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| 00:03.51 | Mononoke | I wonder what all packages I need to install to get testing fso to usable state |
| 00:09.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r98a0c4c761f2 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 00:09.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: do not attempt to close virtual channels during shutdown. First off, |
| 00:09.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: the mainloop is no longer running, second, we're about to tell the |
| 00:09.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: modem to completely turn off. |
| 00:09.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Ideally this would be fixed properly, such as -- first closing |
| 00:09.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: all the channels, _then_ flagging the mainloop to quit. After that, |
| 00:09.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: running some -- modem specific -- power off command. We can't use it |
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| 00:28.33 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * rabcbcd7cc532 10/ (README TODO configure.ac): bump version number, add some docs to README, and update TODO |
| 00:30.35 | johnsu01 | any suggestions for the best way to disable screen dimming when using a bt keyboard in fso/debian? |
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| 00:35.58 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdc7283d0e7f6 10/framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): rename checkedsignal to queuedsignal |
| 00:37.45 | mickeyl | johnsu01: disable the rule or request the Display resource |
| 00:41.48 | johnsu01 | mickeyl: by putting disable=1 under idlenotifier? |
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| 00:42.11 | mickeyl | that would be a bit over the top |
| 00:42.21 | mickeyl | disable the one rule that shuts down display |
| 00:42.23 | mickeyl | in rules.yaml |
| 00:42.25 | mickeyl | _or_ |
| 00:42.38 | mickeyl | use the resource interface |
| 00:42.43 | mickeyl | if you want to do that programmatically |
| 00:42.56 | johnsu01 | ah |
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| 01:24.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r11bf304b3f06 10/framework/resource.py: |
| 01:24.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: resource: add resource.checkedsignal decorator. In contrast to resource.queuedsignal, this |
| 01:24.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: will throw a signal away, if the corresponding resource is not enabled. Feel free to change |
| 01:24.36 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: signals with short validity periods from queuedsignal to checkedsignal. |
| 01:27.36 | angasule | is anyone in here familiar with GSM and MPTY (multiparty) in particular? |
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| 01:27.57 | malane | hey |
| 01:28.02 | malane | I can't find the jffs2 image for SHR |
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| 01:28.50 | jonsmith1982 | its in gta01 |
| 01:29.35 | malane | what do you mean it's in gta01? |
| 01:29.38 | jonsmith1982 | shr has its own domain, best to read from there. |
| 01:29.50 | malane | I'm there and can't find it |
| 01:29.52 | malane | on it's blog |
| 01:30.05 | malane | the shr-testing/images/gta02 doesn't have a jffs2 |
| 01:30.11 | malane | does the gta01 jffs2 work? |
| 01:31.25 | jonsmith1982 | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 01:31.25 | jonsmith1982 | i got the rootfs from there. |
| 01:31.36 | malane | and that works fine for gta02? |
| 01:31.51 | jonsmith1982 | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 01:32.00 | jonsmith1982 | it is for the gta02 |
| 01:32.05 | malane | oh ok |
| 01:32.07 | malane | thanks |
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| 01:56.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * raa5e6fbb2363 10/README: what's it about |
| 01:56.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rd40de007d75c 10/data/Makefile.am: fix init script executables |
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| 02:18.07 | badcloud | hey pips |
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| 02:28.55 | frankS2 | is there a dfu-util for freebsd? |
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| 02:35.01 | arg0 | is there a way to back up sms messages? i'm using shr |
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| 03:08.47 | brian__ | malane the unstable image may be what u want |
| 03:11.44 | brian__ | http://build.shr-project.org/ |
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| 04:53.25 | brian__ | could cloning a linux system for use in a vm have difficulties connecting to a wlan because of a different mac address in udev>? |
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| 04:58.05 | catsup | brian__: it will generate a different interface name for a different mac address |
| 04:58.29 | catsup | whether that will cause difficulties depends |
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| 06:37.48 | doc|home | is SHR really the only usable distro? |
| 06:37.59 | quatrox|neo | yrd |
| 06:38.04 | quatrox|neo | yes |
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| 06:38.17 | doc|home | and it's the one that has no real release :/ |
| 06:38.33 | quatrox|neo | :) |
| 06:38.41 | quatrox|neo | use unstable |
| 06:38.50 | doc|home | looks like I'll have to :) |
| 06:38.51 | quatrox|neo | it is actually very nice |
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| 06:41.21 | doc|home | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090123-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is what I should use for the jffs2 file, right? |
| 06:41.46 | doc|home | or the non-lite version? |
| 06:42.04 | quatrox|neo | the lite version is the complete distro |
| 06:42.13 | doc|home | ok, cool, thanks |
| 06:42.19 | quatrox|neo | without midori, pidgin, etc |
| 06:42.31 | doc|home | and the non-lite version has those? |
| 06:42.40 | quatrox|neo | yes |
| 06:42.51 | doc|home | ^c :) |
| 06:43.00 | quatrox|neo | but it is better to install what you want |
| 06:43.09 | quatrox|neo | opkg works |
| 06:43.17 | doc|home | hmm, ok, thanks |
| 06:43.57 | quatrox|neo | well, I know they did some modifications in the bb stage files |
| 06:44.25 | quatrox|neo | so maybe not everything will be included in the normal image |
| 06:44.58 | quatrox|neo | but I use lite now, and it works:) |
| 06:45.31 | quatrox|neo | (more or less) |
| 06:45.34 | doc|home | hehe, ok, will go with the full one and work from there. Not like I've got much else to do with the memory on it :) |
| 06:45.53 | quatrox|neo | ok |
| 06:46.10 | doc|home | thanks for the help, much appreciated |
| 06:46.19 | quatrox|neo | no problem |
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| 06:48.38 | quatrox|neo | don't understand bluetooth networking so using Y cable to his 3G phone |
| 06:50.10 | catsup | OK, I'VE REINSTALLED **SEVEN** TIMES NOW, AND IT **STILL** DOESN'T WORK. IF IT DOESN'T WORK THIS TIME I'M GIVING UP!! |
| 06:50.31 | doc|home | catsup: doing the same thing 8 times and expecting a different result any of the times seems a bit pointless :) |
| 06:50.47 | catsup | what? |
| 06:50.55 | catsup | don't patronize me |
| 06:51.07 | doc|home | ok then.... |
| 06:51.32 | quatrox|neo | catsup: what do you install? debian? |
| 06:51.52 | catsup | haha i'm just kidding |
| 06:52.23 | quatrox|neo | ok |
| 06:52.50 | catsup | i'm just searching this error message |
| 06:52.52 | mwester-laptop | Why would you install seven times? |
| 06:52.58 | catsup | and i see all these posters talking about the number of times they reinstall |
| 06:53.24 | catsup | and well none of them reinstalled that many times, so i figured i'd try it, just to be sure--maybe the others weren't reinstalling enough |
| 06:53.41 | mwester-laptop | I guess maybe one re-install, in case of a bad flash or something, but after that, the installer is broken, or the person installing is doing it wrong. |
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| 06:54.29 | catsup | what are you suggesting |
| 06:54.44 | mwester-laptop | nothing. I'm merely observing. |
| 06:54.50 | catsup | let me tell you something mwester, i don't do it wrong |
| 06:54.56 | mwester-laptop | Oh. ok. |
| 06:55.00 | mwester-laptop | enjoy. |
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| 06:57.40 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 07:00.02 | catsup | :D |
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| 07:02.45 | orzo | quatrox|neo: is this right? http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-diagram3.jpg |
| 07:08.12 | th0br0 | hey ... umm... how can I temporarily disable the suspend mode in shr-testing? |
| 07:08.16 | th0br0 | (just for the connection to my computer) |
| 07:11.34 | orzo | can anybody who understands this y cable thing verify that my plan as illustrated shoudl work? |
| 07:11.51 | quatrox|neo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.56 | th0br0 | thanks |
| 07:12.36 | AntonTakk1 | all my main app features and their menus are now working properly :) |
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| 07:13.31 | AntonTakk1 | just need to do 5 layouts, two more menus (maybe) and i can start thinking about tying in fso dbus calls :) |
| 07:14.53 | quatrox|neo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.11 | orzo | did you check it ? |
| 07:17.17 | quatrox|neo | orzo: you should also use common shielding |
| 07:17.21 | th0br0 | oh another reason: why are some dialogues so slow in shr-testing? (like the settings dialogue)... is the vga acceleration chip not used? or is that just due to the "slow" cpu? |
| 07:17.59 | quatrox|neo | the settings are buggy |
| 07:18.07 | quatrox|neo | ;) |
| 07:18.31 | orzo | quatrox|neo: I was going to house it in an altoids tin: http://urz.jerkface.net/usbkit.jpg |
| 07:19.49 | quatrox|neo | nice |
| 07:20.55 | quatrox|neo | i must reboot |
| 07:21.25 | quatrox|neo | bluetooth stopped working |
| 07:21.53 | quatrox|neo | so now i must use stylus... brb |
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| 07:23.48 | th0br0 | oh and another question :) phone calls are somewhat crap here... Although I recieve the audio fine, apparently there are lots of lags and some noise.... how could I solve this problem? |
| 07:25.28 | catsup | lol get a real phone |
| 07:26.11 | doc|home | what's the battery life on shr these days? |
| 07:27.59 | th0br0 | catsup, that'd kill all the fun. |
| 07:28.01 | doc|home | and do I want illume or illume shr? |
| 07:28.35 | doc|home | goes with illume shr |
| 07:28.37 | gurugentoo | doc|home: I'd say about 36 hours mostly suspend, use illume shr |
| 07:29.02 | doc|home | wow, this is shiny |
| 07:29.12 | doc|home | very very nice |
| 07:29.27 | doc|home | sms message app crashing |
| 07:29.35 | doc|home | may be lack of sim |
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| 07:36.35 | quatrox|neo | I didn't double check the polarity |
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| 07:40.33 | orzo | polarity? |
| 07:41.12 | orzo | if the + and ground is correct, then does that imply my data + and data - are correct? |
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| 07:42.20 | quatrox|neo | yes |
| 07:42.55 | quatrox|neo | but is red wire ground? |
| 07:43.46 | orzo | no |
| 07:43.50 | orzo | red line is + |
| 07:43.51 | th0br0 | yellow-green is |
| 07:43.58 | th0br0 | at least normally |
| 07:43.58 | orzo | purple is ground |
| 07:44.11 | th0br0 | oh :D |
| 07:44.18 | orzo | ground is normally a black wire in usb cables, right? |
| 07:44.38 | th0br0 | got no idea there... |
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| 07:45.17 | quatrox|neo | orzo: yes |
| 07:45.37 | quatrox|neo | orzo: http://om.quatrox.org/om/ |
| 07:45.38 | orzo | i tried to adhere to the usual color scheme |
| 07:46.03 | orzo | i've seen your diagram, quatrox|neo |
| 07:46.18 | orzo | that's why I asked you to verify mine, because i dont really know for sure |
| 07:46.29 | orzo | just from what i see on your page |
| 07:46.35 | lindi- | Just for reference, the USB wires from left to right are: *Black: Power - *Green: Data - *White: Data + *Red: Power + |
| 07:46.44 | lindi- | -- Specialized_USB_cables |
| 07:46.55 | quatrox|neo | define left |
| 07:47.10 | orzo | heh |
| 07:47.40 | orzo | lindi-: says green is data -, but quatrox's diagram has it labled data + |
| 07:48.01 | orzo | heh |
| 07:48.18 | quatrox|neo | ohh |
| 07:48.33 | quatrox|neo | thanks lindi-: |
| 07:48.45 | quatrox|neo | bad typo |
| 07:48.46 | lindi- | orzo: usb specs say that green is D+ |
| 07:48.57 | orzo | oh |
| 07:49.09 | orzo | well then my image has gren and white reversed too |
| 07:49.26 | orzo | or no |
| 07:49.28 | orzo | no i guess not |
| 07:49.37 | orzo | not if white is next to red in the spec |
| 07:49.39 | lindi- | http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/usb-pins1.png |
| 07:51.00 | quatrox|neo | lindi-: first you say white is D+ |
| 07:51.12 | quatrox|neo | now you say green is D+? |
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| 07:52.49 | orzo | lindi-: do i have red on the positive pin in my diagram? |
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| 07:52.57 | orzo | and green adn white on teh right pins? |
| 07:55.07 | quatrox|neo | http://pinouts.ru/connector/4_pin_USB_A__USB_B__mini-USB_jack_connector.shtml |
| 07:55.18 | lindi- | quatrox|neo: i quoted wiki |
| 07:55.43 | lindi- | quatrox|neo: then i quoted specs |
| 07:56.04 | lindi- | quatrox|neo: I did not do any original work ;) |
| 07:56.17 | quatrox|neo | ok |
| 07:56.31 | quatrox|neo | I only made mine after pinouts.ru |
| 07:57.52 | quatrox|neo | orzo: If you want, I can verify your cable when I get home |
| 07:58.36 | quatrox|neo | then I can verify the polarity |
| 07:58.50 | orzo | hm ya |
| 07:59.00 | lindi- | quatrox|neo: how do you verify it? |
| 07:59.00 | orzo | when do you get home? |
| 07:59.24 | quatrox|neo | lindi-: I have a cable at home |
| 07:59.36 | quatrox|neo | and it works |
| 07:59.45 | quatrox|neo | :) |
| 08:03.36 | doc|home | hmmm, are contacts not working under shr? |
| 08:03.49 | quatrox|neo | I think they work |
| 08:04.06 | doc|home | crashes for me |
| 08:04.20 | quatrox|neo | can you be more detailed? |
| 08:04.28 | doc|home | no :) |
| 08:04.42 | quatrox|neo | when does it crash? |
| 08:04.43 | doc|home | one sec, need to set up networking to be able to get at the log |
| 08:04.51 | doc|home | as soon as I click the contacts icon |
| 08:04.57 | quatrox|neo | ahh |
| 08:05.07 | quatrox|neo | then I will test here |
| 08:05.28 | quatrox|neo | yes |
| 08:05.33 | quatrox|neo | crashes here too |
| 08:05.38 | doc|home | ok |
| 08:05.49 | doc|home | that's good, at least it's reproducible |
| 08:06.12 | quatrox|neo | I just did opkg update and upgrade |
| 08:06.23 | quatrox|neo | so maybe it is a new bug |
| 08:06.26 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:06.30 | quatrox|neo | wait |
| 08:06.41 | quatrox|neo | I don't even have a sim card in my phone |
| 08:06.46 | doc|home | hehe, I did |
| 08:06.48 | quatrox|neo | not strange it crashes |
| 08:07.06 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:07.16 | quatrox|neo | and can you call? |
| 08:08.08 | quatrox|neo | it is so easy to think it is related to ophonekitd |
| 08:08.14 | quatrox|neo | or whatever it is named |
| 08:08.18 | doc|home | no idea, have no way to check unfortunately |
| 08:08.27 | doc|home | can't really call random people and don't have a second phone |
| 08:08.43 | quatrox|neo | ohh.. |
| 08:09.26 | quatrox|neo | ps aux|grep ophone |
| 08:10.11 | doc|home | one sec |
| 08:10.30 | doc|home | returned nothing relevant |
| 08:10.37 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:11.13 | quatrox|neo | you need to start ophonekitd |
| 08:11.16 | quatrox|neo | strange |
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| 08:11.32 | quatrox|neo | dbus is causing problems? |
| 08:12.15 | doc|home | weee,segfault |
| 08:12.28 | quatrox|neo | haha |
| 08:12.52 | th0br0 | did you just upgrade? |
| 08:12.53 | doc|home | hmmm, also, I set the data via the command line and it's not reflected in the interface |
| 08:12.56 | doc|home | nope |
| 08:13.01 | doc|home | it's a new flash though |
| 08:13.03 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 08:13.08 | th0br0 | try after rebooting |
| 08:13.27 | doc|home | will reboot again |
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| 08:13.38 | quatrox|neo | and remember to wait until the power led gets lit |
| 08:13.48 | quatrox|neo | takes forever |
| 08:13.56 | doc|home | yeah |
| 08:14.37 | doc|home | oh, wait, the address book (pretty much in its entirety) seems to be in the known issues section :) |
| 08:14.58 | doc|home | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 08:15.34 | th0br0 | it is working fine here |
| 08:15.42 | th0br0 | on shr-testing (yesterday's image) |
| 08:16.33 | doc|home | yep, same as I'm using |
| 08:16.35 | doc|home | reboots |
| 08:16.59 | doc|home | also, had numpty physics change orientation and then when I exited there's something at the bottom of the screen |
| 08:17.04 | th0br0 | heh... |
| 08:17.07 | th0br0 | I started it once |
| 08:17.14 | th0br0 | and then each time I started it, it crashed my freerunner |
| 08:17.17 | th0br0 | so ... I removed it. |
| 08:17.27 | doc|home | good plan |
| 08:17.40 | th0br0 | btw, have you tried calling someone so far? I'm currently having some nasty noises and stuff |
| 08:17.45 | doc|home | and I'm guessing it's normal that scan won't work, right? |
| 08:17.48 | doc|home | (for wifi) |
| 08:17.52 | th0br0 | it works fine here |
| 08:17.57 | doc|home | th0br0: nope, sorry, have no one to call |
| 08:17.57 | th0br0 | mind that you first got to enable it in settings -> internet |
| 08:18.08 | doc|home | yeah, tried that |
| 08:18.12 | th0br0 | too bad. |
| 08:18.18 | th0br0 | well, wifi with wpa works fine here |
| 08:18.29 | doc|home | when I do the slidey thing I get nothing |
| 08:18.35 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 08:18.47 | th0br0 | dunno... I activate it; start mofi, and it works. |
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| 08:18.48 | quatrox|neo | doc|home: scan? |
| 08:19.33 | quatrox|neo | doc|home: iwlist eth0 scan works great here |
| 08:20.39 | doc|home | I'll try it again after the reboot. I'm talking about the settings->internet->slide thing |
| 08:20.47 | doc|home | nothing changed when I did that |
| 08:21.03 | th0br0 | ah |
| 08:21.07 | th0br0 | well, it did here... |
| 08:21.10 | th0br0 | took some time though... |
| 08:21.19 | th0br0 | the settings stuff is so~ slow |
| 08:21.20 | doc|home | ok, will try it again |
| 08:21.22 | th0br0 | I'm wondering why |
| 08:21.22 | doc|home | yeah |
| 08:21.52 | th0br0 | (my guess is that we're not using the vga accelerator, but I'm new to this stuff :D) |
| 08:22.02 | th0br0 | or it might just be due to those images... |
| 08:22.13 | doc|home | man, registering takes a loooong time |
| 08:22.15 | quatrox|neo | when it comes to scan, it takes time |
| 08:22.24 | quatrox|neo | usually a few sec |
| 08:22.51 | quatrox|neo | and usually the results show up at once, so they can be from the last scan |
| 08:22.56 | doc|home | ok, I have contacts! |
| 08:23.06 | quatrox|neo | great:) |
| 08:23.19 | doc|home | seems like it really screws things up if you try to open it before then |
| 08:23.26 | doc|home | (before registering with the sim) |
