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| 00:26.40 | rooly1 | guys |
| 00:26.55 | rooly1 | why won't my FR propperly report its wifi or bluetooth |
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| 01:07.12 | simoo | How do I flash my freerunner if I have changed to Qi? |
| 01:07.40 | rooly1 | use the nand uboot |
| 01:08.05 | rooly1 | or whatever the 'oh-shit' one is |
| 01:08.39 | simoo | I changed to qi to be more compatible with Android is that a bad idea? |
| 01:08.56 | rooly1 | i don't think it would be |
| 01:09.32 | simoo | so to get to nand uboot I turn on the power then hold aux for 5 seconds? |
| 01:09.40 | rooly1 | no |
| 01:09.51 | simoo | ah, what do I do then? |
| 01:09.57 | rooly1 | turn it off, then hold aux first and then power |
| 01:10.06 | simoo | right, thank you :) |
| 01:10.08 | rooly1 | that should be your 'oh-shit' uboot |
| 01:10.11 | rooly1 | i think its nand |
| 01:10.18 | mjr | nor |
| 01:10.23 | simoo | why 'oh-shit'? |
| 01:10.24 | rooly1 | yeah |
| 01:10.33 | rooly1 | cause it can't change unless you've got a debug board |
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| 01:10.44 | simoo | nor = 'oh-shit' |
| 01:10.53 | rooly1 | yeah |
| 01:11.06 | simoo | so can I change back to uboot? |
| 01:11.06 | rooly1 | i always get confused between which is which...just like my left and right hands |
| 01:11.19 | rooly1 | yeah |
| 01:11.27 | simoo | right, that's ok then! |
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| 01:22.42 | rooly1 | woooooO!!!!! |
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| 01:26.52 | simoo | what?! |
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| 01:27.14 | rooly1 | gots mah keyboard working |
| 01:27.26 | simoo | bluetooth one? |
| 01:27.48 | simoo | or are you coding? |
| 01:28.01 | rooly1 | a bluetooth one |
| 01:28.47 | simoo | nice, I have a small cause for celebration too... I just got android running for the first time |
| 01:28.53 | rooly1 | gj |
| 01:29.02 | rooly1 | i heard android now has working wifi and bluetooth |
| 01:29.57 | simoo | yeah, I just tried scanning for networks but it failed... i read somewhere about changing a config file... |
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| 01:31.15 | simoo | it does look sweet though :) |
| 01:32.30 | rooly1 | i didn't like it too much |
| 01:32.37 | rooly1 | since...well...its sorta SLOW |
| 01:33.41 | simoo | I run qte on my freerunner (android is on my bros) and this images doesn't seem too bad incomparison |
| 01:34.03 | rooly1 | how's the sms cloning |
| 01:34.08 | rooly1 | has it been fixed yet? |
| 01:34.29 | simoo | what's sms cloning? can I send sms? |
| 01:34.36 | rooly1 | sure |
| 01:34.56 | rooly1 | but when you recieve one, it clones |
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| 01:35.36 | simoo | oh you mean on qte... wow yeah what a pain, I get many many repete sms |
| 01:35.57 | rooly1 | i couldn't stand it |
| 01:36.02 | rooly1 | what about your bluetooth |
| 01:36.55 | simoo | bluetooth on qte works well - recieved vcards pictures no prolem... havn't tried sending |
| 01:37.05 | rooly1 | then you won't |
| 01:37.20 | rooly1 | 4.4.2 has shown bluetooth problems before tho |
| 01:37.26 | rooly1 | sometimes, it doesn't even register as existing |
| 01:38.21 | simoo | I would be really interested to use shr but need it to function a little better as a phone first |
| 01:38.35 | simoo | qte seems the best i got so far |
| 01:39.05 | rooly1 | qtopia 4.3.2 was my favorite |
| 01:39.26 | simoo | more stable than 4.4.2? |
| 01:39.43 | rooly1 | definitely |
| 01:40.08 | simoo | what do you use now? |
| 01:40.16 | rooly1 | well |
| 01:40.19 | rooly1 | i got a new phone |
| 01:40.22 | rooly1 | so i'm using that one as my phone |
| 01:40.31 | rooly1 | and asu (om2008.12) as a toy |
| 01:40.42 | simoo | ic |
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| 02:06.22 | zooko | Anybody use a Freerunner with a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 02:08.10 | zooko | Ah, I see that Rooly just did so... |
| 02:10.27 | zooko | Revision 0360. |
| 02:10.45 | zooko | The wiki says "Revision: 0350 |
| 02:10.56 | zooko | " and then says "the "05" indicates the hardware revision, in this case revision 05" |
| 02:10.58 | zooko | :-) |
| 02:11.06 | zooko | Maybe it means revision 50? |
| 02:13.55 | rooly1 | i do |
| 02:14.15 | rooly1 | huh? |
| 02:14.27 | zooko | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
| 02:14.59 | rooly1 | possibly a typo |
| 02:19.55 | zooko | How do I pair a bluetooth keyboard with my FreeRunner? |
| 02:20.12 | rooly1 | hop into a terminal |
| 02:20.20 | rooly1 | the simple way: turn on bluetooth from settings |
| 02:20.52 | zooko | Okay, got bluetooth powered up. |
| 02:20.55 | rooly1 | then, in a terminal: hciconfig hci0 up && hidd --search (while your keyboard is in pairing mode) |
