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| 00:14.21 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.39 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.44 | slaxxin | wassup |
| 00:19.06 | Dave | skjera? |
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| 00:20.54 | kd8ikt | nutin |
| 00:21.14 | kd8ikt | watching shr testing compile on my machine |
| 00:21.26 | kd8ikt | its still going to thats a good thing |
| 00:21.46 | shellevil | surely you can't watch it compile continuously. But have to watch it compiling? |
| 00:22.48 | kd8ikt | how does that regex bot work |
| 00:23.12 | kd8ikt | like iwanted to change the aboves "to" to "so" |
| 00:24.01 | kd8ikt | s\/to/so |
| 00:24.49 | shellevil | s/compiling/exploding. |
| 00:24.56 | shellevil | s/compiling/exploding/ |
| 00:25.35 | kd8ikt | whoah i still dont get it |
| 00:25.55 | shellevil | It's not hard. |
| 00:26.01 | shellevil | s/hard/easy. |
| 00:26.04 | shellevil | sighs |
| 00:26.10 | shellevil | s/hard/easy/ |
| 00:26.18 | shellevil | is suffering from migrane. |
| 00:26.38 | shellevil | Sorry, I'm just confusing you. |
| 00:26.46 | shellevil | s/confusing/contusing/ |
| 00:27.50 | kd8ikt | s/i still dont/i get/ |
| 00:27.58 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 00:28.07 | kd8ikt | close |
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| 00:30.12 | coffee1 | hear ye, hear ye! |
| 00:30.20 | coffee1 | my good and faithful children |
| 00:30.26 | coffee1 | behold. it is i. |
| 00:30.32 | kd8ikt | migrane, sure that isnt just a reason to self medicate? |
| 00:30.43 | coffee1 | tell me something i wish to know. |
| 00:31.23 | shellevil | kd8: no |
| 00:31.37 | coffee1 | do it now |
| 00:31.38 | shellevil | kd8ikt: i've found nothing that really helps annoyingly. |
| 00:31.45 | zedstar | reducing your coffee intake will make you less hyper active |
| 00:31.59 | coffee1 | lol wow.. i was literally drinking coffee as i read that |
| 00:32.04 | shellevil | kd8ikt: not paracetamol, any OTC painkillers, just lying down in a darkened room. |
| 00:32.05 | kd8ikt | heroin |
| 00:32.05 | coffee1 | now if you are truly good, you will guess what kind of coffee |
| 00:32.14 | coffee1 | from whence/where did i purchase that coffee, peasant |
| 00:32.15 | shellevil | coffee1: Kua lopak? |
| 00:32.21 | coffee1 | nay, i say. |
| 00:32.44 | kd8ikt | some pure morphine in your brain might help it |
| 00:32.46 | coffee1 | zedstar: i bestow upon you the task of guessing which coffee i doth consume |
| 00:32.46 | shellevil | Kopi Luwak even |
| 00:32.59 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 00:33.01 | coffee1 | for on this day, i doth consume MUCH |
| 00:33.04 | coffee1 | guess now, sir |
| 00:33.15 | zedstar | coffee1 is it brewed by satan no less |
| 00:33.21 | coffee1 | indeed, it is |
| 00:33.31 | coffee1 | i believe satan runs the store that i bought it from |
| 00:33.34 | shellevil | thinks coffee1 confused satan and santa. |
| 00:33.48 | kd8ikt | coffee1: this isnt a renaissance fair |
| 00:33.55 | coffee1 | no i'm certain i read satan on both the store's management list, and what zedstar wrote |
| 00:34.05 | coffee1 | wow this song is amazing. |
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| 00:34.16 | coffee1 | im pretty sure i ate extacy for breakfast |
| 00:34.54 | coffee1 | i will tell you all a few things, as i reflect on my days of an old man (22 years and counting) |
| 00:35.03 | kd8ikt | save it |
| 00:35.31 | coffee1 | you can balance low sleep with high caffeine intake |
| 00:35.36 | coffee1 | it's a nice mathematical equation |
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| 00:36.25 | kd8ikt | hey coffee1 |
| 00:36.41 | coffee1 | kd8ikt my computer thinks that you live inside of its chips, but i'm sure that it is incorrect |
| 00:37.06 | coffee1 | any robots in here? |
| 00:37.19 | kd8ikt | i cant hear you!? #/ignore coffee1 all |
| 00:37.39 | coffee1 | robot love |
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| 00:48.17 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r8d05dc06cda4 10/configure.ac: added check for minimum vala version |
| 00:48.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r38dae5941692 10/ (16 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:48.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Refactored everything |
| 00:48.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: add logging for alle PowerSupplies,PowerControl |
| 00:48.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: added FSO.Phone.Call logging ( no metadata ;)) |
| 00:48.21 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: added FSO.Usage and FSO.Prefernces |
| 00:48.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * ra537d4ffe6f2 10/autogen.sh: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:fso-monitord |
| 00:50.21 | p3t3r__ | Hi, i have a question. Received a defected freerunner from ebay today, and apparently the battery is discharged. Now i managed to connect a Motorola BT-60 battery to the Neo and while having it connected to USB wallcharger, I was able to switch it on. AUX blinks red once, and then the screen is lighting up, showing a "smashed" image (kernel prob?). I will ask a friend for his nokia to charge the freerunners battery tomorrow - that's for sure. What will i |
| 00:52.09 | Weiss | p3t3r__: any difference if you try to boot to the uBoot menu? (NAND or NOR, though it may have Qi in NAND) |
| 00:53.23 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: How do I do that? Press AUX while starting? |
| 00:54.27 | shellevil | smashed image? |
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| 00:59.38 | p3t3r__ | shellevil: no idea, got it like that |
| 01:00.21 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: I am unable to enter the uBoot menu, as it seems - or does it take long until it appears? |
| 01:01.15 | projektdotnet | p3t3r__: I wasn't paying attention earlier is this a GTA01 or 02? |
| 01:01.27 | slaxxin | nor is the unbrickable an nand u can change |
| 01:01.54 | Weiss | p3t3r__: should be fairly quick. a second or so... try both NAND and NOR a couple of times (see the wiki for how) |
| 01:01.56 | p3t3r__ | projektdotnet: is a gta02 |
| 01:02.18 | slaxxin | nor is aux +power and nand is power+aux |
| 01:02.20 | projektdotnet | hold the aux button down and while it's still being held down hold the power button down too and it should display a menu |
| 01:02.28 | projektdotnet | that will be NOR |
| 01:02.43 | slaxxin | nand takes 6-7 seconds |
| 01:07.00 | Dave | eh ohs |
| 01:07.06 | p3t3r__ | just pressed and held aux then pressed power.. screen looks still as weird as before |
| 01:08.11 | Dave | yay |
| 01:09.25 | p3t3r__ | but i have to say that is hard to press two buttons and while that holding the wired battery.. |
| 01:10.52 | Dave | :p |
| 01:10.54 | Dave | :o |
| 01:10.59 | Wonka | :q |
| 01:12.16 | Dave | :wq |
| 01:12.43 | p3t3r__ | I will try again tomorrow. Thank you guys, anyway! |
| 01:12.52 | Dave | Sure thing, Pete. |
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| 01:22.14 | p3t3r__ | Weiss / projektdotnet: Well, NOR seems to be bricked... any chance to get the device working again? |
| 01:22.23 | Dave | oh shit |
| 01:22.27 | Dave | buy a debugboard :\ |
| 01:23.14 | Weiss | p3t3r__: sounds like the graphics bits are broken..? |
| 01:23.22 | bove | what would be the best approach for building a gesture driven interface in python and gtk. Any libraries I should know about? |
| 01:23.28 | Weiss | i.e. NAND/NOR could both be fine, but you don't see anything..? |
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| 01:26.21 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: I'll take a photo and post a link in her |
| 01:26.28 | p3t3r__ | +e |
| 01:26.36 | Dave | :) |
| 01:26.42 | Dave | yeah, show us your fuckup :) |
