| 00:00.31 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: Do you want to make one more developer have headaches because of OM? ;) |
| 00:01.02 | jOERG_rw | nah that serves my misanthropic nature ;-) |
| 00:02.46 | jOERG_rw | If *I* have to suffer, I'll make you suffer *too* ;D |
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| 00:03.47 | PaulFertser | :) Night, everybody |
| 00:03.53 | jOERG_rw | nah, XorA's assumption is "data structure changed, as it worked before" and "broonie will take 30sec to fix" |
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| 00:04.22 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser: night fella |
| 00:05.41 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: so no need to setup cross-compiler on my laptop and take it with me to my granny? ;) |
| 00:05.59 | jOERG_rw | lol - never hurts |
| 00:06.31 | jOERG_rw | and you can scare your granny ;-) |
| 00:07.47 | jOERG_rw | btw: maybe there *are* financees for a decent alsa-how-to-do-it-right paper :D |
| 00:08.17 | jOERG_rw | OM asked me for a talk about my future duties |
| 00:08.31 | jOERG_rw | whatever tat means in the end |
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| 00:09.40 | jOERG_rw | err you called that prrof-of-concept iirc |
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| 00:40.52 | slaxxin | does the feb. shr have fso m5? |
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| 01:16.57 | slaxxin | which qi image di i need the .bin or the .udfu? |
| 01:17.29 | slaxxin | nm |
| 01:20.39 | slaxxin | that was fast |
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| 02:36.33 | Dave | :o |
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| 02:59.54 | slaxxin | setting up debian on sdcard with Qi ,,debian should boot first--correct? |
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| 03:00.11 | kraut`1 | y |
| 03:02.25 | slaxxin | :c |
| 03:02.47 | slaxxin | :c) |
| 03:02.55 | kraut`1 | ah srry im not sure, i did it with uboot |
| 03:03.49 | kraut`1 | what would be a nice desktop on debian with enlightenment |
| 03:04.16 | slaxxin | u mean on freerunner? |
| 03:04.20 | kraut`1 | fbdesk? |
| 03:04.24 | kraut`1 | yes |
| 03:04.37 | kraut`1 | whats ist om2008 using? |
| 03:05.22 | slaxxin | does it still have zhone by default? |
| 03:05.35 | kraut`1 | debian? yes |
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| 03:07.03 | slaxxin | installed debian 1 time but it didnt boot so i switched to qi an it still wouldnt boot so now im reinstalling debian |
| 03:07.50 | slaxxin | Setting up fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree (20080911-5) ... |
| 03:07.50 | slaxxin | Setting up fso-config-gta02 (20090202-1) ... |
| 03:08.00 | slaxxin | nooo surly not |
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| 05:35.51 | doc|home | anyone else had the last repo through a 404 on a opkg update on shr? |
| 05:35.59 | doc|home | s/through/throw |
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| 06:34.29 | Dave | It's quiet... too quiet... |
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| 06:45.08 | jmcnaught | is usb networking disabled in the 2008.12 kernel? |
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| 07:11.58 | doc|home | grrr, it's really annoying that the phone reboots on updates :/ |
| 07:12.06 | doc|home | without prompting |
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| 07:16.17 | doc|home | anyone know why this is happening? http://pastebin.ca/1332526 |
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| 07:30.06 | ccfly | howdy :) |
| 07:33.13 | methril | morning |
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| 08:28.31 | doc|home | anyone know why this is happening? http://pastebin.ca/1332526 |
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| 08:33.59 | cvwillegen | Does FSO ms % not auto-suspend, or am I doing something wrong? In the 'wrench' -> Display -> Power, I've set Balnk time to 15 seconds, and Suspend after blank to 1 second. Still, it doesn't suspend. Any setting I missed? |
| 08:37.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:41.57 | doc|home | cvwillegen: how do you know? |
| 08:42.10 | cvwillegen | When I tap the screen, it lights up. |
| 08:42.19 | doc|home | might be waking up :) |
| 08:42.23 | cvwillegen | Either the touch screen is configured as a wake source, or it is on. |
| 08:42.35 | cvwillegen | Is it possible to do that? |
| 08:43.01 | cvwillegen | Oh, and the 'charging' led stays on. |
| 08:43.16 | cvwillegen | When I press the power button, that goes off as well... |
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| 08:53.05 | gfather | good morning guys |
| 08:53.22 | ccfly | morning |
| 08:53.29 | cvwillegen | morning (let |
| 08:53.34 | cvwillegen | 's do that as well) |
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| 08:55.56 | gfather | :) , ill start learning java today , wish me luck :) |
| 08:57.17 | cvwillegen | Good luck! |
| 08:58.38 | gfather | thanks |
| 09:06.12 | dns53 | i'm playing around with the java dbus bindings myself |
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| 09:07.46 | gfather | dns53 i really got the most funny book about java |
| 09:08.01 | dns53 | does it have ants on the cover? |
| 09:08.09 | gfather | it was recommended by a guy from java # |
| 09:08.23 | gfather | and it will really make you laugh while reading |
| 09:08.27 | gfather | him not sure |
| 09:08.43 | gfather | no , not ants |
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| 09:08.53 | gfather | a guy with big glases |
| 09:09.21 | gfather | dns53 head first java 2nd edition . look it up in amazon or some site |
| 09:09.36 | dns53 | those are good books |
| 09:10.29 | dns53 | do the java tutorial as well from java.sun.com |
| 09:10.49 | gfather | yes i want to do that after i finnish the book |
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| 09:11.49 | dns53 | on the moko swing is not that usable, not at least till they start packageing open jdk, just use awt for the moment |
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| 09:13.01 | tig| | 'nings |
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| 09:30.27 | rhkfin | cvwillegen: maybe FSO doesn't suspend while charging? |
| 09:32.12 | cvwillegen | If I don't plug in the charger, it also immediately shows the screen when I tap it. |
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| 09:42.12 | rhkfin | cvwillegen: okay |
| 09:42.58 | cvwillegen | Ok, I just got a blue led (charge done), and I pulled out the charger. |
| 09:43.04 | cvwillegen | Now, let me wait a minute and tap it. |
| 09:46.49 | cvwillegen | The screen lights up. |
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| 11:13.39 | jrodger | hello? |
| 11:14.15 | rhkfin | hello! |
| 11:14.25 | tomer | hello?! |
| 11:14.42 | methril | hello |
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| 11:15.28 | rhkfin | anyone else? |
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| 11:15.48 | Zorkman | im'm here |
| 11:15.50 | Zorkman | partly |
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| 11:16.03 | tomer | if no, we can do it all over again |
| 11:16.10 | Zorkman | find yourself a towel panicking! |
| 11:16.29 | panicking | Why? |
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| 11:17.05 | Zorkman | panicking: in the hitchikers guide to the galaxy you don't have to panick when you know where your towel is (especially when it's nearby) |
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| 11:17.22 | rhkfin | A quick poll: anyone tried Kustomizer ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - I'd like to hear comments & suggestions |
| 11:17.24 | Zorkman | you reminded me of it because the book has "don't panick" printed on the cover :) |
| 11:17.32 | Zorkman | rhkfin: comments: make it work for shr :) |
| 11:17.40 | rhkfin | Zorkman: thanks :) |
| 11:17.58 | Zorkman | no, really, i don't have 2008.x now i'm not of much use to you |
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| 11:18.15 | rhkfin | Zorkman: I think I have to explore other distros too at some stage. If I like SHR - then why not.. I'd like my apps installed easily there too :) |
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| 11:29.00 | jrodger | I am trying to install Debian onto my freerunner but it gets as far as "rdate installed" and then says that it cannot find debian.org (ie., network not available, how can I rectify? |
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| 11:35.43 | jrodger | hello? |
| 11:35.57 | gfather | hello |
| 11:37.00 | jrodger | can you help me? |
| 11:37.30 | henk | jrodger: show the output please |
| 11:40.59 | jrodger | ping: bad address 'www.debian.org' |
| 11:41.00 | jrodger | E: Could not ping www.debian.org, is the network running? |
| 11:41.53 | kraut`1 | forward on host activated? |
| 11:42.45 | jrodger | how doI do that? |
| 11:43.24 | kraut`1 | openmoko wiki ->search for wifi |
| 11:43.58 | kraut`1 | oh no sorry |
