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| 09:33.54 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:34.36 | gfather1 | hello guys |
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| 09:36.30 | gfather1 | guys wich one would u prefer more to work on , fso , or shr ? |
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| 09:39.18 | methril | morning |
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| 09:41.57 | gfather1 | methril : good morning |
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| 09:44.41 | sakkara | gfather1: both! :-) |
| 09:44.55 | gfather1 | sakkara that wont help :) |
| 09:45.38 | gfather1 | i would like to go with shr , but the one i tested my gsm dont work :( |
| 09:46.05 | sakkara | i use shr as my daily phone |
| 09:46.10 | sakkara | wokrs good |
| 09:46.28 | gfather1 | which image u have ? |
| 09:46.32 | sakkara | testing |
| 09:47.01 | gfather1 | :) |
| 09:47.09 | gfather1 | i dont thnk they have stable |
| 09:47.14 | sakkara | no |
| 09:47.27 | sakkara | there is testing and unstable |
| 09:48.55 | sakkara | if you want to work on shr, join #openmoko-cdevel |
| 09:49.06 | sakkara | the shr devs are hanging out there |
| 09:50.48 | gfather1 | cools |
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| 10:19.38 | PaulFertser_ | gfather1: how's your progress? |
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| 10:27.09 | gfather1 | <PaulFertser_ i just said hi to you , did you get it ? |
| 10:27.11 | gfather1 | <PaulFertser_ i mad it work ;) |
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| 10:29.21 | PaulFertser_ | gfather1: hi :) |
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| 10:52.12 | soul9_j | hi |
| 10:52.25 | soul9_j | hi |
| 10:53.51 | soul9_j | err, i tried to flash the kernel using nandwrite, but it didn't work |
| 10:54.02 | soul9_j | and it marked all of the blocks of the kernel partition as bad |
| 10:54.07 | soul9_j | suxxor ;( |
| 10:55.16 | soul9_j | is it possible to unmark them, if i manage to boot the phone? |
| 10:55.29 | soul9_j | dfu-utils doesn't like it either, the write fails |
| 10:56.16 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: it is possible, we did it yesterday |
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| 10:57.02 | badcloud | hey all |
| 10:57.08 | badcloud | for common knowledge |
| 10:57.08 | gfather1 | hay bad |
| 10:57.09 | badcloud | : |
| 10:57.19 | badcloud | what up gfath |
| 10:57.38 | badcloud | qi + and + shr: hang on landscape mode |
| 10:57.51 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, phew, i was starting to panic here.. |
| 10:57.53 | badcloud | hang on trying to access illume config |
| 10:57.57 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: basically, you can connect to u-boot via ACM device and issue some commands. |
| 10:58.00 | badcloud | (top left) |
| 10:58.08 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: no need to panic with GTA02, it's unbrickable :) |
| 10:58.12 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, using nandwrite? |
| 10:58.13 | soul9_j | heheh |
| 10:58.22 | soul9_j | really hopes so!!! :-D |
| 10:58.37 | badcloud | the illume hang is more of a touchscreen issue |
| 10:58.44 | badcloud | the hardware buttons work |
| 10:59.05 | badcloud | oh, and no gsm on cold boot |
| 10:59.08 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ACM? |
| 10:59.11 | badcloud | (Netcom, Norway) |
| 10:59.20 | soul9_j | the u-boot in NOR is fine, right? :-) |
| 10:59.20 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: cdc_acm driver, yes |
| 10:59.24 | PaulFertser_ | yes |
| 10:59.31 | soul9_j | ok, cool |
| 10:59.41 | soul9_j | then what needs be done? maybe a wiki page would be nice |
| 10:59.51 | soul9_j | i'll makje a wiki page if we manage to do this |
| 10:59.54 | soul9_j | make* |
| 11:00.06 | PaulFertser_ | first, you need to see how many blocks are marked as bad: "nand bad" will list them |
| 11:00.23 | soul9_j | pretty much all of them imo |
| 11:00.38 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: AYT? |
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| 11:00.57 | soul9_j | so i need to boot the device into NOR u-boot, then connect to it using this cdc_acm driver? |
| 11:02.10 | PaulFertser_ | yes |
| 11:02.42 | soul9_j | hohoooo, and i have the cdc_acm module compiled for my kernel |
| 11:02.46 | soul9_j | ok, doing that |
| 11:03.16 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:03.28 | soul9_j | booted not u-boot, modprobe'd the cdc_acm driver |
| 11:03.42 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: now use minicom or other terminal program |
| 11:03.55 | PaulFertser_ | connect to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:03.58 | soul9_j | emerging minicom |
| 11:04.09 | badcloud | forgot to mention also, bluetooth is on by default and won't stay off between boots |
| 11:04.27 | badcloud | and the brightness setting in the same gui is unknown |
| 11:04.41 | badcloud | I'm guessing this is an andy-tracking thing |
| 11:05.06 | badcloud | not looking for a fix, just thought it might be of some help to the devs |
| 11:05.57 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: yes, BT is on by default with andy-tracking. I think he'll change that soon. But he doesn't read this channel ;) |
| 11:06.51 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, how do you connect to it with minicom |
| 11:06.57 | badcloud | ah |
| 11:07.12 | badcloud | so where do I pass on all these juicy nuggets? |
| 11:07.51 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: brightness is ok, no need to worry. About BT off by default, report to kernel ML :) |
| 11:08.06 | badcloud | brightness doesn't seem to be budging |
| 11:08.15 | badcloud | landscape freezes the unit |
| 11:08.23 | soul9_j | i think i got it |
| 11:08.23 | badcloud | at least the graphics |
| 11:08.27 | soul9_j | in minicom config |
| 11:08.29 | soul9_j | saved the config |
| 11:08.34 | soul9_j | connecting to the thing... |
| 11:08.51 | badcloud | and accessing the illume setup at the top left results in touchscreen f%^&ups |
| 11:09.16 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ok, connected |
| 11:09.17 | badcloud | almost identical to those of the Dec 24th kernel |
| 11:09.25 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: nand bad |
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| 11:09.43 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:09.53 | soul9_j | Device 0 bad blocks: |
| 11:09.57 | soul9_j | <long list> |
| 11:10.02 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: ok |
| 11:10.23 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: nand scrub |
| 11:10.41 | soul9_j | really scrub? |
| 11:10.43 | soul9_j | Y |
| 11:10.47 | soul9_j | ? |
| 11:10.48 | soul9_j | :-) |
| 11:11.10 | PaulFertser_ | Yes |
| 11:11.39 | soul9_j | god |
| 11:11.44 | soul9_j | i can't answer |
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| 11:12.01 | badcloud | such a lovehate thing going on between me and this phone |
| 11:12.17 | badcloud | haven't had sex with it yet but can't take my eyes off it |
| 11:12.18 | soul9_j | i think the minicom config isn't entirely right... |
| 11:12.20 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: press enter and wait or smth like that |
| 11:12.23 | badcloud | pardon my french |
| 11:12.52 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, it can't read my answer for some weird reason |
| 11:13.01 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: disable flow control probably. (there should be instructions on the wiki on how to interact with u-boot best) |
| 11:13.07 | soul9_j | hmm |
| 11:13.09 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:13.38 | badcloud | great, now I can't access contacts |
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| 11:15.37 | PaulFertser_ | Too bad th0br0 didn't document what exactly he has done to get rid of "false" bad blocks. |
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| 11:16.14 | badcloud | any clue, Paul? |
| 11:17.00 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: I don't use SHR. I guess you haven't activated GSM and contacts can't be read from SIM because of it. Just a guess. |
