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| 03:40.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahhh, I need some nice canal earphones with a 2.5mm jack. |
| 03:49.31 | imme-emosol | Why is the 2.5 choosen anyway? |
| 03:49.36 | imme-emosol | Instead of 3.5 ... |
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| 04:19.37 | mwester | imme-emosol: smaller |
| 04:23.15 | EuroTrash | Best get a 2.5 to 3.5mm converter, most 2.5mm are crappy headsets that sound like crap. |
| 04:23.41 | mwester | The audio on the FR is "broken" anyway. |
| 04:23.54 | EuroTrash | Hardware or software? |
| 04:23.58 | mwester | There's a hardware fix internally, but it requires some skill -- see the wiki. |
| 04:24.09 | EuroTrash | Ohh |
| 04:24.50 | mwester | Theoretically (I've not done it yet), with an outboard high-impedance amp/buffer, one might also be able to restore good low-freq response, perhaps built into a 2.5 to 3.5 mm converter cable. :) |
| 04:25.08 | mwester | Someone was talking about that on the list or IRC some months ago, I wonder if they ever built it? |
| 04:31.03 | dTx | So is there going to be an OpenMoko phone with completely working GPS + audio + non-slow graphics hardware? |
| 04:32.36 | mwester | The laws of probability are in favor of that - eventually. |
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| 04:51.34 | brian__ | there is no assurance that we won't ship something entirely |
| 04:51.34 | brian__ | different than GTA03 before the GTA03. or ship variants of GTA02 or |
| 04:51.34 | brian__ | variants of GTA03 before the GTA03 |
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| 05:12.17 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: I listen to music on the speaker, and it sounds fine... |
| 05:12.32 | mwester | Yeah, the speaker is ok. |
| 05:12.42 | Digital_Pioneer | So it's just the headphones? |
| 05:12.44 | mwester | It's the headphone circuit that has a wrong cap value |
| 05:12.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Mph. |
| 05:13.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh well, I guess I can just wait and eventually fork over the cash for a bluetooth. |
| 05:13.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Which, I assume, wouldn't have this issue. |
| 05:13.48 | mwester | relatively minor, compared to all the other things we'd like to see fixed. Plus there's a hardware fix for it, even if it's a bit tricky for the average person. |
| 05:14.02 | mwester | and, yes, bluetooth won't have this problem. |
| 05:14.07 | Digital_Pioneer | And knowing the FR, playing music over bluetooth shouldn't be TOO hard... Given most everything on the FR is hard enough that it should be comparatively easy. :P |
| 05:15.07 | Digital_Pioneer | So define average user... :P Is that average FR user, or average cell user? |
| 05:16.02 | mwester | Yeah, I'm sure it's pretty simple. Probably just a matter of a dozen 200-character long lines to type on the console to send messages over dbus to get bluetooth started up, and then you get to mess with about 100 different settings in the ALSA mixer to route the audio. No problem. |
| 05:17.39 | mwester | figures there's probably a reason why nobody has bluetooth working hardly at all in *any* of the distros; certainly people who can afford to spend $400 on a hacker's phone have a $25 bluetooth headset... so it can't be the $$ |
| 05:17.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Right. It takes about 10 hours to figure out how to do it, 30 minutes to set up scripts to do it for you, and another 11 1/4 hours to debug it. It can be done in less than a day! |
| 05:18.55 | Digital_Pioneer | So where's the wiki page on the headphone fix? |
| 05:19.16 | Digital_Pioneer | can't find it. |
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| 05:22.55 | mwester | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Known.2FAccepted_Issues |
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| 05:26.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, beyond me. |
| 05:26.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Too much electronics talk. :P |
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| 05:57.30 | khaije1 | what is the status of bluetooth support? |
| 05:57.52 | khaije1 | is it considered doable currently? |
| 05:58.04 | khaije1 | doesn't have a freerunner |
| 05:58.33 | mwester | There shouldn't be anything preventing it from working; just someone to figure out how to do the ALSA configs and the bluetooth dbus commands to make it all work. |
| 05:58.58 | mwester | There are no known hardware problems with bluetooth or the bt audio subsystem, AFAIK |
| 05:59.13 | khaije1 | what about with debian on the freerunner... it would seem this should simplify taht even if it's in a less than elegant way |
