| 00:00.24 | Kagee | why does my FR refuse to boot if the USB is connected to the computer? |
| 00:00.31 | bernt | this winter was very cold here ;-) |
| 00:00.54 | PaulFertser | I tried to cycle in -20 i think. Not too bad. Just had to go slowly to not breathe too fast. |
| 00:01.30 | PaulFertser | Kagee: no idea. More info needed. |
| 00:01.41 | VilleWitt | bernt: Where are you from? DE? (andere deutsch sprechende land?) |
| 00:02.13 | bernt | VilleWitt: yes DE (NRW) |
| 00:02.21 | Kagee | IF usb cable connected to computer THEN stop at openmoko-boot-screen ELSE IF usb cable not connected to anything THEN boot normally |
| 00:02.31 | Kagee | END IF |
| 00:03.11 | Kagee | PaulFertser, that's about it |
| 00:03.38 | VilleWitt | Kagee: My FR does not boot either with USB cable inserted... Have too boot without, and than insert it shortly after it has shown its "openmoko" bootloader screen |
| 00:03.51 | Kagee | yeah, that's it |
| 00:04.06 | bernt | Kagee: and openmoko-boot-scree = uboot menu -- or something later? |
| 00:04.07 | PaulFertser | Kagee: Sorry, i've no idea what openmoko-boot-screen is. My FR boots ok with USB connected. |
| 00:04.32 | Kagee | openmokko-boot-screen it the black screen with the orange bottom and the text openmoko |
| 00:04.44 | PaulFertser | Kagee: what's that exactly? Where it comes from? |
| 00:05.00 | PaulFertser | Is it u-boot? |
| 00:05.00 | Kagee | appears right after you press the power-button a couple of seconds? |
| 00:05.24 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: That mine u-boot as well... But it isn't maintained anymore, as far as what I have read in the wiki |
| 00:05.40 | PaulFertser | Ah, u-boot probably. Either a new version available or you have to tweak some parameter or that's an unsolvable problem ;) |
| 00:05.41 | Kagee | ehat's not maintained? |
| 00:05.45 | PaulFertser | I use Qi ;) |
| 00:06.09 | PaulFertser | Kagee: i believe u-boot for GTA02 is not really maintained anymore. |
| 00:06.39 | bernt | Kagee: do you updated to the last uboot? |
| 00:06.48 | PaulFertser | Some occasional bugfixes may come from some people, but don't count on it that much. It has a lot of known problems including desing issues. |
| 00:06.56 | VilleWitt | bernt: I did, I have same problem |
| 00:07.41 | Kagee | i've flashed my phone (kernel / rootfs) several (10-15?) times, but never u-boot |
| 00:07.43 | bernt | ok, then lets use only qi like PaulFertser and me |
| 00:07.47 | Kagee | should i use something else? |
| 00:07.53 | PaulFertser | Qi ;) |
| 00:08.17 | bernt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 00:08.36 | Kagee | can i update u-bot => Qi without messing with my current kernel / rootfs ? |
| 00:08.40 | VilleWitt | I was affraid of switching to Qi - it's without DFU-mode |
| 00:08.53 | Kagee | *i've just made python2.6 work* |
| 00:09.07 | Kagee | VilleWitt, so how do you flash? |
| 00:09.21 | VilleWitt | well, I still have uboot |
| 00:09.57 | bernt | VilleWitt: you have always the uboot in NOR |
| 00:10.18 | VilleWitt | bernt: So secondary uboot is no prob to wipe? |
| 00:11.06 | bernt | no problem with the nor you can always do this DFU-Mode |
| 00:11.34 | bernt | the nand is for playing :) |
| 00:11.55 | VilleWitt | is away - INSTALLING Qi!!! |
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| 00:12.54 | VilleWitt | ppp... you use modem? |
| 00:12.55 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: please read the wiki carefully! |
| 00:13.03 | mwester-laptop | Of course, qi is flawed as well... |
| 00:13.07 | Kagee | but will i loose my current kernel/rootfs if i change to Qi ? |
| 00:13.17 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: What's wrong with Qi? |
| 00:13.20 | VilleWitt | Kagee: nope |
| 00:13.29 | bernt | no you need two files in /boot |
| 00:14.29 | mwester-laptop | It started out as a "purer" bootloader, and has ended up as "son of u-boot" with drivers for too many filesystems, and a lot of "hackery" to support command lines, and suchlike. |
| 00:14.56 | mwester-laptop | So it now has all the same flaws as u-boot -- it just might be slightly better code, or easier to read at this point. |
| 00:15.38 | VilleWitt | mwester-laptop: awwww |
| 00:15.40 | bernt | perhaps we should try to use grub ;-) |
| 00:15.44 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: it only supports ext2/ext3 (like a one filesystem). And no real hackery to support command lines that i know of, what are you referring to? |
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| 00:15.59 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: you know what I refer to... |
| 00:16.13 | mwester-laptop | (and if not, then you have not really looked much at qi!) |
| 00:16.42 | bernt | you can do a lot of things in append-GTA02 |
| 00:16.56 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: append- files? Or PWR button debug mode? It doesn't look like a hackery to me. Simple enough imho. |
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| 00:17.26 | centaur5 | Digital_Pioneer: You still here? |
| 00:17.49 | mwester-laptop | The vision was excellent: "Thou shalt place thy kernel *here*, in this format, on this partion, on this device, and Qi shall boot it. That is the whole of it, there are no options." --- and then because of lack of a kexec solution, they went and added more drivers, more options, a search order, and all that stuff. So now it's just as confusing as u-boot to the end user, but without a menu. |
| 00:19.34 | mwester-laptop | JMO. Doesn't matter. Om is pushing qi, and the over-bloated kernel that Andy is pushing is helping push Qi, and I have no interest in hindering Qi at all. I just prefer that people understand the truth, and choose Qi for the **correct** reason, and not FUD> |
| 00:21.01 | VilleWitt | mwester: Well, I agree. That is also what the wiki states indirectly (started to be simple, but...) |
| 00:21.33 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: Yes, that's funny enough. But nobody wanted to add a support for bigger kernels to u-boot, there should be a reason probably. Qi is easily comprehensible. While u-boot is not. |
| 00:22.14 | mwester-laptop | Er -- u-boot will happily boot 4MB kernels. You change a *SINGLE* character in the u-boot boot env. |
| 00:22.21 | bernt | but the append file is not so difficult as the uboot config ... |
| 00:22.33 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: Have you actually read the source, understand the data structure? I haven't - but everything in FOSS tends to grow over time... |
| 00:22.58 | mwester-laptop | ;-) no need to replace the entire bootloader, and lose all the customizations that a user may have done -- when all you do is change a "2" to a "3" or "4". |
| 00:23.27 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: i've hacked on both Qi (on GTA02, you can even see several commits from me in the git repo) and u-boot (for LPC24xx). |
| 00:23.31 | VilleWitt | mwester-laptop... As a geek, I like the menu stuff... |
| 00:23.39 | VilleWitt | k |
| 00:24.16 | VilleWitt | But, atm Im not the lowlevel guy... Well, you probably noticed... |
| 00:24.22 | mwester-laptop | Personally, I prefer the kexec solution, with a menu front-ending kexec ;-) That eliminates the need for *any* special bootloader stuff. |
| 00:24.37 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: u-boot still has problems with bigger uSD cards. And nobody wants to fix that. Why? |
| 00:24.42 | mwester-laptop | Neither u-boot nor Qi make any difference once you have the kexec stuff working. |
| 00:24.48 | Wonka | i like to be able to choose whether to boot SHR (in flash) or debian (on microSD), and maybe even which kernel... does Qi support that? |
| 00:24.55 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: that's easy, and you know why that is. |
| 00:24.55 | PaulFertser | Wonka: yes |
| 00:25.20 | bernt | ... a little bit ... |
| 00:25.26 | Wonka | PaulFertser: i have had no problems booting debian from my 8GiB card with u-boot |
| 00:25.36 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: One word: The reason is (the answer starts with the letter "A" and ends with the letter "y") it's not a technical reason at all. |
| 00:25.46 | Wonka | PaulFertser: it's recognized as "3MB", but it boots without a problem |
| 00:26.08 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: if i was a u-boot lover, i'd hack on supporting the card i have. And i think if i had prepared a patch, it'll be added to the repo. You saw how Andy added fixed ext2 support backported from Qi. |
| 00:26.37 | mwester-laptop | Right. My point exactly. |
| 00:26.38 | PaulFertser | Wonka: only if the kernel is in the first 4Gb and some other limitations probably. |
| 00:26.48 | Wonka | a kernel to choose which kernel to kexec? wouldn't that one fit nicely into flash? |
| 00:27.30 | mwester-laptop | Wonka: Yes. |
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| 00:27.45 | Wonka | PaulFertser: ok, it's in the first some 10 MB even |
| 00:28.13 | Wonka | maybe i'll look at qi sometime soon |
| 00:28.18 | mwester-laptop | Wonka: The Zaurus folks have the kernel and the software to do the touchscreen menu all fitting in a very small kernel + initramfs that fits in the space reserved for the original kernel -- so no flash space is lost at all. |
