| 00:00.09 | PaulFertser | mwester: motivation is what matters a lot. And trying too hard to produce something that everybody likes will ultimately lead to the loss of sense. It'll become a technology how to take money away from uneducated people, nothing more. |
| 00:05.38 | PaulFertser | lpotter: most european people seem to be trying to earn more money (by producing and selling useless things) to be able to buy more useless things. Endless cycle, positive feedback loop. That doesn't bring hapinness. The opposite is happening: priorities are changing, money become more important than people. Which is clearly anti-humane. |
| 00:06.34 | shellevil | PaulFertser: No they don't! |
| 00:06.50 | shellevil | PaulFertser: they sell services to each other, and buy things from china. |
| 00:07.05 | shellevil | PaulFertser: this is clearly a saner and more sustainable financial model :) |
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| 00:07.50 | PaulFertser | shellevil: :) and supports totalitarian chineese goverment. Yes, this model makes more sense ;) |
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| 00:10.53 | lpotter | PaulFertser: not everyone is greedy |
| 00:11.06 | mwester | I am. |
| 00:11.53 | shellevil | wonders when the currency revaluation that doesn't end will hit the rest of the world. |
| 00:12.11 | mwester | It's human nature; it's programmed in. To deny it is to fool one's self -- and that is a form of insanity. |
| 00:12.22 | shellevil | Eventually, china and india and ... have to come up to more or less parity. |
| 00:12.29 | PaulFertser | I'd prefer to be called insane |
| 00:12.56 | mwester | The best we can do is to recognize that humans are motivated to better their own lot, and build a system that works with this. |
| 00:13.17 | shellevil | crowdsourcing or open source _requires_ sane leadership for good projects. |
| 00:13.53 | henk | how can i control the display backlight as manually as possible? |
| 00:14.07 | shellevil | Otherwise you get forking till apathy, until a leader emerges, or until the project dies. |
| 00:14.07 | PaulFertser | lpotter: but i'm talking not only about greedy ones. A greedy tries to save money/valuable things etc (that's pointless). But many other are earning and spending, earning and spending, without thinking about what's good and what's bad, what's fair and not. |
| 00:14.22 | mwester | PaulFertser: The day I may admit that I'm wrong will not be before I see someone who espouses ideas such as you claim to here, and actually acts on them -- by giving away everything they own to the impoverished, working for free, and living in utter poverty themselves. It won't happen... |
| 00:14.34 | shellevil | mwester: RMS |
| 00:14.36 | PaulFertser | henk: with the sysfs node |
| 00:14.38 | shellevil | mwe: sort-of |
| 00:14.53 | mwester | shellevil: and if you've met him, you'll know that he's insane. |
| 00:14.53 | henk | PaulFertser: which one? |
| 00:15.08 | shellevil | mwester: By many standards, yes. |
| 00:15.30 | PaulFertser | henk: look at /sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/ |
| 00:15.46 | mwester | anyway, software socialism seems to be where this conversation has headed to, and I shall bow out of that discussion. Pointless. :P have fun! |
| 00:15.59 | lpotter | PaulFertser: then it's a matter of the level of consciousness.. |
| 00:16.02 | shellevil | mwester: No! |
| 00:16.22 | shellevil | mwester: this is almost as much fun as debating how many GPLs you can write on the head of a pin. |
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| 00:17.26 | henk | PaulFertser: i'll never understand sysfs. thanks :) |
| 00:17.29 | PaulFertser | mwester: in fact, i know a guy who doesn't work and tries to help all the good people around instead. Really. He did an enourmous amount of work trying to make our world more humane. |
| 00:18.10 | PaulFertser | henk: echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/brightness |
| 00:18.12 | shellevil | For some things crowdsourcing doesn't really work. If the barrier to entry is high forex. Consider the utter lack of speech recognition and OCR in linux. |
| 00:18.21 | henk | PaulFertser: yup thanks |
| 00:18.46 | lindi- | shellevil: for debian there is gocr and tesseract, dunno about linux |
| 00:18.47 | lpotter | mwester: I disagree. I think its altruism thats human nature and greed is only learned |
| 00:19.21 | shellevil | lin: where 'utter lack' is 'stuff that works better than commercial from 1995 or so.' |
| 00:20.31 | PaulFertser | lpotter: i hope you're right |
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| 00:21.27 | lpotter | greed is not evolutionary beneficial |
| 00:21.47 | shellevil | lpotter: sure it is |
| 00:22.05 | lpotter | you cannot breed by yourself |
| 00:22.14 | shellevil | lpotter: If you're not greedy, and defend what's yours - including your mate - you die. |
| 00:22.22 | shellevil | (as genes) |
| 00:22.45 | shellevil | lpotter: speaking at least of hunter-gatherer societies. |
| 00:22.50 | lpotter | no, its greed that says your mate belongs to you |
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| 00:23.31 | lpotter | nurturing is being anti-greedy |
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| 00:23.59 | shellevil | And in the absence of effective legal systems, you lose to the first person that takes her to their cave. |
| 00:24.59 | PaulFertser | really has to sleep now. Good luck, everybody, i hope you'll find your way to happiness. :) |
| 00:25.03 | shellevil | wave. |
| 00:25.08 | shellevil | already has. |
| 00:25.11 | shellevil | It's cheese. |
| 00:26.38 | jpwdsm | just got my Freerunner, and "sudo dfu-util -l" shows nothing. I think it's because the IP addresses don't match up (mine is 192.168.`77`.3 and it's is 192.168.`0`.202) but I can't figure out how to modify /etc/network/interfaces because I don't have an ESC key to work with vi |
| 00:27.02 | lindi- | jpwdsm: DFU has nothing to do with IP |
| 00:27.27 | jpwdsm | lindi-: OK, than I just can't see it :D |
| 00:28.26 | shellevil | Do you have on your desktop usb0 |
| 00:28.26 | lindi- | jpwdsm: what distro are you running on desktop and what on fr? |
| 00:28.46 | shellevil | which is catered for by the cdc_ether module |
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| 00:29.06 | jpwdsm | lindi-: Arch on desktop, whatever came default on fr |
| 00:30.22 | lindi- | jpwdsm: i'm not completely sure what the factory shipped fr with, i am guessing om2007.2 |
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| 00:39.28 | RzR | someone pinged me ? |
| 00:41.25 | usr | how do i use python re.(find/match...) to extract the pfad from sht. like: -s /home/usr/... ? got this as one string in a variable |
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| 00:48.03 | AntonTakk | jpwdsm: ime, yes, you can play with the aux button during flashing, seems to prevent it here |
| 00:51.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r4e42f221f4b8 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add sending 07.10 TEST frames |
| 00:52.00 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r4afeacb21c3d 10/src/ (consts.vala multiplexer.vala): add protocol ping timeout |
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| 01:16.30 | badcloud | by the by, people, both numpty and that lemmings clone doen't work under shr unstable |
| 01:16.39 | badcloud | screen just goes wacko on startup |
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| 01:21.22 | badcloud | nothing new, as it seems |
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| 01:35.24 | slaxxin | except for some friends |
| 01:36.19 | kd8ikt | http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html <-- my new crush is on mokomaze |
| 01:37.11 | kd8ikt | labyrinth clone |
| 01:37.18 | kd8ikt | using accellerometers |
| 01:45.27 | slaxxin | yea its ok |
| 01:46.03 | slaxxin | i have the bytestore 2008.12 an mwesters kernel |
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| 01:46.14 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:46.58 | slaxxin | an got them installed into a games folder |
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| 01:51.04 | kd8ikt | nice, i hate having to scroll through the home icon apps |
| 01:52.10 | kd8ikt | i went out of my way to remove the elementary test app and rename launchers that i hardly use if ever to Z_$name so their at the bottom |
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| 02:04.40 | slaxxin | killer |
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| 02:51.17 | usr | nice |
| 02:51.34 | usr | what are you at guys? |
| 02:52.44 | usr | i try to write a gui for ctorrent |
| 02:53.13 | usr | lol... 154k/s now seeding ^^ |