| 11:18.11 | badcloud | gsm was on, but I'll look into it |
| 11:18.23 | badcloud | I'm reading a bug referring to full sms inbox |
| 11:18.24 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, okay, done |
| 11:18.26 | soul9_j | that's it? |
| 11:18.30 | badcloud | though I'm not that popular |
| 11:18.37 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: it takes almost a minute to read the contacts from SIM |
| 11:18.42 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: what did you change? |
| 11:18.49 | soul9_j | the modem init string |
| 11:18.59 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i start minicom with -o usually :) |
| 11:18.59 | soul9_j | nulled that, and it worked nicely |
| 11:19.03 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:19.11 | soul9_j | never really used it before... |
| 11:19.12 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: ok, now do "nand createbbt" |
| 11:19.16 | badcloud | until contacts is functional or until the signal kicks in? |
| 11:19.16 | soul9_j | thanks, PaulFertser_ |
| 11:19.28 | Defiant- | why is openmoko using opendns in resolv.conf? |
| 11:19.56 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ok, done |
| 11:20.14 | vininim | Defiant-: good default |
| 11:20.22 | vininim | I guess |
| 11:20.23 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: dynpart |
| 11:20.39 | Defiant- | root@om-gta02:~# ping muhkuh |
| 11:20.39 | Defiant- | PING muhkuh (67.215.65.132): 56 data bytes |
| 11:20.47 | Defiant- | vininim: this shouldn't happen, should it? |
| 11:21.22 | vininim | Defiant-: you can disable some opendns services |
| 11:21.48 | vininim | opendns used to break perl tests because of stuff like that |
| 11:21.49 | badcloud | worked after reboot |
| 11:21.51 | lindi- | vininim: not good default :/ |
| 11:21.54 | Defiant- | oh catch-all dns is a "service" |
| 11:22.10 | badcloud | but now the touchscreen is still buggy |
| 11:22.15 | badcloud | woes |
| 11:22.38 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: ? |
| 11:22.42 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ok |
| 11:22.54 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: dynenv set u-boot_env |
| 11:23.00 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, i'm at work, gotta do as if i was working sometimes when my boss passes ;-) |
| 11:23.05 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: And paste the one-line output here |
| 11:23.20 | soul9_j | device 0 offset 0x40000, size 0x40000 |
| 11:23.20 | soul9_j | 45 4e 56 30 - 00 00 04 00 |
| 11:23.22 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i understand that :))) |
| 11:23.26 | badcloud | anyway to delete all sms on sim (and phone??)?\ |
| 11:23.42 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: not sure it's needed but try "saveenv" nevertheless |
| 11:24.10 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: after that reboot and hope for the best |
| 11:24.15 | soul9_j | :-) |
| 11:24.34 | soul9_j | i'll have to reflash kernel and root anyways, no? |
| 11:24.40 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i should have warned you that *all* NAND contents is destroyed |
| 11:24.45 | soul9_j | yep |
| 11:24.50 | soul9_j | _all_? |
| 11:24.53 | soul9_j | ah, qi too, then |
| 11:24.55 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:25.11 | soul9_j | well, that sucks, but still better than having bricked my fr |
| 11:25.14 | badcloud | new update: having the app messages open makes the screen buggy |
| 11:25.28 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i very much hope that you will make a wiki page about it (it should work well now). |
| 11:25.34 | soul9_j | hmm |
| 11:25.35 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:25.37 | badcloud | no wait, that's not solid |
| 11:26.12 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: and mention "mmontour" there, it was he who told me about the "nand scrub" command ;) |
| 11:26.26 | badcloud | you using another distr aside from debian, Paul? |
| 11:27.19 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: nope, only Debian on my FR. I booted several times into 2007.x that's still on my NAND just to install debian and after that to tweak some files. |
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| 11:28.10 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, allright |
| 11:28.40 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: does it work now? |
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| 11:29.30 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, trying to flash kernel, i just quickly wrote down the commands to remember.. |
| 11:29.50 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i think if you're using only Qi in NAND, dyn* steps are not necessary. But if one is going to install u-boot in NAND, then he should also flash the environment. |
| 11:30.12 | badcloud | and Paul, have you managed to get functioning after resume? |
| 11:30.58 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, well, it doesn't hurt, does it? :-) |
| 11:31.08 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: last time i tested, BT sometimes refused to work after resume. Everything else worked for me. |
| 11:31.21 | soul9_j | yep, works fine, THANKS PaulFertser_ !!! |
| 11:31.22 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: No, it doesn't :) |
| 11:31.25 | badcloud | I might take that plunge myself |
| 11:31.46 | badcloud | any tips? |
| 11:35.29 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: i guess "saveenv" is not necessary at all, u-boot users have to flash the new environment anyway and saveenv probably does nothing in NOR u-boot. |
| 11:36.37 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: "dynpart" is also can be skipped but then "dynenv set 0x00004000" must be used instead of "u-boot_env". |
| 11:37.13 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: if you have the logs how you screwed the kernel partition, i think they worth sending to the kernel mailing list. |
| 11:37.54 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, i was trying to flash a kernel image to the pertition |
| 11:38.02 | soul9_j | so i followed the wiki instructions |
| 11:38.06 | soul9_j | using nandwrite -m |
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| 11:38.19 | soul9_j | and it happily marked pretty much all of the blocks as badblocks |
| 11:39.02 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: with andy-tracking? |
| 11:44.35 | spydon | Does anyone know which dependencies that KO-lightsaber application has? |
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| 11:46.38 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, can you check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Clearing_BadBlocks ? |
| 11:46.48 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: and please, make a note in the wikipage with that nandwrite instruction that it's not always work. |
| 11:46.49 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, no, with default shr-unstable kernel |
| 11:47.03 | soul9_j | so i guess i have nothing to say... |
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| 11:47.21 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, err, doesn't always work? |
| 11:47.23 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: shr-unstable is andy-tracking for quite some time. If it's .28, that's it. |
| 11:47.32 | soul9_j | think so, yea |
| 11:47.49 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: you used nandwrite and it didn't work. So, warn the others :) |
| 11:47.55 | soul9_j | heh |
| 11:47.56 | soul9_j | ok |
| 11:48.40 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, you mean on the flashing the freerunner page? |
| 11:49.01 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: have you seen my latest remarks about "saveenv" and "dynpart" commands not necessary? |
| 11:49.05 | soul9_j | gah, all my backup image is at home ;( |
| 11:49.28 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: yes, whereever you found that nandwrite instruction that screwed up your NAND. |
