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| 01:03.09 | walker__ | Hey. finally build a SHR, but when starting moko, no gui comes up? any ideas? |
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| 01:24.16 | rooly | mmhmm |
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| 01:48.54 | shanka | Hi. Qtmail stores SMS in /home/root/Applications/qtmail/mail/ folder. |
| 01:49.03 | shanka | but all the files are encrypted. |
| 01:49.26 | shanka | can those SMSes be read via a host computer? |
| 01:52.03 | Dave | probably |
| 01:52.07 | Dave | :) |
| 01:52.14 | Dave | You just have to know the secret! |
| 01:52.49 | shanka | so how do I decrypt them? |
| 01:53.26 | Dave | I wish I knew |
| 01:53.45 | Dave | But I'm fairly sure it's possible since they are readable via other applications :) |
| 01:54.37 | shanka | Dave: any pointers on where to start searching? |
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| 01:55.57 | max_posedon | shanka, I think you miss smth |
| 01:56.10 | max_posedon | files are not incrupted |
| 01:56.22 | shanka | max_posedon: then? |
| 01:56.44 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:56.45 | max_posedon | /home/root/Applications/qtmail/qtdb.sqlite3 (don't remember exact file) |
| 01:56.48 | Dave | just stored as a db file |
| 01:56.51 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:57.04 | max_posedon | contains "description" of smses and first 20 bytes |
| 01:57.16 | max_posedon | Dave, no-no, its real hell) |
| 01:57.40 | max_posedon | in sqlite3 db you can find some kind of "md5" of sms, this will be file name for sms in |
| 01:57.48 | max_posedon | /home/root/Applications/qtmail/mail |
| 01:57.55 | shanka | max_posedon: yeah the file is at: /home/root/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite |
| 01:58.05 | max_posedon | but sms, it is just simple plain text. |
| 01:58.42 | max_posedon | I remember that I read russian smses by simple "cat" command after connecting by ssh). |
| 01:59.46 | Dave | so, it's just hashed |
| 01:59.55 | Dave | max_posedon: sneaky :P |
| 02:00.32 | shanka | max_posedon: hmm in that sqlite file, there is a mail field called "mailfile" that may be the md5 sum? |
| 02:00.56 | Dave | Ðак поживаеÑÑ? :) |
| 02:01.11 | max_posedon | shanka, I don't remember exactly it was few month ago, I just remember that is was easy) |
| 02:01.34 | max_posedon | Dave, Find in google, or you known russian?) СпаÑибо, Ñ
оÑоÑо :). |
| 02:01.43 | shanka | yeah I'll look into it, will come back to you for doubts! |
| 02:01.46 | Dave | I know a little :P |
| 02:01.50 | Dave | few phrases |
| 02:01.52 | Dave | :] |
| 02:02.27 | max_posedon | shanka, As for me, I switched to SHR and very lucky for at least I see russian smses)) |
| 02:02.48 | shanka | max_posedon: :) |
| 02:02.49 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:16.42 | Slaxxer | i guess dfu got corrupted |
| 02:17.05 | Slaxxer | dfu capable device not found |
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| 02:22.17 | Dave | :D |
| 02:22.20 | Dave | awesome |
| 02:23.59 | ike | yawns. |
| 02:24.12 | ike | I've just returned from beer event @FOSDEM. |
| 02:31.02 | slaxxin | ahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa |
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| 02:41.51 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 02:51.21 | slaxxin | latest kustomizer loading |
| 02:56.24 | slaxxin | installing parts of fdom? |
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| 03:35.32 | phosphoricx | Hello, I flashed my Freerunner with Qi, and now I can't get back into NOR boot mode to flash a new kernel and filesystem |
| 03:35.40 | phosphoricx | Any ideas :-? |
| 03:37.59 | slaxxin | press aux=power |
| 03:38.10 | slaxxin | + |
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| 03:43.48 | phosphoricx | oh I see the problem, Qi doesn't support DFU |
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| 03:47.47 | slaxxin | cant u install with dfu from nor? |
| 03:48.05 | slaxxin | surely |
| 03:48.40 | phosphoricx | oh I was booting off nand |
| 03:48.40 | phosphoricx | doh |
| 03:48.43 | phosphoricx | :-p |
| 03:51.02 | phosphoricx | thanks for your help :-) |
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| 04:23.02 | kd8ikt | thats like posted up in lights on the qi page |
| 04:24.07 | kd8ikt | i need to make a kernel it would seem |
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| 06:42.29 | create_vibe | hey all |
| 06:42.41 | create_vibe | I just got my neo freerunner and I'm trying to get the wifi going |
| 06:42.44 | create_vibe | can anyone help me out? |
| 06:45.33 | slaxxin | what os is on it? |
| 06:45.47 | slaxxin | factory default? |
| 06:45.56 | create_vibe | ya |
| 06:46.20 | create_vibe | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 6 02:57:37 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 06:46.34 | slaxxin | well i would recomend to upgrade to 2008.12 from bytestore |
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| 06:48.10 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 06:48.14 | create_vibe | ahh, thx |
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| 06:49.03 | slaxxin | a kernel to |
| 06:49.27 | create_vibe | there were insructions on the box to upgrade my firmware, but I can't download the packages. it requires login |
| 06:49.37 | slaxxin | kernel from early january will work |
| 06:50.05 | slaxxin | use dfu utility to flash kernel an rootfs |
| 06:50.42 | dns53 | i'd install and use mofi to manage wifi |
| 06:50.46 | slaxxin | u have a linux desktop or laptop? |
| 06:50.46 | dns53 | what os? the original images did not handle wifi well |
| 06:50.57 | create_vibe | both, actually |
| 06:51.03 | create_vibe | running ubuntu 8.10 |
| 06:51.22 | create_vibe | I'm networking over usb to my desktop atm |
| 06:51.28 | slaxxin | get dfu installed an flash to a current image |
| 06:51.55 | create_vibe | hmm, well I suppose I'll need to read up on all that. this is all a little new to me |
| 06:51.55 | slaxxin | and kernel |
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| 06:52.42 | slaxxin | just download dfu to home |
| 06:52.55 | slaxxin | on desktop or laptop |
| 06:53.45 | slaxxin | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D '/home/brian/mwester kernel/uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin' |
| 06:53.59 | slaxxin | ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D '/home/brian/Desktop/moko/2008.12 russia/bytestore-rootfs-OM200812-2009-01-11-112312.jffs2' |
| 06:54.24 | slaxxin | u may not need the ./ |
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| 06:56.59 | create_vibe | sry, I'm a bit slow... I did sudo apt-get install -d dfu-util to my home dir |
| 06:57.16 | create_vibe | I should scp them to the neo? |
| 06:57.22 | create_vibe | use okpg to install? |
| 06:57.27 | create_vibe | opkg |
| 07:00.17 | create_vibe | ok, I put them in /home on the neo |
| 07:00.27 | slaxxin | download your kernel an rootfs to home on desktop |
| 07:00.37 | slaxxin | then read above |
| 07:02.33 | create_vibe | well I haven't installed the dfu-util |
| 07:02.35 | create_vibe | I'm not sure how |
| 07:02.59 | slaxxin | just wget it to home there is no install |
| 07:03.37 | create_vibe | ok, they are *.gz so I wasn't sure |
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| 07:04.22 | slaxxin | u find the wiki page ?] |
| 07:04.37 | create_vibe | dfu-util_0.0+r4067-3.1.diff.gz - dfu-util_0.0+r4067-3.1.dsc - dfu-util_0.0+r4067.orig.tar.g |
| 07:04.41 | create_vibe | the bytestore page? |
| 07:04.41 | create_vibe | ya |
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| 07:06.39 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 07:07.49 | slaxxin | wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util |
| 07:07.58 | create_vibe | I am supposed to install dfu-util on the neo, right |
| 07:08.04 | slaxxin | chmod a+x dfu-util |
| 07:08.09 | slaxxin | no |
| 07:08.11 | create_vibe | oh |
| 07:08.15 | create_vibe | that's why I was confused |
| 07:09.31 | slaxxin | run dfu as root |
| 07:09.52 | slaxxin | debian installed on sd yea |
| 07:10.35 | create_vibe | on my desktop? |
| 07:10.59 | slaxxin | root on desktop |
| 07:12.13 | create_vibe | is the /home/brian/etc... a path on a remote server? |
| 07:13.42 | slaxxin | my machine |
| 07:14.00 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:16.02 | create_vibe | oh right, but I have to download them first |
| 07:16.09 | create_vibe | sry, was reading man on dfu-util |
| 07:16.24 | slaxxin | yes |
| 07:16.56 | create_vibe | so, dfu-util -l should list something, yes? |
| 07:17.43 | create_vibe | all i get is the openmoko (c) and the disclaimer |
| 07:19.01 | create_vibe | ok, anyways... looking for the files to download |
| 07:21.07 | create_vibe | No DFU capable USB device found |
| 07:22.12 | create_vibe | damn, I have to pick up the gf |
| 07:22.17 | create_vibe | bbiaf |
| 07:22.38 | create_vibe | thx a lot for helpin me slaxxin, I really appreciate it |
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| 08:41.25 | gfather | good morning guys |
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| 08:48.26 | Gromgull | i just flashed SHR and it boots, but only to commandline, i.e. the "angstrom" ascii art greeting... is this the intended behaviour? |
| 08:49.08 | gfather | Gromgull yes m8 |
| 08:49.19 | gfather | thats becouse u flashed command line version ;) |
| 08:49.19 | Gromgull | right |
| 08:49.26 | gfather | plea chek the site for right version |
| 08:50.33 | Gromgull | I flashed the one called shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 08:50.39 | Gromgull | it's the biggest one there... |
| 08:50.45 | Gromgull | ok - let me read more :) |
| 08:50.46 | Gromgull | thanks |
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| 09:02.16 | Gromgull | i'm fairly sure I flashed the normal image... as far as I can see there is now only unstable (testing here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ contains only kernels) |
| 09:02.20 | Gromgull | and there is not really any choice |
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| 09:02.25 | Gromgull | oh well - i'll try basic FSO instead |
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| 09:30.58 | gfather | Gromgull still having problems ? |
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| 09:41.50 | ccfly | morning :) |
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| 09:42.33 | gfather | morning ccfly |
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| 09:51.41 | Gromgull | gfather: FSO boots into illume at least, usb network came up after ifdown/ifup |
| 09:51.47 | Gromgull | but eth0 has no wireless extensions |
| 09:52.03 | Gromgull | but i guess this is a known issue |
| 09:53.31 | gfather | i think u have to use external program to get wifi |
| 09:54.28 | PaulFertser_ | Gromgull: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1 |
| 09:55.11 | Gromgull | suspending and resuming again fixed - although now the screen is white :) |
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| 10:00.35 | Gromgull | but restarting xserver and suspending again brought it back... |
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| 10:03.36 | Gromgull | and now I get paroli in all it's glory! |
| 10:03.39 | Gromgull | oh dear :) |
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| 10:57.42 | Gromgull | Did anyone ever have omview showing any images? |
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| 11:16.50 | walker | hello |
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| 11:57.54 | santoshg | hey has anyone tried to build andy-tracking? |
| 12:03.14 | PaulFertser_ | santoshg: :) |
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| 12:04.51 | santoshg | what? |
| 12:05.07 | PaulFertser_ | santoshg: you made a funny joke :) |
| 12:05.22 | santoshg | why? is there a problem? |
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| 12:06.14 | PaulFertser_ | soltys: no, andy builds it every day. Why should there be a problem? |
| 12:06.49 | santoshg | what happened? |
| 12:06.57 | santoshg | I'm new to this... |
| 12:07.31 | PaulFertser_ | santoshg: no, andy builds it every day. Why should there be a problem? Nothing happened. It just builds. Almost every day. |
| 12:07.52 | santoshg | but I tried getting the source from git... |
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| 12:10.40 | rwhitby | santoshg: since you asked about building it, one would assume you've already got the source fine ... |
| 12:10.40 | PaulFertser_ | santoshg: i've just updated my local tree from git, no problems. |
| 12:11.33 | santoshg | hey why I can't get it? |
| 12:12.31 | henk | santoshg: because you're too dumb to paste the error on a pastebin... |
| 12:12.33 | rwhitby | santoshg: perhaps your computer is turned off - you haven't really given anyone a lot of information about the problem you are having to assist you ... |
| 12:12.33 | PaulFertser_ | santoshg: what error do you get then? |
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| 12:13.23 | santoshg | as in? |
| 12:13.59 | henk | santoshg: ever heard about the smart questions howto? read it! |
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| 12:17.03 | gfather | henk is there a how to , hmm :P |
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| 12:20.39 | usr | hello, i have a problem with my touchscreen |
| 12:21.22 | usr | ore is it normal, that when i touch it the lcd will blur |
| 12:22.59 | usr | it blures in the bottom, even if i touch it in the middle |
| 12:23.07 | leinir | Yes - the solution is to not use the same force you would when doing bench-presses ;) |
| 12:23.27 | gfather | :D |
| 12:23.52 | leinir | But yeah, LCDs will do that :) |
| 12:24.04 | usr | i just ment regular dipping |
