| 00:16.20 | gfather | Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Network Adapters or Device Drivers -> Network Device Support -> USB Network Adapters. |
| 00:16.25 | gfather | where are these ? |
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| 00:18.42 | jonsmith1982 | gfather, whats up? |
| 00:19.01 | gfather | hay m8 |
| 00:19.05 | jonsmith1982 | hi |
| 00:19.13 | gfather | im dying with the wiki , |
| 00:19.23 | yoyo_ | some programer is present? |
| 00:19.23 | gfather | the stuff are not hard to do |
| 00:19.25 | jonsmith1982 | you need usb networking? |
| 00:19.28 | gfather | yes |
| 00:19.33 | quatrox | gfather: they are kernel configs |
| 00:19.37 | gfather | but the wiki is too messed up |
| 00:19.41 | jonsmith1982 | which distro do you use? |
| 00:19.49 | lindi- | distro does not matter, only kernel |
| 00:19.58 | jonsmith1982 | yeah |
| 00:20.10 | jonsmith1982 | but i was wondering why he wouldnt have them already |
| 00:20.23 | quatrox | gfather: I guess you only need to modprobe |
| 00:20.32 | gfather | i used normal om 2008.12 and fdom one |
| 00:21.06 | yoyo_ | I have speciific question about illume-keyboard |
| 00:21.09 | gfather | modprobe ? |
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| 00:22.17 | jonsmith1982 | lsmod | grep usbnet |
| 00:22.28 | gfather | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking does'nt say anything about modprobe |
| 00:22.32 | jonsmith1982 | if thats there then your good |
| 00:22.44 | jonsmith1982 | should be |
| 00:22.47 | gfather | on the om , or my linux ? |
| 00:22.58 | jonsmith1982 | linux desktop/laptop |
| 00:23.15 | quatrox | gfather: is it on the phone or your linux pc? |
| 00:23.28 | quatrox | I assume it is your linux box |
| 00:24.16 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.35 | quatrox | sudo /sbin/modprobe usbnet |
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| 00:25.18 | quatrox | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 00:25.32 | gfather | <quatrox> same thing , shows nothing , even if it started |
| 00:25.47 | gfather | i do sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:25.52 | gfather | i get |
| 00:26.01 | gfather | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 00:26.02 | gfather | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 00:26.02 | gfather | SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device |
| 00:26.08 | quatrox | ifconfig -a|grep usb |
| 00:26.57 | jonsmith1982 | isn't there afirst boot netorking issue with om.2008.12? |
| 00:27.08 | jonsmith1982 | networking* |
| 00:27.14 | gfather | <quatrox nothing , :S |
| 00:27.23 | gfather | not any damn info on terminal |
| 00:27.45 | quatrox | gfather: sudo lsmod|grep usbnet |
| 00:28.02 | gfather | at last |
| 00:28.08 | quatrox | :) |
| 00:28.18 | gfather | damn sudo |
| 00:28.28 | quatrox | gfather: one hint |
| 00:28.31 | quatrox | sudo -s |
| 00:28.40 | quatrox | then you enter root mode |
| 00:28.41 | gfather | usbnet 20232 0 |
| 00:28.41 | gfather | usbcore 146028 9 usbnet,cdc_acm,uvcvideo,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 00:28.41 | gfather | mii 6400 3 usbnet,8139too,8139cp |
| 00:28.52 | quatrox | great |
| 00:28.53 | gfather | thats a good hint :) |
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| 00:29.29 | gfather | now what ? |
| 00:29.44 | quatrox | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 00:30.00 | quatrox | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 00:30.16 | quatrox | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 00:30.17 | gfather | root@mjfahmi-desktop:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 00:30.17 | gfather | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 00:30.17 | gfather | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 00:30.22 | quatrox | ohh |
| 00:30.31 | quatrox | gfather: I got a script |
| 00:30.39 | quatrox | I will send you a link |
| 00:30.42 | gfather | ok |
| 00:30.55 | gfather | <quatrox> wait |
| 00:31.14 | Dave | :o |
| 00:31.19 | gfather | i think ill do it tom , as i cant hold it any more , i must sleep |
| 00:31.20 | Dave | oh great |
| 00:31.42 | yoyo_ | did you make "echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" ? |
| 00:31.48 | gfather | quatrox if you can help me tom , it will be great |
| 00:31.59 | gfather | not yet |
| 00:32.14 | quatrox | gfather: wget -O /usr/bin/fr_usb http://om.quatrox.org/om/fr_usb.sh |
| 00:33.07 | quatrox | chmod +x /usr/bin/fr_usb |
| 00:33.22 | quatrox | fr_usb |
| 00:33.50 | quatrox | the phone must be connected |
| 00:35.16 | quatrox | gfather: let me know how it works |
| 00:35.21 | gfather | <quatrox ok ill try it tom , i must sleep now , its 2:35 @ night |
| 00:35.34 | gfather | i have to wake up for work :( |
| 00:35.43 | gfather | ill talk to you tom ;) |
| 00:35.49 | gfather | thanks allot for the help |
| 00:35.55 | gfather | good night guys |
| 00:35.58 | quatrox | no prob |
| 00:36.01 | quatrox | night |
| 00:36.08 | gfather | nighty |
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| 00:39.13 | Dave | MOO |
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| 00:46.16 | jonsmith1982 | is fso / shr able to switch power management settings depending on powered status? so i can have shr suspend only when no power supply other than the battery is present? |
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| 00:54.10 | yoyo_ | I have my own software to menage it |
| 00:55.34 | quatrox|away | jonsmith1982: shr-project.org |
| 00:55.55 | quatrox|away | see the section about customizing |
| 00:56.08 | quatrox|away | it is explained there |
| 00:57.54 | jonsmith1982 | quatrox|away, thanks for that. |
| 00:58.31 | quatrox|away | np |
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| 01:46.38 | moo--- | Mr. Dave |
| 01:46.43 | moo--- | thou hast summoned me |
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| 01:56.42 | johnsu01 | rwhitby, mickeyl : Oops, put this is the wrong channel, but the bug we were discussing here earlier is already in the trac at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/320 |
| 01:57.18 | mickeyl | frameworkd should've been bumped for python 2.6, guess i forgot that |
| 01:57.20 | mickeyl | will do it now |
| 01:57.34 | johnsu01 | Also an issue for zhone, that's where I hit it |
| 01:59.54 | mickeyl | done |
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| 02:01.04 | johnsu01 | mickeyl: sweet, thanks |
| 02:01.59 | mickeyl | np, it will take a while until it hits the feeds, but it will |
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| 02:55.06 | moo--- | holycow: cousin? |
| 02:56.34 | holycow | lol |
| 02:56.36 | holycow | hi |
| 02:57.34 | moo--- | waves his tail |
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| 03:03.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6d6601578266 10/ (ChangeLog framework/resource.py): |
| 03:03.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Resource: Fixed bug in checkedmethod and checkedsyncmethod decorators. Previously we only got |
| 03:03.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled when the status was unequal 'disabled'. This is wrong, since |
| 03:03.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: we also can't use a resource during the state transitions, i.e. 'enabling', 'disabling', 'suspending', |
| 03:03.05 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: and 'resuming'. This should fix some race conditions, or at least, make it more clear why you can't |
| 03:03.08 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: access the device. |
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| 03:21.46 | slaxxin | latest she unstable look good? |
| 03:21.51 | slaxxin | shr |
| 03:22.28 | slaxxin | why were the previous images so -- big |
| 03:30.51 | slaxxin | all these kernel modules dont look too good |
| 03:32.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.37 | slaxxin | we have bootage |
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| 03:39.08 | slaxxin | 2 minuits to boot |
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| 03:56.19 | Digital_Pioneer | decides Pidgin just doesn't cut it, and switches back to Konversation. |
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| 04:17.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5dbc91df2114 10/ (ChangeLog framework/resource.py): |
