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| 01:28.47 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.55 | slaxxin | .org |
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| 01:39.18 | anttna | hi i flashed fso-illume-image-om-gta02.jffs2 milestone 5 I only see 4 icons on the screen. Is there another version with a dialer etc? or do i need to install zhone perhaps? |
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| 01:50.31 | slaxxin | where is mf at? |
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| 01:51.35 | slaxxin | anttna the address please? |
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| 01:56.27 | anttna | hang on i can't find it .... |
| 01:58.46 | anttna | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/ |
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| 02:15.44 | gurugentoo | it really seems a bit silly to install subversion on a phone |
| 02:16.22 | gurugentoo | darn overlay had to pick svn |
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| 02:49.10 | mwester | yes, but just consider the "geek factor" --- having a version control tool on your phone, of all things. :-D |
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| 02:51.25 | uhsf | are there any sound settings for the freerunner so people at the other end of the conversation actually hear something? |
| 02:53.09 | slaxxin | turn down your earpiece volume |
| 02:53.24 | uhsf | with the incredible mess that's accessible in alsamixer it's hard to believe the mic volume can't be set higher |
| 02:53.34 | slaxxin | scary |
| 02:53.49 | slaxxin | soon all that will dissappear |
| 02:54.26 | slaxxin | why is there no wiki update on fso? |
| 02:54.37 | slaxxin | m5 |
| 02:54.56 | uhsf | slaxxin: turning down the earpiece could help increase the mic output, you think? |
| 02:54.59 | mwester | nobody wrote it yet? |
| 02:55.11 | slaxxin | o |
| 02:55.29 | slaxxin | uhsf i dont think so |
| 02:55.44 | uhsf | is it that the freerunner lacks power for the sound system? |
| 02:55.52 | slaxxin | no |
| 02:56.23 | slaxxin | i think the vibrations resound through the case |
| 02:56.40 | slaxxin | maybe i wroung |
| 02:57.13 | uhsf | i think the mic is placed in the wrong orientation |
| 02:59.14 | uhsf | if the sound of the mic can't be improved with software i'll have to get another phone it's a serious sound problem |
| 03:00.19 | slaxxin | fso m5 illume or not? |
| 03:00.34 | slaxxin | not has 8 more megs |
| 03:00.58 | slaxxin | which has the dialer? |
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| 03:17.19 | xelapond | Hey everyone |
| 03:17.31 | xelapond | what kind of download speed do you get with the "2.5G" service? |
| 03:19.03 | raster | in theory gprs can do 48kbit |
| 03:19.12 | raster | bit in reality you're more likelyu to see 20kbit or so |
| 03:19.16 | raster | in most cases |
| 03:19.25 | raster | latency is pretyt nasty too |
| 03:19.37 | Dave | Raster! |
| 03:19.55 | Dave | yeah it is! |
| 03:20.03 | raster | Dave: doof! |
| 03:22.56 | xelapond | Assuming the web browser works, is it tolerable? |
| 03:24.48 | xelapond | eh, nevermind, a little slowness is worth it for an open phone:) |
| 03:26.10 | raster | man |
| 03:26.16 | raster | i was recently stuck on 32kib at home |
| 03:26.21 | raster | thanks to ips crap |
| 03:26.26 | raster | and 32kbit was totally unusable |
| 03:26.40 | xelapond | hm |
| 03:27.02 | xelapond | well, it wouldn't be my main connection |
| 03:27.08 | xelapond | I still have wifi at home |
| 03:27.39 | xelapond | have you tried something like lynx? |
| 03:27.57 | xelapond | on the Freerunner, that is |
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| 03:30.29 | raster | no |
| 03:30.37 | raster | i dont use my freerunner |
| 03:30.43 | raster | 1. data rates on 2g are outragesou in .au |
| 03:30.46 | raster | (3g is cheap) |
| 03:30.54 | xelapond | oh |
| 03:31.09 | moocowmason | hello I am getting the error discussed here http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/11/27/4252524/thread and I have set my download_dir and _wildcard vars any other ideas? |
| 03:31.12 | raster | 2. openmoko builds dont work for me so i cant build a working os image |
| 03:31.33 | raster | 3. i have yet to ever see it reliably ssuspedn and wake up often enough to not need a reboot every few hours |
| 03:31.42 | xelapond | thats annoying |
| 03:32.00 | raster | 4. if u do make calls - audio quality is so awful no one can hear you unless u are in a dead quiet room |
| 03:32.13 | raster | the gta02 is a toy |
| 03:32.15 | raster | to fiddle with |
| 03:32.24 | raster | its one of my less reliable and slower toys |
| 03:32.24 | xelapond | is there any word on when any of this will be fixed? |
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| 03:33.05 | raster | shrugs |
| 03:33.12 | xelapond | thought so |
| 03:33.33 | raster | my main - nay my only phone is my mobile |
| 03:33.40 | raster | it has to be totally reliable |
| 03:33.47 | xelapond | makes sense |
| 03:33.48 | raster | has to last a long time on batteries |
| 03:33.57 | raster | the gta02 is far from that |
| 03:34.09 | raster | unfortunate |
| 03:34.13 | xelapond | very |
| 03:34.55 | xelapond | How stable is QTopia? |
| 03:35.00 | xelapond | I hear people say thats usable |
| 03:35.18 | raster | out of principle i havent touched qtopia as its gpl |
| 03:35.23 | raster | my current RELIABLE phone runs qtopia |
| 03:35.30 | raster | well qtembedded |
| 03:35.34 | raster | (motorola) |
| 03:35.36 | xelapond | whats wrong with gpl? |
| 03:35.43 | raster | and i rather have a distaste for it |
| 03:35.56 | raster | because it forces ALL apps written for it to be gpl too |
| 03:36.04 | raster | what if i want to do shareware closed |
| 03:36.06 | raster | or mit-x11 |
| 03:36.07 | xelapond | yeah, that is pretty dumb |
| 03:36.09 | raster | or bsd license? |
| 03:36.16 | raster | just to develop an app it is forced to be gpl |
| 03:36.24 | raster | tho qt recently moved to LGPL |
| 03:36.24 | xelapond | meh, brb |
| 03:36.28 | raster | which i applaud |
| 03:36.31 | losingge1eration | raster: because software should be open source ;) |
| 03:36.36 | losingge1eration | :P |
| 03:36.44 | xelapond|brb | losingge1eration: BSD is open source |
| 03:36.46 | raster | losingge1eration: you see - thats now what i call freedom |
| 03:36.50 | losingge1eration | freedom wether you like it or not |
| 03:36.52 | raster | freedom is also the freedom to NOT be open soruce |
| 03:36.54 | raster | if you want |
| 03:37.45 | raster | bingo |
| 03:37.54 | raster | thats not freedom |
| 03:38.09 | raster | i also am disinterested in wrtiing apps in c++ |
| 03:38.12 | losingge1eration | call me an cynic, but I don't trust people to be open with code they use, so GPL works well for keeping things open |
| 03:38.22 | raster | and just in general for me - qt feels wrong as an api |
| 03:38.27 | raster | but thats personal |
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| 03:38.50 | losingge1eration | besides the bastardized stuff they do to C++, I like the API |
| 03:38.51 | slaxxin | why is that? |
| 03:39.05 | uhsf | patience. the palm pre will save us all soon. |
| 03:39.16 | raster | losingge1eration: iurf a library is lgpl - its cliense doesnt infect apps that use it |
| 03:39.20 | raster | thus the point is moot |
| 03:39.35 | raster | the library itself and all changes to it are open |
| 03:39.40 | raster | uhsf: hahahahah |
| 03:39.53 | raster | uhsf: somehow i have a feeling the pre will be about as closed a setup as iphone |
| 03:39.57 | raster | just on linux |
| 03:40.12 | raster | i dont see palm saying "sure - fuck with the os all u want" |
| 03:40.21 | raster | they likely will have a signed kernel and rootfs |
| 03:40.23 | raster | via a bootloader |
| 03:40.29 | raster | or well bootloader will force a signed kernel |
| 03:40.33 | losingge1eration | raster: I agree that libraries are typically better suited to be LGPL rather than GPL |
| 03:40.38 | raster | and signed kenrle will enforce a signed os etc. |
| 03:40.46 | slaxxin | ooo no it has zhone |
| 03:40.47 | raster | if they don't - i'll be pleasantly surprised |
| 03:41.02 | raster | losingge1eration: yup. that has been my major beef with qt for years |
| 03:41.09 | raster | losingge1eration: but it wont win me over :) |
| 03:41.13 | uhsf | raster: at least people at the other end of a conversation could hear me with a palm pre. |