| 11:49.36 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, yes, but it wasn't as clear as just adding them. and since they don't hurt, i rather just add it |
| 11:49.42 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ok |
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| 11:50.24 | ronny | anyone remembers where the uboot images are? the debian fixer messed up my nand bootloader and i need to reinstall a normal one |
| 11:50.46 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: you could have attached your good "nand bad" output so users can compare and make decision whether they really need to "nand scrub" or their problems caused by something else. |
| 11:51.10 | soul9_j | err |
| 11:51.17 | soul9_j | i lost that :-/ |
| 11:51.36 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: you lost your "bad" "nand bad" output. |
| 11:51.43 | lindi- | ronny: messed up? |
| 11:52.00 | lindi- | ronny: install.sh only writes to uboot_env |
| 11:52.11 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: but now your NAND is ok, so you can take the "good" one anytime. |
| 11:52.31 | soul9_j | ok, yep |
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| 11:53.07 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: It'd be cool if you provided a link to u-boot environment image and a note that those who use u-boot in NAND must reflash it as well. |
| 11:54.06 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: smth like that. Please don't think that i "order" you to do anything. I just hope that next time a user will face this issue, a good wiki entry will be ready for him :) |
| 11:54.17 | ronny | lindi-: sure? it cant boot debian any more since i installed shr on the device, and i just want to get it normal again |
| 11:55.09 | lindi- | ronny: yep |
| 11:55.13 | lindi- | ronny: read the script |
| 11:55.19 | lindi- | ronny: search for /dev/mtd2 |
| 11:55.25 | lindi- | ronny: uboot is /dev/mtd1 |
| 11:55.25 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, ok, added a comment to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner#Alternative:_using_nandwrite |
| 11:55.29 | lindi- | ronny: uboot_env is mtd2 |
| 11:55.38 | soul9_j | paulproteus, will add output, for now gotta go eat |
| 11:55.43 | soul9_j | c yall |
| 11:55.56 | PaulFertser_ | soul9_j: thank you! :) |
| 11:56.16 | soul9_j | PaulFertser_, and thank you!! :-) |
| 11:56.39 | ronny | hmm, damit, i caont find the install.sh any more |
| 11:58.14 | ronny | lindi-: ok, how to fix it? |
| 11:59.32 | lindi- | ronny: how is it broken? |
| 12:00.03 | ronny | lindi-: well, debian wont boot, and i want to restore the normal way of booting |
| 12:00.38 | lindi- | ronny: just restore uboot configuration? |
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| 12:01.04 | ronny | lindi-: no backup |
| 12:01.28 | PaulFertser_ | Just install Qi? ;) |
| 12:02.08 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: it seems Qi is not as user-friendly as i thought it is. Looks like "ordinary users" can't read and understand the whole wiki page :-/ |
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| 12:09.11 | spaetz | I found Qi to be really painless to install and use |
| 12:09.19 | ronny | hmm |
| 12:09.30 | ronny | ok, stuff seems to just boot |
| 12:09.33 | spaetz | can't be less intrusive than that and works like a charm |
| 12:10.07 | spaetz | just some visual indication like a blinking LED would be nice to see that actually something is happening |
| 12:10.36 | ronny | yeah |
| 12:10.45 | ronny | hmk |
| 12:10.56 | ronny | now i'll use nor for flashing a new shr image |
| 12:12.13 | PaulFertser_ | spaetz: Qi has indication, it blinks AUX red led. |
| 12:12.18 | ronny | hmm |
| 12:12.22 | ronny | dammit |
| 12:12.40 | ronny | anyone got an idea where the shr jffs file went? |
| 12:13.02 | ronny | the latest images article talks about it, but in the actual path for downloading there is a tbz |
| 12:13.10 | ronny | eh tgz |
| 12:14.47 | ronny | ok, wrong paths from the om wiki |
| 12:15.06 | spaetz | PaulFertser_: yes, but just once |
| 12:15.22 | spaetz | and if you happen to not notice that you are lost until something else happens 30 secs later or so |
| 12:15.39 | spaetz | which is enough time for me to pry out the battery as I think something went wrong :-) |
| 12:15.55 | PaulFertser_ | Ha, i just turn to my PC and look at IRC window :) |
| 12:16.08 | ronny | lol |
| 12:20.48 | badcloud | flashing 2008.9, preparing to brave debian sd install |
| 12:20.58 | badcloud | what exciting lives we lea |
| 12:21.00 | badcloud | d |
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| 12:33.18 | badcloud | fedora live cd doesn't recognise usb0 when FR is running 2008.(? |
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| 12:33.34 | badcloud | 2008.9 |
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| 12:37.42 | badcloud | little help |
| 12:37.44 | badcloud | ? |
| 12:37.52 | Fale | hi :) |
| 12:38.03 | badcloud | hey there Fale |
| 12:38.11 | Fale | hi badcloud |
| 12:38.29 | badcloud | how's it going? |
| 12:38.36 | Fale | goob thx |
| 12:38.44 | badcloud | great |
| 12:38.47 | Fale | and you? |
| 12:38.51 | badcloud | meh |
| 12:38.53 | badcloud | ok |
| 12:39.52 | badcloud | can't seem to recognize the FR under fedora livecd |
| 12:40.20 | badcloud | any advice/tips? |
| 12:40.48 | lindi- | badcloud: lsusb |
| 12:41.12 | SpeedEvil | A) Is it plugged in |
| 12:41.16 | SpeedEvil | B) Is it switched on |
| 12:41.36 | badcloud | speed, C) all of the above |
| 12:41.43 | SpeedEvil | C) Do you have the cdc_ether module compiled in, or loaded |
| 12:41.54 | badcloud | wouldn't know about your C) |
| 12:42.00 | SpeedEvil | E) Have you ifconfig'd it and set it up properly |
| 12:42.08 | Fale | SpeedEvil: maybe fedora live does not |
| 12:42.12 | badcloud | you forgot D) |
| 12:42.12 | ronny | hmm |
| 12:42.21 | SpeedEvil | D) collect underpants |
| 12:42.21 | ronny | qi aint nice |
| 12:42.26 | badcloud | lsusb output: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/bR4oQO |
| 12:42.31 | ronny | cant see whats happening |
| 12:42.43 | ronny | and it seems to have stopped booting |
| 12:42.46 | badcloud | how do you know what undies I'm wearing...? |
| 12:43.23 | badcloud | ssh-ing worked fine using the same livecd when it was booting shr |
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| 12:46.30 | badcloud | is there anyway to just install debian on the uSD using a usb card reader instead? |
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| 12:48.30 | PaulFertser_ | badcloud: yes, especiall if you host is debian-based. |
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| 12:57.20 | gfather1 | any one using latest shr image ? |
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| 13:04.48 | ronny | gfather1: just installed it, need to test it tho |
| 13:05.37 | ronny | hmm |
| 13:05.38 | gfather1 | ronny when u recive calls , u here anything ? |
| 13:05.44 | ronny | ssh doesnt seem to work |
| 13:05.51 | ronny | gfather1: didnt put my sim into the phone atm |
| 13:06.01 | gfather1 | i see |
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| 13:24.03 | ronny | ok, dammit |
| 13:24.16 | ronny | installed newest shr, and now i cant ssh to the phone any more |
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| 13:25.54 | max_posedon | ronny, for some reason dropbear doesn't starts on first boot |
| 13:26.09 | SpeedEvil | no keys? |
| 13:26.32 | max_posedon | I dont' know, but after 1-st reboot he begin works nice |
| 13:28.07 | ronny | reboots |
| 13:28.24 | spaetz | just rebooting should fix that, had that too |
| 13:34.41 | Dave | uh oh, ronny :p |
| 13:35.27 | ronny | hmm |
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| 13:39.59 | zylogue | I am considering 'upgrading' to an openmoko phone. I have a few questions, though. my current phone can act as a modem for my laptop, when i am out in the wild. can the openmoko phones do the same? will this phone work on the AT&T network in the US with the existing sim card i have? and finally, what is the method of syncing contacts and appointments? |
