| 00:00.59 | ajuonline | lindi-: I have something as "Openmoko Phone User" as well, if thats what you are trying to ask? |
| 00:01.13 | ajuonline | forgive me, i am sleep deprived atm :P |
| 00:01.29 | lindi- | ajuonline: i'm trying to ask that i'm developing other distro :) |
| 00:02.09 | ajuonline | lindi-: ok. I have considered all distros. i understand now what you mean. |
| 00:02.28 | ajuonline | lindi-: you saying that you dont work on the OM? but other i guess debian? |
| 00:03.03 | lindi- | ajuonline: yeah |
| 00:03.30 | ajuonline | lindi-: ok i think i should re-word it then :) |
| 00:03.48 | lindi- | ajuonline: i test and debug debian and few pieces of software that are not in debian |
| 00:04.05 | lindi- | ajuonline: the trouble is that 'openmoko' means so many things :) |
| 00:04.44 | ajuonline | lindi-: yes I get it now :) thanks for pointing out. |
| 00:04.45 | lindi- | ajuonline: also it might be useful to specify what kind of disaster you are talking about |
| 00:05.12 | lindi- | ajuonline: if there is massive panic then GSM will of course be blocked |
| 00:05.52 | ajuonline | lindi-: are you talking about the question which asks which medium works? best? |
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| 00:06.24 | lindi- | ajuonline: "What features/capabilities of a smart hand-held device you think can be most utilized or beneficial in such a situation, if they are present?" |
| 00:07.07 | lindi- | ajuonline: i mean, gps is useful if i do not know where I am, might be useful in a plane crash |
| 00:07.09 | jc | goddamit.. new kernels squashfs is backward incompatible with images generated from old tools. and the new mkfs.squashfs can be only found on theyr cvs :/ |
| 00:07.53 | ajuonline | lindi-: so i guess, i should add a note on what kind of "situation" we are dealing with right? |
| 00:08.03 | jc | hmm... |
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| 00:08.20 | lindi- | ajuonline: not sure, i am just commenting that it kind of depends on the situation |
| 00:09.01 | ajuonline | lindi-: yeah, thanks for pointing that out too. I am adding a terminology in the beginning. Mentioning the kind of disasters Sahana addresses. |
| 00:10.32 | jc | does it really matter ? its pretty handy to have a small computer around in general.. |
| 00:10.37 | lindi- | ajuonline: what is sahana? |
| 00:10.39 | lindi- | :) |
| 00:11.18 | ajuonline | lindi-: FOSS Disaster management system |
| 00:11.29 | jc | hmm just to compare.. portage tree in squashfs 3.4: 44MB, in squashfs 4.0: 44MB |
| 00:11.32 | jc | interesting... |
| 00:12.27 | lindi- | ajuonline: bit abstract, is that something that everyone is supposed to use or just government? |
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| 00:14.13 | ajuonline | lindi-: government, ngos all parties working in relief work. but some info is accessible by public as well. depending on if the govt wants them to know about it :) |
| 00:15.56 | jc | and then theres the backdoor of course |
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| 00:20.19 | ajuonline | lindi-: changes made :) |
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| 00:22.08 | jc | goddamit |
| 00:22.09 | jc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.11 | jc | wtf |
| 00:30.19 | jc | the wifi module has a mips processor inside of it ?? |
| 00:30.22 | jc | heretics ! :D |
| 00:30.48 | shellevi1 | There are IIRC 7 processors in the FR |
| 00:30.57 | jc | yeah but the mips one is new for me |
| 00:31.21 | shellevi1 | The SoC, two in the GSM module, the bluetooth module, the wifi module, a RISC processor in the glamo, and one I forgot |
| 00:31.30 | jc | I've just bumped into ar6k reg definitions and there they are, mips registers |
| 00:31.48 | jc | the gps |
| 00:31.52 | jc | has arm7tdmi in it |
| 00:31.53 | shellevi1 | ah yes |
| 00:31.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | shellevi1: lol - I'd say glamo alone has 7 procs |
| 00:32.23 | shellevi1 | DocScrutinizer: yes - hard to call that one without public docs :) |
| 00:32.24 | jc | and you wonder how this thing can draw 200mA in idle |
| 00:33.01 | mwester | lindi-: do I understand you wish a tool that can monitor and timestamp serial-port traffic at the kernel/UART boundary? |
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| 00:33.20 | jc | I want my wifi module not to fail sdio probe :/ |
| 00:33.36 | jc | latest andy-tracking checkout has wifi broken apparently |
| 00:37.07 | jc | anyone bumped into this problem ? |
| 00:37.21 | jc | sdio_ar6000: probe of mmc1:0001:1 failed with error -4 |
| 00:37.30 | jc | git log gives me no clue.. |
| 00:40.12 | lindi- | mwester: it probably can be done i userland too i hope |
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| 00:41.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | hardly |
| 00:42.15 | jc | why couldnt they hook the wifi module via spi :/ |
| 00:43.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | jc: werner will tell a nice story ;-) |
| 00:44.06 | jc | DocScrutinizer, and where is he ? :D |
| 00:44.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~seen wpwrak |
| 00:44.25 | apt | i haven't seen 'wpwrak', DocScrutinizer2 |
| 00:44.27 | jc | DocScrutinizer2 sorry |
| 00:44.37 | jc | well then.. |
| 00:44.57 | jc | anyone wanting to share the andy-tracking revision they are using that has wifi working? :D |
| 00:44.57 | mwester | lindi-: for test generation, I suspect it could. I just thought I'd mention that I have a (big) patch that I've used with serial and GSM debugging that instruments the serial driver, and collects the characters, special events (GSM interrupt, UART errors, suspend/resume events) along with time stamps and places it all in a ring-buffer in the kernel for users to dump out. |
| 00:45.12 | lindi- | mwester: yep i read that |
| 00:45.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | jc: try cdevel |
| 00:45.31 | jc | or whatever kernel where everything works.. |
| 00:45.48 | jc | DocScrutinizer2, is that another branch ? |
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| 00:47.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | #openmoko-cdevel |
| 00:47.29 | jc | thanks |
| 00:48.24 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r46b87b80b73e 10/src/main.vala: add timestamps in debug output |
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| 02:59.00 | jc | wifi is working after suspend in bleeding edge andy-tracking :P |
| 02:59.20 | jc | celebrates |
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| 03:14.06 | slaxxin | gotta link? |
| 03:14.44 | jc | slaxxin, what link ? |
| 03:17.50 | slaxxin | where is andy-tracking? |
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| 03:23.22 | jc | slaxxin, http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 03:23.31 | kd8ikt | the kernel? i think downloads.openmoko.org/kernel.git/ |
| 03:23.53 | Dave | jc, lucky you :P |
| 03:24.07 | jc | want an image? :P |
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| 03:24.12 | kd8ikt | http://git.openmoko.org/ |
| 03:24.32 | jc | there are no prebuilt images I would know of |
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| 04:19.06 | create_vibe | :( |
| 04:19.16 | create_vibe | my fr keeps telling me my sim is missing |
| 04:32.38 | create_vibe | No phone call is possible. Reasons GSM phone is not registered. Missing SIM |
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| 04:46.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | create_vibe: and? isert one? ;) |
| 04:47.02 | create_vibe | yes, I have |
| 04:47.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | tried with a different type of card (preferrably very old one?) |
| 04:47.51 | create_vibe | ya |
| 04:48.08 | create_vibe | old cingular card transfered to att |
| 04:48.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | maybe notorious "3G" issue hit you |
| 04:48.14 | create_vibe | my card is att |
| 04:48.27 | create_vibe | it is a 3g card, but it falls back to gsm |
| 04:48.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | see wiki topic gsm-flashing |
| 04:49.19 | create_vibe | oh sweet |
| 04:49.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | moko8 modem firmware doesn't work with a number of modern cards |
| 04:49.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | moko10 is fixing that |
| 04:50.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | lots of happy customers ;D |
| 04:50.14 | create_vibe | so i should get moko10? |
| 04:50.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | read wiki yeah |
| 04:50.39 | create_vibe | i am, but it says it's not recommended |
| 04:50.41 | create_vibe | hehe |
| 04:50.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't get scraed by the warnings |
| 04:51.01 | create_vibe | hehe |
| 04:51.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | I wrote this to stop too headless update junkies |
| 04:52.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | we never seen any *serious* problems as long as you are carefully following instructions |
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| 04:59.16 | create_vibe | hmm, i can't seem to get any internet connection |
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| 05:11.15 | orzo | qtextended is able to read sms messages |
| 05:11.24 | orzo | but i cant do it with at commands in mickeyterm |
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| 09:18.22 | niv | mh.. cool, if i enable gprs in debian, my mmc-card drvier crashes after about 10 seconds |
| 09:19.19 | PaulFert1er | niv: with kernel oops? What kernel version are you using? |
| 09:19.55 | niv | 2.6.28 |
| 09:20.26 | niv | well its the current debian kernel from yesterday.. |
| 09:20.32 | PaulFert1er | niv: but what are the symptoms of crash? |
| 09:20.50 | niv | input/output errors on almost every command |
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| 09:21.13 | niv | and i can't halt the system or reboot it. |
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| 09:21.37 | PaulFert1er | niv: but no oops? Have you tried to lower the sd clock on boot? |
| 09:21.49 | niv | how do i do that? |
| 09:22.56 | niv | i just try again and look for any oops |
| 09:23.30 | PaulFert1er | niv: you can try something like that: glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 |
| 09:24.15 | niv | where do i put that? in the uboot-config? |
| 09:25.37 | PaulFert1er | niv: you should append that to kernel command line. I've no idea what uboot-config is? If you use u-boot, there's an environment variable that is passed to kernel for command line. |
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| 09:26.22 | dns | isn't it set by sysctl? |
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| 09:27.02 | PaulFert1er | dns: nope, i think that can't be reasonable tweaked while running. |
| 09:27.24 | niv | mh.. looks like i have no oops this time. |
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| 09:27.52 | niv | and no input/output error |
