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| 09:03.23 | wehttamb | is the unstable SHR image stable enough to use? i cant find a download for the testing image. |
| 09:03.39 | Ainulindale | Yes, it's stable enough, it'll hit testing soon |
| 09:04.08 | wehttamb | oh so there isnt a download for the testing image? |
| 09:04.45 | wehttamb | downloading unstable now |
| 09:05.33 | wehttamb | or isnt a testing image at all yet |
| 09:05.53 | Ainulindale | there is but it's not up to date at all |
| 09:06.01 | Ainulindale | it'll be updated when we'll release |
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| 09:09.00 | wehttamb | ok. which would you recomend. SHR or OM2008.12? ive been using 2008.12 with illume for a while |
| 09:10.52 | wehttamb | the main reason im looking at SHR is because i would like to try out sms-sentry which doesnt seem to run on 2008.12 |
| 09:11.05 | PaulFertser | wehttamb: How dare you to ask that question to one of the SHR leaders? ;) |
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| 09:11.36 | wehttamb | oh. i didnt relise that. i can guess which one you would say is better |
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| 09:12.25 | PaulFertser | wehttamb: and the most important which one HE will say is better. Anyway, 2008.x is dead! |
| 09:12.38 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: wow wow wow ! |
| 09:12.46 | Ainulindale | Please don't call me like that :-) |
| 09:12.55 | Ainulindale | My head isn't big enough to burst just because SHR is the coolest thing ever :-p |
| 09:13.25 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: what's your official SHR position then? |
| 09:13.28 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 09:13.34 | Ainulindale | Well, yes, but I don't publicize that |
| 09:13.51 | Ainulindale | I consider myself mainly as the community "manager" |
| 09:13.56 | Ainulindale | (w.r.t. SHR) |
| 09:14.00 | wehttamb | ok. i think ill install shr now. |
| 09:15.09 | wehttamb | sounds like it will get me further |
| 09:15.46 | Ainulindale | Well |
| 09:15.50 | Ainulindale | I have no idea about that wehttamb |
| 09:15.55 | Ainulindale | I'm happy to use it on a day to day basis |
| 09:16.02 | Ainulindale | But some people would rather use another distro |
| 09:16.05 | Ainulindale | That's their c hoice |
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| 09:16.15 | Ainulindale | I'd rather use something brought up by the community for the community :-) |
| 09:16.28 | wehttamb | as long as it will run without crashing constantly then should b good enough for me |
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| 09:16.42 | wehttamb | yea. that makes sense |
| 09:16.44 | Ainulindale | Well these days it's kind of slow, due to a bug in e |
| 09:16.50 | Ainulindale | But there's a workaround |
| 09:17.00 | Ainulindale | (Meanwhile we're working on eradicating this bug) |
| 09:17.24 | wehttamb | ok. i guess i can find the workaround on the wiki? |
| 09:17.29 | PaulFertser | Anyway, 2008.x was designed to suck :) |
| 09:17.39 | wehttamb | haha |
| 09:18.42 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: tsss :-) |
| 09:18.49 | Ainulindale | You're a worse troller than me :-) |
| 09:19.56 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: for sure, i've never wanted to troll. I just dislike 2008.x with passion :) |
| 09:20.12 | Ainulindale | So do I |
| 09:20.21 | Ainulindale | I'm not keen on paroli either |
| 09:20.25 | Ainulindale | I'd rather use plain old C |
| 09:20.43 | wehttamb | also. im currently doing yr 12 software and i have to write a program for my major assesment. i would like to write something for the phone but im not shure what would be usefull. it would ideally be something in python |
| 09:20.58 | Ainulindale | And we're building something we think is better than what was tichy |
| 09:21.03 | Ainulindale | More related to UMAF in fact |
| 09:21.07 | Ainulindale | with strategies and such |
| 09:21.57 | wehttamb | any ideas on what i could write? |
| 09:25.09 | Ainulindale | Something that does my job for me? |
| 09:25.09 | wehttamb | i would like it to be useful and something i could contribute to the comunity when im finished |
| 09:26.04 | wehttamb | what would that be? |
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| 09:30.19 | kstar | Is the Qt Extended rootfs under GPL? |
| 09:32.13 | lindi- | kstar: whole rootfs? i somehow doubt it |
| 09:33.02 | kstar | lindi-: I don't like the word 'firmware' |
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| 09:36.08 | kstar | lindi-: Nice. It says GPL. |
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| 09:36.53 | kstar | lindi-: On http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
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| 09:41.52 | lindi- | kstar: you trust "License GPL"? |
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| 09:42.15 | kstar | lindi-: Shouldn't I? |
| 09:42.48 | lindi- | kstar: i wouldn't trust such simple statements from upstream, they are often false :) |
| 09:43.05 | lindi- | kstar: download the source and see if the files at least have proper copyright notices |
| 09:43.31 | lindi- | kstar: they have not even specific which version GPL it is |
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| 09:44.45 | kstar | lindi-: Right. Good point. I'll do that. |
| 09:45.12 | lindi- | kstar: can you find the source? the source tarball i found contains binaries like assistant.exe configure.exe |
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| 10:00.03 | wehttamb | how can i get SHR to connect to my laptop over USB? is there something special i have to do? |
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| 10:03.41 | Defiant- | wehttamb: should be the same procedure as with the other distros |
| 10:04.05 | wehttamb | yea im doing that put i cant ping the device |