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| 13:41.56 | Dave | Hey lindi, you around? |
| 13:43.46 | Shlee | zylogue: If the US has the same hertz as the Australia phone.. I'll sell you a functional OM Secondhand lightly used |
| 13:44.15 | zylogue | shlee: PM? |
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| 13:44.26 | max_posedon | zylogue, I don't know about `work as modem`, but neo can connect itself to gprs, and can do NAT. |
| 13:44.52 | zylogue | max_posedon, that is what I needed to know on that question. Thanks |
| 13:46.28 | lindi- | Dave: yep |
| 13:46.42 | SpeedEvil | I've used my GTA01 as a modem |
| 13:46.47 | SpeedEvil | worked fine |
| 13:48.25 | Dave | Hey Lindi. Just wondering if you were a debian-eeepc user, too? :) |
| 13:48.41 | lindi- | Dave: nope |
| 13:49.53 | Dave | Aw, okay |
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| 14:54.09 | edje2 | hi all, a while ago i read that a bug is identified with gsm0710muxd, it has a 496 bytes buffer that silently overflows sometimes. but i can't seem to find the article again, or who is working on it. any ideas anyone? |
| 14:54.25 | edje2 | 4096* |
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| 15:42.51 | slaxxin | THANK YOU Openmoko |
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| 15:46.59 | xteraco_ | my FR |
| 15:48.46 | xteraco_ | Get Spares Pack with: |
| 15:48.46 | xteraco_ | 2 extra batteries |
| 15:48.46 | xteraco_ | Stereo headsets |
| 15:48.46 | xteraco_ | Openmoko travelerÂ’s pouch |
| 15:48.52 | xteraco_ | sorry wrong window |
| 15:51.29 | slaxxin | one of my batteries dissappeared an reappeared as a goat |
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| 16:06.27 | orzo | hi |
| 16:06.36 | orzo | i finished my adapter |
| 16:06.45 | orzo | http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-assembled.jpg |
| 16:07.13 | orzo | http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-in-action.jpg |
| 16:07.57 | orzo | i tried plugging in a usb keyboard and putting the phone in host mode |
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| 16:08.11 | orzo | doesn't seem to work |
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| 16:09.22 | orzo | loading usbhid while in host mode hangs |
| 16:09.32 | orzo | so does lspci |
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| 16:22.37 | orzo | excuse me. I meant so does lsusb. lspci is fine i'm sure. |
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| 16:37.09 | bernt | orzo: my keyboard worked without loading usbhid ... |
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| 16:37.46 | bernt | only the driver for the network card is loaded. |
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| 16:49.55 | PBeck | bin da wer noch? |
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| 16:52.51 | johnsu01 | investigates zhone segfaulting on Debian install.. |
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| 17:02.54 | gfather | anyone could help me to modify the debian auto installer to format my sd into 4 partition ? |
| 17:04.48 | gfather | no one ? |
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| 17:09.10 | slaxxin | that would be good |
| 17:09.36 | slaxxin | but then i wouldnt learn anything |
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| 17:10.08 | slaxxin | except hoe to push another button |
| 17:11.22 | Slaxxer | i had debian installed when it first appeared but now it seems to complicated:) |
| 17:12.17 | gfather | if i got it do this , ill give u notice |
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| 17:19.40 | root_at | hey, i am using shr testing, and sometimes sms just dont arrive..anyone same problem? with unstable? |
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| 17:26.51 | johnsu01 | sigh, why does setup.py for zhone install things to /usr/zhone? |
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| 17:39.01 | kirsch | hi all |
| 17:39.12 | kirsch | my usb networking isnt working... |
| 17:39.21 | kirsch | lsusb doesnt find the openmoko |
| 17:39.26 | kirsch | *show |
| 17:40.02 | kirsch | on the boot menu lsusb shows the openmoko, but when i boot FSO it diesapears |
| 17:40.06 | kirsch | any ideas? |
| 17:40.08 | kirsch | thx |
| 17:44.07 | SpeedEvil | there are two USB devices |
| 17:44.17 | SpeedEvil | one is the u-boot console |
| 17:44.35 | SpeedEvil | this is ttyUSB0 for example - cdc_acm handles it |
| 17:44.36 | Dave | Hey Speedy |
| 17:44.46 | SpeedEvil | the other is handled by the booted software |
| 17:45.13 | SpeedEvil | and can be anything, from a mass-storage device, to ICBM. |
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| 17:46.21 | kirsch | ahh, ok, so usb networking is broken on openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
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| 17:48.19 | kirsch | hmmmm... |
| 17:48.24 | kirsch | whe i try sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:48.26 | Defiant- | Has anyone of you got ko-lightsaber working on debian? |
| 17:48.28 | kirsch | i get: |
| 17:48.39 | kirsch | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 17:48.39 | kirsch | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 17:48.40 | kirsch | SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device |
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| 18:03.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Just wondering... I often have trouble explaining exactly what the FR is to people, and why it's not production-ready. The word I always use is prototype, but I'm just confirming; is that term an accurate description? |
| 18:04.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:04.57 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is almost there - a couple of mods, and it would be production ready. (hell - a couple of mods and so would GTA01) |
| 18:05.15 | SpeedEvil | The software is some way from that though. |
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| 18:07.28 | toshikondo | hello, there was a announcing for a hardware-fix resp buzz.... |
| 18:08.50 | toshikondo | sometimes ago |
| 18:08.56 | orzo | bernt: what about lsusb? |
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| 18:10.13 | orzo | bernt: freerunner or neo1973? |
| 18:10.21 | toshikondo | new information about that? |
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| 18:11.20 | orzo | i'm pretty sure all the connections are good and there's no unintentional shorts |
| 18:11.29 | orzo | so why can't I get any usb device to work? |
| 18:11.56 | orzo | and why does lsusb halt until i put the neo back into usb device mode |
| 18:12.10 | orzo | is this all to be expected? |
| 18:12.52 | orzo | i'm using gta01 |
| 18:13.42 | orzo | bernt: when you used a keyboard, did you use the 15kohm resistors from the data lines to ground? |
| 18:14.19 | orzo | or are y ou just using the freerunner with its powered usb mode |
| 18:15.13 | slaxxin | how about some hi resolution pics of the job:) |
| 18:15.28 | orzo | slaxxin: refering to me? |
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| 18:15.39 | orzo | i posted pics, did you see them? |
| 18:17.49 | slaxxin | i didnt see them |
| 18:18.28 | orzo | http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-assembled.jpg |
| 18:18.29 | slaxxin | ok i got it |
| 18:18.40 | orzo | http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-in-action.jpg |
| 18:21.01 | slaxxin | solar charger? |
| 18:21.23 | orzo | yes |
| 18:21.35 | orzo | my connection is flooded now heh |
| 18:21.41 | orzo | those images are on my home computer |
| 18:23.12 | slaxxin | well if i had an adapter that had a wire on it about 3 inches long would probly keep u from damageing your freerunner female receptacle on accident |
| 18:24.09 | orzo | what? |
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| 18:28.01 | orzo | are you suggesting swapping my little mini-B to full sized A bit with a wire? |
| 18:28.52 | orzo | or are you suggesting making shorter the power cable comming out of the altoids tin? |
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| 18:33.21 | slaxxin | need 1 with a wire |
