| 00:00.24 | max_posedon | vaiursch, no, I just force loading - but anyway results are same |
| 00:01.20 | vanous123 | max_posedon: i know it actually required echo ppp-generic > /etc/modutils/ppp-generic; update-modules; reboot |
| 00:01.28 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: true. Glad you agree. And yet most distrib vendors enable "autohinting" and AA instead of providing users with clear and sharp fonts :-/ |
| 00:01.56 | max_posedon | vaiursch, no, there is some kind of bug inside python site-package |
| 00:02.27 | vaiursch | max_posedon: watch your tab completion ;-) |
| 00:02.50 | max_posedon | e.g lsmod shows me that ppp-generic loaded, but bug is the same. |
| 00:02.54 | max_posedon | ok, I'll try)) |
| 00:06.15 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: btw, does world economic crysis affect people in BY? What TV says about it? |
| 00:11.02 | max_posedon | Yes, but without big problems for people. USD increased only on 30% (not 50% as in Ukrain/Russian). Some factories begin work on 4-work-days weeks. |
| 00:11.33 | max_posedon | in IT some companies push out junior developers, or decrise payment on 10% |
| 00:12.15 | max_posedon | as for me - company in which I work, don't affected at all. |
| 00:13.19 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser_: what's recent status on calypso-IRQ investigation? |
| 00:13.21 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: great for you :) So, you don't want to move to Ukrain? ;) |
| 00:14.09 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser_: do we still want to probe testpoints and raw-read GPIOs, or should it escalate to Dieter? |
| 00:14.35 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, actually nothing keeps me in Belarus, If I find more intersting/payed work anyway I'll easly relocate. |
| 00:14.44 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: i reproduce lost interrupt 100% after first power up of calypso. That is, i start minicom, echo 1 > power_on, register to network manually, call it, see unsolicited messages, hang up. echo 1 > flowcontrolled, call again, irq number doesn't increase. Only the first time |
| 00:15.22 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: I think it's better to tell Dieter about that last testcase which is reproducible. Looks much like a calypso firmware problem to me. |
| 00:15.39 | lindi- | tries to reproduce that |
| 00:15.59 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: because when i cut power to the calypso and do that all again, it repeats. Just for the first time, but the irq counter stays the same. |
| 00:16.09 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: very nice of you, thanks :) |
| 00:16.50 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser_: I would much apprecviate some scope-screenshots showing flowcontrol(RTS/CTS?) and IRQ during the time a unsol msg is provoced by e.g. inbound call |
| 00:16.50 | bove2 | I have a problem trying to start bluetooth on debian. It outputs |
| 00:17.15 | bove2 | SetPower failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
| 00:17.21 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: but don't you feel awkward living in a country _so_ non-free? To be honest, i get depressed very often just after hearing russian news about our freedom problems.... |
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| 00:17.50 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser_: well maybe Dieter could do these as well |
| 00:18.03 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: no equipment here at home yet. And i don't know how to properly hook tektronix to a linux box at work yet. |
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| 00:19.04 | PaulFertser_ | bove2: you gotta investigate /etc/dbus-1/ configs :( |
| 00:19.30 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, hm... I don't feel myself non-free. I don't interested in politics at all - so I'm totally free there, and can do anything what I want. You shouldn't belive your TV.) |
| 00:19.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: yes i can reproduce that. |
| 00:20.21 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: i see "RING RING" when i echo 0 > flowcontrolled after that so calypso clearly saw the second call and was buffering messages about it. but the interrupt count just did not increase |
| 00:20.23 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: i believe the actors from Brest theatre who told us stories about censorship. |
| 00:20.34 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: exactly. Thanks a lot for testing! |
| 00:20.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | max_posedon: only there isn't much to do anyway ? ;-) |
| 00:20.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: used socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,b115200 instead of minicom btw |
| 00:21.24 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: but if you don't care about artists, about freedom activists, about writers and others who _need_ freedom, well... |
| 00:21.31 | gurugentoo | any ideas why in gentoo emerge isn't picking up packages from an overlay? |
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| 00:21.48 | gurugentoo | I'm trying to use the openmoko overlay |
| 00:22.16 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, Once more, I hate politics at all, all they guys first of all, LIKE politic games. |
| 00:22.34 | max_posedon | Many my friends "play" in "hating goverment" |
| 00:23.02 | max_posedon | some of them use this games to take moneys from abroad, some of them relocates |
| 00:23.13 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: i don't like politics either. But the truth is: you have to pass the censorship department to make art. |
| 00:23.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: sorry btw, shutdown my fresh suse11.1 :-/ |
| 00:23.44 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, I don't know anything about it, but I think it isn't hard. |
| 00:23.55 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: that means i should repeat that i don't have tektronix at home? ;) |
| 00:24.33 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: ok, lets not talk politics here. If you're ok with it, fine. |
| 00:25.28 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: lindi- 's just reproduced my "missed irq" case in case you missed it. |
| 00:25.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | it vanished from my screen on reading the word "equipment". missed all after that until <PaulFertser_> bove2: you gotta investigate /etc/dbus-1/ configs :( |
| 00:25.46 | bove2 | how can I get the SHR addressbook in debian? |
| 00:27.15 | bove2 | PaulFertser_: I'm not shure what I'm looking for in dbus-1 configs |
| 00:27.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: still I don't see this is a proof for calypso not asserting irq |
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| 00:27.33 | PaulFertser_ | bove2: permissions. I can't give you any more detailed instructions. |
| 00:27.55 | Thamos | bye! |
| 00:28.01 | bove2 | k |
| 00:28.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: how can you rule out SoC is masking the IRQ? |
| 00:28.11 | slaxxin | doc why u use suSe |
| 00:28.18 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: the kernel doesn't touch interrupt configuration, afaik. |
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| 00:30.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: bad habit? Or maybe cause their Office is so close to my flat |
| 00:32.11 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: have you ever seen Luc Verhaegen? |
| 00:32.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | hm, dunno |
| 00:33.12 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: maybe now that we can reproduce this it would be good time to open a bug report about this issue? |
| 00:33.13 | PaulFertser_ | He's belgian ATI radeonhd developer. |
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| 00:33.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: so that all the details would be for anyone to find |
| 00:33.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | so after powerup we need to clear bogus IRQ |
| 00:34.04 | PaulFertser_ | Clear? But its handler clears it. It does nothing, just increases count. |
| 00:34.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | lindi-: brilliant idea |
| 00:34.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: ahh, ok then |
| 00:34.41 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: but that's not OM-way. We better discuss it here and then private message to Dieter ;) |
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| 00:37.57 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: i've an idea. Look, we set up to edge_rising. And default output of calypso is 1 (my speculation). Then we poweroff it, it pulls down the line, we poweron, interrupt generated. To generate interrupt calypso switches the line to 1 (but it's already, we miss the edge), then to 0. After that everything works as designed. Even multimeter is enough to verify this theory. |
| 00:39.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: yup, though i'd believe as well calypso pulling line to low for INT |
| 00:40.19 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: testpoint will show, but i've not unglued the LCD yet. |
| 00:40.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | hrhrrhr |
| 00:40.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | nasty job |
| 00:41.15 | PaulFertser_ | Will be funny if the problem is really that easy :) |
| 00:41.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | and there's some nasty rubber as well. never gotnit what its for |
| 00:42.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: warm up whole device to some 60°C, will help a lot |
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| 00:45.03 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: are you saying that we will only miss the first interrupt? |
| 00:45.29 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: but i don't have a good o'scope (that can wait) anyway. |
| 00:45.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: shouldn't we able to read the state of that GPIO pin by polling? |
| 00:45.35 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: it seems to me so |
| 00:46.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | lindi-: my suggestion |
| 00:46.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | "reading raw GPIO" |
| 00:47.11 | lindi- | ok i need the gpio tool |
| 00:47.16 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: it's F1 now when i can communicate with the device |
| 00:47.24 | lindi- | F1? |
| 00:47.43 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: not sure what that means, that what Werner's tool reports |