| 04:17.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: resource: Added a 'checkedsignal' decorator that will enqueue a signal when the resource is not 'enabled'. |
| 04:17.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Signals will get sent after the resource has reached the 'enabled' status. |
| 04:17.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdc12f783c2a5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py: ogsmd: Wrap dbus signals with resource.checkedsignal decorator |
| 04:17.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re34650ea267c 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogspd: Wrap dbus signals with resource.checkedsignal |
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| 05:49.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb681caab528f 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: fix NameError; Jan, please review! |
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| 06:16.26 | slaxxin | do 1 of the fso images(testing) have a phone app? |
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| 06:17.19 | cjb | all of them do |
| 06:17.52 | slaxxin | well i just dl fso testing with no phone app i think |
| 06:18.04 | cjb | zhone is the phone app |
| 06:18.12 | cjb | it's there in my fso testing build, a little odd |
| 06:18.19 | cjb | s/odd/old/ |
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| 06:24.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2492089e161d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: |
| 06:24.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] convert signal strenghts to percentage in |
| 06:24.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving|Neighbour}CellInformation |
| 06:24.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: rename cell_type_ind to ctype |
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| 06:28.48 | slaxxin | 2008.12 is |
| 06:29.07 | slaxxin | ya dave it DOES work |
| 06:29.13 | slaxxin | D |
| 06:32.57 | slaxxin | now if i just had a bluetooth ui |
| 06:35.40 | slaxxin | since i never read anything about gratitude towards OM ,,,, OM we do Appreciate U People,, so there a little Gratitude |
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| 08:17.05 | mokel | hi, when i try to connect with mickeyterm to the modem when a gprs connection is running it fails. is there any way to connect to the modem while using gprs? |
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| 08:29.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:48.56 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: i can explain that |
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| 08:50.57 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: calypso doesn't support exchange on more than 4 virtual channels. If GSM resource is requested, frameworkd allocates 3 channels. |
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| 08:51.13 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: If you use GPRS, the 4th is used. |
| 08:51.28 | mokel | mmh |
| 08:51.31 | mokel | damn |
| 08:51.52 | mokel | can i submit at commands via fso? |
| 08:52.16 | mokel | i need to get the cellid. but when i use the getstatus command it isnt reported |
| 08:52.25 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: i think yes. Let me see. |
| 08:52.50 | mokel | CREG?, COPS? and CSQ |
| 08:52.55 | mokel | these commands i need |
| 08:53.15 | mokel | bevor CREG? i send CREG=2 to get the cell |
| 08:54.30 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugInjectString ? |
| 08:54.41 | mokel | yeah, thanks |
| 08:54.46 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: take a look at freesmartphone.org . There's an api description. |
| 08:54.55 | mokel | i know |
| 08:55.04 | mokel | but i didnt look everywhere |
| 08:55.17 | PaulFertser_ | And some recent changes should include commands for getting cellid etc. |
| 08:55.55 | Wonka | *grr* since the upgrade (SHR unstable) on the weekend, something always up-s my FR's eth0. i don't want that. |
| 08:55.58 | mokel | that would be nicer |
| 08:56.06 | Wonka | the settings thingie doesn't let me disable it (yet) |
| 08:56.14 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: unbind the module |
| 08:56.36 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: what does that mean? how would i do that? |
| 08:56.42 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: do you mean "rmmod ar6000"? |
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| 08:57.01 | Wonka | _sometimes_ i do want WiFi, but never automatically... |
| 08:57.09 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi/driver/unbind |
| 08:57.24 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: And to enable wifi again, use echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/bind |
| 08:57.34 | Wonka | hm. |
| 08:57.41 | Wonka | what is s3c2440-sdi? |
| 08:57.53 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: if you have wifi as a module, you can rmmod it as well with the same result |
| 08:58.11 | PaulFertser_ | s3c2440-sdi is S3C on-chip SDIO interface. |
| 08:59.36 | Wonka | mh... |
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| 08:59.48 | Wonka | that's a workaround, nor, not a "real" solution... |
| 09:00.41 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: not a real solution to what? |
| 09:00.44 | mokel | mmh, cannot find the api for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugInjectString |
| 09:01.13 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: i think the easiest is to grep the sources. |
| 09:01.28 | mokel | ok |
| 09:01.29 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: but the documentation should be good also. |
| 09:01.48 | mokel | there is no docu or i do not find it |
| 09:02.15 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: module unloading is equivalent to driver unbinding is equivalent to what is done on suspend. That's the prefered way to save power. |
| 09:02.39 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: are you using MS4? |
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| 09:03.14 | mokel | yes |
| 09:03.45 | mokel | fso 4.1 |
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| 09:04.52 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: not a real solution to not automatically "ifconfig up eth0" |
| 09:05.12 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: does mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugCommand AT work? |
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| 09:06.08 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: there is a thread on kernel ml about preferred wlan state on boot, if you're interested. |
| 09:06.59 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: mostly, i don't mind the module being loaded - should not be powered up as long it is down anyway, IMO - but i do mind if there are routes set automatically. also, i don't want my device to send any probe requests unless i did tell it to activate wlan. |
| 09:07.04 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: LKML? |
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| 09:07.15 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: or some OM kernel ml? |
| 09:07.33 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: no, openmoko kernel mailing list. |
| 09:07.34 | Wonka | does not have too much time for OM at the moment... |
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| 09:07.57 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: ifconfig eth0 down doesn't save power. |
| 09:07.59 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: i think it should be easily configurable, with default to maximum power saving :) |
| 09:08.28 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: at least it should stop transmitting (and thus save at least the tx power) |
| 09:08.57 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: Werner never recommended to bring interface down to save power, IIRC. |
| 09:09.05 | mokel | PaulFertser_: takes a long time |
| 09:11.04 | mokel | freeze of the command |
| 09:11.29 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: it shouldn't... Look at fso debug logs. Though sometimes strange is going on my phone as well. But i didn't upgrade frameworkd for a long time. |