| 10:05.58 | wehttamb | when i was trying to use it before the power light was blue. now its red. is that making any difference? |
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| 10:08.36 | wehttamb | restarting the device fixed it. could have been because it was the first time i booted shr |
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| 10:12.14 | Ainulindale | wehttamb: yeah, first time does that |
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| 10:12.53 | wehttamb | Ainulindale: yea. its all working now |
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| 10:34.31 | Arigead_ | Hello all, I flashed FSO MileStone4.1 which did not include zhone by default so I did an opke install of it. It doesn't seem happy though and presently won't run. Anybody got this working |
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| 11:08.14 | wehttamb | is there a mirror somewhere of framework-settings? the site with the packages is down. |
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| 11:13.29 | wehttamb | or does anyone have a copy of it they could possibly upload? |
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| 11:15.10 | Zorkman | copy of what? |
| 11:15.56 | wehttamb | the framework-settings ipk |
| 11:16.07 | wehttamb | the site is down that the wiki links to |
| 11:16.56 | wehttamb | its meant to b at http://stosb.com/openmoko/fso-settings_0.4_armv4t.ipk but i cant even access stosb.com |
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| 11:19.43 | Zorkman | isn't it also in the repositories of shr? |
| 11:20.35 | wehttamb | ill have a look. both the shr wiki and the openmoko wiki both link to that |
| 11:21.29 | Zorkman | just curious wehttamb: ar eyou using shr testing or unstable? |
| 11:21.45 | Zorkman | and if you have shr questions, the best place to be is in fact #openmoko-cdevel |
| 11:21.49 | wehttamb | Zorkman: unstable |
| 11:22.09 | wehttamb | ok thanks. might go over to there |
| 11:23.04 | wehttamb | its not really a shr problem as much as the site thats hosting the file just being dead |
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| 12:25.46 | Zorkman | hi, is anybody using tangogps with googlemaps?? |
| 12:26.14 | Zorkman | it worked perfectly with 0.9.3, but with 0.9.5 it won't download new tiles, has google changed something, or is it just me? |
| 12:26.17 | Zorkman | could anybody please check |
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| 12:27.04 | d-b | Zorkman: wtf how ? |
| 12:33.04 | Zorkman | what do you mean 'how'? |
| 12:33.14 | Zorkman | by trying it on your tangogps i presume.... |
| 12:35.46 | dns53 | i have never gotten it to work myself |
| 12:37.00 | Zorkman | it's (was) extremely easy, just copy paste an url in your tangogps and check the inverted button |
| 12:38.47 | Zorkman | x11vnc is highly recommended if you don't want to use the onscreenkeyboard for typing in the url manually :) |
| 12:38.49 | d-b | neat |
| 12:39.29 | Zorkman | it's documented in the wiki in which url's you should change it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_Google_Maps_with_tangoGPS |
| 12:39.41 | dns53 | tango also has a linux build so i download the images on a linux machine and copy them to the device |
| 12:39.59 | dns53 | it seems to work on the desktop |
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| 12:40.31 | Zorkman | strange why it doesn't want to work on my FR.... |
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| 12:51.03 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * rf3262b4cf1b5 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: add some more dbus types |
| 12:51.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rbf7b557d1638 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: handle more dbus types |
| 12:52.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r12d3df686079 10/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. |
| 12:52.37 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * rf6dba00cce9e 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Set up for milestone5, remove remote.origin.fetch stuff, add -k to feed builds. |
| 12:52.39 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * rf6dba00cce9e 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Set up for milestone5, remove remote.origin.fetch stuff, add -k to feed builds. |
| 12:53.23 | dns53 | just entered it on the fr, it works fine for me |
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| 13:08.14 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * re6c7d3ef3761 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: also use prettyPrint for signals |
| 13:08.52 | Zorkman | thank for trying dns53 |
| 13:09.12 | Zorkman | can't figure out what is wrong here... but maybe it's time for a reflash, it's been more than a week ;-) |
| 13:10.00 | dns53 | well you just need more sd cards and qi |
| 13:10.17 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * rd043e88acd27 10/Makefile: Fixed FSO_STABLE_VERSION to track the branch tip until release |
| 13:10.18 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r12d3df686079 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. |
| 13:10.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r12d3df686079 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. |
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| 13:41.03 | sonic_ | Hi people. I've been having serious trouble with my neo freerunner. After a long while of noe being able to connect with it, I have now been able to connect and flash it with a new image. However, my screen seems to go dim, unable to light up again once I turn it on. I can see the outline of the icons in the background but can't get the screen to light up again. Has anyone seen this before? |
| 13:43.42 | SM2k | sonic_: which image did you flash onto it? |
| 13:44.14 | SM2k | sonic_: I'm not an expert, fwiw. it's just an obvious question. |