| 00:48.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, strange |
| 00:49.32 | lindi- | is still googling for the source code of gpio |
| 00:49.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: tried to read some other "known-good" GPIO? |
| 00:49.53 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: for the 4th pin (that is jack insert) i see F1 when inserted and F0 when not. |
| 00:50.05 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner |
| 00:50.05 | lindi- | found it |
| 00:50.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | ahh ok |
| 00:50.42 | Dave | Hi Joerg :) |
| 00:50.43 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: that does not have anything named gpio |
| 00:50.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi Dave |
| 00:51.08 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: but openmoko/trunk/src/target/gpio/gpio.c does |
| 00:51.08 | Dave | KenYoung, hey, still around? :) |
| 00:51.13 | Dave | Joerg, how are you doing today? |
| 00:51.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | :x |
| 00:51.50 | Dave | :\ |
| 00:52.06 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: yes, you're right again |
| 00:53.02 | bove2 | Any tips for simple, finger friendly contacts application in the debian repositaries? |
| 00:53.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | isn't that called s3c2442-gpio? |
| 00:54.32 | lindi- | is for "function" |
| 00:55.15 | KenYoung | Dave, Yup |
| 00:55.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: jack insert? |
| 00:56.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | headset jack |
| 00:56.38 | lindi- | ah it was example of "known good" GPIO |
| 00:56.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 00:56.54 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: yes, before i disable flowcontrol for the first time i see F1 there, after that nothing changes, after i enable it changes to permanent F0, if i disable flowcontrol again, it turns to permanent F1 until i enable it again. |
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| 00:57.06 | lindi- | which one is the the one connected to calypso? |
| 00:57.11 | PaulFertser_ | (that's while calling it) |
| 00:57.24 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: EINT1/GPF1 |
| 00:57.30 | Dave | :) |
| 00:57.51 | KenYoung | Dave, what's up? |
| 00:57.51 | lindi- | $ sudo bin/gpio f1 |
| 00:57.52 | lindi- | F1 |
| 00:58.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | sudo? |
| 00:58.46 | PaulFertser_ | He runs as a user |
| 00:58.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh |
| 00:58.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | keewl |
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| 01:00.26 | lindi- | so should the interrupt line be 0 normally? |
| 01:00.29 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: so, i think gpio clearly shows that this pin is active-high. Stays like that until calypso can send. And it's high by default. |
| 01:01.01 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: it depends on semantics. Current kernel configures irq on edge_rise. |
| 01:01.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 01:01.24 | lindi- | and there won't be any rising edge unless calypso first pulls it to 0 and then back to 1 |
| 01:01.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | which clearly is nonsense. should be level-low |
| 01:01.45 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: but current calypso firmware uses it as RTS, that is helds high when it needs to send something but can't. Or so it seems. |
| 01:03.22 | lindi- | and after first suspend/resume: $ sudo bin/gpio f1 |
| 01:03.23 | lindi- | F0 |
| 01:03.36 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: If it is really like i describe, it looks like a fairly trivial error to debug? Why did it take us so long? :( |
| 01:03.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 01:03.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno |
| 01:04.22 | PaulFertser_ | But high level after turning on is plain wrong anyway. |
| 01:04.43 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: should this mean that after first suspend all calls will be missed? |
| 01:05.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | could you run gpio in a while true loop, to make a poor mans scope? |
| 01:05.31 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: nope. If you have F0 after resume, then you'll catch rise on call, so that's ok. |
| 01:05.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: but when did it go from F1 to F0? |
| 01:06.07 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: while suspending? |
| 01:06.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: for some unsol it wants to send |
| 01:07.02 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: funny thing, i don't know |
| 01:08.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | we need a double-checked table like: |
| 01:08.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | on poweroff: 0 |
| 01:08.46 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: no, no unsol. Looks like it changed itself ;) |
| 01:08.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | after poweron: 1 |
| 01:09.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | when inbound call: p |
| 01:09.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | etc |
| 01:09.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | s\p/0/ |
| 01:10.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably lifting LCM is a more straight clear way to get decent results |
| 01:11.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | also could short to GND to see what happens on gpionreadout, etc |
| 01:11.28 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: probably asking Dieter to take a cursory look at the sources will be a faster way ;) |
| 01:11.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 01:13.05 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: btw, is that line on calypso side pulled anywhere at all? Can it happen that it's open-drain on both sides of irq link? |
| 01:14.12 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: because SoC is not configured to pulldown it. |
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| 01:17.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: possible. there's no pullup R afaik |
| 01:17.43 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: no, i confirm |
| 01:18.00 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: but then pullup sshould be enabled on calypso's side. |
| 01:18.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno if calypso outnis totem pole |
| 01:18.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | you could check on TP under LCM ;-) |
| 01:19.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | anyway if calypso is powerdown, state of line is kinda undefined |
| 01:20.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | but should not care |
| 01:20.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | as we dont expect any irq from down calypso |
| 01:21.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | for sure we should disable wake IRQ as long as calypso is off |
| 01:21.40 | PaulFertser_ | True. But if it's powered up, it should pull the line down anyway. |
| 01:22.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | err, there should probably be a pullUP somewhere |
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| 01:22.38 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: (do not wake up if calypso is not powered) good idea |
| 01:22.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 01:24.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | so my suggestion (C): mask that IRQ in sync with the hw-powerline-switch |
| 01:24.20 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: sure |
| 01:24.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | and enable on pushbutton |
| 01:24.38 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: but what should be the normal state of the line? |
| 01:24.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | no idea |
| 01:26.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | wake IRQs are somewhat special, as I think we need high level to trigger them, or sth like that. can't remember ATM |
| 01:26.45 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: so, the normal-low will certainly work. |
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| 01:27.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, if thats correct (IIRC) that means normal-low, active-high |
| 01:27.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | but I'm absolutely unsure about that |
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| 01:31.05 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: looks like it works like that now. But not right after the power on. And lindi- did something very interesting. Even though we see F1 right after power on, echo mem > /sys/power/state and resume clears it. That's what i have no explanation for yet. |
| 01:32.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | well instead of suspending just toggle *all* lines one by one that are connections between calypso and SoC |
| 01:33.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't forget RTS CTS and TX RX ;-) |
| 01:33.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | and the stupid pushbutton!!! |
| 01:33.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | we should scrutinize that one especially |
| 01:34.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | wrt what it does during suspend |
| 01:38.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: also I'm not confident the resume doesn't touch GPf1 configuration |
| 01:38.51 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: btw, can you suggest any decent software to interface with Tek o'scope? |
| 01:39.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope, sorry |
| 01:39.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | Werner is expert for this |
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| 01:46.43 | Dave | :) |
| 01:46.58 | Dave | Joerg, don't you think we should Scrutinize everything? ;) |
| 01:47.12 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: CTS_MODEM (H1) fall causes IRQ line to become low. |
| 01:48.31 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: so, while suspended even without additional write to flowcontrolled node SoC somehow helds it high or Z, i guess. |
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| 01:50.38 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: Do you really want to verify CTS_MODEM state while suspended without any additional tricks? I think it doesn't matter that much anyway because calypso shouldn't hold the line high after power on anyway. |
