| 00:10.43 | mwester-laptop | brian__: the buzz is dependent upon the frequency band in use, and your distance from a tower. So, the correct statement would be "I get no buzz on AT&T-USA at the locations I have tested so far". ;-) |
| 00:11.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | buzz depends on provider/gsm-band, on (cell)location, on (micro +-3m) location, on way to hold the phone, on (car 5m away, open door) local situation, and on a number of even more subtle details. But on average it seems some providers a 10s of times more prone to buzz than others |
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| 01:21.26 | brian__ | ok thats correct |
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| 01:30.06 | AntonTakk1 | :) 8g usd card in my fr :) |
| 01:30.36 | AntonTakk1 | they also had a 16, but i hadn't heard any wrports of any working, so i stuck with 8 |
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| 01:32.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | AntonTakk: I didn't manage to buy a 16G here lacally. So probably there's just a brave tester needed to post the first report |
| 01:33.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | where did you find a 16G card btw? |
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| 01:34.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | AntonTakk1: local store? which one, which country? |
| 01:35.29 | AntonTakk1 | local best buy, denver, co, usa |
| 01:36.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | ahh, ok. so maybe "old europe" takes another few weeks ;-) |
| 01:36.24 | AntonTakk1 | perhaps |
| 01:37.04 | AntonTakk1 | i may pick one up next time i get payed, already spent like 270 on mem cards and video games today |
| 01:37.29 | AntonTakk1 | i should be able to use it with my desktop even if it doesn't work with my fr |
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| 01:38.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | if 8 is ok, 1z should be as well |
| 01:39.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/1z/16/ |
| 01:39.16 | AntonTakk1 | stands to reason, but i didn't want to have to make a trip back to return it |
| 01:39.36 | AntonTakk1 | also, price |
| 01:39.50 | AntonTakk1 | 8 g was $40 |
| 01:40.31 | Zorkman_ | and 16? |
| 01:40.46 | AntonTakk1 | was afraid to look :) |
| 01:40.53 | Zorkman_ | :) |
| 01:41.45 | AntonTakk1 | i have this hardware junkie thing, didn't want the temptation |
| 01:41.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | usually ~ x2.2 |
| 01:42.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | AntonTakk: :))) |
| 01:43.24 | Zorkman_ | AntonTakk: isn't circuit city broke? |
| 01:43.30 | Zorkman_ | maybe you can get some sweet deals there :) |
| 01:43.38 | AntonTakk1 | yep, circuit city is going out of business |
| 01:43.44 | AntonTakk1 | maybe |
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| 01:44.18 | AntonTakk1 | but i gots a cc payment, a car payment, and mom and dad may need to borrow 1600 next month |
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| 03:06.01 | brian__ | monday yet/ |
| 03:15.16 | Dave | No, go away! |
| 03:18.04 | brian__ | wa ke up |
| 03:21.42 | brian__ | what no more ultraunstable? |
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| 03:25.23 | brian__ | fso m5 going to come out about the same time as shr baby? |
| 03:25.42 | Dave | maybe |
| 03:25.47 | Dave | uncertain of fso at this point |
| 03:25.54 | Dave | the milestones are really up in the air at this point |
| 03:26.05 | Dave | really depends what bugs are quashed and how fast people can get around to it :) |
| 03:26.09 | brian__ | maybe late |
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| 03:26.15 | Dave | I'd ask in #openmoko-cdevel tomorrow :) |
| 03:26.38 | brian__ | ahhh i will see it when i see it |
| 03:26.51 | Dave | yep yep :) |
| 03:26.53 | Dave | be patient |
| 03:27.44 | brian__ | i installed the 2008.12 improved an i thought it was shr for about a week:) |
| 03:28.12 | Dave | oh hehehee :P |
| 03:28.13 | Dave | surprise! |
| 03:28.23 | brian__ | it was funny |
| 03:29.12 | brian__ | do u have the unstable shr installed today? |
| 03:29.42 | brian__ | i was hoping the sound problems were ironed out |
| 03:35.35 | Dave | I'm not sure. |
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| 05:43.04 | brian__ | he W.E. Phone drastically reduces the E waste and carbon footprint in comparison to a desktop computer by Incorporating a virtual laser keyboard and LED projector in a future mode |
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| 05:58.34 | frankS2 | hmmm |
| 05:58.40 | frankS2 | debian for openmoko must be pretty stable |
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| 06:03.21 | mwester | not sure what you mean by that... |
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| 06:54.15 | gecco | good morning |
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| 08:39.05 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 11:53.14 | projektdotnet | I updated my openmoko to Om2008.12 Update today after not using it for about 2 months, wow what an improvement, better touchscreen, less freezing and much faster boot time, haven't made or received calls yet though |
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| 11:55.39 | alephnull | projektdotnet: Haven't been able to get the full keyboard though. |
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| 11:56.16 | projektdotnet | alephnull: i haven't tried as of yet, read something about having to edit a file in the ASU theme |
| 11:56.58 | alephnull | didn't wfm ... |
| 11:57.29 | henk | don't put too much energy in this release... om is not going to maintain it like it is atm. |
| 11:58.09 | alephnull | What is om planning to maintain then ? |
| 11:58.32 | henk | alephnull: the next releases are going to be based on fso |
| 11:59.01 | projektdotnet | henk: do you know if they'll have a decent front end that actually sends the tones from the keypad for those of us who like to delete voicemail messages? |
| 11:59.05 | dns | fso is the middleware so not much should change |
| 11:59.16 | alephnull | I see. I thought 2008.12 was based on fso. Wasn't 2008.8 ? |
| 11:59.21 | henk | dns: right... let's wait and see. |
| 11:59.24 | dns | shr is what i use |
| 11:59.31 | projektdotnet | alephnull: 2008.8 was not |
| 11:59.32 | henk | alephnull: i don't think so... |
| 11:59.41 | henk | that's 'asu' afaik |
| 11:59.49 | alephnull | ok |
| 11:59.52 | dns | 2008.8 used the qtopia staci |
| 11:59.56 | projektdotnet | henk is right still just an updated ASU right now |
| 11:59.56 | dns | stack |
| 12:00.09 | henk | dns: i have shr in the nand, but i've given up on using the hardware as a phone actually. |
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| 12:01.12 | dns | henk shr would be great if it resumed from suspend consistantly, i can make phone calls and receive sms |