| 08:23.38 | quatrox|neo | yeah |
| 08:23.53 | quatrox|neo | poor coding practice |
| 08:24.27 | quatrox|neo | but, I should not complain since I didn't contribute yet |
| 08:24.32 | doc|home | ok, so, when I go into settings for wifi it says WiFi radio: [slider] and then underneath it 'unable to scan' |
| 08:24.53 | quatrox|neo | turn on wifi? |
| 08:24.56 | th0br0 | just ignore it |
| 08:24.57 | doc|home | and the gprs settings under that are 'unknown' all the way down |
| 08:24.59 | doc|home | I did |
| 08:25.05 | th0br0 | it's not working all the time... then open mofi |
| 08:25.14 | doc|home | ok |
| 08:25.20 | quatrox|neo | I never tried all the graphical stuff |
| 08:25.26 | quatrox|neo | well |
| 08:25.27 | doc|home | grrrr, stupid time settings didn't stick |
| 08:25.52 | quatrox|neo | except for the terminal and pidgin, the graphical stuff is just slow |
| 08:25.57 | quatrox|neo | and buggy |
| 08:26.09 | quatrox|neo | but will get better soon |
| 08:26.19 | th0br0 | ok. what's causing this slowness ? |
| 08:26.29 | quatrox|neo | dbus |
| 08:26.35 | th0br0 | ah ok |
| 08:26.40 | doc|home | ok, mofi is seeing wireless |
| 08:26.49 | th0br0 | :) |
| 08:26.50 | quatrox|neo | yay |
| 08:26.58 | doc|home | but |
| 08:27.00 | th0br0 | mind that you shouldn't start mofi before activating wifi... it crashes then. |
| 08:27.14 | doc|home | ah, that explains earlier crashes with it |
| 08:27.23 | th0br0 | yeah :D |
| 08:27.25 | doc|home | when I try to enter in my password by putting the cursor into the box, I get nada |
| 08:27.29 | doc|home | no keyboard :D |
| 08:27.31 | th0br0 | umm |
| 08:27.36 | th0br0 | click on the top bar |
| 08:27.39 | quatrox|neo | hahaha |
| 08:27.39 | th0br0 | then on qwerty |
| 08:27.41 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:27.46 | quatrox|neo | how is mofi? |
| 08:27.50 | doc|home | ah ha! |
| 08:27.52 | quatrox|neo | I never tried it |
| 08:27.52 | th0br0 | it's great :) |
| 08:27.55 | doc|home | that's not complicated at all! |
| 08:27.56 | quatrox|neo | good |
| 08:28.07 | quatrox|neo | what about lint-wifi? |
| 08:28.15 | quatrox|neo | or what it is named |
| 08:28.22 | th0br0 | never used it |
| 08:28.23 | doc|home | and the default keyboard is far from intuitive |
| 08:28.32 | th0br0 | yeah doc|home ... switch to terminal |
| 08:28.42 | quatrox|neo | switch to terminal keyboard |
| 08:28.44 | doc|home | yeah, I did |
| 08:28.50 | quatrox|neo | the default is useless |
| 08:28.55 | doc|home | and mofi seems to have gotten its panties in a twist |
| 08:29.07 | quatrox|neo | hahahaha |
| 08:29.18 | th0br0 | heh... it crashed here, too when saving the password for the first time... but it saved it actually... and I could connect fine. |
| 08:29.34 | quatrox|neo | hahaha |
| 08:30.09 | quatrox|neo | why not just write a little python script |
| 08:30.09 | quatrox|neo | and add an icon |
| 08:30.09 | quatrox|neo | and don't use dbus |
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| 08:30.12 | doc|home | yeah, it crashed on clicking save |
| 08:30.18 | th0br0 | how to disable dbus / or rather speed everything up in general? |
| 08:30.19 | doc|home | ok, lets kill that and go again |
| 08:30.27 | doc|home | did it connect on the crash? |
| 08:30.43 | th0br0 | no |
| 08:30.51 | doc|home | ok, back into mofi it is! |
| 08:30.58 | quatrox|neo | haha |
| 08:31.01 | doc|home | I have to say, despite all the bugs, this is a vast improvement |
| 08:31.29 | quatrox|neo | ohh |
| 08:31.39 | quatrox|neo | lint-wifi looks good |
| 08:31.51 | quatrox|neo | I must install it |
| 08:31.58 | doc|home | and now lets see what's screwy with midori |
| 08:32.22 | doc|home | and... a crash! :D |
| 08:32.22 | quatrox|neo | midori crashes all the time |
| 08:32.29 | quatrox|neo | dillo is much better |
| 08:32.30 | doc|home | oh, wait, no, this is a result of the last crash |
| 08:33.03 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 08:33.07 | th0br0 | midori hasn't crashed for me yet |
| 08:33.30 | th0br0 | but it is slo~~ |
| 08:33.31 | th0br0 | w |
| 08:33.44 | doc|home | how the hell do I type in a url |
| 08:33.46 | doc|home | ? |
| 08:34.00 | th0br0 | that's what I haven't found out so far yet either :D |
| 08:34.04 | th0br0 | usually go -> location |
| 08:34.05 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 08:34.08 | th0br0 | but that doesn't open a window |
| 08:34.09 | doc|home | yeah, that's not working |
| 08:34.10 | th0br0 | so just use google |
| 08:34.11 | doc|home | aye |
| 08:34.12 | th0br0 | ^^ |
| 08:34.14 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 08:34.27 | quatrox|neo | th0br0: that is because you didn't open any web pages that uses anything but plain text or html |
| 08:34.35 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo, true. |
| 08:35.28 | quatrox|neo | anyway, in order to use midori, you must start it from a terminal, I guess |
| 08:35.35 | th0br0 | mmh... no. |
| 08:35.38 | th0br0 | not here that is |
| 08:35.39 | quatrox|neo | midori http://somesite.com |
| 08:35.54 | doc|home | there's an icon |
| 08:36.10 | quatrox|neo | for entering urls? |
| 08:36.10 | th0br0 | or write a neat python script ;) |
| 08:36.15 | th0br0 | nah not for entering urls |
| 08:36.29 | quatrox|neo | ;) |
| 08:36.43 | quatrox|neo | so you better user the the terminal |
| 08:36.45 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:36.58 | th0br0 | indeed |
| 08:36.59 | doc|home | hehe, someone's going to be looking at slashdot logs and seeing 'Openmoko - midori' and thinking 'wtf?' |
| 08:37.09 | th0br0 | ? |
| 08:37.10 | quatrox|neo | PaulFertser told me that emacs-w3m is extremely fast |
| 08:37.16 | quatrox|neo | and can do graphics |
| 08:37.22 | th0br0 | ok |
| 08:37.33 | th0br0 | then I'll take a look :) |
| 08:37.36 | th0br0 | is it in opkg? |
| 08:37.38 | th0br0 | no ... |
| 08:37.51 | th0br0 | too lazy to setup a build env here |
| 08:38.02 | quatrox|neo | get it from oe? |
| 08:38.14 | quatrox|neo | or somewhere |
| 08:38.14 | th0br0 | true |
| 08:38.29 | doc|home | ok then, slashdot does not want to render |
| 08:38.48 | doc|home | right, midori gets closed |
| 08:38.51 | quatrox|neo | it renders perfect in emacs-w3m |
| 08:38.58 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo: not extremely fast :( |
| 08:39.07 | quatrox|neo | no? |
| 08:39.14 | quatrox|neo | not like dillo? |
| 08:39.23 | PaulFertser | I didn't try dillo. |
| 08:39.58 | quatrox|neo | dillo does not let me check my mail, because google uses url forwarding |
| 08:40.01 | quatrox|neo | grrrrrrr |
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| 08:40.32 | quatrox|neo | dillo just tells me: hey you, this site uses url forwaarding and that is not in the spec |
| 08:41.01 | doc|home | hehehe, sweet, jabber on freerunner! |
| 08:41.10 | quatrox|neo | hehe |
| 08:41.25 | quatrox|neo | I use my freerunner now |
| 08:41.29 | quatrox|neo | with pidgin |
| 08:41.37 | doc|home | er, can't double tap user to message |
| 08:41.41 | doc|home | seen as a drag |
| 08:41.52 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo, have you got any problems with calls? |
| 08:41.52 | quatrox|neo | hit CR |
| 08:42.00 | quatrox|neo | no |
| 08:42.02 | quatrox|neo | never |
| 08:42.05 | th0br0 | mmh weird. |
| 08:42.08 | doc|home | cr? |
| 08:42.26 | quatrox|neo | th0br0: nobody bothers me |
| 08:42.34 | th0br0 | :D |
| 08:42.35 | th0br0 | ok. |
| 08:42.38 | quatrox|neo | doc|home: enter |
| 08:42.53 | quatrox|neo | single tap |
| 08:43.00 | quatrox|neo | use the kbd |
| 08:43.07 | quatrox|neo | and hit the enter key |
| 08:43.19 | doc|home | hmmm enter on the keyboard worked, tap didn't |
| 08:43.27 | doc|home | just gave me the title/info |
| 08:43.29 | quatrox|neo | :) |
| 08:43.52 | quatrox|neo | lots of hidden functionality |
| 08:43.54 | quatrox|neo | haha |
| 08:44.01 | doc|home | it's a .... feature? :) |
| 08:44.23 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 08:44.41 | quatrox|neo | not sure where they draw the line between features and bugs |
| 08:44.52 | doc|home | hehehe |
| 08:44.55 | doc|home | still, good progress |
| 08:45.05 | quatrox|neo | PaulFertser: I solved my GPRS problem |
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| 08:45.55 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo: How? |
| 08:46.00 | quatrox|neo | PaulFertser: I now use UMTS instead (Y-cable) ;) |
| 08:46.05 | PaulFertser | :)))) |
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| 08:46.25 | quatrox|neo | but |
| 08:46.28 | quatrox|neo | well |
| 08:46.53 | quatrox|neo | my 3G phone is supposed to support BT networking |
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| 08:47.07 | quatrox|neo | but that stuff never works |
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| 08:50.43 | quatrox|neo | PaulFertser: I will do more tests as soon as I can get gprs working at all |
| 08:51.14 | quatrox|neo | and have some spare time |
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| 08:52.38 | quatrox|neo | maybe it is a timing issue |
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| 08:54.45 | quatrox|neo | just opened another ice cold bottle of coca cola |
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| 08:58.39 | gfather | hello guys |
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| 08:58.50 | gfather | anyone knows how to change the system font ? |
| 09:00.10 | doc|home | is there any synaptic style package manager for opkg? |
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| 09:13.11 | th0br0 | umm... where can If ind the contact list stored on the freerunner? |
| 09:13.34 | th0br0 | i want to sync it, as typing in every user by hand is ... nasty. |
| 09:13.59 | th0br0 | or does openmoko-contacts3 not yet support this? |
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| 09:17.03 | Wonka | http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/ |
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| 09:25.30 | quatrox|neo | orzo: |
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| 09:37.32 | orzo | yes? |
| 09:38.01 | quatrox|neo | I double checked |
| 09:38.11 | quatrox|neo | and yes, your red wire is ground |
| 09:38.43 | orzo | so its reversed |
| 09:38.48 | quatrox|neo | yes |
| 09:39.04 | orzo | ok |
| 09:39.29 | quatrox|neo | it is not easy to guess |
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| 09:42.04 | th0br0 | Wonka,? |
| 09:42.23 | th0br0 | or was that no reply to what I said before? |
| 09:42.36 | doc|home | what units are the timeout values in power management? Mine doesn't seem to be going into suspend |
| 09:43.18 | root_at | doc|home: os? |
| 09:43.26 | quatrox|neo | check the files |
| 09:43.28 | doc|home | shr |
| 09:43.39 | doc|home | files? |
| 09:43.40 | quatrox|neo | frameworkd.conf |
| 09:43.43 | quatrox|neo | and... |
| 09:43.45 | quatrox|neo | hmm |
| 09:43.47 | root_at | doc|home: does your enlightenment segfault sometimes? |
| 09:44.03 | doc|home | root_at: not the entire thing, no |
| 09:44.27 | root_at | doc|home: hmm...but anyway. do you have made any shelf gadgets? |
| 09:44.40 | quatrox|neo | doc|home: you find information at http://shr-project.org |
| 09:44.46 | doc|home | I've had certain parts do so, there are some gotchas. Like wait until the phone is registered and if you want to do anything wifi related make sure to switch on wifi in the settings->internet before you try |
| 09:44.52 | doc|home | quatrox|neo: cool, thanks |
| 09:44.58 | quatrox|neo | it is 2 files in total |
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| 09:45.31 | doc|home | right, will look at that tomorrow. sleep time for now. night all |
| 09:45.48 | root_at | good night doc|home |
| 09:46.03 | doc|home | root_at: sorry, to answer your question, no, I haven't. sorry. |
| 09:46.15 | root_at | doc|home: np |
| 09:49.20 | th0br0 | mmh... why was openmoko-contacts2 dumped? |
| 09:49.31 | th0br0 | i mean, it was so wa~~y better compared to openmoko-contacts3... |
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| 09:54.29 | th0br0 | and where to find the sources for opimd? |
| 09:55.30 | quatrox|neo | I think #2 was dumped because we need something that can talk with the framework |
| 09:56.05 | root_at | can anyone tell me the name of the mail client of the om image? i want one for my shr, but dont know which one to request |
| 09:57.03 | th0br0 | ah ok quatrox|neo :) I geussed so already... right... let's take a look at opimd... any ideas where I can find it? |
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| 09:57.38 | root_at | th0br0: find / -name "opimd"? |
| 09:57.48 | th0br0 | ah... so it is installed by default? |
| 09:57.56 | root_at | i dont know |
| 09:58.10 | root_at | but if u have it, u can find it with this |
| 09:58.21 | th0br0 | sure :) thanks. |
| 09:58.28 | root_at | th0br0: np ; ) |
| 09:59.56 | th0br0 | well... i haven't got it, nor is there a package :/ |
| 10:00.01 | th0br0 | that's why I'm looking for the sources now. |
| 10:00.27 | quatrox|neo | is opimd already out? |
| 10:00.36 | quatrox|neo | I must be way behind |
| 10:00.37 | th0br0 | nope |
| 10:00.41 | th0br0 | and that's my reason for asking :D |
| 10:00.53 | th0br0 | i want to take a look at the code, and maybe help on it... |
| 10:01.01 | jernst | Hello, I'm refactoring the documentation of Android and the Freerunner, hope you don't mind. If you want to give me a hand, don't hesitate ;-) |
| 10:01.05 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: it is in the framework sources |
| 10:01.09 | Wonka | th0br0: i didn't reply to you |
| 10:01.44 | quatrox|neo | th0br0: try to ask some of the fso devs (mickeyl, ...) |
| 10:02.20 | th0br0 | ah ok :D |
| 10:02.26 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=tree;f=framework/subsystems/opimd;h=c6b01290a3a51f03ceb36f375d5011a65585c549;hb=11bf304b3f06081b9336cb4eeec9c9620f62cfad |
| 10:02.33 | th0br0 | ah ok |
| 10:02.51 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: afaik it is "installed" but not activated |
| 10:02.56 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 10:03.28 | th0br0 | yeah you#re right. |
| 10:03.35 | th0br0 | so how can I activate / use it? |
| 10:03.43 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: good question |
| 10:03.49 | mirko-paroli | I am wondering about the exact same thing ;) |
| 10:04.02 | th0br0 | :D ok. |
| 10:04.07 | th0br0 | I guess I'll have to ask some dev then... |
| 10:04.16 | quatrox|neo | just look at the src |
| 10:04.26 | quatrox|neo | then you figure it out;) |
| 10:04.28 | quatrox|neo | haha |
| 10:04.51 | th0br0 | haha ^^ |
| 10:05.26 | th0br0 | anyway |
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| 10:05.40 | th0br0 | I guess getting phone calls working correctly is a bigger priority |
| 10:05.49 | th0br0 | for me that is. |
| 10:05.51 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
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| 10:05.54 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: python? |
| 10:05.57 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: C? |
| 10:06.16 | th0br0 | what I code? |
| 10:06.20 | mirko-paroli | yapp |
| 10:06.53 | th0br0 | C/C++(3-4yrs), Java(5yrs), Ruby (2 yrs) and the basic Python experience |
| 10:07.04 | mirko-paroli | th0br0: nice mix :) |
| 10:07.21 | mirko-paroli | and your preference? |
| 10:07.40 | mirko-paroli | coz afaik there is 2 main projects on telefony |
| 10:07.46 | mirko-paroli | one python one C |
| 10:07.55 | th0br0 | mmh ok. what's the other one? |
| 10:08.09 | th0br0 | actually C, for scripting and so on ruby, python for xml stuff ... :D |
| 10:08.11 | mirko-paroli | well you have shr |
| 10:08.15 | mirko-paroli | and paroli |
| 10:08.20 | th0br0 | mmh... never heard about paroli |
| 10:08.38 | mirko-paroli | http://www.paroli-project.org/ |
| 10:08.47 | th0br0 | thanks. |
| 10:08.55 | mirko-paroli | hehe, my pleasure ;) |
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| 10:10.31 | th0br0 | mmh... I guess I'll take a look :) |
| 10:11.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:11.12 | mirko-paroli | sounds good :) |
| 10:11.22 | th0br0 | can I install it on shr-testing w/o problems? |
| 10:11.27 | th0br0 | or should I use openmoko testing then? |
| 10:11.33 | mirko-paroli | in theory it should work on shr |
| 10:11.39 | mirko-paroli | it is "only" python |
| 10:11.40 | th0br0 | good :) |
| 10:11.43 | th0br0 | yeah. |
| 10:11.49 | mirko-paroli | if you get the python-efl bindings |
| 10:11.54 | mirko-paroli | no problem I believe |
| 10:11.57 | th0br0 | mmgh |
| 10:12.14 | th0br0 | no |
| 10:12.18 | th0br0 | I guess I prefer the shr look :D |
| 10:12.26 | mirko-paroli | ? |
| 10:12.31 | th0br0 | http://www.paroli-project.org/about-paroli/io/ |
| 10:12.36 | th0br0 | taking a look at those screenshots |
| 10:12.43 | th0br0 | I decided to further investigate into opimd ... |
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| 10:13.16 | mirko-paroli | ah those are dev screens |
| 10:13.22 | mirko-paroli | and paroli is fully themable in efl ;) |
| 10:13.30 | mirko-paroli | but opimd is one of our concerns as well :) |
| 10:13.51 | Shlee | It's nice to see some end-user activity on the OM.. Mine has been in a box for a month |
| 10:14.01 | th0br0 | :) well... I'm no fan of efl... it's so... nasty... although I guess that once you know it well, it's nicer. |
| 10:14.20 | th0br0 | so... who is developing opimd? |
| 10:14.29 | mirko-paroli | FSo |
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| 10:14.43 | mirko-paroli | but I think right now it is kinda on hold |
| 10:14.58 | th0br0 | :/ that's bad. |
| 10:15.00 | gfather | guys i need some help |
| 10:15.07 | th0br0 | why? |
| 10:15.14 | mirko-paroli | lack of time |
| 10:15.23 | th0br0 | k |
| 10:15.24 | gfather | anyone has some free time to help ? |
| 10:15.32 | mirko-paroli | but Ainulindale said he would try to find some time |
| 10:15.38 | th0br0 | ok. |
| 10:15.54 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: what do you need help with? |
| 10:16.02 | th0br0 | I guess I'll ask him then once he gets around... when is he normally around? |
| 10:16.08 | th0br0 | *around normally |
| 10:16.16 | mirko-paroli | it seems to be almost all the time ;) |
| 10:16.20 | mirko-paroli | except right now |
| 10:16.35 | gfather | quatrox|neo1 im trying to add bidi support for om , fso and such |
| 10:16.36 | mirko-paroli | but you can also ask mickey|zzZzz or stefan_schmidt |
| 10:16.54 | gfather | so it can accept languages like Arabic and Hebrew |
| 10:16.59 | th0br0 | ok. i guess the latter one is german? |
| 10:17.11 | mirko-paroli | hehe the last 2 are actually |
| 10:17.16 | th0br0 | ah ok :D |
| 10:17.21 | th0br0 | that's good. |
| 10:17.22 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: good luck:) |
| 10:17.28 | gfather | :( |
| 10:17.34 | mirko-paroli | does that help ? |
| 10:17.40 | mirko-paroli | I mean them being german |
| 10:17.43 | quatrox|neo1 | wish a day had 60 hours |
| 10:17.52 | th0br0 | whom? me? no, I was merley wondering as I'm german, too :D |
| 10:17.56 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo1, oooh yes... |
| 10:17.59 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 10:18.06 | mirko-paroli | seems to be a lot of germans around on OM |
| 10:18.42 | th0br0 | heh :D |
| 10:18.59 | th0br0 | yet SHR is still missing german localizations ... :D |
| 10:19.05 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
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| 10:19.29 | gfather | quatrox|neo1 @ least do u know how to change system font and install a new one ? |
| 10:19.32 | th0br0 | mickey|zzZzz, mind querying me once you return from sleep? :D |