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| 01:30.29 | p3t3r__ | http://phodroid.com/09/02/922w78 |
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| 01:31.02 | p3t3r__ | Dave: Yeah, looks pretty fucked up |
| 01:31.07 | Dave | wow, and it stays like that? |
| 01:31.12 | p3t3r__ | yeah. |
| 01:31.20 | Dave | Wow, yeah, I was going to say... that's pretty fucked up :D |
| 01:31.23 | p3t3r__ | (unfortunately.) |
| 01:31.37 | Dave | mine makes a screen like that, right before entering uBoot |
| 01:31.41 | Dave | but only for a second |
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| 01:32.58 | p3t3r__ | Weiss, Dave: I assume that a debug board could help as a last way out? |
| 01:34.10 | slaxxin | leave it on charge (wall charger) for a few hours then boot to nor (aux+power an it should boot if the battery is dead |
| 01:34.37 | slaxxin | only nor |
| 01:36.19 | p3t3r__ | slaxxin: this screen shows it booted to nor (pressed AUX first, then power) |
| 01:36.26 | Dave | PEter, yes |
| 01:39.10 | |Marco| | hm.. beers for my bear :D |
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| 01:44.12 | slaxxin | cant reinstall uboot or Qi? |
| 01:44.20 | p3t3r__ | Ok then, thanks all for your help. Any idea whether there'll be some OpenMoko people with a debug board at CeBIT (3.3-9.3) |
| 01:45.47 | p3t3r__ | slaxxin: no idea.. battery is too weak to try this yet.. can you install Qi/uboot without a working bootloader? |
| 01:46.53 | Dave | heh |
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| 03:35.15 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 03:35.49 | kd8ikt | rtfm |
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| 03:50.22 | projektdotnet | kd8ikt: why RTFM when we can bug IRC? |
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| 09:25.11 | Hopscotch | guten morgen |
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| 10:50.55 | hipitihop | someone on the mailing list mentioned "QTE 4.4.2 with the testing kernel from http://downloads.openmoko.org/testing/daily" however that is an invalid link anyone have the correct one ? |
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| 11:42.29 | faltantornillos | Hi everybody. I've been trying to use linphone with shr-testing, I can make calls but there is an almost infinite echo. Any hint? pls |
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| 12:03.13 | p3t3r__ | HI, |
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| 12:07.07 | LuYu | is anybody using android on their OM? |
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| 12:07.55 | madwoota | someone needs to add that to the topic it gets asked so often |
| 12:08.10 | p3t3r__ | I have been around her yesterday, maybe some people remember my stupid questions. Well, I have just been removing the top case lid according to the guide for the Neo1973 (and it seems to have worked for my FreeRunner (btw: I bought it as defected and received it yesterday..)). Now guess what: I had a problem with entering NOR bootloader (screen always looked like this http://phodroid.com/09/02/922w78 )and what do I see: The aux button is broken, it has t |
| 12:09.03 | p3t3r__ | and I was always wondering why it was so hard to feel whether I pressed it successfully or not |
| 12:11.59 | LuYu | you mean, the one i just asked? |
| 12:12.08 | LuYu | im using android |
| 12:12.11 | LuYu | i just got it working |
| 12:12.26 | LuYu | i was hoping to pick others brains about some usage stuff |
| 12:12.33 | LuYu | its awfully pretty |
| 12:12.52 | LuYu | but its also awfully quirky |
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| 12:14.14 | LuYu | so, i was wondering if anyone else on here had gotten it to work and wanted to share their experience |
| 12:14.26 | Weiss | p3t3r__: i think the end of your first line got chopped off.. |
| 12:15.19 | Weiss | p3t3r__: sorry.. had more to say last night but i was falling asleep :)... the debug board will get you a serial console which might help you if it gets as far as starting the kernel |
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| 12:15.55 | Weiss | p3t3r__: you need a working u-boot to install Qi |
| 12:19.47 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: Yes, I figured that out already. http://phodroid.com/09/02/8wf3g8 take a look at the has to be resoldered - AUX button |
| 12:20.08 | p3t3r__ | no way for me to enter NOR uboot yesterday |
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| 12:21.32 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: Besides I fear to be unable to deal with serial consoles.. all sounds very low level - and i am not even experienced in high level programming.. |
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| 12:44.32 | Weiss | p3t3r__: no way to get the NAND menu either.. :S. so i guess it's hard to tell whether you have a kernel problem or a hardware problem... |
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| 12:45.48 | p3t3r__ | Weiss: At least no way to tell it right now. But once the hardware problem is fixed, I'll see whether there are even more problems or not |
| 12:47.31 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r202c1b0249cb 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.[Get]ReadyStatus. |
| 12:48.06 | docscrutinizer2 | p3t3r__: what does "lsusb" show before and after you attach the device to pc? |
| 12:48.31 | josch | mickeyl: hey, are you there? |
| 12:49.26 | mickeyl | yo |
| 12:49.47 | josch | mickeyl: i saw that the libxml2 bb does not build the python bindings that come with the source |
| 12:50.09 | josch | who is the maintainer of libxml2? i wrote you since you are the oe python guy ;) |
| 12:50.25 | mickeyl | grep the MAINTAINER file in oe root |
| 12:50.36 | josch | ah right... |
| 12:50.38 | mickeyl | if there is noone listed, then it's "the collective" |
| 12:51.06 | josch | mickeyl: what xml module does python in oe use so far? |
| 12:51.15 | mickeyl | the builtin one |
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| 12:55.41 | josch | thx |
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| 13:28.04 | josch | mickeyl: since libxml/libxslt is very popular and much more powerful - can you think of someone that would have no trouble enabling the building of that module in the libxml bb? i tried myself but got stuck due to my limited bitbake knowledge |
| 13:29.03 | mickeyl | well, i think that's the reason why it got disabled |
| 13:29.14 | mickeyl | because it didn't build for someone |
| 13:29.45 | mickeyl | i can take a look some time next week |
| 13:29.54 | josch | this would be great! |
| 13:29.57 | josch | in the meantime |
| 13:30.30 | josch | could you suggest a receipe that also includes python bindings so that i can look at that and give it one more try? |
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| 13:32.39 | mickeyl | not offhand |
| 13:32.46 | josch | okay |
| 13:32.51 | mickeyl | try grepping for stuff inheritting distutils-base |
| 13:33.09 | mickeyl | that's a sign for a package that does not use distutils (probably autoconf), but still needs information to ship py files |
| 13:33.19 | josch | ah cool |
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| 13:38.39 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r02a21b413e43 10/src/gsm.vala: added FSO.GSM.SIM.ReadyStatus |
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| 13:48.53 | sirbob1701 | so i have a gta02v6 on ebay @220 bucks with a few hours left |
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| 13:53.30 | SpeedEvil | Odd. Can't even find it when searching. |
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| 14:02.59 | CM | mickeyl: I'm using the daily experimental fso from downloads.opennmoko.org right now and besides the gps and battery-meter it works better than ever |
| 14:03.16 | CM | Calling, Answering, sms... :.) |
| 14:03.29 | CM | Thanks for the hard work on fso |