| 00:28.19 | VilleWitt | kexec looks nice... Fast softboot... |
| 00:28.34 | Wonka | mwester-laptop: perfect |
| 00:28.48 | Wonka | mwester-laptop: and one wouldnt need FS support in qi at all :) |
| 00:28.55 | mwester-laptop | Recovery... |
| 00:29.06 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: I don't get you. I think that nobody really wants to support u-boot that's why it's abandoned on GTA02. If there was a man who wished, i don't think Andy would be against that much. |
| 00:29.28 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: That's my point. |
| 00:29.56 | PaulFertser | And my point is that Qi is more "hackable". Why not to switch then? |
| 00:30.03 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: It is *NOT* a technical issue -- it is the decision of one person to switch bootloaders -- it was a good vision, but it became |
| 00:30.12 | VilleWitt | well, as long as it is constructive... |
| 00:30.15 | mwester-laptop | "compromised" over time as more and more "hacks" were added. |
| 00:30.25 | mwester-laptop | (out of necessity -- but hacks non-the-less) |
| 00:30.44 | Wonka | anyway. bedtime. |
| 00:30.45 | mwester-laptop | So let users switch. |
| 00:30.56 | mwester-laptop | but I protest that users are *DRIVEN* to Qi by FUD |
| 00:31.09 | mwester-laptop | you DO NOT need to replace u-boot in order to boot large kernels. |
| 00:31.16 | mwester-laptop | That's all. |
| 00:31.20 | mwester-laptop | :-) |
| 00:31.22 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: I see now. You want a bootloader for GTA02 that will be able to load the kernel from NAND and that's all. No filesystems, no SD, no UI. |
| 00:31.51 | mwester-laptop | PaulFertser: Nope, I was happy with u-boot. That was what Qi was "sold" to everyone else as being. |
| 00:32.33 | mwester-laptop | Like so many Om things, one vision was sold to everyone, and something rather compromised was ultimately delivered. |
| 00:32.47 | PaulFertser | :))) |
| 00:32.48 | bernt | I like qi a little bit more than uboot, but the missing menu ... |
| 00:33.13 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: Then we may actually have a rock stable release... Really, we should get the framework up and running, all the drivers bug free... This bootloader war is waste of time... |
| 00:33.59 | VilleWitt | ...my 2 cents |
| 00:34.02 | mwester-laptop | If one assumes that Qi consumes 1 Q-unit of effort, then I submit that the effort required to fix u-boot was less than one Q-unit of effort. |
| 00:34.14 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: i'd very grateful if you review the Qi wiki page and remove/tell me to remove all the FUD you find. |
| 00:35.04 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: there's no war, just facts. Nobody from active developers want to continue to support u-boot. He's how i see that. |
| 00:35.40 | mwester-laptop | VilleWitt: Yep, it's a waste of time - technically. There may be other reasons to discuss the issues around it, as well as many of the other very questionable Openmoko activities and decisions. They do not always act in a very rational way, it seems. |
| 00:35.46 | VilleWitt | Well, its still waste of time to dublicate efforts... |
| 00:36.56 | mwester-laptop | Qi is the future; we need to go toward Qi. No doubt about it. It's just a shame IMO that users are going to migrate to an unstable kernel and a limited-functionality bootloader at the same time; it increases the potential pain unnecessarily. |
| 00:36.56 | brian__ | if qi breaks what do i use to fix it? |
| 00:37.17 | mwester-laptop | brian__: depends on what breaks -- you and always boot into NOR and reflash. |
| 00:37.42 | brian__ | reflash with dfu? |
| 00:37.45 | mwester-laptop | Yep. |
| 00:37.45 | VilleWitt | brian_: that is, if you have GTA02 - not GTA01 |
| 00:38.25 | mwester-laptop | er, that's a good point. Qi on the gta01 is risky unless you have a debug board, in which case you would have to use JTAG to recover from the worst. But it is still recoverable. |
| 00:39.08 | VilleWitt | mwester-laptop... How do you proceed to flash a new Qi on GTA02? AUX+Powerup is not the way I guess |
| 00:39.29 | PaulFertser | It is. |
| 00:39.35 | mwester-laptop | Yep |
| 00:39.35 | VilleWitt | oh |
| 00:39.37 | VilleWitt | bugger |
| 00:39.46 | mwester-laptop | why is that bad? |
| 00:39.54 | VilleWitt | ...my bad - it's nice |
| 00:39.58 | mwester-laptop | :) |
| 00:40.26 | VilleWitt | Anaway: Our real struggle is to free the phones... not the good damn SD cards... |
| 00:40.27 | PaulFertser | AUX works on hardware S3C level, remaps memory to NOR. |
| 00:40.34 | mwester-laptop | Having two bootloaders is rather neat, I think. Although it is the case that the u-boot version in NOR is rather old, and that can become a real problem in the future. |
| 00:41.10 | mwester-laptop | would like to be able to use cheap SD cards on the phone; I/O performance for mp3 playback is not a huge concern whereas capacity is (for example). |
| 00:41.51 | VilleWitt | but it is only a problem at boot time, afaik. |
| 00:42.17 | VilleWitt | ...or was |
| 00:42.25 | PaulFertser | mwester-laptop: i think i've read that GTA03 will boot directly from SD with the help of samsung ROM bootloader. So, we may be out of luck with cheap SDs here. |
| 00:43.03 | SpeedEvil | As long as it can push good cards along promptly. |
| 00:43.18 | SpeedEvil | got a cheap kingston one that does 12 megabutes/s |
| 00:44.42 | VilleWitt | Well 1 MegaButt/s is more than enougth! |
| 00:45.11 | SpeedEvil | not for a general filesystem card |
| 00:45.25 | SpeedEvil | at least not one your main OS is on |
| 00:45.41 | VilleWitt | agrees on a technical standpoint - but had to do something where something pronouches was "butt" |
| 00:45.56 | mwester-laptop | :P |
| 00:46.55 | VilleWitt | sry for the spelling... I should be sleeping now I guess |
| 00:47.25 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: unable to suspend problem? ;) |
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| 00:47.47 | VilleWitt | :p |
| 00:50.38 | VilleWitt | mwester-laptop: What distro do you play around with on your gta02? |
| 00:50.59 | mwester-laptop | all of them, except 2008.x |
| 00:51.32 | VilleWitt | even 2007.2? |
| 00:51.50 | mwester-laptop | :) I think I might still have that on one of the gta0x |
| 00:52.03 | VilleWitt | :) |
| 00:52.04 | mwester-laptop | (but I've not used it in many months) |
| 00:53.01 | VilleWitt | is annoyed of the GPS problem in SHR... |
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| 01:13.54 | VilleWitt | installs SHR-unstable as of 23 Jan |
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| 01:27.43 | brian__ | potter any words? |
| 01:28.25 | brian__ | is the kernel for qt extended the same as the kernel for android? |
| 01:28.53 | brian__ | i havr an android kernel an qt extended |
| 01:34.05 | max_posedon | kernel usually is something about hardware, so yes, it is ok have same kernel for different distibutions |
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| 01:48.05 | malane | anyone having a lot of enlightenment crashes over and over on 2008.12? |
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| 01:56.05 | tordo | malane: disable the dropshadow module |
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| 01:59.33 | Kagee | tordo, how ? |
| 02:06.51 | brian__ | in the illume menu under the wrench |
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| 03:11.59 | VilleWitt | ~/me now has 512 MB swap, 7.5GB data and a annoying, slow bootloader that first checks whether or not ext4 exists... |
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| 03:18.57 | mwester-laptop | you have a bootloader that knows ext4? |
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| 03:30.49 | VilleWitt | well, that is what it says... |
| 03:31.22 | VilleWitt | I guess it isn't rigth, since ext4 has just gotten stable... |
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| 05:06.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Linus Torvalds switching to GNOME?? Has hell frozen over? |
| 05:08.34 | Mononoke | lies |
| 05:12.04 | brian__ | thank god hell hasent frozen over yet |
| 05:12.18 | Digital_Pioneer | It's on Digg's Linux/Unix page. Linus Torvalds switches to GNOME, ditches KDE because of 4.0. How stupid is that? If you don't like KDE 4.0, don't use it! :P |
| 05:12.37 | Digital_Pioneer | watches swine dive-bombing outside |
| 05:12.46 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 05:12.52 | brian__ | yikes |
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| 05:13.54 | zash_ | bah, gnome |
| 05:13.55 | brian__ | when will shr ever release,,,from what it looks like it will never happen___ |
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| 05:14.54 | Digital_Pioneer | zash_: Indeed. |
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| 05:14.59 | Digital_Pioneer | can't stand GNOME. |
| 05:15.21 | zash_ | can stand GNOME |
| 05:15.45 | zash_ | but gnome-panel won't do what I want it to |
| 05:16.08 | Digital_Pioneer | People say KDE is too windowsey... I would say it improves immensely upon windows. In GNOME, I can't find any utilities to do what I want to do. |
| 05:16.30 | zash_ | gnome isn't minimalistic enough for me :( |
| 05:16.59 | zash_ | Digital_Pioneer: what utilities do you need? |
