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| 00:03.11 | badcloud | yeah, nothing quite works |
| 00:05.19 | badcloud | bah humbug |
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| 00:11.22 | badcloud | I've never had so much fun resuscitating a phone before |
| 00:11.39 | badcloud | my previous phones were more like *press power*, I'm on! |
| 00:17.00 | badcloud | this one is more like "I'm shiny, pay more attention to me! SEG FAULT..." |
| 00:17.25 | badcloud | I WANT MY LIFE BACK |
| 00:18.54 | Dave | :O |
| 00:19.09 | Dave | badcloud :D |
| 00:19.16 | badcloud | I'll be fine |
| 00:24.23 | badcloud | 'night |
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| 00:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | humming bug? :D |
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| 01:08.06 | Dave | humming bug? |
| 01:08.12 | Dave | There's a new audio related bug? :D |
| 01:08.19 | Dave | it hums, it buzzes, it whistles! |
| 01:08.23 | Dave | it barks like a dog! |
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| 01:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-02-11 01:05:25] <badcloud> bah humbug |
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| 02:23.09 | |Marco| | huh, last update with shr gave a kernel that does not have the atheros driver (or I might not be finding it...) |
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| 02:43.27 | Dave | :D |
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| 07:39.04 | rhkfin | Has anyone tried to run yaouh on desktop/Ubuntu? |
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| 07:40.11 | beni | hi there |
| 07:40.28 | beni | just wanted to know if there is already a good standard way to listen to music |
| 07:40.43 | beni | currently i use om2008.12 with openmoko-mediaplayer |
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| 07:49.34 | rhkfin | beni: There was some discussion on the community-list about media players, I think someone partially rewrote efmplayer (or similar..).. can't remember.. Check january/february and 'to build a better music player' -thread in the community mailing list (and let me know if it works :) |
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| 08:01.20 | beni | i also have trouble with gstreamer, it seems some plugins are missing. i cant play all songs, but many of them |
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| 08:09.30 | beni | rhkfin: http://n2.nabble.com/-All--To-build-a-better-music-player-td2164014i40.html thats the thread |
| 08:09.33 | beni | i will try that now |
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| 08:15.27 | rhkfin | beni: ok, thanks, let us know |
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| 08:20.39 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:21.18 | rhkfin | 'ning |
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| 08:26.49 | beni | hm, all buttons are grey |
| 08:26.56 | beni | and i cant configure gstreamer backend |
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| 08:35.14 | rzr | hi, about multitouch , where do this go ? http://www.newlc.com/en/multitouch-feature-any-screen#comment-50240 |
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| 08:52.38 | beni | rhkfin: looks good |
| 08:52.43 | beni | i took the packages from opkg.org |
| 08:53.05 | beni | but i still have some issues with some mp3s |
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| 08:57.09 | rhkfin | ok |
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| 09:01.34 | Zorkman | beni; what do you use? i use shr unstable and get this output: |
| 09:01.35 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/pythm_0.5.2-dmr_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:01.35 | Zorkman | Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/pythm_0.5.2-dmr_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:01.35 | Zorkman | Terminated |
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| 09:03.07 | rhkfin | Zorkman: I suppose it's meant for 2008.x |
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| 09:08.54 | Zorkman | too bad :) |
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| 09:11.25 | rhkfin | Not sure though |
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| 09:13.06 | rhkfin | Zorkman: no worries - i get the same error on 2008.12.... |
| 09:16.13 | rhkfin | There's something wrong in the package http://www.opkg.org/packages/pythm_0.5.2-dmr_armv4t.ipk |
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| 09:25.23 | beni | rhkfin: maybe i did try the ipkg from the url in the mailing |
| 09:25.52 | beni | http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/audio/pythm_0.5.1-dmr-20090129_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:25.57 | beni | http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/audio/mutagen_svn-4350_armv4t.ipk |
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| 09:27.55 | rhkfin | beni: ok, seems to be working -> something wrong in the opkg package. I sent a mail to the list about it |
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| 09:51.35 | beni | rhkfin: have seen it |
| 09:51.45 | beni | then i used the other ipkg |
| 09:51.57 | beni | is there some opkg.feed? |
| 09:52.15 | rhkfin | so did I and I was able to make it run now (but for some reason I don't have audio working at all :( |
| 09:52.19 | rhkfin | yes, wait.. |
| 09:52.31 | Zorkman | i installed the links you have beni; but i still receive errors when trying to run pythm |
| 09:52.33 | rhkfin | or you check the community list & opkg repository |
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| 10:09.42 | rhkfin | What Linux apps you'd like to see on Openmoko? |
| 10:10.40 | lindi- | has them all :) |
| 10:10.45 | rhkfin | :) |
| 10:11.02 | lindi- | i'd like to see kernel bug fixes |
| 10:11.10 | rhkfin | too |
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| 10:20.20 | frl | hello what can i do to unlock the android image from Seanmcneil3 ? |
| 10:23.00 | Defiant-_ | lindi-: cheater :D |
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| 11:13.41 | methril | morning |
| 11:14.55 | SpeedEvil | loves the smell of no-clean-flux in the morning. |
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| 11:29.41 | howlingmadhowie | hi everybody. i was thinking of getting a mobile phone to play around with android on. how's the porting going for the freerunner? |
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| 11:30.47 | Heinervdm | This SHR package has missing depencies: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/python-email_2.6.1-ml0_armv4t.ipk the package base64 has to be installed too |
| 11:33.40 | rwhitby | Heinervdm: that's an upstream OpenEmbedded package, so best to report it in the OpenEmbedded bug tracker. |
| 11:34.48 | Heinervdm | do you know wich package contain base64? |
| 11:34.58 | rwhitby | nope |
| 11:35.03 | lindi- | coreutils |
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| 11:54.02 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r1104ed764486 10/Makefile: Improved the setup-fso- target |