| 05:59.41 | mwester | how so? |
| 05:59.45 | khaije1 | so it's sort of a 'haven't dedicated X amount of time to it yet' type of problem? |
| 06:00.06 | mwester | that's the way it seems to me |
| 06:01.13 | khaije1 | mwester: i may have misunderstood your statement about the alsa & bt dbus configs but it seems that it should all be more or less in place using debian, in other words no need to build, just apt-get |
| 06:01.43 | khaije1 | i'll do a little research on this, i really like the idea of using a freerunner to listen to podcasts using a2dp |
| 06:05.09 | mwester | khaije1: I can't imagine that debian knows any more about the mysteries of the audio hardware settings than any other distro does; the problem with the ALSA controls would seem to be specific to hardware, not a distro. |
| 06:07.49 | khaije1 | hmm? where does the problem live? |
| 06:08.15 | mwester | dunno. If I did, I'd fix it and have bluetooth working on my phone. |
| 06:08.21 | khaije1 | heh |
| 06:09.22 | khaije1 | if you have your phone with you could you paste the lspci for the bt controller? the wiki just says it's CSR BC04 or later... |
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| 06:20.03 | khaije1 | sorry nevermind |
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| 08:55.42 | gfather | hay guys |
| 08:56.30 | gfather | most of people are whining that om basic functions dont work , but om is still in development phase , why they cant understand that / ? |
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| 09:00.07 | dns53 | well gta2 is suppose to be general use, gta1 was developer only |
| 09:01.49 | gfather | yah , but its still considered as dev kit , and not for end users |
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| 09:03.02 | gfather | and in the site its stated thats its for dev , and power users , so people should give it some time , until it becomes solid |
| 09:04.34 | dns53 | originally it was going to be a consumer phone, they have updated the website now |
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| 10:20.49 | Kurisutian | Hi! Is there anybody that can help me answering some questions on the current freerunner phone? |
| 10:21.52 | Kurisutian | I'm about to buy one since over here in Germany I found a great deal at some online store (100⬠less than the others)... but now I've read that a new version of the phone will be out this year... |
| 10:22.36 | Kurisutian | now I'm kinda stuck with the choice to get the current one or wait till the new one will be out |
| 10:23.47 | Kurisutian | also because I don't know all the architecture changes and if the current freerunner will get regular software updates once the new model is out... does anyone know more about this? |
| 10:24.15 | Tm_T | Kurisutian: there will be regular updates |
| 10:24.29 | Tm_T | Kurisutian: even the first openmoko hardware have its software updated |
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| 10:28.38 | Kurisutian | Alright.... that sounds great.... thanks. Sice besides the better battery and the quad-band support would be the only things I could benefit from I rather stick with the current phone than waiting half a year longer... |
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| 10:30.18 | Kurisutian | Does anyone know how the Android porting is going on. I heard rumors about it and saw some burred pictures but nothing really helpful... not that I'm about to put it on the phone but I was just curious how things are going in that direction.... |
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| 10:40.25 | Kurisutian | Also I have a question about the GPS unit in the freerunner: Is it a real GPS unit or an assisted GPS unit (which would require the support of the network provider to actually work)??? |
| 10:40.51 | Tm_T | Kurisutian: err, AGPS doesn't requite network to work |
| 10:41.00 | Tm_T | Kurisutian: it just helps it |
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| 10:42.03 | Kurisutian | Hmmm... maybe my source is wrong but I've read that it needs to be supported by the provider to actually work..... but thanks for the information.... I guess my source wasn't all to clear about it.... ;-) |
| 10:42.27 | Tm_T | Kurisutian: yup, Freerunners GPS works just fine without network |
| 10:43.33 | Kurisutian | Alright.... awesome.... I was looking forward to get navit running on it.... ;-) |
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| 10:51.03 | henk | PaulFertser: that 'distribution choosing method' for qi is not documented in the wiki right? |
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| 11:08.37 | baba_melone | Hi, can you tell me, where to get a fso-zhone image? I dont see it on the fso servers, and building fso from source takes too much time |
