IRC log for #openmoko on 20090202

00:07.59CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r84a06edf1482 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
00:07.59CIA-49freesmartphone.org: do not use openpty for allocating pseudo ttys; with posix_openpt we actually get HUP signalized
00:07.59CIA-49freesmartphone.org: (which is what we want).
00:08.00CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r930a3e6b3c7f 10/src/ (channel.vala consts.vala multiplexer.vala server.vala): start to emit actual errors, not just quit the program
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00:32.01Dave:o
00:32.15Davepoor fxchip
00:37.37CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb83f1d53f155 10/ (README src/consts.vala src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): add README and make AllocChannel(<name>, 0) return the next free VC
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03:28.18xelapondHi everyone
03:28.45xelapondwhat kind of download speeds do you get on the "2.5g" service?
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03:30.26FxChiP|DyinglySisteelers win
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04:45.36mrgarlici just installed qtopia on freerunner for first time
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07:39.59methrilmorning
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07:59.52gfather1good morning
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08:07.34mick_laptophi everyone - i downloaded Om2008.12 -- what is the password for when i want to ssh into the phone?
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08:08.22gfather1mick_laptop nothing :)
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08:08.36gfather1just press enter
08:08.57mick_laptopi set the usb0 interface and i tried to ssh into it (like the older builds) -- it doesn't wfm
08:09.44mick_laptopusb0 is set to: inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
08:10.09gfather1mick_laptop did u route  ?
08:10.36mick_laptopwell it connects to it (i get permission denied)
08:10.45mick_laptopso presumably the route should be ok, or?
08:10.46mick_laptopssh root@192.168.0.202
08:10.47mick_laptoproot@192.168.0.202's password:
08:10.47mick_laptopPermission denied, please try again.
08:11.37mick_laptopthe route is there: 192.168.0.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
08:11.51gfather1mick_laptop hmm , thats strange , it shouldent have a pass , did u set a pass for it ?
08:12.12mick_laptopnope
08:12.14mick_laptop:(
08:12.38mick_laptopthe build that i flashed is from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
08:12.48gfather1mick_laptop i know it ,i have it
08:13.03gfather1listen try -r
08:13.14mick_laptopok, and you can ssh into yours w/ no password ? :-(
08:13.21gfather1yes
08:13.39gfather1ssh -r root@192.168.0.202
08:13.47gfather1mick_laptop UR ON UBUNTU ?
08:14.18mick_laptopyes
08:14.21mick_laptopwhy?
08:14.38gfather1try sudo
08:15.10mick_laptop-r isn't an option to ssh (afaik)
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08:15.30gfather1it supposed not to store tha pass
08:15.45gfather1maybe it was -R hmm ,
08:15.53gfather1not sure , but did u rtr sudo
08:15.56lindi--R is for tunnels
08:16.05lindi-ah you are talking about sudo options
08:16.08lindi-not openssh
08:16.18gfather1ah thats it :)
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08:17.18gfather1mick_laptop did sudo work
08:18.10mick_laptophow should i use sudo?
08:18.15mick_laptopsudo ssh...?
08:18.18gfather1yes
08:18.26mick_laptopit didn't work
08:18.45mick_laptopi tried as my user, and as my user w/ sudo, and i tried as root
08:19.01gfather1sudo ssh root@192.168.0.202
08:19.17mick_laptopyes, that is what i tried
08:19.22gfather1ok
08:19.26gfather1do sudo -s
08:19.30gfather1then ssh
08:19.34gfather1canu ping it ?
08:19.42mick_laptopyes
08:19.46gfather1ping -c4 192.168.0.202
08:20.19mick_laptoplike i said, i can ping it
08:20.57gfather1what does ssh says ?
08:21.02gfather1perm denied ?
08:21.21gfather1try to press any thing and enter ?
08:21.34mick_laptopperm denied
08:21.41gfather1err
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08:22.16gfather1mick_laptop after u flashed it , did u reboot ur device ?
08:22.24mick_laptopi even tried to move my .ssh directory (to make sure that it doesn't use my priv key, or if there is a known_hosts issue etc.) didn't work
08:22.36mick_laptopyes, i rebooted
08:22.49gfather1i mean the freerunner device
08:23.03mick_laptopthat is what i'm talking aboiut
08:23.18gfather1:S
08:23.24gfather1try to reboot it again
08:23.34gfather1and make sure no other device connected ot usb0
08:23.38mick_laptopi don't have my sim card in it (does that matter)?
08:23.53gfather1no ,
08:24.01mick_laptopyes it is connected -- i'm not an idiot
08:24.19gfather1i didnt say u are , im trying to help u troubleshoot
08:24.35mick_laptopand yes i can ping it (it has an ip)
08:24.38gfather1try to reboot the device again ,
08:24.48mick_laptopgfather1: no, some people really are idiots :)
08:25.07gfather1:)
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08:25.29mick_laptopalso -- it doesn't appear that the freerunner has a net connection
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08:25.38Hopscotchguten morgen
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08:26.07mick_laptopgsm doesn't pull maps either (it just says failed to download)
08:26.11gfather1ur routing has somethign wrong if it dosent get net , or the device somehow , not accepting connection , thats why im telling you to reboot again
08:26.14mick_laptopHopscotch: moin
08:26.33mick_laptopyes, i'm waiting on the reboot
08:26.38gfather1oks
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08:28.36mick_laptopsame issues
08:28.48mick_laptopthe way that i set the ip is: # /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202
08:29.19mick_laptop<PROTECTED>
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08:29.34mick_laptoproute shows that the route was added
08:30.47mick_laptopbtw - what happened to the wifi setting under "settings"
08:30.47gfather1mick_laptop gone :)
08:30.52mick_laptopi was thinking that i'd try wifi instead
08:30.57gfather1u have ot get net and downlaod a wifi stuff
08:31.01mick_laptopya - wtf :)
08:31.08gfather1:_)
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08:31.31gfather1lindi- do u have any suggestions , ?