| 10:20.22 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: I think I would figure it out very fast |
| 10:20.36 | gfather | pleas try |
| 10:20.52 | th0br0 | btw, mirko-paroli, do you know anything about the problem I described earlier? I guess I got some modem problems, as the other person always has some nasty background noise hearing me and only hears part of what I say |
| 10:21.08 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: what kind of fonts? X fonts? |
| 10:21.22 | mirko-paroli | sounds like the buzz problem, but I have no clue if and how that is solvable |
| 10:21.41 | gfather | quatrox|neo1 a font that has good support for bidi so i can test on |
| 10:22.24 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm... most fonts used by GTK and Qt are |
| 10:22.54 | th0br0 | oh .... :( mirko |
| 10:23.04 | th0br0 | it is that one then... I think I'll go take a look |
| 10:23.21 | th0br0 | do you know of any bug reports on this? |
| 10:23.29 | mirko-paroli | yapp one sec |
| 10:23.39 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: any clue about buzzing issue? |
| 10:24.16 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: I would assume you can use almost any utf8 font |
| 10:24.32 | gfather | i think so |
| 10:24.54 | quatrox|neo1 | do you have a special font you would like to try which is not installed? |
| 10:25.59 | gfather | quatrox|neo1 something like arial , |
| 10:26.45 | quatrox|neo1 | I had no problems with norwegain special chars in gtk on my laptop... I could always try to cross compile to check |
| 10:27.58 | gfather | quatrox|neo1 something like arial would be good |
| 10:28.22 | quatrox|neo1 | ok... I will check it up when I get home |
| 10:29.01 | gfather | cool |
| 10:29.20 | gfather | do u know how can i change the font from terminal ? |
| 10:30.05 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: opkg list|grep font |
| 10:30.12 | quatrox|neo1 | just install one |
| 10:30.20 | quatrox|neo1 | ohh |
| 10:30.38 | quatrox|neo1 | and the font should not be changed from the term but from the WM |
| 10:30.42 | quatrox|neo1 | or theme |
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| 10:31.17 | quatrox|neo1 | but to test, you can hard code one, or call your GUI app with special params |
| 10:31.47 | gfather | well becouse i think its not working right from gui , i trie dot change , but nothing happens |
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| 10:32.05 | th0br0 | oops :S |
| 10:32.49 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: do you use GTK, ETK, Qt, ...? |
| 10:33.10 | gfather | i have fso image , and i think it uses e |
| 10:33.29 | gfather | gkt+ i think can handel bidi , but e dont |
| 10:33.39 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 10:33.42 | quatrox|neo1 | ahh, you want to change the system font from your app? |
| 10:33.50 | th0br0 | is there some way of forcing the openmoko to use gsm900 |
| 10:34.01 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: not only for your app specific? |
| 10:34.17 | gfather | no , |
| 10:34.29 | gfather | im trying to add bidi support in general |
| 10:34.35 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
| 10:34.41 | th0br0 | or for finding out what frequency I'm using? |
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| 10:35.00 | gfather | so i can the localize om and others , and or try to add arabic keyboard and such |
| 10:35.16 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: then first of all, I assume xorg.conf must load the font module |
| 10:36.30 | quatrox|neo1 | s/must/should/ |
| 10:37.06 | gfather | well i dont know, thats whay im asking :) |
| 10:37.21 | gfather | there isint much info on this subject |
| 10:37.34 | gfather | or even any localization for om and such |
| 10:37.55 | quatrox|neo1 | look at x.org |
| 10:38.03 | quatrox|neo1 | hmmm.... |
| 10:39.02 | quatrox|neo1 | google: "system font" site:.x.org |
| 10:39.14 | gfather | i just did opkg install font-arabic-misc |
| 10:39.21 | gfather | but i dont see that in gui |
| 10:39.38 | gfather | so there must be away to force it from terminal |
| 10:39.55 | quatrox|neo1 | did you google? |
| 10:40.03 | quatrox|neo1 | it gives you 3 hit |
| 10:40.16 | gfather | ok |
| 10:42.17 | quatrox|neo1 | you can ignore the first one, since we don't use xfs |
| 10:44.10 | th0br0 | DBusException: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.Timeout: device did not answer within 10 seconds -.- great error ... occuring when trying to open the gsm settings window |
| 10:44.12 | th0br0 | anyway, bbl. |
| 10:46.40 | gfather | <quatrox|neo1 u shouldve told me that :) , i read the whole page |
| 10:47.28 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: I really don't have any clue - I will look into it if I get time |
| 10:47.45 | gfather | oks |
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| 10:48.21 | quatrox|neo1 | but I would assume the best way is to use a wm plugin |
| 10:48.29 | quatrox|neo1 | and they are already written |
| 10:48.53 | quatrox|neo1 | but might need new gui |
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| 10:50.19 | quatrox|neo1 | IIRC, switching fonts is typically handled by WM theme |
| 10:51.38 | quatrox|neo1 | anyway, I am not sure what would be the best way for OM distros, since we have multiple WM's |
| 10:52.04 | gfather | <quatrox|neo1 @ least i think om 2008.x can handel bidi , but there is no documentation on how to localize |
| 10:52.22 | quatrox|neo1 | ahh |
| 10:52.30 | quatrox|neo1 | env variables? |
| 10:52.55 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm |
| 10:53.03 | quatrox|neo1 | ohh |
| 10:53.48 | quatrox|neo1 | If you don't care about the terminal, but only on GUI, it should not be too difficult |
| 10:54.06 | gfather | only gui , terminal is not ment to be localized |
| 10:55.28 | quatrox|neo1 | try to google: "system font" gentoo wiki |
| 10:55.44 | quatrox|neo1 | gentoo wiki is know to be good |
| 10:57.12 | quatrox|neo1 | I only recall there is some extra work because both gnome and kde should use the same font |
| 10:57.15 | gfather | ill do , ill just remove the fso image right now , and go back to om |
| 10:59.08 | quatrox|neo1 | I think there must be some "openmoko way" to do this |
| 10:59.37 | quatrox|neo1 | i.e. a common way |
| 11:00.55 | quatrox|neo1 | I only tried this with either or (gnome or kde) |
| 11:02.02 | quatrox|neo1 | I guess fonts and colour shemes should be handled in one common place |
| 11:02.30 | quatrox|neo1 | *themes |
| 11:02.53 | gfather | well as i said , i couldent find any info |
| 11:03.08 | gfather | as im a little bit lost |
| 11:03.42 | quatrox|neo1 | try to ask raster to point you in the right direction |
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| 11:06.43 | quatrox|neo1 | font type, size and colour should be handled in a common way anyway |
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| 11:07.10 | quatrox|neo1 | so that a Qt app follows same rules as a GTK app |
| 11:07.50 | quatrox|neo1 | sometimes I wish we only had GTK |
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| 11:09.43 | quatrox|neo1 | anyway, installing fonts are easy.... |
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| 11:09.51 | quatrox|neo1 | just opkg install |
| 11:09.55 | quatrox|neo1 | :) |
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| 11:16.31 | PaulFertser | Hey, can anyone here who's using u-boot check whether echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on really powers the modem off? Just start mickeyterm and check that the modem responds to AT. Then do the echo and check again. |
| 11:17.31 | gfather | <quatrox|neo1> i asked raster , he didnt direct me to the righ tway :( |
| 11:20.29 | quatrox|neo1 | ohh |
| 11:21.42 | quatrox|neo1 | maybe /etc/fonts/ has some relevant info.... I had a short look, but I am not sure |
| 11:22.59 | quatrox|neo1 | maybe the fastes way to work is by trial and error |
| 11:25.00 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: I think there is a package called freefonts |
| 11:25.57 | quatrox|neo1 | they should have utf8 and maybe also utf16 support |
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| 11:26.58 | mjr | the unicode encodings don't matter for that |
| 11:27.21 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
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| 11:31.51 | gfather | so we dont have any clue yet :) |
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| 11:32.39 | gfather | and by the way , i searched all google and e bidi support , not a small info that could help |
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| 11:37.21 | PaulFertser | Disregard my last checking request, i found the culprit. |
| 11:37.41 | th0br0 | back. so... how can I change the network / gsm frequency? operators in the gsm settings menu doesn't work |
| 11:40.13 | th0br0 | ok.. the operators list in the settingis dialoge appears to be broken... DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
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| 11:43.09 | SpeedEvil | th0br0: usually, you don't |
| 11:43.13 | SpeedEvil | you change the SIM |
| 11:43.18 | SpeedEvil | and it all does it itself |
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| 11:44.11 | SpeedEvil | You only generally need to specify the operator if you're near a border, and occasionally pick up foreign operators onto which you have the right to roam (at high rates) |
| 11:44.17 | quatrox|neo1 | SeedEvil: it is practical when you are roaming to be able to select a good provider |
| 11:44.23 | th0br0 | yup |
| 11:44.41 | th0br0 | hah... what if I don't want to change the sim as I want to keep this number? (I'm getting that buzz bug and according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_or_not gsm900 might solve the problem... I didn't have it at all with the preinstalled 2007.2 btw...) |
| 11:44.43 | quatrox|neo1 | grrr... I was too slow |
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| 11:45.37 | SpeedEvil | thb: sometimes you can;t |
| 11:45.37 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: did you use gprs when you got that buzz? |
| 11:45.41 | th0br0 | nope |
| 11:45.51 | SpeedEvil | thb: some operators do not have more than one frequency available |
| 11:46.01 | th0br0 | mmh... |
| 11:46.21 | th0br0 | but actually, as I didn't have the buzz bug with 2007.2 my provider _must_ have another frequency |
| 11:46.33 | th0br0 | or there has been a change between these 2 versions that's causing it now. |
| 11:46.48 | SpeedEvil | Are you in the same place as when you were using 2007.2? |
| 11:47.09 | th0br0 | yup |
| 11:47.11 | SpeedEvil | moving 10cm can in some cases make the phone switch cell, which may cause it. |
| 11:47.13 | quatrox|neo1 | can the mixer settings have any influence? |
| 11:47.34 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: reportedly not - according to DocScrutinizer - but... |
| 11:47.53 | SpeedEvil | If it works for you, that's hard to argue with |
| 11:48.31 | SpeedEvil | I'd try reverting to 2007.2 and see if it goes away again. Did calls work? |
| 11:48.36 | th0br0 | they did |
| 11:48.39 | quatrox|neo1 | I never experienced any buzz except when I once where downloading a lot over gprs at the same time as I where calling |
| 11:48.41 | SpeedEvil | You could hear the far end, and they could hear you? |
| 11:48.46 | th0br0 | yeah |
| 11:48.51 | th0br0 | it's possible even now |
| 11:48.54 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: that is impossible AIUI |
| 11:49.04 | th0br0 | only the other end hears this buzzing... and my voice appears to be laggy and only sent in parts. |
| 11:49.13 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: you can't download at the same time you're on a call - with th class of modem in the FR |
| 11:49.29 | quatrox|neo1 | I know |
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| 11:49.44 | quatrox|neo1 | but something causes buzz |
| 11:50.01 | quatrox|neo1 | and only when gprs is active when I call |
| 11:50.04 | th0br0 | yeah, and I daresay it's not caused by the hardware ... -.- |
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| 11:50.21 | quatrox|neo1 | active as in traffic |
| 11:50.39 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: you can transfer data when you call? |
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| 11:51.02 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: over GPRS and GSM call at the same time? |
| 11:51.18 | SpeedEvil | or was this skype over wifi |
| 11:51.37 | quatrox|neo1 | I guess it is possible that only keeping the gprs connection made the buzz |
| 11:51.54 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the GPRS connection is paused on a call. |
| 11:52.08 | quatrox|neo1 | I can do some tests when I get the gsm up and running again |
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| 11:52.28 | quatrox|neo1 | no voip... normal voice |
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| 11:53.18 | SpeedEvil | There is (if I haven't lost the place) an official explanation for GSM buzz. Which is stray RF getting into the headset connector, into the mic circuitry. |
| 11:53.46 | SpeedEvil | Fixing this with rework - an extra capacitor - stops the buzz |
| 11:53.46 | th0br0 | Yeah... IIRC you can fix it by cutting off some pins |
| 11:53.54 | th0br0 | mmh... |
| 11:54.14 | quatrox|neo1 | I think it is paused most of the time, but that it might get a few time slots and maybe that cause problems |
| 11:54.16 | SpeedEvil | Smart people have looked over the schematic and found that there is no sensible other way to stop the buzz. |
| 11:54.30 | th0br0 | but still... as I didn't have this problem with 2007.2 ... that can't be the reason for why I'm having this bug now. |
| 11:54.33 | quatrox|neo1 | well, I am lucky since I live in a place where buzz is no issue |
| 11:54.47 | SpeedEvil | Of course, smart people have been known to be wrong before, and if you can get 2007.2 to reliably work buzz-free, that is of course very good to investigate |
| 11:55.22 | SpeedEvil | It can be caused by external stuff too - for example, the cell-company changes out their hardware, or upgrades a cell-sites software |
| 11:55.32 | th0br0 | mmh |
| 11:55.35 | th0br0 | not within 1 day though |
| 11:55.48 | quatrox|neo1 | remembers the one time he was wrong |
| 11:56.01 | SpeedEvil | Coincidences do happen. |
| 11:56.19 | th0br0 | indeed they do. |
| 11:56.33 | henk | 'sigh' what distributions run from flash and are kind of usable? |
| 11:56.36 | PaulFertser | th0br0: take werner's binary to check for the buzz and an o'scope and check. Too many words about "possible software solutions", too little evidence. |
| 11:56.48 | SpeedEvil | don't need no scope |
| 11:57.08 | SpeedEvil | if you can't hear it... |
| 11:57.16 | th0br0 | i would eventually, if I had the tools |
| 11:57.21 | th0br0 | could you give me a link to that binary? |
| 11:57.37 | quatrox|neo1 | cat /dev/dsp >file |
| 11:57.54 | th0br0 | k |
| 11:58.06 | th0br0 | no /dev/dsp here :) |
| 11:58.11 | th0br0 | sound is working though. |
| 11:58.12 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: don't fool him |
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| 11:58.35 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 11:59.56 | quatrox|neo1 | PaulFertser: since a scope was recommended I thought the point was to get some measurable and compareble results |
| 12:00.09 | SpeedEvil | I'd not be completely sure of the lack of possible software solutions, especially given that the audio chip is so configurable, it may just pass the turning test with the right mixer config. |
| 12:01.12 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: try to use the OM2002.7 alsa state files |
| 12:01.13 | PaulFertser | The buzz goes from the MIC! |
| 12:01.34 | quatrox|neo1 | yes |
| 12:01.58 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: to check that werner wrote a special utility and made a reference measurements. |
| 12:02.13 | quatrox|neo1 | ohh |
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| 12:02.16 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: yes, I agree. I don't see how a software solution can affect it. Having said that, if someone reports 2007.2 works, new version does not, and if the buzz goes away again on reflashing 2007.2 that's at least an interesting datapoint don't you think? |
| 12:02.29 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo1, i guess that 2002 was quite some time back ;) anyway... I'll try to find them. |
| 12:02.36 | SpeedEvil | (though I note the second point hasn't been checked) |
| 12:02.39 | th0br0 | (and I know that you probably meant OM2007.2) |
| 12:02.47 | SpeedEvil | s/secon/thir/ |
| 12:02.59 | henk | wtf do i need partitions on the sdcard for android? |
| 12:03.01 | th0br0 | ah well... I guess I'll just reflash the fr |
| 12:03.15 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: well, any state files from when you didn't have the buzz |
| 12:03.21 | th0br0 | k |
| 12:03.31 | th0br0 | can I download the current rootfs image btw? |
| 12:03.33 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: it could in principle also be different modem initialisation. |
| 12:03.53 | quatrox|neo1 | yes |
| 12:03.58 | quatrox|neo1 | I thought of that too |
| 12:04.03 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: th0br0 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.hardware/856 |
| 12:04.09 | th0br0 | thanks alot PaulFertser |
| 12:04.24 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: or more wackily, other stuff initialisation - if for example a nominally high impedence track on 2007.2 was pulled high or low and stopped coupling noise into mic. |
| 12:04.55 | th0br0 | too bad... there is no 2007.2 image available anymore -.- |
| 12:05.08 | quatrox|neo1 | this is too technical for me |
| 12:05.34 | quatrox|neo1 | it is better to test the simple things first |
| 12:05.40 | th0br0 | agreed. |
| 12:06.17 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|neo1: basically - hardware bugs are evil, and a solution that fixes the problem that you thought you had doesn't mean the problem you thought you had is in fact the problem. |
| 12:06.34 | quatrox|neo1 | I know |
| 12:06.49 | quatrox|neo1 | especially with frequencies involved |
| 12:06.55 | th0br0 | mmh weird... om2007.2 doesn't appear to be what I was running based off those screenshots ... -.- |
| 12:06.56 | th0br0 | anyway. |
| 12:07.00 | th0br0 | let's try another sim. |
| 12:07.09 | th0br0 | or no... that's on the same network |
| 12:10.21 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: if you find different results between distro'es/distro versions, it would be nice to know when the problem occured |
| 12:10.35 | th0br0 | sure... I'll first have to find some 2007.2 image though |
| 12:10.46 | quatrox|neo1 | why so old? |
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| 12:11.04 | th0br0 | umm... because that one was the version preinstalled when I got the FR yesterday. |
| 12:11.28 | quatrox|neo1 | you bought it new? |
| 12:11.51 | th0br0 | i did |
| 12:11.53 | quatrox|neo1 | I would assume you got om2008.x |
| 12:11.58 | th0br0 | nope |
| 12:12.00 | th0br0 | i didn't |
| 12:12.06 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
| 12:12.29 | quatrox|neo1 | which hw rev do you have? |
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| 12:13.49 | th0br0 | gta02v6 |
| 12:13.52 | th0br0 | with gps-fix |
| 12:13.58 | quatrox|neo1 | ohh |
| 12:13.59 | th0br0 | what's the newest one? |
| 12:14.23 | quatrox|neo1 | a7 |
