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| 00:28.33 | stongo | does anyone have any idea why zhone is asking for the dependency libpython2.5-1.0 when I try to install it on FSO. I could only find libpython2.6-1.0 from the FSO feedsite, and installing that didn't fix the dependency |
| 00:32.57 | mickey|sports | updating glitch |
| 00:33.06 | mickey|sports | python was updated, zhone was bumped later |
| 00:33.32 | stongo | mickeylspor: is there a way around it? |
| 00:33.52 | mickey|sports | install a current zhone |
| 00:34.34 | stongo | hrm. I just did opkg update... so not from the FSO testing feed? |
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| 00:43.37 | stongo | the angstrom zhone doesn't work either... kind of frustrating for FSO to remove the telephony in their latest image, when it seems impossible to install zhone |
| 00:44.30 | mickey|sports | yeah, we suck at times |
| 00:44.38 | mickey|sports | the problem is we're not distribution maintainers |
| 00:44.45 | mickey|sports | although we need to work on that since we don't have anyone else to do that |
| 00:44.58 | mickey|sports | and it doesn't happen automagically |
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| 00:45.19 | mickey|sports | the autobuilder should have a newer one soon though |
| 00:45.22 | mickey|sports | it was bumped some days ago |
| 00:47.15 | stongo | hrm. well it doesn't seem to be working at the moment. I found a version of libpython2.5-1.0. I'll just try installing that. |
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| 00:49.29 | stongo | haha more dependencies that libpython2.5-1.0 needs that aren't there anymore. sigh. |
| 00:49.32 | stongo | ah well. |
| 00:49.39 | stongo | maybe some other day |
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| 00:57.00 | Kagee | Hello. I need a app that can send SMS from ssh, is there any available? |
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| 00:57.42 | mickey|sports | depends on your distro |
| 00:57.48 | mickey|sports | what do you run? |
| 00:59.05 | slaxxin | seems to be a steady stream of freerunners coming in here |
| 00:59.10 | slaxxin | :) |
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| 00:59.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4897 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/gsmd.h: add missing include of strl.h. patch by khorben. closing OM #2184 |
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| 01:00.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4898 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ChangeLog: remove changelog, it's incomplete |
| 01:01.06 | Kagee | mickey|sports right now i've got fso-console |
| 01:01.15 | mickey|sports | good choice |
| 01:01.19 | mickey|sports | that should be sufficient |
| 01:01.43 | mickey|sports | with python you can write a small script that takes a number and the content as input parameter |
| 01:01.51 | mickey|sports | or create a massive 'dbus-send' command :) |
| 01:02.38 | Kagee | i think i'll go for the pyton-version. I'm really just trying to use it as an SMS-server (in & out) atm. |
| 01:02.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4899 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/THIS_PROJECT_IS_UNMAINTAINED: add note about status |
| 01:03.11 | mickey|sports | cool project |
| 01:04.53 | Kagee | mhm, but where do i start? (to read/learn) |
| 01:06.29 | Dave | o.O |
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| 01:09.06 | gurugentoo | has anyone used Haskell on the FR? |
| 01:09.54 | mickey|sports | Kagee: wiki contains some tutorials |
| 01:10.02 | mickey|sports | and docs.freesmartphone.org all the reference API |
| 01:10.11 | mickey|sports | and zhone is a huge example |
| 01:10.20 | mickey|sports | or ask on the mailing lists |
| 01:10.26 | mickey|sports | [after doing some research[] |
| 01:10.53 | stongo | when you can actually install zhone |
| 01:11.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4900 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/THIS_PROJECT_IS_UNMAINTAINED: add note about status |
| 01:15.13 | bmm | my mount says "mount: unknown filesystem type 'jffs2'" any hints? lsmod says I have jffs2 loaded, so I don't get it, any ideas? |
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| 01:16.00 | bmm | (I'm trying http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jffs2 ) |
| 01:17.04 | Arg0naut | is there an email app for the freerunner? |
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| 01:21.21 | bmm | posts it on the discussion page and leaves |
| 01:22.05 | slaxxin | SUperDave |
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| 02:03.31 | orzo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode |
| 02:03.35 | orzo | I'm trying to build myself something |
| 02:03.37 | orzo | to do that |
| 02:03.43 | orzo | to power usb devices |
| 02:03.57 | orzo | here's what I have: http://urz.jerkface.net/usbkit.jpg |
| 02:04.22 | orzo | I've tried different things and never got anything to work |
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| 02:04.44 | orzo | I apparently don't know what i'm doing and find all the directions everywhere less than perfect |
| 02:05.14 | orzo | is there anybody who as actually built this thing that can help me? |
| 02:05.58 | orzo | or perhaps somebody who has a lot of confidence about how to wire everything together |