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| 03:31.26 | slaxxin | so when do we get SHR M1 |
| 03:31.28 | slaxxin | ?] |
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| 03:34.09 | slaxxin | how do i make a .jffs2 file for a backup? |
| 03:34.34 | slaxxin | its not illeagle is it? |
| 03:35.58 | slaxxin | dfu? |
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| 09:02.45 | gurugentoo | is there anything special I have to do to get wireless working in FSOm5? |
| 09:03.08 | gurugentoo | I'm not showing an eth0 |
| 09:04.54 | PaulFertser | gurugentoo: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1 |
| 09:04.54 | Defiant-_ | powerup the device? |
| 09:05.38 | gurugentoo | Defiant-_: ah, simple! |
| 09:05.42 | gurugentoo | ish |
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| 09:10.00 | alexbkk | hi i'm using pidgin on my freerunner to connect to irc |
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| 09:10.29 | Zorkman | llo alexbkk |
| 09:11.27 | dns53 | it's cool but mainly pointless |
| 09:11.41 | alexbkk | I don't know why I can't add a yahoo account |
| 09:11.54 | dns53 | if we could get telepathy that may be better suted |
| 09:13.09 | alexbkk | telepathy is just a wifi adapter on your brain |
| 09:13.52 | gurugentoo | alexbkk: not necessarily, it could involve some form of quantum entanglement |
| 09:14.41 | alexbkk | that sounds more like collective subconscious |
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| 09:39.21 | gurugentoo | ok why does opkg update fail when I can grab the exact same files fine with wget? |
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| 09:40.10 | Dave | gurus! |
| 09:40.22 | Dave | opkg brokey? |
| 09:40.27 | gurugentoo | Dave: ya, haven't been on here in a while |
| 09:40.35 | gurugentoo | seemingly |
| 09:42.08 | Dave | I know :) |
| 09:42.18 | gurugentoo | Dave: is there an option to manually shove the files somewhere? |
| 09:44.13 | Dave | manually shove the files somewhere? as in, --download? ;) |
| 09:44.49 | gurugentoo | Dave: hmm I seem to have fixed it somehow..strange |
| 09:44.50 | Dave | O.o |
| 09:44.50 | Dave | magic? |
| 09:45.32 | gurugentoo | as long as the magic smoke doesn't come out, it's fine by me |
| 09:45.40 | Dave | heehee :) |
| 09:45.52 | gurugentoo | I think it was a network problem |
| 09:46.23 | gurugentoo | let's see how well zhone works |
| 09:47.24 | Dave | :D |
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| 09:49.46 | Dave | Virus. |
| 09:50.05 | CVirus | davey |
| 09:50.26 | Dave | Hallo |
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| 10:30.32 | soul9 | hmm, the shr-testing images have disappeared? |
| 10:31.01 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:31.42 | henk | soul9: use the unstable images |
| 10:35.03 | soul9 | i tried, don't work :-/ |
| 10:35.20 | soul9 | at least the latest one doesn't work |
| 10:35.24 | soul9 | x doesn't start |
| 10:35.46 | h4v | soul9: qi? |
| 10:35.55 | soul9 | yeap |
| 10:36.06 | Zorkman | it works with u-boot |
| 10:36.14 | henk | soul9: add 'rw' to your append-GTA02 |
| 10:36.16 | Zorkman | (at least on my Fr) |
| 10:36.24 | soul9 | hmm |
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| 10:36.42 | soul9 | ok |
| 10:36.56 | soul9 | henk: /boot/append-GTA02? |
| 10:37.19 | soul9 | '/join #ncurses |
| 10:37.26 | soul9 | argh heh |
| 10:37.29 | henk | soul9: yes |
| 10:37.38 | soul9 | henk:will do thanks |
| 10:38.58 | soul9 | henk: but...no usb networking |
| 10:40.47 | henk | soul9: could be related... |
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| 10:41.03 | soul9 | heh, yea |
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| 10:52.42 | spaetzFOSDEM | shr-testing is currently broken / unmaintained until shr-unstable is in a shape to replace them |
| 10:52.45 | spaetzFOSDEM | AFAIK |
| 10:54.58 | spaetzFOSDEM | current unstable seems to work, just the lock and suspend/poweroff buttons don't |
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| 10:57.47 | soul9 | ok |
| 10:57.52 | leachim_dot_eu_ | hi |
| 10:58.52 | soul9 | that didn't seem to help |
| 10:59.18 | soul9 | henk: is it on rootfs that i need to add the /boot/append-GTA02 file |
| 10:59.27 | soul9 | i didthat, but itdidn't work :-/ |
| 11:00.02 | leachim_dot_eu_ | does anybody have a working fennec.ipk ? |
| 11:00.15 | spaetzFOSDEM | no usb networking is normal on first boot. reboot |
| 11:00.27 | soul9 | there is no X either |
| 11:00.33 | spaetzFOSDEM | some might have to do "ifdown usb0;ifup usb0" to get it working. |
| 11:00.35 | soul9 | but ok |
| 11:00.55 | soul9 | gentoo netscripts with ifplugd integrated |
| 11:01.01 | soul9 | just plug the usb in :-) |
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| 11:07.55 | admiral0 | hi |
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| 11:08.53 | admiral0 | i know this may lead to a distro war, but i would like to understand which distro is better for me |
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| 11:09.19 | admiral0 | i haven't tested distros for a long time.. |
| 11:09.39 | soul9 | puts on his armor |
| 11:09.50 | soul9 | and helmet |
| 11:09.54 | hdfhefgaert43t | why ask others about what you should like? |
| 11:09.56 | admiral0 | ok |
| 11:10.10 | hdfhefgaert43t | why not just take a few hours, geek out and try all available stuff your self |
| 11:10.16 | admiral0 | i would like to know changes in SHR and FSO |
| 11:10.16 | hdfhefgaert43t | and make up your own mind |
| 11:10.22 | admiral0 | in the last weeks |
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| 11:11.12 | hdfhefgaert43t | that i can't answer unfortunately, i haven't been paying enough attention :) |
| 11:11.17 | hdfhefgaert43t | stick around someone knows |
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| 11:11.49 | admiral0 | anyone tested latest FSO? |
| 11:12.00 | henk | soul9: i'm using debian. rather stable, tracks fso, ... |
| 11:12.25 | soul9 | henk: me too, but there is no illume |
| 11:13.19 | henk | so? |
| 11:14.29 | soul9 | henk: fso uses illume.. |
| 11:14.54 | henk | soul9: i'm not sure what you mean... |
| 11:15.15 | henk | soul9: the fso 'image/distribution' uses illume. so what? |
| 11:15.39 | henk | illume is only a module for e... |
| 11:15.47 | soul9 | err |
| 11:15.50 | soul9 | yeah |
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| 12:00.41 | gfather[a] | hello |
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| 12:22.31 | gfather | what similar mobiles has the same cpu as fr ? |
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| 12:26.56 | kd8ikt | arm4? |
| 12:28.36 | gfather | Samsung 2442B Processor/SOC (400 minimum, ARM920T core, ARMv4T) |
| 12:30.43 | SpeedEvil | google! |
| 12:31.07 | jesh | could anyone help me compiling fso |
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| 12:31.41 | gfather | ya i tried that , only similar is the rover pc , but 300 mhz |
| 12:31.51 | jesh | i get '...openembedded/packages/shasum/shasum-native.bb, do_compile) failed' |
| 12:32.48 | jesh | there's nothing in the log file, and running shasum-native-1.0-r1/temp/run.do_compile.19430 seems to just work |
| 12:32.50 | SpeedEvil | I mean - is the size you want metric or imperial? |
| 12:32.53 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 12:37.06 | gfather | any one want to spend some free time hacking ? |
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| 12:44.17 | hiciu | jesh: try echo 'CCACHE = ""' >> conf/local.conf |
| 12:45.18 | jesh | okay.. |
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| 13:03.04 | jesh | hiciu: that fixed it, thanks |
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| 15:56.57 | Dave | sends panicking SIGPANIC |
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| 16:25.44 | kd8ikt | while [ 0=0 ]; do; killall dave ; done |
| 16:26.10 | kd8ikt | rm -rf /usr/bin/dave |
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| 16:30.31 | Zorkman | noooooooooooo |
| 16:30.35 | Zorkman | my precious dave! |
| 16:30.53 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: you destroyer of daves |
| 16:33.33 | Dave | :O |
| 16:33.36 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 16:34.11 | Zorkman | look what you've done! |
| 16:34.17 | Zorkman | he's talking rubbisch now :p |
| 16:36.12 | Dave | BLASPHEMY! |
| 16:36.37 | Dave | I shall destroy you but with a mere cpu cycle of my freerunner amry! |
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| 17:08.14 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rc9fb192f00e4 10/README: readme++ |
| 17:08.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r7a6e81ad4ee1 10/ (ChangeLog src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): |