| 13:44.23 | sonic_ | First 2008.9 and now 2008.12 |
| 13:44.28 | sonic_ | Same problem on both |
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| 13:44.54 | SM2k | which I happen to be running atm. haven't seen "dim" |
| 13:45.32 | SM2k | is it dim during the entire boot process? |
| 13:45.33 | sonic_ | hmmm.. is it possible I have a broken device? |
| 13:45.40 | sonic_ | No, just after booting |
| 13:45.50 | sonic_ | I used to have a laptop which did the same |
| 13:45.53 | SM2k | sonic_: remember there's three partitions involved here. uboot, kernel and rootfs |
| 13:46.19 | sonic_ | I only flashed the rootf as that's all that was mentioned in the instruaciton |
| 13:46.39 | SM2k | ah ok. well. fwiw, I flashed all three and I'm having no trouble. |
| 13:46.48 | sonic_ | ah |
| 13:47.07 | sonic_ | so should I flash with .9 first before flashing with .12 or does it matter? |
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| 13:47.16 | SM2k | by the by, I ended up putting the gta01 uboot on... and it actually works fine on the freerunner, so I didn't bother putting the gta02 uboot in place |
| 13:47.34 | SM2k | just flash what you intend to use |
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| 13:47.50 | sonic_ | ok, thanks SM2k |
| 13:47.52 | SM2k | you'll hear differing opinions about what it is you should be using :-) |
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| 13:48.04 | sonic_ | I'll try .12 :) |
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| 13:49.37 | SM2k | these instructions work: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 13:49.44 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: you shoudn't use 2008.x anyway, that's crap ;) |
| 13:50.18 | sonic_ | Is there a 2009.x? |
| 13:50.25 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: there will never be! |
| 13:50.35 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: 2008.x development line is abandoned. |
| 13:50.47 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: what will probably be called 2009.x is entirely different system. |
| 13:50.53 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: So what would you recommend? |
| 13:51.05 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: SHR unstable for now. |
| 13:51.14 | SpeedEvil | Except by a team of coders, who escaped from a maximum security facility, convicted of a ... |
| 13:51.18 | SM2k | sonic_: are you trying to program the device or use it as a phone |
| 13:51.25 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: or Debian (if you are goung to hack). |
| 13:52.06 | sonic_ | I just want to make it do something to convince me it's worth the ¢400 I paid for it. Making a call would be a good start :) |
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| 13:52.24 | sonic_ | or even getting the screen to stay on |
| 13:52.34 | sonic_ | or play an mp3 even |
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| 13:53.01 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: Can I put SHR on with the flasher app? |
| 13:53.20 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: Yes, sure :) if by the flasher app you mean something that supports DFU protocol. |
| 13:53.43 | sonic_ | Yeah, it's a mac app but I don't see the SHR repo in there |
| 13:53.56 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: you have a working portable computer with GNU/Linux OS, isn't it enough to convince you that it worths the money you paid? |
| 13:54.11 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: http://shr-project.org |
| 13:54.29 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: It took me ~5 months to connect to it |
| 13:54.53 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: WTF? do you have only Macs around and why can't you install GNU/Linux or one of it? |
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| 13:55.13 | sonic_ | not spending every minute of every day of course but I only was able to ssh 2 weeeks ago. Only have a Mac for now |
| 13:55.26 | sonic_ | I'm poor |
| 13:55.34 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: why don't you install GNU/Linux on your Mac? |
| 13:55.39 | sonic_ | and don't have another availible machine |
| 13:55.45 | sonic_ | no space on the drive |
| 13:55.55 | sonic_ | lass than 600MB left |
| 13:56.24 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: "only have a Mac" and "i'm poor" sounds a bit like oxymoron to me ;) |
| 13:56.57 | SpeedEvil | 'I pulled it out of a skip' |
| 13:57.00 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: anyway, there're known issues with usb networking on Macs, that's true. Sorry about that. |
| 13:57.32 | sonic_ | I bought it last year, MacBook, (before the recession) and before that I had no laptop for a few years while I was saving. I was using parts from a skip as my main machine |
| 13:57.47 | sonic_ | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 13:58.04 | sonic_ | Sorry for mentioning recession :) |
| 13:58.12 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: Your MAC can't boot from LiveCD? |
| 13:58.59 | sonic_ | I was about to try that, but somehow, it suddenly connected |
| 13:59.05 | sonic_ | on mac |
| 14:00.25 | sonic_ | so is SHR working ok? |
| 14:00.37 | Ainulindale | More than ok. |
| 14:00.41 | Ainulindale | I use it on a daily basis |
| 14:00.52 | Ainulindale | I can call, edit/create contacts, send SMSes... |
| 14:01.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf38cc52fbf11 10/src/zhone: display time to first fix if available |
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| 14:03.17 | sonic_ | Wifi? |
| 14:03.44 | Ainulindale | I don't use it, but people do, and it works |
| 14:03.51 | sonic_ | Whice version would you rcommend? |
| 14:03.58 | Ainulindale | Unstable |
| 14:03.59 | Ainulindale | Latest |
| 14:04.15 | SM2k | sonic_'s poor because he bought a mac ;-) |