| 01:50.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4917 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (main.c sam7dfu.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:50.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:51:02 +0000 |
| 01:50.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: From: Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> |
| 01:50.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: To: openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org |
| 01:50.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Subject: dfu-util: missing includes |
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| 01:51.02 | CIA-49 | openmoko: I've been porting dfu-util to work with FreeBSD using the new USB stack |
| 01:51.04 | CIA-49 | openmoko: and the libusb 0.1 compatibility layer. While it builds and runs, I |
| 01:52.54 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: though now thanks to lindi- we have a userspace workaround: after powering the modem on, we should do echo 1 >flowcontrolled; echo 0 >flowcontrolled. And all interrupts will come. |
| 01:54.51 | PaulFertser_ | Cool, firmware upgrade is not need then. |
| 01:55.21 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: You've a talent to test, to find bugs and oddities :) |
| 01:55.43 | Dave | Nice |
| 01:55.56 | Dave | haha finally the truth is revealed |
| 01:55.59 | Dave | thanks werner :P |
| 01:56.59 | PaulFertser_ | Werner? |
| 01:58.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | obviously a bug in calypso-FW not initing the line on powerup |
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| 02:00.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | but to aggregate all findings, it seems calypso shouldn't work after powerup, until first suspend????? |
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| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | my conception was it's nearly the opposite way round |
| 02:01.47 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: it seems that calypso shoudn't wake up before first resume. |
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| 02:02.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | ah that males sense |
| 02:03.18 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: that is, it can't be a cause of first (after calypso's reboot) resume. I'm trying to verify that with zhone. |
| 02:03.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, ACK |
| 02:04.15 | PaulFertser_ | So, started Zhone, irq line is still F1. Suspending to verify. |
| 02:04.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: hotfix: echo 0 1 >flowcontr |
| 02:04.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | after calypso powerup |
| 02:05.11 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: exactly, i've already written it. |
| 02:05.27 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: it doesn't wake up now in zhone, cool. |
| 02:05.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | just quoting U ;) |
| 02:06.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | so resume with button, suspend again, call again... |
| 02:06.10 | PaulFertser_ | And it works as expected, yes |
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| 02:06.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | confirmed? |
| 02:06.47 | PaulFertser_ | yes |
| 02:07.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | cooool |
| 02:08.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't forget to mention my humble contribution - otherwise nobody knows I'm working a single minute ;-) (not as if it would matter anymore) |
| 02:09.12 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: btw, current framework usually fails to enable incoming SMS notification when it tries the first time, so suspend/resume after boot is good for the device anyway. :) |
| 02:09.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | :D |
| 02:10.25 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: You spent two night discussing and investigating it, not that humble contribution :) Whom should we notify about this issue and working work-around? |
| 02:11.33 | PaulFertser_ | I think i can contact all userspace developers who should apply work-around directly. |
| 02:13.37 | slaxxin | shr onkly? |
| 02:13.42 | slaxxin | only |
| 02:14.21 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: thanks a lot again! :) BTW, i hope you'll convince mickey to use dedicated alsa "devices" for output and corresponding hooks to switch profiles, the system will be much cleaner. I think he simply doesn't know about this possibility or never though about it. |
| 02:15.44 | PaulFertser_ | slaxxin: no, shr uses fso. So, that's FSO's old muxer, new power control system, pyneo stack, H:1, panicing's opensource android gsm lib. |
| 02:16.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser_: just send a msg to kernel-ML? |
| 02:17.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | or open a trak-ticket |
| 02:17.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'll ask Dieter to eventually fix it in FW |
| 02:18.23 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: But this issue is not kernel-related |
| 02:18.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, kernel is a catch-all for issues like this |
| 02:20.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | to be honest the hw-ml would be more appropriate. Alas not every devel is reading it |
| 02:23.03 | PaulFertser_ | DocScrutinizer2: Do you want to sent a mail to ML yourself or you want me to sent description of issue and userspace workaround? |
| 02:23.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | go ahead, it's your baby :) |
| 02:25.06 | PaulFertser_ | Ok, if i won't be sleeping all day tomorrow :) Really gotta sleep now, good night everybody. Thanks again Joerg, good luck! :) |
| 02:25.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | yust include a clear table as mentioned before, and maybe mention I think it's a calypso-FW bug that should be fixed by Dieter |
| 02:25.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | good night |
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| 03:45.30 | Dave | terve |
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| 04:51.27 | ashbert | has anyone tested audio capture from MIC to file on the neo1973 ? |
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| 06:25.41 | ccfly | hello :) |
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| 06:29.17 | slaxxin | NeoPwn must be dead |
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| 06:49.19 | Railer | hey whos home |
| 06:49.36 | joerg_42 | yawn |
| 06:49.59 | Railer | open moko and skype aka VOIP can it would yet? |
| 06:50.06 | Railer | work yet |
| 06:50.11 | Railer | not would |
| 06:50.26 | Railer | no idea where would came from? |
| 06:50.39 | Railer | they're new hands |
| 06:50.40 | gurugentoo | Railer: voip is available, no skype that I've heard of |
| 06:50.53 | Railer | voip any good? |
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| 06:51.08 | gurugentoo | I haven't used it, look up linphone |
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| 06:52.01 | joerg_42 | forget about skype. no way. go for SIP |
| 06:52.26 | Railer | SIP |
| 06:52.36 | joerg_42 | or try to crosscompile twinklephone |
| 06:53.14 | joerg_42 | SIP== @3#!*59 "5!<@!4@ #94 V980 |
| 06:53.21 | joerg_42 | SORRY |
| 06:53.30 | Railer | so heres a question for a group of nerds, if you had to change an entire community from a poor wired phone system to a voip using wimax what would you use? |
| 06:53.46 | joerg_42 | SIP==defacto-standard for VoIP |
| 06:54.26 | joerg_42 | SIP |
| 06:54.51 | joerg_42 | there's even "phones" for SIP |
| 06:54.57 | Railer | SIP== @3#!*59 "5!<@!4@ #94 V980? is that leet speak or did you just go grand maul on your keyboard? |
| 06:55.24 | joerg_42 | though not for WIMax afaik, only ether and WiFi |
| 06:55.46 | joerg_42 | FN-LOCK |
| 06:56.12 | joerg_42 | nokia N810 |
| 06:56.55 | Railer | well the wimax would go into a computer any voip should work |
| 06:57.25 | joerg_42 | yup |
| 06:57.41 | joerg_42 | see twinklephone.com |
| 06:58.29 | joerg_42 | or grandstream.com if U want a "classic phone" |
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| 07:01.34 | Railer | thanks |
| 07:01.39 | joerg_42 | np |
| 07:01.45 | Railer | really open up some ideas |
| 07:02.44 | joerg_42 | i know of some companies entirely switching to twinklephone |
| 07:03.16 | joerg_42 | callcenters |
| 07:03.36 | Railer | why do people not listen to their own narration on youtube, if everytime you say a "p" you blow the guys speakers out how is this helpful |
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| 07:05.27 | Railer | call centers is an idea for use |
| 07:06.19 | joerg_42 | see yahoo newgroupnof twinkle |
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| 07:07.17 | joerg_42 | there's a link on twinklephone.com |
| 07:07.46 | Railer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX4ixta17E << serious nerd porn |
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| 08:29.51 | Railer | so best distro for wifi ease of use? |
| 08:31.17 | Railer | So where is everyone? |
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| 08:37.59 | Railer | so best distro for wifi ease of use? |
| 08:38.33 | methril | morning |
| 08:39.36 | Railer | hey meth |
| 08:40.11 | Railer | what ever happened to ieatlint? |
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| 08:45.57 | methril | ieatlint? |
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| 08:47.24 | Railer | ya |
| 08:47.59 | Railer | he was in here regular for a long time back when this fr was new |
| 08:48.20 | methril | i don't know wherer it's |
| 08:48.53 | Railer | Hey what is the best distro for getting wifi and voip on this thing? |
| 08:48.55 | methril | ~last ieatlint |
| 08:49.07 | Railer | ~last ieatlint |
| 08:49.24 | Railer | that did nothing :) |
| 08:49.28 | methril | it's not command here, to see last time he enter in this channel :) |
| 08:49.44 | Railer | hes in now |
| 08:49.54 | Railer | I just never see him talking any more |
| 08:50.06 | Railer | did he get his wifi cinnector working? |
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| 08:51.07 | methril | i didn't hear any news in that way |
| 08:51.25 | Railer | no problem |
| 08:51.52 | Railer | anything on the wifi? |
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| 09:25.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:59.05 | jrodger | evening, anyone here? |
| 09:59.40 | henk | never |
| 10:00.42 | jrodger | ? |
| 10:01.33 | henk | just ask your question ;) |
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| 10:06.48 | gecco | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! 0.4 version is out |