| 17:08.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: add support for wakeup threshold to workaround modems not using |
| 17:08.15 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 07.10 PSC to handle power saving states. |
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| 17:19.55 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb92cd07152ac 10/src/multiplexer.vala: repeat after me: one microsecond is 1000 milliseconds |
| 17:21.05 | henk | is there a list of working external keyboards(/mice)? bt or usb doesn't matter... |
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| 17:25.00 | lindi- | henk: all should work? |
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| 17:27.15 | henk | lindi-: ok, then s/working/recommended/ |
| 17:27.17 | henk | ;) |
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| 17:29.07 | henk | and i mean portable devices, forgot to say that. frogpad-like, foldable, rollable or anything alike. |
| 17:31.42 | lindi- | henk: the rubber keyboard I have is not very easy to type with |
| 17:32.10 | henk | lindi-: rubber? so a rollable one? which make? |
| 17:33.15 | lindi- | henk: i don't remember make |
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| 17:37.10 | henk | lindi-: ok, thanks |
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| 17:40.53 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rf933751df5bf 10/ (configure.ac src/multiplexer.vala): add repr() for Multiplexer class |
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| 17:59.11 | salman | I am still using an FDOM image I installed long time ago.. it is working but I am wondering if there is a better distro to try that works |
| 17:59.46 | azaghal | salman: hackable1 is nice |
| 18:00.07 | azaghal | Rought around edges, but promissing :) |
| 18:00.54 | KenYoung | salman, You might also try kustomizer on 2008.12. It seems to me to be the successor to FDOM (which has sortof run out of steam, I fear). |
| 18:01.07 | salman | is basic dialing, contact list and sms working? |
| 18:02.13 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: do you know that OM has no plans to support 2008.x line of development anymore? |
| 18:02.18 | azaghal | On hackable1 or on kustomizer? |
| 18:02.38 | azaghal | salman: On hackable1, yes, it does. (I think :) |
| 18:03.39 | salman | how can I transfer my contact list from FDOM to hackable1? |
| 18:04.02 | azaghal | Erm... No idea, to be honest. |
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| 18:04.05 | salman | as I assume they use a different storing format |
| 18:04.09 | azaghal | Actually... |
| 18:04.18 | KenYoung | PaulFertser_, Yes, I know that. I have just had terrible luck with FSO/SHR, the three times I've used it. There has always been some terrible gotcha, like basic phone functionallity being broken. I'm sure I've just been unlucky with the versions I've tried, but I'm sick of flashing it hand having a broken phone as a result. |
| 18:04.29 | azaghal | salman: I think hackable1 is using same gtk+ interface, |
| 18:04.40 | azaghal | So it _might_ use same format. |
| 18:04.54 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: i never flashed any distro |
| 18:05.10 | salman | azaghal: probably.. but the db format may be different |
| 18:05.15 | azaghal | True |
| 18:05.25 | azaghal | salman: Where does FDOM store its db? |
| 18:05.38 | salman | no idea |
| 18:06.40 | KenYoung | PaulFertser_, Well, maybe that's my problem. I always flash the kernel and rootfs when I try a new distro. 2008.12 works fairly well for me. I've never managed to get SHR/FSO to do even the basics. I know many people have. I'm sure it's gat a future and 2008.x does not. But I want a useable phone. |
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| 18:07.44 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: i run Debian from uSD with different kernels, different fso versions, etc. Never flash anything to NAND rootfs. Never tried anything 2008.x |
| 18:07.45 | kd8ikt | hey ken you wouldnt happen to be able to help me with a lil python script would ya? |
| 18:08.08 | kd8ikt | since i know your such a 1337 coder |
| 18:08.16 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, Sorry, I've never used python. All my stuff is in C. |
| 18:08.39 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, I wish I could help. |
| 18:08.45 | kd8ikt | can you xml parse and export to sqlite with c? |
| 18:08.50 | azaghal | salman: I'll try to check where hackable1 stores them, the get back to you :) |
| 18:09.26 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, I'm sure you can, but I have not done it. |
| 18:09.29 | azaghal | kd8ikt: I'm writing an app atm that parses Jamendo XML db dumps, and feeds them into an sqlite datbase :) |
| 18:09.37 | salman | thanks, azaghal.. I will check the FDOM |
| 18:09.59 | kd8ikt | what are you writing it with azaghal |
| 18:10.03 | azaghal | Python |
| 18:10.24 | azaghal | kd8ikt: For start, I ran into some bug with python's xml.sax parser, so I ended-up using lxml instead. |
| 18:10.34 | kd8ikt | could i get you to least take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:TangoGPS#navicache_poi_import |
| 18:10.46 | PaulFertser_ | salman: FDOM uses qtopia and stores contacts in a sqlite database. |
| 18:10.54 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Sure |
| 18:11.00 | kd8ikt | yay :D |
| 18:11.36 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Just to check - the db schema is good on that page? You just need a parser? |
| 18:11.36 | kd8ikt | if i could only fluently code it wouldve been finished yesterday |
| 18:12.07 | kd8ikt | i honestly have no idea its amazing i got thus far |
| 18:12.30 | salman | PaulFertser_: then I hope there is a command line option to export the contact list to standard format |
| 18:12.40 | azaghal | kd8ikt: You should try learning Python - it's really easy to code with it (and shoot your whole leg off with it as well) |
| 18:13.05 | kd8ikt | i got asfar as the shabang and importing the xml :D |
| 18:13.10 | azaghal | Didn't FDOM use large parts of the GTK+-based stack? My wrong I guess :) |
| 18:13.26 | PaulFertser_ | azaghal: fdom is 2008.x which is Qtopia-on-X |
| 18:13.37 | kd8ikt | the progress code is at the bottom of the page |
| 18:13.38 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Wait, what problem you have with that thing again? |
| 18:13.44 | PaulFertser_ | salman: ask other qtopia advocates. |
| 18:14.00 | azaghal | My bad |
| 18:14.03 | kd8ikt | heh the problem is it really doesnt exist yet except for an idea in my head |
| 18:14.14 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 18:14.29 | azaghal | Ah :) |
| 18:14.55 | azaghal | Can you provide me with small sample tangogps sqlite db? |
| 18:14.56 | kd8ikt | when i'm not in here shootin my mouth off i'm reading python |
| 18:15.57 | kd8ikt | ugh sure gimmie a few |
| 18:16.38 | salman | I found this page.. I will use it as a guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
| 18:17.49 | azaghal | salman: I think this thing uses Berkeley DB :) |
| 18:18.03 | salman | this might also have some info: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PIM_Storage |
| 18:18.29 | kd8ikt | would a csv file suffice? |
| 18:18.39 | kd8ikt | or you want the raw poi.db |
| 18:19.25 | salman | kd8ikt: it is not what I want.. it is what hackable1 wants :-) |
| 18:19.55 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Raw would be better. |
| 18:20.09 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ |
| 18:20.13 | kd8ikt | poi* files |
| 18:20.33 | salman | http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/10/10/3576654/thread |
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| 18:21.43 | Dave | kd8 :) |
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| 18:24.06 | azaghal | kd8ikt: idmd5 would be md5 hash of what? |
| 18:24.47 | kd8ikt | dunno really |
| 18:25.52 | azaghal | Hm... Well, I could write you a simple script to parse the XML and store it in some nice class instance if you want me to? |
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| 18:27.12 | azaghal | I could populate the db as well, if I knew what's what :) |
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| 18:28.29 | kd8ikt | dude that only the tangogps guy knows what that hash is |
| 18:28.52 | azaghal | I'll download the source :) |
| 18:29.28 | kd8ikt | awe crap its sun and i just got a call to help a freind with his computer issues |
| 18:29.35 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 18:29.49 | azaghal | Tell him to install GNU/Linux distro :P |
| 18:30.11 | kd8ikt | yeah he probably has a pirated scumsoft OS |
| 18:31.45 | kd8ikt | so development will have to wait |