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| 11:45.26 | kraut`1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 11:55.19 | jonsmith1982 | i have a problem with a new sim card just sent out to me... it says "sos only" gsm is denied. |
| 11:55.50 | emilis_info | how do I disable auto-suspend from the command line? I have om2008.12 |
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| 12:02.30 | rhkfin | emilis_info: dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power / org.openmoko.Power.Core.RequestResourceState string:cpu string:kustomizer string:on |
| 12:02.49 | rhkfin | and to allow it again: dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power / org.openmoko.Power.Core.RemoveRequestedResourceState string:cpu string:kustomizer |
| 12:03.03 | rhkfin | And you should change kustomizer -> something else |
| 12:03.25 | emilis_info | rhkfin, thanks |
| 12:04.43 | rhkfin | emilis_info: null problemo! |
| 12:07.00 | rhkfin | What linux-apps would you like to see on Freerunner? Why? |
| 12:07.20 | emilis_info | rhkfin, btw, do you know where this option is configured? So that I could get the same behaviour after reboot? |
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| 12:08.17 | rhkfin | emilis_info: no, I don't know how to change the ASU/Illume suspend status, that command requests via dbus that CPU won't suspend.. So running this after reboot will prevent from suspending.. |
| 12:09.21 | emilis_info | heh... guess I'll have to live with this workaround :-) |
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| 12:10.15 | rhkfin | If you find out how to change the ASU or Illume suspend state via command line, let me know. Though I'm happy with this dbus-thing |
| 12:11.25 | emilis_info | I'll try |
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| 12:19.00 | damunix | still no one using GTA01 ? |
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| 12:34.25 | mac2k | hay, i'm having some problems with the hwclock and date. date: 13:30 date -u 12:30 hwclock: 12:30 hwclock -u: 13:30 cat /etc/timezone: Europe/Berlin and /etc/localtime is linked to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin am i missing something? |
| 12:36.52 | rhkfin | Anyone know why it seems to be impossible to get a proper web browser for Openmoko. Dillo doesn't know ssl, minimo works the best at the moment, midori?, fennec?. One would think it's about the first app that would be ported.. |
| 12:37.06 | henk | netsurf? |
| 12:37.25 | cvwillegen | I gathered that Dillo supported ssl these days? |
| 12:37.41 | rhkfin | cvwillegen: the version in opkg.org is said to support but I disagree.. |
| 12:37.46 | cvwillegen | I tried installing it from opkg.org, and it complained about missing crypto libraries. |
| 12:37.55 | rhkfin | henk: neverheard, will chekc |
| 12:37.58 | rhkfin | check |
| 12:37.59 | cvwillegen | Ah, if you disagree, you're probably right :-) |
| 12:38.37 | rhkfin | cvwillegen: I tried to go to some secured page and dillo told me that ssl support is not compiled in. (and yes, I'd like a package to install it, not compile myself :/ |
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| 12:38.56 | cvwillegen | Yup, me too.... |
| 12:39.21 | cvwillegen | OTOH I installed a few apps rom .ipk's onto FSO, but the icons don't show up... |
| 12:39.34 | rhkfin | henk: do you know if there's a package for OM available of netsurf? |
| 12:40.40 | rhkfin | henk: and does it support ssl? |
| 12:41.53 | henk | rhkfin: just tried: works. i have only packages for debian... |
| 12:42.26 | rhkfin | henk: nice. And seems to support https. |
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| 12:42.38 | henk | yes :) |
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| 12:49.54 | rhkfin | Anyone know where to find mplayer for 2008.12? |
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| 13:05.02 | rzr | hi , if it maters i just updated a deb for opkg |
| 13:05.27 | rhkfin | ? |
| 13:07.34 | rzr | nothing related to mplayer |
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| 14:18.44 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Q67HI1_1w&feature=related |
| 14:18.45 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 14:27.51 | Dave | :) |
| 14:29.57 | jonkrist1an | :/ |
| 14:30.03 | jonkrist1an | Damn wireless crap |
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| 14:31.58 | Dave | aw |
| 14:32.01 | Dave | crappy :p |
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| 14:32.15 | badcloud | hey all |
| 14:32.20 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 14:32.22 | Dave | s'kjera |
| 14:32.28 | badcloud | it's all good |
| 14:32.31 | badcloud | you guys? |
| 14:32.45 | badcloud | (how are you) |
| 14:33.10 | SpeedEvil | is moving boxes, to clear his workroom floor, to insulate under it. |
| 14:33.13 | methril | we are, that is not really bad |
| 14:33.30 | badcloud | sounds half good |
| 14:33.35 | Dave | :p |
| 14:33.40 | badcloud | anyone resolved the gtk+-fastscaling dependency issue yet in SHR unstable? |
| 14:33.45 | Dave | pessemist :P |
| 14:33.56 | badcloud | ok, half bad |
| 14:34.08 | methril | well, i'm half ok |
| 14:34.22 | methril | it's my mood at the moment |
| 14:34.32 | badcloud | I c |
| 14:35.24 | methril | let's see tonight if i'm better :) |
| 14:35.38 | methril | and you? badcloud? |
| 14:35.40 | Dave | :D |
| 14:35.48 | badcloud | :) |
| 14:35.48 | Dave | What happened methril? :\ |
| 14:35.51 | badcloud | I'm good |
| 14:35.54 | badcloud | got the sniffuls |
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| 14:36.43 | badcloud | but things are hunky dory |
| 14:36.43 | Dave | :D |
| 14:36.44 | methril | well, it's my job, i need a change |
| 14:36.44 | badcloud | what do you do, methril |
| 14:36.44 | methril | only half an hour and i will be better :) |
| 14:36.44 | methril | uC development |
| 14:37.05 | badcloud | uC? |
| 14:37.07 | SpeedEvil | with them, or of them? |
| 14:37.18 | methril | propietary sw (at the moment) |
| 14:37.34 | Dave | Undercover? |
| 14:37.38 | Dave | :D |
| 14:37.41 | methril | uc = microcontroller PIC and i started a ARM9 project, but is dead |
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| 14:37.49 | Dave | oh yeah |
| 14:37.53 | badcloud | I c, but do u C? |
| 14:38.09 | Dave | lame :P |
| 14:38.10 | SpeedEvil | C on small uC is bad. |
| 14:38.18 | methril | why? |
| 14:38.32 | methril | then use ASM :) |
| 14:38.34 | SpeedEvil | 256 words of ROM and 2 bytes of RAM is maybe a little small. |
| 14:39.03 | methril | i have a little bit more, but 8-bit processor power |
| 14:39.13 | SpeedEvil | Though surprisingly capable processors are not that much these days. |
| 14:39.21 | methril | not as powerful as i like, but... it's what i have |
| 14:44.42 | badcloud | so, no one here knows of a fix, or at least a workaround for this gtk+-fastscaling dependency thing? |
| 14:46.46 | badcloud | I'm probably going to have less problems with my future wife than I will with this cell phone |
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| 15:06.57 | spaetz | badcloud: --nodeps ? |
| 15:07.20 | badcloud | worth a shot |
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| 15:21.16 | badcloud | negative, spaetz |
| 15:21.21 | badcloud | the installed programs won't load |
| 15:22.57 | spaetz | ist gtk installed rather than fastscaling-gtk? |
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| 15:23.21 | badcloud | apparently (from reading some articles after googling) |
| 15:26.31 | badcloud | also, some of the desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ aren't appearing in the home screen |
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| 15:27.06 | badcloud | I read somewhere you need to tweak the 'Category' section in the file |
| 15:27.20 | badcloud | but that doesn't seem to do much except for refresh the home screen |
| 15:27.25 | badcloud | no new icons |
| 15:28.47 | badcloud | and I can clearly see the designated png file in /bla/bla/pixmaps |
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| 15:54.02 | jc | hello |
| 15:54.08 | jc | anyone here has the Kingston 8GB SDC4/8GB card ? |
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| 15:57.35 | wd | <- |
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| 15:57.58 | jc | wd, great, have you tried it in the stock u-boot to load a kernel from it ? |
| 15:58.15 | wd | yes |
| 15:58.24 | jc | wd, works ? |
| 15:58.31 | wd | i have debian on it |
| 15:58.34 | wd | yes |
| 15:59.07 | jc | wd, any speed issues, some requiered kernel boot parameter or something? or does the gsm interference issue apply to it ? |
| 15:59.08 | SpeedEvil | jc: I've got a kingston 4G one - but on gta01 |
| 15:59.26 | SpeedEvil | GPS interference |
| 15:59.28 | SpeedEvil | not GSM |
| 15:59.31 | jc | SpeedEvil gta01 doesnt have glamo, does it ? |
| 15:59.34 | jc | it was gsm.. |
| 15:59.34 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:59.39 | SpeedEvil | Ok. |