| 12:01.35 | projektdotnet | all I can say is that if they can't get the GTA02 to work as a phone properly I'll probably NOT be purchasing future revisions, I spend $450 to have the phone and I've been stuck on my samsung that constantly restarts and is ready to be replaced |
| 12:02.26 | projektdotnet | I'm actually heavily considering purchasing a G1 |
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| 12:02.38 | henk | dns: shr is nice basically, yes... |
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| 12:02.53 | basus | hello |
| 12:03.32 | basus | has anyone used qt-extended in neo? |
| 12:03.33 | dns | it works as a phone if you use qtopia or the 2008.x series |
| 12:03.51 | henk | basus: yes |
| 12:03.54 | dns | basus i test all of them ocasionally |
| 12:03.56 | henk | dns: no. |
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| 12:04.11 | henk | dns: have you read 'experiences with gta02' on the ML? |
| 12:04.24 | basus | i seem to have trouble to use third-party libraries with the new qbuild system |
| 12:04.45 | dns | henk i gave up on the mailing list months ago |
| 12:05.00 | basus | any ideas how they should be used? |
| 12:05.26 | lindi- | projektdotnet: what part are you working on? |
| 12:05.40 | dns | how would you compile it on your desktop? i believe it uses the same system and just cross compiles it for the hardware |
| 12:05.47 | projektdotnet | lindi-: ?? |
| 12:06.03 | lindi- | projektdotnet: of the phone software |
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| 12:06.17 | henk | dns: ok, craig woodward posted his experiences with 2008.12. quite interesting imho. |
| 12:06.18 | projektdotnet | lindi-: I'm not, I don't know how to program |
| 12:06.20 | dns | projektdotnet make sure you get the dev phone from google so you can potentially change the os |
| 12:07.02 | lindi- | projektdotnet: then it's bit tricky. are you willing to learn? even with little programming knowledge you can do a lot of bug reporting |
| 12:07.09 | dns | henk i might check the archives |
| 12:07.18 | basus | i wonder why they had to stop using the qmake and build qbuild instead |
| 12:07.39 | projektdotnet | lindi-: I'd love to learn but haven't been able to wrap my head around anything harder than a bash script |
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| 12:09.07 | lindi- | projektdotnet: if you have time you can always start learning. however if you don't then it's bit difficult to help indeed |
| 12:09.42 | projektdotnet | lindi-: I've got plenty of time, the job market out here is crap and my car died a couple months ago so I don't often leave the house lol |
| 12:12.02 | projektdotnet | lindi-: the question i have is where do i start? |
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| 12:13.59 | lindi- | gotta hurry to a bus... |
| 12:14.00 | dns | projektdotnet build a desktop app on your compuer first, get something working there then try and port it |
| 12:14.26 | dns | if you know python, perl or java things should be easy |
| 12:14.43 | projektdotnet | java, YUCK |
| 12:15.17 | projektdotnet | I'd probably go for python or perl but I REFUSE to touch java, if I can avoid it I won't even run anything written in java, slows down the PC way too much |
| 12:15.42 | dns | java sucks in startup time but makes up for it in the long run |
| 12:16.09 | alephnull | henk: Do you have a link for Woodward's post ? |
| 12:16.21 | dns | it is getting better and a running app will beat an optomised c app in many situations |
| 12:16.34 | projektdotnet | dns: I used to use java apps but they start sucking up memory and CPU, good example would be azereus |
| 12:16.54 | projektdotnet | err azureus rather |
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| 12:22.15 | PaulFertser_ | Hey, what does "pass the bucket" mean? |
| 12:24.02 | henk | alephnull: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2009-January/004503.html |
| 12:24.10 | alephnull | Thank you. |
| 12:24.46 | henk | PaulFertser_: what's your native language? |
| 12:25.50 | PaulFertser_ | henk: Russian obscene language ;) |
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| 12:26.48 | henk | PaulFertser_: 'to pass something' = 'to give something to someone', 'pass the buck' = 'make someone else responsible for something' i guess. |
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| 12:30.35 | PaulFertser_ | henk: buck==bucket? What's the etimology of this one? And what did Alan Cox mean ( http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7661 ) ? |
| 12:32.43 | henk | PaulFertser_: i couldn't find the idiom 'pass the bucket' at all, so i was assuming you meant 'buck'... wait a sec, i'll read. |
| 12:33.09 | PaulFertser_ | henk: i found "pass the buck" myself, i'm not that bad at googling ;) |
| 12:33.59 | henk | PaulFertser_: i was already wondering 'g' ok, i think it's not an idiom but rather an implication: he needs the bucket so he won't vomit on the floor, i guess... |
| 12:34.12 | henk | that's how i would interpret that. |
| 12:35.44 | projektdotnet | anyone in here using SHR and if so what is your opinion of the current release of SHR? |
| 12:35.50 | PaulFertser_ | henk: Oh, well, thanks a lot for the clarification :) |
| 12:36.45 | henk | PaulFertser_: i'm just guessing. that's what it would mean in german. ask a native english speaker to be sure, perhaps. |
| 12:37.39 | projektdotnet | henk: I've not heard 'pass the bucket' before, I've always seen |
| 12:37.42 | projektdotnet | pass the buck |
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| 12:38.13 | projektdotnet | so I would assume that unless the original speaker meant pass the buck that you would be on the right track |
| 12:39.29 | henk | projektdotnet: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7661 read the whole mail please. the context might give 'pass me a bucket' a meaning. |
| 12:39.49 | henk | projektdotnet: ah good :) |
| 12:40.57 | projektdotnet | henk: after looking over that it does appear the original poster is referring to having a place to vomit, I personally prefer the restroom, easier to clean (just a quick flush and it's gone) |
| 12:41.28 | henk | projektdotnet: hrhr ok |
| 12:42.32 | projektdotnet | now to test SHR, see how well that performs compared to 2008.12 |
| 12:42.51 | projektdotnet | err shr-lite rather |
| 12:45.19 | raph_ael | projektdotnet: i tried shr (full), it was better than 2008.* |
| 12:45.35 | dns | shr full just has more apps |
| 12:45.42 | Ainulindale | Well you might want to wait for the latest unstable |
| 12:45.44 | Ainulindale | e seems slow |
| 12:46.10 | projektdotnet | Ainulindale: since I'm not using this as my day-to-day phone I am just playing around out of boredem right now |
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| 12:48.57 | dns | e is as fast as the hardware can use, it works great on a palm trio |
| 12:50.09 | Ainulindale | dns: e is slow because something was borked in the image, that was the meaning of my comment |