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| 18:37.09 | orzo | ya.. a wire, you're saying something about a wire. That's all i know |
| 18:38.13 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 18:38.29 | slaxxin | i thought i was verbose enoughj |
| 18:39.03 | slaxxin | quote " the adapter" |
| 18:39.35 | slaxxin | or just an extension cable |
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| 18:39.46 | orzo | okay |
| 18:39.53 | orzo | but its pointless if it doesnt work |
| 18:39.59 | orzo | my device doesnt work as of yet |
| 18:40.02 | slaxxin | well |
| 18:40.17 | orzo | have you use usb host mode? |
| 18:40.32 | orzo | is it to be expected that lsusb would not respond? |
| 18:40.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.24 | doc|home | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/congress-gets-bill-to-make-cell-phone-cameras-go-click.ars |
| 18:47.32 | Defiant- | doc|home: lol? |
| 18:47.39 | doc|home | indeed |
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| 18:48.03 | Dave | ... |
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| 18:48.22 | joerg_42 | orzo: GTA01 has no powered hostmode for USB, and the Y-cable isn't designed for GTA01 aka Neo1973 |
| 18:48.31 | Dave | joerg :D |
| 18:48.39 | Dave | oh hey, it's orzo! |
| 18:49.11 | orzo | hi |
| 18:49.52 | orzo | so how do i use a usb device with the gta01 aka neo1973 ? |
| 18:50.30 | orzo | (somebody could have told me that before i did all this work to build the y-cable) |
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| 18:51.54 | orzo | joerg_42: are you saying there is no way to use the gta01 as a usb host? |
| 18:53.36 | orzo | what if i disconnect the power cables from the phone but leave them on the device? |
| 18:53.48 | orzo | will that work? |
| 18:54.11 | orzo | if i do that, should their still be resistor connections from the data lines to ground? |
| 18:54.57 | joerg_42 | 0lease see wiki, using 1973 with host mode has been discussed there verbosely |
| 18:55.13 | orzo | :| |
| 18:55.28 | orzo | you really think i havent read the wiki? |
| 18:55.34 | joerg_42 | basically: no resistors, no power to Neo |
| 18:55.40 | orzo | thankyou |
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| 18:55.57 | orzo | verbosely != clearly |
| 18:56.17 | joerg_42 | much more simple: use powered hub |
| 18:56.29 | orzo | it doesnt work with my powered hub |
| 18:56.38 | orzo | my powered hub doesnt want to blindly produce power |
| 18:57.11 | joerg_42 | hmm, too high quality ;-) |
| 18:58.05 | orzo | i'll just disconnect to lines in my adapter |
| 18:58.24 | orzo | and if i evr get a freerunner, i can reconnect them and use it as the y-cable |
| 18:58.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: nah, sorry. Maybe you even can keep power to 1973 |
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| 18:59.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | (gta02) yup |
| 18:59.31 | kirsch | whats the default ssh password for om2008.12 ? |
| 18:59.38 | kirsch | why its not blank? |
| 19:00.12 | orzo | DocScrutinizer2: If i can keep power, why doesn't it work now? Should i disconnect the resistors? |
| 19:00.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | it is not? o.O |
| 19:00.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 19:00.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | double R won't probably work |
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| 19:01.11 | orzo | hm |
| 19:01.33 | orzo | the resistors were a bitch to get on there |
| 19:01.53 | Dave | :D |
| 19:01.54 | Dave | picture? |
| 19:02.03 | orzo | if i disconnect power to the phone, it'll have the effect of making the resitors connected to nothing |
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| 19:02.52 | orzo | because the resistors are connected on the phone's connector |
| 19:03.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: 01 can take power from USB per default IIRC, so no need to remove power lines |
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| 19:04.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | the Rs still are connected to phone's GND, VDD then |
| 19:04.25 | orzo | oh |
| 19:04.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | even when cutting the linnes in adapter |
| 19:04.44 | Dave | hmm |
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| 19:07.02 | orzo | so i guess i have to cut the resistors |
| 19:07.08 | orzo | that's a shame tho |
| 19:07.09 | orzo | heh |
| 19:08.08 | Dave | How's it working, orzo? |
| 19:08.10 | orzo | DocScrutinizer2: what about lsusb and modprobe usbhid? |
| 19:08.17 | orzo | are those expected to hang when i put it in host mode? |
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| 19:09.04 | orzo | Dave: devices get power, connections are apparently good without shorts. Haven't seen a usb keyboard work though. lsusb hangs when in host mode, likewise if i want to load usbhid while in hostmode |
| 19:09.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno, I'd say no |
| 19:09.35 | orzo | DocScrutinizer2: the hangs are not related to my assembly. It hasppens when the phone isn't connected to anything |
| 19:10.13 | orzo | i'm using mwester's kernel for gta01 |
| 19:10.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | bug in driver? maybe related to 01? |
| 19:12.43 | Dave | Joerg, I'm thinking of duplicating orzo's design for gta02 |
| 19:12.48 | Dave | think it would be nice? :p |
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| 19:13.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: wait til its working ;-) |
| 19:14.14 | orzo | well theoretically itd work for gta02 now |
| 19:14.16 | orzo | rigth? |
| 19:14.24 | orzo | its all connected up with resistors |
| 19:14.26 | Dave | right |
| 19:15.19 | orzo | the thing it doesnt have is the id pin conection to the charger |
| 19:15.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: this is crap anyway |
| 19:16.01 | Dave | :( |
| 19:16.06 | Dave | Why so negative, Mr. J? |
| 19:17.26 | kirsch | i just dont get it: |
| 19:17.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | it's nonesense. the 47k should be assembled fixed into adapter |
| 19:17.52 | kirsch | what is the default password for om2008.12?? |
| 19:17.56 | kirsch | ssh |
| 19:18.14 | kirsch | folks, pleaaaseee heeelp (-; |
| 19:18.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | there's no password |
| 19:18.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | iirc |
| 19:18.32 | kirsch | i tried it with a blank pwd but it doesnt work |
| 19:18.45 | lindi- | kirsch: how does it fail? |
| 19:18.53 | orzo | how do we get access to the id pint to attach the 47k resistor? |
| 19:19.03 | kirsch | $ ssh root@openmoko |
| 19:19.03 | kirsch | root@openmoko's password: |
| 19:19.03 | kirsch | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 19:19.03 | kirsch | root@openmoko's password: |
| 19:19.03 | kirsch | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 19:19.04 | kirsch | root@openmoko's password: |
| 19:19.06 | kirsch | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 19:19.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | kirsch: delete .known-hosts? |
| 19:19.21 | orzo | is there a point to the 47k resistor for gta01 ? |
| 19:19.26 | lindi- | kirsch: what does dropbear log? |
| 19:19.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope |
| 19:19.39 | orzo | well thats why i didnt bother |
| 19:19.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, yes. sorry. |
| 19:20.13 | th0br0 | umm... could it be that there is no pdf reader in the shr repos? |
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| 19:20.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | it switches to fastcharge. but U can do this via sw |
| 19:21.04 | Dave | Wouldn't this work fine for gta02? |
| 19:21.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | as well |
| 19:21.33 | orzo | if we are powering a usb device with the 5v power line, shouldnt we want the phone to stay out of fast charge? |
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| 19:21.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | no, why? |