| 11:09.09 | henk | baba_melone: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ |
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| 11:22.03 | baba_melone | henk: I know that link |
| 11:22.13 | baba_melone | but I cannot find a fso-zhone image there |
| 11:22.22 | baba_melone | only fso-illume and fso-console |
| 11:23.33 | henk | baba_melone: zhone is fsos demo app. it's in the illume image. |
| 11:24.11 | baba_melone | well |
| 11:24.21 | baba_melone | I downloaded the milestone 4.1 image |
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| 11:24.24 | baba_melone | fso-illume |
| 11:24.31 | baba_melone | but it didnt contain zhone |
| 11:24.47 | baba_melone | and installing it with opkg is unsucccessful too |
| 11:25.05 | baba_melone | python has a problem with its unicode encoding |
| 11:25.22 | baba_melone | so i tried and changed the encoding to iso-8859-1 |
| 11:25.53 | baba_melone | but now there are several modules missing and now im installing python-modules |
| 11:26.52 | baba_melone | but Id like to have it working without having changed the encoding |
| 11:27.06 | baba_melone | as im not sure whether it works now or not |
| 11:27.15 | baba_melone | or if there is a deeper problem |
| 11:28.25 | henk | it does include zhone... perhaps it just doesn't start? |
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| 11:29.20 | baba_melone | no, it didnt include it |
| 11:29.27 | baba_melone | had to do a opkg install zhone |
| 11:29.51 | baba_melone | it wasnt on the desktop, nor was it in the PATH(not startable by the console) |
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| 11:33.59 | henk | baba_melone: which one did you download? exact filename please! |
| 11:35.23 | baba_melone | openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 11:37.00 | badcloud | hey all |
| 11:37.15 | baba_melone | henk: I have now installed python-modules |
| 11:37.23 | baba_melone | but i still cannot start zhone |
| 11:37.38 | baba_melone | python complains about not finding the traceback module |
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| 11:37.49 | baba_melone | which is needed by the logging module |
| 11:37.59 | henk | hm, try another image. perhaps a daily build from testing |
| 11:38.00 | badcloud | ringtone format for shr: basically any format for which the proper codec is installed? |
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| 11:41.22 | baba_melone | henk: hm, Im now downloading a testing image, but in the server's testing directory there are only fso-image-glibc packages, not even -illume packages |
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| 11:41.38 | badcloud | btw, sorry, lindi for the confusion the other day. didn't realize that .yaml was the ringing config file |
| 11:41.47 | badcloud | thought it was the actual ringtone format |
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| 11:44.02 | henk | baba_melone: yes, illume is included by default. |
| 11:49.52 | TeNoVi | Hi! I need to download some ipk files to my computer couse I can't download them directly to my phone. Where can I find these? from the official repo. |
| 11:50.23 | baba_melone | downloads.openmoko.org/repository |
| 11:50.42 | baba_melone | but its better to install them directly from the phone |
| 11:51.01 | baba_melone | dont you have an internet connection with your phone? |
| 11:51.53 | baba_melone | you can use your pc as a router |
| 11:52.30 | baba_melone | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward enables kernel ip forwarding |
| 11:52.33 | TeNoVi | Yes. I guess. The problem is that I live at my school. They have a firewall :S I have tried to configure my computer as a router, but I don't know how |
| 11:53.01 | baba_melone | then you have to set your iptables |
| 11:53.33 | henk | TeNoVi: it's all on the wiki actually... |
| 11:53.39 | baba_melone | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0(or whatever is your interface with the internet connection) -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:53.50 | TeNoVi | Yes, but I can't get that working :S |
| 11:53.53 | baba_melone | and finally: iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface usb0 -j ACCEPT |
| 11:53.59 | baba_melone | just do it as i told you |
| 11:54.17 | henk | TeNoVi: why? |
| 11:54.17 | baba_melone | and dont forget enabling kernel ip forwarding as i told you |
| 11:54.35 | TeNoVi | I'll try it. |
| 11:55.03 | TeNoVi | henk: I guess it is something about the firewall they are running here. It is SonicWall |
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| 11:55.27 | TeNoVi | But I have to go now. Thanks for the quick answers. I will come back later ;) |
