| 00:00.19 | Dave | sweet! |
| 00:00.22 | Dave | high-fives Anton |
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| 00:00.48 | AntonTakk | the down side is, i bought the two 8 gigs yesterday :-| hehe |
| 00:01.19 | AntonTakk | one per phone, now i'll have to buy a 16 g for my other phone since it works in it as well |
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| 00:11.56 | AntonTakk | ...the card reader in my desktop doesn't do sdhc..... |
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| 00:19.54 | cb22 | A |
| 00:20.09 | cb22 | oops |
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| 00:23.26 | usr | hi, how do i extract the hackable1-ext2 partition to sd? |
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| 00:24.13 | usr | it's not possible using file roller |
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| 00:26.18 | AntonTakk | loop mount it? |
| 00:26.53 | usr | i just try file-roller as su |
| 00:28.46 | Dave | Anton, good results with the µSD :) |
| 00:29.26 | AntonTakk | Dave: so far, ripping a bunch of CDs to do a large transfer to it as a test |
| 00:29.44 | Dave | haha, nice :) |
| 00:29.45 | AntonTakk | er, many small transfers, anyways |
| 00:30.15 | usr | i ll give it a boot-test |
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| 00:33.13 | usr | seems to work... used file-roller as su |
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| 00:38.39 | usr | good n8 |
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| 06:51.08 | gecco | good morning |
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| 08:21.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:04.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4891 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (12 files): Update personal wiki files |
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| 09:31.17 | soul9 | yo |
| 09:31.23 | soul9 | just recieved my freerunner :-) |
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| 10:21.02 | reenzo2 | hi! I am testing 2.6.28 from fso http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2-om-gta02.bin.... At boot there is not net on usb,i.e. usb0 interface is missing. IMHO the module is neither compiled as built in nor as external. Is there anybody out there with the same problem? |
| 10:21.06 | reenzo2 | tnx |
| 10:25.34 | Kred | reenzo2: have you tried to boot a second or a third time? |
| 10:25.59 | reenzo2 | yes, both with usb cable plugged and unplugged |
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| 10:27.35 | reenzo2 | Kred, I tried two times, not three... have you experienced the need for multiple boots for usb0 to appear? |
| 10:29.23 | Kred | I am not using the same image as you, but I do have trouble on having usb network on a Linux based computers. On a Mac it works just fine. |
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| 10:30.37 | henk | reenzo2: doesn't work first time with some images. |
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| 10:31.23 | zogg_ | So, 2008.* uses stripped Python ? |
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| 10:31.43 | reenzo2 | I'll try. I hope usbnet.ko is compiled builtin in all the images... |
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| 10:32.09 | zogg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.09 | zogg_ | ImportError: No module named base64 |
| 10:34.04 | swab | does opkg have a possibility to search packet name and description faster than opkg list|grep blah? |
| 10:35.20 | zogg_ | with toolchain on your pc its fast enough ;) |
| 10:35.55 | zogg_ | on the phone side i guess it wont go faster unless search feature is implemented |
| 10:36.20 | zogg_ | wait, it has Search |
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| 10:36.48 | swab | ah okay.. then i'll install a virtualized openmoko.. will also fit into ramdisk just fine :) |
| 10:37.14 | swab | zogg_, yes, but that searches for installed filenames or something i didn't figure out |
| 10:38.32 | zogg_ | looks like it. |
| 10:43.56 | zogg_ | anyway, using toolchain for packet searching isnt a solution. Host based opkg would be cool. |
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| 10:47.24 | lindi- | 'time apt-cache search nano' takes 13 seconds |
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| 10:47.46 | lindi- | which is quite slow but it's a compromise |
| 10:48.38 | henk | try aptitude search nano :-p |
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| 10:51.09 | lindi- | that's very very slow |
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| 13:11.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sadov 07zhone * rbf214cdf857e 10/src/zhone: localization support for zhone |
| 13:11.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r600a7471f2af 10/src/zhone: make zhone more usable for xgettext |
| 13:11.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r20faecc28e46 10/data/locale/ (update.sh zhone.pot): add simple script to update translation files and generate new pot file |
| 13:11.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sadov 07zhone * reed2edc112b3 10/data/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.po: add russian localization |
| 13:11.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf5963dbb87ad 10/setup.py: update setup.py to install the .mo file |
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| 13:26.29 | root_at | hey, i am using shr and i would like to know if i could use the angstrom repo? in the wiki is written that i shouldnt add a feed which is not for my distribution |
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| 13:40.10 | Zorkman | root_at: i think you best not mix them |
| 13:40.10 | Zorkman | you can ask in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 13:41.14 | root_at | Zorkman: what if i add the angstrom repo and del the shr before first time doing anything with opkg? |
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| 14:49.31 | xteraco | argh! |
| 14:49.52 | xteraco | cant get keypad to work during a call so i cant setup my voicemail |
| 14:49.55 | xteraco | D: |
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| 14:58.54 | [-zeno-] | giorno |
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| 14:59.59 | badcloud | which kernel is most stable with shr? 14th or 24th of December? |
| 15:00.16 | badcloud | for the GTA02 |
| 15:01.48 | Ainulindale | badcloud: latest available on the buildhost |
| 15:02.09 | Ainulindale | if you try unstable, you'll have some e problems but kernel is supposedly stable |
| 15:02.15 | Ainulindale | though it's andy tracking so stable is a big word |
| 15:04.30 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 15:04.50 | badcloud | so far, shr has been seg faulting on me |
| 15:05.44 | badcloud | so I'm trying shr-lite |
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| 15:06.43 | badcloud | any ideas? |
| 15:07.08 | badcloud | it would seg while in the setup (upper left corner) |