| 09:28.50 | PaulFert1er | niv: lowering max clock frequency helped many people with strange sd i/o errors, so you better give it a try next time you have problems. BTW, sd clock is 8 times slower when using GPS anyway. |
| 09:29.15 | niv | ah.. interesting. |
| 09:30.16 | PaulFert1er | niv: that's workaround for broken hardware. The value is also tweakable via kernel command line. Take a look at linux-2.6/drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-mci.c |
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| 09:32.32 | niv | PaulFert1er: thanks alot |
| 09:32.56 | PaulFert1er | niv: HTH |
| 09:33.20 | niv | i never thought that it would work just now :) |
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| 09:36.52 | emilis_info | hi, how do I turn display backlight off from the command line? |
| 09:37.13 | PaulFert1er | niv: btw, it's possible that some card works in cardreader without any tricks but requires lower clock on FR. I can say that one of the explanations would be that FR supports lower voltages than, e.g. sdhci, and if the card errorneously claims that it can work with low voltage, it can have problems with higher frequencies. |
| 09:37.36 | PaulFert1er | niv: though this theory was never verified |
| 09:37.52 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: distro-dependent |
| 09:37.54 | niv | mh.. could be. |
| 09:38.00 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, om2008.12 |
| 09:38.19 | niv | this is a 8 gb sdhci |
| 09:39.07 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: then i don't know and don't care. Not interested in dead distributions. |
| 09:39.24 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, what is a non dead distribution then? |
| 09:39.30 | PaulFert1er | niv: i use an 8Gb sdhc without problems, so it can be a problem with particular model. |
| 09:39.49 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: debian, fso/shr, probably h:1 |
| 09:40.09 | niv | PaulFert1er: 8 GB kingston... ehm.... now i should take a look on the invoice.. |
| 09:40.32 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, can I safely install them and boot with usb working and without screen? My screen is broken |
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| 09:40.42 | niv | perhaps these problems where just yesterday.. |
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| 09:42.28 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: then i think debian is the best choice. SHR is gui programs around framework, FSO is demo-image with framework. Debian includes framework as well and you can access it with dbus calls. |
| 09:42.42 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: what are you going to use your FR without screen for? |
| 09:42.53 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, as a web server over wifi |
| 09:42.55 | emilis_info | :) |
| 09:43.30 | emilis_info | what else can you use it for without a working screen |
| 09:43.31 | emilis_info | :) |
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| 09:44.02 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: i still suggest debian :) |
| 09:44.12 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: is changing screen practically impossible? |
| 09:44.30 | emilis_info | the screen is completely broken |
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| 09:44.51 | emilis_info | it was my fault, I cannot hope for a warranty replacement |
| 09:45.03 | emilis_info | I think I will try debian |
| 09:46.12 | emilis_info | however AFAIK debian installs onto the SD card, which will be hard to boot without a screen |
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| 09:46.30 | lindi- | emilis_info: hard to boot without screen? |
| 09:47.02 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: you can also hook some cool device via usb to it and use for remote monitoring |
| 09:47.26 | emilis_info | well... if it boots from the card I'll have to remember how many times I have to press aux and power buttons to boot it |
| 09:47.50 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: and you can even send sms or connect via gprs and control you cool remote sensor or smth like that |
| 09:48.27 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: just use Qi, it boots from the card by default. Or tweak you u-boot env via usb ACM to boot from SD. |
| 09:48.46 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, I could, but what I really need is an always-on wifi linux box at home |
| 09:49.06 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: but is changing screen technically possible? If yes, i think you can somehow buy a spare one from OM. |
| 09:49.57 | emilis_info | I think that would be too expensive, since I'm not going to use the device as a phone anyway |
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| 09:52.33 | emilis_info | so... anyone knows how to diable backlight from command line on om2008.12? :-) |
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| 09:55.23 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: kill qpe and all other stupid stuff and use sysfs node at /sys/class/backlight |
| 09:56.30 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, hmmm ps aux | grep qpe shows nothing |
| 09:56.48 | emilis_info | I have disabled X already if you meant that |
| 09:56.59 | emilis_info | thanks for the /sys/class/backlight |
| 09:57.53 | niv | is there any app like ekiga for sipgate? |
| 09:58.23 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: if you don't need debian package management and happy with OE distro, don't need gsm functinality at all, then 2008.x will work as well. Just use a new kernel, .24 has some known problems. |
| 09:58.38 | niv | (yes, that would be overkill, but that is still on my todo-list) |
| 09:59.06 | emilis_info | PaulFert1er, thanks for advice |
| 09:59.17 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: you know that ar6000 can't be used for hostapd, don't you? Too bad, but there's no hope it will change. |
| 09:59.52 | emilis_info | I had my screen broken two months ago, but the wifi was very unstable in all distros back then |
| 10:00.10 | emilis_info | or I have a faulty device |
| 10:00.22 | emilis_info | gsm also never worked reliably |
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| 10:02.42 | PaulFert1er | emilis_info: new kernel and sometimes wmiconfig --maxperf improves wifi reliability. GSM works more and more reliable as FSO evolves. I use it as the only phone (though i'm not an active cell phone user). |
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| 10:19.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 11:45.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r29c55045ca9c 10/autogen.sh: don't use gnome-autogen in autogen.sh |
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| 11:46.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r86393335a5fc 10/autogen.sh: don't use gnome-autogen |
| 11:47.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rb91e852ba513 10/autogen.sh: don't use gnome-autogen |
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| 12:24.38 | panicking | Hi all |
| 12:24.48 | panicking | I have a question |
| 12:24.55 | panicking | i write a daemon for android |
| 12:24.59 | panicking | to open mux channel |
| 12:25.04 | panicking | and I would like to use |
| 12:25.10 | panicking | in basic mode |
| 12:25.15 | panicking | at 115200 |
| 12:25.20 | panicking | so I have |
| 12:25.23 | panicking | this error |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): AT |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): OK |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): at send ATZ |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): OK |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): at send ATE0 |
| 12:25.31 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): OK |
| 12:25.35 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): at send AT+CFUN=0 |
| 12:25.37 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): OK |
| 12:25.39 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): at send AT+CMUX=0,0,5,31 |
| 12:25.41 | panicking | D/gsm_mux ( 831): ERROR |
| 12:25.43 | panicking | 5 is correct |
| 12:25.45 | panicking | for that speed |
| 12:25.50 | panicking | What is the wrong value |
| 12:25.51 | panicking | ? |
| 12:25.56 | panicking | in the CMUX command |
| 12:25.56 | panicking | ? |
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| 12:31.46 | panicking | maybe the basic mode is not supported |
| 12:31.46 | panicking | ? |
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| 12:34.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rc76918f3771c 10/ (autogen.sh src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala): |
| 12:34.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Added GLib.Object prerequisite to generated interfaces. |
| 12:34.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Manage registered C and Vala names. |
| 12:34.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 12:41.07 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r010c15361861 10/docs/ogsmd/lessons: start document for 'lessons learned' to guide us for version 2.x |
| 12:41.09 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc9763cf52b76 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: |
| 12:41.09 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Fix oscillating power LED. On some devices, peripherals are connected directly to the battery, |
| 12:41.09 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: which means they can _not_ drag power from USB. Hence, the battery needs to be recharged frequently, |
| 12:41.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: even while it is full. To cover up for this, we do not send the 'charging' signal if the last status was |
| 12:41.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: full. |
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| 12:43.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rdab93d2e0643 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: |
| 12:43.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Handle get_type registered name. |
| 12:43.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 12:45.39 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r515b3d9d777a 10/src/fso-dbus-interfaces.vala: |
| 12:45.39 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Added GLib.Object to generated interfaces. |
| 12:45.39 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 12:49.44 | niv | anyones wifi working on freerunner with debian? |
| 12:50.47 | Defiant- | yes |
| 12:51.17 | niv | which is the name of the interface? |
| 12:51.21 | Defiant- | eth0 |
| 12:51.48 | niv | i don't get the interface enabled... |
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| 12:51.50 | niv | not really. |
| 12:52.01 | Defiant- | niv: because? |
| 12:52.16 | Defiant- | niv: What does iwconfig/ifconfig say? |
| 12:52.27 | niv | hang on.. |
