| 00:09.05 | Toaster` | Is anyone else here running wicd off of opkg.org? |
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| 02:50.08 | semnome | someone speak portuguese? |
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| 03:09.32 | Rampentpancake_ | hello? |
| 03:11.44 | kahn | sup Rampentpancake_ |
| 03:12.42 | Rampentpancake_ | ah, there we go |
| 03:13.00 | Rampentpancake_ | sorry, litte new to the irc thing :) |
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| 03:14.13 | kahn | :) |
| 03:14.26 | kahn | starting out with IRC is a bit of a bitch at first :P |
| 03:14.32 | Rampentpancake_ | yeah |
| 03:15.34 | Rampentpancake_ | so i think this entire openmoko project is one of the coolest things i've ever seen. |
| 03:16.04 | rooly | nah, stretching a phenom processor to 6.something ghz is a cool project |
| 03:16.13 | Rampentpancake_ | i mean, a totaly open cellphone that you can hack, that's cool |
| 03:16.25 | Rampentpancake_ | i'm a bit of a gaget freak |
| 03:17.02 | Rampentpancake_ | @ rooly yeah that's cool |
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| 03:17.54 | Rampentpancake_ | i happen to have a phenom processor in my comp, but no overclock |
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| 03:18.35 | Rampentpancake_ | don't want to kill it |
| 03:18.40 | Rampentpancake_ | XD |
| 03:19.24 | Rampentpancake_ | so will there be a freerunner price drop when it becomes useable? |
| 03:19.35 | Rampentpancake_ | like, consumer friendly? |
| 03:19.36 | rooly | probably not |
| 03:19.40 | Rampentpancake_ | hmm |
| 03:19.54 | Rampentpancake_ | $300 for a cellphone |
| 03:19.56 | rooly | see, the price can only drop when the production gets very high |
| 03:19.59 | Rampentpancake_ | oh |
| 03:20.13 | Rampentpancake_ | sorry, haven't taken econ. yet |
| 03:20.13 | rooly | Rampentpancake_: 600$ for an iphone, 500$ for any one of it's clones |
| 03:20.28 | Rampentpancake_ | 600$! |
| 03:20.30 | mwester | Yeah, but they *work* |
| 03:20.33 | rooly | 300$ for a fully open peice of hardware that can do just about anything is pretty damn good |
| 03:20.53 | Rampentpancake_ | yeah, i see your point |
| 03:21.07 | rooly | mwester: what they can do, they do pretty good. but they can't do anything else |
| 03:21.27 | Rampentpancake_ | "open" seems to be a bit of a buzzword at this point |
| 03:21.38 | Rampentpancake_ | google, and now palm... |
| 03:21.43 | rooly | true, it is a buzz word |
| 03:21.50 | rooly | google...is far from open |
| 03:22.02 | Rampentpancake_ | meant android |
| 03:22.12 | rooly | android is not an open platform either. |
| 03:22.32 | rooly | not in the sense that the freerunner is open |
| 03:22.39 | raster | its not linux either |
| 03:22.45 | rooly | you don't have choice on android. you simply do it their way |
| 03:22.49 | raster | (in the modern common use of linux being more than the kernel) |
| 03:23.41 | rooly | you don't have choice on iphone or blackberry or anything else. you simply do it their way |
| 03:24.06 | rooly | windows mobile is more open than anything in the market |
| 03:25.24 | raster | so true |
| 03:25.48 | rooly | which is honestly kinda scary |
| 03:28.18 | rooly | he's gone isn't he |
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| 03:34.53 | kahn | lol |
| 03:34.56 | kahn | maybe :P |
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| 03:35.31 | kahn | the moko is rather cool i agree but for now i'll go back to a cheap pos and use the moko for "tinkering" |
| 03:35.43 | kahn | running zohne doesnt really intrest me :P |
| 03:35.57 | rooly | 's what i do now, kahn |
| 03:36.03 | rooly | unfortunately |
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| 03:48.38 | kahn | yeah - though i allways get excited when i look at the API so i guess it will be love hate for a while :P |
| 03:48.53 | kahn | just give me a stylus free keyboard and i'll be a happy camper |
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| 03:52.39 | rooly | nught night |
| 03:57.25 | d-b | anyone running andriod -> how to set dns ? |
| 03:57.34 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.41 | d-b | (i don't have a pin on the said sim) |
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| 04:01.08 | Dave | roooooooooooooooooly! |
| 04:01.13 | Dave | come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack |
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| 04:35.10 | johnsu01 | hm, getting an evas error now trying to start zhone on debian |
| 04:35.12 | johnsu01 | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'image_cache_set' |
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| 04:42.56 | d-b | i have small problem -> android wants some random ip of 192.168.0.219 for my routing .. |
| 04:42.59 | d-b | no idea why tho |
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| 04:44.28 | raster | because it set sup its usbnet interface with a fixed ip? |
| 04:44.49 | d-b | ah ? |
| 04:45.00 | raster | man ifconfig |
| 04:45.03 | d-b | well no as in i ping google.com and its looking for that |
| 04:45.09 | d-b | its a routing thing. |
| 04:45.49 | d-b | i can ping on my network but i can't ping google.com |
| 04:49.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | checked your device/gateway for rouge routes? |
| 04:50.16 | d-b | trying its a bit 'interesting' |
| 04:50.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | `route -n` |
| 04:51.07 | d-b | mmm it wasn't showing anything with just route before. will try that later |
| 04:52.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | running `route` does name lookups on hosts listed in the output, so it can take a moment |
| 04:52.32 | d-b | Kamping_Kaiser: 'ifconfig' doesn't show anything ^^ |
| 04:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | speaking of which, why do i have 6 routes set on my desktop o_0 gateway should be handling all that nonsense |
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| 04:52.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | what nothing specifically? |
| 04:54.30 | d-b | no ... nothing really rofl. |
| 04:56.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | >.> |
| 04:57.15 | d-b | i'm REALLY starting to hate how every distro puts the ip in the 192.168.0 range |
| 04:57.19 | d-b | wtf is up with that |
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| 04:59.24 | d-b | (usb0) |
| 05:00.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | why not? |
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| 05:03.14 | lindi- | d-b: can't you change it? |
| 05:04.34 | d-b | lindi-: i hope ^^> |
| 05:04.41 | d-b | i'm going to mount the filesystem and have a look. |
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| 05:15.22 | d-b | "read only file system" |
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| 07:51.34 | PaulFertser_ | billk: do you have any difficulties with append-GTA02 file? |
| 07:52.11 | billk | Hi Paul, not booting from SD card ... |
| 07:52.19 | billk | have set it up and will |
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| 07:52.31 | billk | see what happens - cant reboot as expecting a call |
| 07:53.05 | PaulFertser_ | billk: Ah, i see now. |
| 07:53.05 | soul9 | hi |
| 07:53.37 | PaulFertser_ | billk: so, the problem with no feedback is because you're using NAND... Hm, let me think about it... |
| 07:54.02 | soul9 | trying to install a custom kernel, i copied arch/arm/boot/vmlinux to /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 07:54.14 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: it's wrong, sorry ;) |
| 07:54.20 | soul9 | heh |
| 07:54.23 | soul9 | thought so |
| 07:54.29 | soul9 | since it doesn't boot :-D |
| 07:54.51 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: tell me and i'll write it to the wiki ;-) |