| 14:10.06 | mickeyl | glad to hear, thanks for the heads up |
| 14:10.31 | CM | But there's no terminal in the build for the gta01 |
| 14:11.02 | CM | That's all I miss :) |
| 14:15.53 | Zorkman | mickeyl: i'm using latest shr unstable |
| 14:16.12 | Zorkman | and when i run tangogps together with openmoko-agpsui |
| 14:16.38 | Zorkman | the agpsui gets the correct time and date, while tangogps is stating constantly different (wrong) times |
| 14:17.17 | Zorkman | is this something i should report in the trac.? |
| 14:18.07 | mickeyl | might be a glitch in fso-gspd |
| 14:18.19 | mickeyl | in that case it would be on topic in FSO trac |
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| 14:19.01 | Zorkman | i'll try to test some more first then |
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| 14:28.52 | Zorkman | mickeyl: agps: http://pastebin.com/m160a47e8 tangogps: http://pastebin.com/d451c4afe |
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| 14:36.06 | lindi- | Zorkman: hmm |
| 14:36.50 | lindi- | Zorkman: actually it might be useful to have strace from the beginning so that we could see if they are really talking to same gpsd |
| 14:41.50 | toggles_w | anyone flashed their gsm firmware? |
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| 14:44.30 | lindi- | toggles_w: i have |
| 14:45.57 | toggles_w | lindi-: thanks, i got stuck, was my bad didn't keep reading the instructions, it seemed to wrk.. cheers |
| 14:47.10 | lindi- | toggles_w: please verify that it fixes #2231 for you |
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| 14:49.11 | toggles_w | lindi-: do you have a link to the bug tracker? |
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| 14:50.00 | lindi- | toggles_w: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=lindi%0d%0asocat |
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| 14:51.44 | toggles_w | lindi-: thanks, going to take me a while to flash the phone again., ill get back to you |
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| 14:53.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * ra416548dc7bb 10/src/ (consts.vala serial.vala): refactor serial/pty init |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r11bf193fdaa8 10/src/ (serial.vala server.vala): restart serial writer only if port is already opened |
| 14:53.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb06aec7fe413 10/src/serial.vala: |
| 14:53.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: restart writer directly after opening the port, since we might |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: already have queued up something in the buffer sent from the lower layers |
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| 14:59.11 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: btw, just found that rmmod'ing the sound module doesn't work as well. |
| 15:03.53 | niv | :) |
| 15:04.30 | niv | PaulFertser_: i finally figured out what i am suffering ... *G* http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards/SD-C02G <-- these are the same symptoms.. |
| 15:05.11 | niv | at least, i now know, that others have that problem too :) |
| 15:06.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r9a9eb5181bde 10/ (libfso-glib.pc.in src/Makefile.am): |
| 15:06.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed libfso-glib.pc and publish .gir file. |
| 15:06.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 15:13.50 | PaulFertser_ | niv: so, does it work with that settings? And it's funny how the word GSM is used instead of GPS. |
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| 15:16.17 | PaulFertser_ | nio_: or not... I've never heard that GSM can affect uSD... |
| 15:16.34 | SpeedEvil | Someone earlier was complaining about this. |
| 15:16.43 | SpeedEvil | Heavy GSM activity caused massive SD corruption. |
| 15:16.44 | niv | PaulFertser_: no, it is not working with that settings.. |
| 15:16.50 | niv | i set them via sysctl |
| 15:17.06 | niv | then i turn on gprs... and i am screwed :) |
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| 15:17.44 | niv | the apps in the ram are working fine but the stuff on the sd card is inaccessable |
| 15:19.40 | PaulFertser_ | niv: don't set them via sysctl, they can't be altered that way. |
| 15:20.23 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: is there a ticket at OM trac? Does docscrutinizer2 know about it? Any additional info (how to reproduce etc)? |
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| 15:21.41 | PaulFertser_ | niv: i also propose you to try a kernel which doesn't lower SD card voltage below 3V |
| 15:23.03 | niv | oh |
| 15:23.24 | docscrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: duh, what? |
| 15:23.41 | niv | i use that kernel: |
| 15:23.42 | niv | Linux debian-gta02 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 10 07:05:05 UTC 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux |
| 15:23.55 | niv | so i have to search for another.. |
| 15:23.56 | niv | mh.. |
| 15:25.04 | PaulFertser_ | niv: there is no kernel that supports keeping SD voltage high OOTB |
| 15:25.21 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards/SD-C02G |
| 15:25.24 | SpeedEvil | docscrutinizer2: sorry - it was a couple of days ago, I've no idea if the person in question raised a ticket |
| 15:29.02 | niv | mh.. anything i could do to help you analyze this? |
| 15:29.30 | SpeedEvil | finds he has no logs. |
| 15:29.39 | PaulFertser_ | niv: first, try the parameters from the wikipage and report results |
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| 15:29.51 | docscrutinizer2 | damn, an absulutely consistent bug report. eew |
| 15:29.56 | niv | mh.. so i will try to modify my uboot-config. |
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| 15:30.12 | docscrutinizer2 | pretty much possible |
| 15:30.21 | PaulFertser_ | niv: yes |
| 15:30.34 | docscrutinizer2 | but i dont get it whether its card dependent |
| 15:31.07 | niv | well me either :) these reports are for the 2 GB kingston and i have an 8 GB one.. |
| 15:31.09 | PaulFertser_ | Some cards can be more picky to the io line quality |
| 15:31.11 | docscrutinizer2 | morning btw |
| 15:31.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r602458fea16d 10/src/fso-dbus-interfaces.vala: |
| 15:31.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Regenerated fso-dbus-interfaces. |
| 15:31.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 15:31.26 | docscrutinizer2 | thanks for awekining me ;) |
| 15:31.26 | PaulFertser_ | Morning? :) |
| 15:32.13 | PaulFertser_ | That was an unintended side-effect, sorry. :) |
| 15:32.32 | docscrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: nah, honestly thanks |
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| 15:33.44 | docscrutinizer2 | (kingston) 1 and 8G here |
| 15:34.09 | docscrutinizer2 | ah and 4 |
| 15:34.15 | docscrutinizer2 | no 2 |
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| 15:34.58 | docscrutinizer2 | nevertheless, should have raised much more frequently, no? |
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| 15:35.36 | PaulFertser_ | Especiall given how many crappy cards are around. |
| 15:35.59 | docscrutinizer2 | i'd really love to ignore that, but it's so damn good description and conclusent |
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| 15:36.30 | docscrutinizer2 | who reported that? |
| 15:37.24 | docscrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: kingston not exactly crappy? |
| 15:37.47 | docscrutinizer2 | well maybe |
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| 15:39.27 | docscrutinizer2 | wooly, hmm |
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| 15:40.04 | docscrutinizer2 | why didn't wooly open a ticket? or post to [hw]? |