| 18:32.17 | kd8ikt | if it helps i found this http://pastebin.com/f507753c8 only it works for geocaching's gpx files |
| 18:32.33 | kd8ikt | wich are slightly different than navicaches |
| 18:33.16 | kd8ikt | only i dunno how different cause you have to be a paying member to download em |
| 18:33.16 | azaghal | lol |
| 18:33.23 | kd8ikt | guess you could reverse engineer the script and figure it out |
| 18:33.43 | kd8ikt | i certianly dont know enopugh python to myself |
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| 18:34.44 | kd8ikt | bbl |
| 18:36.11 | azaghal | #not the format tangogps uses, but what's an idmd5 anyway? - lol |
| 18:36.24 | kd8ikt | yeah heh i saw that |
| 18:36.33 | kd8ikt | like he's just fudging it |
| 18:36.43 | azaghal | Actually, that thing seems to be random-generated. |
| 18:37.14 | kd8ikt | wonder what would happen if to entries had the same one |
| 18:37.19 | kd8ikt | two* |
| 18:37.57 | azaghal | Well, it _looks_ like some kind of primary key. |
| 18:40.41 | kd8ikt | you have an account on the wiki right? |
| 18:41.16 | kd8ikt | since i'll be gone for a bit if you find out anything usefull it'd be cool to plop it on that wiki page |
| 18:41.26 | kd8ikt | as a staging area |
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| 18:42.04 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Nope |
| 18:42.11 | Think--Free | Hi ! |
| 18:42.25 | azaghal | I kind of put Freerunner on the pause atm, until I write my own keyboard for it :) |
| 18:42.51 | azaghal | Heck, I learned python because of Neo :) |
| 18:43.21 | Think--Free | I have a problem with a d-bus connection in a program i have done, it worked but stoped last week with this message, any idea ? : http://pastebin.com/m43f4c63e |
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| 18:44.13 | Dave | hoi o/ |
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| 18:44.31 | polytropolis | hi all |
| 18:44.37 | Dave | Greetingses! |
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| 18:45.04 | KenYoung | Wow - Dave. I haven't seen your name in a long while. |
| 18:45.11 | Dave | Ken! :D |
| 18:45.43 | polytropolis | can someone please help me with ssh into my freerunner on Opensuse 11.1? The tutorials did not help |
| 18:46.04 | lindi- | polytropolis: what distro do you run on your fr? |
| 18:46.17 | polytropolis | OM 12.2008 |
| 18:46.18 | KenYoung | polytropolis, Do you get an error message? |
| 18:46.27 | polytropolis | KenYoung: no |
| 18:46.34 | polytropolis | just no connection |
| 18:46.36 | KenYoung | polytropolis, It just hangs? |
| 18:46.47 | Dave | Yeah, sorry Ken. I haven't used the freerunner in a few weeks, (maybe a month even), regrettably. |
| 18:46.53 | lindi- | polytropolis: please run lsmod and ifconfig on both sides |
| 18:46.58 | lindi- | polytropolis: and put the info online |
| 18:47.10 | Dave | I do miss the enjoyment of orrery. |
| 18:47.15 | Dave | I may need it next weekend :) |
| 18:47.39 | polytropolis | lindi-, I have no termial on the plain OS |
| 18:47.42 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm still waiting for your 325 page list of improvement demands. |
| 18:48.01 | polytropolis | so I have Networkmanager running! leave it on or turn it of? |
| 18:48.07 | lindi- | polytropolis: plain OS? |
| 18:48.17 | Dave | :D |
| 18:48.32 | polytropolis | lindi-, plain OM 12.2008 out of the box |
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| 18:49.07 | lindi- | polytropolis: have you rebooted it? |
| 18:49.54 | polytropolis | lindi-, I flashed it with OM 12.2008 and now i wish to ssh into it! |
| 18:50.06 | lindi- | polytropolis: have you rebooted your fr? |
| 18:50.27 | polytropolis | lindi-, yes, several time:) |
| 18:51.27 | lindi- | polytropolis: can't help much if you can't run commands on it :/ |
| 18:51.41 | polytropolis | lindi-, I have problems with the usb networking ;) |
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| 18:52.15 | lindi- | polytropolis: < lindi-> polytropolis: please run lsmod and ifconfig on both sides |
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| 18:53.18 | polytropolis | lindi-, where can I paste? |
| 18:53.32 | lindi- | polytropolis: rafb.net/paste |
| 18:53.36 | polytropolis | thx |
| 18:54.13 | Dave | roflopticus |
| 18:54.59 | polytropolis | lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/0eInAe61.html |
| 18:55.51 | polytropolis | lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/anxJHR18.html |
| 18:56.11 | polytropolis | on the freerunner I cant run command because no terminal and no ssh |
| 18:57.22 | polytropolis | I tried: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:57.54 | polytropolis | but ssh fails |
| 18:58.58 | polytropolis | and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_with_openSUSE did not work for me too |
| 18:59.55 | polytropolis | my network is 192.168.0.xxx !Maybe thats the problem? |
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| 19:02.28 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, probably |
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| 19:03.49 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F: ok!I will disable the networkmanager and switch to ifup! Whats the solution then? |
| 19:04.22 | polytropolis | brb |
| 19:05.00 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, well, if you are on the same subnet, you should be able to ssh in and modify your Neo /etc/network/interfaces to another subnet |
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| 19:05.48 | Sharwin_F | if you continue with the same subnet, your Neo probably won't connect to Internet |
| 19:06.42 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, my IP on the laptop is 192.168.0.134 and the freerunner is connected via usb |
| 19:08.04 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, I just use the router of my network for wlan and connecting 2 systems with the internet, so change the network ip would not be a problem |
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| 19:10.10 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, AFAIC, your usb0 and eth0 devices must have different subnets on your laptop |
| 19:10.17 | polytropolis | what part of the command "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" needs to be modified? |
| 19:11.08 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, I admit I do not really understand much of that ip stuff |
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| 19:14.39 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, which is your LAN subnet? |
| 19:15.30 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, http://rafb.net/p/s3QOfR11.html |
| 19:16.06 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, ok, so you can do 2 things at least |
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| 19:16.16 | Sharwin_F | change your LAN subnet or change the subnet your FR uses |
| 19:16.30 | Sharwin_F | I did the second one |
| 19:16.38 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, ok!Howto? |
| 19:18.45 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, you should be able to ssh into your FR (without internet connection) |
| 19:19.01 | Sharwin_F | do you have your neo on? |
| 19:19.08 | Sharwin_F | and connected to usb and blabla |
| 19:19.09 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, yes and connected |
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| 19:19.51 | Sharwin_F | then, give an IP to your computer: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:20.38 | Sharwin_F | if you don't have an IP with your usb0 you can't communicate throught usb0 |
| 19:20.41 | polytropolis | done |
| 19:21.39 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, http://rafb.net/p/tVrTWN18.html |
| 19:22.50 | Sharwin_F | now you'd be able to ssh into your neo |
| 19:22.56 | Sharwin_F | ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 19:23.38 | polytropolis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.38 | polytropolis | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:24.07 | polytropolis | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 19:24.58 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, which distro are you using on your OM? |
| 19:25.29 | polytropolis | OM 2008.12 |
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| 19:26.08 | polytropolis | PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:26.08 | polytropolis | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms |
| 19:26.17 | polytropolis | that works |
| 19:26.55 | Sharwin_F | no, 192.168.0.200 is your own machine |
| 19:26.58 | Sharwin_F | 202 is OM |
| 19:27.18 | polytropolis | there seems not to be a route to 202 |