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| 12:50.48 | Ainulindale | and latest kernel seems to happily BSOD my work XP computer |
| 12:51.30 | Ainulindale | So it's a bit tricky to investigate right now |
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| 13:03.38 | projektdotnet | shr-lite, the time is wrong, anyone know how to change that? |
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| 13:09.50 | projektdotnet | nevermind, figured it out |
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| 13:14.51 | vvbi | folks, need your help in making adb work on windows with openmoko |
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| 13:19.00 | p0seid0n_ | hi there |
| 13:20.40 | p0seid0n_ | my regular cell broke so I'm tryin to use my freerunner as my regular phone. but the current distro I use ( OM2008.12 ) has some glitches make it hard to use. Has any of you a *stable/daily use* freeruuner and can recommend a distro/configuratino |
| 13:20.42 | p0seid0n_ | ? |
| 13:22.02 | henk | p0seid0n_: i'd try shr or hackable:1 |
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| 13:22.31 | p0seid0n_ | k. "hackable" sounds not that stable ;-) |
| 13:22.53 | p0seid0n_ | but what about shr? do the use the new 2008.12 kernel ? |
| 13:23.31 | projektdotnet | p0seid0n_: I've got it on the current phone and although it is fairly stable there are some rather annoying issues on it, I'm going back to 2008.12 for now myself |
| 13:23.51 | henk | projektdotnet: what issues? (just curious) |
| 13:24.22 | henk | and i _really_ doubt 2008.12 is any better than shr. afaict it's (apart from 2007.2) the worst distro out there. |
| 13:24.26 | projektdotnet | henk: PIM and SMS issues (not being able to easily store new contacts, not being able to sms using contact's name, etc) |
| 13:24.30 | p0seid0n_ | 2008.12 is pretty fast, but has still some suspend problems for me |
| 13:24.43 | p0seid0n_ | sometimes just does not wakeupt |
| 13:24.52 | henk | hey, being able to sms at all is a good start... |
| 13:25.29 | projektdotnet | henk: other than the annoying keyboard in previous 2008.x versions i hadn't had any problems |
| 13:25.34 | Weiss | wonders how many of the problems people often report are due to bouncing calypso |
| 13:25.35 | projektdotnet | and the timestamp was correct |
| 13:26.10 | henk | projektdotnet: and you are sure you receive all the sms other people send you and you are sure all sms you send are received by who should receive them? |
| 13:26.47 | raph_ael | p0seid0n_: shr or qtopia |
| 13:27.02 | projektdotnet | henk: right now my phone is inbound only anyway since my bill is a wee bit past due |
| 13:27.13 | projektdotnet | so most of the issues are moot |
| 13:27.19 | henk | ok |
| 13:27.51 | projektdotnet | was actually thinking about testing out koolu's new android images |
| 13:28.26 | p0seid0n_ | i tried qtopia once and it was pretty good. |
| 13:28.44 | projektdotnet | I've used it in the past, not the best but pretty usable overall |
| 13:28.59 | p0seid0n_ | but i don't think they use the 2008.12 kernel. and anything before that was pretty bad with suspend/wakeup |
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| 13:35.42 | root_at | hi. i am using shr and i am trying atm to use my bluetooth, but he cant find any device. i typed "echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset" and also with power_on but "hciconfig" doesnt echo a device and also hciconfig hci0 up says that there is no such device |
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| 13:37.00 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: Are you using andy-tracking? |
| 13:37.15 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: have you suspended after boot? |
| 13:37.34 | p0seid0n_ | root_at: does suspend work with shr ? |
| 13:37.36 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: you should do echo 1 > power_on and echo 0 > reset |
| 13:37.51 | PaulFertser_ | suspend should work everywhere, why not? |
| 13:38.09 | root_at | i just rebooted and it still doesnt work // my suspend works // whats andy-tracking? //will try echo 1 now |
| 13:38.32 | raph_ael | projektdotnet: never managed to get android boot |
| 13:38.44 | lindi- | raph_ael: andy-tracking is a branch of git.openmoko.org/linux-2.6 |
| 13:38.52 | root_at | still no hci0 after echo 1 > power_on |
| 13:39.10 | projektdotnet | raph_ael: did you have the sd card inserted and have it partitioned properly? android will not boot otherwise |
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| 13:39.58 | root_at | hciconfig echoes nochting at all, also not with -a and hciconfig hci0 says that there is no such device |
| 13:40.23 | raph_ael | projektdotnet: did not use a sd card, maybe that's why |
| 13:40.33 | raph_ael | lindi-: excuse me ? |
| 13:40.42 | lindi- | root_at: meant you |
| 13:40.52 | root_at | ahh |
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| 13:41.19 | p0seid0n_ | PaulFerster: cause my 2008.12 sometimes does not wake up from suspend |
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| 13:41.32 | projektdotnet | raph_ael: indeed, without a properly partitioned SD card then android will never boot |
| 13:42.10 | raph_ael | projektdotnet: well i'll retry but not sure it's really useful to try :) |
| 13:42.24 | root_at | so i dont use andy-tracking, i think |
| 13:42.43 | projektdotnet | raph_ael: android still has a ways to go on the FR but I have been able to play with it on the G1, it's nice |
| 13:43.33 | raph_ael | projektdotnet: does it have a package manager other than an iphone crappy appstore like ? |
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| 13:44.12 | projektdotnet | raph_ael: I didn't try that, I was mostly checking out the browser and other built-in apps, I haven't looked at the dev model so I'm not sure there either |
| 13:45.45 | raph_ael | oh |
| 13:46.02 | raph_ael | well i should try a bit more my openmoko but it's barely day to day usable |
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| 13:48.09 | root_at | ok now its work, after typing in again echo 0 > reset..i think this ssh is a lil bit shitty? |
| 13:48.59 | root_at | i am not sure if its my xterm(not using it long) or this ssh..but sometimes i type ifconfig eth0 and its really written there, but he echoes "eth: no such device" or similiar things |
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| 13:55.30 | vvbi | hi folks, any of you guys know how to transfer file between openmoko with android and windows? |
| 14:00.15 | p0seid0n_ | vvbi: sorry, cant help you. but can you tell me how android works on your phone. Is it usable as a everyday phone ? |
| 14:00.39 | root_at | does anyone know why my pc can find my neo but my neo cant find my pc? |
| 14:00.50 | root_at | (talking about bluetooth, hcitool scan) |
| 14:02.10 | henk | root_at: because there are probably no services on the pc... |
| 14:02.47 | root_at | my mobilephone finds my pc |
| 14:03.04 | root_at | with mobilephone i dont mean my neo ; ) |