08:31.50lindi-gfather1: for what?
08:32.15gfather1for mick_laptop ssh issue , i cant think of whats wronge with it
08:32.49lindi-mick_laptop: have you rebooted?
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08:34.43mick_laptopyes, a few times by now
08:35.31lindi-mick_laptop: cat /etc/shadow
08:35.35lindi-mick_laptop: what does dropbear log?
08:36.02mick_laptopah, i could just use minicom!
08:36.16mick_laptopin theory anyways
08:36.30mick_laptopis there a terminal in this build?
08:36.43mick_laptopi noticed that that was taken out too
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08:40.11gfather1going to office now
08:40.18mick_laptophave fun
08:40.28gfather1ill try :)
08:40.53mick_laptopwhat minicom settings would i need (and would minicom even work?)
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08:45.17nivmick_laptop: use screen... it is easier to handle
08:46.03niveasier than minicom :)
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08:51.53mick_laptopniv: what settings should i use?
08:54.44nivlet me guess, you don't have autosense enabled to your device which you want to access via console, do you?
08:54.57niv... or... which device do you want to access?
08:55.34nivif i want to access my freerunner via usb console, i just type "screen /dev/ttyUSB0" and i am happy :)
08:56.03nivalmost the same is for serial console...
08:59.11mick_laptopcrosses fingers
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09:02.30mick_laptopdamn, /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't exist
09:03.19mick_laptopneither do the other /dev/ttyS* devices that one would think woul exist
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09:04.02mick_laptopdo you think that my fstab entry might be screwing this up?
09:04.04mick_laptopusbfs   /proc/bus/usb   usbfs   defaults
09:04.19nivif i go to bootloader and set console to usb, the freerunner will tell me, he is an usb-serial-adapter
09:04.30nivno... it wont.
09:04.54nivthat fstab entry will not screw up your console.
09:05.40WonkattyACM0 it is, afair
09:05.59nivcould be.
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09:08.49mick_laptopyes, i can get in (when usb is set to serial console) -- but i can't boot the freerunner w/o it killing my console
09:09.27nivthats the same on my freerunner...
09:09.48nivafter i say "boot" there is no bootloader usb console anymore.
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09:10.00mick_laptopyes
09:10.11PaulFertser_mick_laptop: why don't you use ssh again?
09:10.13mick_laptopok, so console isn't an option i guess
09:10.24mick_laptopis there a terminal app on the phone somewhere?
09:10.36mick_laptopPaulFertser_: because it doesn't work
09:10.41PaulFertser_mick_laptop: how exactly?
09:10.43mick_laptoppermission denied
09:10.48PaulFertser_mick_laptop: more details needed
09:10.52PaulFertser_mick_laptop: pastebin it
09:11.16mick_laptopwhat exactly do you need?
09:11.27PaulFertser_mick_laptop: output of unsuccessful ssh attempt
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09:11.41PaulFertser_mick_laptop: with the command you use
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09:17.22mick_laptopPaulFertser_: http://pastebin.ca/1325185
09:18.56PaulFertser_mick_laptop: /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 ???
09:19.21PaulFertser_mick_laptop: that should be s/202/200/ , i guess
09:19.27mick_laptopyes, i did that to set the ip
09:19.33mick_laptopoh... fuck
09:20.02niv:)
09:20.29mick_laptopsame thing
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09:21.07mick_laptopsame thing w/ 192.168.0.200
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09:21.52PaulFertser_mick_laptop: double-check ifconfig and route settings. Probably arp will also give some clue.
09:22.12gfatherPaulFertser_  hay m8 . ,wassup
09:22.37PaulFertser_gfather: wassup, nigga :)
09:22.53gfather<PROTECTED>
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09:23.13gfatherans still mick_laptop cant ssh his om , damn
09:23.14PaulFertser_gfather: i'm on vacation. Enjoying cool weather outside. Like -15 -- -20 :)
09:23.17Wonkauses 192.168.0.200/30 for FR <-> PC communication
09:23.27mick_laptoproute has the same thing that is in the pastebin
09:23.29PaulFertser_mick_laptop: try ifconfig usb0 down
09:23.33gfatherwell its host to here in middel east ;)
09:23.35Wonka192.168.0.201 on the PC, 192.168.0.202 on the FR
09:23.36PaulFertser_mick_laptop: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up
09:24.17mick_laptopsame thing
09:24.53gfather<mick_laptop> sudo  wget -O /usr/bin/fr_usb http://om.quatrox.org/om/fr_usb.sh
09:25.07gfathersudo chmod +x /usr/bin/fr_usb
09:25.09mick_laptopi'll just make my ip address be 192.168.0.300
09:25.11PaulFertser_mick_laptop: if you didn't change root password on FR, i see no way how can that fail. Probably you still somehow try to connect to your local box instead of FR.
09:25.16gfathersudo fr_usb
09:25.19PaulFertser_mick_laptop: 300? ;)
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09:25.29PaulFertser_mick_laptop: you're a brave man ;)
09:25.34henkgfather: stop putting that stuff in /usr/bin! i have told you before that you are violating standards!