| 02:22.02 | zooko | Thanks! |
| 02:23.18 | zooko | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.18 | zooko | Can't get device information: Permission denied |
| 02:23.45 | rooly1 | then your keyboard wont' work the easy way |
| 02:23.51 | rooly1 | check the wiki |
| 02:23.58 | rooly1 | 'manually using bluetooth' |
| 02:24.34 | zooko | Thanks! |
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| 04:44.07 | Ancient123 | should it generally take like 30 minutes to flash a freerunner... |
| 04:48.24 | mwester | no, it probably shouldn't, but it does. |
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| 06:49.31 | gecco | good morning |
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| 08:00.17 | wehttamb | hi. got my neo freerunner in the mail today. ive installed qtopia but cant get it to connect to the internet on a wireless network. its connected to the network but says host not found when i try to open a website. anyone know how i might be able to get it working? |
| 08:04.20 | lpotter | need to hand edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:08.07 | wehttamb | should it already exist? right now the file doesnt exist |
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| 08:09.35 | wehttamb | found it. but its empty |
| 08:10.20 | wehttamb | could i have it the same as the one on my desktop? |
| 08:12.07 | oligo | I copied the file from my desktop, that works in my (home) network |
| 08:12.24 | wehttamb | ok. i will try that. thanks |
| 08:15.14 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:19.57 | |Marco| | 'mornin Hopscotch |
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| 08:37.26 | wehttamb | ive copied my /etc/resolv.conf file to the freerunner but now i cant connect to my wireless network at all. when i try it says pending and then goes back to offline |
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| 08:48.14 | badcloud | hey all |
| 08:48.29 | badcloud | how do I move my /home dir to the sd card? |
| 08:48.41 | dns | hey |
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| 09:41.22 | wehttamb | ive copied my resolv.conf file to my neo freerunner running qtopia but i cant access the internet over wifi with the network connected. when i try to open a page it shows '10%' and then that dissapears with nothing happening |
| 09:41.36 | wehttamb | how can i get my internet to work? |
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| 10:10.37 | doopa | help |
| 10:10.41 | doopa | oops |
| 10:14.27 | spaetz_away | hi all, me again: dmesg "bad block table found at page 131008" doesn't sound too good, does it? |
| 10:14.42 | spaetz_away | although googling reveals a few instances of the very same message |
| 10:15.15 | spaetz | what's worse, it's followed by nan_read_bbt: bad block 0x02520000 |
| 10:15.21 | spaetz | and 2 othe bad blocks. |
| 10:15.31 | spaetz | is that a nand flash corruption? |
| 10:16.05 | spaetz | I have difficulties getting into nand u-boot (or booting regular) while booting through the NOR u-boot alwas works |
| 10:16.26 | spaetz | nand_read_bbt: bad block 0x02520000 |
| 10:18.25 | PaulFertser | spaetz: i guess those dmesg messages are ok |
| 10:18.41 | PaulFertser | spaetz: they just state the address where "bad block table" is stored. |
| 10:18.52 | spaetz | ok, thanks. I jsut bought the OpenMoko and was a bit concerned that I got a bad one. |
| 10:19.11 | spaetz | it's used but only a few weeks old. |
| 10:19.28 | spaetz | just reading up the NAND_bad_blocks page in the Moko wiki... |
| 10:19.34 | PaulFertser | spaetz: and it's ok to have several bad blocks on NAND. That's why BBT exists. |
| 10:20.10 | PaulFertser | spaetz: have you tried to flash NAND bootloader? |
| 10:20.27 | spaetz | yep, tried to reflash NAND. |
| 10:20.36 | spaetz | NAND u-boot |
| 10:21.09 | PaulFertser | And? |
| 10:22.13 | spaetz | no luck. I get the NOR u-boot menu both when I hold AUX when pressing POWER |
| 10:22.27 | spaetz | and also when I hold POWER and pressing AUX |
| 10:22.59 | henk | how do you tell? |
| 10:23.08 | spaetz | it vibrates shortly instead of showing the NAND menu, and I continue holding it until the NOW menu comes up |
| 10:23.19 | spaetz | henk: it says u-boot (NOR) in the menu title |
| 10:23.34 | spaetz | I got the NAND menu once or twice, so it is there |
| 10:23.42 | spaetz | but never managed to repeat it |
| 10:23.57 | spaetz | really weird |
| 10:24.26 | henk | the correct way is something like that: hold power, wait 1 sec, hold aux, wait until nand shows up. doesn't work? |
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| 10:25.59 | PaulFertser | spaetz: just a few notes. As far as i can tell, BBT is implemented differently on GTA01 and GTA02. The wiki notes in general apply to both, but the details might differ. |