| 12:24.13 | henk | gfather: you don't know it? |
| 12:24.53 | usr | i had a p910i bevore and it was a way more professional |
| 12:25.22 | usr | so i don't know, if this is normal... |
| 12:25.43 | gfather | henk i was joking |
| 12:26.25 | usr | maybe they placed the screen a bit to close to the case |
| 12:26.28 | henk | hehe ok :) |
| 12:27.09 | gfather | usr u can open the device and chek if something wronge |
| 12:27.13 | root_at | hey, i have a problem. i am trying to compile a fltk app with the toolchain. i installed fltk to /usr/local/openmoko/... and if make it, he tells me that he cant find libfontconfig.la in /usr/lib/, but he should look up /usr/local/openmoko/... because there this file is. why does he search there? |
| 12:27.40 | gfather | try to link ? |
| 12:27.42 | usr | so you all noticed the a blur by touching the screen? |
| 12:27.51 | gfather | usr . no |
| 12:28.30 | usr | ok |
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| 12:28.56 | root_at | gfather, i compiled it with arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-c++ without any problem... |
| 12:29.19 | usr | maybe i'll send it back, so that they can repair it |
| 12:29.24 | gfather | root_at strange |
| 12:29.40 | gfather | usr try that |
| 12:30.15 | usr | it started to drive me crazy |
| 12:36.14 | bove | Is it possible to use other than standard keyboards on Qtextended? Say multitap-pad |
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| 12:48.31 | root_at | gfather, "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libfontconfig.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib/libfontconfig.la'" so its the linking what going wrong..but how can i change the flags for the linking? cant find anything in the makefiles |
| 12:50.38 | gfather | root_at give me exact error ? |
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| 12:52.23 | root_at | gfather, http://nopaste.biz/65926 some parts are german, but this shouldnt be a problem |
| 12:53.07 | root_at | btw i added AC_PROG_CXX to src/Makefile.am |
| 12:56.48 | henk | yay, unresponsible FR. great. |
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| 13:04.10 | gfather | root_at did u install fontconfig package ? |
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| 13:04.52 | gfather | try to install libfontconfig or libfontconfig-devel |
| 13:05.02 | gfather | and see if you still have the error |
| 13:06.03 | root_at | i have the file libfontconfig.la in /usr/local/openmoko/... but not in /usr/lib..but it doesnt need to be there, does it? |
| 13:06.34 | root_at | gfather, or did you really mean to install it with my package manager, and not with opkg-target? |
| 13:06.40 | gfather | just try to install those 2 for any other rquired components in these packages |
| 13:07.22 | gfather | ur compiling on ur mashine or fr ? |
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| 13:07.32 | root_at | gfather, already tried this once, but then he also cant find about 10 libs more, and if i have all this libs it get any other error which i cant remember |
| 13:08.26 | gfather | well its trying to get the font lib from there , and im sure other stuff to |
| 13:08.43 | PaulFertser | root_at: it seems you're having problems with libtool, not with linking. Try to understand how libtool is invoced and what paths does it use. |
| 13:08.46 | gfather | so just try to install them again so it can read the paths right |
| 13:09.13 | root_at | ok, i will take a look at libtool, thanks |
| 13:09.17 | gfather | if u got what i mean |
| 13:09.52 | gfather | and im sure PaulFertser has better info than me ;) |
| 13:10.07 | PaulFertser | gfather: hey :) |
| 13:10.11 | gfather | hay m8 |
| 13:10.15 | gfather | hows its going ? |
| 13:10.29 | gfather | got the first arabic keyboard on android ;) |
| 13:11.30 | PaulFertser | gfather: you did it yourself or just found? ;) |
| 13:11.48 | gfather | well i helped in doing it ;) |
| 13:12.01 | gfather | nah thre isisnt any other on the net , only the one i have ;) |
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| 13:17.17 | PaulFertser | gfather: can you use A as an everyday phone now? ;) Have you already convinced some rich friends to buy it? ;) |
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| 13:21.04 | gfather | PaulFertser well i have A only tested on fr |
| 13:21.33 | gfather | basic functions can work normal , |
| 13:21.34 | PaulFertser | gfather: and? what doesn't work in that A-world? ;) |
| 13:22.13 | gfather | well lets say its 70% complete |
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| 13:29.07 | bove | One hug problem I experienced when testing A a couple of days ago was the fact that I could not input text in dialog boxes, as dialogs locked the screen behind them |
| 13:30.20 | gfather | bove thats normal , becouse its still A v1.0 so thats android problem itself , but u can downlaod anyother keyboard to use ;) |
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| 13:34.19 | bove | k. thanks for the tip |
| 13:34.36 | gfather | ;) |
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| 13:35.29 | bove | I'm still stuck on Qtextended cause I need working alarm, dialer and contacts |
| 13:36.20 | bove | I think alarms chrashed when I tried to configure |
| 13:36.28 | bove | alarms on android that is |
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| 13:44.09 | usr | i wrote a gui for ctorrent |
| 13:44.36 | SpeedEvil | Ah yes. torrents. On a device which may users pay $20/MB for. |
| 13:44.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:45.26 | usr | !? |
| 13:45.44 | usr | if u have wifi... |
| 13:45.50 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I know. |
| 13:46.02 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't being completely serious. |
| 13:46.11 | usr | what about itunestore xD |
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| 13:48.12 | usr | that would be great music torrents under cc |
| 13:49.01 | rwhitby | can't even afford to use torrents on his broadband home connection, let alone his phone ... |
| 13:50.08 | usr | the problem is... my app needs some fixes |
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| 13:51.27 | usr | a part of it is still written as ash script |
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| 13:53.01 | usr | and if it tries to handle over the command for ctorrent, the gui crashes ugly |
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| 13:54.58 | usr | like mofi during the connection-process |
| 13:56.18 | usr | is there a way to kill an python script for shure? |
| 13:56.35 | Defiant- | kill $pid? |
| 13:56.57 | usr | so is still need to find its pid? |
| 13:57.25 | Defiant- | killall...or depends on what you exactly want |
| 13:57.52 | usr | $killall script.py does not work |
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| 14:00.12 | Sharwin_F | killall -9 ? |
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| 14:00.59 | usr | i tried a function from a tutorial |
| 14:01.01 | usr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.01 | usr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.01 | usr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.22 | Sharwin_F | I think this stops the gtk loop in order to continue with the program |
| 14:03.39 | Sharwin_F | well, continue until the end, so ends the program :P |
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| 14:04.47 | usr | but it does not, maybe because of ctorrent wich is still running as a child-process? |
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| 14:06.44 | Sharwin_F | well, I've never used python but C with gtk. event=None? that means it doesn't trigger with any event? |
| 14:07.13 | usr | ^^ |
| 14:08.03 | usr | i'll try def button_stop(self, event): |
| 14:08.03 | usr | os.system('killall (-9) script.py') |
| 14:08.26 | usr | both... |
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| 14:09.56 | Sharwin_F | usr, what are you trying to kill exactly from the program? the program itself which is running gtk or another one? |
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| 14:10.48 | usr | just the program, a script using pygtk |
| 14:12.40 | Sharwin_F | usr, try with gtk.main_quit and be sure the event is called using some printf or whatever you use on python :P |
| 14:15.16 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r0a0395c43be5 10/src/ (channel.vala multiplexer.vala serial.vala): shuffle channel status logic inside the channel |
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| 14:42.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r5b5cfe5f4e36 10/src/ (channel.vala consts.vala multiplexer.vala serial.vala): less debug output |
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| 15:06.02 | avtobiff | hi there, i just installed om 2008.12 on my freerunner. now, it seems that it goes into suspend or blanks the screen when i do something, click the screen press a button etc. is this known and/or fixable? |
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| 15:09.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * r3a298aa61418 10/src/mainwindow.vala: Starting vertical will work now |
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| 15:15.16 | siegie | Hi, I bought my Neo Freerunner today and I found out I'm having a very common problem with the firmware (according to the hackable one guy), I'm not able to connect to the network, but I can't find the info I need in the wiki, can someone here help me ? |
| 15:16.48 | root_at | siegie, dont ask to ask, ask |
| 15:17.15 | siegie | root_at: with my question I meant can you give me the link or tell me how to fix it |
| 15:17.43 | root_at | siegie, network? usb networking? wlan? |
| 15:17.47 | root_at | wifi* |
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| 15:18.04 | siegie | root_at: GSM |
| 15:18.31 | root_at | siegie, did you already flash the newest firmware? |
| 15:18.52 | siegie | root_at: nope, because I couldn't find a clear manual on the wiki |
| 15:18.56 | root_at | search in the wiki for "gsm flashing" |
| 15:20.01 | siegie | root_at: I found it, I was on that page but in the talk, that's why I didn't understand what they were doing |
| 15:20.03 | lindi- | hmm, any idea if there is a list of known-to-work bluetooth headsets somewhere? |
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| 15:24.36 | Zorkman | lindi-: shouldn't every ad2p bluetooth headset work? |
| 15:24.51 | Zorkman | (or all not work :)) |
| 15:25.50 | lindi- | Zorkman: but they don't |
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| 15:27.44 | usr | lol, have u tried the wiki? |
| 15:27.58 | Zorkman | lindi-: which ones have you tried? |
| 15:28.05 | lindi- | Zorkman: BH-203 |
| 15:28.10 | lindi- | Zorkman: +nokia |
| 15:28.15 | Zorkman | i've ordered a cheap bluetooth receiver on e-bay and hope to test it when it arrives |
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| 15:29.42 | usr | it's not that easy a2dp in linux... |
| 15:30.11 | santoshg | I agree... |
| 15:30.25 | santoshg | but its easier than hsp... |
| 15:30.30 | lindi- | usr: that's why a list of known-to-work devices would be useful |
| 15:30.34 | santoshg | there's no auto-negotiate... |
| 15:30.35 | Zorkman | http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Slim-A2DP-Stereo-Bluetooth-Headphone-Headset-Black-UK5_W0QQitemZ270339914540QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Mobile_Home_Phones_Bluetooth_Acc_ET?hash=item270339914540&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1399|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 is the type i ordered |
| 15:30.37 | lindi- | usr: along with traffic dumps of working calls |
| 15:31.04 | Zorkman | all i'm interested in in listening to music, I hope that will work |
| 15:31.33 | santoshg | actually - from what I find, a2dp should always work |
| 15:31.51 | usr | should... |
| 15:31.58 | santoshg | yes... |
| 15:32.10 | lindi- | santoshg: is bh-203 a2dp? |
| 15:32.19 | lindi- | I think it is only SCO |
| 15:32.20 | santoshg | google :) |
| 15:32.25 | santoshg | or hcitool scan |
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| 15:37.03 | lindi- | santoshg: the point still stands, we (=free software users) need a hardware database |
| 15:37.25 | usr | it's no a2dp ^^ |
| 15:37.35 | santoshg | the thing is.. it works for a2dp |
| 15:37.53 | santoshg | or it should |
| 15:38.20 | santoshg | hsp has a couple of codecs... a law and you law |
| 15:38.30 | lindi- | santoshg: ok how about non-a2dp devices? |
| 15:38.41 | santoshg | I'm not sure if they're sent - then bluez is detecting it |
| 15:42.32 | Zorkman | bluez will be at version 4 btw with next fso milestone i think |
| 15:42.42 | santoshg | I noticed |
| 15:42.50 | santoshg | mdbus -s works |
| 15:43.01 | santoshg | then mdbus -s org.bluez |
| 15:43.06 | santoshg | etc... |
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| 15:49.43 | npcomp | Anybody else having issues getting to wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 15:50.00 | usr | yes |
| 15:50.21 | usr | page is not responding |
| 15:50.25 | npcomp | Hmmm, weird. |
| 15:50.30 | npcomp | I was just on it :-p |
| 15:50.43 | usr | me to |
| 15:50.52 | carllobo | yeah.. timing out |
| 15:50.57 | usr | since 5 minutes now or so |
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| 15:51.49 | lindi- | npcomp: i have a local copy |
| 15:51.51 | Zorkman | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://wiki.openmoko.org |
| 15:52.57 | lindi- | npcomp: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/wiki/ |
| 15:54.29 | usr | nice |
| 15:56.02 | lindi- | I keep one copy always on my phone for instant acces |
| 15:56.26 | usr | is there a fix for the backlight, wich turns always back to bright? |
| 15:56.37 | lindi- | usr: sounds like userland issue |