| 15:41.13 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: i don't know about kingston. I say that there's plenty of cards around and if it was a reproducible issue with bad card, many people would hit that, so i agree with you. |
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| 15:41.37 | docscrutinizer2 | ack |
| 15:42.13 | docscrutinizer2 | still this is so precise it can't be bogus |
| 15:42.44 | docscrutinizer2 | or reporter was very savvy |
| 15:43.12 | docscrutinizer2 | (on adding speculation into facts) |
| 15:45.05 | docscrutinizer2 | well, anyway I'll follow my usual policy not to investigate on unitary bugreports. 100% CND in the past |
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| 15:46.12 | docscrutinizer2 | I'll keep that on my mind though |
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| 15:49.55 | docscrutinizer2 | not even the exact hw-rev is stated (fix can be DIY) |
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| 15:51.56 | niv | any tipps for me not to flush the input buffer on the usb console of uboot on my freerunner? |
| 15:52.33 | niv | if i simply copypaste using my mouse, i flush the input buffer. |
| 15:52.49 | docscrutinizer2 | huh? |
| 15:53.18 | niv | i would like to add a boot parameter to my bootloader. |
| 15:53.58 | niv | so i start into nor bootloader menu, select usb console and try to edit the environment. |
| 15:54.54 | mwester | niv: it's not so complicated. |
| 15:55.16 | mwester | niv: start in NAND, as one normally would. Then plug in the USB connection -- /dev/ttyACM0 will appear on your host. |
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| 15:55.41 | mwester | niv: then use "neocon" to connect to it, specify a delay of 30ms or so to avoid lost characters. |
| 15:55.52 | mwester | niv: that's all you have to do. |
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| 16:02.30 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: i think niv is the second reporter. Niv, can you confirm that _GSM_ activity influences SD? |
| 16:03.19 | docscrutinizer2 | naah, don't do it pleeeease! ;D |
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| 16:04.15 | docscrutinizer2 | shit, so it rises severity |
| 16:04.39 | niv | PaulFertser_: well i can reproduce that if i boot from sd, then register gsm via zhone, log in via ssh on usb0 and turn on gprs then, i most certainly get input output errors on my freerunner |
| 16:04.56 | docscrutinizer2 | niv, did YOU file a bug report yet? |
| 16:05.40 | niv | no i didn't.. |
| 16:05.56 | niv | because i thought i forgot something to test. |
| 16:06.44 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: could you place ANOTHER phone radiating GSM next to FR and see if it causes same errors |
| 16:07.44 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: do you have sdcard gps hw fix cap? |
| 16:07.54 | niv | yes i have the fix |
| 16:08.10 | docscrutinizer2 | hmmm |
| 16:08.12 | PaulFertser_ | Self-applied? |
| 16:08.15 | niv | no |
| 16:08.19 | niv | it shipped with it |
| 16:08.29 | niv | i have that freerunner for about 4 weeks or so |
| 16:08.33 | docscrutinizer2 | eeek scary |
| 16:08.35 | PaulFertser_ | Lucky |
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| 16:08.50 | niv | hail to trisoft :) |
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| 16:09.20 | niv | mh.. so i fetch another cellphone and place it next to FR? |
| 16:09.24 | PaulFertser_ | Yes |
| 16:09.30 | niv | mh.. let me think. |
| 16:09.50 | PaulFertser_ | Preferably if it can do some heavy GSM/GPRS activity |
| 16:11.09 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: then start gprs or a call on that other phone, and while constantly reading from FR sdcard and checking for errors, move the antenna of the other phone along surface of FR |
| 16:11.26 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: (not related but still) when i got my FR i tried to use it without SIM inserted first and SD didn't work reliably. I don't think it can be easily fixed in the next HW revision but probably some additional notice should be put for newcomers. |
| 16:12.09 | docscrutinizer2 | no idea how THAT might come |
| 16:12.56 | docscrutinizer2 | btw please notice: us developers most of the time use FR w/o sim |
| 16:13.06 | niv | PaulFertser_: i will try to dial the cell phone.. |
| 16:13.13 | docscrutinizer2 | we don't even have a sufficient number |
| 16:13.40 | niv | fascinating... :) |
| 16:14.33 | PaulFertser_ | docscrutinizer2: i somehow knew about the issue (problems w/o SIM), so that means i've read it at community ML. And someone (Andy?) recently suggested on the ML to even place additional paper over SIM to ensure good contact. |
| 16:14.35 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: be aware that cellphones stop transmitting during silence in call. so prolly you want to apply musik or radio audio at sufficient level |
| 16:14.48 | niv | *G* |
| 16:14.54 | niv | *giggle* |
| 16:15.00 | docscrutinizer2 | ahh mechanical |
| 16:15.43 | niv | debian is still booting right now.. |
| 16:16.12 | niv | i haven't applied the bootloader options yet.. |
| 16:16.31 | niv | i will try to verify the gsm thing first.. if that is ok. |
| 16:17.20 | docscrutinizer2 | sorry fellas, have to get up prior to further investigations |
| 16:17.25 | PaulFertser_ | :) |
| 16:17.28 | docscrutinizer2 | bbl |
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| 16:21.54 | niv | i had several find / on my fs |
| 16:22.27 | niv | and got my other cell phone called for about 2 minutes.. |
| 16:22.44 | niv | nothing.. |
| 16:23.23 | niv | i think the case is absorbing most of the external gsm activity |
| 16:23.36 | niv | or.. not absorbing.. |
| 16:23.56 | niv | protecting.. |
| 16:24.13 | niv | shielded :) |
| 16:24.16 | PaulFertser_ | It's plastic, shouldn't affect much... |
| 16:24.43 | niv | i have this invincible shield on it... but that shouldn't affect either. |
| 16:25.44 | niv | ok so i think, external gsm activity will not affect the sd card |
| 16:26.01 | quatrox | hmm.. does gprs work from shr-settings? |
| 16:26.22 | docscrutinizer2 | nah, FR case isn't shielding |
| 16:26.41 | SpeedEvil | invisibleshield also shouldn't affect things |
| 16:27.03 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: u got mmcx ext gsm antenna? |
| 16:27.08 | docscrutinizer2 | errks |
| 16:27.13 | docscrutinizer2 | nevermind |
| 16:27.17 | niv | :) |
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| 16:27.40 | docscrutinizer2 | need a adapter for internal gsm ant jack |
| 16:27.41 | niv | so.. i will continue modifying bootloader config now? |
| 16:28.07 | docscrutinizer2 | then could test with ext ant, removing radiation from FR body |
| 16:28.37 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: Where are U located? |
| 16:28.52 | niv | docscrutinizer2: Germany, Karlsruhe |
| 16:28.57 | niv | Europe |
| 16:28.58 | niv | :) |
| 16:29.18 | docscrutinizer2 | might manage to get an adapter to you |
| 16:29.25 | niv | mh.. |
| 16:29.26 | niv | :) |
| 16:30.25 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: whas the failures from bat or charger hookup? |
| 16:30.59 | niv | docscrutinizer2: i think, at first it was only from battery |
| 16:31.07 | niv | but meanwhile, it doesn't matter. |
| 16:31.31 | niv | Thursday i was hooked up via usb and went fine.. |
| 16:31.43 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: need to get a ext gsm ant to you |
| 16:31.46 | niv | until i pulled the cable. |
| 16:32.07 | niv | :) |
| 16:32.21 | niv | so i shall give you a shipping address? |
| 16:32.37 | docscrutinizer2 | not now |
| 16:33.05 | docscrutinizer2 | i'll come back with further requests, stay tuned ;) |
| 16:33.08 | niv | i will be in Karlsruhe until end of February... then i will be located in Esslingen. |
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| 16:33.28 | docscrutinizer2 | no difference. Nue here |
| 16:33.42 | docscrutinizer2 | er "N" |