| 12:53.04 | niv | just installing wireless-tools.. |
| 12:53.16 | niv | i get no eth0 in dmesg |
| 12:53.24 | niv | so i wonder if i miss something. |
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| 12:54.48 | Defiant- | niv: dmesg? |
| 12:54.55 | niv | ok, according to ifconfig -a and iwconfig, there is no eth0 |
| 12:55.11 | Defiant- | niv: aah probvably not powered |
| 12:55.25 | niv | yes... and how do i power it up? |
| 12:55.34 | niv | ... in zhone probably? |
| 12:55.39 | Defiant- | You could use openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 12:55.44 | niv | ok... |
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| 12:56.47 | Defiant- | niv: from the shell "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1" should do it |
| 12:57.07 | niv | i just enabled my openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 12:57.46 | niv | uh yeah... there are the symbols.. |
| 12:58.44 | niv | cool... |
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| 13:00.20 | bergelin | does anyone know which package i need to enable support for the python gzip library? i have enabled scaredycat's repositories |
| 13:01.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r862580f5d362 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: |
| 13:01.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: parser: add AlwaysUnsolicitedParser, a low level parser that treats certain responses always |
| 13:01.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: as unsolicited (based on prefix matching); useful for modems which do not support deferring |
| 13:01.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: unsolicited responses between sending a query and returning the (solicited) |
| 13:01.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: response -- such as the TI Calypso with regards to +CRING, +CLIP, and %CPI. |
| 13:01.35 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r715d20e41d97 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 13:01.38 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] use AlwaysUnsolicitedParser on all channels. |
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| 13:01.40 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Closes FSO #334 |
| 13:02.58 | mickeyl | bergelin: python-compression |
| 13:03.23 | bergelin | thanks a lot mickeyl :) |
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| 14:07.18 | toggles_w | max_posedon: sweet, saw your message, rebooted, now gprs calls work, failing on `pppd: tcflush bad fd` for some reason, but way cool it's getting somewhere now! |
| 14:09.04 | max_posedon | Oh, I forgot give you link to another bug) |
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| 14:10.31 | max_posedon | toggles_w, http://max_posedon@shr-project.org/trac/ticket/310 |
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| 14:12.08 | max_posedon | toggles_w, modprobe ppp-generic || echo ppp-generic > /etc/<some path for modules loaded at boot>/ppp-generic |
| 14:13.02 | max_posedon | toggles_w, btw, start logread -f before connecting, it will give you more debug info. |
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| 14:16.37 | jordi_ | Hi |
| 14:17.05 | jordi_ | is there any movile running openmoko with photo/video camera? |
| 14:18.30 | SpeedEvil | you mean on a camera? |
| 14:18.45 | SpeedEvil | Or you mean videos of openmoko in action? |
| 14:18.48 | SpeedEvil | youtube |
| 14:18.55 | jordi_ | on a camera |
| 14:19.00 | jordi_ | not youtube |
| 14:19.05 | SpeedEvil | no, alas not. |
| 14:19.16 | jordi_ | ok |
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| 14:19.22 | SpeedEvil | That'd be nice. |
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| 14:19.36 | SpeedEvil | But at the moment it barely works on the main hardware. |
| 14:19.55 | jordi_ | ok, thx |
| 14:20.06 | SpeedEvil | would love a OM camera. |
| 14:20.16 | LittleIdiot | well, most of today's "cameras" in todays phones aren't worth it anyway |
| 14:20.26 | d-b | LittleIdiot: grab an webcam |
| 14:20.27 | SpeedEvil | LittleIdiot: no - in a proper camera |
| 14:20.38 | d-b | usb plug and pray ^^ |
| 14:20.39 | SpeedEvil | LittleIdiot: like a nice 10MP camera - running OM. |
| 14:20.48 | LittleIdiot | hehe ;) |
| 14:20.51 | d-b | SpeedEvil: there is a sony camera 12mp running linux |
| 14:20.57 | d-b | with wifi |
| 14:21.00 | LittleIdiot | well the freerunner can do usb host |
| 14:21.07 | d-b | LittleIdiot: yep ^^ |
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| 14:21.30 | SpeedEvil | LittleIdiot: which might do something like take pictures every 10 mins, and if your phone comes in range, upload them by bluetooth automatically for the ones showing motion in a certain area of the frame. |
| 14:21.36 | SpeedEvil | Or whatever. |
| 14:22.23 | SpeedEvil | Or take a pic, run OCR on that pic, and log the OCR results, and bluetooth them to a phone to send it. |
| 14:22.25 | d-b | SpeedEvil: mmm you mean like the 'motion' web server ? |
| 14:22.33 | SpeedEvil | d-b: basically - running on the camera |
| 14:22.47 | d-b | sorry "motion" |
| 14:23.12 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.12 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.12 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.12 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.22 | LittleIdiot | i use that one for my home while i'm away ;) |
| 14:26.14 | LittleIdiot | but you really need a good cam for that. cheap webcams tent to blur objects that are moving because they need a long time for processing |
| 14:27.06 | d-b | LittleIdiot: yeah combine it with motion on detect + twitter / email / sms |
| 14:27.07 | d-b | rofl |
| 14:29.15 | toggles_w | max_posedon: thanks, ppp_generic was loaded, i read the logs again, seems the connection was terminated, LCP terminated by peer (^K!), will read the wiki |
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| 14:30.07 | max_posedon | toggles_w, may be you should retry |
| 14:30.20 | max_posedon | as for me, I connected first time from 20th try! |
| 14:30.33 | toggles_w | max_posedon: seems it's known http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/T-Mobile_pppd_scripts |
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| 14:39.55 | bove_ | I can establish usb network between the freerunner and winxp, but can't ping or ssh from the pc. Any ideas? They both have unique IPs, and the freerunner even showed up in arp - a earlier |
| 14:41.28 | max_posedon | you have other ethernet 192.168.0.x network, don't you? |
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| 14:43.33 | bove_ | I've set both devices to 192.168.2.x |
| 14:49.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfeb85a67553d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: Implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetProviderList() -> a{is} |
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| 14:53.57 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf48bbddeadda 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetProviderList() |
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| 15:03.30 | bove_ | will jpeg encrease performance on a vnc server on the freerunner? Or will the cpu hit be more than the saved bandwidth? |
| 15:04.06 | SpeedEvil | the CPU is quite fast |
| 15:04.17 | SpeedEvil | unless you're talking fast wifi, probably not. |
| 15:05.13 | bove_ | k. any tips for lightweight vnc server with jpeg support? It doesn't seem to work with my installed x11vnc |
| 15:05.34 | SpeedEvil | I had no idea any supported jpeg - it seems odd, as it's lossy |
| 15:05.44 | SpeedEvil | but... |
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| 15:07.20 | bove_ | So do any support RLE? |
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| 15:12.01 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rde3f99c2dc22 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/modem.py: |
| 15:12.01 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: add timeout for COPN |
| 15:12.02 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: (NOTE: timeouts will soon be deprecated in favour of a global timeout...) |
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| 15:41.16 | slaxxin | wassa |
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| 15:50.51 | slaxxin | wassa |
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| 15:53.37 | henk | can anyone recommend a distribution image for flash that _works_? |
| 15:54.09 | max_posedon | Neo Freerunner, and _works_? Are you joking?) |
| 15:54.20 | max_posedon | Every image has smth broken inside. |
| 15:54.24 | henk | debian works just fine over here... |
| 15:54.47 | henk | didn't even notice a problem after the kernel upgrade yet... |
| 15:54.49 | max_posedon | debian or hackable:1? |
| 15:54.51 | henk | debian |
| 15:55.05 | henk | not using fso on it though... |
| 15:55.22 | henk | well, i'm not using most parts of fso i guess |
| 15:55.28 | max_posedon | gps/not echo bug/ its can't be, smth should be broken.) |
| 15:56.01 | henk | gps works with tangogps. as i'm not using it as a phone at all, i can't tell about echo bug. |
| 15:56.30 | slaxxin | well 2008.12 bytestore's image has been my phone for a month now |
| 15:57.04 | henk | hm ok, don't like om2008 |
| 15:57.21 | Defiant- | if gps works or not shouldn't have anything todo with tangogps since it all goes through gpsd |
| 15:57.23 | slaxxin | because it works? |
| 15:57.34 | Defiant- | om2008 just sucks |
| 15:58.02 | slaxxin | what sucks? |
| 15:58.04 | henk | Defiant-: i know. i use gpsd and tangogps and it works with that combination. that's what i meant. |
| 15:58.16 | Defiant- | om2008. Can't to any cool stuff with it |
| 15:58.21 | Defiant- | s/to/do |
| 15:58.24 | henk | slaxxin: the software. it was already obsolete when it came out 'g' |
| 15:58.26 | slaxxin | can too |
| 15:58.45 | max_posedon | Defiant-, you can install openoffice, isn't it cool for such device?) |
| 15:58.53 | Defiant- | max_posedon: lol? |
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| 15:59.15 | slaxxin | who needs open office on a freerunner |
| 15:59.41 | max_posedon | If I'm not mistaken om2008.12 contains openoffice as opkg package. |
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| 16:00.50 | Defiant- | ok distro is done...do we talk now about the editor? |
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| 16:01.16 | badcloud | heylo |
| 16:01.19 | henk | thought so :( |
| 16:01.34 | badcloud | can't %^& access the number field in the 'add contact' dialog |
| 16:01.37 | henk | so i need another sd card for hackable:1 i guess... |
| 16:01.45 | badcloud | shr unstable 9.2 |
| 16:01.56 | badcloud | (Feb9) |
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| 16:08.27 | slaxxin | 2008.12 bytestore is the best thing running |
| 16:09.37 | badcloud | how's it on call handling, suspend/resume? |
| 16:09.40 | slaxxin | all these "distros" need to have a stable release every month |
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| 16:10.25 | badcloud | I think I tried 2008.12 but got a console |