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| 02:42.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: I don't see where the problem comes from. The wiki is quite detailled afaik |
| 02:42.49 | orzo | no |
| 02:42.50 | orzo | it's not |
| 02:43.09 | orzo | can you tell me exactly which pins to connect? |
| 02:43.24 | orzo | i have two female usb A slots, one two the phone and the other two a device |
| 02:43.42 | orzo | see my http://urz.jerkface.net/usbkit.jpg |
| 02:43.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | it's described in detail in wiki |
| 02:43.55 | orzo | have you done it? |
| 02:44.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | part of it |
| 02:45.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | I "invented" the Y-cable solution |
| 02:45.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | plus special setting for FR hostmode and usb-power |
| 02:46.25 | orzo | http://om.quatrox.org/om/y_cable.png |
| 02:46.30 | orzo | is that diagram correct? |
| 02:47.09 | orzo | how do i match the pins on teh other side of the female A connector to the lines comming out of the box labeled "Freerunner" ? |
| 02:47.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | (usbkit) duh, looks complicated |
| 02:48.23 | orzo | ? |
| 02:48.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | This part I never had a look at. There's much easier solutiions - like Y-cable for use with external usb-harddisk |
| 02:51.58 | SpeedEvil | Random question on the s3c6400. Anyone recall if it has a high speed sync serial port that can do DMA? (18mbits/sec in) |
| 02:52.31 | SpeedEvil | is idly womdering about software GPS. |
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| 03:04.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: the schem looks nearly correct, though I can't tell about the pinout of the boardmount receptacles |
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| 03:20.41 | Dave | Hi Joerg :) |
| 03:20.49 | Dave | Yes, I've always liked your Y-cable solution |
| 03:20.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi |
| 03:20.55 | Dave | I made it too, during the summer |
| 03:20.58 | Dave | :] |
| 03:22.18 | catsup | http://childrenofmay.org/Frank%20Zappa%20-%20Central%20Scrutinizer.mp3 |
| 03:23.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | catsup: how did you spot me being a zappa-fan? ;) |
| 03:24.26 | Dave | :) |
| 03:24.46 | orzo | Dave: did you use 15kohm resisters? |
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| 03:34.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | orzo: you can try to get away without them. Depends on what you are connecting for peripheral |
| 03:34.37 | Dave | Joerg, did you see the diagram on quatrox's site? |
| 03:34.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 03:34.47 | orzo | i have 15khom resistors |
| 03:35.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | I don't see why ther's such a lot of femal usb |
| 03:36.20 | Dave | hmm? |
| 03:36.32 | Dave | f-f usb? |
| 03:37.03 | orzo | well my plan is to have an altoids box with two female usb and one mail usb cable comming out of it going to a power source |
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| 03:37.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | u need male mini for FR, and you need male std for power or a bullet or mini-female |
| 03:38.05 | orzo | ya, but i figure i'll use a male A connector to a male mini connector for the neo |
| 03:38.15 | orzo | i have such an adapter in the jpeg i posted |
| 03:39.34 | orzo | my phone is the neo1973 gta01v4 |
| 03:40.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah, and did you check if all this makes for a correct pin-to-pin asignment |
| 03:40.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | ? |
| 03:40.28 | orzo | what do you mean? |
| 03:40.41 | orzo | i have 5 pins on teh back of each female usb |
| 03:40.49 | orzo | i can connect them up in whatever way i want i figure |
| 03:41.17 | orzo | so its possible to do the correct connections, right? |
| 03:41.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | and I see 4 pins in every male std usbjack |
| 03:41.25 | orzo | sorry, 4 pins |
| 03:41.37 | orzo | 4 pins on the back of each female usb connector |
| 03:41.58 | yoyo | someone interested in eleGlade? http://d3p.pl/tmp/eleGlade_0.4.png |
| 03:43.30 | orzo | i figure the id pin is lost somehow in a mini B to full A adapter |
| 03:43.49 | Dave | :x |
| 03:43.52 | orzo | so i wont be able to connect that to the charger |
| 03:44.00 | orzo | but do i need it? |
| 03:47.27 | Kagee | I ran opkg upgrade on my fso-stable 4.1, witch turned out to be a bad idea :-S |
| 03:47.50 | orzo | what happens to the id pin in a mini B to male A wire? |
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| 03:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | orzo: no, charger will work without idpin. U need to set chargecurrent via some applet on FR then |
| 03:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | orzo: id-pin left open in adapters |
| 03:56.01 | orzo | i want this thing mainly to use usb devices |
| 03:56.04 | orzo | not to charge the phone |
| 03:56.44 | orzo | DocScrutinizer: what about calbes? Same as adapters right? id-pin left open? |
| 03:56.52 | orzo | cables |
| 03:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you got a GTA01. So you don't need to care about usb-power mode |
| 03:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 03:57.19 | Dave | that sounds good :) |