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| 15:59.54 | jc | my 2GB card has a issue when my gsm station is too far away, I get data corruption |
| 15:59.59 | SpeedEvil | GSM interference related to the SD? |
| 16:00.01 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:00.01 | jc | when SIM card isnt present, it works fine.. |
| 16:00.11 | SpeedEvil | I see. |
| 16:00.20 | jc | not pretty :) |
| 16:00.23 | SpeedEvil | That's not impossibly exacerbated by the GPS fixes |
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| 16:00.32 | jc | thats why I'm asking, I'm considering to buy the kingston one |
| 16:00.52 | SpeedEvil | (the reduced drive strength one) |
| 16:00.53 | jc | wd, any problems as just mentioned ? |
| 16:02.14 | wd | no problems, but i dont tried gsm |
| 16:02.37 | jc | wd, could you, please? I'd hate to have another useless card lying here :/ |
| 16:03.14 | jc | just stick a sim in it, register to the network and then try to load files from the sd card, in about 5 minutes, you should get syslog full of errors |
| 16:03.31 | wd | cant now :) |
| 16:03.40 | wd | im at work and fr at home :) |
| 16:03.58 | jc | shame.. well thanks anyway :) |
| 16:04.31 | jc | I think I'll try to risk it and if something comes up with it I'll try the shops return policy :P |
| 16:05.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * rd44c7e8dd84f 10/ (ChangeLog autogen.sh src/gsm0710-1.0.vapi): catch up with new paths; release as libgsm0710 version 1.0.0 |
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| 16:07.07 | wd | i can try later |
| 16:07.28 | jc | wd, great, if it wouldnt bother you too much :) |
| 16:07.42 | jc | when u'll be around ? |
| 16:08.07 | wd | bont know :) |
| 16:08.36 | wd | my worktime ended 1 hour ago, but i still here :) |
| 16:08.46 | jc | how come? |
| 16:08.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r30817edd8767 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:08.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: The GSM 07.10 protocol engine has been split out and will be maintained |
| 16:08.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: as a seperate project. That way we can collaborate on a solid core while |
| 16:08.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: adding different frontends, such as a static one without dbus support, or |
| 16:09.00 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: using the library directly without the pty indirection. |
| 16:09.03 | jc | when my work time ends I rush home usually :D undone work or not... |
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| 16:09.55 | wd | ping ^wd^ over 20-30 minuter when i leave :) |
| 16:10.08 | jc | wd, ok, thanks a lot :) |
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| 16:12.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * ra05704a56003 10/README: point to fso-abyss in the README |
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| 16:30.39 | slaxxin | anybody use the feb 9 shr? |
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| 16:30.48 | Zorkman | i do |
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| 16:36.01 | slaxxin | hows it work? |
| 16:36.43 | slaxxin | what doesnt work? |
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| 16:43.50 | max_posedon | I, gprs doesn't work by default(small fix needed), all other works well. |
| 16:44.14 | jc | what kernel do you use it with ? |
| 16:44.33 | jc | mine crashes a lot and wifi doesn't work |
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| 16:45.37 | max_posedon | I doesn't test wifi, no craches, latest kernel avaible from build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable |
| 16:46.08 | jc | thanks, I'll try it |
| 16:46.20 | jc | wait |
| 16:46.24 | jc | thats the one I'm usinf |
| 16:46.25 | jc | using |
| 16:46.48 | slaxxin | flashing |
| 16:47.05 | max_posedon | jc, Feb 8 kernel? |
| 16:47.07 | jc | nah.. its a few days newer |
| 16:47.10 | jc | mine is older |
| 16:47.13 | jc | right... |
| 16:47.34 | slaxxin | wheres the feb 10 image? |
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| 16:49.37 | badcloud | just out of curiosity, which distro, slaxxin? |
| 16:49.53 | jc | shr |
| 16:50.25 | slaxxin | well i had bytstore's 2008.12 image but now its the shr feb 9 |
| 16:50.30 | Zorkman | sorry slaxxin, was away for a second |
| 16:50.34 | badcloud | why reflash? isn't 'opkg upgrade' enough? |
| 16:50.40 | Zorkman | haven't tested the gsm yet |
| 16:50.55 | slaxxin | to change to shr from 2008.12--- no |
| 16:50.59 | Zorkman | jc: wifi works with mine (WEP network) |
| 16:51.03 | badcloud | right |
| 16:51.12 | badcloud | I thought you were going from an earlier shr image |
| 16:51.16 | slaxxin | no |
| 16:51.24 | jc | I'll try the newer kernel too |
| 16:51.32 | slaxxin | latest |
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| 16:51.44 | Zorkman | it doesn't powerdown correctly for me though |
| 16:51.48 | Zorkman | have to pull the battery out |
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| 16:52.04 | slaxxin | which shr? |
| 16:52.15 | jc | Zorkman, mine doesnt even register button presses |
| 16:52.27 | badcloud | same for me actually (power down+buttons) |
| 16:52.34 | slaxxin | ooo noos |
| 16:52.43 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.55 | slaxxin | i switched to Qi yesterday |
| 16:53.20 | slaxxin | zorkman u have the latest shr kernel? |
| 16:53.33 | Zorkman | jup |
| 16:53.38 | Zorkman | 08/02 |
| 16:53.58 | Zorkman | didn't do opkg upgrade though |
| 16:54.14 | slaxxin | is the r3 the one? |
| 16:54.28 | Zorkman | r3? |
| 16:54.35 | Zorkman | ah, yes |
| 16:54.40 | slaxxin | 26-R3-om |
| 16:54.44 | Zorkman | it's the same as http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin as far as i know |
| 16:55.01 | slaxxin | well that depressing |
| 16:55.05 | Zorkman | i used the link i posted |
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| 17:02.29 | slaxxin | u would think things would imporve more rapidly |
| 17:03.11 | badcloud | I suppose with bug fixes come other, new, and more exciting bugs |
| 17:03.34 | slaxxin | backing up |
| 17:03.37 | jc | I remember using andy-tracking on a daily basis, which was perfectly fine |
| 17:03.56 | slaxxin | may n4eed mwesters kernel |
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| 17:08.51 | slaxxin | everything is "loading too long |
| 17:08.54 | slaxxin | " |
| 17:09.47 | jc | I share your pain |
| 17:10.01 | jc | repos empty, actually existing stuff sucks.. |
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| 17:20.06 | badcloud | opkg upgrade is segging on me |
| 17:20.29 | jc | mines not working properly neither |
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| 17:20.40 | jc | I cant see firefox in opkg list |
| 17:20.58 | Zorkman | anyody got google sattelite working with tangogps? googlemaps works, but sattelite doesnt't |
| 17:21.25 | henk | lol firefox on the freerunner... |
| 17:21.33 | jc | works |
| 17:21.37 | jc | in gentoo |
| 17:21.50 | jc | and doesnt even swap too hard |
| 17:22.32 | tig| | I think I ran FF on 2007 once, it was erm slow |
| 17:22.38 | henk | of course it works but i imagine it as painful as reading the short description of the debian package of firefox: 'lightweight web browser based on mozilla' |
| 17:22.55 | jc | the new one isnt too bad |
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| 17:23.24 | jc | goddamit |
| 17:23.29 | jc | how come no freaking wifi gui works |
| 17:23.40 | Zorkman | because wifi is fucked up? |
| 17:23.44 | jc | no it isnt |
| 17:23.49 | jc | works fine by manual control |
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| 17:24.06 | Zorkman | rtied connecting to a network, disconnection and connecting to another network? |
| 17:24.09 | slaxxin | maybe those frenchmen love to hear bitchin |
| 17:24.21 | mwester | The sad state of affairs is the the MS Windows wifi GUI works better than ANY of the crapola Linux ones. |
| 17:24.26 | mwester | That's really sad. |
| 17:24.26 | slaxxin | bitchwhipped |
| 17:24.29 | jc | Zorkman, not really |
| 17:24.49 | Zorkman | jc: that doesn't work |
| 17:25.06 | jc | our standard wifi gui, iwconfig/ifconfig and all that, works too :D |
| 17:25.11 | Zorkman | that --maxperf commando might also solve somethings, but it eats baby batteries for breakfast |
| 17:25.14 | slaxxin | back to bytestores image:) |
| 17:25.39 | slaxxin | anybodys shr dialer work? |
| 17:26.31 | henk | jc: tried wicd? |
| 17:26.43 | jc | henk, which one is that ? |
| 17:26.54 | henk | jc: wicd |
| 17:26.58 | henk | :) |
| 17:27.02 | badcloud | mine does |
| 17:27.13 | henk | http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:27.26 | jc | I tried the 2008 default one, then the new illume one and also mofi and the others in fdom |
| 17:27.49 | jc | henk thanks for the tip, ill try it if its in opkg repos |
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| 17:34.37 | jc | henk: yup.. unfortunately it isnt in the default repos |
| 17:34.43 | slaxxin | haaaa haaaa shr feb9shr works with andriod kernel-- recon its the same? an the dialer works to |