| 16:10.26 | slaxxin | comes out of suspend-resume without any problem --i use mwesters kernel |
| 16:11.07 | slaxxin | the bytestore image comes with lots of software |
| 16:11.11 | henk | they need to have stable releases... imho it's unbelievable what happened with the last shr and fso 'releases'... they should rather have been called 'untested and unmotivatedly packed software collection, might even work as a operating system but don't bet on it' |
| 16:11.26 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 16:11.40 | slaxxin | shr still sucketh |
| 16:11.50 | badcloud | that it does |
| 16:12.03 | slaxxin | but thats not to say bad things about shr |
| 16:12.14 | max_posedon | badcloud, btw, I can easyly access numbers on shr unstable 9.2 in add contact dialog |
| 16:12.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.30 | max_posedon | may be you just don't switch the keyboard? |
| 16:12.41 | badcloud | I tried switching keyb's |
| 16:12.51 | max_posedon | I tried right now - all work. |
| 16:13.11 | tig|1 | it was getting better but recently they seem to have regressed of certain functions, I am sure they will sort it out though |
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| 16:13.26 | slaxxin | phone functions great |
| 16:13.49 | badcloud | now I can access the number field |
| 16:13.55 | badcloud | but it won't tap back |
| 16:14.05 | toggles_w | anyone using the go phone plan? |
| 16:14.34 | slaxxin | no it sucks |
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| 16:14.53 | toggles_w | slaxxin: you talking to me? |
| 16:15.12 | slaxxin | yuo toggles |
| 16:15.39 | slaxxin | att go phone? |
| 16:16.33 | slaxxin | i tried to get t-mobile months ago but they couldnt evev get me a # |
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| 16:17.14 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.25 | slaxxin | so pfft |
| 16:18.48 | slaxxin | my ? is if u have an att go plan can u call/recieve calls from att customers without it using your minuits |
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| 16:22.08 | badcloud | max_posedon, it's not iffy? it switched easily for you each time? |
| 16:22.23 | max_posedon | yes. |
| 16:23.16 | badcloud | have you managed to install minimo? |
| 16:23.42 | max_posedon | no. |
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| 16:23.56 | badcloud | have you tried? |
| 16:23.56 | max_posedon | I don't install any package. |
| 16:24.00 | badcloud | I see |
| 16:26.05 | badcloud | any reason? |
| 16:26.43 | max_posedon | I don't need any of them right now, and much more focusing on gentoo) |
| 16:27.22 | badcloud | nice |
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| 16:36.30 | toggles_w | slaxxin: thkx, i have t-mobile sidekick, wont give me gprs, need to change plan, go phone looked cheap $40 unl internet and txt |
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| 16:47.56 | badcloud | sooo, on the whole, 2008.12 is a better release than the current shr unstable? |
| 16:49.35 | slaxxin | yes sir |
| 16:49.50 | slaxxin | shr is not released |
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| 16:50.04 | badcloud | well then, I'll go ahead and flash tomorrow |
| 16:50.06 | slaxxin | but soon it will be released |
| 16:50.19 | badcloud | I see what you mean |
| 16:50.46 | slaxxin | try the bytestore imae if u want working software |
| 16:51.24 | Defiant- | wasn't 2008.12 the discontinued thing? |
| 16:51.27 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.27 | badcloud | what does that image lack? |
| 16:51.41 | slaxxin | nothing |
| 16:51.49 | badcloud | I mean, what are it's drawbacks |
| 16:52.13 | slaxxin | it works is the only drawback i have seen:) |
| 16:52.48 | badcloud | ha |
| 16:52.54 | badcloud | that's no drawback |
| 16:52.55 | slaxxin | gps hooks in 5 minuits |
| 16:53.04 | badcloud | hooks? |
| 16:53.11 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.19 | badcloud | you mean it takes 5 minutes to register?? |
| 16:53.22 | slaxxin | connects# |
| 16:53.37 | Defiant- | I have badcloud less then 10 minutes with 2008 until he misses shr |
| 16:53.44 | Defiant- | s/have/give |
| 16:54.05 | slaxxin | i have badcloud 2 weeks |
| 16:54.26 | slaxxin | whats to miss but some calls |
| 16:54.29 | badcloud | hahaha |
| 16:54.46 | slaxxin | i havent missed any calls |
| 16:55.15 | slaxxin | 1 drawback is wifi is on by default |
| 16:55.34 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.38 | badcloud | yuck |
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| 16:55.49 | badcloud | I think I'll wait for the shr release |
| 16:56.01 | slaxxin | but i have went 3 days not rebooting |
| 16:56.05 | badcloud | most of everything has been *somewhat* ok under shr |
| 16:56.06 | slaxxin | lololol |
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| 16:56.48 | slaxxin | yea go ahead an but your head against the wall |
| 16:57.05 | slaxxin | till u get tired of it |
| 16:57.13 | slaxxin | then try |
| 16:57.34 | slaxxin | somewhat sucketh |
| 16:57.57 | badcloud | well, prob is, my main computer is down |
| 16:58.05 | badcloud | I'm borrowing this one from a friend |
| 16:58.09 | badcloud | xp-run |
| 16:58.14 | slaxxin | im tired of showing a cool phone that sucks |
| 16:58.16 | badcloud | can't boot from livecd |
| 16:58.33 | badcloud | what are you running on it, slaxxin? |
| 16:58.45 | slaxxin | on what/ |
| 16:58.53 | badcloud | phone |
| 16:59.16 | slaxxin | bytestore's modified 2008.12 |
| 16:59.25 | badcloud | ah |
| 16:59.27 | badcloud | so why sucks? |
| 16:59.40 | slaxxin | it doesnt suck at all |
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| 16:59.55 | badcloud | slaxxinim tired of showing a cool phone that sucks |
| 17:00.15 | badcloud | you wrote that |
| 17:00.18 | slaxxin | with all the other oss i have tried to use |
| 17:00.25 | badcloud | I see |
| 17:00.25 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.45 | slaxxin | but they will have it fixed soon |
| 17:00.57 | badcloud | does the 2008.12 image come with xserver? |
| 17:00.57 | slaxxin | i hope |
| 17:01.06 | slaxxin | yes |
| 17:01.20 | badcloud | well, then maybe it's worth a try |
| 17:01.46 | slaxxin | i flappin my lips i guess |
| 17:01.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.52 | badcloud | I tried flashing using mkfifo, wget -O -, and dfu-util... |
| 17:02.09 | badcloud | but that didn't work |
| 17:02.20 | badcloud | how would I go about flashing it using nfs? |
| 17:02.26 | slaxxin | whats up with dfu? |
| 17:02.33 | badcloud | ? |
| 17:02.58 | badcloud | dfu reported file size too small when wget kicked in |
| 17:03.03 | slaxxin | i have to ./dfu to get it to work on slackware |
| 17:03.12 | badcloud | me too |
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| 17:03.33 | badcloud | but slaxxin, any ideas about flashing a file on a nfs? |
| 17:03.57 | slaxxin | just downloaad the rootfs to "Home" then use dfu |
| 17:04.29 | badcloud | here's my setup: wireless router running slackware |
| 17:04.36 | slaxxin | cool |
| 17:04.41 | badcloud | hold on |
| 17:04.50 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 17:04.52 | badcloud | the network drive is via rasmus.uib.no |
| 17:05.15 | slaxxin | did u change the lan to 192.168.1.1? |
| 17:05.31 | badcloud | it's that by default |
| 17:05.40 | slaxxin | or is it still 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:05.46 | badcloud | 1.1 |
| 17:07.34 | badcloud | nm, I'll try to figure it out myself |
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| 17:29.15 | badcloud | what would be the standard procedure for mounting a samba drive via smbclient? |
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| 17:32.15 | kd8ikt | smbmount |
| 17:32.22 | WhiteCat | hey anybody have any info about GTA03 |
| 17:32.42 | badcloud | thanks |
| 17:33.52 | WhiteCat | any info on GTA03 release |
| 17:34.57 | kd8ikt | no |
| 17:35.02 | mwester | nothing beyond what's been on the mailing lists -- see the archives. |
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| 17:35.25 | kd8ikt | havent dev boards been around for awhile |
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| 17:38.10 | WhiteCat | hey i am planning to buy GTA02 ..shall I wait till the release of GTA03 |
| 17:38.30 | mickeyl | 02 i shere today |
| 17:38.35 | mickeyl | is here |
| 17:38.43 | mickeyl | 03 could be winter, or 2010 |
| 17:38.57 | WhiteCat | GTA02 have lots of probs in Hardware |
| 17:38.58 | mickeyl | and it might as well have fewer features than 02 |
| 17:39.05 | mickeyl | yes |
| 17:39.15 | WhiteCat | mainly the Battery life |
| 17:39.27 | mickeyl | that depends |
| 17:39.31 | mickeyl | i find battery life quite exciting |
| 17:39.39 | mickeyl | just doing a gsm standby test |
| 17:39.44 | mickeyl | 63h and counting, 10% battery left |
| 17:39.47 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: are you sure that the battery life is the main GTA02 problem? I doubt it. |
| 17:39.47 | WhiteCat | hw long does ur battery lasts |
| 17:40.04 | SpeedEvil | 02 has - for some people - unresolvable in software hardware bugs. |
| 17:40.07 | WhiteCat | there are few more with GSM n GPS |
| 17:40.10 | SpeedEvil | GSM buzz, for example. |
| 17:40.12 | baze | mickeyl: which features might not make it from 02 to 03? |
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| 17:40.20 | kd8ikt | nioce mickeyl |
| 17:40.30 | WhiteCat | uboot wont be there in 03 |
| 17:40.32 | mickeyl | baze: could everything except phone |
| 17:40.33 | kd8ikt | viva suspend |
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| 17:40.37 | mickeyl | gsm, that is |
| 17:40.40 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: there are reports that the CPU got changed after the dev boards arrived |
| 17:40.55 | kd8ikt | thats understandable |
| 17:41.04 | WhiteCat | also camera and EDGE gets added |
| 17:41.07 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: everything reasonable to make battery last longer except cpufreq is already there |
| 17:41.19 | SpeedEvil | cpufreq is already there? |
| 17:41.24 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 17:41.32 | SpeedEvil | suffered parsing failure. |
| 17:42.10 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 17:42.22 | SpeedEvil | was one I wrote out for GTA01 - most are still applicable for GTA02 |
| 17:42.30 | SpeedEvil | (methods of powersaving) |
| 17:42.32 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: #1024 and work-around for WSOD affect battery life too. Otherwise i don't think there're outstanding issues and battery life is reasonable. |
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| 17:42.54 | WhiteCat | wht do u mean by gsm stanby |
| 17:43.06 | WhiteCat | it means u wont be able 2 make calls |
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| 17:44.04 | mickeyl | gsm standby = device in full suspend, everything turned off except GSM waiting for calls |
| 17:44.17 | WhiteCat | okays |
