| 00:00.09 | trains | no, u-boot |
| 00:00.10 | trains | i searched the list |
| 00:00.26 | trains | didn't find anything |
| 00:01.48 | mickeyl | no experience with booting from SD here |
| 00:02.24 | lindi- | trains: pass the rw boot option? |
| 00:02.55 | trains | lindi-: I don't know what that is |
| 00:03.25 | trains | from the uboot menu i choose the option "Boot from microSD" |
| 00:03.39 | vanous123 | trains: easy in qi, see the list |
| 00:03.51 | lindi- | trains: what does the menu entry do for you? |
| 00:04.22 | trains | it boots from SD, but the root filesystem is read-only |
| 00:04.31 | lindi- | trains: "rw" is linux boot option that makes it mount root as read-write |
| 00:05.05 | lindi- | trains: the default is read-only |
| 00:05.43 | trains | ok. should i change uboot or change to Qi? is Qi stable? |
| 00:05.43 | lindi- | however, i'm sure init is supposed to start processes that remount / as read-write |
| 00:05.53 | lindi- | trains: configure uboot |
| 00:06.21 | lindi- | trains: (i mean, no need to change uboot versions) |
| 00:06.21 | trains | if i update uboot to a newer version will this problem be fixed? |
| 00:06.30 | lindi- | trains: no, you need to configure it, not upgrade |
| 00:06.43 | vanous123 | :) you need to edit boot environment |
| 00:07.30 | trains | i need to use neocon, right? |
| 00:08.00 | lindi- | i don't know what that is |
| 00:08.06 | trains | :S |
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| 00:08.44 | trains | ok, how do i change boot enviroment? |
| 00:09.03 | lindi- | i use http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/configure-uboot |
| 00:11.00 | trains | do i need to run that from OM? |
| 00:12.16 | vanous123 | lindi-: is it missing the defaukt boot from nand option? |
| 00:12.37 | vanous123 | lindi-: now i see, menu_1 |
| 00:13.41 | walker | Man! Illume has gotting pretty and nice!! |
| 00:14.02 | trains | so, what's the diference between FSO M5 and the older versions that makes this version have this problem? |
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| 00:17.32 | moocowmason | can anyone tell me a rootfs kernel and uboot that they know work with qemu I am having mixed results. gta01bv4-u-boot.bin fails, u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin hangs after it sets system time |
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| 00:18.03 | trains | is anyone using FSO milestone 5 for daily use? |
| 00:19.03 | bove2 | trains: is FSO enough for daily use? |
| 00:19.38 | trains | bove2: i don't know, i still trying to boot it for the first time |
| 00:20.44 | trains | i flashed it to neo instead of using the SD card, it's booting, let's see |
| 00:20.52 | eolson | bove2, FSO 4 was good for daily use for me. don't know if FSO 5 has any bugs at release |
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| 00:21.51 | bove2 | ok. eager to hear. I'm desperately trying to use my freerunner fulltime after my Nokia got nicked a few days ago. I've tried QTextended, SHR and Android, but QT seems to be the only of them actually working |
| 00:22.15 | bove2 | so if FSO has a dialer, alarm clock, sms support and an address book? |
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| 00:23.55 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd360d2223003 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: do not send capacity changes for AC adapters |
| 00:23.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r90f86605dd21 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: fso-actions: don't break if preferences daemon doesn't run |
| 00:23.57 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r27af421b10fa 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: cli-framework: add omuxerd |
| 00:24.14 | muhxe | omuxerd ;) |
| 00:24.52 | trains | I'm booting FSO for the first time at the moment. There's a "funny" setup screen called "IBar Quick Launch" where i can choose from a list of applications. But, if it is the first time i boot, how can i know what applications i want?!? :) |
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| 00:25.26 | eolson | bove2, alarm clock is new, so I don't know if there's a UI for it (maybe?), but dialer, sms, and SIM contacts worked in FSO4 -- I don't send too many sms, but it worked for my use. |
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| 00:26.52 | Simon1 | Has anyone got FSO Milestone 5 working on their GTA2? I tried both fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and fso-illume-image-om-gta02.jffs2, but X never start on either of them... |
| 00:26.57 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0c792fa0348e 10/ChangeLog: mention ms5 |
| 00:27.08 | mickeyl | runs fine here |
| 00:27.23 | mickeyl | any special bootloader or kernels? |
| 00:27.23 | trains | Simon1: are you trying to boot from SD card? |
| 00:27.34 | bove2 | trains: could you please check for a alarm clock GUI? Thats almost more important for me than a dialer:P |
| 00:27.40 | Simon1 | trains: Nop. |
| 00:28.24 | trains | bove2: i'm booting for the second time because zhone freezed with message connecting to bus... |
| 00:28.36 | bove2 | ... |
| 00:29.12 | trains | bove2: i can tell you that the home screen (the one with the launchers) is scary |
| 00:31.33 | eolson | scary? :) now I want to flash it to see what you mean :) |
| 00:33.04 | trains | the looks is scary, lots of strange colored icons and you can't read most of the names under the icons |
| 00:33.27 | bove2 | do you guys see any speed difference between running distros internaly or on sd cards? |
| 00:33.51 | Simon1 | OK; got it to work (FSO Milestone 5) by booting with uBoot from NOR instead of Qi |
| 00:35.17 | bove2 | I'm currently running all distros but 2008.12 from SD cards, but I'm starting to think FSO should be the one on internal |
| 00:37.40 | Simon1 | Now, booting from Qi works fine. I guess uBoot did some permanent work... |
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| 00:39.30 | trains | bove2: i'm sorry to disapoint you, but FSO is not a good choice, IMHO, of course |
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| 00:41.22 | bove2 | as I understand, SHR will probably be the first stable distro built on fso, right? |
| 00:42.17 | trains | i'm not sure, but i think so |
| 00:42.31 | trains | i'll be trying SHR next |
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| 00:44.24 | mwester | Simon1: Yes, that's a known problem - the latest images all require that your rootfs be mounted read-write for at least one boot; the standard u-boot specifies read-only. So once you have booted sucessfully, it's ok from there forward. |
| 00:44.26 | bove2 | I had some problems with SHR earlier today. Using the latest prebuilt package, it never mounted rootfs as rw, so things wouldnt start at all. |
| 00:45.10 | mwester | mutters something about how simple this would have been to fix, if someone wanted to... |
| 00:46.10 | mickeyl | mwester: where does that problem come from? new initscripts? |
| 00:46.20 | mickeyl | did not see that here on my 02 |
| 00:46.24 | mwester | Yes, the latest udev. |
| 00:46.28 | mickeyl | ah |
| 00:46.33 | mickeyl | how can we fix that? |
| 00:47.37 | mwester | On first boot, it creates the tarball of /dev. We can fix it by letting it silently fail and continuing (albeit with slower boots), or we can split that part of the udev init script so that the tarball is created after the rootfs is remounted rw. |
| 00:48.03 | mwester | The first option is probably really easy, and would suffice for the short term, I suspect. |
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| 00:49.44 | mickeyl | hmm, sounds good |
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| 00:52.06 | bove2 | nwester: If I understand you correctly - trying to boot a fso from yesterday WILL fail with uBoot now? |
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| 00:52.34 | trains | yes, that's exactly the problem i had |