09:25.42mick_laptopdamn
09:25.47mick_laptopi mean 203
09:26.09mick_laptopdoing anything at 4am makes you either brave or an idiot
09:26.14gfatherhenk what standards ?
09:26.19henkgfather: FHS
09:26.22mick_laptopi think i'm leaning towards the latter
09:26.40gfatherhenk thats a script to rpute on ubuntu ?
09:27.10henkgfather: what?
09:28.05gfatherim didnt understand whats the problem ?
09:28.08henkwhatever it is: it does not belong to /usr/bin if it's not part of some sort of package (.deb, .ipkg)
09:28.25gfather<henk> ok  ill not do that
09:28.27PaulFertser_mick_laptop: if you tried to connect to your local box via 192.168.0.202 before and then you configured everything right, you should have seen a warning/error that the hostkey doesn't match.
09:28.43henkgfather: you are not supposed to put stuff in /usr/bin, /bin, and much more. your own stuff you install _without_ package management is supposed to go to /usr/local/
09:28.56mick_laptopyay :)
09:29.16gfatherhenk ok , sorry for misunderstanding
09:29.18mick_laptopPaulFertser_: i deleted that host entry in known_hosts
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09:29.25mick_laptopgfather: wfm
09:29.36mick_laptopthanks guys
09:29.37gfathermick_laptop ?
09:29.44mick_laptopwfm = worked for me
09:30.01gfathermick_laptop the script ?
09:30.05mick_laptopyes
09:30.08gfather;)
09:30.18mick_laptoproot@om-gta02:~#
09:30.18henkgfather: np at all, thanks for understanding :)
09:30.22mick_laptopgo me \o/
09:30.53PaulFertser_mick_laptop: i've never used any script to connect to FR...
09:31.02mick_laptopmight have been the ip -- since i was using 192.168.1.x to connect to 192.168.0.x
09:31.22mick_laptopi figured since the routing table had the entry that i'd be ok
09:31.28gfatherhenk  , it okay just wanted to help him ;) , yet still learning in linux , so im sure u have notified me for something important
09:32.06henkgfather: it's always good to know :) especially when writing your own software. check out other details about the FHS, it's quite interesting imho.
09:32.48PaulFertser_mick_laptop: doesn't look like that. Looks more like you tried to connect to yourself somehow, source ip shouldn't matter.
09:33.16gfatherhenk i didnt write that actually , but i use it for routing to om  , u can look @ it if you wan , it can help new comers to connect , without modifying routing them selves
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09:35.01gfatherPaulFertser_ im sure that his routing had something wrong
09:36.07PaulFertser_gfather: seems like that, yes. But he tried to use 192.168.0.202 on his desktop first, that might have contributed.
09:36.10henkgfather: i did have a look at it last time i told you to not put it in /usr/bin ;)
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09:36.56henkit's not really interesting for me since i need to know routing and such stuff like the back of my hand. so i have faster typed my commands than remembered what the script is called 'g'
09:38.51gfatherhenk i didnt say u needed to use that ;) , or any other power user ,
09:39.25gfatherPaulFertser_ yes , well i told him that in the morning but he told me that he was sure the he routed it right
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09:41.32mick_laptopeh i was missing: 192.168.0.202   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 usb0
09:42.19mick_laptopi thought that the first entry for usb0 was the only one that i needed
09:42.24mick_laptopoh well
09:42.27mick_laptop:)
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09:43.28lindi-henk: do you know some nice utility that would let me handle source routing nicely on a mobile device? in addition to "ifup" and "ifdown" i'd like to have some sort of "switch-default-route-to"
09:44.26lindi-henk: currently if I "ifup eth0" it will start wifi and set the default route there too. i'd like to to get the settings with dhcp but not apply them until I say so
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09:49.50henklindi-: no, i'm still looking for some nice config gui as well... dhcp3-client has a 'script' option, perhaps that can help?!
09:50.27lindi-henk: well i know i can write one but i'd like to look for existing stuff first
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09:50.49henklindi-: ok, sorry, don't know one. tell me if you find one :)
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11:18.13Zichmm, does wifi and GPS work on OM 2007 by default?
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11:19.18PaulFertser_Zic: btw, some new data about sms delivery reports.
11:19.35ZicPaulFertser_: cool, what's up so?
11:20.40PaulFertser_Zic: i've tried it "by hand" with mickeyterm and it works. But delivery reports are not stored on SIM, they get delivered directly by unsoliceted response. Almost everything needed to implement it is already there.
11:20.57PaulFertser_Zic: and nobody cares about OM2007 anymore, fyi.
11:22.46gfatherPaulFertser_ question , does sending commands to sim operator works ?
11:22.54ZicPaulFertser_: about SMS, can you resume somewhere what manipulations you are using?
11:23.01kgoetzrwhitby: i just realised (heh) that i dont know where you work
11:23.09PaulFertser_gfather: please clarify your question a bit, what exactly do you mean?
11:23.16gfatherlike on my old mobile , i used to send *116# to get current palance of my credit
11:23.27Zicand for OM2007, I know, (personnaly I will use SHR), but just take a look at OM2007 when I will receive my Freerunner
11:23.30PaulFertser_Zic: i could, but where and why? ;)
11:24.09PaulFertser_gfather: Ah, ussd requests. It worked in FSO at least from MS4. Probably it was available even earlier.