| 03:41.19 | raster | just doing their own windowin system is kind of bizarre |
| 03:41.23 | raster | shoudl have just done x |
| 03:41.27 | raster | standard - works. easy to dev for |
| 03:41.38 | raster | uhsf: true! :) |
| 03:41.52 | losingge1eration | raster: but qt will be LGPL soon (but that doesn't help with you not likeing the API itself) |
| 03:41.53 | raster | uhsf: tho they can do that on my treo650 or my moto rokr e6... |
| 03:42.31 | uhsf | raster: i'm about as pro Freedom as RMS. ok the openmoko is the first linux phone ever. but the thing sure totally fails as a phone. |
| 03:45.06 | raster | or one of a lot of other phones equally open :) |
| 03:45.50 | raster | uhsf: i know. i can cite a zillion reasons why... but to this day there exists no OPNE linux phone |
| 03:45.52 | raster | PEN |
| 03:45.55 | raster | OPEN |
| 03:45.56 | raster | i eman |
| 03:46.10 | raster | and by open i mean that u can replace anything from bootloader up |
| 03:46.23 | raster | yourself - with no interference/blocks from the manufacturer |
| 03:46.55 | raster | and that means all essential bits of hardware have drivers/software to drive them that has source in a format able to be rebuilt/modified and re-distributed (ie open license) |
| 03:47.18 | raster | losingge1eration: qt will be lbpl - qtopia for now will not be - gpl still. |
| 03:47.25 | raster | err lgpl not lbpl |
| 03:47.26 | raster | :) |
| 03:47.44 | Dave | openraster! |
| 03:48.59 | losingge1eration | but isn't qtembedded (that's the new name right?) basically just applications built on top of qt? or did I miss something (I haven't looked that closely at it since I mainly have just been stuck on the desktop side of things till very recently) |
| 03:49.26 | raster | losingge1eration: that and i believe libraries too |
| 03:49.33 | raster | for the pim/phone/whatever side too |
| 03:49.34 | raster | i think |
| 03:49.40 | raster | its more than just apps |
| 03:49.46 | raster | either way |
| 03:49.50 | raster | still doesnt make it run on x |
| 03:49.57 | raster | and not be c and change its api :) |
| 03:49.59 | raster | so its moot |
| 03:50.00 | raster | :) |
| 03:50.09 | raster | as i said - already have a phone with that on it |
| 03:50.29 | raster | if wouldnt have wasted even the time to flash the gta02 with qte letalone paid for it.. if thats what i want :) |
| 03:50.32 | raster | already have it |
| 03:50.32 | raster | :) |
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| 04:03.54 | Dave | :D |
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| 04:22.58 | xelapond | looks like a missed an interesting discussion:( |
| 04:23.06 | raster | not really |
| 04:23.07 | raster | :) |
| 04:23.39 | xelapond | I usually hang around .Net fools on IRC, so comparatively... |
| 04:23.41 | xelapond | :P |
| 04:23.51 | raster | ooooh |
| 04:23.52 | raster | i see |
| 04:23.53 | raster | :) |
| 04:24.07 | raster | are .net programmers like java programmers? |
| 04:24.16 | xelapond | yeah, pretty much |
| 04:24.25 | raster | ie iof the problem isnt already done in a class - they cannot figure out how to do it themeleves |
| 04:24.37 | xelapond | not as bad, but yeah |
| 04:24.41 | raster | (ie they lack the basic cose ability to write algorithms and solve problerms breaking them down into basic steps) |
| 04:24.42 | raster | ? |
| 04:24.44 | mwester | indistiguishable in programming habits; the only difference is that .NET programmers tend to be microsofties. |
| 04:24.55 | xelapond | mwester: exactly |
| 04:24.59 | raster | err lack basic core ... |
| 04:25.03 | xelapond | they all want me to use mono on debian |
| 04:25.08 | xelapond | seriously? why? |
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| 04:25.18 | raster | well as i understand it |
| 04:25.25 | raster | the .net viortual machine is better than the jvm |
| 04:25.41 | raster | but really i am no0t one to like al theese interpreted bytecode whatever jit languages |
| 04:25.41 | xelapond | "You do Python? Ever heard of IronPython? You can be one of us and still use the language you love!" |
| 04:25.45 | losingge1eration | eh, I hear the jvm has been getting better |
| 04:25.47 | raster | not for writing any serous apps |
| 04:26.06 | raster | serious |
| 04:26.13 | xelapond | Python? PHP? Ruby? |
| 04:26.15 | xelapond | Clojure? |
| 04:26.18 | mwester | The problem isn't the VM. It's the mindset. |
| 04:26.20 | xelapond | SBCL? |
| 04:26.27 | raster | mwester: i know |
| 04:26.32 | pjz | I'm no java apologist, but I have to write it at work |
| 04:26.33 | raster | mwester: make everything an object |
| 04:26.37 | mwester | Exactly |
| 04:26.38 | raster | "i need an integer" |
| 04:26.39 | pjz | and it's not that bad |
| 04:26.58 | pjz | type safety is nice for large projects |
| 04:26.58 | raster | "cool. make int an object., here - intherit thsi class.. think of all the cool shit u can do if integers were objects!" |
| 04:27.01 | mwester | Yeah, the thinking: "Integer: multiply thyself!" :D |
| 04:27.12 | raster | pjz: type safety is good |
| 04:27.31 | mwester | pjz: Basic can have type safety. |
| 04:27.34 | pjz | and the JIT stuff makes it reasonably fast |
| 04:27.36 | raster | scurries back to his comfy pile of C cushions |
| 04:27.39 | xelapond | pjz: Maybe you can answer this, whats with all the java people hating python? |
| 04:27.49 | raster | curls up and purrs nestled in his C |
| 04:28.15 | pjz | xelapond: no idea. FWIW, Google internally uses lots of both java and python |
| 04:28.34 | xelapond | yeah |
| 04:28.46 | xelapond | I don't have any serious problems with Java |
| 04:28.54 | xelapond | I never gave it a serious look outside clojure |
| 04:29.04 | raster | i have problems with anything that eats thru cpu and memory like no tomorrow |
| 04:29.09 | pjz | but picking on java or .NET programmers misses the point, which is that programmer that are lost without a complete IDE are just lame |
| 04:29.14 | raster | and everything java i have ever seen does just that |
| 04:29.29 | raster | python isnt a hell of a lot better... |
| 04:29.30 | raster | :) |
| 04:29.34 | pjz | I've seen this in java and .NET and even C++ programmers |
| 04:29.48 | xelapond | pjz: emacs count? |
| 04:29.49 | xelapond | :) |
| 04:29.54 | raster | pjz: true. |
| 04:30.00 | raster | if u cant code using raw editors |
| 04:30.09 | raster | like vi/emacs... or notepad... even |
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| 04:30.16 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.22 | pjz | xelapond: if you can set up emacs to be your IDE by yourself, well and good. |
| 04:30.32 | xelapond | consequintly most of them happen to be microsofties anyway... |
| 04:30.40 | raster | xelapond: emacs counts.. if u dont use its struct/func completion etc. |
| 04:30.51 | raster | ie only use it in raw "auto-indent my code.. save and load it" mode |
| 04:30.51 | raster | :) |
| 04:30.56 | pjz | raster: I've run into programmers that didn't know what a fscking socket was, or how basic TCP/IP worked, etc. |
| 04:31.10 | xelapond | pjz: anyone that uses emacs and doesn't customize it is missing the point imo |
| 04:31.17 | losingge1eration | raster: the IDE's I tend to use just assist (and often times get in the way with code completion) |
| 04:31.24 | pjz | raster: enh, you can use the struct/func complete stuff - it's handy - but you have to know how to install it all yourself, inclding setting it up for a new language |
| 04:31.25 | raster | pjz: so have i. i've asked people.. who have comp sci ddegrees "how big is a pointer" |
| 04:31.28 | raster | and they dont have a clue |
| 04:31.46 | raster | (can't even say "its 32bits.. or 64bit on a 64bit platform.. or.. well depends on platform. which platform?" |
| 04:31.52 | raster | they barely know that |
| 04:31.54 | pjz | raster: right |
| 04:32.02 | raster | i dont care if u do java or python |
| 04:32.10 | raster | you'd damn well better know WHY its a 64bit platform |
| 04:32.15 | raster | or a 32bit one |
| 04:32.16 | raster | or 16bit |
| 04:32.22 | raster | and what that implies limitation-wise |
| 04:32.32 | pjz | has done both, and C and Pascal and bash too |
| 04:33.00 | raster | (and even if u do do python/ruby/java - every reference. anything tha POINTs to something.. in the end deep down.. likely is a pointer - thus costs u memory.. and u'd better have an idea how much memory that is) |