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| 00:53.08 | mwester | bove2: No, it's much more complicated than that -- you need to have the right or wrong options in your boot in u-boot. So it works for some, and not for others, depending on their u-boot env. |
| 00:53.50 | bove2 | so if one specifies rw as default uboot mount mode? |
| 00:54.19 | mwester | bove2: then you should be fine. |
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| 01:37.49 | metalx2000 | I want to add my own function to the button, but first I have to stop it from locking the screen when I press it. |
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| 03:51.26 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer |
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| 05:42.38 | orzo | and matchbox-keyboard |
| 05:42.40 | raster | hides |
| 05:42.42 | orzo | but i dont like it |
| 05:42.47 | orzo | i want to use xvkbd |
| 05:42.48 | raster | taunts |
| 05:42.55 | raster | hides again |
| 05:43.10 | orzo | but xvkbd is being treated like a normal ap by matchbox |
| 05:43.15 | orzo | its taking up the whole screen |
| 05:43.25 | orzo | anybody know off hand how to tell it not to do that? |
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| 08:22.21 | shyam_k | did anyone try pocketsphinx on openmoko? |
| 08:22.55 | shyam_k | may get some time this sunday with my sir's openmoko.. planning to have a try out.. |
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| 08:23.24 | shyam_k | its not a free runner though.. |
| 08:25.23 | shyam_k | have tried it in ngw100 and it works quite nicely in that platfom.. |
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| 08:25.35 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:25.43 | shyam_k | Hopscotch: good morning |
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| 08:54.10 | shyam_k | would like to do something on openmoko, regarding the speech recognition part.. is last years guys saurabh around here? |
| 08:54.28 | shyam_k | i mean last year there was a summer of code project on this.. |
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| 09:03.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * ra63f81e4c691 10/vapi/posixextra.vapi: wrap all of termios |
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| 09:18.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rac982d714c0e 10/ (src/multiplexer.vala vapi/posixextra.vapi): start properly configuring the serial port |
| 09:18.57 | ColdFyre | is there no messages app in FSO milestone 5..? |
| 09:19.08 | laen | There is, it just doesn't work. |
| 09:19.25 | ColdFyre | hah, is there one i cna replace it with? |
| 09:19.37 | ColdFyre | or a way to send/rec messages |
| 09:19.50 | PaulFertser | laen: SMS messaging doesn't work with FSO ms5 for you? |
| 09:20.07 | laen | Well, the only app imho which does work, is the "demo" app Zhone :P |
| 09:20.17 | PaulFertser | Sure, Zhone works with messages. |
| 09:20.32 | laen | But it's all crap. |
| 09:20.37 | PaulFertser | I'm able to send/receive sms's with it. |
| 09:20.55 | PaulFertser | laen: it's not crap, is app for testing framework! |
| 09:21.17 | laen | No Zhone's not crap.. Zhone works on other platforms too since it's python. |
| 09:21.42 | laen | No the other stuff thats beeing made is complete crap, cause it's beeing made just for the FSO/SHR shit. |
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| 09:22.02 | ColdFyre | so how can i send /recieve messages with or without zhone in ms5? |
| 09:22.05 | laen | I want a phone app to work on whatever distro i put on the thing, not just the "openmoko distro's". |
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| 09:22.26 | laen | ColdFyre: install zhone? Wasn't zhone installed on ms5 btw? |
| 09:22.57 | laen | iirc from yesterday (installed ms5 yesterday), zhone starts up by default |
| 09:23.18 | ColdFyre | zhone is installed. the messages icon is grayed out |
| 09:23.36 | laen | So PaulFertser, what i think is crap is that they call Zhone a testing/demo app, while it's currently the best there is. |
| 09:23.40 | laen | Mmmm, thats weird. |
| 09:23.52 | laen | Could you restart zhone maybe? |
| 09:23.57 | ColdFyre | when i get sms messages, the phone makes a noise, but there is no other notification |
| 09:24.00 | PaulFertser | ColdFyre: that means the SIM is not ready for whatever reason |
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| 09:24.20 | laen | Ah ColdFyre that happens with Zhone indeed. Zhone restart mostly works for the new messages :p |
| 09:24.26 | ColdFyre | but i can call out fine and get calls, and it sees the contacts on my sim |
| 09:24.30 | PaulFertser | ColdFyre: probably you missed the "sim is ready" signal because the phone was suspended. |
| 09:24.38 | ColdFyre | i have restated twice |
| 09:24.51 | PaulFertser | ColdFyre: restart zhone and wait. If it doesnt' work, post ogsmd debug logs. |
| 09:25.11 | ColdFyre | okie |
| 09:25.47 | laen | Yeah cause if it doesn't work then (after a minute or 3 max), your SIM isn't supported that well it seems.. then your logs are helpfull. |
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| 09:28.03 | ColdFyre | damn, my luck :( |
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| 09:29.12 | laen | ColdLuck |
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| 09:50.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r8e3160079a81 10/ (src/multiplexer.vala vapi/posixextra.vapi): more complete serial configuration + mapping in posixextra |
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| 10:08.48 | soul9 | hi |
| 10:08.56 | soul9 | how does one enable the gps device in the kernel? |
| 10:09.04 | soul9 | and suspend? |
| 10:09.30 | henk | echo 1 >/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 10:09.41 | henk | suspend: apm -s |
| 10:11.00 | soul9 | henk: yes, but i don't have that device :-( |
| 10:11.12 | henk | soul9: are you running 2.6.28? |
| 10:11.19 | henk | or anything newer than 2.6.24? |
| 10:11.25 | soul9 | henk: it's a custom image, so i guess i didn't enable something in the kernel config |
| 10:11.35 | soul9 | henk: yeap, andy-tracking custom |
| 10:11.47 | henk | try find /sys -iname "*gps*" |
| 10:12.24 | soul9 | k |
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| 10:14.42 | soul9 | darn, usb networking doesn't seem to work :-( |
| 10:15.59 | soul9 | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0 seems to be it, i'll try echoing to it |
| 10:16.29 | soul9 | yeap, i think it's /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on |
| 10:16.35 | henk | :) |
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| 10:18.30 | soul9 | thanks, henk |
| 10:18.36 | henk | np |
| 10:19.03 | soul9 | wonders why apm -s doesn't work.. |
| 10:19.05 | soul9 | debian-gta02:~# apm -s |
| 10:19.05 | soul9 | apm: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 10:22.30 | gfather | phello guys |
| 10:23.16 | soul9 | fhello, gfather |
| 10:23.23 | gfather | soul9 hay m8 |
| 10:23.25 | gfather | wassup |
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| 10:23.50 | henk | soul9: tried with -v? |
| 10:23.56 | gfather | well i have a nice topic we can chat about |
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| 10:24.55 | gfather | why dont have the om , be a lowlevel stable linux , and the high level be a framework that we could work on |
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| 10:26.42 | gfather | all application are totally Linux and can be ported easily has allot of cons to |
| 10:27.04 | henk | what are you talking about? |
| 10:27.50 | gfather | henk me ? |
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| 10:29.42 | henk | gfather: yes... there _is_ a linux at the lowlevel and above that a framework... |
| 10:30.13 | gfather | henk whats the framework |
| 10:30.14 | gfather | ? |
| 10:30.21 | henk | fso |
| 10:30.33 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 10:31.01 | gfather | hmm , but agian , cant i just port any app to fso ? |
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| 10:31.51 | henk | what do you mean by 'to fso'? fso is not an operating system. the operating system is linux and the arch is armel. that's all that counts. |