| 15:57.00 | usr | it's in all om releases |
| 15:57.17 | lindi- | usr: i don't use om distro |
| 15:57.29 | usr | ^^ |
| 15:57.47 | lindi- | usr: but i can write any value i like to the brightness control |
| 15:58.41 | usr | where is your config? |
| 15:58.49 | lindi- | usr: kernel configuration? |
| 15:59.08 | usr | don't know... |
| 15:59.31 | lindi- | usr: the phone sends automatic reports to http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/status-reports/ every two hours. it lists software version numbers |
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| 16:00.31 | usr | nice... your phone? |
| 16:00.43 | lindi- | usr: yep |
| 16:00.58 | usr | do you use gprs? |
| 16:01.01 | lindi- | yep |
| 16:01.13 | Dave | :o |
| 16:01.35 | lindi- | usr: asterisk calls it every two hours. when the phone detects that the call comes from a special number it does not answer the call or play ringtone. instead it starts gprs and sends that status report. then it goes back to sleep |
| 16:01.53 | lindi- | usr: => this way I can automatically test that resume on call works reliably |
| 16:02.08 | d-b | lindi-: what about remote gps info sending -> does that work too ^^ |
| 16:02.25 | usr | would be great... |
| 16:02.31 | usr | tracking |
| 16:02.34 | lindi- | d-b: it takes time to acquire gps fix, and i don't need gps now for anything. it'd be privacy issue to post it |
| 16:02.48 | lindi- | d-b: but you can implement that with three lines of shell script if you want |
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| 16:03.02 | usr | ^^ |
| 16:03.17 | d-b | lindi-: sure if i get to see the method you use to get the software installed via said special number. |
| 16:03.38 | usr | there was this one guy, somebody has stolen his phone |
| 16:03.41 | lindi- | d-b: hmm? |
| 16:04.13 | d-b | lindi-: how do you get it to trigger on a given number calling it. |
| 16:04.30 | zash | lindi-: that setup could be extended for pushing email and stuff :D |
| 16:04.49 | lindi- | d-b: python thas this "==" operator for comparing strings :) |
| 16:04.57 | lindi- | zash: yes |
| 16:05.13 | zash | lindi-: that would be pretty awesome |
| 16:05.32 | d-b | lindi-: yes..... and |
| 16:05.42 | lindi- | zash: I'm thinking about nagios integration here mostly (nagios is automatic monitoring system)= |
| 16:06.47 | lindi- | d-b: "darcs get http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/" to see the code of the dialer program. |
| 16:06.51 | d-b | lindi-: wouldn't you wan it both ways.... sms / call with recorded message "INTERNETZ ARE GONEZ" |
| 16:06.55 | usr | so... if you would add checking for sim-id |
| 16:07.23 | lindi- | d-b: sure but that costs :) |
| 16:07.35 | lindi- | d-b: gprs is flatrate :) |
| 16:07.45 | lindi- | usr: sim-id? |
| 16:08.02 | usr | if there is a guy, wich has it's sim in your phone |
| 16:08.16 | lindi- | usr: you mean a thief? |
| 16:08.48 | usr | yes |
| 16:09.24 | d-b | usr: "friend" -> ahahha call your contacts are mine SPAM |
| 16:09.30 | usr | so the phone find out, that there is a other sim inserted... and starts tracking |
| 16:09.49 | zash | if the thief is not a stupid idiot, /s?he/ would pull the battery and reflash the software |
| 16:09.57 | lindi- | usr: a smart thief will remove the battery |
| 16:10.04 | usr | there is this feature in samsung phones |
| 16:10.54 | lindi- | usr: but if I just forget the phone somewhere then it is of course useful that I can ssh in and use gps to find out where the phone is |
| 16:10.55 | d-b | zash: i doubt it. |
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| 16:12.57 | usr | shure |
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| 16:14.52 | d-b | *reflashing the moko part. |
| 16:15.21 | usr | ok.... |
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| 16:15.48 | usr | but i thing most ofthe people they don't know this phone |
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| 16:15.58 | RzR | there is a debian nas conf now (live video stream too) : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next |
| 16:16.17 | usr | so if you've a sim pin but no phone-pin |
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| 16:19.53 | usr | the phone could try to get the position, its new phone-nr and some cell-id's and then try send it to your e-mail or a sms |
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| 16:20.28 | usr | samsung got this feature called utrack |
| 16:20.57 | lindi- | usr: how could it send email without pin code? |
| 16:20.58 | Dave | :o |
| 16:21.09 | lindi- | usr: wlan and bluetooth of course are available |
| 16:21.12 | npcomp | Any body using fso? |
| 16:21.15 | Dave | What does it do? |
| 16:21.27 | npcomp | And know if it has GPS functionality yet? |
| 16:21.49 | lindi- | usr: and audio. it could start shouting "I have been stolen, activating self-destruction in 10, 9, 8, .." |
| 16:21.50 | usr | you should try everything ^^ |
| 16:22.00 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:22.10 | Dave | wtf phonebombs? |
| 16:22.29 | usr | some kind of fun ^^,... but if you really want your phone back? |
| 16:22.54 | usr | maybe ist schould destroy itself... |
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| 16:23.01 | lindi- | usr: it could calmly say "this device is useless for you, return it to XXX and I pay $20 reward" |
| 16:23.24 | usr | by writing shit in the mbr,... i mean destroy the mbr forever |
| 16:23.35 | lindi- | is it called mbr here? |
| 16:24.02 | usr | ? |
| 16:25.03 | lindi- | usr: just wondering if mbr is x86-only term |
| 16:25.35 | usr | ... ^^ ok |
| 16:25.48 | usr | what would usay? |
| 16:25.53 | lindi- | usr: at least wikipedia does not mention anything non-x86 |
| 16:25.56 | lindi- | usr: boot loader? |
| 16:26.09 | usr | hmm |
| 16:26.27 | usr | but the mbr is part of the filesystem? isn't it |
| 16:26.36 | lindi- | usr: nope |
| 16:26.52 | lindi- | usr: the wikipedia page has quite good explanation |
| 16:27.00 | usr | ok |
| 16:27.16 | lindi- | 446 bytes of boot code. 512-446-2 bytes of partition tables, 2-byte magic |
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| 16:29.06 | usr | but it's still part of the partitioning... |
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| 16:29.50 | lindi- | usr: on freerunner? |
| 16:30.04 | lindi- | usr: I don't have a partition table in NAND iirc |
| 16:30.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: true. |
| 16:30.19 | lindi- | only in SD |
| 16:30.22 | usr | the first 512 bytes of the flash? |
| 16:30.34 | usr | ok |
| 16:30.38 | lindi- | usr: please read the first 512 bytes of flash |
| 16:31.12 | PaulFertser | usr: NAND partition table is dynamically computed every time NOR u-boot or Qi starts. NAND u-boot computes it on user's request and can store it in its environment. |
| 16:32.48 | PaulFertser | usr: the bootloader then starts a kernel appending NAND partition table to the kernel command line. |
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| 16:34.15 | usr | there is no fix filesystem? |
| 16:34.43 | usr | ext2 fat? |
| 16:34.46 | lindi- | usr: ? |
| 16:35.02 | lindi- | usr: jffs2 is typically used |
| 16:35.04 | PaulFertser | usr: partitioning and filesystems are too separate topics. Go read wikipedia. |
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| 16:37.36 | usr | i thought to destroy a mbr so that the filsystem can't be read/mounted anymore |
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| 16:38.20 | Shlee | mbr is different too |
| 16:38.20 | usr | that's how i damaged 1 usbstick and 1 sdcard |
| 16:41.28 | lindi- | usr: fr is unbrickable |
| 16:41.39 | lindi- | usr: you can just repartition the usb stick |
| 16:41.53 | usr | ok |
| 16:43.00 | usr | ^^ why is there no phone pin? |
| 16:43.14 | lindi- | usr: where? |
| 16:43.24 | usr | in openmoko |
| 16:43.34 | lindi- | usr: openmoko distro? |
| 16:43.41 | usr | yes |
| 16:43.47 | lindi- | usr: i don't know, i don't use it :) |
| 16:44.02 | usr | what do u use? |
| 16:44.04 | lindi- | usr: i type my username and password to xdm to login |
| 16:44.05 | usr | shr? |
| 16:44.06 | lindi- | usr: debian |
| 16:44.10 | usr | nice |
| 16:44.35 | usr | hackable:1? |
| 16:44.43 | lindi- | usr: nope, debian |
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| 16:44.57 | usr | i don't like the interface |
| 16:45.16 | usr | what do u use for wifi? |
| 16:45.27 | lindi- | usr: 'the interface'? |
| 16:46.04 | usr | yes |
| 16:46.18 | lindi- | usr: there is no single interface |
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| 16:46.35 | lindi- | usr: you better specify which one you are talking about |
| 16:47.09 | usr | so... there is no mofi right? |
| 16:47.30 | usr | do u have an applet? |
| 16:47.57 | lindi- | usr: i just have menu entry for "connect to wlan network X" which does "sudo ifup eth0=X" |
| 16:48.14 | usr | ok... |
| 16:48.24 | lindi- | and another one for "stop using wlan" |
| 16:48.41 | usr | i would like to get the gnome-network-manager to run, because of nm-applet |
| 16:49.19 | lindi- | i haven't actually ever used it |
| 16:50.18 | usr | it's nice... and easy |
| 16:52.35 | usr | so... it's not working that easy by default. |
| 16:52.41 | usr | have u tried wcid? |
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| 16:54.35 | Dave | Cervajz :D |
| 16:54.45 | lindi- | usr: i have heard that NM is not easy to extend to complex situations |
| 16:54.56 | lindi- | usr: what's wcid? |
| 16:55.11 | usr | a network-tool |
| 16:55.32 | usr | i think it's for editing the wpa-suplicant.conf |
| 16:55.55 | usr | but i was not able to edit mine in openmoko |
| 16:56.07 | usr | so... i still use mofi |
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| 17:02.04 | BluesLee | CoreDump: are you the coredump from the zaurus community? |
| 17:04.46 | Dave | Blueslee :D |
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| 17:10.15 | badcloud | qi stuck on 'power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' properly' |
| 17:10.20 | badcloud | any thoughts?/ |
| 17:10.20 | usr | so how do i kill a python-script? |
| 17:10.49 | Dave | badcloud :D |
| 17:11.21 | henk | badcloud: you mean 'kernel stuck on ...' |
| 17:11.39 | badcloud | right |
| 17:11.41 | lindi- | badcloud: i get that randomly sometimes here but it does not cause any problems |
| 17:11.42 | badcloud | my bad |
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| 17:11.53 | henk | badcloud: try to get verbose output from your kernel. keep pressing power while booting. |
| 17:12.58 | badcloud | almost fell out my hand... that vibrate... |
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| 17:13.15 | Dave | :D |
| 17:13.20 | badcloud | still pressing |
| 17:13.26 | badcloud | he there Dave |
| 17:13.38 | badcloud | *hey |
| 17:13.52 | badcloud | getting no output |
| 17:13.53 | henk | press once for booting, if necessary skip possibilities with aux, then hold power until the screen gets power. |
| 17:15.25 | Dave | :] |
| 17:15.34 | badcloud | same same, but now I got a blinking cursor |
| 17:15.50 | badcloud | definitely an improvementy |
| 17:16.24 | badcloud | worth just reflashing the kernel? |
| 17:17.00 | henk | worth a try |
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| 17:28.33 | usr | i've a problem closing a program written in pygtk. after the gui initialized a shell-script it crashes instead of exiting.the code for delet itself is def delete(self, widget, event=None): gtk.main_quit() return Falseany suggestions? |
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| 17:31.48 | badcloud | ok, booted fedora |
| 17:32.03 | badcloud | where the crap are andy kernels at?! |
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| 17:35.24 | badcloud | seriously, nothing's coming up on google |
| 17:35.50 | badcloud | nm, found it on the om wiki |
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| 17:37.52 | badcloud | I wish I could pastebin this stuff... |
| 17:38.04 | badcloud | I'm getting some regulator error |
| 17:38.10 | badcloud | unable to get |
| 17:38.26 | badcloud | plus some CPU stall |
| 17:38.52 | badcloud | t=4294910158/2000 jiffies |
| 17:39.07 | badcloud | does this translate for any of you guys? |
| 17:39.20 | bove2 | I really wan't to spend some time in Android, but I wount register to gsm network |
| 17:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Got a digital camera? |
| 17:39.29 | bove2 | is this a known problem with the freerunner? |
| 17:39.36 | badcloud | hmmm, yes |
| 17:39.38 | badcloud | one sec |
| 17:39.46 | badcloud | good idea, SpeedEvil |
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| 17:40.27 | SpeedEvil | (however, I have no insight into the above problem) |
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| 17:41.08 | badcloud | the text won't come out in the picture |
| 17:41.10 | badcloud | crap |
| 17:41.30 | bove2 | trying to capture the screen? |
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| 17:42.14 | badcloud | with a digital cam |
| 17:42.43 | bove2 | try to turn on macro mode (often represented by a flower icon) and turn of the flash |
| 17:43.13 | SpeedEvil | And back off the screen somewhat |
| 17:43.34 | SpeedEvil | filling the viewfinder will take you below the minimum range of the camera often |
| 17:43.42 | alexbkk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.50 | badcloud | fuck that, I'll just type it all out |
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| 17:45.39 | alexbkk | I am using om2008.12 |
| 17:46.28 | alexbkk | does anyone know how to make qtopia work again? |
| 17:47.12 | badcloud | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/za8BGh |
| 17:47.14 | badcloud | PHEW |
| 17:48.04 | alexbkk | I tried to install gsm multiplexing and when I undid everything my gsm doesn't work any more |
| 17:48.07 | Dave | haha badcloud |
