() method, lindi |
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| 23:20.51 | simoo | catsup: thanks, how do I do that? |
| 23:21.04 | lindi- | orzo: you have matchbox-wm, can you try? ;) |
| 23:21.34 | lindi- | i'll try if it moves it to another desktop |
| 23:21.39 | catsup | route add -host host-ip dev tap0 <-- tap0 = virtual ethernet device |
| 23:21.43 | orzo | yes, im trying now |
| 23:21.49 | orzo | gota wait for it to get on network |
| 23:21.55 | catsup | (maybe it's not called tap0) |
| 23:22.09 | catsup | although you should use different subnets on different actual nets |
| 23:22.21 | catsup | i guess |
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| 23:22.55 | lindi- | orzo: works! it switched me to the right desktop |
| 23:22.57 | orzo | lindi-: worked beautifully |
| 23:23.17 | simoo | catsup: i just get the error 'route: SIOCADDRT: No such device' |
| 23:23.35 | lindi- | orzo: maybe this could be made a default option even |
| 23:23.43 | orzo | suits me |
| 23:24.00 | orzo | --request-gsm-on-startup also suits me as default |
| 23:24.05 | lindi- | i'll add a "--no-" option if it starts to annoy me :) |
| 23:24.18 | catsup | i guess it's not tap0? |
| 23:24.24 | lindi- | orzo: yeah true |
| 23:24.38 | lindi- | orzo: it could be --no-request-gsm-on-startup :) |
| 23:24.49 | orzo | ya |
| 23:24.56 | simoo | is there nothing on the wiki that will explain how I can connect my freerunner to the internet via the USB? |
| 23:25.09 | catsup | you are just doing standard networking at this point simoo |
| 23:25.19 | orzo | i use the echo-workaround too |
| 23:25.31 | catsup | i can show you the configuration i use to do ip masq on a virtual ethernet device |
| 23:25.38 | simoo | catsup: ok, thanks |
| 23:25.59 | catsup | i use a dhcp server on there to assign the ip |
| 23:26.08 | orzo | now add that alt button answer feature |
| 23:26.14 | orzo | hangup would be alright too |
| 23:26.22 | orzo | its not like its easy to pres that on accident |
| 23:26.23 | orzo | heh |
| 23:26.48 | lindi- | orzo: added two patches (present() and --no-request-gsm-on-startpu) |
| 23:27.40 | lindi- | orzo: AUX button is bit tricky. people might want to be able to use it with other programs |
| 23:28.00 | lindi- | orzo: preferable it should work like this: if AUX is pressed while ringtone is playing only kapula sees AUX |
| 23:28.11 | lindi- | orzo: if AUX is pressed at any other time then other applications can receive it too |
| 23:28.28 | catsup | simoo: http://jerkface.net/software/interfaces.txt <-- my debian /etc/network/interfaces (the dhcp server listens on 192.168.2.1) |
| 23:28.56 | lindi- | orzo: maybe with present() kapula could be the focused() application that gets the AUX key as an X event? |
| 23:29.18 | simoo | catsup: thanks a lot :) |
| 23:29.21 | orzo | yeah it would be i think |
| 23:29.44 | catsup | simoo: you probably need to change 'tap0' |
| 23:29.45 | orzo | assuming x is configured to know about that interface |
| 23:29.50 | catsup | at least |
| 23:29.52 | lindi- | orzo: i think it always is |
| 23:30.04 | simoo | catsup: ok |
| 23:30.06 | lindi- | orzo: just try with xev |
| 23:30.16 | orzo | i have a fake usb keyboard always plugged in to my x |
| 23:30.21 | orzo | using uinput |
| 23:30.24 | herby | simoo: do you really understand that ?! (...I dont...) |
| 23:30.36 | lindi- | orzo: anyways, i'm off to sleep now. need to think about this tomorrow. thanks a lot for your testing and feedback |
| 23:30.36 | orzo | ok ill try xev |
| 23:31.11 | orzo | xev indicates nothing on AUX |
| 23:31.12 | orzo | heh |
| 23:31.18 | orzo | my x isnt configured to know about it |
| 23:31.35 | orzo | i could probably rectify that though |
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| 23:31.49 | simoo | herby: no not yet but i intend to use it as a reference when I set aside time to work out how to do it properly, for now I am just suing scp to copy the files i need to my freerunner |
| 23:32.50 | orzo | lindi-: its no trouble, thanks for making kapula |
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| 23:34.07 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: for me xev indicates AUX presses |
| 23:34.16 | orzo | ya |
| 23:34.25 | orzo | we have a different setup more than likely |
| 23:34.33 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: one know reason for that to not work is to have X running on the same VT as a console |
| 23:34.52 | herby | simoo: well... I still think the best way is a working iptables script (or ruleset) with nat or dnat or however... because you still got a router... and your box need to route the packages to the router... if you only forward it (no masquerading) you need to configure your router to route other ips back to your box... |