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| 10:10.37 | jrodger | I bought the free runner, like the hardware but made a mistake and have qtopia on it, I was looking for some instructions to install OM2008.* |
| 10:10.52 | Defiant-_ | jrodger: you fund the wiki yet? |
| 10:11.09 | jrodger | yes, but I am confused |
| 10:11.26 | henk | jrodger: you don't want Om2008. it sucks, is old and won't be continued as it is anyway... |
| 10:11.28 | jrodger | also couldn't see phone from computer when connected with usb cable |
| 10:11.40 | henk | windows? |
| 10:12.22 | jrodger | fedora 10 |
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| 10:12.55 | henk | modprobe cdc_ether and look in 'dmesg' |
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| 10:15.12 | jrodger | if I don't want 2008, what is the newest distro? |
| 10:16.30 | Defiant-_ | You have lots of choices |
| 10:16.30 | henk | i'd recommend debian (as always), but shr seems to be good as well and perhaps a bit more geared towards mobile phone usage. |
| 10:16.51 | henk | hackable 1 is probably nice too... you could check the 'distributions' page in the wiki... |
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| 10:18.13 | jrodger | which of these distros has all the hardware capacity? qtopia doesn't seem to like the bluetooth, wireless, or accelerometres |
| 10:18.25 | jrodger | how do I get to dmesg? |
| 10:18.29 | henk | type 'dmesg' |
| 10:18.48 | Defiant-_ | jrodger: They all use more or less the same kernel, so support the same hardware |
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| 10:19.45 | jrodger | usb0: unregister 'cdc_ether' usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device |
| 10:19.53 | jrodger | ? is that helpful? |
| 10:19.59 | henk | jrodger: reconnect the device and try again. |
| 10:21.05 | jrodger | usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, be:3d:99:2b:bd:4a |
| 10:21.07 | jrodger | usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether |
| 10:21.11 | henk | good :) |
| 10:21.18 | henk | ifconfig -a should show usb0 now |
| 10:21.23 | henk | see the wiki how to use it |
| 10:22.41 | panicking | just a fast howto: |
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| 10:22.44 | jrodger | I'm an admin, sorry if I can't help....I can't see usb0 in ifconfig |
| 10:22.56 | panicking | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 10:23.11 | panicking | sudo route add 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 usb0 |
| 10:23.18 | panicking | neo is |
| 10:23.19 | panicking | 202 |
| 10:23.27 | panicking | It is an example |
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| 10:24.20 | jrodger | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 10:24.21 | jrodger | usb0: unknown interface: No such device |
| 10:24.36 | max_posedon | jrodger, just reconnect usb |
| 10:25.01 | max_posedon | and verify that your kernel has usb network support |
| 10:25.18 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: it does |
| 10:25.30 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: check the above dmesg |
| 10:25.30 | henk | obviously. open your eyes man :-p |
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| 10:26.12 | panicking | can you show the ifconfig -a |
| 10:26.14 | panicking | report? |
| 10:26.33 | jrodger | WOW, this is interesting.......how do I show the whole thing withour upsetting anything? |
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| 10:26.37 | henk | jrodger: so the last message in 'dmesg'-output is about a new cdc_ether device and _not_ about unregistering that device? you _did_ have usb0 before as you pasted above. |
| 10:26.44 | SpeedEvil | jrodger: pastebin |
| 10:26.53 | SpeedEvil | pastebin.ca |
| 10:27.25 | henk | SpeedEvil: do you know that the : after your hilights is irritating? it's fat or something... |
| 10:27.37 | henk | fat? bold? whatever... |
| 10:27.42 | jrodger | It is there now.......what am I looking for now? |
| 10:27.49 | Defiant-_ | BitchX? |
| 10:27.56 | henk | jrodger: the wikipage about usb networking... |
| 10:28.02 | SpeedEvil | henk: tell me how to turn it off, and I will. |
| 10:28.14 | henk | SpeedEvil: use irssi |
| 10:28.23 | henk | or any other non broken client... |
| 10:30.24 | Defiant-_ | yes BitchX... SpeedEvil try https://s23.org/wiki/BitchX |
| 10:30.27 | henk | SpeedEvil: or rtfm of your client. |
| 10:30.53 | jrodger | Thanks people, will go away and try now.... |
| 10:31.58 | henk | 113148 [freenode] -!- ircname : * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * |
| 10:32.01 | henk | hihi |
| 10:32.05 | SpeedEvil | henk: you care about the feature, I don't. |
| 10:32.20 | SpeedEvil | And I've read it, I just don't care to set the name. |
| 10:33.23 | henk | SpeedEvil: yes, the bold : is a bit annoying imho... |
| 10:33.54 | Defiant-_ | "nuttenpunkte" |
| 10:34.46 | Defiant-_ | henk: but my irssi ignores them |
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| 10:50.57 | buffoon | Hi! I'm getting a DBUS error when I launch remoko. The error is: DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was |
| 10:50.57 | buffoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.16 | buffoon | any suggestions there? bluetooth seems to be up |
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| 10:57.46 | buffoon | ah, ok now i see that remoko only works on 2008.9 without updates... http://code.google.com/p/remoko/issues/detail?id=5 |
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| 11:56.40 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: look at http://pastebin.com/d6ed5698f and remove extra "self" from line 180 if you want a quick fix. |
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| 12:12.15 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, thanks, but your link doesn't contain line 180 |
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| 12:19.32 | agg1n | damn, building shr takes a loooong time :/ |
| 12:23.24 | Ainulindale | building any distro takes a long time |
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| 12:34.46 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py does |
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| 12:50.58 | damunix | morning |
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| 12:51.39 | damunix | anyone already try to use usb host on GTA01 ? |
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| 12:52.50 | CM_work | damunix: Yes, it works (wasn't me trying though..) |
| 12:53.24 | damunix | Does it works on 2.6.26 && upper ? |
| 12:55.16 | CM_work | Hmm.. That I don't know.. |
| 12:55.31 | CM_work | usbgadget changed or so didn't it? |
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| 13:08.18 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, Hm... can you show me how exactly that line should be?, I tried remove first "self", second, both, but message is always the same. |
| 13:08.37 | max_posedon | (using cli-framework I see, exactly same backatraces..) |
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| 13:11.43 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it should look like that "return self.pathfactory( "ogsmd.gprs" )". After you modify it, restart frameworkd. |
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| 13:13.47 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: no need to restart it IIRC |
| 13:14.19 | max_posedon | without restart it wasn't work. |
| 13:15.46 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: Are you sure python reads every source file every time it uses functions from it? |
| 13:16.29 | Ainulindale | Well I think there's a mechanism to compare py/pyo dates |
| 13:16.32 | Ainulindale | Not sure though |
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| 13:16.35 | Defiant-_ | python reads on import |
| 13:17.09 | Defiant-_ | or reload() |
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| 13:17.31 | Ainulindale | Good to know I hallucinated then :-) |
| 13:17.40 | max_posedon | oh... right now I havent't that error, but still no any gprs connections... |
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| 13:20.13 | damunix | CM: no my pb comes from usb host |
| 13:22.17 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: please open a ticket at trac.freesmartphone.org then |
| 13:22.55 | max_posedon | oh... I'll do it at evening, right now I haven't usb-cable, hard to "copy-paste". |
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| 13:27.26 | joerg_42 | moin Ainu |
| 13:27.57 | joerg_42 | moin PaulFertser |
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| 13:29.21 | PaulFertser | joerg_42: hi :) |
| 13:29.25 | Ainulindale | Hey joerg_42 :-) |
| 13:29.35 | PaulFertser | joerg_42: just sent a letter to kernel ML. |
| 13:29.38 | panicking | I read the email |
| 13:29.43 | panicking | about the resume |
| 13:29.47 | panicking | of the calipso |
| 13:29.49 | joerg_42 | PaulFertser: great |
| 13:30.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: and? Fascinating, isn't it? ;) |
| 13:30.43 | panicking | that's happen if you put caplipsy in suspend mode |
| 13:30.50 | panicking | or anytime |
| 13:31.05 | panicking | android doe'st have callback |
| 13:31.08 | panicking | to suspend the device |
| 13:31.10 | panicking | and resume |
| 13:31.17 | panicking | it but I have plan to add |
| 13:31.36 | PaulFertser | panicking: calypso doesn't have a suspend mode. I think i described in the mail clearly enough. |
| 13:31.37 | panicking | I notice that it consume a lot |
| 13:31.39 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: Indeed great. And everyone that helped. |
| 13:31.44 | joerg_42 | theres no such thing as caplipsy suspend |
| 13:31.55 | panicking | low power mode |
| 13:31.57 | panicking | ? |
| 13:32.12 | PaulFertser | panicking: if you don't implement suspend/resume handling, then you'll woke up every now and then because of unsolited messages about network status and stuff. |
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| 13:32.32 | joerg_42 | no dependency on calypso state, other than power it up |
| 13:32.33 | PaulFertser | panicking: i've already sent you all the commands necessary to perform before suspending and after resuming. |
| 13:32.41 | panicking | I know |
| 13:32.46 | panicking | is see |
| 13:32.48 | panicking | I see |
| 13:33.21 | panicking | I will implement |
| 13:33.28 | panicking | but now the people ask |
| 13:33.30 | panicking | dtmf |
| 13:33.34 | panicking | and using the phone |
| 13:33.41 | joerg_42 | panicking: this *is not* about #1024 |
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| 13:57.11 | rhkfin | Hi! Is there a way to get the gsm base station information in 2008.12 |
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| 14:04.18 | Zorkman | dont know rhkfin, there is one for fso based distro's: http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html |