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| 17:48.36 | badcloud | I'm glad you enjoyed that, Dave ;) |
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| 17:49.56 | alexbkk | my freerunner is great as pocket linuxbox, but I like to use it as a phone too |
| 17:50.12 | alexbkk | any idea? |
| 17:50.43 | badcloud | why not use SHR? |
| 17:50.58 | Dave | :D |
| 17:51.04 | alexbkk | is SHR better than om2008.12? |
| 17:51.17 | badcloud | matter or opinion |
| 17:51.18 | badcloud | *of |
| 17:51.37 | badcloud | I prefer SHR |
| 17:51.39 | alexbkk | I could give it a try, but I was getting used to this one |
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| 17:52.36 | alexbkk | does multiplexing work by default in SHR? |
| 17:52.43 | badcloud | no clue |
| 17:52.44 | badcloud | sorry |
| 17:53.00 | alexbkk | no problem |
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| 17:57.04 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: multiplexing is part of FSO, it works in SHR too |
| 17:57.29 | alexbkk | thanks PaulFertser |
| 17:57.32 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: on FR it's used by default |
| 17:57.37 | badcloud | crap, just reflashed qi, no change |
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| 17:58.02 | alexbkk | and do you have experience installing multiplexing in om2008? |
| 17:58.25 | PaulFertser | badcloud: if you see messages on LCD, then Qi is ok |
| 17:58.57 | badcloud | right |
| 17:58.58 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: i'm lucky to never touch om2008 |
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| 17:59.06 | badcloud | well, I'm gonna try reflashing shr |
| 17:59.09 | badcloud | grrrr |
| 17:59.14 | PaulFertser | badcloud: and i think this messages even can be ok as well. |
| 17:59.19 | PaulFertser | badcloud: did you wait long enough? |
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| 17:59.36 | badcloud | sure, five minutes |
| 17:59.55 | PaulFertser | badcloud: why don't you use the kernel from SHR site? |
| 18:00.19 | badcloud | gave me touchscreen issues |
| 18:00.22 | badcloud | but I'll try again |
| 18:01.19 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: so you would recommend that I reflash to FSO? |
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| 18:01.52 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: that depends on what you want. I use Debian with FSO from git. |
| 18:02.27 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: anyway om2008 is a dead-end, so you gotta move somewhere sooner or later. |
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| 18:02.33 | badcloud | just reboot |
| 18:02.36 | badcloud | (timing) |
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| 18:04.50 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: with Debian, is it possible to install software from the debian repositories? |
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| 18:05.03 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: that's the main advantage of Debian :) |
| 18:05.27 | alexbkk | I'm not sure if I could manage to install Debian |
| 18:05.46 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: it was the first thing i did when i received my FR |
| 18:05.59 | badcloud | so, still the same text |
| 18:06.03 | alexbkk | interesting |
| 18:06.10 | badcloud | but the blinking cursor is *really* going to town |
| 18:06.22 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: and at that time using Qi was unsupported by the install script. And yet i managed it without difficulties, afair. |
| 18:06.43 | PaulFertser | badcloud: are you sure you're booting a kernel from NAND, not from your SD? |
| 18:07.25 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: but is it true that Debian is a bit too resource intensive for a small device like this? |
| 18:07.30 | badcloud | how to be sure? |
| 18:07.44 | badcloud | the uSD is in FAT32 format |
| 18:07.50 | badcloud | so wouldn't qi just ignore it? |
| 18:08.20 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: that depends. Package management is a bit slow, but it's real management, not that half-functional opkg. Otherwise, performance is the same as with any OE distro, i guess. |
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| 18:08.48 | PaulFertser | badcloud: it should. But the messages that you pastebin are clearly post .29 merge, iirc. |
| 18:09.07 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: thanks. I was not aware that om2008 will have no continuity. |
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| 18:09.18 | badcloud | well, now the messages are more pleasant |
| 18:09.45 | badcloud | debugfs dir creation failed |
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| 18:10.09 | badcloud | and power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' properly |
| 18:10.26 | PaulFertser | badcloud: that's ok... |
| 18:10.34 | badcloud | but it stays like forever |
| 18:12.32 | PaulFertser | badcloud: do you have a recent Qi version? After you press a power button to turn on, depress it and press again until you see kernel messages. You'll have much more of them this way. |
| 18:13.16 | lindi- | usr: (re googling for supported bt headsets) "The BlueZ project used to have a very nice list of working hardware, but that list was pulled down as a result of objections from the "Bluetooth Qualification Administrator." -- http://lwn.net/Articles/163266/ |
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| 18:14.46 | usr | is there a pygtk destroy? |
| 18:14.50 | badcloud | JFFS2 notice |
| 18:15.16 | badcloud | wrong data CRC in data node |
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| 18:18.08 | PaulFertser | badcloud: have you ever done something nasty with your NAND? ;) |
| 18:18.30 | badcloud | not intentionally |
| 18:18.36 | badcloud | what could have happened? |
| 18:19.12 | PaulFertser | badcloud: likely nothing, but it's still strange you get that message... Probably you need to reflash rootfs then. |
| 18:19.25 | badcloud | already doing that |
| 18:19.46 | badcloud | last thing I did was try out the default/silent profile swithc |
| 18:19.47 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: just one last question, what size is adequate for a uSD card for Debian? |
| 18:19.49 | badcloud | *switch |
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| 18:20.38 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 18:20.44 | badcloud | yo |
| 18:21.21 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: i started with 512Mb but soon bought 8Gb one. I think they're cheap enough, so if you're going to buy, buy at least 4Gb. And you can partition your card and run both H:1 and Debian, e.g.. |
| 18:22.01 | alexbkk | thanks |
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| 18:24.59 | alexbkk | I wished I could fix my current system anyway, it took me so long to tune it, create the illume keyboard for Thai, install the fonts, include applications, build an addressbook... |
| 18:26.12 | alexbkk | I guess I'll have to use my old motorola for phoning (well, at least it has no echo) |
| 18:27.14 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * rdb9215c5174a 10/src/terminal.vala: White text on black background |
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| 18:30.46 | gfather1 | damn no one wants to help and give e bidi support |
| 18:30.49 | gfather1 | :( |
| 18:31.31 | badcloud | I'd help if I knew how |
| 18:31.31 | gfather1 | im despret |
| 18:31.31 | badcloud | I speak and read/write Hebrew |
| 18:31.50 | gfather1 | badcloud if u could implement pango in e , thats all we got bidi support :) |
| 18:32.05 | badcloud | again, I don't have the knowhow |
| 18:32.11 | gfather1 | me to |
| 18:32.14 | gfather1 | err |
| 18:32.41 | gfather1 | @ least if its done , u could localize to hebrew and i could localize to arabic |
| 18:33.11 | gfather1 | and i dont think its that hard , for someone that knows what to do |
| 18:34.47 | RzR | anyone saw the debian+omoko presentation today ? |
| 18:34.58 | gfather1 | no ? |
| 18:35.10 | gfather1 | i didnt even know there was a presentation |
| 18:35.11 | gfather1 | :( |
| 18:35.28 | leavittx | where? |
| 18:35.53 | gfather1 | can we watch it agin or something? |
| 18:36.00 | gfather1 | @ least read about it |
| 18:36.21 | PaulFertser | alexbkk: FSO and SHR use illume keyboard too. |
| 18:37.58 | alexbkk | PaulFertser: ok that's good to know |
| 18:38.00 | avtobiff | RzR, where? url me up please :) |
| 18:39.03 | RzR | avtobiff: at fosdem : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next |
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| 18:40.44 | avtobiff | nice |
| 18:40.49 | avtobiff | RzR, thanks |
| 18:41.27 | RzR | avtobiff: feedback welcome in comments :) |
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| 18:47.03 | badcloud | shr settings is limp as the Pope |
| 18:47.03 | badcloud | no gsm, bluetooth, brightness, etc |
| 18:48.02 | Dave | :D |
| 18:48.25 | badcloud | back to andy+shr |
| 18:49.02 | badcloud | but I'm not getting my phoown |
| 18:49.10 | badcloud | I wanna make calls... *snif* |
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| 18:49.24 | Dave | :) |
| 18:50.38 | usr | what does the remove button execute? ore the X in shr? _pid? |
| 19:04.47 | Barbadillo | hi, i'm using openmoko on qemu |
| 19:04.56 | badcloud | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrg |
| 19:05.01 | Barbadillo | but it doesn't boot... |
| 19:05.13 | badcloud | anyway to reflash NAND? |
| 19:05.27 | *** part/#openmoko usr (n=usr@dslb-088-073-062-030.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:08.39 | kd8ikt | i use shr unstable |
| 19:08.53 | kd8ikt | suspend/wake seems to work fine |
| 19:09.56 | kd8ikt | badcloud: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D u-boot_imgUwant2Flash.bin |
| 19:10.08 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 19:10.37 | badcloud | I reflashed everything |
| 19:10.52 | badcloud | managed ONCE to initial boot with shr |
| 19:11.04 | badcloud | but I'm getting this wrong data node error |
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| 19:11.26 | kd8ikt | did you just get the phone or somethin? |
| 19:11.31 | badcloud | nope |
| 19:11.37 | badcloud | been using it for a month or two |
| 19:11.41 | badcloud | shr+andy |
| 19:12.12 | kd8ikt | try shr unstable i think you might like it |
| 19:12.37 | kd8ikt | gotta say its the best img i've used |
| 19:12.54 | alx} | the last fso_5 is great too |
| 19:13.06 | kd8ikt | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090129-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:13.27 | kd8ikt | yeah i love its auto time update ;) |
| 19:13.32 | kd8ikt | pretty sweet |
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| 19:14.24 | kd8ikt | bear in mind shr uses the same "engine" as fso |
| 19:14.36 | kd8ikt | just different front end stuff |
| 19:16.44 | kd8ikt | wonder what whitby is upto |
| 19:16.46 | PaulFertser | badcloud: aren't you using SHR unstable? It has andy-tracking kernel for a month. |
| 19:17.42 | badcloud | thanks kd8ikt |
| 19:18.00 | badcloud | I'm dl-ing it now |
| 19:18.06 | badcloud | I had no idea |
| 19:18.25 | badcloud | I always strayed from unstable because I thought it might be, well, unstable |
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| 19:19.58 | Maybelline | Anyone know where I can find info about eth0 on FSO Milestone5? It seems to have disappeared, and been replaced by pan0 (with no wireless extensions) |
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| 19:22.15 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: mdbus to the resque! |
| 19:22.52 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1 |
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| 19:23.38 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: Thank you SO much! |
| 19:23.51 | usr | i've a problem with pygtk |
| 19:24.06 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: you're welcome. Did it actually work? ;) |
| 19:25.00 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: Well, I can see eth0 now, which is a good starting point for me. Even if it doesn't, I still appreciate you opening my eyes. :) |
| 19:26.07 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: if you see it, it should work. Are you using hand-made wpa_supplicant config? That's the most reliable method, imho. |
| 19:27.05 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: Yes, I only have 2 networks that I really use, so the handmade wpa_supplicant works fine for me (until MS5 took away my eth0) |
| 19:27.32 | kd8ikt | Maybelline: pan0 is bluetooth |
| 19:27.57 | kd8ikt | u probably need to enable eth0 via sysfs |
| 19:28.37 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: you don't know FSO enough, man ;) |
| 19:28.49 | badcloud | booting unstable... fingers crossed |
| 19:28.52 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: FSO does that for you. |
| 19:29.04 | badcloud | only thing keeping me from chucking this thing is the crossed fingers |
| 19:29.31 | kd8ikt | frameworkd has wifi included now? |
| 19:30.06 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: for quite a long time already |
| 19:30.08 | badcloud | bootloader is giving me failed to set owner/mode errors |
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| 19:30.17 | badcloud | and now I have a cute little console waiting for me to login |
| 19:30.22 | PaulFertser | badcloud: ah, that's known issue. |
| 19:30.24 | badcloud | I fucking give up |
| 19:30.44 | kd8ikt | paul i have been away for awhile |
| 19:30.55 | kd8ikt | month or two |
| 19:30.58 | badcloud | suggested course of action? |
| 19:31.13 | kd8ikt | my phone was collecting dust |
| 19:31.30 | PaulFertser | badcloud: install FSO ms5 and use it as a phone for a while |
