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| 00:01.59 | shaz | hi everyone |
| 00:02.38 | shaz | can anybody help me out with debugging som compilation and linking bug? |
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| 00:32.59 | Arg0naut | does anyone know of way to stop the phone from suspending when pythm is running? i'm using shr |
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| 01:00.53 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 02:49.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4893 10/developers/werner/wlan/freeze/ (. README r1.pl r2.pl tst): |
| 02:49.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Collection of scripts to try to reproduce the frozen station list and to |
| 02:49.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: analyze the results. |
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| 04:47.56 | slaxxin | bouncing moko |
| 04:48.15 | Dave | throws a rubber moko at slaxxin |
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| 04:49.38 | slaxxin | yikes |
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| 04:49.56 | slaxxin | watsup Dave |
| 04:50.13 | Dave | :p |
| 04:50.16 | Dave | not my mokos |
| 04:50.19 | Dave | that's for sure |
| 04:50.23 | slaxxin | ooo noos |
| 04:50.23 | Dave | pieces of crap :D |
| 04:50.35 | Dave | I may try out android on some of them later |
| 04:50.42 | Dave | but for now, after debugging shr, it's all blah |
| 04:50.47 | Dave | I've had enough for a little while |
| 04:50.47 | slaxxin | shr is tough right now |
| 04:50.52 | Dave | though I'm still developing on the side |
| 04:50.55 | Dave | my own apps and such |
| 04:51.23 | slaxxin | did u try 2008.12 at all? |
| 04:51.26 | Dave | N |
| 04:51.27 | Dave | No |
| 04:51.32 | Dave | It scares me :p |
| 04:51.39 | Dave | Man, 2008.X was horrible enough |
| 04:51.43 | Dave | I'm just like, fuck that shit. |
| 04:51.49 | Dave | But I probably should |
| 04:51.53 | slaxxin | well if u tired an just need a break |
| 04:51.55 | Dave | watch, it'll WSoD on first boot |
| 04:51.56 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.56 | Dave | :p |
| 04:51.59 | Dave | wouldn't that be grand |
| 04:52.29 | slaxxin | this is a complete change i promise u |
| 04:52.37 | Dave | uh huh ¬_¬ |
| 04:52.41 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.44 | Dave | Mind you, that's what they ALWAYS say |
| 04:52.47 | Dave | haha |
| 04:52.51 | Dave | remember the lightbulb joke? ;) |
| 04:52.55 | slaxxin | lol |
| 04:52.55 | Dave | speaking of which, I should add to that page |
| 04:53.00 | Dave | and/or link my OM bash quotes |
| 04:53.02 | Dave | that someone posted |
| 04:53.04 | Dave | :P |
| 04:54.07 | slaxxin | i tried the .28 kernel on 2008.12 an the phone dialed a connected but there was no sound |
| 04:54.41 | slaxxin | otherwise i have not been able to break it:) |
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| 04:55.07 | slaxxin | .24 kernel works all the way around |
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| 04:56.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: share that joke! |
| 04:59.14 | slaxxin | how many om programmers does it take..... |
| 04:59.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | ...? |
| 05:00.21 | rooly | all of them |
| 05:00.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm no programmer, so go ahead! ;) |
| 05:00.52 | rooly | is a programmer, but not an om programmer |
| 05:01.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | DAVE!!! |
| 05:02.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: !? you're cruel :-/ |
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| 05:05.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | how long shall I wait wondering about the point of this joke? not nice |
| 05:06.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | gnaahhh |
| 05:08.41 | mwester-laptop | thinks the joke is that Dave doesn't really have any freerunners at all! |
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| 05:26.52 | slaxxin | so crual |
| 05:27.08 | slaxxin | lol |
| 05:27.25 | slaxxin | messin 'round Doc |
| 05:28.40 | slaxxin | my om2008.12 is sweet |
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| 07:15.12 | bernt | Defiant-: compiling of kernel has finished successfully (took 6 h 20 min)! nearly 40 MB swap were used, so 512 MB is big enough. |
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| 07:33.55 | CVirus | bernt: what machine is that ? |
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| 08:09.40 | Defiant- | CVirus: freerunner |
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| 08:39.55 | Sjano | hello |
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| 08:40.57 | Sjano | I was just wondering, what licence is the Openmoko OS licenced under? can't seem to find it on the openmoko wiki |
| 08:41.37 | Sjano | (the main distro, like Om 2008.12 and so on) |
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| 08:43.31 | lindi- | Sjano: it consists of many programs with different licenses |
| 08:45.47 | Sjano | does that apply to like hardware drivers and so on too, or just some of the programs that comes with the distro? |
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| 08:48.29 | Sjano | Lets say that i'd like to edit it to work on my cheap chinese phone? and remove some parts and so on. are there some things i'm not allowed to edit and so on to distribute it? |
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| 08:59.32 | lindi- | Sjano: i think the goal is that you can do that, i don't know how careful they are with copyrights |
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| 09:02.22 | lindi- | Sjano: (disclamer: i am not using om's distro but debian) |
| 09:02.49 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:50.46 | soul9 | how do kernel upgrades from opkg work? |
| 09:50.55 | soul9 | does it flash the kernel itself? |
| 09:51.46 | ronny | afair yes |
| 09:51.52 | soul9 | nice |
| 09:51.58 | soul9 | ok, thanks |
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| 10:13.36 | Wonka | *grrrrrr* i have opened opkg.org in dillo on the FR, and when i "click" on a link, it just displays the link's href in the status bar |
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| 10:16.31 | Wonka | and midori is just unusable |