| 10:35.02 | gfather | what i mean something like android , similar in the idea, but totally open by the community |
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| 10:35.35 | gfather | is that the same thing ? |
| 10:35.51 | henk | something like android? i don't know android, but afaik it's just 'yet another linux distri' |
| 10:36.17 | soul9 | henk: doesn't say anything more than what i allready paster |
| 10:36.20 | soul9 | pasted* |
| 10:36.42 | henk | soul9: hm strange... perhaps this is done by frameworkd now? |
| 10:36.52 | soul9 | :-/ |
| 10:36.56 | soul9 | that would suck tho |
| 10:37.15 | soul9 | why would frameworkd do the work of a very well tested app like apm |
| 10:37.18 | soul9 | ? |
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| 10:39.09 | gfather | henk android in linux with java framework , its lighter , stabel , and has some advantages in some areas |
| 10:40.23 | gfather | im not syaing that om is bad , but its very heavy , and not optimized because , its basically a big distro |
| 10:40.34 | henk | java... lighter... right... |
| 10:40.55 | gfather | and it seems im not explaining right what i have in my mind :) , lost in translation |
| 10:41.00 | henk | hehe |
| 10:41.23 | gfather | ill leave the subject then :), hehe |
| 10:41.42 | soul9 | gfather: java? good? fast? for embedded? |
| 10:41.54 | soul9 | hmm, i don't know...i think apps in c are much better suited |
| 10:42.01 | henk | the topic is perhaps better suited for #openmoko-cdevel... |
| 10:42.12 | gfather | i didnt say java is better for us |
| 10:42.18 | gfather | i said a framework |
| 10:42.24 | soul9 | (python i'm not really into, i think the mem. consumption is even worst than java, which is a big deal) |
| 10:42.38 | soul9 | gfather: ah, you mean the framework of android is better? |
| 10:42.48 | gfather | wether android uses java framework on not , i didnt ment to say that we should use java , i hope u understand me |
| 10:43.13 | soul9 | ok, so what did you mean about android? :-) |
| 10:43.15 | henk | gfather: the next Om releases are going to use fso. |
| 10:43.26 | gfather | i see , that , well that what i mean |
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| 10:43.44 | gfather | om is not progressing right becosue its basicly a distro |
| 10:43.52 | gfather | what i want to say is |
| 10:44.12 | soul9 | no it isn't |
| 10:44.24 | soul9 | there are several distros that use either om, or fso, or both |
| 10:44.32 | gfather | that developers should release a small distro that have basic function only , and a framewrok with sdk so the comunity can develop using the sdk |
| 10:44.44 | gfather | but in the same time , the distro is open for fixes |
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| 10:45.16 | henk | gfather: fso is meant for developing... |
| 10:45.24 | gfather | but its mainlly stable , and the comunity should be more into the sdk , developing stuff for that framewrok , not developing for the distro |
| 10:45.38 | henk | soul9: om is a distro... |
| 10:46.01 | gfather | henk . yes , that is near to what i have in mind , |
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| 10:49.43 | gfather | henk tell fso to get bidi support :) |
| 10:49.54 | henk | hehe |
| 10:50.08 | gfather | hehe |
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| 10:50.39 | gfather | well in any case , when it gets the bidi support , ill do the localization |
| 10:50.48 | soul9 | henk: not really, i have all the openmoko apps in debian/hackable1 |
| 10:50.59 | soul9 | gfather: try hackable1 ;-) |
| 10:51.07 | henk | i just wanted to say: try debian. |
| 10:51.16 | henk | i'd rather try debian than h1... |
| 10:51.34 | gfather | henk i have debian , too much big for me |
| 10:51.35 | soul9 | i want to make a binary distro based on gentoo-embedded, but goddamned auto-crap and libtool-hell is making it pretty impossible with the limited time i have |
| 10:52.01 | soul9 | henk: well, h1 is a good way to get a working debian up quickly |
| 10:52.05 | gfather | soul9 start the project , and ull see poeple help , right |
| 10:52.54 | henk | soul9: perhaps... i am more the DIY guy in regards to setting such stuff up... and releasing a tarball with files in lost+found/ is bad style imho, so i don't really like h1 ;) |
| 10:52.56 | soul9 | gfather: i already have, if you want i can give you access rights or something, but right now i'm blocked at libgmp not wanting to compile because of fscking libtool |
| 10:53.41 | soul9 | henk: yes, there is definitely a lot of stuff that isn't right in h1, but one thing i like is that debian is easier for most foss devels than having to learn opkg, and the tools related |
| 10:54.41 | soul9 | henk: they also have a lot of packages installed that have no reason to be there |
| 10:54.43 | gfather | soul9 give me some time , and ill join ;) , just need to finnish some stuff in my hand |
| 10:54.49 | soul9 | their x startup script is kind of a hack toto |
| 10:54.53 | soul9 | s/toto/too |
| 10:55.02 | soul9 | gfather: you know gentoo? |
| 10:55.34 | gfather | soul9 not that much :) , but heh you could get any help , right |
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| 10:56.16 | soul9 | sure thing, also cross-devel with gentoo is a sinch |
| 10:56.43 | soul9 | i have armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-emerge |
| 10:57.02 | soul9 | so i just set sysroot, etc. and compile my distro, make binary packages as it goes |
| 10:57.14 | soul9 | and there, a fully optimized openmoko distro |
| 10:57.23 | soul9 | most openmoko and fso stuff is in gentoo-embedded |
| 10:57.41 | soul9 | and making ebuilds is a sinch compared to alomst any other distro's stuff i've seen |
| 10:57.57 | gfather | nice |
| 10:58.15 | soul9 | yep |
| 10:58.50 | soul9 | i'll try again this week-end, maybe the libgmp ebuild'll have a fix, or i can dig into the problem and fix it.. |
| 10:59.06 | soul9 | so if you're interested, i'm on freenode 24/7 ;-) |
| 10:59.27 | sleipnir | soul9: do you also feed back your ebuilds to our overlay? |
| 10:59.38 | gfather | soul9 cools :) |
| 10:59.48 | soul9 | sleipnir: well, when i have a fix, of course |
| 11:00.01 | soul9 | sleipnir: i haven't even been able to compile the base system yet :-( |
| 11:00.13 | soul9 | blocked by libgmp |
| 11:00.36 | sleipnir | soul9: cool! come over to #gentoo-openmoko! |
| 11:01.07 | bove_ | the recent ro bug preventing FSO and SHR from booting with uboot - is that something that can be fixed by just modifying a file in the rootfs, or is it something binary? |
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| 11:02.00 | henk | bove_: when you use qi it can be fixed by a simple textfile... |
| 11:02.15 | henk | bove_: with uboot you have to adjust the boot-env afaik. |
| 11:04.12 | soul9 | sleipnir: HAH |
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| 11:04.33 | soul9 | sleipnir: niceee! |
| 11:05.51 | bove_ | henk: do you know any guides on how to change that in boot-env? |
| 11:06.36 | henk | bove_: i'd use qi... much better software. |
| 11:08.38 | bove_ | hmm.. ok. I'm just a bit sceptic to not having a boot menu. But I guess I can just take out the SD card if I need to boot NAND |
| 11:09.24 | henk | bove_: you can push aux to skip a boot possibility... |
| 11:09.36 | henk | bove_: you are on the FR right? not neo1973? |
| 11:10.26 | bove_ | freerunner |
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| 11:10.46 | bove_ | so that first menu on my device is not part of uboot? |
| 11:11.29 | bove_ | anyway. lunch time. I'll install Qi tonight. Thanks! |
| 11:12.13 | henk | yes, it is. but you have two uboots. one in nand, one in nor. |
| 11:12.30 | henk | you can't get rid of the one in nor, so qi in uboot is nothin irreversible. |
| 11:12.40 | henk | s/so qi in uboot/so qi in nand/ |
| 11:13.39 | bove_ | ok. So Qi will be kind of a chain loader? |
| 11:14.37 | dns53 | it loads the first kernel it can, first checking the sd card then the device itself |