| 19:31.42 | Sharwin_F | badcloud, try an older unstable image, last one has some problems |
| 19:31.57 | PaulFertser | badcloud: with Zhone gui or if you're adventurous, with Paroli. |
| 19:32.41 | Dave | LORN |
| 19:32.45 | Dave | hey kd8 :P |
| 19:32.54 | kd8ikt | damnit dave |
| 19:33.04 | Dave | What? |
| 19:33.17 | kd8ikt | DAVE |
| 19:33.25 | Dave | YES |
| 19:33.28 | kd8ikt | DAVE |
| 19:33.34 | Dave | SPEAK, MORTAL |
| 19:33.44 | kd8ikt | DAVE |
| 19:33.47 | badcloud | Paul, where is ms5 located? |
| 19:33.53 | Dave | tranquilizes kd8ikt |
| 19:34.06 | kd8ikt | downloads.fresmartphone.org i think |
| 19:34.49 | badcloud | I'm already there |
| 19:34.54 | mirko-paroli | badcloud: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/ |
| 19:34.55 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 19:35.00 | badcloud | thanks |
| 19:35.26 | lpotter | dave? dave's not here, man |
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| 19:35.36 | badcloud | h |
| 19:35.37 | badcloud | a |
| 19:35.43 | badcloud | where's that from..., Ipotter |
| 19:35.53 | lpotter | cheech and chong, of course! |
| 19:35.54 | badcloud | which movie? |
| 19:35.56 | kd8ikt | anyone a wiz at python? cause i dont think i can handle it |
| 19:35.58 | badcloud | ah |
| 19:36.05 | lpotter | album |
| 19:36.10 | badcloud | which kernel do you recommend for FSO ms5? |
| 19:36.27 | kd8ikt | python +xml reading and sqlite exporting |
| 19:36.28 | mirko-paroli | badcloud: take the 2.6.28 in the same dir |
| 19:36.32 | PaulFertser | badcloud: the one that's recommended by the FSO team, it's near the image |
| 19:36.46 | badcloud | and bootloader? |
| 19:36.48 | PaulFertser | badcloud: that's andy-tracking from early Jan with the most important bugfixes. |
| 19:37.15 | badcloud | will qi do? |
| 19:37.27 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i can't say for sure whether FSO will be happy with NAND mounted ro... Give it a try at least. |
| 19:38.17 | kd8ikt | qi takes some setup |
| 19:38.46 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: what if you run from NAND? I though FSO will remount it rw as it should. |
| 19:38.50 | badcloud | what's the difference between openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2? |
| 19:39.30 | kd8ikt | need a kernel on mmcblkp1 IIRC |
| 19:40.39 | kd8ikt | think if it cant find a rootfs on mmcblk* it will mount the jffs rootfs in flash |
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| 19:41.13 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: Qi will run kernel from NAND kernel partition if SD is skipped/unavailable. |
| 19:41.13 | henk | badcloud: the latter is probably a symlink to the former or the latest image in general. |
| 19:41.24 | badcloud | ah |
| 19:41.28 | badcloud | confusing... |
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| 19:45.43 | avtobiff | RzR, is there a version of the openmoko+debian talk to download? |
| 19:49.45 | kd8ikt | holy crap i'm about to manually start entering stuff into the sqlitedb |
| 19:50.08 | kd8ikt | python+me=fail |
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| 19:52.25 | badcloud | still not getting X..... |
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| 19:53.52 | kd8ikt | did you use the console image ;D |
| 19:54.04 | badcloud | yup |
| 19:54.06 | badcloud | wtf... |
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| 19:54.12 | kd8ikt | ROFL |
| 19:54.26 | kd8ikt | i like the illume ones |
| 19:54.41 | badcloud | so, what do I do...? |
| 19:54.59 | kd8ikt | reflas or ssh in and start opkg installing stuff |
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| 19:55.58 | badcloud | reflash with what then??? |
| 19:56.13 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: Looks like it doesn't work with my handmade wpa_supplicant.conf. I keep getting "No Lease, Failing". |
| 19:56.53 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: i'm afraid something else is wrong then. So, you can associate, but can't get DHCP? |
| 19:57.00 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: when I run wpa_cli, it says it can't authenticate, and then loses the connection to wpa_supplicant. It re-establishes the connection, but then still can't authenticate. |
| 19:57.23 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: Yep, I think that's the case. And I'm not to savvy with udhcpc or whatever it's called. |
| 19:58.09 | badcloud | helppp |
| 19:58.22 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: ah, then it means you don't have wpa_supplicant running at all, i guess. |
| 19:58.32 | PaulFertser | badcloud: illume fso immage |
| 19:58.39 | badcloud | ah |
| 19:58.40 | badcloud | ok |
| 19:58.44 | badcloud | thanks |
| 19:59.34 | Maybelline | PaulFertser: It's quite alright, though... it still works as a phone pretty well. One last question, if you'll tolerate it. What is a good feed to add to FSO to get things like dillo/midori, mofi, navit? |
| 20:00.22 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: i'm a debian user, can't help you here, somebody else will. |
| 20:00.31 | Maybelline | I've read that you shouldn't mix feeds, and the FSO feeds don't seem to have many of those packages |
| 20:00.44 | Maybelline | Ah, very cool. I appreciate the help. |
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| 20:02.39 | kd8ikt | fso-settings |
| 20:02.49 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: wifi worked for me with running wpa_supplicant manually. And, btw, there were some reports that with some AP one need to use --maxperf setting of wmiconfig. |
| 20:03.37 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: why this strange nick, btw? |
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| 20:05.48 | kd8ikt | guess she wasnt born with it |
| 20:05.58 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 20:07.21 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: guess that's not very appropriate for someone with login "jeremy" ;) Probably a trick to get more help on IRC? ;) |
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| 20:10.35 | kd8ikt | ew |
| 20:10.41 | kd8ikt | tranny |
| 20:10.54 | kd8ikt | sexy jutsu |
| 20:11.06 | kd8ikt | :D naruto |
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| 20:13.02 | Dave | o_O |
| 20:13.19 | Dave | What the hell are you guys talking about? |
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| 20:13.46 | PaulFertser | Dave: nicks :) |
| 20:14.05 | Dave | pfft |
| 20:14.14 | Dave | piss on kd8 then and his call sign :P |
| 20:14.17 | PaulFertser | Dave: let me look at your login name ;) Did your parents call you Ann? ;) |
| 20:14.20 | zedstar_ | the big hands gave it away |
| 20:14.38 | Dave | Paul o_O |
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| 20:15.00 | Dave | retracile :o |
| 20:15.10 | kd8ikt | paul can you script in python? |
| 20:15.22 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: nope, only read |
| 20:15.29 | kd8ikt | bah |
| 20:15.41 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: trying it manually didn't work, either. I rebooted the router to see if that helps... forgot to log off here first, tho! |
| 20:15.53 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser, kd8ikt: I have long eyelashes, and my friends don't let me forget it. |
| 20:16.00 | kd8ikt | well anyway heres what i'm sorta working on i did a bunch of background research so coding is the next step |
| 20:16.04 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:TangoGPS |
| 20:16.08 | PaulFertser | :) ah, the mystery is solved |
| 20:16.32 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: wifi worked for me with running wpa_supplicant manually. And, btw, there were some reports that with some AP one need to use --maxperf setting of wmiconfig. |
| 20:17.07 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: did wifi ever worked for your on FR? |
| 20:17.23 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 20:20.10 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: I just tried it after wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf. The router is right behind me, so I don't think it's a signal issue. When I run wpa_supplicant manually, I see that it associates, but authentication still times out. |
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| 20:20.35 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: yes, wifi worked for me on MS2, 3 & 4, IIRC. |
| 20:21.06 | PaulFertser | Maybelline: maxperf sometimes affects stability regardless of how far you're from AP. |
| 20:21.40 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: I do get a "ioctl[SIOCSWMLME]: Operation not supported" that I don't remember ever seeing before, though. |
| 20:22.13 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: it gives me that error right after the Auth timeout |
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| 20:23.19 | PaulFertser | xIx_Maybelline_x: gather some logs with various APs and send to the devel ML then... |
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| 20:24.46 | kd8ikt | maybe some guys wear makeup paul ? |
| 20:25.06 | leinir | i did yesterday... :) |
| 20:25.09 | leinir | (costume party ;) ) |
| 20:25.32 | kd8ikt | and dont make fun of my hamlyness dave cause when the world comes to an end i just might not help you :D |
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| 20:26.24 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: I can't understand why the majority of girs wear makeup as well. Seems completely useless. They don't do it for art, just because of stupid tradition. I can't respect that. |
| 20:27.08 | kd8ikt | i wanted to order some of those maggots they use for maggot thearpy (special maggot that only eats the necrotic "dead" tissue) but you can only get them from perscription and not allowed to breed em ;D |
| 20:27.24 | kd8ikt | sluty makeup is hawt |
| 20:28.16 | kd8ikt | might be usefull after the bombs get dropped to have some of those maggots |
| 20:28.42 | kd8ikt | nice conversational piece pet too |
| 20:31.01 | retracile | Dave! |
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| 20:31.55 | kd8ikt | http://www.coolepochcountdown.com/ thow a party Friday, February 13th 2009 |
| 20:32.10 | kd8ikt | epoch time of 1234567890 |
| 20:32.21 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm trying to do this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing I put FSO on my machine but I don't understand how I'm supposed to ssh into the machine (I see it in nm-applet but I want to communicate with my neo and be connected to the internet at the same time), help ? |
| 20:32.21 | Dave | retracile ;) |
| 20:32.23 | badcloud | people, the illume image of FSO ms5 gave me the console |
| 20:32.46 | retracile | heads back to cleaning the garage |
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| 20:33.08 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 20:33.13 | kd8ikt | Bert_2: |
| 20:33.37 | Bert_2 | kd8ikt: and should I only see a console on my Neo's screen now ? |
| 20:33.49 | kd8ikt | depends |
| 20:33.49 | Dave | :P |
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| 20:33.56 | kd8ikt | better than a black screen |
| 20:34.08 | kd8ikt | or all white |
| 20:34.23 | kd8ikt | least you know its working |
| 20:34.27 | Dave | :D |
| 20:34.34 | zedstar_ | bert_2 i built some images and had the same issue......dunno wtf was up with that but yeh not much u can do |
| 20:34.47 | kd8ikt | unless it says kernel panic at the bottom and red flashing aux light |
| 20:34.57 | Dave | rut roh |
| 20:35.06 | Bert_2 | kd8ikt: I used the images that were used in the flashing manual |
| 20:35.13 | kd8ikt | tosses Dave a scooby snack |
| 20:35.25 | Dave | thanks :) |
| 20:35.25 | kd8ikt | wonder how old that manual is |
| 20:35.28 | Dave | rooby rooby roooooooooo |
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| 20:36.12 | kd8ikt | wait your flashing the GSM?!?! |
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| 20:36.30 | kd8ikt | dont look at me for advise then |
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| 20:36.56 | zedstar_ | a flashing manual sounds interesting did it mention a long coat? |
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| 20:37.48 | Dave | What about flashing? |
| 20:38.31 | kd8ikt | either he's mixing up flashing the openmoko phone OS firmware image with the GSM modem chips firmware or... i'm crazy |
| 20:38.46 | Bert_2 | kd8ikt: I need to flash my GSM firmware, otherwise I can't use it (I have one of those nasty bugs) |
| 20:38.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, how does an icon get on the main screen other than with a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications? |
| 20:39.05 | Digital_Pioneer | I've got this PITA mplayer icon in there, and I want to get rid of it. |
| 20:39.17 | kd8ikt | well you need to be ssh'd in to do that, so you need a semi working OS image to boot ande login |
| 20:39.17 | Bert_2 | kd8ikt: yeah, I want to flash the GSM modem firmware |
| 20:39.20 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: connect via ssh and flash it according to wiki instructions |
| 20:39.37 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: you mean these http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? |
| 20:39.42 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: yes |
| 20:40.01 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: was doing that as you typed |
| 20:40.12 | kd8ikt | i thought that was mostly for neo1970 userws |
| 20:40.47 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I get a failed to download error (my neo doesn't have a network connection know, can that have something to do with it) |
| 20:40.49 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: gsm flashing is for everybody |