| 11:56.02 | henk | TeNoVi: i don't think so... |
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| 12:13.43 | PaulFertser | henk: yes, it's not documented yet. |
| 12:15.08 | PaulFertser | henk: but i've sent a patch to README with documentation, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7584 feel free to add the information to the wiki (except power button, which is not accepted upstream (probably yet)). |
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| 12:16.22 | henk | PaulFertser: ok, will do that, thanks! |
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| 12:26.24 | hipitihop | waves to the residents |
| 12:27.02 | PaulFertser | henk: while you're at it, please also insert a link to current README ( http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=blob;f=README;hb=HEAD ) somewhere on the page. Thanks a lot! :) |
| 12:27.25 | hipitihop | anyone here using the koolu android image on gta02 v5 |
| 12:27.58 | PaulFertser | Or, not again :( |
| 12:28.34 | hipitihop | ducks, he's been reading the list but not the irc archive |
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| 12:29.40 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: no need to read irc archive to anderstand that android is not "true". It distracts you from The Way. |
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| 12:31.23 | Sargun | Hm, there aren't as many people PO'd at OM on the MLs. |
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| 12:32.13 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, ok, been using QTExtended 4.4.2 since it was released, still not quite there but at the time was more usable then anything else. Just looking to see if anything has changed |
| 12:33.02 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: imho qtwhatever is not The True Way either, sorry. |
| 12:34.03 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, wasn't suggesting it was :-) just waiting for The Way |
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| 12:38.36 | hipitihop | needs a restart brb |
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| 12:48.42 | hipitihop | so is someone prepared to recommend The Current Way for a gta02 v5 need reliable suspend, calls and sms |
| 12:50.54 | henk | all distributions suspend reliably afaik... |
| 12:51.31 | henk | resuming works reliably on shr and debian for me. |
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| 12:53.55 | alephnull | 2008.12 too. |
| 12:54.40 | alephnull | Can't get the full keyboard on it though. |
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| 13:09.10 | dns | how do you set your current time with date ? |
| 13:10.42 | henk | date $your_time? |
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| 13:13.10 | zash_ | sudo date `ssh $host_with_correct_time date +%m%d%H%M.%S` |
| 13:14.08 | zash_ | or ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 13:16.29 | dns | worked out i was using the wrong format, date -s 01190012 |
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| 13:19.56 | Amygos | hi |
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| 13:52.04 | henk | PaulFertser: could you take a look and perhaps explain the 'kernel-choosing' better? i don't quite understand the mechanism to be able to explain it properly i think... |
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| 14:11.01 | badcloud | hey peopls |
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| 14:12.23 | badcloud | anyone know how to paste text into the shr terminal? |
| 14:12.52 | badcloud | (text not selected within the terminal) |
| 14:15.21 | Sharwin_F | badcloud, CTRL+C and CTRL+V maybe? |
| 14:18.50 | badcloud | it's cute how you assume I'm a fool first. Ctrl+c/v don't work in the terminal |
| 14:19.09 | badcloud | neither does shift+ins |
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| 14:23.29 | henk | one is usually better off assuming that... :-/ |
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| 14:27.00 | badcloud | I tend to disagree, but *meh* |
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| 14:28.47 | lindi- | badcloud: what's shr terminal? |
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| 14:30.19 | badcloud | the terminal included in the shr build |
| 14:30.51 | badcloud | I don't know the name |
| 14:32.00 | badcloud | ash would be my assumtion |
| 14:32.17 | badcloud | as it's in /bin |
| 14:32.25 | lindi- | badcloud: ash is a shell |
| 14:32.45 | lindi- | badcloud: what does ps axuf show? |
| 14:32.49 | badcloud | my bad |
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| 14:33.29 | badcloud | quite a lot |
| 14:33.55 | badcloud | what should I be looking for? |
| 14:35.34 | henk | 'term' |