| 04:33.07 | raster | if u can say what a pointer is |
| 04:33.08 | pjz | yup |
| 04:33.21 | raster | i dont trust u to hve any faint clue how much ram that struct u just invented uses |
| 04:33.23 | raster | or that class |
| 04:33.28 | raster | object |
| 04:33.29 | raster | whatever |
| 04:33.57 | raster | so feel free to eat up all available ram on our poor machines... just because u have no idea of the cost of your "lets make an object for everything" has :) |
| 04:34.01 | raster | </rant> |
| 04:34.02 | raster | ) |
| 04:34.28 | pjz | heh |
| 04:34.29 | xelapond | needs to hang around here more often |
| 04:34.29 | raster | peolpe should only be allowed to code in higher level nags once they have mastered the lower ones |
| 04:34.30 | pjz | nicest thing about those languages is automatic GC |
| 04:34.41 | xelapond | raster: I don't think thats really true |
| 04:34.44 | raster | a bit like levelling in an mmorpg |
| 04:34.48 | raster | need to get to level 1 befor 2 |
| 04:34.48 | xelapond | raster: Python is a great gateway for newbies |
| 04:34.55 | raster | xelapond: i disagree |
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| 04:35.04 | raster | as they tend to never learn more than that |
| 04:35.04 | xelapond | raster: evidently:) |
| 04:35.08 | xelapond | tend to |
| 04:35.16 | pjz | IMO, it depends on whether the newb is ever intending to get any further |
| 04:35.17 | xelapond | but if they want to get into serious programming they have to |
| 04:35.18 | raster | as anything lowe is "too much work" |
| 04:35.32 | raster | pjz: i'm no fan of GC |
| 04:35.40 | raster | i am happy to free() my shit when i'm done |
| 04:35.42 | raster | :) |
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| 04:36.10 | xelapond | the problem with automatic GC is a lot of people won't even realize its doing it |
| 04:36.15 | pjz | raster: well, sure, if it were just me, me too. but libs and other people's code and such where you can never be sure make it more difficult |
| 04:36.28 | xelapond | and when they get into C/C++ their code won't work, and have no idea why |
| 04:36.53 | mwester | Good GC is like living in a house with a badly-leaking roof, and being proud that you have a very good system involving buckets beneath drips. |
| 04:38.00 | losingge1eration | I would like GC better in languages like Java if you weren't forced to use the GC (last I chacked you couldn't manually call free()/delete on objects) |
| 04:38.02 | pjz | hey, as long as I can be lazier and therefore get more done in less time, I'm for it |
| 04:38.05 | raster | xelapond: i think its more a matter that people stop carign about ram usage |
| 04:38.12 | raster | as "oh - the language just handles it for me" |
| 04:38.13 | mwester | pjz: EXACTLY! |
| 04:38.16 | raster | they dont unreference objects |
| 04:38.21 | xelapond | raster: thats also true |
| 04:38.24 | raster | dont discard shiut when they dont need it anymore |
| 04:38.28 | raster | because they stop thinking about it |
| 04:38.34 | xelapond | but on the other hand who cares on modern computers? |
| 04:38.37 | raster | the "gc" mindset is to totally forget about memory |
| 04:38.38 | mwester | pjz: the point you make is that you *conciously* choose, and that's what makes the difference. :) |
| 04:38.45 | raster | not just the convenience of having it clean up after u |
| 04:38.50 | raster | u just stop caring entirely |
| 04:38.58 | mwester | Knowning enough to say "I choose a lazy language because I have no time and I do have memeory" for example. |
| 04:39.04 | projektdotnet | anyone using FSO MS5 right now, thoughts on it if you are? |
| 04:39.21 | mwester | Conversely, knowing enough to know when to spend that extra time optimizing a certain part of an application... |
| 04:39.29 | pjz | raster: nah, gc is for when I want to think higher level and not worry about the piddly details |
| 04:39.43 | mwester | ...so that it dosn't end up requiring 64GB of RAM on some super-server just to run! |
| 04:39.52 | raster | pjz: dunno. when i want to think higher level.. i sit on the balcony with a beer :) |
| 04:40.00 | raster | i do all my thinking in my head |
| 04:40.04 | raster | oddly enough |
| 04:40.15 | raster | code is just the final expression of idea to "working shit" |
| 04:40.31 | raster | and when i get to that point - i've sorted out my ideas already |
| 04:40.50 | pjz | raster: sure, but there's no point in reinventing the wheel a bunch of times |
| 04:40.52 | raster | if i just want to experiment - its normally with a lower level algorithm where i can write throw-away code to test the idea |
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| 04:41.07 | raster | and then i dont bother freeing as its throw-away to test my idea if my thinking doesnt sort it for me |
| 04:41.11 | Digital_Pioneer | Hello, world. |
| 04:42.28 | Digital_Pioneer | So they tell me SHR-Unstable is better than SHR-testing... Could I just go through and change all the 'testing' to 'unstable' in my opkg .conf files and opkg update/upgrade? Or do I _have_ to reflash? |
| 04:42.51 | Digital_Pioneer | I'd rather not lose all my software and customization. |
| 04:43.18 | xelapond | Digital_Pioneer: I can't speak for openmoko, but in the debian world thats a bad idea:) |
| 04:43.48 | Digital_Pioneer | xelapond: Yeah, such is what I fear. :\ |
| 04:43.51 | pjz | xelapond: is it? works for me |
| 04:43.59 | pjz | xelapond: under debian, I mean |
| 04:44.14 | xelapond | pjz: of course it works, but... |
| 04:44.17 | pjz | xelapond: though i guess it's really 'dist-upgrade' |
| 04:44.32 | losingge1eration | yeah, I thought on debian it didn't matter so much going from testing to unstable, but going backwards is where there's generally problems |
| 04:44.36 | Digital_Pioneer | That's all apt-get though, not opkg. |
| 04:44.46 | pjz | xelapond: and sometimes I do apt-get -dy dist-upgrade |
| 04:44.46 | xelapond | losingge1eration: Oh, right, I got it mixed up |
| 04:44.48 | xelapond | sorry |
| 04:45.05 | pjz | oh, right, yeah, downgrading doesn't work |
| 04:45.18 | xelapond | or from debian to ubuntu and vice versa:) |
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| 04:45.23 | xelapond | that was an adventure... |
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| 04:46.03 | xelapond | actually debian -> ubuntu isn't so bad, its the other way around... |
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| 04:46.14 | pjz | yeah, ubuntu is a superset of debian |
| 04:46.24 | pjz | or rather, is 'downstream' from debian |
| 04:46.28 | xelapond | yeah |
| 04:46.35 | raster | the best is to reflash |
| 04:46.37 | xelapond | Your always better off fresh though |
| 04:46.42 | raster | as u getg everything set up as intended |
| 04:46.44 | raster | freshly |
| 04:46.47 | losingge1eration | Digital_Pioneer: so, I can't really say for sure, but you can always do a backup before you flash |
| 04:47.00 | raster | the pain of re-configuring will be less than the pain if shit doesnt work right |
| 04:47.01 | losingge1eration | then if things get mucked up, you can reflash the good image back |
| 04:47.03 | xelapond | Digital_Pioneer: Or give it a try, and if it fails reflash |
| 04:47.05 | projektdotnet | anyone on here using FSO M5 right now, if so what are your thoughts on the new image? |
| 04:47.07 | raster | the problem is personal data |
| 04:47.08 | Digital_Pioneer | losingge1eration: Yeah. |
| 04:47.09 | raster | like contacts etc. |
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| 04:47.36 | Digital_Pioneer | losingge1eration: That's a given, I'm just wondering if someone else has already done it and can save my time if it doesn't work. |
| 04:48.15 | xelapond | raster: So, in your opinion is it worth getting a freerunner now? |
| 04:48.34 | xelapond | are most of the issues software related and will be fixed/I could help fix them |
| 04:48.37 | xelapond | or is it hardware? |
| 04:49.03 | pjz | xelapond: most are software; the glamo is the big hardware issue |
| 04:49.23 | xelapond | which is? |
| 04:49.35 | xelapond | oh, graphics? |
| 04:49.40 | pjz | xelapond: yeah |
| 04:49.42 | losingge1eration | among other things |
| 04:49.44 | xelapond | whats wrong with it? |
| 04:49.48 | xelapond | lack of documentation? |
| 04:49.50 | losingge1eration | it's not an open spec |