| 20:41.10 | Dave | :P |
| 20:41.15 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: if you get an error while trying to wget or opkg anything, then yes :) |
| 20:41.17 | Dave | Paul, unlike freerunners? :P |
| 20:41.20 | kd8ikt | will it fix the interference i hear when in call? |
| 20:41.22 | Dave | certainly not for everybody :D |
| 20:41.51 | kd8ikt | (remote end of call) |
| 20:41.53 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: what can I do about it, can I sftp to ipk files onto my Freerunner and then install them from the file system |
| 20:41.54 | kd8ikt | the buzz |
| 20:41.59 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: NOT |
| 20:42.09 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: how many times everybody has to repeat? |
| 20:42.21 | kd8ikt | one more time should do it |
| 20:42.23 | PaulFertser | kd8ikt: GSM buzz is HARDWARE issue that is easily fixable with a rework |
| 20:42.43 | kd8ikt | damn :P i guess i should save up for a gta03 |
| 20:42.47 | mwester | s/easily/not easily/ |
| 20:42.52 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: was that a reply to my question or not ? |
| 20:43.14 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: just do according to the wiki and you're safe |
| 20:43.32 | mwester | kd8ikt: save up for an iphone. it works. |
| 20:43.52 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: the wiki says I have to use opkg but I don't have internet on my freerunner, so should I sftp the file onto it or what ? |
| 20:44.17 | PaulFertser | mwester: i've looked at this rework again today. It just doesn't look too hard, really. I think i could do it myself without equipment. I'm going to desolder some R's soon anyway, that'll prove my point. |
| 20:44.48 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i'm afraid you won't be able to easily opkg a local file. So, better provide internet to your FR. |
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| 20:45.31 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: and how can I get my internet working from a console ? |
| 20:46.12 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: proper iptables setup on your host (and enable ip_forward) is usually enough. |
| 20:46.26 | kd8ikt | usbnet |
| 20:46.48 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: kd8ikt: and how do I do that ? |
| 20:46.51 | kd8ikt | not to mention there is wifi bluetooth and GPRS as options |
| 20:47.04 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 20:47.11 | kd8ikt | i just posted that like 2 min ago |
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| 20:47.36 | Bert_2 | kd8ikt: yeah, but I don't know how to use wifi from the command line |
| 20:47.46 | kd8ikt | so go take the ring to mordor |
| 20:48.03 | kd8ikt | iwconfig udhcpc and wpa_supplicant cant help you on your journey |
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| 20:48.04 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: use usb networking then instead. Read the wiki finally! |
| 20:48.21 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 20:48.28 | kd8ikt | i'm outy |
| 20:49.23 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: kd8ikt: I used the wiki to get SSH working, I didn't see that it also contained info for internet |
| 20:49.50 | badcloud | crap, isn't there an image out there that can a) handle calls properly, b) suspend&resume, and c) boot to xserver?? |
| 20:50.12 | lindi- | badcloud: image? |
| 20:50.25 | badcloud | of a distro |
| 20:50.46 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 20:50.47 | badcloud | I tried shr unstable, I get wrong data node errors |
| 20:50.58 | badcloud | I try FSO ms5, I get a freakin console |
| 20:51.02 | lindi- | badcloud: wrong data node errors? |
| 20:51.02 | kd8ikt | the image i linked to you? |
| 20:51.12 | kd8ikt | never heard of that error before |
| 20:51.13 | badcloud | the image you linked gave me console |
| 20:51.24 | kd8ikt | interesting |
| 20:51.29 | badcloud | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2? |
| 20:51.35 | badcloud | without the '?' |
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| 20:52.16 | badcloud | and this godforsaken fedora live running piece of crap-top can't find usb0, so I can't ssh to it |
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| 20:52.34 | badcloud | 2.6.28 kernel |
| 20:52.37 | badcloud | qi bootloader |
| 20:52.46 | kd8ikt | use u-boot |
| 20:52.57 | badcloud | ok |
| 20:53.02 | kd8ikt | nvrmnd i'm leaving see you all in hell |
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| 20:53.25 | badcloud | already there |
| 20:53.29 | Dave | :P |
| 20:53.30 | badcloud | :( |
| 20:53.32 | kd8ikt | >: |
| 20:53.33 | Dave | norge \o/ |
| 20:53.41 | badcloud | ha |
| 20:53.48 | badcloud | I meant with this plastic nightmare |
| 20:54.36 | Dave | :P |
| 20:54.46 | xIx_Maybelline_x | PaulFertser: giving up for today. Thanks again. |
| 20:54.55 | PaulFertser | xIx_Maybelline_x: you're welcome |
| 20:56.05 | Dave | :D |
| 20:56.10 | Dave | hot |
| 20:56.56 | badcloud | what's hot, Daveo? |
| 20:58.12 | Dave | haha his silly quit message :P |
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| 20:59.22 | badcloud | oh , ha |
| 20:59.45 | PaulFertser | badcloud: your quit message is worse. Mibbit.com is encouraging killin mice or something like that. It's terrible ;) |
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| 21:00.18 | badcloud | I can't wait to get my regular box up and running so I can run bitchx or something normal |
| 21:00.26 | badcloud | getting sick of this webirc shit |
| 21:00.55 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * r39e7a4f21c73 10/src/ (mainwindow.vala terminal.vala): parameter handling. parameters now= fontsize,vertical/horizontal toolbar, execute command, help |
| 21:01.06 | badcloud | looks like fso ms5 doesn't like qi |
| 21:01.20 | badcloud | illume finally started with u-boot |
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| 21:05.11 | badcloud | but 'shutdown now' isn't powering off |
| 21:05.18 | badcloud | just giving me a black screen |
| 21:05.51 | Dave | rut roh :P |
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| 21:06.57 | badcloud | oh, the patience this phone has instilled in me... |
| 21:07.06 | badcloud | like a syringe |
| 21:07.12 | Bert_2 | I've used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking to get an ssh access and tried the entire ubuntu guide in the hope to give it internet connection but it doesn't want to work, can someone help me out ? |
| 21:07.56 | badcloud | it maybe easier to use wifi on the FR and the ssh from a computer hooked up to the same network |
| 21:08.26 | badcloud | do you have a wireless router? |
| 21:08.37 | Tig| | Bert_2, go on then let's give it a shot :) |
| 21:08.50 | badcloud | that's how I've been doing it |
| 21:09.00 | badcloud | edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 21:09.22 | badcloud | edit /etc/default/dropbear to look like: DROPBEAR_PORT=22 |
| 21:09.34 | badcloud | be sure to set a root passwd |
| 21:10.08 | Tig| | badcloud, I think he has ssh via USB but wants to connect to the net via a laptop/desktop |
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| 21:10.30 | badcloud | I know |
| 21:10.32 | Tig| | Bert_2, right checklist : are you running linux on the desktop |
| 21:10.41 | badcloud | an internet connection is an internet connection |
| 21:10.48 | badcloud | wifi/usb/who cares |
| 21:11.15 | Bert_2 | Tig|: I'm running ubuntu and I know how some basic CLI stuff |
| 21:11.21 | Tig| | badcloud, yes but he has a USB connection with working ssh so lets not open the wifi fun |
| 21:11.37 | Tig| | Bert_2, right open up a command prompt |
| 21:11.38 | badcloud | go for it |
| 21:11.40 | Tig| | and type |
| 21:11.45 | Tig| | sudo -s |
| 21:11.57 | Bert_2 | Tig|: on the host right ? |
| 21:12.05 | Tig| | yes all this is on the host |
| 21:12.13 | Bert_2 | I'm root now |
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| 21:12.45 | Tig| | right the ubuntu stuff in the usb networking never works for me so we will do it the basic way that I know works :) |
| 21:12.50 | Bert_2 | k |
| 21:13.02 | Bert_2 | I did all the odd stuff on the wiki, should I erase it ? |
| 21:13.15 | Tig| | nah this should still work |
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| 21:13.23 | Bert_2 | k |
| 21:13.28 | Bert_2 | I'm waiting for the next step ;) |
| 21:13.30 | Tig| | right do you know what ip address your host has |
| 21:13.55 | Tig| | if not type ifconfig |
| 21:14.07 | Tig| | and look for the entry that has an IP address :) |
| 21:14.10 | Bert_2 | the IP of the host in the Neo network is 192.168.0.200 and in my own network it's 192.168.1.101 |
| 21:14.22 | Tig| | right was just checking :) |
| 21:14.24 | Tig| | ok |
| 21:14.40 | Tig| | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 21:14.46 | Tig| | as in the wiki |
| 21:14.56 | Bert_2 | done, no output |
| 21:15.00 | Tig| | good |
| 21:15.02 | Tig| | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 21:15.24 | Bert_2 | output: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 21:15.28 | Tig| | good |
| 21:15.29 | Tig| | ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 |
| 21:15.49 | Bert_2 | output: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 21:15.56 | Tig| | that is ok, |
| 21:15.59 | Bert_2 | k |
| 21:16.00 | Tig| | now ssh into the fr |
| 21:16.12 | Bert_2 | I'm already SSHd in for a long time |
| 21:16.30 | Tig| | ok right, are you ok with vi ? |
| 21:16.32 | Bert_2 | but now hard IPs work |
| 21:16.44 | Tig| | now we need to fix dns resolution |
| 21:16.56 | Tig| | so |
| 21:17.03 | Tig| | vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:17.07 | Bert_2 | add "nameserver IP" to /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:17.12 | Tig| | yeah |
| 21:17.43 | Bert_2 | done, it seems to work :D |
| 21:17.51 | Tig| | yay \o/ |
| 21:18.00 | Tig| | all sorted then? |
| 21:18.21 | Bert_2 | guess so yeah |
| 21:18.25 | Tig| | Rarr :) |
| 21:18.31 | Bert_2 | now I'm moving on to flash the GSM modem firmware |
| 21:18.35 | Bert_2 | thQ for your help ;) |
| 21:18.51 | Tig| | no problem :) |
| 21:21.20 | badcloud | can u-boot handle shr-unstable? |
| 21:21.44 | PaulFertser | Yes |
| 21:21.51 | badcloud | it doesn't require qi |
| 21:21.53 | badcloud | ? |
| 21:21.58 | PaulFertser | Yes |
| 21:22.14 | badcloud | meaning it does, or doesn't? |
| 21:22.25 | PaulFertser | badcloud: SHR-unstable doesn't require Qi. |
| 21:22.35 | badcloud | thanks |
| 21:23.03 | badcloud | apparently qi has been O.D.ing |
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| 21:24.09 | Bert_2 | say Tig| what distro do you think is the best one to run on the Freerunner ? |
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| 21:25.19 | Dave | Tig :P |
| 21:26.06 | Tig| | Bert_2, ah the eternal question, FSOms5 prolly has the best call quality, SHR is probably closer to what I am after and they will get the FSO MS5 improvements soon |
| 21:26.11 | badcloud | I'd say Mac OS X |
| 21:26.13 | Tig| | Dave \o/ |
| 21:26.23 | badcloud | make it an iFreerunner |
| 21:26.45 | Tig| | badcloud, if I wanted a locked down image on my phone I would run qtopia :P |
| 21:26.54 | Bert_2 | Tig|: what are the differences between those 2 distros ? |
| 21:26.54 | badcloud | I was *joking* |
| 21:27.00 | Tig| | I know :) |
| 21:27.40 | Tig| | Bert_2, the page on distros on the wiki is prolly the best place to look, but SHR is based on FSO |
| 21:27.44 | badcloud | if you did, why the serious answer? |
| 21:28.06 | Tig| | badcloud, you thought that was serious? I was trying to wind up the qt people :) |
| 21:28.11 | Bert_2 | Tig|: the last time I asked a question about something on the distro part of the wiki everybody told me it hadn't been updated for ages |
| 21:28.23 | Tig| | yeah it is a bit out of date |
| 21:28.37 | badcloud | gotcha :) |
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| 21:29.20 | Tig| | Bert_2, basically the FSO images are test images based on the new DBUS framework with a testing app called zhone on top of it |
| 21:29.56 | Tig| | SHR is a community driven image using the FSO framework with basic EFL phone apps built over the top |
| 21:31.51 | Dave | haha iFreerunner |
| 21:32.36 | Tig| | christ it only has one thing going for it putting a jobs dog collar on it would make it pointless |
| 21:32.54 | Dave | :D |
| 21:33.09 | badcloud | you know what I loved hearing about when it happened? you needed to pay apple 10 bucks for a firmware upgrade for the first gen of ipod touch |
| 21:33.16 | badcloud | when nothing worked out of the box |
| 21:33.25 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:33.37 | Dave | owned. raped. HUMILIATION! |
| 21:33.45 | Tig| | nothing like that would happen here. btw where do I get my FR reworked for the buzz fix? |
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| 21:36.39 | Dave | http://yousuckatcomments.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/moo.gif |
| 21:37.09 | badcloud | hahahaha |
| 21:37.41 | Dave | :D |
| 21:38.02 | badcloud | wait wait, I got one |
| 21:38.46 | PaulFertser | Tig|: any electronics repair workshop |
| 21:38.51 | badcloud | http://www.geocities.com/badcloud56/n718588721_1481555_7642.jpg |
| 21:39.57 | Dave | :D |
| 21:41.21 | Tig| | PaulFertser, actually it was part rhetorical given the conversation immediately above :) |
| 21:41.27 | doc|home | anyone know when we're actually going to have a decent battery life on these things? |
| 21:42.11 | Dave | doc :P |
| 21:43.23 | doc|home | really though, it's been what, 6 months? |
| 21:43.38 | Tig| | mine lasts a couple of days now |
| 21:44.11 | badcloud | realllllly, Tig|? |
| 21:44.12 | Tig| | that is not a scientific test but battery is not much of an issue for me now |