| 17:44.26 | WhiteCat | means no GPS no WIFI |
| 17:44.32 | mickeyl | yes |
| 17:44.33 | mickeyl | and no CPU |
| 17:44.42 | WhiteCat | ohh |
| 17:44.48 | mickeyl | suspend... you know |
| 17:44.51 | SpeedEvil | With extreme slow clocking, the CPU may not actually suck that much juice. |
| 17:45.09 | SpeedEvil | But that's yet to be implemented. |
| 17:45.20 | WhiteCat | and i u want to listen some songs ..also with wifi turned on .hw long the battery lasts |
| 17:45.34 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: oh come on. Tell exactly what's bad with GTA02's powermanagement. Exactly which part sucks extra current and when. |
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| 17:45.36 | SpeedEvil | At worst ~5h |
| 17:45.52 | WhiteCat | not even a day |
| 17:46.08 | SpeedEvil | playing mp3 means most of it needs to be active |
| 17:46.14 | PaulFert1er | not even a month |
| 17:46.17 | SpeedEvil | At best ~20h with mp3. |
| 17:46.20 | PaulFert1er | not even a year |
| 17:46.25 | WhiteCat | does Nokia battery BL-5C works with 02 |
| 17:46.34 | SpeedEvil | (assuming optimistic stuff, and clocking down) |
| 17:46.39 | sicu | well, that rules out me then ... I always listen to music one month at a time |
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| 17:47.25 | mickeyl | bl-5c works, but without battery reading |
| 17:47.31 | mickeyl | since it's not a coloumb counting battery |
| 17:47.40 | mickeyl | and with much less battery life |
| 17:47.50 | mickeyl | (850mAh vs. 1200mAh) |
| 17:47.55 | WhiteCat | whats thar coloumb counting battery |
| 17:48.02 | mwester | knows that needs to be fixed, because his gta02 battery is hurting and he has only a BL-5C spare. |
| 17:48.04 | mickeyl | a battery that knows how full it is |
| 17:48.09 | mickeyl | and how long it takes to charge |
| 17:48.11 | mickeyl | and decharge |
| 17:48.21 | WhiteCat | ohh |
| 17:48.41 | WhiteCat | so can u charge a nokia battery in 02 |
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| 17:49.48 | WhiteCat | mickeyl -- any other Hardware issues in 02 |
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| 17:50.01 | mickeyl | slow graphics |
| 17:50.04 | mickeyl | flaky wlan |
| 17:50.19 | SpeedEvil | GSM buzz |
| 17:50.19 | mickeyl | but it's open and software is progressing nicely |
| 17:50.26 | SpeedEvil | (for some people) |
| 17:50.27 | mickeyl | and there are hardly any alternatives |
| 17:51.05 | WhiteCat | so the the hardware performance is totally depend on the software image which we use |
| 17:51.08 | SpeedEvil | Also, some complain about features. Lack of buttons forex. |
| 17:51.13 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: pretty much |
| 17:51.17 | PaulFert1er | SpeedEvil: gsm buzz is for everybody who finds himself in a less-than-ideal signal conditions |
| 17:51.32 | mickeyl | well it seems to also depend on the band |
| 17:51.33 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert1er: I thought that it wasn't a factor on some wavebands |
| 17:51.37 | bove2 | is arnv4t binaries compitable with armel? |
| 17:51.48 | WhiteCat | does gsm buzz is untolerable |
| 17:51.54 | mwester | but if bluetooth were ever to work correctly on all the distros, then the gsm buzz would be less of a problem (no buzz with bluetooth) |
| 17:51.58 | SpeedEvil | (at least, some people were reporting it never affected them at all in a wide variety of places) |
| 17:52.02 | mickeyl | bove2: well, one is specifiying endianess, the other a feature, so it's not comparable |
| 17:52.41 | WhiteCat | which image works best on 02 |
| 17:53.00 | bove2 | mickeyl: Im trying to dpkg -i openmoko-contacts3.ipk and it says package architecture (armv4t) does not match system (armel) |
| 17:53.22 | bove2 | could I just hack around that? |
| 17:53.24 | PaulFert1er | SpeedEvil: not enough testing probably. Do you hear GSM interference on your loudspeakers only when GSM is on certain band? I doubt it. |
| 17:54.02 | mickeyl | bove2: try to hack /etc/ipkg/arch.conf or so |
| 17:54.05 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: when gsm buzz is strong enough it makes conversations impractical, i'd say. |
| 17:54.10 | WhiteCat | so it means u can survive with this GSM buzz |
| 17:54.12 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert1er: actually, yes. For some reason my speakers seem very sensitive to 900MHz |
| 17:54.18 | WhiteCat | its not at all apain |
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| 17:54.53 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert1er: but I of course haven't tested 02. |
| 17:54.59 | PaulFert1er | bove2: just force it if you know what you do, you want to install ipk on debian, that's the mistake ;) |
| 17:55.30 | WhiteCat | so i think ..at least 03 will not have all these known problems |
| 17:55.40 | SpeedEvil | No! |
| 17:55.44 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: and some hardware |
| 17:55.46 | SpeedEvil | It'll have new and exciting ones! |
| 17:55.54 | mickeyl | and it may lack features the 02 has |
| 17:55.57 | PaulFert1er | SpeedEvil++ |
| 17:56.04 | WhiteCat | like wjat |
| 17:56.05 | WhiteCat | what |
| 17:56.06 | mickeyl | so... i wonder whether waiting for that is worth it |
| 17:56.12 | mickeyl | noone knows |
| 17:56.15 | mickeyl | perhaps gps missing |
| 17:56.17 | mickeyl | perhaps accel |
| 17:56.19 | mickeyl | perhaps wifi |
| 17:56.20 | mickeyl | perhaps bt |
| 17:56.22 | mickeyl | perhaps all of 'em |
| 17:56.28 | mickeyl | but it will be faster. |
| 17:56.29 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there has been a nice public list of what the GTA03 is. |
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| 17:56.43 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: probably WiFi as Andy said they won't have problems with WiFi firmware ;) |
| 17:56.46 | toggles_w | when can i buy it? |
| 17:56.46 | SpeedEvil | I don't even know if it's been internally decided, though I suspect some here may have a clue. |
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| 17:57.13 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: don't wait on it. |
| 17:57.44 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: IMO. (though I have no inside knowlegde) I'd be surprised at 6 months availability. |
| 17:57.46 | WhiteCat | so u mean to say tht we shud not wait for 03 ..and rightaway buy 02 |
| 17:57.56 | PaulFert1er | SpeedEvil: it seems that the decisions change fast at OM, so it's not that relevant. |
| 17:58.12 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: depends |
| 17:58.20 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert1er: I wish 'stick with what is ok' was acceptable to some people. |
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| 17:58.26 | WhiteCat | depends on wht |
| 17:58.35 | WhiteCat | shall i wait or not |
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| 17:58.44 | SpeedEvil | What do you expect? |
| 17:58.53 | SpeedEvil | If you expect a working phone - hold off. |
| 17:59.06 | SpeedEvil | If you expect a fun linux hacking toy that may work as a phone in the future - get one. |
| 17:59.06 | WhiteCat | otherwise |
| 17:59.09 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: if you want a really reliable cell phone, buy nokia or whatever. If you want a toy that mostly can be used as a GNU/Linux PDA and GSM phone, then probably 02 will suit. |
| 17:59.48 | WhiteCat | but 03 will also do all these things ..with better hardware stability |
| 17:59.53 | kd8ikt | yeah i'd say my phone is more of a PDA than a phone |
| 18:00.05 | kd8ikt | but it does it all :) |
| 18:00.12 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: you've heard what the dev said. 03 will lack some hardware. |
| 18:00.15 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: perhaps. GTA03 may also have severe hardware problems, and take forever to come out. Nobody knows. |
| 18:00.29 | WhiteCat | ohh |
| 18:00.39 | kd8ikt | opengl!? |
| 18:00.47 | WhiteCat | so shall i go for 02 |
| 18:00.55 | SpeedEvil | passes WhiteCat a coin. |
| 18:00.59 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: ok, i will stick with my 02 |
| 18:01.14 | PaulFert1er | WhiteCat: and you've heard his ETA, winter if they're lucky. |
| 18:01.17 | WhiteCat | anybody in favour of 03 |
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| 18:01.33 | kd8ikt | we'll see when its released |
| 18:01.36 | Defiant- | probably no one until 03 is out |
| 18:01.51 | SpeedEvil | And 03 is IMO irrelevant. |
| 18:02.00 | tig|1 | that question at the moment is like saying shall I put my finger in a plug socket or wait for a light socket to become available |
| 18:02.03 | SpeedEvil | As 02 is quite adequate (with bugfixes) hardwarewise. |
| 18:02.10 | max_posedon | he-he, if you compire time, that you will spend during playing with Neo |
| 18:02.28 | max_posedon | you will unserstand that gta02 hardware is zero-cost |
| 18:02.31 | WhiteCat | IMO irrelevant ??? |
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| 18:02.46 | max_posedon | if compire it with *your* time. |
| 18:02.56 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: how much better 03 hardware is than 02 (assuming it is) is irrelevant. |
| 18:03.24 | WhiteCat | ok ..can we connect a CMOS camera with 02 |
| 18:03.27 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: as the existing huge problem is the software not being an adequate polished phone stack. |
| 18:03.34 | max_posedon | so, I don't see reason, why not buy gta02, and buy gta03 in near future. |
| 18:03.48 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: you can connect it over USB. |
| 18:03.59 | tig|1 | SpeedEvil: and a bit of a buzz for some of us :) |
| 18:03.59 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: or bluetooth. (for really expensive cams) |
| 18:04.10 | WhiteCat | is there any internal slot for it on the motherboard |
| 18:04.15 | SpeedEvil | tig|1: I'm informed that the hardware fix is 'easy'. |
| 18:04.19 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: no |
| 18:04.38 | SpeedEvil | (and indeed it is - for anyone capable of SMD rework) |
| 18:04.38 | tig|1 | SpeedEvil: yeah I have heard that I still need to find out the position Truebox are taking on it |
| 18:04.39 | WhiteCat | 03 will have camera |
| 18:04.52 | mwester | we don't know that for sure. |
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| 18:05.07 | tig|1 | SpeedEvil: that is kind of the problem I am not and have not found anywhere around here that will take it on |
| 18:05.09 | WhiteCat | but its wriiten on their website |
| 18:05.17 | SpeedEvil | There have been announcements of what GTA03 will have in hte past. |
| 18:05.23 | kd8ikt | it'll have a holographic display and powered by an arch reactor |
| 18:05.26 | tig|1 | anyway gtg ttfn |
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| 18:05.35 | SpeedEvil | These have later been contradicted, and no clear list of what it is or is not has been released. |
| 18:05.53 | SpeedEvil | s/is/will be/ |