| 15:08.56 | joerg_42 | use gdb? |
| 15:09.49 | badcloud | gdb? |
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| 15:21.35 | Dave | hei badcloud :] |
| 15:21.46 | Dave | gnu debugger |
| 15:21.55 | badcloud | thanks |
| 15:22.00 | badcloud | hey there daveo |
| 15:22.11 | badcloud | what does it require? |
| 15:22.17 | badcloud | a debug board? |
| 15:22.29 | root_at | badcloud: u asked yesterday why ur freerunner segfaults all the time, did u? |
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| 15:23.53 | badcloud | yup |
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| 15:24.10 | badcloud | since then I tried FSOM and qt-x |
| 15:24.14 | root_at | did you set up any shelf gadget? |
| 15:24.22 | badcloud | and now I'm back to shr, but lite this time |
| 15:24.34 | root_at | for example the mixer |
| 15:24.39 | badcloud | yeah |
| 15:24.51 | root_at | dont do that, if you do that it will segfault all the time |
| 15:24.52 | badcloud | that was when it segged the first time |
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| 15:24.57 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 15:25.07 | badcloud | what's the deal with that??? |
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| 15:25.14 | root_at | i have same problem(also others) but i dont know why |
| 15:25.18 | badcloud | that really needs to be posted on the wiki |
| 15:25.27 | badcloud | I was freaking out |
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| 15:26.03 | badcloud | has anyone succesfully changed their ringtone in shr, btw? |
| 15:26.08 | root_at | me2, but then i googled and found something |
| 15:26.11 | badcloud | I tried but I got no sound |
| 15:26.12 | root_at | yes |
| 15:26.22 | root_at | is the file in /usr/share/sounds? |
| 15:26.34 | badcloud | nope, on the microsd |
| 15:26.45 | root_at | copy it to /usr/share/sounds |
| 15:27.43 | badcloud | I'm getting a 'cp: read error: Input/output error' |
| 15:27.51 | root_at | and u just need to write into default.yaml "ring-tone: "xy.mp3"" |
| 15:28.00 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 15:28.08 | badcloud | fdisk -l isn't showing anything |
| 15:28.35 | badcloud | but /media/card seems to be mounted fine |
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| 15:28.55 | root_at | then dont mind, just copy ; ) |
| 15:29.14 | badcloud | it's giving me that error |
| 15:29.20 | badcloud | 'cp: read error: Input/output error' |
| 15:29.37 | root_at | umount, and mount again |
| 15:30.15 | badcloud | mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock |
| 15:30.39 | badcloud | it's a brand new card |
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| 15:30.48 | badcloud | nothing is showing up on fdisk -l either |
| 15:31.11 | root_at | make new partition table |
| 15:31.30 | badcloud | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:31.36 | badcloud | Unable to read /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:32.24 | root_at | try it with ur pc |
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| 15:32.51 | root_at | maybe the card isnt placed right in the freerunner |
| 15:33.19 | badcloud | it 'ls'ed /media/card a minute ago |
| 15:33.32 | badcloud | but I'll power down, readjust and try again |
| 15:33.42 | root_at | ok |
| 15:34.57 | root_at | are you going to ask them to write this in the wiki? this thing with the shelf gadget? |
| 15:35.27 | badcloud | don't know who they are, so I can't at the moment |
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| 15:36.17 | root_at | i think there is an email somewhere...but i am not that sure if its only when you set up a shelf gadget...maybe its happens also when you do something else in the illume menu |
| 15:36.21 | badcloud | I could send an email |
| 15:36.34 | badcloud | well, I think it was just that |
| 15:37.03 | root_at | this menu sucks anyway...if you set up that there should be no supend, he doesnt mind and suspend after 60 seconds anyway |
| 15:37.12 | badcloud | true |
| 15:37.43 | badcloud | maybe it should be posted as the channel topic |
| 15:37.44 | badcloud | and give it time until we pinpoint the real cause |
| 15:37.47 | root_at | but u can set it up in the other settings. when you are at your "desktop" click on settings, and set suspend to off |
| 15:38.01 | Dave | :| |
| 15:38.30 | root_at | this settins where you also find gsm, bluetooth, brightness and profile |
| 15:38.33 | badcloud | ok, the restart did the trick |
| 15:38.35 | root_at | setttings* |
| 15:38.47 | badcloud | it accessed and copied the file from the sd just fine |
| 15:38.59 | root_at | ok, edited default.yaml? |
| 15:39.04 | badcloud | on it |
| 15:39.29 | root_at | Dave: sup dave? |
| 15:40.38 | Dave | Hallo :] |
| 15:40.45 | badcloud | done |
| 15:40.57 | badcloud | do I need to restart ophonekitd_ |
| 15:40.58 | badcloud | ? |
| 15:41.04 | badcloud | for it to work |
| 15:41.20 | root_at | i am not sure |
| 15:41.37 | badcloud | sounds like another reboot is in order |
| 15:41.42 | badcloud | I hate rebooting |
| 15:41.49 | root_at | try it without first |
| 15:41.58 | badcloud | don't have a phone handy |
| 15:42.08 | root_at | Dave: german? "Hallo?" |
| 15:42.24 | badcloud | anydangway, I'm gonna go eat |
| 15:42.31 | badcloud | thanks for the help guys |
| 15:42.36 | root_at | np, cu hf |
| 15:42.48 | Dave | root_at, Nederlands :P |
| 15:43.19 | Dave | me no sprechen sie Deutsches :p |
| 15:43.24 | root_at | do you also say "hallo" didnt know that...thought it would just be a german word |
| 15:43.30 | Dave | ja :D |
| 15:43.38 | Dave | we too :] |
| 15:43.50 | Dave | german and dutch very similar with words sometimes :) |
| 15:44.07 | root_at | but the weed is better in the nederlands ; ) |
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| 15:44.29 | univac | mmm |
| 15:44.33 | univac | bubble gum, orange ;d |
| 15:44.42 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:53.06 | root_at | are there more repos for shr than shr-testing/ipk/all /shr-testing/ipk/armv4t and shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02? |
| 15:53.18 | root_at | isnt there unstable? |
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| 15:54.38 | root_at | dont mind these 2 posts. |
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| 16:28.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1e3ead1575d8 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: otimed: add otimed to dbus config |
| 16:28.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rc88301d177ea 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (clock.py otimed.py): otimed: set the system time directly (closes: #318) |
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| 17:39.06 | gfather | hello guys |
| 17:39.14 | gfather | just got my freerunner :) |
| 17:39.26 | gfather | i flashed it with om 2008.12 |
| 17:39.47 | gfather | but i cant get it wifi , or net from usb |