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| 12:00.01 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r1104ed764486 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Improved the setup-fso- target |
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| 12:21.20 | beni | Heinervdm: you could use perl for that |
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| 12:22.55 | Heinervdm | beni: an other scripting language will slow down down the application much more |
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| 12:32.40 | beni | freerunner without perl is like swiss army knife without blades. |
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| 12:34.24 | dns53 | perl is not something you give to your enemies |
| 12:35.26 | max_posedon | perl is hell, and hell in Squaue if you try cross compile him. |
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| 14:01.00 | Bert_2 | Hi, this is the right procedure to connect to an open wifi on the Neo Freerunner http://pastebin.ca/1334043 right ? |
| 14:01.46 | henk | should work |
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| 14:02.36 | Bert_2 | henk: for some bizzar reason the udhcpc command doesn't work well |
| 14:03.36 | henk | Bert_2: what distribution? |
| 14:03.44 | Bert_2 | henk: FSOm5 |
| 14:04.49 | henk | Bert_2: i've read mails on the mailing list that wireless doesn't work well. don't know if that's your problem as well. generally your commands should work fine. |
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| 14:05.13 | Bert_2 | henk: is it a hardware or a software problem ?µ |
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| 14:05.40 | henk | software. works fine in debian... |
| 14:06.33 | Bert_2 | henk: do you run debian on your OM ? |
| 14:06.41 | Bert_2 | *Neo |
| 14:06.50 | henk | yes |
| 14:06.58 | Bert_2 | and how does it perform ? |
| 14:07.13 | henk | good. not using it as a phone though |
| 14:09.23 | Bert_2 | ow, well, I'm using at as a phone |
| 14:09.44 | Bert_2 | I missed the "debian on the openmoko phone" keynote at FOSDEM |
| 14:10.01 | Bert_2 | so I'm trying to find out on my own whether it's worth to try debian |
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| 14:10.47 | henk | it is |
| 14:10.48 | henk | ! |
| 14:11.12 | PaulFert2er | I use it as a phone with Debian |
| 14:13.02 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: what phone app did you use, zhone, paroli, ... ? |
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| 14:13.42 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: zhone |
| 14:14.17 | PaulFert2er | henk and other debian users: what can you suggest to do pasting to nopaste or another pastebin from command line in Debian? |
| 14:16.31 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: and how was battery performance ? |
| 14:16.42 | henk | PaulFert2er: lindi- has something... echo bla | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 14:17.00 | Bert_2 | (does it recognise the buttons and does it suspend and wake up on call/sms and suspends again if you ignore it) |
| 14:17.09 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: don't know, too many PCs and power outlets around :) |
| 14:17.24 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: (no, it doesn't suspend again if i ignore it) |
| 14:17.40 | PaulFert2er | henk: cool, thanks :) |
| 14:18.01 | henk | PaulFert2er: there are also some scripts around... pastebinit e.g. |
| 14:18.04 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: and are they still working on those issues or did it stall as soon as it ran ? |
| 14:18.17 | henk | PaulFert2er: that's in debian. some pastebins provide their own scripts. |
| 14:18.30 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: what issues exactly? |
| 14:18.41 | henk | Bert_2: buttons work fine here. xorg-xserver needs configuration, xglamo detects them automatically... |
| 14:18.44 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: not suspending again |
| 14:19.17 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: what's xglamo ? (I'm not really into all the different pieces of software yet) |
| 14:19.18 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: that's an FSO/zhone issue, not debian-specific. |
| 14:19.58 | henk | Bert_2: a specific xserver for that hardware. |
| 14:19.58 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: kdrive-based xserver with glamo-specific acceleration implementation. |
| 14:20.25 | PaulFert2er | I hope we'll have a good working xorg soon though. |
| 14:20.33 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: but you just said that it doesn't suspend again if you ignore the call |
| 14:20.44 | Bert_2 | or can you set it up to auto-suspend after X minutes |
| 14:21.54 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: you can, obviously. Debian uses FSO, so everything that is FSO-specific is the same in Debian! |
| 14:22.20 | henk | PaulFert2er: http://paste.debian.net/paste.pl?show_template=clients |
| 14:22.27 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: aaaaah, awesome |
| 14:22.32 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: I'm running FSO now |
| 14:22.57 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: so I have the useful stuff from FSO combined with the powerful debian repository |
| 14:22.59 | Bert_2 | right ? |
| 14:23.54 | PaulFert2er | Bert_2: when i say FSO i mean framework, not distribution. E is not ready in Debian yet, afaik. |
| 14:23.55 | henk | in debian, yes. in fso, no. |
| 14:24.28 | Bert_2 | PaulFert2er: henk: now I'm getting confused |
| 14:24.35 | cvwillegen | Like Bert_2, I'm looking for the auto-suspend functionality as it was in 2008.8 and 2008.12 |
| 14:25.17 | PaulFert2er | cvwillegen: what's the problem with auto-suspend after inactivity timeout? Really? Can't you just add a rule for oeventsd? |
| 14:25.40 | henk | Bert_2: fso = freesmartphone.org. they write a software stack to communicate with the hardware and stuff. they provide a operating system image containing their apps, but just to demonstrate their software. NOT to use it actually. the software stack they write is included in debian and will be included in the Om distribution's next release. |
| 14:26.11 | Bert_2 | henk: okey, now I get it, thanks |
| 14:27.23 | Bert_2 | so, does debian suspend when I press the powerbutton or not ? |
| 14:27.46 | lindi- | Bert_2: depends on the configuration |
| 14:28.13 | Bert_2 | lindi-: could you explain that to me then |
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| 14:29.05 | lindi- | Bert_2: oeventsd does what rules.yaml says i think |
| 14:29.17 | lindi- | Bert_2: i don't run oeventsd so powerbutton does not do anythiong here |
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| 14:30.10 | Bert_2 | lindi-: do you use suspend or not ? |
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| 14:39.30 | henk | Bert_2: xglamo recognizes the buttons as event interfaces, they generate keyboard events, i bound them to menus in fvwm, but could have bound one to 'apm -s' or whatever. so it is possible. don't know what they do with frameworkd and zhone running. |