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| 18:06.25 | gurugentoo1 | it will also feature a molecular replicator and cup holder |
| 18:06.54 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 18:07.01 | WhiteCat | he he |
| 18:07.19 | kd8ikt | and starttrek teleporter |
| 18:07.30 | WhiteCat | does backtrack works on 02 |
| 18:07.31 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:07.35 | SpeedEvil | You're all confused. |
| 18:07.37 | PaulFert1er | My bet is that they're trying to make a phone aimed at end-users, not geeks/developers. Less features to worry about, more attractive to masses. It's unknown how stable and ready it will be. |
| 18:07.59 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 will be licensed by paramount, will have no display, and will be have a pin for attaching to your shirt. |
| 18:08.11 | Defiant- | I want a tricorder |
| 18:08.19 | kd8ikt | lol fricken backtrack |
| 18:08.36 | kd8ikt | i bet purehate is still around there |
| 18:08.44 | kd8ikt | what a massive douche |
| 18:09.10 | WhiteCat | can we install Aircrack-ng on GTA02. |
| 18:09.24 | WhiteCat | with an external wifi adapter |
| 18:09.35 | kd8ikt | whynot its in the repo's |
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| 18:09.40 | kd8ikt | along with kismet |
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| 18:09.56 | mjr | sure, but it won't do much with the internal wifi |
| 18:10.02 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 18:10.11 | WhiteCat | does internal wifi adapter of 02 can be put in Monitoring mode |
| 18:10.24 | mickeyl | no, atheros firmware doesn't support that |
| 18:10.28 | mickeyl | nor master mode |
| 18:10.32 | mickeyl | (yes, pity) |
| 18:10.38 | WhiteCat | not even with patches |
| 18:10.42 | gurugentoo1 | mjr: so an obvious feature request is a compatible wifi chip |
| 18:10.48 | gurugentoo1 | for 03 |
| 18:10.53 | mickeyl | firmware is closed |
| 18:10.58 | mickeyl | running on seperate chip |
| 18:11.30 | mjr | Sure with patches. Good luck patching the blob on the wifi chip's flash. |
| 18:11.46 | WhiteCat | does wifi signals drops frequently on 02 |
| 18:11.49 | Wonka | and afaik we can't even reverse engineer it, because it's in flash on the wifi device... |
| 18:12.12 | kd8ikt | hey WhiteCat if you want backtrack+gta02 http://www.neopwn.com/ |
| 18:12.41 | Wonka | kd8ikt: doesn't help too much without monitor mode :/ |
| 18:13.15 | kd8ikt | well he sells usb wifi dongles for the wifi part |
| 18:13.23 | kd8ikt | that support injection |
| 18:13.26 | Wonka | waah |
| 18:13.36 | WhiteCat | Wifi signals on 02 ???? |
| 18:13.45 | WhiteCat | but www.neopwn.com is not opening |
| 18:13.46 | kd8ikt | i wish he'd release the shit to the public though |
| 18:13.59 | kd8ikt | not this payper whatever crap |
| 18:14.05 | Wonka | kd8ikt: what shit? |
| 18:14.19 | Wonka | the backtrack i knew before is a linux live cd/dvd |
| 18:14.20 | kd8ikt | the sources |
| 18:14.27 | Wonka | and so should be GPL |
| 18:14.50 | Wonka | and biggest part of the other stuff too |
| 18:15.02 | WhiteCat | any other painful issue in GTA02 |
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| 18:15.54 | kd8ikt | you in china or something WhiteCat ? behind the great firewall? |
| 18:16.07 | WhiteCat | no not in china |
| 18:16.20 | WhiteCat | why do u want to know my location |
| 18:16.31 | kd8ikt | nvrmnd i really dont |
| 18:16.45 | WhiteCat | but i m not in china |
| 18:17.21 | mwester | he wants to break into other people's networks, though. |
| 18:17.24 | WhiteCat | if i wud have been in china ..i wud have gone to the openmoko factory ..to check whats happening there |
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| 18:18.11 | WhiteCat | issues in 02 |
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| 18:18.42 | bove2 | ** ERROR **: Loading libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0 failed: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:18.42 | bove2 | aborting... |
| 18:20.05 | WhiteCat | anybody ..please discuss issues in 02 |
| 18:20.05 | bove2 | trying to install om-contacts3 on debian? can anyone tell me if I'm far away? |
| 18:21.49 | max_posedon | I think you shouldn't install ipk'es on debian. May be you want port this apps to Debian?) |
| 18:23.01 | bove2 | guess... but I don't know where to start on porting, and I'm trying to find a shortcut :P |
| 18:23.33 | kd8ikt | apt-get build-essential !? |
| 18:23.54 | lindi- | bove2: mailing list might be better place for this btw |
| 18:23.56 | kd8ikt | compile it on the phone ?! |
| 18:24.26 | lindi- | bove2: i can not instruct you over gprs ;) |
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| 18:29.32 | slaxxin | whitecat buy a freerunner |
| 18:30.14 | WhiteCat | slaxxin ..i shud not wait for 03 |
| 18:30.39 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.15 | WhiteCat | but wait for 03 is worth |
| 18:32.02 | WhiteCat | since 02 have a lot of hardware issues |
| 18:32.05 | slaxxin | om 2008.12 modified by bytstore works great for me but hey to each their own an that is avaliable with the freerunner with all the choice oss out here |
| 18:32.30 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.42 | mwester | WhiteCat: the fact that you are so concerned abou the problems with the gta02 means that you SHOULD NOT buy one. You will simply be unhappy. |
| 18:32.43 | WhiteCat | hw long does ur battery lasts |
| 18:33.13 | slaxxin | as with all the software improvements things can only improve from here\ |
| 18:33.31 | slaxxin | i dont believe it |
| 18:33.35 | WhiteCat | slaxxin whats ur battery life |
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| 18:33.48 | mwester | I have no idea -- the phone is always plugged into a USB cable of some sort, and usually into the debug board as well -- it's not very useful as a phone, so there's no point in measuring the battery life. |
| 18:34.05 | mwester | I expect battery life to be horrible, compared to a dumb commercial phone. |
| 18:34.12 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.18 | mwester | On the other hand, battery life will be better than my laptop. |
| 18:34.36 | slaxxin | china big |
| 18:34.53 | slaxxin | 1 day at a time |
| 18:35.13 | WhiteCat | with all calls ..songs ..n wifi |
| 18:35.15 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.36 | slaxxin | all 3 at the same time all day? |
| 18:35.52 | WhiteCat | yes all 3 at same time |
| 18:36.01 | slaxxin | wonder how long the iphone lasts at that rate? |
| 18:36.31 | WhiteCat | okays ..on an average ..wht wis the battery life |
| 18:36.34 | slaxxin | i dont use mine like that |
| 18:36.39 | slaxxin | 1 day |
| 18:36.56 | slaxxin | i dont sms |
| 18:37.15 | WhiteCat | thats enough for a phone with 443 Mhz processor in it |
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| 18:37.22 | bove2 | funfact: I just got a Nokia 1650 or something. I uses the same battery as the freerunner (BL-5C), but it lasts for more than a week :P |
| 18:37.45 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.54 | WhiteCat | BL-5C works more then a week on freerunner |
| 18:37.56 | slaxxin | hooked up? |
| 18:38.25 | WhiteCat | bove2???? |
| 18:38.34 | bove2 | WhiteCat: How do you get more than a week with normal use? |
| 18:38.55 | WhiteCat | thats wht i ws wondering |
| 18:39.15 | WhiteCat | does BL-5C wrks on 02 |
| 18:39.20 | slaxxin | oanges an apples |
| 18:39.24 | slaxxin | r |
| 18:40.25 | WhiteCat | means |
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| 18:40.26 | bove2 | WhiteCat: BL-5C has slightly less capacity than the original battery, and does not report status as it should |
| 18:40.26 | WhiteCat | okays |
| 18:40.38 | th0br0 | the original battery has got ~30hrs |
| 18:40.45 | th0br0 | but most of that time spent in standby |
| 18:40.51 | th0br0 | continuous use is about 4h |
| 18:40.52 | th0br0 | iirc |
| 18:40.54 | th0br0 | with shr |
| 18:41.36 | WhiteCat | on a normal use..with 1 hr of call 2 hrs of video and some 1 hr of wifi |
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| 18:41.56 | WhiteCat | hw long will it lasts |
| 18:41.57 | bove2 | Yeah. At this time, I see the freerunner more as a small pc |
| 18:42.26 | th0br0 | a small laptop :) |
| 18:42.37 | th0br0 | at least whe ncomparing battery life |
| 18:42.43 | th0br0 | WhiteCat, i got no idea |
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| 18:42.51 | slaxxin | a pair of monitor glasses are what i naeed |
| 18:43.21 | WhiteCat | i mean to say wht will be the battery life with the following usage ---on a normal use..with 1 hr of call 2 hrs of video and some 1 hr of wifi |
| 18:43.22 | slaxxin | monitor goggles |
| 18:44.01 | th0br0 | WhiteCat, I don't think that has been tested yet |
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| 18:44.15 | bove2 | ffmpeg and usb host + hfs and ntfs can do a lot of magic in my normal working day |
| 18:44.37 | WhiteCat | hw do u use it |
| 18:44.38 | bove2 | the freerunner makes that pocket friendly |
| 18:46.10 | WhiteCat | bove2 ..hw do u use freerunner ..like hw many hrs of calls a day ..or wifi usage |
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| 18:47.27 | bove2 | I don't have a SIM card in the FR at this time, so I dont use it for calls. Some wifi, but most of the time, the phone is hooked on usb |
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| 18:48.46 | WhiteCat | okays..do u know ..is there any problem with sms |
| 18:49.26 | bove2 | only distro I |
| 18:50.00 | WhiteCat | any problem with video playing |
| 18:50.02 | bove2 | 've tried as a normal phone is QtExtended, and I just couldn't bother to write SMS with that input mechanisms |
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| 18:50.40 | bove2 | Video? I've barely able to play mp3's without lagging |
| 18:51.18 | WhiteCat | so even mp3 s are creating a problem on fr |
| 18:52.02 | WhiteCat | it means ..u cant play videos on freerunner |
| 18:52.06 | Sharwin_F | listening to mp3 works well in shr, at least if you don't do other things while that :P |
| 18:52.08 | bove2 | don't think I've tried mp3 playback with the most recent distros though |
| 18:52.31 | WhiteCat | whats shr |
| 18:52.39 | Sharwin_F | a distro |
| 18:52.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213900085&cid=NL_eet |
| 18:52.48 | Sharwin_F | www.shr-project.org |
| 18:52.59 | SpeedEvil | (comparison of 3G phones - call stability wise) |
| 18:55.14 | WhiteCat | does fr have any FM tuner in it |
| 18:55.31 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:56.31 | WhiteCat | hey any other altrenative of Freerunner |
| 18:56.31 | bove2 | I'd say the only important reasons to get a gta-02 is openness and screen resolution |
| 18:56.50 | SpeedEvil | bove2: attracting the chickz. |
| 18:57.05 | bove2 | SpeedEvil: good point |
| 18:57.32 | bove2 | it has a massive cool factor, even with qtextended :P |
| 18:58.31 | WhiteCat | so no other phone in near future ..will be like GTA02 |