| 10:27.06 | spaetz | henk, that's exactly what I try and I get ***BOOTÂ MENUÂ (NOR)Â *** |
| 10:27.07 | PaulFertser | spaetz: moreover modern and supported bootloader Qi doesn't have environment and have a fixed "mtd partition table". |
| 10:27.25 | spaetz | Does Qi work with Om2008.12? |
| 10:27.36 | spaetz | In that case I might try that one |
| 10:27.39 | PaulFertser | spaetz: why do you press AUX at all? You shouldn't to get to the NAND. |
| 10:28.06 | spaetz | PaulFertser: Just pressing POWER doesn't do anything for me |
| 10:28.16 | spaetz | I can press it all day long and nothing happens |
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| 10:28.32 | spaetz | So The NORÂ Boot menu seems the only way so far to actually start stuff |
| 10:28.38 | PaulFertser | spaetz: are you sure you've flashed the right bootloader to the right NAND partition? |
| 10:28.58 | spaetz | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bi |
| 10:29.03 | spaetz | .bin |
| 10:29.17 | PaulFertser | Looks ok... |
| 10:29.25 | spaetz | this is how I flashed it taken from the "Flashing your Moko" wiki page |
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| 10:29.34 | PaulFertser | Qi should work with any distro, i see no reason why it might not work. |
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| 10:29.52 | spaetz | OK, I'll try that one |
| 10:29.58 | spaetz | thanks in any case |
| 10:30.02 | PaulFertser | But u-boot should boot from NAND as well. Pretty weird... And of course you don't have a debug board, have you? |
| 10:30.20 | spaetz | nope. Just the freerunner |
| 10:31.36 | PaulFertser | Qi doesn't give any visual feedback except AUX led and with 2.6.24 you won't see anything on the console until X starts, i guess. |
| 10:31.56 | PaulFertser | So you might be confused by it as well. |
| 10:32.24 | PaulFertser | Heh, it's time to at least fix the wiki to describe Qi UI not to repeat again and again the same things. |
| 10:32.50 | spaetz | heh, thanks for that tip. might save me some time |
| 10:33.46 | PaulFertser | spaetz: the first NAND page is guaranteed to be OK and Qi as well as u-boot support loading of the second stage honoring BBT. So, bad blocks in NAND shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 10:35.03 | henk | spaetz: you could modify your uboot env to stop_in_menu (or something like that). then booting via powerbutton ONLY will give you the nand uboot. |
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| 10:35.06 | PaulFertser | Qi is definetely more robust and predictable as it doesn't depend on environment. |
| 10:35.07 | henk | s/will/should/ |
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| 10:36.06 | henk | but the environment makes u-boot a lot more customizable and easier to select the correct distro to boot if you have more than one or two... |
| 10:37.00 | PaulFertser | henk: nope, if u-boot is flashed to NAND, it should boot with PWR button. If you hold AUX while powering of the FR, you ask hardware to load from NOR. Simple powering on executes code from NAND. |
| 10:37.29 | henk | PaulFertser: that's what i'm saying. |
| 10:37.49 | PaulFertser | henk: you can select correct distro with Qi as well. And to customize boot parameters you can create /boot/append-GTA02 that is a hell lot easier to modify and inspect than u-boot env. |
| 10:38.25 | PaulFertser | henk: if u-boot is flashed, then "booting via powerbutton ONLY will give you the nand uboot" regardless of the stop_in_menu setting. |
| 10:38.35 | henk | PaulFertser: yes, but if you have 4 distros on sd and you want to boot the one in flash, it's definitely easier with the uboot-menu (at least imho) |
| 10:38.38 | PaulFertser | henk: that's how hardware works. |
| 10:39.01 | henk | PaulFertser: ok, i mean the nand uboot _menu_. |
| 10:39.25 | spaetz | mmh, Qi is nice |
| 10:39.32 | spaetz | worked like a charm |
| 10:40.33 | PaulFertser | henk: the correct solution to the "5 distro in one phone" problem would be to implement an appropriate initramfs with menu, not to port numerous drivers from Linux to u-boot and mess with broken environment every now and then and support users without an easy and transparent way to know everything that could affect bootloader. |
| 10:41.18 | spaetz | It sounds very reasonable to first try to load a distro from the SD card and then continue woth the internal one |
| 10:41.32 | henk | PaulFertser: in an ideal world ... ;) |
| 10:41.32 | spaetz | Switching distros can then always happen by switching cards |
| 10:41.34 | PaulFertser | spaetz: Great. If you can't read the code yourself and want to customize anything, ask me for the time being, and i'll add the details to the wiki later. |
| 10:41.50 | spaetz | thanks |
| 10:42.39 | PaulFertser | henk: using Qi takes us closer to an ideal world. Using unsupported and deprecated (on FR) u-boot takes us farther. |