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| 04:22.17 | orzo | http://localhost/ybox-diagram.jpg |
| 04:22.27 | orzo | anyone want to draw lines to show the connections for me? |
| 04:22.29 | orzo | heh |
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| 04:43.17 | orzo | er |
| 04:43.23 | orzo | oops |
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| 05:15.42 | Kagee | Is there a crash-course in cli-framework ? |
| 05:22.16 | orzo | Is this a correct y-cable diagram? http://urz.jerkface.net/ybox-diagram3.jpg |
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| 05:39.26 | Karadog | Hi. anyone there?? |
| 05:39.51 | orzo | no |
| 05:40.51 | Karadog | haha... |
| 05:42.00 | Karadog | the daily testing stop working???? |
| 05:43.04 | Kagee | gsm firmware upgrade? |
| 05:43.55 | Kagee | there's one avalible? |
| 05:44.22 | orzo | from when? |
| 05:44.26 | orzo | i flashed my gsm |
| 05:45.13 | Kagee | don't ask me, i havent used my fr in months :-P Just readin up on some bugs etc now, and one mentioned a firmware upgrade |
| 05:45.46 | Karadog | I mean the http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing |
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| 05:46.27 | Karadog | The latest is 20090120, So missing 20090121 and 20090122 |
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| 05:53.46 | Karadog | I am looking forward to the new testing images.... |
| 05:55.36 | brian__ | om daily? |
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| 05:58.49 | Kagee | Can i safely run opkg upgrade om my fresh Om2008.12-image? |
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| 05:59.53 | Karadog | yes, you can |
| 06:00.02 | Kagee | Are there any buts? |
| 06:02.03 | Karadog | not sure......Actually testing software running quite well... |
| 06:02.06 | brian__ | as long as u have an ip |
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| 06:02.26 | Karadog | hehe... |
| 06:02.55 | brian__ | wont do any good |
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| 06:03.17 | brian__ | unless there was an update today |
| 06:04.12 | Kagee | crossing his fingers and running upgrade |
| 06:05.46 | Kagee | noting. must be good |
| 06:06.19 | brian__ | linball |
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| 06:10.56 | Karadog | hehe ...... |
| 06:11.04 | Karadog | Everything will be OK |
| 06:11.36 | Karadog | I am always using software in testing repository |
| 06:11.45 | Karadog | Seems no big problems. |
| 06:11.52 | Kagee | Om2008.x is not FSO-based? not cli-framework, dbus etc ? :-( |
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| 07:48.14 | pouype | hello |
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| 08:32.01 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 08:48.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:49.15 | husku | not that good :) |
| 08:49.49 | husku | i had to dig some taxi out of my driveway (stuck in snow) to get to work :) |
| 08:50.10 | husku | had some nice 30mins of shoveling and pushing :) |
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| 08:52.15 | xEBIx | good mornig |
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| 08:52.44 | xEBIx | is there a german channel? |
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| 08:54.19 | doc|home | xEBIx: try #openmoko.de |
| 08:54.36 | doc|home | or not :/ |
| 08:54.43 | xEBIx | doc|home, no theres nobody and its not registered |
| 08:54.48 | doc|home | yeah :/ |
| 08:55.27 | xEBIx | so what i want is to get a better keyboard working in my openmoko testing, i like the illume |
| 08:55.47 | xEBIx | but i didn't find a fitting howto so long |
| 08:56.33 | xEBIx | i tried it already but than the qt crashed and i had to reflash to get the qt back working |
| 08:57.03 | doc|home | xEBIx: there's a keyboard section on the wiki |
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| 09:00.50 | xEBIx | realy? |
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| 09:01.34 | soul9 | hm, anyone having problems with wifi with yesterday's andy-tracking kernel? |
| 09:01.34 | soul9 | wifi and gsm |
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| 09:10.22 | spaetz | xEBIx: #neo1973-german ? |
| 09:10.52 | xEBIx | there is nobody either but thanks |
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| 09:17.13 | xEBIx | doc|home, i am using testing/2008.12 and not 2007.2... |
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| 10:00.27 | PaulFertser_ | Now that is funny: "can anyone clue me in on how the install.sh script works? it appears to be an xml file to me" |
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| 10:04.50 | PaulFertser_ | There's a funny verse in russian, rougly translate as "I'm standing on an asphalt, wearing skis. Either the skis don't work, or i'm a fucked up moron" (that is ironic, not offensive!) |
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| 11:38.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rc38059ea32a8 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: handle old and new power control paths |
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| 11:43.38 | Kagee | http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgecco.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F10%2F13%2Fopenmoko-spedire-sms-da-terminale%2F&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 11:43.59 | Kagee | that is the closes't i'we come to sending SMS'es from the command line. Any betteR? |