| 19:27.32 | Sharwin_F | try with this and retry: sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 19:28.25 | Sharwin_F | oh, and be sure you still have the IP on usb0 interface, if you unplug your NEo you'll have to reinsert it |
| 19:28.58 | polytropolis | it is connected! |
| 19:29.40 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, http://rafb.net/p/WU1Lf436.html |
| 19:29.53 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, it's the first time you boot your neo with that distro? sometimes usb doesn't work on first boot |
| 19:30.17 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, I rebooted several times today :( |
| 19:30.47 | Sharwin_F | try doing it disabling eth0, maybe it's getting in trouble with usb0 |
| 19:31.08 | polytropolis | ifdown eth0 ? |
| 19:31.22 | Sharwin_F | I suppouse |
| 19:31.28 | polytropolis | ok |
| 19:31.31 | polytropolis | brb |
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| 19:35.45 | pd | hello |
| 19:35.56 | pd | i need help with FSO |
| 19:36.01 | pd | who could help? |
| 19:37.03 | PaulFertser_ | pd: You need to ask your question first, then ask for help ;) |
| 19:37.12 | pd | ok |
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| 19:37.45 | pd | im unable to get sync with satelite with tangogps on FSO milestone5 |
| 19:37.52 | polytropolis | back |
| 19:37.55 | pd | on old 2008.12 works fine |
| 19:38.12 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, http://rafb.net/p/ujKgEU88.html |
| 19:38.21 | polytropolis | take a look please |
| 19:39.11 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, does usb0 have a diffent subnet than eth0 there? |
| 19:39.12 | PaulFertser_ | pd: have you tried to use Zhone's GPS gui? It shows additional important information |
| 19:39.47 | pd | im new on FSO ... what is zhone? |
| 19:40.19 | pd | ah |
| 19:40.46 | pd | i know what is it :) .. thx for tip i'll check zhone UI |
| 19:40.46 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, hmm no idea, you could try another image that comes with a terminal (ie. SHR) and modify /etc/network/interfaces directly from your neo |
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| 19:41.35 | PaulFertser_ | pd: Ah, do you have fso-gpsd installed? |
| 19:41.44 | PaulFertser_ | pd: it's necessary to get GPS in tangogps. |
| 19:42.00 | pd | i have fso-gpsd running on my neo so im guessing yes :) |
| 19:42.01 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, what if I change the network from 192.168.0.xxx to 192.168.1.xxx |
| 19:42.48 | pd | PaulFertser_: GPS@zhone tells me n/a or none on all options |
| 19:43.40 | pd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.17 | PaulFertser_ | pd: sure and wait for at least a minute. And watch the second pane in Zhone GPS UI, it's the most informative. |
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| 19:45.42 | pd | PaulFertser_: ok |
| 19:46.18 | Sharwin_F | polytropolis, you have more chance to make it work :P |
| 19:47.07 | polytropolis | Sharwin_F, ok!So I will do that |
| 19:47.09 | polytropolis | brb |
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| 19:52.49 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm trying out SHR right now, but I'm having some issues and it's kind of hard to understand the bugtracker, is there anyone who can help me with that or are most of the SHR issues permanent until a new release ? |
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| 19:57.07 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: ask the question first ;) |
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| 19:59.18 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: well, first of all I have to wait quite a long time before it asks my PIN (sometimes it doesn't ask at all), also the wifi thing doesn't connect, it crashes, also when I'm connected to the GSM network it doesn't seem to last, it seems to die and everything that needs GSM errors, and the AUX and Power Button aren't working, some of these are in the bugtracker but I'm not sure all of them should be in my phone |
| 20:00.22 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: SHR unstable? |
| 20:00.37 | Sharwin_F | yeah, all that is true, welcome to OM world xD |
| 20:00.41 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: AUX and Power can be easily fixed or wait for tomorrows image |
| 20:01.10 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: use WiFi manually instead. |
| 20:01.18 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: i don't know why you get GSM errors :( |
| 20:01.53 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: I had it make a log but the log simply says that it's no outputting anything |
| 20:02.05 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: but I'll wait for the new images then and in the mean time I'm gonna flash Om2008.12 and try that |
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| 20:03.12 | pd | PaulFertser_: gps@zhone still telling me 'searching' |
| 20:03.18 | pd | what im doing wrong? |
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| 20:05.29 | azaghal | kd8ikt: Well, parser is done. Just need to figure out how to populate data which it read ;) |
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| 20:07.13 | PaulFertser_ | pd_: i'm not sure. Did you ever have a fix in that place? |
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| 20:13.33 | azaghal | kd8ikt: And I guess that now I know what the columns in the table are :) |
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| 20:16.25 | pd_ | PaulFertser_: yes i get fix on om2008.12 pretty fast (40sec is long) |
| 20:16.51 | PaulFertser_ | pd_: you should probably reboot or take a look at frameworkd logs... |
| 20:16.53 | Bert_2 | what's the difference between the fso-image and the fsp-illume-image ? |
| 20:17.03 | Bert_2 | s/fsp/fso |
| 20:17.19 | pd_ | PaulFertser_: GPS antena will automaticly turn on when i start tangogps or zhone? |
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| 20:18.54 | PaulFertser_ | pd_: yes, it's supposed to work like that |
| 20:19.15 | pd_ | tango tell me 'no dbus service running' |
| 20:19.23 | pd_ | what does it mean/ |
| 20:19.38 | pd_ | on process list is dbus --system |
| 20:20.12 | PaulFertser_ | pd_: usually tangogps uses fso-gpsd which connects to frameworkd via dbus. |
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| 20:43.04 | pd_ | PaulFertser_: i get error msg please take a look " GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:" |
| 20:43.16 | pd_ | PaulFertser_: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
| 20:43.16 | pd_ | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 20:43.24 | Dave | rut roh |
| 20:46.07 | PaulFertser_ | pd_: with tangogps? I wonder which dbus daemon does it want to see... |
| 20:47.27 | pd_ | dunno |
| 20:47.50 | pd_ | zhone also say n/a ,none, idle or at last searching |
| 20:47.57 | pd_ | but without effect |
| 20:48.46 | pd_ | on which port number works fso-gpsd? |
| 20:49.19 | Dave | find out |
| 20:49.27 | Dave | netstat? |
| 20:50.48 | KenYoung | Does anyone know how to make the illum keyboard default to "terminal" rather than the default SMS-optimized keyboard? |
| 20:51.56 | Sharwin_F | KenYoung, that would be cool to know :D |
| 20:52.22 | KenYoung | Sharwin_F, Yup, I've never *once* wanted that Default keyboard. |
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| 21:07.02 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
| 21:08.06 | Wonka | nucular? |
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| 21:21.10 | agg1n | should i flash the new shr image or would an opkg upgrade be enough? |
| 21:21.52 | PaulFertser_ | agg1n: you better flash, unstable is not supposed to be very upgradeable. |
| 21:22.43 | agg1n | PaulFertser_: ok, thanks, *flash* |
| 21:25.01 | PaulFertser_ | agg1n: is it a new image, as of today? |
| 21:25.03 | Bert_2 | Okey, I just flashed the FSO milestone5 image onto my neo but I don't really see any apps (except a terminal, screenshot,...), do I need to install sms and phone stuff myself or what ? |
| 21:25.32 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: Zhone is the app |
| 21:25.48 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: comes pre-installed |
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| 21:27.12 | agg1n | PaulFertser_: just saw that there is a new shr-unstable image since one hour or so |
| 21:27.47 | PaulFertser_ | agg1n: ah, then probably it's the one, give it a try :) |
| 21:28.19 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: I'm installing it now, it's not pre-installed apparently :s |
| 21:28.32 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: got console image? ;) |
| 21:29.19 | Bert_2 | nope, I've the FSO milestone5 illume image |