11:24.17ZicPaulFertser_: where? on the wiki for example. why? because it will be simpler for other users whose want return of receipt for their SMS :)
11:25.51PaulFertser_Zic: but what i did is basically checked that i understand how to implement it, not that i can propose any hacky way to implement it for everyday use. Moreover, there's a bug that will make it unreliable (before first suspend/resume): http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/339
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11:29.07ZicPaulFertser_: when you have tried, you received a return of receipt (any forms, don't care if it's viewed for the phone as a normal SMS reception)?
11:30.50Zic(in waiting the real implementation if somebody can implement it)
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11:32.08Zic(even if, I'll need to "do it by hand" every times, it just to test it before to try to purpose a hack)
11:33.37PaulFertser_Zic: i've seen unsolicited +CDS: reply in mickeyterm. Before that i issued +CNMI command there (it's effective only on the last channel where issued).
11:34.51ZicPaulFertser_: ok, thanks :)
11:37.10ZicPaulFertser_: as gfather's question: do you know if UUSD requests works with SHR or OM2008.12 ?
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11:37.26ZicUSSD*
11:37.51PaulFertser_Zic: it's supported in FSO in at least MS4, therefore it works in SHR. Probably it has no gui for that though.
11:38.03PaulFertser_Zic: and i don't care a bit about OM2008.x
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11:39.26ZicI will plane to do in that way -> test OM2007 installed by default in the FR -> upgrade ton OM2008 to test it a little -> test Hackable:1 because it's GNOME Mobile based and see whant it can do -> and finally test & use permanently SHR
11:39.27PaulFertser_Zic: but mdbus is ok for sending and receiving USSD. Recent zhone has support for that as well. And recent SHR (unstable) has gui support, now i remember that.
11:39.39ZicPaulFertser_: cool :)
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12:54.42frlhello i install a android image on fr
12:54.47frlcan anyone help me ?
12:54.56frli can not unluck the screen
12:55.34frlwhen i click the menu button i see the screen but there is only the message that i must unlock
12:55.39frlbut i can't
12:56.07frlplease help
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13:06.15openfreehi, i'm trying to use android distro, but the uImage bigger than 2M, must i adjust the uboot env?
13:07.51openfree"nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000" -> should change 0x200000 to 0x300000? should i change the nand partion too?
13:08.57lindi-openfree: are you trying to change the nand partition layout?
13:10.25openfreelindi, i don't know whether should i change or not, i just want to try android on my fr
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13:20.12SM2kdoes FSO have a woirking gps stack?
13:20.36SM2kthis dir doesn't exist: sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0
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13:22.40SM2kah. found it I think. it appears to be over here: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
13:24.37lindi-SM2k: stack?
13:24.45SM2kFSO
13:24.52SM2kOSF? :-)
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13:30.14frlcan anyone help me i can not unlock the new android openmoko Version
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14:38.15RaGoeHi I was wondering if there is any progress in simplifying the GSM/ Flash procedure to Moko10?
14:38.54max_posedonyou can use NeoTool instead of dfu-util
14:39.55max_posedonhm.. sorry, I thinked you are asking about flashing NAND...
14:40.25RaGoeno I need to flash the GSM module to be able to use my SIM card
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14:43.36slaxxinanybody tried kuppas kustomizer script for 2008.12 yet?
14:43.55PaulFertserRaGoe: the process of flashing IS simple enough
14:43.59slaxxinkurppa?
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14:45.36RaGoePaulFertser: well I will have to give it another go then, maybe i'm missing something
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14:46.31PaulFertserRaGoe: one suggestion: use ROM bootloader from the start, there's no sense to do any other way.
14:46.54PaulFertserRaGoe: i flashed my modem first time i tried, without any issues or doubts.
14:47.42ZicPaulFertser: hmm, SHR still saves received SMS in the SIM card?
14:47.55Zicor is it fixed now?
14:48.13RaGoePaulFertser: ok i'll look into it thnx
14:48.35ZicI like to archieve my received SMS like e-mail, and don't want to delete them when my SIM (which can handle only 10sms) is full
14:49.20PaulFertserZic: I don't think it's fixed, opimd is not yet adopted. BTW, i almost implemented submit reports, they're shown in the log or dbus but not by Zhone. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/340
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14:50.52ZicPaulFertser: thanks, and do you know if what are the point in other Freerunner distribution? (Qtopia, OM2008, Hackable:1...)
14:50.59Zics/if//
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14:53.55max_posedonZic, if you want just arhive(for example into CSV/HTML/xml) your sms-es it easyly can be done, just in small script.
14:54.28max_posedonqtopia storyes smses in sqlite3.
14:54.49Zicmax_posedon: is it simple and quick to re-read them after archiving ?
14:55.16max_posedon(qtopia stories in sqlite+fs)
14:55.32max_posedonZic, hm... re-read where? as for me "cat" is ok)
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14:56.08PaulFertserZic: I don't want to discuss qtopia in detail. I can say that it's developed in a very closed style and that their licensing rules are extra-offensive.
14:56.41PaulFertserZic: OM2008 is derivative from Qtopia, so same applies. Moreover, OM2008 was never properly designed.
14:57.05PaulFertserZic: H1 is an interesting initiative trying to breathe new life in 2007 stack.
14:57.13Zicmax_posedon: hmm, use "cat" or "less" on the Freerunner doesn't seem to be a quick solution if you have more than 5000 SMS on your phone
14:57.19Zic(or managed with "grep" :))
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14:58.01PaulFertserZic: with FSO you will soon have an opimd dbus interface to your messages.