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| 17:41.14 | gfather | im reading that i have to connect usb , and then ssh and change settings , but , the ssh ip should be 138.168.0.202 right |
| 17:41.21 | gfather | but i cant ssh |
| 17:41.25 | gfather | any suggestions |
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| 17:43.41 | alephnull | gfather: 192, not 138 |
| 17:43.50 | gfather | yes |
| 17:43.57 | gfather | that was typing mistake :) |
| 17:44.05 | gfather | <alephnull it wont get ssh |
| 17:44.27 | malane | I have a problem |
| 17:44.28 | Dave | :P |
| 17:44.44 | malane | I can ping 192.168.0.200, I've been able to SSH before, I cannot ping 192.168.0.202 and SSH is telling me no route to host |
| 17:44.51 | malane | I've never had this issue before |
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| 17:46.08 | tordo | malane: did your phone suspend or something? you might need to just rerun the usb0 interface configuration |
| 17:46.13 | mac2k | gfather: reboot the neo, usb network often does not work on first boot after flashing |
| 17:46.41 | tordo | malane: OR, you might have run mofi which shuts down usb0 on the phone |
| 17:47.04 | mac2k | ifup and ifdown the interface might also do the job |
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| 17:49.26 | gfather | <mac2k tried that to , ill reboot again |
| 17:49.49 | gfather | <mac2k i can seem to find terminal in this one :S |
| 17:50.05 | malane | I did run mofi earlier |
| 17:50.15 | malane | I rebooted the phone, and I've done ifdown ubs0 and ifup usb0 |
| 17:50.23 | malane | mofi hasn't run since I've rebooted the phone |
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| 18:02.48 | soul9 | can anyone give me a hint as to what i need enabled on my laptop to be able to use USB networking? |
| 18:03.04 | d-b | sudo ifconfig usb0 up |
| 18:03.04 | soul9 | in the kernel on my laptop,i mean |
| 18:03.18 | soul9 | it seems i don't have usb networking on :-/ |
| 18:03.21 | d-b | its a usb module i think... / gadget |
| 18:03.41 | soul9 | so should be in USB support, right? |
| 18:04.07 | soul9 | hmmmm |
| 18:06.05 | soul9 | CONFIG_USB_USBNET seems to be what i'm looking for |
| 18:06.10 | soul9 | can't find it though :-/ |
| 18:07.17 | slaxxin | gadgets? |
| 18:07.41 | soul9 | it's not in gadgets |
| 18:08.12 | soul9 | oh |
| 18:08.22 | soul9 | it's in device drivers/network drivers |
| 18:09.18 | soul9 | d'oh |
| 18:09.23 | soul9 | i have it enabled |
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| 18:09.33 | soul9 | so why the £%µ isn't it working :-/ |
| 18:12.01 | soul9 | ok |
| 18:12.50 | soul9 | on the wiki they say to unplug the phone before doing ifconfig usb0 up |
| 18:13.00 | soul9 | but you _need_ to connect the phone first |
| 18:17.13 | AntonTakk | heh |
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| 18:17.38 | AntonTakk | the next community update is scheduled for "January 23th" :) |
| 18:19.07 | AntonTakk | soul9: what distro? i have fedora 9 on my desktop configured to bring usb0 up and config it when the fr gets plugged in |
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| 18:22.49 | malane | if I was running wifi mofi and it screwed up my usb networking, how could I repair it? |
| 18:23.06 | malane | I've tried disabling my wifi chip and doing the USB networking instructions on the wiki but I can't connect |
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| 18:25.41 | root_at | malane: error? does the batteryicon on your freerunner show that he is charging? |
| 18:26.11 | malane | yes |
| 18:26.17 | malane | I figured it out somehow |
| 18:26.23 | malane | not really sure how though, wish I knew how I did it |
| 18:26.31 | malane | for the longest time I could ping 192.168.0.200 and return a result |
| 18:26.39 | malane | but pinging 192.168.0.202 would be unreachable |
| 18:26.51 | root_at | os? |
| 18:27.35 | root_at | try to connect with ssh...or did you already? |
| 18:28.09 | soul9 | AntonTakk: well, actually i completely misread the wiki lol |
| 18:28.42 | soul9 | still, my network is on the 192.168.0.0/24 range, and my moko doesn't get internet connection |
| 18:30.23 | malane | I disabled the wifi chip, did ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 |
| 18:30.25 | malane | on the phone |
| 18:30.29 | malane | and on my debian laptop |
| 18:30.32 | malane | and it now works somehow |
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| 18:30.45 | AntonTakk | soul9: try adding a ststic route for the fr? |
| 18:30.47 | malane | I couldn't ssh before, but I can now |
| 18:31.01 | root_at | malane: ok good. hf |
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| 18:34.08 | soul9 | yeah |
| 18:34.08 | soul9 | i did that |
| 18:34.08 | root_at | does the freerunner charg while he is in suspend? |
| 18:34.08 | soul9 | here is thel ine i just did |
| 18:34.09 | soul9 | ip link set dev usb0 up; ip addr replace 192.168.0.136/24 dev usb0; ip route add 192.168.0.202 via 192.168.0.136 dev usb0 |
| 18:34.13 | root_at | (if he is connected) |
| 18:34.33 | AntonTakk | soul9: what OS? |
| 18:34.37 | soul9 | gentoo |
| 18:34.46 | soul9 | i can connect to the freerunner |
| 18:35.05 | soul9 | but it can't see the internetz |
| 18:35.05 | soul9 | :-( |
| 18:35.19 | AntonTakk | have dns setup on the fr? |
| 18:35.33 | AntonTakk | also, have packet forarding setup on the host? |
| 18:35.40 | malane | soul9: you can connect to the freerunner but you can't ping an IP/domain? |
| 18:35.47 | soul9 | yeah |
| 18:35.48 | soul9 | exactly |
| 18:35.50 | malane | you can ssh though? |
| 18:36.00 | soul9 | maybe need to enable iptables, though routing should be enough... |
| 18:36.05 | soul9 | yeah, i can ssh in |
| 18:36.24 | malane | on your FR, type "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and tell me what comes up |
| 18:39.00 | soul9 | but no internet from the freerunner |
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| 18:40.22 | malane | soul9: type "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and tell me the output |
| 18:41.36 | soul9 | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:41.41 | soul9 | (that is my DNS) |
| 18:41.52 | malane | okay |
| 18:41.52 | malane | try |
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| 18:42.23 | malane | echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver 208.67.220.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:42.33 | malane | those are public DNS IP's for anyone to use |
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| 18:43.03 | soul9 | malane: i can't ping those addresses |
| 18:43.09 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 18:43.16 | malane | hm okay |
| 18:43.28 | AntonTakk | on your desktop: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:43.49 | malane | how about "cat /etc/network/interfaces" and tell me what comes right after iface usb0 inet static |
| 18:45.19 | soul9 | HAH |
| 18:45.45 | soul9 | i may have gotten it |
| 18:45.58 | malane | soul9: good |
| 18:46.23 | soul9 | malane: there is no /etc/network/interfaces on gentoo :-) |