| 11:44.08 | Kagee | (Om2008.12) |
| 11:50.20 | DrRabbit | somebody just forwarded me an email about a guy who was charging his phone |
| 11:50.24 | DrRabbit | and he got a call |
| 11:50.32 | DrRabbit | so he answered it as it was still plugged in |
| 11:50.44 | DrRabbit | and then "electricity flowed into the phone" |
| 11:50.49 | DrRabbit | and electrocuted him |
| 11:50.57 | DrRabbit | and then he died. |
| 11:51.12 | DrRabbit | is there a remote chance of that happening with the FreeRunner, or any phone for that matter? |
| 11:52.21 | Kagee | did he run aout of the shower to answer the phone? |
| 11:52.26 | Kagee | *out |
| 11:52.57 | Kagee | I think the Neo battery is somethin like 7.6 volts. |
| 11:53.18 | Kagee | and then i guess it dosent charge with much more |
| 11:53.32 | carllobo | could have been a problem with the charger |
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| 11:54.07 | carllobo | guess we should wear rubber gloves while handling the phone ;) |
| 11:54.31 | DrRabbit | well the email suggests not using phones while they're plugged in |
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| 11:55.30 | carllobo | ah... makes sense :) |
| 11:56.11 | LittleIdiot | ...or plug your charger into an isolating transformator ;) |
| 11:57.41 | LittleIdiot | if you die because current flows trough you via the phone, two things are broken: the house's electrical installation and the charger... |
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| 12:02.12 | SpeedEvil | 'forwarded emails'. |
| 12:02.19 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a habit of believing those? |
| 12:02.30 | SpeedEvil | If so, I've got a unicorn egg I can let you have cheap. |
| 12:02.58 | SpeedEvil | And anyway. |
| 12:03.09 | SpeedEvil | The 'electrocute the user' functionality hasn't yet been coded. |
| 12:04.06 | Kagee | SpeedEvil, i've seen some early drafts of the function. It wount ever live up to a chain-mail dogh. |
| 12:04.38 | SpeedEvil | In short. |
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| 12:05.41 | SpeedEvil | There is no extra risk in using a plugged-in phone. |
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| 12:06.02 | SpeedEvil | If the charger was going to electrocute you, it can do it at any time. |
| 12:06.37 | SpeedEvil | There should be an isolation barrier good to some 2.5KV AC for a couple of mins in there. |
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| 13:04.57 | LittleIdiot | hmm, reading all the stuff on the devel mailinglist, i wonder why nobody asked ralink if they'd cooperate |
| 13:05.23 | LittleIdiot | they've opensourced the driver and at least allow to upload a firmware... |
| 13:05.34 | LittleIdiot | although the firmware itself is closed |
| 13:06.20 | dns53 | for what? |
| 13:06.34 | LittleIdiot | wifi device |
| 13:07.22 | bernt | Is there a possibility for the FR to automatically decide whether to act as USB host or USB device? |
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| 13:08.03 | dns53 | not automatically, you can send the config to a sysfs node to toggle |
| 13:09.01 | bernt | I know how to switch manually, but I would like that the FR makes some tests and do it himself. |
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| 13:15.25 | dns53 | not possible with how they made the hardware in the gta2 |
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| 13:16.56 | Dave | Speedevil! |
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| 13:59.56 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 14:01.13 | toggles_w | Dave: !! |
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| 14:19.18 | xEBIx | what a trainstation |
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| 14:26.08 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.29 | henk | gfather: what happens exactly? pastebin? |
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| 14:34.12 | gfather_ | <henk i solved it , fso image and maybe om , don have make :) |
| 14:34.47 | gfather_ | and im compiling on freerunner it self , so yesterday i installed all the libs needed , but i didn know that make , isint there |
| 14:37.45 | Kagee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.05 | henk | one is with illume, the other without? |
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| 14:38.24 | Kagee | meaning? |
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| 14:41.12 | henk | i have no idea... |
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| 14:43.59 | lunartear | This is off topic for openmoko, but would anyone around here care to theorize what possible causes for a phone app not being able to connect to a virtual machine when its on a particular phone on a particular provider, but outside of a virtual setup its absolutely fine |
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| 14:45.01 | Kagee | say what? |
| 14:45.10 | lunartear | lol |
| 14:45.35 | lunartear | shall I explain a bit more ? |
| 14:46.04 | Kagee | maybe more than one sentence ? |
| 14:46.59 | lunartear | I didnt want to go all out incase people disagreed with me discussing it here |
| 14:47.21 | lunartear | I just know there are alot of intelligent people here that deal with phones inparticular |
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| 14:49.09 | lunartear | we have a phone app for a blackberry that uses tcp to connect to an apache server with xmlrpc. We were migrating the server to a virtual machine with vmware. have a public IP and iptables that routes incoming packets for port 80 to the lan IP of the VM |