| 16:33.44 | niv | where are you located then? i am just curious :) |
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| 16:34.07 | docscrutinizer2 | nuernberg |
| 16:34.11 | niv | oh :) |
| 16:34.13 | niv | nice. |
| 16:34.52 | docscrutinizer2 | well otoh theres this nasty cbit i promised never to visit again |
| 16:35.09 | docscrutinizer2 | seems to be your direction |
| 16:35.53 | docscrutinizer2 | general dir |
| 16:36.42 | niv | well, i will move back to esslingen in the first week of march.. |
| 16:36.46 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: can you get a standard ext ant for gsm? I might send an adapter, but no ant |
| 16:36.56 | niv | mh.. |
| 16:36.57 | niv | i will try. |
| 16:37.09 | niv | i don't have something like that handy. |
| 16:38.11 | docscrutinizer2 | I ruined all of mine? anyway cost ~5bucks |
| 16:38.34 | docscrutinizer2 | s/?/!/ |
| 16:39.19 | niv | about 5 bucks.. |
| 16:39.20 | niv | mh.. |
| 16:40.12 | docscrutinizer2 | autostummelantenne mit magnetfuss und paar meter kabel |
| 16:40.12 | niv | conrad starts them at about 30 EUR |
| 16:40.26 | docscrutinizer2 | errks |
| 16:40.26 | niv | 20 eur.. |
| 16:41.19 | niv | http://tinyurl.com/bmtdv2 <-- something like that. |
| 16:41.24 | docscrutinizer2 | conrad takes 25bucks for a cat5 criptool you pay 3 bucks at decent shops |
| 16:41.54 | niv | the last one.. |
| 16:41.55 | docscrutinizer2 | so conrad isn't alwys good reference |
| 16:42.00 | niv | mh.. |
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| 16:43.17 | niv | i have one about 11 EUR |
| 16:43.32 | docscrutinizer2 | ah more like it |
| 16:43.40 | niv | its one for a car.. |
| 16:43.47 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:44.03 | docscrutinizer2 | magnet holder |
| 16:44.17 | niv | Hirschmann Magnethaftantenne MCA 18 90 MH,Dualband |
| 16:44.18 | niv | AMPS, GSM 900/1800/1900, UMTS |
| 16:44.22 | niv | sounds good |
| 16:44.31 | docscrutinizer2 | though absolutely not mandatory |
| 16:44.51 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:44.55 | docscrutinizer2 | perfect |
| 16:45.07 | niv | i will try to get that one. |
| 16:45.10 | docscrutinizer2 | watch for plug anyway |
| 16:45.24 | docscrutinizer2 | needs to fit adapter |
| 16:45.28 | niv | Kabel: RG 174, |
| 16:45.28 | niv | ca. 2,5 m, FME-Buchse |
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| 16:45.58 | docscrutinizer2 | got me, dunno whether it's FME at adapter |
| 16:46.16 | lindi- | docscrutinizer2: does gsm buzz fix really need to use lead-free tin? |
| 16:46.47 | docscrutinizer2 | will be much easier to do decent solder joints |
| 16:46.56 | lindi- | docscrutinizer2: really? |
| 16:47.02 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:47.04 | lindi- | docscrutinizer2: i thought lead-free tin needed higher temperature |
| 16:47.13 | docscrutinizer2 | exactly |
| 16:47.30 | docscrutinizer2 | and you already got some leadfree at pad |
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| 16:47.40 | docscrutinizer2 | thats the point |
| 16:48.09 | lindi- | docscrutinizer2: ah and having different melting points is not nice? |
| 16:48.41 | docscrutinizer2 | easy to burn lead at temp u need to melt the leadfree solder already found covering pad |
| 16:49.33 | docscrutinizer2 | also if you mix the lead with leadfree, melting point rises. Your iron might stick to the pad |
| 16:50.10 | niv | ok... i will be away in about 10-20 for... most likely the rest of the evening.. |
| 16:50.18 | niv | if there is anything left.. just hilite me here. |
| 16:50.29 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: np, thanks |
| 16:50.45 | docscrutinizer2 | will come back to you next day |
| 16:50.54 | niv | ok, just shoot :) |
| 16:51.51 | niv | i am glad to have the whole wifi stuff working now |
| 16:52.14 | docscrutinizer2 | niv: send me an email! |
| 16:52.15 | niv | gprs would be cool, too :) |
| 16:52.57 | niv | address please :) |
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| 16:56.31 | niv | so long guys.. |
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| 16:56.39 | niv | waves |
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| 17:16.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * reeaf7cb60194 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: |
| 17:16.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: mickeyterm: add support for fso-abyss. Run the command |
| 17:16.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 'mickeyterm -p fso:0' to query the next free virtual channel, run |
| 17:16.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 'mickeyterm -p fso:<channel>' to query a concrete virtual channel. |
| 17:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-02-15 17:53:19] <niv> address please :) |
| 17:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | Duh |
| 17:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | joerg@om |
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| 17:24.08 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc6056b69a762 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: fix status argument type in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.[Get]ReadyStatus |
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| 17:38.31 | Dave | Good day, Joerg :) |
| 17:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | not here anymore, I'm already out for a coffee ;) |
| 17:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | (wish I was) |
| 17:39.49 | Dave | Aw, okay |
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| 17:42.31 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r887300e34894 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): abyss now has a config file |
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| 17:50.28 | jc | hello, anyone has idea where to find the default 2007 keyboard ? |
| 17:50.30 | jc | the numeric one |
| 17:50.43 | jc | (source) |
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| 17:57.50 | Dave | jc, multitap-pad? |
| 17:59.10 | toggles_w | lindi-: ping? |
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| 18:01.21 | lindi- | toggles_w: pong |
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| 18:04.45 | toggles_w | lindi-: what distro are you using? after the firmware update everything seems to have gone to crap |
| 18:04.56 | Dave | :D |
| 18:05.05 | PaulFertser_ | Debian ftw! |
| 18:05.07 | toggles_w | slaps dave witha wet panguin |
| 18:05.22 | PaulFertser_ | toggles_w: are you having issues with SHR? |
| 18:05.30 | toggles_w | PaulFertser_: yessir! |
| 18:05.43 | toggles_w | and fso, wont let me ssh into it |
| 18:05.47 | Dave | :D |
| 18:05.55 | toggles_w | slaps dave witha wet pEnguin |
| 18:06.21 | PaulFertser_ | toggles_w: how can gsm firmware interfere with usb? |
| 18:06.35 | SpeedEvil | Evil GSM radiation! |
| 18:06.49 | toggles_w | PaulFertser_: dunno, not really blaming the fso issue on the gsm, but both the dialar and sms apps in shr crash |
| 18:06.53 | Dave | nucular wesssels? |
| 18:07.12 | PaulFertser_ | toggles_w: issues in SHR are being worked on |
| 18:07.26 | toggles_w | PaulFertser_: they gsm related? |
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| 18:07.51 | PaulFertser_ | toggles_w: yes, it appeared that ophonekitd mis-used fso. |
| 18:08.10 | toggles_w | PaulFertser_: thanks, any timeline on a resolutuion? |
| 18:08.47 | PaulFertser_ | toggles_w: ask mrmoku, probably he's already testing the solution now ;) |
| 18:08.53 | lindi- | toggles_w: debian |
| 18:08.59 | toggles_w | PaulFertser_: thanks |
| 18:09.04 | Dave | debian debian debian |
| 18:09.11 | lindi- | toggles_w: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/status-reports/ has extensive version number info |
| 18:09.56 | toggles_w | lindi-: thanks, crap, i can't get socat to work to test the firmware 'fix' for you |
| 18:10.23 | lindi- | toggles_w: did you already upgrade? |