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| 10:17.30 | Defiant- | is it? midori works find here. ok...havn't used it that much |
| 10:17.34 | Wonka | because of the toolbar icons being way too big |
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| 10:17.37 | Wonka | and not configurable |
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| 10:59.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r142bb4fbc524 10/src/ (logger.vala main.vala monitor.vala obj.vala): |
| 10:59.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Logger uses Glib log functions |
| 10:59.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: moved logger and monitor to seperate files. |
| 10:59.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: added signal handler for usage, GSM, PDP, network |
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| 11:09.11 | tuxfreak | i have a problem. i can't create an access to my computer |
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| 11:11.49 | tuxfreak | i have a problem. i can't create an access to my computer |
| 11:11.55 | kstar | I'm trying to install SHR, following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 11:12.26 | kstar | I can't find the rootfs for FreeRunner here: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 11:12.26 | tuxfreak | i have a problem. i can't connect from openmoko to my computer |
| 11:13.17 | kstar | tuxfreak: Error message? |
| 11:13.23 | kstar | just got that working |
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| 11:14.26 | tuxfreak | no error message they don't find each other |
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| 11:44.20 | Pander | does anyone know how to view Qtopia's .pic files? |
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| 12:27.09 | kW | Hello, what has happened to http://projects.openmoko.org/ ? |
| 12:28.53 | dns | why? it's there, a few projects use it |
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| 12:30.20 | kW | dns: it is now offline for days... |
| 12:30.54 | dns | not for me |
| 12:31.31 | kW | mhh... |
| 12:32.26 | henk | works for me as well |
| 12:32.26 | kW | weird |
| 12:33.16 | kW | restarting the local caching DNS server, then it works (the local caching DNS server reported "SERVFAIL") |
| 12:34.38 | kW | maybe that servfail was cached for too long... |
| 12:34.43 | kW | thank you anyway :-) |
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| 13:38.05 | jopk | hi |
| 13:39.46 | jopk | I'm using tangogps and gpssight on freerunner with shr. With tangogps I get a fix in a minute, but gps sight fixes never, it only desplayes sometimes "gps time" |
| 13:40.08 | jopk | any ideas why gps sight is not working? |
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| 13:44.51 | joenix | Hi everybody, I'm thinking of being a FreeRunner, but would like to see it in real life first. Is anyone here from Belgium, Leuven/Brussels area? |
| 13:45.10 | joenix | buying :) |
| 13:46.16 | alephnull | Wonder what it's be like, being a FR. |
| 13:47.15 | alephnull | Can't sleep, you're cranky, you keep getting probed ... |
| 13:48.40 | Weiss | hehe |
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| 13:56.52 | kstar | TangoGPS isn't fixing for me. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:57.40 | kstar | Is there some way I can monitor the GPS status? |
| 13:57.47 | kstar | messages, particularly? |
| 13:58.15 | Defiant- | kstar: gpspipe -r will print the NMEA codes |
| 13:58.26 | mickeyl | which distro? |
| 13:58.43 | Defiant- | kstar: you use your device outside a building, right? |
| 13:58.50 | mickeyl | zhone diagnostic tool has a quite amazing gps monitor |
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| 14:01.14 | kstar | Defiant-: Ah, ok... I need to do that. Will go out and try |
| 14:01.23 | kstar | is a GPSn00b - first time |
| 14:01.33 | kstar | Defiant-: But |
| 14:01.51 | kstar | Defiant-: I got a gpspipe command not found and opkg install gpspipe didn't work |
| 14:02.41 | Defiant- | kstar: try gps-utils |
| 14:03.09 | kstar | Defiant-: Ah, thanks. |
| 14:04.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | Defiant-: try zhone diag tool |
| 14:05.30 | Defiant- | I don't have zhone installed |
| 14:05.49 | Dave | waves to Joerg |
| 14:06.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | hugs Dave |
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| 14:09.40 | Dave | Aw :) |
| 14:09.59 | Dave | Joerg, I'll tell you a funny story about transformers that happened in lab yesterday :P |
| 14:10.14 | Dave | let's just say some noob forgot about mutual inductance :D |
| 14:10.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, go ahead. I adore funny stories |
| 14:10.43 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03peter 07zhone * r2f497ca84417 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): rename error page to alert |
| 14:10.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03peter 07zhone * r15a1c106b95e 10/src/zhone: show error/warning when SIM is full |
| 14:10.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03peter 07zhone * r80d85c2faff7 10/src/zhone: send and receive USSD messages |
| 14:10.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03peter 07zhone * r6afaf3c15aa0 10/src/zhone: send DTMF tones immediately |
| 14:12.01 | Dave | Maybe later, I have to head out to a meeting now :) |
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| 14:13.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: ok |
| 14:18.02 | kstar | Is this some problem with my config or with the repos? I do an opkg update and I get a "Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/all/Packages.sig, error 404" and a Signature check failed |
| 14:18.29 | kstar | Oh, and BTW, the stroll out of my building didn't get the GPS to catch the signal. Could it be because my phone time is not set correctly? |
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| 14:35.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | kstar: if you are using AGPS and have internet connection to dl ephem + alm, you actually should have correct system time (and timezone) |
| 14:36.13 | kstar | Okay |
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| 16:06.12 | SM2k | anybody know how to interface with the NEO Freerunner over USB console? |