| 14:40.53 | lindi- | Bert_2: yes i use |
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| 14:41.11 | lindi- | Bert_2: of course i do, without suspend it is quite hard to use as daily phone :) |
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| 14:46.33 | PaulFert2er | lindi-: btw, what broonie said about the alsa issues, is he going to fix it? |
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| 14:47.30 | lindi- | PaulFert2er: no idea |
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| 14:53.50 | PaulFert2er | lindi-: but you saw his message, didn't you? He has written something like "it wasn't supposed to start recording when dai is not enabled, so this was never an issue, because userspace never tried that". |
| 14:54.23 | lindi- | PaulFert2er: yeah |
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| 14:59.40 | Dave | TIG |
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| 15:00.58 | tig|1 | DAVE |
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| 15:09.07 | enriko | anybody har experience with android and openmoko |
| 15:09.08 | enriko | ? |
| 15:09.25 | howlingmadhowie | enriko: have you tried asking in #android? :-D |
| 15:09.41 | enriko | farts |
| 15:09.43 | enriko | :d |
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| 15:18.49 | Dave | o.O |
| 15:19.29 | CVirus | davey ! |
| 15:20.01 | tig|1 | lawks |
| 15:22.17 | Dave | Hawa! |
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| 15:50.49 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:51.35 | rhkfin | hi |
| 15:54.27 | rhkfin | I repeat my question again - what application or what type of application would you like to see on Freerunner. And yes, I know 'debian has it all'. |
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| 15:55.29 | tig|1 | rhkfin: a feature complete stable phone suite would be number one |
| 15:55.46 | rhkfin | yes and stable kernel and glamo 3d drivers |
| 15:55.58 | rhkfin | other than these? Something non-trivial? |
| 15:56.04 | SpeedEvil | Stable kernel supporting suspend and power-saving. |
| 15:56.05 | [df] | haha |
| 15:56.18 | [df] | you're saying that a stable phone suite is trivial? |
| 15:56.20 | SpeedEvil | (clock frequency varying et al) |
| 15:56.36 | SpeedEvil | IMO, without the above, apps are almost pointless. |
| 15:57.05 | rhkfin | [df]: it's a trivial request |
| 15:57.15 | tig|1 | rhkfin: call routing, LCL including VOIP support and integration into calender and address book |
| 15:57.30 | rhkfin | SpeedEvil: right - but everyone can't contribute in writing a stable kernel.. |
| 15:57.31 | SpeedEvil | LCL? |
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| 15:57.37 | tig|1 | least cost routing |
| 15:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 15:57.52 | rhkfin | tig|1: nice idea |
| 15:57.55 | tig|1 | use the cheapest option for making a call |
| 15:57.56 | rhkfin | anything else? |
| 15:58.06 | SpeedEvil | rhkfin: see the wishlist:software category |
| 15:58.21 | rhkfin | SpeedEvil: I'm sure all 300+ didn't write there :) |
| 15:58.33 | tig|1 | extention of contacts so if a contact is marked as social and it is during work time it bounces them to voicemail |
| 15:58.39 | tig|1 | for example |
| 15:58.52 | kraut` | how can i install the ...svn.bb files from svn? its looking like portage ebuilds |
| 15:58.56 | tig|1 | automatically silence phone during meetings |
| 15:59.06 | tig|1 | except for contacts marked as VIP |
| 15:59.15 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List |
| 15:59.19 | rhkfin | tig|1: how to recognize a meeting? calendar? |
| 15:59.23 | rhkfin | SpeedEvil: I know |
| 15:59.25 | tig|1 | PIM |
| 15:59.31 | rhkfin | tig|1: right |
| 15:59.31 | SpeedEvil | rhkfin: sure - however only about 3 people talk in here. |
| 15:59.33 | tig|1 | in the calendar |
| 15:59.34 | Digital_Pioneer | tig|1: I'm dying for an app to do that! |
| 15:59.41 | SpeedEvil | Well - maybe 30 |
| 15:59.43 | rhkfin | SpeedEvil: that's why I'm asking :) |
| 15:59.45 | tig|1 | Digital_Pioneer: yep that is what I have been thinking :) |
| 16:00.00 | Digital_Pioneer | At the simplest level, have it automatically mute the phone based on cron jobs. |
| 16:00.11 | Digital_Pioneer | The problem is, how to wake the phone to mute itself? :P |
| 16:00.16 | rhkfin | from 8am to 4pm :) |
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| 16:00.36 | Digital_Pioneer | is in college, so he just wants it to mute during classes. |
| 16:00.44 | rhkfin | Digital_Pioneer: right |
| 16:01.01 | Digital_Pioneer | And I'd be happy to make cron jobs, if I thought that would help... |
| 16:01.02 | [df] | wants it to mute when work people phone him out of hours ;) |
| 16:01.07 | SpeedEvil | rhkfin: what software projects have you done beforte? |
| 16:01.08 | tig|1 | basically my phone knows where it is via GPS (generally) what I am supposed to be doing and who I talk to so if I give it the rules it should get on with it :) If I am at work it should automatically voicemail contacts marked "pub" |
| 16:01.26 | rhkfin | SpeedEvil: I'm not looking for a project for me, I'm just hunting for ideas |
| 16:01.46 | rhkfin | [df]: I think there's a firewall app to do that |
| 16:01.49 | rhkfin | at opkg.org |
| 16:01.50 | Digital_Pioneer | tig|1: And it's features like that that will make OM phones the mose awesome in the world!! (Mwahahahah) |
| 16:02.04 | tig|1 | yep :) |
| 16:02.35 | Digital_Pioneer | IMHO, it already IS the most awesome phone in the world, but someday it will become the most awesome stable phone in the world. :P |
| 16:02.52 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 16:02.57 | rhkfin | tig|1: I've been thinking that gps should turn itself on every 30min or so to 'find me' and then maybe act based on that |
| 16:03.09 | SpeedEvil | Someone deleted the wishlist:profiles page - which was expansion of above ideas |
| 16:03.19 | rhkfin | :( |
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| 16:05.17 | rhkfin | I've been thinking with a 'connect to Internet' -script that first would check if any known or open wlan's around and if not, then usr gprs. |
| 16:05.59 | tig|1 | yep |
| 16:06.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Wish_List&diff=prev&oldid=13347 |
| 16:06.35 | slaxxin | http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/tangofriends/ |
| 16:06.38 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/Profiles |
| 16:06.40 | SpeedEvil | oh - that |
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| 16:56.50 | Dave | DaMeestro |
| 16:56.56 | daMaestro | daveo |
| 16:57.09 | Dave | Affirmative. |
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| 17:07.49 | slaxxin | is it just me or does qtopia have an odd feel ,i cant put my finger on it,, it just dont feel right an i know that sounds really stupid because qtopia looks good |
| 17:08.12 | slaxxin | wth |
| 17:08.45 | slaxxin | or maybe Dave is controlling my brain |
| 17:09.22 | azaghal | "Hello, Dave" |
| 17:09.48 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: start to worry when you begin singing 'Daisy, Daisy'. |