| 14:04.22 | sonic_ | lol |
| 14:04.34 | SM2k | sonic_: I'm staging my development on a mac mini until my shiny new dell arrives later today |
| 14:04.50 | sonic_ | La-Tee-Da... :) |
| 14:05.00 | SM2k | sonic_: I actually am using VMware fusion to run ubuntu in a VM. I've been having very good success messing with the phone that way. |
| 14:05.40 | SM2k | but please realize I'm willing to go a little deeper into the weeds than the average guy. your mileage may vary |
| 14:05.56 | sonic_ | That sounds cool. I really need to clear up some space on this thing. I was using parallels for Win apps but it was slow as hell, so I need RAM also |
| 14:06.09 | tordo | can't do anything on his gta02 |
| 14:06.11 | tordo | can't find it :( |
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| 14:06.33 | SM2k | sonic_: I do admit trying to split 1G ram and a 2.4 Ghz processor has been a headache at best |
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| 14:06.48 | sonic_ | I'm not great with the inner workings on *nix |
| 14:06.48 | sonic_ | More of a user than a guru/admin |
| 14:06.50 | sonic_ | yep |
| 14:06.51 | SM2k | tordo: oops? :-) try calling it! |
| 14:07.01 | tordo | SM2k: it's off :( |
| 14:07.08 | tordo | think i left it somewhere |
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| 14:08.23 | SM2k | tordo: somewhere you live hopefully, not "somewhere like the bus station" |
| 14:08.55 | tordo | somewhere like a friends place or school |
| 14:09.09 | tordo | if i left it at school i'm fucked :< |
| 14:10.32 | SM2k | meh |
| 14:11.26 | tordo | someone should make a HHGG-style improbabilitydriven find-lost-stuff-machine |
| 14:11.44 | SM2k | tordo: mebbe I could find my mind |
| 14:12.21 | tordo | the more improbable the place the thing is, the more energy the machine gets |
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| 14:22.40 | sonic_ | SM2k: Ok, flashing the kernel seems to have fixed the problem but I can't use the installer or anything like that. I agree with PaulFertser_ , 200x.x is crap |
| 14:22.57 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: Is there a particular version of SHR you are using? |
| 14:23.13 | CVirus | I wish real life had grep or locate |
| 14:23.30 | ronny | CVirus: give google another 5 years |
| 14:23.34 | CVirus | LOL |
| 14:24.00 | CVirus | that's worth quoting in my favorite quotes on my facebook |
| 14:24.07 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: to be honest, i'm not using SHR. I use Debian with FSO from git HEAD. I'm trying to hunt some bugs (and i'm using it as the only cell phone). But if you want to call, you better try SHR unstable (the latest). |
| 14:24.31 | henk | PaulFertser_: and you're not in #openmoko-debian? ;) |
| 14:24.50 | sonic_ | ok, how about qtopia of android? |
| 14:24.51 | PaulFertser_ | henk: why should i be there? What's going on? |
| 14:25.00 | SM2k | sonic_: wait |
| 14:25.14 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: fuck it, not the true way. |
| 14:25.16 | SM2k | the problem with the installer... is that it needs the toobs |
| 14:25.18 | henk | PaulFertser_: you could help :) |
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| 14:26.00 | PaulFertser_ | henk: i'm a bad debian user, can't really build a package from scratch :) i just like that i can apt-get what others have already prepared :) |
| 14:26.35 | SM2k | sonic_: you're using a mac, right? hrm. well what I've done is routed thru my ubuntu VM... thus giving the phone access to the internet so they can update |
| 14:27.03 | SM2k | PaulFertser_: nothing wrong with being a consumer :-) |
| 14:27.48 | sonic_ | SM2k: ok, cool. It would be great if the wifi could work |
| 14:27.57 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: and i'm helping here with Qi and stuff. Also i've recently prepared a wikipage about bass fix, have you seen it? I'm not a consumer in general, just consumer of debian packages. |
| 14:28.01 | SM2k | oh it can sonic_ |
| 14:28.30 | SM2k | PaulFertser_: your name's in the wiki as one-of-the-ones-who-knows-what-hes-doing :-) |
| 14:28.40 | sonic_ | so why would you use your vm to access internet? |
| 14:28.42 | sonic_ | SM2k: |
| 14:29.00 | SM2k | sonic_: eh... cause I don't have a wireless access point :-) |
| 14:29.13 | sonic_ | oh, haha |
| 14:29.17 | sonic_ | sorry |
| 14:29.31 | SM2k | sonic_: I assume you do? |
| 14:29.40 | sonic_ | yep |
| 14:29.54 | sonic_ | I thought I was the last |
| 14:29.56 | sonic_ | :) |
| 14:30.08 | SM2k | sonic_: well, here's the trick. I pretty much needed the USB routing to bootstrap anyhow. cause the terminal doesn't ship by default. |
| 14:30.19 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: at wiki.openmoko.org? where exactly? ;) |
| 14:30.29 | SM2k | rummages |
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| 14:31.17 | SM2k | hrm. I coulda sworn :-) ... alas wiki search is lame |
| 14:31.23 | gfather | hello guys |
| 14:31.27 | SM2k | heya gfather |
| 14:31.59 | gfather | hay SM2k whats the news ? |
| 14:32.08 | henk | PaulFertser_: haven't seen it. i am only a debian user too, i did 'package' (build a .deb) from qwo lately, but i have no idea of what quality that package is. nevertheless i'm in there to help people that have even less a clue than me and get helped by people that have more knowledge than me... |
| 14:32.29 | PaulFertser_ | Hey gfather :) |
| 14:32.38 | SM2k | gfather: trying to understand GPRS this morn |
| 14:32.52 | SM2k | see how much mileage I can get that way. these phones are freakin cool! |
| 14:33.19 | gfather | i dont have gps :( |
| 14:33.33 | SM2k | off topic and crude but hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4a4O7kXQo&feature=channel_page |
| 14:33.41 | gfather | any one knows c coding ? |
| 14:34.16 | SM2k | gfather: gprs is the toobs-access-over-gsm |
| 14:34.45 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: :) |