| 19:22.25 | orzo | I figured fast charge would draw more power and starve the usb device |
| 19:23.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | huh, your woording very fuzzy |
| 19:24.25 | orzo | i do not know how much power everythign needs and whether a single usb power connection could fast-charge the phone and also power a usb device |
| 19:24.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | charger can do 2A, thats quite a bit for fastcharge PLUS one device @ 500mA max |
| 19:24.35 | orzo | okay |
| 19:24.38 | orzo | well i dont have the charger |
| 19:24.50 | orzo | i intend to use the adapter with my battery pack |
| 19:25.01 | Dave | yeah, I saw that |
| 19:25.02 | Dave | it was cute :p |
| 19:25.09 | Dave | Joerg, he does have a legitimate point here :p |
| 19:25.14 | orzo | gta01 did not come with a charger |
| 19:25.18 | Dave | Even if it's confusing :) |
| 19:25.27 | Dave | orzo, that's odd. |
| 19:25.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | really |
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| 19:26.28 | orzo | i want to use the adapter to power a usb wifi adapter so that my gta01 can do wifi |
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| 19:27.10 | orzo | thats something a battery pack would probably be more handy for anyway |
| 19:27.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: yup, but he really needs to do such low lecel math by himself :-/ |
| 19:27.49 | orzo | um |
| 19:27.49 | kirsch | DocScrutinizer2, lindi-, thanks for the reply but its still not working |
| 19:27.57 | kirsch | ill do my math homewrok |
| 19:28.02 | kirsch | goodbie (-; |
| 19:28.05 | orzo | powering the phone and the device is probably wasteful |
| 19:28.09 | orzo | from a battery pack |
| 19:28.12 | orzo | even if it can do it |
| 19:28.30 | SpeedEvil | I've got a design that works for GTA01 wifi I think - but I can't try it as I need a sacrificial case. |
| 19:28.38 | Dave | orzo, yeah |
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| 19:28.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | kirsch: you need to do ssh-manpage homework. Orzo was the math-candidate |
| 19:28.53 | Dave | speedevil, power pack? |
| 19:29.01 | Dave | Joerg :) |
| 19:29.05 | SpeedEvil | Dave: internal LDO |
| 19:29.25 | Dave | ProfScrutinizer :) |
| 19:29.33 | Dave | Speedevil, oh |
| 19:29.52 | kirsch | DocScrutinizer2: lol |
| 19:30.15 | kirsch | afk |
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| 19:31.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: we don't have an 5V internal LDO |
| 19:31.20 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: I know |
| 19:31.34 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: 43.3V works fine tho |
| 19:31.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: 3.3 |
| 19:31.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 19:31.55 | SpeedEvil | And I know, it drops out at the last few % - but meh. |
| 19:32.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | even then we are short on 0.5A LDOs |
| 19:32.42 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: not really - if you don't care on the package |
| 19:32.47 | SpeedEvil | docs: |
| 19:32.54 | doc|home | :) |
| 19:32.54 | Dave | Joerg, I need to order more freerunner batteries... should I just purchase them from a Nokia reseller? :\ |
| 19:33.05 | slaxxin | no |
| 19:33.10 | Dave | dochome :P |
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| 19:34.33 | Dave | Cervajz :D |
| 19:34.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: I got some noname nokia spare from turkish ImEx |
| 19:34.41 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: but I never really finished the design - as I had no sacrificial case to try it in. |
| 19:34.41 | Dave | whoa |
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| 19:34.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.59 | Dave | ooh good |
| 19:35.04 | Dave | Joerg, unexploded? |
| 19:35.12 | Dave | :D |
| 19:35.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: need a GTA-case? |
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| 19:35.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: works fine |
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| 19:36.26 | Dave | Where should I order them from? :) |
| 19:37.16 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: It would be handy - I think I've still got the bits. Very simple really. LDO, GPS chip antenna, GPS amplifier, two wires soldered onto the back of the USB port, with a software switch. |
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| 19:38.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | have a bag of gta01 cases here ;-) |
| 19:38.32 | Dave | Oh sweet! |
| 19:38.39 | Dave | Can I buy a couple off you? ;) |
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| 19:40.38 | SpeedEvil | LVDS van eck isn't even news, that was done a few years ago |
| 19:40.42 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 19:41.20 | Rayan | Anyone got Python working on QtExtended 4.4.2 ? |
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| 19:45.04 | Dave | Joerg, would it actually be possible to purchase some gta0X cases? Either from you or OM? |
| 19:47.09 | slaxxin | is the 01 case the same except for color? |
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| 19:47.21 | Dave | Yes |
| 19:47.33 | slaxxin | great |
| 19:47.47 | slaxxin | lets build some hardware |
| 19:48.47 | slaxxin | could build an 03 before om hmmm |
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| 19:50.12 | slaxxin | would be unscroupolous |
| 19:51.01 | SpeedEvil | It's only an 03 if you have superspies that can find out the design first. |
| 19:51.18 | slaxxin | its open |
| 19:51.24 | SpeedEvil | 03 isn't open |
| 19:51.49 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - there have been no schematics or even confirmed feature lists published as far as I'm aware. |
| 19:52.13 | slaxxin | yea an they probly wouldnt be correct evenso |
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| 19:58.31 | Perfidian | Is your phone still horribly broken |
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| 20:05.54 | Dave | guru |
| 20:07.17 | slaxxin | kinda makes ya wonder about some things doesn't it |
| 20:07.31 | Dave | indeed :p |
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| 20:07.55 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.53 | SpeedEvil | What's the slug channel? |
| 20:09.00 | slaxxin | exactly who wants this project to float an who wants it to flounder |
| 20:09.28 | jhass840 | Is there java jre package available for the freerunner? |
| 20:10.07 | lindi- | jhass840: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre works on debian |
| 20:10.58 | jhass840 | yeah, I'm using SHR though. |
| 20:11.23 | lindi- | jhass840: just install debian to chroot |
| 20:11.45 | slaxxin | a short how to would be nice:) |
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| 20:14.00 | lindi- | slaxxin: http://iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt |
| 20:14.15 | lindi- | slaxxin: might apply |
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| 20:20.16 | almien | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.10 | SpeedEvil | You go to the building with a floppy disk, and ask at the desk. |
| 20:21.42 | SpeedEvil | That would be fun to try actually. |
| 20:21.47 | almien | good excuse for a holiday, but it's a bit far |
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| 20:21.59 | lindi- | slaxxin: paper print might be better :) |
| 20:22.32 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it somewhere in your firefox directories? if you have that |
| 20:23.07 | soul9 | is it possible to make opkg install a package no matter what it's take is on versions? |
| 20:23.23 | soul9 | -force_downgrade -forc_reinstall doesn't seem to do any good |
| 20:23.38 | Dave | :o |
| 20:23.43 | SpeedEvil | edit->preferences->advanced->veiw certs->cert-name->export |
| 20:23.47 | SpeedEvil | (FF3) |
| 20:23.49 | Dave | gah |
| 20:24.34 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: ever seen infinite cycles in menu entries? ;) |