| 14:49.39 | lunartear | when we try to connect I never even see a connection attempt through a tcpdump |
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| 14:50.56 | lunartear | but when we point at a physical machine to test another server all is well |
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| 14:51.12 | lunartear | this only seems to happen on the verizon and tmobile networks |
| 14:51.50 | lunartear | I thought it might have been from a lack of ptr record for the VM's IP but tested after adding one and still cant connect |
| 14:52.38 | lunartear | Any thoughts? |
| 14:52.49 | Kagee | so, the app fails to connect to server-VM via said networks, but connects sucsessfully to a physical machine ? |
| 14:52.58 | lunartear | yes |
| 14:53.31 | lunartear | but other blackberries on different providers and also some nokias running a java version of the software on tmobile can connect just fine |
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| 14:53.57 | lunartear | the nokia in question used the same sim card that the failing blackberry had |
| 14:54.28 | lunartear | im thinking its some quirk with tmobile/blackberry |
| 14:56.10 | lunartear | It should also be noted that the built in browser can reach the apache server on the VM |
| 14:59.47 | lunartear | I have to go to an appointment so I'll be back in a couple hours. I'll be idling if anyone has any thoughts |
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| 16:20.48 | Weiss | nyarg. blatently forged emails on the list :/ |
| 16:21.54 | bmm | I want to be hacking, tweaking etc. but I would like to use it as a phone as well. What would be the most productive environment without loosing the phone capabilities (call, sms)? |
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| 16:22.41 | bmm | (e.g. debian seems cool and the most usefull to work on (as it has everything) but it doesn't seem to be a good _phone_) |
| 16:22.44 | Weiss | bmm: i use 2008.12-testing for that, but i got lucky with stuff working there for me. maybe SHR is a good choice? |
| 16:22.57 | henk | bmm: debian? hackable1 perhaps... |
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| 16:23.23 | henk | bmm: the phone part in debian is the phone stack that one should support imho. and the one funded by openmoko afaik |
| 16:24.06 | henk | and the same phone part that's going to be used in the next Om releases. |
| 16:24.42 | bmm | henk: Well, the cool thing about debian is that I already know how to make debian packages and like to be able to port things more easily from a debian source package. |
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| 16:25.01 | bmm | henk: so debian is where the development is going to end up, you would say? |
| 16:25.48 | henk | bmm: no. fso (freesmartphone.org) is the phone stack i am talking about. debian just uses that stack. |
| 16:27.08 | henk | bmm: the good thing about debian is that is a stable base with loads of available packages. so it is a good platform for developement i'd say. |
| 16:28.22 | henk | and for hacking and doing other stuff. if you're able to build debian packages, you should have no problem packaging the software only available as source and in opkg format, since that software is sometimes the most interesting on that hardware... |
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| 16:28.42 | henk | and quite some of it is not available in debian or .deb format. |
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| 16:29.12 | gfather_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.29 | gfather_ | http://pastebin.com/d504a2f99 |
| 16:29.40 | kW | Hello, my "qpe" process does not start anymore, it fails every time when starting, with the error message " |
| 16:29.41 | kW | QtopiaServer : Starting task "DBMigrate" |
| 16:29.43 | kW | /opt/Qtopia/bin/dbmigrate aborted: Process operation timed out |
| 16:29.44 | kW | QThread: Destroyed while thread is still running |
| 16:29.46 | kW | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 16:30.58 | kW | so is it possible to disable "dbmigrate" at all? |
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| 17:02.07 | Sardonne | how come qtextended hasn't had a new release in ages? |
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| 17:12.11 | Carsonne | is there any news on qtextended? it seems to have just stopped |
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| 17:27.00 | gfather_ | guys im trying to change the font , i have fso image , but its not changing |
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| 17:32.53 | zedstar | doh |
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| 17:45.29 | Laptol | so that new palm webos looks interesting, runs on linux, right? |
| 17:45.50 | Tm_T | aye |
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| 17:50.31 | Laptol | is it possible that we may see it on the freerunner? |
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| 17:56.42 | net_tux | does anyone know if it's possible to recover a deleted sms message? I'd be trying to recover one from a sim card from someone else's phone. I figure if it could be done on any phone, it'd be a FR. |
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| 17:57.35 | soul9 | why do people think you need to be root to use dfu-utils? |
| 17:57.48 | bmm | How is openssh-sftp-server implemented? Is it possible to create an anonymous chrooted sftp account using dropbear? |