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| 14:03.43 | henk | hm perhaps your pc doesn't want to be found? |
| 14:04.25 | SpeedEvil | root_at: because the proper bluez services aren't setup |
| 14:04.35 | root_at | ok scan doesnt find him, but i can connect |
| 14:04.47 | SpeedEvil | root_at: a bluetooth USB device isn't active until it's had stuff done to it |
| 14:05.04 | SpeedEvil | software installed to listen to it and configure it. |
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| 14:05.11 | root_at | how u mean "stuff done to it"? |
| 14:05.19 | SpeedEvil | one bluez to bind them all, and in the darkness find them. |
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| 14:08.49 | vvbi | p0seid0n: the phone is stable.. receiving and making calls are good/stable to my surprise... other thn that wifi/bluetooth does not work out of the box.. i am currently using an older version of koolu's build.. heard they have fixed that in the latest build |
| 14:09.37 | root_at | vvbi: for me gsm doesnt work at the beginning, but wifi did work when i first time tried it, to my surprise |
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| 14:22.40 | jonsmith1982 | i reckon it would be good to encrypt phone calls over gsm, with white noise encryption or something. |
| 14:22.59 | root_at | do i need pand for a normal bluetooth connection(wanna try remoko)? |
| 14:23.54 | henk | root_at: what's a 'normal bluetooth connection'? ;) |
| 14:24.21 | root_at | i just wanna try remoko |
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| 14:26.05 | root_at | it works, and its fun : D |
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| 14:53.57 | ysakaed | hi |
| 14:54.03 | ysakaed | is this the right place to ask about building FSO? |
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| 14:54.55 | gromez | ysakaed: try #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 14:55.26 | ysakaed | thanks |
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| 15:05.18 | jipi | does anyone has any idea where i can find the android image for neo1973? |
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| 15:27.55 | root_at | why is libnotify not in the shr repo? and how can i install it it otherwise? |
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| 16:10.22 | husku | is the gprs guide in wiki still correct for 2008.12 ? |
| 16:10.44 | imme-emosol | Why is 2.5 jack choosen instead of some 3.5 variant? |
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| 16:13.33 | mwester | imme-emosol: space constraints, apparently. |
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| 16:14.10 | imme-emosol | mwester: Is that really all there is to it, just the amount of space inside the phone?? |
| 16:14.14 | imme-emosol | okay... |
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| 16:36.41 | AntonTakk | nope, sorry |
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| 16:56.54 | badcloud | or at least tell me which distro other than shr can work wake on event as gracefully? |
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| 17:14.13 | badcloud | bah |
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| 17:40.21 | root_at | does anyone know why my freerunner stops when i try to connect with hcitool cc ? with hidd --connect its working |
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| 18:39.47 | root_at | does shr allow multiplexing of the gsm modul? i want to use gprs |
| 18:40.58 | root_at | ohh i see, i just need gsm0710muxd |
| 18:42.31 | rob79 | enlightement and 30% CPU ^^ cant see it anymore |
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| 18:46.56 | root_at | how can i use gprs with shr? there is no gprson...and i dont need to install anything, do i? |
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| 18:52.15 | husku | root_at: do you have working multiplexing in gsm/gprs? |
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| 18:59.09 | root_at | i am not sure, but i have gsm0710muxd |
| 19:01.56 | root_at | husku: can i try this in any way, or do i have it for sure when i have gsm0710musx? |
| 19:02.05 | root_at | gsm0710muxd* |
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| 19:20.32 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: activate gprs using FSO instructions. Should work out of the box. |
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| 19:25.30 | ski||Z | hello |
| 19:25.43 | ski||Z | i have a free runner |
| 19:25.51 | root_at | o rly? : D |
| 19:26.05 | ski||Z | lol |
| 19:26.16 | ski||Z | i tried to install debian |
| 19:26.18 | ski||Z | but no go |
| 19:26.28 | root_at | PaulFertser_: the link to freeyourphone.de? |
| 19:26.56 | root_at | ski||Z: did u look up the wiki? |
| 19:27.02 | ski||Z | oh ya |
| 19:27.14 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 19:27.19 | ski||Z | it thought i followed it |
| 19:29.13 | root_at | did u flash with dfu-util or with neotool(which uses dfu-util) and have u pressed the aux-button and then the power button? |
| 19:30.15 | ski||Z | i used the install.sh |
| 19:30.19 | ski||Z | from ... |
| 19:30.20 | henk | ski||Z: what went wrong? |
| 19:30.46 | ski||Z | well first it failed at making aprtitions |
| 19:30.53 | ski||Z | partitions* |
| 19:31.01 | ski||Z | but i checked and they werre there |
| 19:31.15 | ski||Z | so i proceeded from there |
| 19:31.21 | ski||Z | everything went ok |
| 19:31.25 | ski||Z | it seemed |
| 19:31.40 | ski||Z | then i did the uboot change |
| 19:31.46 | ski||Z | and rebooted |
| 19:32.01 | ski||Z | now i get the openmoko splash then white screen repeatedely |
| 19:32.17 | ski||Z | i can still boot the OM2008.12 |
| 19:32.51 | ski||Z | ihave had this for a while and no time to play with it |
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| 19:33.27 | ski||Z | any ideas? |
| 19:33.41 | ski||Z | <----newb |
| 19:34.10 | ski||Z | hmmm lets see if i can get an error |
| 19:34.57 | henk | ski||Z: generally, you should use qi. read the wiki page about it, it is/will be the better bootloader. |
| 19:35.17 | ski||Z | ok |
| 19:35.23 | PaulFertser_ | henk: :) |
| 19:35.25 | ski||Z | i was hoping to get some advice |
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| 19:35.32 | ski||Z | there seems to be quite an ecosystem |
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| 19:35.52 | henk | PaulFertser_: :-p |
| 19:36.23 | PaulFertser_ | henk: BTW, after your rework the Qi wiki page become very detailed and useful, i think somebody should propose to use Qi to the wider audience, e.g. on the community ML. |
| 19:36.26 | henk | ski||Z: since there is nothing to loose yet, i'd suggest you first switch to qi and learn about it ;) |
| 19:37.23 | ski||Z | yeah i will |
| 19:37.28 | ski||Z | just trying to boot it once more |
| 19:37.38 | ski||Z | now it appears stuck on splash |
| 19:38.47 | henk | PaulFertser_: good to hear :) i'll probably do that as soon as the next boot problem is on the list 'g' |
| 19:39.42 | henk | PaulFertser_: but i can't guarantee... i'm rather busy the next 2 months i guess and especially the next 4 weeks... |