| 14:34.52 | gfather | ah ok , thought gps , gprs is too expensive where i live , so i dont use it too :) |
| 14:35.07 | gfather | PaulFertser_ : my man :) , how are you m8 ? |
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| 14:35.51 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: ok, nothing happens... Trying to buildroot an image for ARM7 :-/ The weather is stupid. How are you? |
| 14:38.26 | gfather | just baried my father friend in the cemetarey and then went to the funeral |
| 14:38.28 | gfather | :( |
| 14:39.36 | gfather | that was my day , didnt even go to work , and i just came back |
| 14:39.42 | gfather | other than that im cool :) |
| 14:39.58 | SM2k | gfather: oh man. so sorry. |
| 14:40.36 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: ... |
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| 14:41.06 | gfather | SM2k that okay m8 , its life |
| 14:41.09 | gfather | :< |
| 14:41.43 | gfather | brb in 30 minutes |
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| 14:43.42 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6545e6144f4f 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: RingToneAction: listen for audio profile changes. Closes FSO #325 |
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| 14:50.59 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf4df30138220 10/framework/patterns/null.py: add null object |
| 14:54.47 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: This SHR system looks wicked :D |
| 14:55.22 | sonic_ | However, I've only flashed with kernel. Should I do rootfs flash also? |
| 14:55.27 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: i've only seen screenshots at scape.linuxtogo.org |
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| 14:55.37 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: the rootfs is the most important part |
| 14:55.42 | sonic_ | ok |
| 14:55.58 | sonic_ | Is there an easy way to get my contacts on there? |
| 14:56.15 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: also, if you're still using u-boot (Qi is better, read the wiki page! ;) ), flash the latest version of u-boot as well, that's a must. |
| 14:56.55 | sonic_ | ok |
| 14:57.19 | leinir | So Qi is actually useable now :) |
| 14:57.21 | leinir | Nicely :) |
| 14:57.34 | PaulFertser_ | leinir: is that a question or a statement? ;) |
| 14:57.52 | leinir | Sort of a question, but a statement seen in respect to what you just said ;) |
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| 14:58.33 | PaulFertser_ | leinir: if you don't mind that it has no menu, yes, it's good and fast and easy to use. IMHO. |
| 14:59.55 | leinir | Well, as long as it otherwise works fine, i can use the NOR u-boot when that's needed :) |
| 15:00.09 | leinir | (for whatever reason, be it that nastiness with dead batteries or whatnot) |
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| 15:10.57 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: Would you recommend FDOM? |
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| 15:15.48 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcc6474ac69aa 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: add devrtc to cli-framework |
| 15:15.51 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re9ce74390961 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: fix bug in realtimeclock. closes FSO #330 |
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| 15:22.05 | sonic_ | Anyone using SHA. I'm trying to connect to my wifi network. It shows up in the scan and asks for a password. However, I can't seem to get a keyboard up to enter the PW. Any ints? |
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| 15:24.00 | sonic_ | never mind, found it :) |
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| 15:27.40 | kstar | Could someone direct me to a "generic" Free Runner channel? |
| 15:31.54 | mickeyl | more generic than this channel is only the mailing list |
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| 15:34.36 | kstar | Okay |
| 15:35.14 | kstar | Which distribution would you recommend for a stable phone, but with a whole bunch of packages |
| 15:35.39 | Ainulindale | SHR I'd say. |
| 15:35.42 | Ainulindale | But I'm biased :-) |
| 15:36.24 | mickeyl | definitely shr |
| 15:36.30 | kstar | had a whole bunch of trouble with SHR as far as the 'stable phone' part goes |
| 15:36.36 | johnsu01 | SHR but not with the latest kernel :) |
| 15:36.45 | mickeyl | qte might also work ok |
| 15:37.05 | kstar | I've currently tried QtE and SHR. I find QtE not-geeky-enough |
| 15:38.15 | Ainulindale | kstar: which kind of trouble? |
| 15:38.33 | mickeyl | well, qte is the 'user' image |
| 15:38.35 | ronny | hmm |
| 15:38.37 | mickeyl | i wouldn't develop for it |
| 15:39.13 | kstar | Sometimes, when I pick a call by clicking 'accept', the call gets accepted, but then the vibration doesn't cease, nor does the mic / speaker work |
| 15:39.16 | ronny | pim + pim-sync is my main reason for not having it as main phone :( |
| 15:39.29 | kstar | I mean, I don't hear anything, nor does the caller hear anything |
| 15:40.04 | Ainulindale | kstar: testing? |
| 15:40.08 | Ainulindale | If yes, try unstable. |
| 15:40.11 | kstar | Alinermedia: Yep. Testing. |
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| 15:40.12 | Ainulindale | Testing isn't up to date. |
| 15:40.17 | Ainulindale | (We should fix that, dammit) |
| 15:40.21 | Ainulindale | (I'll do so) |
| 15:40.37 | kstar | Ainulindale: I guess you (or someone else here) told me that, but then, I had (what I thought was) trouble with unstable. |
| 15:41.06 | Ainulindale | Which kind? |
| 15:41.08 | kstar | Ainulindale: But that, I think, was fake - my SIM wasn't sitting correctly inside the holder :-D |
| 15:41.17 | kstar | Ainulindale: GSM |
| 15:41.37 | Ainulindale | Heh |
| 15:41.45 | Ainulindale | Then retry with the SIM properly inserted :-) |