| 18:46.45 | malane | your FR is running gentoo? |
| 18:46.55 | malane | whoops :) |
| 18:47.39 | soul9 | oh |
| 18:48.21 | soul9 | no |
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| 18:48.56 | lindi- | malane: if you put those ips to resolv.conf then list of all sites you visit with a web browser will be sent to USA? |
| 18:49.05 | malane | soul9: well if you've gotten your internet to work you're fine anyway :) |
| 18:49.27 | malane | lindi-: all of your DNS requests will be sent to U.S. servers |
| 18:49.32 | soul9 | looks like the dns is not working |
| 18:49.40 | lindi- | malane: yeah and they contain the names of the web sites I visit |
| 18:49.48 | malane | lindi-: yes |
| 18:49.59 | malane | soul9: you can ping IP's but not domains? your issue lies in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:51.49 | Dave | Speedevil, you around? |
| 18:52.06 | soul9 | malane: no it doesn't |
| 18:52.16 | soul9 | i had to forward the domain ports |
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| 19:32.18 | soul9 | works nicely, now for the update... |
| 19:32.25 | soul9 | Cannot find package udev-static-devices. |
| 19:32.33 | soul9 | anyone know a solution for this one? |
| 19:32.39 | soul9 | tried to install it, didn't work |
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| 19:33.09 | soul9 | maybe the upgrade doesn't work and i should just flash the phone with a newer image? |
| 19:34.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rdbe8508e07dc 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: add support for bluez 4.x |
| 19:34.43 | root_at | in the shr mailing list someone mentioned that it would be possible that opkg update/upgrade doesnt work..you are talking about shr? |
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| 19:46.57 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: Android has Net!!! |
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| 19:47.51 | nuclear_eclipse | and I'm posting this from irssi in screen over ssh from my G1! |
| 19:48.15 | Mononoke | what's up with git.openmoko.org ? |
| 19:51.15 | soul9 | what is the kernel name in the release? |
| 19:51.26 | soul9 | here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
| 19:53.19 | Alinermedia | Hello? |
| 19:53.20 | lindi- | nuclear_eclipse: with proprietary wlan drivers of course? ;) |
| 19:53.30 | Alinermedia | Anybody having problems with the git repository |
| 19:53.41 | lindi- | Alinermedia: yep |
| 19:53.45 | Alinermedia | It is resufing conections |
| 19:54.01 | lindi- | yes |
| 19:54.05 | Alinermedia | lindi: thank you. Are they doing maintenance? |
| 19:54.10 | lindi- | no idea |
| 19:54.19 | Alinermedia | lindi: Thanks |
| 19:54.39 | soul9 | what is usually in the kernel's filename? |
| 19:54.43 | nuclear_eclipse | lindi-: I'm definitely not arguing the "openness" (or lack thereof) in the G1... ;) |
| 19:54.53 | soul9 | here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ i can't find a 'kernel' |
| 19:56.21 | soul9 | :-( |
| 19:57.05 | nuclear_eclipse | soul9: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9-gta02-20081106.uImage.bin |
| 19:57.20 | soul9 | ok |
| 19:57.22 | nuclear_eclipse | that's the kernel image |
| 19:57.32 | soul9 | i was confised and didn't want to get u-boot by mistake |
| 19:57.34 | soul9 | thank you |
| 19:57.35 | nuclear_eclipse | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2 is the root filesystem image |
| 19:57.38 | nuclear_eclipse | yw |
| 19:58.16 | nuclear_eclipse | I would posit that 'uImage' is probably the worst and most misleading filename for a kernel that I've seen |
| 19:58.34 | lindi- | nuclear_eclipse: what should it be? |
| 19:58.52 | root_at | kernel? |
| 19:58.59 | soul9 | nuclear_eclipse: see ;-) |
| 19:59.00 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, Om2008.9-xxxx.kernel.bin would be nice, I thimk |
| 19:59.07 | lindi- | nuclear_eclipse: how would you name zImage? |
| 19:59.19 | soul9 | yeah, i *thought* it was uimage, but wasn't sure |
| 19:59.44 | nuclear_eclipse | at least if they could name the images after the DFU alternate that it should get imaged to.... |
| 19:59.52 | root_at | does my freerunner boot noticeable faster when i install qi? |
| 20:00.00 | soul9 | they could also provide md5's |
| 20:00.08 | nuclear_eclipse | +1 to the md5s |
| 20:00.12 | soul9 | signatures are not that important, but md5s are |
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| 20:01.17 | soul9 | also, a simple guide to flashing each release, with appropriate filenames would resolv all ambiguity ;-) |
| 20:01.39 | soul9 | but i guess that's what the siki is there for.. |
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| 20:05.21 | lindi- | nuclear_eclipse: dfu-alternate? |
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| 20:08.56 | Alinermedia | git is up |
| 20:09.03 | lindi- | Alinermedia: thanks |
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| 20:10.05 | xteraco | hi |
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| 20:10.15 | xteraco | anyone know if multiplexing works in 2008.12? |
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| 20:10.42 | xteraco | out of the box i mean |
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| 20:11.18 | xteraco | ? |
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| 20:13.22 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
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| 20:13.53 | AntonTakk | hey Dave, hows it going? |
| 20:14.30 | Dave | Uhh, it's going |
| 20:14.32 | Dave | Busily |
| 20:14.33 | soul9 | awww, usb is so slow :-( |
| 20:14.38 | Dave | Sadly openmoko isn't going :P |
| 20:14.40 | StOrM_NW | i m trying to lauch gnome-player at om 2008.12 but i m getting this message from GConf "Client failed to connect to D-BUS daemon: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-BUS session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.". i got the ipkg from angstrom repository, is there anything that i can do to fix this problem with dbus? |
| 20:14.43 | Dave | (very wel, that is) |
| 20:14.58 | Dave | Anton, actually up until an hour ago I was still pouring over laptops :) |
| 20:15.12 | AntonTakk | ah, decide on one? |
| 20:15.23 | Dave | haha unfortunately not yet |
| 20:15.27 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 20:15.30 | Dave | though I *need* one, so I'll end up buying something! |
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| 20:15.45 | Dave | Probably HP or lenovo, though for a time asus was looking convincing (for notebooks) |
| 20:15.46 | AntonTakk | you know you want that tadpole viper ;) |
| 20:15.52 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 20:15.55 | Dave | fuck solaris |
| 20:16.01 | soul9 | +1 |
| 20:16.02 | Dave | it's bad enough on some of our lab workstations |
| 20:16.10 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 20:16.28 | Dave | I'd take FBSD6 over Solaris10 anyday for my clusters, thank you P |