| 11:15.07 | ccfly | no Qi is a replacement for NAND bootloader which is used when you boot normally (aka power button only) |
| 11:15.25 | ccfly | if you boot wih Aux + Power button you get NOR bootaloder |
| 11:16.55 | gfather | on om , fdisk -l shows nothing ? |
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| 11:17.30 | henk | gfather: give it a device? |
| 11:17.47 | ccfly | fdisk would show only SD card partitions I presume ?! |
| 11:18.19 | gfather | fdisk -l mmcblk0 |
| 11:18.54 | henk | probably the full devicename... as in fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 11:19.38 | gfather | yes full device name |
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| 11:49.28 | gfather | henk init for sd is diffrent of nand ? |
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| 11:51.20 | henk | gfather: init? what do you mean? |
| 11:52.09 | gfather | init.rc |
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| 11:52.40 | gfather | henk init.rc |
| 11:53.36 | henk | still don't know what you want to know... :-/ |
| 11:54.03 | gfather | :) ok ill explain |
| 11:54.10 | gfather | when booting a image from the sd |
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| 11:54.47 | gfather | henk init.rc that was in the image , should be changed to boot from sd , right |
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| 11:55.35 | henk | gfather: oh ok. sorry. i have no idea. |
| 11:56.06 | gfather | oks , i think the only line changed is mount ext3 /dev/root / rw remount |
| 11:56.12 | gfather | not sure though |
| 11:56.20 | gfather | guys anyone can help ? |
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| 11:57.41 | gfather | no ? :( |
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| 12:02.23 | gfather | henk if i want to boot sd prtition 3 , with qi , after i press boot, should i keep pressing aux or what ? |
| 12:03.06 | henk | no |
| 12:04.43 | gfather | henk what then ? |
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| 12:05.55 | henk | gfather: nothing... the third partition is the first one qi will try to boot. |
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| 12:10.31 | gfather | henk well mine boot p1 first :S |
| 12:10.54 | henk | then p3 is not properly set up... |
| 12:11.08 | henk | does the phone vibrate once when you try to boot? |
| 12:12.42 | CM_work | My gta01 does that |
| 12:13.06 | gfather | yes it vibrates |
| 12:13.13 | gfather | and when i press on aux |
| 12:13.21 | henk | gfather: meaning: it skipped one boot possibility |
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| 12:22.44 | gfather | henk okay lets say i want to boot from p1 |
| 12:22.49 | gfather | what should i press |
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| 12:24.41 | henk | depends on p3 and p2... |
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| 12:25.16 | henk | if there is nothing even close to bootable in p3 and p2 (no kernel e.g.) you don't need to press anything... |
| 12:25.38 | gfather | and if there ? |
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| 12:28.58 | henk | press aux once for each possibility you want to skip. |
| 12:29.05 | poco | any idea on what is going wrong with my bluetooth system? i tried to use org.bluez.Adapter functions but a lot are missing, like SetMode or CreateBonding |
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| 12:36.23 | mickeyl | bluez4 changed API |
| 12:36.45 | mickeyl | [just a random guess] |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r262afc19ac37 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): otapi: document new muxer interface (draft) |
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| 12:48.21 | lindi- | mickeyl: now frameworkd is in a state where 'sudo cli-framework' fails with "Unknown method: ListObjectsByInterface is not a valid method of interface org.freesmartphone.Framework" |
| 12:48.26 | lindi- | mickeyl: any idea how I could debug this? |
| 12:49.02 | mickeyl | ListObjectsByInterface is no longer a method of org.freesmartphone.Framework |
| 12:49.11 | mickeyl | it has been changed to org.freesmartphone.DBus |
| 12:49.20 | mickeyl | as well as the bus name has changed |
| 12:49.21 | lindi- | mickeyl: and and cli-framework in debian does not know this |
| 12:49.23 | mickeyl | and also the serving process |
| 12:49.26 | mickeyl | could be |
| 12:49.31 | mickeyl | should update from HEAD |
| 12:49.59 | mickeyl | and probably also package dbus-hlid |
| 12:50.11 | mickeyl | (which is necessary for this call nowadays) |
| 12:50.34 | lindi- | self.gsm_device_obj = bus.get_object("org.freesmartphone.ogsmd", "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device") |
| 12:50.44 | lindi- | self.gsm_debug_iface = dbus.Interface(self.gsm_device_obj, 'org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug') |
| 12:50.57 | lindi- | self.gsm_debug_iface.DebugCommand("AT%N0187\r\n") |
| 12:51.00 | lindi- | should this work? |
| 12:52.48 | lindi- | it seems to fail with NoReply: Did not receive a reply. |
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| 12:55.50 | lindi- | method call sender=:1.107 -> dest=:1.2 path=/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device; interface=org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug; member=DebugCommand |
| 12:55.53 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.15 | lindi- | mickeyl: is what dbus-monitor shows but I get no reply and frameworkd does not log anything about this |
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| 12:57.54 | mickeyl | yes, that should work |
| 12:58.00 | mickeyl | it does here |
| 12:58.06 | mickeyl | perhaps you forgot the \r\n once |
| 12:58.12 | mickeyl | and then the frameworkd hung |
| 12:58.14 | lindi- | mickeyl: i am sending this automatically |
| 12:58.26 | mickeyl | why, btw? |
| 12:58.33 | lindi- | mickeyl: to get rid of echo |
| 12:58.45 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:58.49 | mickeyl | we send this |
| 12:58.52 | mickeyl | no need to duplicate |
| 12:59.21 | mickeyl | >>> gsmdebug.DebugCommand("AT%N0187\r\n") |
| 12:59.22 | mickeyl | ['EXT: I', 'Both AEC and Noise reduction are active', 'OK'] |
| 12:59.39 | lindi- | mickeyl: yes it works for me if I restart frameworkd now |
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| 12:59.53 | lindi- | mickeyl: point is, frameworkd has gone to a state where it does not answer that anymore and i'd like to know why |
| 13:00.14 | mickeyl | best bet is inspecting the debug log |
| 13:00.44 | lindi- | mickeyl: what should I be looking for? I have strace for gsm0710muxd and frameworkd and also syslog output |
| 13:01.00 | mickeyl | well, frameworkd's debug log |
| 13:01.04 | mickeyl | check for errors |
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| 13:01.30 | mickeyl | check where your command hangs |
| 13:01.41 | lindi- | mickeyl: it does not log anything when I issue that command |
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| 13:02.14 | lindi- | strace shows |
| 13:02.14 | lindi- | 14:27:48.572139 read(6, "l\1\0\1\17\0\0\0\"\0\0\0\216\0\0\0\1\1o\0\36\0\0\0/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device\0\0\6\1s\0\4\0\0\0:1.2\0\0\0\0\2\1s\0\34\0\0\0org.freesmartpho\ |
| 13:02.18 | lindi- | ne.GSM.Debug\0\0\0\0\3\1s\0\f\0\0\0DebugCommand\0\0\0\0\10\1g\0\1s\0\0\7\1s\0\5\0\0\0:1.11\0\0\0\n\0\0\0AT%N0187\r\n\0"..., 2048) = 175 |
| 13:02.40 | mickeyl | seems your logging is broken then |
| 13:02.45 | mickeyl | i get nice logging for that command |
| 13:02.47 | lindi- | mickeyl: it logs other stuff still |
| 13:02.49 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/jhj3Zq28.html |
| 13:02.56 | lindi- | mickeyl: i get that too if i restart frameworkd yes |
| 13:03.02 | lindi- | mickeyl: my point is that after some time this stops working |
| 13:03.11 | lindi- | I'll upload the logs for you to see |
| 13:04.52 | Cervajz | Hello there, is it possible set another theme for GTK apps in SHR? Thanks |