| 15:42.12 | dent | hm, I was using shr-testing as a daily phone... upgraded to unstable, but hit http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/232 -> returned to my almost-dead siemens phone, sigh |
| 15:42.42 | kstar | Well, I'm a KDE guy and would really love to get KDE running on this. Are there any successes? I heard there was a GSoC that ported KDE plasma onto the Freerunner? |
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| 16:07.38 | mwester | PaulFertser_: enjoying the latest kernel? ;-) |
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| 16:17.13 | kstar | Ainulindale: I'm back on unstable. Will report any bugs I find. Thanks |
| 16:17.53 | Ainulindale | kstar: Well I'm regenerating a version now so... :-) |
| 16:17.58 | Ainulindale | (Which will break the upgrade path) |
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| 16:21.25 | soul9 | hm, anyone using moko with a 64bit machine? |
| 16:21.36 | soul9 | i think the ether gadget doesn't work? |
| 16:22.02 | kstar | Oops |
| 16:22.19 | kstar | Ainulindale: Yep, I hit a problem. :-) |
| 16:22.29 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * rfffe681572be 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710/posixextra.vapi src/multiplexer.vala): posixextra is now part of upstream vala |
| 16:22.41 | kstar | Ainulindale: Will wait. Thanks for that info |
| 16:23.15 | Ainulindale | kstar: first problem will be no usb, you have to reboot and it's gone |
| 16:23.59 | kstar | Ainulindale: Hold on, I didn't get you |
| 16:24.07 | kstar | Ainulindale: I thought the repos were broken. |
| 16:24.17 | Ainulindale | ? |
| 16:24.21 | Ainulindale | Why would it be? |
| 16:24.21 | kstar | Ainulindale: I'm using a version I downloaded 2 ~ 3 days back |
| 16:24.28 | kstar | will investigate |
| 16:24.31 | Ainulindale | kstar: wait |
| 16:24.36 | Ainulindale | We modified lots of thing recently |
| 16:24.43 | Ainulindale | Things that will break the upgrade path with opkg |
| 16:24.49 | Ainulindale | Only way to have a sane image is to reflash |
| 16:25.21 | soul9 | ok, so shouldn't upgrade on unstable, just reflash from a daily image? |
| 16:25.31 | Ainulindale | Right now, yes |
| 16:25.37 | Ainulindale | But it's not usual |
| 16:25.39 | soul9 | allright |
| 16:25.43 | kstar | Okay |
| 16:25.45 | Ainulindale | That's just because we follow fso OE branch |
| 16:25.48 | Ainulindale | Which reverted some patches |
| 16:25.51 | kstar | But can I do opkg install's |
| 16:25.57 | Ainulindale | Which imply things |
| 16:26.06 | Ainulindale | kstar: yes you can, you'll probably bork your system on the long term though |
| 16:26.13 | soul9 | ⺠|
| 16:26.20 | kstar | Okay, I get it |
| 16:26.25 | kstar | Thanks. |
| 16:26.28 | Ainulindale | Images are here by the way |
| 16:26.29 | Ainulindale | I didn't test them |
| 16:26.46 | soul9 | º anyone having problems with cdc_ether on a 64bit system? or is it just debian's kernel that's broken? |
| 16:26.51 | soul9 | s/º/so |
| 16:27.02 | soul9 | heh |
| 16:27.04 | Ainulindale | No problem with my AMD64 |
| 16:27.25 | soul9 | ok, then debian unstable kernel's cdc_ether is borken |
| 16:27.26 | soul9 | thanks |
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| 16:28.19 | soul9 | [39776.590571] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 16:28.19 | soul9 | [39778.020346] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
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| 16:29.36 | Ainulindale | Ok, flashing. |
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| 16:47.24 | SM2k | notes that the atpoff script mentioned on the openmoko wiki assumes that all init scripts get called on shutdown. which actually isn't always true these days. |
| 16:47.53 | SM2k | some distros try to "optimize" by only running stop for daemons that created a pid file in /var/run |
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| 16:49.30 | mwester | atpoff is not required for most current distros, and depending on which kernel you have, the kernel may be powering off the device at shutdown on the gta02 hardware. |
| 16:50.11 | kstar | I'm running 23rd Jan's unstable release, but almost every crucial (phone-related) app closes unexpectedly with 'No error message' |
| 16:50.15 | kstar | Any pointers? |
| 16:50.36 | Ainulindale | check /var/log/ophonekitd.log |
| 16:51.06 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: no, FDOM is 2008.x based |
| 16:51.20 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: it was meant for you, sorry, soul9 :) |
| 16:51.21 | kstar | Okay, it's the same thing: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/232 |
| 16:51.23 | kstar | Ainulindale: ^ |
| 16:51.40 | Ainulindale | kstar: that's what frameworkd returns |
| 16:51.49 | Ainulindale | So try to relaunch ophonekitd |
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| 16:51.52 | Ainulindale | (DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&) |
| 16:51.58 | kstar | Okay |
| 16:52.07 | sonic_ | PaulFertser_: So it was FSO that you use? |
| 16:52.26 | PaulFertser_ | sonic_: i use Debian with FSO from git HEAD installed manually |
| 16:53.09 | sonic_ | Ah, hmmm... It seems hard to find a distro with everything I'd like |
| 16:53.59 | kstar | Ainulindale: Seems to be working now |
| 16:54.43 | Ainulindale | kstar: great then |
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| 16:55.21 | PaulFertser_ | mwester: not yet :) In fact i'm very disappointed by the level of effort Andy puts *himself* in the android support. I think i see no other way to good FR support kernel-wise apart from the tracking approach. It's bad for the users now, but we'll all benefit when the stuff finally hits upstream. But what bothers me is that some real bugs are not dealt with and android shit gets attention instead. |
| 16:56.10 | leinir | But... It's shiny! ;) |
| 16:56.36 | kstar | Ainulindale: So I need to do this everytime I reboot? |