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| 17:40.36 | slaxxin | did anybody but me have dialer problems on shr after installing feb 9 rootfs?] |
| 17:42.21 | Zorkman | i'll tell you when i tried gsm :) |
| 17:43.35 | slaxxin | it showed the at&t icon on the shelf but the dialer didnt work |
| 17:43.48 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.49 | Dave | "They tried and failed? They tried and died." |
| 17:43.52 | jc | ^wd^, ping |
| 17:43.53 | Zorkman | i inserted my sim and booted, but it doesn't ask for a sim |
| 17:43.56 | Zorkman | nor does it connect :s |
| 17:44.07 | Dave | I sense your impending doom, Zorkman. |
| 17:44.08 | ^wd^ | just insert sim :) |
| 17:44.13 | Zorkman | my sim always worked with FR (2007.2, 2008.x, qtopia, shr stable...) |
| 17:44.23 | jc | ^wd^, hey there |
| 17:44.30 | Zorkman | aha |
| 17:44.31 | ^wd^ | jc, what OS need? |
| 17:44.32 | Zorkman | it was just slow |
| 17:44.34 | slaxxin | change to an earlier kernel |
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| 17:44.53 | jc | ^wd^, what os? we talked about the card, remember ? |
| 17:45.04 | ^wd^ | yeah |
| 17:45.16 | ^wd^ | i have fso and debian on fr now |
| 17:45.37 | ^wd^ | and can flash other if u want |
| 17:45.39 | jc | mine misbehaves with either os :) I have gentoo and shr |
| 17:45.56 | jc | ^wd^, thats ok, whatever you have handy :) |
| 17:46.06 | ^wd^ | ok, booting fso from nand |
| 17:46.31 | jc | just try to put sim in, register to a network and simulatneously try to load files from the card (download something or play mp3s or something) |
| 17:46.47 | ^wd^ | okey |
| 17:46.58 | jc | if it breaks down in about 5 minutes (filesystem on sd stops responding) and fills up dmesg with crap, then it has the same problem as my vard |
| 17:47.00 | jc | *card |
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| 17:49.00 | ^wd^ | damn, broken fso |
| 17:49.22 | ^wd^ | wait, i flash some other |
| 17:49.47 | jc | ^wd^, you can try debian if you like |
| 17:49.59 | jc | only thing important is so that gsm registers to a network |
| 17:50.29 | ^wd^ | i not want using gsm by hands now :) |
| 17:50.39 | jc | ok then |
| 17:50.43 | jc | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:50.46 | jc | you can try shr if you like |
| 17:50.48 | jc | its small... |
| 17:51.22 | ^wd^ | 512kbps so slow for now :) |
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| 17:51.44 | jc | ah.. shame.. |
| 17:52.02 | ^wd^ | i have downloaded oses |
| 17:52.17 | jc | ok, try whatever you like which works with gsm |
| 17:52.51 | ^wd^ | qtopia :) |
| 17:53.02 | ^wd^ | but it havenot ssh |
| 17:53.29 | jc | doesnt it have terminal ? |
| 17:53.48 | ^wd^ | by default - no |
| 17:53.55 | jc | hmm.. |
| 17:54.02 | jc | youll notice it stopped working |
| 17:54.09 | jc | jsut register to a network and play an mp3 |
| 17:54.21 | jc | if it stops playing eventually and freezes up then it has a problem |
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| 17:56.22 | Zorkman | it had a terminal by default |
| 17:56.36 | ^wd^ | where? ) |
| 17:56.39 | Zorkman | there is a rootfs from hypnotize or so, that has some fixes |
| 17:57.03 | ^wd^ | Om2008.12 is flashing now |
| 17:57.15 | jc | allright then :) |
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| 17:58.03 | ^wd^ | Zorkman, url? |
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| 17:59.06 | Zorkman | sec, i'm searching |
| 18:00.42 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html |
| 18:00.59 | ^wd^ | yeah, i found it also :) |
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| 18:08.11 | slaxxin | ooo yea shr suckith |
| 18:09.14 | slaxxin | well its improving somewhat |
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| 18:18.16 | Zorkman | sound quality in call was very nice |
| 18:18.27 | Zorkman | still buzzing, but haven't yet applied hardware fix |
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| 18:26.16 | jc | I love the way shr ripped gentoos PS1 prompt |
| 18:26.21 | jc | even though they run root by default they nicked the green one :D :D |
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| 18:30.18 | henk | jc: it's in debian ;) |
| 18:30.38 | jc | henk: they did it too ? |
| 18:30.40 | jc | wow... |
| 18:31.02 | henk | jc: the prompt? no, wicd. |
| 18:31.03 | jc | gentoo has 2 color schemes, green for users and red for root |
| 18:31.06 | jc | they should have stolen red |
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| 18:34.28 | SemiColon | hey ..does anybody know the release date of GTA03 |
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| 18:35.43 | badcloud | ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected? |
| 18:35.58 | badcloud | trying to run it on a router |
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| 18:36.33 | ^wd^ | escape ( |
| 18:37.28 | lindi- | badcloud: file dfu-util |
| 18:37.28 | SemiColon | but i have heard its not goin to get launched before Q3 of 2009 |
| 18:37.29 | badcloud | lindi-. don't have 'file' installed |
| 18:37.29 | badcloud | wd, ? |
| 18:37.29 | lindi- | badcloud: copy the file somewhere else and run file there |
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| 18:39.04 | badcloud | apparently it won't run on the router |
| 18:40.20 | jc | ^wd^, hows it going ? |
| 18:40.46 | ^wd^ | i cant c working gsm |
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| 18:40.53 | lindi- | badcloud: "it"? |
| 18:40.55 | ^wd^ | but cart readable |
| 18:40.57 | jc | ^wd^, did you put a sim in? :D |
| 18:41.03 | ^wd^ | yes |
| 18:41.05 | badcloud | 'dfu-utl' |
| 18:41.14 | jc | ^wd^, did it find a network ? |
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| 18:41.18 | lindi- | badcloud: where did you get it? |
| 18:41.23 | jc | something should show up in illume |
| 18:41.25 | ^wd^ | i dont know :) |
| 18:41.41 | ^wd^ | i c signal level |
| 18:41.50 | badcloud | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util |
| 18:41.52 | jc | then thats it :) |
| 18:41.54 | ^wd^ | but not network name |
| 18:42.01 | jc | ^wd^, you've been accessing the card ? |
| 18:42.15 | ^wd^ | yes |
| 18:42.22 | lindi- | badcloud: can you run "uname -a" on your router? |
| 18:42.29 | jc | ^wd^, thats it then :) |
| 18:42.33 | jc | well thanks a lot |
| 18:42.37 | ^wd^ | hmm |
| 18:42.47 | jc | seems like perfectly working card.. |
| 18:42.50 | badcloud | Linux OpenWrt 2.4.34 #3 Sun Sep 30 20:33:21 CEST 2007 mips unknown |
| 18:42.51 | jc | I think I'll buy it... |
| 18:43.18 | lindi- | badcloud: so you are trying to run an x86 binary on mips? |
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| 18:44.13 | badcloud | a'whoops |
| 18:44.26 | badcloud | is there a mips version? |
| 18:44.45 | jc | lol |
| 18:44.53 | lindi- | badcloud: apt-get install dfu-util gets a mips version here |
| 18:44.57 | jc | dont you start mentioning mips around here :D |
| 18:45.02 | jc | were arm lovers |
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| 18:45.31 | badcloud | well, I didn't know which processor it used when I got it |
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| 18:46.40 | ^wd^ | jc, it draw fail icon where was level, but i can dial :) |
| 18:46.43 | lindi- | badcloud: what used? |
| 18:46.49 | ^wd^ | gsm and card works both |
| 18:47.00 | badcloud | my ROUTER |
| 18:47.17 | jc | badcloud, fair enough :D :D |
| 18:47.21 | jc | mine has mips too :/ |
| 18:48.01 | badcloud | can't find dfu-utils in ipkg.be |
| 18:51.14 | badcloud | jc, do you know where I can get a working binary for mips? |
| 18:51.30 | jc | badcloud, yeah, its called gnu compiler collection :D |
| 18:51.33 | jc | I compile everything.. |
| 18:51.46 | jc | other than that, doesnt debian have mips repos ? |
| 18:51.53 | jc | then theres openwrt |
| 18:52.01 | jc | they have theyr repos to |
| 18:52.02 | jc | too |
| 18:52.34 | badcloud | mine's running openwrt |
| 18:52.44 | mwester | Check out the "optware" at nslu2-linux.org |
| 18:52.49 | badcloud | but I'm borrowing someone's laptop running xp |
| 18:52.51 | badcloud | thanks |
| 18:53.56 | mwester | http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/ |
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| 18:57.05 | lindi- | badcloud: does it have usb ports? |
| 18:57.40 | ^wd^ | jc, bad news |
| 18:57.51 | jc | ^wd^, what happened ? |
| 18:57.59 | ^wd^ | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 |
| 18:57.59 | ^wd^ | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:58.05 | jc | damn !~ |
| 18:58.08 | jc | thats it :/ |
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| 18:58.51 | jc | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/27/2703224 |
| 18:58.53 | jc | like this ? |
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| 18:59.26 | jc | oh |
| 18:59.41 | jc | that mailing list post suggests trying to reattach the card |
| 18:59.43 | SemiColon | hey JC cud u please help me |
| 18:59.47 | jc | it might be loose somehow |