| 07:54.53 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: if you're using a recent enough Qi, then build zImage and copy it instead. |
| 07:55.01 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: and it's on the wiki :) |
| 07:55.04 | PaulFertser_ | already |
| 07:55.13 | soul9 | recent enough means what? |
| 07:55.15 | soul9 | it is? |
| 07:55.18 | billk | PaulFertser_: yes - booting from SD never really worked - mostly crashes during boot, probably need to slow |
| 07:55.28 | billk | down clk at boot - I do it |
| 07:55.35 | soul9 | this is what i used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel |
| 07:55.38 | billk | once the kernel is up at the moment |
| 07:55.51 | billk | doesnt cause any probs then. |
| 07:56.05 | PaulFertser_ | billk: hm, for me booting from SD worked the first time i tried. After that i changed my SD to a bigger one and had some interesting experience of blindly guessing why it didn't work. |
| 07:56.51 | PaulFertser_ | billk: but for me the kernel was not fetched from SD, so i new that something was wrong with accessing SD itself. |
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| 07:57.24 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: zImage support was added by Werner on Jan 9. |
| 07:57.29 | soul9 | ok, cool |
| 07:57.36 | soul9 | i got more recent than that, yeap |
| 07:57.44 | billk | PaulFertser_: am usingh 8GB sandisk - sometimes couldnt find kernel, sometimes crashed, usually corrupted filesystem in process |
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| 07:58.23 | PaulFertser_ | billk: so, the kernel doesn't support the card even if booted from NAND? |
| 07:58.28 | billk | lots of OSM maps - they used to cause probs too (using tangogps) until I discovered the slowing the clk trick |
| 07:58.40 | PaulFertser_ | billk: what kernel are you using? |
| 07:58.49 | billk | PaulFertser_: 2006.12 |
| 07:58.55 | billk | PaulFertser_: 2008.12 |
| 07:59.15 | billk | PaulFertser_: thats a 2.6.24 |
| 07:59.37 | PaulFertser_ | billk: no wonder it works bad with your SD, many fixes were introduced after that. |
| 08:00.24 | billk | PaulFertser_: yaeh, but bug #2215 means I cant use any more recent distro - firmly convinced its the mux, but not why |
| 08:01.29 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: where is it on the wiki? |
| 08:01.51 | PaulFertser_ | billk: the lack of ability to use append-GTA02 file on NAND is due to design issues: where is it supposed to be? There's just no decent place for it. Either hold power button while you boot (recent Qi adds loglevel=8) or recompile Qi with the parameters you need. |
| 08:02.01 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: zImage support mentioned on Qi page. |
| 08:02.18 | billk | ok, will try that later, tkx |
| 08:02.30 | PaulFertser_ | billk: you mean recompile Qi to get feedback? |
| 08:03.28 | billk | no, reboot - using phone at the moment :) |
| 08:03.36 | PaulFertser_ | billk: you know, Qi was designed with the idea to boot easily and that means boot from SD. GTA03 won't even have a possibility to boot from NAND, afaik. |
| 08:04.26 | billk | Will prob go back to ubott - Qi is too frustrating and too slow (from the point of view you dont know when it has booted until the screen is up. |
| 08:04.36 | PaulFertser_ | billk: anyway, if the kernel is stable, it shouldn't die during boot, so no need to worry about absence of the messages. And if it's not, you're not supposed to debug it in improper light conditions ;) |
| 08:06.12 | PaulFertser_ | billk: you seem to be a fan of unsupported things (2008.x clearly shows it), so go for u-boot ;) |
| 08:06.39 | billk | Its not debugging, its trying to see if its even working at all |
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| 08:07.05 | PaulFertser_ | Don't update your working kernel in the places where you can't debug the boot, it's easy ;) |
| 08:07.16 | billk | not so much unsupported - its trying to find a combination that works - can make phone calls, can rexieve and send sms messages |
| 08:07.46 | billk | what good is supported if it cant do that - supported for what? |
| 08:08.04 | PaulFertser_ | billk: 2008.x is unsupported. Prove me wrong, who does support 2008.x? |
| 08:08.20 | soul9 | aaah ok |
| 08:08.26 | soul9 | so i need to do a make zImage |
| 08:08.44 | billk | The question for me is will the supported software work - it doesnt so I can use it! |
| 08:08.54 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: or uImage (but make sure makeimage u-boot utility is available). zImage is simpler to get. |
| 08:09.25 | soul9 | ok |
| 08:09.27 | soul9 | damn |
| 08:09.33 | soul9 | i don't have my card reader here :-( |
| 08:09.35 | PaulFertser_ | billk: afaik "supported" means somebody supports it. And nobody supports 2008.x, afaik. |
| 08:09.50 | soul9 | no? |
| 08:10.03 | soul9 | there is no other "release" from om, or is there? |
| 08:10.40 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: MS5 is around the corner. |
| 08:10.47 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: FSO MS5 |
| 08:11.15 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: but it bears nothing in common with 2008.x-omg-they-use-qtopia distro. |
| 08:11.46 | billk | My problem is I need a working phone - doesnt matter if its supported until #2215 is fixed - not fixed, cant use it |
| 08:12.16 | lindi- | billk: don't use fso-gsm0710muxd? |
| 08:12.28 | lindi- | billk: just use gsm0710muxd instead? |
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| 08:13.02 | PaulFertser_ | billk: your problem then is that you need to use a regular dumb cellphone, not a development problem ;) |
| 08:13.10 | billk | Neither work! - is there someting that can substitute I can try? |
| 08:13.54 | billk | Gotta go pick up up my son, back later :) |
| 08:14.40 | lindi- | billk: "will not register" is bit confusing if the real problem is that you can't send any AT commands |
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| 08:16.07 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: true :) |
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| 08:28.25 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: yeah, heh |
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| 08:39.01 | billk | lindi-: Hi, yes, you are right. There is probably two things going on, |
| 08:39.40 | billk | lindi-: the serial comms are unreliable in that they sometimes initiase, sometimes not |
| 08:40.09 | billk | lindi-: and the mux tries and opens the serial comms in a different way that doesnt work |
| 08:40.22 | lindi- | billk: any idea why it works here always? |
| 08:40.30 | billk | lindi-: with my hardware |
| 08:40.37 | lindi- | billk: you have different hardware? |
| 08:41.15 | billk | It works for me reliably with 2007.2 (last year now :), mostly with 2008.x, never with the mux |
| 08:41.48 | billk | lindi-: so have to stay with 2008.12 which works |
| 08:41.52 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:42.02 | lindi- | billk: again, do you have different hardware? |
| 08:42.04 | billk | evening |
| 08:42.26 | billk | standard gta02v5 purchased as part of the first Australian |
| 08:42.43 | lindi- | billk: then it should not behave differently |
| 08:42.49 | billk | group but when the FR was first released - batch |
| 08:42.53 | billk | of some 60 phones |
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| 08:43.40 | billk | Ive tried 4 different vodaphone.au SIMS, and one Telstra 3G SIM, but the problems persists with no SIM |
| 08:43.46 | billk | either |
| 08:43.54 | lindi- | billk: i don't see how SIM could cause this |
| 08:44.24 | billk | lindi-: it shouldnt, but getting desperate ... |
| 08:44.47 | lindi- | billk: sudo strace -s4096 -v -f -o mux.strace gsm0710muxd |
| 08:44.57 | lindi- | billk: and i can compare against that when i get out of work |