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| 16:07.18 | lindi- | SM2k: picocom /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 16:08.29 | SM2k | lindi-, thanks. |
| 16:09.15 | kstar | I do an opkg update and I get a "Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/all/Packages.sig, error 404". Any solutions? |
| 16:09.47 | Ainulindale | That's normal. |
| 16:10.18 | Ainulindale | kstar: and you should flash unstable b y the way, testing hasn't been update for a while, we'll soon pour unstable into it |
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| 16:10.38 | SM2k | lindi-, I'm following this sequence: boot phone into nor mode. plug in USB cable. (on desktop) execute picocom /dev/ttyACM0, (on freerunner) "Set console to USB". phone returns to uboot menu after a moment and nothing happens on the picocom side. |
| 16:11.44 | kstar | Ainulindale: Can I upgrade from testing to unstable like we do in Debian? |
| 16:12.17 | lindi- | SM2k: it returns to menu always anyway, it is not related to the console |
| 16:12.20 | kstar | Ainulindale: But assuming I remain on testing, is the signature check not a fatal error? |
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| 16:12.44 | SM2k | lindi-, gotcha. ok, now that I've got the console up, will the freerunner time out and shut off still? |
| 16:13.17 | Ainulindale | kstar: not at all |
| 16:13.31 | Ainulindale | kstar: and no, for testing => unstable, there are too many changes |
| 16:13.45 | kstar | Ainulindale: Oh, okay. |
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| 16:18.15 | lindi- | SM2k: i think uboot source code has that timeout |
| 16:18.22 | lindi- | SM2k: so you need to modify it to override it |
| 16:18.24 | SM2k | it does indeed time out. |
| 16:18.36 | lindi- | SM2k: please git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git and grep for "seconds" |
| 16:18.46 | dos1 | lindi-: what timeout? |
| 16:18.58 | lindi- | the timeout was compile-time |
| 16:19.43 | SM2k | lindi-, no worries. just trying to get myself set up with a good devel environment for the freerunner. I have no specific need for messing with the timeout per se. |
| 16:21.16 | SM2k | lindi-, I started out trying to compile apps for qemu emulation yesteray, but that seemed to be quite an investment. my ultimate goal is to get apps onto the phone anyways. |
| 16:22.43 | SM2k | I assume compiling apps for the phone still involves a stack of deps compiled for ARM, correct? |
| 16:23.21 | lindi- | SM2k: there are many ways |
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| 16:23.45 | lindi- | SM2k: qemubuilder + distcc'd cross-compilers are the easiest way with debian at least |
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| 16:24.00 | SM2k | doesn't have access to distcc atm |
| 16:24.01 | lindi- | SM2k: with om2008.12 you are supposed to use bitbake |
| 16:24.22 | lindi- | (or mokomakefile which is supposed to make bitbake easy to use) |
| 16:24.30 | SM2k | lindi-, I was using mokomakefile |
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| 16:29.56 | SM2k | lindi-, I was following the steps on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Customizing_the_Openmoko_Distribution ... is there any difference wether I'm ultimately targeting qemu or a physical device? |
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| 16:33.22 | lindi- | SM2k: not afaik |
| 16:34.39 | xteraco | anybody test out 2008.12? |
| 16:35.25 | SM2k | I've noticed that the images found on downloads.openmoko.org don't seem to work so well in QEMU, yet the images found on http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ do seem to work, hence my question. |
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| 16:37.01 | gfather | hello guys |
| 16:37.18 | gfather | anyone feel that the voice sound is toooooo low ? |
| 16:37.25 | gfather | how can i raise it up ? |
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| 16:46.36 | lindi- | gfather: amixer sset PCM 255 |
| 16:46.43 | lindi- | gfather: just like on your PC |
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| 16:51.36 | ailaG | is there a phone that runs openmoko and supports multitouch? (and all in all supports "cool toys" like the iphone for exmaple does) |
| 16:51.53 | lindi- | ailaG: why would you want to run openmoko distro? ;) |
| 16:52.39 | ailaG | i want a new phone that doesnt just have a few neat features under some limitations, i want to be able to fix the limitations myself |
| 16:53.16 | soul9 | ailaG: no, there is none. i don't even think there is a device that has drivers for linux and does multitouch... |
| 16:53.33 | gfather | lindi- just like my pc ? |
| 16:53.37 | gfather | :") |
| 16:53.40 | lindi- | gfather: yeah |
| 16:53.40 | ailaG | it feels like when you buy a phone you either get a bad messy bunch of things (eg nokia) or a limited amount of cool features that you may or may not like (iphone) |
| 16:53.54 | ailaG | i want to have an "iphone" that i can control :) |
| 16:54.18 | lindi- | ailaG: you better pay more for developers then |
| 16:54.25 | ailaG | so with this in mind, and without multitouch, is openmoko / freerunner for me? |
| 16:54.33 | ailaG | i can program |
| 16:54.39 | lindi- | ailaG: depends |
| 16:54.55 | ailaG | and with opensource there's a good chance someone has already programmed features that i want |
| 16:54.59 | lindi- | ailaG: i don't like the openmoko distro, i use debian. however, i use the same kernel and X as others |
| 16:55.25 | ailaG | debian on the phone? |
| 16:55.35 | ailaG | i might be mixing the term openmoko with the hardware, not used to it yet :) |
| 16:55.47 | gfather | aliaG u seem not visting the wiki site like forever |
| 16:55.52 | lindi- | ailaG: yep, it's 400MHz processor with 128M ram |
| 16:55.58 | lindi- | ailaG: so why not |
| 16:56.14 | lindi- | ailaG: openmoko is the name of company, distro and hardware product line |
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| 16:56.48 | ailaG | gfather i just googled a little, remembered the name openmoko from a lecture |
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| 16:57.45 | ailaG | so what are the hardware alternatives? i.e. what do i buy? |
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| 16:58.06 | ailaG | opensource phone software obviously wont run on my current nokia :) |