| 04:50.20 | xelapond | why would they put it in an open phone? |
| 04:50.45 | losingge1eration | because smedia was supposed to open spec it, but they backed out on the agreement |
| 04:50.52 | xelapond | oh... |
| 04:51.01 | pjz | oh, and it's a little annoying that the microSD card isn't externally accessible |
| 04:51.22 | xelapond | I could live with that |
| 04:51.46 | xelapond | but the gsm stuff is software related? |
| 04:51.58 | xelapond | the poor quality that is |
| 04:52.13 | Digital_Pioneer | I get fine quality, volume is just crap. |
| 04:52.13 | pjz | that's my understanding |
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| 04:52.46 | xelapond | ok |
| 04:52.47 | pjz | xelapond: though if you don't have one, I'd consider holding out for a GTA03 |
| 04:53.02 | xelapond | pjz: Has there been any word on timeframe? |
| 04:53.06 | losingge1eration | xelapond: my understanding is that things like suspend and wifi still don't have great driver support IIRC |
| 04:53.38 | pjz | xelapond: nope, but I can't seeing it be more than a year max |
| 04:53.54 | xelapond | ok, probably not a bad idea then |
| 04:54.02 | losingge1eration | pjz: I was thinking about holding out to get a GTA03, but I found a freerunner for $100 and couldn't resist |
| 04:54.06 | pjz | xelapond: otherwise the nextgen parts lists will come out |
| 04:54.06 | xelapond | pjz: Is there any way I can get involved without a phone? |
| 04:54.15 | losingge1eration | xelapond: qemu? |
| 04:54.23 | xelapond | losingge1eration: Oh, true... |
| 04:54.25 | pjz | xelapond: there's a qemu emulator for the Neo1973 |
| 04:54.28 | xelapond | heads to apt |
| 04:54.49 | pjz | xelapond: put FSO on qemu and play with that |
| 04:55.23 | pjz | xelapond: could likely do a fair bit of real dev there |
| 04:55.45 | losingge1eration | xelapond: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU (since I think a lot of it hasn't been push upstream) |
| 04:56.08 | xelapond | thanks |
| 04:56.09 | pjz | xelapond: or work on the higher layers - make apps use the FSO dbus stuff |
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| 05:00.11 | xelapond | losingge1eration: Should I use the GTA01 emulator? |
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| 05:01.13 | losingge1eration | yeah, since most of the GTA02 stuff isn't too big a deal (WLAN, GPS, and Accelerometers aren't a huge deal to ignore with the emulator) |
| 05:01.28 | xelapond | ok |
| 05:09.45 | pjz | xelapond: or as a first project you could hack out fake daemons that would "implement" the FSO dbus interfaces for those parts |
| 05:10.02 | pjz | so you could still write code against them somewhat |
| 05:10.10 | raster | u dont even need to worry abotu emulator |
| 05:10.17 | raster | u can just compile/run native apps |
| 05:10.21 | raster | and sue xephyr |
| 05:10.22 | raster | use |
| 05:10.23 | raster | :) |
| 05:10.38 | mwester | I suppose you could sue it too. |
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| 05:10.47 | raster | sues mwester |
| 05:10.47 | mwester | at least here you could, we sue anything and everyone in the US. |
| 05:11.11 | mwester | Except that nobody here has any money anymore. So now all the lawyers will go somewhere else. |
| 05:11.33 | mwester | How's au doing raster? Need some leeches, er, lawyers? |
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| 05:12.09 | raster | hahahaha |
| 05:12.10 | mwester | Better still, let's send on an ocean cruise. Past Somalia. |
| 05:12.12 | xelapond | alex@Andromeda:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/download.sh |
| 05:12.12 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.12 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.12 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.17 | xelapond | hm... |
| 05:12.18 | raster | lawyers are like... locusts |
| 05:12.33 | xelapond | lol, I forgot make |
| 05:12.35 | xelapond | sorry... |
| 05:12.36 | raster | you can keep your locusts |
| 05:12.39 | mwester | 'cept it's illegal to squash lawyers. |
| 05:12.53 | xelapond | 28th amendmant anyone? |
| 05:12.58 | raster | mwester: i've been hoping to wone day set up my own country |
| 05:13.01 | xelapond | :P |
| 05:13.05 | raster | and make that legal |
| 05:13.14 | raster | any lawyer wishing to contest that law in court |
| 05:13.19 | raster | will get squashed |
| 05:15.13 | mwester | wants citizenship in Rasterland. |
| 05:18.58 | raster | indeed citizen #1 is on board |
| 05:19.13 | raster | rasterland will not recognise patents at all |
| 05:19.31 | raster | not dmca |
| 05:20.01 | raster | and reverse-engineering will be supported by friday-evening parties down on the beach beside the coconut palms |
| 05:20.02 | raster | :) |
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| 05:37.56 | xelapond | ok, I keep getting this error: |
| 05:38.01 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.01 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.01 | xelapond | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.14 | losingge1eration | xelapond: try replaceing openmoko/env with this http://losinggeneration.pastebin.com/d26327c36 |
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| 05:52.08 | ashbert | does anyone know the repo for getting aplay (alsa-utils) on the neo1973 ? |
| 05:52.11 | losingge1eration | xelapond: any luck with that? |
| 05:54.27 | xelapond | losingge1eration: trying it now |
| 05:57.22 | xelapond | losingge1eration: fixed, thanks! |
| 05:57.41 | losingge1eration | that should probably be fixed upstream by someone |
| 05:58.25 | losingge1eration | took me about a half hour the first time I tried building it to figure out what exactly was causing it to fail, and what needed to be done to fix it |
| 05:59.10 | xelapond | hm |
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| 08:57.08 | d-b | hi does any one know when the newer android image will be posted / the status of that seeing cupcake is outish .. right ? |
| 08:57.45 | igor321 | cupcake is being worked on |
| 08:57.55 | igor321 | one dude managed to compile it |
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| 08:58.11 | igor321 | besides that, i dunno |
| 08:58.24 | d-b | k |
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| 10:46.10 | ccfly | anyone knows if devel mailing list is even active anymore ? |
| 10:48.29 | tig| | well the last post on there was about an hour ago |
| 10:49.48 | tig| | oo and FSO MS5 was released too |
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| 10:51.41 | ccfly | tigI: In that case Gmane is acting weird, last post shown was made in July 2008 |
| 10:52.42 | tig| | possibly :) http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Devel-f528198.html |
| 10:52.58 | ccfly | thank you |
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| 11:02.42 | ccfly | btw, anyone knows why Qt is not a part of OM toolchain ? |
| 11:04.27 | dns53 | it isn't? how is 2008.* there |
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| 11:13.58 | ccfly | ok I'm looking into 20080916 toolchain from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/ |
| 11:14.19 | ccfly | it's very basic no additional libraries / heders used in standard OM image |
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| 11:15.05 | ccfly | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain |
| 11:15.09 | gfather | hello guys |
| 11:15.20 | ccfly | hello |
| 11:15.40 | ccfly | well I guess you have to put everything into it by hand |
| 11:15.57 | gfather | when is the new shr image ? |
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| 12:05.02 | panicking | Hi all |
| 12:05.11 | panicking | I'm working on android |
| 12:05.22 | panicking | I'm michael |
| 12:05.27 | panicking | I have some question about alsa |
| 12:05.40 | panicking | Is there some alsa programmer? |
| 12:05.58 | lindi- | panicking: kernel stuff? |
| 12:06.04 | panicking | no |
| 12:06.09 | panicking | user programming |
| 12:06.44 | lindi- | i think i have only used it through SEDL |
| 12:06.46 | lindi- | SDL |
| 12:06.58 | panicking | Ok |
| 12:07.16 | panicking | You set a buffer for alsa |
| 12:07.31 | panicking | and your write does't fill |
| 12:07.36 | panicking | the buffer |
| 12:07.40 | panicking | when the data is sync |
| 12:07.42 | panicking | ? |
| 12:07.44 | panicking | ex |
| 12:07.47 | panicking | buffer 10000 |