| 10:42.48 | spaetz | anyone on Om2008.12 here? Poweroff doesn't work other than by issueing poweroff in a terminal, right? |
| 10:42.54 | spaetz | no button does that, it seems |
| 10:43.17 | PaulFertser | spaetz: most people here don't care about Om2008.x at all, i guess. |
| 10:43.44 | spaetz | Well, I want to get something stable on the internal NAND first, before I start experimenting with stuff on the SDÂ card. |
| 10:44.13 | PaulFertser | spaetz: it has no future. OM's already abandoned it and i have not heard about any community effort to support it. |
| 10:44.30 | henk | PaulFertser: using qi doesn't take us anywhere without the developement of a mini-linux-bootloader... :-/ |
| 10:44.51 | spaetz | mmh, I had tried FSO, but upgrading to FSO-testing fucked up the environment due to dependency inconsistenies |
| 10:45.24 | henk | i guess i'd put shr on the flash and debian or hackable:1 on the card... |
| 10:46.04 | PaulFertser | henk: no, it does. The majority doesn't need to switch distributions all the time anyway. And the more people use Qi, the less problems for developers who don't wont to be bothered with unsupported and buggy (on FR) u-boot. |
| 10:46.12 | spaetz | haven't tried SHR yet. will certainly do at some point. For now I'm happy to actually try to make a phone call :) |
| 10:46.28 | henk | PaulFertser: ok, didn't consider that point of view :) |
| 10:46.31 | PaulFertser | henk: choosing between 2 distributions with Qi is fairly easy, so that's not a problem. |
| 10:46.58 | henk | PaulFertser: 2 distributions - not really a problem. it get's annoying when you have more i guess... |
| 10:47.21 | PaulFertser | If you can't count to 4, then, probably, yes :p |
| 10:48.40 | PaulFertser | Qi supports transparent for the user choice between 4 boot possibilities. When it start loading from a boot possibility, it turns on the red LED. When you press AUX, it skips this boot possibility and vibrates. I guess it's enough feedback to be able to choose the right one. |
| 10:50.43 | PaulFertser | henk: btw, GTA03 won't boot from internal NAND at all and only Qi will be available as bootloader. AFAIK. |
| 10:50.47 | henk | PaulFertser: hm perhaps... if i have the choice, i'll prefer the menu... |
| 10:52.06 | henk | PaulFertser: that's ok, i'm in favor of qi, don't get me wrong there. i'm just saying u-boot is more comfortable IMHO(!) with it's menu. qi is definitely the cleaner and 'better' software, but not very comfortable to use without a linux-boot-menu. |
| 10:52.45 | PaulFertser | henk: i can't understand that: why so many people want to have a menu and yet nobody has ported any initramfs-based solution yet? They already exist, for some Angstrom-supported devices, for Zaurus, etc. Just port it or write from scratch. Do some good for community, it will be needed anyway for GTA03 ;) |
| 10:54.51 | henk | PaulFertser: true. and i will as soon as i have finished my apprenticeship, moved to the bodensee, found a new job, found a new apartment, and so on... and that will be in about two months... :-/ |
| 10:55.10 | PaulFertser | henk: you see, u-boot presence harms. If it weren't for u-boot, a decent menu would have already existed. ;) |
| 10:55.35 | henk | then take the uboot images away ;) |
| 10:55.59 | PaulFertser | henk: Good luck to you with all that! Sounds not so easy :-/ |
| 10:56.37 | henk | each of those: not too difficult. it's just the combination and the timeframe... |
| 10:56.41 | henk | PaulFertser: but thanks :) |
| 10:57.05 | henk | gotta go now... we have to paint (?) this apartment today and tomorrow... |
| 10:57.18 | henk | PaulFertser: thanks for the conversation, was interesting :) |
| 10:57.30 | PaulFertser | henk: Thanks for you interest :) and good luck! |
| 10:57.44 | henk | thanks! need it 'g' |
| 10:59.44 | spaetz | henk: Bodensee? Where that? |
| 11:08.32 | doopa | konstanz, south Germany. |
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| 11:12.24 | PaulFertser | KenSentMe: Whats da passwoid? |
| 11:13.20 | KenSentMe | PaulFertser, hehe |
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| 11:14.58 | PaulFertser | Sierra games were full of sly messages within the text-based games, and the greatest downfall of the company's movement to the interactive movie format was the loss of this element of humor. |
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| 11:16.17 | KenSentMe | Yeah, they should have kept people like Al Lowe |
| 11:17.40 | spaetz | Cool, Konstanz isn't that far from Zurich where I live :-) |
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| 11:35.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rca1afd2371c9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: odeviced: add missing variable in constructor |