14:58.10ZicPaulFertser: you are right about Qtopia, and for OM2008, I don't know for the moment, I don't test it
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15:00.21PaulFertserZic: Qtopia's rule: "Give us BSD patches and we'll probably release them as GPL but it's unlikely because your patches will break our proprietary forks". OM2008 was developed as a quick hack to have Qtopia run in X (instead of framebuffer).
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15:01.00CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r19ac3e487d49 10/src/zhone: adjust to new timestamp in the result of SendStoredMessage
15:01.18ZicPaulFertser: Nokia hasn't changed the political rules for Qtopia? hmm, bad thing
15:02.27ZicPaulFertser: at the moment, what distribution you recommend for an end-user usage, and what distribution for a hacker usage running on Freerunner?
15:03.35PaulFertserZic: i don't recommend end-user usage of FR at all. For a hacker usage i'd recommend Debian with recent enough FSO (i hope SHR apps will be soon easily installable on Debian too). But that's just my opinion.
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15:05.05PaulFertserZic: SHR itself is a very good choice as well.
15:05.14ZicPaulFertser: and for an end-user who know that it's a beta phone yet :)? I want to play (like hacking, testing) with my FR, but I want it will become my main (and only) phone too
15:05.59Zicand running Debian, even if with Zhone for a "main" phone usage doesn't attract me so much...
15:06.05PaulFertserZic: SHR (that will very soon incorporate all the bugfixes and goodies from FSO ms5).
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15:06.30ZicPaulFertser: cool! very soon? in SHR-unstable btw?
15:06.35PaulFertserZic: and i know almost nothing about H:1
15:07.16PaulFertserZic: FSO ms5 is not released yet ;) It'll be today though. I think SHR will catch up in a week if we're lucky. But you better ask SHR devs about it, i purely speculate here.
15:07.28niv*G* i am running shr-unstable since saturday... and it hasn't disappointed me yet....
15:07.39nivbut i haven't done much with that phone.
15:11.19Zichmm, I'm thinking, what about MMS management?
15:11.42Zicdon't use it so much, but some friends send me sometime
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15:13.26baba_meloneHi
15:13.51baba_melonedoes anybody know, when FSO MS5 is coming out
15:14.27mirko-parolibaba_melone: supposedly today ;)
15:14.34baba_meloneaccording to http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone5 ms 5 should already reached
15:14.35baba_meloneoh, ok
15:14.53baba_melonemirko-paroli: thanks. im looking forward
15:15.13mirko-parolibaba_melone: np
15:15.20mirko-parolibaba_melone: also waiting :)
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15:26.49bove_does the echo problems go away if you use (bluetooth) handsfree for calls?
15:27.02lindi-bove_: no
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15:27.09lindi-bove_: it goes away with AT%N187
15:27.20lindi-bove_: bluetooth fixes buzz
15:28.56bove_I don't have problems with buzz, at least not in qtopia
15:30.00bove_lindi-: What is AT%N187? Can't find it in the wiki
15:31.32slaxxinif we could just turn the mic into a speaker an then turn the earspeakerinto a mic  then the echo would go away
15:31.55lindi-bove_: it's the other end that hears the buzz
15:32.30lindi-bove_: undocumented at command to enable echo cancelation
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15:32.50slaxxinDOC  WHOSE  plan waas it to put the speakers on each side of the mic anyways???????????
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15:33.25lindi-bove_: sorry, AT%N0187
15:33.31lindi-slaxxin: why so many question marks?
15:33.41slaxxinsounds like  it was done on pourpose  
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15:34.06slaxxini have wondered this many many times
15:34.23lindi-slaxxin: you don't ned to use those speakers
15:34.32tig|has there been a recent update on the buzz issue?  
15:34.33slaxxinthe latest marketing stratagy
15:35.09tig|or is getting the hardware modified still the only solution?
15:35.21slaxxini dont need to use this gadget either
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15:37.11bove_lindi-: I just swapped phones with a friend, and I couldn
15:37.22bove_t here buzz when he had the freerunner
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15:48.38baba_melonehm, Im trying and installing navit to my SHR, but opkg complayins about not being able to satisfie the dependency of navit on gtk+-fastscaling
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15:51.28baba_melonean
15:51.36baba_meloneanyone able to help me?
15:51.59baba_melonewhere can i get an ipk file for gtk+-fastscaling
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15:57.24Erl__I'm having problems with the freesmartphone.org git, can anyone help?
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15:59.47valos[fr]baba_melone: SHR doesn't used gtk+-fastscaling anymore
16:00.01baba_meloneso how can i install navit now
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16:00.14valos[fr]baba_melone: uses --force-depends
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16:00.39baba_melonethanks
16:00.55badcloudchello people
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16:07.47lindi-bove_: what was CSQ?
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16:08.05lindi-tig|: bluetooth should avoid buzz
16:09.40tig|lindi-: ah so no fix then :(
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16:10.50lindi-tig|: what kind of fix are you expecting?
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16:19.46Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Hey, what was that simple version control system you use?
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16:21.13lindi-Digital_Pioneer: darcs
16:21.28Digital_PioneerAhh yeah. :)
16:21.33Digital_PioneerSo how's the dialer coming?
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16:21.51bove_Are there any official patches for AT%N0187? I find so many different patches, that I'm not shure what to use for qtextended 4.4.2
16:22.43lindi-Digital_Pioneer: it works.
16:23.08lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i'm struggling with kernel and ogsmd bugs
16:23.22Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Ahh, fun.
16:23.29Digital_Pioneeris giving paroli a try.