| 17:09.53 | henk | slaxxin: it is qtopia, not x11... |
| 17:10.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.52 | Dave | brain->start(); |
| 17:22.04 | Dave | dave->eat(brain); |
| 17:22.07 | Dave | OM NOM NOM :D |
| 17:22.39 | tig|1 | Dave: http://brains4zombies.com/ |
| 17:23.13 | Dave | pass. |
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| 17:52.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r2eaddbdf7413 10/src/gsm0710.c: remove bogus \n in debug message and substitute printfs with proper calls to debug message |
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| 17:59.42 | jc | LOL |
| 17:59.57 | jc | description for CONFIG_AR6000_WLAN in kernel is: 'good luck' :D :D |
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| 18:03.16 | jc | no wonder why the wifi driver sucks.. with this philosophy |
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| 18:06.05 | create_vibe | so, I'm trying to use dfu-util and it's not finding my neo |
| 18:06.12 | create_vibe | any suggestions? |
| 18:06.49 | Dave | eh? |
| 18:07.00 | create_vibe | well, I was trying to upgrade the kernel |
| 18:07.09 | Dave | debian? chown uucp:uucp /dev/ttyACM0 ? |
| 18:07.16 | create_vibe | I tried dfu-util -l though and it didn't find it |
| 18:07.33 | Dave | Maybe it's not recognized or plugged in? |
| 18:07.33 | create_vibe | it's factory install atm |
| 18:07.37 | henk | create_vibe: is the neo running? |
| 18:07.38 | Dave | heh |
| 18:07.39 | create_vibe | it's networked over usb |
| 18:07.46 | create_vibe | I have ssh'd into it |
| 18:07.48 | Dave | So it's recognized then. |
| 18:07.48 | henk | create_vibe: it has to be in uboot... |
| 18:07.49 | Dave | haha |
| 18:07.54 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 18:07.58 | Dave | henk ftw |
| 18:09.13 | henk | slaps dave with a big u-boat |
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| 18:10.12 | Dave | :O |
| 18:10.16 | Dave | Damn Germans :P |
| 18:10.20 | Dave | Die Deutschen! |
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| 18:10.58 | create_vibe | so what does that mean, it has to be in uboot? |
| 18:11.27 | henk | create_vibe: you have to see the boot menu |
| 18:11.36 | henk | create_vibe: uboot's boot menu |
| 18:11.53 | create_vibe | so I have to do it while it's booting? |
| 18:11.59 | create_vibe | confused |
| 18:12.12 | henk | do you see the menu when it is booting? |
| 18:12.35 | create_vibe | oh is that like the replacement for grub? when it boots I see the boot and the percentage bar |
| 18:12.48 | henk | create_vibe: read the wiki about flashing... |
| 18:12.53 | create_vibe | ya, I have it open |
| 18:13.04 | henk | what page? |
| 18:13.20 | create_vibe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 18:14.06 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Boot_the_FreeRunner_from_NOR_Flash which step of that don't you understand? |
| 18:14.44 | create_vibe | sec |
| 18:15.05 | Dave | Henk, explain it to him :) |
| 18:15.22 | create_vibe | imma follow the steps again |
| 18:15.27 | create_vibe | gotta shutdown |
| 18:15.30 | Dave | right |
| 18:15.50 | create_vibe | hey hey |
| 18:15.52 | create_vibe | there it is |
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| 18:44.55 | lekernel | hi |
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| 18:51.11 | lekernel | I was told you had problems buying 3.3V NOR flash chips, is that true ? |
| 18:51.30 | lekernel | I'm asking because I'm designing a board that has NOR flash on it (www.milkymist.org) |
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| 18:51.53 | lekernel | and, by default, it's 3.3V ; but by adding a some more components I can make it any voltage |
| 18:52.00 | lekernel | so I would like to make the right choice |
| 19:00.33 | create_vibe | ok, so I flashed it |
| 19:00.47 | create_vibe | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 19:00.47 | create_vibe | Done! |
| 19:00.47 | create_vibe | Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
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| 19:01.24 | create_vibe | hmm, still doesnt' recognize my SIM |
| 19:02.12 | create_vibe | hey, it turned off all by itself |
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| 19:05.53 | create_vibe | how can I tell if this is using the new image? |
| 19:07.10 | create_vibe | i went to wifi, clicked on my network, typed in the pw. I see the signal next to the clock now. I go to install, click on anything, and it says "Cannot access repository, check your network." |
| 19:07.58 | create_vibe | but I mean, most importantly, I would just like to get this thing to recognize my SIM and allow me to make a call |
| 19:09.10 | jc | create_vibe, you can probably tell by looking at /proc/version |
| 19:10.07 | create_vibe | erm, I can't map it to usb0 |
| 19:11.29 | create_vibe | well it seems to shut down quicker |
| 19:12.24 | create_vibe | seems like every other time I turn it on, it hangs at the openmoko logo |
| 19:14.13 | jc | thats pretty weird |
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| 19:17.28 | Dave | doc :) |
| 19:17.58 | create_vibe | eh? |
| 19:18.44 | create_vibe | well, something is weird, cause I can't set up the network over usb anymore |
| 19:18.56 | create_vibe | no such device |
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| 19:21.44 | create_vibe | *sigh* |
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| 19:21.46 | create_vibe | this is a pain |
| 19:22.24 | SpeedEvil | That happened with me for a while |
| 19:22.59 | create_vibe | what did u do to fix it? |
| 19:23.03 | SpeedEvil | Check your USB cable is plugged in |
| 19:23.08 | SpeedEvil | and isn't broken |
| 19:23.11 | create_vibe | of course it is |
| 19:23.19 | create_vibe | I can see the battery change to charging on the screen |
| 19:23.20 | SpeedEvil | (works for something else) |
| 19:23.29 | SpeedEvil | I had one with a broken data wire. |
| 19:23.31 | create_vibe | little lightning bolt looking thing |
| 19:23.41 | SpeedEvil | Which charged fine |
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| 19:23.54 | create_vibe | worked b4 I tried to flash it |
| 19:23.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 19:26.03 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall one of the images not bringing usb0: up on first boot |
| 19:26.06 | SpeedEvil | try a reboot |
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| 19:28.24 | create_vibe | i got this in my dmesg |
| 19:28.26 | create_vibe | [174703.456027] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 29 |
| 19:28.27 | create_vibe | [174718.568023] usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 19:29.12 | create_vibe | [174754.928488] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
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| 19:34.24 | create_vibe | nope not working |
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| 19:34.58 | create_vibe | I tried flashing this image |
| 19:34.59 | create_vibe | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ |
| 19:37.16 | rob79 | kernel + rootfs ? |