| 11:35.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0be860bbc94f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogpsd: don't try to shutdown a channel that doesn't exist |
| 11:35.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r83c2b0a9d260 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: opgsd: fix bogus indention |
| 11:36.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r30d25a78695b 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogspd: another bogus indent |
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| 11:57.38 | spaetz | mmh SHR looks nice. |
| 11:58.04 | spaetz | no idea how to start GPS for tangogps yet, but this actually is somewhat polished and usable |
| 11:58.15 | spaetz | together with Qi, best so far |
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| 12:01.35 | sakkara_ | spaetz: just run fso_gpsd& |
| 12:02.26 | sakkara_ | s/fso_gpsd&/fso-gpsd& |
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| 12:17.02 | dns | spaetz the /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd script has a bug, google it and you will find the upgrade, the bug is only there if you upgrade not if you uninstall/reinstall fso-gpsd |
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| 12:21.41 | spaetz | dns, thanks for the hint. found http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/233 |
| 12:21.47 | spaetz | which fixes it |
| 12:22.50 | dns | yeah it's a strange bug, only there when you upgrade |
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| 12:30.03 | beni | someone played liquid war? |
| 12:30.15 | beni | how do i control the cursor? |
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| 12:32.33 | carlo_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! a new software for openmoko |
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| 12:41.05 | dns | you wrote it? |
| 12:42.11 | dns | it looks good but is there a way to update only one source of maps? does it do all of them? |
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| 12:52.26 | lindi- | dns: Yaouh looks very unpolite, it will generate a lot of traffic for OSM |
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| 12:53.45 | dns | i have a shell script that tries to be as polite as possible so it may not be that useful for me |
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| 13:02.43 | spaetz | if Yaouh would only check files that are older than a couple of day/weeks rather than universally comparing md5s it would be nice |
| 13:06.45 | dns | it downloads everything? |
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| 13:13.41 | spaetz | seems like it comparres md5 sums of all tiles with those on the server and saves if different |
| 13:14.10 | spaetz | to me that seems like one HTTP call per local tile |
| 13:14.14 | spaetz | but I haven't checked |
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| 13:52.38 | lindi- | dns: sent the author of Yaouh! email |
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| 14:07.21 | dagger|work | does FSO have any dedicated IRC channel? |
| 14:07.36 | Tm_T | dagger|work: openembedded ? |
| 14:08.04 | dns | they hang out in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:08.10 | dagger|work | Tm_T: well openembedded is very general channel |
| 14:08.19 | dns | no official channel as far as i know |
| 14:09.04 | dagger|work | ok thanks |
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| 14:58.58 | Pander | Any Dutch users that can advise about Telfort subscription with GPRS in the Netherslands for a FreeRunner? |
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| 15:02.33 | henk | spaetz: zuerich is the next step ;) or switzerland in general. would be too much for now... |
| 15:03.00 | henk | spaetz: my GFs family lives in the bodensee area, friedrichshafen, lindau, ... |
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| 15:44.56 | Pander | Anyone here got DNS over USB working? |
| 15:45.43 | brian__ | yup |
| 15:46.13 | lindi- | works |
| 15:47.09 | brian__ | if u havent rebooted since u installed u need aa reboot |
| 15:47.32 | brian__ | have u shr? |
| 15:48.21 | Pander | I have set up router -> laptop -> freerunner. laptop has a nameserver on the router and routers has nameserver on internet. what do I add to /etc/network/interaface for nameserver? |
| 15:48.27 | brian__ | lindi u use qtX? |
| 15:48.35 | Pander | I have testing installed with illume running |
| 15:48.58 | Pander | testing = om2008.12 + some fixes |
| 15:49.03 | brian__ | testing what? |
| 15:49.33 | Pander | I had the same issues with the om2008.12 and om2008.11 |
| 15:49.37 | brian__ | do u have any ips in /etc/resolv.xconf? |
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| 15:49.52 | Pander | http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 15:50.26 | lindi- | brian__: debian |
| 15:50.40 | Pander | on laptop: more resolv.conf |