| 20:16.29 | Dave | :P |
| 20:16.40 | soul9 | Dave: where are you? there is clevo and zepto who make allright laptops |
| 20:17.01 | Dave | Soul9, yeah, I know. My last one was by clevo, I believe. |
| 20:17.08 | soul9 | i see |
| 20:17.11 | Dave | It was great and held up for several years. |
| 20:17.15 | soul9 | ok |
| 20:17.27 | soul9 | dell? ⺠|
| 20:17.33 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 20:17.47 | Dave | Sure, if their prices were reasonable. |
| 20:17.57 | AntonTakk | :) understandably, i'm a rhel/centos and fedora guy my self, but i'm trying to learn some of the big iron stuff, solaris, aix, etc |
| 20:18.03 | Dave | and you could look past all the other stuff |
| 20:18.11 | soul9 | lenovo is way more expensive than dell |
| 20:18.18 | Dave | I disagree |
| 20:18.24 | Dave | at least it's better quality |
| 20:18.24 | soul9 | 0_o |
| 20:18.37 | Dave | Soul, check out their latest latitude line |
| 20:18.45 | AntonTakk | oh, yeah, lenovo is way better quality than dell |
| 20:18.52 | soul9 | the ones with the TPMs in them? |
| 20:18.57 | soul9 | ⺠|
| 20:18.58 | Dave | it's optional, but yes |
| 20:19.03 | AntonTakk | magnesium frames <3 |
| 20:19.06 | Dave | :D |
| 20:19.10 | Dave | not plastic :P |
| 20:19.32 | soul9 | NO |
| 20:19.36 | Dave | it's like, ooh hey, what does this button do... *aaaaaaaaah* why did my computer just fall apart into a million pieces!? (Dell) |
| 20:19.38 | soul9 | it's not optional at all |
| 20:19.47 | Dave | it's funny, because people who own dell laptops WISH it was that simple |
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| 20:19.54 | AntonTakk | soul9: every tpm i have encountered to date either required a driver, and/or could be disabled in bios just like any other peripheral |
| 20:19.56 | Dave | alas, they feature things like that on their desktop PCs |
| 20:20.06 | Dave | Anton, yeah |
| 20:20.12 | soul9 | AntonTakk: well, they are obfuscated devices |
| 20:20.19 | Dave | Soul9, the first thing you get on their website when you click on one of them is TPM vs NO TPM |
| 20:20.25 | soul9 | just that you turn it off doesn't mean it'll do a thing |
| 20:20.30 | Dave | and later you see it's just an optional peripheral or so they categorize it |
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| 20:20.52 | soul9 | well, the latitudes i've seen all had tpms in them |
| 20:21.00 | soul9 | and it wasn't optional |
| 20:21.02 | soul9 | but meh |
| 20:21.08 | soul9 | (.fr) |
| 20:21.41 | soul9 | someone was looking for a laptop, they even called in to ask wether the tpm was really optional or not |
| 20:21.57 | soul9 | this is a specific intel platform that has the tpm, no? |
| 20:22.57 | Dave | probably yes |
| 20:23.00 | Dave | But who cares? |
| 20:23.13 | Dave | It's only valued (by dell) at $20 :P |
| 20:23.27 | soul9 | heh |
| 20:23.37 | Dave | so save $20 if you don't have a company which requires it |
| 20:23.41 | Dave | which is pretty much everyone |
| 20:24.08 | soul9 | don't buy a latitude ;-) |
| 20:24.19 | Dave | This was our initial point. |
| 20:24.20 | Dave | hah |
| 20:24.28 | soul9 | Dave: dunno, i got an older inspiron here, it's very good, i have to say |
| 20:24.31 | Dave | though actually out of all the dells, I do stand by most of their latitude lines. |
| 20:24.38 | Dave | Soul9, I still use a 10yr old latitude |
| 20:24.41 | Dave | It works great! |
| 20:24.41 | soul9 | the ones which has the white borders |
| 20:24.45 | soul9 | :-) |
| 20:24.46 | Dave | and has stood the test of time and spills |
| 20:24.48 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Dave :) |
| 20:24.52 | soul9 | haha |
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| 20:24.53 | Dave | their newer stuff is still shit in comparison |
| 20:24.59 | Dave | but the latitudes are the best of dell's crap |
| 20:25.01 | soul9 | i see |
| 20:25.20 | malane | has anyone ever received dfu-util error -71? |
| 20:25.31 | Dave | the modern inspirons are primarily disposable in my opinion, or too bulky |
| 20:25.35 | malane | my dfu-util is also telling me it can't find any alternate settings. I've never encountered these problems before |
| 20:25.38 | Dave | they make for good student laptops though hah |
| 20:25.44 | nuclear_eclipse | malane: what's the error message to go with that number? |
| 20:25.44 | Dave | oh and hey, nuclear eclipse :) |
| 20:25.55 | soul9 | Dave: i tell you, i'm very happy (inspiron 640m) |
| 20:25.58 | soul9 | 14" |
| 20:25.59 | [df] | likes disposable laptops |
| 20:26.03 | malane | just says error during download |
| 20:26.06 | soul9 | very nice machine, i have to say |
| 20:26.17 | malane | Starting download: [dfu_download error -71 |
| 20:26.18 | nuclear_eclipse | malane: make sur you have root privileges? |
| 20:26.20 | soul9 | malane: try again? :-) |
| 20:26.29 | Mononoke | hmm shr mokomakefile forkbombs my system :/ |
| 20:26.30 | malane | yes, I'm on as root |
| 20:26.37 | malane | I've tried about 7 times |
| 20:26.40 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 20:26.45 | Dave | oh snap |
| 20:26.47 | nuclear_eclipse | what's the full command you're running? |
| 20:26.50 | Dave | malane, try a different usb cable? |
| 20:26.59 | Dave | unless it fails in the exact same spot? :x |
| 20:27.02 | malane | dfu-util -R -a u-boot -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin |
| 20:27.05 | Mononoke | malane: dmesg on your kernel doesn't show any problem ? |
| 20:27.09 | Dave | Mononoke, nice |
| 20:27.10 | malane | I only have one usb cable :( |
| 20:27.23 | Dave | aw |
| 20:27.40 | soul9 | uh oh |
| 20:27.41 | Dave | I had that same problem a while back but using a new usb cable or trying it 40 times on the broken one worked :P |
| 20:27.53 | Mononoke | malane: I use to have similar errors from time to time and it's broken kernel on my laptop :) |
| 20:28.01 | Dave | eh oh |
| 20:28.01 | malane | [ 1305.631512] usb 4-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 128 rq 6 len 255 ret -71 |
| 20:28.05 | Dave | D: |
| 20:28.05 | malane | a ton of those |
| 20:28.13 | soul9 | change kerner |
| 20:28.17 | soul9 | kernel* |
| 20:28.19 | malane | k |
| 20:28.25 | soul9 | on the machine your flashing from |
| 20:28.26 | malane | the older kernel I have loaded doesn't have wifi |
| 20:28.29 | malane | and I'm in class :( |
| 20:28.39 | soul9 | :-( |
| 20:28.41 | malane | brb |
| 20:28.53 | nuclear_eclipse | speaking of class, /me needs to head to one.... |
| 20:28.54 | soul9 | flashing u-boot "in class" |
| 20:29.03 | Mononoke | Dave: lucky part is that dunno when they added it but kernel stops forking at 20k processes and I have no limits set ^,^ |
| 20:29.13 | Dave | sweet? |
| 20:29.16 | soul9 | :-D |
| 20:29.19 | Dave | though I still wouldn't regard that as a good thing :P |
| 20:29.27 | soul9 | hahah |
| 20:29.28 | Dave | Malane, aw |
| 20:29.36 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: me too :P |