| 05:17.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Meh, IDK, but whenever I want to find something in GNOME, it's never there. :P |
| 05:17.23 | zash_ | there is always xterm+bash+base-system |
| 05:18.46 | brian__ | hes fanning the flames again dsont worry |
| 05:20.55 | brian__ | i tried to flash the beta 2 android directly to the freerunner an it wouldnt boot |
| 05:21.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Hehehe, never liked xterm much though. Konsole was always better. |
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| 05:21.27 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.45 | brian__ | it works |
| 05:22.01 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.21 | zash_ | brian__: why not? |
| 05:22.36 | brian__ | is it? |
| 05:23.16 | brian__ | any idea why the beta2 android didnt boot?/ |
| 05:23.23 | brian__ | ? |
| 05:23.48 | zash_ | define "didnt boot" |
| 05:24.33 | brian__ | had a lite screen but nothing came up |
| 05:24.49 | Digital_Pioneer | brian__: Probably because android is nowhere near production-ready on the FR. :\ |
| 05:25.04 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.12 | zash_ | guesses that the problem lies after the kernel |
| 05:25.47 | zash_ | like .. initrd or later |
| 05:25.49 | brian__ | well i have booted it 2 times before beta1 |
| 05:26.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Let's just make a Dream emulator for the FR, and then we can use Android happily. :) |
| 05:26.54 | zash_ | Digital_Pioneer: happily .. java .. how exactly? |
| 05:27.06 | brian__ | that os does work smoothly |
| 05:27.19 | brian__ | modify wine? |
| 05:27.36 | brian__ | my neighbor has 1 |
| 05:28.09 | zash_ | wine translates windows api to *nix api .. or something |
| 05:28.18 | zash_ | good luck doing that on arm |
| 05:28.51 | brian__ | but stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator |
| 05:29.06 | zash_ | yepp |
| 05:29.29 | brian__ | so takes no preformance hit |
| 05:29.49 | Digital_Pioneer | And therefore, Linux runs windoze-only apps better than windoze does. :) |
| 05:29.55 | Digital_Pioneer | (When they work in WINE0 |
| 05:29.56 | zash_ | win32-x86 -> *nix-x86 |
| 05:29.58 | Digital_Pioneer | ) |
| 05:29.58 | brian__ | it does to |
| 05:31.45 | zash_ | but, android, no standard base linux system with x11 and all the fun stuff |
| 05:31.52 | zash_ | and everything is done in java |
| 05:31.58 | Digital_Pioneer | So if Android is written in Java, how on earth does it even run on a phone? Java being so slow and all... |
| 05:32.11 | cjb | Digital_Pioneer: because Java isn't slow |
| 05:32.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Uh-huh. |
| 05:32.30 | zash_ | but it's easy to write crap in java |
| 05:33.00 | zash_ | so ppl write crap |
| 05:33.02 | Digital_Pioneer | does quick comparison of VM languages vs. machine code. |
| 05:33.36 | zash_ | Digital_Pioneer: also, why is a lot of projects for openmoko in python? |
| 05:33.38 | cjb | Digital_Pioneer: you're being a little annoying. the Java running on Android is precompiled to machine code, it doesn't use Sun's VM. |
| 05:33.50 | zash_ | dalvik! |
| 05:34.10 | Digital_Pioneer | cjb: Meh, I'm just saying what I've been told really. |
| 05:34.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't know. |
| 05:34.13 | cjb | the problem here is that "Java" is overloaded, as a term. The only thing Android's Java has in common with Sun's Java is the way that you write the source code. |
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| 05:34.37 | Digital_Pioneer | See, I didn't even know you could compile java to machine code. |
| 05:34.57 | cjb | Right. So, you might try asking more questions and making less "comparisons". |
| 05:35.05 | Digital_Pioneer | zash_: I figure because it's so hard to get the toolchain up and running. :P |
| 05:35.31 | Digital_Pioneer | cjb: Which is to say I should know more than I know before knowing that I don't know it. |
| 05:35.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Which is kinda tough, ya know? ;) |
| 05:35.48 | cjb | Sun's Java makes a big deal about being cross-platform, so it targets a VM and then does JIT down to machine code. Dalvik doesn't care about any of that, and just goes to ARM machine code. |
| 05:36.28 | zash_ | so, won't be as cross-platform? |
| 05:36.55 | cjb | isn't at all cross-platform. that doesn't mean Android won't run on x86, but it means that the Android code running on your phone won't run on x86. |
| 05:36.59 | zash_ | or can dalvik make x86 machine code? |
| 05:37.22 | cjb | the dalvik port to x86 is recent |
| 05:37.32 | cjb | but it exists. there are videos of Eee PC's booting android |
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| 05:46.52 | johnsu01 | I'm having some very strange wifi problems.. from both an fso image and from debian, I can get a lease, and dns works, but pings to any host including the gateway are only getting through very sporadically, usually not at all |
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| 05:47.40 | johnsu01 | I don't think it's the network or the router as my laptop is working fine with same |
| 05:48.19 | mwester-laptop | wifi is generally in pretty poor shape, but getting better. Make sure you are using the gushing-blood bleeding-edge kernel. |
| 05:48.20 | johnsu01 | the route table on the fr looks fine to me, and this has persisted across several reboots and 2 different kernels |
| 05:48.46 | mwester-laptop | i.e. wifi fixes are being committed every day or two ;-) |
| 05:48.48 | johnsu01 | mwester-laptop: hm, really? wifi was working pretty fine for me on Debian until very recently |
| 05:48.56 | johnsu01 | with 2.6.24 |
| 05:49.48 | mwester-laptop | shrugs; the concept of "stability" and Openmoko do not seem to co-exist in the same universe. |
| 05:49.53 | johnsu01 | and to the extent that there were problems it was problems getting a lease, and occasional lockups |
| 05:49.57 | johnsu01 | not this sort of thing |
| 05:54.22 | brian__ | try the .28 kernel |
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| 05:56.54 | johnsu01 | yeah, unfortunately the 2.6.28 kernel seems to mean no screen rotation, which I was just getting used to with 2.6.24.. :/ |
| 06:00.06 | johnsu01 | but 2.6.28 on this fso image is still showing the same behavior anyway |
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| 08:00.40 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: Have you tried to set maxperf with wmiconfig? (and yes, for better wifi you should use .28). |
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| 08:03.57 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: I haven't tried that, though I have tried setting the rate with iwconfig |
| 08:04.42 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: try that maxperf setting, Gnutoo reported that it imroved stability a lot for him. |
| 08:05.18 | johnsu01 | How does one handle spammers on the wiki (beyond just removing the content of the page)? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Jack1688 seems to be one. |
| 08:05.48 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: okay, I'll give it a shot |
| 08:06.16 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: please report you findings |
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| 09:39.02 | gfather | hello guys |
| 09:39.23 | gfather | how can i add a new page to the wiki , i already registered |
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| 09:52.08 | gfather | guys where can i edit the names of application and stuff |
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| 09:57.38 | root_at_ | gfather: shr, right? do you mean these applications on the home screen, like elementary tests, alarm, contacts etc? |
| 09:58.03 | gfather | <root_at_ no om 2008.x |
| 09:58.15 | gfather | but yes i want to edit these |
| 09:58.26 | gfather | and strange in om 2008.x i dont have wifi |
| 09:58.49 | gfather | shoul di execute a command to get full functions on om 2008.x ? |
| 09:58.52 | th0br0 | gfather, I think /usr/share/applications |
| 09:58.53 | root_at_ | could be similiar to shr... do you have a /usr/share/applications |
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| 09:59.05 | th0br0 | unless it is somewhere different. oh and you have to download mofi or sth similiar by hand on om 2008.x |
| 09:59.19 | th0br0 | for wifi |
| 09:59.27 | gfather | yes :) i have /usr/share/applications |
| 09:59.44 | root_at_ | gfather: are there *.desktop files in it? |
| 09:59.45 | gfather | i see , then i dont wifi |
| 10:00.01 | th0br0 | just connect it to your computer and then install the stuff byh and |
| 10:00.03 | gfather | yes i think so |
| 10:00.27 | root_at_ | gfather: you can edit there files, add new, delete them...they show up on your home |
| 10:00.39 | gfather | <th0br0> yes i did that , but i thought it was lie 2007 when u hade to give it a command to unlock the features |
| 10:00.52 | th0br0 | ah :) |
| 10:01.03 | gfather | <root_at_ well ill try to edit them now , |
| 10:01.21 | gfather | becouse i can get arabic messages now , i want to see how the menues gonna show up with arabic :) |
| 10:05.27 | gfather | <root_at_ <th0br0 i renamed messages , but nothing showed up , strange , |