| 18:59.53 | jc | SemiColon with what ? |
| 19:00.16 | SemiColon | i am thinking of buying GTA02 |
| 19:00.34 | SemiColon | but i have heard tht GTA03 is about to come |
| 19:00.48 | SemiColon | so shall i wait for GTA03 |
| 19:00.55 | jc | SemiColon, not any time soon, afaik |
| 19:01.08 | SemiColon | any approx date |
| 19:01.11 | jc | if you don't need a phone, I'd suggest a pandora |
| 19:01.20 | SemiColon | whats that |
| 19:01.24 | SemiColon | pandora |
| 19:01.26 | jc | not from me... I've asked too with no response |
| 19:01.31 | jc | openpandora.org |
| 19:01.57 | SemiColon | its available commercially |
| 19:02.06 | jc | yeah, they just have some shipping issues |
| 19:02.40 | SemiColon | hw is it gud in comparison to GTA02 |
| 19:02.43 | jc | just stay tuned when they start orders for the second batch |
| 19:02.45 | jc | much better |
| 19:02.52 | jc | no phone or gps though |
| 19:03.19 | SemiColon | ohhh ..no GPS |
| 19:03.32 | jc | gta02 is good too |
| 19:03.38 | jc | it has some serious os problems... |
| 19:03.45 | SemiColon | hey i have heard tht GTA02 have lots of hardware probs |
| 19:03.57 | jc | but if you gave the time to hack on it, you can get it to work |
| 19:04.06 | jc | yep |
| 19:04.17 | jc | lots of workarounds necessary |
| 19:04.21 | SemiColon | it has very low battery life |
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| 19:04.28 | SemiColon | around 6 hrs |
| 19:04.33 | jc | if a day is not enough for you |
| 19:04.43 | jc | it lasts much longer when suspended |
| 19:04.53 | SemiColon | do u have GTA02 |
| 19:04.57 | jc | yeah |
| 19:05.07 | SemiColon | so hw is it wrking |
| 19:05.20 | jc | mine pretty good.. I have gentoo on it |
| 19:05.25 | SemiColon | cool |
| 19:05.41 | SemiColon | have u tried with Android |
| 19:05.47 | jc | nope |
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| 19:05.57 | jc | supposedly, almost none hardware works with android |
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| 19:06.01 | jc | from what I heard |
| 19:06.06 | SemiColon | ohh |
| 19:06.15 | jc | people nag all time that android is clearly made for phones with hw keyboard |
| 19:06.23 | SemiColon | okays |
| 19:06.32 | SemiColon | wht bout Debian |
| 19:06.39 | jc | havent tried it |
| 19:06.43 | jc | ask the other guys |
| 19:06.50 | SemiColon | and 2008.12 |
| 19:06.58 | SemiColon | Om 2008.12 |
| 19:07.11 | jc | the default distributions are basically unusable |
| 19:07.32 | SemiColon | so hw did u install gentoo |
| 19:07.52 | SemiColon | does all the Hardware works with gentoo |
| 19:07.56 | jc | thats about the only thing the default distros are usable for |
| 19:08.04 | jc | installing gentoo :D |
| 19:08.09 | SemiColon | ya |
| 19:08.14 | jc | yeah, if you get a good kernel |
| 19:08.17 | jc | then yes |
| 19:08.44 | SemiColon | hey but i am bit scared of buying GTA02 |
| 19:08.54 | jc | rightly so |
| 19:08.55 | jc | I was too |
| 19:09.07 | jc | and it proved to be a well placed fear |
| 19:09.11 | jc | you can get it working though |
| 19:09.13 | SemiColon | does GTA03 have some stability as compared to GTA02 |
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| 19:09.28 | jc | GTA03 doesnt exist yet |
| 19:09.48 | docscrutinizer2 | exactly |
| 19:10.04 | SemiColon | ya tht i know..but i test lab only..does they said anything |
| 19:10.21 | SemiColon | in Openmoko test lab |
| 19:10.36 | docscrutinizer2 | not even there |
| 19:10.41 | SemiColon | ohhh |
| 19:10.58 | badcloud | js, what are you running on your router? |
| 19:11.01 | badcloud | *jc |
| 19:11.12 | SemiColon | so i think it willl definitely take another year for the launch of GTA03 |
| 19:11.21 | docscrutinizer2 | well prototypes that may radically change prior to first release |
| 19:11.59 | SemiColon | check this ... http://koolu.com/ |
| 19:12.14 | SemiColon | he is also selling GTA02 |
| 19:12.14 | docscrutinizer2 | so what? |
| 19:12.32 | SemiColon | with Android running on it |
| 19:12.33 | docscrutinizer2 | I know |
| 19:12.42 | docscrutinizer2 | I know |
| 19:12.52 | SemiColon | so how is it |
| 19:13.03 | docscrutinizer2 | ??? |
| 19:13.13 | SemiColon | GTA02 with Android |
| 19:13.52 | SemiColon | hey doc ..do u have any info bout GTA03 |
| 19:13.52 | slaxxin | i think bytestore's 2008.12 image is better thus far |
| 19:14.04 | slaxxin | on a gta02 |
| 19:14.12 | docscrutinizer2 | see above |
| 19:14.49 | SemiColon | Anybody please tell me ..shall i go for GTA02 or wait for GTA03 |
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| 19:15.08 | henk | SemiColon: aren't you able to make your own decisions? |
| 19:15.10 | docscrutinizer2 | go for 02!!! |
| 19:15.17 | badcloud | unless you're a dev, SemiColon, I'd suggest you wait |
| 19:15.17 | jc | SemiColon, get a freaking g-phone when you want android so much :D |
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| 19:15.48 | badcloud | jc? which distro do you have running on your router? |
| 19:15.52 | SemiColon | no its not like tht ..i just want a gud phone ..so tht i can Hack it in my own way |
| 19:16.02 | badcloud | then get the 02 |
| 19:16.04 | jc | badcloud, owrt |
| 19:16.19 | jc | ywah. |
| 19:16.21 | jc | yeah |
| 19:16.23 | SemiColon | and at least it shud wrk like a phone |
| 19:16.26 | jc | thats what gta02 is good for |
| 19:16.28 | badcloud | and have you successfully compiled dfu-util for it? |
| 19:16.29 | jc | and it does |
| 19:16.40 | jc | havent even tried |
| 19:16.45 | SemiColon | any new improvement in GTA03 |
| 19:16.46 | badcloud | I see |
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| 19:16.57 | SemiColon | except CAm,EDGE |
| 19:17.06 | SemiColon | and Long battery |
| 19:17.08 | henk | how do i get my hardware version again? |
| 19:17.09 | jc | getting rid of glamo |
| 19:17.15 | jc | that IS some serious improvement |
| 19:17.25 | henk | wasn't that in /proc somewhere? |
| 19:17.49 | jc | its in u-boot |
| 19:18.02 | mmontour | /proc/cpuinfo, "Revision:" IIRC |
| 19:18.08 | SemiColon | So everybody today i am goin to Order my new GTA)@ |
| 19:18.15 | SemiColon | GTA02 |
| 19:18.19 | jc | SemiColon, good for you |
| 19:18.20 | badcloud | mazal tov |
| 19:18.28 | SemiColon | thanks a lot JC |
| 19:18.32 | badcloud | let the flashing begin |
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| 19:18.57 | SemiColon | but JC u shud help me in making it wrk properly |
| 19:19.07 | jc | why should I ? |
| 19:19.07 | jc | :D |
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| 19:19.23 | SemiColon | :D |
| 19:19.30 | docscrutinizer2 | SemiColon: nope, just some additional "regressions" |
| 19:19.30 | henk | 0360 means GTA02v6 right? is there a list of recommended firmware/hardware/whatever fixes? i did the gsm firmware upgrade to moko10 iirc. what else is there? |
| 19:19.39 | jc | whenever I'm around and in the mood, maybe |
| 19:19.49 | jc | but I don't really feel any obligation |
| 19:20.04 | jc | just ask around, someone might be, eventually |
| 19:20.10 | SemiColon | yes man ..u have born to help the people |
| 19:20.24 | jc | not really :D |
| 19:20.40 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: just get a decent kernel and rootfs ;-) |
| 19:20.50 | docscrutinizer2 | maybe update bootloader |
| 19:20.52 | SemiColon | Knowledge Share = Knowledge Grow |
| 19:21.09 | jc | hmm... |
| 19:21.16 | jc | some people, you can't help anyway |
| 19:21.43 | SemiColon | since ur GTA02 is wrking properly ..so i thought u might help me also |
| 19:21.58 | SemiColon | at least to a basic level |
| 19:22.29 | SemiColon | after tht i will start of my own |
| 19:22.30 | jc | well.. maybe... |
| 19:22.40 | jc | it works out of the box |
| 19:22.44 | jc | calling and everything |
| 19:22.58 | jc | waiting for you to screw it up with whatever distro you want :D |
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| 19:23.07 | rob79 | rest wiki ? + google ^^ |
| 19:23.23 | jc | yeah |
| 19:23.40 | henk | docscrutinizer2: bootloader is qi, kernel and rootfs i don't really use, only a debian on sd. i don't use it as a phone at all atm, because audio during calls is horrible. afair you have some info about hardware buzz fix. where can i find more information about it? |
| 19:23.53 | SemiColon | hey JC the whole Hardware will depend on the distro u install |
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| 19:24.21 | jc | SemiColon sure it does |
| 19:24.32 | jc | but I won't install anything on yours :D |
| 19:24.50 | SemiColon | okays man..but just show me the direction |
| 19:24.54 | jc | I'll just try to help you with whatever problem you have when I'm in the mood |
| 19:25.06 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: read hw-ml, community-ml steve mosher, and see people.openmoko.org/joerg |
| 19:25.09 | badcloud | SemiColon, grow some legs and *walk* |
| 19:25.10 | SemiColon | hey tell me some known issues with GTA02 |
| 19:25.43 | docscrutinizer2 | .... |
| 19:25.51 | henk | docscrutinizer2: thanks |
| 19:26.11 | SemiColon | known issues of GTA02 ..except battery life |