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| 14:08.01 | methril | rhkfin: it's a work in progress in the FSO |
| 14:08.51 | lindi- | methril: i just told him how to get it in fso, but for compatility we'd like to know how to do it with 2008.12 too |
| 14:10.02 | methril | lindi-:sorry, just see the message, and answer, i didn't follow the conversation :) |
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| 14:32.23 | cvwillegen | Congrats on the new FSO milestone! |
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| 16:16.21 | der-lehmann | http://www.gizmodo.de/2009/02/08/samsung-m7600-ab-mai-2009-handysound-in-bo-qualitat.html freerunner clon?? |
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| 16:20.11 | slaxxin | an openmoko wth buttons |
| 16:21.15 | max_posedon | More devices! Good and others! |
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| 16:34.21 | slaxxin | what happens when u piss off abunch of polocks? |
| 16:34.27 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.01 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:38.32 | nio_ | 'lo |
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| 16:59.28 | agg1n | how can i build openmoko-messages3 without having to build the whole shr image? :( |
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| 17:00.54 | kraut` | how can i disable the wifi icon in the panel after ifdown eth0 ? |
| 17:01.58 | kraut` | im usining om2008.12 |
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| 17:33.40 | slaxxin | kraut |
| 17:34.08 | slaxxin | do u like 2008.12 better than the others so far? |
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| 17:41.36 | kraut` | im not sure |
| 17:41.39 | kraut` | :) |
| 17:42.16 | kraut` | i had some problems with FSO |
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| 17:42.24 | slaxxin | did u try bytestores 2008.12? |
| 17:42.32 | kraut` | no |
| 17:42.48 | slaxxin | loaded with software |
| 17:43.10 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 17:43.47 | kraut` | ah thx |
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| 17:44.09 | slaxxin | .28 works with no sound |
| 17:44.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.16 | kraut` | so lets try bytestores image :) |
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| 17:48.49 | slaxxin | thanks to the wikiman |
| 17:49.02 | slaxxin | u will really like it |
| 17:49.42 | slaxxin | wiki has really been organized to my likeing |
| 17:49.43 | spydon | is the android image "stable"? :P |
| 17:50.10 | slaxxin | havent tried it lately |
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| 17:50.36 | slaxxin | i hear of beta 3 though |
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| 17:52.23 | slaxxin | wikiman hass been at it |
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| 17:52.47 | spydon | hmm |
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| 18:01.13 | slaxxin | i wanna try to install an image using slax:) |
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| 18:05.44 | Defiant-_ | http://j4p543.just4play.biz/_einechtergeht/img/usesofgoogle.jpg |
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| 18:17.14 | rhkfin | kraut`: you can also try http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Kustomizer to install 'stuff' to a clean 2008.12 |
| 18:17.27 | rhkfin | It doesn't do miracles, just installs some packages people might need |
| 18:17.48 | kraut` | :) thx |
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| 18:22.41 | slaxxin | i tried kustomizer:( |
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| 18:24.42 | kraut`1 | how can i disable the wifi icon in the panel after ifdown eth0 ? Om2008.12 illume. anyone knows? |
| 18:24.59 | slaxxin | i guess it was because i did it to bytestore 2008.12 |
| 18:25.56 | kraut`1 | i dont like the bytestore image except pidgin :) |
| 18:26.23 | slaxxin | thats funny |
| 18:26.31 | slaxxin | why pidgen? |
| 18:26.44 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.00 | kraut`1 | because i had some problems , installing it via opkg |
| 18:27.18 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.25 | kraut`1 | but its not important |
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| 18:27.50 | slaxxin | installing pidgin via opkg? |
| 18:27.56 | kraut`1 | now im interessted to know how to hide wlan icon in panel if the device is off |
| 18:28.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.37 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.38 | kraut`1 | its always shown, independent from the status of eth0 |
| 18:28.50 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.39 | slaxxin | i remember |
| 18:30.00 | kraut`1 | it sounds good but never heard , im googeling.. |
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| 18:31.02 | slaxxin | yea i remember the wifi icon in the shelf not gouiing off when u turn off wifi --is what i meant |
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| 18:31.59 | kraut`1 | ah, and you have no solution ? |
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| 18:32.17 | slaxxin | no |
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| 18:34.57 | spydon | Have anyone got android beta 3 to work? |
| 18:35.16 | igor321 | oui |
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| 18:39.55 | slaxxin | so is wifi still on? |
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| 18:40.05 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.32 | kraut`1 | no just the icon in the panel |
| 18:40.41 | slaxxin | the icon linksge is incorrect? |
| 18:41.04 | kraut`1 | where can I find them? |
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| 18:41.30 | slaxxin | i dont know |
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| 18:53.43 | spydon | igor321, did you just flash it in? |
| 18:54.12 | igor321 | spydon: yessir |
| 18:54.30 | spydon | igor321, for how long was it black until it started? |
| 18:54.41 | spydon | Mine has been black for +10min now :P |
| 18:54.52 | igor321 | igor321: never for that long, 20 secs tops |
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| 18:55.29 | spydon | weird, and you flashed with koolus images? |
| 18:55.50 | igor321 | what bootloader are you using? |
| 18:56.11 | igor321 | btw there's #freerunner-android |
| 18:56.16 | igor321 | jus' sayin' |
| 18:56.18 | igor321 | :) |
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| 19:07.37 | rhkfin | slaxxin: what happened when you tried Kustomizer to bytestore 2008.12 . MOst likely it's a mess since he's done some of the things there already but I'd like to know how far did it go. |
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| 19:11.51 | gurugentoo | never thought I'd be adding a swap file on my phone |
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| 19:39.22 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm running FSO-stable milestone5, but the repo's seem to be lacking important things like wpa_supplicant and some useful apps, am I doing something wrong or what ? |
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| 19:44.11 | kraut`1 | Bert_2: if there is no eth0 try: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 19:45.16 | kraut`1 | or check that this is true : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState WiFi |
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| 19:46.54 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: is that all one line ? |
| 19:47.09 | kraut`1 | jo |
| 19:47.17 | kraut`1 | y |
| 19:47.55 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: it returns false, does that mean it's off ? |
| 19:48.04 | kraut`1 | yes |
| 19:48.13 | kraut`1 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 19:48.16 | kraut`1 | to enable it |
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| 19:50.05 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: is there any wifi managing program in FSO milestone5 (cause I don't want to enable and disable it everytime and using the terminal to connect to wifi isn't that great at all) ? |
| 19:51.37 | kraut`1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Modified_script |
| 19:51.45 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: and is it also possible that the FSOm5 doesn't have dhclient |
| 19:52.00 | kraut`1 | under /usr/share/aaplication/ |
| 19:52.25 | kraut`1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.34 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: I'm on FSO I'm missing stuff like wpa_supplicant and all the other great stuff |
| 19:52.56 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: or wait, now it's there :S |
| 19:52.57 | kraut`1 | i think wpa_supp.. is installed |
| 19:53.48 | kraut`1 | for starting stopping wlan make a desktop icon like this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Modified_script under /usr/share/applications/ |
| 19:53.57 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: it is installed but the package list claims it doesn't exist |
| 19:54.27 | kraut`1 | static ip , i use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:54.40 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: and how should I call the file ? |
| 19:55.07 | kraut`1 | im very new at openmoko too, now i use om2008.12 beacause i had too much problem with FSO M5 |
| 19:55.15 | kraut`1 | wlan.desktop |
| 19:55.30 | kraut`1 | look at the other *.desktop for examples |
| 19:55.39 | Bert_2 | om2008.12 doesn't work that well for me, I couldn't get it to suspend |
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| 19:55.52 | kraut`1 | it doesnt matter only *.desktop is importabt |
| 19:55.58 | Bert_2 | and FSOm5 worked well enough as soon as I installed zhone to make it a usable phone |
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| 19:56.17 | sinclair | hello |
| 19:56.55 | Bert_2 | hi sinclair |
| 19:57.02 | sinclair | Hi Bert_2 |
| 19:57.15 | kraut`1 | hi @all ;) |
| 19:57.25 | sinclair | Wondering if this is the right place to ask a question or two about openmoko? |
| 19:57.32 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: do you know how I can have the menu reload so that the icon is visible ? |
| 19:57.45 | kraut`1 | sinclair: try it ;) |
| 19:57.48 | Bert_2 | sinclair: sure, go ahead |
| 19:57.55 | sinclair | was sent here by someone in Google Summer of Code chat room |
| 19:58.07 | sinclair | I'm a teacher in UK |
| 19:58.13 | kraut`1 | Bert_2: i dont know |
| 19:58.28 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: I'll reboot it then :P |
| 19:58.41 | sinclair | there's a bunch of us who are working together to promote IT use in classrooms and we've noticed that there is something missing |
| 19:58.53 | kraut`1 | as i said befor im new at openmoko :) Bert |
| 19:59.26 | sinclair | is there a way of sending things (text, docs, pictures, audio) by bluetooth to a whole buch of mobile phones at once? |