| 21:44.34 | Tig| | well it suspended and a couple of days later resumed |
| 21:45.03 | doc|home | Tig|: on what distro? |
| 21:45.06 | badcloud | but a couple days as primary phone? |
| 21:45.10 | badcloud | or doorstop |
| 21:45.19 | doc|home | oh, and is anyone getting an error on the last repo for shr? |
| 21:45.24 | Tig| | not couple of days as primary phone |
| 21:45.34 | Tig| | that was shr / fso |
| 21:45.52 | Tig| | but it was not the 8 hrs and dead that it was before |
| 21:46.09 | Dave | :] |
| 21:46.14 | Dave | yep! |
| 21:47.23 | doc|home | so, is shr usable as a primary phone? |
| 21:47.26 | doc|home | I'm afraid to try it |
| 21:47.58 | Tig| | not quite yet |
| 21:48.10 | badcloud | I've used it for some time |
| 21:48.14 | Tig| | it will be close when all the fso5 fixes get ported |
| 21:48.26 | Tig| | it depends if you have the buzz issue really |
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| 21:49.52 | mwester | admits failure.... dug deep to get wound up about Tigl's qt jab, but just couldn't come up with anything better than "Oh yeah!? Well what about Android, then!?"... :P |
| 21:50.05 | Dave | :P |
| 21:50.50 | PaulFertser | Tig|: SHR unstable already uses MS5 |
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| 21:51.49 | Tig| | PaulFertser, I was not sure if the changes had come across yet |
| 21:52.04 | PaulFertser | Tig|: almost everybody sooner or later experiences buzz issue, it depends on how bad is signal conditions. The more power your FR has to output, the more buzz the opposite side hears. |
| 21:52.27 | kd8ikt | ah |
| 21:52.41 | Tig| | PaulFertser, ah that would explain it, I am out in the countryside (ooo arrr m'dear etc) |
| 21:52.57 | kd8ikt | boondocks |
| 21:53.12 | PaulFertser | Tig|: i thought that was obvious (and mentioned several times on the ML) :) |
| 21:53.21 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: how do you tell framework version? |
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| 21:53.51 | PaulFertser | vanous123: is it a trick question? Honestly, i don't know, i use "git log" ;) |
| 21:54.24 | Tig| | PaulFertser, tbh I gave up reading the mailing list a long time ago as the signal to noise was worse than my phonecalls :) |
| 21:54.36 | PaulFertser | vanous123: maybe mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.GetVersion |
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| 21:55.06 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: well, that gives me the same as opkg does |
| 21:55.22 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: frameworkd - 0.8.4.9+gitr1104+e9ce74390961554e7a7af4a6c7c90f7c1b389288-r4 |
| 21:55.36 | Tig| | kd8ikt, we have a pub (very good food and beer), broadband (providing the sheep don't nibble the cable) and lovely country roads to hoon down at speed. What more could you ask for :) |
| 21:56.00 | mwester | that sounds nice... except for the sheep. |
| 21:56.17 | Tig| | well there are not many of them and they are over the other side of the hills |
| 21:56.19 | badcloud | don't like lambchops, mwester? |
| 21:56.27 | Tig| | but I still blame them for adsl cutouts |
| 21:56.31 | mwester | How about sunshine, though -- any of that, Tig| ? |
| 21:56.48 | mwester | badcloud: Nope, no lamb. Real meat for me. |
| 21:56.49 | Tig| | yep loads :) even when it was snowing everywhere else :) |
| 21:57.03 | Tig| | lamb is not nice meat |
| 21:57.13 | badcloud | where is this, Tig|? |
| 21:57.26 | Tig| | near Worcs UK |
| 21:57.31 | badcloud | nice |
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| 21:57.51 | Tig| | it is 213 meters to the pub damnit! |
| 21:57.59 | badcloud | hahaha |
| 21:58.04 | badcloud | and 400 back? |
| 21:58.09 | Tig| | well..... |
| 21:58.16 | mwester | so you get drunks in your front yard on the weekends, then? |
| 21:58.34 | Tig| | nope because I am a few miles from everywhere else :) |
| 21:58.37 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: just by the date, this is gonna be MS4 |
| 21:59.58 | kd8ikt | dirty deeds... done with sheep |
| 22:00.21 | PaulFertser | vanous123: sorry, i can't help here. Never thought about it :) |
| 22:00.23 | Dave | hah! |
| 22:01.02 | Bert_2 | What do you guys think, is SHR stable enough to use on a daily basis ? |
| 22:01.16 | badcloud | with the occasional glitch, yes |
| 22:01.17 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: no problem at all :) i just was curious several days ago already :) |
| 22:01.51 | vanous123 | badcloud: the unstable SHR now seems not to bind aux and power keys somehow |
| 22:02.41 | badcloud | you're right |
| 22:02.45 | badcloud | sheeyit |
| 22:02.49 | PaulFertser | vanous123: yes, known problem |
| 22:02.55 | vanous123 | yes? |
| 22:02.56 | Dave | :P |
| 22:02.57 | badcloud | so how the devil can I suspend? |
| 22:03.05 | vanous123 | via X menu |
| 22:03.09 | Bert_2 | should I use shr-testing or shr-unstable ? |
| 22:03.15 | PaulFertser | vanous123: so, you're using SHR unstable with unstable feeds and framework wasn't upgraded to MS5? |
| 22:03.19 | badcloud | and the resume??? |
| 22:03.22 | badcloud | *then |
| 22:03.26 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: yes |
| 22:03.36 | badcloud | as aux and power don't work |
| 22:03.40 | badcloud | :P |
| 22:03.47 | PaulFertser | vanous123: that's something that we should ask mrmoku about. |
| 22:03.56 | Tig| | Dave, remember that years from now we will laugh at this :) |
| 22:04.08 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: have you successfully flashed GSM firmware? Congratulations! |
| 22:04.13 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: well, i looked at it and E binds OK, it seems that xmodmap doesn bind the key |
| 22:04.33 | badcloud | seriously though, how would one resume under shr-unstable? |
| 22:04.48 | Dave | probably not |
| 22:04.50 | vanous123 | badcloud: resume? that works |
| 22:04.56 | PaulFertser | badcloud: no, resume is hardware, works with any distro by pressing power button or inserting usb jack. |
| 22:05.00 | Dave | those of us who are still in rooms with unpadded walls |
| 22:05.02 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 22:05.35 | vanous123 | badcloud: what doesn't work is the menu on pwr button and lock on aux button |
| 22:05.50 | PaulFertser | vanous123: have you tried to bind them somehow with xmodmap? |
| 22:05.55 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: yeah, after Tig| told me how to get forwarding working in ubuntu (the wiki was wrong) |
| 22:06.07 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: cool :) |
| 22:06.13 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: well, i would have to reflash an older image to see to what it should be bind to |
| 22:06.27 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: but I'm on hackable1 now and it isn't satisfying so I'm gonna try some other distros |
| 22:06.31 | badcloud | power management is clinging on to dear life |
| 22:06.32 | Tig| | the whole ubuntu bit in the wiki needs ripping out or fixing |
| 22:06.36 | badcloud | won't quit |
| 22:06.45 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i can probably do some tests for you on my running Debian. |
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| 22:07.03 | vanous123 | xmodmap -pke | grep 'keycode 177' gives me keycode 177 = |
| 22:07.19 | badcloud | and for some reason scumm won't install |
| 22:07.24 | PaulFertser | vanous123: same for me. Are you sure that's wrong? |
| 22:07.25 | badcloud | md5sum error |
| 22:07.30 | badcloud | even after opkg update |
| 22:08.12 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: not, just looking at the scumm rebinding script i presume there should be something there... |
| 22:08.56 | badcloud | ? |
| 22:09.15 | Dave | naughtycloud :P |
| 22:09.36 | badcloud | yes, million-dolla-Dave? |
| 22:10.03 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i think i'll find it in openmoko-panel-plugin source then |
| 22:10.15 | Dave | ;D |
| 22:10.53 | PaulFertser | vanous123: ha, it reads from events directly :) |
| 22:10.53 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: that would be faster than me reflashing today again |
| 22:10.56 | Tig| | I thought it was over-a-dozen-mokos-Dave |
| 22:11.13 | badcloud | right. the million dollars are in therapy |
| 22:11.32 | Dave | :DD |
| 22:11.33 | PaulFertser | vanous123: no, it uses frameworkd to supply that info about buttons |
| 22:11.52 | Dave | ja... jeg er gærn :p |
| 22:12.14 | badcloud | heh |
| 22:12.26 | vanous123 | hmm |
| 22:12.26 | Dave | moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko |
| 22:12.31 | Dave | @_@ |
| 22:12.34 | Dave | THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! |
| 22:12.48 | badcloud | DAMMIT. minimo won't install |
| 22:13.01 | badcloud | gtk+-fastscaling |
| 22:13.32 | Dave | :[ |
| 22:13.51 | badcloud | the good times are OVER |
| 22:14.01 | Dave | They are? |
| 22:14.36 | Tig| | Dave : moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko MOBILE MOBILE moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko MOBILE MOBILE - Eeek its a BUZZ ohhhh its a BUZZ with a moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko ... |
| 22:14.46 | Dave | :DDDD |
| 22:14.52 | Dave | Exactly! |
| 22:15.03 | badcloud | Dave, no minimo and scumm make badcloud a dull boy |
| 22:15.41 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: so the buttons do not work under debian? |
| 22:16.08 | Tig| | arsebadgers I missed the apostrophe from it's |
| 22:16.35 | vanous123 | badcloud: on shr? |
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| 22:17.34 | PaulFertser | vanous123: they work but i don't run E |
| 22:17.49 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: ok |
| 22:18.20 | badcloud | shr unstable, yes |
| 22:18.38 | vanous123 | badcloud: how about opkg install -force-depends minimo |
| 22:19.24 | badcloud | -50512 |
| 22:20.15 | vanous123 | i see, i get the same now |
| 22:20.23 | badcloud | I'm trying locally |
| 22:20.45 | vanous123 | badcloud: minimo is not in the feeds |
| 22:20.53 | badcloud | nope, locally doesn't work |
| 22:20.57 | badcloud | crAP |
| 22:21.11 | vanous123 | badcloud: what's missing? |
| 22:21.39 | badcloud | gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) |
| 22:22.19 | vanous123 | badcloud: fastscaling is not in shr therefore the -force-depends should help |
| 22:22.31 | badcloud | that did not work |
| 22:22.39 | vanous123 | badcloud: hmm |
| 22:22.43 | badcloud | I got an -50512 error |
| 22:22.54 | badcloud | wait |
| 22:24.27 | badcloud | arrrrrrrrrrrrrg |
| 22:24.40 | badcloud | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/s5CHUD |
| 22:24.49 | badcloud | gave me the same lip that scummvm did |
| 22:26.22 | vanous123 | badcloud: hmm |
| 22:26.25 | PaulFertser | vanous123: can you try to assign any keysym, F13 e.g.? xmodmap -e 'keycode 177 = F13' |
| 22:26.40 | PaulFertser | vanous123: after that i see it properly in xev. |
| 22:27.19 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: assigned OK, can read it back with xmodemap and am just install xev |
| 22:28.41 | PaulFertser | Dave, what distro are you running atm? |
| 22:28.45 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i pressume after running xev and pressing the key i should see some output? |
| 22:28.52 | PaulFertser | vanous123: yes |
| 22:29.01 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: no luck |
| 22:29.20 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: perhaps issue in X? |
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| 22:30.00 | PaulFertser | vanous123: hm, raster once said that's frameworkd stealing keypresses, but it doesn't do that on my FR. |
| 22:30.20 | PaulFertser | vanous123: so, you see absolutely nothing in xev after you press AUX? strange... |
| 22:30.41 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i can see fw reporting the presses ok |
| 22:31.56 | PaulFertser | vanous123: you can try to stop the framework and restart X, does it make sense? |
| 22:32.02 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i tried flashing shr Jan 18, all worked, then saved some conf files and run upgrade. restarting E didn't break it but upon fr restart keys stopped working |
| 22:32.19 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: makes sense, hold on a moment |
| 22:33.54 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: no help |
| 22:34.19 | PaulFertser | vanous123: here's what raster written Nov 6: "nothing to do with e or illume. on the fso images right now x itself doesnt see aux or power as keys so nothing gets an event." |
| 22:34.44 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: but as i say, framework reported the presses so it could see it |
| 22:34.57 | PaulFertser | vanous123: funny thing is that X doesn't see it. |
| 22:35.00 | ajuonline | which distro, i can use for using the FR as a normal phone? |
| 22:35.16 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: yes, strange |
| 22:36.03 | PaulFertser | vanous123: on my FR i see AUX presses even with NULL keysym, so there's another problem somewhere... |
| 22:36.49 | PaulFertser | vanous123: what command line for X "ps ax |grep X" shows? |
| 22:37.19 | badcloud | ajuonline, try fso or shr |
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| 22:37.35 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i just tried running just Xglamo and Xfbdev and still nothing |
| 22:37.42 | ajuonline | badcloud: i have fso installed. |
| 22:37.49 | badcloud | so try shr |
| 22:38.03 | PaulFertser | vanous123: without frameworkd running? curious. I can't see what can be wrong here :) |
| 22:38.20 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: yes, framework is stopped |
| 22:38.26 | PaulFertser | vanous123: what if you use -use-evdev switch for X |