| 16:56.51 | kstar | Ainulindale: Why is it that it works off a terminal, while not from init.d or whatever? |
| 16:57.11 | Ainulindale | kstar: it's supposed to work |
| 16:57.18 | Ainulindale | But it doesn't for no apparent reasons |
| 16:57.24 | Ainulindale | I'll investigate that |
| 16:57.36 | SM2k | mwester: good to know |
| 16:57.55 | SM2k | I was busily installing the script, but I guess it's not useful. can't hurt given it's only for power down |
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| 16:58.44 | kstar | Ainulindale: Can I help? |
| 16:59.06 | Ainulindale | Well yeah, you could investigate yourself what it outputs that message for no reason |
| 16:59.10 | Ainulindale | s/what/why/ |
| 16:59.38 | kstar | Hmm |
| 16:59.43 | kstar | Ainulindale: Any hints on how to do that? |
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| 17:00.23 | Ainulindale | kstar: Nope :-) |
| 17:00.44 | kstar | Ainulindale: ophonekitd crashed again |
| 17:01.01 | Ainulindale | which reason this time? |
| 17:01.09 | Ainulindale | Please add your log and frameworkd.log to the ticket |
| 17:01.35 | kstar | This is what it says: Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist |
| 17:01.38 | kstar | Okay |
| 17:01.41 | Ainulindale | ? |
| 17:01.45 | Ainulindale | That shouldn't be there |
| 17:01.53 | Ainulindale | Are you using GTA02 or GTA01? |
| 17:02.02 | Ainulindale | (Either way, it shouldn't be there. Did you flash the kernel?) |
| 17:02.03 | kstar | GTA02 |
| 17:02.04 | mwester | PaulFertser_: I'm actually glad that I am not the only person who has noticed that Andy seems infatuated with Android, and gives it preferential treatment -- it proves I'm not imagining it. I share the concern about lack of priorities. |
| 17:02.25 | kstar | Ainulindale: Okay, I could be using an old kernel, then :-S |
| 17:02.43 | Ainulindale | kstar: then upgrade to the one in the unstable dir |
| 17:02.50 | Ainulindale | this is because ophonekitd tries to suspend |
| 17:02.53 | Ainulindale | and can't get the power status |
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| 17:04.22 | kstar | Okay |
| 17:04.43 | kstar | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin from the unstable directory, right? |
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| 17:10.02 | johnsu01 | kstar, Ainulindale: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/122 |
| 17:10.27 | johnsu01 | well, Ainulindale obviously already knows about it :) |
| 17:10.35 | Ainulindale | johnsu01: This is old and known |
| 17:11.39 | Ainulindale | johnsu01: answered |
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| 17:25.58 | johnsu01 | raster: btw, for the get_e.sh script, I had to install pkg-config, which I guess the script doesn't check for. Otherwise eina build fails on a configure error. |
| 17:26.48 | johnsu01 | raster: (on my debian FR install) |
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| 17:45.40 | SM2k | decides it's time to move to FSO |
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| 17:45.56 | SM2k | after all, I don't give a rat about actually using this device as a phone. :-) |
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| 17:50.03 | root_at | hey, i want to compile things with the toolchain. do i have to make everything? i mean the libmokoui2 needs gtk+ which needs glib, pango...? |
| 17:51.02 | SM2k | root_at: generally no, you don't have to compile anything |
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| 17:52.03 | root_at | SM2k, but why isnt it working? i tried to om-conf the sample and it says that there is no libmokoui2, so i wanted to compile libmokoui2, but this lib needs gtk, which needs,...? |
| 17:52.33 | SM2k | you followed the wiki on using the toolchain? |
| 17:53.00 | SM2k | anybody know where FSO images are? PaulFertser_ was it you who'd suggested FSO-unstable? |
| 17:53.13 | root_at | not exactly cause i cant, i am using archlinux. but i installed the toolchain with yaourt openmoko-toolchain, someone build a package |
| 17:53.28 | root_at | and i also installed the toolchain by hand |
| 17:54.10 | SM2k | root_at: gotcha. well using debian I had no trouble. when I needed a package I just used target-install to put it into the toolchain dir structure |
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| 17:55.12 | root_at | SM2k, but i cant opkg-target install libmokoui2 |
| 17:55.32 | SM2k | eh? on the phone or in the dev-stack? |
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| 17:57.14 | root_at | SM2k, on my archlinux |
| 17:57.47 | root_at | ohh i forget to opkg update...hope it works then |
| 17:58.48 | root_at | hm...opkg update seems to do nothing, and opkg-target update just gives me 404's |
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| 18:00.24 | SM2k | opkg-target is the command you're looking for. it's an alias to the binary in the toolchain tree |
| 18:00.34 | SM2k | you did run the setup-env script I assume? |
| 18:00.39 | SM2k | source it that is |
| 18:00.50 | root_at | i did run it |
| 18:01.00 | root_at | what should i source` |
| 18:01.01 | root_at | ? |
| 18:01.50 | SM2k | root_at: I've found that the openmoko wiki does tell you the right stuff, you just have to read it carefully because it doesn't beat you over the head with most of the info. I admit to needing to re-read sections because I skimmed and skipped steps. |
| 18:02.00 | SM2k | no you do not need to source, if you used . |
| 18:02.55 | root_at | i read it several times...i just will go on compiling everythings i need |
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| 18:03.36 | root_at | oh and opkg-target update doesnt totally 404..its getting all armv4t and gta02..i think there shouldnt be more |
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| 18:05.11 | SM2k | root_at: I remember seeing some 404's and simply ignored them. in my case it did the right thing |