| 08:45.52 | billk | ok, will have to reload some things which will take time - have to do it later this evening |
| 08:46.14 | billk | lindi-: didnt think to strace it - good idea! |
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| 08:47.10 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i think we tried to debug it with billk but got no results. Even if he uses minicom instead of the muxer sometimes he gets "AT-Command interpreter ready" again and again without pressing or doing anything. So, it's not muxer's problem, probably the muxer would work on a successful but if it didn't touch power_on modem interface. |
| 08:48.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: odd |
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| 08:48.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: could the hardware really be different? |
| 08:49.13 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: hardware brakes, you know it. Some 10000-20000 thousands were produced, no wonder some glitches occur. |
| 08:50.44 | billk | PaulFertser_: the problem is that is why do others work, ok, some mostly and this not at all? |
| 08:51.36 | billk | PaulFertser_: also, I found someone else with a similar stty profile to my device, also |
| 08:51.40 | lindi- | completely unrelated, how do i figure out the size of a block device? |
| 08:51.43 | PaulFertser_ | billk: can you get minicom to work reliably? I guess some problems can be due to the improper sysfs interface, i'm going to try another approach (the sane one) this weekend. |
| 08:51.46 | lindi- | stat does not seem to show it |
| 08:51.46 | billk | having pproblems, though different |
| 08:52.42 | billk | minicom will generally work, unless you try and use it when its in the "AT COMMAND READY" mode, then it cant |
| 08:52.47 | billk | communicate either |
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| 08:53.21 | lindi- | billk: mode? isn't that what it prints when it boots? |
| 08:53.33 | billk | Ive just shut down X - the gsm was registered and working |
| 08:53.59 | billk | confirmed that it works with minicom (at commands work and I get an OK |
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| 08:54.15 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: that's his problem: the "mode" where his modem can't work and reboots without an end. :) |
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| 08:54.42 | billk | quit minicom with vtrl-a-q so it doesnt reset the port |
| 08:55.04 | billk | and run your strace command - at the moment is hung at the same point |
| 08:55.17 | billk | as Paul discovered the other day |
| 08:55.25 | billk | I'll leave it awhile before |
| 08:55.29 | billk | I ctrl C it |
| 08:57.15 | billk | lindi-: actually this wont tell much - have to get a vanilla fso or gsm mux first - I think the one on the phone is is one I played with and I am not sure which changes I made. |
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| 09:02.15 | billk | linid-: there is a pastebin at http://pastebin.com/d17be1684 - hung at write(6, "\r\n\r\n\r\nAT\r\n", 10) = 10 |
| 09:02.41 | billk | lindi-: after that its the result of ctrl-C |
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| 09:03.39 | billk | lindi-: I am installing vailla mux from opkg now (matches 2008.12, not fso), and will redo - dont expect much difference |
| 09:05.02 | PaulFertser_ | billk: imho you should first understand where that "mode" when even minicom can't communicate comes from. |
| 09:05.23 | lindi- | billk: why does your strace log to stderr with -o option? |
| 09:06.26 | billk | lindi-: was one of the mods - turn on debugging - I was using shr-lite at the time and it was the only way to get it |
| 09:06.35 | billk | to log when booting |
| 09:07.26 | billk | lindi-: should have a better one soon |
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| 09:32.04 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: clean strace at http://pastebin.com/d76356971 |
| 09:32.23 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: rebooted and allowed to register (2008.12) |
| 09:32.37 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: closed X and ran strace |
| 09:33.24 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed|grep mux |
| 09:33.45 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: gsm0710muxd - 0.9.1+gitr9+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0 - |
| 09:33.59 | billk | lindi-, PaulFertser_: back later. |
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| 10:27.23 | jc_ | hello, how do I disable screen blanking from shell when no X is running ? |
| 10:28.00 | jc_ | I'm looking for it with no luck. Btw with Xglamo on, xset s off doesn't help either |
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| 10:39.56 | jc_ | any idea whether Xglamo supports xdmcp ? |
| 10:41.19 | pb_ | xglamo is kdrive, right? if that's the case then probably no xdmcp. |
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| 10:43.09 | jc_ | isnt it tinyx or something ? |
| 10:43.24 | jc_ | it has some xdmcp mention in --help although I can't find any 'listen' option |
| 10:43.35 | lindi- | jc_: xset s 0 0 |
| 10:43.44 | jc_ | lindi-, didn't help either, but thanks |
| 10:43.50 | lindi- | jc_: it works here with xglamo |
| 10:43.56 | lindi- | jc_: something else than X is blanking your screen |
| 10:44.01 | jc_ | I think hal/frameworkd is the culprit |
| 10:44.06 | jc_ | yeah |
| 10:44.08 | lindi- | jc_: frameworkd tries to interfere yes |
| 10:44.18 | lindi- | jc_: i disabled all that unnecessary stuff from frameworkd |
| 10:44.19 | jc_ | thanks :) |
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| 10:56.58 | jc_ | yes ! finally got it working |
| 10:57.03 | jc_ | xdmcp works fine |
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| 11:00.29 | jc_ | Ah well.. it works once, after first client disconnects, it throws *** glibc detected *** Xglamo: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x001539c8 *** |
| 11:00.29 | jc_ | Aborted |
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| 11:11.44 | ike | FSOm5 today, right? |
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| 11:26.48 | soul9 | man |
| 11:26.54 | soul9 | i did a make zimage |
| 11:27.17 | soul9 | then cp arch/arm/boot/zImage /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 11:27.22 | soul9 | doesn't boot :-( |
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| 11:30.14 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: doesn't boot at all? Or the kernel booted but died for whatever reason? Are you sure your Qi is new enough? |
| 11:30.19 | lindi- | soul9: why do you name it uimage? |
| 11:30.59 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: well, qi vibrated as if kernel loading had failed.. |
| 11:31.11 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: naming is correct |
| 11:31.29 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: i got my phone on 23rd of Jan., so it's gotta be new enough.. |
| 11:31.43 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: where did you get your qi from? |
| 11:31.53 | soul9 | (i mean i couldn't have flashed qi on there before... |
| 11:31.55 | soul9 | errr |
| 11:32.01 | soul9 | i tink from andy's page |
| 11:32.08 | soul9 | people.openmko.org/andy |
| 11:32.26 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: 18 Dec, zimage wasn't supported back then |
| 11:32.41 | soul9 | oh? |
| 11:32.46 | soul9 | so where should i get qi from? |
| 11:33.20 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: your buildhost? Or wanna grab mine? ;) |
| 11:33.31 | soul9 | heh |
| 11:33.35 | soul9 | my buildhost? :-( |
| 11:33.38 | soul9 | none yet |
| 11:33.51 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: i don't have either, but not much is needed to build Qi. |