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| 19:41.28 | PaulFertser_ | henk: yeah. I think i'll try to write a good advertising letter this week. It'd be better to have this letter written by a native speaker, but nobody seem to be going to do that, so i'll probably volunteer myself. :) |
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| 19:42.31 | ski||Z | i can't find anything about how to install qi |
| 19:43.06 | henk | PaulFertser_: i can proofread it if you want. my english is not too bad i guess. don't know how it compares to yours of course ;) |
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| 19:43.13 | henk | ski||Z: the wiki page should tell you. |
| 19:44.03 | PaulFertser_ | henk: Mine is officially Cambridge certified :p |
| 19:44.27 | henk | PaulFertser_: then it's probably better than mine. i only had gymnasium english for 7 years. |
| 19:44.34 | henk | in germany... |
| 19:45.15 | henk | i took part in the IB classes but still not cambridge 'g' |
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| 19:46.46 | PaulFertser_ | henk: Oh, i had an opportunity to prepare for Cambridge FCE exam at my institute. FCE is not that fancy, it's lowest level, not comparable to TOEFL. |
| 19:47.17 | henk | hm, i've heard of toefl... a friend of mine had to take it when he wanted to study at the mit. |
| 19:47.21 | henk | afair |
| 19:50.26 | acathla | you heard about TOEIC? |
| 19:50.51 | root_at | PaulFertser_: i used the script from the link u sended me. when i do gprs-on now(i filled in the apn, username and the password is nothing so i have a x there too) he works for some seconds and echoes nochting, and i dont get internet connection, and when i do gprs-off then i get "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: DeactivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.NotFound" |
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| 19:52.06 | root_at | is it possible that i get this because my apn/username/password is wrong? |
| 19:53.53 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: check your frameworkd.log first. Then probably /var/log/messages. I'm not sure how exactly syslogd is configured on SHR though. |
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| 19:56.24 | zooko | How can I send chords like C-c or C-r to the terminal? |
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| 19:56.59 | cjb | which distribution are you using? |
| 19:57.09 | cjb | I can do that easily with FSO, which has a keyboard with ctrl/alt chars on |
| 19:57.42 | root_at | PaulFertser_: http://nopaste.biz/62548 this seems to be all the stuff in the log from the gprs |
| 19:59.01 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: See logread -f for output :) |
| 20:00.19 | root_at | logread -f seems to echo nothing..but maybe cause i already did gprs-off |
| 20:01.33 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: check your syslogd configuration for that. Also, if you don't start gprs, does mickeyterm work for you? |
| 20:02.04 | root_at | he echoed something now.. |
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| 20:04.08 | ski||Z | ok i think i found some instructions but I am a bit lost |
| 20:04.37 | ski||Z | i don't even know if this is a GTA01,2,3 |
| 20:04.50 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: Freerunner is GTA02 |
| 20:05.18 | ski||Z | k |
| 20:05.24 | ski||Z | alright i graqbbed the file |
| 20:05.37 | ski||Z | now it says to dfu |
| 20:06.13 | husku | root_at: i dont have a working setup, im also a bit lost with gsm0710muxd and pppd... |
| 20:06.14 | ski||Z | im scared ill brick the thing |
| 20:07.05 | ski||Z | is that it just get this file and dfu? |
| 20:07.14 | emsyr | Has anyone used omview? |
| 20:07.41 | ski||Z | omview kept crashing on me |
| 20:07.58 | emsyr | It does not show the images |
| 20:08.30 | emsyr | And it crashes when I enter in a directory with files that are not images |
| 20:08.36 | ski||Z | yep |
| 20:08.51 | husku | hmm, i think i got gprs working... |
| 20:08.52 | emsyr | Any app for image viewing? |
| 20:08.52 | root_at | PaulFertser_: this echoes logread -f now: http://nopaste.biz/62551 |
| 20:09.25 | root_at | emsyr: opkg.org ; ) |
| 20:09.57 | emsyr | root_at: What do you mean? |
| 20:10.04 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: that "virtual channel 8" is exceptionally bad. |
| 20:10.21 | root_at | PaulFertser_: what does this mean for me? |
| 20:10.27 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: kill -9 <gsm0710muxd_pid> |
| 20:10.28 | ski||Z | hey it booted |
| 20:10.35 | root_at | emsyr: visit www.opkg.org an look for a imageviewer |
| 20:10.41 | ski||Z | it vibrated a little then booted from flash it looks |
| 20:10.42 | ski||Z | like |
| 20:10.50 | ski||Z | ?? |
| 20:10.58 | emsyr | root_at: OK. Thanx :) |
| 20:11.05 | root_at | emsyr: np |
| 20:11.55 | root_at | PaulFertser_: newline unexpected? |
| 20:12.31 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: where? |
| 20:14.25 | root_at | oh, i think u didnt want me to type in "kill -9 <gsm0710muxd_pid>" or did u? |
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| 20:15.25 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: I wanted you to kill with SIGKILL the process named gsm0710muxd :) |
| 20:16.43 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: after you kill gsm0710muxd, FSO should restart it automatically but no extra channels will be used (and calypso can operate only 4), and you'll be able to connect to GPRS. |
| 20:17.11 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: gsm0710mux has some nasty problems, but that will improve really soon. |
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| 20:20.08 | root_at | still doesnt work..doing it with logread -f again |
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| 20:22.38 | ski||Z | how do i change what qi tries to boot |
| 20:23.33 | root_at | PaulFertser_: http://nopaste.biz/62555 started so good : ( |
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| 20:25.36 | root_at | oh, i think most of this echoed things are not from the gprs |
| 20:25.54 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: Ah, that's sim pin. Do you really need it? It always messes something up ;) |
| 20:26.24 | root_at | oh yeah, i read it but i forget to disable it. can i do it with the neo? |
| 20:26.40 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: What you really need then is: turn off the phone application. After that gsm0710muxd should be killed automatically. Then turn it on again. Then repeat the GPRS parts. |
| 20:26.45 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: no idea :) |
| 20:26.59 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: if you know the right AT command, then start mickeyterm and just do it ;) |
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| 20:27.31 | husku | PaulFertser_: how fast is gprs supposed to be on neo fr? |