| 13:04.54 | lindi- | mickeyl: http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/debug-stops-working/ |
| 13:05.08 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:05.18 | mickeyl | plus framework logs please |
| 13:05.29 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:05.29 | lindi- | mickeyl: framework logs to syslog |
| 13:05.30 | mickeyl | in syslog |
| 13:05.35 | lindi- | 4M circular buffer |
| 13:05.54 | lindi- | hmm, only 2M |
| 13:05.55 | mickeyl | so at which timecode is it no longer responding? |
| 13:06.23 | lindi- | mickeyl: 14:26:04.679715 of today |
| 13:06.35 | lindi- | mickeyl: is when I sent that command via dbus to frameworkd but it did not respond |
| 13:06.54 | lindi- | mickeyl: however, it sends signals on incoming calls just fine |
| 13:07.02 | lindi- | so it is not completely dead |
| 13:07.54 | Dave | Cervajz :D |
| 13:08.00 | lindi- | mickeyl: is there any way to attach a debugger to the running process? |
| 13:08.15 | mickeyl | probably |
| 13:08.17 | mickeyl | like on the host |
| 13:08.21 | mickeyl | gdb |
| 13:08.26 | mickeyl | (never did this though) |
| 13:08.35 | lindi- | mickeyl: yes but how readable is that with python? |
| 13:08.40 | mickeyl | hardly |
| 13:08.55 | mickeyl | we need a patch for an emergency console |
| 13:09.00 | mickeyl | or manintenance console |
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| 13:09.02 | mickeyl | in python |
| 13:09.07 | mickeyl | inspecting the process |
| 13:09.12 | Cervajz | Dave: What? |
| 13:09.16 | lindi- | mickeyl: yes, definitely |
| 13:09.24 | lindi- | mickeyl: one repl please :) |
| 13:09.29 | mickeyl | talking via a socket e.g. |
| 13:10.32 | Dave | Hi :) |
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| 13:14.09 | CVirus | oh DAV |
| 13:17.33 | Dave | HALLO VIRUS |
| 13:17.49 | CVirus | lol |
| 13:18.41 | lindi- | mickeyl: http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/debug-stops-working/gdb shows an instruction trace that starts when frameworkd receives the message from dbus |
| 13:20.08 | mickeyl | that doesn't look too bad |
| 13:20.21 | madxray | hi, since installing FSO V i recognise a 100% battery level and a blinking plus! any reason for fear and no laughing? |
| 13:20.41 | madxray | FR is connected to usb port |
| 13:21.08 | lindi- | glib -> _gobject.so -> PyThread_get_key_value -> pthread -> PyErr_CheckSignals -> ... |
| 13:21.29 | lindi- | mickeyl: I didn't know frameworkd uses threads |
| 13:21.34 | mickeyl | it doesn't |
| 13:21.41 | mickeyl | may be the main thread |
| 13:22.31 | lindi- | zeroconf.py has class Engine(threading.Thread): |
| 13:22.46 | soul9 | err, does frameworkd use xml also? |
| 13:23.43 | lindi- | mickeyl: but 'info threads' indeed shows only one thread |
| 13:25.40 | lindi- | mickeyl: and, %N0187 is only sent on startup. i need to send it after every call |
| 13:26.02 | lindi- | (if I read the source correctly) |
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| 13:27.43 | mickeyl | please catch up with the commit logs |
| 13:27.55 | mickeyl | this has been changed |
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| 13:28.03 | mickeyl | even though i don't believe in it |
| 13:28.05 | lindi- | ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] resend the DSP command on every call setup. |
| 13:28.13 | mickeyl | e.g. that |
| 13:28.54 | lindi- | mickeyl: ok i can try that |
| 13:29.09 | lindi- | mickeyl: however, I still would like to know how I can debug the issue where debug commands can not be sent anymore |
| 13:29.15 | mickeyl | sure |
| 13:29.22 | mickeyl | that's a strange thing |
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| 13:29.50 | lindi- | note that uptime is almost a week so it does not happen immediately |
| 13:31.47 | lindi- | mickeyl: how do dbus bindings interact with python code? |
| 13:32.02 | lindi- | gobject mainloop polls the dbus socket at least |
| 13:32.34 | mickeyl | well, they parse the message |
| 13:32.49 | mickeyl | and call the python low level dbus callbacks |
| 13:33.01 | mickeyl | which then feeds it back into the methods |
| 13:34.21 | lindi- | mickeyl: I don't seem to be able to retrieve sms messages either. probably all dbus calls fail |
| 13:34.44 | lindi- | mickeyl: but d-feet is able to show what is available so introspection works |
| 13:37.21 | lindi- | mickeyl: hmm, framework has written some stuff outside syslog too: Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'ProcessGuard' object has no attribute 'reset'" in <bound method ProcessGuard.__del__ of <framework.patterns.processguard.ProcessGuard object at 0x4c9b10>> ignored |
| 13:37.39 | lindi- | and ppp error: "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable\n |
| 13:38.38 | mickeyl | couldn't trace these to the source, but they do not harm |
| 13:38.48 | mickeyl | at least the 2nd one |
| 13:38.55 | lindi- | mickeyl: del() does self.reset() |
| 13:38.56 | mickeyl | first one is interesting |
| 13:39.06 | lindi- | mickeyl: but only _reset exists |
| 13:39.09 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:40.23 | lindi- | line 130 of processguard.py that is |
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| 13:43.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb8854ca31a95 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: fix typo in processguard. thanks lindi |
| 13:44.12 | Dave | whee |
| 13:44.35 | Dave | so is there an "emergency console", mickey? |
| 13:44.38 | lindi- | mickeyl: it seems that frameworkd does not also stop gsm when the dialer program quits so it is clearly not responding to anything over dbus |
| 13:45.14 | lindi- | Dave: not yet |
| 13:46.49 | Dave | Aw :[ |
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| 13:53.55 | shyam_k | sorry power lost.. did anyone comment on my query? about speech recognition works in openmoko? |
| 13:54.08 | shyam_k | did anyone try pocketsphinx ? |
| 13:56.11 | lindi- | shyam_k: we need to get audio recording work first |
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| 13:59.12 | yann2 | hello |
| 13:59.28 | yann2 | I am writing an app for GTK, having in mind to port it the openmoko |
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| 13:59.59 | yann2 | I wanted to know - the file chooser dialog in GTK is quite large. Is there a customised, more small-screen adapted one on the moko? |
| 14:00.17 | shyam_k | lindi-: !:) |
| 14:00.44 | lindi- | shyam_k: yes? |
| 14:01.00 | lindi- | yann2: you can theme GTK yes |
| 14:01.57 | yann2 | lindi- I'll rephrase... if I call GtkFileChooser, is it going to display a dialogbox twice the size of the screen? :) |
| 14:02.27 | shyam_k | lindi-: there is problem getting audio? |
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| 14:03.46 | lindi- | shyam_k: yes |
| 14:03.59 | shyam_k | where can i read a bit on that? |
| 14:04.00 | lindi- | yann2: depends on the configuration the user has done |
| 14:04.08 | yann2 | by default? |
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| 14:04.45 | lindi- | yann2: defaults depend on distro |
| 14:04.57 | lindi- | shyam_k: the third bug in http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=arecord |
| 14:05.20 | yann2 | distro? I am getting confused :) I thought moko was a distro? |
| 14:05.35 | lindi- | yann2: "openmoko" is company, hardware and distro |
| 14:05.43 | lindi- | yann2: i thought you were talking about the hardware |
| 14:05.44 | yann2 | what is installed by default on freerunner 1973? :) |
| 14:05.52 | lindi- | yann2: there is no freerunner 1973 |
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| 14:06.07 | yann2 | mrf |
| 14:06.10 | lindi- | yann2: gta01 = "openmoko neo 1973" , gta02 = "openmoko neo freerunner" |
| 14:06.25 | yann2 | ok so.. on moko-the-distro, what would happen if I call gtkfilechooser? :] |
| 14:06.32 | lindi- | yann2: no idea, i don't use it :) |
| 14:06.39 | yann2 | ok ;) |
| 14:06.47 | lindi- | yann2: they are using e17 SVN anyway, not GTK |
| 14:06.51 | shyam_k | oh but it did work before right? |
| 14:07.14 | lindi- | shyam_k: I have not heard confirmation about that |