| 20:29.55 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: my biggest regret from getting a G1/Android was that I would miss Net and Inertia, but alas, the oh-puzzles pack is on the Android market too! |
| 20:29.57 | Dave | malane, will you be around later? |
| 20:29.59 | Mononoke | well try forkbombing your machine, I don't think you'll make it out without reboot |
| 20:30.21 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, lucky you :P |
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| 20:30.26 | Dave | kicks nuclear_eclipse |
| 20:30.29 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 20:30.33 | Dave | jerk :P |
| 20:30.36 | Dave | :D |
| 20:30.54 | Dave | damn |
| 20:30.57 | nuclear_eclipse | is still keeping his Neo around ;) |
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| 20:31.22 | nuclear_eclipse | bye Dave, later all |
| 20:31.48 | AntonTakk | Dave: i have been considering getting a g1 also, it is very nice hardware |
| 20:31.55 | soul9 | you really bought that thing from T-kom? |
| 20:32.04 | soul9 | T-mobil, or whatever |
| 20:32.09 | soul9 | just the 'big T' |
| 20:32.46 | AntonTakk | soul9: if it fits or exceeds your needs, and is within your budget, why not? |
| 20:33.21 | soul9 | because T is bad, and google is bad? |
| 20:33.23 | soul9 | ;-P |
| 20:33.59 | soul9 | whatever, i guess i'll try out android some time too |
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| 20:35.03 | AntonTakk | i tried android on the fr and thought it was kinda nice |
| 20:35.34 | AntonTakk | lacking a few software bits for running on a phone with only two buttons, but not bad otherwise |
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| 20:36.53 | AntonTakk | also, imho a smart phone should have a hardware kb |
| 20:37.09 | soul9 | well, i think a small usb kb is fine... |
| 20:37.22 | soul9 | err |
| 20:37.27 | soul9 | s/usb/bluetooth |
| 20:37.28 | AntonTakk | i don't want to have to cary a ton of accessories |
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| 20:37.55 | malane | nope |
| 20:37.56 | soul9 | the fr small.. |
| 20:38.00 | malane | different kernel didn't work |
| 20:38.06 | soul9 | :-( |
| 20:38.22 | malane | it's almost finishing a dfu-util download of the u-boot, but it fails with error code -71 toward the end |
| 20:38.29 | soul9 | other usb port? |
| 20:38.30 | malane | perhaps it is my cable, too bad I don't have another |
| 20:38.30 | soul9 | :-) |
| 20:38.44 | malane | already swapped usb ports |
| 20:38.50 | AntonTakk | soul9: it's roughly the same size as my wing, but my wing has a hardware kb :) |
| 20:39.10 | soul9 | but doesn't have gps/accelerometer/wifi/..? |
| 20:39.15 | malane | Starting download: [###################################dfu_download error -71 |
| 20:39.18 | malane | :( |
| 20:40.00 | AntonTakk | soul9: it has wifi, no gps and no accelerometers, but otoh, those are just neat toys to have in the phone |
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| 20:40.42 | soul9 | heh |
| 20:40.45 | soul9 | exactly |
| 20:41.26 | AntonTakk | soul9: my wing can reliably make and receive calls/sms/email/etc all day ;) |
| 20:41.40 | soul9 | heh |
| 20:42.36 | Dave | Hey malane :) |
| 20:42.42 | malane | first try I get a dfu-util error -71 then all attempts after that until I reboot into the FR's bootloader will result in "no alternate setting" |
| 20:43.35 | Dave | hmm |
| 20:43.36 | Dave | strange |
| 20:43.41 | malane | yeah |
| 20:43.42 | Dave | is that with a different kernel? |
| 20:44.01 | soul9 | yea |
| 20:44.23 | malane | I've tried 2.26 and 2.18 |
| 20:44.32 | malane | er |
| 20:44.34 | Dave | o.O |
| 20:44.40 | malane | 2.6.18 and 2.6.27 |
| 20:44.43 | malane | whoops :) |
| 20:44.45 | Dave | Ah :) |
| 20:44.48 | Dave | Okay :P |
| 20:44.52 | Dave | damn, well that sucks |
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| 20:45.11 | Dave | Honestly, I'd say try another cable :( |
| 20:45.19 | Dave | because I've tried it and it runs on those kernels |
| 20:45.25 | Dave | at least 2.6.18 |
| 20:45.31 | Dave | and 2.6.24/26 |
| 20:45.35 | soul9 | .17 fine here |
| 20:45.40 | soul9 | and .16 |
| 20:45.41 | Dave | so there you go :P |
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| 20:45.44 | soul9 | err |
| 20:45.46 | malane | I've used both kernels and never had an issue before this |
| 20:45.51 | Dave | damn |
| 20:45.57 | Dave | So it's worked up until now? |
| 20:46.08 | soul9 | cable.. |
| 20:46.09 | malane | yep |
| 20:46.22 | malane | very strange |
| 20:46.50 | slaxxin | maybe theres some blanket fuzz across the terminals |
| 20:47.00 | slaxxin | :) |
| 20:47.12 | soul9 | bofh way ;-) |
| 20:47.37 | malane | what worries me is the cable works for SSH |
| 20:47.49 | malane | and everything else except dfu-util |
| 20:48.00 | slaxxin | maybe your dru is corrupt |
| 20:48.04 | slaxxin | dfu |
| 20:48.14 | malane | perhaps |
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| 20:49.53 | Dave | malane, that's not surprising |
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| 20:50.08 | Dave | malane, does your usb connection ever die episodically? |
| 20:50.12 | Dave | Have you left it on for hours? |
| 20:50.39 | malane | I left it on overnight the other night and it was fine |
| 20:50.51 | Dave | hmm, yeah I don't know, weird |
| 20:50.58 | malane | my enlightenment is segfaulting on boot because my net dropped on an opkg upgrade |
| 20:51.03 | malane | overnight |
| 20:51.05 | Dave | My initial suggestion would be to try another cable, but since you don't have one at hand, I'm not sure |
| 20:51.11 | malane | cable was okay but the wireless internet dropped |
| 20:51.13 | Dave | malane, ouch :X |
| 20:51.18 | Dave | sucky :\ |
| 20:51.20 | malane | I'll have to try one when I get home in about two hours |
| 20:51.26 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 20:51.28 | malane | yeah im a sitting duck now |
| 20:51.30 | Dave | I hope it works out though |
| 20:51.36 | Dave | Malane, trust me, I've been there :p |
| 20:51.41 | Dave | and yeah, it sucks |
| 20:52.02 | Dave | or running off to a class, and realizing I forgot to install the keyboard, so it's all ready to go but I have no way of inputting anything :D |
| 20:52.04 | xteraco | anyone know if multiplexing works out of the box in 2008.12? |
| 20:52.07 | Dave | aahh, good times :P |
| 20:52.37 | Dave | or worse, putting it back together and taking it with me, but then realizing the microsd which had the OS on it, was still sitting in the cardreader on my desk :P |
| 20:52.40 | Dave | oy -_- |
| 20:52.46 | laen | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/bush_dies_peacefully_in_his |
| 20:53.05 | Dave | LAEN |
| 20:53.51 | laen | DAVE |
| 20:54.20 | laen | \o/ |
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| 20:58.45 | malane | now my SSH is finnicky. it has to be my cable |
| 21:02.53 | soul9 | anyone know in fdom how one exits an app? |
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| 21:10.08 | malane | soul9: press the top bar which lists running processes, and at the bottom left corner you'll see "REMOVE" |