| 11:34.02 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: sure, if it saves me from having to setup a crossenv right now |
| 11:35.05 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/qi-s3c2442-improve-ui_eeac1ba30557032e.udfu not exactly the latest, but it should be good enough. |
| 11:37.38 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: oh yeah, looks much better now |
| 11:37.42 | PaulFertser_ | rwhitby: Hey :) could you probably add Qi to your autobuilder or is it too much effort? |
| 11:37.48 | soul9 | and my kernel _works_!!!! :-) |
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| 11:37.58 | soul9 | awesomness |
| 11:38.19 | soul9 | thanks again, PaulFertser_ |
| 11:38.28 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: you're welcome |
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| 11:39.59 | PaulFertser_ | cedric: AYT? |
| 11:43.54 | Zorkman | anyone using the FR with windows from time to time? |
| 11:44.07 | Zorkman | shr unstable keeps making my windows crash |
| 11:44.13 | dns53 | i do at work |
| 11:44.17 | Zorkman | does anybody know a fix for this? |
| 11:44.31 | dns53 | it has only happened once today |
| 11:44.35 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.54 | Zorkman | dns53: with shr unstable? or something else? |
| 11:45.05 | dns53 | shr |
| 11:45.12 | tig| | I have plugged into into my windows box at work. Vista64 business just sulked and said it could not find the drivers :) |
| 11:45.27 | Zorkman | and do you still have networking capabilities? |
| 11:45.37 | soul9 | ∠yone know whether the stock 2.6.29 kernel can be used on the FR? |
| 11:45.44 | Zorkman | shr-testing used to work just fine with win xp |
| 11:45.45 | dns53 | tig| the generic drivers do work |
| 11:45.46 | soul9 | s/∠/any |
| 11:45.58 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: it can't be used |
| 11:46.22 | soul9 | and where do the fso guys get their 2.6.28 kernel? |
| 11:46.22 | tig| | dns53: not here it didn't but I was not suprised |
| 11:46.32 | soul9 | stable from moko tree is 2.6.24 |
| 11:46.42 | soul9 | (ext4 sucks in .24...) |
| 11:46.53 | dns53 | tig| look for the microsoft generic driver |
| 11:47.20 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: andy-tracking git branch at git.openmoko.org. It's 2.6.29 now, bt.w |
| 11:47.51 | soul9 | nice |
| 11:47.53 | soul9 | okay then |
| 11:48.04 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: you're my man again, thanks :-D |
| 11:48.33 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: don't try HEAD for now, it's somehow broken, sound probably doesn't work. |
| 11:48.44 | tig| | dns53: I will if I get suicidely bored enough :) it is not something I desparately need working :) |
| 11:48.45 | soul9 | HEAD meaning origin/stable? |
| 11:49.20 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: you mean the HEAD of the andy-tracking branch? |
| 11:49.32 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: yes |
| 11:50.04 | soul9 | hmm |
| 11:50.23 | soul9 | so you have a tip of a pretty stable commitid? |
| 11:51.18 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: i run 30eb753226969bdf , seems to be stable. But screen rotation reported not to work in .28 (at least partially). |
| 11:51.45 | soul9 | hm...and .29 is not stable enough yet, eh |
| 11:51.49 | soul9 | well, i'll try it.. |
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| 12:46.21 | spaetz | screen rotation breaks the screen in 80% of all cases for me in SHR-unstable |
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| 12:50.53 | iazz | hi all |
| 12:51.01 | iazz | are there any toolchain experts in here? |
| 12:52.16 | iazz | I have an issue with the default compiled-in paths for cpp in the binary toolchain shipped on the openmoko site |
| 12:54.41 | iazz | apparently the system includes somehow don't include /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/c++/4.1.2/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ directory, which is needed for STL |
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| 13:47.42 | Arhuaco2 | spaetz: A fix for the rotation issue should come soon. |
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| 13:51.41 | spaetz | Arhuaco2: that would be great |
| 13:51.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r082c5c376211 10/ (gsm0710/gsm0710.c src/multiplexer.vala): |
| 13:51.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: init session OK |
| 13:51.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Modified core to include \r\n on end of command |
| 13:52.02 | spaetz | Any bug ticket taht I can follow, Arhuaco2 ? |
| 13:53.20 | Arhuaco2 | spaetz: Not yet, but I know Balaji is making some progress... I think that if you build balaji-tracking the rotation should work. Would you like me to build balaji-tracking kernel for you so that you can try it? |
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| 13:53.47 | spaetz | Arhuaco2: no thanks. i have no time currently, to try alternative kernels. But thanks |
| 13:53.51 | spaetz | I'll just wait. |
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| 14:24.04 | sylar91 | hi, I'm developing a software for the neo that uses accelerometers but how is it possible to change the sensibility? I get only 18n output |
| 14:24.05 | sylar91 | :( |
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| 14:25.34 | sylar91 | oo |
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| 16:04.30 | soul9 | aaaaaah, after 5 hours of building the kernel compilation exited with an error ;( |
| 16:05.28 | Weiss | five hours building just the kernel? :o |
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| 16:06.34 | zem_ | soul9: make should be able to handle |
| 16:07.46 | Shlee | Does anyone know an rss feed widget? http://www.google.com/ig/adde?synd=open&source=ggyp&moduleurl=customrss.googlepages.com/customrss.xml |
| 16:07.51 | Shlee | like that one.. |
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| 16:14.26 | soul9 | Weiss: yeah, building on the freerunner |
| 16:15.11 | max_posedon | building kernel on freerunner? WHY? |
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| 16:16.28 | soul9 | i don't have a cross-toolchain |
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| 16:17.33 | hiciu | soul9: try this one: http://hiciu.rootnode.net/download/igelle/gcc-armv4t-unknown-linux-gnueabi_4.3.2_i386.deb |
| 16:19.03 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r3274f3a9a773 10/src/ (multiplexer.vala server.vala): closing and reopening the session works now |
| 16:20.23 | soul9 | yeah, i use gentoo on my laptop tho |
| 16:20.34 | soul9 | thank you tho, i'd love to try it! ;-) |
| 16:20.45 | hiciu | soul9: "ar x file.deb" |
| 16:21.19 | hiciu | and "tar xzf data.tar.gz" |
| 16:21.20 | soul9 | ah, good point |
| 16:21.20 | hiciu | and copy /usr/arm* to /usr, should work.. |
| 16:21.40 | soul9 | cool |
| 16:21.46 | soul9 | this is just gcc? |
| 16:21.57 | soul9 | that's all i need for compiling the kernel? |
| 16:22.03 | soul9 | binutils, etc.? |
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| 16:26.19 | hiciu | that is: gcc 4.3.2, binutils 2.19, and glibc 2.8 |
| 16:27.04 | hiciu | (with kernel headers.. 2.6.20.1? I don't know, maybe) |
| 16:27.46 | hiciu | soul9: here is how I built it: http://www.igelle.net/archives/33 |
| 16:28.53 | max_posedon | soul9, with gentoo you should just install crossdev |
| 16:29.06 | max_posedon | and crossdev -t armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
| 16:29.20 | max_posedon | crossdev -S armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
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| 16:32.35 | mac2k | max_posedon: do you still need the toolchain then? |