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| 22:40.08 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: still no report |
| 22:40.18 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: xev requires any params? |
| 22:41.12 | PaulFertser | vanous123: no, it just opens a window and outputs all the events sent to that window. |
| 22:41.25 | PaulFertser | vanous123: try it on your desktop/laptop |
| 22:41.36 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: good idea :) |
| 22:42.49 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: back on my fr i can see something |
| 22:43.03 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: xev was not getting focus |
| 22:43.08 | PaulFertser | vanous123: hah |
| 22:43.31 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i should have told you to ensure that :) |
| 22:43.45 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: my fault :ú |
| 22:44.04 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: could see something was wrong on my debian, that helped |
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| 22:44.37 | PaulFertser | vanous123: so, you know have the event? |
| 22:45.22 | PaulFertser | s/know/now/ :) |
| 22:45.28 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: under Xglamo yes, under /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start no |
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| 22:45.42 | PaulFertser | vanous123: a clue! Go on, don't stop ;) |
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| 22:46.40 | PaulFertser | vanous123: check with ps ax |grep X what command line nodm ends up with. |
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| 22:48.43 | PaulFertser | vanous123: and i guess that E doesn't care about which keysym AUX uses, it cares only about #177, so xmodmap is not necessary probably. |
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| 22:49.34 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: had to find some pastebin: http://www.pastebin.cz/15078 |
| 22:51.43 | PaulFertser | vanous123: what if you comment out E in Xsession and start a terminal instead? |
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| 22:54.19 | PaulFertser | vanous123: can it be possible that it's vt1 that makes a difference? Can you try to start Xglamo alone with vt1 and check? |
| 22:54.42 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: what's vt1? |
| 22:55.06 | PaulFertser | vanous123: that's parameter to Xglamo that says which virtual terminal it should use. |
| 22:55.18 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i see |
| 22:56.10 | kd8ikt | virtual terminal? |
| 22:56.41 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: you deserve some beer here :) |
| 22:57.02 | PaulFertser | vanous123: really? |
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| 22:58.34 | vanous123 | well, upon adding vt1 to Xglamo the events are no longer registered |
| 22:58.47 | PaulFertser | vanous123: what if you add vt4 as done in Debian? |
| 22:59.51 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: tried erasing vt1 but didnt help, vt4 doesn't help either, but i still have remapped 117 key perhaps? |
| 23:00.07 | PaulFertser | vanous123: no, it doesn't survive X restart |
| 23:00.28 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: perhaps i edited wrong line, let me check |
| 23:00.57 | lpotter | since when is qtopia locked down? thats silly statement |
| 23:02.44 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i am editing wrong line but cannot find the right one (it does say gta02 though) |
| 23:03.44 | vanous123 | found it |
| 23:03.51 | vanous123 | 1 line lower :) |
| 23:04.34 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: two beers i say, two :) fixed, menu is back :) |
| 23:05.52 | PaulFertser | vanous123: thanks a lot for your testing :) |
| 23:06.23 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: well, thanks for the guiding :) |
| 23:07.07 | PaulFertser | vanous123: so, where's my beer? ;) |
| 23:07.21 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: :) where about are you now? :) |
| 23:07.44 | PaulFertser | vanous123: West side of Moscow ;) |
| 23:08.13 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: Moscow, RU ? |
| 23:08.18 | Digital_Pioneer | slides a beer down the bar to PaulFertser. |
| 23:08.43 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: Thank you :) |
| 23:08.48 | PaulFertser | vanous123: yes |
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| 23:09.06 | PaulFertser | ~beer Digital_Pioneer |
| 23:09.07 | apt | ACTION pulls out a exquisite Jever for Digital_Pioneer |
| 23:09.33 | Digital_Pioneer | No thanks, I don't drink. :P |
| 23:09.36 | PaulFertser | ~beer PaulFertser |
| 23:09.37 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine La Maudite for PaulFertser |
| 23:09.43 | PaulFertser | ~beer vanous123 |
| 23:09.43 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for vanous123 |
| 23:09.44 | vanous123 | will have a coworker traveling from Moscow to CZ and back next week :) |
| 23:10.20 | Tig| | goes to the fridge for beer as reception is patch here |
| 23:10.38 | PaulFertser | vanous123: you should have some decent beer there in CZ, lucky you :) |
| 23:10.48 | vanous123 | sees only milk is left in the fridge |
| 23:11.06 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i guess we do, i am hardly an expert |
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| 23:12.24 | PaulFertser | lpotter: qtopia is locked down in terms of openness of development. It was even forked because of that, as far as i heard. |
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| 23:12.39 | PaulFertser | lpotter: (the original remark was not mine) |
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| 23:13.31 | badcloud | can't connect to dbus? no GSM |
| 23:13.35 | badcloud | arg to hell |
| 23:15.38 | Dave | :p |
| 23:17.08 | badcloud | any ideas? |
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| 23:19.07 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: are you eXe? |
| 23:26.07 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: eXe? |
| 23:26.20 | lpotter | PaulFertser: every customer of qtopia/qtextended in essence has a fork of it. thats what it is designed for. |
| 23:26.21 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: straight edge. |
| 23:26.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that's what it meant... :P |
| 23:26.51 | PaulFertser | lpotter: yes, but that's not how usually healthy free software projects work. |
| 23:27.46 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, I suppose you could say that, thought I have no official affiliation with it. |
| 23:27.49 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: you don't drink. And alcohol is the most popular recreational drug. I guessed you're anti-drug. Remembered about eXe. That's logic ;) |
| 23:28.10 | lpotter | i think every oss project has some level of closedness |
| 23:28.19 | lpotter | OM included |
| 23:28.43 | Digital_Pioneer | People say exe and the first thing I think is windoze executable. After that, I wonder why an OS is stupid enough to depend on an extension to know filetypes. |
| 23:29.09 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 23:29.46 | lpotter | because then it oesnt have to open and read the header of the file to know what to do with it |
| 23:29.46 | PaulFertser | lpotter: OM is the weirdest project i've seen for a long time :) |
| 23:29.57 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I don't drink because I'm underage. I don't get drunk because it's stupid. :P As to tobacco and drugs, see drunkenness. ;) |
| 23:30.06 | Dave | right |
| 23:30.22 | Dave | good shit |
| 23:30.28 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: how "underage" related to not drinking really? You can get fake ID. |
| 23:30.43 | Dave | person->setId() ? :P |
| 23:31.04 | lpotter | getting drunk isnt stupid. its just that many people who get drunk are stupid |
| 23:31.23 | Dave | AHA |
| 23:31.26 | Dave | just like FLASH |
| 23:31.33 | Dave | OR social networking! |
| 23:31.35 | Dave | :D:D:D:D:D:D |
| 23:31.44 | Dave | perfect analogs ftw |
| 23:31.45 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I suppose I could, though I won't have any idea where to go for one. :P Aside from that, if I drink, I get kicked out of my private college. :P |
| 23:31.51 | kd8ikt | DAVE |
| 23:31.54 | Digital_Pioneer | s/won't/wouldn't/ |
| 23:31.59 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: oh shit |
| 23:32.10 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 23:32.15 | kd8ikt | electric preist |
| 23:33.07 | zedstar_ | talking of drink openmoko pub meet this wednesday in london everyone welcome! |
| 23:33.26 | walker | Hey. Anyone build SHR-unstable? when trying to install e-wm it is missing e-wm-utils, which i can't find anywhere? |
| 23:33.36 | Digital_Pioneer | s/\/won't\/wouldn't\//\/s\/wouldn't\/won't\// |
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| 23:33.53 | mwester | syntax error. |
| 23:34.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I see one, but it shouldn't make it not work at all... |
| 23:34.52 | Digital_Pioneer | s/\/won't\/wouldn't\//s\/wouldn't\/won't\// |
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| 23:34.57 | PaulFertser | lpotter: seriously, i think that qtopia's license traditions are "unethical" but i don't think that all the developers who work on qtopia are unethical. Anyway, qtopia is not what geeks love. Look around, i don't know geeks who love qtopia/opie. |
| 23:34.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh, oh well, who cares. |
| 23:36.11 | PaulFertser | panicking: Hey :) are you still going to write a GSM ril from scratch? Are you tired of void promises to open it "really soon"? |
| 23:36.32 | panicking | I'm not tired |
| 23:36.48 | panicking | just is the weekend and I'm on european project |
| 23:36.51 | panicking | with a deadline |
| 23:37.01 | panicking | and I'm unhappy |
| 23:37.11 | panicking | today |
| 23:37.12 | panicking | :( |
| 23:37.20 | Dave | heehee |
| 23:37.21 | mwester | still thinks qt extended is the closest thing to a working phone available for the gta0x devices. |
| 23:37.30 | panicking | well the first run without the mux |
| 23:37.31 | Dave | Welcome to the club, Panick :P |
| 23:37.35 | panicking | go in one shot |
| 23:37.46 | panicking | So it is not so hard |
| 23:38.19 | kd8ikt | heh dont trash on qt mwester will come at night and find you |
| 23:38.21 | panicking | I think that if the source is open, we can fix bug |
| 23:38.27 | mwester | in theory it is not hard -- in practice, the broken calypso makes the driver difficult indeed. |
| 23:38.34 | mwester | (many layering violations) |
| 23:38.49 | Dave | ruuuuuuuuut roooooooooh D: |
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| 23:39.50 | Dave | Virus. |
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| 23:47.08 | lpotter | gpl is unethical? |
| 23:47.59 | PaulFertser | lpotter: asking for BSD patches is unethical while you give only GPL back. |
| 23:48.25 | PaulFertser | lpotter: that's not how and why free software works |
| 23:48.57 | PaulFertser | lpotter: i understand "business reasons" etc. But it's not how free software works. |
| 23:49.12 | lpotter | there are many ways that free software works |
| 23:50.23 | ronny | thats why i dont exactly do free software |
| 23:50.35 | PaulFertser | lpotter: but you want from you contributors to give you more freedom than you give them back. That's obviously unfair (here i mean you, Trolltech/Nokia, not you personally) |
| 23:50.41 | ronny | i do open source software, and i want it to stay that way |
| 23:50.58 | mwester | PaulFertser: so does a bank. |
| 23:51.10 | PaulFertser | mwester: who said i like banks? ;) |
| 23:51.20 | mwester | ah, one of THOSE. |
| 23:51.38 | PaulFertser | mwester: crazy communist from communist Russia, yes :) |
| 23:52.00 | mwester | nah, communism has proven to be nothing at all like that. |
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| 23:53.20 | PaulFertser | mwester: sure, that's a joke. Seriously, i don't like anything money-driven. Money is a fake target, they don't make people happy. I'm anti-consumerism, i think it's plain senseless. |
| 23:53.52 | lpotter | maney is just a form of trading |
| 23:53.56 | lpotter | money that is |
| 23:54.28 | lpotter | a uniform specification for trading |
| 23:54.35 | PaulFertser | lpotter: but trading is pointless. Everything is inside your head. Already. |
| 23:54.35 | mwester | PaulFertser: and I'm a pragmatic. I may wish for a utopian society, where everyone gives for free and lives in harmony, but I realize that humans are basically self-serving, and no system that ignores that can really work for very long. That applies to software development too. |
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| 23:55.33 | mwester | The ultimate result of the "free everything" sort of software viewpoint is that there will be no more software, except as a hobby or an artform. |
| 23:55.55 | PaulFertser | mwester: That'd be cool imo |
| 23:56.00 | mwester | But anyway, I'm not up for a philosophical discussion. |
| 23:56.07 | mwester | I'm much more practical than that. |
| 23:56.34 | mwester | lpotter: licenses aside, have there been any developments with QT extended since late January (updates have stopped on the ftp site)? |
| 23:57.06 | lpotter | true |
| 23:57.10 | PaulFertser | Look what money did to the art? To movies, to books, to music? Money-driven pop-art everywhere. Pointless and empty. |
| 23:57.50 | mwester | points Paul to the history books, where he will find that there really is no art that somebody didn't commission or pay for in some form. |