| 17:57.49 | soul9 | all you need is be in the usb group imho |
| 17:59.13 | soul9 | even the developer of neotool seems to think the only way to be able to flash the FR is to be root |
| 17:59.18 | soul9 | that is FALSE |
| 18:00.02 | bmm | soul9: also, why do people think they need to run "sync" after umount?? Another thing I don't get |
| 18:00.15 | soul9 | heh, after umount? |
| 18:00.19 | soul9 | that's funny |
| 18:01.01 | bmm | soul9: right, that's what I say in the discussion on the wiki ;) |
| 18:01.08 | Laptol | i get an error when trying to install the qtopia terminal... |
| 18:01.50 | soul9 | bmm: where is there a sync after umount. |
| 18:01.52 | soul9 | ? |
| 18:03.43 | bmm | soul9: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Populate_SD_card |
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| 18:12.39 | mac2k | soul9: why they think they must be root? because the wiki sais so. If you know it better feel free to edit |
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| 18:13.51 | soul9 | mac2k: it seems that on some (broken) systems, it is true you need to be root though |
| 18:14.09 | soul9 | i use gentoo, and on gentoo all you need is be in the usb group i think |
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| 18:14.21 | soul9 | anyways, i'll add a comment |
| 18:15.17 | mac2k | i also used root untill now on my gentoo system - never thought of trying it any other way |
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| 18:17.29 | soul9 | mac2k: never do that |
| 18:17.40 | soul9 | root is bad |
| 18:17.52 | soul9 | it's one of the biggest design flaws in unix |
| 18:17.53 | lindi- | soul9: you need root unless you have proper udev configuration |
| 18:17.59 | soul9 | yes |
| 18:18.04 | lindi- | (that gives any local user access to the device) |
| 18:18.14 | soul9 | a group, more exactly.. |
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| 18:18.27 | lindi- | is it a security issue to allow anybody to talk to it btw? ;) |
| 18:18.41 | soul9 | doesn't allow anyone |
| 18:18.50 | soul9 | allows only ppl in the usb group |
| 18:18.58 | soul9 | so it is definitely not a security issue |
| 18:19.06 | lindi- | ah, i have no usb group |
| 18:19.59 | soul9 | ot plugdev |
| 18:20.07 | soul9 | plugdev is dbus/hal default i thing |
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| 18:30.25 | kW | hello, does anybody know whether it is possible to store the SIM PIN for qpe into a file such that it is not necessary to enter the SIM PIN every time? |
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| 18:35.02 | lindi- | kW: by modifying the program at least? |
| 18:36.08 | kW | lindi-: there is not pre-defined storage (e.g. a configuration file) for such information? |
| 18:37.48 | lindi- | kW: afaik no |
| 18:38.37 | kW | is it worth to hack qpe for this feature or will qpe be replaced soon anyhow (e.g. by an FSO approach)? |
| 18:39.05 | lindi- | kW: depends on if you replace it or not ;) |
| 18:39.45 | kW | well |
| 18:39.53 | kW | I'd like to stay and work bleeding-edge |
| 18:39.56 | kW | (but usable) |
| 18:41.15 | lindi- | kapula stores the pin in ~/.kapula/pin |
| 18:42.56 | kW | so what is kapula? |
| 18:44.16 | lindi- | kW: my own hack, very simple dialer program for fso |
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| 18:45.31 | kW | I see |
| 18:46.14 | kW | well, as I use the freerunner as my primary phone ("eat your own dogfood"), I need a dialer with buttons and with an address book... :-\ |
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| 18:51.15 | mac2k | kW: if you have some other phone around you can disable the sim check on the sim card |
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| 18:54.25 | lindi- | kW: kapula features phonebook with automatic completion :) |
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| 19:05.33 | kW | mac2k: well, I do not want to disable the SIM itself in case the phone gets stolen... however, I do have an encrypted root filesystem on the freerunner, so I can safely store the SIM PIN inside the encrypted filesystem |
| 19:06.17 | kW | lindi-: well, I've stopped remembering phone numbers... ;-) |
| 19:07.53 | lindi- | kW: it has names |
| 19:08.38 | kW | lindi-: that's better :-) |
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| 19:39.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r56b2b138db01 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:39.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: powercontrol_neo: use bind/unbind way of controlling ar6k power to get the maximum |
| 19:39.30 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: power saving. This obsoletes wireless.pyx and -- at this point of time -- we no longer require Cython. |
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| 19:40.59 | th0br0 | hello everyone. I'm currently trying to get the illume keyboard running in asu. |
| 19:41.21 | th0br0 | yet, although I changed the respective module.illume.cfg, the cached one in ~/.e/e ... is always resetted to the wrong one. |
| 19:41.29 | th0br0 | how could I change this? (or should I rather ask somewhere else?) |
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| 20:05.17 | Mortak | hi |
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| 20:06.31 | th0br0 | nvm, found my mistake |
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| 21:13.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Why has no-one made the FR work as a 3D mouse yet?? :'( |