| 20:27.54 | root_at | PaulFertser_: how u mean to turn of the phone app? i havent lauchned one |
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| 20:30.34 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: Then do that and enter your PIN |
| 20:30.48 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: i don't know who the SHR phone app is called. |
| 20:31.12 | ski||Z | ok trying to install debian again |
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| 20:31.59 | root_at | PaulFertser_: ahh you mean the dialog which ask for the pin. but he didnt show up again after i killed gsm |
| 20:32.11 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: restart the app that showed it |
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| 20:32.54 | root_at | as much as i know, its not possible to start this app, i need to reboot |
| 20:33.32 | root_at | PaulFertser_: but at first i have to disable the pin anyway, and then this dialog shouldnt show up |
| 20:33.41 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: not possible, you can restart any app |
| 20:34.14 | root_at | i asked mwester how to do start this app manually, and he just told me any dbus command |
| 20:34.46 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: i'll tell you the command to disable the pin soon |
| 20:35.09 | root_at | PaulFertser_: you are too nice : ) |
| 20:36.30 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: ok, try to start mickeyterm now |
| 20:37.16 | root_at | PaulFertser_: done |
| 20:37.33 | PaulFertser_ | type AT, press enter |
| 20:37.59 | root_at | PaulFertser_: done, but should this echo anything? |
| 20:38.08 | PaulFertser_ | Yes, it should answer OK. |
| 20:38.25 | PaulFertser_ | If it doesn't, quit mickeyterm and kill gsm0710muxd with -9 again. |
| 20:38.29 | root_at | k |
| 20:38.34 | PaulFertser_ | Then don't try to start gprs, start mickeyterm again. |
| 20:39.44 | root_at | he echoed automatically AT-Command Interpreter ready OK |
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| 20:40.04 | PaulFertser_ | Great |
| 20:40.04 | PaulFertser_ | now enter AT+CPIN="yourpin" |
| 20:40.54 | root_at | PaulFertser_: done, no echo |
| 20:41.14 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: to disable pin enter AT+CLCK="SC",0 |
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| 20:41.50 | root_at | PaulFertser_: have entered it, no echo, is this fine? |
| 20:42.08 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: hm, not sure. Try simple AT again |
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| 20:43.12 | root_at | no echo...i will kill gsm again, and if there is no at command interpreter ready OK at startup i type AT and then AT+CLCK="SC",0 otherwise just AT+CLCK="SC",0 |
| 20:44.16 | root_at | hm..no echo at startup and also no echo after AT |
| 20:44.23 | root_at | i will try it without ssh |
| 20:45.49 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: ssh shouldn't matter. |
| 20:47.24 | root_at | i will put the sim into my mobilephone, then i will if it worked, if not i will try it with the mobile phone |
| 20:47.59 | robtaylor | .wg 54 |
| 20:48.06 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: you should restart ophonekitd to get sim dialog etc again. |
| 20:48.41 | root_at | so i should have killed gsm and restarted ophonekitd? |
| 20:49.00 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: gsm should be killed automatically as soon as you kill ophonekitd. |
| 20:49.07 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: But check that, it's not always the case. |
| 20:49.27 | root_at | sim request from the other phone : / |
| 20:49.54 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: disable it anyway |
| 20:50.26 | root_at | PaulFertser_: i think i disabled it now...must start the freerunner again |
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| 20:52.43 | zooko | cjb: I don't know which distribution I'm using -- it is whatever came on it. :-) |
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| 21:01.50 | root_at | PaulFertser_: logread -f now while gprs-on: http://nopaste.biz/62561 |
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| 21:02.43 | stu8ball | Is there no way to get NFS client in Openmoko? |
| 21:03.09 | stu8ball | Browing around downloads.openmoko.org/repository by hand, I can only find nfsd |
| 21:03.15 | stu8ball | Browsing* |
| 21:03.26 | root_at | try opkg list |
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| 21:03.30 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: AT+CPIN? times out... Too strange. Can you check if you have a network registration? |
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| 21:03.52 | root_at | for gprs? at my provider? |
| 21:04.12 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: for anything. |
| 21:04.18 | stu8ball | opkg list|grep nfs is just the same |
| 21:04.21 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: for GSM calls, e.g. |
| 21:05.02 | root_at | PaulFertser_: i can phone and i can write sms. but i am not sure about the gprs apn/username and password, also not sure if i have access to this |
| 21:05.09 | stu8ball | I have all, armv4t, and om-gta02 -feed.conf files |
| 21:05.10 | root_at | i will write an email to them |
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| 21:06.02 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: i'm sure that's not the reason. AT+CPIN? times out, that's the culprit. |
| 21:06.03 | root_at | thanks for ur help, looks like it should work |
| 21:06.29 | root_at | not? : ( |
| 21:06.31 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: try again, is it any different the second time? |
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| 21:08.37 | root_at | did u say i have to kill ophonekitd? |
| 21:08.53 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: Not this time :) |
| 21:09.09 | root_at | but i did -.- and it doesnt restart |
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| 21:09.29 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: for some unknown reason i have never had any problems like that with GPRS. It just works for me. You can try to remove that PIN request in pppd parameters from the frameworkd sources (it's python code anyway). |
| 21:09.35 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: start it by hand then. |
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| 21:10.22 | root_at | i think i will try it tomorrow again, and i will write an email to my provider...need to write to them anyway |
| 21:12.45 | root_at | where excactly from the frameworkd source? |
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| 21:16.32 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/pdp.py . But i don't see +CPIN? in options, maybe it was changed from MS4 times. |
| 21:17.20 | PaulFertser_ | s^pdp.py^modems/abstract/pdp.py^ |
| 21:17.38 | root_at | ok thanks for everything. i will find out the username and the password and i found an how to on freeyourphone.de...maybe this helps me |