| 14:35.59 | henk | or openmoko-terminal. or look for shells and their parent processes... |
| 14:37.57 | badcloud | 'vala-terminal' |
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| 14:40.43 | lindi- | git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/vala-terminal.git |
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| 14:41.22 | badcloud | ? |
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| 14:43.54 | lindi- | apt-get source vte |
| 14:45.10 | badcloud | and compile? my main comp is down |
| 14:46.07 | lindi- | badcloud: no, read |
| 14:46.28 | lindi- | src/terminal.vala:65.9-65.49: error: Too few arguments, method `Vte.Terminal.set_colors' does not take 3 arguments |
| 14:46.33 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.33 | lindi- | it does not compile anyway |
| 14:46.36 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.16 | lindi- | badcloud: at least VTE support clipboard |
| 14:49.36 | lindi- | now i'd need to compile it to easily try it |
| 14:49.50 | badcloud | what program handles git:// protocol? |
| 14:50.38 | lindi- | badcloud: git |
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| 14:52.05 | badcloud | don't have it... I'll try after I get my lappie running again |
| 14:53.07 | badcloud | thanks a bunch |
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| 15:09.57 | PaulFertser | henk: Hey, great restructuring and clarifications! I'm going to add several specific points and remove bugs section. Also, POWER doesn't add debugging (yet), so i'll remove this part. Do you think anything else needs clarification? Just ask, i'll try to answer. |
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| 15:14.55 | henk | PaulFertser: the memory test... there is _no_ information whatsoever it seems. only that it's there... there should be some info about, especially concerning what it does, where/what/how it reports with qi not doing display initialization, can it be run manually, i.e. without removing all kernels/by skipping all kernels, ... |
| 15:15.19 | dagger | what's the kernel channel? |
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| 15:15.52 | PaulFertser | henk: i'll try to find how and when memory test works later. Gotta read some sources for that :) Anything else? |
| 15:16.19 | PaulFertser | dagger: you mean where kernel devs hang? |
| 15:16.31 | dagger | PaulFertser: yeah |
| 15:16.38 | lindi- | email, trac :) |
| 15:16.45 | Shlee | Anyone running android? |
| 15:17.38 | henk | PaulFertser: not atm... |
| 15:18.06 | PaulFertser | dagger: Werner sometimes comes here, and Joerg does it regularly. You can also contact M.Westerhof here or at #openmoko-cdevel. That's all, i think. |
| 15:19.09 | henk | PaulFertser: btw are you qi developer or 'only' advocate? |
| 15:19.41 | PaulFertser | henk: advocate and happy user. Though i had to hack on it a little to make it work with my uSD card. |
| 15:19.56 | joerg_42 | PaulFertser: yeah ;) |
| 15:20.16 | PaulFertser | Greetings, joerg_42 :) |
| 15:20.50 | baba_melone | Hi, Im trying to use the openmoko toolchain |
| 15:20.55 | dagger | with my current .config (based on andy-tracking moredrivers) lshal | grep bat gives me 3 batteries. (2 from APM). Is it safe to remove APM from .config completely (I use current git frameworkd)? |
| 15:21.09 | baba_melone | and the wiki says to install nwe programs or libs, one needs to run opkg-target |
| 15:21.30 | baba_melone | but this program doesnt exist in the toolchain I downloaded(the most recent one) |
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| 15:22.06 | PaulFertser | dagger: i think yes, APM is not needed anymore. At least for the recent frameworkd. |
| 15:22.45 | henk | PaulFertser: i see :) |
| 15:23.06 | lindi- | PaulFertser: how does it suspend then? |
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| 15:23.33 | dagger | PaulFertser: yes i know. I was more concerned about other power related kernel subsystems. Won't is mess up any other subsystem (like pcf50633) ? |
| 15:23.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: echo mem >/sys/power/state |
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| 15:24.27 | PaulFertser | dagger: to the best of my knowledge, removing apm emulation won't mess up anything in kernel-space. |
| 15:24.51 | PaulFertser | dagger: but don't blame me if it will, i'm not a kernel dev ;) |
| 15:25.11 | dagger | PaulFertser: at least you're more confident than I am :) what about CONFIG_APM_POWER=y |
| 15:25.23 | dagger | it's in # SPI GPIO expanders: |
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| 15:27.03 | dagger | the only reason I'm asking, it because enlightenment has now HAL backed for battery and with 3 reported batteries it shows me 1/3 of actual battery status (already reported on E devs) |