| 15:50.42 | Pander | domain lan |
| 15:50.44 | Pander | search lan |
| 15:50.46 | Pander | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:50.50 | Pander | this is working |
| 15:51.06 | Pander | on freerunnen (not working): nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:51.18 | Pander | perhaps I need to add the domain and search lines? |
| 15:51.43 | brian__ | well unless im incorrect u need a public ip in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:52.10 | DocScruntinizer2 | maybe you need correct route setting |
| 15:52.46 | DocScruntinizer2 | brian__: duh, no! |
| 15:52.52 | brian__ | lindi i had debian installed on sd when it first came to moko buy havent got it to install since an i really liked debian |
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| 15:52.56 | Pander | for my laptop it is ok, rotuer tells me this; Primary DNS Server: 62.58.50.5 |
| 15:52.58 | Pander | Secondary DNS Server: 62.58.50.6 |
| 15:53.16 | DocScruntinizer2 | local dsl-router for dns is quite common |
| 15:53.22 | brian__ | oo |
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| 15:53.33 | Pander | the freerunner script takes the 192.168.1.1 when setting up the forwarding |
| 15:53.38 | rooly | fixed his dns problem long ago |
| 15:54.02 | DocScruntinizer2 | Pander: yup, and your laptop uses 192.168.1.1 router for DNS |
| 15:54.08 | brian__ | please explain doc:) |
| 15:54.09 | rooly | just throw a script in your init.d that echos opendns into resolv.conf |
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| 15:54.56 | Pander | not in /etc/network/interfaces script? |
| 15:55.12 | DocScruntinizer2 | brian__: resolv.conf will happily use any valid dns ip. it's agnostic of public/local |
| 15:55.22 | Pander | sorry, please refer to laptop and freerunner when talking about paths |
| 15:55.37 | rooly | echo "echo \"nameserver 208.67.222.222\" >> /etc/resolv.conf" >> /etc/init.d/dns.sh && echo "echo \"nameserver 208.67.220.220\" >> /etc/resolv.conf" >> /etc/init.d/dns.sh && chmod +x /etc/init.d/dns.sh |
| 15:56.05 | rooly | run that command, and you'll never have trouble with dns again |
| 15:56.20 | DocScruntinizer2 | Pander: cryptic ;), but looks good |
| 15:56.41 | Pander | I can read to code, no worreis about that. i'll have a go at it. no reboot? |
| 15:57.01 | rooly | for mine? |
| 15:57.25 | DocScruntinizer2 | uh, sorry: &rooly |
| 15:57.29 | Pander | should the first redirect be > in stead of >> ? |
| 15:57.45 | rooly | resolv.conf is empty at system boot |
| 15:58.04 | rooly | in fact, resolv.conf stays empty until you put something in it |
| 15:58.08 | Pander | and what about the echo nameserver from /etc/network/interfaces? remove those? |
| 15:58.33 | rooly | have you manually put those in? |
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| 15:58.59 | DocScruntinizer2 | rooly: anyway I'd prefer two mv |
| 15:59.02 | rooly | Pander: you shouldn't need to |
| 15:59.23 | DocScruntinizer2 | to swap content of resolv.conf |
| 16:00.54 | rooly | DocScruntinizer2: thats fine, all i'm giving is a quick hack |
| 16:01.04 | rooly | that won't cause trouble |
| 16:01.16 | Pander | still no luck ;( |
| 16:01.31 | DocScruntinizer2 | Pander: anyway, as local router for dns works for your laptop, your problem seems to be correct route setting, not content of resolv.conf |
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| 16:01.56 | DocScruntinizer2 | on FR |
| 16:02.15 | DocScruntinizer2 | try ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:03.00 | Pander | I'll have a go |
| 16:03.00 | DocScruntinizer2 | check output of 'roue' and 'ifconfig' |
| 16:03.08 | rooly | route* |
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| 16:03.19 | DocScruntinizer2 | *route |
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| 16:04.16 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.18 | Pander | Kernel IP routing table |
| 16:04.20 | Pander | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 16:04.21 | Pander | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 16:04.53 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.55 | Pander | PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes |
| 16:04.57 | Pander | --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- |
| 16:04.58 | Pander | 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 16:05.41 | DocScruntinizer2 | your subnet is .0.0, not 1.0 on route |
| 16:06.46 | DocScruntinizer2 | Pander: i.e. route must report 192.168.1.0 for gateway ip |
| 16:07.16 | rooly | i remember there being an issue with route on 2008.8 |
| 16:07.27 | Pander | iface usb0 inet static |
| 16:07.27 | DocScruntinizer2 | *if* that's the ip of ur router |
| 16:07.29 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.30 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.32 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.33 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.04 | jokerfox | Where can I find mplayer too FR ? |