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| 16:33.47 | max_posedon | hm... this commands compile toolchain. (I don't understand your question) |
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| 16:39.39 | mac2k | ok, that answers my questen, if i additionally need some kind of toolchain |
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| 17:07.41 | Wonka | damn :) |
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| 19:04.37 | soul9 | max_posedon: nope...debian is armel, so i'm not sure that would work |
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| 19:26.46 | johnsu01 | hm, well, at least I have zhone failing on a different error now |
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| 20:10.26 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r700ab8250582 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: move checking for pyrtc below creating the logger. thanks beniwtv! |
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| 20:48.22 | Wonka | hrm. any idea how to get "fourier" running? aoss doesn't quite cut it... |
| 20:49.37 | lindi- | Wonka: aoss? |
| 20:50.07 | Wonka | lindi-: aoss preloads a library that "converts" OSS style sound system accesses to ALSA |
| 20:50.22 | Wonka | lindi-: fourier tries to open /dev/dsp... |
| 20:50.48 | lindi- | Wonka: wouldn't it be better to use the kernel-side OSS emulation? |
| 20:51.01 | Wonka | lindi-: best would be to just use alsa |
| 20:52.39 | Wonka | hm. ok. "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" did make it run without error messages, but still no data displayed |
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| 21:05.23 | Rampentpancake | Hi all |
| 21:05.47 | Rampentpancake | apologize for the disconect last night |
| 21:06.26 | Rampentpancake | turned off computer last night on accident |
| 21:07.38 | Rampentpancake | I have a question: if i want to write sofware for the freerunner, and i only know C++ can i still use it? |
| 21:08.47 | Dave | waffles? |
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| 21:09.05 | Dave | Rampentpancake, maybe, but it might not be ideal :) |
| 21:09.15 | Dave | But C and C++ are similar :P |
| 21:12.23 | max_posedon | Rampentpancake, you can use any language, neo it is something like your generic PC. |
| 21:13.03 | max_posedon | Good language for neo, is any language that has dbus bindings. |
| 21:13.28 | Rampentpancake | define dbus please |
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| 21:14.26 | Rampentpancake | also, does the freerunner support 3g? |
| 21:14.55 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: lightweight ipc with bindings for many language available. |
| 21:14.58 | max_posedon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dbus |
| 21:15.06 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus |
| 21:15.12 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: only if you connect a USB 3G modem |
| 21:15.43 | Rampentpancake | so the freerunner has no "on board" 3g support? |
| 21:16.01 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: yes |
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| 21:17.39 | Rampentpancake | also, this may sound stupid, but if the freerunner is an "open phone" don't you still need to bind it to a cellphone carrier? |
| 21:17.56 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: you do. Insert SIM |
| 21:18.06 | Rampentpancake | thereby limiting what you can do with it? |
| 21:18.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Rampentpancake: It's not locked to any carrier. |
| 21:18.23 | Rampentpancake | oh |
| 21:18.41 | Rampentpancake | right stupid question, sorry |
| 21:19.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Nah, it's a perfectly good question. |
| 21:19.47 | Rampentpancake | one last quick question |
| 21:19.52 | Digital_Pioneer | A stupid question would be "If the Freerunner is an open phone, how come it's closed when I get it? I wanted to assemble it myself!" :P |
| 21:20.01 | Rampentpancake | ha ha ha |
| 21:20.01 | PaulFertser | :))) |
| 21:20.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Rampentpancake: So what else do you need to know? :) |
| 21:21.06 | Rampentpancake | can i use the freerunner as a "open" palmtop computer of sorts, or do it still have to bind it to a carrier to use all of its features? |
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| 21:21.22 | Digital_Pioneer | It will work as a PDA, yes. |
| 21:21.26 | Rampentpancake | except stuff like sms |
| 21:21.28 | Digital_Pioneer | But software is still alpha/beta. |
| 21:21.32 | Rampentpancake | oh cool |
| 21:21.43 | Digital_Pioneer | I had it for about a month and played with it before ever putting a SIM in it. |
| 21:21.44 | [Rui] | waves |
| 21:21.46 | johnsu01 | Heh, seems like every time I start zhone on Debian I get a different error |
| 21:21.49 | Digital_Pioneer | waves back. |
| 21:21.50 | johnsu01 | File "edje.c_edje_object.pxi", line 411, in edje.c_edje.Edje.part_text_set (edje/edje.c_edje.c:10947) |
| 21:21.51 | johnsu01 | UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u21e9' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) |
| 21:22.20 | [Rui] | is forking omnewrotate into a dbus program which will send x,y,z to dbus and convert omnewrotate to use it. |
| 21:22.58 | Digital_Pioneer | had rotate scripts for a while, but finally ditched them because he never needs to rotate the phone. |
| 21:23.00 | [Rui] | this way, accelerometer apps will be able to play well with others |
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| 21:24.55 | Digital_Pioneer | is still waiting for a mouse program for FR. |
| 21:26.15 | Rampentpancake | how about acctualy using the thing as a phone, does it work well? |
| 21:26.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Rampentpancake: It works. :P I won't say it works WELL, but it works. |
| 21:26.42 | ike | Well. It depends what do you mean "as a phone". |
| 21:26.52 | ike | It can answer your calls and you can make calls. |
| 21:27.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Though volume is freakishly low. |
| 21:27.07 | ike | It's getting reliable. |
| 21:27.25 | Rampentpancake | i mean, it can recive phone calls (and make them) a well as sms |
| 21:27.33 | [Rui] | Rampentpancake: it depends on what you call "using as a phone" |
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| 21:27.44 | [Rui] | Rampentpancake: I use it as my primary phone, currently, with Om2008.12 |
| 21:27.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Cursed, cursed, cursed ophonekitd died again.... |
| 21:27.59 | [Rui] | it has some glitches, but it works |
| 21:30.29 | Digital_Pioneer | How do you start stupid ophonekitd after it crashes, short of rebooting? |
| 21:33.27 | Digital_Pioneer | I have to say, I love the FR, but some things are just too irritating. |
| 21:33.40 | Rampentpancake | like? |
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| 21:33.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Rebooting because ophonekitd crashed... WHY?! |
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| 21:34.20 | Digital_Pioneer | I should be able to just run it again, but nooooooo. It either kills itself or won't register GSM or some such other nonsense. |
| 21:34.28 | toggles_w | hmm |
| 21:35.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Ohh, that's rich... :P Mid-shutdown... Give root password for system maintenance, or type Control-D for normal startup. |
| 21:35.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Actually, that must be the startup after the shutdown in the reboot. |
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| 21:38.47 | soul9 | anyone know how i cn make linux install it's modules into a prefix? or make a modules tarball or something? |