| 12:14.32 | th0br0 | so I'm 1 version behind? |
| 12:14.42 | th0br0 | or even more? |
| 12:14.47 | quatrox|neo1 | but not surenif a7 is being shipped yet |
| 12:15.07 | th0br0 | so after v6 there was a7 ? |
| 12:15.17 | quatrox|neo1 | anyway, there are only minor changes from 6 to 7 |
| 12:15.22 | th0br0 | ok, good. |
| 12:15.47 | th0br0 | otherwise I'd have been terribly annoyed, as the shop (official one according to openmoko.com) announced that rev as the most up-to -date one |
| 12:15.59 | quatrox|neo1 | IIRC, it is just a bigger cap so you can boot with empty battery |
| 12:16.08 | th0br0 | ah ok. |
| 12:16.31 | th0br0 | http://static1.shopify.com/s/files/1/0011/9322/products/freerunner_shop1.png?0 << btw, that os... what om rev is it? |
| 12:16.35 | th0br0 | as that's the one I had preinstalled :D |
| 12:17.09 | h4v | th0br0: 2007.2 |
| 12:17.12 | th0br0 | ok, good. |
| 12:17.26 | th0br0 | now I just need an image -.- |
| 12:19.55 | quatrox|neo1 | I should have it somewhere |
| 12:20.04 | th0br0 | thanks, take your time. |
| 12:20.33 | th0br0 | I think I'm going to install android first for the fun of it :) |
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| 12:23.22 | quatrox|neo1 | android is not very stable yet |
| 12:23.26 | quatrox|neo1 | just to warn you |
| 12:24.00 | th0br0 | ok, then I'll restrain from doing so. |
| 12:24.05 | th0br0 | thanks for the warning :) |
| 12:25.02 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm |
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| 12:25.27 | henk | what IS stable in the FR world? only debian afaict ;) |
| 12:26.08 | quatrox|neo1 | I don't know if I have both om2007.2 and om2007.8, but they should be equal when it comes to your issue |
| 12:26.29 | th0br0 | DARN |
| 12:26.39 | th0br0 | i first need to get my device to boot again -.- |
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| 12:27.02 | th0br0 | or not... mmh... let's see... |
| 12:27.07 | quatrox|neo1 | what happeneed? |
| 12:27.31 | th0br0 | ah nothing... I installed Qi and though that I had forgotten to do do some stuff |
| 12:27.43 | th0br0 | but it's funny how fast shr boots up now. |
| 12:28.08 | quatrox|neo1 | :) |
| 12:28.14 | quatrox|neo1 | not really true |
| 12:28.23 | henk | qi rocks :-p |
| 12:28.31 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo1, ? |
| 12:28.43 | th0br0 | henk, yes :) |
| 12:28.46 | quatrox|neo1 | when it is finished booting, you must wait half a minute until the framework is ready |
| 12:28.51 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm |
| 12:28.51 | dns53 | th0br0 isn't it press power then alt, or is it alt then power |
| 12:28.56 | quatrox|neo1 | one and a half |
| 12:29.24 | PaulFertser | henk: just found a bug in Qi that prevents powering off the modem. With some great help of Doc. |
| 12:29.25 | th0br0 | dns53, power then alt... |
| 12:29.36 | henk | PaulFertser: update the wikipage ;) |
| 12:29.49 | th0br0 | weird... I just noticed that for the first 1-2s, that buzz noise doesn't occur |
| 12:29.52 | PaulFertser | No need. Werner's already sent a patch. |
| 12:30.07 | henk | ah ok :) |
| 12:30.34 | SpeedEvil | th0br0: the call setup doesn't actually have the constant GSM access |
| 12:30.38 | SpeedEvil | only sporradic |
| 12:30.55 | th0br0 | ah ok. |
| 12:31.00 | th0br0 | that's good to know :) |
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| 12:33.48 | th0br0 | btw... why did you guys change from gtk / c code to python anyway? (or has it been python the whole time and I'm just misunderstanding sth here?) |
| 12:34.51 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: I found, I found |
| 12:35.06 | PaulFertser | th0br0: i think it was emdete who started to use python for his pyneo framework. It's a good language for that kind of stuff, especially for fast prototyping. |
| 12:35.06 | th0br0 | awesome |
| 12:35.14 | leinir | For ease of programming, i suspect - python's more pleasant to code in, and all the heavy computing is still done by libraries anyway :) |
| 12:35.22 | quatrox|neo1 | but never use my u-boot env.... |
| 12:35.25 | leinir | (libraries written in some compiled language) |
| 12:35.27 | quatrox|neo1 | they can be dangerous |
| 12:35.45 | dns53 | have you thought about implementing telepathy or implementing some of thair ideas |
| 12:36.21 | soul9 | like? |
| 12:37.27 | dns53 | well the api is designed to do a few things at once instead of constanty going forwards and backwards between components |
| 12:37.55 | dns53 | you may want to get a larger set of info in a single request instead of lots of little ones |
| 12:38.22 | soul9 | well, i guess the fact that dbus is xml makes this pretty irrelevant |
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| 12:38.53 | soul9 | because sending individual messages probably isn't much overhead compated to having to parse all the xml and shit |
| 12:38.59 | soul9 | compared* |
| 12:39.06 | kirsch | hi all |
| 12:39.18 | kirsch | i cant install anything with opkg |
| 12:39.21 | kirsch | ~# |
| 12:39.22 | apt | # is probably pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 12:39.22 | kirsch | ~#opkg install python-tkinter |
| 12:39.22 | kirsch | Installing python-tkinter (2.5.2-ml0) to root... |
| 12:39.22 | kirsch | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/python-tkinter_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.opk |
| 12:39.22 | kirsch | Collected errors: |
| 12:39.23 | kirsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.35 | kirsch | is the reporitory broken? |
| 12:39.41 | kirsch | *repository |
| 12:40.13 | dns53 | can you ping google etc? |
| 12:40.28 | soul9 | kirsch: opkg update |
| 12:40.30 | dns53 | did you do an opkg update? |
| 12:40.54 | kirsch | i can ping google and already dit opkg update several times |
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| 12:41.43 | kirsch | i think i`ll manually check if the mde5 checksum is broken... |
| 12:42.08 | kirsch | *md5 |
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| 12:43.42 | badcloud_ | hello all |
| 12:44.20 | kirsch | hi |
| 12:44.22 | badcloud_ | anyone know how to arrange that the 'ifdown eth0' command be issued pre-suspend? |
| 12:44.34 | badcloud_ | how's it going, kirsch? |
| 12:46.28 | kirsch | when i download python-tkinter with my browser the md5 checksum is d22dc9ee7e4c6cfa0f8975ecfb5f9240. but |
| 12:46.47 | kirsch | but http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages says it shuld be 2e1ed1f454113d019e9251cc8cc97b85 |
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| 12:51.23 | th0br0 | umm |
| 12:51.30 | th0br0 | how can I flash my system when I have Qi installed? |
| 12:52.02 | kirsch | whats Qi? |
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| 12:52.23 | th0br0 | the boot loader. |
| 12:52.35 | th0br0 | that followed u-boot |
| 12:52.38 | henk | th0br0: with the uboot in nor. |
| 12:52.56 | henk | th0br0: hold aux, hold power. uboot (nor) menu should appear |
| 12:52.59 | th0br0 | ah :) |
| 12:53.02 | th0br0 | that way around, ok. |
| 12:53.18 | henk | th0br0: alternatively: put debian or something else with nandwrite on the sd, boot that, flash from there. way faster! |
| 12:53.41 | soul9 | it's faster??? |
| 12:53.44 | soul9 | henk: wowowowo |
| 12:53.45 | soul9 | :-) |
| 12:54.00 | soul9 | 'll have to read up on nandwrite |
| 12:54.22 | henk | soul9: yes, rootfs take seconds, not minutes. or perhaps one minute instead of 15 ;) |
| 12:54.31 | soul9 | wowowowow |
| 12:55.23 | soul9 | can you boot a kernel >2M from sd at all? |
| 12:55.28 | henk | afaik yes |
| 12:55.41 | soul9 | the NOR uboot can boot >2M kernels? :-/ |
| 12:55.49 | th0br0 | afaik only qi can do that ? |
| 12:55.53 | soul9 | yea |
| 12:56.08 | quatrox|neo1 | well, debian takes time to boot |
| 12:56.10 | soul9 | ?_0 |
| 12:56.11 | quatrox|neo1 | and time to install |
| 12:56.35 | soul9 | hanez: how? |
| 12:56.35 | henk | soul9: nor uboot? i don't think so. |
| 12:56.45 | soul9 | henk: then how? |
| 12:56.46 | henk | newer uboots can boot >2M as well iirc |
| 12:56.49 | PaulFertser | soul9: why would anyone boot large kernel with NOR u-boot? |
| 12:56.51 | soul9 | hanez: sorry, nevermind |
| 12:57.11 | soul9 | well, they say too bot from sd you need to use the nor uboot |
| 12:57.12 | PaulFertser | henk: only with environment trimmed. And that's for NAND kernel, not sure if it works for SD. |
| 12:57.18 | soul9 | s/bot/boot |
| 12:57.21 | PaulFertser | soul9: who says? |
| 12:57.30 | soul9 | wiki? |
| 12:57.36 | henk | PaulFertser: ah ok |
| 12:57.48 | henk | soul9: where? |
| 12:57.49 | PaulFertser | To boot from SD NOR u-boot recommended? Where? |
| 12:57.59 | soul9 | :-) |
| 12:58.07 | soul9 | probably not on the openmoko wiki |
| 12:58.15 | soul9 | some other distro's:-) |
| 12:58.27 | soul9 | so how do i boot sd with qi then?:-) |
| 12:58.30 | PaulFertser | NOR u-boot is ooold. |
| 12:58.30 | soul9 | mmm |
| 12:58.38 | soul9 | i'll go and check the qi wikipage |
| 12:58.42 | PaulFertser | I don't advice anybody to boot with that. |
| 12:58.50 | soul9 | PaulFertser: ???? |
| 12:58.54 | soul9 | PaulFertser: qi? |
| 12:59.01 | PaulFertser | soul9: to boot with NOR u-boot. |
| 12:59.04 | soul9 | ah |
| 12:59.06 | soul9 | ok |
| 12:59.08 | PaulFertser | soul9: Use Qi whenever possible. |
| 12:59.11 | soul9 | ok |
| 12:59.14 | soul9 | yeah |
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| 13:00.10 | PaulFertser | soul9: please find that wiki page that advices to boot using NOR u-boot. I want to see that. |
| 13:00.37 | soul9 | ok |
| 13:01.05 | soul9 | i gotta go get a big µsd first, though, before shops close for the week-end |
| 13:01.29 | soul9 | PaulFertser: it was _some_ distro's wikipage for booting from sd, i'll try to find it |
| 13:02.12 | PaulFertser | It'd be good to correct the info there. |
| 13:02.52 | soul9 | i'll find what i need to boot sd with qi on the wiki qi page, right? |
| 13:03.07 | PaulFertser | soul9: if you read carefully, yes. |
| 13:03.10 | soul9 | PaulFertser: i'll notify them when i find the page |
| 13:03.12 | soul9 | ok |
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| 13:04.09 | soul9 | well, bbl |
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| 13:13.40 | doxy2 | hey |
| 13:13.52 | doxy2 | what ABi does Freerunner use? |
| 13:15.17 | henk | what do the power and aux button do systemwise? are they reported as keyboard events or what? |
| 13:15.42 | evolux | there is some special input driver in the kernel i think |
| 13:17.02 | henk | any reference to that? |
| 13:17.34 | dns53 | henk i beleve they map to space and esc keys |
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| 13:18.37 | henk | hmpf atm some app is listening to them... the openmoko panel plugin probably. |
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| 13:23.03 | kirsch | there is something false in the wiki on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje_examples... |
| 13:23.11 | kirsch | in Embedded etk widget |
| 13:23.40 | kirsch | the python code expects an widget_embed.edj. but.. |
| 13:23.41 | henk | correct it :) |
| 13:24.03 | kirsch | where is the edit button (-; |
| 13:24.10 | henk | at the top |
| 13:24.15 | henk | you need to be logged in |
| 13:24.19 | henk | of course ;) |
| 13:25.59 | kirsch | ahh ok, i have to register... |
| 13:26.04 | kirsch | ok, i will do this |
| 13:26.26 | henk | good, thanks :) |
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| 13:27.11 | kirsch | ohh, i thanks all who actually wrote the wiki :-) |
| 13:28.01 | henk | kirsch: so do i and you and i are one of those... |
| 13:28.23 | kirsch | yeah! |
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| 13:35.27 | kirsch | is it actually possible to see via gtk if the finger is on the touchscreen? |
| 13:35.45 | kirsch | in efl you have on_mouse_down_add and on_mouse_up_add |
| 13:36.09 | kirsch | but is there something corresponding in gtk? |
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| 13:44.12 | projektdotnet | does anyone know how to get a copy of mkswap that will run on the neo? My machine won't read the memory card directly so it is impossible to create a swap space directly on it from my memory card |
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| 13:45.00 | projektdotnet | nm found a way to swap into an img file |
| 13:45.05 | projektdotnet | from the mailing list |
| 13:46.32 | kirsch | can i disable the md5sum check of opkg? |
| 13:53.44 | Dave | unfortunately, no. Just ignore it. |
| 13:55.35 | kirsch | well, opkg doesnt install the package if the md5sum doesnt match..... |
| 13:56.40 | Dave | you can force it :P |
| 13:56.48 | kirsch | how? |
| 13:57.06 | Dave | it's one of the -force options |
| 13:57.12 | Dave | or should be |
| 13:57.15 | Dave | opkg --help |
| 13:57.35 | kirsch | there are some force options but none for the md5sum )-; |
| 13:57.45 | kirsch | i am installing the package manually |
| 13:58.02 | Dave | damn :\ |
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| 13:58.21 | Dave | jonkristian :] |
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| 14:25.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r528d6c93c591 10/src/ (consts.vala monitor.vala): fix indentation |
| 14:25.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rb6c095064d24 10/src/ (consts.vala monitor.vala): bind power supply signals |
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| 14:28.42 | claudyus_ | hi all, someone know were i can found python-pygame package? |
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| 14:29.42 | root_at | claudyus_: os? may in the repo |
| 14:29.49 | root_at | or you request it |
| 14:30.10 | claudyus_ | i use shr atm but i cannot found it on repo |
| 14:31.09 | root_at | if you use shr, you better dont use any other repo. you need to request it. you can write a ticket or you go to the #openmoko-cdevel channel and ask there to add it to the repo |
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| 14:32.21 | PBeck | re |
| 14:33.18 | claudyus_ | thanks root_at i will try |
| 14:33.24 | root_at | claudyus_: np |
| 14:39.14 | Gnutoo | hello, I've a big problem : when i do opkg list | grep gtk+ I have gtk+ - 2.14.2-r1 - but I don't find it in opkg list_installed |grep gtk+ nor in cd /var/lib/opkg grep "Package: gtk+$" * |
| 14:40.17 | root_at | did you opkg install gtk+-2.14.2-rl? |
| 14:40.38 | Gnutoo | root_at, don't remember...but it should be in opkg list_installed in this case |
| 14:40.41 | Gnutoo | i'll look |
| 14:41.06 | henk | Gnutoo: tried only grepping for 'gtk'? |
| 14:41.08 | root_at | it wont be there, if you didnt intall it |
| 14:41.28 | Gnutoo | henk, also for the version and I found a python package that matched |
| 14:41.32 | henk | s/.*// |
| 14:41.40 | henk | apt: do your job :-p |
| 14:41.41 | apt | ACTION does your job :-p. |
| 14:41.51 | Dave | :p |
| 14:41.54 | Gnutoo | henk, I have shr...not apt |
| 14:42.08 | henk | Gnutoo: read what root_at said. why should it be in list_installed? |
| 14:42.16 | henk | Gnutoo: i was talking to the bot... |
| 14:42.24 | Gnutoo | henk, ah ok thanks |
| 14:43.24 | Gnutoo | it's not in list_installed...in fact I only have a gtk-1 package there |
| 14:43.56 | root_at | Gnutoo: so you have to opkg install it ; ) |
| 14:44.10 | Gnutoo | root_at, ok i'll try |
| 14:44.47 | Gnutoo | root_at, Installing gtk+ (2.14.2-r1) to root... |
| 14:45.02 | root_at | you see ; ) wasnt installed |
| 14:45.44 | Gnutoo | root_at, yes it wasn't installed but it tries to install the 2.14 version and fails because it isn't on any repos: * ERROR: Package gtk+ (parent gtk+) is not available from any configured src. |
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| 14:46.40 | root_at | Gnutoo: what was you opkg command in this case? |
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| 14:46.51 | Gnutoo | root_at, opkg install gtk+ |
| 14:47.01 | root_at | what was it this time? |
| 14:47.21 | Gnutoo | but mabe I should download the package and opkg it but it will break the opkg upgrade anyway |
| 14:47.35 | Gnutoo | as it will still try to install the new gtk+ |
| 14:47.43 | Gnutoo | mabe I should bitbake this gtk+ |
| 14:48.04 | root_at | are you using shr testing? |
| 14:49.08 | Gnutoo | root_at, no shr-unstable |
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| 14:49.38 | root_at | wonders why newest gtk+ isnt in the repo... |
| 14:50.00 | Gnutoo | root_at, mabe because it's not the default in oe |
| 14:50.05 | leinir | They've given up on that dead-end toolkit ;) |
| 14:50.07 | leinir | ducks ;) |
| 14:50.12 | Gnutoo | s/defaut/default version/ |
| 14:52.29 | Gnutoo | root_at, is there a problem in shr-unstable with gtk+ ? |
| 14:52.38 | Gnutoo | or is it my setup? |
| 14:53.39 | root_at | Gnutoo: i am sorry, i cant tell you. i am using shr-testing, tried to switch today but most things didnt work out of the box so i flashed testing again |
| 14:54.15 | Gnutoo | root_at, ah ok |
| 14:54.39 | Gnutoo | so my only option left is to wait hours for the compilation |
| 14:54.44 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot anyway |
| 14:55.16 | root_at | Gnutoo: you are welcome. you could also ask someone else, might someone knows something |
| 14:55.24 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 14:56.00 | Gnutoo | the thing is that I need to upgrade in order to test the new midori...(0.1.2) |
| 14:56.10 | Gnutoo | and I also have to test a kernel |
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| 14:57.37 | root_at | you should take a look at dillo, but not that one from the repo, its not dillo2. you can get dillo 2 here: http://www.opkg.org/package_24.html its fast, as you can read in the comments |
| 14:59.33 | root_at | Gnutoo: and dont forget to install the real wget, in order to download things with dillo |
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| 15:03.52 | gfather | anyone got bluetooth or wifi working on om2008.12 or later ? |
| 15:05.15 | Gnutoo | root_at, actually I use dillo1 with wget |
| 15:05.22 | Gnutoo | root_at, but I want to fix midori |
| 15:05.38 | root_at | gfather: had also problems with bluetooth, but i am using shr. it didnt work after reset or power_on when i tried hciconfig, but when i launched ReMoko i could connect with my pc |
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| 15:06.09 | gfather | maybe ill try remoko |
| 15:06.15 | root_at | Gnutoo: i used to have dillo1 too, but dillo2 is faster. no wonder, its fltk ; ) |
| 15:06.35 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: what about your Wifi testing? |
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| 15:06.59 | Gnutoo | root_at, yes but dillo2 has problems with ssl |
| 15:07.26 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, i'll do it...but I wanted to upgrade first in order to avoid the 100% cpu consumation if possible |
| 15:07.51 | angasule | half the memory footprint of dillo? |
| 15:07.53 | root_at | gfather: when i lauch it, it waits til someone connects, pw should be 1234 (dont forget to edit in /etc on your pc) and dont connect with hcitool -cc, usw hidd --connect |
| 15:08.24 | root_at | usw* |
| 15:08.30 | root_at | use* -.- |
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| 15:09.30 | root_at | afk |
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| 15:18.57 | Gnutoo | compilation of pango fails...I will have to reflash!!! |
| 15:19.04 | Gnutoo | and I have to try that kernel |
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| 15:20.59 | salman_ | greetings |
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| 15:21.17 | root_at | salman_: hello |