| 21:18.17 | PaulFertser_ | root_at: You're welcome. I hope we'll have more luck next time :) |
| 21:18.33 | root_at | i hope so too : ) |
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| 21:23.42 | root_at | i am off now, cu |
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| 21:27.42 | zooko | Hm, in addition to not having a "control" key, I also don't have a "slash" key. |
| 21:27.49 | zooko | This is going to make it pretty hard to use this terminal! |
| 21:29.56 | AntonTakk | has decided to pick up a 16 gb usd on the way home to test in the fr |
| 21:30.10 | AntonTakk | assuming they have them ay this store |
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| 21:48.40 | Dave | Anton :) |
| 21:51.53 | ski||Z | anyone know about qi |
| 21:51.59 | ski||Z | i am trying to boot debian |
| 21:52.09 | ski||Z | i get a message about dir creation failed |
| 21:52.12 | ski||Z | hard to read |
| 21:54.49 | ski||Z | debugfs dir creation failed |
| 21:54.59 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: I know about Qi |
| 21:55.10 | ski||Z | so i wonder what the deal is here |
| 21:55.25 | ski||Z | i installed qi as per sugestions |
| 21:55.36 | ski||Z | now i get this message when i try to boot from SD |
| 21:55.48 | ski||Z | a little vibe |
| 21:56.04 | ski||Z | then man its sooo tiny |
| 21:56.10 | ski||Z | i can read it |
| 21:56.16 | ski||Z | the error code that is |
| 21:56.58 | ski||Z | does it log that anywhere |
| 21:57.08 | Dave | apt summon speedevil |
| 21:57.09 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing speedevil's coordinates |
| 21:58.28 | ski||Z | maybe that is a kernel err |
| 22:00.01 | ski||Z | do i actually have to have the boot on the same partition |
| 22:00.09 | ski||Z | i made the appendGTA02 file |
| 22:00.13 | ski||Z | with the root spec? |
| 22:00.22 | ski||Z | PaulFertser_, ? |
| 22:01.16 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: A little vibe? What partition do you have you kernel on? (type, number) What partition do you have your rootfs on? |
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| 22:03.02 | ski||Z | boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ext2 i think |
| 22:03.07 | ski||Z | i can mount them they are there |
| 22:04.05 | ski||Z | i want to cut and paste but i cant |
| 22:04.09 | ski||Z | i am on vnc |
| 22:04.12 | ski||Z | :) |
| 22:04.40 | ski||Z | i think it finds the kernel |
| 22:04.43 | ski||Z | not sure though |
| 22:04.50 | ski||Z | i think the debugfs is a kernel err |
| 22:06.03 | ski||Z | i see someone else saying that this happens all the time |
| 22:06.10 | ski||Z | must be unable to mount the root fs |
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| 22:07.28 | ski||Z | then i get power supply error |
| 22:07.35 | ski||Z | failed to report status properly |
| 22:07.57 | ski||Z | wierd |
| 22:08.08 | ski||Z | PaulFertser_, ?? |
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| 22:08.37 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: I'm here, yes. Have you modified /boot/append-GTA02 ? |
| 22:08.53 | bernt | ski||Z: do you have a boot directory on /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? |
| 22:09.03 | ski||Z | yes |
| 22:09.04 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: what's there? Should be only root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 in your case |
| 22:09.06 | ski||Z | and yes |
| 22:09.18 | ski||Z | right and loglevel=8 |
| 22:09.25 | ski||Z | on the next line |
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| 22:09.30 | ski||Z | i guess i could remove that |
| 22:09.38 | ski||Z | i wanted some messages |
| 22:09.55 | ski||Z | it gives 2 messages |
| 22:10.00 | ski||Z | then boots flash |
| 22:10.17 | ski||Z | i think the battery might be bad |
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| 22:10.34 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:11.03 | bernt | ski||Z: you could try with "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1" in /boot/boot/append-GTA02 |
| 22:11.11 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: If you feel a vibe, it means Qi doesn't find the kernel on the first boot partition. |
| 22:11.30 | PaulFertser_ | bernt: no need in console=tty0 and rootdelay=1. Recent Qi has it by default. |
| 22:11.57 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: check file name etc. No vibe should be felt if you're booting kernel from the first uSD partition. |
| 22:12.04 | bernt | ski||Z: missing uImage-GTA02.bin in /boot/boot ? |
| 22:12.32 | ski||Z | ok |
| 22:12.39 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: by default? if append can add words to command line is there a way to remove them? |
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| 22:13.14 | ski||Z | just have uImage.bin |
| 22:13.22 | ski||Z | does it have to be named just so |
| 22:13.36 | bernt | yes or make a link |
| 22:13.38 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: sure it's wrong |
| 22:13.43 | ski||Z | k |
| 22:13.52 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: uImage-GTA02.bin is the correct name |
| 22:14.15 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: no need to, really. ;) |
| 22:15.14 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: I think you can overwrite rootdelay with rootdelay=0 though. But console=tty0 doesn't harm anyway, no need to worry about it. |
| 22:15.23 | bernt | lindi-: I think you can set a value thats like removing the command ... |
| 22:15.26 | ski||Z | crosses fingers |
| 22:17.04 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: but i'm sure there are options that can't be canceled out |
| 22:17.17 | bernt | ski||Z: and ... |
| 22:17.22 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:17.28 | ski||Z | but i think the vibe is gone |
| 22:17.43 | ski||Z | tryin again |
| 22:17.56 | ski||Z | still there |
| 22:17.58 | bernt | some other messages on the screen? |
| 22:18.00 | ski||Z | hmm |
| 22:18.04 | ski||Z | nope same |
| 22:18.10 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: i think Qi has reasonable defaults ;) |
| 22:18.21 | ski||Z | i'll have alook maybe i typo |
| 22:18.30 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: but they keep changing? ;) |
| 22:18.31 | ski||Z | ... |
| 22:19.45 | ski||Z | uImage-GTA02.bin is there |
| 22:19.55 | ski||Z | a link to the vmliuz |
| 22:20.25 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: sounds somehow strange ;) vmliuz? |
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| 22:20.40 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: double-check all the filenames, please. |
| 22:20.41 | ski||Z | vmlinuz... |
| 22:21.01 | ski||Z | 2.6.24... |
| 22:21.12 | ski||Z | stuff looks right |
| 22:21.13 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: is it in the /boot directory on the partition itself? |
| 22:21.13 | ski||Z | to me |
| 22:21.25 | ski||Z | hmmm |