| 19:59.27 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: I've had my phone for 2 days now, but I've learned tons already |
| 19:59.52 | Bert_2 | sinclair: it's possible yeah, but I'm not sure if it's "easy" |
| 20:00.00 | sinclair | not been able to find anything and gsoc said perhaps someone here would know |
| 20:00.18 | sinclair | kind of like a bluetooth broadcast, I suppose? |
| 20:00.49 | Bert_2 | sinclair: well, the best way to do it inside a school is the following I think |
| 20:01.45 | Bert_2 | you'd have a big bluetooth station (which is a device with multiple bluetooth transmitters/receivers) and have all clients (phones, PCs) connected to it, and then you can send it over and the clients jut have to accept it |
| 20:02.10 | Bert_2 | that's what I can think off of course, but there probably are other (perhaps easier) ways to do the same thing |
| 20:02.23 | kraut`1 | Bert_2 which fso image u re using? |
| 20:02.37 | sinclair | oh is that how bluetooth works then? one transmitter to each receiver? |
| 20:02.49 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: FSOm5 illume |
| 20:03.09 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: image file name: "fso-illume-image-om-gta02.jffs2" |
| 20:03.57 | kraut`1 | i will try fso again |
| 20:04.57 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: the image is only 80MB but you will have to use USB networking and SSH to install apps on it (it comes with NOTHING) |
| 20:06.51 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: the "wlan" item didn't turn up |
| 20:07.40 | kraut`1 | try to press power once -> standby, press it twice for wake up, i think after that wlan was running |
| 20:08.12 | kraut`1 | i think i had this issue |
| 20:08.19 | kraut`1 | but not sure |
| 20:08.31 | Bert_2 | if I look at the other .desktop files I see very different file layout |
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| 20:10.22 | sinclair | saw several possibilities for sending by bluetooth to multiple phones by searching sourceforge project list but they all look like they are inactive. Is there any work within openmoko that might achieve similar function? |
| 20:11.28 | Bert_2 | sinclair: to be honest, most openmoko distributions are still trying to get icons working or lack a phone app, so I'm afraid bluetooth connectivity is music from the future |
| 20:11.34 | Bert_2 | sinclair: I'm sorry man |
| 20:11.56 | kraut`1 | [Desktop Entry] |
| 20:11.56 | kraut`1 | Name=eth0 start |
| 20:11.56 | kraut`1 | Comment=eth0 start |
| 20:11.56 | kraut`1 | Encoding=UTF-8 |
| 20:11.56 | kraut`1 | Version=1.0 |
| 20:11.57 | kraut`1 | Type=Application |
| 20:11.59 | kraut`1 | Exec=xterm -e "wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -D wext -B \ sleep 10; udhcpc" |
| 20:12.00 | sinclair | aww well, thanks. It was worth a try |
| 20:12.02 | kraut`1 | Icon=gtk-network |
| 20:12.04 | kraut`1 | Terminal=true |
| 20:12.06 | kraut`1 | Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
| 20:12.08 | kraut`1 | SingleInstance=true |
| 20:12.10 | kraut`1 | StartupNotify=true |
| 20:12.12 | kraut`1 | <---- Bert_2 |
| 20:12.19 | kraut`1 | srry for pase ;) |
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| 20:12.22 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: Already doing something similar, but thx (that's easier, copy past) |
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| 20:15.46 | sonic | Hi people. Anyone know a way to sync their contacts with their OM using a Mac? |
| 20:16.27 | Bert_2 | sonic: I'm afraid there won't be an app for that yet |
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| 20:17.08 | sonic | Ah, pity. Is there an export->copy->import option? |
| 20:17.16 | Bert_2 | kraut`1: any idea how the stop lan script would look like ? |
| 20:18.35 | Bert_2 | kubrick is fluxing |
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| 20:19.01 | Bert_2 | yeah, they fluxed back in |
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| 20:19.02 | sonic | Bert_2: Is there a sync option for other OS's? |
| 20:19.02 | Bert_2 | sonic: I guess you could retrieve and import stuff from the commandline |
| 20:19.04 | kraut` | ... |
| 20:19.04 | kraut` | Exec=xterm -e "ifconfig eth0 down \ iwconfig eth0 txpower off channel 0 \ while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing wpa_sup'; done \ killall udhcpc" |
| 20:19.04 | kraut` | .... |
| 20:19.04 | kraut` | @ Bert_2 |
| 20:19.19 | Bert_2 | kraut`: awesome ;) |
| 20:19.27 | sonic | Bert_2: I wouldn't have a clue how to do that |
| 20:19.52 | Bert_2 | sonic: me neither, I'm sorry, but as you know, the Neo Freerunner is a dev phone |
| 20:19.59 | kraut` | just from here ;) ---> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Modified_script |
| 20:20.13 | Bert_2 | kraut`: ow, was it on there, I missed it then, sorry |
| 20:20.13 | sonic | Yep, thanks anyway Bert_2 |
| 20:20.33 | Bert_2 | kraut`: okey, for some odd reason it says it found a file but it doesn't add it to the menu :s |
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| 20:21.49 | kraut` | i dont understand: "found a file but it doesn't add it" |
| 20:21.58 | kraut` | what do you mean exactly |
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| 20:25.14 | Bert_2 | when I edited the wlan.desktop to the format they like it said something about that it found a file or something, but the icon is still not there (it doesn't get added to the menu) :S |
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| 20:25.44 | kraut` | ah kk |
| 20:25.45 | kraut` | hm |
| 20:26.31 | Bert_2 | but tango has a file here as well but it didn't get added to the menu |
| 20:26.37 | Bert_2 | so I guess it's something important |
| 20:26.43 | Bert_2 | that is broken |
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| 20:27.32 | kraut` | hm i dont know, cant reproduce it, waiting for flashing my device to fso m5 |
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| 20:30.17 | Bert_2 | kraut`: I'm now changing tangogps.desktop to match the structure of zhone.desktop |
| 20:31.10 | Bert_2 | I got it |
| 20:31.24 | Bert_2 | I need to make the categories Office |
| 20:31.30 | Bert_2 | otherwise it will ignore it :O |
| 20:32.50 | kraut` | evry *.desktop had to be category Office , to show it on desktop? |
| 20:33.37 | Bert_2 | kraut`: well, it had other categories, and as soon as I made it Office it worked |
| 20:33.46 | kraut` | hm |
| 20:33.48 | Bert_2 | so I guess it only takes certain categories as valid |
| 20:34.13 | kraut` | before you had "Application" as Category? |
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| 20:35.14 | Bert_2 | I'm not sure what I had |
| 20:35.22 | kraut` | ah ok |
| 20:35.23 | Bert_2 | (I changed things far too often) |
| 20:36.05 | kraut` | do you if there is a config file for this option /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
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| 20:36.20 | kraut` | it ugly to run mdbus everys start |
| 20:36.23 | kraut` | its |
| 20:36.43 | Bert_2 | kraut`: can't we put that in the exec too ? |
| 20:36.52 | kraut` | yes we can ;) |
| 20:36.58 | kraut` | but i dont like it |
| 20:37.09 | Bert_2 | kraut`: cause I want my wlan stop icon do disable wifi too to save power |
| 20:37.14 | kraut` | i think its a ugly hack |
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| 20:38.09 | Bert_2 | kraut`: it is, but it works |
| 20:38.17 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, I created ticket http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/354 (my gprs problems) |
| 20:38.26 | kraut` | this good enough for powersaving i think |
| 20:38.29 | kraut` | "ifconfig eth0 down \ iwconfig eth0 txpower off channel 0 \ while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing wpa_sup'; done \ killall udhcpc" |
| 20:38.45 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: cool, thanks :) |
| 20:39.09 | max_posedon | hm... better will be if, I say thanks, after fix) |
| 20:39.11 | Bert_2 | kraut`: how would the up and down command look with the dbus stuff in (I don't know how I should link them, with && or something else) ? |
| 20:40.18 | kraut` | \ or ; between it |
| 20:40.43 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: but. You didn't mentioned the traceback at all, that was the most important to fix first :) |
| 20:40.48 | Bert_2 | isn't \ for escaping ? |
| 20:40.53 | Bert_2 | (cause I deleted them) |
| 20:40.54 | kraut` | xterm -e " mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState WiFi \ wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -D wext -B \ sleep 10; udhcpc" |
| 20:41.05 | kraut` | new line |
| 20:41.10 | Bert_2 | woops |
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| 20:41.39 | kraut` | if u what to get rid of \ you have to replace it with ; |
| 20:41.44 | Bert_2 | shouldn't enabled by after that ? |
| 20:41.51 | kraut` | end write all in one line |
| 20:42.09 | kraut` | end = and |
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| 20:42.35 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: and. ogsmd DEBUG logs will be useful to understand the actual problem you have. |
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| 20:44.05 | Bert_2 | shouldn't it be xterm -e " mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState WiFi enabled \ wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -D wext -B \ sleep 10; udhcpc" |
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| 20:44.05 | Bert_2 | (you forgot the enabled I think) |
| 20:44.06 | max_posedon | hm... I thinked it mainly connected with pppd, but in a minute I'll attach new... |
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| 20:44.24 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: looks like you lost network registration right after attempting to use gprs. |
| 20:44.24 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: otherwise, everything works properly :) |
| 20:44.28 | kraut` | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 20:44.28 | Bert_2 | okey, so I was right :P |
| 20:44.29 | kraut` | should be the first command |
| 20:44.30 | Bert_2 | k |
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| 20:44.41 | kraut` | SetResource |
| 20:44.43 | kraut` | SET |
| 20:45.12 | Bert_2 | okey |
| 20:45.42 | Bert_2 | and if I call "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi disable" will the rest of the down command be useless ? |
| 20:46.06 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: really, some other, probably not software-related issue is involved here. Probably network condition/load/configuration. Not related to software bugs in FSO. Or so it seems to me. Needs ogsmd debug to look deeper. |
| 20:46.06 | kraut` | hm im not sure |
| 20:46.30 | Bert_2 | kraut`: me neither |
| 20:46.36 | kraut` | kill wpa_s... is always good after disabling eth |
| 20:46.42 | kraut` | wlan |
| 20:46.48 | kraut` | i think |