| 19:37.29 | create_vibe | yes |
| 19:37.37 | create_vibe | but when using dfu-util I just specified the kernel |
| 19:38.08 | rob79 | rootfs in kernel partition ? |
| 19:38.43 | create_vibe | I don't understand |
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| 19:40.19 | rob79 | dfu-util -a rootfs .... and dfu-util -a kernel ? |
| 19:40.25 | yanu | create_vibe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Phrasebook |
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| 19:41.49 | create_vibe | sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Desktop/Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin |
| 19:41.51 | henk | create_vibe: concerning your dmesg output: dfu-util won't work if the device isn't properly recognized. try another usb port or reboot your computer. |
| 19:42.06 | create_vibe | I was gonna try rebooting the computer next :) |
| 19:42.21 | create_vibe | dfu-util worked when I ran that |
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| 19:43.07 | create_vibe | http://pastebin.ws/cserlc |
| 19:43.13 | rob79 | 4 distro rootfs ***.jffs2 |
| 19:43.46 | create_vibe | I did somethign wrong? |
| 19:44.16 | henk | looks good |
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| 19:45.42 | bove2 | how can I install openmoko-contacts3 under debian? |
| 19:45.59 | rob79 | u dont want to flash the rootfs ? |
| 19:46.20 | create_vibe | so, instead of -a kernel, do -a rootfs and change the file name? |
| 19:46.57 | create_vibe | ahh, I see it here now |
| 19:47.00 | create_vibe | in the wiki |
| 19:47.28 | create_vibe | k, shutting down |
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| 19:48.33 | Dave | sets Create_Vibe up the Henk |
| 19:48.56 | create_vibe | :\ |
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| 19:49.15 | create_vibe | hey, I'm trying here :) |
| 19:49.22 | create_vibe | it's all pretty new to me |
| 19:49.56 | Dave | Yup yup |
| 19:50.01 | create_vibe | and I think it's very cool, btw |
| 19:50.35 | create_vibe | i've been on linux primarily for about a year. before I was primarily windows |
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| 19:50.44 | create_vibe | I'm in love with linux |
| 19:51.42 | henk | create_vibe: do you develope? |
| 19:51.46 | create_vibe | ya |
| 19:51.50 | create_vibe | mainly web apps |
| 19:51.54 | create_vibe | LAMP |
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| 19:52.09 | create_vibe | i'm learning python tho |
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| 19:53.12 | henk | create_vibe: you might want to try debian or hackable:1 |
| 19:53.21 | create_vibe | i would love to get debian on this |
| 19:53.24 | create_vibe | I looked into it last night |
| 19:53.28 | create_vibe | I figured I would try something simple first |
| 19:53.29 | create_vibe | :) |
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| 19:57.20 | toggles_w | :q! |
| 19:57.52 | niv | \o/ just managed to get debian on my freerunner |
| 19:57.53 | henk | create_vibe: just go for debian. it uses the fso stack, which will be used in om2009 releases as well. om2008 uses something else, 'asu' afair, and i think it's not worth installing. |
| 19:58.00 | henk | niv: grats :) |
| 19:58.17 | create_vibe | sweet, then I will do that next |
| 19:58.27 | create_vibe | the wiki seemed a bit overwhelming when I looked over it first tho |
| 19:58.37 | niv | now i just need to get gprs and gps working... and then i am half set.. |
| 19:58.57 | bove2 | regarding debian, I can't get a decent contacts program in there |
| 19:58.59 | henk | create_vibe: i know, but it's not a problem. the procedure works rather well, and the little problems are easy to fix. |
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| 20:00.08 | create_vibe | well you've given me confidence, henk :) |
| 20:00.10 | create_vibe | thanks |
| 20:00.32 | henk | create_vibe: i always go stage by stage instead of doing the 'all' stage of the install.sh script. i do the partitioning and formatting steps by hand and just look up what the script does and change to my needs. you should use qi btw. uboot is deprecated. take care to tell the install script for debian to use qi! |
| 20:01.01 | create_vibe | ok |
| 20:01.07 | create_vibe | hey rootfs just finished |
| 20:01.09 | henk | create_vibe: the wikis (debian and openmoko) are very good. |
| 20:01.14 | create_vibe | I should reboot? |
| 20:01.37 | rob79 | only the fr |
| 20:01.43 | create_vibe | right |
| 20:02.17 | create_vibe | hangs at the logo |
| 20:02.47 | rob79 | wait ^^ |
| 20:03.02 | rob79 | some time |
| 20:03.35 | create_vibe | oh? maybe I messed up the kernel then. I waited and it was hanging so I took out the battery and put it back in and it booted fine |
| 20:04.13 | henk | wait longer |
| 20:04.17 | niv | i have to mention, that debian didn't want to boot from ext2, ... it started booting from vfat |
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| 20:04.38 | niv | at least on my freerunner |
| 20:04.41 | henk | niv: you should use qi. |
| 20:05.10 | create_vibe | still waiting |
| 20:05.28 | niv | henk: does qi boot from 8 gb microsd? |
| 20:07.00 | henk | niv: i guess. just try and report a bug if it doesn't. you can always go back to your uboot backup... |
| 20:08.06 | create_vibe | it's still on the openmoko logo, should I keep waiting? |
| 20:09.41 | rob79 | hmm it takes 1-2 minutes |
| 20:09.52 | create_vibe | to boot fully? |
| 20:09.59 | create_vibe | ya, but I haven't seen the booting screen yet |
| 20:10.15 | create_vibe | it just says 'openmoko' in white on black bg |
| 20:11.19 | toggles_w | niv: who's your provider? |
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| 20:11.53 | niv | toggles_w: t-mobile germany |
| 20:12.05 | create_vibe | took out the batter, put it back, and it's booting normal |
| 20:12.29 | henk | another german 'g' |
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| 20:12.39 | toggles_w | niv: thx.. im t-mobile usa, can't get it to work |
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| 20:12.58 | niv | toggles_w: i am still trying :) |
| 20:13.15 | toggles_w | me too, i wish i could get it to work, would be really nice |
| 20:13.17 | niv | toggles_w: i just read about how to get it working. |
| 20:13.44 | create_vibe | seems to boot quicker now |
| 20:15.01 | create_vibe | hey, there's no wifi in the settings on this one |
| 20:16.03 | rob79 | yes ^^ |
| 20:17.39 | create_vibe | is that cause they're workin on it? |
| 20:18.43 | create_vibe | usb works now |
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| 20:21.05 | rob79 | the new shr is good but unstable ^^ |
| 20:21.12 | create_vibe | well, I can't ssh |
| 20:21.17 | create_vibe | but I can bind usb0 |
| 20:21.20 | rob79 | waiting 4 testing release |
| 20:22.02 | create_vibe | buggy |
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| 20:23.54 | create_vibe | seems to be doing this by itself |
| 20:23.54 | create_vibe | http://pastebin.ws/5iomm3 |
| 20:26.48 | create_vibe | meh, bbl. imma relax for a few |