| 14:07.21 | lindi- | shyam_k: do you have the device? |
| 14:07.29 | shyam_k | unfortunately not.. |
| 14:07.46 | lindi- | shyam_k: ok then you can't help with kernel debugging :) |
| 14:07.54 | shyam_k | is stil a student.. will get one with my first salary |
| 14:08.11 | shyam_k | doing final year:) |
| 14:08.31 | yann2 | anyway I hope I'll have a way to run a gtk app on a moko ^^ |
| 14:09.25 | shyam_k | lindi-: did you test that speech recognition project done last year? did it work nicely then? |
| 14:09.33 | lindi- | shyam_k: which one? |
| 14:09.40 | henk | yann2: i think it will work. whatever distro you are using. |
| 14:09.41 | lindi- | shyam_k: i need kernel functionality first :) |
| 14:09.46 | shyam_k | okay:) |
| 14:10.10 | yann2 | trying to use the moko as an archaeological recording device |
| 14:10.27 | shyam_k | hmm i saw a gsoc project on adding an "own" speech recognition system. |
| 14:10.41 | shyam_k | instead of porting any existing systems.. |
| 14:10.48 | lindi- | shyam_k: does not sound like a good idea to reinvent the wheel indeed |
| 14:10.57 | lindi- | shyam_k: and we need the kernel bug fixed first! |
| 14:11.03 | shyam_k | yeah yeah.. |
| 14:13.06 | shyam_k | but that seems to have a good way like, its considering the lack of resource in openmoko..but am yet to check it anyway.. |
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| 14:14.28 | lindi- | yep |
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| 14:51.07 | soul9 | HAH |
| 14:51.21 | soul9 | just checked how much memory eclipse uses |
| 14:51.29 | soul9 | this is even worst than firefox |
| 14:51.43 | soul9 | it uses 1,5Gigabytes |
| 14:51.56 | soul9 | rotflmao |
| 14:52.20 | SM2k | wow. I knew it was a terrible memory hog, but damn. |
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| 14:52.25 | soltys | it's java ;) |
| 14:52.28 | soul9 | yeah, i knew too |
| 14:52.39 | max_posedon | java always eats all avaible memory |
| 14:52.40 | SM2k | that'd give openoffice a run for it's money |
| 14:52.49 | soul9 | i just started using it less than a week ago, before that i only had 1G memory, so i couldn't really use it |
| 14:53.01 | soul9 | Maxiosu: it does? |
| 14:53.06 | soul9 | aaah |
| 14:53.16 | soul9 | Maxiosu: sorry, i was writing to max_poseidon |
| 14:53.24 | soul9 | max_posedon: why does it? |
| 14:53.53 | max_posedon | becouse if you didn't limit her memory usage |
| 14:54.04 | max_posedon | java won't start gc, until malloc" |
| 14:54.09 | max_posedon | "malloc" fail. |
| 14:54.35 | max_posedon | and without starting GC, your memory is just trash. |
| 14:54.48 | max_posedon | so it is common to limit jvm memory usage |
| 14:55.01 | max_posedon | check google for command line params |
| 14:55.42 | soul9 | hmm |
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| 14:55.52 | soul9 | why would a default be so retarded? |
| 14:56.03 | soul9 | if i want java to eat all the memory, i'll tell it to |
| 14:56.10 | soul9 | anywho, thanks, max_posedon |
| 14:56.42 | SM2k | soul9: ever run an apache server? each thread takes ~50M by default the server is willing to start 1000 threads |
| 14:56.52 | soul9 | hahahah |
| 14:56.58 | soul9 | this is an application, though.. |
| 14:57.09 | soul9 | and i didn't say apache was any good.. |
| 14:57.20 | soul9 | i don't use nginx and lighttpd for nothing.. |
| 14:57.33 | SM2k | not to change the subject, but yeah some defaults are just braindead |
| 14:57.37 | soul9 | yeah |
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| 14:59.19 | soul9 | really weird, especially that there still are only few machines that have that kind of memory |
| 14:59.30 | soul9 | (and those are probably not the ones running any kind of apache) |
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| 15:00.34 | SM2k | soul9: you know what's worse about that don't you? the main apache thread takes almost no memory and not much resources, right? well, when a machine starts to enter swap-death the kernel selects processes like that as 1st cnadidates for swapping out to disk... |
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| 15:01.05 | soul9 | eheh |
| 15:01.06 | SM2k | so the machine enters this weird state where it spends a large amount of time moving the parent process in and out of swap. |
| 15:01.14 | soul9 | lol |
| 15:01.22 | soul9 | that's awesome |
| 15:01.26 | baba_melone | Hi, I installed FSO, but there is no mplayer in the repos |
| 15:01.42 | baba_melone | I have also tried om20081.12, but no mplayer there, too |
| 15:01.48 | SM2k | it's the server equivalent of skimming the soft shoulder while doing 60 |
| 15:01.58 | baba_melone | whats wrong with mplayer, why isnt it anymore in the repositories |
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| 15:02.32 | soul9 | SM2k: hahahaha |
| 15:03.48 | soul9 | SM2k: i have a hard time believing that, where is this default documented, do you know? |
| 15:04.04 | henk | baba_melone: mplayer uses codecs that are non-free, that's the reason there was a problem getting it into debian for a long time. |
| 15:04.26 | henk | baba_melone: i can imagine that is a problem for those distributions as well... |
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| 15:05.27 | soul9 | henk: but if you only have free codecs it'll use only free codecs, i think. |
| 15:05.32 | catsup | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main <-- has mplayer |
| 15:05.43 | henk | soul9: of course |
| 15:06.10 | henk | catsup: ftp.de.debian.org too ;) |
| 15:06.36 | soul9 | so just the us. debian server doesn't have mplayer? |
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| 15:06.57 | SM2k | soul9: that was something learned the hard way. googling for it doesn't yield much discussion |
| 15:07.02 | Cervajz | Hello there, is it possible use andy's kernel with latest SHR? |
| 15:07.03 | henk | soul9: the debian repositories in general... |
| 15:07.27 | soul9 | ah, i see |
| 15:07.39 | soul9 | Cervajz: shr unstable has the best kernel |
| 15:07.59 | Cervajz | soul9: Hmm strange, cause I have WSOD... |
| 15:08.12 | soul9 | hm, then maybe they updated it.. |
| 15:08.24 | Cervajz | soul9: I have latest from today |
| 15:08.49 | soul9 | well, a week ago it was very good |
| 15:08.57 | Cervajz | soul9: It's 2.6.28-r4 and andy's is 2.6.29 ... |
| 15:09.03 | Cervajz | So i'm little confused |
| 15:09.08 | soul9 | Cervajz: i think you can, not sure it'll be fully compatible tho |
| 15:09.16 | soul9 | Cervajz: then it should be fine |
| 15:09.45 | soul9 | Cervajz: yep, latest andy-tracking is 2.6.29, just compiled one this morning |
| 15:10.14 | Cervajz | 2nd question: Doe's anybody has Koss PortaPro headphones? How it is works with Neo?(I mean bass espec.] |
| 15:10.14 | Cervajz | ) |
| 15:11.37 | Cervajz | Cause there's bug with low freq. and this headphones has 60Ohm imp., so I think it will be fine... |
| 15:12.26 | Shlee | My moko has been in a box for two months.. |
| 15:12.39 | Shlee | What should I install? |
| 15:12.45 | Shlee | and see how things have progressed? |
| 15:12.45 | Cervajz | Hmm I tried andy |
| 15:12.55 | Cervajz | Hmm I tried andy's kernel and it seem be ok |
| 15:13.06 | soul9 | Shlee: shr is pretty nice |
| 15:13.10 | Cervajz | Shlee: My opinion is SHR |
| 15:13.30 | soul9 | shr testing is the most stable moko distro imho |
| 15:13.49 | slaxxin | 2008.12 russian |
| 15:13.54 | Cervajz | soul9: Well...maybe, but Om2008.12 has better PIM apps |
| 15:13.58 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.17 | Ainulindale | soul9: testing is not up to date and not maintained right now |
| 15:14.20 | Ainulindale | we're focusing on unstable |
| 15:14.27 | Ainulindale | to pour it into testing for release time |
| 15:14.29 | Shlee | downloads. Thank you |
| 15:14.30 | Ainulindale | because we have issues with e |
| 15:14.33 | slaxxin | it works very well |
| 15:14.39 | Ainulindale | so I'd advise to use unstable |
| 15:14.42 | Ainulindale | which I'm using |
| 15:14.50 | soul9 | Ainulindale: good luck, then |
| 15:14.55 | Shlee | mmmm ok |