| 10:05.37 | th0br0 | restart e / x |
| 10:05.56 | gfather | i have to do that every time ? |
| 10:06.03 | th0br0 | you shouldn't :)= |
| 10:06.44 | gfather | ? |
| 10:06.44 | th0br0 | but try |
| 10:06.49 | th0br0 | maybe it works then... |
| 10:06.57 | gfather | im trying |
| 10:07.01 | th0br0 | iirc changes to the files in /usr/share/applications are detected automatically... |
| 10:07.11 | th0br0 | so, the icons and stuff should change automatically, too... |
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| 10:08.21 | gfather | <th0br0> same , its not showing it |
| 10:08.29 | th0br0 | then I got no idea |
| 10:08.35 | th0br0 | maybe you changed the wrong line or sth like that |
| 10:08.44 | gfather | the wronge line ? |
| 10:08.51 | gfather | i just renamed messages |
| 10:08.56 | gfather | or thats wronge ? |
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| 10:09.04 | th0br0 | what? the file? |
| 10:09.16 | gfather | yes, i renamed messages :) |
| 10:09.19 | th0br0 | you have to edit the files by hand |
| 10:09.28 | th0br0 | and change what's written inside of them. |
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| 10:09.32 | gfather | yes i did that manually |
| 10:09.43 | th0br0 | and I guess that you changed the wrong thing or sth like that |
| 10:09.45 | th0br0 | don't know |
| 10:09.48 | gfather | i went to /usr/share/applications |
| 10:10.12 | gfather | found the messages , i renamed it to something arabic , it didnt show up |
| 10:10.16 | th0br0 | mmh... |
| 10:10.31 | th0br0 | then this might be caused by the part of e that is parsing those files |
| 10:10.37 | th0br0 | and that it can't read utf8 |
| 10:10.40 | th0br0 | but I got no idea... |
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| 10:11.00 | gfather | but pango is available , it should be able to render |
| 10:11.05 | gfather | or not |
| 10:11.19 | th0br0 | I got no idea |
| 10:11.28 | gfather | <th0br0 i want to show you a picture |
| 10:11.39 | th0br0 | go ahead |
| 10:11.51 | gfather | pleas accept |
| 10:12.10 | th0br0 | can't |
| 10:12.18 | gfather | why ? |
| 10:12.21 | th0br0 | my bnc got some problems with dcc |
| 10:13.12 | gfather | ok , ill try to post it to image hosting , im trying to do a wiki to pot image and explanations |
| 10:13.31 | th0br0 | k |
| 10:14.25 | gfather | http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1zi5.png |
| 10:14.32 | gfather | <th0br0 chek it out |
| 10:14.42 | th0br0 | wait |
| 10:14.56 | th0br0 | so ... ? |
| 10:14.57 | gfather | if e was controlling how did this rendered right |
| 10:15.09 | th0br0 | the message tool is not part of e |
| 10:15.50 | gfather | then why didint it render right on fso image ? |
| 10:15.55 | th0br0 | #rather ask in #enlightenment though or sth like that... |
| 10:15.56 | gfather | the same messages |
| 10:15.57 | th0br0 | what do you mean? |
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| 10:16.23 | gfather | <th0br0 i asked in enlightenment , non care to help |
| 10:16.25 | th0br0 | I guess that the fso image is using a different tool for messaging. |
| 10:16.26 | gfather | :( |
| 10:16.39 | gfather | thats could be |
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| 10:17.12 | gfather | <th0br0 lets try to edit something els , lets say edit the stuff inside the settings , where i can find that |
| 10:17.35 | th0br0 | what settings? |
| 10:17.52 | gfather | the stuff inside settings |
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| 10:18.05 | gfather | like the word system info |
| 10:18.13 | gfather | where i can edit that ? |
| 10:18.20 | th0br0 | I got no idea... either in the e theme or it is hardcoded |
| 10:18.39 | gfather | :( |
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| 10:18.47 | th0br0 | or you could change that via locales ... but no idea. |
| 10:19.24 | gfather | do u know anyone who could have an idea ? |
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| 10:19.32 | th0br0 | ask here or/and in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 10:19.37 | th0br0 | ^^' |
| 10:19.43 | th0br0 | rather the latter one though |
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| 10:21.32 | gfather | :( |
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| 10:50.49 | md2k7 | why doesn't shr-testing directory include a jffs file system? |
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| 10:51.20 | md2k7 | and the modules tgz doesn't seem like a complete fs to me |
| 10:52.23 | md2k7 | ah, it's in neo1973. my fault |
| 10:54.23 | bmm | The append-GTA02 of QI should contain a single line, right? Not loglevel=8\nrootdelay=5\n etc. right? |
| 10:54.30 | th0br0 | md2k7, use shr-unstable |
| 10:54.32 | bmm | (can't find that in the README or the wiki) |
| 10:54.35 | th0br0 | not shr-testing... |
| 10:54.37 | th0br0 | bmm, without the \n |
| 10:54.49 | th0br0 | and yes, one single line |
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| 10:54.58 | bmm | th0br0 k, thanks! |
| 10:55.02 | th0br0 | yw |
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| 11:08.01 | PaulFertser | th0br0: why are you so sure that \n in kernel command line should be avoided? |
| 11:08.44 | th0br0 | because some wiki entry or maybe some person here said that the different arguments should be separated by spaces. |
| 11:12.26 | dent | hi.I finally dared to go shr-unstable, but now GSM doesn't work for me :( |
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| 11:12.53 | dent | openmoko-messages says the resource GSM is not enabled |
| 11:13.38 | dent | is it a bug, or is gsm off for some reason n I could turn it on? |
| 11:14.05 | dent | don't see any gsm stuff in Settings app :( |
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| 11:26.49 | PaulFertser | th0br0: i think this should be clarified by someone more experienced. All params on one line is obviously safe but i'm not sure \n can't be used to separate parameters. I can't understand the kernel source fast enough to be able to tell you with confidence. |
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| 11:31.05 | bmm | What is the kernel parameter to reboot after a panic? |
| 11:31.18 | lindi- | PaulFertser: only ' ' will do |
| 11:31.44 | lindi- | PaulFertser: th0br0: if (args[i] == ' ' && !in_quote) break; |
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| 11:31.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i found a good description: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/10/92 |
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| 11:37.47 | badcloud | hi there piplez |
| 11:38.27 | badcloud | is there a chart displaying functionality with every possible kernel/rootfs pair? |
| 11:38.39 | badcloud | something like the distro chart in the om wiki |
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| 11:41.09 | henk | why should there be two not-uptodate charts? ;) |
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| 11:42.26 | badcloud | touche there |
| 11:42.40 | badcloud | who's moderating that thing anyway?? |
| 11:42.59 | henk | the community i guess... it is a wiki after all. |
| 11:43.15 | badcloud | right |
| 11:43.24 | badcloud | I have no experience with that stuff |
| 11:44.27 | henk | wikis? pretty simple: register, click on edit, make changes. special syntax is explained in a link at the bottom of the edit page or the wikis help pages. |
| 11:44.48 | badcloud | yeah |
| 11:45.15 | badcloud | the process of editing is always straightforward |
| 11:45.33 | badcloud | I just thought up to now that only select people moderate and edit wikis |
| 11:46.49 | henk | nope, everyone is free to register. |
| 11:46.58 | badcloud | wow, nice |
| 11:47.30 | henk | ack! :) |
| 11:47.39 | badcloud | ummmm, what? |
| 11:47.42 | leinir | That's the point of a wiki :) |
| 11:47.51 | badcloud | again, news to me |
| 11:47.53 | henk | badcloud: acknowledged |
| 11:48.01 | badcloud | gothca, henk |
| 11:48.08 | leinir | They're public-write until someone screws it up and ruins it for everybody else, requiring registration and later on locking of content ;) |
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| 11:48.48 | root_at | Gnutoo: your wifi didnt work out of the box with shr unstable, right? what did you do to get it work? |
| 11:49.32 | henk | leinir: registration is already required, isn't it? |
| 11:49.58 | leinir | henk: Yes, but wikis were originally supposed to just be public-write :) |
| 11:50.10 | leinir | A somewhat utopian world view, really ;) |
| 11:50.19 | badcloud_ | they really should have some screening process |
| 11:50.48 | badcloud_ | knowledge background check |
| 11:50.58 | badcloud_ | urine test, that sort of thing |
| 11:51.33 | henk | uhm, true 'g' |
| 11:51.45 | badcloud_ | g? |
| 11:52.37 | henk | uhm, like 'lol' |
| 11:52.43 | henk | g means giggle afair |
| 11:53.10 | root_at | or its german and it means grins, like smile |
| 11:53.25 | badcloud_ | ah |
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| 11:53.48 | badcloud_ | I'm getting old... |
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| 11:54.04 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 11:54.27 | henk | hoi |
| 11:54.52 | badcloud_ | ahoy, matey |
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| 12:08.04 | Gnutoo | root_at, i used wmiconfig in order to go in maxperf mode |