16:23.40lindi-Digital_Pioneer: so no need to improve the dialer until the underlying stuff is stable
16:25.15Digital_Pioneerlindi-: True that.
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16:26.37laentrueue, like queue
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17:20.42calamarzhi there
17:21.16calamarzdoes sb has a clue about how to switch to usb host mode in debian?
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17:28.56peppertartscalamarz: Have you tried this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host
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17:35.24calamarzpeppertarts: yes, but I read there that with debian I should use dbus
17:35.34calamarzbesides I dont have echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
17:35.54calamarzsorry, i dont have the /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode path
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17:36.53calamarzI cannot understand much with the dbus wiki pages... :(
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17:38.49baba_meloneany shr guys here
17:39.05baba_melonehow can i make shr start the ophonekitd automatically
17:39.17baba_meloneI always have to perform that in the settings
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17:45.52peppertartscalamarz: Ahh yes, its in /framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py
17:46.09peppertartstry: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy u"UsbHost" u"enabled"
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17:51.32Davevimians
17:51.40DaveHwah :D
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17:59.52calamarzpeppertarts: I'm trying, thanx ;)
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18:06.46peppertartscalamarz: Forget that. That won't work :-P I decided to give it a go myself and found that it isn't exposed by the framework in the same way as wifi, bluetooth, gps etc.
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18:08.09calamarz:/
18:08.10peppertartsI'm intrigued now though... I'll keep looking.
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18:09.34calamarzI'm a bit frustrated... i was trying to compile a new kernel with monitor mode support for an external usbdongle, and now I get I cannot go host-mode :D
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18:12.18PaulFertserpeppertarts: what about mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/UsbHost org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower true ?
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18:13.48mick_laptopyou know, i figured that it would be best if i upgraded to the latest stable from Om2008.x -- i'm surprised that the old version was better (granted i couldn't install anything) -- but damn at least i could make a phone call ;)
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18:16.55peppertartsPaulFertser: For some reason I get an org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.ValueError
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18:19.30PaulFertserpeppertarts: s/true/1/ ?
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18:21.20peppertartsLooks like the code expects any value as long as its set. I get the same error for org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.GetPower too. v strange.
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18:22.19peppertartscalamarz: Does that work for you?
18:22.53calamarzgoing to try...
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18:23.33PaulFertsercalamarz: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1
18:23.39PaulFertsercalamarz: that works for me with WiFi
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18:23.50PaulFertsercalamarz: i suppose it should work with UsbHost as well
18:24.06calamarzhum
18:24.40calamarzdoes it put it in host mode or does it also give power to devices connected to neo?
18:25.09PaulFertsercalamarz: on GTA02 it should enable providing power to devices, yes
18:25.25calamarzi am trying to go host mode but without draining battery (using a selfpowered usb hub, im afraid my card will attempt to drain too much power from neo)
18:26.50peppertartsPaulFertser: Are you sure? In powercontrol_neo.py it only sets the value of /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
18:27.09PaulFertserpeppertarts: "GenericPowerControl.setPower( self, power )" is done afterwards.
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18:28.22PaulFertsercalamarz: if you want to enable host mode without powersupply, you can echo 0 > neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode and echo host > usb_mode (in the corresponding sysfs directories)
18:29.10PaulFertsercalamarz: or just try this dbus method i showed you, i don't think it'll do any harm if you will "power" self-powered hub.
18:30.27calamarzPaulFertser: i've tried the dbus method and I get: SetPower failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.ValueError
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18:32.20PaulFertsercalamarz: do it by echo'ing then, it'll do for testing purpuses.
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18:35.46peppertartscalamarz: Are you using the 2.6.28 kernel? I've just noticed that my /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode is missing too.
18:35.54peppertarts... or moved.
18:36.10peppertartsThats probably why we're getting the ValueError
18:36.31calamarzactually its a kernel i've just compiled
18:36.34calamarz2.6.29
18:36.50calamarzim going to test with a previous kernel
18:37.18calamarzi've got an error when trying to connect my keyboard to the supposed host mode:
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18:38.21calamarzdmesg says something like: hub 1-0:1.0::unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
18:38.59PaulFertsercalamarz: there were some reports that some keyboards don't work if connected through hub.
18:39.12calamarzso the echo should work, now I've got that clear... dbus is only another way to get into it, right?
18:39.32peppertartsyup
18:39.52calamarzI thought that, but I got the same message connecting keyboard directly :/
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18:41.37Mortakhi
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18:42.20calamarzhi mortak
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18:42.55peppertartsI found the hostmode node....
18:42.59calamarzPaulFertser: do you know what debug info should I collect before annoying list with my trouble?
18:43.21calamarzpeppertarts: where is it?
18:43.28peppertarts"/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode"
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18:43.49PaulFertsercalamarz: could you try hostmode with 2.6.28 kernel first?
18:44.31peppertartsAt least it is for me... I'm not sure why it isn't under devices :-S
18:44.56PaulFertsercalamarz: btw, if you want to connect some device directly, without a hub but you want to provide an external power, you may need to build a Y-cable (check the wiki)
18:45.18calamarzyep, I've got it in mind :)
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18:46.14calamarzim a bit afraid to play with solder AND my little neo... i should make some test before trust on my skills :D
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18:51.18calamarzPaulFertser: i'll try, for sure... Now I need some break, It's been some hours already...
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18:57.12peppertartsPaulFertser: Which distribution are you currently running? Have you got /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode?