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| 21:42.23 | [Rui] | Rampentpancake: sometimes it doesn't recover from suspend |
| 21:42.27 | morgner | soul9, what do you mean with 'install'? |
| 21:42.45 | PaulFertser | soul9: yes, i know |
| 21:42.47 | [Rui] | Rampentpancake: for some reason I have my contact list in a weirdly sorted form, I can't search in the contact list |
| 21:42.55 | [Rui] | and these are my main gripes currently |
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| 21:43.00 | soul9 | haha |
| 21:43.06 | soul9 | PaulFertser: heh |
| 21:43.11 | soul9 | --module-prefix= |
| 21:43.18 | soul9 | can't it do a tarball tho? |
| 21:43.41 | soul9 | found it on gentoo documentation, 4th page of google :-( |
| 21:43.46 | Rampentpancake | Rui:can't you write a script that changes the sorting style? |
| 21:44.09 | PaulFertser | soul9: make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/dir |
| 21:44.19 | soul9 | ok |
| 21:44.20 | PaulFertser | soul9: don't be so lazy ;) |
| 21:44.25 | soul9 | ;-) |
| 21:44.32 | PaulFertser | soul9: are you building from andy-tracking? |
| 21:44.35 | soul9 | yah, this'll have to do |
| 21:44.38 | soul9 | yep |
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| 21:44.54 | PaulFertser | soul9: then there's a "build" script with all the convenience features for you. |
| 21:45.03 | soul9 | first try at cross-compiling |
| 21:45.06 | soul9 | hehe |
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| 21:45.28 | soul9 | reaheaheahealy? |
| 21:45.50 | PaulFertser | soul9: seriously, it prepares a tarball, a uImage, everything you need. |
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| 21:46.24 | soul9 | hm, and i can set the cross-compiling parameters to it the same way? |
| 21:46.30 | PaulFertser | soul9: mkdir GTA02; cp arch/arm/configs/GTA02_moredrivers_defconfig GTA02/.config; ./build GTA02 a (the 3rd one is dummy parameter to build modules) |
| 21:46.34 | soul9 | ok, lemme see this |
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| 21:46.45 | PaulFertser | soul9: edit the build script, and set cross-compiling prefix there |
| 21:46.54 | soul9 | ok |
| 21:46.55 | [Rui] | Rampentpancake: I don't understand it yet, and I haven't really cared that much about it, as qtopia will be gone in some time |
| 21:46.59 | soul9 | lemme see that script |
| 21:47.04 | soul9 | kudos++ PaulFertser |
| 21:47.30 | PaulFertser | soul9: you should have written PaulFertser++ to improve my karma ;) |
| 21:47.35 | PaulFertser | ~karma PaulFertser |
| 21:47.36 | apt | paulfertser has neutral karma |
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| 21:49.52 | soul9 | PaulFertser++ heh |
| 21:50.05 | soul9 | nice |
| 21:50.08 | PaulFertser | ~karma PaulFertser |
| 21:50.08 | apt | paulfertser has neutral karma |
| 21:50.15 | soul9 | 'duh |
| 21:50.23 | PaulFertser | soul9: nothing changed, but thanks anyway ;) Happy compiling ;) |
| 21:51.13 | soul9 | compiling away |
| 21:51.29 | mwester | doesn't believe in karma. |
| 21:51.47 | soul9 | doesn't believe in not believing |
| 21:52.59 | mwester | thinks that if karma really mattered, then maybe the world would be a nicer place. :( |
| 21:53.17 | PaulFertser | mwester: i think karma is an interesting concept. I sometimes think that driving my car is doing bad for my karma, but DIY-repairing it compensates it. And so on :) |
| 21:54.22 | mwester | It is an interesting concept. But it seems much to naive, especially when you look at politicians and lawyers. |
| 21:54.34 | mwester | s/to/too/ |
| 21:55.27 | Rampentpancake | i have a problem, mabye you guys can help |
| 21:55.33 | PaulFertser | Do you think they're happy? Or that they'll manage to exit the sansara circle? ;) |
| 21:55.58 | mwester | Rampentpancake: if your alternator is dead, PaulFertser can probably help! ;) :P |
| 21:56.19 | mwester | (and increase his karma with automobiles at the same time!) :D |
| 21:56.48 | Rampentpancake | i'm trying to get ubuntu to recognize an ext2 filesystem image so that i can mount it, but i keep on getting a "not found in ect/fstab" error |
| 21:57.08 | Rampentpancake | mount it to temp dir. |
| 21:57.09 | mwester | PaulFertser: What bothers me most are that they do *indeed* seem to be happy being who they are. |
| 21:57.35 | mwester | Rampentpancake: try doing it as root |
| 21:57.47 | soul9 | PaulFertser: well, i'm happy to inform you the build script don't work |
| 21:57.51 | PaulFertser | mwester: I don't buy it. They know how to lie to anybody, including themselves. |
| 21:57.55 | Rampentpancake | that's what i'm doing |
| 21:57.55 | soul9 | but i can rip what i need out of it |
| 21:58.06 | mwester | PaulFertser: you might be right about that. |
| 21:58.10 | soul9 | puts on his ripping hat |
| 21:58.12 | PaulFertser | I changed an alternator in my car once. |
| 21:58.38 | PaulFertser | soul9: don't, it works for everybody. If it doesn't work for you, you're doing something wrong :) |
| 21:58.38 | mwester | ;) I changed the diodes in my alternator once -- not enough money for a new alternator |
| 21:58.40 | Rampentpancake | mwester: i tried that both as root, and using the "Sudo" command |
| 21:59.00 | mwester | Rampentpancake: then you'll probably have to pastebin your session, so someone can see what you are typing wrong. |
| 21:59.11 | Rampentpancake | hmm |
| 21:59.12 | PaulFertser | mwester: My alternator was foo-bar'ed, I tried to disassemble it at home, but broke the hammer trying ;) |
| 21:59.47 | soul9 | PaulFertser: hehe, maybe, there is a syntax error in the script, but i might knw why it is... |
| 22:00.00 | PaulFertser | thinks how funky that sounds: an alternator with diodes integrated :) |
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| 22:00.29 | Rampentpancake | mwester: in case this has anything to do with it, i'm trying to use a loopback device |
| 22:01.37 | mwester | PaulFertser: why funky? Low-cost... it also had the regulator module bolted into the alternator case. |
| 22:01.45 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: pastebin the session, it must be obvious. |
| 22:02.20 | mwester | suspects that let them use the alternator case and fan as a heatsink for the diodes and regulator... |
| 22:02.21 | PaulFertser | mwester: It's just that wording in funny. Alternator (by the sound of it) should produce AC. |
| 22:02.39 | mwester | Ah. :) Yep. |
| 22:03.05 | mwester | Yet we also refer to power plants here as "generating stations", which would imply DC. |
| 22:05.12 | Rampentpancake | another quick question about ubuntu: if I partition the space i need for ubuntu in gparted, will it wipe any other os on my hdd? |
| 22:05.26 | PaulFertser | People all around the world use so many words despite they don't know the meaning of them. Time to learn Toki Pona, the simple language where the meaning is clear :) |
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| 22:06.14 | Rampentpancake | like if i make a new partition just for linux on my main drive, will it wipe everything on the drive to create a partition? |
| 22:06.35 | Dave | Freerunner generators? |
| 22:06.39 | Dave | What will he think of next? :D |
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| 22:07.40 | mwester | Rampentpancake: you ask a very frightening question. I think that very much the answer is that if you do not know, perhaps you should not try it. :( |
| 22:07.40 | Rampentpancake | this is purely hypothetical. |
| 22:08.16 | mwester | Rampentpancake: if you have unallocated space (i.e. space that is not part of any other partitions) then you can partition that and use it. otherwise, |
| 22:08.27 | Rampentpancake | i just wanted to install ubuntu from a live cd, without wipeing my main os |
| 22:08.39 | mwester | you must create unpartitioned space by using a tool or utility to shrink or move the existing partitions. |