| 15:27.06 | PaulFertser | dagger: some time ago there was a lengthy thread on ML about kernel devs' desire to remove all APM emulation. I guess they were prepared for it but didn't do because userspace maintainers mostly ignored the discussion, IIRC. |
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| 15:27.47 | dagger | PaulFertser: yeah I've read it. Anyway, the best options it just test it than :) |
| 15:28.16 | PaulFertser | dagger: and report on ML after the successful test ;) |
| 15:28.31 | dagger | PaulFertser: will do. Compiling now |
| 15:30.02 | PaulFertser | henk: do you think there were any reports from people stating that rootdelay=1 was not enough for them and more time is needed? Recent Qi includes that by default. Should i remove the section from wiki? |
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| 15:34.14 | henk | PaulFertser: sorry, i don't know about that. i tested with and without rootdelay 2 hours ago and both worked fine. i'd just leave it in. it is a valid option and who knows who might need it... |
| 15:34.43 | PaulFertser | henk: rootdelay=1 doesn't make sense anymore, as it's default in recent Qi. |
| 15:36.01 | henk | PaulFertser: i know that _now_ ;) add it to the 'defaults' section?! |
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| 15:37.15 | PaulFertser | henk: Ok, i'll leave the section changing 1 sec to 5 and will describe the default. |
| 15:37.45 | henk | PaulFertser: sounds good! |
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| 15:44.00 | dagger | PaulFertser: ok test results. lshal still reports 3 http://pastebin.com/m7b948976, but none shows right info (battery is at 100% charge now). E reports 0% (as it reads hal's results) |
| 15:47.02 | PaulFertser | dagger: i think i see only one battery in your test results. All available power supplies are supposed to be in /sys/class/power_supply . That includes usb-charger. |
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| 15:48.47 | dagger | PaulFertser: by 3 batteries I mean 3 devices with info.capabilities = {'battery'}. I will check other .config optins and report back |
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| 15:49.51 | PaulFertser | dagger: i see only 2 entries in your pastebin with info.capabilities = {'battery'} . One is for battery, one is for usb power supply. |
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| 15:51.17 | dagger | PaulFertser: oh sorry. Yes you're right. there are two of them now. I'm only wondering why /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_battery isn't showing right results |
| 15:51.55 | PaulFertser | dagger: battery.charge_level.percentage = 100 ? Isn't it correct? |
| 15:52.43 | dagger | PaulFertser: battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) |
| 15:52.43 | dagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.14 | PaulFertser | dagger: current is current. Why should it charge or discharged if it's fully charged now? |
| 15:54.58 | dagger | PaulFertser: oh it's change_level.current. (I should read more closely) |
| 15:55.30 | dagger | but still my laptop battery (which is fully charged) reports battery.charge_level.current = 52650 |
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| 15:58.40 | PaulFertser | dagger: Ah, i see now. The FR's kernel lacks charge_full_design and charge_now. You should probably ask about it on ML. |
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| 17:01.43 | Dave | cga :o |
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| 17:34.40 | cga | ciao Dave |
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| 17:39.54 | Dave | Hallo :D |
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| 17:50.11 | jokerfox | Hællæ :) |
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| 17:51.42 | Dave | s'kjera? |
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| 18:01.09 | jokerfox | :) |
| 18:03.50 | Dave | liker du hæstkuk? |
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| 18:03.52 | Dave | :p |
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| 18:35.37 | fredrin | Dave: Where are you from? North of Norway, lol |
| 18:35.53 | fredrin | or North Norway |
| 18:36.48 | Dave | hides |
| 18:36.59 | fredrin | Same? |
| 18:37.06 | fredrin | lol |
| 18:37.14 | fredrin | lappsame |
| 18:37.19 | Dave | NO |
| 18:37.26 | Dave | snakker du til meg!? |
| 18:37.31 | fredrin | ja |
| 18:37.36 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 18:37.40 | Tm_T | norje? hon är inte från norje |
| 18:37.43 | fredrin | måtte sjekke |
| 18:37.48 | Dave | Tm_t ~_~ |
| 18:37.49 | fredrin | same same, but different |
| 18:37.54 | Dave | fredrin, ja :P |
| 18:38.04 | Dave | hvordan går det? |
| 18:38.09 | fredrin | går bra |
| 18:38.14 | Dave | tm_t, je zuigt! |