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| 18:06.38 | root_at | SM2k, but can you install libmokoui2 with opkg-target install libmokoui2? |
| 18:07.10 | SM2k | root_at: my system's a mess atm, so I can't check. sorry. |
| 18:07.34 | root_at | SM2k, ok, thanks so far |
| 18:07.47 | SM2k | np. sorry I can't be more useful to you |
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| 18:09.20 | root_at | SM2k, its working now, i needed to opkg-target install libmokoui2-0 you helped me alot ;) |
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| 18:10.32 | root_at | hope that i can compile the sample now : / |
| 18:10.40 | SM2k | oops. duh. I should have thought of that |
| 18:11.10 | root_at | i forget it everytime...its not usually to me that i have to add version numbers |
| 18:11.17 | SM2k | root_at: you'll notice opkg opkg-cl opkg-target and friends have a list arg that you could pipe to grep |
| 18:11.23 | SM2k | as in opkg-target list |
| 18:11.36 | SM2k | opkg-target list | grep libmokoui |
| 18:11.41 | root_at | yeah, i found that out with opkg-target list | grep libmokoui |
| 18:13.08 | root_at | shit..he still cant find libmokoui, but its in /usr/local/openmoko/..../lib... |
| 18:13.17 | SM2k | root_at: once you get your head wrapped around all this stuff you should be in good shape. |
| 18:13.42 | SM2k | I pretty much sounded like a hopeless n00b last week myself :-) |
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| 18:14.04 | SM2k | (not to say you do. hope it didn't come across like that) |
| 18:14.24 | root_at | i would call myself a noob, my FR is just 2 weeks old |
| 18:14.33 | root_at | and i didnt have that much time yet |
| 18:14.44 | SM2k | root_at: as are the ones in my hands |
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| 18:15.17 | SM2k | heads afk for a moment |
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| 18:22.26 | root_at | SM2k, is it fine that there is no file for libmokoui2-0 in /..../pkgconfig? |
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| 18:23.12 | SM2k | should be |
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| 19:05.49 | SM2k | how does one alter the settings on the FSO image to have it not shut off? |
| 19:06.18 | SM2k | as in auto-standby? |
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| 19:12.43 | jonsmith1982 | add suspend=0 under idle.notifier in /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 19:12.55 | jonsmith1982 | or disable=1 |
| 19:13.06 | jonsmith1982 | something like that |
| 19:13.26 | SM2k | jonsmith1982: ah, I'd just found the config stuff thru the gui |
| 19:13.47 | jonsmith1982 | there are instructions for that on the wiki |
| 19:13.50 | SM2k | looks like FSO distinguishes between shutting off the display and going into poweroff mode? |
| 19:13.56 | jonsmith1982 | check under shr |
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| 19:14.15 | SM2k | jonsmith1982: thanks |
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| 19:53.42 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf6f70350a18a 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: remove org.freesmartphone.Device.RealTimeClock.Suspend |
| 19:53.43 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5f9b1f9df7fc 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: complete the integer types |
| 19:54.12 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * rc1a0eda021ce 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: complete the integer types |
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| 20:23.00 | root_at | what do i need to install if glib.h is missing?(toolchain) i have libglib-2.0-dev |
| 20:25.53 | leinir | rejoice? ;) |
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| 20:50.27 | root_at | can anyone plz help me with the toolchain? its not finding any includes |
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| 21:37.58 | mmp | Hello; are there any (un-)official informations about when or whether there will be some GTA03 designs around? |
| 21:38.37 | mmp | GTA03 page doesn't say much, as well as MokoForesight (which seems to be quite outdated) |
| 21:40.11 | Tig| | I didn't think there was anything about GTA03 announced yet apart from they were hoping it would happen this year |
| 21:44.18 | mmp | Tig|: 'it would happen' = announcement, initial design, or even design finalization? |
| 21:46.02 | Tig| | mmp it is openmoko they could mean anything |
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| 21:49.59 | sloot | Free Rapidshare accounts: http://konta-rs.waw.pl/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=24c221a2e836fc59cc0dcdac1f103d78 |
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| 21:55.45 | mmp | Tig|: :-) ok, thanks anyway |
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| 22:46.37 | henk | what are the event files in /dev/input/? 1 has to be the touchscreen afaict. what about the others? |
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| 22:47.01 | cjb | accelerometers |
| 22:47.11 | cjb | and buttons |
| 22:47.18 | henk | cjb: which is which? |
| 22:47.29 | cjb | don't remember, think 2 and 3 are accel |
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| 22:58.28 | Zic | hi, can openmoko support SMS acknowledgment? |
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| 23:27.10 | henk | yay finally i got it to work :) now what do i do with it? 'g' |
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| 23:27.40 | Dave | Heh :P |
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| 23:55.58 | Toaster` | I just flashed SHR-Unstable to see how it is, pretty decent, needs polish (but it's unstable so meh), but e seems to be running at 20-25% all the time. Is this expected? |
| 23:57.40 | Dave | Yeah, it's a known bug. |
| 23:57.54 | Toaster` | Ahh ok, cool |
| 23:58.02 | Toaster` | It is unstable after all |