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| 21:26.10 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: gps is not that accurate? |
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| 21:27.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it has accelerometers for that. :) |
| 21:27.29 | angasule | lindi-: I guess he meant the accelerometers |
| 21:29.01 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: but they can only notice acceleration, is that enough for mouse? |
| 21:30.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Acceleration and orientation. But really, what more does the average mouse use? An optical mouse only sees movement, a ball mouse only sees movement... |
| 21:30.46 | angasule | Digital_Pioneer: mice see position change, I think, using acceleration is possible but errors might result in drifting |
| 21:31.04 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: but the gravity might interfere us here a bit? |
| 21:31.14 | lindi- | or hmm, we should be able to cancel it out? |
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| 21:31.44 | Digital_Pioneer | It should be possible, it might not be the most accurate thing in the world, but I'll just bet it'll slaughter the average touchpad. |
| 21:31.51 | SM2k | lindi-, oh you could cancel it. I'd check if such a thing exists for the iPhone or G1 |
| 21:32.41 | zash_ | SM2k: afaik there is stuff for using the touchscreen as remote touchpad for iphone |
| 21:32.52 | zash_ | but you are talking accelerometers? |
| 21:32.55 | SM2k | lindi-, having programmed with the accelerometer in the iPhone, I know that it actually sees gravity as acceleration downward |
| 21:34.00 | lunartear | did anyone have any suggestions for my issues I expressed earlier this morning? |
| 21:34.05 | SM2k | zash_, oh I have that program too. what Digital_Pioneer is picturing is being able to wave his phone in the air all Wii like and thus evoke a mouse-like response on a nearby terminal. |
| 21:34.12 | SM2k | at least that's what I picture he's picturing |
| 21:34.46 | Digital_Pioneer | SM2k: Yup. As is listed on the wiki. |
| 21:34.50 | zash_ | SM2k: yea, that would be coul. and possible. so code it already! |
| 21:35.03 | SM2k | zash_, I'm busy coding otehr things. 8-) |
| 21:35.24 | Digital_Pioneer | SM2k: Are they as cool as a phone doubling for a wireless mouse? |
| 21:35.31 | SM2k | what devices does the acceleromter show up as? |
| 21:35.36 | zash_ | Damn other things! :D |
| 21:36.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, there's Remoko, which allows you to use it as a mouse and keyboard. |
| 21:36.09 | SM2k | zash_, other things equal paycheck... which equals bills paid and stuff... which keeps the lady sticking around, see. :-0 |
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| 21:37.19 | zash_ | SM2k: :D |
| 21:37.37 | zash_ | SM2k: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
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| 21:37.57 | lindi- | SM2k: yep |
| 21:38.05 | SM2k | zash_, ah thanks :-) I've come to realize practically everything I could want to know about the freerunner is in that wiki somewhere |
| 21:38.06 | zash_ | SM2k: /dev/input/event2 & 3 |
| 21:38.22 | SM2k | I just also have found that like all wikis, you can't always find it. |
| 21:38.29 | zash_ | SM2k: yes, hidden in the wiki! :D |
| 21:38.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Indeed. LOL |
| 21:38.34 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: what program understands it now has a 3d mouse? ;) |
| 21:38.52 | lindi- | SM2k: grep is good way to find stuff from wiki |
| 21:39.00 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: I believe it's up to the mouse to send valid data. :) |
| 21:39.05 | soul9 | lindi-: ?? |
| 21:39.11 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: but under X you only send 2d coordinates |
| 21:39.13 | zash_ | lindi-: use the 3'th d as pressure in like photoshop or something |
| 21:39.16 | lindi- | soul9: ? |
| 21:39.17 | SM2k | lindi-, none that I know of per se. the iPhone remote control thing mentioned eearlier uses a proprietary 3d protocol |
| 21:39.21 | SM2k | er. tcp/ip |
| 21:39.28 | SM2k | brain went dead for a sec there |
| 21:39.32 | soul9 | lindi-: i'm interested in finding stuff easily on the wiki. |
| 21:39.37 | lindi- | zash_: yep but modify every app for that? |
| 21:39.53 | soul9 | no, you could make it an input device for x |
| 21:40.00 | lindi- | soul9: "mvs" is a tool to checkout mediawiki like a version control system |
| 21:40.07 | soul9 | oh |
| 21:40.09 | soul9 | nice |
| 21:40.13 | soul9 | :-D |
| 21:40.22 | SM2k | soul9, you'd probably want to shadow the 3d functionality elsewhere, but have it also masquerade as a standard mouse |
| 21:40.23 | lindi- | soul9: i use it to have my own version of the wiki on my phone and to search and commit modifications |
| 21:40.24 | zash_ | lindi-: maybe scrolling? might be weird |
| 21:40.49 | zash_ | up = scroll up, etc |
| 21:40.51 | SM2k | lindi-, oh, is there a web browser for the openmoko? |
| 21:41.02 | lindi- | SM2k: i use debian on freerunner, i don't use openmoko (the distro) |
| 21:41.11 | SM2k | oh right. |
| 21:41.17 | lindi- | SM2k: but you can read wiki with emacs's wikipedia mode |
| 21:41.23 | SM2k | shivers |
| 21:41.28 | soul9 | SM2k: well yeah.. |
| 21:41.38 | soul9 | emacs lol |