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| 18:59.01 | bove2 | but I think I've seen HTC mentioned in FSO docs, and HTC have some high powered phones. Linux on a HTC Touch HD would be nice |
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| 19:00.34 | mwester | "Attracting the chickz"?? strange places you guys hang out that a hockey-puck-shaped non-functional phone would be found attractive ;-) |
| 19:00.39 | WhiteCat | does GPS is free with 02 |
| 19:00.57 | bove2 | see http://www.phonegg.com/Top/Fastest-Processor-Cell-Phones.html. Little outdated though. Some 1GHz phones have been launched recently |
| 19:01.52 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19608 /me wants linux on. |
| 19:02.00 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: gps is free? |
| 19:02.06 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: what do you mean? |
| 19:02.38 | WhiteCat | means we only need to download the maps ..thats it ..no need to buy any package?? |
| 19:03.05 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 19:03.10 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 19:03.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - the GPS is only a positioning device. |
| 19:03.27 | SpeedEvil | It has absolutely no maps |
| 19:03.44 | SpeedEvil | tangogps or whatever can provide a moving map |
| 19:03.54 | SpeedEvil | or you can hit maps.google.com |
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| 19:04.15 | WhiteCat | okays... |
| 19:04.39 | docscrutinizer2 | *yawn* |
| 19:04.59 | WhiteCat | hey can we run Linux on any HTC phone ...efficiently |
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| 19:05.24 | kd8ikt | tangogps + poi goto is kewl |
| 19:05.45 | kd8ikt | it shows your heading and the heading you should be taking to get closer to the poi |
| 19:05.55 | Sharwin_F | WhiteCat, tangogps and other apps use openstreetmaps projects for mapping :) |
| 19:06.27 | WhiteCat | kk |
| 19:06.29 | kd8ikt | that reminds me i should work on that navicache.com geocache waypoint poi import to tangogps thingy |
| 19:07.10 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:TangoGPS hope noone minds i kinda hijacked talk:tangogps but it was empty to begin with |
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| 19:08.43 | docscrutinizer2 | kd8ikt: hey that's what "talk" is meant for ;) |
| 19:08.53 | kd8ikt | amen |
| 19:09.44 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was meant for pointless arguments about original research. |
| 19:09.49 | WhiteCat | so guys ..please help me to take the ultimate decision ..shall i buy GTA02 with all these existing probs ..or shall i wait till next year for GTA03 ..with some stable and enhanced features |
| 19:10.05 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: you've got the information. |
| 19:10.11 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: pick one. |
| 19:10.26 | SpeedEvil | WhiteCat: GTA03 may not have all features 02 has. |
| 19:10.39 | bergelin | how are we going to decide what is right for you? you have got plenty of answers to make a decision already |
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| 19:10.44 | docscrutinizer2 | stable enhanced features? lol |
| 19:11.03 | docscrutinizer2 | go get a 02 |
| 19:11.15 | SpeedEvil | Or a nokia 1100. |
| 19:11.38 | WhiteCat | does GTA02 comes with some default image |
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| 19:12.04 | bergelin | om 2008.9 is the factory default afaik |
| 19:12.06 | SpeedEvil | an obsolete one |
| 19:13.41 | docscrutinizer2 | WhiteCat: we recommend you update on arrival of device anyway |
| 19:13.59 | kd8ikt | joerg now i remember |
| 19:14.09 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 19:14.11 | docscrutinizer2 | huh? |
| 19:14.11 | WhiteCat | from its release in july 08 ..is there any new versions till yet |
| 19:14.19 | kd8ikt | you cant hide from me ;D |
| 19:15.00 | kd8ikt | WhiteCat: thats just what OM releases, theres always 3rd party projects |
| 19:15.08 | kd8ikt | like fso/shr |
| 19:15.22 | WhiteCat | no hardware updates |
| 19:15.39 | kd8ikt | i think the newer ones have a few tiny hardware mods |
| 19:15.54 | kd8ikt | but dont expect any miracle changes from 1st released and now |
| 19:16.46 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 19:16.54 | docscrutinizer2 | recent devices have fixed dead-bat issue (no boot) for good |
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| 19:18.07 | docscrutinizer2 | (100uF on Vsys) |
| 19:18.30 | kd8ikt | and there probably isnt a guarantee of which revision you'll actually get |
| 19:18.47 | kd8ikt | AFAIK |
| 19:18.57 | WhiteCat | so these days GTA02 is coming with dead-bat issue resolved |
| 19:19.08 | docscrutinizer2 | you might ask for datecode |
| 19:19.53 | SpeedEvil | knwo of any plans to fix buzz? |
| 19:19.58 | docscrutinizer2 | or simpy define U want a device that boots w/o battery |
| 19:20.07 | SpeedEvil | (in new version) |
| 19:20.15 | kd8ikt | i havent had a huge issue with dead battery issues (i have a nokia that uses the same battery) and i use that if the FIC batt is totally dead (bootstrap swap/charge) |
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| 19:20.47 | docscrutinizer2 | kd8ikt: yup works relyably |
| 19:21.23 | kd8ikt | but i've heard my share of others less fortunate |
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| 19:21.28 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 19:21.28 | docscrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: A7 includes my buzzfix by default |
| 19:21.45 | WhiteCat | whats latest A7 |
| 19:21.50 | kd8ikt | awe dude i want to trade mine in then |
| 19:22.29 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 19:22.40 | docscrutinizer2 | have to wait a few months ;) A7 not yet shipped |
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| 19:23.02 | kd8ikt | my dad refuses to call my cell cause he cant deal with the bizzing |
| 19:23.24 | WhiteCat | A7 doesnt have dead-bat prob |
| 19:23.43 | docscrutinizer2 | dind a gifted EE and apply bigC |
| 19:24.17 | docscrutinizer2 | A6 doesn't have bat boot prob |
| 19:24.31 | WhiteCat | and GSM buzzing |
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| 19:24.53 | docscrutinizer2 | A7 as well - well thats what I hope ;D |
| 19:25.35 | WhiteCat | so A6 still have GSm buzzing probs |
| 19:25.40 | docscrutinizer2 | recent devices on store aren't buzzfixed yet |
| 19:26.15 | docscrutinizer2 | we might rework the remaining A6 on shelf |
| 19:26.27 | PaulFert1er | was absent for more than an hour and still weird discussion is ongoing. :) |
| 19:26.41 | docscrutinizer2 | no decission on that yet :-/ |
| 19:27.11 | docscrutinizer2 | PaulFert1er: huh? weird discussion? |
| 19:27.43 | WhiteCat | so thanks our Mobi Hackers ....i am goin to buy a new GTA02 |
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| 19:28.32 | SpeedEvil | And floor is ~100m^2 - and currently uninsulated - so that's important too. |
| 19:28.34 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 19:28.34 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:28.50 | WhiteCat | thanks everybody |
| 19:28.53 | docscrutinizer2 | XD |
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| 19:29.08 | docscrutinizer2 | WhiteCat: welcome! |
| 19:29.36 | kd8ikt | lol do i get commission? |
| 19:29.56 | kd8ikt | 15% finder fee :D |
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| 19:31.01 | PaulFert1er | docscrutinizer2: weird discussion about what end-users think about GTA02 hardware problems and GTA03 ETA :) |
| 19:31.21 | docscrutinizer2 | lool |
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| 19:33.41 | PaulFert1er | kd8ikt: what will you say when he returns here whinning about om2008? ;) |
| 19:33.44 | bove2 | remember that todays "openmoko end-user" is not excactly your typical end-user |
| 19:33.58 | kd8ikt | i'm convieniently /quit |
| 19:34.06 | kd8ikt | i'll |
| 19:34.15 | lool | docscrutinizer2: hmm? |
| 19:34.27 | WhiteCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.34 | bove2 | Here, I'm an end user, but if I had spent as much time with a Nokia, I must have been a developer |
| 19:35.31 | lool | & |
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| 19:36.22 | docscrutinizer2 | lool: lol!!1!!11 |
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| 19:39.20 | docscrutinizer2 | WhiteCat: reseller might offer warranty and better repair service. Even might fix buzz before selling |
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| 19:39.48 | WhiteCat | okays ..so i will buy it fro reseller |
| 19:40.02 | docscrutinizer2 | OM probably has more recent devices, whatever thats worth |
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| 19:44.02 | kd8ikt | considering the previous bs about hardware revisions |
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| 20:33.57 | mwester | A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down |
| 20:34.36 | vininim | best fix indeed |
| 20:35.56 | kW | hello, /dev/ttySAC0 seems to be dead, how can I switch on the GSM chip (or connection to the GSM) chip? |
| 20:35.57 | repli2dev | Hi, my if I suspend my FR it will wake up in a few moments with this in dmesg: modem wakeup interrupt but it's not call neither sms -> How can I bypass it? I suppose this interrupts are signal strenght, registration. |
| 20:36.07 | kW | echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gsm/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on does not help... |
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| 20:44.33 | lindi- | kW: echo 0 and then 1 |
| 20:45.57 | kW | well, to no avail :-( |
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| 20:48.14 | henk | how do i tell frameworkd to ignore the hardware buttons AUX and POWER? they work fine without frameworkd... |
| 20:48.26 | lindi- | kW: what program do you use to talk to SAC0? |
| 20:48.38 | lindi- | henk: check rules.yaml |
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| 20:51.08 | docscrutinizer2 | kW: switch on modem power switch, then assert "pushbutton" for a while |
| 20:51.15 | kW | lindi-: I normally use gsm0710muxd |
| 20:51.18 | kW | but also tried minicom |
| 20:51.22 | henk | lindi-: talking bout debian btw. nothing in there that i'd connect to the buttons. what do you mean? |
| 20:51.23 | kW | now (for debugging) |
| 20:51.29 | lindi- | kW: try socat |
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| 20:52.40 | docscrutinizer2 | kW: talk to modem? mickeyterm |
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| 20:54.02 | lindi- | repli2dev: do you use gsmd? |
| 20:54.15 | lindi- | kW: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/manual-call.txt |
| 20:54.52 | lindi- | henk: which rules.yaml are you reading, there are two |
| 20:55.20 | lindi- | henk: ./oevents/rules.yaml says "- HasAttr(switch, "POWER")" ... "actions: Suspend()" |
| 20:55.26 | henk | /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/schema/rules.yaml |
| 20:55.34 | lindi- | henk: you guessed the wrong file :) |
| 20:55.54 | henk | was the only one shown by dpkg -L fso-frameworkd... |