| 16:08.18 | jokerfox | is there a repo for that ? |
| 16:08.30 | rooly | possibly from angstrom |
| 16:08.37 | DocScruntinizer2 | change netmask to 255.255.0.0 |
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| 16:08.45 | jokerfox | rooly: ty |
| 16:08.48 | rooly | but be careful about adding the angstrom repo |
| 16:08.56 | rooly | because using it can really really mess up the fr |
| 16:09.27 | brian__ | yup i borkes shr-russia 2 times |
| 16:09.56 | brian__ | with installing mplayer from angstorm |
| 16:11.21 | Pander | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 96:63:F9:D0:77:91 |
| 16:11.23 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.35 | DocScruntinizer2 | Pander: for route too! |
| 16:13.00 | Pander | where do I do that? |
| 16:13.31 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.33 | DocScruntinizer2 | dunno where your route is setup |
| 16:13.33 | Pander | Kernel IP routing table |
| 16:13.35 | Pander | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 16:13.36 | Pander | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 16:13.44 | Pander | this is what route tells me after netwrosk restart |
| 16:14.02 | DocScruntinizer2 | looks good |
| 16:14.04 | write__erase | Hi ... Is there some usable/free UART on the GTA02 board ? Eg: the GPS or GSM UART when they are disabled. thx |
| 16:14.13 | DocScruntinizer2 | check your router as well |
| 16:14.21 | Pander | ? |
| 16:15.17 | Pander | I can ping from laptop to router on ip, but not from freerunner to router , also on ip |
| 16:15.30 | DocScruntinizer2 | so router knows 192.168.0.0 and .1.0 are both on local net |
| 16:16.59 | DocScruntinizer2 | sorry forget that, FR is on your laptop, not on your router |
| 16:17.30 | DocScruntinizer2 | I told complete nonsense, sorry :( |
| 16:17.42 | Pander | only thing I can ping from FR is laptop |
| 16:17.48 | Pander | on IP bases |
| 16:18.20 | Pander | these are the iptables: |
| 16:18.25 | Pander | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s $REMOTE_IPADDR |
| 16:18.27 | Pander | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -s $REMOTE_IPADDR -d $IPADDR --dport domain |
| 16:18.29 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.29 | DocScruntinizer2 | yup, you need switch on ip forwarding (routing) on your laptop |
| 16:18.30 | Pander | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p udp -s $REMOTE_IPADDR -d $IPADDR --dport domain |
| 16:18.32 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.35 | Pander | on laptop |
| 16:18.42 | DocScruntinizer2 | yup |
| 16:19.10 | Pander | there is also a NETMASK in the freerunner script |
| 16:19.42 | Pander | but it is not use, :S |
| 16:20.19 | DocScruntinizer2 | all the above from your laptop?! |
| 16:21.07 | Pander | jep |
| 16:21.13 | DocScruntinizer2 | if so, doublecheck, and also check your firewall on laptop opens the forwarding |
| 16:21.16 | Pander | i think it is the ip4_forward part |
| 16:21.28 | DocScruntinizer2 | check FW |
| 16:21.32 | Pander | :/var/run$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:21.34 | Pander | 0 |
| 16:21.38 | Pander | on laptop |
| 16:21.50 | Pander | while freerunner script should have echoed a 1 in there |
| 16:22.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03rdaniellou 07specs * r144691bbb0b3 10/ogpsd/ (5 files): add Gypsy interface documentation for FSO |
| 16:22.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra83d4468e165 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): regenerate docs for FSO GPS API documentation |
| 16:22.23 | DocScruntinizer2 | hmm, run script as root? |
| 16:22.54 | DocScruntinizer2 | also check your firewall! |
| 16:23.14 | Pander | I have echoed a 1 in there |
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| 16:23.24 | tordo | Pander: that routing table is not good |
| 16:23.47 | tordo | run route add default gw <desktop-usb-ip> on the phone |
| 16:24.19 | Dave | tordo :] |
| 16:24.25 | tordo | Dave =o) |
| 16:24.32 | Pander | is that the same as setting the gateway in interfaces file? |
| 16:24.54 | tordo | yes, should be |
| 16:26.01 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r21ce409ba5c1 10/html/index.html: formatting |
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| 16:26.14 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.16 | Pander | route: SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 16:26.31 | Pander | after changes gateway in interfaces to .1.1 and network restart |
| 16:26.34 | tordo | the ip of the desktop USB interface! |
| 16:26.41 | tordo | not the network router |
| 16:26.57 | tordo | since your desktop will be acting as a router for the freerunner |
| 16:27.49 | jopk | hi |