| 15:14.59 | soul9 | issues with e in unstable or testing? |
| 15:15.00 | Ainulindale | Good luck for what? |
| 15:15.03 | Ainulindale | In both |
| 15:15.08 | Shlee | Ainulindale: Where can I find a daily unstable? |
| 15:15.10 | Ainulindale | in testing there's no UTF8 |
| 15:15.15 | Ainulindale | build.shr-project.org |
| 15:15.20 | soul9 | for moving unstable to testing |
| 15:15.21 | slaxxin | if u want applications instalkl 2008.12 russian |
| 15:15.29 | Ainulindale | in unstable, the dictionnary is borked and there's a problem with andy-tracking/e |
| 15:15.35 | Ainulindale | (anormal CPU usage) |
| 15:15.54 | Ainulindale | For applications, there's trac, I'm able to compile whatever is asked for |
| 15:15.58 | Cervajz | Damn, right now I've installed andy's |
| 15:16.00 | Cervajz | :D |
| 15:16.18 | Cervajz | But I have from 23-Jan |
| 15:16.20 | Ainulindale | I'm sorry to say andy-tracking is crap |
| 15:16.25 | Ainulindale | Because there's no QA |
| 15:16.35 | Cervajz | cause 29-Jan is broken |
| 15:16.37 | Ainulindale | And we, distro "maintainers", are not able to provide consistent features |
| 15:16.54 | slaxxin | yet |
| 15:17.08 | Cervajz | Ainulindale: ok, but i need resolve WSOD and with andy's seems ok |
| 15:17.17 | Ainulindale | Cervajz: Good for you, then |
| 15:17.19 | Ainulindale | But you see |
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| 15:17.24 | Ainulindale | If we bump up the rev just a little bit |
| 15:17.30 | Ainulindale | Tons of problems will happen to other people |
| 15:17.37 | Cervajz | Ainulindale: Ok, I will test it, I'm open for everithing :) |
| 15:17.43 | slaxxin | u will NEVER release |
| 15:17.52 | Ainulindale | Shlee: w.r.t your question, please read the wiki, everything is there |
| 15:17.54 | Ainulindale | trac.shr-project.org |
| 15:18.03 | Ainulindale | lite and non lite are different |
| 15:18.12 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: Why? |
| 15:18.25 | slaxxin | yea thats what i want to know |
| 15:18.29 | Cervajz | Ainulindale: Dou you have WSOD too in lates SHR? |
| 15:18.35 | Cervajz | latest* |
| 15:18.35 | Ainulindale | No |
| 15:18.38 | Ainulindale | I never had it |
| 15:18.41 | Cervajz | Ainulindale: o_O |
| 15:18.47 | soul9 | either :-/ |
| 15:18.47 | Cervajz | strange |
| 15:18.47 | Ainulindale | Shlee: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Install |
| 15:19.07 | soul9 | Cervajz: you'r doing something wrong? ;-p |
| 15:19.32 | slaxxin | is it a series of serial #'s that have the wsod? |
| 15:19.46 | Cervajz | soul9: Maybe...but it was happened when I'm trying some X apps - for example Nymptyphysics and xmahjong |
| 15:19.54 | slaxxin | i never get it either |
| 15:20.01 | soul9 | hmmm, maybe slaxxin is right |
| 15:20.19 | slaxxin | i hope not |
| 15:20.29 | soul9 | i'm dubitative, though |
| 15:20.31 | Cervajz | So...you can try .... http://www.opkg.org/package_117.html |
| 15:21.12 | slaxxin | the kustomizer script for 2008.12 has all the applications installed |
| 15:21.51 | slaxxin | i used it on the russian 2008.12 with extra stuff installed an it worked |
| 15:21.51 | Cervajz | slaxxin: Where can I get this 2008.12 ru? |
| 15:22.05 | slaxxin | hold |
| 15:22.26 | Cervajz | I'll try it like backup system |
| 15:22.29 | Cervajz | Cause I like SHR |
| 15:22.32 | Cervajz | :) |
| 15:22.40 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 15:23.03 | Cervajz | slaxxin: Thank you |
| 15:23.32 | slaxxin | i like shr to |
| 15:23.35 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.57 | slaxxin | my noe is acting like a phone |
| 15:24.03 | slaxxin | #neo |
| 15:24.08 | slaxxin | :) |
| 15:24.12 | Cervajz | I se |
| 15:24.13 | Cervajz | see |
| 15:25.01 | slaxxin | it wont work out of the box with .28 kernel---no sound |
| 15:25.24 | slaxxin | use the .24 kernel |
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| 15:31.08 | Shlee | Where can I find information about flashing my baseband firmware? |
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| 15:35.02 | soul9 | wtf is baseband? |
| 15:35.02 | mwester | Shlee: wiki - search for keywords like GSM firmware |
| 15:35.09 | soul9 | ah, i see |
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| 15:44.26 | Shlee | Thank you. |
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| 16:00.45 | VilleWitt | Quicky: Where does Qt Extendeds Media Player look for music/sound/audio? |
| 16:01.10 | VilleWitt | Can't find it on google - only get tutorials on how to create a media player based on qt |
| 16:01.42 | max_posedon | VilleWitt, SD card? |
| 16:01.54 | max_posedon | on 1st partition I think |
| 16:02.58 | VilleWitt | QtExtended internal, SD card is Debian... isn't there a way to have music in ~/... ? |
| 16:03.16 | VilleWitt | ...for the media player to auto recognize it... |
| 16:03.39 | VilleWitt | ...not requireing SD card would be nice |
| 16:04.21 | bove_ | Isn't there a ~/Documents? |
| 16:04.37 | VilleWitt | Indeed there is |
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| 16:05.44 | Dave | Sarguns. |
| 16:06.23 | VilleWitt | ~/Documents/bell.ogg |
| 16:06.25 | VilleWitt | is not found |
| 16:07.18 | VilleWitt | is there a "rescan media blabla" option somewhere that I was not able to find? |
| 16:08.00 | bove_ | In the "Documents" application (the sheets icon) |
| 16:08.23 | VilleWitt | got hit .ogg's and .mp3's... Nice! |
| 16:08.28 | VilleWitt | hit~his |
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| 16:16.52 | Dave | LEINIR |
| 16:17.25 | leinir | curtsies "Sir" :) |
| 16:18.53 | Dave | damn straight! |
| 16:18.54 | Dave | ;) |
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| 16:27.04 | Dave | TIGS |
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| 16:39.25 | tig| | DAVE! |
| 16:42.32 | Dave | YES |
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| 16:45.41 | tig| | afternoonings |
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| 16:49.27 | Dave | :D |
| 16:49.38 | Dave | goodmoorningses |
| 16:49.53 | nio_ | Afternoonings. |
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| 16:56.36 | bove | will switching to qi render my current sd cards unbootable, or can I just copy the kernels to the root partition? |
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| 17:05.42 | gfather | is it possible to make qi show a boot screen wich has the available boots on sd |
| 17:05.44 | gfather | ? |
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| 17:15.00 | mwester | gfather: no. that functionality is deliberately not designed into qi. Instead, it is expected that qi boot a minimal kernel with initramfs, which can do the menu (and anything else it likes), and use kexec to boot the real desired kernel and rootfs. |
| 17:16.01 | mwester | Such a mechanism means that nobody needs to put a lot of Linux drivers (touchscreen, video, etc) into qi, and it allows the full power of Linux for the boot menu -- so (for example) one might even be able to boot from a tftp server, or nfs boot the phone -- which would be very useful for testing kernels and rootfs. |
| 17:16.48 | mwester | The only problem is that while such a boot menu mechanism exists for other devices, nobody has yet created one (other than experimental) for the Om hardware. |
| 17:17.50 | SpeedEvil | Added to the fact that the video driver is annoying. |
| 17:18.05 | SpeedEvil | Because it's off-chip, and has no really simple mode |
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| 17:19.08 | bove | Just booted SHR for the first time with qi, and got a lot of "Failed to set owner root and mode 0755". It ends with a command line login prompt |
| 17:23.37 | bove | same happends with fso. none of them starts xserver |
| 17:24.42 | gfather | mwester the idea of nto seeing the boot list is making it harder for me to see the problem |
| 17:25.14 | bove | have you read the qi wiki article? |
| 17:25.21 | gfather | yes |
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| 17:26.59 | mwester | gfather: then go back to uboot. U-boot works very well - I even use it to boot Android. |