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| 18:11.09 | toggles_w | lindi-: yeah, but shr wont install socat and i can't ssh to fso |
| 18:11.17 | toggles_w | reinstalling fso now, will try again |
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| 18:12.15 | lindi- | toggles_w: chroot to debian |
| 18:12.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r80d289822d2c 10/ (data/abyss.conf.sample src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): |
| 18:12.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: abyss can now automatically open the 0710 session, when you request the first channel |
| 18:12.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: _and_ have a valid configuration file specifying its parameters. |
| 18:12.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: If requested via configuration file, then you can also autoclose the 0710 session, once |
| 18:12.25 | lindi- | toggles_w: or use something else than socat |
| 18:12.25 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: the last channel gets released -- as well as program exit, once the session gets closed. |
| 18:12.38 | Dave | vala vala vala |
| 18:12.58 | leinir | *shivers* |
| 18:13.32 | Dave | pokes leinir |
| 18:13.41 | leinir | purrrs and pushes back... ;) |
| 18:13.56 | leinir | Oh wait, not that kind of poke? ;) |
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| 18:14.21 | Dave | :D :D |
| 18:14.27 | Dave | naughty leinirs |
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| 18:15.33 | slaxxin | been having the same problem with 2008.12 |
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| 18:15.48 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.48 | Neo_user | hello |
| 18:16.30 | Neo_user | who try to install Android on the freerunner |
| 18:16.31 | Neo_user | ? |
| 18:16.43 | slaxxin | not me:) |
| 18:16.53 | Neo_user | ok :) |
| 18:17.00 | leinir | slaxxin: Dude, what's with the query? |
| 18:17.14 | Neo_user | i think my freerunner don't like QI and android |
| 18:17.23 | slaxxin | well im using mwesters kernel are u? |
| 18:17.28 | Neo_user | i've only a black screen when booting |
| 18:17.45 | slaxxin | Dude |
| 18:18.01 | leinir | Yes, i am, but why are you /querying someone about something that very clearly belongs in channel? |
| 18:18.10 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 18:18.23 | slaxxin | 26 lashes with a wet noodle |
| 18:18.43 | leinir | This is supposed to be a community, yeah? Any answer that might be relevant to you is most likely relevant to someone else and thus needs to be made in public :) |
| 18:19.19 | Dave | queries leinir |
| 18:19.24 | slaxxin | EXcuse my stupidity please |
| 18:19.37 | leinir | slaxxin: At least now you know for future reference :) |
| 18:19.43 | leinir | We all start somewhere ;) |
| 18:19.44 | slaxxin | it will certainly never happen again |
| 18:19.50 | Dave | ;p |
| 18:20.11 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: have you read Qi wikipage? |
| 18:20.28 | Neo_user | yes |
| 18:20.36 | Neo_user | and i've follow the instruction |
| 18:21.02 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: do you see backlight lit? |
| 18:21.10 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r09fd818470bb 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): This is 0.3.0 |
| 18:21.18 | Neo_user | but after the upload of Qi, reboot, i've only blackscreen |
| 18:21.18 | Dave | Hey Paul :) |
| 18:21.46 | PaulFertser_ | Hey Dave :) Wanna explain to Neo_user why A is bad? ;) |
| 18:21.50 | Dave | oh, and hey, lenier ;) |
| 18:21.55 | Dave | Paul, heh, perhaps :) |
| 18:22.21 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: do you think Qi will show anything? Or kernel? Have you really understood the wiki page? |
| 18:22.23 | Dave | I'm not entirely convinced it is the devil... but sure, in here it's somewhat blasphemous :p |
| 18:22.57 | Neo_user | i've upload android image and rootfs too |
| 18:23.22 | Neo_user | but it don't work |
| 18:23.28 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: can you confirm that the kernel is booting? If you're not sure, please go RTFM. |
| 18:23.45 | Neo_user | sure kernel is no booting |
| 18:23.50 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: how you tell? |
| 18:23.59 | Neo_user | sorry i've a very poor english |
| 18:24.09 | Neo_user | i'm sure that the kernel is not booting |
| 18:24.14 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: why you decided that the kernel is not booting? |
| 18:24.40 | Neo_user | because nothing appears after 10mn |
| 18:24.49 | Neo_user | just a blackscreen |
| 18:25.04 | PaulFertser_ | Neo_user: until you read the fucking wikipage i won't try to help you, sorry. |
| 18:25.16 | Dave | :X |
| 18:25.18 | Neo_user | ... |
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| 18:26.12 | PaulFertser_ | Dave: am i right? Why have to explain again and again something that is so obviously clear described at the wiki?.. |
| 18:26.45 | Dave | True, unless there is specifics which they do not understand or require additional clarification for. |
| 18:27.16 | Dave | Admittedly, the getting started with your neo freerunner page regarding the uBoot menu and flashing isn't entirely straightforward at all, especially for a noob. The NAND vs. NOR part is confusing. |
| 18:27.20 | Dave | :) |
| 18:27.33 | PaulFertser_ | Dave: we're talking about Qi here ;) |
| 18:27.51 | PaulFertser_ | I think i've never read the "getting started" page. |
| 18:28.13 | toggles_w | NAND vs. NOR? |
| 18:28.22 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r051a3659ee2c 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Start work on Audio + Gstreamer subsystem. Add internal ALSA scenario API to handle scenarios. WARNING: not tested |
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| 18:29.09 | Dave | :P |
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| 19:05.46 | bergelin | lindi-: just wanted you to know that i solved my problem by using the openmoko kernel and modules :) thanks for your help yesterday |
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| 19:09.19 | lindi- | bergelin: ok |
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| 19:35.30 | badcloud | hey peoples |
| 19:35.36 | badcloud | got my old box up and running |
| 19:35.38 | badcloud | :) |
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| 19:50.54 | Dave | badcloud :) |
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| 19:57.51 | badcloud | hey, Davo |
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| 19:58.20 | badcloud | what's up? |
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| 20:12.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rf15e3abf9f55 10/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 20:12.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: add handlers for GetSimReady and SimReady |
| 20:12.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 20:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rfabe4ff0f79d 10/src/ogsmd/ (frameworkd-glib-ogsmd-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-ogsmd-dbus.h): |
| 20:12.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: rename BUS_PATH to GSMD_BUS_PATH |
| 20:12.34 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 20:12.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * re90f7c208356 10/src/ousaged/ (2 files): |
| 20:12.38 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ousaged: rename BUS_PATH to OUSAGED_BUS_PATH |
| 20:12.40 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 20:21.10 | slaxxin | its the users that will ' in the end 'determine if this project makes it to mainstream |
| 20:21.28 | slaxxin | like it or not |
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| 20:38.27 | badcloud | hey |
| 20:39.00 | badcloud | what do I have to insert in /etc/network/interfaces so I can access usb0 in debian? |