| 18:38.20 | fredrin | Holder til i Uruguay om dagen |
| 18:38.21 | Dave | fredrin =] |
| 18:38.22 | fredrin | Montevideo |
| 18:38.23 | fredrin | fint land |
| 18:38.24 | Dave | Ah! |
| 18:38.31 | Dave | wow |
| 18:38.37 | Tm_T | nej! |
| 18:38.40 | Tm_T | hides |
| 18:38.41 | Dave | hva gjør du? |
| 18:38.57 | Tm_T | Dave: danske, roight? |
| 18:39.07 | Dave | tm_t, NO |
| 18:39.14 | Dave | lollerdanes |
| 18:39.19 | fredrin | tja si det :) Finner ut hvordan livet er i sør-amerika. Leker med Neo telefonen og leker med aksjemarkedet :) |
| 18:39.37 | Dave | tm_t: jævla hæstkuk! |
| 18:39.39 | Tm_T | Dave: javisst |
| 18:39.39 | Dave | :D |
| 18:39.42 | Sharwin_F | are we doing a language festival? hurray! |
| 18:39.43 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 18:39.47 | Dave | sharwin? |
| 18:39.49 | Tm_T | Sharwin_F: no, not yet |
| 18:40.06 | Dave | fredrin, hvordan er været? |
| 18:40.17 | fredrin | by the way, any good language tools for the Neo? |
| 18:40.24 | Dave | no :( |
| 18:40.31 | fredrin | Dave: varmt og sol |
| 18:40.33 | fredrin | sommer her nå |
| 18:40.42 | fredrin | rundt 25 - 30 grader |
| 18:40.45 | Tm_T | fredrin: talvi se on |
| 18:40.57 | fredrin | Tm_T: que? |
| 18:41.31 | Dave | oooh |
| 18:41.34 | Dave | hot ;p |
| 18:41.54 | Tm_T | fredrin: queue! |
| 18:43.02 | Dave | hmm, hvordan sier du douchebag på norsk? :D |
| 18:43.14 | balrog-kun | que hay de postre? |
| 18:43.20 | Dave | balrogkuns |
| 18:43.43 | balrog-kun | tips his hat |
| 18:43.47 | Dave | :) |
| 18:43.49 | Dave | Hallo |
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| 18:45.25 | fredrin | Dave: drittsekk, men duche er vel også sånn fittevaskedings |
| 18:45.32 | Dave | hehe ;D |
| 18:45.41 | Dave | danke |
| 18:45.56 | fredrin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vaginal_bulb_syringe.jpg |
| 18:46.00 | fredrin | lol |
| 18:46.00 | Dave | o_O |
| 18:46.06 | Dave | fitte? |
| 18:46.48 | fredrin | Dave: Fitte er en medisinsk term for vagina ;) |
| 18:47.16 | fredrin | eller så var det motsatt, hehe |
| 18:47.34 | Dave | ja :P |
| 18:47.44 | Dave | wtf... |
| 18:48.02 | Dave | hva gjør du? |
| 18:48.08 | Dave | runker? :P |
| 18:48.11 | Dave | XD |
| 18:48.23 | mwester | ergs, iek ik dbiikell du dooeppee furdle gurdle? |
| 18:48.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | plonk |
| 18:48.30 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:48.49 | fredrin | hungover, one becomes a bit mental midget then |
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| 18:48.57 | mwester | :P |
| 18:49.15 | Dave | DocScrutinizer, hvordan står det til med min bestevenn? :) |
| 18:49.30 | Dave | Mwester, good luck :D |
| 18:51.07 | Dave | konge joerg! |
| 18:51.07 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:51.08 | Dave | :X |
| 18:51.08 | Dave | beskjeden? |
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| 20:10.26 | Bixxmexx_ | HOT BABEs http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 |
| 20:10.56 | Bixxmexx_ | http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 |
| 20:11.08 | Bixxmexx_ | HOT BABES ARE F******http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 |
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| 22:05.44 | fale | where can I find a guide to install Om2008.12? |
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| 22:11.17 | Sharwin_F | fale, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing |
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| 22:11.25 | fale | Sharwin_F: thankyou :) |
| 22:12.03 | Sharwin_F | fale, I personally use Neotool, it looks easily than using dfu-utils from terminal directly :) |
| 22:12.23 | fale | Sharwin_F: thankyou, I will download it, then :) |
| 22:12.44 | fale | Sharwin_F: are you using 2008.12? |
| 22:13.04 | Sharwin_F | fale, well, now now... I'm without anything |
| 22:13.12 | fale | I see |
| 22:13.13 | Sharwin_F | I'm gonna use SHR now |
| 22:13.18 | fale | shr? |
| 22:13.42 | Sharwin_F | I had SHR before but some changes crashed it and now devs have just put things on their place :D |
| 22:14.08 | Sharwin_F | fale, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR |
| 22:14.50 | fale | Sharwin_F: I'm using Qtopia, atm, but I think is going way too long the last development |
| 22:15.07 | Sharwin_F | fale, I've tried just now qtopia |
| 22:15.17 | Sharwin_F | I prefer SHR, is more community based |
| 22:15.20 | fale | Sharwin_F: which version? |
| 22:15.37 | fale | Sharwin_F: shr is like a 'stable' fso? |
| 22:15.40 | Sharwin_F | fale, I'm going to try now the unstable they have just uploaded |
| 22:15.52 | Sharwin_F | fale, no |
| 22:16.05 | Sharwin_F | fale, I think they use some of the code from FSO |
| 22:16.34 | fale | Sharwin_F: I see |