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| 20:34.58 | jc | is there a way to manipulate u-boot environment directly on the mtd partition ? |
| 20:35.10 | jc | like edit it with a plain text editor for example |
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| 20:43.54 | mwester | jc: no pre-packaged tool is provided for that purpose, I'm afraid. |
| 20:44.42 | jc | mwester thanks for the info anyway.. we have some uboot-utils in gentoo but that concerns only image creation tools |
| 20:45.37 | mwester | If you search the archives, Om had some tools that they use to populate the u-boot config as part of the gta01 "devirginator" toolset. |
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| 20:58.12 | mrglover | Howdy. I'm interested in getting an open moko but have some questions about it. is there a wiki somewhere. i'm interest in things like service providers etc. |
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| 21:04.27 | rhkfin | wiki.openmoko.org |
| 21:04.38 | rhkfin | service providers - any cell operator will work :) |
| 21:04.57 | jc | how do you make sure in gimp that an image you want to use as splash is 480x640x16 frame buffer, with RGB |
| 21:04.57 | jc | 5:6:5 organization and HWSWP = 1 ? |
| 21:05.02 | mrglover | thankyou much |
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| 21:05.38 | jc | the 480x640 part is obvious for me, the rest is not.. please if anyone has any experience with this.. I cant find image properties anywhere in the menu |
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| 21:06.41 | jc | I just download the splashimg output to my fr and it shows no image on boot... |
| 21:08.28 | jc | allright seems like I forgot to setup the env.. silly me.. |
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| 21:42.18 | SM2k | does FSO ship pygtk? it looks like a lot of the standard gtk modules are missing |
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| 22:00.09 | badcloud | hey pips |
| 22:00.33 | SM2k | sup? |
| 22:00.50 | badcloud | it's all good |
| 22:00.56 | badcloud | ex-cept for... |
| 22:01.00 | badcloud | naw, things are fine |
| 22:01.15 | SM2k | haha |
| 22:01.49 | badcloud | 'xrandr -o 3 && numptyphysics -geometry 640x480; xrandr -o 0' has numpty take up only 1/4 of the screen |
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| 22:12.23 | badcloud | anyone get 'opkg upgrade' to work under shr untested Feb? |
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| 22:29.48 | Mortak | hi |
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| 22:34.17 | badcloud | hi there |
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| 22:46.46 | toggles_w | anyone know what this means? /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError |
| 22:47.07 | toggles_w | actually, i think i know what it means, the real question is how to fix it ;-) |
| 22:47.44 | lindi- | toggles_w: is that the only line? |
| 22:47.56 | lindi- | toggles_w: what is the command you ran? |
| 22:48.24 | toggles_w | lindi-: mdbus -s $BUSNAME $OBJECTPATH $METHODNAME $APN "$USERNAME" "$PASSWORD" |
| 22:48.37 | toggles_w | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 22:48.44 | lindi- | toggles_w: quite abstract i'd say, what are the values of those variables :) |
| 22:49.22 | lindi- | at least first three |
| 22:49.32 | toggles_w | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet2.voicestream.com guest guest |
| 22:50.12 | lindi- | toggles_w: which version of frameworkd? |
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| 22:51.37 | toggles_w | lindi-: not sure, how would i find out? it's SHR from a couple of days ago, the method seesm to exist [METHOD] org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext( s:apn, s:user, s:password ) |
| 22:51.50 | nelson | sigh. The stylus/pen/laserpointer/LED that came with my neo 1972 has run out of ink. Anybody know how to replace the pen half? |
| 22:52.12 | nelson | (Google is no help; no help at all.) |
| 22:52.17 | SpeedEvil | nelson: dealextreme.com |
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| 22:53.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6092 |
| 22:53.53 | nelson | tnx. |
| 22:53.58 | nelson | yep, that sure looks like it. |
| 22:54.08 | nelson | I guess that for $3.64 one replaces the entire thing. |
| 22:55.19 | lindi- | toggles_w: shr uses some package management system surely? and that supports version numbers? |
| 22:55.40 | SM2k | Does FSO have support for gtk? |
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| 22:56.46 | SM2k | well anyways the gtk module for python appears to be missing. I assume I'd be encouraged to try my hand at etk |
| 22:57.02 | toggles_w | lindi-: sorry, my bad, i don't use the package tools to customise, i run raw versions.. anyway frameworkd - 0.8.4.9+gitr1118+4c20045ac9b09838b66b86bb72be65559099404c-r4 |
| 22:57.40 | lindi- | toggles_w: raw versions? |
| 22:58.15 | lindi- | $ git show 4c20045ac9b09838b6 |
| 22:58.15 | lindi- | fatal: ambiguous argument '4c20045ac9b09838b6': unknown revision or path not in the working tree. |
| 22:58.23 | lindi- | toggles_w: where's the source? :/ |
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| 23:01.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-abyss * r26ade9dac0a7 10/src/consts.vala: hexdebug: added printf-like format strings |
| 23:03.14 | toggles_w | lindi-: lol, thanks, i give up.. |
| 23:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/ |
| 23:04.12 | mickeyl | toggles_w: i might have screwed up head version. let me check |
| 23:05.39 | mickeyl | toggles_w: works here |
| 23:06.12 | toggles_w | mickeyl: thx |
| 23:06.22 | mickeyl | although there's another bug in there |
| 23:06.27 | mickeyl | fixes |
| 23:07.20 | lindi- | toggles_w: please don't :) |
| 23:07.40 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: thanks (feels quite odd to thank for proprietary software here) |
| 23:08.05 | toggles_w | lindi-: lol, gotta go to the pub, was hoping to be able to im while waiting on pints, but i guess not |
| 23:08.12 | lindi- | ok :) |
| 23:08.31 | toggles_w | lindi- / mickeyl: thanks again, maybe tomorrow... :-) |
| 23:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: thanks for your great help on tracking this down |
| 23:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: hope it helps |
| 23:09.19 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb113e1e4adae 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: docs: document TI Calypso muxer quirks |
| 23:09.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r877dfa6ed522 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: ogsmd: send plain AT as first command on channel init |
| 23:09.22 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac364a3394f2 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: ogsmd: wrap os.kill in try/except as the process might have vanished on its own in the meantime. |
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| 23:10.43 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: could the changelog from ml be copied somewhere together with that fw? |
| 23:10.54 | lindi- | ignore that |
| 23:11.03 | lindi- | it already has it |