| 22:09.03 | mwester | In any case, if you at any time get any of the numbers or partition designators wrong, you will destroy all or some part of your data. |
| 22:09.06 | PaulFertser | Probably gparted is the right tool for that job. |
| 22:09.28 | Rampentpancake | i liked what i saw from the live cd, so i thought installing ubuntu would be a fun experiment |
| 22:09.30 | PaulFertser | (for destroying some data, obviously) |
| 22:09.54 | mwester | It is far batter to just add an extra drive for this purpose, if you have room to add one. They're really quite inexpensive. |
| 22:10.08 | Rampentpancake | emphesis on "experiment" |
| 22:10.18 | Rampentpancake | hmm |
| 22:10.40 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: what's your OS now? |
| 22:10.42 | mwester | Right ;) I experiment on systems only after I remove the primary drive -- that way I don't risk anything. |
| 22:11.03 | tordo | you could install it to a USB HDD if you have one |
| 22:11.42 | Rampentpancake | PaulFertser: OS is windows vista (yeah, i know) |
| 22:12.10 | Rampentpancake | tordo:would a usb key work? |
| 22:12.17 | tordo | Rampentpancake: if it's big and fast enough |
| 22:12.45 | Rampentpancake | tordo: what about an sd card? |
| 22:12.51 | tordo | why not? |
| 22:13.01 | Rampentpancake | oh cool |
| 22:13.08 | max_posedon | Rampentpancake, I suggest you use VirtualBox if you afraid of loosing data (for installing ubuntu) |
| 22:13.33 | Rampentpancake | i just so happen to have an 8gb sd card laying around :) |
| 22:13.44 | tordo | should do it |
| 22:13.53 | tordo | that's the size of my acer one hdd |
| 22:13.53 | tordo | :P |
| 22:13.58 | Rampentpancake | ok then |
| 22:14.17 | tordo | is going to bed now |
| 22:15.00 | tordo | just make sure you install the bootloader to the SD card, not to the hard disk |
| 22:15.00 | xcasex | [C/win 13 |
| 22:15.05 | Rampentpancake | sorry for this time wasteing conversation, it's just i got annoyed by losing all my settings when i'd exit form the liveCD |
| 22:15.43 | tordo | helping people get started with linux ain't wasting time |
| 22:15.59 | PaulFertser | You guys might be surprised, but i've read recently that Ubuntu can use a file on windows partition as some kind of loopback rootfs, so there's no need to repartition. |
| 22:16.24 | tordo | that sounds like quite a mess that actually could work |
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| 22:16.37 | PaulFertser | tordo: official ubuntu installer supports that. |
| 22:16.43 | Rampentpancake | PaulFertser: can you explain that in english? |
| 22:17.00 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: nope, i'm alien, don't know english at all. |
| 22:17.12 | tordo | "does anyone here speak l33t?" |
| 22:17.12 | Rampentpancake | ha ha ha |
| 22:17.21 | Rampentpancake | oh no.... |
| 22:17.45 | Rampentpancake | 133t? |
| 22:17.52 | Rampentpancake | surely you jest |
| 22:17.57 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: just some non-sensual english-sounding words. |
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| 22:18.52 | tordo | but anyways.. good night! |
| 22:18.55 | tordo | and good luck Rampentpancake |
| 22:18.58 | Rampentpancake | Paul: i meant could you explain what a loopback rootfs is? |
| 22:19.12 | PaulFertser | Rampentpancake: probably wikipage will do it better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(installer) |
| 22:19.21 | Rampentpancake | ah |
| 22:19.21 | tordo | Rampentpancake: basically it means ubuntu installs itself to a file on the windows partition and runs from that |
| 22:19.24 | PaulFertser | tordo: good night :) |
| 22:19.26 | Rampentpancake | many thanks |
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| 22:22.24 | Rampentpancake | wow, this wubi thing looks neat |
| 22:22.35 | PaulFertser | looks useless to me |
| 22:23.14 | Rampentpancake | well that may be because you can acctualy install ubuntu |
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| 22:24.56 | PaulFertser | i don't think i'll ever try to do it again. Too frustrating. I'd prefer Debian testing. |
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| 22:28.49 | Rampentpancake | i have stuff to do so, goodbye for now |
| 22:28.57 | Rampentpancake | thanks for all the help |
| 22:35.15 | morgner | i need to compile something against the kernelheaders. in the bitbake recipe i am using STAGING_KERNEL_DIR for the includes. but this points to a wrong path: staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel (it should be om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel). any ideas? |
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| 22:49.45 | The_Doctor | Is any of you using android on his freerunner? |
| 22:59.06 | cjb | The_Doctor: I tried it, it's not really usable yet |
| 22:59.07 | cjb | but it's close |
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| 23:14.00 | bogdanr | Hello everybody |
| 23:14.35 | bogdanr | I want to ask you if there is anyone that got 2008.12 to run of the microSD card |
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| 23:15.22 | bogdanr | 2008.12 doesn't seem to be able to boot all the way if it's installed on the microSD card |
| 23:15.39 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: 2008.x is dead, DEAD :) |
| 23:15.59 | bogdanr | And what's live and kicking? |
| 23:16.46 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: FSO and SHR is around the corner |
| 23:16.59 | PaulFertser | FSO ms5 will be released on monday. |
| 23:17.13 | PaulFertser | SHR based on that a bit later. |
| 23:17.38 | bogdanr | SHR doesn't seem that usable |
| 23:17.55 | bogdanr | I have it installed on the miniSD now and I can't do much with it |
| 23:18.17 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: SHR unstable or testing? Testing works worse than unstable now. |
| 23:18.28 | bogdanr | I see |
| 23:18.32 | bogdanr | I think I have unstable |
| 23:18.37 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: anyway, 2008.x won't be developed. Do you really want to invest time in a dead system? |
| 23:18.48 | bogdanr | hell no |
| 23:19.02 | bogdanr | I didn't know it will not be developed |
| 23:19.11 | bogdanr | Why did they decided to drop that? |
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| 23:20.52 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: because it sucked. From the beginning. The idea to use Qtopia in X wasn't that good. |
| 23:21.55 | bogdanr | Did you tried Android on the FreeRunner so far? |
| 23:22.22 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: I? fucking no |
| 23:22.50 | bogdanr | Have something special against it? |
| 23:23.28 | niv | mh.. |
| 23:23.37 | niv | i tried to get android running.. |
| 23:23.42 | niv | but i didn't succeed yet. |
| 23:23.48 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: against a non-free system developed to sell software on "android market"? not at all |
| 23:24.13 | bogdanr | As far as I know they opened the sources completely |
| 23:24.17 | ronny | hmm |
| 23:24.32 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: i think you're wrong. GSM part is still closed, i guess. |
| 23:24.37 | ronny | does anyone know how well pim + pim-sync works on android |
| 23:24.59 | bogdanr | I might be mistaken |
| 23:25.10 | bogdanr | :) |
| 23:25.32 | bogdanr | I think it's still worth checking it's opennes status |
| 23:25.43 | ronny | the gsm leak of om wasnt exactly approved, too |
| 23:26.06 | PaulFertser | ronny: what gsm leak? |
| 23:26.23 | bogdanr | Isn't the GSM part of any phone supposed to be completely locked? |
| 23:26.42 | ronny | PaulFertser: when the gsm impls suddenly appeared in one of the public scm's |
| 23:26.58 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: all software running on host CPU is supposed to be free. If it's not, it sucks. |