18:59.50PaulFertserpeppertarts: no, i don't have it. I'm running kernel with moredrivers defconfig, the version is like in OE's fso/milestone5 branch.
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19:20.12CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07framework * rb0c5547fd50b 10/framework/patterns/null.py: typo in shebang line: /user/bin/env
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19:26.43gurugentooI have a problem, when I plug in the FR via usb I can ssh in and mess around, but dns stops resolving on the desktop
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19:27.38gurugentooall it's set to do is give the usb0 interface 192.168.0.200
19:27.38gurugentoothoughts?
19:28.33gurugentoohmm ok after a minute I can no longer ping a local lan ip
19:28.50gurugentooright after I unplug, the problem vanishes
19:30.59Sharwin_Fgurugentoo, do you have the same subnet for usb0 and eth0?
19:32.09Daverut roh
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19:43.50phobiewhat triggers the suspend to disk on shr?
19:44.16gurugentooSharwin_F: yes
19:44.26Davethe function call (API), or the button/menu?
19:44.26gurugentoo192.168.0.*
19:44.41gurugentooo
19:44.55gurugentooneeds to be different yes?
19:44.56Sharwin_Fgurugentoo, try chaning the usb0 to 192.168.2.* for example, both on pc and neo
19:45.31gurugentooSharwin_F: I forgot about that little detail
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19:46.39Sharwin_Fgurugentoo, it tooks me some days first time I had to set usb0 networking :P
19:46.43CIA-49freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r98a0d6baad6c 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): onetwork: add and document org.freesmartphone.Network
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19:48.10gurugentooSharwin_F: I just immediately went to wifi, but now that I am without wifi I'm stuck with usb
19:48.56gurugentooSharwin_F: actually we should all just switch to ipv6 so all this NAT nonsense disappears
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20:16.29slaxxindoing the kustomizes script on the russian 2008.12 with additional software(   not a fresh install)
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20:19.30AntonTakkgurugentoo: it can be the sane ip range as your lan connection, but be sure to setup a route saying to get to the fr's ip through usb0
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20:27.41gurugentooAntonTakk: ok, I'll try that next time, already changed the IPs
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20:40.27fredrinWill GTA03 have infrared?
20:40.35mickeylno
20:40.40fredrin:(
20:41.03fredrinwould be nice to have to make remote controlles
20:41.25fredrinisn't infrared really cheap techology?
20:41.40mickeylit is
20:41.45mickeylbut it's also dead
20:41.49mickeyland requires holes in the casing
20:41.58mickeyl(for the eye)
20:42.06fredrintrue
20:45.39Amygoswhere i can download the milestone 5 image of fso? not found at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/
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20:46.24mjryeah, just have your media center on a linux box and use bluetooth for remote :]
20:46.30slaxxindo you want to start gpsd at boot (y/n)?
20:46.31slaxxiny
20:47.31AntonTakknot necesesarily/win 6
20:47.34AntonTakkoops
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20:51.13slaxxinhttp://pastebin.com/m34e41fc1
20:52.07slaxxin2008.12 kustomizer script applied to russian 2008.12 with several additional packages installed
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20:52.53slaxxinlooks like shr illume
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20:58.08slaxxinlooks great with lots of usable      stuff
20:58.41slaxxinloaded with games
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21:03.03GNUtoohello, what's the serial consolethat is better than minicom name?
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21:09.17GNUtooDefiant-_, yes thanks a lot
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21:29.55gurugentooare there still problems with uSD cards bigger than 2GB? (like the partition table disappearing)
21:31.23PaulFertserNot with the recent kernels
21:31.26leinirNope, my 8 gig one's been good for ages now :)
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21:37.38baba_meloneHi
21:37.47baba_meloneIm trying out Android at the moment
21:37.56baba_melonebut my openmoko wont load the kernel
21:38.09baba_meloneI have already installed qi, though
21:39.28jbickdoes anyone know how to kill qtopia?  I want to run it manually to strace it
21:39.31baba_meloneI always get the error BAd Data CRC when loading the kernel
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21:40.15baba_meloneI have tried the koolu kernel, the one offered by Sean McNeil and a third one, I just dont know where i got that one from
21:40.54PaulFertserbaba_melone: Bad data CRC? With Qi? On the serial console of debug board?
21:42.08baba_meloneno
21:42.13baba_meloneI load the kernel
21:42.22baba_meloneand then the checksum verification fails
21:43.00PaulFertserbaba_melone: Qi doesn't show any messages on screen. If it can't load the kernel, it vibrates. If it can, it just loads it and starts it.
21:43.17baba_meloneor at least thats what happens when i try to boot from NOR
21:43.28baba_meloneboot to NOR and then say Boot
21:43.39baba_meloneQi just shows a black but lit screen
21:43.42PaulFertserbaba_melone: don't try to boot from NOR then.
21:43.49baba_melonesee above
21:44.02PaulFertserbaba_melone: Qi can't show lit screen. Qi never touches screen backlight!
21:44.25baba_melonewell than thats already the kernel, probably?
21:44.33PaulFertserSure
21:44.34baba_melonebut it shows no text
21:44.39PaulFertserIt is not supposed to
21:44.51baba_melonewell but thats what it does
21:45.01PaulFertserIt is not supposed to show any text
21:45.27baba_meloneoh
21:45.47baba_meloneso how long does the boot process take
21:46.08PaulFertserbaba_melone: i don't know about android, but i'd say it can take 2-3 min.