| 15:22.07 | Gnutoo | wow shr-unstable is compatible 2.6.28 |
| 15:22.23 | Gnutoo | or is it because they picked oe's change and they aren't |
| 15:22.41 | salman_ | I am running a FDOM image of a couple of months ago, I was away from the net for a while. I browsed the planet.openmoko.org today but didn't see any new image of any distro. is there any |
| 15:26.00 | quatrox|neo1 | Gnutoo: I noticeed that things have moved inside sys, so I guess they really are more or less compatible with 2.6.28 |
| 15:26.13 | quatrox|neo1 | *inoticed |
| 15:26.21 | quatrox|neo1 | noticed |
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| 15:26.47 | Gnutoo | quatrox|neo1, ok thanks a lot |
| 15:26.59 | quatrox|neo1 | np |
| 15:27.17 | th0br0 | salman, there is shr-unstable |
| 15:30.19 | salman | th0br0, how unstable in shr-unstable now ? :-) |
| 15:30.51 | salman_ | s/in/is |
| 15:30.53 | th0br0 | mmh... I'd call it somewhat stable. Haven't had any serious crash with it so far (mind that I've only been using it for ~1 day ;) |
| 15:31.03 | th0br0 | but ... I think it is pretty stable. |
| 15:31.42 | quatrox|neo1 | it is more stable that "shr-stable" |
| 15:31.49 | salman_ | th0br0, I will try that.. I have not tried shr before |
| 15:31.57 | salman_ | quatrox|neo1, he he |
| 15:31.59 | Sharwin_F- | salman, I use unstable as my daily phone :) |
| 15:32.13 | salman_ | heading the the wiki page to find out more |
| 15:32.48 | quatrox|neo1 | salman_: http://shr-project.org/ |
| 15:33.09 | quatrox|neo1 | there is a nice wiki to get you started |
| 15:33.53 | salman_ | thanks quatrox|neo1 |
| 15:34.47 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8750588ca23b 10/framework/patterns/kobject.py: kobject.py: kobject notifications might as well be longer than 512 bytes. Read larger buffer. Spotted by beniwtv, thanks a bunch! |
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| 15:40.40 | salman | the dates of the uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin in the two page of the install page of the wiki are different |
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| 15:41.54 | F4t | did anyone flash yet koolu's new beta2 android image? |
| 15:42.11 | quatrox|neo1 | salman_: download from build.shr-project.org |
| 15:42.29 | brian__ | why is there no reference to the russian om2008.12? |
| 15:42.48 | brian__ | its lik an updated om2008.12 |
| 15:43.02 | Dave | QUATROX! |
| 15:43.37 | quatrox|neo1 | Dave |
| 15:43.45 | Dave | YES |
| 15:43.46 | Dave | :D |
| 15:44.05 | Dave | Quatrox, did you ever speak with a user named 'orzo' ? |
| 15:44.22 | salman | and download the .jffs from the other site? |
| 15:44.53 | brian__ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 15:45.14 | quatrox|neo1 | yes |
| 15:45.31 | quatrox|neo1 | Dave: why do you ask |
| 15:45.50 | Dave | He required your assistance hooking his usb up |
| 15:45.58 | Dave | apparently you have a nice little schematic on your site :) |
| 15:46.09 | quatrox|neo1 | hahaha |
| 15:46.11 | Dave | But he didn't get it or something, so he made an image he wanted to show you ask you to help with :P |
| 15:46.20 | Dave | I wasn't sure if he ever figured it out, it seemed not. |
| 15:46.25 | Dave | So I was waiting to ask you :) |
| 15:46.29 | brian__ | connect the dots:) |
| 15:46.36 | Dave | YES |
| 15:46.37 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:46.41 | Dave | Did you see it, Brian? |
| 15:46.45 | quatrox|neo1 | he made a better one, but connected the cables in reverse order |
| 15:46.48 | brian__ | yea |
| 15:46.52 | Dave | OH okay |
| 15:46.54 | Dave | :P |
| 15:46.59 | Dave | Yeah it was pretty funny |
| 15:47.00 | quatrox|neo1 | so I should update my schematic |
| 15:47.07 | Dave | :) |
| 15:47.15 | Dave | Yeah, I thought that'd be good, Quatrox :) |
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| 15:47.42 | brian__ | use his pic it will be very simple for anybody to follow |
| 15:47.48 | quatrox|neo1 | I could ask orzo to update his |
| 15:47.53 | Dave | Yeah, actually that's what I was thinking :) |
| 15:48.01 | Dave | I thought quatrox's was fine |
| 15:48.04 | brian__ | alter ego? |
| 15:48.08 | Dave | but admittedly for total noob, his would be great |
| 15:48.10 | Dave | :) |
| 15:48.15 | Dave | rofl |
| 15:48.27 | Dave | smacks brian around a bit with a large code |
| 15:48.47 | quatrox|neo1 | Dave: mine is so terrible that I wanted to wait to put it public |
| 15:48.55 | Dave | Oh haha |
| 15:49.00 | quatrox|neo1 | I put it out on request |
| 15:49.00 | Dave | Well obviously someone found it! :D |
| 15:49.03 | Dave | and publicized it |
| 15:49.14 | Dave | I could do a REAL schematic if you wanted :P |
| 15:49.20 | Dave | though I honestly thought yours wasn't bad :) |
| 15:49.26 | Dave | I mean, I understood it just fine |
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| 15:49.45 | Dave | SICU |
| 15:50.00 | bmm | I'm trying to decide to go with Hackable1 or just Debian. I'm a GNOME fan, so hackable 1 seems a good idea. Any opinions laying around? |
| 15:50.34 | quatrox|neo1 | Dave: I think it would be great to use orzo's art... no need for more schematics |
| 15:51.06 | Dave | Exactly :p |
| 15:51.14 | Dave | and that's really the kind of thing we want on the wiki :) |
| 15:51.14 | quatrox|neo1 | I could also make a real schematic, but installed the program that compiled fastes (I use Gentoo) |
| 15:51.31 | Dave | Quatrox, oh, don't worry, I NOTICED ¬_¬ |
| 15:51.54 | brian__ | mokoart |
| 15:52.06 | sicu | DAVE |
| 15:52.16 | Dave | I have multisim/electronics workbench so I could do it in that, fine :) |
| 15:52.26 | Dave | s'kjera, min bestevenn? =] |
| 15:52.51 | quatrox|neo1 | Dave: If you find anything useful, just copy, modify or whatever you want |
| 15:53.04 | brian__ | yea we wanna see Dave's electronic workbench |
| 15:53.08 | Dave | I was planning to do that anyway! |
| 15:53.15 | quatrox|neo1 | copyleft |
| 15:53.18 | Dave | Brian, hahaha you mean my lab table? hahaha no you don't :P |
| 15:53.38 | Dave | last I left it yesterday, covered in usb hubs, cables, and upside-down/opened freerunners |
| 15:53.41 | sicu | Dave: awww =] |
| 15:53.45 | Dave | since I was having power issues and trying to solve it |
| 15:54.00 | Dave | quatrox :D |
| 15:54.03 | Dave | sicu ^^ |
| 15:54.06 | SpeedEvil | passes Dave the power of greyskull. |
| 15:54.12 | sicu | Dave: just the obligatory scap refresh before heading out ;] |
| 15:54.15 | Dave | YES |
| 15:54.21 | Dave | sicu, ah ^^ |
| 15:55.00 | Dave | Rofl |
| 15:55.10 | Dave | That bb guy on scap has SNAKES ON A PLANE loaded :P |
| 15:55.38 | sicu | and yes, we do wan't to see Dave's lab |
| 15:56.30 | Dave | D: |
| 15:56.31 | Dave | hides |
| 15:57.15 | SpeedEvil | always pictured dave as the sort for a toy dog in a little bag, not a labrador. |
| 15:58.06 | sicu | uhmmm, why anyone would load snakes on plane beats me |
| 15:58.16 | Dave | Haw :p |
| 15:58.22 | Dave | sicu, ja XD |
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| 15:58.32 | sicu | haha, who's turn is it to carry Dave around? |
| 15:59.01 | Dave | O_o |
| 15:59.11 | Dave | hvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? |
| 15:59.32 | sicu | heh ... misread SpeedEvil's comment there :p |
| 15:59.57 | sicu | thought i pictured you as a toy dog in a little bag :p |
| 16:00.11 | sicu | s/i/he/ |
| 16:00.35 | Dave | -_- |
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| 16:13.07 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, what's the name of the new wifi driver's module? |
| 16:13.47 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, found it: lib/modules/2.6.28-rc4/kernel/drivers/ar6000/ar6000.ko |
| 16:14.04 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: why do you care about it? |
| 16:14.07 | Gnutoo | I thought it was in drivers/net/modules |
| 16:14.29 | Gnutoo | cause I need to load it(or reboot) |
| 16:16.20 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 16:16.23 | jonkristian | Dave: What's up? |
| 16:16.41 | jonkristian | Anything new on the farm |
| 16:16.53 | Dave | :D |
| 16:17.05 | Dave | No not much new |
| 16:17.10 | Dave | just friends :] |
| 16:17.54 | jonkristian | :) |
| 16:18.19 | jonkristian | Haven't been playing with my fr for something that seems like ages |
| 16:19.03 | Gnutoo | strange it seems that only the NOR bootloader works(not QI) |
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| 16:21.25 | quatrox|neo1 | Gnutoo: how is that? |
| 16:21.41 | Gnutoo | don't know |
| 16:21.48 | Gnutoo | the reason why |
| 16:22.10 | quatrox|neo1 | define not working |
| 16:22.19 | henk | Gnutoo: with what? |
| 16:22.21 | Dave | jonkristian, me too :P |
| 16:22.45 | Gnutoo | sh-unstable and the last rev of the 2.6.28 kernel |
| 16:22.58 | Gnutoo | for the kenrel I bitbaked it |
| 16:23.07 | quatrox|neo1 | and what happens when you try with Qi? |
| 16:23.24 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: Qi can't not work! It's bugfree! ;) |
| 16:23.32 | Gnutoo | lol |
| 16:23.47 | quatrox|neo1 | is the red light flashing? |
| 16:24.00 | Gnutoo | quatrox|neo1, black screen...then a screen with light but nothing on it |
| 16:24.06 | Gnutoo | I'm booting from flash |
| 16:24.06 | quatrox|neo1 | ahh |
| 16:24.14 | quatrox|neo1 | then wait 3 minutes |
| 16:24.19 | quatrox|neo1 | and you see X |
| 16:24.23 | Dave | quatrox quatrox quatrox |
| 16:24.39 | Gnutoo | nooo!!! no more wifi |
| 16:24.40 | quatrox|neo1 | Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave |
| 16:24.44 | jonkristian | So guys, what's new and cool these days? distro-wise... |
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| 16:24.46 | Dave | :D |
| 16:24.52 | Dave | SHR SHR SHR |
| 16:25.08 | Tm_T | WM WM WM |
| 16:25.12 | jonkristian | Dave: i think i still have shr on this thing, firing up now:) |
| 16:25.19 | quatrox|neo1 | Ssshhhhhhhhhhhr |
| 16:25.24 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, I have ar6000 128740 0 in lsmod but ifconfig -a does only give lo and usb0 |
| 16:25.56 | quatrox|neo1 | Gnutoo: try to reboot |
| 16:26.03 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: does /sys/bus/platform/devices have sdi? |
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| 16:26.07 | Gnutoo | I'll try wmiconfig |
| 16:26.14 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: no |
| 16:26.30 | Gnutoo | no sdi |
| 16:26.34 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: Do you have s3c2440-sdi? Can it be you've compiled it as a module? |
| 16:26.51 | Dave | :DDDDDDDD |
| 16:27.13 | Gnutoo | s3c2440-sdi |
| 16:27.19 | Gnutoo | yes I have it |
| 16:28.23 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: loaded? |
| 16:28.30 | F4t | did anyone manage to connect wifi on the android? |
| 16:29.05 | F4t | i can accept that he cant find networks or something, but when i do add a network i dont think "unable to save network" helps it work better....? |
| 16:29.23 | F4t | anyone solved such a problem? |
| 16:29.26 | Gnutoo | root@om-gta02 ~ $ modprobe s3c2440-sdi FATAL: Module s3c2440_sdi not found. |
| 16:31.46 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, ^^^ I must go soon(and must connect the openmoko to my wifi for testing) |
| 16:32.09 | Dave | :D |
| 16:32.14 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, mabe it's inside the kernel not as a module |
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| 16:35.35 | Raazeer | hi all |
| 16:35.45 | jonkristian | what's dfu download error -71 |
| 16:35.57 | gfather | when i get a call i can answer and every thing , but i dont hear anything or the other end |
| 16:36.13 | Raazeer | Can the openmoko act as a usb serial device with the 2008.12 firmware? |
| 16:37.49 | lindi- | Raazeer: that's up to the kernel |
| 16:37.58 | Gnutoo | anyone? ...I realy must go... |
| 16:38.10 | vininim_ | are there any linux-header from andy-tracking? |
| 16:38.33 | vininim_ | *in non-ipkg form |
| 16:38.44 | Raazeer | lindi: so it's theoretically possible to deactivate the g-ether driver and load an usbserial driver instead? |
| 16:38.45 | lindi- | Raazeer: i think you need CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m |
| 16:38.58 | lindi- | vininim_: in what form? |
| 16:39.05 | Raazeer | lindi: so i need a custom kernel? |
| 16:39.09 | lindi- | Raazeer: should be |
| 16:39.17 | lindi- | Raazeer: does your kernel have that already? |
| 16:39.18 | vininim_ | lindi-: a tar would suffice |
| 16:39.26 | lindi- | vininim_: why not fetch it from git? |
| 16:39.34 | Raazeer | lindi: it's the standard kernel |
| 16:39.58 | jonkristian | phew, wrong cable, apparently it's quite picky regarding the usb cable. |
| 16:40.19 | vininim_ | lindi-: as in, sanitized linux headers =P but I guess any 2.6.28 would work |
| 16:40.22 | lindi- | Raazeer: can't you check it? |
| 16:40.37 | Raazeer | lindi: provided you tell me how to check the config of a ready |
| 16:40.44 | Raazeer | lindi: made kernel |
| 16:40.51 | lindi- | Raazeer: /proc/config.gz? |
| 16:41.20 | Raazeer | lindi: will check, back in five |
| 16:41.45 | Gnutoo | ok I go...i'll be back in one hour |
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| 16:44.40 | Raazeer | lindi: it is set the way you told me |
| 16:44.51 | Raazeer | lindi: how can I use it? |
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| 16:45.29 | vininim_ | lindi-: nevermind it seems recent kernel makefiles have a target for that |
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| 16:47.36 | Raazeer | lindi-: can I just modprobe it in? |
| 16:47.44 | gfather | guys anyone knows where to download the 2007.2 image? |
| 16:48.27 | gfather | for gta2 |
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| 16:56.52 | lindi- | Raazeer: so i think |
| 16:57.30 | sicu | gfather: not sure where to get them anymore |
| 16:57.32 | Raazeer | lindi-: what should be the module's name and arguments? |
| 16:57.46 | gfather | <sicu :( |
| 16:57.54 | sicu | gfather: though you could try here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ or http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ |
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| 16:58.28 | lindi- | Raazeer: can't remember |
| 16:58.45 | lindi- | Raazeer: how many have serial in their name? |
| 16:58.45 | gfather | <sicu yes i was cheking them |
| 16:58.59 | gfather | secound link dont have any for gta2 |
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| 16:59.40 | gfather | <sicu> Openmoko-scaredycat whats the image? |
| 17:00.04 | soul9 | anyone here who knows qi a bit? |
| 17:00.04 | Raazeer | lindi-: I guess it will have to get the name of the file to connect to as an argument? |
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| 17:00.23 | soul9 | i need to boot off my usd card, and don't really understand how it is supposed to work.. :-/ |
| 17:00.30 | lindi- | Raazeer: have you read the source? ;) |
| 17:01.13 | Raazeer | lindi-: what, all of it? |
| 17:01.28 | lindi- | Raazeer: grep MODULE_PARAM ./drivers/usb/gadget/serial.c |
| 17:01.33 | lindi- | Raazeer: grep MODULE_PARM ./drivers/usb/gadget/serial.c |
| 17:01.40 | Raazeer | lindi-: but I guess that's what I will do. |
| 17:01.45 | lindi- | Raazeer: shows three options, none are needed for this i think |
| 17:02.07 | lindi- | Raazeer: 1) MODULE_PARM_DESC(use_acm, "Use CDC ACM, default=yes"); 2) MODULE_PARM_DESC(use_obex, "Use CDC OBEX, default=no"); 3) MODULE_PARM_DESC(n_ports, "number of ports to create, default=1"); |
| 17:02.24 | Raazeer | lindi-: ok, thanks. |
| 17:02.26 | TeLLuS | would like a new version of midori in the repootory |
| 17:02.57 | Raazeer | lindi-: I guess that means it can't export a specific file over usbserial |
| 17:03.03 | lindi- | Raazeer: file? |
| 17:03.03 | sicu | gfather: http://blog.automated.it/category/openmoko/ |
| 17:03.16 | gfather | thanks |
| 17:03.27 | Raazeer | lindi-: like /dev/ttySAC1 for example... |
| 17:03.47 | lindi- | Raazeer: it's up to udev to give it a name |
| 17:03.48 | Raazeer | lindi-: ;) |
| 17:03.56 | lindi- | Raazeer: ttySAC1 is already in use |
| 17:04.20 | Raazeer | lindi-: what I want to do is export the nmea chip over usb serial |
| 17:04.39 | lindi- | Raazeer: you need a program that copies data from ttySAC1 to the serial gadget then |
| 17:04.42 | sicu | gfather: but 2007.2 is discontinued |
| 17:04.52 | Raazeer | lindi-: exactly. |
| 17:04.59 | lindi- | Raazeer: do you have some specific reason to do this with serial gadget and not usb networking? |
| 17:05.11 | Raazeer | lindi-: I'll go search for one. |
| 17:05.21 | gfather | <sicu> i just cant get an image working basic functions :) , but im not whining :) |
| 17:05.36 | Raazeer | lindi-: Just for the taste of it. |
| 17:05.40 | lindi- | Raazeer: ok |
| 17:06.09 | Raazeer | lindi-: provided I had a system that wouldn't support usb ethernet |
| 17:06.22 | Raazeer | lindi-: it would be helpful. |
| 17:07.03 | soul9 | gfather: might have luck with android. seems everything is working very nicely except some SIM/networks and wi-fi |
| 17:07.23 | gfather | <soul9 my sim dont work with it :) |
| 17:07.50 | soul9 | :-) |
| 17:07.52 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: can't you ask someone from OM? |
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| 17:08.03 | quatrox|neo1 | they should have |
| 17:08.07 | soul9 | gfather: hackable:1? |
| 17:08.10 | gfather | <soul9 i dont ask much , i just want image has calls , wifi , and bluetooth :) |
| 17:08.13 | Raazeer | lindi-: ok, thx for your help. |
| 17:08.38 | gfather | <soul9 didnt try hackable 1 , do u recomend ? |
| 17:08.51 | soul9 | gfather: that is much. you knew what you'd get with om. developer phone |
| 17:09.02 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: OM2007.2 was not stable at all |
| 17:09.28 | quatrox|neo1 | OM2007.8.8 was much better |
| 17:09.29 | vininim_ | gfather: last time I tried hackable:1 was less functional than plain debian |
| 17:09.37 | gfather | :) |
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| 17:09.48 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: but they are very outdated |
| 17:09.53 | vininim_ | don't know as of now(1 month has passed) |
| 17:10.27 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: since you liked OM2007.x, there is a good chance you will like SHR |
| 17:10.44 | gfather | then ill use om2008.12 @ least i can make calls :) |
| 17:10.45 | quatrox|neo1 | not perfect stable yet |
| 17:10.47 | soul9 | shr is pretty good and stable |
| 17:10.59 | gfather | shr wasent stable with me : \) |
| 17:11.17 | vininim_ | shr and last om were the ones that work most for me |
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| 17:11.53 | vininim_ | is using om 2008.12 (with lots of caveats) as daily phone |
| 17:12.21 | sicu | shr (dec19 or dec24) works fine |
| 17:12.44 | quatrox|neo1 | is verry happily using SHR |
| 17:13.04 | gfather | ok , ill give shr a try now |
| 17:13.29 | sicu | quatrox: using latest? |
| 17:13.52 | quatrox|neo1 | no... it is around 3 days old |
| 17:14.21 | quatrox|neo1 | maybe it is latest from shr-project....didn't check |
| 17:14.21 | sicu | gfather: but there's no bidi as you probably already know |
| 17:15.11 | gfather | yes , the only bidi test that worked is on om2008.x |
| 17:15.38 | gfather | so i want to have basic function image on nand , and the om 2008.x for me to localize |
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| 17:16.09 | sicu | i think there are still issues with latest shr regarding E eating cpu and illume dict |
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| 17:18.21 | soul9 | anyone know how to make qi boot from fat on mmcblk0p1? |