| 12:10.21 | kahmalo | I installed qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-10302135.jffs2, and after connecting to WLAN with WPA-PSK and disconnecting, further connection attempts fail. The problem seems to be that /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network does not kill the wpa_supplicant process because of an incorrect regexp. Is this bug already documented or tracked somewhere? |
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| 12:13.11 | kahmalo | Also, I wonder if the /var/lib/wpa_supplicant/eth0 socket could be moved to tmpfs so as not to needlessly wear down the flash. The wpa_supplicant program seems to be creating and deleting the whole /var/lib/wpa_supplicant directory. |
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| 12:14.11 | kahmalo | I guess I'll ask on #qtopia |
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| 12:42.37 | badcloud_ | qi 2442 + Image-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_f2d78193eae5dccd.bin + /shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 12:42.43 | badcloud_ | + a silent prayer |
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| 12:44.59 | Wonka | kahmalo: mh, i think, that would belong into /var/run, which is in a tmpfs already |
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| 12:48.15 | badcloud_ | andy doesn't have verbose boot? |
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| 12:50.07 | kahmalo | Wonka: Yes, well, /var/run is the default in wpa_cli too. However, the WLAN setup in Qtopia also modifies /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, and ~/Documents/eth0.txt; so keeping one directory out of flash wouldn't help much, I guess. |
| 12:50.51 | kahmalo | I mean it modifies those files every time it connects. |
| 12:51.04 | Wonka | resolv.conf should be managed by resolvconf anyway (which has the files actually being modified in tmpfs/ramfs) |
| 12:51.20 | badcloud_ | got stuck at the opening shr config screen... |
| 12:51.28 | badcloud_ | what is up...? |
| 12:51.40 | kahmalo | /etc/resolv.conf appears to be a link to /etc/resolvconf/eth0 but I don't see how tmpfs is involved. |
| 12:51.41 | badcloud_ | trying to reboot |
| 12:51.48 | Wonka | modifying /etc/wpa_supplicannt/wpa_supplicant.conf when changing something is ok, but not if nothing is actually changed... |
| 12:52.04 | kahmalo | Well it rewrites the whole file, discarding edits. |
| 12:52.54 | Wonka | mh, not nice. but i don't know sh*t about qtopia |
| 12:57.03 | gfather | guys im accessing the om from usb , and i want to mount the sd |
| 12:57.28 | gfather | but when i give it mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 i get error |
| 12:57.46 | badcloud_ | I got that too, gfahter |
| 12:57.50 | badcloud_ | *gfather |
| 12:57.56 | badcloud_ | have you tried to reboot? |
| 12:58.19 | gfather | no , but i did the sd like 2 days ago |
| 12:58.30 | gfather | so i dont think in needs reboot |
| 12:58.35 | badcloud_ | hmmm |
| 12:58.40 | badcloud_ | mine worked after one reboot |
| 13:01.05 | gfather | ill try to rebbot |
| 13:01.11 | gfather | maybe becousei installed qi |
| 13:03.35 | badcloud_ | gsm isn't picking up |
| 13:03.38 | badcloud_ | %^&*( |
| 13:03.56 | gfather | <badcloud_> android ? |
| 13:04.08 | badcloud_ | qi 2442 + Image-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_f2d78193eae5dccd.bin + /shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 13:04.21 | gfather | i see |
| 13:04.30 | badcloud_ | I loaded settings pre gsm |
| 13:04.44 | badcloud_ | but that usually worked out with the previous Dec. 14th kernel |
| 13:05.08 | badcloud_ | but then the touchscreen was all "I need to be punched by Bruce Lee" to work |
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| 13:08.40 | badcloud_ | sorry, *24th of Dec |
| 13:08.52 | badcloud_ | which I'm going to try again |
| 13:09.39 | badcloud_ | I have too much patience for this %^&* |
| 13:10.43 | badcloud_ | just for the record, I think the seg fault domino rally which led to the touchscreen problem is from installing pidgin via opkg |
| 13:10.53 | badcloud_ | that's exactly when it seg faulted |
| 13:10.56 | badcloud_ | mid installation |
| 13:11.03 | badcloud_ | but opkg reported no error |
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| 13:14.36 | gfather | guy im getting fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
| 13:15.05 | gfather | i get then when i use w with fdisk |
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| 13:15.22 | badcloud_ | you need to unmount first |
| 13:15.44 | gfather | yes |
| 13:15.46 | badcloud_ | then use fdisk if you want to make changes to the partition table |
| 13:15.50 | gfather | saw that now :) |
| 13:15.58 | badcloud_ | :) |
| 13:18.04 | badcloud_ | how do I upgrade one package via opkg? |
| 13:18.12 | badcloud_ | namely dropbear, locally |
| 13:18.29 | henk | badcloud_: opkg install package |
| 13:18.29 | badcloud_ | post 'update' of course |
| 13:18.32 | badcloud_ | thanks |
| 13:19.36 | gfather | umount: /media/card: device is busy i get this when i try to unmount |
| 13:20.06 | badcloud_ | are you 'cd'-ed in that dir? |
| 13:20.15 | gfather | or should i do unmount before w ? |
| 13:20.41 | badcloud_ | yes |
| 13:20.45 | badcloud_ | unmount first |
| 13:20.46 | gfather | damn |
| 13:21.13 | badcloud_ | what? |
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| 13:24.21 | gfather | <badcloud_> im getting the same message , i even tried to restart |
| 13:25.26 | badcloud_ | hmmmm |
| 13:25.33 | badcloud_ | which distro are you running |
| 13:25.55 | badcloud_ | on the phone I mean |
| 13:26.00 | gfather | yes |
| 13:26.23 | kahmalo | try fuser /media/card, to see which process is keeping it busy |
| 13:26.49 | gfather | didnt show any info |
| 13:27.09 | badcloud_ | shr mounts by default to /media/card |
| 13:27.09 | kahmalo | do you have anything mounted to subdirectories of that? |
| 13:27.17 | badcloud_ | ls /media |
| 13:28.40 | gfather | card hdd net realroot |
| 13:28.40 | gfather | cf mmc1 ram union |
| 13:29.17 | badcloud_ | umount /media/card |
| 13:29.54 | gfather | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 13:30.00 | gfather | :) |
| 13:30.11 | badcloud_ | nuts |
| 13:30.21 | badcloud_ | have you tried the 'force' switch? |
| 13:30.32 | badcloud_ | can't remember which it is, maybe -f |
| 13:30.44 | badcloud_ | but I'd read the man page first before trying anything |
| 13:30.48 | gfather | -f ? |
| 13:30.57 | badcloud_ | to force unmounting |
| 13:32.06 | gfather | -f umount /media/card ? |
| 13:32.18 | gfather | umount -f :) |
| 13:32.21 | badcloud_ | right |
| 13:32.46 | gfather | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 13:32.46 | gfather | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 13:32.49 | gfather | ahhhh |
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| 13:34.28 | badcloud_ | ... |
| 13:35.06 | gfather | ill restart fr agian and see what happens |
| 13:35.12 | badcloud_ | on my end the wifi fails after 10 minutes |
| 13:41.08 | th0br0 | umm with Qi I got mtd partitions labelled backupkernel and backuprootfs |
| 13:41.18 | th0br0 | are those the equivalents to the u-boot ones? |
| 13:41.51 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: approximately. |
| 13:41.59 | th0br0 | ok, thanks :) |
| 13:42.51 | gfather | guys whatever i do i cant umount the sd |
| 13:43.26 | gfather | <PaulFertser_ any help ? |
| 13:43.46 | th0br0 | mmh... damn Im getting a lot of badblocks when writing the new kernel using nandwrite ... |
| 13:43.54 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: u-boot has (or had) an ability to remap partitions, therefore the command dynparts was introduced. Probably it can be useful with non-conveniently place bad blocks on NAND. I don't know if anyone has actually used that possibility. Qi implements a fixed scheme instead. |
| 13:44.05 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what command are you using? |
| 13:44.15 | th0br0 | nandwrite / nandtest |
| 13:44.17 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: pastebin your "mount" output |
| 13:44.32 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: nandwrite -pm ? |
| 13:44.41 | th0br0 | YES |
| 13:44.46 | th0br0 | sorry for uppercase |
| 13:45.08 | th0br0 | nandtest gives me 62 bad blocks... |
| 13:45.10 | gfather | <PaulFertser_ where i can find that ? |
| 13:45.12 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i was not able to use nandwrite reliably as well. I tried to dive into the kernel sources but it looked ok and consistent with what Qi does. |
| 13:45.20 | th0br0 | k |
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| 13:45.33 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: just type "mount" or "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 13:45.50 | th0br0 | ok PaulFertser_ then I'll just do dfu util again |
| 13:46.09 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what are you trying to do? Write a new kernel? |
| 13:46.18 | th0br0 | nah, install qtextended |
| 13:46.43 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: try to nandwrite -pm it, and try to boot, if it doesn't work, well, NOR DFU is there for you. |
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| 13:46.51 | th0br0 | i'll just go for dfu directly |