| 12:07.51 | panicking | write 5000 |
| 12:08.10 | panicking | I see the snd_pcm_drai |
| 12:08.14 | panicking | drain |
| 12:10.03 | lindi- | panicking: i haven't used raw alsa api i think |
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| 12:13.01 | panicking | well, |
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| 12:14.02 | panicking | So, nothing I'm looking twrow the documentation |
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| 12:24.18 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4910 10/developers/werner/smallsys/README: |
| 12:24.18 | CIA-49 | openmoko: We need developers/werner/ in the SVN hierarchy and pass the |
| 12:24.18 | CIA-49 | openmoko: correct path to the SVN base if it can't be auto-detected. |
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| 12:52.59 | gfather | hello guys , anyone good with sound configuration stuff ? |
| 12:53.21 | lindi- | gfather: what kind of question is that? ;) |
| 12:53.33 | laen | i think it's a very good question |
| 12:53.37 | laen | it makes me laugh >_< |
| 12:53.42 | gfather | lindi- :D |
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| 12:53.58 | gfather | lindi- can i send you the alsa file ? |
| 12:54.08 | gfather | so u can understand my question |
| 12:54.10 | lindi- | gfather: better put it online somewhere |
| 12:54.13 | gfather | ok |
| 12:56.20 | panicking | It is ok the alsa file now? |
| 12:56.47 | lindi- | panicking: ? |
| 12:57.47 | gfather | panicking im trying to see how may provide better configuration , couse there are some stuff i dont understand |
| 12:57.47 | panicking | yes |
| 12:58.11 | panicking | I match the entry with the driver |
| 12:58.12 | laen | lol |
| 12:58.26 | panicking | And I increase one of them |
| 13:00.30 | gfather | lindi- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2xdzkk51zmt |
| 13:01.17 | gfather | pleas chek it out |
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| 13:04.01 | lindi- | gfather: looks pretty empty |
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| 13:04.14 | lindi- | gfather: where's the file? |
| 13:04.20 | gfather | lindi- empty ? |
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| 13:04.47 | gfather | there is a click here to download the file on the site , u dont see it ? |
| 13:04.58 | henk | just use a goddamn pastebin... |
| 13:05.12 | gfather | ok |
| 13:05.18 | lindi- | gfather: $ lynx -dump http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2xdzkk51zmt | grep click |
| 13:05.22 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.32 | lindi- | gfather: the page does not have "click" anywhere |
| 13:06.05 | gfather | ill use pastebin |
| 13:06.42 | henk | some strange script or whatever changes some other text (checking bla) to 'click here...' |
| 13:07.08 | gfather | http://pastebin.com/m78f0b4b6 |
| 13:07.20 | gfather | here is pastebin |
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| 13:12.39 | lindi- | gfather: ah that is alsa configuration file and not state file |
| 13:14.14 | gfather | lindi- yes |
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| 13:20.19 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r31aa07faefff 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: don't fail when requesting a timestamp |
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| 13:26.30 | gfather | lindi- ? |
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| 13:32.56 | calamarz | PaulFertser: thanx for your help yesterday... Now I have my FR working with an external usb dongle that goes into monitor mode perfectly :) |
| 13:34.12 | calamarz | I'm going to document the process... basically now we have what neo-pwn people are selling by 80$ :) |
| 13:34.45 | calamarz | a pen-testing platform in your pocket! |
| 13:34.57 | henk | hm? |
| 13:35.10 | henk | what did you do? |
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| 13:35.49 | calamarz | apply some aircrack-ng patches to kernel and compile it... not so difficult unless it is your first time |
| 13:35.52 | lindi- | gfather: no i don't know why you need such a large alsa configuration file |
| 13:36.31 | henk | calamarz: ah ok... please tell me where you document it. i just set up an environment for compiling my own kernel, so i'm interested :) |
| 13:37.11 | gfather | lindi- hmm , can you edit it , like put better configurations ? |
| 13:37.13 | calamarz | i'll document it in the next hours, now it's lunch time... and i'll drop a note to community list also |
| 13:37.30 | lindi- | gfather: i don't understand why you need alsa configuration file here |
| 13:37.34 | henk | calamarz: nice, thanks! :) |
| 13:37.34 | husku | calamarz: im also interested in using moko to do some pentests. |
| 13:37.48 | husku | calamarz: ok. |
| 13:37.51 | gfather | lindi- it is used for android |
| 13:38.27 | panicking | Do you know if openmoko |
| 13:38.33 | lindi- | gfather: why does it need it? |
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| 13:38.34 | panicking | can create hardware on demand |
| 13:38.35 | panicking | ? |
| 13:38.38 | calamarz | husku: think we could collect some configuration scripts to work on a debian installation... I guess we have all we need into the debian repos |
| 13:38.58 | gfather | lindi- to configure volumes and such |
| 13:39.10 | lindi- | gfather: aren't those in the state files? |
| 13:39.49 | gfather | no |
| 13:39.55 | gfather | in hat file |
| 13:40.02 | gfather | *that |
| 13:40.08 | husku | calamarz: sounds reasonable :) |
| 13:40.27 | calamarz | yet another moko project :) |
| 13:41.24 | calamarz | just to annoy the slashdotted neo-pwn people... it makes me happy |
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| 13:44.19 | lindi- | gfather: i keep volume settings in alsa state file |
| 13:44.53 | gfather | lindi- on android ? |
| 13:46.00 | lindi- | gfather: isn't android just userland stuff? |
| 13:46.34 | gfather | not sure |
| 13:47.37 | lindi- | gfather: figure that out first :) |
| 13:48.22 | gfather | :) oks |
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| 13:49.49 | zem_ | I missed the fork to android.... |
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| 13:52.26 | laen | neo-pwn was slashdottet? |
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| 13:59.10 | Dave | LAEN |
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| 14:03.43 | calamarz | laen: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/21/1730256&from=rss |
| 14:03.57 | laen | DAVE |
| 14:04.42 | laen | calamarz: thanks :) |
| 14:05.08 | Dave | :) |
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| 14:06.02 | gfather | lindi- yes :) |
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| 14:12.24 | gfather | lindi- yes , android is userland , |
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| 14:50.41 | toggles_w | anyone using ms5 illume? |
| 14:51.30 | tig| | not yet I was going to flash it later today |
| 14:51.55 | toggles_w | hmm.. mine just stops at an angstrom login, no x |
| 14:53.38 | Erl__ | Where in the system do AT commands to the GSM modem such as AT%N... to set echo cancellation or +CLVL to set call volume get sent? |
| 14:53.43 | Dave | /o\ |
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| 14:57.39 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
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| 14:59.32 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Dave |
| 14:59.35 | nuclear_eclipse | what's new? |
| 15:00.06 | Dave | Well, I haven't sold my soul like you have ;) |
| 15:00.21 | Dave | but other than that, nothing new :) |
| 15:00.22 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 15:00.25 | toggles_w | Dave: you running android? |
| 15:00.45 | Dave | I mean, it's not like you went out an bought an iphone... so.... |
| 15:00.48 | Dave | could be worse :P |
| 15:00.54 | Dave | I suppose ¬_¬ |
| 15:01.12 | Dave | but hey, at least you've got Net, right? ;) |
| 15:01.23 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm actually quite surprised at how "open" the G1 is, hardware wise, other than the sorely missing ability to boot unsigned firmware images... |
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| 15:02.08 | Dave | Apple could learn a thing or two? |
| 15:02.13 | nuclear_eclipse | definitely |
| 15:02.50 | Dave | haha |
| 15:02.55 | Dave | still, fucking tentacles... |