| 09:11.45 | mokel | mmh, ok |
| 09:12.05 | mokel | but there isnt a official documentation for the debug commands? |
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| 09:13.47 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: why should anyone need a documentation, there's a source :p |
| 09:14.17 | Wonka | PaulFertser_: still, I think it would be sane to shut down devices as far as possible when they are not used... |
| 09:14.40 | PaulFertser_ | Wonka: i agree. |
| 09:18.14 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: i think i know what's wrong |
| 09:18.19 | mokel | by the way: how can i figure out what i have to use with the mdbus command? sometimes i have to use org.freesmartphone.frameworkd sometimes org.freesmartphone.ogsmd ... |
| 09:18.24 | mokel | ? |
| 09:18.49 | PaulFertser_ | mokel: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugCommand AT\\r\\n |
| 09:21.35 | mokel | PaulFertser_: no reaction |
| 09:22.27 | mokel | perhaps restarting zhone helps |
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| 09:23.21 | mokel | yeah |
| 09:23.24 | mokel | now it works |
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| 09:41.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8f3c1e138e2f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix specs for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor |
| 09:41.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc8e17d96bc08 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] txlev is not a signal strength, but a power level indicator |
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| 09:53.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r909434ec501a 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: submit correct busname in ListObjectsByInterface to dbus-hlid |
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| 10:05.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07gsm0710muxd * rb8949ff6ef8f 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 10:05.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Implement proper channel allocation and dealloction |
| 10:05.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: With this patch the muxer will allocate channels in a clean way, it will |
| 10:05.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: not return a pts until the modem is really ready to operate on this |
| 10:05.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: channel. It will also retry the command several times until the channel is |
| 10:05.34 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: allocated. |
| 10:05.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Channel deallocation is also greatly improved, now we send a correct code to |
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| 10:42.46 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r635dcb2c8acf 10/src/zhone: serving cell + up to 6 neighbour cells = 7 cells :D |
| 10:53.34 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r253a9e1fa78c 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: set busname also for interfaces. Thanks beniwtv for spotting |
| 10:55.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r6967636e9595 10/setup.py: fix typo in setup.py |
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| 11:48.08 | bmm | Is there an example of Glade usage on OpenMoko GTK Python development? Is glade used or does everybody use their own build up scripts? |
| 11:55.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rcedaa8a6dd70 10/ (data/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.mo setup.py): add ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.mo and adjust setup.py |
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| 12:36.50 | gfather | hello guys |
| 12:37.12 | gfather | on om 2008.12 i dont have terminal or wifi , is that normal ? |
| 12:39.08 | Defiant- | gfather: Is the installer missing on your Image? |
| 12:39.19 | gfather | no |
| 12:39.58 | gfather | installer is there , but no terminal which is strange , and wifi is not in settings |
| 12:40.11 | Defiant- | install the terminal |
| 12:40.15 | gfather | i thought these are basic settings |
| 12:41.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb10138017b9f 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: learn how to convert doubles |
| 12:41.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r087b97c22ac9 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: |
| 12:41.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: '-r' option now prints return values for methods |
| 12:41.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Depending on the dbus language binding, this may emit parameter names or not |
| 12:41.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rf894801916cc 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: learn how to convert doubles. Thanks yoyo |
| 12:42.20 | gfather | but from what i tested the most stable functions are on om 2008.12 |
| 12:42.33 | gfather | calls and messages and stuff all orks like charm |
| 12:42.42 | gfather | orks = works |
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| 13:00.02 | Hopscotch | cd /names |
| 13:00.05 | Hopscotch | sorry |
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| 13:17.59 | khaije1 | hi all |
| 13:18.41 | khaije1 | i was readin the planet feed and googled and looked around but i still haven't been able to figure out: what is gridpad??? |
| 13:22.12 | lindi- | khaije1: google openmoko gridbag, it's the first hit? |
| 13:22.16 | lindi- | khaije1: google openmoko gridpad, it's the first hit? |
| 13:23.14 | khaije1 | this (http://trac.om.vptt.ch/trac/log/trunk/GridPad) doesn't tell me what it _is_ though.. |
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| 13:23.44 | khaije1 | i think i found it's text entry method? i was hoping to find videos of how it works, do you know of any? |
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| 13:25.25 | lindi- | khaije1: but it says it right there "GridPad!, a simple character recognition" |
| 13:25.58 | lindi- | khaije1: http://trac.om.vptt.ch/trac/browser/trunk/GridPad/src/GridPad.c |
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| 13:26.29 | khaije1 | thats fine, i had since looked aroun on the same blog to find more info... do u know of any videos though? |
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| 13:27.02 | lindi- | khaije1: videos? |
| 13:27.17 | khaije1 | ya of the software in use |
| 13:27.30 | lindi- | i'd just run it to see :) |
| 13:27.43 | xteraco | can someone tell me , does multiplexing work out of the box with 2008.12? |
| 13:27.49 | lindi- | oh no, it uses e17 svn head. then it's not so easy for me |
| 13:27.59 | soul9 | multiplexing? |
| 13:28.05 | xteraco | yea |
| 13:28.16 | soul9 | what is that? |
| 13:28.23 | xteraco | with QTE i cant get on the net, and use the phone |
| 13:28.27 | xteraco | its one or the other |
| 13:28.33 | xteraco | unless i get multiplexing working |
| 13:28.37 | soul9 | ah |
| 13:28.38 | soul9 | weird |
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| 13:31.08 | khaije1 | xteraco: i believe there is a current effort to make this possible but i dont know the latest development status |
| 13:31.25 | khaije1 | i think mickeyl is working on this? |
| 13:31.49 | xteraco | i went to set it up at work once, and my distro didnt have iptables!!! |
| 13:31.57 | xteraco | havent tried to get it working since |
| 13:32.27 | khaije1 | :) iirc it's a bleeding edge ability |
| 13:32.48 | AntonTakk | what is? |
| 13:32.55 | khaije1 | gsm multiplexing |
| 13:33.11 | khaije1 | for vox & data that is |
| 13:33.18 | AntonTakk | i'm pretty sure fso has been doing that for a while now |
| 13:33.28 | AntonTakk | i could be wrong thou |
| 13:35.28 | lindi- | AntonTakk: it has done it always afaik |
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| 13:43.44 | khaije1 | simultaneously? |
| 13:44.47 | cayres | damn i want a freerunner :( |
| 13:45.12 | Defiant- | cayres: you sure? |
| 13:45.21 | cayres | why's that |
| 13:45.35 | Defiant- | just asking |
| 13:45.50 | cayres | I'm pretty sure unless someone here wants to convince me otherwise |
| 13:45.54 | AntonTakk | cayres: most people find they can't rely on it as their daily phone |
| 13:46.06 | cayres | really? |
| 13:46.16 | cayres | its not stable? |