| 19:26.48 | rob79 | jep only bat :( |
| 19:27.08 | SemiColon | how long the Battery lasts normally |
| 19:27.27 | rob79 | 1 day max |
| 19:27.47 | max_posedon | I'm charging neo every 3rd day. |
| 19:28.10 | SemiColon | does it depends on Distro |
| 19:28.18 | rob79 | with gsm on ? ^^ |
| 19:28.20 | max_posedon | Neo can't eat a lot of battery when it suspended. |
| 19:28.29 | max_posedon | rob79, yes. |
| 19:28.35 | SemiColon | suspended means |
| 19:28.42 | mmontour | Known issues: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues (but I don't know how up-to-date this page is) |
| 19:28.52 | SemiColon | what shud be off |
| 19:29.05 | max_posedon | gsm chip doesn't eat a lot of power, and this is only one thing that always power on. |
| 19:29.17 | toggles_w | max_posedon: distro? |
| 19:29.21 | docscrutinizer2 | mmontour: terribly out o date |
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| 19:30.45 | toggles_w | max_posedon: sweet, they fix e cpu issues? |
| 19:30.46 | max_posedon | I don't know, is it a problem? |
| 19:30.46 | docscrutinizer2 | huh, cpu-issues??ü |
| 19:30.46 | jc | freenodes yearly scrubbing of the dumb people :D |
| 19:30.46 | mirko-paroli | they are coming back |
| 19:30.46 | toggles_w | was, using 30+% cpu on mine, so i switched to ms5, but keybaord is way slow |
| 19:30.50 | max_posedon | e running only during calls+1min, so can't kill battery. |
| 19:30.57 | jc | dude |
| 19:31.01 | jc | how did you know that? :D |
| 19:31.14 | toggles_w | max_posedon: but starting apps and smsing was a pain, i'll try the new version |
| 19:31.35 | max_posedon | jc, know what?) that no app is running during suspend?)) |
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| 19:31.46 | rob79 | my e is using 20% cpu ^^ |
| 19:31.50 | jc | nah |
| 19:31.54 | rob79 | and 1 sms is using much bat |
| 19:31.55 | jc | yall just disappeared |
| 19:32.02 | jc | and then after a while appeared again |
| 19:32.07 | jc | looks like some internal error |
| 19:32.47 | docscrutinizer2 | devel-team internal error |
| 19:32.49 | jc | scary stuff |
| 19:33.09 | mirko-paroli | devil-team internal error? |
| 19:33.12 | jc | some dude is playing god on irc apparently |
| 19:33.16 | jc | he was talking to me |
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| 19:33.34 | docscrutinizer2 | mirko-paroli: :D |
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| 19:34.01 | kd8ikt | um |
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| 19:34.10 | jc | <jc> oh my god |
| 19:34.14 | jc | <jc> theyre all dead :D |
| 19:34.15 | toggles_w | wow.. |
| 19:34.16 | jc | <mirko-paroli> yepp |
| 19:34.18 | jc | <mirko-paroli> one big bomb |
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| 19:34.20 | jc | <jc> lol |
| 19:34.22 | jc | <mirko-paroli> I can hear it |
| 19:34.24 | jc | <jc> who did that |
| 19:34.25 | pwgen | hi |
| 19:34.26 | jc | <mirko-paroli> it comes closer |
| 19:34.28 | jc | <mirko-paroli> I can see the light |
| 19:34.30 | jc | <mirko-paroli> not sure |
| 19:34.32 | jc | <mirko-paroli> I think i is just a server that crashed |
| 19:34.34 | jc | <jc> how come we survived ? |
| 19:34.36 | jc | <jc> are we supposed to repopulate the earth? |
| 19:34.38 | jc | <jc> right :D :D |
| 19:34.40 | jc | <mirko-paroli> well it depends |
| 19:34.42 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 19:34.44 | jc | <mirko-paroli> not sure if there was devine intervention |
| 19:34.46 | jc | <jc> sure |
| 19:34.48 | jc | <jc> freenodes yearly scrubbing of the dumb people :D |
| 19:34.50 | jc | <mirko-paroli> they are coming back |
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| 19:35.12 | toggles_w | e is still 30%, over 90% when typing on the keyboard... i wonder what happened.. |
| 19:35.28 | docscrutinizer2 | wtf |
| 19:35.29 | rob79 | yep |
| 19:35.31 | toggles_w | but, seems faster than jan release, new loading bar, nice! |
| 19:35.39 | pwgen | does someone know how do i connect the openmoko to some M$ XP ? |
| 19:35.49 | max_posedon | toggles_w, set fps in settings at 5 or 10 fps |
| 19:36.04 | rob79 | hmm 5 ? |
| 19:36.18 | max_posedon | and I think you will not have so big cpu usage during typing |
| 19:36.22 | toggles_w | max_posedon: thanks, will try |
| 19:36.30 | docscrutinizer2 | pwgen: boot a linux from CD? ;D |
| 19:37.14 | toggles_w | max_posedon: thanks,dropped std e spu down to 10% from 30%.. |
| 19:37.25 | docscrutinizer2 | pwgen: scnr. look at wiki |
| 19:37.40 | henk | docscrutinizer2: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/readme is this uptodate or is there a recommended fix by now? |
| 19:37.40 | max_posedon | toggles_w, how much during typing? |
| 19:37.50 | pwgen | grmpf. i know linux , but now i have a M$ gameing noteboot here .. and need to access my gta02 |
| 19:38.16 | docscrutinizer2 | bigC*.pdf |
| 19:38.29 | toggles_w | max_posedon: still 99% i'm just typing test and when i hit the e, everything stops, e peggs at 99% kind of like it's busy looking up the dictionary |
| 19:39.21 | max_posedon | oh... I always use only terminal keyboard (I hate T9 and all stuff kind of) |
| 19:39.39 | rob79 | hmm 5 fps scolling ? ^^ need paging |
| 19:40.45 | henk | whats sop? |
| 19:41.02 | rob79 | but 8% cpu |
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| 19:42.32 | docscrutinizer2 | standard operation procedure |
| 19:42.39 | kd8ikt | was there a recent net split? |
| 19:42.41 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 19:42.51 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 19:43.03 | kd8ikt | whats with jc |
| 19:43.36 | docscrutinizer2 | Ganneff: confess! you aused it ;) |
| 19:43.47 | henk | docscrutinizer2: i guess there is no german version of that? ;) |
| 19:43.51 | jc | jc is silenced |
| 19:43.55 | jc | oh.. not anymore apparently |
| 19:43.58 | Ganneff | docscrutinizer2: ? |
| 19:44.09 | docscrutinizer2 | nope, no D |
| 19:44.20 | rob79 | no shr testing ? hmm ^^ |
| 19:44.26 | rob79 | + new |
| 19:44.36 | docscrutinizer2 | Ganneff: split/blakout |
| 19:44.42 | Ganneff | docscrutinizer2: what with it? |
| 19:45.00 | docscrutinizer2 | nah, a joke. nevermin |
| 19:45.14 | jc | kd8ikt, thats what I thought too |
| 19:45.21 | jc | many people disappeared.. spooky stuff |
| 19:46.09 | docscrutinizer2 | ganneff caused it, evidentally |
| 19:46.15 | docscrutinizer2 | :D |
| 19:46.32 | jc | not really, ganneff just banned me for posting the output of it.. |
| 19:46.36 | jc | should have used pastebin |
| 19:47.17 | docscrutinizer2 | ban is automatic on large pastes |
| 19:47.26 | jc | right.. |
| 19:47.48 | docscrutinizer2 | takes abou 1sec |
| 19:48.14 | jc | yeah.. natural catastrophy |
| 19:48.43 | docscrutinizer2 | australian servers burnt down |
| 19:48.50 | jc | lol |
| 19:50.04 | docscrutinizer2 | or north korea cut another submarine cable |
| 19:50.10 | jc | hehe |
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| 19:51.15 | docscrutinizer2 | quite quite right now |
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| 19:51.36 | docscrutinizer2 | quiet |
| 19:51.47 | jc | sure.. |
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| 19:51.56 | docscrutinizer2 | quiet earth again? |
| 19:52.03 | jc | not here |
| 19:52.05 | jc | I hear you |
| 19:52.13 | docscrutinizer2 | pheeew |
| 19:52.22 | jc | hmm.. |
| 19:52.36 | docscrutinizer2 | human being :) tell me about turing! |
| 19:52.45 | jc | I'm turing incomplete |
| 19:52.53 | jc | no joy here :) |
| 19:52.58 | docscrutinizer2 | shiiit |
| 19:53.05 | jc | where ? |
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| 19:58.30 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: still around? |
| 19:58.48 | henk | docscrutinizer2: yes |
| 20:01.23 | jc | hmm |
| 20:01.26 | jc | I'm still around too |
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| 20:01.32 | jc | people keep falling like apples |
| 20:02.29 | docscrutinizer2 | scriptkiddies |
| 20:03.14 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: ask me everything U waant bout bigC. also De in private chat |
| 20:04.43 | docscrutinizer2 | U know... |
| 20:04.55 | docscrutinizer2 | ~docscutinizer |
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| 20:05.13 | docscrutinizer2 | ooops, |
| 20:05.18 | docscrutinizer2 | apt: ??? |
| 20:05.31 | docscrutinizer2 | wtf |
| 20:05.36 | jc | huh |
| 20:05.41 | jc | what you yapping about ? |
| 20:06.03 | docscrutinizer2 | "Lost" |
| 20:06.51 | docscrutinizer2 | apt: seen jc |
| 20:07.03 | apt | jc is currently on #openmoko (36m 27s). Has said a total of 77 messages. Is idling for 1m 22s, last said: 'what you yapping about ?'. |
| 20:07.04 | jc | apt: dont tell him nothing |
| 20:07.08 | jc | apt you bastard |
| 20:07.47 | docscrutinizer2 | apt: joerg |
| 20:07.48 | apt | from memory, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 20:08.06 | jc | orly ? |
| 20:08.12 | jc | you the hardware dev dude ? |
| 20:08.16 | docscrutinizer2 | ~docscutinizer |
| 20:08.31 | docscrutinizer2 | ~docscrutinizer |