| 22:21.34 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:21.42 | ski||Z | should i move into a dir named boot |
| 22:21.44 | PaulFertser_ | And it should be |
| 22:21.46 | PaulFertser_ | Yes |
| 22:21.56 | ski||Z | wierd that installer is totally broke |
| 22:22.00 | ski||Z | :) |
| 22:22.05 | ski||Z | ill try that |
| 22:22.46 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: When i installed Debian, the installer didn't support Qi at all. I've read the installer code myself and did the most important steps by hand. |
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| 22:25.50 | mokel | can i get the cell id where my openmoko is? |
| 22:26.07 | ski||Z | kernel -panic |
| 22:26.40 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: But no vibe anymore? |
| 22:26.52 | ski||Z | let me make sure |
| 22:27.35 | ski||Z | no vibe |
| 22:27.41 | ski||Z | no root fs |
| 22:27.52 | ski||Z | flashing AUX |
| 22:28.17 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: add loglevel=8 then and investigate further |
| 22:28.37 | ski||Z | some messages about nfs server |
| 22:29.10 | ski||Z | no nfs server available giving up |
| 22:29.25 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: it's ok. Why does it panic, that's the question. |
| 22:29.25 | ski||Z | nfs? |
| 22:29.41 | ski||Z | its says its trying to mount the root fs via nfs? |
| 22:29.49 | ski||Z | it says trying floppy |
| 22:29.52 | ski||Z | then panic |
| 22:30.22 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: Anything about SD card? |
| 22:30.35 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:30.58 | ski||Z | unable to mount root fs |
| 22:31.12 | ski||Z | i have seen that when i dont have the fs type compile into kernel before |
| 22:31.17 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: are you running with loglevel=8? Do you have append-GTA02 in place? I mean, it should be in /boot on the same partition in the same directory as the kernel. |
| 22:31.37 | ski||Z | i think so |
| 22:31.43 | ski||Z | i took logelevel 8 out |
| 22:31.47 | ski||Z | here ill put it back |
| 22:32.06 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: don't forget to have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 there as well. |
| 22:32.53 | ski||Z | yep |
| 22:32.55 | ski||Z | its there |
| 22:33.02 | ski||Z | ill just double check everything |
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| 22:38.11 | ski||Z | all looks good |
| 22:38.16 | ski||Z | but can't mount root fs |
| 22:38.48 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: do you see any mmc/sd messages now? |
| 22:38.57 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:38.59 | ski||Z | none |
| 22:39.03 | ski||Z | hard to read |
| 22:39.15 | ski||Z | just something about trying to mount root fs via NFS |
| 22:39.17 | ski||Z | str4ange |
| 22:39.34 | ski||Z | no NFS server available it says |
| 22:39.50 | ski||Z | why would it do that? |
| 22:40.01 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: btw, you can try to move your kernel from the first partition to the second, delete it on the first (Qi will try to use the second instead). Remove /boot/append-GTA02 altogether. |
| 22:40.19 | ski||Z | hmmm? |
| 22:40.23 | ski||Z | just copy boot over |
| 22:40.43 | ski||Z | ok will do |
| 22:41.11 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: remove the /boot from the first partition or Qi will try to use instead. |
| 22:41.33 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: in fact, you shouldn't have created a separate boot partition in the first place. |
| 22:41.44 | ski||Z | well the installer did that |
| 22:41.54 | ski||Z | this silly script i tried to use |
| 22:42.02 | ski||Z | quite unsuccessfully i might add |
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| 22:48.25 | ski||Z | looks better |
| 22:48.29 | ski||Z | lots of messages now |
| 22:48.46 | ski||Z | stopped at key code ... |
| 22:49.05 | ski||Z | what now? |
| 22:49.15 | ski||Z | still booting |
| 22:49.31 | ski||Z | xstarting |
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| 22:50.36 | ski||Z | schweeeeet |
| 22:53.03 | ski||Z | ty PaulFertser_ |
| 22:53.03 | ski||Z | and bernt |
| 22:53.09 | ski||Z | now i can go on playing |
| 22:53.19 | ski||Z | crap i should edit that install script |
| 22:54.08 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: So, what was the problem source? |
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| 22:54.46 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: i think you should report you semi-successful report to nomeata who's the script author. |
| 22:54.49 | ski||Z | hmm |
| 22:54.55 | ski||Z | misnamed kernel link |
| 22:54.58 | ski||Z | no boot dir |
| 22:55.06 | ski||Z | and the extra partition |
| 22:55.20 | ski||Z | once i renamed and moved it |
| 22:55.26 | ski||Z | it was all good |
| 22:55.52 | bernt | ski||Z: same like me .. the result all in one partition! |
| 22:55.52 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: but i guess it should work even when the kernel is on the first partition and the rootfs on the second, shouldn't it? |
| 22:56.02 | ski||Z | it should but did not |
| 22:56.17 | ski||Z | i mean all docs i can find say it should but as far as i could tell no go |
| 22:56.57 | bernt | I'm not shure but I think I had it working with this, but I dont like it ;-) |
| 22:57.03 | ski||Z | now to get xfce going |
| 22:57.09 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: Could you try to download andy-tracking kernel, put it on your first partition, add an appropriate append-GTA02 (with loglevel=8 and root=/dev/mmcblk0p2) and report what you see on the screen? |
| 22:57.28 | ski||Z | i could |
| 22:57.37 | ski||Z | where do i get any-tracking kernel |
| 22:57.48 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: I think i can read all the kernel messages from the screen fairly well, i don't understand your problems with that. |
| 22:57.51 | ski||Z | it seemed to try to get the root from NFS |
| 22:58.00 | ski||Z | my eyes are bad |
| 22:58.01 | PaulFertser_ | http://people.openmoko.org/andy , IIRC |
| 22:58.02 | ski||Z | i guess |
| 22:58.06 | bernt | ski||Z: xfce use to much memory, therefor I use blackbox or some other wm |
| 22:58.13 | ski||Z | ok |
| 22:58.15 | ski||Z | i may to |
| 22:58.17 | ski||Z | too |
| 22:58.37 | ski||Z | i guess i never realized how bad my eyes were |
| 22:58.42 | ski||Z | and i have glasses too |
| 22:58.49 | ski||Z | this text is too small for me |
| 22:59.13 | bernt | but I decided to use fbpanel ... |
| 22:59.16 | PaulFertser_ | ski||Z: Are you near-sighted? Then you can take off you glasses and put the screen nearer to the eyes ;) |
| 22:59.28 | ski||Z | nope |
| 22:59.33 | ski||Z | gets blurrier |
| 22:59.54 | PaulFertser_ | bernt: i'm afraid fbpanel leaks memory, haven't you noticed that? |
| 23:00.36 | bernt | at the moment not, but I will look at it ... |
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