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| 16:58.31 | lindi- | ailaG: i do not know about many others that'd have gsm chip |
| 16:58.45 | gfather | ailaG but remember , its not yet for end users |
| 16:59.25 | gfather | and most of iamges are still not 100% working , so if u want to get to have fun doing stuff on it get it , if u want to get it for every day use , its still not yet for that |
| 17:00.30 | ailaG | if they sell freerunner on websites without mentioning "developers only" then one assumes it's for end users too.. |
| 17:00.45 | ailaG | i'll wait i guess |
| 17:01.44 | ailaG | i program and all but i don't wanna spend all my time on helping the project .. thought there'd be somethign that lets me have a phone i can configure already :) |
| 17:01.49 | ailaG | thanks |
| 17:02.30 | dos1 | ailaG: i'm sometimes using it as my main phone |
| 17:03.17 | gfather | i use it as my main phone :) |
| 17:03.31 | gfather | i only make some calls and get some calls , |
| 17:03.42 | ailaG | i want one phone that works and that i can improve if it's not comfortable enough |
| 17:03.50 | dent | I also use it as a daily phone, but it's far from 100% working |
| 17:03.59 | dos1 | ailaG: so SHR will be good for you |
| 17:04.20 | ailaG | from small features like shortcuts (it takes 7-10 clicks to put my nokia on advanced silent!) to installations of thigns a bit more complicated than little java games |
| 17:04.25 | dent | ailaG: I suggest you wait... and maybe later buy the FR |
| 17:04.29 | ailaG | SHR? |
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| 17:04.45 | dent | ailaG: one of the distros |
| 17:05.00 | lindi- | dent: what issues do you have? |
| 17:05.02 | ailaG | how long do you think i should wait? my current phone is sort of old and dying |
| 17:06.05 | lindi- | ailaG: depends on how much patience and skills you have |
| 17:06.11 | dent | well, I guess SHR might have progressed, I should reflash... but: when somebody calls me, I obvisously see the number only |
| 17:06.22 | dent | there's this buzz/echo |
| 17:06.38 | dent | smses only on SIM (=10 smses is the limit for me) |
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| 17:06.55 | dent | more of them; I guess I could plish some easily, but unfortunately I'm all the time busy with other things :-/ |
| 17:07.23 | dent | also I prefer to stick with SHR rather than... trey something like qtopia/whatever that might work better in this regard |
| 17:07.38 | dos1 | dent: name on incoming call is on shr-unstable for some time |
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| 17:07.47 | dos1 | dent: buzz/echo is one line fix to frameworkd |
| 17:08.09 | dos1 | dent: smses only on SIM (for me 20 smses) - opimd will be soon |
| 17:08.09 | dent | as for shr-unstable: I no longer dare, as FR is currently my only phone |
| 17:08.19 | dent | and an update can easily screw all :-/ |
| 17:08.23 | dos1 | dent: and shr-unstable is realy stable |
| 17:08.28 | dos1 | dent: i'm updating it every day |
| 17:08.57 | dent | well, slow down... I mostly understand the situation, and I anckowledge that if I invested moe time into FR, it would have worked better |
| 17:08.57 | dos1 | dent: and it works good ;) |
| 17:09.18 | dent | I'm jsut saying I don't think it's for some1 like ailaG (as he expressed what he expectf of it) |
| 17:09.46 | lindi- | dent: are you sending AT%N187 after every call? |
| 17:09.55 | ailaG | (ailaG = she) |
| 17:10.09 | dent | dos1: I might give shr-unstable another try, thanks for info |
| 17:10.10 | dos1 | dent: i'm using SHR as daily phone, and it works better than QtExtended and OM2008.x |
| 17:10.12 | dent | ailaG: sorry :) |
| 17:10.15 | ailaG | :) |
| 17:10.29 | dent | lindi-: never dived deep enough... I don't know :-/ |
| 17:10.34 | dent | anyway I'm not complaining here :) |
| 17:10.36 | dos1 | dent: only thing i miss is PIM |
| 17:10.37 | dent | shuts up |
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| 17:10.52 | dos1 | dent: but it will be soon |
| 17:11.25 | dent | btw... is there any console app for sending/reading smses? |
| 17:11.41 | dent | (using FSO) |
| 17:12.15 | ailaG | i guess that the next time i'm in the usa, if i'm in a place that sells it, i'll ask them. that way i can also see the device before i buy it. i bet it'll take a while until it's sold here. |
| 17:12.45 | dent | ailaG: outta pure curiosity... where's "here"? |
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| 17:13.52 | ailaG | israel |
| 17:14.28 | gfather | ailaG> then help me in bidi languages |
| 17:14.37 | gfather | im working on to support bidi languages |
| 17:14.50 | ailaG | i read that it already supports it.. but ok :) |
| 17:14.57 | ailaG | let me know what i can do |
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| 17:15.31 | gfather | well u have to get one to help |
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| 17:17.14 | ailaG | i thought i can install the software on a computer as well |
| 17:18.47 | dent | should be possible... I tried with 2008.x |
| 17:19.34 | ailaG | and i'd get one but $400 for something that doesn't always work is too much |
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| 17:20.05 | ailaG | and we said i shoudl wait :) |
| 17:20.34 | dent | ailaG: it does work most of the time; currently the missing PIM is the worst issue for ordinary phone use |
| 17:20.51 | ailaG | there's at least one israeli developer with an opensource phone - the one who gave the lecture i mentioned on openmoko |
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| 17:32.02 | Mononoke | hmm asu makefile also forkbombs the system :/ |
| 17:32.24 | slaxxin | is it shr? |
| 17:33.28 | Mononoke | nope it's some configure script. I have to run it with only one thread to see which one is it |
| 17:40.20 | Wonka | aaargh. now i know what i'm missing on my laptop's screen... |
| 17:40.26 | Wonka | the illume-keyboard! |
| 17:40.30 | Wonka | D'Oh! |
| 17:40.50 | slaxxin | try the latest 2008.12 |
| 17:41.00 | Wonka | on my _laptop_'s screen. |
| 17:41.04 | Wonka | not on my FR |
| 17:41.09 | slaxxin | oo |
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| 17:42.21 | Fougner | Dave!!!!! |
| 17:42.47 | dos1 | slaxxin: illume keyboard? only with illume or shr theme! :P |