| 13:46.23 | AntonTakk | you did read the front page of the wiki, right? |
| 13:46.30 | cayres | not recently |
| 13:47.18 | AntonTakk | "Openmoko is currently selling the Neo FreeRunner phone to advanced users and will start selling it to the general public as soon as the software is more developed." - wiki front page |
| 13:47.26 | Defiant- | cayres: If you are like most of us who wants something they can play with and NOT something they can use, you want to buy it |
| 13:48.15 | AntonTakk | cayres: certainly, if you want it for what it can/will be, buy one, if you want a daily phone, hold off |
| 13:48.18 | cayres | well I'm definately a "play with it" kind of guy, but I would also expect basic functionality |
| 13:48.20 | xteraco | its a good daily phone for me |
| 13:48.27 | xteraco | but i'm pretty technical |
| 13:49.04 | xteraco | it takes and makes calls, every day... and soon it will tether to my laptop for net access |
| 13:49.11 | AntonTakk | xteraco: i am too, but i find having to reboot my phone multiuple times a day cause it has stopped working properly unacceptable |
| 13:49.14 | xteraco | its all i could want in a phone ^^ |
| 13:49.32 | cayres | why is it so unstable |
| 13:49.34 | xteraco | weird |
| 13:49.38 | xteraco | i never had to reboot mine |
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| 13:49.45 | xteraco | i keep it plugged in a lot though |
| 13:49.53 | AntonTakk | cayres: the software is still very young :) |
| 13:50.17 | cayres | hmm |
| 13:51.12 | AntonTakk | cayres: if you have an existing phone, it can be as simple as keeping your curent phone near by, just in case |
| 13:51.54 | cayres | I do but its not gsm |
| 13:51.59 | lindi- | cayres: you don't need to use the unstable software |
| 13:52.00 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 13:52.02 | cayres | how's the wifi? |
| 13:53.30 | lindi- | cayres: much better now that it uses the normal SDIO stack |
| 13:53.32 | cayres | not sure I want to fork out $350 atm though |
| 13:54.40 | lindi- | most irritating issues right now for me are: hardware buzz issue when gsm uses high power, trying to record audio easily causes an OOPS due to bug |
| 13:54.50 | AntonTakk | cayres: don't get me wrong, i bought mine and i love it and do not regret it, but it is curently a "toy with a hopefully bright future" sitting on my desk at home |
| 13:55.54 | AntonTakk | xteraco: what sfotware stack do you use? |
| 13:56.00 | cayres | AntonTakk those kinds of statements worry me about the hardware becoming obsolete before it becomes fully functional software wise |
| 13:56.22 | xteraco | qte |
| 13:56.36 | xteraco | sec, i'll get the version |
| 13:56.58 | AntonTakk | xteraco: that explains it, qte is probably the closest software to being consumer ready atm |
| 13:56.59 | SpeedEvil | You have a pot to set the desired level. |
| 13:57.01 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:58.20 | xteraco | qte 4.4.2 |
| 13:58.30 | AntonTakk | latest, then |
| 13:58.54 | AntonTakk | perhaps i'll try it untill fso ms5 comes out |
| 13:59.30 | xteraco | have you tried 2008.12? |
| 14:00.00 | AntonTakk | no, the last time i found 2008.x usable was 7/15 of last year |
| 14:00.20 | AntonTakk | (before it was officially released) |
| 14:00.55 | cayres | did you guys buy in a bulk group? |
| 14:01.04 | AntonTakk | i did not |
| 14:01.41 | xteraco | nor did i |
| 14:01.44 | xteraco | i bought 2 |
| 14:01.47 | xteraco | :) |
| 14:01.53 | cayres | sell me one :P |
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| 14:02.00 | AntonTakk | xteraco: however, i find that a smart phone w/o some sort of "today" screen is just bad |
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| 14:02.17 | cayres | "today" screen? |
| 14:02.18 | xteraco | what is a today screen? |
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| 14:02.58 | cayres | like a news/weather/inbox alerts thingy? |
| 14:03.00 | SpeedEvil | 'It's march the 1st, there are 5 waiting messages, and you have an appointment at 5' |
| 14:03.00 | AntonTakk | xteraco: like qte's startup screen, has quick access to the main functions and maybe lists missed calles, number of new sms, etc |
| 14:03.22 | AntonTakk | upcoming calendar entries |
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| 14:04.09 | cayres | its getting close to tax time... perhaps I'll get one if i get a return lol |
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| 14:06.14 | AntonTakk | i'm just hoping the gta03 has more buttons on it, imho, a call/hangup, a couple soft buttons and something resembeling a directional pad with a "enter" button in the middle |
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| 14:06.28 | AntonTakk | as a minimum |
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| 14:07.42 | AntonTakk | would be nice to have a button for quick access to the camera software, assuming a cam makes it in to the 03, and a hardware method for adjusting the volume |
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| 14:11.50 | xteraco | camera would be nice |
| 14:12.05 | xteraco | thats a far streatch tho, considering the webcam on my eee doesent even work |
| 14:12.10 | Defiant- | camera would be bad |
| 14:12.17 | xteraco | why? |
| 14:12.53 | Dave | what typically controls the mouse? |
| 14:12.53 | Defiant- | There are lots of company who doesn't allow you to bring a telephone with camera to work |
| 14:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Socketed cameras exist. |
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| 14:17.12 | AntonTakk | yeah, perhaps a removable camera and/or an alternate back with no camera hole |
| 14:18.04 | Dave | -_- |
| 14:18.28 | AntonTakk | hey dave |
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| 14:48.42 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r58fe3bf29b56 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: bring back closing the devices, otherwise the modem stays on |
| 14:48.45 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * rb22cb80b6d6e 10/ (ChangeLog src/muxercontrol.c): send org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel, if AllocChannel fails |
| 14:48.45 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r86917f58b820 10/configure.ac: release as 0.9.3 |
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| 14:55.09 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3675de401686 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel |
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| 15:05.01 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/0.9.3 * r86917f58b820 10gsm0710muxd/configure.ac: release as 0.9.3 |
| 15:06.44 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r188cf6671aef 10/AUTHORS: add Paul to authors |
| 15:07.36 | Dave | Freaking mickey, is on a rampage. :) |
| 15:08.06 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * raae188c6b03d 10/ChangeLog: spelling++ |
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| 15:11.59 | Dave | brian ¬_¬ |
| 15:12.18 | bricode | Dave: Long time no chat. How's it up in the NE? |
| 15:12.48 | Dave | frigid |
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| 15:20.27 | Dave | Tasn! |
| 15:20.42 | TAsn | Dave, ! |
| 15:20.50 | TAsn | talk fast cause I'm not really here for long ;] |
| 15:21.32 | Dave | :P |
| 15:21.36 | Dave | Okay, just hi then :) |
| 15:22.31 | TAsn | hehe hi ;] |
| 15:22.45 | ronny | yo |
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| 15:30.34 | slaxxin | looks like fso m5 is near |
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| 15:39.46 | kstar | How usable is an OpenMoko FreeRunner? I just bought one, hoping that I could use it as my regular phone, but I'm ready to fix things a bit if required. |
| 15:40.06 | mwester-laptop | feels sorry for kstar |
| 15:40.29 | mwester-laptop | "a bit" is an understatement |
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| 15:40.35 | kstar | Aww, is it worse than being on a trunk version of your Desktop Environment? |
| 15:40.40 | mwester-laptop | Far worse |
| 15:40.57 | kstar | Hmm, interesting |
| 15:41.04 | Weiss | has been using it as his regular phone for a while now, with not very much tweaking |
| 15:41.07 | fale | hi kstar |
| 15:41.08 | kstar | Sup3rkiddo already warned me, but anyway, I'd like to play around |