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| 21:10.22 | malane | which kills your current active process |
| 21:11.52 | JRD | hi |
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| 21:13.35 | JRD | Is there someone using OM 2008.8, ASU, and illume (raster) keybord ? |
| 21:13.41 | JRD | *2008.12 |
| 21:17.10 | soul9 | malane: top bar "locks" for me :( |
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| 21:17.51 | malane | soul9: that's no fun :( |
| 21:18.19 | malane | I found out I accidently snagged my roommates cable too, and have been using that the whole time. My actual cable was in my backpack and everything is flashing fine now. Apparently his cable sucks :( |
| 21:22.23 | soul9 | heh |
| 21:22.55 | lindi- | if only instead of usb we had ethernet :P |
| 21:23.43 | soul9 | yeah heh |
| 21:23.52 | soul9 | tftp :-) |
| 21:24.35 | malane | okay so who knows a bit about signals and serial communication? |
| 21:24.42 | malane | like, communication basics over wires |
| 21:27.03 | JRD | hum...for my problem...someone can help ? |
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| 21:28.02 | StOrM_NW | malane, heh ... are ya planning to fix your roomate's cable? :P |
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| 21:35.43 | AntonTakk | JRD: sorry, i stopped using 2008.x ay 2008.8 :) |
| 21:35.43 | AntonTakk | s/ay/at/ |
| 21:35.44 | JRD | oh |
| 21:35.44 | JRD | what are you using now ? |
| 21:35.44 | JRD | I'm a bit lost between all distros |
| 21:35.44 | AntonTakk | i have fso ms 4.1 on my fr, but i do not use it as my daily phone |
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| 21:35.53 | AntonTakk | wow |
| 21:35.56 | AntonTakk | slow bot |
| 21:36.51 | JRD | lol |
| 21:36.54 | StOrM_NW | hehe, any 2009.x already released? |
| 21:36.55 | JRD | cool bot ! |
| 21:37.08 | JRD | I don't think so |
| 21:37.17 | JRD | or didn't find |
| 21:37.29 | StOrM_NW | so the last one is still the 2008.12? |
| 21:37.34 | StOrM_NW | stable i mean |
| 21:37.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4892 10/developers/werner/bin/wlanscan: Also display the channel number. |
| 21:37.40 | JRD | AntonTakk : I broke my main phone, so I will use my FR as my main phone for now |
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| 21:37.58 | JRD | It seams StOrM_NW |
| 21:38.06 | soul9 | heh, buying a SIM with a phone was less expensive than buying it without lol |
| 21:39.15 | JRD | if you don't take into account that you're bound to an operator for 1 or 2 years |
| 21:39.49 | soul9 | this is a prepay-type card |
| 21:39.55 | soul9 | no way i do that!! |
| 21:40.02 | JRD | btw, I've already purchase the FR for 4 months |
| 21:40.15 | JRD | the change is that now I will try to use it on a daily basis |
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| 21:55.41 | vanous123 | hmm, anyone knows why fso-gpsd doesn't let me in? |
| 21:55.41 | vanous123 | gpspipe -r freerunner gpsd |
| 21:55.41 | vanous123 | gpspipe: could not connect to gpsd freerunner:2947, Connection refused(111) |
| 21:56.21 | JRD | don't know, sorry |
| 21:56.40 | AntonTakk | JRD: my best luck for a daily phone has been with FSO, zhone (the testing app/phone gui) is somewhat feature-free, but can be made much more user friendly with a few small (one line) additions to it's python code |
| 21:57.14 | coldfyre__ | vanous123: it sounds like the daemon is not running? |
| 21:57.39 | AntonTakk | JRD: also, fso ms 5 is due out in like 9 days and looks like it will be a considerable improvement over it's previous versions |
| 21:57.49 | JRD | ok |
| 21:58.01 | JRD | on what is based FSO ? |
| 21:58.09 | AntonTakk | JRD: shr |
| 21:58.13 | vanous123 | coldfyre__: i have no problem connecting to it localy, but if i wanna use it from desktop via usb line no luck :( |
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| 21:58.32 | malane | FSO uses zhone? |
| 21:58.44 | JRD | i'm a bit lost |
| 21:58.53 | JRD | @_@ |
| 21:58.58 | AntonTakk | JRD: i am hoping to have my own phone gui app ready, or close to ready to hav fso dbus guts added by ms 5 |
| 21:59.09 | vanous123 | coldfyre__: usb networking is no issue here, but host.allow/deny do not exists and i am not sure abut default behavior |
| 21:59.19 | malane | zhone is a telephony package, and I know for sure it's used by Debian on the FR. I thought it was also used by SHR/FSO |
| 21:59.20 | AntonTakk | malane: the fso-zhone image ships with zhone |
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| 21:59.23 | Sascha | vanous123: start fso-gpsd without '-S localhost:gpsd' |
| 21:59.41 | malane | AntonTakk: you designed your own telephony suite? |
| 21:59.45 | AntonTakk | malane: zhone is the fso testing app, |
| 21:59.55 | vanous123 | coldfyre__: 1421 ? Ss 0:23 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid |
| 22:00.04 | malane | AntonTakk: yeah zhone isn't very usable imo |
| 22:00.07 | AntonTakk | malane: yeah, it's mostly an empty gui atm, but i am trying to whip it in to shape |
| 22:00.14 | JRD | OM 2008.12 is based on SHR ? |
| 22:00.21 | AntonTakk | JRD: no |
| 22:00.28 | malane | AntonTakk: what did you use to write it? I'd like to write my own telephony suite and I know C, Java etc. |
| 22:00.38 | AntonTakk | C, and efl |
| 22:00.40 | malane | AntonTakk: I just don't want to use python |
| 22:00.42 | soul9 | shr is an updated 2008.12? |
| 22:00.50 | AntonTakk | kinda using it to learn both :) |
| 22:00.55 | AntonTakk | soul9: no |
| 22:01.02 | malane | AntonTakk: do you have a link to your source so I could check it out? I'm looking for something basic to learn off of |
| 22:01.03 | soul9 | heh |
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| 22:01.52 | malane | AntonTakk: what are you using efl for? |
| 22:01.54 | AntonTakk | malane: i have a really old bit on my web server, but i can up a recent copy in about 2.5 hours, if you'll still be around |
| 22:02.02 | AntonTakk | malane: the gui |
| 22:02.58 | vanous123 | coldfyre__: do you think fso-gpsd provides the same networking options as gpsd? |
| 22:03.19 | AntonTakk | malane: i like efl because to me it seems you aren't so much writing a gui app, as you are writing an app and writing a gui, and they talk to eachother |
| 22:03.44 | JRD | I'm a bit lost with differents parts/distros for FR. I read the wiki over and over and It's not clear. |
| 22:03.47 | malane | AntonTakk: I'll be gone in 2.5 hrs but if you could point me to the location which you'll be placing it, that would be awesome |
| 22:03.47 | AntonTakk | it also makes creating your gui extreemly fast |
| 22:04.03 | JRD | On what component, the OM2008.x distros are based ? |
| 22:04.14 | AntonTakk | malane: http://www.poolofdespair.net/pub/phoneui |
| 22:04.21 | malane | AntonTakk: I don't really know anything about efl. and thanks |
| 22:05.07 | AntonTakk | JRD: 2008.x is the old phone stack that was qtopia ported to X11 |
| 22:05.24 | AntonTakk | JRD: FSO is the future of OM's phone guts |