| 20:56.03 | lindi- | henk: find /etc|grep rules.yaml |
| 20:56.29 | henk | probably the better idea |
| 20:56.48 | lindi- | faster too :) |
| 20:56.53 | repli2dev | lindi-: I am using gsmd. |
| 20:57.36 | lindi- | repli2dev: strace it to find out what data wakes it up |
| 20:57.50 | lindi- | repli2dev: and check resume_reaseon |
| 20:57.57 | lindi- | repli2dev: and check "resume_reason" in /sys |
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| 20:58.33 | lindi- | repli2dev: also how do you suspend? |
| 21:02.51 | repli2dev | lindi-: I tried pm-suspend, apm -s, echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 21:04.52 | repli2dev | lindi-: strace apm -s look weird, I don't no what is important |
| 21:04.52 | repli2dev | lindi-: resume_reason: * EINT01_GSM |
| 21:05.16 | henk | lindi-: i can only find a release event for power. is that really all? |
| 21:06.57 | lindi- | repli2dev: of course you need to tell the GSM that it should not wake you up because it just entered a new cell |
| 21:07.13 | lindi- | henk: not sure, i don't use oeventsd |
| 21:07.52 | repli2dev | lindi-: yeah, but how? |
| 21:08.36 | henk | lindi-: do you know what else oevents is good for apart from the hardware buttons? |
| 21:09.20 | lindi- | repli2dev: i don't use gsmd sorry |
| 21:09.30 | lindi- | henk: ringtone? |
| 21:11.01 | henk | ah ok |
| 21:11.22 | repli2dev | lindi-: Hmm, maybe AT CREG comang (found that in qtopia sources) |
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| 21:11.43 | repli2dev | lindi-: testing echo -e "AT+CGREG=0" | libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 21:12.23 | lindi- | repli2dev: you really should not need to invent this yourself btw, i'm sure somebody has solved it :) |
| 21:14.19 | repli2dev | lindi-: yeah, but if I am unable to find the solution :D |
| 21:14.50 | PaulFert1er | repli2dev: are you a H:1 user? |
| 21:15.07 | repli2dev | PaulFert1er: yes |
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| 21:15.58 | PaulFert1er | repli2dev: are you really sure they didn't solve suspending issues? Did you look at the sources? |
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| 21:19.43 | milinek | hi, is there any connector to connect external wifi antena to freerunner, please? |
| 21:21.13 | mwester | no |
| 21:21.25 | repli2dev | PaulFert1er: I have rev3 still having this problems. |
| 21:21.28 | milinek | mwester: thanks |
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| 21:22.58 | mwester | It seems strange to me that the H:1 developers would not have resolved that; a fix for the gsmd supend issues has been around for almost a year. |
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| 21:24.00 | repli2dev | Maybe the problem is somewhere else |
| 21:24.32 | PaulFert1er | repli2dev: i can tell you which file in FSO has all the at commands performed on suspend and resume. |
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| 21:49.07 | docscrutinizer2 | H:1?? |
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| 21:51.06 | badcloud | I caved and went to school to flash my FR with 2008.12 |
| 21:51.16 | badcloud | man, does qi take ages though |
| 21:51.32 | badcloud | almost 3 minutes now |
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| 21:52.39 | docscrutinizer2 | Qi, 3min? just to start kernel? duh! |
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| 21:53.26 | badcloud | I switched to verbose mode |
| 21:53.28 | docscrutinizer2 | that would mean 3min black screen, no? |
| 21:53.50 | badcloud | no, black screen with two lines |
| 21:53.54 | docscrutinizer2 | until bootsplash appears |
| 21:54.13 | badcloud | but in verbose mode it stops at AR6000 Reg Code 00x40000060 |
| 21:54.49 | badcloud | just after SDIO_INT_CTRL_ enable IRQ |
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| 21:55.13 | badcloud | I *just* flashed it with mwester stable and 2008.12 |
| 21:55.22 | badcloud | am I missing something+ |
| 21:55.26 | badcloud | ? |
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| 21:58.13 | badcloud | trying u-boot instead :( |
| 21:58.58 | badcloud | it has the same message (AR6000 Reg Code 00x40000060) but goes right ahead into the booting splashscreen |
| 21:59.20 | agg1n1 | i just flashed my freerunner with 2008.12 too, but it doesnt ask for mit sim pin -.- ahhh |
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| 22:00.29 | docscrutinizer2 | badcloud: maybe ask qi-author? |
| 22:00.44 | badcloud | nads |
| 22:01.19 | badcloud | the 2008.12 image doesn't come with terminal *or* wifi configuration |
| 22:01.23 | badcloud | I'm screwed |
| 22:01.32 | badcloud | can't configure the usb internet here |
| 22:01.35 | lindi- | reject images |
| 22:02.37 | badcloud | any 2008.12 image that comes with terminal in it_ |
| 22:02.39 | badcloud | ? |
| 22:05.56 | badcloud | anyone know how to log on to an access point that lets you connect with no password |
| 22:06.18 | badcloud | but then to actually communicate with outside ips, you need a valid user/pass |
| 22:06.30 | badcloud | usually there's a web login interface |
| 22:06.47 | badcloud | but there's no built in browser in the image I flashed |
| 22:07.09 | badcloud | (I managed to ssh to the FR) |
| 22:07.24 | badcloud | but need to try and login via command prompt |
| 22:08.16 | badcloud | know what I mean? |
| 22:08.30 | badcloud | I just obtained an ip |
| 22:08.46 | badcloud | but in order to get net access, I need to enter a user/pass |
| 22:13.52 | badcloud | ok, different approach then |
| 22:14.08 | badcloud | tried option A) from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Fedora |
| 22:14.26 | badcloud | service network restart worked fine |
| 22:14.35 | badcloud | can't ping from the FR |
| 22:14.57 | badcloud | tried un- and re-plugging |
| 22:15.24 | badcloud | I just wanna install vala-terminal so I can go home.... |
| 22:15.36 | badcloud | can someone scratch my back here? |
| 22:16.01 | badcloud | I'll generously pay you back in bitching about bugs |
| 22:16.08 | badcloud | I'm good at that |
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| 22:18.56 | jhass840 | Hi, I'm having a small problem with my freerunner. It seems that it is unable to connect to unsecured wireless networks |
| 22:23.20 | badcloud | theoretically, could I ssh from my router running kamikase via usb? |
| 22:23.45 | max_posedon | yes |
| 22:23.54 | badcloud | this live fedora cd isn't doing well with Masquerading |
| 22:26.47 | jhass840 | Anyone have any tips on connecting to open wifi networks? Encrypted networks work just fine, but open ones do not. |
| 22:27.11 | henk | jhass840: why not? |
| 22:27.39 | jhass840 | henk: I don't know, I was hoping someone could help me out with that one |
| 22:28.26 | henk | jhass840: what doesn't work? |
| 22:29.15 | jhass840 | henk: I cannot connect to open wireless networks using mofi. It just hangs indefinitely |
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| 22:30.56 | badcloud | what usually is the interface name for usb in openwrt? |
| 22:31.06 | badcloud | whoops, wrong channel |
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| 22:45.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc1d1e412db87 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: odeviced: fix UsbHost mode sysfs path regression |
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| 22:48.27 | arg0 | anyone know how to fix this Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 |
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| 22:56.36 | kd8ikt | quark heh |
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| 23:10.07 | slaxxin | badcloud |
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| 23:20.12 | ab0oo | has anyone cracked the code on getting a terminal on QT 4.4.2? |
| 23:20.37 | Digital-Pioneer | Why is it that opkg segfaults every time it does anything with pythm? It's really starting to tick me off. |
| 23:22.44 | ab0oo | ljp: what type of beer do i need to ship to your house to get a terminal for QT-Extended 4.4.2? |
| 23:23.14 | slaxxin | hot german beer |
| 23:23.43 | ab0oo | I'm about willing to have it delivered by a hot german fraulein. |
| 23:23.54 | ab0oo | this "no terminal" crap is killing me. |
| 23:24.31 | slaxxin | i thought i saw a terminal in qtx |
| 23:25.29 | ab0oo | where, praytell |
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| 23:26.02 | docscrutinizer2 | muahaha wsod on M800 glofiish again |
| 23:27.30 | Digital-Pioneer | opkg is getting FREAKING unstable. Segfaults at every other package, and doesn't hesitate to do it again when retried. |
| 23:27.48 | slaxxin | on shr? |
| 23:27.51 | Digital-Pioneer | Yeah |
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| 23:29.01 | Digital-Pioneer | And most operations give several lines of "Multiple packages (pkgname and pkgname) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest." with several different pkgnames. |
| 23:29.48 | slaxxin | tango right?\ |
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| 23:30.23 | Digital-Pioneer | No, nothing tango. |
| 23:30.58 | ab0oo | the really frustrating part is that there is a qpk on the qt-extended web page for qpeterminal, but it won't install |
| 23:31.07 | Digital-Pioneer | pythm, python-pyalsaaudio, enca, libmad0, libmpeg2-0, speech-dispatcher... Each have no fewer than three of those lines. |
| 23:31.24 | slaxxin | i thought i saw 1 |
| 23:31.32 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.18 | slaxxin | abO00 |
| 23:32.25 | ab0oo | http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=2&min=10&orderby=titleA&show=10 |
| 23:32.52 | ab0oo | that get you there, slaxxin? |
| 23:33.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.50 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.22 | slaxxin | so whats up with that? |
| 23:34.46 | slaxxin | wont download? |
| 23:35.16 | slaxxin | bluetooth work for yaa |
| 23:35.27 | slaxxin | 'it did for me |
| 23:36.12 | ab0oo | I'm sshed in via USB |
| 23:36.52 | ab0oo | but I've found thinks like "won't update resolv.conf when connected via wireless" that I wanted to be able to fix from a terminal |
| 23:37.49 | ab0oo | opkg install ./qpe-qterminal_1.0.0-1_arm.qpk gives me the usual "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
| 23:40.01 | slaxxin | Conficker" or "Downadup" creator has a 250.000 dollar bounty from microsoft |
| 23:40.41 | slaxxin | whats with the ./ |
| 23:41.27 | ab0oo | I've downloaded the qpk and it's in the current directory |
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| 23:43.38 | ab0oo | here's a thread on it: |
| 23:43.44 | ab0oo | http://qtextended.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=936&forum=2 |
| 23:43.52 | ab0oo | clearly I'm not the only one frustrated by this |
| 23:44.57 | Digital-Pioneer | I strongly suspect that udhcpc is broken. It has NEVER worked. |
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| 23:56.38 | Dave | rooly! |
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