21:46.17baba_melonek
21:47.03PaulFertserbaba_melone: re-read the Qi wiki page, it explains everything in details (at least i hope so). And if you need more messages from kernel on screen, it has an explanation how to get that.
21:49.13baba_melonek
21:49.23baba_meloneyeah
21:49.28baba_meloneandroid has starteeeeed
21:49.33baba_meloneawwwwsoooommmmm
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21:49.45PaulFertserShame on me, i helped to start android :( fuck
21:50.38CVirusLOL
21:50.40baba_melonePaulFertser: only for testing ;)
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22:01.25AntonTakkPaulFertser: don't feel bad, i'm probably going to get a g1 when i get my new cell contract
22:01.29baba_melonedo you guys know if it is possible to let the usb port of my desktop play keyboard
22:01.57baba_meloneas it is not posible to use the android software keyboard in the settings program of android
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22:34.46badcloudhey all
22:35.09badcloudanyone know if there is some command or script to erase all text messages from the sim/phone?
22:35.56PaulFertserbadcloud: with FSO?
22:36.05badcloudhey Paul
22:36.16badcloudSHR in my case
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22:37.34badcloudit can get really annoying erasing every message seperately
22:38.06PaulFertserbadcloud: Hey :) Yes, that's possible. You can do that with some bash scripting.
22:38.58badcloudmight have to save that for a rainy day
22:39.07badcloudthanks though
22:39.49eolsonPaul, do you know the cmd to erase one msg?
22:39.59PaulFertserbadcloud: use mdbus to call org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage in cycle to delete all the messages
22:40.10PaulFertsereolson: use it once to delete one message ;)
22:40.17eolsonPaulFertser, thanks :)
22:41.11badcloudthat's a research project for me, Paul
22:41.18badcloudbut thanks for the info
22:41.49badcloudby the time I'll understand how that works, someone would have already inplimented it in Ilumne
22:42.03badcloudimplemented*
22:42.47PaulFertserbadcloud: :) I think someone will soon come up with a simple script to do that.
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22:43.04badcloudnecessity is the...
22:43.47PaulFertsermother of invention?
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22:44.32badcloudright
22:45.11badcloud:)
22:45.32badcloudI can't believe my recent track record with the FR
22:45.43badcloudtwo weeks with SHR+andy
22:46.00badcloudaside from having to charge it every 4 hours, it's running fairly well
22:46.17PaulFertser:))) cool, congatulations :)
22:46.56badcloudany ideas on how to reduce power comsumption? aside from turning off wifi and setting the brightness down
22:47.29cjbuse suspend..
22:47.41badcloudI do that
22:47.56badcloud(already)
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22:49.22PaulFertserbadcloud: try `` for i in `seq 20`; do mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage 1; done ''
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22:52.12badcloudwithout the brackets?
22:53.23PaulFertserbadcloud: without the outer qoutes
22:53.40badcloudright, that's what I meant
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22:55.34badcloudPaul, http://www.mibbit.com/pb/ljhwI1
22:58.22PaulFertserbadcloud: is it while you're registered to the network?
22:58.31badcloudyup
22:58.47badcloudtried while the messages app was running and while it wasn't
23:00.23badcloudthis is via dropbear, btw
23:00.40badcloudhaven't tried it locally, but I'm not sure if that really should matter
23:00.42PaulFertserbadcloud: then try org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteEntry read 1
23:01.25badcloudwith a space between '/GSM/Device' and org.free....?
23:02.06PaulFertserbadcloud: no, don't try deleteentry
23:02.31badcloudummm, ok
23:03.51badcloudso, what should I try then?
23:04.39mickeylwhat's the problem, the output of the first command would look good, if you'd actually used $i instead of 1
23:05.01badcloudI'll give it a go
23:05.22PaulFertserAh, my bad, i though messages would be renumbered if deleted
23:05.46PaulFertserBut it seems to be "raw" enough interface to the SIM storage.
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23:08.14badcloud$i doesn't work
23:08.22badcloudit's requesting an integer
23:09.05PaulFertserbadcloud: $i is integer. Bash should expand it to 1 2 3 4 ... 20
23:09.48badcloudhttp://www.mibbit.com/pb/gWDx4L
23:11.18PaulFertserbadcloud: duplicate org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage
23:11.51badcloudwhat do you mean?
23:11.58badcloudis that one command line?
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23:17.35badcloudpastebin fun http://www.mibbit.com/pb/IqMh9Q
23:19.35PaulFertserbadcloud: remove the word duplicate from your last command
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23:19.45PaulFertserbadcloud: and change 1 to $i
23:20.37badcloud*sigh* http://www.mibbit.com/pb/4jbZHG
23:21.00mickeylgood
23:21.04mickeylwhy *sigh*?
23:21.23badcloudoh wow, it worked *blush*
23:21.26mickeylall slots except two have been  deleted
23:21.33mickeyltwo which were previously empty
23:21.35mickeyl(i guess)
23:21.41badcloudI just pasted before it finished
23:21.43badcloudyay
23:22.16badcloudthanks!
23:22.43mickeyl:)
23:22.45mickeylnp
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23:29.14badcloudso... turning that into a script would entail...?
23:29.25badcloud'which bash' isn't printing anything
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23:30.28mickeylwhich ash
23:31.37badcloudthanks again!
23:31.41badcloud$%^&* yeaH
23:32.04badcloudI LOVE THIS PHONNNNNNNNNNNE
23:32.40mickeylhehe
23:32.45mickeylsometimes it does what we want, yeah
23:32.53badcloudheh, right
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23:37.07badcloudnight people
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