| 23:11.17 | lindi- | i'm bit unsure about upgrading though, not sure what it will break :P |
| 23:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: nevertheless I'm about to update global changelog and add a readme.txt |
| 23:12.15 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: good |
| 23:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: as Dieter's changelog is calypso-centric but doesn't mention "real-live" impact aka "which bug is fixed" |
| 23:13.14 | lindi- | mickeyl: how do you feel about rewriting ogsmd AT parser btw? should we just tell the parser what each command can return and treat everything else as unsol.? |
| 23:13.42 | mickeyl | lindi-: i'm all for that |
| 23:13.46 | mickeyl | lindi-: three concerns |
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| 23:13.57 | mickeyl | lindi-: a) i don't have the time for it atm. :/ |
| 23:13.57 | max_posedon | toggles_w, mickeyl http://max_posedon@trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/354#comment:3 |
| 23:14.02 | max_posedon | (about gprs problem) |
| 23:14.17 | lindi- | mickeyl: i understand yes |
| 23:14.23 | mickeyl | lindi-: b) we need to decided whether to make it state-based or not |
| 23:14.40 | mickeyl | c) forgot it |
| 23:14.51 | mickeyl | ah yes |
| 23:14.58 | mickeyl | c) we need to change _all_ the code |
| 23:15.04 | lindi- | yes :) |
| 23:15.07 | mickeyl | we have like... 200 calls or so |
| 23:15.22 | toggles_w | max_posedon: thanks, tried it, didn't work, not sure if i got the right modem.py file though.. anyway, must head to the pub, thanks again. |
| 23:15.28 | mickeyl | max_posedon: let me check, thanks |
| 23:15.54 | mickeyl | max_posedon: oooh |
| 23:15.57 | mickeyl | i introduced that in HEAD |
| 23:16.00 | mickeyl | still working w/ ms5 |
| 23:16.04 | mickeyl | that's why i don't see it |
| 23:16.10 | max_posedon | toggles_w, you must reboot / restart frameworkd |
| 23:16.56 | Mortak | toggles_w: doesnt work for me too |
| 23:17.24 | max_posedon | Mononoke, toggles_w you use latest shr yes?(Feb 9 release) |
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| 23:17.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3d13fc09cb03 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: |
| 23:17.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] remove bogus argument in data patch factory, thanks max_posedon and Paul Fertser! |
| 23:17.33 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Closes FSO #354 |
| 23:17.48 | simoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.00 | mickeyl | the wiki contains a good article |
| 23:18.06 | lindi- | simoo: 3g sim issue? |
| 23:18.31 | simoo | thanks, no it's an o2 sim i have two different ones and neither will work |
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| 23:18.49 | mickeyl | lindi-: do you think you have time to work on it? |
| 23:19.02 | henkie_ | hi |
| 23:19.20 | henkie_ | how can i call i SOS number with my freerunner? |
| 23:19.30 | SpeedEvil | call 999/911/112 |
| 23:19.47 | henkie_ | SpeedEvil, yes, but with no sim the dailer is disabled |
| 23:19.50 | lindi- | mickeyl: good question, possibly |
| 23:19.57 | simoo | not sure if i'd entirely trust my free runner in an emergency |
| 23:20.04 | SpeedEvil | henk: in many countries, the networks won't let you dial with no SIM |
| 23:20.10 | lindi- | mickeyl: that and the kernel audio bug are the most critical bugs for me |
| 23:20.21 | SpeedEvil | Though in some, that's an interesting question |
| 23:20.29 | henkie_ | SpeedEvil, i believe it's mandatory in europa |
| 23:20.35 | henkie_ | *europe |
| 23:20.37 | SpeedEvil | henk: no, it's not |
| 23:20.45 | SpeedEvil | Not in the UK at least |
| 23:21.02 | SpeedEvil | no operators support it |
| 23:21.02 | henkie_ | SpeedEvil, hmm ok, but my status bar says 'SOS only' :) |
| 23:21.25 | henkie_ | but i am unable to get a dialer |
| 23:21.28 | SpeedEvil | At least the last time I tried - admittedly about 3 years ago |
| 23:21.38 | mickeyl | henkie_: if you're using FSO |
| 23:21.43 | lindi- | mickeyl: would be really interesting to know what strategy other devices use to talk with calypso |
| 23:21.45 | mickeyl | zhone has a buch wrt. SOS calls |
| 23:21.54 | mickeyl | s/buch/bug/ |
| 23:22.07 | mickeyl | lindi-: indeed. i think they do the same |
| 23:22.14 | mickeyl | on the other hand though |
| 23:22.22 | mickeyl | %CUNS seems to shield us from all of that |
| 23:22.32 | mickeyl | _except_ the incoming call stuff |
| 23:22.38 | simoo | the wiki referes to an sd image to make flashing the firmware easier, is that around yet? |
| 23:22.38 | henkie_ | ah ok, so it is known? |
| 23:22.40 | mickeyl | or did you see other unsolicited interwoven? |
| 23:23.14 | mickeyl | simoo: ask wpwrak on #openmoko-cdevel, it was his idea |
| 23:23.18 | mickeyl | i don't think it was ever done |
| 23:23.31 | simoo | mickeyl:thanks |
| 23:23.50 | lindi- | mickeyl: CRING, CLIP, CPI yes |
| 23:24.27 | henkie_ | maybe it's related to my registered but not able to call bug |
| 23:24.41 | mickeyl | lindi-: as ugly as i find it... perhaps we just can get around with adding a special case TiCalypso parser that knows about these three |
| 23:25.50 | mickeyl | usually modems use the RING line to notify us |
| 23:26.02 | mickeyl | and modern modems map this in multiplexer mode as well |
| 23:26.08 | lindi- | mickeyl: any docs for %CUNS? ogsmd git and my gsm specs don't mention it |
| 23:27.03 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.18 | lindi- | mickeyl: not in 8750588ca23b07336424a448cec656f2321f5d23 |
| 23:27.30 | lindi- | (Date: Sat Jan 24 16:33:43 2009 +0100) |
| 23:27.34 | mickeyl | ya |
| 23:27.36 | mickeyl | added it some days ago |
| 23:27.40 | mickeyl | although =2 is standard |
| 23:27.48 | mickeyl | so it _should_ not be necessary |
| 23:27.56 | mickeyl | i think i'd rather play safe wrt. calypso though ;) |
| 23:28.04 | mickeyl | 0 = unsolicited are allowed at any time |
| 23:28.11 | mickeyl | 2 = unsolicited not allowed until the final response |
| 23:28.15 | mickeyl | 1 somethign in between, i forgot |
| 23:28.17 | henkie_ | are there any plans for syncing? (contacts and other) |
| 23:28.24 | henkie_ | maybe using opensync? |
| 23:28.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: actually it's been roh's idea, and seems my duty in the end. And yes it's still on my ToDo list |
| 23:28.59 | henkie_ | that's one of the reasons i decided never to buy Nokia agin |
| 23:29.20 | henkie_ | crippled syncing |
| 23:29.28 | lindi- | mickeyl: ok and you have checked that it does not shield us from CRING/CLIP/CPI? |
| 23:29.33 | simoo | DocScrutinizer2: cheers, I'm gunna atempt it tomorrow from the wiki, im too tired now - need to be alert! |
| 23:30.53 | mickeyl | lindi-: the thing is... |
| 23:30.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: yup |
| 23:31.00 | mickeyl | in my tests, i cuold not reproduce your problem |
| 23:31.08 | simoo | does upgrading the gsm firmware have any other advantages, improvements? |
| 23:31.14 | mickeyl | i never have seen +CRING in the middle of responses |