| 17:18.32 | gfather | <sicu> http://build.shr-project.org/ i dont see stable |
| 17:18.37 | gfather | wich one are you using |
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| 17:22.06 | quatrox|neo1 | sicu, gfather: illume-shr used 9 times more CPU than illume last time I checked |
| 17:22.28 | gfather | then ill not use any image :) |
| 17:22.40 | gfather | looool |
| 17:23.04 | quatrox|neo1 | gfather: shr comes with both... it is themes |
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| 17:23.23 | quatrox|neo1 | you choose during the first boot setup |
| 17:23.35 | quatrox|neo1 | :) |
| 17:23.37 | sicu | gfather: and there is no stable yet, as SHR is not yet released |
| 17:24.04 | quatrox|neo1 | but unstable will soon be moved to stable |
| 17:24.51 | gfather | as i said , im not whining :) ., i think we will have great releases in 3 to 6 months |
| 17:25.03 | quatrox|neo1 | yeah |
| 17:25.06 | sicu | yeh =] |
| 17:25.08 | gfather | :D |
| 17:25.18 | gfather | and ill have localization ready ;) |
| 17:25.33 | gfather | ill just put om2008.x on nand to localize |
| 17:25.43 | sicu | really? did you get someone working on it for E ? |
| 17:25.53 | sicu | ahh ... gotcha |
| 17:25.53 | gfather | and put android on sim , maybe start localizing that too |
| 17:26.05 | quatrox|neo1 | sicu: did you manage to play ogg vorbis without using 110% cpu? |
| 17:26.16 | gfather | and put android on sd |
| 17:26.29 | gfather | <sicu> nah not on e |
| 17:26.40 | gfather | in fso i couldent |
| 17:26.55 | gfather | but in om i can , i think becouse it uses gtk+ wich support bidi |
| 17:27.13 | sicu | quatrox|neo1: unfortunately, no |
| 17:27.24 | quatrox|neo1 | I tried with mplayer (both alsa and oss) but it is not possible to just play a song without mplayer skipping 10%.... and the phone is not doing anything else |
| 17:27.42 | quatrox|neo1 | but I read that some people have no problem with oss |
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| 17:27.48 | quatrox|neo1 | only with alsa |
| 17:28.01 | quatrox|neo1 | in om2008.x |
| 17:28.17 | quatrox|neo1 | or debian |
| 17:28.22 | quatrox|neo1 | don't remember |
| 17:28.55 | quatrox|neo1 | I need to reencode from Q10 to Q1 |
| 17:30.20 | quatrox|neo1 | wonders what can be so different in the other distro |
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| 17:32.26 | hajmola | can anyone point me on how to change themes in 2008.12? |
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| 17:34.07 | hajmola | change to illume |
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| 17:34.41 | brian__ | http://dl.linuxphone.ru/openmoko/repository/gnome-mplayer/ |
| 17:36.26 | th0br0 | hajmola, edit /etc/enlightenment/default_profile |
| 17:36.28 | th0br0 | and change asu to illume |
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| 17:36.47 | th0br0 | umm... what format does the ringtone have to be? |
| 17:36.57 | th0br0 | or rather which formats can SHR playback as ringtone? |
| 17:37.11 | quatrox|neo1 | not ogg vorbis |
| 17:37.16 | quatrox|neo1 | :) |
| 17:37.18 | quatrox|neo1 | not for me |
| 17:37.29 | quatrox|neo1 | :( |
| 17:37.38 | th0br0 | :( |
| 17:37.43 | th0br0 | so only that sid one? |
| 17:37.52 | quatrox|neo1 | maybe also wav |
| 17:37.53 | th0br0 | or mp3 or wav? |
| 17:38.00 | th0br0 | ok |
| 17:38.06 | quatrox|neo1 | not mp3 |
| 17:38.11 | quatrox|neo1 | I think not |
| 17:38.35 | th0br0 | ok... mmh... i need a short one... as i don't want to have to wait 16s till I can finally talk :S |
| 17:38.39 | th0br0 | or is there some way of avoiding this? |
| 17:38.46 | quatrox|neo1 | OM was affraid for sisvel, so mp3's should not be supported |
| 17:39.03 | th0br0 | yeah |
| 17:39.06 | th0br0 | that#s true. |
| 17:39.11 | th0br0 | i read about that stuff back in november :D |
| 17:39.15 | quatrox|neo1 | yes there is |
| 17:39.23 | quatrox|neo1 | you can define a max time |
| 17:39.23 | Digital_Pioneer | My FR has SHR, plays OGG just fffffffffffffffffffffffffine. |
| 17:39.25 | th0br0 | how? tell me :) |
| 17:39.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Err, sorry, I didn't type all those f's. |
| 17:39.45 | hajmola | i can't ssh into the phone, I set usb0 to be 192.168.0.200 |
| 17:39.51 | hajmola | i get no route to host |
| 17:40.03 | th0br0 | hajmola, did you follow the instructions on the wiki? |
| 17:40.06 | Digital_Pioneer | hajmola: I believe the phone is usually at 202.... |
| 17:40.20 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo1, but that max time only defines how long it does play back the ringtone, right? |
| 17:40.28 | hajmola | Digital_Pioneer, I know that, isn't usb0 supposed to be 200? |
| 17:40.38 | quatrox|neo1 | I would also like to know how to play a high quality vorbis file with less than 100% cpu load |
| 17:40.44 | Digital_Pioneer | hajmola: On the phone or host? |
| 17:40.48 | th0br0 | local usb0 is supposed to be 200; phone 202 |
| 17:40.50 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: have you tried tremor? |
| 17:41.05 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: no |
| 17:41.09 | quatrox|neo1 | it is max time |
| 17:41.11 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: and can you give me an example file? |
| 17:41.12 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: What's tremor? |
| 17:41.29 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: I only got vorbis and I have tried many times |
| 17:41.33 | quatrox|neo1 | last time today |
| 17:41.35 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: integer-only ogg vorbis decoder |
| 17:41.58 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: some example file with that quality would be nice to have |
| 17:42.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Decoder as in player, or as in mplayer codec?... |
| 17:42.14 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
| 17:42.17 | quatrox|neo1 | one sec |
| 17:42.19 | th0br0 | mmh... quatrox|neo1 so... max-length --> where to define and what exactly does it do? |
| 17:42.24 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: it's a library |
| 17:42.28 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: i am not sure if mplayer uses it |
| 17:42.38 | Digital_Pioneer | KO. |
| 17:42.40 | Digital_Pioneer | *OK |
| 17:43.29 | th0br0 | btw, the information on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Customize regarding the sound control is not correct |
| 17:43.34 | th0br0 | we got a mixer now |
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| 17:46.06 | Gnutoo | I'm back...and sorry I was in a hurry before |
| 17:46.35 | brian__ | android flash:) |
| 17:46.53 | brian__ | prolly wont take 10 minuits |
| 17:48.12 | quatrox|neo1 | th0br0: max length was introduced because sid files does not have any lenght |
| 17:48.19 | th0br0 | yeah |
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| 17:48.46 | quatrox|neo1 | so after a given time, the file will not be played anymore |
| 17:48.53 | th0br0 | it's ring-length thoug |
| 17:49.03 | quatrox|neo1 | should also work for other files |
| 17:49.10 | quatrox|neo1 | ahh |
| 17:49.12 | quatrox|neo1 | true |
| 17:49.17 | th0br0 | ok. after changing the config, what do I have to restart to use the new one? |
| 17:49.35 | quatrox|neo1 | fso? |
| 17:49.44 | th0br0 | ok |
| 17:49.49 | th0br0 | good idea ;) |
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| 17:50.15 | hajmola | i can't ping my neo! I was able to do it yesterday, but when I reflashed with 2008.12 it won't work |
| 17:50.23 | hajmola | tried "the short way" on the wiki |
| 17:50.35 | th0br0 | ah |
| 17:50.38 | th0br0 | reboot with usb plugged in |
| 17:50.41 | th0br0 | then it should work |
| 17:50.43 | th0br0 | or open terminal and type |
| 17:50.47 | th0br0 | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:50.49 | brian__ | have u rebooted at least 1 time? |
| 17:50.58 | th0br0 | with usb plugged in |
| 17:50.58 | hajmola | tried networking restart, but I'll try rebooting |
| 17:51.10 | hajmola | ok, thanks... i'll be back if I have any more issues :) |
| 17:51.34 | brian__ | why does it need to be plugged in? |
| 17:52.08 | th0br0 | umm... otherwise the interface is not started iirc |
| 17:52.13 | th0br0 | although that is only for the first-time boot cases. |
| 17:52.19 | th0br0 | quatrox|neo1, wavs work fine. |
| 17:52.20 | brian__ | ok |
| 17:52.24 | brian__ | ic |
| 17:53.13 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, QI works...i wasn't patient enough |
| 17:53.19 | Gnutoo | sorry |
| 17:53.57 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: http://om.quatrox.org/02.ogg |
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| 17:55.14 | hajmola | th0br0, still getting "no route to host" |
| 17:55.43 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: it plays well the first few seconds, then it gets problems... like the memory gets full or something |
| 17:56.52 | th0br0 | hajmola, I guess your local computer is not set up properly |
| 17:57.00 | quatrox|neo1 | same with 01.ogg |
| 17:57.13 | hajmola | th0br0, that's weird, I was ssh'ing into it yesterday |
| 17:57.23 | hajmola | i guess i'll try another computer |
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| 17:57.52 | Gnutoo | hello,I've cross-compiled the last 2.6.28 kernel...the wifi driver is loaded but iwconfig doesn't see any wifi interface...what should I do? |
| 17:58.24 | quatrox|neo1 | do you need some firmware? |
| 17:59.36 | quatrox|neo1 | ifconfig -a does not show eth0??? |
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| 18:00.11 | root_at | i have the same problem here with shr unstable |
| 18:01.13 | Gnutoo | quatrox|neo1, no |
| 18:01.28 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: ;) |
| 18:01.34 | Gnutoo | quatrox|neo1, mabe it's the interface the wifi is connected too that is not loaded? |
| 18:01.40 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: can you show me dmesg? |
| 18:01.59 | Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot...i'll pastebin it at once |
| 18:03.06 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, http://rafb.net/p/cphuW623.html |
| 18:05.23 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: cd /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi |
| 18:05.32 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: echo s3c2440-sdi > bind |
| 18:05.55 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: or smth like that |
| 18:06.16 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: i'm soldering my FR atm, can't say for sure ;) |
| 18:06.18 | Gnutoo | ok i'll use the find command thanks a lot |
| 18:06.31 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: find /sys -name \*sdi\* |
| 18:07.01 | PaulFertser | I think it's s3c2410-sdi |
| 18:07.21 | Gnutoo | ./devices/platform/s3c2440-sdi |
| 18:08.29 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: it's there /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi |
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| 18:08.36 | quatrox|neo1 | 2440.... |
| 18:08.38 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm |
| 18:08.40 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot |
| 18:09.14 | soul9 | i have my kernel on /dev/mmcblk0p1 in /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, have the boot/append-GTA02 file with proper root= setting, but qi won't boot from the sd, what could be the problem? |
| 18:09.15 | Gnutoo | it's not present at /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi... |
| 18:10.05 | quatrox|neo1 | soul9: distro? |
| 18:10.10 | soul9 | Gnutoo: wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan enable? |
| 18:10.10 | th0br0 | bye; off to some party |
| 18:10.20 | soul9 | quatrox|neo1: hackable:1 |
| 18:10.26 | soul9 | why should that matter? |
| 18:10.39 | quatrox|neo1 | if it is SHR, you do not need to specify root |
| 18:10.53 | soul9 | i have set the loglevel, but no kernel messages appear |
| 18:11.05 | quatrox|neo1 | ahh |
| 18:11.26 | quatrox|neo1 | what is your setup? |
| 18:11.28 | soul9 | my default is booted from nand |
| 18:11.46 | soul9 | one big 8gig part on the usd, with the kernel in /boot |
| 18:11.54 | soul9 | (ext2 partition) |
| 18:12.18 | Gnutoo | soul9, wmiconfig: eth0: No such device |
| 18:12.25 | soul9 | :-/ |
| 18:13.17 | quatrox|neo1 | soul9 I guess you don't have the correct symlink to the kernel |
| 18:13.23 | soul9 | symlink? |
| 18:13.26 | soul9 | i have no symlink |
| 18:13.27 | quatrox|neo1 | or else you should really see something |
| 18:13.35 | quatrox|neo1 | symbolic link |
| 18:13.42 | soul9 | i have the file /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 18:13.46 | soul9 | not a symlink |
| 18:13.51 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
| 18:14.19 | soul9 | i guess i'll try a newer qi then |
| 18:17.12 | soul9 | so maybe it should be a symlink? |
| 18:17.18 | quatrox|neo1 | no |
| 18:17.43 | quatrox|neo1 | I just assumed it was |
| 18:18.35 | quatrox|neo1 | but now I cannot see any reason for not booting |
| 18:19.07 | quatrox|neo1 | so maybe Qi for some reason don't like your kernel and skip it |
| 18:19.15 | quatrox|neo1 | and boots the next one it finds |
| 18:19.50 | quatrox|neo1 | but there it is no append-GTA02 with loglevel=8, so you don't see anything |
| 18:19.59 | quatrox|neo1 | just my wild guess |
| 18:20.17 | quatrox|neo1 | does it make sense? |
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| 18:20.56 | soul9 | there is loglevel=8 |
| 18:21.11 | soul9 | well, how the heck does qi decide wether the kernel is good or not? :-) |
| 18:21.23 | quatrox|neo1 | not sure |
| 18:21.49 | quatrox|neo1 | but if it skips the kernel, it will try to boot from flash |
| 18:22.02 | soul9 | yeah |
| 18:22.15 | quatrox|neo1 | and in the flash, you do not have the loglevel=8? |
| 18:22.22 | soul9 | well,yes, in boot order, first it tries uSD1,usd1...nand |
| 18:22.35 | soul9 | but... |
| 18:22.37 | quatrox|neo1 | so you end up with a blank screen for some minutes |
| 18:22.38 | soul9 | :-( |
| 18:22.46 | quatrox|neo1 | hmm |
| 18:22.50 | quatrox|neo1 | you can check that |
| 18:23.35 | soul9 | i didn't understand the led/vibrate description, so i don't even know what it's doing... |
| 18:23.40 | soul9 | hmmm |
| 18:23.49 | soul9 | i'll try to flash a recent u-boot.. |
| 18:23.58 | quatrox|neo1 | ok |
| 18:24.07 | quatrox|neo1 | did it blink red |
| 18:24.52 | quatrox|neo1 | I think Qi vibrates when it jumps to next partition |
| 18:24.58 | quatrox|neo1 | didn't chech the wiki |
| 18:27.52 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: you can't have loglevel=8 in the flash |
| 18:28.09 | quatrox|neo1 | true |
| 18:28.11 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: only on uSD or by pressing PWR button at right time if your Qi is modern enough. |
| 18:28.35 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: in general, i know Qi "from inside" so i'd like to hear any suggestions how to make wiki page more clear. |
| 18:29.02 | PaulFertser | soul9: How can led/vibrate description be improved? |
| 18:29.09 | soul9 | PaulFertser: am i doing something wrong? |
| 18:29.41 | PaulFertser | soul9: I don't know, i'm a bit busy and think about various other things. Please check the wiki page and if you have any questions about that, ask me. |
| 18:29.49 | soul9 | er, what does "AUX LED is turned on either on" mean? |
| 18:29.51 | soul9 | ok |
| 18:30.07 | soul9 | in particular, what does "either on" mean? |
| 18:30.29 | soul9 | and the same for the other points. |
| 18:30.43 | soul9 | PaulFertser: ^^ |
| 18:31.54 | PaulFertser | soul9: either on: it will be turned on after any of the following events |
| 18:32.06 | PaulFertser | soul9: are you a native english speaker? |
| 18:32.57 | PaulFertser | If yes, then please correct the wording, if not, let's wait for someone native. |
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| 18:33.14 | soul9 | PaulFertser: yes |
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| 18:33.33 | soul9 | PaulFertser: please explain, then i can maybe come up with something. |
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| 18:34.00 | PaulFertser | soul9: either on: it will be turned on after any of the following events |
| 18:34.01 | quatrox|neo1 | "on again"? |
| 18:34.13 | soul9 | oh i see |
| 18:34.29 | PaulFertser | Did i use a wrong word/grammar? |
| 18:34.29 | soul9 | so: each of these events will trigger a led blink: |
| 18:34.31 | soul9 | maybe? |
| 18:34.33 | PaulFertser | No@! |
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| 18:34.38 | soul9 | very, yes |
| 18:34.40 | soul9 | oh |
| 18:35.04 | PaulFertser | Each of this events will lead to turning on the led |
| 18:35.23 | soul9 | ok |
| 18:35.37 | soul9 | so the led blinks only once |
| 18:35.47 | soul9 | yes, that's the correct sentence, then. |
| 18:38.10 | soul9 | i get one vibrate and one blink |
| 18:38.17 | soul9 | that means something fails |
| 18:38.32 | soul9 | ok, so sd boot fails, but why |
| 18:38.56 | soul9 | PaulFertser: now i understand the wiki description, i think. thanks |
| 18:38.58 | PaulFertser | either you don't have a /boot/ directory on the first primary partition |
| 18:39.12 | soul9 | i do. |
| 18:39.14 | PaulFertser | soul9: or you don't have uImage-GTA02.bin there |
| 18:39.21 | PaulFertser | soul9: or it's not ext2/ext3 |
| 18:39.27 | soul9 | it doesn't need to be a symlink, right? |
| 18:39.34 | soul9 | because the kernel is there :-( |
| 18:39.37 | PaulFertser | It can be symlink, can be a file |
| 18:40.05 | soul9 | damn, beats me, then :-( |
| 18:40.09 | PaulFertser | Are you sure that partition is marked as ext2/ext3 whereever appropriate? |
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| 18:40.31 | soul9 | well, fdisk creates linux type partitions by default |
| 18:40.35 | soul9 | i didn't change the type |
| 18:40.40 | soul9 | ok, i'll chack that |
| 18:40.47 | soul9 | thanks for the tip (from an insider :-) |
| 18:40.52 | soul9 | check* |
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| 18:42.00 | PaulFertser | soul9: so, basically your description is: you have an uSD card inserted, the first primary partition is ext3, the kernel is in the /boot/ directory (the root is relative to the partition itself!) and is of right type and filename. You don't have /boot/noboot-GTA02 file there. But still you feel a vibe when you try to boot. |
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| 18:42.48 | soul9 | ext2 |
| 18:42.51 | soul9 | but the rest is yes |
| 18:42.56 | soul9 | with todays qi image |
| 18:42.58 | PaulFertser | Should be ok with modern enough Qi. |
| 18:43.06 | soul9 | i'm checking the part. type right now.. |
| 18:43.26 | PaulFertser | And you don't have a debug board, yes :( |
| 18:43.51 | soul9 | yes :-( |
| 18:44.07 | PaulFertser | Are you preparing the uSD on your GNU/Linux PC? |
| 18:44.16 | soul9 | the type displayed is Linux |
| 18:44.17 | soul9 | yes |
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| 18:44.27 | soul9 | yes, i have the usd in an sd adapter |
| 18:44.32 | quatrox|neo1 | soul9: do you have a strange partition table? |
| 18:44.35 | soul9 | using fdisk to partition |
| 18:44.36 | soul9 | no |
| 18:44.45 | soul9 | one big 8G ext2 partition |
| 18:44.55 | soul9 | primary |
| 18:44.55 | PaulFertser | soul9: if you boot from NAND, does FR see your card ok? |
| 18:45.00 | quatrox|neo1 | primary partition? |
| 18:45.01 | soul9 | yes |
| 18:45.26 | soul9 | PaulFertser: i think so, yes |
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| 18:45.46 | quatrox|neo1 | take a checksum of the kernel image on then card |
| 18:46.01 | quatrox|neo1 | md5sum |