| 13:46.58 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: it'd be cool if anyone figured what's the matter with nandwrite though. |
| 13:47.08 | th0br0 | yeah. |
| 13:47.14 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: and i wouldn't advice to try qtexended :p |
| 13:47.29 | gfather | <PaulFertser_ http://pastebin.com/m1efe631c |
| 13:47.39 | th0br0 | why not? |
| 13:48.11 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: do you have lsof utility? |
| 13:48.35 | gfather | lsof utility ? |
| 13:49.12 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: not unix-way, not really free software-way (qtextended is free software, but it's not developing in a free community), not hacker-friendly way. |
| 13:49.22 | th0br0 | yeah I know :) |
| 13:49.38 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: just type lsof |grep /media/card |
| 13:49.44 | th0br0 | i just want something that works fine for the moment. |
| 13:50.01 | th0br0 | but I'll still use shr for developing ... I want to help with the contacts stuff... |
| 13:50.03 | gfather | lsof: not found |
| 13:50.22 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: install it, it's a handy utility anyway |
| 13:50.36 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: what distribution are you using? |
| 13:50.53 | gfather | om 2008.12 |
| 13:51.11 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: kill "qpe" or how that qtopia thing is called. |
| 13:52.00 | gfather | i dont know whats its called either :) |
| 13:52.15 | PaulFertser_ | gfather "ps ax" and kill everything you don't need |
| 13:52.45 | th0br0 | oooh fuck... |
| 13:52.53 | th0br0 | my local flash seems to be terribly borked. |
| 13:53.04 | th0br0 | "End of write exceeds partition end" |
| 13:53.08 | th0br0 | how to solve this? :) |
| 13:53.44 | gfather | <PaulFertser_> thanks m8 :) |
| 13:54.32 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: I can't help you with detailed instructions, but this link may help: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks at least it'll give you more understanding of NAND. |
| 13:54.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r305f7d3c4009 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/powercontrol/powercontrol.vala: Add Power DBus signal to powercontrol |
| 13:56.50 | gfather | it seems i dont have mkfs.vfat too , whats the package mkvs ? |
| 13:56.56 | gfather | mkfs ? |
| 13:57.34 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: are you installing Debian? |
| 13:57.42 | gfather | no |
| 13:57.56 | gfather | i cant format the sd |
| 13:58.30 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: format? you have umounted it successfully, no what's your problem? |
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| 13:59.09 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: is that message is output by u-boot when you try DFU? |
| 13:59.16 | gfather | <PaulFertser_> mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 wont formate couse i dont have mkfs |
| 13:59.33 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: why do you want vfat at all? |
| 13:59.35 | kahmalo | Is the "S3C2410 Steppingstone" used in GTA02 too? I think not because GTA02 boots from NOR Flash instead? |
| 13:59.59 | gfather | <PaulFertser_> installing android on sd |
| 14:00.05 | th0br0 | th00ry shr-unstable # ../../bin/dfu-util -l |
| 14:00.06 | th0br0 | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 14:00.06 | th0br0 | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 14:00.06 | th0br0 | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=10, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 14:00.06 | PaulFertser_ | kahmalo: GTA02 boots from NOR only when you hold AUX during reset (including power on). |
| 14:00.07 | th0br0 | that is bad ... |
| 14:00.21 | th0br0 | what message, PaulFertser_ ? |
| 14:00.30 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: "End of write exceeds partition end" |
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| 14:00.52 | gfather | <PaulFertser_ ? |
| 14:00.55 | th0br0 | yes PaulFertser_ |
| 14:00.58 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: ah, i guess mkfs.vfat is in dosfs tools or smth like that. |
| 14:01.06 | gfather | yes |
| 14:01.08 | th0br0 | i guess that my whole flash there seems to be fucked up though |
| 14:01.20 | kahmalo | PaulFertser_: Thank you, I see. So if the NOR Flash is entirely corrupted, it's still possible to boot from NAND, which even happens by default. |
| 14:01.42 | PaulFertser_ | kahmalo: you can't corrupt NOR without debug board. |
| 14:02.11 | th0br0 | is there some way to reset the whole block table without the debug board? |
| 14:02.20 | kahmalo | PaulFertser_: Yes but I read some units didn't have NOR flashed and could still boot. |
| 14:02.22 | th0br0 | besides, the NAND flash is corrupted, kahmalo :/ |
| 14:02.38 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: NAND is tricky. Too many different schemes for bad blocks and ECC, OOB data etc... I don't understand it all in great detail myself :-/ |
| 14:02.45 | th0br0 | fuck. |
| 14:02.45 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:02.56 | PaulFertser_ | kahmalo: that's GTA01. They never had NOR flash. |
| 14:03.23 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: and the bootloader scheme should correspond to what kernel thinks about it, etc... |
| 14:03.45 | th0br0 | well... according to dfu-util -l; I only got 1 mtd partition. |
| 14:03.54 | th0br0 | *got only 1 mtd... |
| 14:05.50 | kahmalo | PaulFertser_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Empty_NOR_Flash |
| 14:06.03 | kahmalo | PaulFertser_: I don't have that problem but I was wondering how it worked. |
| 14:09.59 | th0br0 | so ... how can I reset the complete mtd parititons? |
| 14:10.14 | PaulFertser_ | kahmalo: what worked? NOR to the processor is equivalent to RAM, code from NOR can be executed in place (XIP). And S3C chip used can remap memory to be able to boot from NOR when the AUX button is pressed. NOR is wired in a manner that makes it hard to program it without a debug board. When NOR is not used, S3C loads some data from first NAND sectors and executes it. |
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| 14:11.32 | badcloud_ | I think om should have a contest |
| 14:11.37 | badcloud_ | winner gets a gta03 |
| 14:11.52 | badcloud_ | the participants need to use the gta02 as their primary |
| 14:11.58 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:12.03 | badcloud_ | last one to need to flash ANYTHING, wins |
| 14:12.10 | th0br0 | lol :P |
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| 14:13.05 | badcloud_ | or maybe the winner would need lifetime therapy |
| 14:13.15 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: no debug board around? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator |
| 14:13.20 | th0br0 | no, I'm afraid not |
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| 14:13.40 | th0br0 | 70⬠was just too expensive :) |
| 14:15.51 | kahmalo | PaulFertser_: how the boot sequence worked. I was originally assuming the device would first run u-boot from NOR and that would then load and run u-boot from NAND, kind of like a BIOS loads an MBR which loads GRUB. But you've explained to me it doesn't work that way. |
| 14:18.04 | th0br0 | so... any ideas? |
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| 14:18.13 | th0br0 | i got a working image on sd |
| 14:18.21 | th0br0 | now I only need to reset the whole nand flash ... |
| 14:18.21 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:18.26 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: same for me :) BUT GTA02 is really unbrickable because of NOR bootloader. You can connect to it and issue some right commands to reset the NAND. |
| 14:18.37 | th0br0 | how! |
| 14:18.39 | th0br0 | i need to know that. |
| 14:18.53 | th0br0 | because nand is f****cked up here -.- |
| 14:19.27 | th0br0 | i mean not flashing |
| 14:19.33 | th0br0 | but rather resetting the whole nand |
| 14:19.44 | PaulFertser_ | kahmalo: Normal boot sequence (both for GTA02 and GTA01) is like that: chip loads the initial part of the bootloader from NAND to RAM, executes it. Bootloader fetches other parts, then kernel, then boots. |
| 14:20.08 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i understand, but i don't know how exactly you should proceed. I'll try to find that. |
| 14:20.17 | th0br0 | tha~~~nks alot :) |
| 14:20.52 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: don't hold your breath though, NAND is tricky and i'm not a u-boot hacker. |
| 14:21.04 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:21.10 | th0br0 | yeah sure... I just want to reset this stuff :) |
| 14:21.16 | th0br0 | thanks for your help though |
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| 14:25.21 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: can you connect to the NOR u-boot via some terminal? |
| 14:25.29 | th0br0 | umm... |
| 14:25.38 | th0br0 | i only got usb connection |
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| 14:26.13 | th0br0 | but... |
| 14:26.31 | th0br0 | i guess so |
| 14:26.33 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: via ACM device, yes |
| 14:26.33 | th0br0 | give me some seconds. |