| 23:31.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: fix 3G-sim issue |
| 23:32.14 | simoo | DocScrutinizer2: and o2 sims as i understand |
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| 23:32.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | lots of those are 3G cards, yes |
| 23:33.11 | simoo | DocScrutinizer2: right ic, made by the 3g company? |
| 23:33.42 | lindi- | mickeyl: interesting. so i should upgrade and try %CUNS=2 |
| 23:33.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: to be more precise the problem isn't 3G but a protocol speedup of some more recent card types |
| 23:33.52 | lindi- | mickeyl: thanks for that observation, i thought you were able to reproduce this |
| 23:34.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: speedup broke communication to simcard in moko8 and prior |
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| 23:34.52 | mickeyl | lindi-: unfortunately not. i know alphaone|gone has once seen it |
| 23:34.54 | mickeyl | and i have seen your log |
| 23:34.58 | mickeyl | so i don't deny that it exists |
| 23:35.11 | mickeyl | i'm just a bit confused about the why and when |
| 23:35.24 | simoo | DocScrutinizer2: thanks... all being well I should be able to use it tomorrow then... hope I don't have a bricked freerunne... |
| 23:35.24 | mickeyl | for sure it doesn't happen in a controlled environment such as: |
| 23:35.26 | mickeyl | at+copn |
| 23:35.34 | mickeyl | (heaps of data arriving) |
| 23:35.35 | mickeyl | calling |
| 23:35.40 | mickeyl | heaps of data ends |
| 23:35.41 | mickeyl | +CRING |
| 23:35.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | simoo: we didn't see any up til now |
| 23:36.11 | simoo | DocScrutinizer2: oh cool |
| 23:36.34 | lindi- | mickeyl: note that i am running all processes under strace all the time |
| 23:37.03 | lindi- | with a ringbuffer in RAM so that I don't torture SD card or run out of space |
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| 23:37.18 | mickeyl | can you try to provoke it with copn? |
| 23:37.26 | badcloud | anyone know where the crap I can find gtk+-fastscaling 2.10.14?? |
| 23:37.29 | mickeyl | i'd love reproducable case |
| 23:37.39 | badcloud | trying to install minimo and it keeps on asking for that |
| 23:38.18 | mickeyl | lindi-: i'd also love you to test with my muxer |
| 23:38.22 | lindi- | mickeyl: just logging all serial IO at kernel level with accurate timestamps should be enough to make it reproducible? |
| 23:39.03 | mickeyl | lindi-: definitely yes |
| 23:39.09 | mickeyl | kernel level is the authority |
| 23:39.15 | mickeyl | but the packages are muxed |
| 23:39.22 | mickeyl | so we have to look inside |
| 23:39.29 | mickeyl | (which is not hard) |
| 23:39.37 | lindi- | mickeyl: i just mean that we should have a procedure to automatically make reproducible testcases |
| 23:39.48 | mickeyl | agreed |
| 23:40.13 | lindi- | the reproducible testcase would just read() and write() and usleep() |
| 23:40.21 | lindi- | and ignore all dbus, python, ... stuff |
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| 23:41.40 | mickeyl | ya, but it needs to be done in muxmode |
| 23:41.46 | muxe | jajaja |
| 23:41.48 | mickeyl | since that can change the timing on the other side |
| 23:41.50 | mickeyl | heh |
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| 23:42.04 | lindi- | mickeyl: yep traffic capture has to be started from power_on of gsm |
| 23:42.44 | lindi- | mickeyl: I maintain a tool that reads captured USB traffic and generates a C program that reproduces the same conversation with accurate timing |
| 23:43.08 | lindi- | writing something like that for serial port should be lot simpler than USB |
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| 23:43.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | wow cool |
| 23:43.30 | ajuonline | ok, can someone clarify this to me quickly, Openmoko is a registered trademark of the Openmoko, Inc. USA? |
| 23:43.43 | ajuonline | mickeyl: ^ |
| 23:43.47 | ajuonline | mickeyl: hello btw :) |
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| 23:44.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | ajuonline: so what? |
| 23:44.22 | ajuonline | DocScrutinizer2: is that a yes or a no? |
| 23:44.24 | badcloud | awwww, NADS, I can't install anything without this stupid depend |
| 23:44.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno. Sounds correct |
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| 23:45.22 | mickeyl | lindi-: wow, that sounds cool |
| 23:45.37 | mickeyl | ajuonline: yes, Om is a trademark in some countries. |
| 23:46.10 | ajuonline | mickeyl: ok thank you :) |
| 23:46.27 | badcloud | has anyone a clue about this gtk+-fastscaling business in SHR? |
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| 23:46.51 | mickeyl | gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling are exchangable |
| 23:47.02 | mickeyl | someone had the brillant idea to change the preferred provider |
| 23:47.13 | badcloud | well, how do I right the wrong then? |
| 23:47.14 | mickeyl | which renders all packages built beforehand problematic |
| 23:47.19 | mickeyl | try forcing it |
| 23:47.21 | mickeyl | --force-depends |
| 23:47.23 | badcloud | craaap |
| 23:47.43 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer2: as you can guess it is mostly a reverse-engineering tool. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/usb/usbsnoop.txt is the canonical howto I ask people to read when they hit some simplish device without a driver |
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| 23:48.47 | badcloud | now I just get a md5sum mismatch error |
| 23:49.02 | badcloud | on libxft2 |
| 23:49.31 | badcloud | plus it still complains about the dependency on gtk+-fastscaling |
| 23:49.58 | lindi- | mickeyl: can you suggest me some tool for easily reviewing what changes were made to frameworkd between Jan 24 and today? git log does not let me easily jump to the changed files |
| 23:50.36 | mickeyl | gitk is nice |
| 23:50.48 | mickeyl | same exists as qt version as well iirc |
| 23:52.02 | badcloud | so, any idea when the rootfs flashing craze will be over and opkg upgrade will actually *work*? |
| 23:53.10 | mickeyl | as soon as someone seriously maintains a stable release tree |
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| 23:55.05 | ajuonline | Request to fill up survey: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pWeVl6IM9h6UKAGOx231pFA for my Sahana/Openmoko project. |
| 23:56.04 | badcloud | educated estimate to when that might be? |
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| 23:57.05 | lindi- | ajuonline: does "openmoko developer" mean the openmoko distro or the openmoko hw? |
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| 23:58.03 | badcloud | sleep |
| 23:58.06 | badcloud | byez |
| 23:58.10 | ajuonline | lindi-: i'd consider both. because software/hardware both are being taken into consideration. |
| 23:59.18 | lindi- | ajuonline: but how should i answer if i don't have any motivation to use or develop openmoko distro at the moment but i use the phone? ;) |