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| 17:48.18 | Fougner | ey how to configure uboot to use a >2mb kernel? |
| 17:48.35 | univac | 2mb embedded device kernel? ;p |
| 17:48.38 | univac | big |
| 17:50.24 | Fougner | univac, I want to try out Android |
| 17:50.53 | Fougner | ey where are the austrian guys? :D |
| 17:52.22 | soul9 | there was a website for the openmoko-android project iirc? |
| 17:52.32 | soul9 | there is a moko supplier who is working on the port, no? |
| 17:54.37 | gfather | lindi- i get unable to find simple controle 'pcm' , 0 |
| 17:56.46 | slaxxin | what keyboard ir this? |
| 17:56.49 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
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| 18:00.03 | Mononoke | qemu-native_0.9.1.bb, do_configure - runs a lot of pkg-config glib-config processes |
| 18:00.49 | slaxxin | http://dl.linuxphone.ru/openmoko/repository/gnome-mplayer/ |
| 18:01.26 | lindi- | gfather: PCM? |
| 18:01.31 | Fougner | If I install Qi, it's as easy as flashing, and then ready to go, right? |
| 18:01.38 | gfather | lindi-> ? |
| 18:01.51 | gfather | <lindi-> gfather: amixer sset PCM 255 |
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| 18:02.37 | lindi- | gfather: but you used pcm? |
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| 18:17.18 | gfather | ah soeey :) |
| 18:18.31 | gfather | lindi- thats external speakers or internal one ? |
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| 18:26.32 | lindi- | gfather: it's the hifi codec, you can redirect it anywhere you like |
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| 18:30.32 | gfather | lindi- im confuced |
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| 18:31.33 | lindi- | gfather: 92 alsa controls can be bit confusing yes |
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| 18:32.04 | gfather | i just wanna raise the volume of calls |
| 18:32.15 | gfather | becouse i bearlly can hear anything |
| 18:32.18 | lindi- | gfather: calls, then it's not PCM |
| 18:32.51 | gfather | whats should i use ? |
| 18:32.52 | lindi- | gfather: adjust 'Speaker Playback Volume' |
| 18:33.04 | gfather | :s |
| 18:34.41 | gfather | is that in settings or terminal ? |
| 18:34.57 | dos1 | gfather: alsamixer |
| 18:34.59 | lindi- | gfather: that is the name of the alsa control |
| 18:35.06 | lindi- | gfather: are you familiar with alsa? |
| 18:35.10 | gfather | no |
| 18:35.28 | dos1 | gfather: why have you buyed freerunner? |
| 18:36.11 | gfather | i only have it for 1 day m8 |
| 18:36.25 | lindi- | gfather: i suggest you learn alsa first |
| 18:36.29 | gfather | dos1 so i dont think u know what do in 1 day |
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| 18:37.14 | dos1 | gfather: it was kind of out of topic :P |
| 18:37.40 | dos1 | gfather: but i think some basics of linux you should know before you buyed FR |
| 18:37.45 | gfather | i just want to raise the volume up , damn :) |
| 18:38.07 | gfather | yah , never had to configure sound volume on linux before |
| 18:38.11 | dos1 | gfather: but it's only my opinion ;) |
| 18:38.18 | gfather | its easy , u see the volume bar , u raise it up , lool |
| 18:38.30 | lindi- | gfather: well, why not use the same volume bar herE? |
| 18:38.52 | dos1 | gfather: you should read about alsactl (storing and restoring) and take look in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
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| 18:40.20 | gfather | lindi- i have fso image , no bar in it :) |
| 18:40.40 | dos1 | gfather: at least you should read wiki and mail lists ;] |
| 18:40.44 | lindi- | gfather: install it or switch the distro :) |
| 18:41.06 | dos1 | gfather: there is some GUI (i think it is called fso-mixer) for controlling audio volume |
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| 18:44.48 | gfather | ill chek them out |
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| 18:49.49 | Mononoke | I'm suposed to talk about Mokomakefile here or on #openmoko-cdevel ? |
| 18:50.30 | dos1 | Mononoke: some problems? if yes, i think cdevel will be more suitable |
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| 18:54.49 | SM2k_ | does the openmoko run an ssh server by default? |
| 18:55.47 | ailaG | bye bye |
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| 18:56.06 | dos1 | SM2k_: yes, dropbear |
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| 18:57.49 | SM2k_ | dos1, running 2008.12... my freerunner probably decided it's IP was 192.168.0.202... any idea how to connect it to my local WLAN? |
| 18:58.45 | max_posedon | SM2k_, NAT?(iptables?) |
| 18:58.54 | dos1 | SM2k_: firstly - 2008.x is a crap ;) secondly, 192.168.0.202 is for usb0 connection |
| 18:59.08 | slaxxin | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 18:59.08 | slaxxin | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 18:59.08 | slaxxin | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:59.28 | slaxxin | iwlint eth0 scan first |
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| 18:59.56 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 19:00.24 | henk | SM2k_: the usb connection usually doesn't work properly on the first boot. i don't know if the wiki mentions that?! |
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| 19:00.58 | slaxxin | reboot 1 time |
| 19:01.34 | Kurisutian | Hi! Is there anyone here that can help me to get a ssh access to my freerunner phone? I exactly followed the wiki guide but I cannot get a ssh connection and I have no idea why... :-( |
| 19:02.39 | SM2k_ | Henk, I've been reading thru the wiki but I must have missed that section. is there a link I can go RTFM? :-) |
| 19:04.37 | henk | Kurisutian, SM2k_: describe the problems. use a pastebin for the error messages. |
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| 19:06.05 | Kurisutian | well, I did set up the usb0 interface and I could ping the phone getting a response. But as soon as I want to create the ssh connection it tells me that there is not route to host.... |
| 19:07.11 | henk | Kurisutian: is that the first boot after flashing? |
| 19:07.20 | Kurisutian | yes |
| 19:07.36 | henk | 200023 < henk> SM2k_: the usb connection usually doesn't work properly on the first boot. i don't know if the wiki mentions that?! |
| 19:07.37 | SM2k_ | I'm personally trying to figure out what ubuntu package provides iwlint, which slaxxin mentioned |