| 18:46.09 | doc|home | hmmm, so, the alarm not making a sound is something for the shr "issues" list |
| 18:46.12 | soul9 | it's from a .gz, .gz detects corruption |
| 18:46.13 | quatrox|neo1 | maybe , maybe |
| 18:46.13 | doc|home | backups++ |
| 18:46.32 | PaulFertser | soul9: Is it uImage or zImage? |
| 18:46.47 | soul9 | errr, how would i check? file? |
| 18:46.56 | PaulFertser | Where did you get it from? |
| 18:47.22 | soul9 | uImage.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image |
| 18:47.34 | quatrox|neo1 | uImage is usually a binary |
| 18:47.34 | soul9 | http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Downloads |
| 18:47.51 | PaulFertser | soul9: i guess you have uImage and that's ok... |
| 18:47.52 | soul9 | it's in the http://download.hackable1.org/h1-fat_partition.tgz tarball |
| 18:48.04 | PaulFertser | soul9: Is your uSD card crappy? ;) |
| 18:48.05 | quatrox|neo1 | soul9: file boot/uImage* |
| 18:48.16 | soul9 | PaulFertser: :-( no |
| 18:48.21 | soul9 | sandisk |
| 18:48.43 | quatrox|neo1 | take "file " on the file |
| 18:48.56 | soul9 | quatrox|neo1: i pasted already that |
| 18:48.59 | quatrox|neo1 | should be detected as an uImage |
| 18:49.08 | quatrox|neo1 | ihh |
| 18:49.11 | soul9 | 19:47 soul9: uImage.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image |
| 18:49.22 | PaulFertser | soul9: I had exactly the same symptoms as you until i added some additional strategically placed udelay. It was a hell to debug without a dboard :-/ |
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| 18:49.42 | soul9 | udelay? |
| 18:49.45 | soul9 | in qi code? |
| 18:49.50 | PaulFertser | soul9: yes |
| 18:49.56 | soul9 | damn |
| 18:50.07 | PaulFertser | soul9: i can compile a version for you, no problem. |
| 18:50.20 | soul9 | sucks, i don't even think someone else in my twon has moko+debugboard |
| 18:50.21 | PaulFertser | soul9: i doubt it would help though. BTW, is your SIM in? |
| 18:50.30 | soul9 | yes |
| 18:50.47 | PaulFertser | I had some uSD card connectivity problems without SIM inserted. |
| 18:50.56 | soul9 | i see.. |
| 18:51.25 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: seems to play fine with mplayer from debian |
| 18:51.28 | soul9 | i think i might have had the sim out a few times, but now it's in and still nothing :-( |
| 18:51.32 | PaulFertser | soul9: do you have any other uSD card handy? 512Mb that was given to some as a gift from OM? |
| 18:51.43 | soul9 | yes |
| 18:51.54 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: cpu usage is 48% |
| 18:51.59 | Digital_Pioneer | What's this? An ophonekitd replacement? What do I get or lose by using it? |
| 18:52.00 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: wow |
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| 18:52.08 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: but it prints 'Ogg : Page out not synced, we skip some bytes' |
| 18:52.10 | quatrox|neo1 | thank you very much for testing |
| 18:52.17 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: and 'Ogg : bad packet in stream 0' |
| 18:52.30 | quatrox|neo1 | here it skips 3 seconds at a time |
| 18:52.33 | soul9 | PaulFertser: should i try with that? |
| 18:52.35 | PaulFertser | soul9: why don't you try to make a /boot directory there and try to boot. At least if you don't feel any vibes, you'll know that the kernel is read ok. |
| 18:52.42 | soul9 | ok |
| 18:52.52 | PaulFertser | And that your preparation procedure is correct. |
| 18:52.58 | soul9 | yea |
| 18:52.59 | soul9 | okay |
| 18:53.07 | PaulFertser | soul9: If yes, i'll compile an extended-udelay version for you. |
| 18:54.49 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: I just checked... it uses 75% cpu here |
| 18:55.11 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: same version of mplayer? |
| 18:55.17 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: and gta02? |
| 18:55.28 | centaur5 | Anyone running Android able to tell me if there is a trick to getting GSM to register? |
| 18:55.41 | quatrox|neo1 | and if I type anything in pidgin, the music pauses totally until I am finished. Now I used 20 sec to type this message |
| 18:56.14 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: with virtual keyboard? |
| 18:56.21 | quatrox|neo1 | no |
| 18:56.27 | quatrox|neo1 | bluetooth keyboard |
| 18:56.40 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: but again, what distro is it? |
| 18:56.43 | quatrox|neo1 | and usb network |
| 18:56.50 | quatrox|neo1 | shr-unstable |
| 18:56.56 | Digital_Pioneer | centaur5: From what I understand, if you want a phone, android is not for you. :P |
| 18:56.59 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: you stream audio over usb network? |
| 18:57.22 | quatrox|neo1 | no |
| 18:57.22 | PaulFertser | Hey, can anyone tell me can i somehow use gimp to make these photos of bass-fix rework more useful or should i try something else? https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/bass-fix-mod/ |
| 18:57.24 | quatrox|neo1 | no |
| 18:57.28 | centaur5 | Digital_Pioneer: Okay, I'll take it back off. I read that GSM was supposed to work but perhaps I was wrong. |
| 18:57.52 | Digital_Pioneer | centaur5: It might, but android isn't stable enough for real-world usage yet AFAIK. |
| 18:57.56 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: internet connection via usb |
| 18:58.01 | Digital_Pioneer | centaur5: I use SHR testing without too much trouble. |
| 18:58.01 | quatrox|neo1 | music on sd |
| 18:58.17 | soul9 | PaulFertser: yeap, that's it |
| 18:58.24 | soul9 | with this sd the kernel is booted fine |
| 18:58.51 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: it might also be that bluethooth and pidgin kills the system |
| 18:58.57 | PaulFertser | soul9: and you're pretty sure, that your larger card was prepared in the same way? |
| 18:59.11 | soul9 | i can check :-) |
| 18:59.13 | lindi- | quatrox|neo1: you could play around with renice |
| 18:59.27 | PaulFertser | Hey guys! Aren't you interested at all in fix-no-bass rework?! |
| 18:59.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: the image has not loaded yet |
| 18:59.57 | soul9 | tar czf boot.tar.gz /medi/card/boot && same && diff boot.tar.gz boot2.tar.gz |
| 19:00.00 | lindi- | PaulFertser: will comment when i see it |
| 19:00.21 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Uhh, you want to resize it? :P |
| 19:00.28 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm very bad at taking photos, especially with no conditions and no reasonable camera. |
| 19:00.50 | quatrox|neo1 | lindi-: my files are too big anyway... I just wanted to know if it was different for you. I really should reencode... (didn't know the files where so big before I uploaded them now) |
| 19:01.03 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: in fact, i put the original in the hope that someone more experienced with gimp will prepare a useful version ;) |
| 19:01.13 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i have not seen many photos from inside gta02, that looks nice |
| 19:01.22 | lindi- | PaulFertser: please add raw versions to wiki |
| 19:01.31 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well resizing in GIMP is very easy. |
| 19:02.09 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i think it needs at least somewhite balance level tweaking. ;) |
| 19:02.10 | Digital_Pioneer | scans PaulFertser's fingerprint on SIM holder from picture, runs it through CIA database and starts reading his life story. |
| 19:02.35 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: no way until you have access to KGB database as well ;) |
| 19:03.01 | Digital_Pioneer | sends request, is denied, hacks data out anyways. |
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| 19:03.44 | lindi- | PaulFertser: if you have the case open, please take more photos :) |
| 19:04.03 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i'd love to see everything so clearly that i could identify individual chips |
| 19:04.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Can you give me a suggestion how to do it better with that crappy compact camera? |
| 19:04.36 | lindi- | PaulFertser: your photos is not that bad |
| 19:04.54 | Digital_Pioneer | The colors could use a little adjusting, as you said, but other than that it's not so bad. |
| 19:05.01 | PaulFertser | At least not as bad as my soldering ;) |
| 19:05.21 | soul9 | GOD |
| 19:05.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but sunlight, manual focus instead of automatic and using timer helps |
| 19:05.30 | centaur5 | Digital_Pioneer: Maybe I'll give that a try. Just looking for something new. :) |
| 19:05.35 | soul9 | PaulFertser: sorry for wasting your time, i'm a moron :-( |
| 19:05.56 | Digital_Pioneer | centaur5: Heheh, I know the feeling. :) |
| 19:06.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: kinda hard to get any sunlight at 22:05 :) |
| 19:06.44 | PaulFertser | lindi-: I'll try no to take a better photos, thanks for the feedback. |
| 19:07.08 | PaulFertser | Actually, i can't even check if i get any benefit because i don't have a 2.5mm jack :( |
| 19:07.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: did you add those two pairs of wires? |
| 19:07.17 | PaulFertser | Sure |
| 19:08.29 | PaulFertser | Bass rework. Two 100uF tantalum caps near BT module outside the can to lower the cut-off frequency. 1uF (preinstalled) is really not enough for a decoupling cap for 33Ohm headsets. |
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| 19:09.10 | PaulFertser | soul9: why's that? |
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| 19:11.39 | soul9 | PaulFertser: because after i shuffled it around for the 10th time, it now finally booted |
| 19:12.01 | soul9 | i don't exactly know what it was, maybe many factors: sim not in, when it was in the config was bad, etc. |
| 19:12.04 | soul9 | so sorry |
| 19:12.45 | brian__ | android kernel the same as qtextended kernel? |
| 19:14.13 | quatrox|neo1 | soul9: does this mean it is random if you can boot or not? |
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| 19:14.52 | soul9 | not really,it's probably just me. i'll try again.. |
| 19:16.52 | PaulFertser | soul9: Please imrove the wiki page if you have any ideas ;) |
| 19:17.37 | soul9 | ok |
| 19:17.48 | soul9 | ill create an account right now |
| 19:18.10 | PaulFertser | soul9: And what ideas do you have? ;) |
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| 19:19.40 | soul9 | well, fixing the led/vibrate part is the first thing... |
| 19:19.50 | soul9 | completelyuncomprehensible imho... |
| 19:20.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Digital_Pioneer i've copied more photos, those two were made by my father (it's his compat camera), now i tried to do it myself. IMO much better now. |
| 19:21.27 | PaulFertser | soul9: I've just written what the source does ;) I think i'd understand if i see that description. And, btw, mickey said it's ok. |
| 19:21.43 | soul9 | either on? |
| 19:21.47 | soul9 | ok then |
| 19:21.49 | soul9 | :-) |
| 19:21.54 | quatrox|neo1 | I think the wiki it is correct written, but you must think in the correct way when reading it... |
| 19:22.06 | soul9 | other than that it was just me being a moron, i think the wiki is perfectly fine |
| 19:22.31 | PaulFertser | BTW, blue shine is disinformation, it doesn't ever light the blue led. |
| 19:22.46 | soul9 | :-) |
| 19:23.05 | PaulFertser | soul9: if you only knew, how moronic i am. :-/ |
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| 19:23.12 | soul9 | eheh |
| 19:23.21 | soul9 | we're but humans... |
| 19:24.07 | soul9 | well, if the wiki is fine, i'll go now, gtg somewhere...this qi think kept me quite a bit off ;-) |
| 19:24.25 | soul9 | take care |
| 19:24.27 | PaulFertser | wonders whether it's really true that Qi is easier support-wise than u-boot. He tries hard to believe it, but sometimes something happens that he starts to hesitate. ;) |
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| 19:24.57 | soul9 | i think qi is great, can boot all-sized kernels, faster. |
| 19:25.08 | soul9 | the dfu-think doesn't matter as long as i have NOR |
| 19:25.11 | PaulFertser | Thank Andy, it's his child ;) |
| 19:25.13 | soul9 | so it's all win |
| 19:25.18 | soul9 | :-) |
| 19:25.31 | quatrox|neo1 | PaulFertser: is the firmware in the glamo closed source? |
| 19:25.31 | soul9 | right on |
| 19:25.45 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: yes, AFAIK |
| 19:26.13 | quatrox|neo1 | ok:) |
| 19:26.21 | quatrox|neo1 | too bad |
| 19:26.40 | PaulFertser | quatrox|neo1: that's not ok, but life sucks; that's usual. :-/ |
| 19:26.55 | quatrox|neo1 | yeah |
| 19:27.09 | quatrox|neo1 | else we could use it to more general tasks |
| 19:27.20 | VilleWitt | Hi, im new - just got my FR yesterday... |
| 19:27.47 | root_at | VilleWitt: http://wiki.openmoko.org |
| 19:27.58 | VilleWitt | yeah I know... |
| 19:28.32 | root_at | VilleWitt: good : ) do you have any other questions? or what did you want to say? |
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| 19:29.16 | VilleWitt | I'm here to ask if the toolchains will be updated... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 19:30.13 | VilleWitt | It seems like Ubuntu 8.10 has enabled source fortify - which is to blame - and that the solution so far is to cancel that flag... |
| 19:30.35 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: if you're a programmer, please take a look at http://shr-project.org/trac |
| 19:31.07 | VilleWitt | mkay, thx |
| 19:32.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer2: ping |
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| 19:43.26 | VilleWitt | PoulFertser: Nice, just what I was looking for... Will have some bachelor projects for in the near feature - thinking of spending the time on Openmoko... |
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| 19:49.17 | kasjo_screen | zobacz czy telefon wykryje FR bez odpalania tego programu |
| 19:49.30 | kasjo_screen | oops wrong window :) sorry |
| 19:49.35 | VilleWitt | :p |
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| 20:11.48 | VilleWitt | SHR: Select profile: Illume or Illume SHR... The description does not really show they are different... |
| 20:12.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: first side-effect of my rework is found: they do pickup gsm interference upon call initiation. I have no wired handsfree to check how bad it is in a real life, i just hear the interference through the alarm speaker. |
| 20:12.57 | sicu | VilleWitt: the description only differs at the very end |
| 20:13.20 | sicu | just try them out and see which you like |
| 20:14.37 | VilleWitt | sicu: I guess it does not matter - I did go with SHR thou... |
| 20:15.08 | VilleWitt | Anyway, development is fun - i'm not going to be held up by such a choice |
| 20:15.38 | sicu | =p |
| 20:16.28 | VilleWitt | sicu: Do you know whether or not somebody did get WPA2 Enterprise to work(GUI or otherwise) |
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| 20:19.25 | sicu | VilleWitt: worked fine for me a few weeks ago using mofi |
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| 20:20.16 | sicu | though i only tried it once, my FR is constantly connected to USB these days, so havn't had the need to try it again |
| 20:21.01 | VilleWitt | k |
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| 20:28.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: OTOH i think that can be easily mitigated with a piece of paper-aluminium foil. |
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| 20:29.15 | Kagee | How can i find out what python modules package python-* includes whn installed via opkg? |
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| 20:38.58 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07qtopia0710muxd * r0479b31ea62c 10/README: more detailed readme |
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| 20:42.48 | VilleWitt | 255.255.255.255: How nice it is for a phone to be able to opkg upgrade ... |
| 20:43.34 | VilleWitt | smiles at his phone while it is reborn |
| 20:44.09 | sicu | Kagee: not sure, but try adding -test to your opkg install |
| 20:44.59 | sicu | or some other flag, --help |
| 20:45.35 | Kagee | it is -test, right, not --test ? |
| 20:46.24 | sicu | -test, yes, iirc |
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| 20:46.37 | Kagee | iirc :-? |
| 20:47.11 | sicu | If I Recall/Remember Correctly |
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| 20:48.39 | Kagee | Can i browse opkg-packages in some kind of http-interface? something like packages.ubuntu.com ? |
| 20:49.57 | VilleWitt | does not know of such a service... |
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| 21:40.09 | Kagee | I think python2.6 is installed on my FSO-image (Package libpython2.6-1.0 (2.6.1-ml0) installed in root is up to date.) but i cant seen to access it. What is wrong? |
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| 21:48.56 | Kagee | anyone? |
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| 21:49.42 | badcloud_ | kagee? |
| 21:50.00 | Kagee | hmm |
| 21:50.08 | badcloud_ | what's the prob? |
| 21:50.09 | Kagee | I think python2.6 is installed on my FSO-image (Package libpython2.6-1.0 (2.6.1-ml0) installed in root is up to date.) but i cant seen to access it. What is wrong? |
| 21:50.30 | Kagee | that's the prob |
| 21:50.38 | badcloud_ | I think you need a desktop file |
| 21:50.49 | badcloud_ | referring to python |
| 21:50.58 | Kagee | i working in shell |
| 21:50.59 | badcloud_ | have you checked /bin and /sbin? |
| 21:51.03 | badcloud_ | oh, ok |
| 21:51.06 | badcloud_ | so I got nothing |
| 21:51.47 | badcloud_ | anyone know if this will work with the FR? http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/2-5mm-male-to-3-5mm-female-earphone-jack-adapter.html |
| 21:51.58 | Kagee | /usr/bin has python and python2.5, but no python2.6 |
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| 21:52.11 | badcloud_ | hmmm |
| 21:53.16 | badcloud_ | sorry, I got nothing that might help |
| 21:53.43 | bernt | badcloud_: you should use an adapter with a four ring plug ... |
| 21:55.14 | badcloud_ | crAP |
| 21:55.24 | badcloud_ | it said it is compat. with the E398 |
| 21:55.49 | bernt | yes the FR is a phone not an ipod ;-) |
| 21:57.19 | bernt | I think you have to build the adapter yourself. |
| 21:57.57 | PaulFertser | Kagee: probably ask about python on #openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:58.12 | badcloud_ | http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/p/moMPx200_SKN6183_7 |
| 21:58.19 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: You can take a nokia stereo headset and rewire it easily. |
| 21:58.25 | badcloud_ | not necessarily |
| 21:58.34 | badcloud_ | I mean, I think you can buy them too |
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| 22:00.03 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: do you know the FR's jack pinout? |
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| 22:00.13 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: if not, search the wiki ;) |
| 22:00.17 | badcloud_ | not by heart, n |
| 22:00.18 | badcloud_ | o |
| 22:00.22 | badcloud_ | 4 rings |
| 22:00.30 | badcloud_ | mic, L, R, ground |
| 22:01.14 | bernt | badcloud_: this adapter looks better, but I think that the 3.5 female also has 4 rings ... |
| 22:01.30 | badcloud_ | crap |
| 22:02.08 | badcloud_ | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Vh4MUp |