| 21:29.29 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: fso-illume-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:30.04 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: hm... i though Zhone is important enough to be included. What about paroli? |
| 21:30.33 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: nope, there's almost nothing on it at all :s |
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| 21:34.08 | Sharwin_F | Bert_2, there's a third image which comes with Zhone I think |
| 21:35.05 | Bert_2 | and what's paroli for then ? |
| 21:36.35 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: it's supposed to become "official" OM telephony app. |
| 21:37.14 | Zorkman | yet another "new official" one... |
| 21:37.50 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Don't worry, it'll be abandoned soon. |
| 21:40.21 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: you were a bit late, mirko-paroli just left, should have told that face-to-face ;) |
| 21:41.38 | KenYoung | PaulFertser_, I guess I should try not to be a jerk. It's not like *I'm* making a great telephony app. |
| 21:42.10 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: what are all the things zhone can do ? |
| 21:42.47 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: call, answer, send/receive SMS, show GSM network stations around you, show GPS information. |
| 21:42.53 | Dave | Aww, poor Ken :( |
| 21:43.16 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: what gui app is good for wifi managment on FSO ? |
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| 21:46.35 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: wpa_supplicant ;) |
| 21:46.58 | slaxxin | dooes the feb 8 shr have the .28 kernel? |
| 21:47.17 | PaulFertser_ | slaxxin: shr unstable uses .28 for quite some time |
| 21:47.23 | slaxxin | oo |
| 21:50.31 | agg1n | why cant the messages-app in shr handle chars like < and >? oO |
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| 21:57.32 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: if I try to install wpa_supplicant I get "An error ocurred, return value: -50512." |
| 21:58.17 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: i can't say what cryptic opkg errors mean, try to google it probably |
| 21:59.17 | Bert_2 | google doesn't know that error either |
| 21:59.49 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: check your network connectivity with smth else. |
| 22:00.46 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: I just installed tangogps without a problem |
| 22:00.55 | Bert_2 | I think it's a repo that's down or something similar |
| 22:01.45 | PaulFertser_ | Bert_2: but you need wpa_supplicant regardless for wpa |
| 22:03.03 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser_: then I have a very big and irratating problem |
| 22:04.33 | johnsu01 | So, do I need to do something on dbus prior to trying to access the messagebook? |
| 22:04.44 | johnsu01 | Because other api calls are working for me (such as ListPhonebooks) |
| 22:05.32 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: i think you just wait for SIM ready signal, then you can access messagebook. |
| 22:05.50 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: Is that not also true for ListPhonebooks? |
| 22:06.44 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: i'm not sure. |
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| 22:07.50 | johnsu01 | I'm requesting the GSM resource and then making the call to the GetMessagebookInfo method |
| 22:08.07 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: ah, no, that shouldn't work. |
| 22:08.39 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: you need to activate SIM first. It might be locked with PIN. |
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| 22:09.55 | bove | does anyone have a recent debian build as ready image? It seems kinda strange to have to upgrade it via another distro |
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| 22:10.41 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: Hm, there's no PIN on the SIM but thanks for the tip, I'll explore |
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| 22:11.38 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: look how Zhone does it. Anyway, you have to wait for the SIM ready signal before you're able to access sim contents. |
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| 22:12.35 | PaulFertser_ | bove2: debian can be upgraded with apt-get distupgrade |
| 22:12.43 | PaulFertser_ | bove2: no need for other distro |
| 22:14.47 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: GetAuthStatus is returning READY |
| 22:16.30 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: then do SetAntennaPower(true) |
| 22:16.30 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: not sure that's really needed but it works in Zhone like that. And after like 30 seconds after registering to network SIM is ready and you can read its contents. |
| 22:17.16 | bove | PaulFertser_: But I'm about to do a clean Debian install. Can it be done directly? |
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| 22:18.19 | PaulFertser_ | bove: the easiest way is to do it from FR, using another distro. Probably you can do it on your desktop/laptop as well if you do it manually or heavy modify the script. |
| 22:19.51 | bove | ok. thanks. I'll just copy FSO from another card |
| 22:21.11 | PaulFertser_ | bove: do you have any system in NAND? |
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| 22:21.12 | bove | 2008.12 I think |
| 22:21.12 | PaulFertser_ | bove: then boot it and install debian on your SD with installer script, it should work. |
| 22:21.13 | bove | ok |
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| 22:22.49 | henkie- | where does the zhone gets it status information from? |
| 22:22.59 | bove | dbus? |
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| 22:23.49 | henkie- | and which app set that information? i ask because the provider key seems to be missing |
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| 22:24.21 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: frameworkd |
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| 22:26.46 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser_: Indeed, that was it, I needed to 1) SetAntennaPower and 2) Not release and re-request the resource |
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| 22:27.32 | bove | How should I format the card before I install debian? |
| 22:27.40 | PaulFertser_ | johnsu01: yeah, after every consumer releases the resource, the modem is turned off. |
| 22:27.42 | bove | I'm using Qi |
| 22:27.59 | PaulFertser_ | bove: install script will do that for you. |
| 22:28.00 | Montgoss | Hey. can anyone help me with some git weirdness? |
| 22:28.06 | bove | k |
| 22:28.08 | PaulFertser_ | bove: just don't forget to set QI=true or smth like that |
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| 22:28.16 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: ask your question first. |
| 22:29.13 | Montgoss | it's not so much a question as a problem... I'm trying to build a package for the Freerunner. I end up with the -dev and -dbg ipks, but not the actually program package |
| 22:31.11 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: why do you call it "git weirdness"? |
| 22:31.11 | Montgoss | i build one program fine. So I know my setup works. My best guess is that one works and the other doesn't because the working one used an automake and the broken one doesn't have that |
| 22:31.46 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: cause git did it? ;-) |
| 22:32.05 | henkie- | PaulFertser_, tnx, i'll enable debugging |
| 22:32.16 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: you need only ogsmd debugging, btw |
| 22:32.40 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: how do you build? |
| 22:32.58 | henkie- | PaulFertser_, where do i enable this? i added debug settings to /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 22:33.01 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: bitbake -c build program-name |
| 22:34.05 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: in the [ogsmd] section use "log_level = DEBUG" you don't want to have debug everywhere. |
| 22:34.08 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: but does it give any error? |
| 22:34.37 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: did you need something? |
| 22:34.42 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: no errors. says "NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1514 tasks of which 1497 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed." |