| 15:41.11 | mwester-laptop | Yep, it's a lot of fun if you have your expectations set correctly. |
| 15:41.14 | kstar | fale: Heya |
| 15:41.21 | Weiss | ...but i think i got lucky regarding volume, echo, noise and BRC |
| 15:41.22 | mwester-laptop | But it is *NOT* a reliable day-to-day phone. |
| 15:41.23 | kstar | fale: You too an openmoko guy? |
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| 15:41.39 | fale | kstar: yep, I have an openmoko |
| 15:41.44 | kstar | fale: Great |
| 15:41.53 | kstar | Weiss: |
| 15:41.55 | kstar | Hmm |
| 15:42.15 | fale | mwester-laptop: I have a couple questions about the dev elopment of qtextended, but lpotter is away |
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| 15:43.09 | fale | mwester-laptop: I'm using the freerunner as day-to-day phone ;) |
| 15:43.25 | kstar | Nice |
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| 15:43.31 | kstar | That's the assurance I required. Thanks. |
| 15:43.49 | fale | kstar: but I'm using qtextended, not FSO |
| 15:44.34 | kstar | fale: I'm new to these terms. Hold on while I google :-) |
| 15:44.45 | fale | kstar: rgr ;) |
| 15:46.18 | Weiss | based on my own and at least one other person's experience, i really think a lot of the unreliability issues (missed calls, silent calls, suspend/resume and so on) are to do with the bouncing GSM modem problem |
| 15:46.51 | Dave | #1024? |
| 15:46.54 | Weiss | exactly |
| 15:46.59 | Dave | We hateses it. |
| 15:47.13 | fale | Weiss: I have not real problem such that |
| 15:47.43 | Weiss | and if you additionally get lucky and find your combination of provider+software doesn't give you any of the audio problems, then you're away... |
| 15:48.12 | fale | Weiss: maybe is an fso problem? or is a kernel problem? |
| 15:48.18 | Dave | Right, but that is very few in my experience. |
| 15:48.38 | Weiss | fale: i had major problems, and a very bouncy Calypso, but after getting the hardware replaced because of an unrelated problem, i no longer have any problems at all. and nothing significant seems to have changed in the softare during the gap |
| 15:49.17 | Dave | mazzelpik :P |
| 15:49.27 | Weiss | another person found that all their problems (matching my symptoms) went away when they applied the Calypso deep sleep prevention thing |
| 15:49.36 | fale | Weiss: then, probably, was an hw problem |
| 15:49.58 | Weiss | of course |
| 15:50.23 | fale | someone have tryed android? |
| 15:51.36 | bricode | Speaking of android, there's a fresh channel at #freerunner-android |
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| 15:52.22 | fale | thx bricode |
| 15:52.33 | kstar | is waiting to lay his hands on the FR |
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| 15:53.02 | kstar | Is there anything really drastic, that is broken? |
| 15:53.11 | mwester-laptop | yep. |
| 15:53.24 | mwester-laptop | software workarounds for most, but not all |
| 15:53.27 | kstar | Is there a list of that somewhere, so that I know what's wrong? |
| 15:53.32 | mwester-laptop | search the wiki |
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| 15:53.34 | mwester-laptop | :) |
| 15:53.37 | kstar | Thanks |
| 15:53.53 | mwester-laptop | I have to run off to work, otherwise I'd find the link -sorry! |
| 15:54.13 | Weiss | i would say that, if you're lucky with GSM stuff, then one of the biggest things is that wifi is completely, totally and utterly broken... |
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| 15:54.37 | lindi- | Weiss: it seems to work in andy-tracking |
| 15:54.54 | mwester-laptop | Ah, but werner is close to fixing all the wifi issues. The biggest problem I see is that we still have no user-implementable fix for the GSM buzz. |
| 15:55.26 | mwester-laptop | Everything else *I* can live with, but that's a killer. (Of course, others may have different needs and may find some of the other issue to be "unlivable". |
| 15:55.36 | mwester-laptop | (now I *really* must go! :D ) |
| 15:56.29 | lindi- | mwester-laptop: there, use bluetooth headset :) |
| 15:56.31 | lindi- | +is |
| 15:56.48 | lindi- | or usb-headset |
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| 16:06.36 | slaxxin | only audio problem i have is speakerphone echo |
| 16:06.38 | kstar | lindi-: So a USB headset fixes the buzz issue? |
| 16:07.35 | lindi- | kstar: sure |
| 16:07.50 | lindi- | kstar: since the issue is an issue with the mic bias voltage |
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| 16:18.24 | kstar | lindi-: Oh, okay |
| 16:18.59 | kstar | lindi-: You mean that the swing limits are too low or something? |
| 16:24.39 | lindi- | kstar: gsm interference just seems to get where it is not supposed to get to |
| 16:28.21 | Dave | lindi, that sneaky bastard |
| 16:29.42 | kstar | lindi-: Okay |
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| 16:30.58 | kstar | Anyway, I'll try it out myself and see how painful it is :-) |
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| 16:36.55 | stongo | anybody been fooling around with Android yet? |
| 16:37.56 | Tm_T | stongo: we prefer to not get any diseases |
| 16:38.47 | bricode | stongo: You can join #freerunner-android. Also see http://git.koolu.org |
| 16:38.49 | stongo | haha that's the great thing, to stds from machines |
| 16:39.16 | stongo | ok thanks bricode |
| 16:39.43 | fale | can switch soon to android |
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| 16:40.24 | Tm_T | android is not interesting platform to use IMO |
| 16:40.33 | fale | Tm_T: why? |
| 16:40.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: for speakerphone to work without echo you most probably need to adjust AT%Nxxxx parameters |
| 16:40.58 | Tm_T | fale: can I easily use already existing applications? |
| 16:41.14 | fale | Tm_T: I dunno |
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| 16:41.25 | Tm_T | fale: IIRC its too tied to Java, I don't like Java, not to write it nor use it |
| 16:41.27 | bricode | Tm_T: Yes, depending on the applications you are looking at using. |
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| 16:41.59 | Tm_T | bricode: aye, for some people sure it's good |
| 16:42.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: also I'd guess FSO doesn't care yet to issue different AT%N commands when switching between speakerphone and handset (mickey, correct?) |
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| 16:44.12 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 16:44.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi dave |
| 16:45.14 | Dave | Hallo :) |
| 16:48.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | kstar: depending on your gsm-provider you might never encounter buzz issue (your callee to be exact). Also note there's a "not useraplicable fix" (following mwester's wording) for buzz, and newest generation of devices has this fix implemented already |
| 16:49.19 | bricode | DocScrutinizer2: Nice work on the fix btw. |
| 16:49.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | thanx |
| 16:49.31 | kstar | DocScrutinizer2: Okay. I'm guessing that I'll be getting Old stock, anyway. But I did read about the fix. |
| 16:50.40 | Dave | hooray for hardware |
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| 17:01.14 | Shlee | hopes a solution to the buzz is found.. I have no problem supporting the OS community but id love a working phone too |
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| 17:09.54 | Dave | hehe |
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| 17:37.22 | dustybin | wow, millions of people |
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| 17:37.42 | Defiant- | where? |
| 17:37.46 | dustybin | here |
| 17:37.53 | Defiant- | really? |
| 17:37.55 | dustybin | i was expecting a couple |
| 17:38.04 | Defiant- | Why can I see only 353 of them? |
| 17:38.08 | dustybin | haha |
| 17:38.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | 354 here |
| 17:39.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | Defiant-: your client pragma origin 0? |
| 17:39.55 | Defiant- | DocScrutinizer2: I usually don't count myself |
| 17:40.01 | dustybin | In the future, I would like to buy a new smart phone, either something what can run googles andromeda or openmoko running linux |
| 17:40.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, another way to say it ;) |