| 19:07.55 | dos1 | SM2k_: it should be iwlist i think |
| 19:08.03 | SM2k_ | henk, I haven't even gotten the desktop to the point where it's willing to route over USB |
| 19:08.05 | dos1 | SM2k_: and on neo side |
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| 19:09.13 | SM2k_ | does anybody know where the USB networking page is so I can read up on this instead of wasting your time? :-) |
| 19:09.25 | henk | SM2k_: your desktop is on ubuntu? what do you mean by 'route over usb'? are you trying to use your neo as a sort of router to a wireless network or routing the neo over your desktop? |
| 19:09.50 | henk | SM2k_: 195956 < max_posedon> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:10.47 | SM2k_ | henk, I assume that if the freerunner uses USB as it's routing, and I've plugged the USB into the USB port on my desktop, then I must set up the desktop to in some way route to the usb interface? |
| 19:11.18 | SM2k_ | I'm actually just trying to get an ssh connection to the freerunner |
| 19:11.27 | SM2k_ | and thank you for the link |
| 19:11.41 | henk | SM2k_: if you want the freerunner to be able to connect to the internet, yes. |
| 19:11.51 | Kurisutian | OK, I rebooted the device and did connect it again. Also did bring the usb0 interface up. Pinging with ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 gives me a response but the ssh access still doesn't work.... |
| 19:11.52 | cjb | ifconfig sets up routes automatically |
| 19:11.57 | henk | SM2k_: actually you have to thank max_posedon, i just copied what he said. |
| 19:12.06 | SM2k_ | :-) |
| 19:12.31 | cjb | so you do "ifconfig usb0 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" or whatever, and you'll get a route to 192.168.100.* via usb0 |
| 19:12.54 | lindi- | cjb: that is one of the misfeatures of ifconfig indeed :) |
| 19:13.16 | gfather | SM2k_ there is a script i use , u get instant connecion without modifying ur settings |
| 19:13.29 | henk | Kurisutian: what are the routes of your desktop computer? paste the output of 'ip route' and 'ip addr' or 'ifconfig' and 'route -n' |
| 19:14.36 | SM2k_ | henk: ok, following the instructions on that page works for me. :-) thanks |
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| 19:14.58 | SM2k_ | gfather, as in your script restores the routing tables later? |
| 19:15.08 | gfather | yes |
| 19:15.10 | gfather | sudo wget -O /usr/bin/fr_usb http://om.quatrox.org/om/fr_usb.sh |
| 19:15.21 | gfather | sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/fr_usb |
| 19:15.30 | gfather | sudo fr_usb |
| 19:15.30 | gfather | ;) |
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| 19:16.05 | henk | s,/usr,&/local, please :-/ |
| 19:16.47 | SM2k_ | gfather, thanks |
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| 19:17.06 | Kurisutian | henk: ifconfig output is here: http://pastebin.com/d3ac3971c and route -n outpu here: http://pastebin.com/d6c5351e8 |
| 19:17.49 | henk | gfather: you are violating the fhs 'evillook' ;) |
| 19:18.10 | max_posedon | he-he |
| 19:18.19 | henk | Kurisutian: see that? |
| 19:18.33 | max_posedon | Kurisutian, don't do |
| 19:18.41 | Kurisutian | see what? |
| 19:18.42 | max_posedon | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:18.48 | gfather | SM2k_ anytime |
| 19:18.57 | max_posedon | you should do ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 19:19.09 | max_posedon | (or/and) add custom route |
| 19:19.11 | henk | Kurisutian: you have the same network on two hardware interfaces. |
| 19:19.24 | max_posedon | route add 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:19.40 | max_posedon | and of course "192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0" |
| 19:19.52 | Kurisutian | OK, I see.... hmmmm I totally missed that..... shame on me.... |
| 19:19.54 | max_posedon | this route should be deleted in your configuration |
| 19:20.58 | henk | cjb: that's why one should use 'ip', i guess :) |
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| 19:21.08 | Kurisutian | OK, thanks a lot, it's working now.... I kinda feel stupid now, too.... ;-) |
| 19:23.28 | gfather | SM2k_ did it work ? |
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| 19:24.09 | SM2k_ | gfather, I'm already up and running, so I'll try your script later. thanks tho. |
| 19:26.03 | gfather | :S |
| 19:26.10 | gfather | :) |
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| 19:40.56 | Hajmola | i wonder if we'll be able to get Palm's WebOS running on the gta02 |
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| 20:00.31 | zem_ | hi |
| 20:04.22 | soul9 | man, palm really wrote an os in javascript?! |
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| 20:10.20 | zem_ | soul9: I don't know, for what tasks can you use an os in Javascript? |
| 20:10.29 | soul9 | heh |
| 20:10.34 | soul9 | i wonder.. |
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| 20:11.48 | zem_ | if you switch the wording javascript for Palm OS it would make sense. |
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| 20:12.19 | soul9 | zem_: whaa? |
| 20:12.28 | soul9 | zem_: you mean the os is not in javascript? |
| 20:13.24 | zem_ | zem_: just a guess! |
| 20:21.51 | gfather | guys how to get c compiler in fso or om |
| 20:22.31 | cjb | opkg install gcc |
| 20:23.50 | gfather | thanks |
| 20:25.03 | gfather | <cjb> didnt work |
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| 20:27.52 | Sharwin_F | Is there any chess (with GUI) package? |
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| 20:31.07 | soul9 | gnuchess |
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| 20:35.11 | Sharwin_F | soul9, but it goes inside terminal |
| 20:35.33 | soul9 | hm |
| 20:35.46 | soul9 | oh, i see |
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| 20:35.58 | soul9 | i thinkn gnuchess needs a frontend |
| 20:39.40 | soul9 | gah dfu_upload error -84 |
| 20:39.49 | Sharwin_F | having a chess wih a nice GUi would be great :D |
| 20:39.54 | soul9 | i get this all the time |
| 20:40.07 | gfather | guys any help with gcc |
| 20:40.22 | soul9 | opkg list |grep gcc |
| 20:40.35 | soul9 | opkg list |grep gnuchess |
| 20:40.37 | soul9 | ;-) |
| 20:42.15 | zem_ | gfather: if gcc is not available in your package repository you can still try compiling one. bitbake is your friend. |