| 23:27.22 | ronny | hmm |
| 23:27.29 | PaulFertser | ronny: Are you talking about gsm part of schematics? |
| 23:28.00 | ronny | PaulFertser: im not eexactly sure atm, i didnt keep any links on more info |
| 23:28.10 | ronny | i just know something was leaked that wasnt suppsoed to |
| 23:28.23 | ronny | anyway - i dont care if everything is free |
| 23:28.35 | PaulFertser | ronny: or are you talking about NDA'd calypso documentation? |
| 23:29.16 | ronny | PaulFertser: like i said, im not sure what it was, i just know it wanst supposed to |
| 23:29.39 | ronny | my 2 major needs are dont spy me and pim/sync |
| 23:31.03 | PaulFertser | ronny: no matter what leaked and when and by whom. All of FSO is free, all of SHR is free, all of pyneo is free, all of Qtopia running on FR (afaik) is free. Not everything in android is free. And they need kernel patches for no apparent reason. I don't like it. |
| 23:31.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: FSO has non-free ringtone |
| 23:31.51 | ronny | again: my 2 major needs are dont spy me and pim/sync |
| 23:31.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: true. I meant code. |
| 23:32.06 | PaulFertser | ronny: you're out of luck anyway if you're using GSM. |
| 23:32.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: you got me, i was wrong, i admit. |
| 23:32.34 | mickeyl | heh |
| 23:32.38 | mickeyl | poor sid ringtone |
| 23:32.51 | mickeyl | if the gstreamer .mod plugin wasn't so sucky, i had replaced this with my own stuff already |
| 23:33.02 | mickeyl | but alas, .mod takes about 60 seconds to start on the neo |
| 23:33.08 | mickeyl | (no kidding, no exaggaration) |
| 23:33.15 | mickeyl | didn't have a chance to profile that yet |
| 23:33.20 | PaulFertser | Everybody who hears that arkanoid.sid from my FR asks me to change ringtone ;) |
| 23:33.30 | lindi- | i am using http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ right now since it was difficult to find any existing ringtone that'd be 1) DFSG-free 2) clearly hearable 3) not music |
| 23:33.31 | ronny | PaulFertser: i was at the talk on 25c3, but where i life its pretty unlikely that people wire up a base station |
| 23:33.57 | PaulFertser | ronny: goverment can spy on you, and they control all the base stations. |
| 23:34.45 | ronny | then i probably should tell the phone "i know you are listening" when im in empty rooms |
| 23:35.01 | ronny | in case of doubt it will really freak out some gov dudes |
| 23:35.04 | PaulFertser | i'm using non-legally obtained copy of Light My Fire. I don't think Jim or Manzarek would be against that. |
| 23:35.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:35.11 | mickeyl | true |
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| 23:37.43 | bogdanr | By the way, how is Qtopia? |
| 23:39.15 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: driven by the needs of Nokia customers, as usual. |
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| 23:39.59 | bogdanr | I'm seriously thiking of doing some work on the FreeRunner in the next 30 days but I don't know where I can contribute more and get the best results at the end of these 30 days |
| 23:40.18 | mickeyl | hints at kernel and middleware |
| 23:40.21 | PaulFertser | bogdanr: which level do you wont to work on? |
| 23:40.30 | bogdanr | I have no ideea |
| 23:40.38 | bogdanr | dependes on how complicated things are |
| 23:40.57 | bogdanr | As far as I know SHR uses Ilume right? |
| 23:41.07 | PaulFertser | Yes |
| 23:41.28 | bogdanr | If the API of Ilume is not that complicated maybe I can optimezi some things there |
| 23:41.41 | PaulFertser | Fix the dictionary, please ;) |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * rd88f2d84af6f 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): open/close channels works and gets acked |
| 23:41.46 | bogdanr | :)) |
| 23:42.48 | bogdanr | I've seen in less than an hour of looking at SHR that there are many screens that have nothing to do with the phone |
| 23:43.03 | mickeyl | sounds like you are an interaction designer |
| 23:43.10 | mickeyl | something we need as well :) |
| 23:43.27 | mickeyl | waves goodbye |
| 23:43.29 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 23:43.32 | PaulFertser | BTW, mickeyl . Are you sure that using the only implementation of freesmartphone standards (which is GPL'd) even via dbus for some essential work constitutes derivative work? |
| 23:44.00 | mickeyl | no |
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| 23:44.11 | mickeyl | using frameworkd via dbus releaves you from the GPL |
| 23:44.13 | PaulFertser | How is it different from linking then? |
| 23:44.22 | mickeyl | it's.... not linking. |
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| 23:44.44 | mickey|zzZZzz | ask laf0rge next time he comes around |
| 23:44.45 | PaulFertser | It's very close. I don't see real differences. |
| 23:45.19 | PaulFertser | I think ophonekitd is clearly a derivative work from FSO. |
| 23:46.02 | PaulFertser | I see no reason to distinguish how exatly interfaces are used, be it by static linking or dbus. |
| 23:46.44 | PaulFertser | night, mickey|zzZZzz |
| 23:48.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you have an opinion on this licensing issue? |
| 23:48.34 | ronny | PaulFertser: dbus is rpc |
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| 23:49.34 | badcloud | hello people |
| 23:49.34 | ronny | so from my point of view requiring dbus clients to be gpl would be like requiring clients to http/corba/ice to be gpl just cause some server is gpl'd |
| 23:50.22 | Wonka | acks that |
| 23:50.25 | PaulFertser | ronny: not just some server. If it's the only server your program can work with, then (imho) it's obviously, the program should be gpld |
| 23:50.51 | badcloud | anyone know if the max ringer volume has be documented yet in SHR? |
| 23:51.12 | ronny | PaulFertser: the protocol is open, and doesnt enforce gpl |
| 23:52.19 | ronny | i pretty much think the "only one implementor" argument is pretty much pointless |
| 23:52.41 | PaulFertser | ronny: i'm not talking about protocol, i'm talking about using functionality. Think about it. If FSO worked in a way that it required linking, will it enforce GPL? Yes. How's current situation different? The same license, the same API. How is RPC different from linking here? |
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| 23:55.19 | ronny | PaulFertser: its different processes, they can even be on different computers |
| 23:56.05 | PaulFertser | ronny: GPL doesn't say anything about different processes or computers. It's about derivation of one work from another. I see no difference between linking and RPC here. |
| 23:56.41 | ronny | PaulFertser: you can use the entire dbus api of it without using any code of it |
| 23:56.55 | ronny | you dont need to derivate at all |
| 23:57.29 | PaulFertser | ronny: by using RPC you call remote functions, if your functionality depend on that, then you derivate. |
| 23:57.47 | PaulFertser | ronny: why do you think "remote procedures" are any different from "local"? |
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| 23:58.26 | ronny | PaulFertser: else using any internet server thats gpl licenses would require my tools that use it to be under gpl |
| 23:58.38 | ronny | also gpl defines derivates in terms of linking |
| 23:58.51 | ronny | there is no linking process betwen a dbus client and a dbus server |
| 23:59.07 | PaulFertser | ronny: show me the word "linking" in GPL |
| 23:59.07 | Wonka | yeah, and rants against windows are derivatives of the bluescreen... |
| 23:59.59 | PaulFertser | ronny: if your program uses the api (even through internet) of some GPL'd program and your program's functionality depends on that, than yes, imo it should be GPL'd as well. |