| 17:40.37 | dustybin | Is openmoko reading for the public yet? |
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| 17:40.45 | dustybin | *ready |
| 17:40.47 | Defiant- | dustybin: andromeda? |
| 17:40.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | err, neo running openmoko |
| 17:40.57 | dustybin | thats something to do with google |
| 17:41.03 | dustybin | yep neo |
| 17:41.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | android? |
| 17:42.08 | Defiant- | dustybin: You want something to use or something to play with? |
| 17:42.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | you can run android on neo fr |
| 17:42.54 | dustybin | Defiant-: use |
| 17:43.03 | frankS2 | anyone know any easy way to intstall debian on openmoko? |
| 17:43.03 | dustybin | DocScrutinizer2: aye ok |
| 17:43.34 | Defiant- | frankS2: You did notice the wiki page and install.sh script? |
| 17:43.39 | frankS2 | yes |
| 17:43.44 | frankS2 | i was thinking about a jffs2 img |
| 17:43.56 | Defiant- | frankS2: not easy enough? |
| 17:43.59 | frankS2 | nah |
| 17:44.00 | dustybin | will there be any new hardware changes to the neo? |
| 17:44.12 | frankS2 | Defiant-, not easy enoguh :( |
| 17:45.16 | Dave | googles DocScrutinizer |
| 17:45.40 | dustybin | what is Qtopia? |
| 17:45.55 | Defiant- | dustybin: you might want to start reading the wiki |
| 17:46.01 | dustybin | ok :D |
| 17:46.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | dustybin: which changes would you like to see? |
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| 17:46.18 | Defiant- | dustybin: It gives you a good hint about the distributions and hardware |
| 17:46.44 | Defiant- | dustybin: Also, personally I wouldn't recomment the openmoko hardware for "just using" yet. |
| 17:47.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | Defiant-: ?? |
| 17:47.56 | Defiant- | hmm? |
| 17:48.06 | SM2k | can the freerunner be emulated under qemu? |
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| 17:48.45 | swab | i fiddled around with my alsamixer and now i can't get it to work for normal phone calls.. i looked at the wikipage and checked the mixer settings and find that whenever i start the caller, it seems to *disable* the proper channels.. |
| 17:49.06 | swab | does anyone know when and how these alsa .state files are loaded so i can debug that? |
| 17:50.04 | swab | (or is this a 'common' issue and someone knows a likely way to fix it? ;) |
| 17:50.15 | h4v | swab: alsactl restore -f <file.state> |
| 17:50.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | swab: get the correct alsa.stae file. there's nothing to debug around loading |
| 17:50.57 | swab | h4v, ah, i see |
| 17:51.32 | swab | yes then i suppose it's possible i saved a quirked state into that file... |
| 17:51.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | swab: gsmhandset.state that is |
| 17:51.46 | swab | DocScrutinizer, where can i get them? |
| 17:52.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | extract from your distro? |
| 17:52.43 | SM2k | running thru the "building my first package" steps on the wiki and ran into this: http://slexy.org/view/s21E3LO74a |
| 17:52.55 | SM2k | wiki indicated that I shouldn't recv any errors. |
| 17:53.55 | SM2k | any ideas? |
| 17:54.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | swab: take care, there's half a dozen statefiles out in the wild, and some of them quite screwed up |
| 17:54.55 | swab | hm, what about this ones? they seem 'official' to me? http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/ |
| 17:55.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | swab: so try to get the gsmhandset.state you used before |
| 17:55.55 | swab | DocScrutinizer, for this i'd have to install the clean image again which takes quite a while so i would avoid this if possible |
| 17:57.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | swab: you should be able to access the file from source repo of the distro u used |
| 17:57.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | it's not built or compiled |
| 17:58.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | also all distris are available as tarball, where u easily can extract |
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| 17:59.35 | swab | DocScrutinizer, ok, i think we meant the same about getting the files from the repo; i misunderstood you first.. |
| 18:00.21 | swab | i just was not exactly sure from which repository the image i initially installed came.. |
| 18:00.22 | Dave | DocFixit |
| 18:00.31 | swab | but it seems to work with this one now :) |
| 18:00.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | dave shutup |
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| 18:04.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | this alsastate mess really makes me sick |
| 18:06.49 | Dave | :( |
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| 18:08.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: sorry, this gets me upset |
| 18:09.41 | Dave | I can see that. :\ |
| 18:09.42 | Dave | Sorry |
| 18:11.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | 2 years of tweaking random sliders and switches, no plan and reasoning, and now we got a zoo of statefiles (or -even worse- patches) where nobody knows what they do exactly |
| 18:11.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | nota bene all of same name |
| 18:12.14 | Dave | :( |
| 18:12.23 | Dave | Yeah, that's pretty horrifying. |
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| 18:13.09 | gfather | hello guys |
| 18:13.14 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer2: JOERG PRESIDeNT \o/ |
| 18:13.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | check for setting of control63 micmux in your file. you may find all possible settings |
| 18:13.28 | gfather | is there a ready image for android ? |
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| 18:14.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | (gsmhandset that is) |
| 18:14.52 | bricode | gfather: Yes. Visit #freerunner-android and see the topic. |
| 18:15.20 | gfather | thanks |
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| 18:51.13 | Dave | hoi |
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| 19:07.25 | slaxxin | 2009. |
| 19:07.49 | slaxxin | 2009.OM will have the .28 kernel ? |
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| 19:21.00 | SM2k | no matter what I try to bitbake, I'm getting ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES '_____' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it) ... anybody know what causes this. or how to fix it? |
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| 19:40.24 | gfather | how can i unmount the sd in openmoko and partition it |
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| 19:47.09 | SM2k | ah. it seems setup-env also needed to be modified to reflect BBPATH |
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| 20:35.38 | malane | has anyone used 2008.12? |
| 20:35.50 | JRD | yes me |
| 20:35.55 | JRD | for 2 days |
| 20:36.07 | JRD | since 2 days (sorry) |
| 20:36.13 | Defiant- | oh you had it running much longer then me |
| 20:36.37 | malane | okay, my neo is suspending while plugged in via USB to my PC |
| 20:36.39 | JRD | It's working ok, battery's life is better than with 2008.8 |
| 20:36.48 | malane | even when I'm doing opkg updates via ssh |
| 20:37.08 | JRD | malane go to the config => power |
| 20:37.22 | JRD | deactivate suspend when in usb, reactivate after |
| 20:39.07 | malane | at config -> power I only see blank time and suspend after blank |
| 20:39.26 | JRD | yes |
| 20:39.37 | JRD | for blank time, set to "off" (last choice), that's it |
| 20:39.45 | malane | it's on "off" |
| 20:39.49 | JRD | mm |
| 20:40.01 | malane | oh I see waht youre saying |
| 20:40.01 | JRD | weird |
| 20:40.01 | malane | is there any way to automatically have it do this? |
| 20:40.01 | SM2k | installed the 2008.12 rootfs, and can't figure out if there's a terminal available |
| 20:40.07 | malane | that's really annoying deactivating suspend every time I plug it into USB |
| 20:40.13 | JRD | maybe with uved and a script ? |
| 20:40.17 | JRD | *udev |
| 20:40.24 | malane | SM2k: opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 20:40.30 | malane | JRD: no I haven't |