| 14:26.36 | th0br0 | yeah |
| 14:27.09 | th0br0 | what baudrate and stuff? |
| 14:27.19 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: any ;) |
| 14:27.22 | th0br0 | ok. |
| 14:28.27 | th0br0 | yeah it's working |
| 14:28.40 | th0br0 | ah cool |
| 14:28.47 | th0br0 | i think i know how now |
| 14:29.08 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what are you going to do? |
| 14:29.32 | th0br0 | use the dynpart stuff that was said somewhere |
| 14:30.32 | th0br0 | ok |
| 14:30.36 | th0br0 | appears to be finished |
| 14:31.40 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: "dynenv get" is also ok? |
| 14:31.57 | th0br0 | umm |
| 14:32.02 | th0br0 | damn |
| 14:32.10 | th0br0 | wait :) |
| 14:33.14 | th0br0 | 0x00040000 |
| 14:33.17 | th0br0 | that's what it returns |
| 14:33.51 | PaulFertser_ | Probably ok for GTA02. |
| 14:33.59 | th0br0 | mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f4c0000(rootfs) |
| 14:34.02 | th0br0 | that's what dynpart returns |
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| 14:35.10 | th0br0 | still... dfu-util continues to fail :/ |
| 14:35.56 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: in Qi 0x0f6a0000 is hardcoded for rootfs... |
| 14:36.15 | th0br0 | mmh... |
| 14:36.20 | th0br0 | I'm currently trying to do kernel anyway |
| 14:36.36 | th0br0 | but I guess this might cause the error |
| 14:36.49 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: do you see name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" ? |
| 14:36.52 | th0br0 | yes |
| 14:37.13 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: that means it's in u-boot Runtime Mode, not u-boot DFU Mode |
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| 14:37.20 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 14:37.24 | th0br0 | how to change that? |
| 14:38.02 | th0br0 | http://dpaste.com/112807/ |
| 14:38.04 | th0br0 | that looks fine though |
| 14:38.53 | PaulFertser_ | looks exactly like Qi hardcoded partitions |
| 14:39.08 | th0br0 | ok |
| 14:39.15 | th0br0 | good... |
| 14:39.19 | th0br0 | so how can I get it into DFU mode now? |
| 14:39.50 | th0br0 | oh probably because I did Set console to ... |
| 14:39.51 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:40.19 | th0br0 | mmh no |
| 14:40.56 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what does dfu-util say when you try to flash? It should try to switch to DFU mode automatically |
| 14:41.03 | th0br0 | it does |
| 14:41.04 | th0br0 | and that works fine |
| 14:41.07 | th0br0 | but then it fails. |
| 14:41.27 | th0br0 | stops after 3 # when uploading kernel |
| 14:41.33 | th0br0 | Starting download: [###dfu_download error -110 |
| 14:41.34 | th0br0 | Error during download |
| 14:41.40 | th0br0 | and the FR says |
| 14:41.44 | th0br0 | Sarting DFU DOWNLOAD to partitio 'kernel' |
| 14:41.48 | th0br0 | End of write exceeds partiton end |
| 14:42.22 | PaulFertser_ | Are you trying to flash the kernel? How large is it? |
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| 14:42.54 | th0br0 | 1757500 bytes |
| 14:43.08 | VilleWitt | DebianLovers: Is it possible, while installing debian, to set SD_PART1_FS to ext3 now? |
| 14:45.07 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: look into install.sh, you'll see everything. |
| 14:47.28 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what exact command line do you use to upload the kernel? |
| 14:47.42 | th0br0 | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D <kernel>.bin |
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| 14:50.10 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: probably you have somehow marked too many blocks as bad... I think you can connect to your NOR u-boot, issue nand erase, reboot, nand createbbt, dynpart, dynenv set 0x0x00040000 |
| 14:50.21 | th0br0 | ok thanks |
| 14:50.33 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: s/0x0x/0x/ |
| 14:50.40 | th0br0 | ok |
| 14:50.42 | th0br0 | wish me luck ;) |
| 14:51.16 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: luck :) |
| 14:51.20 | th0br0 | :D |
| 14:51.40 | th0br0 | how long does nand erase take? |
| 14:52.02 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: :( ext2 that is... |
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| 14:54.30 | th0br0 | gosh |
| 14:54.33 | th0br0 | I can't get it to erase |
| 14:54.37 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: you can make it ext3 if you like |
| 14:54.45 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: how long did you wait? |
| 14:54.49 | th0br0 | nah |
| 14:54.59 | th0br0 | i have to press a new button until the last one is displayed... |
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| 14:56.06 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: i use ext3 as my root partition. It's first primary partition, the only one. |
| 14:56.46 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: and you can upgrade ext2 to ext3 any time you like iirc. |
| 14:57.42 | th0br0 | so... is there any output for nand erase, PaulFertser_ ? |
| 14:57.50 | th0br0 | ah working |
| 14:58.08 | th0br0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.09 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 14:58.11 | th0br0 | looking bad, or not? |
| 14:58.37 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: let me find another cool command ;) |
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| 15:00.40 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i think you can use the command "nand createbbt", it should "erase NAND and create a new BBT" |
| 15:00.45 | th0br0 | yeah |
| 15:00.50 | th0br0 | that's giving me bad blocks too though |
| 15:01.02 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: several bad blocks is ok. |
| 15:01.05 | th0br0 | o |
| 15:01.35 | th0br0 | FUCK -.- |
| 15:02.20 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what happened? |
| 15:02.30 | th0br0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.37 | th0br0 | that's the dfu-util -l output in dfu mode |
| 15:02.40 | th0br0 | well... it's still failing |
| 15:02.43 | th0br0 | that's what happened. |
| 15:03.03 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what did you do after you did createbbt? |
| 15:03.13 | th0br0 | dynpart |
| 15:03.20 | th0br0 | then dynenv set 0x00040000 |
| 15:03.24 | th0br0 | but I guess I forgot saveenv? |
| 15:03.41 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i'm not sure how saveenv is supposed to work with NOR u-boot :-/ |
| 15:03.50 | th0br0 | oh. |
| 15:04.06 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: what does printenv output? |
| 15:04.22 | th0br0 | 1 sec |
| 15:05.01 | th0br0 | http://dpaste.com/112816/ |
| 15:05.41 | PaulFertser_ | dynenv get |
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| 15:06.22 | th0br0 | No dynamic environment marker in OOB block 0 |
| 15:06.26 | th0br0 | mind that I just erased nand again |
| 15:07.10 | PaulFertser_ | dynenv set should have written the environment marker in place, i guess. |
| 15:07.21 | th0br0 | k |
| 15:09.14 | th0br0 | ok |
| 15:09.20 | th0br0 | dynenv get returns 0x0004000 now |
| 15:09.32 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: does it persist over reboot? |
| 15:09.45 | th0br0 | just going to take a look |
| 15:09.53 | th0br0 | yep |
| 15:10.10 | th0br0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.12 | th0br0 | this is reset though ... |
| 15:10.28 | th0br0 | f4c should be correct |
| 15:11.30 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: 0x0f6a0000 is hardcoded in Qi, i think that's correct |
| 15:11.41 | th0br0 | but I formatted nand ... |
| 15:11.45 | th0br0 | so... how comes that Qi is still there? |
| 15:12.06 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: it's not. I use Qi source as a reference to default partition table. |
| 15:12.10 | th0br0 | sure |
| 15:12.25 | th0br0 | but why is f6a always put back |
| 15:12.42 | th0br0 | i mean... why is it reset after reset |
| 15:12.45 | th0br0 | eeh reboot |
| 15:13.12 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i think it can be somehow hardcoded in NOR u-boot. Why do you care? This size seem to be correct. |
| 15:13.18 | th0br0 | sure |
| 15:13.21 | th0br0 | but things are still failing -.- |
| 15:13.23 | th0br0 | still that |
| 15:13.27 | th0br0 | End of write exceeds partition end |
| 15:13.38 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: no matter what you're trying to flash? |
| 15:14.02 | th0br0 | whta do you mean by "no matter"? |
| 15:16.52 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: can you flash NAND u-boot or Qi successfully? |
| 15:16.57 | th0br0 | wait |
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| 15:18.20 | th0br0 | yeah that's working fine |
| 15:18.52 | th0br0 | but kernel is failing |
| 15:19.02 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: can you try with another kernel? |
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| 15:19.06 | th0br0 | just did |
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| 15:20.18 | th0br0 | let's see whether rootfs works |
| 15:20.41 | th0br0 | mmh rootfs appears to work just fine ... |
| 15:20.59 | th0br0 | i guess kernel doesn't work as that one is the prtition I tried to flash using nanwrite |