| 20:24.42 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:25.43 | SpeedEvil | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. |
| 20:25.54 | SpeedEvil | Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. |
| 20:25.56 | SpeedEvil | (or not) |
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| 20:26.03 | soul9 | heh |
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| 20:27.05 | almien | SpeedEvil: but I don't know that firefox downloaded that cert from the right people |
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| 20:28.15 | SpeedEvil | Sure. And if you assume you're behind a capable man in the middle, I don't think you can find out. |
| 20:28.31 | SpeedEvil | I can send you a copy, but I may be a soulless minion of orthodoxy. |
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| 20:29.33 | almien | well exactly. I would be expecting too much for their "download root cert" SSL page to have someone else's signature on it... |
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| 20:32.35 | davi | When is expected the new OpenMoko phone model? |
| 20:32.47 | davi | the next one* |
| 20:33.11 | SpeedEvil | July 14th -2147483647 |
| 20:33.12 | Zorkman | nobody knows (those that do won't tell you) |
| 20:33.39 | davi | I see |
| 20:33.42 | davi | thanks |
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| 20:43.37 | slaxxin | thank youy lindi |
| 20:43.50 | lindi- | slaxxin: what did i fix? |
| 20:44.05 | lindi- | slaxxin: ah the chroot |
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| 20:54.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | Zorkman: half the length is double the truth of your statement ;-) |
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| 20:55.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | actually nobody must tell as nobody knows |
| 20:55.32 | Zorkman | nobody knows and those that can guess can't tell their guesses? |
| 20:55.33 | Dave | Does anyone here know what model Nokia(s) share the same battery as GTA0X? |
| 20:55.43 | lindi- | Dave: it's not same |
| 20:55.56 | Dave | I thought someone said they were compatible |
| 20:56.03 | lindi- | Dave: does not charge |
| 20:56.26 | Zorkman | you can only use it to jumstart the FR |
| 20:56.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | compatible, yeah. missing coulomb counter though |
| 20:56.35 | Zorkman | blc-5 battery i think |
| 20:56.41 | Dave | Hmm, okay |
| 20:57.48 | Dave | ROFL |
| 20:57.51 | Dave | that's terrible, Zorkman |
| 20:58.10 | Dave | if you search for BLC-5 battery on google, the first set of results are News: nokia battery explodes! and IS IT SAFE!?!?! |
| 20:58.14 | Dave | This doesn't bode well :) |
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| 21:01.55 | kirun | Isn't it bl-5c, not blc-5? |
| 21:02.18 | Dave | For now I'll just keep using my digital power supplies :P |
| 21:02.24 | Dave | even if it's ghetto |
| 21:02.57 | Dave | and kirun, yes |
| 21:03.02 | Dave | BL-5C |
| 21:03.08 | Dave | the N70 battery |
| 21:03.16 | Dave | I'm SOL, because I only have a bucket of N95's here |
| 21:03.24 | Dave | and it uses a different one |
| 21:03.50 | Zorkman | indeed BL-5C |
| 21:04.13 | Zorkman | DAve: send me one of your bucket N95s please |
| 21:04.19 | Zorkman | i'll mail you a bl-5c :p |
| 21:05.29 | kirun | My last phone was a 3310 ... too old to have a bl-5c |
| 21:05.33 | Dave | haha |
| 21:06.00 | kirun | It kind of went insane, and randomly declared it had no SIM |
| 21:06.39 | kirun | shame, I had a killer highscore in Snake |
| 21:07.06 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:07.14 | soul9 | how does the lifetime of the flash go? does it wear out pretty fast? |
| 21:07.27 | Zorkman | soul9: should suffice for you and your children |
| 21:07.32 | soul9 | :-D |
| 21:07.42 | soul9 | fine with me :-) |
| 21:07.47 | kirun | I kind of won at it ... a pretty high speed, and I actually filled up every single square of the board |
| 21:07.57 | soul9 | i bet my children could still use it.. |
| 21:08.08 | soul9 | as a remote control or somethign... ;-) |
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| 21:09.33 | Zorkman | soul9: depens on how fast you're going to make some babies :) |
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| 21:15.39 | Perfidian | Well ppl I've talked to who have used an openmoko phone say it's broken |
| 21:16.16 | Perfidian | freerunner |
| 21:16.57 | Tm_T | Perfidian: what is broken? |
| 21:17.42 | Perfidian | THe software I guess. Crashes |
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| 21:22.15 | sleipnir | can anybody tell me what i have to enable in the andy-tracking kernel config to switch on the backlight during boot? |
| 21:23.13 | Tm_T | Perfidian: I wonder what software they mean, because there's no one software set, but, well, 6 or more? |
| 21:23.46 | SpeedEvil | Tm_T: I could make the point that perhaps they all crash :) |
| 21:24.12 | Tm_T | SpeedEvil: perhaps, you can crash any software with proper penetration yes |
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| 21:24.51 | SpeedEvil | Tm_T: I was more meaning functional crashes. |
| 21:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Tm_T: where stuff stops working, and needs a reboot. |
| 21:25.08 | SpeedEvil | Or stops working over upgrade. |
| 21:25.09 | SpeedEvil | Or ... |
| 21:25.18 | Tm_T | SpeedEvil: weird, I don't do reboots |
| 21:26.00 | SpeedEvil | Or doesn't recieve and send SMS, and perform normal phone duties. |
| 21:27.10 | Tm_T | phone? weird, I never thought it as phone! |
| 21:27.12 | Tm_T | hides |
| 21:29.49 | root_at | is it anyhow possible to transfer files from my openmoko to my pc, and otherway round, just over ssh/usb? it sucks to reboot all the time, to be able to put out the sdcard |
| 21:30.33 | SpeedEvil | scp |
| 21:31.15 | root_at | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 21:31.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | sftp, even via konqueror ;-) |
| 21:31.24 | Zorkman | root_at: or through bluetooth |
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| 21:31.53 | root_at | my pc hasnt got bluetooth |
| 21:32.07 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth adaptors are $3 |
| 21:32.11 | Zorkman | just use the scp or sftp, it works perfect |
| 21:32.18 | SpeedEvil | or nfs |
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| 21:32.47 | vininim | heh, this might hurt GTA03 |
| 21:32.50 | vininim | http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR00414:@@@L&summ2=m& |
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| 21:34.16 | Dave | o.O |
| 21:37.31 | DieMumiee | wow.. |
| 21:38.25 | SpeedEvil | It's also poorly drawn. Play a mp3, and you're not going to tell the noise from the track |
| 21:40.14 | jOERG_rw | for china or japan it's been common already, at leaST HAT'S WHAT i'VE BEEN TOLD |
| 21:40.21 | jOERG_rw | OOPs |
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| 21:43.09 | jOERG_rw | well, as SpeedEvil mentioning MP3... it's quite the same situation. OM mustn't provide an image with a button to switch it off. No manufacturer can do more than this (I'm still able to destroy my Canon's speaker - or flash a new FW ;) |
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| 22:00.24 | jOERG_rw | root_at: in konqueror enter at URL-field: ''sftp://root@192.168.0.202/etc'' |
| 22:00.56 | root_at | jOERG_rw: i dont use konqueror |
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| 22:07.46 | Perfidian | Question: is there zfone for openmoko based phones? |
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| 22:19.51 | viq | Perfidian: for one, I didn't see too many efforts on VoIP software for OpenMoko yet |
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| 22:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | kirsch: you found out about ssh-password now? |
| 22:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | kirsch: I always use ''ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202"" to log in, as my private key on FR-IP changes quite frequently ;-) |
| 22:42.39 | kirsch | DocScrutinizer: i`ll try it right now |