| 20:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: which project? |
| 20:40.42 | Defiant-_ | badcloud: I have this in my interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/28445/ |
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| 20:48.00 | badcloud | still getting no "usb0" interface error |
| 20:48.00 | badcloud | err, device |
| 20:48.29 | bergelin | badcloud, i had the very same error, i fixed it by installing the openmoko kernel and modules |
| 20:48.43 | badcloud | (03:45:09 PM) badcloud: still getting no "usb0" interface error |
| 20:48.43 | badcloud | (03:45:17 PM) badcloud: err, device |
| 20:49.32 | badcloud | I'll come back later |
| 20:49.55 | badcloud | could you give me a link to some howto? |
| 20:50.15 | bergelin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Kernel |
| 20:50.19 | bergelin | see openmoko way |
| 20:51.09 | badcloud | thanks. I'll try it out on a rainy day |
| 20:51.14 | badcloud | later |
| 20:51.16 | badcloud | /exit |
| 20:51.20 | badcloud | hmmm... |
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| 21:08.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r87def6398fd2 10/src/ (9 files): |
| 21:08.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: You should instantiate your classes if you want to use it! |
| 21:08.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Done. |
| 21:08.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: remove unused files |
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| 21:12.51 | herby | hi there, can someone give me a hint on how to get gps working?! I just received my FR and got the 2008.9 image installed. (the gps bug should be removed, but i removed my memory card just to make sure... i dont know)... |
| 21:13.35 | herby | (some minutes ago I even left my house to make sure its not because of anything inside the walls that might block the signal) |
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| 21:14.18 | lindi- | herby: 2008.9 uses 'gpsd'? |
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| 21:14.40 | herby | lindi-: I dont know. how can i find out? |
| 21:14.51 | herby | (there's no shell...) |
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| 21:15.28 | lindi- | herby: ah, you need to get shell :) |
| 21:15.51 | lindi- | herby: check the wiki for usb networking instructions first? i think you need to reboot once for ssh keys to be generated |
| 21:16.20 | herby | okay... I thought GPS would be available out of the box... :-/ |
| 21:16.41 | herby | yeah, so I will have to connect it via usb finally anyways... :) |
| 21:16.42 | herby | thanks. |
| 21:18.51 | lindi- | herby: let me know when you have ssh working |
| 21:20.12 | herby | okay. |
| 21:30.08 | herby | lindi-: can you tell me why I can ping the FR but I cannot ssh it (no route to host) didnt find anything at the wiki... (sure I could search the net instead of asking you - but that would take more time... ) |
| 21:30.31 | herby | (sometimes it can be better to just ask someone for help...) |
| 21:30.33 | herby | :) |
| 21:30.40 | lindi- | herby: how does tcpdump output differ in those two cases? |
| 21:31.38 | herby | (installing tcpdump... never used it before... so. I dont know.) |
| 21:32.37 | lindi- | herby: alternatively you could just put output of "route -n" online somewhere and see if we can guess the problem |
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| 21:34.15 | herby | http://rafb.net/p/1qQYku12.html this is what tcpdump showed me... |
| 21:35.03 | herby | oh... i guess its because my internet connection has the same subnet :-/ |
| 21:35.10 | herby | its 192.168.0.xxx |
| 21:35.11 | lindi- | herby: very good guess |
| 21:35.23 | herby | (didnt notice while typing.. |
| 21:35.24 | herby | ) |
| 21:35.52 | lindi- | herby: however, why does ping work? |
| 21:36.10 | herby | hmm I cant set the netconfig on the FR to another value... can I ? :) |
| 21:36.36 | herby | (guess I got to change my router values then..) |
| 21:36.47 | lindi- | herby: surely you can |
| 21:36.51 | lindi- | herby: i have it at 192.168.4.0/24 |
| 21:37.37 | frankS2 | any new OM coming out soon? with bugfixes? |
| 21:37.37 | herby | I havent found any menu entry at the FR (settings), where do I change thar? |
| 21:37.39 | herby | that? |
| 21:38.13 | lindi- | herby: "grep -r 192.168.0.200 /etc" to find out where it is configured |
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| 21:38.37 | lindi- | herby: (I'm running different distro now) |
| 21:39.26 | herby | lindi-: ... oohh.. yes.../etc/interfaces.. but I only have the preinstalled image 2008.9 on the FR and no shell or something... never connected it to my comp before... so I guess I have to change my router values... :-/ |
| 21:40.14 | lindi- | herby: yeah change it temporarily |
| 21:40.34 | lindi- | herby: or: change it in the image on your PC and then reflash the image |
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| 21:46.12 | herby | nice idea... how long does it take to flash the image? |
| 21:46.46 | lindi- | herby: can't remember accurately since i haven't done that for a long time. 8-16 minutes maybe |
| 21:47.32 | herby | oh okay,... then i will do it with the router...config... I will install debian in the next days anyways ;) |
| 21:47.40 | herby | (debian rulez :p ) |
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| 21:48.20 | lindi- | herby: unfortunately there are still kernel, gsmd and X issues that hunt all distributions |
| 21:48.55 | lindi- | (maybe i should have written *gsmd since i run ogsmd which is part of frameworkd) |
| 21:49.39 | herby | yes have heard so already... I dont understand why theres not only one distribution and everyone installs the wanted programms oder the wanted config files.... (at least no different drivers are needed..) |
| 21:49.54 | herby | (so there wouldnt be different distros anymore..) |
| 21:52.45 | lindi- | herby: there are many theories. note that the first device had only 64 M of flash. no way to put debian there |
| 21:54.07 | herby | but didnt the first device has a sd card slot too? |
| 21:54.15 | herby | (i dont know...) |
| 21:56.16 | lindi- | herby: sure but maybe they did not see it as an option to put the main OS there |
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| 22:11.14 | herbert | Hi Lindi- now I got my FR connected via ssh... :) (my name was herby some minutes before) |
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| 22:11.37 | tessier | Hello all! |
| 22:11.58 | lindi- | herbert: good, now you can "ps axuf" and see if "gsmd" is running |
| 22:12.12 | herbert | ahh right.. |
| 22:12.17 | tessier | It's been a couple months since I last flashed my phone. I think I put FDOM on it. What's the best general purpose real world use phone distro to load these days? |
| 22:12.28 | tessier | I might also want to do some light custom development on it. |
| 22:12.45 | herbert | lindi-: yes - gpsd is running... (not good?!) |
| 22:12.59 | lindi- | herbert: good, that should be talking to gps |
| 22:13.14 | lindi- | herbert: can you "netcat localhost gpsd"? |
| 22:14.20 | herbert | lindi-: when I start the included gps application calle "location" I always get the message "error unable to locate a fix" although I waited about half an hour it couldt get a fix. |
| 22:14.44 | herbert | (in the wiki is mentioned that it takes 10min and longer if its the first time..) |
| 22:15.47 | lindi- | herbert: lets talk to gpsd manualyl |
| 22:16.29 | herbert | lindi-: sounds nice,... is there a howto for that? (I never have used gps before) |
| 22:16.49 | toggles_w | http://www.fosdem.org/2009/schedule/events/debian_openmoko does this mean eveyone is moving from oe? |
| 22:16.53 | lindi- | herbert: 'man gpsd' documents the one-letter commands |
| 22:16.58 | lindi- | herbert: P gives your position |