| 15:03.21 | nuclear_eclipse | I like the way that Google implemented application "intents" in Android, so that applications can access and modify just about anything on the phone, but it still lets the user know exactly what things they're giving an app access to, before they install it |
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| 15:04.06 | th0br0 | umm is tangoGPS working for everyone here? |
| 15:04.36 | th0br0 | i can't get it to find connect properly to the gpsd |
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| 15:04.44 | th0br0 | gpsd is always reporting a timeout sending data to clients |
| 15:04.45 | spydon | on which dist? |
| 15:05.04 | Dave | haha intents |
| 15:05.10 | nuclear_eclipse | eg, when I try to install an app, it lists out every "intent" the application has requested, and then I can see whether or not I want to let the app access those pieces, so for instance, a card game can't access the internet or my device settings, or whatever else, without me knowing that it will, before I install it |
| 15:05.12 | th0br0 | shf-unstable |
| 15:05.28 | Dave | Apple: "Intents: TENTACLES, TENTACLES, OH... AND DID WE FORGET TO MENTION THE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE" |
| 15:05.29 | th0br0 | eeh shr :D |
| 15:05.37 | Dave | Enjoy! |
| 15:05.59 | leinir | Tentacles? ;) |
| 15:06.26 | nuclear_eclipse | now, if only Android were completely working on the Freerunner, I wouldn't have been *forced* to do the unthinkable and buy a G1 :P |
| 15:07.21 | nuclear_eclipse | however, I do wish that Android allowed developers to write apps in something other than Java... |
| 15:07.23 | th0br0 | spaetz, any ideas? |
| 15:08.01 | th0br0 | eeh sorry, spydon :) |
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| 15:08.47 | spaetz | gpsd works fine on my fso-gpsd |
| 15:08.48 | Dave | :P |
| 15:08.54 | th0br0 | mmh :S |
| 15:09.10 | th0br0 | it should work out of the box though, doesn't it? |
| 15:09.11 | Dave | AHA, SO THAT'S WHY YOUR NICK HAS "ECLIPSE" IN IT!!! :O |
| 15:09.23 | calamarz | toggles_w: has ms5 been finally released? |
| 15:09.24 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, I'm on to you... ¬_¬ |
| 15:09.30 | th0br0 | (and yeah, it worked in the beginning, but it isn't currently, and it is failing) |
| 15:10.21 | nuclear_eclipse | got his nickname long before Eclipse was ever created.... |
| 15:10.53 | Dave | A likely story! |
| 15:10.56 | toggles_w | calamarz: sure has http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/ |
| 15:11.08 | Dave | zomg fso5 |
| 15:11.15 | toggles_w | illume doesn't work for me, i have moved back to shr |
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| 15:11.52 | calamarz | toggles_w: i'm gotta flash it right now... i quitted to shr also, sms were getting messed up... |
| 15:12.25 | calamarz | toggles_w: so your problem is when booting you dont see anything past angstrom login ? |
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| 15:13.37 | anttna | anttna_a |
| 15:13.42 | toggles_w | calamarz: thats is correct |
| 15:13.51 | anttna | /back |
| 15:14.24 | anttna | doh! sorry i'm tying badly |
| 15:15.16 | andred | toggles_w: are you using qi? |
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| 15:15.39 | anttna | typing :( |
| 15:15.58 | toggles_w | andred: i am! :-) |
| 15:16.45 | andred | toggles_w: try booting it with uboot, it worked fine for me then |
| 15:17.19 | toggles_w | andred: where do you put the kernel? |
| 15:17.53 | toggles_w | i guess i mean to boot from uSd |
| 15:18.16 | andred | no idea |
| 15:18.30 | toggles_w | lol, wiki it is |
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| 15:19.30 | henk | whether x starts or not has to do with the bootloader? i can hardly believe that... |
| 15:22.13 | calamarz | henk: that's said in the comm list |
| 15:22.38 | openfree | anyone know ext2load u-boot command? say, i want load uSD partition 2, should "ext2load mmc 0:2 0x32000000 uImage.bin"? note, '0:2'? |
| 15:22.51 | henk | calamarz: where? |
| 15:23.12 | calamarz | toggles_w: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2261004 |
| 15:23.46 | calamarz | nicola reply seem to give some workaround |
| 15:24.08 | calamarz | henk: that above is the thread |
| 15:24.21 | toggles_w | calamarz: thanks mate |
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| 15:25.51 | henk | hm i'd be interested in the solution... |
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| 15:26.46 | toggles_w | henk: there is a "solution: at the end of calamarz's link |
| 15:26.49 | henk | openfree: they are explained in the wiki... |
| 15:26.51 | toggles_w | i'm about to try it |
| 15:27.16 | henk | toggles_w: so you think it actually IS the ro parameter? |
| 15:27.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2ee01b6557fb 10/html/ (index.html usage-intro.html): start with introduction to FSO resource handling |
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| 15:32.44 | toggles_w | henk: yep, the last solution worked for me |
| 15:32.52 | toggles_w | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2261004 |
| 15:34.08 | henk | good :) so i was right... |
| 15:34.46 | toggles_w | henk: you were! |
| 15:34.51 | toggles_w | pats henk on the back |
| 15:35.08 | henk | :-p |
| 15:36.39 | toggles_w | heh, no zhone though... :-( |
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| 15:40.52 | toggles_w | fires up the bbq, roo tail soup anyone? |
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| 17:19.47 | loca|host | i'm guessing wich protocol does the "Chat" feature is using on the Nokia phones ? |
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| 17:20.33 | calamarz | toggles_w: are you still there? |
| 17:20.46 | calamarz | i've flashed ms5 and it works ok for me, zhone included |
| 17:21.08 | calamarz | sms are handled in a much coherent way, btw |
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| 17:24.33 | loca|host | any idea ? |
| 17:26.12 | max_posedon | loca|host, xmpp?(jabber) |
| 17:26.30 | henk | hu? |
| 17:26.41 | henk | nokia uses xmpp? O |
| 17:26.42 | henk | -o |
| 17:27.06 | loca|host | that's why ... i dont think nokia uses xmpp .. |
| 17:27.18 | loca|host | i thought there were something standard in GSM world |
| 17:27.23 | loca|host | just like the PTT |
| 17:28.07 | toggles_w | calamarz: what version? i used illume, i had to opkg install it |
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| 17:33.52 | calamarz | toggles_w: I flashed http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and it came with illume |
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| 17:40.04 | panicking | hi all |
| 17:40.08 | moocowmason | Hello, I got the neo 1973 qemu emulation to work but when I select boot I see the boot image and then it goes back to the boot menu. I am getting close to getting this to work I think. Can anyone help? |
| 17:40.30 | toggles_w | calamarz: hmm, i use the actual illume, needed the qi fix and the opkg for zhone.. does your suspend? |
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| 17:54.34 | moocowmason | Does anybody know how to make qemu have more verbose output? |
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| 18:05.15 | moocowmason | Is it possible to run the freerunner under qemu? |
| 18:08.12 | shellevil | yes |
| 18:08.23 | shellevil | or you mean qemu on he freerunner? |
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| 18:10.03 | moocowmason | nope |
| 18:10.15 | shellevil | qemu should be on the wiki |
| 18:11.08 | moocowmason | I guess what I meant to ask is the lastest gta02 build running on qemu? I am wondering which I should build gta01 or 02 |
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| 18:13.22 | shellevil | ah |
| 18:13.33 | shellevil | As I understand it, latest builds may have issues with g |
| 18:13.36 | shellevil | ta01 |
| 18:14.13 | shellevil | and I've not used qemu to run it for >1 year, so have forgotten what little i knew |
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| 18:38.48 | baba_melone | Hi, I have downloaded FSO MS5 recently, the full version with all the extra softwra |
| 18:39.00 | baba_melone | but it doesnt start completely |
| 18:39.03 | baba_melone | X wont start |
| 18:39.13 | baba_melone | and i cannot connect to it via ssh |
| 18:39.25 | baba_melone | because there is no usb interface on my desktop |