| 20:40.48 | malane | JRD: the behavior has been like that for qtopia, debian, and FDOM |
| 20:42.26 | SM2k | malane, thanks. is that command intended to be run from a terminal on the freerunner? |
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| 20:42.45 | JRD | SM2k yes |
| 20:43.07 | SM2k | seee.... if I were asking about anything besides.... the terminal... :-) |
| 20:43.11 | JRD | malane : Ok, so I don't know how to come back to the former behavior |
| 20:43.36 | JRD | SM2k : connect to USB to it |
| 20:44.36 | SM2k | ah. I haven't had any luck with that so far. it barely stays on that screen a moment or two before falling back to the uboot menu |
| 20:47.14 | malane | JRD: me neither :( |
| 20:47.14 | malane | SM2k: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:47.15 | malane | also, my enlightenment segfaults a LOT |
| 20:47.19 | malane | and im not sure why. my opkg upgrade looks like such: |
| 20:47.26 | malane | om# opkg upgrade |
| 20:47.27 | SM2k | oh, I'm just familiarizing myself with the openmoko world. looks like I'll be using it a lot in the ensuing months |
| 20:47.28 | malane | om# |
| 20:47.30 | malane | it just reprompts |
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| 20:47.41 | malane | haha |
| 20:47.45 | malane | SM2k have you been able to boot? |
| 20:48.02 | JRD | malane yes me too, enlightment sefault a lot |
| 20:48.13 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: if you are going to stay with openmoko, throw away 2008.x |
| 20:48.17 | SM2k | right now, I'm trying to compile a package for qemu (myhelloworld from the wiki) |
| 20:48.26 | JRD | I use "illume" theme, because I don't like the qtopia keyboard at all |
| 20:48.32 | malane | same |
| 20:48.40 | malane | I switched to the illume theme and disabled the qtopia keyboard |
| 20:48.45 | JRD | I tried to use it in ASU, but the keyboard never appeared |
| 20:48.53 | JRD | same as you malane |
| 20:48.56 | SM2k | then I'm going to try to see about doing the same for the freerunner |
| 20:49.03 | malane | SM2k: I don't have any experience in compiling for the openmoko toolchain or the qtopia stack |
| 20:49.08 | JRD | it segfault on PIN |
| 20:49.14 | JRD | I resume |
| 20:49.19 | JRD | I enter my PIN |
| 20:49.23 | malane | I don't have a PIN |
| 20:49.33 | malane | it just randomly segfaults sometimes |
| 20:49.35 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, ooc why do you say that? |
| 20:49.36 | malane | post-boot |
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| 20:49.43 | JRD | it validates it, and after that, I can access my phone but no way to remove the PIN window |
| 20:50.18 | malane | illume is so much more finger friendly, and I like that. |
| 20:50.51 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: because it is a dead-end. Nobody's going to support the system. It was deprecated like from November or smth like that. And never intended to be a good solution anyway. |
| 20:50.53 | JRD | yes, but I prefer a dark theme :p |
| 20:51.23 | JRD | PaulFertser_ what are you talking about ? |
| 20:51.41 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, ok... well, the wiki still recommends using it cause 2007.x which came with the phone isn't supported. |
| 20:51.41 | PaulFertser_ | JRD: about qtopia-based OM2008.x distributions |
| 20:51.53 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: 2007.x is not supported, true. |
| 20:52.08 | JRD | ah yes |
| 20:52.20 | JRD | 2008.x is not a good solution for future |
| 20:52.24 | SM2k | I used the images found here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ |
| 20:52.41 | SM2k | I assume those are the ones you are referring to? |
| 20:52.47 | JRD | yes |
| 20:52.49 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: doesn't matter. IMO ASU was dead-born. |
| 20:52.59 | malane | SM2k: if you're interested in using the phone as a daily phone, use qtopia or 2008.12. If you plan on developing and learning the environment, move to fso/shr. |
| 20:53.32 | SM2k | I'm the latter. but what's fso/shr? |
| 20:54.00 | malane | free smartphone and stable hybrid release |
| 20:54.14 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: fso -- is the framework, officially supported future of openmoko devices. SHR is end-user applications. Rougly speaking. |
| 20:54.23 | SM2k | rgr |
| 20:55.13 | SM2k | I assume images are available? anywhere on the http://downloads.openmoko.org/ site? |
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| 20:55.42 | malane | there are some milestone images somewhere |
| 20:56.12 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: are you interested in plain FSO or FSO+SHR? |
| 20:56.32 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: FSO is python framework with dbus interface. |
| 20:56.38 | SM2k | ah nice |
| 20:56.44 | PaulFertser_ | In FSO images a sample appplication Zhone exists. |
| 20:57.00 | SM2k | zope-phone? :-) |
| 20:57.06 | JRD | yes |
| 20:57.25 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, not sure if I know the answer to your fso/fso+shr question actually |
| 20:57.37 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: Zen Phone :) |
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| 20:58.12 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: FSO unstable is a bit ahead. And SHR is heading to stabilization user-friendly release now. |
| 20:58.30 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: Or you can install Debian, there's FSO packaged for it. |
| 20:58.34 | blip- | kookoo |
| 20:58.50 | SM2k | using Ubuntu atm. thinking of switching to Foresight over the weekend. |
| 20:58.58 | doc|home | is qtopia actually usable now? Last I tried it the sound was funky and resume wasn't working :/ |
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| 20:59.59 | SM2k | oh btw, I actually managed to flash my freerunner from inside a VMware instance, so it *is* possible |
| 21:07.03 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: Debian on freerunner. |
| 21:08.09 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, ah. yes I was referring to the desktop |
| 21:09.36 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: desktop doesn't matter much. Most developer (except Debian) use OpenEmbedded on desktop -- a Gentoo like system for compiling distributions for embedded devices. Works on any distro, i think. Some just write Python. Some compile on device. |
| 21:12.38 | SM2k | speaking of OpenEmbedded, looks like I have a failure while trying to build a devel image... http://slexy.org/view/s2M4wXXPeh I assume I'm missing a library |
| 21:12.46 | blip- | ? moko |
| 21:12.51 | blip- | !moko |
| 21:12.55 | blip- | ! moko |
| 21:12.56 | JRD | #moko |
| 21:12.58 | JRD | :) |
| 21:13.00 | blip- | what's a moko ? |
| 21:13.01 | SM2k | oink? |
| 21:13.19 | blip- | "oink" ? as in pig audio ? |
| 21:14.12 | SM2k | heh, nah, as in "what the heck are we even talking about?" :-) |
| 21:15.07 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: to build qemu-native you seem to have linux headers installed. |
| 21:15.17 | blip- | someone pointed me to this channel. i'm interested in the openmoko phone, but awaiting it's maturity/stability before I can buy and use it as a replacement for my phone. were does the name come from if i may ask ? |
| 21:16.23 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, as in a host-system devel lib? |
| 21:16.46 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: i think so, yes. |
| 21:17.26 | SM2k | it's been so long since I've used a debian based system, I can't remember if there's a way to know what package provides a file |
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| 21:18.56 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: to be honest, i usually use http://packages.debian.org |
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| 21:21.29 | ernst | hi i have install debian on sd card with the uboot buggy option |
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| 21:21.55 | ernst | can i remove the uboot entry ? |
| 21:22.05 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: Can you use Qi? ;) |
| 21:22.48 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: Please check the wiki page about Qi, it's ready for prime-time use now, i think :) |
| 21:22.50 | eolson | blip, i don't think remember offhand, I think i saw it in an email once. |