| 20:08.32 | apt | i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 20:08.56 | docscrutinizer2 | idiot |
| 20:09.10 | docscrutinizer2 | missing "r" |
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| 20:12.13 | henk | docscrutinizer2: what's sop? why do i need to measure the voltage first? |
| 20:12.26 | docscrutinizer2 | OMG geeky! walking the street IRCing |
| 20:12.51 | henk | what input method? |
| 20:12.54 | jc | god.. |
| 20:13.16 | toggles_w | jc: yes |
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| 20:16.16 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: standard operation procedure |
| 20:16.37 | docscrutinizer2 | meassure voltage? |
| 20:17.23 | henk | first picture in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 20:18.52 | jc | thats some ugly hacking :) |
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| 20:20.26 | jc | whats up with everything being lead free and rohs compliant |
| 20:20.53 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: you definitely should wait for german version. Thats about probing for resistance. Your multimeter needs to apply a probing voltage to device under test to probe R. This voltage mustn't be higher than ~1V |
| 20:21.09 | henk | ah 'probing voltage' |
| 20:21.11 | henk | d'uh |
| 20:21.43 | jc | dont even the cheap ones do just that when you measure resistance? |
| 20:21.46 | henk | yeah, ok then why do i have to measure resistance? |
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| 20:22.12 | docscrutinizer2 | jc: it's not recommended to do lead-soldering upon a RoHS compliant joint |
| 20:22.48 | jc | why? the lead doesnt attach ? |
| 20:23.05 | jc | I really have no experience with that.. I would have screwed it up |
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| 20:23.25 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: to make sure there is a 0R which U need to replace. Some devices might already have 680R or 2k2 |
| 20:24.00 | docscrutinizer2 | jc: lead solder has lower melting point |
| 20:24.18 | jc | docscrutinizer2, well isnt that good ? |
| 20:24.31 | docscrutinizer2 | that's nasty when mixing to leadfree |
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| 20:24.43 | jc | oh yeah.. it doesnt melt together |
| 20:25.06 | jc | so you need to heat it up to the leadfree melting temperature |
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| 20:25.11 | docscrutinizer2 | the melting point rises when alloying with leadfree solder |
| 20:25.19 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 20:25.53 | jc | is it even possible to solder it with all the el cheapo resistance soldering irons ? |
| 20:26.29 | docscrutinizer2 | you could end up with your iron sticking to the leadfree solderpoint |
| 20:26.37 | jc | lol |
| 20:26.42 | docscrutinizer2 | no elcheapo |
| 20:26.59 | henk | docscrutinizer2: my problem with that is basically that i have neither knowledge of electronics, especially not in english nor of soldering, that does my girlfriend for me. i hope you are willing to translate some of that and explain me/my girlfriend or someone else who knows english electronics AND soldering 'g' |
| 20:27.05 | docscrutinizer2 | need very sharp regulated iron |
| 20:27.10 | docscrutinizer2 | station |
| 20:28.55 | docscrutinizer2 | henk: common problem. It's strongly discourraged to do this rework if you aren't *very* experienced in soldering, best in SMT soldering |
| 20:29.03 | jc | yeah |
| 20:29.07 | jc | it looks big on the pictures |
| 20:29.12 | jc | but trust me, its not |
| 20:29.13 | henk | docscrutinizer2: SMT? |
| 20:29.16 | docscrutinizer2 | lol |
| 20:29.16 | henk | docscrutinizer2: |
| 20:29.21 | jc | surface mount technology |
| 20:29.31 | docscrutinizer2 | thats macro photos |
| 20:29.39 | henk | german? :) |
| 20:29.42 | docscrutinizer2 | look at a grain of salt |
| 20:29.53 | docscrutinizer2 | you get the picture |
| 20:29.58 | jc | yeah theyre seriously out of focus :) |
| 20:30.14 | jc | but beautiful |
| 20:30.20 | jc | I would never disassemble my gta02 |
| 20:30.33 | jc | maybe after I loose my warranty :D |
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| 20:33.08 | henk | ah ok, my gf has done that for 3 years, so she'll be able to do it. she just doesn't know it's called SMT soldering or anything about electronics... |
| 20:33.34 | jc | its not soldering technique |
| 20:33.36 | jc | its the form factor |
| 20:33.53 | Weiss | i deliberately emailed Pulster to check that disassembly was allowed :D |
| 20:33.54 | jc | that there are pads and you solder the components directly on the surface |
| 20:33.56 | jc | no vias |
| 20:34.04 | Weiss | (the answer: "duh, yes" was pleasing to hear..) |
| 20:34.33 | jc | Weiss: what? you dont loose warranty when you disassemble it ? |
| 20:34.45 | jc | whats that sticker on the screw for then ? |
| 20:34.48 | henk | jc: yeah, no pins or through-hole technology, but she did that too... |
| 20:34.58 | Weiss | jc: depends on your supplier. with Pulster, not at all. the sticker is just a QA thing from when it was made i think |
| 20:35.01 | henk | i guess she'd be able to do it. |
| 20:35.18 | jc | thats so cool |
| 20:35.27 | jc | I love you guys :D |
| 20:35.36 | jc | I'd love to stick a jtag probe on it |
| 20:35.39 | jc | and play with it |
| 20:35.50 | jc | I think I'll wait for the 2 years though |
| 20:35.56 | jc | please dont tell me the warranty is longer |
| 20:35.58 | Weiss | jc: "Please feel free to open the unit, I assurre NO warranty loss." from Pulster. i stress that you should check with your own supplier, though... |
| 20:36.09 | jc | yeah.. |
| 20:36.11 | Weiss | warranty length also depends on the supplier... |
| 20:36.20 | jc | here its mandatory 2 years |
| 20:37.31 | henk | docscrutinizer2: soldering won't be the problem. i just have to make sure that i understand the instructions and can explain them to her... |
| 20:37.35 | docscrutinizer2 | guys, guys! You *need* to disassemble FR to attach a debug board. That's official SOP for user to open the case! |
| 20:38.06 | Weiss | recommends a Nectar card for coaxing the plastic shell around the audio port :) |
| 20:38.16 | jc | cool |
| 20:38.44 | Weiss | should get a debug board |
| 20:38.57 | jc | I already have a jtag probe |
| 20:38.58 | docscrutinizer2 | Weiss: duh?? |
| 20:39.07 | jc | is it ok to use my own ? |
| 20:39.12 | docscrutinizer2 | nectar? |
| 20:39.48 | Weiss | docscrutinizer2: it's a UK shopping loyalty card thing. i just found it had the right combination of stiffness, thinness and no plastic coatings to strip off |
| 20:39.53 | docscrutinizer2 | jc: sure, but you'll miss the FPC |
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| 20:40.02 | jc | docscrutinizer2, DPC ? |
| 20:40.04 | jc | FPC |
| 20:40.40 | docscrutinizer2 | lat platic cable |
| 20:40.46 | docscrutinizer2 | Flat |
| 20:40.56 | jc | why should I miss it ? :D |
| 20:41.00 | jc | I have individual wires... |
| 20:41.05 | jc | or also the standard connector |
| 20:41.26 | docscrutinizer2 | there's no standard conn inside FR |
| 20:41.34 | jc | I know... |
| 20:41.37 | jc | just pads, afaik |
| 20:41.57 | docscrutinizer2 | so you had to solder wires to the TPs |
| 20:42.02 | jc | yeah |
| 20:42.12 | jc | or hold the wires on |
| 20:42.27 | docscrutinizer2 | pads aka P, AND A fPC connector |
| 20:42.38 | docscrutinizer2 | aka TP |
| 20:42.57 | docscrutinizer2 | fsk capslock |
| 20:44.14 | docscrutinizer2 | (hold on wires) you could use a fixture with pogopins like fab does |
| 20:44.24 | jc | yeah :) |
| 20:44.39 | jc | or duct tape :D |
| 20:44.55 | docscrutinizer2 | debubo incl FPC is more economic |
| 20:44.56 | docscrutinizer2 | ;) |
| 20:45.03 | jc | or whathever its called |
| 20:45.05 | docscrutinizer2 | lol |
| 20:45.29 | docscrutinizer2 | sound like "joerg's yeterday lab day" |
| 20:45.59 | jc | whatever works :D |
| 20:46.13 | jc | you dont want to see what I program avrs with |
| 20:46.24 | jc | its el cheapo and it works |
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| 20:47.58 | jc | this is how professionals test uv leds :D http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/fotky/p1010394.jpg |
| 20:48.21 | jc | even the 5v bat connector isnt proper :D |
| 20:48.27 | jc | 9v |
| 20:48.50 | jc | also, theres programming fluid spilled over the breadboard :P |
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| 20:51.05 | nemik | wiki is down :( |
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| 20:52.50 | jc | nemik, works for me |
| 20:54.23 | nemik | yea, up again. |
| 20:54.53 | jc | docscrutinizer2, you around ? |
| 20:55.02 | jc | docscrutinizer2, this is how we do it :D http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/fotky/p1010963.jpg |
| 20:55.03 | nemik | so can the openmoko charge through a USB hub if i added one to it? just want it to charge while other things are connected |
| 20:55.13 | jc | docscrutinizer2, we dont even have proper bar colored resistors :D :D |
| 20:55.29 | jc | dunno... |
| 20:58.02 | docscrutinizer2 | jc: jpg killed my nettablet browser |