| 20:42.21 | Defiant- | debian comes with both :P |
| 20:43.22 | gfather | i have libgcc1 - 4.xxx.xxx |
| 20:44.37 | gfather | so why its giving me error |
| 20:45.48 | gfather | ;S |
| 20:46.04 | lindi- | gfather: what is? |
| 20:47.07 | gfather | im trying to compile something on fso image , and when i configure i get , |
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| 20:48.05 | gfather | configure: error : no acceptable C compiler found in $path |
| 20:49.07 | lindi- | gfather: $path? that should be $PATH |
| 20:49.36 | gfather | yah , becouse im writing it :) |
| 20:49.57 | gfather | no copy in putty |
| 20:51.49 | gfather | maybe because im trying to compile the wronge thing |
| 20:52.07 | lindi- | gfather: I'm sure you can copy text in putty |
| 20:52.21 | gfather | anyone can help me to find fribifi for openembeded |
| 20:52.30 | gfather | sorry , thats fribidi |
| 20:53.47 | zem_ | gfather: you have a strange putty when it is unable to copy |
| 20:53.57 | gfather | yes |
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| 20:54.14 | lindi- | i'd fix that first :) |
| 20:54.20 | gfather | when i press ctrl+c it just get a new line |
| 20:54.24 | gfather | :) |
| 20:55.09 | zem_ | gfather: that is putty not $INSERTAPPHERE |
| 20:56.07 | zem_ | gfather: you can't use ctrl+c in a unix terminal to copy because it already has a function |
| 20:56.39 | gfather | so whats the coppy command |
| 20:57.12 | lindi- | AppendMenu(m, MF_ENABLED, IDM_COPYALL, "C&opy All to Clipboard"); |
| 20:57.51 | lindi- | assuming you use windows |
| 20:58.45 | zem_ | gfather: the fucking manual tells you just to mark your text with your mouse |
| 20:58.57 | zem_ | ;-) |
| 21:00.03 | gfather | <zem_ tried that the first thing , didnt work |
| 21:00.15 | gfather | but thats not the problem |
| 21:00.42 | zem_ | gfather: oh yea I remember the compiler |
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| 21:01.17 | gfather | yes :) thats the problem |
| 21:01.25 | zem_ | gfather: as far as I can see you have the following solutions... |
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| 21:02.37 | zem_ | gfather: you can install debian on the SD card. This is a Desktop distribution and is shiped with a C compiler |
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| 21:03.07 | gfather | but i want to compile it on fso to add bidi support |
| 21:03.45 | zem_ | gfather: second solution... |
| 21:04.10 | Tig| | or gentoo :P |
| 21:05.04 | zem_ | gfather: you install a linux on your Desktop and use Bitbake to compile everything you want |
| 21:05.07 | lindi- | zem_: desktop distribution? |
| 21:06.49 | zem_ | lindi-: you know, classic nonembedded distribution.... |
| 21:08.20 | gfather | i think i can solve it if i found an openembeded fribidi |
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| 21:23.02 | bmm | Is it normal that the Packages.sig file can not be found in the repositories? |
| 21:23.27 | Tig| | yes |
| 21:23.36 | bmm | thanks |
| 21:23.42 | Tig| | non of the repos have got them generated at the moment |
| 21:24.03 | Tig| | perfectly safe to ignore |
| 21:24.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4894 10/developers/werner/wlan/freeze/ (README r2ch.py r3ch-plot): New tools to mine the data for the channels involved. |
| 21:24.07 | bmm | yeah, saw that.. but thought I'd ask, just to be sure ;) |
| 21:24.44 | Tig| | yeah :) it would be nice but when things get more stable they will probably start generating them |
| 21:25.28 | DieMumiee | is it normal that openmoko kills a winxp when plugged in? |
| 21:26.24 | DieMumiee | did that at the company today, and got a blue screen right away, and then after every reboot untill I unplugged the neo fr |
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| 21:27.18 | DieMumiee | nm, just found a ticket on trac |
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| 21:28.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4895 10/developers/werner/wlan/freeze/ (README r3ch-plot): |
| 21:28.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Bah, r3ch-plot obviously can't use a pipe as input. Corrected faulty logic |
| 21:28.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: and README. |
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| 21:34.00 | Sharwin_F | mmm ow do I know the filesystem type of my microsdcard? In my PC I'd use "df -Th", but OM's df doesn't support -T parameter... |
| 21:34.44 | unknown_lamer | mount ? |
| 21:34.55 | unknown_lamer | (as in just run `mount' with no args) |
| 21:35.55 | henk | just use 'df' without arguments? |
| 21:39.28 | unknown_lamer | henk: df doesn't show the fs type without -T (and ... apparantly busybox df can't do -T) |
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| 21:39.58 | henk | ah duh filesystem type... sorry :) |
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| 21:47.41 | soul9 | i think it's worth it to use ext4 for the root, no? sounds like it's way better on flash than ext3 |
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| 21:48.53 | Tig| | I thought most distros were running ext2 or am I behind the times again |
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| 21:49.16 | Tig| | on the FR not in general :) |
| 21:49.46 | henk | in flash: jffs2, on sd: ext[23] |
| 21:52.06 | soul9 | but jffs2 is acontainer, no? |
| 21:52.12 | soul9 | hmmm |
| 21:52.16 | soul9 | just roun mount.. |
| 21:52.23 | soul9 | run* |
| 21:53.01 | henk | hm, it is? |
| 21:54.10 | soul9 | no |
| 21:54.14 | soul9 | i guess not? |
| 21:54.22 | soul9 | dunno, just turned on my fr |
| 21:54.32 | dns | you mount jffs2 on a loop back device |
| 21:55.29 | bmm | If I want to complain that wpa_supplicant does "sed --quiet" in /etc/if-post-down.d/wpasupplicant, where should I post that? (this version of sed doesn't support the --quiet switch) |
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| 21:58.22 | soul9 | what distro? |
| 21:58.23 | soul9 | :-) |
| 21:58.37 | bmm | soul9: Om.2008.12 |
| 21:59.11 | soul9 | wow |
| 21:59.17 | soul9 | you got that thing working? |
| 21:59.21 | bmm | just got his phone today and already wants to post bug reports |
| 21:59.42 | soul9 | :-) |
| 21:59.44 | soul9 | good |
| 21:59.51 | soul9 | i guess trac then |