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| 17:29.18 | Dave | :) |
| 17:29.25 | Dave | waves to doc|home |
| 17:29.39 | doc|home | hey Dave |
| 17:29.45 | bove | could it be that fso and shr refuses to boot cause they are on the second partition. Do I need to configure that somewhere? |
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| 17:30.08 | doc|home | this channel always had a high Dave to other users ratio :) |
| 17:30.24 | Dave | HEIL! |
| 17:30.34 | Dave | yeah |
| 17:30.47 | Dave | the disproportionality is like, Daves, Germans, petty users... |
| 17:30.51 | Dave | :p |
| 17:30.57 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 17:30.59 | Dave | Oh yeah, and lest not forget Mwester :) |
| 17:31.04 | Dave | but pretty much, yeah :) |
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| 17:31.57 | gfather | mwester seems so , but does it scan the sd for booting ? |
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| 17:58.40 | ColdFyre | FSO MS5 , the SMS thing is greyed out in zhone, i can make calls fine,see my contacts on the sim, I get a noise when I get an SMS, but that is it, no other notification |
| 17:59.27 | Dave | In other words, you're pissed there is no visual alert? |
| 18:00.52 | ColdFyre | no, there is no way to see the sms or create new ones |
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| 18:02.53 | Dave | OH |
| 18:02.57 | Dave | haha, that blows :] |
| 18:03.03 | Dave | Woohoo |
| 18:03.07 | Dave | Another FSO failure! :) |
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| 18:14.22 | slaxxin | they will fix it |
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| 18:15.54 | Dave | THEY WILL COME |
| 18:16.07 | nemik | i've been waiting so long |
| 18:17.10 | nemik | so i want to have a little python web-app running all the time on the openmoko to use it as a little server that can read SMS. any recommendations for which OS to use for this? |
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| 18:24.17 | Dave | Damaestros |
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| 19:04.17 | ColdFyre | heh, in the latest SHR iamge, there is no way to view old SMS messages |
| 19:04.19 | ColdFyre | hah |
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| 19:06.37 | Dave | eh oh |
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| 19:06.45 | Dave | Sounds like total fail in the SMS department! |
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| 19:14.14 | samgee | is there any way to get around shr bug 296? |
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| 19:17.21 | samgee | "Read-only file system"? |
| 19:17.36 | Dave | hmm |
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| 19:33.37 | slaxxin | has the kustomizer script been repaired yet? |
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| 19:48.48 | Dave | Slaxin, do you work for KDE? |
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| 20:52.59 | Karrde | Right, I now have an old Keytronic keyboard connected to my FR |
| 20:53.17 | Mortak | hi |
| 20:53.37 | Karrde | I needed three adapters, DIN->PS2, PS2->USB and USB gender changer |
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| 20:55.01 | Karrde | And it works like a charm |
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| 22:20.03 | henkie_ | just tried FSO m5, but i cannot make a phone call through the dailer, it is disabled :( |
| 22:20.11 | henkie_ | more ppl having this problem? |
| 22:24.50 | henkie_ | but at least the echo is gone :) |
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| 23:20.29 | sung_ | question: i'm looking to play around with the handset. are there any prepaid sim cards available in the US that give me a phone number, sms, and data services? |
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| 23:30.23 | losinggeneration | sung_: haven't checked it out myself, but the search shouldn't take too long since your choices IIRC are T-Mobile or At&t |
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| 23:32.17 | badcloud | which terminal does shr use? |
| 23:33.39 | badcloud | or to make things simpler, has anyone managed to run centerim on shr? |
| 23:35.40 | losinggeneration | I could be wrong, but I think it's busybox (ash) |
| 23:36.00 | badcloud | vala-terminal is what I found |
| 23:36.28 | badcloud | but when I alter the desktop file, it just switches to the terminal without running centerim |
| 23:36.28 | losinggeneration | oh, you mean a terminal to run in X |
| 23:36.36 | badcloud | right |
| 23:36.45 | badcloud | but you're right, it is ash |
| 23:37.07 | losinggeneration | yeah, it's vala-terminal by default, I don't remember if xterm is available or not |
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| 23:37.24 | badcloud | it's not installed by default |
| 23:37.55 | badcloud | but for some reason, this http://www.mibbit.com/pb/NPd9AY doesn't fly |
| 23:38.18 | losinggeneration | you could try installing the package rxvt-unicode and see if that works for you |
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| 23:38.35 | badcloud | where can I find that? |
| 23:38.47 | losinggeneration | opkg install rxvt-unicode |
| 23:39.19 | badcloud | oh, it's in the repos |
| 23:39.46 | losinggeneration | try vala-terminal command instead |
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| 23:40.44 | losinggeneration | it looks like whatever is passed to it it tries to run. so leave off the -e |
| 23:42.01 | badcloud | Exec=vala-terminal centerim didn't work either |
| 23:42.07 | badcloud | same result |
| 23:42.18 | badcloud | just switches (or runs if not running) the term |
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| 23:42.42 | badcloud | tried rxvt-unicode -e centerim, but it didn't find rxvt |
| 23:43.35 | slaxxin | shr i guess? |
| 23:43.42 | badcloud | right |
| 23:43.53 | badcloud | good guess |
| 23:44.21 | slaxxin | welll as soon as u get it hammered out they might release |
| 23:44.33 | badcloud | craaap |
| 23:44.52 | losinggeneration | badcloud: did you listen to what I said about vala-terminal? |
| 23:44.58 | badcloud | anyway to install the original openmoko-term for it to work? |
| 23:45.16 | losinggeneration | or does it not work in vala-terminal normally? |
| 23:45.28 | badcloud | I'll try locally |
| 23:45.43 | slaxxin | 2008.12 installs xterm an everything |
| 23:46.12 | losinggeneration | badcloud: did you remove the -e from the centerim.desktop file? |
| 23:46.44 | badcloud | yeah, los |
| 23:46.50 | badcloud | that didn't change anything |
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| 23:47.06 | badcloud | it's giving me a 'line 3: xterm not found' |
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| 23:47.53 | slaxxin | installed xterm? |
| 23:48.05 | badcloud | wanted to try it to work without |
| 23:48.08 | losinggeneration | badcloud: did you try it like this? http://losinggeneration.pastebin.com/da04cd18 |
| 23:48.10 | slaxxin | ooo u want vala |
| 23:48.17 | badcloud | I've got vala |
| 23:48.26 | badcloud | even adjusted the desktop file |
| 23:48.37 | slaxxin | is it a problem to use xterm? |
| 23:49.06 | losinggeneration | if xterm was available in shr, no, but it's not |
| 23:49.11 | slaxxin | oo |
| 23:49.14 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 23:49.16 | badcloud | los, my desktop file is identical to yours |
| 23:49.26 | badcloud | are you running shr, los? |
| 23:51.16 | badcloud | in short, no running centerim on shr |
| 23:51.24 | badcloud | yet |
| 23:51.25 | losinggeneration | badcloud: yes, and that should work (i don't have centerim, but I changed centerim to top and it works fine) |
| 23:51.33 | losinggeneration | assuming the program itself works |
| 23:51.37 | losinggeneration | it should work |
| 23:52.01 | losinggeneration | well, I have to go, goodluck badcloud |
| 23:52.08 | badcloud | thanks |
| 23:53.40 | badcloud | very peculiar |
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| 23:56.00 | badcloud | can anyone confirm that centerim cannot be run on shr? |