| 22:05.42 | AntonTakk | JRD: shr is a gui/apps on top of fso |
| 22:05.50 | malane | AntonTakk: how usable is FSO? as a daily phone? |
| 22:06.11 | JRD | Thank you very much AntonTakk !!! |
| 22:06.30 | AntonTakk | malane: ime it varies, not bad, but you probably want to reboot your phone every few hours and keep a spare battery, just in case |
| 22:07.05 | malane | AntonTakk: not reliable enough for me. a new milestone is coming out soon, will that fix any of these issues? |
| 22:07.20 | AntonTakk | malane: i'm personally hoping ms5 can eliminate the having to reboot bit and maybe the sleep stuff too |
| 22:08.11 | malane | AntonTakk: that would be good |
| 22:08.47 | AntonTakk | malane: yeah, i can hack zhone togather in to a half usable ui untill i get my own app going :) |
| 22:09.24 | soul9 | but where is the shr image? |
| 22:09.35 | soul9 | they only provide kernels? |
| 22:09.40 | AntonTakk | soul9: somewhere on shr.bearstech.com |
| 22:10.04 | Sharwin_F | soul9, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 22:10.05 | JRD | shr is usable on a daily basis ? |
| 22:10.20 | AntonTakk | JRD: dunno, i don't use it |
| 22:10.32 | Sharwin_F | JRD, I use shr unstable as my daily phone |
| 22:10.36 | soul9 | gotta compile it |
| 22:10.43 | JRD | ok Sharwin_F |
| 22:10.48 | Sharwin_F | i don't use mobile a lot, but it works ok I think :) |
| 22:11.05 | malane | AntonTakk: how did you compile your source? using the openmoko toolchain stuff? |
| 22:11.10 | JRD | I need to call, have contacts and email working |
| 22:11.18 | JRD | s/email/SMS/ |
| 22:11.23 | malane | AntonTakk: one thing that makes debian extremely attractive is that it just uses gcc, and none of this toolchain crap |
| 22:11.32 | Sharwin_F | use it to listen to music when going and coming from classes, and a few calls and sms |
| 22:12.01 | JRD | good |
| 22:12.03 | Sharwin_F | JRD, it should work |
| 22:12.13 | JRD | I'll give it a try then :) |
| 22:12.43 | Sharwin_F | but be careful, as it's unstable sometimes you get some bugs depending on the image or when updating with opkg |
| 22:12.48 | AntonTakk | malane: i have been doing the dev on my desktop |
| 22:13.00 | JRD | After reading the Wiki and with the help of AntonTakk for understanding the different components, I thing FSO is the way to go for FR |
| 22:13.03 | AntonTakk | so i just use gcc to compile |
| 22:13.08 | malane | oh |
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| 22:13.25 | malane | I'm excited to see more from the debian team, and what android can do |
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| 22:13.37 | malane | but if all three--FSO, debian, and android--were very usable, that would be great |
| 22:13.39 | JRD | ok Sharwin_F , but btw FR is for dev atm |
| 22:14.26 | AntonTakk | malane: i have a readme file in the tarball with has a few notes, including the command line needed to compile |
| 22:14.39 | AntonTakk | and as best i can figure the libs you'll need :) |
| 22:14.47 | malane | my FDOM enlightenment just SEGV'd again, and keeps doing it. I JUST reflashed it and simply opkg update && opkg upgrad'd |
| 22:14.48 | muxe | OffTopic: Does anybody know a open source tool to capture websites as image? I want to capture a large page and I don't want to scroll and screencap every single page |
| 22:14.49 | Sharwin_F | JRD, yes, just be carefull when updating :) |
| 22:14.58 | malane | AntonTakk: thanks |
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| 22:15.47 | AntonTakk | malane: and you got the link, right? |
| 22:16.35 | malane | AntonTakk: yep |
| 22:17.13 | AntonTakk | muxe: have cups print it as a pdf? |
| 22:18.10 | muxe | one possibility... mhh... I remember I tried this once and it had awful quality, but I'll have a look. thx |
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| 23:06.11 | johnsu01 | So, trying the fso-testing image but zhone does not seem to be installable because of a libpython issue? |
| 23:06.58 | johnsu01 | opkg says it can't satisfy * libpython2.5-1.0 (>= 2.5.2) * |
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| 23:08.44 | rwhitby | johnsu01: isn't zhone already part of the fso-testing image? |
| 23:08.53 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: not the one I just grabbed.. |
| 23:09.13 | rwhitby | where did you grab it from? |
| 23:10.06 | rwhitby | i.e. did the fso-testing image come from the same place as the single fso-testing feed in your opkg conf? |
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| 23:10.41 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 23:11.14 | johnsu01 | I tried installing zhone with the default feeds in the image |
| 23:11.58 | rwhitby | what opkg command did you use? |
| 23:12.31 | johnsu01 | opkg install zhone |
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| 23:13.29 | rwhitby | looks on the autobuilder ... |
| 23:13.38 | jonsmith1982 | is shr able to suspend only when not powered by usb? |
| 23:13.45 | rwhitby | armv4t/libpython2.6-1.0_2.6.1-ml0_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:13.45 | rwhitby | armv5te/libpython2.6-1.0_2.6.1-ml0_armv5te.ipk |
| 23:13.47 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: it doesn't make sense, because there is a newer libpython installed than the dependency requires |
| 23:13.56 | johnsu01 | but it's still complaining |
| 23:14.04 | rwhitby | armv4t/zhone_0.0.2+gitrcf48d98b8e994d6a7698fbc6f0689126892895f9-r11_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:14.17 | rwhitby | johnsu01: are those the versions opkg is seeing in the feed? |
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| 23:14.32 | johnsu01 | that's the zhone version, yes |
| 23:14.33 | rwhitby | (ignore the armv5te one, that's for a780) |
| 23:15.11 | rwhitby | ah, it looks like a python 2.5 -> python 2.6 migration problem |
| 23:15.14 | rwhitby | mickey|bbiab: ^^ |
| 23:15.17 | johnsu01 | and yes, the same with libpython |
| 23:17.08 | rwhitby | johnsu01: my guess is that all packages that depend on libpython need their PR bumped so they rebuild on the autobuilder. |
| 23:17.45 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: okay, thanks for checking that out |
| 23:18.12 | rwhitby | johnsu01: best thing would be to raise a ticket on fso.org and include this irc conversation. |
| 23:18.22 | rwhitby | then mickey|bbiab can deal with it |
| 23:18.26 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: okay, I have to hit the train but I'll do that when I get home |
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| 23:37.15 | gfather | hello guys |
| 23:37.55 | gfather | ifconfig usb0 192.168.4.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:38.41 | gfather | gives me : siocgifflags: no such device |
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| 23:39.03 | zogg_ | nn |
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| 23:53.44 | alfatangoxt | is away: ................ |
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