| 22:17.04 | lindi- | herbert: D current date |
| 22:17.25 | herbert | lindi-: thanks a lot !! |
| 22:17.33 | lindi- | herbert: y gives you signal strengths of all satellites |
| 22:20.23 | herbert | lindi-: wow.. gpsd isnt running ! :) I thought it would, but now I see that my command " ps -aux | grep gpsd" only found 'itself' running ... |
| 22:21.00 | herbert | (trying to "find / -name gpsd) |
| 22:21.53 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Can anyone in here read simplified chinese? I have this png graphic of chinese, and I don't read chinese... Could someone translate it for me by any chance? |
| 22:22.36 | toggles_w | damn, zhone to the rescue again... |
| 22:22.40 | lindi- | herbert: is gpsd installed? |
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| 22:23.56 | herbert | honestly.. I dont know ... |
| 22:24.27 | herbert | (but maybe not - because I cannot call "man gpsd" , but I cannot call "man man" either :-/ ) |
| 22:24.59 | herbert | and I guess that I have to use the portforwarding script (iptables) to get the internetconnection for the FR .... hmm. |
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| 22:34.35 | lindi- | herbert: opkg list_installed or something? |
| 22:34.51 | lindi- | herbert: i'm not sure if om2008.2 does man pages |
| 22:36.40 | herbert | lindi-: I did "opkg list_installed | grep 'gpsd' " and ...no. not installed. |
| 22:38.12 | herbert | stupid thing that I somehow cannot install new software because I got no internet connection ...although I did the iptables postrouting and masquerading thing from the wiki ( from the FR i cannot ping google for example) |
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| 22:39.21 | herbert | I guess the portforwarding doesnt really work on my linuxbox.. |
| 22:49.25 | herbert | lindi-: eehm.. thanks for your help again, now I just found this ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS ) so I guess I will go off this channel I start to read, so I dont ask things which are already answered or explained in the wiki :) |
| 22:49.37 | lindi- | herbert: heh |
| 22:50.05 | lindi- | herbert: beware that wiki still has some outdated pages |
| 22:50.22 | herbert | oh... okay... |
| 22:51.30 | herbert | but as I dont have the gpsd installed... I have to install it first to test gps (why dont the install gpsd from factory...) the openmoko location programm doesnt even tell me that gpsd isnt installed! |
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| 22:52.18 | herbert | (first I got to get the iptables forwarding and masquerading script working... to get some internet for the FR) |
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| 23:11.05 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03timo.lindfors 07framework * r0e9c3b83c01c 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: |
| 23:11.05 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: apply workaround for |
| 23:11.05 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571890 |
| 23:11.05 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: that causes frameworkd to print |
| 23:11.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ppp error: "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable\n" |
| 23:11.09 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: every time a GPRS connection is started. |
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| 23:13.36 | damkor | hi, I'm trying to make debian run by default when I turn my FR on, but all I see is a white screen that fades out and then the FR reboots. If my usb cable is plugged in, then it gets locked at the OpenMoko screen (before the kernel gets loaded) |
| 23:14.22 | damkor | the boot partition is ext2 (used to be fat, but I changed it) |
| 23:14.26 | damkor | any suggestions? |
| 23:18.48 | herbert | juhuu :) got internet on my FR :) |
| 23:19.16 | herbert | oh no :( just thought so ... *sigh* |
| 23:24.27 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r0c47ceb0b38c 10/mickeyterm/TODO: update TODO |
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| 23:38.20 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: todo: update todo?? *giggle* |
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| 23:38.58 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: recursion -> see recursion |
| 23:39.57 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:41.05 | damkor | hi |
| 23:41.15 | damkor | is there sb who can help me with my problem? |
| 23:41.32 | damkor | I'm pretty sure this is something 'common', but I cannot figure out a solution |
| 23:41.33 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: how's FSO loading alsa scenarios atm? exec "alsactl" ? |
| 23:41.50 | damkor | I lack some basic skills on communicating with my FR and debugging boot problems |
| 23:42.31 | docscrutinizer2 | err, syscall() prolly, not exec |
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| 23:43.12 | mickeyl | yes, via alsactl |
| 23:43.15 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: enyway, is "alsactl" hardcoded? |
| 23:44.21 | docscrutinizer2 | could you consider renaming this to some "generic" name and provide a script/executable that actually calls alsactl |
| 23:44.56 | mickeyl | what for? |
| 23:45.41 | docscrutinizer2 | the script would basically be a 2liner for now: shebang plus "alsactl $@" |
| 23:46.23 | mickeyl | i can do that although it's not necessary, since you can achieve the same by modifying a .py file (cleartext) |
| 23:46.34 | mickeyl | what do you want to achieve at the end of the day? |
| 23:46.42 | docscrutinizer2 | (what for) to replace clumsy alsastate by a more virtuous concept |
| 23:46.54 | mickeyl | ah, i figured that |
| 23:47.04 | mickeyl | it's not compiled code, just change the line for now |
| 23:47.10 | mickeyl | i will tell you where |
| 23:47.43 | mickeyl | /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py |
| 23:48.12 | mickeyl | in lines 316 |
| 23:48.17 | mickeyl | and 341 |
| 23:48.26 | mickeyl | there you can assemble your cmdline as you need |
| 23:48.27 | docscrutinizer2 | if that's ok for you, basically. for now I can get away with placing my own alsactl script somewhere early in the path (if that's no FQN in FSO) |
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| 23:50.55 | docscrutinizer2 | or even rename alsactl to *_orig |
| 23:53.26 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: what do you think about the idea to put some work into that in general? |
| 23:54.55 | docscrutinizer2 | mickeyl: I mustn't ask "what do you think of my concept" as I'm still about to plumb sth together that avoids some of alsastate drawbacks |
| 23:55.58 | mickeyl | we thought quite some time about this |
| 23:56.19 | docscrutinizer2 | basic idea being mixersettings aka scenarios aren't mutually exclusive but rather kinda additive |
| 23:56.24 | mickeyl | we were planning to do something such as incremental changes |
| 23:56.32 | mickeyl | diff's to states |
| 23:56.35 | docscrutinizer2 | with resource locks |
| 23:56.51 | docscrutinizer2 | yup kinda like that |
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| 23:57.08 | docscrutinizer2 | just setting needed controlls via amixer |
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| 23:57.24 | mickeyl | using full scenarios seems overkill |
| 23:57.29 | docscrutinizer2 | locking each single control |
| 23:57.31 | mickeyl | combinorical explosion for states |
| 23:57.35 | mickeyl | so |
| 23:57.38 | mickeyl | i think this work is much appreciated |
| 23:57.42 | docscrutinizer2 | exactly |
| 23:57.50 | simoo | hi i have the fso distro installed and can ssh to it but it can't access the internet can anyone help? |
| 23:58.11 | docscrutinizer2 | imagine recording a phonecall |
| 23:59.18 | playya | can we add inotify on the states? i copied a statefile into the directory but i had to restart the frameworkd |