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| 15:24.22 | th0br0 | so... any idea on how I could fix this, PaulFertser_ ? |
| 15:24.49 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: with a version of u-boot i had on arm7-development board, i had to flash u-boot without bbt support, then i erased nand, then flash u-boot with bbt support and it created bbt automatically. I could find another way to reset bbt. But OM's u-boot should do the same with createbbt command..... |
| 15:25.14 | th0br0 | oh... |
| 15:25.38 | th0br0 | so... ... maybe I should install u-boot rather than Qi? |
| 15:26.19 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: probably yes. The latest NAND u-boot. And try nand createbbt command from there... |
| 15:26.26 | th0br0 | ok ... |
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| 15:26.35 | th0br0 | then I'll do that once rootfs is finished |
| 15:27.06 | PaulFertser_ | But i see no reason why NOR u-boot doesn't recreate BBT... |
| 15:29.00 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: have you seen "Creating BBT. Please wait " message? |
| 15:30.57 | th0br0 | yeah |
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| 15:31.13 | Mononoke | hmm shr realy looks cool |
| 15:31.37 | th0br0 | ok... |
| 15:32.14 | th0br0 | great... nand uboot only gt the boot option |
| 15:32.17 | th0br0 | but no set console stuff |
| 15:32.24 | th0br0 | ah |
| 15:32.25 | th0br0 | working now |
| 15:33.44 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: probably u-boot can't erase BBT anyway. createbbt command uses "nand_erase_opts(nand, &opts)" that will probably skip bad blocks anyway... |
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| 15:33.54 | th0br0 | damn |
| 15:34.06 | th0br0 | anyway, still unable to flash kernel. |
| 15:34.45 | bmm | Has anybody got a jffs2 image to mount on the desktop? I'm trying various script but I now have: block2mtd: mtd0: [/dev/loop1] erase_size = 1280KiB [1310720], jffs2: Too few erase blocks (0). Using mntjffs.sh from the wiki |
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| 15:35.52 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: it seems like bbt can't be erased with non-modified u-boot... |
| 15:36.01 | th0br0 | ok. where to get the modied u-boot? |
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| 15:40.18 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: can't you compile it yourself? |
| 15:40.24 | th0br0 | i guess i could :D |
| 15:41.02 | th0br0 | what patches do I have to apply though? |
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| 15:42.32 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: to disable BBT support (to be able to really nand erase) in include/configs/neo1973_gta02.h change CONFIG_S3C2410_NAND_BBT to 0. Then flash this modified u-boot, do nand erase. Then flash "normal u-boot", do nand createbbt. Then proceed as before. |
| 15:42.43 | th0br0 | ok, thanks. |
| 15:43.13 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: all i say to you about u-boot is an approximation, remember, i'm not a u-boot hacker. So at your own risk (i know, i should have said it one hour earlier ;) ) |
| 15:43.25 | th0br0 | do I need anything else than the u-boot git repository for compiling u-boot? |
| 15:43.36 | th0br0 | PaulFertser_, I won't be able to crash nor anyway, so ... |
| 15:43.40 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: i think no, toolchain is enough. |
| 15:43.44 | th0br0 | ok |
| 15:44.27 | th0br0 | still... I'm missing the toolchain -.- |
| 15:44.47 | th0br0 | ah it's precompiled |
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| 15:50.12 | th0br0 | now if I only knew what I have to set the CROS_COMPILE env var to... |
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| 15:51.16 | th0br0 | besides.. the gta02 stuff was removed from the u-boot makefile ... ?!? |
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| 15:52.02 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: switch to zecke branch |
| 15:52.06 | th0br0 | ah :) |
| 15:52.49 | th0br0 | still not present ... |
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| 15:54.07 | yabo | so i got the e-mail, "[openmoko-announce] Obama The Judas Goat" |
| 15:54.11 | yabo | What's up with that? oØ |
| 15:55.44 | th0br0 | PaulFertser_, the zecke branc hdoes not exist |
| 15:56.09 | th0br0 | there is only master |
| 15:56.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r4901 10/developers/werner/wlan/owrt/ (. NOTES genconf): Things for managing my OpenWRT APs. |
| 15:56.17 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: you should clone from http://git.openmoko.org/ somewhere |
| 15:56.21 | th0br0 | i did |
| 15:56.21 | th0br0 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Bootloader_source_code |
| 15:56.24 | th0br0 | like described there |
| 15:56.40 | th0br0 | oh my bad |
| 15:59.34 | th0br0 | working now |
| 15:59.36 | th0br0 | let's compile |
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| 16:04.58 | gfather | so im trying to copy the files from android to freerunner sd , |
| 16:05.14 | gfather | but i keep getting error when it reaches file dd |
| 16:06.11 | gfather | the android.jffs2 file is mounted , and i copied the files to another folder so i can copy them , but i get error @ the same file |
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| 16:06.41 | emacsen | WTF was that announce email? |
| 16:06.52 | aevin | did anyone else get that «Obama - Judas goat» email from the announce mailing-list around half an hour ago? seems a bit misfit .. |
| 16:06.55 | emacsen | yeah |
| 16:06.58 | gfather | can i mount the sd on my freerunner |
| 16:07.02 | emacsen | I just asked :) |
| 16:07.25 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: probably, whi not? |
| 16:07.37 | gfather | from my pc |
| 16:07.57 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: via sshfs FUSE module, i think |
| 16:08.23 | gfather | <PaulFertser_> becouse when ever i try to copy the file i get the same error , i want to mount the sd to , so i can copy it like betwen files |
| 16:08.34 | th0br0 | mmh... PaulFertser_, linking is failing -.- |
| 16:08.35 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: what error? |
| 16:08.42 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: how exactly? |
| 16:08.54 | gfather | when it reaches file dd in system i get error cant copy |
| 16:09.09 | PaulFertser_ | gfather: i can't understand you |
| 16:09.14 | aevin | emacsen: seems like some kind of spam, they should fix their list moderation/filters or something. |
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| 16:09.24 | gfather | <PaulFertser_ i know :) |
| 16:10.03 | emacsen | aevin, that or Sean hates Jews |
| 16:10.12 | th0br0 | PaulFertser_, pasting |
| 16:10.17 | th0br0 | http://dpaste.com/112826/ |
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| 16:11.06 | aevin | emacsen: hehehe :) and he has multiple personalities. |
| 16:12.57 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: try toremove the offending option from the Makefile |
| 16:13.02 | th0br0 | yeah |
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| 16:15.17 | th0br0 | it is not present though |
| 16:18.25 | PaulFertser_ | th0br0: try harder to debug this building problem, u-boot Makefile is not that complex. |
| 16:18.40 | th0br0 | yeah |
| 16:18.41 | th0br0 | :D |
| 16:18.45 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: While installing Debian "./install.sh debian" results in "tar: invalid option -- z"... |
| 16:19.19 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: install a real tar first, not the busybox version. |
| 16:19.47 | th0br0 | yeah.. PaulFertser_ ... |
| 16:19.52 | VilleWitt | yeah, guess that would be better - but why not let the install.sh do it... |
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| 16:20.02 | sandsmark | wtf is up with the latest mail to announce? |
| 16:20.09 | th0br0 | i can't find it anywhere, PaulFertser_ :/ |
| 16:20.22 | PaulFertser_ | VilleWitt: improvements are welcome. If you can do any, contact nomeata. |
| 16:20.36 | th0br0 | fgrep doesn'T help |
| 16:21.29 | th0br0 | ah found |
| 16:21.42 | mwester-laptop | thinks someone should go ahead and enable a lot more of the busybox features; the gta0x have sufficient flash and ram, and the current feature set is based on Angstrom's set (which was selected to suit very-small-memory handheld devices, and thus very limited). |
| 16:22.13 | mwester-laptop | tar xzf <filename> should just work, even with busybox! :) |
| 16:23.58 | th0br0 | gosh |
| 16:24.04 | th0br0 | file is not targeted for use by this device, PaulFertser_ |
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| 16:25.25 | PaulFertser_ | mwester-laptop: Can you make a suggestion what is the easiest way to reset NAND bbt on GTA02? I recommended to compile a BBTless u-boot version and do nand erase from there. You're much more experienced than me, can you suggest anything better? |
| 16:26.43 | mwester-laptop | I've studiously avoided the bad-block stuff. I suggest an email to the -devel or -kernel list, Werner did all that IIRC and usually gives a very good response. |
| 16:28.30 | PaulFertser_ | Werner has a debug board ;) |
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