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| 20:48.32 | Bert_2 | kraut`: so what is the ultimate command to be sure it is totally off |
| 20:48.40 | Bert_2 | (the wifi) |
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| 20:50.22 | max_posedon | oh... PaulFertser you are right, I connected, (but first time since 20 todays tries) |
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| 20:50.50 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: congrats. Please fix the ticket and mention the real problem that lead to traceback. |
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| 20:50.56 | kraut` | xterm -e "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi disabled \ while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing wpa_sup'; done \ killall udhcpc " <-- i think, not sure |
| 20:51.12 | kraut` | Bert_2: |
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| 20:55.27 | Bert_2 | kraut`: tip: do not try to change the size of your top shelf, it will probably crash enlightenment at a certain stage |
| 20:55.39 | kraut` | thx |
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| 20:57.11 | Bert_2 | kraut`: do you know where the app icons should be stored ? |
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| 20:58.17 | kraut` | /usr/share/icons |
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| 21:01.50 | Bert_2 | sorry that I'm asking all these silly question but I'm a server admin so I'm not used to gui config file stuff |
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| 21:02.48 | kraut` | wich repsentories do you use |
| 21:02.55 | kraut` | only the defaults? |
| 21:02.58 | Bert_2 | yeah |
| 21:03.06 | Bert_2 | I don't know where to find extra repos and how to add them |
| 21:03.13 | Bert_2 | (I'm new to FSO and opkg) |
| 21:03.30 | kraut` | im too |
| 21:03.33 | kraut` | ;) |
| 21:03.41 | kraut` | why is there no xterm :( |
| 21:03.53 | Bert_2 | there's the vala terminal |
| 21:03.56 | rhkfin | The default 2008.12 is a pain |
| 21:04.04 | rhkfin | Go to opkg.org for some cool apps |
| 21:04.31 | Bert_2 | rhkfin: can I add them to FSOm5 without conflicting stuff ? |
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| 21:10.15 | Bert_2 | say, is there any destribution that is using the motion sensor/gyroscope thing ? |
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| 21:18.11 | Bert_2 | I think I'm gonna write a bash script for this cause I really want this to work |
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| 21:23.26 | azaghal | Bert_2: There is that cow application and 8-ball. |
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| 21:24.34 | Bert_2 | azaghal: got any links to those apps ? |
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| 21:24.40 | azaghal | Just a sec |
| 21:25.11 | azaghal | Bert_2: Oh, there's Duke Nukem 3D as well :) |
| 21:25.47 | azaghal | Bert_2: All those apps can be found on http://www.opkg.org/, I think. |
| 21:25.59 | Bert_2 | and do you also know apps that can actually make my wlan work ? |
| 21:26.23 | azaghal | Well, I got it working under Debian :) |
| 21:27.38 | azaghal | Bert_2: http://www.opkg.org/package_35.html http://www.opkg.org/package_17.html and http://www.opkg.org/package_2.html :) |
| 21:28.10 | Bert_2 | azaghal: and how's suspending on debian ? |
| 21:28.27 | azaghal | I don't think I've tried it yet. |
| 21:28.38 | azaghal | I kind of stopped using Neo atm :) |
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| 21:28.50 | azaghal | But I'd recommend trying hackable1 instead of the actual Debian. |
| 21:29.33 | henk | suspending is good |
| 21:29.52 | Bert_2 | azaghal: I tried it (hackable1) but it eats power as if at hasn't eaten in a month on my Neo |
| 21:29.57 | azaghal | henk: Multi-press poweroff button after suspend doesn't confuse it? |
| 21:30.06 | azaghal | Bert_2: Heheh :) |
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| 21:30.20 | azaghal | Bert_2: How much does the battery last on you with it? |
| 21:30.30 | Bert_2 | barely 8 hours |
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| 21:30.40 | Bert_2 | but I'm not sure if it's really suspended or not all that time :s |
| 21:31.01 | azaghal | I think it isn't. |
| 21:31.42 | azaghal | In which case that's not bad at all :) |
| 21:32.02 | azaghal | If I'd manage to find a configuration that makes Neo Freerunner be usable for 24 hours, it'd be great. |
| 21:32.03 | Bert_2 | but the most irratating things about hackable1 are the bad SMS client and the keyboard |
| 21:32.42 | Bert_2 | azaghal: on FSO, I think I can have it run for more than 24 hours if I leave it suspended most of the time (it will wake op on GSM of course) |
| 21:33.27 | azaghal | Bert_2: Heheh, I actually started learning python so I could easily develop apps for fso-based stacks :) |
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| 21:33.56 | azaghal | In fact, I want to create a nice fullscreen keyboard which would be transparent so you could see what you're typing beneath it. |
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| 21:34.33 | azaghal | And an application for activating modes for the two (sic) buttons on Neo. |
| 21:34.43 | Bert_2 | azaghal: that would be cool yeah |
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| 21:35.20 | henk | azaghal: in how far? i haven't noticed any problems yet, but haven't tested it really... |
| 21:35.53 | azaghal | henk: Eh? |
| 21:36.31 | henk | azaghal: multi power button press or whatever you meant about standby? |
| 21:37.07 | azaghal | henk: Ah... Well, you know that on some previous stacks pressing power button right after suspending (before it finishes) would hang the phone? |
| 21:37.14 | azaghal | *releases |
| 21:37.45 | azaghal | http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html looks interesting, although privacy-intruding :) |
| 21:38.08 | henk | azaghal: no, didn't know that. |
| 21:38.54 | azaghal | I know this happened on Om 2008.9 |
| 21:39.06 | azaghal | On 2008.12 too, iirc. |
| 21:39.12 | azaghal | Not sure about Debian. |
| 21:39.52 | d-b | azaghal: i couldn't get that to happen ... |
| 21:40.25 | azaghal | d-b: On Om's? |
| 21:40.55 | d-b | well not on om's really |
| 21:41.02 | d-b | android + debian + shr. |
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| 21:41.23 | d-b | if i push the suspend on debian before it fully resumes it will just suspend again.... i think |
| 21:41.39 | azaghal | Nice :) |
| 21:42.09 | azaghal | So far I've been the most pleased with hackable1, to be honest. e17 feels a bit slow. |
| 21:42.31 | azaghal | shr is nice, though. (if only it could also produce non-latin letters as well :) |
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| 21:43.47 | azaghal | d-b: Which package do you use for power management under Debian? powersaved? |
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| 22:00.22 | sigi | hi everyone |
| 22:00.48 | sigi | Is this the right channel to ask questions regarding SHR? |
| 22:02.13 | sigi | I'm unable to connect to the latest shr unstable image, usb0 doesn't show up in ifonfig... Sounds familiar to anybody? |
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| 22:05.49 | [df] | sigi: it's probably the right channel, but I'm afraid I don't personally know much about shr |
| 22:06.11 | [df] | you mean it doesn't show up in ifconfig on the fr or on the host? |
| 22:06.21 | bove2 | under Debian, font sizes get bigger and bigger (DPI I guess) each time I run an XRandr command. Any suggestions? |
| 22:07.25 | sigi | [df]: on the host |
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| 22:07.52 | [df] | was it working with the distro you were running before? |
| 22:08.03 | sigi | yes |
| 22:08.23 | [df] | weird |
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| 22:08.38 | [df] | what does it say in dmesg / lspci on the fr? |
| 22:08.41 | sigi | it was working with the shr image from about two weeks ago but stopped to work after a opkg update & opkg upgrade |
| 22:09.00 | azaghal | bove2: Try adding 'Xft.dpi: 120' in ~/.Xdefaults |
| 22:09.04 | sigi | and after a reflash it's still not working |
| 22:09.24 | azaghal | bove2: It will help only with apps using Xft library, though. |
| 22:09.45 | azaghal | And I'm not sure if it's being processed by default (the file, that is) |
| 22:11.16 | azaghal | bove2: Btw, the problem with dpi lies withing Xglamo (it doesn't seem to support xrandr's changing of dpi) |
| 22:11.52 | bove2 | but I only want to rotate the screen |
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| 22:12.17 | azaghal | bove2: Heheh, I know :) |
| 22:12.36 | sigi | [df]: well, dmesg on the FR doesn't reveal a lot for me, a lot of output for pcf50633 (whatever that means) and "usbcurlim to 1000mA" |
| 22:13.29 | azaghal | bove2: Restart the X server, then run xdpyinfo from console. Notice the dpi information. Then rotate the screen. Then run xdpyinfo again - and dpi has changed :) |
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| 22:14.04 | azaghal | bove2: And if you try changing the dpi with xrandr command, it won't work. |
| 22:14.26 | azaghal | So, Xft.dpi is more of a hack for applications using libXft |
| 22:14.35 | lindi- | azaghal: there is a patch |
| 22:15.20 | azaghal | lindi-: Is it available in binary packages already? |
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| 22:16.26 | lindi- | azaghal: only in those i built :P |
| 22:16.31 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 22:16.38 | sigi | [df]: shouldn't the FR also show up on a lsusb on the host? |
| 22:16.43 | azaghal | Did the patch make it into code repos at least? |
| 22:17.04 | lindi- | azaghal: i do not think so |
| 22:17.08 | [df] | sigi: it should yes, but I'm guessing the problem is with the fr recognising the device |
| 22:17.21 | lindi- | possibly |
| 22:17.31 | azaghal | lindi-: Erm... It would be silly if it wasn't :) |
| 22:18.42 | sigi | [df]: I'm trying a rebbot of shr. I had problems with dbus on the first boot after reflash, maybe this is the case here too... |
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| 22:20.33 | sigi | [df]: HA, nice! It really worked :) |
| 22:21.34 | [df] | safe :) |
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| 22:26.10 | sigi | [df]: thanks anyway for your help |
| 22:27.52 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Are you around? |
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| 22:35.52 | jonkristian | v5 vs. v6 , are there any issues i should be concerned about, a friend of mine is thinking about buying a fr with v5 off somebody. |
| 22:36.07 | fredrin | is it possible to clone sim-cards with the freerunner? Like have virtual simcards, so you don't need to switch all the time and reboot... Usefull if you travel or have several prepaid cards |
| 22:36.16 | mjr | no |
| 22:36.20 | fredrin | why? |