| 22:02.14 | bernt | but you can buy both adapters and make your special adapter ... |
| 22:02.33 | badcloud_ | I'm not too handy with those things |
| 22:02.50 | badcloud_ | I'm just your naive/daredevil primary phone users |
| 22:03.00 | badcloud_ | no 's' |
| 22:04.01 | bernt | it not so difficult as soldering 0402 resistors (for better sound) |
| 22:04.38 | badcloud_ | ughhh, NOT user friendly in the least bit. I'll stick to listening to music at home... |
| 22:05.25 | badcloud_ | pythm with mpd over wifi works well enough |
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| 22:07.12 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: check my bass rework page i tried today: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix |
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| 22:08.21 | bernt | for me 0603 is the smallest size which I had used. and this is very small! .. so getting lower frequencies is a part for professionals ... |
| 22:09.05 | PaulFertser | bernt: gsm buzz fix can be done with 0603 R, you just have to desolder 0402 0R first :) |
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| 22:12.08 | badcloud_ | that's impressive, but again |
| 22:12.35 | badcloud_ | I bought the phone not so I could crack it open and dissect it, though it would be fun had I know how to do so |
| 22:12.46 | badcloud_ | I got it to use as my primary phone |
| 22:12.58 | badcloud_ | not the wisest immediate choice I've made |
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| 22:13.09 | badcloud_ | but in the long run, I have faith in you guys |
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| 22:17.43 | samphippen | is the openmoko ready to be my primary phone yet? |
| 22:18.00 | badcloud_ | has anyone experienced bad touchscreen response? |
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| 22:18.17 | badcloud_ | without changing the sensitivity config? |
| 22:19.03 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: i think a lot of people didn't like how touchscreen worked with 2.6.24 kernel. |
| 22:19.04 | badcloud_ | depends on how well you know its faults |
| 22:19.14 | badcloud_ | (samphippen) |
| 22:19.26 | samphippen | badcloud_, never touched it before in my life |
| 22:21.14 | bmm | Ok.. so I got my kernel to panic, my led is not blinking and 5 seconds on the powerbutton doesn't seem to work. What now? |
| 22:21.29 | lindi- | bmm: what was the panic message? |
| 22:22.29 | bmm | lindi-: first line is s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19, second: kernel-panic no syncing vfs, unable to mount root fs on unknown block 179,2 |
| 22:22.53 | lindi- | bmm: ah, that does not look like a kernel bug |
| 22:23.03 | lindi- | bmm: more like configuration problem |
| 22:23.33 | bmm | lindi-: no, but still. How do I reboot? Remove battery? |
| 22:23.55 | lindi- | bmm: add panic=20 to kernel command line to make kernel reboot in 20 seconds after panic |
| 22:24.05 | lindi- | bmm: and/or use watchdog |
| 22:24.22 | lindi- | bmm: so that in the future you don't need to remove battery |
| 22:24.51 | bmm | lindi-: pff... why isn't a panic=20 default :S But ok. |
| 22:25.17 | lindi- | bmm: because panic is not something that happens normally. you want people to notice panics |
| 22:29.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07qtopia0710muxd * rdaca45e82891 10/src/qgsm0710multiplexer.cpp: qgsm0710multiplexer.cpp: try launching muxmode without any parameters, if command with parameters fails |
| 22:29.58 | bernt | hmm so many times I had to remove the battery because pressing the power button for more then 8 seconds had not rebooted the fr ... |
| 22:31.07 | badcloud_ | paul, which kernel would you suggest? |
| 22:31.56 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: andy-tracking, most problems are resolved there. Not every problem, but most. And it's actively developed. |
| 22:32.13 | badcloud_ | can you post a link? |
| 22:35.52 | bernt | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 22:37.19 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: or pre-compiled http://people.openmoko.org/andy |
| 22:37.36 | bernt | ;-) |
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| 22:43.43 | badcloud_ | also, I got a seg fault while installing pidgin |
| 22:43.54 | badcloud_ | trying to fix the touch issue |
| 22:48.40 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: do you have any short hint how to get GPS going in SHR? |
| 22:49.14 | dns53 | install fso-gpsd (watch out for the upgrade bug on the pakcage) |
| 22:51.17 | VilleWitt | dns53: is it the bug shown on: http://trac.shr-project.org\trac/wiki/Tweaks ? |
| 22:51.34 | VilleWitt | ups ...org/trac... |
| 22:51.34 | bmm | I would like to boot from a single ext2 partition on the uSD card (/boot etc). Is there any version of Qi that is advised? |
| 22:51.54 | PaulFertser | bmm: the latest |
| 22:52.06 | badcloud_ | ^&*(, touchscreen worked fine until I installed pidgin |
| 22:52.12 | badcloud_ | WTF |
| 22:52.18 | Kagee | where di i find my .desktop-files? |
| 22:52.20 | bmm | PaulFertser: that is from the people.../andy/ website? |
| 22:52.28 | max_posedon | I have installed shr-unstable, but their repositories doesn't contain a lof of software(I want epdfview for example), what repositories I should add to get it? |
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| 22:52.45 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: sorry, i'm not an SHR user. If all you need is Gypsy dbus interface, you probably don't have to install anything special. If you need gpsd-compatible interface, then yes, fso-gpsd is needed. |
| 22:53.22 | PaulFertser | bmm: I think it's close enough approximation. Better from git, but that precompiled one should be ok too. |
| 22:53.26 | dns53 | VilleWitt no, there can be problems upgrading the fso-gpsd package, it breaks the /etc/init.d/ script so google the error message to find the fix |
| 22:53.40 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: ohh, thx. BTW, what distro do you "live" in? |
| 22:53.56 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: Debian with FSO from git. |
| 22:54.12 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: Nice - debian lover! |
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| 22:54.40 | VilleWitt | dns53: thx m8 |
| 22:54.44 | bmm | PaulFertser: thanx.. I'll try to get it working. As you are running Debian, why not hackable1 ? |
| 22:54.48 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: lots of software and a sane package manager, so yes :) It works for me :) |
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| 22:55.40 | bernt | I think hackable1 is only a starting point for debian. |
| 22:55.53 | PaulFertser | bmm: hm, good question. When i got my FR there were no H1 yet. And they don't seem to provide a generic solution as FSO does. |
| 22:56.43 | VilleWitt | DebianLovers: Oopps: "dpkg list" returned "-sh: dpkg: not found" |
| 22:56.52 | VilleWitt | :( |
| 22:57.06 | bmm | PaulFertser: they include FSO, as far as I know, and as I'm a gnome fan, I like it. But I want to put time and documentation in the right one.. so I'm still not sure :D |
| 22:57.54 | PaulFertser | bmm: I don't like gnome at all. I can't see at as a usable system. I prefer ion3 on my desktops. |
| 22:58.23 | VilleWitt | thinks xmonad/awesome rocks |
| 22:59.32 | bmm | PaulFertser: ok, well, then I'll try to get debian running and see what happens from there :D |
| 22:59.33 | badcloud_ | what were some of the complaints about the touchscreen under pre-andy? |
| 23:00.01 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: jitter mostly, as far as i know. |
| 23:00.06 | bernt | VilleWitt: I get "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 23:00.10 | badcloud_ | jitter? |
| 23:00.13 | bmm | PaulFertser: btw, can you use it as a normal, day by day, phone? |
| 23:00.33 | VilleWitt | bernt: "You lucky bastard!" |
| 23:00.49 | VilleWitt | :p |
| 23:01.03 | PaulFertser | bmm: I'm not a heavy phone user and i don't get upset if my phone is not working. So, yes, i use it as my only phone from November, i think. |
| 23:01.23 | badcloud_ | you must have nerves of steel, Paul |
| 23:01.26 | bmm | PaulFertser: cool, thanks! |
| 23:02.15 | badcloud_ | I've been using it from new year's and I've counted two grey hairs already |
| 23:02.25 | dent | also uses the FR as a daily phone |
| 23:02.51 | VilleWitt | ...im going to. |
| 23:03.07 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: just the opposite. But i don't count on my cell phone at all. It's not critical for me. I don't want to be dependent on cell phones and cellular operators. |
| 23:03.20 | badcloud_ | I see |
| 23:03.35 | badcloud_ | even some elements like wifi take so much tinkering |
| 23:03.38 | badcloud_ | GPS, etc |
| 23:03.41 | VilleWitt | PoulFertser: You are probably a FSF member? |
| 23:04.00 | badcloud_ | I've gotten so many seg faults |
| 23:04.02 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: no, but i support them by agitation whenever possible ;) |
| 23:04.09 | badcloud_ | and most have been from just the images themselves |
| 23:04.16 | VilleWitt | :) |
| 23:04.17 | badcloud_ | nothing to do with opkg upgrading |
| 23:04.25 | badcloud_ | or changing config files |
| 23:04.38 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: wifi worked for me with WPA and i had almost no problems with GPS, at least no segfaults. |
| 23:05.05 | badcloud_ | in shr? |
| 23:05.34 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: i use Debian with FSO from git. |
| 23:05.36 | badcloud_ | any hopes of a working gui network manager? |
| 23:05.40 | badcloud_ | ah |
| 23:06.08 | badcloud_ | compiled? |
| 23:06.19 | badcloud_ | or are there images |
| 23:06.30 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: connman is being evaluated by the FSO team as a network manager. Looks promising. There's hope. |
| 23:06.43 | badcloud_ | gotcha |
| 23:06.57 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: python code, no need to compile it. |
| 23:07.23 | badcloud_ | I'm at the end of my tether here... trying to get dfu-utils to work in windoze on some school comp |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#openmoko polymar (n=polymar@ip72-219-131-110.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 23:07.31 | badcloud_ | so I can flash to andy kern |
| 23:07.35 | PaulFertser | More precisely, the FSO team has already decided to use connman, as far as i know. And it worked for some. |
| 23:08.27 | VilleWitt | RFTM: Well, I can't even find a pointer to that gps-upgrade-bug |
| 23:08.27 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: probably andy-tracking will not work with windows xp via usb, a week ago it even caused BSOD. |
| 23:08.49 | badcloud_ | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG |
| 23:09.06 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: dfu-util should work, no problems. But usb networking can be troublesome. |
| 23:09.11 | bernt | use a knoppix cd ... |
| 23:09.24 | badcloud_ | I'm downloading a fedora iso as we speak |
| 23:09.29 | VilleWitt | bernt: does knoppix have dfu-util? |
| 23:09.44 | bernt | dont know ;-9 I use ubuntu. |
| 23:10.18 | bernt | but you can download dfu-util. |
| 23:10.45 | bernt | or better neotool |
| 23:11.24 | VilleWitt | :) If anyony knows of a LiveCD that has dfu-util preinstalled, please tell me. (I have, atm no use of it, personally: Debian and it's child Ubuntu has dfu-util) |
| 23:11.47 | badcloud_ | there are three qi versions on the link you gave me, Paul |
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| 23:11.51 | badcloud_ | which one to use? |
| 23:11.51 | VilleWitt | But I bet I will need it at a LUG meeting |
| 23:12.07 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: a better solution. Carry a usb-usd adapter and boot from uSD. |
| 23:12.25 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: 2442 |
| 23:12.44 | badcloud_ | thanks |
| 23:13.02 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: yeah, prob. a good way to do it |
| 23:15.04 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: it'd be cool to be able to boot a PC from it as well, probably one can make a small FAT first primary partition and install Slax there. But even modern BIOSes are incredible crap, so you can't count on it. |
| 23:15.56 | PaulFertser | badcloud_: are you looking at the Qi wiki page? (just to make sure) |
| 23:16.00 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: yeah, had a USB boot fetish a month ago... Found incredible many that didn't like USB booting... |
| 23:16.45 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: Booting from the freerunner: Not bad, not bad at all! |
| 23:17.10 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: i even seen motherboards that hang hard when trying to boot with a usb mass storage inserted. Even when HD was choosen. |
| 23:17.15 | badcloud_ | looking now |
| 23:17.56 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: but you have to remove g_ether first, it can't co-exist with g_storage, can it? |
| 23:18.04 | VilleWitt | yeah... Coreboot would make the world a better place... |
| 23:18.11 | badcloud_ | gotta go |
| 23:18.13 | *** part/#openmoko badcloud_ (i=536c951b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5bc67e6350dab6ef) |
| 23:18.47 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: No idea - just got my piece 2 days ago... |
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| 23:19.54 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: ah, so you haven't tried to boot a pc from FR actually ;) I think it can be possible. Can you clarify, should a mass storage possess some hidden magic features to be able to become bootable? |
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| 23:20.37 | VilleWitt | If the gadget kernel subsystem is smart, it should be able to look like serveral USB units at the bus... USB GPS, USB storage and so on... |
| 23:20.52 | bernt | PaulFertser: neither g_ether nor g_storage are loaded on my FR. |
| 23:22.29 | bernt | But usb hub, usb network card, usb harddisk usb mouse are working ;-) |
| 23:23.40 | VilleWitt | bernt: sweet |
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| 23:24.05 | bernt | Yes and the most sweet thing is 512 MB swap! |
| 23:24.13 | VilleWitt | speaking of booting; has anyone here tried coreboot? |
| 23:24.25 | bernt | no |
| 23:24.41 | PaulFertser | I'd like to, but my motherboard is not supported. |
| 23:24.55 | VilleWitt | same situation here, poul... |
| 23:24.59 | VilleWitt | ...paul |
| 23:25.14 | PaulFertser | And i really don't need to do it at home, i reboot too rarely. |
| 23:25.25 | VilleWitt | :p |
| 23:25.59 | bernt | for windows I have vmware but mostly I dont need it ;-) |
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| 23:26.37 | VilleWitt | hmm, I will try to get that GPS working... |
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| 23:29.02 | bernt | with debian and a place near a window (not ms) its not so difficult. |
| 23:30.35 | PaulFertser | Same for me |
| 23:30.58 | VilleWitt | Well I'm not on Debian par se(Speaking of FR) |
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| 23:32.33 | VilleWitt | ohh... I skipped one posible fix.... ticket 265... this miggth be the stone I hadn't turned... |
| 23:32.39 | VilleWitt | -m |
| 23:32.51 | VilleWitt | +m-g ... |
| 23:33.27 | leavittx | hi! when it will possible be next openmoko release? =)) |
| 23:33.40 | VilleWitt | Sry for the spam - I have to get used to this "Kinesis Advantage Q/D"... |
| 23:34.13 | *** part/#openmoko los (n=los@194.29.137.44) |
| 23:34.20 | VilleWitt | leavittx: openmoko hardware or software? |
| 23:35.00 | leavittx | software for my gta02 =)) |
| 23:35.20 | VilleWitt | dunno |
| 23:37.00 | leavittx | and gta03? =) |
| 23:37.07 | PaulFertser | leavittx: there's plenty of software projects around gta02. Ask your favourite project's maintainers. |
| 23:37.23 | VilleWitt | well, both gta03 and gta04 are unknown... |
| 23:37.34 | leavittx | openmoko! |
| 23:37.40 | leavittx | like 2008.12 |
| 23:38.12 | leavittx | when then? |
| 23:38.13 | PaulFertser | leavittx: Then never. 2008.x is discontinued. |
| 23:38.27 | VilleWitt | Well, I have come to think SHR is nicer... |
| 23:38.52 | leavittx | hmm |
| 23:40.00 | leavittx | I've tried SHR but I gave up it for some reason... |
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| 23:40.32 | leavittx | well, gentoo is quite nice, I think =)) |
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| 23:45.24 | PaulFertser | finally found a shop with 4-ping 2.5mm jack. Yeah! |
| 23:47.26 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: URL? |
| 23:47.36 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: http://www.brownbear.ru/goods/5513.html ;) |
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| 23:48.03 | VilleWitt | PaulFertser: You from RU? |
| 23:48.21 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: Obviously, yes :) |
| 23:48.43 | VilleWitt | k, I'm from Denmark |
| 23:49.26 | PaulFertser | Cool bikelanes you have there ;) |
| 23:49.37 | JSmile | =o |
| 23:49.41 | VilleWitt | yeah - flat thou... |
| 23:49.56 | PaulFertser | Too bad too many suckers are going so slow that i can't understand how you can bear that. |
| 23:50.35 | bernt | VilleWitt: 4ring jack: ArtNo 730782-62 at www.conrad.de |
| 23:51.19 | VilleWitt | On bikes? Well, both ung and old drives bikes in Denmark... Very many do, in fact... |
| 23:51.37 | VilleWitt | bernt: Thx - Conrad wieder! |
| 23:52.13 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: the question is: how to ride the bike if the lane is fool of people going 15 km/h? Can you ride on the road? |
| 23:52.15 | bernt | but its only a little more than 2 euro. |
| 23:53.05 | VilleWitt | Well yes, most places have own bike roads 1.5 - 2 meters each... |
| 23:53.15 | PaulFertser | bernt: seemingly the same jack is less than 1 euro here in .ru ;) |
| 23:53.27 | VilleWitt | And ppl do keep to the right... No prob. there |
| 23:53.47 | bernt | thats normal and in china you will pay only cents ... |
| 23:54.31 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 23:55.02 | VilleWitt | I have heard somebody speak of Nokia head seats as working without modification? |
| 23:55.12 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: no bike roads at all in Moscow, can you imagine that? |
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| 23:55.36 | VilleWitt | Well in wintertime I can... -40C... :S |
| 23:55.38 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: Nokia's headsets are working with a minimal very easy modification afaik. |
| 23:55.53 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: -40C? Where? |
| 23:56.26 | *** part/#openmoko vanous123 (n=vanous@85.93.174.26) |
| 23:56.39 | VilleWitt | well, colder than in Denmark... We have so much water around us that we only extremly seldom have temperatures lower than -20C... |
| 23:57.01 | bernt | PaulFertser: Can you imaging that in china more and more people drive cars and you dont see so much bicycles. |
| 23:57.14 | VilleWitt | And sommer in Denmark is not hot either - water cooling it down... |
| 23:58.01 | bernt | VilleWitt: -20C to cold for me ... |
| 23:58.22 | PaulFertser | VilleWitt: you may be surprised to know that we rarely has temperatures lower than -20C in Moscow either. And if we do, we have it for like several days. |
| 23:59.26 | VilleWitt | well I guess this years peak temperature in ALL of Denmark (Not Greenland) was something like -17C... |
| 23:59.44 | VilleWitt | ...still in January, so It may still come |