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| 18:39.36 | henk | baba_melone: are you using qi? |
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| 18:39.43 | baba_melone | yes |
| 18:39.49 | baba_melone | why? |
| 18:40.04 | bumbl | use uboot |
| 18:40.15 | bernt | or create the links ... |
| 18:40.32 | baba_melone | what links |
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| 18:40.45 | henk | don't use uboot. qi is the better choice... |
| 18:41.06 | bumbl | use temporary uboot |
| 18:41.14 | bernt | uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 18:41.30 | henk | 163252 < toggles_w> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2261004 |
| 18:41.34 | bumbl | (nor uboot) |
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| 18:41.48 | henk | baba_melone: there's a solution that worked for toggles_w |
| 18:42.50 | baba_melone | k |
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| 18:45.02 | bernt | baba_melone: but you can use the uboot of the NOR. |
| 18:46.27 | losinggeneration | bernt: just curious, why would he want to do that instead of just using qi? |
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| 18:47.34 | bernt | perhaps the kernel is named umimage or something else ... I dont know, havent tried MS5 |
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| 18:51.00 | henk | the kernel is in nand... |
| 18:51.16 | henk | the filename shouldn't matter afaik |
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| 19:16.49 | toggles_w | oh yeah.. the pink slips are flying... |
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| 19:23.07 | henk | lol |
| 19:26.40 | henk | hm i flashed fso ms5 but it seems to not register as dcd ethernet device to the host. i need to change the boot params for it though. can i do that from my debian or how can i get ssh working? |
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| 19:30.26 | jopk | hi |
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| 19:30.48 | Aragorn | hi |
| 19:31.34 | Aragorn | can anyone test gtick pls? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTick ... I want some feedback before I upload it on opkg.org |
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| 19:55.27 | Aragorn | is the community sleeping? what's the best time to find someone online? |
| 19:55.48 | mirko-paroli | Aragorn: depends which country :) |
| 19:56.16 | Aragorn | does this matter? |
| 19:56.23 | mirko-paroli | well |
| 19:56.31 | mirko-paroli | if you want asian community than now is bad |
| 19:56.45 | mirko-paroli | guess now is europe and some in the americas |
| 19:57.14 | Aragorn | I want someone who tests my app .. :) |
| 19:57.19 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 19:57.22 | mirko-paroli | what kind of app? |
| 19:57.37 | mirko-paroli | the easiest is probably to write a mail to the devel list |
| 19:58.00 | Aragorn | gtick, a metronome |
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| 20:19.43 | bove2 | should I use ext2 or ext3 for shr's rootfs on a sd card? |
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| 20:25.10 | Aragorn | bove2: they should both work |
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| 20:37.33 | bove2 | Aragorn: thanks |
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| 20:41.11 | bove2 | I did ext3, but get kernel panic unable to mount root fs. hmm... |
| 20:44.11 | toggles_w | bove2: bootloader? |
| 20:44.58 | toggles_w | bove2: ignore me, you're talking rootfs |
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| 21:13.20 | bove2 | the rootfs partition also refuses to umount from my laptop, even after reformatting. any ideas? |
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| 21:16.59 | lindi- | bove2: what exact umount command are you using? |
| 21:18.01 | bove | umount -f |
| 21:18.08 | lindi- | bove2: no other arguments? |
| 21:18.36 | bove | tried specifying both device and mount point |
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| 21:20.14 | bove | hey..! it's working again. I rewrote the partition table, formated to ext2 and untared the rootfs again. |
| 21:20.40 | bove | but XServer wont start because of "read only file system" |
| 21:21.21 | shellevil | ou need a r/w tempdir |
| 21:21.30 | shellevil | so it can stick the named pipes somewhere |
| 21:24.09 | bove2 | the console seems to complain about "read only" all over the partition |
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| 21:27.12 | spaetz | yep, it's a current error. |
| 21:27.36 | spaetz | the bootloader mounts the root partition ro |
| 21:27.54 | bove | ok. should I skip to an older package? or can I force rw? |
| 21:28.16 | spaetz | there's a description somewhere |
| 21:28.41 | spaetz | uboot should not use ro as kernel parameter |
| 21:28.59 | spaetz | sorry no better link handy |
| 21:29.19 | bove | thanks anyway, I'll my self |
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| 21:43.34 | bove2 | Now I'm strugling to reconfigure uboot for android, +2MB kernel support |
| 21:44.24 | bove2 | I've found instructions for osx, but they don't seem to work under ubuntu |
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| 21:56.12 | vanous123 | hi |
| 21:56.36 | vanous123 | i am trying to edit my boot env but no luck |
| 21:56.56 | vanous123 | so far i borked it (can still get menu but it doesn't work) |
| 21:57.08 | vanous123 | anyone has used the devirginator? |
| 21:58.02 | SM2k | vanous123: are you sure you need to go that far? |
| 21:58.38 | vanous123 | SM2k: well, i could probably retype the whole thing but as it did support copy/paste this would be a nightmare |
| 21:58.52 | toggles_w | vanous123: devirginator? |
| 21:58.52 | vanous123 | unless copy/paste was just an issue of my terminal orgram...? |
| 21:59.00 | SM2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator |
| 21:59.16 | vanous123 | i get: |
| 21:59.16 | vanous123 | laptop-vanek:/tmp/devirginator# ./envedit.pl -D GTA02 -i env.in -f environment.in -o env.out |
| 21:59.16 | vanous123 | warning: environment is 262144 bytes, expected 16384 |
| 21:59.16 | vanous123 | CRC error: expected 0xa05a35aa, got 0xffffffff |
| 21:59.29 | vanous123 | and so i am supposed to add -s |
| 22:00.00 | vanous123 | if i do, i still get: CRC error: expected 0x903a1b39, got 0xffffffff |
| 22:00.20 | vanous123 | here is the whole thing: |
| 22:00.20 | vanous123 | laptop-vanek:/tmp/devirginator# ./envedit.pl -s 262144 -D GTA02 -i env.in -f environment.in -o env.out |
| 22:00.20 | vanous123 | CRC error: expected 0x903a1b39, got 0xffffffff |
| 22:00.47 | vanous123 | any idea? |
| 22:01.02 | lindi- | vanous123: put environment.in online? |
| 22:01.04 | SM2k | never used that tool before mate. I stick to dfu-util |
| 22:01.14 | lindi- | vanous123: and env.in |
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| 22:01.23 | lindi- | SM2k: how do you generate the CRC? |
| 22:01.29 | vanous123 | SM2k: but can you uploas env by dfu-util? |
| 22:01.36 | lindi- | vanous123: sure |
| 22:01.47 | vanous123 | hmm |
| 22:02.00 | SM2k | lindi-: eh? was that meant for me? |
| 22:02.31 | lindi- | sorry |
| 22:02.33 | SM2k | vanous123: I *assume* what you're trying to do is to get your device back into a usable state |
| 22:02.36 | lindi- | SM2k: yes |
| 22:02.41 | lindi- | SM2k: how do you generate the CRC? |
| 22:02.47 | vanous123 | SM2k: yes |
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| 22:03.31 | SM2k | vanous123: and for that you basically need a uboot (sounds like that may be working, so no need to alter it) a kernel and a rootfs image. dfu-util is capable of inserting all three into their respective partitions |
| 22:03.44 | SM2k | lindi-: I don't know the context of your question or how to respond |
| 22:03.52 | lindi- | SM2k: uboot_env begins with CRC |
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| 22:05.24 | vanous123 | SM2k: i flashed uboot but if i boot into NAND i get only one item on my menu, says "Boot" but will not boot |
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| 22:08.40 | SM2k | vanous123: normally there's more options than that of course. I don't know if it's your NAND or your kernel that's got issues.. |
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| 22:10.49 | bove2 | cool. there's a pulsating android logo on my freerunner |
| 22:11.12 | SM2k | bove2: sweet! pictures or it didn't happen! |