| 20:58.15 | jc | docscrutinizer2, right then, sorry |
| 20:58.27 | bove2 | which version of openmoko-contacs is in hackable rev3? |
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| 21:00.11 | jc | I dont think I have a chance for doing anything smd anytime soon :D |
| 21:00.21 | docscrutinizer2 | nemik: if you connect downstream (as a device) it will charge |
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| 21:00.52 | docscrutinizer2 | nemik: if you use FR as the host, see Y-cable in wiki |
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| 21:29.23 | nemik | docscrutinizer2: thanks! |
| 21:29.55 | docscrutinizer2 | nemik: np. welcome |
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| 21:39.33 | bove2 | how can I import vcards on hackable:1? |
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| 21:53.49 | prof-samba_ | hi there, i'm just trying to get the qemu running with openmoko, but i get errors when invoking openmoko/flash.sh such as: "U-boot failed to finish writing in 60 seconds, giving up." someone here who got it running? |
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| 22:17.35 | rhkfin | Anyone know the status of fennec on Openmoko? Too slow to use -> no version available? |
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| 22:59.53 | badcloud | hey piplez |
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| 23:00.18 | badcloud | who feels like a challenge? |
| 23:00.57 | Zorkman | i don't :p |
| 23:01.13 | badcloud | good to know |
| 23:01.29 | badcloud | who *does* feel like a challenge? |
| 23:01.45 | mirko-paroli | badcloud: wouldn't that depend on the challenge ? |
| 23:01.56 | badcloud | sure |
| 23:02.22 | badcloud | I'm trying to flash the kernel and rootfs using a router running openwrt |
| 23:02.52 | badcloud | kernel transfers fine, but in the middle of the rootfs, it kind of resets the usb module |
| 23:03.06 | badcloud | the hub (4-port) goes dead |
| 23:03.23 | badcloud | I'm thinking it might have to do with the mem usage |
| 23:03.58 | badcloud | would you be able to understand the dmesg output, mirko-paroli? |
| 23:04.08 | lindi- | badcloud: i might |
| 23:04.20 | mirko-paroli | badcloud: I probably couldn't ;) |
| 23:04.35 | badcloud | give me a sec, I'll recreate the bug(?) |
| 23:07.52 | badcloud | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/LMZYzy |
| 23:12.38 | badcloud | lindi-, what do you think? |
| 23:13.01 | lindi- | badcloud: SCSI disk? |
| 23:13.38 | badcloud | yup |
| 23:13.49 | lindi- | badcloud: why? ;) |
| 23:13.49 | badcloud | the file is on a usb drive |
| 23:13.56 | lindi- | badcloud: don't try that |
| 23:14.07 | badcloud | why? |
| 23:14.14 | lindi- | badcloud: well, it doesn't seem to work? ;) |
| 23:14.21 | lindi- | badcloud: use network or something |
| 23:14.31 | badcloud | how? |
| 23:14.53 | lindi- | badcloud: nfs? |
| 23:14.58 | badcloud | piping wget? |
| 23:15.59 | badcloud | isn't there an easier way? like pointing dfu-util to the remote file (http) or piping the output of wget? |
| 23:15.59 | lindi- | badcloud: that might work |
| 23:16.09 | lindi- | badcloud: dfu-util does not do HTTP |
| 23:16.16 | lindi- | you can try using wget |
| 23:16.21 | lindi- | nothing to loose really |
| 23:16.48 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 23:16.53 | badcloud | I'll read up |
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| 23:24.20 | badcloud | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/OpDL8r |
| 23:24.55 | badcloud | timing might be off |
| 23:29.07 | lindi- | badcloud: you have wget that does not know "-O"? |
| 23:30.20 | badcloud | naw, -O worked with madplay |
| 23:30.30 | badcloud | I'm trying -O - -q |
| 23:30.33 | badcloud | (now) |
| 23:30.46 | lindi- | badcloud: also, dfu-util does not understand "-" |
| 23:30.54 | lindi- | (just read the source, i am sure about this :P) |
| 23:31.00 | badcloud | yeah, I know |
| 23:31.07 | badcloud | I tried '-.jffs2' now |
| 23:31.16 | lindi- | badcloud: what? |
| 23:31.24 | max_posedon | try dfu-util /dev/stdin |
| 23:31.29 | lindi- | max_posedon: yep |
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| 23:31.54 | badcloud | what does '/dev/stdin' implement? |
| 23:32.06 | lindi- | badcloud: it's stdin of your program |
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| 23:32.20 | badcloud | ah |
| 23:32.21 | lindi- | bit more portable than /proc/self/fd/0 |
| 23:32.27 | max_posedon | another step-by-step solution |
| 23:32.40 | badcloud | so what should the -O be in wget? |
| 23:32.44 | max_posedon | mkfifo temp ; wget -O temp ; dfu-util -D temp |
| 23:32.45 | lindi- | -O - |
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| 23:33.02 | badcloud | fifo? |
| 23:33.03 | max_posedon | *wget -O - > temp* |
| 23:33.08 | max_posedon | yep |
| 23:33.15 | badcloud | what is fifo? |
| 23:33.28 | max_posedon | pipe) |
| 23:33.35 | max_posedon | pipe created on fs |
| 23:33.45 | max_posedon | never bigger that 4k(by default) |
| 23:33.45 | lindi- | pipe with name |
| 23:34.02 | badcloud | wow |
| 23:34.06 | badcloud | sounds complicated |
| 23:34.37 | mwester | It's actually astonishingly simple, once it all becomes clear. :) |
| 23:35.04 | mwester | It makes you wonder why so many operating systems make so many things so hard to do and so inflexible. |
| 23:35.50 | badcloud | ok |
| 23:35.54 | badcloud | step by step |
| 23:35.57 | badcloud | what's first? |
| 23:36.34 | badcloud | mkfifo temp? |
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| 23:38.21 | badcloud | shouldn't it be 'wget -O temp | dfu-util -D temp' instead ('|' in place of ';'), max_posedon? |
| 23:38.35 | lindi- | no |
| 23:38.38 | max_posedon | shouldn't |
| 23:38.47 | lindi- | badcloud: you should run the commands from separate terminals probably |
| 23:39.01 | mwester | no, that's one too many pipes. the "|" symbol specifies a pipe between the two commands, in memory. |
| 23:39.22 | mwester | And yes, separate terminals is better. |
| 23:39.34 | max_posedon | badcloud, 1. "wget -O - > temp" 2. "dfu-util -D temp" |
| 23:39.54 | badcloud | after running 'mkfifo temp' |
| 23:39.57 | max_posedon | yep |
| 23:40.46 | mwester | then dfu-util reads from temp while wget writes to it... and temp never contains more than 4KB of data at any one time (which means you don't need disk space for the entire image you are wget'ing). :) |
| 23:41.44 | badcloud | so for rootfs, dfu-util doesn't need '-a' or '-R'? |
| 23:41.49 | badcloud | in this case I mean |
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| 23:42.54 | lindi- | max_posedon: yep it won't use any disk space at all (except for the inode) |
| 23:42.55 | max_posedon | of cource need!, we are just too lonely to write full commands |
| 23:43.02 | badcloud | ha |
| 23:43.42 | max_posedon | lindi-, I know it) I just don't know how much it store by default, 4k or 64k) |
| 23:44.20 | badcloud | here goes nothing |
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| 23:44.49 | max_posedon | did you run this commands from different terminal? |
| 23:44.59 | badcloud | yup |
| 23:45.12 | badcloud | no positive output |
| 23:45.16 | max_posedon | it can't "do nothig", dfu-util must say smth |
| 23:45.48 | badcloud | terminal 1 http://www.mibbit.com/pb/3ikQS2 |
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| 23:46.04 | badcloud | terminal 2 http://www.mibbit.com/pb/rAmhCe |
| 23:47.13 | max_posedon | oh... this is the reason why I hate busybox |
| 23:47.58 | badcloud | so, no go? |
| 23:49.11 | badcloud | it seems more a problem with wget than with dfu-util |
| 23:49.12 | max_posedon | hm... does openwrt has /dev/stdin /dev/stdout? you can try |
| 23:49.25 | max_posedon | wget -O /dev/stdout > temp |
| 23:49.30 | badcloud | ah |
| 23:49.47 | max_posedon | or, wget -O /proc/self/fd/0 > temp |
| 23:50.05 | badcloud | first try |
| 23:50.55 | badcloud | '/dev/stdout: permission denied |
| 23:51.31 | max_posedon | try 2nd |
| 23:51.50 | badcloud | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/KB808N hehe |
| 23:51.57 | badcloud | that's the 2nd try |
| 23:52.50 | badcloud | it just printed out the file manually |
| 23:53.02 | max_posedon | oh... I haven't ideas in this case. |
| 23:53.17 | badcloud | should there be some timing between the two terminals? |
| 23:53.25 | max_posedon | install linux in virtualbox) |
| 23:55.21 | Dave | hei o/ |
| 23:56.29 | badcloud | wait, I'm not giving up just yet |
| 23:56.29 | badcloud | which command should be run before? |
| 23:56.30 | badcloud | up til now I tried wget first |
| 23:56.30 | badcloud | maybe it might work the other way around |
| 23:56.58 | badcloud | 01:55badcloudwait, I'm not giving up just yet 01:55badcloudwhich command should be run before? 01:56badcloudup til now I tried wget first 01:56badcloudmaybe it might work the other way around |
| 23:57.02 | badcloud | sorry |
| 23:57.14 | badcloud | forgot I had to restart the router because of that funky output |
| 23:58.01 | Dave | :P |
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