| 22:16.52 | fale | Sharwin_F: the last stable version of shr has some very annoing bugs? |
| 22:17.20 | Sharwin_F | fale, I think they don't have stable versions... xD |
| 22:17.29 | fale | :o |
| 22:17.34 | Sharwin_F | they are going to have a stable version soon although |
| 22:17.47 | fale | ok, I think i'll try fso, than |
| 22:17.54 | Sharwin_F | but it's the best distro I've used at the moment |
| 22:17.55 | Gnutoo | fale, like?(the annoying bugs) |
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| 22:18.42 | fale | Gnutoo: bad audio quality (like qtopia) or no wireless (like Qtopia) no gps software (like qtopia) and other stuff like that |
| 22:19.10 | fale | Sharwin_F: why do you think is better than fso? |
| 22:19.14 | Gnutoo | fale, for the echo you have to edit a file |
| 22:19.34 | fale | Gnutoo: the problem is the low and not always continued volume |
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| 22:19.45 | fale | Gnutoo: and a lot of time, the voice lags |
| 22:19.49 | Gnutoo | fale, ah ok so it's another problem... |
| 22:19.56 | fale | yep |
| 22:20.19 | fale | on my phone I had resolved the echo problem, as soon as it appeared ;) |
| 22:20.33 | Sharwin_F | fale, I tried to set up FSo yesterday and it stacked at boot |
| 22:20.47 | fale | Sharwin_F: wonderfull... |
| 22:22.55 | fale | Sharwin_F: I hope that the last decisions of nokia about qt will soon touch qtopia |
| 22:23.12 | Sharwin_F | fale, what about? |
| 22:23.40 | fale | Sharwin_F: nokia promised LGPL and a more open develop for qt4.5 |
| 22:24.43 | kelvie | fale: they already said it won't affect Qt Extended |
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| 22:24.50 | Sharwin_F | aren't qt free sfotware already? |
| 22:24.57 | fale | kelvie: :( |
| 22:25.03 | kelvie | GPL and LGPL are both free according to how you define "free" |
| 22:25.05 | fale | Sharwin_F: is under GPL |
| 22:25.29 | kelvie | does an opkg upgrade upgrade the kernel as well? |
| 22:25.36 | kelvie | if an upgrade is available, that is |
| 22:25.53 | Sharwin_F | kelvie, I've seen sometimes some kernel modules being updated |
| 22:26.09 | Sharwin_F | I don't know if that answers at all your question :P |
| 22:26.12 | kelvie | modules I can understand, but the actual kernel is what I am wondering about, yeah |
| 22:26.18 | fale | is there a way to have a stable and daily usable phone (mine is daily usable, but it has some annoing bugs) |
| 22:26.36 | kelvie | I've been using FSO for a while |
| 22:26.38 | Sharwin_F | fale, I use my mobile dialy with shr :P |
| 22:26.39 | fale | kelvie: do you know the date of the next qtextended? |
| 22:26.42 | kelvie | although the GSM buzzing is kind of annoying |
| 22:26.45 | kelvie | fale: I do not |
| 22:27.04 | fale | kelvie: thx :) |
| 22:27.47 | kelvie | wow.. has FSO upgraded to 2.6.28 already? |
| 22:28.15 | fale | kelvie: what is the GSM buzzing? |
| 22:28.17 | Sharwin_F | I think so |
| 22:28.44 | kelvie | fale: there's a loud buzz on the other end when I make phone calls |
| 22:28.52 | kelvie | I don't hear it, but I've gotten complaints from the other party |
| 22:29.19 | fale | kelvie: that's one of the problem of qtopia too... maybe is a kernel stuff? |
| 22:29.25 | kelvie | it is |
| 22:29.52 | fale | kelvie: wow |
| 22:30.02 | kelvie | or rather, it is a hardware problem |
| 22:30.11 | fale | hardware? :o |
| 22:31.42 | fale | kelvie: than the only way to solve it, is change the phone? |
| 22:31.43 | Sharwin_F | hey, I'm the only stupid guy who doesn't know how to restart the mobile after flashing without taking out the battery? xD |
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| 23:17.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | fale: searchhardware mailing list for "buzz", from "joerg@om.org" |
| 23:17.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | fale: also see people.openmoko.org/joerg |
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| 23:25.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | fale: usually changing the gsm-provider (to change the RF-band) will improve things. We see buzz particularly on one of 4 providers (E+ 1800MHz) here in Germany, for example |
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| 23:26.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | steve and a lot of other OM-employees are busy to set up some infrastructure to cope with this hw-issue |
| 23:27.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | fale: see steve's mails on community-ml regarding this topic |
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| 23:51.22 | brian__ | i get no buzz on att-use |
| 23:51.28 | brian__ | uas |
| 23:51.37 | brian__ | usa |
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