| 22:11.22 | bove2 | still pulsating... |
| 22:11.39 | lindi- | SM2k: the menu is just configuration issue |
| 22:12.00 | vanous123 | lindi-: but how do you restore it? |
| 22:12.04 | SM2k | lindi-: didn't know that. haven't played with it much |
| 22:12.11 | bove2 | but the android splash means I'm passed the 2.4MB kernel, right? |
| 22:12.20 | SM2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 22:12.25 | lindi- | vanous123: i think it has an option to ignore crc |
| 22:12.31 | SM2k | vanous123: ahve you read that? ^^^ |
| 22:12.45 | vanous123 | lindi-: but then it somehow dumps it into terminal |
| 22:13.29 | bove2 | SM2k: there it got one step further says "press menu to unlock SIM" |
| 22:14.50 | vanous123 | SM2k: i can flash kernel and uboot but this will not change the boot env |
| 22:15.09 | lindi- | vanous123: really? |
| 22:15.10 | bove2 | and now the screen went black with seemingly no way to wake it |
| 22:15.13 | SM2k | could you clarify. I think of those as the same thing |
| 22:15.33 | vanous123 | lindi-: or will it? |
| 22:15.49 | vanous123 | than my menu would be back but it doesn't |
| 22:16.01 | SM2k | vanous123: it's precisely the issue you describe that would motivate me to start flashing partitions |
| 22:16.34 | DavidTalbot | hello, i have an glofiish m800 smartphone, are there any reports about this phone? and is there a chance to install openmoko without removing windows mobile for testings? |
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| 22:16.45 | SpeedEvil | Unlikely. |
| 22:16.54 | vanous123 | SM2k: i reflashed uboot and kernel and am flashing rootfs now but i am sure this will not help |
| 22:16.55 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, OM barely works on the release hardware. |
| 22:17.11 | SpeedEvil | Any other hardware is entirely your own effort. |
| 22:17.37 | shyam_k | SpeedEvil: hai:) |
| 22:17.56 | SM2k | bove2: I have never seen what you describe. if I were in your shoes I'd try yanking the battery pack out right about now. |
| 22:18.06 | SM2k | and unplugging it of course |
| 22:18.11 | vanous123 | SM2k: there is the mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "u-boot_env" |
| 22:18.18 | bove2 | SM2k: It's probably the same as you described, but I cannot find documentation for it. But did I read somewhere that SIM PIN had to be disabled before android? |
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| 22:24.36 | SM2k | bove2: I wouldn't know |
| 22:25.44 | SM2k | ok. calling it quits for today. catch you guys later. |
| 22:25.49 | bove2 | bye |
| 22:25.56 | bove2 | thanks for the help |
| 22:26.33 | badcloud | how can I crank up the volume for my ringtone? |
| 22:26.39 | badcloud | I can barely hear it |
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| 23:07.52 | bove | any Android users in here now? I'm can't connect to wifi couse the password dialog blocks the onscreen keyboard, and I can't pair with a bluetooth keyboard for the same reason |
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| 23:18.35 | walker | hello |
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| 23:21.25 | toggles_w | walker: hello |
| 23:21.35 | badcloud | I can't $%^&* believe this |
| 23:21.42 | badcloud | ash can't find opkg |
| 23:22.43 | badcloud | anyone know where I can find a compatible binary? |
| 23:22.48 | walker | is om 2008.12 ready for general usage? i haven't really followed the prgress for som months now :S |
| 23:25.34 | badcloud | how the crap could it have just disappeared...? |
| 23:27.47 | toggles_w | walker: dont know, i've been using shr and now playing with ms5 as my daily and im pretty happy |
| 23:27.56 | badcloud | 'shutdown' too? WTF...? |
| 23:28.43 | badcloud | oh oh oh..., I ssh-ed to the wrong box... boy, am I out of it... |
| 23:28.51 | badcloud | sorryyyyyy |
| 23:29.26 | badcloud | em*ba*rassing |
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| 23:37.33 | walker | hmm, don't think i actually ever tried shr... any good? how's the UI? |
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| 23:42.39 | toggles_w | walker: ui is illume, right now its slow, though i hear it's fixed as of todays stable but it wont compile for me |
| 23:42.56 | walker | hmm... you compile your own? |
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| 23:43.01 | toggles_w | i'd stick with shr but their contacts amanager is a pita, but the rest is good |
| 23:43.14 | toggles_w | walker: on occasion |
| 23:43.31 | toggles_w | git borked totay and then so did bitbake, will try again tonight |
| 23:43.32 | walker | cool... never really figured out to set up the environment for it... |
| 23:43.54 | toggles_w | they have a good web page, seemed to work fine for me |
| 23:44.24 | walker | okay... well, haven't really spend too much time looking into it... far too busy :( |
| 23:45.12 | toggles_w | walker: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR |
| 23:45.23 | walker | anyway, up til now, qtextended been the image i've thought closest to a usable image |
| 23:45.33 | toggles_w | just don't believe them when they tell you to build shr-testing build unstable ;-) |
| 23:45.41 | walker | hey, thanx... i might try it some day |
| 23:45.51 | toggles_w | or download their unstable |
| 23:45.52 | walker | hehe, okay |
| 23:46.34 | walker | just downloaded the binary images... should work too, right? |
| 23:46.42 | toggles_w | yep |
| 23:46.58 | vanous123 | SM2k: ok, justs for the record - i found http://om.quatrox.org/om/env.org and this could be edited by envedit.pl |
| 23:47.04 | toggles_w | work fine, though e is a little cpu hungry for some |
| 23:47.41 | walker | okay... well, in my past i was a huge compiler... build my own linux-workstations with linuxfromscratch... |
| 23:48.00 | toggles_w | you can put gentoo on it if you want |
| 23:48.26 | walker | hehe, yea, i've heard... even seen a screenshot of OM running kde |
| 23:48.46 | toggles_w | wow, that i'd like to see ;-) |
| 23:49.25 | walker | loong time ago, though... |
| 23:50.48 | walker | does wifi work on shr? |
| 23:51.08 | lindi- | wifi is kernel stuff |
| 23:51.32 | jaj | but the shr wifi gui actually works |
| 23:51.33 | walker | yea, but is wpa_supplicant setup? |
| 23:51.38 | walker | nice |
| 23:51.47 | lindi- | has improved a lot in andy-tracking branch but the proprietary code still has many bugs and it is not clear if they can be workarounded |
| 23:52.29 | walker | how about gps? |
| 23:52.33 | walker | i |
| 23:52.54 | walker | i've only had gps working once, a long time ago with gtk |
| 23:53.04 | lindi- | walker: gps is just a serial port to the kernel. it just needs a program to talk to that serial port |
| 23:53.26 | jaj | screw atheros |
| 23:53.32 | lindi- | walker: I use plain old gpsd on debian, have been using it on other systems for years |
| 23:53.56 | lindi- | walker: it is very very stable |
| 23:54.08 | walker | hmm, too bad... |
| 23:54.54 | walker | wish i had time to do some development on it :S |
| 23:55.46 | walker | atheros is a pain |
| 23:56.07 | jaj | in the beginning atheros were supposed to give free information for the chip in the freerunner |
| 23:56.15 | jaj | s/information/documentation/ |
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| 23:56.48 | lindi- | walker: anyways, sound recording and AT command parser are top priority for me right now, wlan is stable enough to wait for a while |
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| 23:57.09 | walker | okay, sounds ok :) |
| 23:57.40 | walker | well, the most important must be calling in/out and sms, right? |
| 23:57.52 | toggles_w | walker: oh, none of that works |
| 23:57.57 | lindi- | walker: AT parser is a requirement for that |
| 23:58.00 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 23:58.06 | walker | yea, sure... |
| 23:58.09 | walker | hehe |
| 23:58.42 | walker | just having a hard time getting used to typing on touchscreen, i think |
| 23:59.33 | trains | Hi, i'm trying to boot FSO Milestone 5 from the SD card, but i keep seeing error messages at boot saying the file system is read-only. X never starts and usb0 net interface is not active. Anyone has any ideia how to solve this? |
| 23:59.51 | walker | wish for just a simple numeric keypad with the letters on it... for message writing... |
| 23:59.53 | toggles_w | trains: qi? |
| 23:59.59 | mickeyl | trains: this has been discussed on the list |