| 22:37.00 | mjr | sim is directly connected to the GSM chip and only accessible through it |
| 22:37.50 | sigi | jonkristian: yes, the GSM buzz, fixed in V7 (not yet in production as far as I know) |
| 22:38.18 | fredrin | :( and the gsm chip can't read from other places? |
| 22:38.25 | sigi | jonkristian: ..which is fixable by an SOP |
| 22:39.23 | jonkristian | How about compared to v6? |
| 22:39.50 | fredrin | how does dual sim phones work? |
| 22:41.01 | sigi | jonkristian: hm, good question. Did they fix the GPS-fix thingy from v5 to v6? I dunno |
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| 22:42.03 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: early v5 had no gps fix applied. But most v5 had it in place. |
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| 22:42.52 | jonkristian | ok, i think this one has no problem with gps, im just thinking about if it's worth it for him to buy |
| 22:42.52 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: and with any recent kernel hardware fix shouldn't matter anymore. |
| 22:42.58 | jonkristian | I see |
| 22:43.32 | markuman | hi |
| 22:43.44 | markuman | what do you know about this bug? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html |
| 22:43.47 | sigi | hi markuman |
| 22:43.58 | jonkristian | markuman: :D |
| 22:44.13 | markuman | hi jonkristian ;-) |
| 22:44.22 | markuman | is it possible to fix it with software? |
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| 22:58.22 | PaulFertser | markuman: no, this bug is not fixable by software. Though GSM buzz fix (not the one you describe) can be applied fairly easy by an experienced soldering guy. |
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| 23:00.22 | markuman | PaulFertser: yeah its the openmoko from a friend of me. he is an experienced electric nerd but said after that the effect is not gone |
| 23:00.35 | jOERG_rw | markuman: see my folder at openmoko/joerg |
| 23:00.43 | bove2 | just booted hackable:1 for the first time. Xserver does not start, ssh is not connectable, but I can ping it. any thoughts? |
| 23:01.00 | markuman | jOERG_rw: url? |
| 23:01.07 | jOERG_rw | markuman: after WAHT? |
| 23:01.30 | markuman | jOERG_rw: sry ^^ where to find that folder? |
| 23:01.34 | jOERG_rw | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg |
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| 23:01.43 | markuman | jOERG_rw: thx |
| 23:02.09 | jOERG_rw | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 23:02.54 | jOERG_rw | please elaborate! WHAT fix didn't completely stop buzz??? |
| 23:03.34 | jOERG_rw | the above SOP is supposed to stop internal mic buzz for GOOD |
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| 23:04.37 | markuman | jOERG_rw: thank you! |
| 23:05.01 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser: though you could exacerbate buzz by screwed up alsa settings :D |
| 23:05.27 | jOERG_rw | e.g. by enabling the NC line inputs |
| 23:05.49 | jOERG_rw | or using non-differential input mode for mic |
| 23:06.58 | jOERG_rw | anyway all "remedies" to improve buzz-situation by adjusting alsa I heard so far are mere crap |
| 23:07.28 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: how about filtering it with some clever software? |
| 23:07.37 | jOERG_rw | not possible |
| 23:07.41 | lindi- | why? |
| 23:07.54 | jOERG_rw | complex signal, weak CPU |
| 23:08.12 | lindi- | is it really too weak for that? |
| 23:08.19 | jOERG_rw | yup |
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| 23:08.25 | azaghal | bove2: Hm... It worked out of the box for me :/ |
| 23:08.40 | jOERG_rw | I'm not even confident it could be done on a core 4 |
| 23:08.56 | lindi- | i can't really try until the recording bug is fixed |
| 23:09.22 | lindi- | but after that i suppose i could record sounds from mic and at the same time use gprs as much as possible to cause buzz |
| 23:09.35 | jOERG_rw | I heard right sequence of starting alsarec and setting mixer avoids the segfault |
| 23:09.35 | azaghal | bove2: Are you sure you removed old keys from ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 23:09.47 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: yes it does but it's racy :) |
| 23:09.57 | jOERG_rw | :( |
| 23:10.12 | lindi- | and it's not just segfault, it's kernel oops |
| 23:10.16 | jOERG_rw | file a BIIIG BUG!! |
| 23:10.26 | jOERG_rw | eeeek |
| 23:10.27 | lindi- | i have filed it :) |
| 23:10.42 | azaghal | "Ooops, you need a new Neo, Neo, Neo" oops? ;) |
| 23:10.51 | jOERG_rw | well never will get fixed, OM set graeme free |
| 23:11.44 | jOERG_rw | I heard (rumors) |
| 23:12.34 | jOERG_rw | lindi-: better go fix it Urself ;-) |
| 23:12.52 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: i have done some attempts yes |
| 23:13.02 | jOERG_rw | great man |
| 23:13.03 | lindi- | i don't fully understand all the kernel stuff that is going on there |
| 23:13.09 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=arecord%0D%0A22050 links to the bug report |
| 23:13.13 | jOERG_rw | no surprise |
| 23:14.21 | bove2 | azaghal: but, X should still boot, right? |
| 23:14.59 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: since i'm still quite sure that it we could invent some clever software filter to get rid of buzz |
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| 23:16.00 | jOERG_rw | have fun with it. Make a good disertation for your master thesis |
| 23:16.56 | lindi- | :) |
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| 23:18.30 | jOERG_rw | U know GSM is plsed 200Hz square (harmonics!!), intermodulating audio from mic as well as introducing the 200Hz noise plus all even and oddharmonics |
| 23:19.26 | jOERG_rw | to make things worse, neither pulsing nor PWM is predictable |
| 23:19.46 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: but automatic gain control picks the buzz up only when i am not talking => I can just send silence when buzz is detected. i don't need to recover the voice |
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| 23:19.52 | jOERG_rw | you need damn smart filters to filter out noise like that |
| 23:20.32 | jOERG_rw | lol - that's an easy part. That bad issue is buzz WHILE U r talking |
| 23:21.00 | jOERG_rw | U could do that with calypso noisegate even I'd guess |
| 23:21.11 | jOERG_rw | (the easy part that is) |
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| 23:22.00 | jOERG_rw | but users complaining not about buzz during no-talk periods, but instead they complain about buzz rendering voice unlegible |
| 23:22.04 | azaghal | bove2: It should |
| 23:22.20 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: ah, here i only notice buzz when i am not talking |
| 23:22.44 | lindi- | in any case, we need reliably way to record audio before this can be even planned |
| 23:22.45 | jOERG_rw | so consider Urself a happy guy |
| 23:23.02 | jOERG_rw | there are no plans |
| 23:23.19 | jOERG_rw | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf works perfectly |
| 23:23.45 | jOERG_rw | and doesn't burn up Ur battery ;-) |
| 23:24.17 | agg1n | hey...is it ok to post a diff at a bug ticket? |
| 23:24.24 | jOERG_rw | believe me - it's impossible on a weak CPU lke 2442@400 |
| 23:24.31 | lindi- | jOERG_rw: but i need recording for other things too |
| 23:24.36 | lindi- | anyways, now away for a while.. |
| 23:24.57 | jOERG_rw | lindi-: agree, 100%ACK. C U |
| 23:25.03 | agg1n | which includes a fix |
| 23:25.20 | jOERG_rw | agg1n: that's the way I'd say |
| 23:25.48 | jOERG_rw | post as attachment |
| 23:26.10 | agg1n | ok, will do it next time! |
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| 23:26.23 | jOERG_rw | however have a look to standards for "signing" it |
| 23:26.26 | _charly_ | do you know if there's already a way to let distributors (pulster in my case) do the buzz-fix without loosing warrenty? |
| 23:28.07 | jOERG_rw | distris do reworks on impact of own warranty. OM doesn't have a warranty policy for distis, they get spare devices on a percentage base. So simple answer:; yes they can |
| 23:29.00 | jOERG_rw | But I'm not sure they actually DO |
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| 23:29.51 | _charly_ | hm, ok, then i'll ask pulster. i know he was in contact with om because of that a few weeks ago, maybe he can give more answers now |
| 23:30.40 | _charly_ | btw, about how much longer would the battery last when gsm is disabled completely? |
| 23:31.01 | jOERG_rw | well some german disti askewd me to do the actual rework. I missed to answer the mail ( :o( ). Anyway I'm not interested in mass rework |
| 23:31.37 | jOERG_rw | 10mA |
| 23:31.46 | jOERG_rw | 10mAh/h |
| 23:32.15 | jOERG_rw | so it completely depends on how much the rest of device eats up |
| 23:32.25 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: can you elaborate a bit about Graeme? Or i better not know? |
| 23:32.42 | jOERG_rw | if rest is 0mA, it lasts forever -> *infinity |
| 23:33.05 | _charly_ | that would be nice :) |
| 23:33.25 | jOERG_rw | I only heard someone mentioning it seems OM has finished contract with him. so hearsay |
| 23:33.56 | jOERG_rw | if the rest is also 10mA, it obviously will last twice as long |
| 23:34.23 | jOERG_rw | take all this with a grain of salt, it's over-simplistic |
| 23:35.36 | jOERG_rw | gsm isn't exactly known to eat a particular amount of mA, it depends on many factors |
| 23:35.43 | _charly_ | 10mA when it always has enough receiption, i guess. so it would be much more when the fr always reconnects to the network |
| 23:35.51 | jOERG_rw | but 10mA might be a ballpark value |
| 23:35.56 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: And he was the original author of the driver and even worked for wolfson, it seems. Hearsay that it wasn't OM's fault that he left. |
| 23:36.09 | jOERG_rw | (reconnect) exactly |
| 23:36.38 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser: dunno |
| 23:36.47 | jOERG_rw | for the last part |
| 23:36.51 | jOERG_rw | 1 two ack |
| 23:37.21 | jOERG_rw | at least partially |
| 23:37.42 | jOERG_rw | !seen xora |
| 23:37.43 | cdbot2 | XorA (n=XorA@94-193-93-235.zone7.bethere.co.uk) was last seen joining #oe 32 minutes ago. XorA is still on #oe. |
| 23:38.03 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: But if the issue is 100% reproducible (and what lindi- describes is easily reproducible), it shouldn't be too hard to fix, i hope :) |
| 23:38.30 | jOERG_rw | ask in #oe! (see above) |
| 23:39.14 | PaulFertser | jOERG_rw: yes, i see, thanks :) |
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| 23:53.34 | jOERG_rw | asked XorA, maybe broonie (from wolfson) might fix it eventually |
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| 23:58.30 | jOERG_rw | need to manage to talk OM into sending him a gta02 |
| 23:58.49 | jOERG_rw | otherwise debugging might become cumbersome ;D |
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