| 21:41.39 | lindi- | SM2k: beats web browser any day :) |
| 21:41.49 | SM2k | you know... hi my name is SM2k and I've been emacs free for 18 months now. going strong thanks... next? |
| 21:42.12 | SM2k | emacs. the other OS |
| 21:42.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you use emacs-w3m? |
| 21:42.23 | SM2k | I should fire up a rousing game of snake for old time's sake |
| 21:42.27 | lindi- | PaulFertser: nope, emacs has a mode for editing the wiki markup |
| 21:42.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: like C-c C-f C-l inserts a link |
| 21:42.41 | PaulFertser | lindi-: not for the wiki but for the internet in general |
| 21:42.58 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i mostly use elinks and midori |
| 21:43.16 | lindi- | PaulFertser: on freerunner. on PC i use elinks and iceweasel |
| 21:43.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: with mouse? But emacs-w3m is usually good enough and it's still emacs! ;) |
| 21:43.35 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it's not good enough unfortunately :/ |
| 21:43.46 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: Yes, but it would still work as a 3D mouse in the respect that it could be used in 3D space. |
| 21:43.50 | Digital_Pioneer | You wouldn't need a table. |
| 21:43.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: when is it not good enough? |
| 21:44.21 | soul9 | Digital_Pioneer: there is an app for making gestures with it |
| 21:44.21 | lindi- | PaulFertser: * #415132 [n| | ] [w3m] w3m -dump eats lots of memory and then segfaults |
| 21:44.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415132 |
| 21:44.31 | Digital_Pioneer | soul9: Not what I want, and it's not reliable enough for me anyways. :( |
| 21:44.40 | soul9 | ah :-/ |
| 21:44.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: 'Filed 1 year and 314 days ago; Modified 1 year and 314 days ago;' |
| 21:44.57 | th0br0 | mmh... if I were wanting to play back mp3s ... how could I do this? |
| 21:45.16 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what about conkeror then? |
| 21:45.17 | soul9 | use mplayer |
| 21:45.24 | th0br0 | soul9, sure, but I need somehting with a gui. |
| 21:45.24 | th0br0 | :D |
| 21:45.29 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it wasn't enough emacs :) |
| 21:45.43 | lindi- | PaulFertser: lacks C-x 2 |
| 21:46.23 | soul9 | th0br0: i think therpythm? |
| 21:46.24 | PaulFertser | :))) you're talking about xulrunner version, not FF extension, yes? |
| 21:46.28 | soul9 | err |
| 21:46.33 | soul9 | th0br0: pyhtm |
| 21:46.39 | th0br0 | soul9, yeah, I tried to test it but currently I'm searching for a mpd package |
| 21:46.52 | soul9 | yeah, i had no luck with that :-/ |
| 21:47.03 | th0br0 | but well... I guess I'll just use some packages form shr-testing |
| 21:47.10 | soul9 | debian might have it... |
| 21:47.10 | th0br0 | iirc... there was some mp3 stuff in there |
| 21:47.15 | th0br0 | but I'll have to take a look again |
| 21:47.20 | th0br0 | I guess so. |
| 21:47.42 | soul9 | th0br0: tell me if you find anything, i'm using shr-unstable ;-) |
| 21:47.45 | th0br0 | ok. |
| 21:48.02 | th0br0 | so... I can upgrade to shr-testing w/o problems? |
| 21:48.19 | soul9 | from...? |
| 21:48.24 | th0br0 | 2008.12 |
| 21:48.41 | soul9 | no, i definitely wouldn't advise it |
| 21:48.42 | soul9 | at all |
| 21:48.47 | th0br0 | mmh ok. |
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| 21:55.27 | th0br0 | so... what base distro would you recommend when using fso, soul9 ? |
| 21:56.51 | soul9 | hm? |
| 21:56.55 | soul9 | i don't use fso |
| 21:57.02 | soul9 | but shr is based on fso |
| 21:59.34 | th0br0 | hmm... I thought you said somewhere that you're using shr-unstable... |
| 22:00.11 | th0br0 | ah well, nvm :) |
| 22:00.46 | soul9 | yes, i am |
| 22:00.54 | soul9 | it works very well |
| 22:01.07 | th0br0 | yeah. I was now just wondering what distribution image you're using :) |
| 22:01.12 | th0br0 | some custom-made, or ... ? |
| 22:01.13 | soul9 | latest |
| 22:01.17 | soul9 | nah |
| 22:01.22 | soul9 | prebuilt |
| 22:01.31 | th0br0 | ah. |
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| 22:07.38 | brian__ | what no errors? |
| 22:07.45 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.12 | brian__ | if u move some shelf gadgets still no errors? |
| 22:08.31 | brian__ | is it todays image shr? |
| 22:11.58 | lunartear | I'm in serious need of help figuring out my problem with verizon/tmobile on a blackberry dealing with tcp connections in a vmware setup if anyone is knowledgable of that kind of environment |
| 22:13.41 | th0br0 | where to get the shr image? |
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| 22:23.51 | th0br0 | mmh... is there anything newer than 2008.12 that I could use for everyday life? shr-unstable maybe, or is that *too* unstable? |
| 22:24.39 | dns53 | shr is good, have not tried 2008.12 yet so i don't know how it compares |
| 22:24.45 | th0br0 | ah ok |
| 22:24.54 | th0br0 | so I can use shr-unstable w/o problems? |
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| 22:26.27 | dns53 | suspend does not seem to work most of the time |
| 22:27.34 | th0br0 | mmh...doesn't that cause the battery to be drained fast? |
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| 22:31.58 | th0br0 | right ... I think I'll give it a try. I fucked up my installation here anyway :D |
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