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| 22:36.12 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: is it possible that this program only generates -dev and -dbg packages by design? Look at the recipe. |
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| 22:36.25 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: I wrote the recipe myself... |
| 22:36.43 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: I wrote the recipe for both the working one and the broken one |
| 22:37.45 | PaulFertser_ | Montgoss: :) then i probably can't help much here. Sorry, i've never really used OE and never wrote a recipe. But package generation shouldn't be related to git anyway ;) |
| 22:38.07 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: I still blame git :P |
| 22:38.30 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: or, I suppose I blame bitbake... |
| 22:38.50 | Montgoss | PaulFerster_: that's what I meant to be saying all along |
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| 22:39.38 | henkie- | ah, i enabled all logging |
| 22:40.10 | henkie- | does it contain personal info? like phone numbers? couldnt find any with a normal search |
| 22:40.26 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4916 10/developers/werner/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:40.26 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Some small changes to the myroot and wlan-trial root file systems. |
| 22:40.26 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - init: export PATH (or the system handles weird after changing PATH) |
| 22:40.26 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - myroot: add mke2fs and tune2fs |
| 22:40.26 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - wlan-trial: remove busybox-udhcpd. What I wanted was udhcpc, but that's not |
| 22:40.29 | CIA-49 | openmoko: so easy to get without the rest of Busybox. Not important now. |
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| 22:42.11 | henkie- | it does report a "2009.02.08 23:36:11 otimed DEBUG GSM: no network code" |
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| 22:48.01 | henkie- | 2009.02.08 23:36:10 ogsmd.device INFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'strength': 89, 'cid': u'3539', 'registration': 'home', 'lac': u'1190', 'mode': 'automatic', 'act': 'GSM'} |
| 22:48.01 | henkie- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.34 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: otimed is irrelevant |
| 22:49.05 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: the last one says that you registered sucessfully to network. |
| 22:49.16 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: it can contain numbers and other personal info |
| 22:49.45 | henkie- | PaulFertser_, ok, but zhone rejects this status because there is no provider info present |
| 22:51.08 | PaulFertser_ | henkie-: hm, it might be a zhone bug. If you can't fix it yourself, open a ticket at trac.freesmartphone.org, post part (better more than less) of ogsmd debug log. |
| 22:52.06 | henkie- | PaulFertser_, ok, i will |
| 22:53.25 | max_posedon | Hi all, how connect to gprs using todays shr? |
| 22:53.34 | max_posedon | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContex |
| 22:53.34 | max_posedon | t |
| 22:53.46 | max_posedon | atn login password doesn't work... |
| 22:53.54 | max_posedon | ( /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError ) |
| 22:55.32 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: it should work... No messages in framework log? ActivateContext takes 3 parameters, all strings (if you pass is a number, you need a cast). |
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| 22:57.08 | max_posedon | 2009.02.09 00:56:28 ogsmd.modems.abstract.pdp INFO configuring ppp for user 'mts' w/ password 'mts' |
| 22:57.17 | max_posedon | just this string and nothing else. |
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| 22:57.59 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: and you get typeerror... Very strange. |
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| 22:58.44 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: let me try it myself |
| 23:00.29 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: works for me: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet.beeline.ru beeline beeline |
| 23:00.43 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: pastebin your command and output |
| 23:01.19 | max_posedon | http://pastebin.ru/301203 |
| 23:03.36 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: no space between Contex and t? |
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| 23:05.03 | max_posedon | not) http://pastebin.ru/301204 |
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| 23:06.32 | Thamos | hi @ all |
| 23:07.22 | Thamos | i think about buying me an FR, and want to know how good just the telefon-functions are working |
| 23:08.02 | max_posedon | hm... they works... sometimes) |
| 23:08.13 | Thamos | sometimes? |
| 23:08.31 | SpeedEvil | It's not ready for using as a phone. |
| 23:08.49 | max_posedon | I'm kidding, but yes, you might be have problems sometimes |
| 23:09.11 | SpeedEvil | It is not ready for use as a phone. |
| 23:09.13 | max_posedon | but as for me, I use it as everyday phone since Septemer |
| 23:09.33 | Thamos | ok, and that works for you? |
| 23:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Do the shipping FRs even have the GSM buzz fix? |
| 23:09.44 | KenYoung | Thamos, There are several distributions which give pretty reliable basic phone service. |
| 23:09.49 | Thamos | my damn Samsung is driving me to hell |
| 23:09.52 | max_posedon | Thamos, yes, sometimes |
| 23:09.53 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: can you try to start mickeyterm now? |
| 23:10.06 | SpeedEvil | If you pick an exact revision of the software, find one that works, and stick with it, it can be sort-of-stable. |
| 23:10.14 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, hm... mickeyterm??? |
| 23:10.26 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: no, no FR shipped as today has GSM buzz fix. |
| 23:10.27 | max_posedon | sorry, I don't know what you meen |
| 23:10.58 | max_posedon | ok, I started it. |
| 23:11.00 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: a special program to communicate with the modem |
| 23:11.05 | Thamos | i've got a Samsung that stalls every now and then, therefor i am searching a new phone |
| 23:11.07 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: do you know if there are plans? |
| 23:11.15 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: v7 should include it |
| 23:11.20 | Thamos | and a toy like the FR i wanted alwas to have ;-) |
| 23:11.44 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: can you communicate with the modem? Does answer on AT? |
| 23:11.56 | Thamos | but i have to know if it is capable of doing the normal telephone-services |
| 23:12.00 | max_posedon | yes, OK |
| 23:12.07 | max_posedon | I tried call to FR, all works. |
| 23:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Thamos: at the moment, it's at best somewhat unreliable with updating software. |
| 23:12.44 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: then quit the program (it uses the last available virtual channel, so you won't be able to use GPRS while it's running). |
| 23:13.09 | SpeedEvil | Thamos: stuff may stop working for example if you update software, or may not work in the first place if you pick the wrong version. |
| 23:13.23 | KenYoung | Thamos, But if you stick at it, you can eventually come up with a set of software that works pretty well. |
| 23:13.39 | SpeedEvil | Thamos: expect to do a _lot_ of fiddling to get it to work, and if you have problems with the GSM buzz issue, there isn't an easy resolution other than to use bluetooth. |
| 23:13.54 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: i still think you should see some interesting info in frameworkd.log, TypeError here can't go unnoticed :) |
| 23:14.12 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: you're wrong |
| 23:14.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:14.37 | max_posedon | no any info, ok, I'll try swith on DEBUG info. |
| 23:14.49 | PaulFertser_ | Thamos: GSM buzz is a known issue that all revisions had, it can be fixed easily with a hardware rework. |
| 23:15.07 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: right. |
| 23:15.17 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: and how many % of users can do that? |
| 23:15.37 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I don't consider it an easy resolution, if your average user can't apply it. |