| 21:22.57 | ernst | i have install qi |
| 21:23.13 | ernst | but i can not see the boot menu |
| 21:23.21 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: you're not supposed to. |
| 21:23.27 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: Qi has no boot menu. |
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| 21:23.46 | ernst | and if i want to boot vom sd card ? |
| 21:24.06 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: have you read the Qi wiki page? |
| 21:24.30 | ernst | i cant 't speak english |
| 21:24.36 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: but you can read ;) |
| 21:24.59 | ernst | i see the option to remove qi and i do it |
| 21:25.24 | ernst | when i install qi i was shockt because i se my death freerunner |
| 21:25.55 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: to the best of my understanding Qi is easier to setup and use than u-boot. And i've seen and understood the sources of both. I think it means something. |
| 21:26.10 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: check the wiki page, please. |
| 21:27.02 | ernst | ok my wife sad i must go to bed :-) |
| 21:27.18 | SM2k | good luck ernst |
| 21:27.24 | ernst | but i was insteressting in qi |
| 21:27.29 | ernst | i want to test it |
| 21:27.40 | ernst | how much can ic flash uboot |
| 21:28.15 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: what language do you understand? |
| 21:28.58 | ernst | german and lituania |
| 21:29.10 | ernst | but lituania a little bit |
| 21:29.38 | PaulFertser_ | ernst: there's plenty of german-speaking people here. I hope they'll help. But i suggest you read the original Qi english wikipage instead. |
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| 21:30.44 | ernst | ok thanks |
| 21:30.45 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: did installing linux headers help? |
| 21:30.51 | SM2k | 1m |
| 21:31.38 | SM2k | I just barely figured out what package I needed |
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| 21:34.16 | SM2k | well, /usr/include/linux/dirent.h now exists on my system, but I still get the same compilation error |
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| 21:38.34 | SM2k | I take that back. the file isn't present |
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| 21:50.52 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: So, any progress? |
| 21:51.26 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, realized my system wasn't up to date. taking a step back to work that out |
| 21:51.51 | PaulFertser_ | SM2k: ok, i see :) Good luck then, OE sometimes is very tricky :) |
| 21:52.25 | SM2k | I can see that. been two days trying to get a usable dev env set up :-) |
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| 21:53.57 | SM2k | PaulFertser_, ah, looks like I have a function to attend. thanks for your help. |
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| 22:13.17 | sm2k | PaulFertser_, looks like my issue was due to the fact that the requisite file was at /usr/include/dirent.h not /usr/inlcude/linux/dirent.h rather than try to fix the package, I just made a symlink |
| 22:13.59 | PaulFertser_ | sm2k: no, i don't think so. |
| 22:14.25 | sm2k | well, adding the symlink caused it to work... |
| 22:14.34 | PaulFertser_ | sm2k: linux-headers package should contain linux/dirent.h |
| 22:14.59 | sm2k | agreed that that's what the package manifest said |
| 22:15.25 | sm2k | anyways, I really must scoot. thanks again for all your help. |
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| 22:15.41 | PaulFertser_ | sm2k: cu |
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| 22:36.00 | imme-emosol | Where can I read out the current charged-level of the battery? (GTA02) |
| 22:36.33 | JRD | mmm |
| 22:36.51 | JRD | in /proc/device/battery/sthg... |
| 22:36.56 | JRD | I'll check |
| 22:42.31 | imme-emosol | I have no device dir. in /proc/ |
| 22:43.02 | JRD | yes |
| 22:43.05 | JRD | I see |
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| 22:43.12 | JRD | so...I don't know |
| 22:43.20 | PaulFertser_ | imme-emosol: find /sys -name \*bat\* |
| 22:45.05 | JRD | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bat/uevent |
| 22:45.05 | JRD | cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type |
| 22:45.19 | JRD | ok, PaulFertser_ already replyed |
| 22:46.12 | soul9 | what's the wi-fi driver's name? :-) |
| 22:46.53 | JRD | cat /proc/devices give you all devices name |
| 22:46.53 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: sdio_ar6000 in andy-tracking |
| 22:47.17 | soul9 | hmmm |
| 22:47.27 | soul9 | it has different names in different kernels? |
| 22:47.44 | soul9 | JRD: thanks |
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| 22:48.18 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: 2.6.24 used atheros sdio stack, 2.6.28 uses linux sdio stack. Don't know if the driver name differs. |
| 22:48.29 | soul9 | ok |
| 22:48.41 | soul9 | oooo |
| 22:49.04 | soul9 | JRD: the problem is the wifi isn't working ;-) |
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| 22:49.44 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: use andy-tracking |
| 22:50.27 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: yeah, but to do that internet would be nice... |
| 22:51.22 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: you can't connect FR with usb? Or just take out the SD and use a cardreader? |
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| 22:54.18 | soul9 | where is andy-tracking again? |
| 22:55.07 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: http://people.openmoko.org/andy . Or compile it yourself from http://git.openmoko.org |
| 22:55.34 | soul9 | doesn't have a cross-compiling toolchain yet.. |
| 22:56.45 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: if you're still using u-boot, either switch to Qi to be able to load a kernel >2M or tweak a u-boot environment boot script (search wiki). Qi is easier imho, check the wiki. |
| 22:56.59 | soul9 | uh oh |
| 22:57.05 | soul9 | no debug board. |
| 22:57.32 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: no need if you're not debugging kernel or bootloader. Or are you a GTA01 user? |
| 22:58.19 | soul9 | no |
| 22:58.32 | soul9 | but if i mess up u-boot i'm fscked up.. |
| 22:58.34 | soul9 | or no? |
| 22:58.41 | SpeedEvil | not with FR |
| 22:58.46 | soul9 | no? |
| 22:58.48 | soul9 | hmm |
| 22:58.48 | PaulFertser_ | GTA02 has NOR bootloader as well |
| 22:58.52 | SpeedEvil | FR has a get-out-of-jail-free flash you can't touch |
| 22:59.00 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.00 | soul9 | nice |
| 22:59.04 | PaulFertser_ | Can't be fucked up without a debug board. |
| 22:59.15 | soul9 | nice |
| 22:59.18 | soul9 | ok then |
| 22:59.32 | soul9 | how do i boot the NOR _if_ i do mess it up? |
| 22:59.38 | lindi- | aux |
| 22:59.46 | PaulFertser_ | Somewhere a precompiled FSO andy-tracking kernel exists. I don't know where though. |
| 23:00.02 | soul9 | PaulFertser_: yeah, that's what i was thinking of |
| 23:00.09 | imme-emosol | Thanks PaulFertser_ and JRD . |
| 23:00.13 | soul9 | can't remember where i got there from, though |
| 23:00.23 | PaulFertser_ | imme-emosol: you're welcome |
| 23:00.36 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: Qi is better, trust me ;) |
| 23:00.42 | soul9 | ok |
| 23:00.45 | soul9 | qi it is |
| 23:00.52 | soul9 | what? how do i boot the NOR? |
| 23:01.01 | soul9 | the way i boot the fr to flash it? |
| 23:01.03 | PaulFertser_ | Read the wiki page carefully. |
| 23:01.09 | soul9 | err, ok |
| 23:01.21 | PaulFertser_ | Hold AUX, power on freerunner. You'll boot in the NOR u-boot. |
| 23:01.28 | soul9 | ok |
| 23:01.35 | soul9 | so same as when i flash it |
| 23:02.12 | lindi- | soul9: uboot supports DFU protocol |
| 23:02.42 | PaulFertser_ | soul9: i gotta sleep. Good luck with Qi. If you will have any suggestions how the wiki page can be improved, feel free to edit. |
| 23:04.11 | soul9 | paulproteus: yeap, gonna make an account |
| 23:05.47 | JRD | I go to sleep. |
| 23:05.49 | JRD | bye |
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| 23:48.14 | rZr | hi, any nokia hackers around ? i have no feedback on current works are there some ? |
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