| 23:34.59 | orzo | i have a gta01 runing fbdev xorg with a xorg.conf i wrote from nothing supporting my bluetooth keyboard |
| 23:35.19 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: which vt your X is running on? |
| 23:35.33 | orzo | vg1 |
| 23:35.34 | orzo | er |
| 23:35.37 | orzo | vt1 |
| 23:35.55 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: change that to i.e. vt4 and AUX will work |
| 23:37.19 | orzo | k, starting x |
| 23:37.58 | orzo | PaulFertser_: no difference at all |
| 23:38.09 | simoo | really simple question but i'm flashing my GSM so I don't want to screw up... do backslashes in a command just break up the line? |
| 23:38.21 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: have you checked ps ax output? Probably your setting had no effect. |
| 23:38.29 | PaulFertser_ | simoo: yes |
| 23:38.40 | orzo | uh |
| 23:38.44 | PaulFertser_ | simoo: means that it's one continious line |
| 23:38.47 | simoo | PaulFertser: cheers |
| 23:38.49 | orzo | i stopped X altogether |
| 23:39.12 | orzo | and then changed my script that runs startx to pass vt4 instead of vt1 |
| 23:39.17 | PaulFertser_ | simoo: what version are you going to flash btw? |
| 23:39.33 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: ps ax will tell for sure ;) |
| 23:39.47 | orzo | tell me what? |
| 23:40.17 | orzo | pid of X ? |
| 23:40.34 | orzo | oh |
| 23:40.39 | orzo | it shows the options and "vt4" appears |
| 23:40.43 | orzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.54 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: make sure that your xev instance is focused |
| 23:41.37 | orzo | well |
| 23:41.46 | orzo | i'm clicking it |
| 23:42.00 | orzo | i'd think that'd be enough to focus it |
| 23:42.35 | orzo | it's pretty clear |
| 23:42.38 | orzo | AUX is not gona work |
| 23:42.42 | orzo | without chainging my xorg.conf |
| 23:43.07 | orzo | which is probably trivial |
| 23:43.12 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: I hope so... What can i say is that i never see AUX presses with xev when started on vt1 and i always see that when started on vt4. Probably your config is at fault then. |
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| 23:43.31 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: because those buttons are a regular keyboard device to the userspace. |
| 23:43.54 | orzo | maybe so, but i have my xorg knowing about a different configured keyboard |
| 23:44.04 | orzo | and i never mentioned the one that aux is part of |
| 23:44.44 | orzo | probably need to add an entry |
| 23:44.47 | PaulFertser_ | Yes |
| 23:44.51 | PaulFertser_ | Looks like this |
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| 23:48.51 | rwhitby | considers following mickey|dinner's lead and installing Qi |
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| 23:52.11 | Dave | Hey Orzo :P |
| 23:53.13 | orzo | hiya dave |
| 23:53.21 | orzo | did you make an altoids adapter yet? |
| 23:53.24 | orzo | heh |
| 23:53.33 | Dave | haha, no |
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| 23:53.37 | Dave | regrettably I haven't had the time |
| 23:53.42 | Dave | but I probably should |
| 23:54.15 | Dave | the most hilarious part is that the only component I'm missing is the mini altoids container itself :P |
| 23:54.22 | Dave | I already have all the other parts laying around here :) |
| 23:54.25 | orzo | i configured my xorg so that it knows about AUX now |
| 23:54.34 | Dave | nice |
| 23:54.42 | orzo | heh |
| 23:55.03 | orzo | i want xrandr |
| 23:55.14 | orzo | i guess the way to do that is to build kdrive |
| 23:55.28 | Dave | oy |
| 23:55.34 | orzo | fbdev xorg doesnt do it |
| 23:55.41 | Dave | too bad |
| 23:55.46 | Dave | that would have been sweet |
| 23:56.32 | orzo | debian has kdrive, but they ommited touch screen support via tslib |
| 23:56.46 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: are you sure you need it? |
| 23:56.47 | Dave | assssssssssy |
| 23:57.09 | orzo | PaulFertser_: hm? I'd like to rotate teh screen |
| 23:57.19 | PaulFertser_ | orzo: not xrandr, but tslib :) |
| 23:57.22 | orzo | oh |
| 23:57.35 | orzo | well xorg supports the touchscreen via tslib |
| 23:58.01 | PaulFertser_ | But what do you really need it for? |
| 23:58.04 | Dave | installs OM2007.2 on orzo |
| 23:58.15 | Dave | Paul, for anything cool, OBVIOUSLY! :P |
| 23:58.37 | orzo | well i tried switching to something else in debian |
| 23:58.47 | orzo | i think a kdrive related thing |
| 23:58.55 | orzo | and i could never get my touch screen working |