| 22:00.26 | bmm | soul9: Ok, I'll go fish around in the trac |
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| 22:06.07 | bmm | HAha, trac has a warning: Warning: <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0xb6312d0c> |
| 22:07.42 | bmm | soul9: the wpa_supplicant had a ticket already and is also already fixed ;) |
| 22:16.01 | soul9 | bmm: nice :-) |
| 22:16.04 | soul9 | oss for ya |
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| 22:16.19 | soul9 | anyone know where i could find a doc about installing qi? |
| 22:16.56 | dns | flash it how you would flash uboot |
| 22:17.15 | soul9 | and where is the binary? |
| 22:17.22 | soul9 | (is there a binary?) |
| 22:17.35 | dns | on the wiki page for qi |
| 22:17.47 | soul9 | man... |
| 22:17.53 | soul9 | i've read and re-read that |
| 22:18.00 | soul9 | i'm really unattentive |
| 22:18.07 | soul9 | lemme try once more :-) |
| 22:18.36 | soul9 | ok, found it |
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| 22:30.28 | Ventolinmono | hi need some help to make my GTA02 connect with USB to the internet, somebody? |
| 22:30.45 | Ventolinmono | i already make the connection with the host computer |
| 22:31.09 | Ventolinmono | but i have failed to configure the DNS |
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| 22:33.20 | Tig| | Ventolinmono, DNS is done on the phone iself |
| 22:33.22 | Tig| | itself |
| 22:33.36 | emsyr | Ventolinmono: which distro do you use? |
| 22:33.55 | Tig| | all you need to do is edit /etc/resolv.conf and add the following line |
| 22:33.55 | Ventolinmono | on the phone openmoko |
| 22:33.59 | Ventolinmono | on the host ubuntu |
| 22:34.09 | Tig| | nameserver your.nameserver.ip.here |
| 22:34.12 | emsyr | 2008.12 |
| 22:34.14 | emsyr | ? |
| 22:34.16 | Tig| | save the file and that is it |
| 22:34.49 | Tig| | but obviously put your nameserver IP in |
| 22:35.19 | Tig| | have you also configured the forwarding on the ubuntu box |
| 22:35.22 | Ventolinmono | no its 2007.2 |
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| 22:36.42 | emsyr | I suggest that you install 2008.12 first. |
| 22:36.53 | emsyr | 2007 is no longer supported |
| 22:37.03 | emsyr | Is it a new freerunner? |
| 22:38.09 | Ventolinmono | yes new |
| 22:38.16 | Ventolinmono | as im on linux =( |
| 22:38.39 | emsyr | Welcome... |
| 22:39.27 | emsyr | in the exciting world of gnu/linux |
| 22:39.27 | Ventolinmono | thanks, yes i was going to but scince its more complicated i was practicing at least to connect it |
| 22:40.03 | emsyr | That's the first step you should do. |
| 22:40.14 | Ventolinmono | ok |
| 22:40.19 | Ventolinmono | im going to do that |
| 22:40.21 | Ventolinmono | thankyou |
| 22:40.32 | emsyr | The second step is to flash the FR with OM 2008.12 |
| 22:41.04 | emsyr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update |
| 22:41.30 | Ventolinmono | ok if i hace communication between my host and the freerunner thats what i need to do the update righ? |
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| 22:42.16 | emsyr | Yes. |
| 22:42.25 | Ventolinmono | ok cool |
| 22:42.34 | emsyr | Read this one too : http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-3.html |
| 22:42.53 | emsyr | Same thing. |
| 22:45.00 | Ventolinmono | thanks emsyr |
| 22:45.36 | emsyr | You 're welcome... |
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| 22:54.05 | henkie_ | hi, are there already images available without the echo problem? |
| 22:54.56 | Tig| | I think SHR images might now have the patch on, it is not difficult to add on |
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| 23:14.59 | Dave | Tig :o |
| 23:16.25 | Tig| | 'ning Dave |
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| 23:23.59 | badcloud | hey all |
| 23:24.58 | Tig| | hey |
| 23:25.38 | badcloud | I think there's an issue with SHR/kernel? regarding hangup response from the other end |
| 23:26.21 | badcloud | some would call, just so you could get their number |
| 23:26.30 | badcloud | , hang up |
| 23:26.41 | badcloud | but the phone keeps ringing |
| 23:27.21 | badcloud | and btw, I personally get an error 1 force quit with phone log |
| 23:27.38 | badcloud | but how's it going, Tig? |
| 23:27.38 | Tig| | saly I am not running SHR current at the moment. I have had the phone keep ringing before but I think it might be a frameworkd problem as I had it under FSO images too |
| 23:27.53 | badcloud | I see |
| 23:28.09 | badcloud | well, as long as it's out there... |
| 23:28.41 | Tig| | I think it is known about but tbh I am just about to call it a night |
| 23:28.54 | Tig| | as have to be up early |
| 23:29.01 | Tig| | so toodle pip all |
| 23:29.01 | badcloud | night then |
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| 23:35.19 | soul9 | heh |
| 23:35.32 | soul9 | android has been booting for 10+ minutes |
| 23:37.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4896 10/developers/werner/wlan/freeze/r2ch.py: Normalize the crash rate as well. |
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| 23:43.51 | badcloud | soul, how's the general performance of Android w/FR?i |
| 23:48.25 | Wonka | by the way, that magic eightball application on opkg.org has one grave bug: it says "shake me" but when i shake, nothing happens. one has to _touch_ the display to make it work. |
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| 23:48.37 | Wonka | quite unexpected on a device that has accelerometers... |
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| 23:49.32 | soul9 | hahahah |
| 23:49.36 | soul9 | performance? |
| 23:49.46 | soul9 | 30minutes and still "booting" |
| 23:49.49 | soul9 | tis fried |
| 23:52.17 | Weiss | Wonka: in the current kernel the accelerometers are "sticky". try re-starting it (works with OpenMooCow for me) |
| 23:52.23 | Weiss | re-starting 8Ball, tha tis |
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| 23:56.02 | jonsmith1982 | you know if i get accepted to help with an application and my status is admin on projects@openmoko.org, should i be able to commit to svn? |
| 23:56.49 | jonsmith1982 | because i'm getting the error ... svn: Can't create directory '/svnroot/ledclock/db/transactions/4-1.txn': Permission denied |
| 23:59.17 | jonsmith1982 | not being prompted for a password either. |
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