| 22:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | kirsch: you have to comment out all lines starting with your FR's IP (...202), from .ssh/known-hosts |
| 22:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | the command above only stops ssh from adding these lines again |
| 22:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | nah, for ssh it's not correct, nevermind. But for sftp in konqueror you definitely have to delete the .202 lines if your FR key changed |
| 22:47.36 | kirsch | YES |
| 22:47.43 | kirsch | it working!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:47.48 | kirsch | *`s |
| 22:48.09 | kirsch | DocScrutinizer: big thx |
| 22:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | welcome |
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| 22:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | kirsch: also try konqueror - t's quite convenient ;-) |
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| 22:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | kirsch: I don't need to mention same parameters work for scp as well |
| 22:53.04 | kirsch | ok |
| 22:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | alas I found no way to make that work for konqueror |
| 22:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | so if konqui refuses to register with FR via SFTP, U know you need to edit known-hosts nce again :D |
| 22:54.16 | kirsch | yeah |
| 22:54.44 | kirsch | but my biggest problem right now, is that my math homework is still unfinisched (-; |
| 22:54.59 | kirsch | andits 23:54 in germany right now |
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| 23:08.29 | kirsch | ok, good night 2 all |
| 23:08.30 | kirsch | cu |
| 23:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | bye :) |
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| 23:14.24 | Perfidian | viq: Is there any way to get the same functionality over ptsn? |
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| 23:25.54 | anttna | hi i've just tried to help editing the wiki. I'm giving up for tonight as to me it seems like it is a real mess. Does anyone else here find it ok ot not ok? |
| 23:26.22 | lindi- | anttna: it's bit messy es |
| 23:26.47 | anttna | the categories and subcategories don't seem to follow very well, although I don't have much experience |
| 23:28.39 | anttna | I edited one page and tried to make a new sub category, but can't find this linked from the main category. i know I need to study it some more, but so far not so good. At least I can get my teeth into it :D |
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| 23:32.41 | anttna | ok fair enough I missed putting in a link, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Hardware_accessories_mod it works now |
| 23:33.30 | anttna | I purchaced some ARMR200 screen protector and fitted it to my freerunner I'm putting a howto on the wiki now |
| 23:33.43 | viq | Perfidian: you're getting into modem technology here.Sure, you can, but it gets more complicated. |
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| 23:36.43 | lindi- | Perfidian: there are some issues with the audio chip recording functionality |
| 23:37.09 | lindi- | Perfidian: if you know C and have the phone let me know if you have time to debug it |
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| 23:39.06 | Perfidian | viq: What *I* want is a cell phone that can encrpyt transparently peer2peer |
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| 23:39.54 | viq | wtf do you mean by peer2peer? |
| 23:40.24 | Perfidian | as opposed to having it decrypted by the provider |
| 23:41.15 | lindi- | Perfidian: end-to-end you mean |
| 23:41.38 | Perfidian | doesn't trust att |
| 23:41.39 | Perfidian | fine, end2end |
| 23:41.49 | lindi- | Perfidian: you'd need to use data call |
| 23:41.57 | lindi- | Perfidian: or wifi |
| 23:42.19 | lindi- | Perfidian: gprs latency is only good for push-to-talk |
| 23:42.27 | viq | Yeah. And obviously both ends would need to support it |
| 23:42.39 | lindi- | Perfidian: do you know C, do you have kernel hacking experience? |
| 23:42.54 | lindi- | viq: sure unless you redirect through some asterisk box or something |
| 23:43.09 | Perfidian | I know C. |
| 23:43.20 | Perfidian | Been awhile |
| 23:43.25 | lindi- | Perfidian: take a look at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2073 |
| 23:43.30 | viq | lindi-: yeah, but then it's not quite end-to-end |
| 23:43.51 | Perfidian | viq: I can do what I want with SIP |
| 23:44.03 | Perfidian | only no one but but is willing to use voip |
| 23:44.10 | Perfidian | but me |
| 23:45.07 | lindi- | Perfidian: if we can fix the recording issues i'm surely looking into making at least push-to-talk work easily |
| 23:45.21 | viq | Perfidian: with "voice" conversation you're facing the same issue - the other end has to have "something" (software?) that understands what you're sending to it. And with analog transmissions it's just that much harder than with digital one |
| 23:46.19 | Perfidian | viq: Yeah, i'm assuming stuff installed at both ends |
| 23:46.34 | lindi- | Perfidian: do you have freerunner already? |
| 23:46.43 | Perfidian | I'm assuming fing buying other's phones and configing them |
| 23:46.52 | Perfidian | no |
| 23:47.08 | lindi- | Perfidian: ok then you can't help with the kernel debugging issue right now :( |
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| 23:49.22 | viq | Perfidian: quick looking online pointed me for example at http://www.securevoicegsm.com/ |
| 23:49.40 | Arhuaco | Hello lindi- :-) I've been checking the issue. I still do not know how to fix it but at least your patch avoids the crash. I think we might use it as a workaround while we find out about the real thing. |
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| 23:50.24 | Arhuaco | lindi- : I reproduced the problem with SHR. |
| 23:55.04 | Perfidian | viq: Pretty good, but would prefer open source |
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| 23:55.46 | orzo | hi |
| 23:56.20 | lindi- | Arhuaco: i don't think the workaround is good idea, it just masks the bug |
| 23:56.28 | lindi- | Arhuaco: as you can see, i can still make it crash with the workaround |
| 23:56.32 | orzo | the gsm noise buzz issue is resolved right? joerg made a post in august saying so. Does that mean if i buy a new freerunner, it will not have the buzz? |
| 23:56.59 | lindi- | orzo: afaik yes |
| 23:57.12 | orzo | how far do you know? |
| 23:57.19 | orzo | heh |
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| 23:57.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: if you wait another w weeks, yes probably |
| 23:57.54 | orzo | oh |
| 23:57.57 | orzo | w ? |
| 23:58.01 | orzo | is that a typo or a variable? |
| 23:58.11 | Arhuaco | lindi-: Sure. The idea is to debug the issue... I just started working on it. But anyway I might send your workaround (included printks with FIXME) in a patch that is needed anyway... |
| 23:58.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | sorry 2 |
| 23:58.17 | orzo | oh thats great |
| 23:58.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | (nokia pad ;) |
| 23:58.39 | lindi- | Arhuaco: good to hear that somebody else is trying to debug it too :) |
| 23:58.40 | orzo | i no longer have the echo issue |
| 23:58.44 | orzo | i still have the buzz issue on my gta01 |
| 23:59.03 | orzo | both issues will be resolved for new phones in 2 weeks? |
| 23:59.09 | lindi- | Arhuaco: i just added to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2135 a patch that lets you retrieve panic message after reboot |
| 23:59.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, you have buzz on 1973? |
| 23:59.20 | orzo | i did |
| 23:59.22 | orzo | not anymore |
| 23:59.24 | orzo | i flashed gsm |
| 23:59.27 | orzo | er |
| 23:59.28 | orzo | um |
| 23:59.30 | orzo | sorry |
| 23:59.31 | lindi- | Arhuaco: this will make it possible for me to debug the sound issue properly without debug board |
| 23:59.33 | orzo | yes i have buzz on 1973 |
| 23:59.50 | orzo | i flashed gsm to make my sim work |
| 23:59.57 | orzo | i fixed echo with an AT command |