| 23:15.39 | Thamos | ok |
| 23:15.45 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: about 90%. That can be done in any electronics repair workshop. |
| 23:16.04 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: and this rework will be covered by warranty? |
| 23:16.22 | henkie- | must my account creation on trac.freesmartphone be approved or something? I need to verify it with a token, but it still hasnt arrived |
| 23:16.24 | KenYoung | PaulFertser_, I'll bet the figure is closer to 9%. |
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| 23:16.31 | henkie- | maybe i must be more patient :) |
| 23:16.32 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: ask that question to whomever gives you that warranty. |
| 23:16.57 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: nope. Any electronics repair workshop can do that in 30 minutes. Come on, they do BGA rework every day! |
| 23:17.11 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying that it's impossible, just a device that ships broken, and requires you to lose what limited (DOA, 15 days) warranty may be present, is perhaps not quite 'easy'. |
| 23:17.53 | KenYoung | PaulFertser_, SpeedEveil asked how many *users* could do it, not hpw many repair shops. |
| 23:18.02 | SpeedEvil | Sure, they do it every day, however, they don't do a FR every day, and how do you pick a skilled repair shop? |
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| 23:18.52 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: it's easy rework. Just tell them what to do exactly and bring the necessary R and C. |
| 23:20.03 | KenYoung | Do the Freerunners that are being shipped today still need the buzz-fix rework? |
| 23:20.45 | johnsu01 | What's an example of sending an sms via mdubs? |
| 23:20.50 | johnsu01 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.StoreMessage 'u"number"' 'u"Test"' |
| 23:20.52 | johnsu01 | fails for me |
| 23:21.08 | PaulFertser_ | KenYoung: yes |
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| 23:21.24 | johnsu01 | with "More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments" |
| 23:22.07 | max_posedon | johnsu01, becouse function takes 3 parameters |
| 23:23.03 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: I don't deny it's an easy rework. I just have a problem calling it 'easy' for your average user to locate a rework place, and get their hardware fixed, when they know nothing about the hardware themselves, or nothing about SMD rework, or how to judge competancy themselves. sorry. |
| 23:23.51 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: we're supposed to be geeks anyway, not grandma's. And geeks learn fast :) |
| 23:24.15 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: have you performed a buzz rework btw? |
| 23:24.32 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: sure. Geeks learn fast. Learning experiences that involve bricking hardware that is perhaps quite expensive, and most of your 'toy' money for some period... |
| 23:24.36 | max_posedon | hm.. I don't know, may be not. |
| 23:25.12 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, what I should to do? |
| 23:25.21 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: i don't think you can easily brick FR attempting the buzz rework. Can you describe an imaginary situation that will lead to that? |
| 23:25.27 | SpeedEvil | For example, the neo1973 cost me about 20 weeks savings. |
| 23:25.30 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: for buzz rework of for GPRS? |
| 23:26.48 | max_posedon | buzz rework == some stange noise during calls (sorry, I don't very good at English) |
| 23:27.18 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: someone ripping off a track, getting a solder blob somewhere bad, ... |
| 23:27.44 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: that can't lead to bricking, i guess |
| 23:28.02 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: can you check, do you have pppd installed? |
| 23:28.26 | max_posedon | yes I have (todays shr) |
| 23:28.32 | max_posedon | oh... sorry |
| 23:28.40 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser_: I've seen bad rework from high street places where the soldering appeared to be done by a ham-handed monkey, and was blamed on 'existing fault, sorry', when it clearly wasn't. How's your average user to pick? |
| 23:28.44 | max_posedon | it don't contains it... |
| 23:28.52 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: noise (gsm interference) heard by other, party, not by yourself. And it's unavoidable if conditions are bad. |
| 23:28.56 | SpeedEvil | Anyway, no point in going on with this further. |
| 23:29.06 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: true :) |
| 23:29.26 | PaulFertser_ | SpeedEvil: everybody should just do it theirselves to be sure whom to blame ;) |
| 23:29.27 | Thamos | it looks as if i don't have the necessary tools to mess with the FR Hardware :-( |
| 23:29.37 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, oh... people sometimes says thats hard to hear me, could give a link or explain how to fix it? |
| 23:29.57 | SpeedEvil | Maxiosu_: hard to hear you as there is a loud buzz, or just because you're faint? |
| 23:30.02 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: |
| 23:30.23 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: buzz is sometimes described as "strong drill-like noise". http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 23:30.24 | max_posedon | because they here themselvs |
| 23:30.47 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: that's echo, another problem, solved in the latest FSO (and latest SHR as well). |
| 23:32.01 | PaulFertser_ | Thamos: i've not tried myself yet but i think you can desolder 0402 with self-made cuprum iron tip shaped like flat screwdriver. |
| 23:32.42 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: so, do you confirm that the latest SHR image doesn't include pppd by default? |
| 23:33.20 | max_posedon | no, sorry, of course it contins (for some reason I tried start ppp, not pppd) |
| 23:33.51 | johnsu01 | well, I've graduated to "Unhandled CMS ERROR: Telematic internetworking not supported" |
| 23:34.04 | johnsu01 | maybe the number is formatted wrong? |
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| 23:36.57 | bove2 | what Desktop environments and window managers are people using with debian? |
| 23:36.59 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, I turnen on DEBUG for framework, but log still contains just one single line about connecting. |
| 23:37.19 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: magic |
| 23:37.39 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: do you see other debug messages? |
| 23:37.52 | max_posedon | yes, *a lot* |
| 23:38.34 | max_posedon | I'm goint to create ticket for SHR team. |
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| 23:40.05 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: have you ever used that command successfully? |
| 23:40.44 | max_posedon | yes, with previos shr releases |
| 23:41.31 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: releases or unstable images? |
| 23:41.55 | max_posedon | I mean all their uploaded *jffs unstable images. |
| 23:42.28 | PaulFertser_ | Today's image doesn't change anything frameworkd-related though. |
| 23:43.17 | max_posedon | hm... may be I didn't use previous, but I remember gprs success with shr. |
| 23:44.57 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: do other dbus calls (with mdbus) work? |
| 23:45.24 | max_posedon | yes |
| 23:50.10 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: i'm out of ideas, no too little python, sorry. |
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| 23:57.03 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: probably it's just too late, when you woke up tomorrow, everything will be obvious ;) |
| 23:57.40 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: :) Hey :) |
| 23:58.10 | jOERG_rw | just booting opensusue11.1 after update ;) |
| 23:58.22 | max_posedon | PaulFertser_, 2.00 AM isn't too late for me) |
| 23:58.43 | PaulFertser_ | max_posedon: i thought you were GMT+3 as me ;) |
| 23:58.47 | jOERG_rw | wahh fonts to make my eyes bleed |
| 23:59.18 | PaulFertser_ | jOERG_rw: do you prefer to turn on "patented" hinting and to turn off any antialiasing? |
| 23:59.28 | vanous123 | max_posedon: i didn't follow but could gprs issue be connected to not loaded ppp-generic module? |
| 23:59.34 | SpeedEvil | giggles at AA on a 285dpi screen. |
| 23:59.58 | SpeedEvil | (for any but the most shortsighted with the screen >10cm from nose) |
| 23:59.58 | jOERG_rw | PaulFertser_: yup, seems anti-a is evel |