| 16:28.13 | jopk | how do get the best video results on the freerunner? |
| 16:28.31 | tordo | Pander: but i have to go reallifing now :( |
| 16:28.33 | tordo | good luck! |
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| 16:29.31 | Pander | thanks so far |
| 16:30.36 | jopk | i mean best framerate/best resolution |
| 16:31.07 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.09 | Pander | Kernel IP routing table |
| 16:31.11 | Pander | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 16:31.12 | Pander | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 16:31.14 | Pander | default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
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| 16:33.51 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re9604342da10 10/html/index.html: more formatting |
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| 16:39.48 | frankS2 | in SHR is it usual that "dialer" "messages" etc fails in open? crashes |
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| 16:47.09 | brian__ | no its not |
| 16:48.09 | brian__ | try the russian-shr it works real good |
| 16:48.42 | brian__ | with the latest kernel from 2008.12 |
| 16:49.20 | brian__ | it liiks like a fdom-shr |
| 16:49.48 | brian__ | good english keyboard with a black background |
| 16:50.19 | brian__ | also has russian keyboard |
| 16:51.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r97bccd7dc342 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: fix bug in WaitDBus w/ timeouts |
| 16:51.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd724ab14eb6 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: use timeout_add_seconds to save energy |
| 16:51.19 | brian__ | i tried the .28 kernel an it worked but i had no sound |
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| 16:52.18 | brian__ | this time next year will be astronomical |
| 16:52.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf3f5069187ff 10/tests/sim.py: |
| 16:52.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: tests/sim: wait for ReadyStatus signal when a SIMBusy error is raised |
| 16:52.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Otherwise the test was failing every time the SIM was not ready at startup. |
| 16:52.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: The solution here assumes that after we receive a ReadyStatus, then we can't get |
| 16:52.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: an other SIMBusy error for the next call. |
| 16:54.08 | brian__ | and i tried the stable unstable kernel from shr 1-6 -2009 an it didnt work seems weird |
| 16:55.18 | brian__ | so i ended up with a 2008.12 stock kernrl with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 16:57.05 | brian__ | haha i read that wrong |
| 16:57.24 | brian__ | it is 2008.12 not shr ha haaaa |
| 16:57.46 | brian__ | my forehead hurts |
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| 17:00.08 | jopk | I've seen somewhere that you can use names for ip-addresses, like "ssh root@freerunner" instead of "root@192.168.0.202" . how can I do this? |
| 17:00.26 | rooly | thats called dns |
| 17:00.42 | SpeedEvil | echo 192.168.0.202 freerunner >>/etc/hosts |
| 17:00.44 | rooly | and it would require your freerunner to have a network hostname |
| 17:00.45 | frankS2 | damnit om .12 is usable but sloooooooow - SHR is fast but unusable |
| 17:00.45 | frankS2 | lol |
| 17:01.33 | rooly | and SpeedEvil knows how to do that |
| 17:02.30 | Pander | strange this is that dillo can surf to aa.bb |
| 17:04.59 | brian__ | dave is controlling panders freerunner |
| 17:05.47 | Pander | should I be happy for that? ;) |
| 17:06.32 | Pander | I can do pings now but still I get signature check failed when i do opkg update |
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| 17:24.57 | Dave | Brian! |
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| 17:25.46 | PBeck | hallöle :) |
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| 17:49.20 | eolson | ha, i must have fallen asleep reading this channel last night, I see thousands of semicolons in the chat window |
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| 17:55.05 | jack_ | Hi guys. I've had a neo freerunner for about 4-5 months now and still haven't been able to use it. I was wondering if someone could help me connect to it. I'm using Ubuntu a at the moment and have the neo attached via USB. I can't seem to connect to it |
| 17:56.56 | bipak_ | does ubuntu bring up a network device when pluggin in the neo? |
| 17:57.21 | Dave | if you set it up to do so :) |
| 17:57.23 | Defiant- | jack_: you followed the howto in te wiki? |
| 17:57.24 | jack_ | usb0 comes up in ifconfig |
| 17:57.25 | Dave | see hotplug |
| 17:57.55 | bipak_ | yea, what about Defiant- question? |
| 17:57.56 | bipak_ | :) |
| 17:57.57 | toggles_w | only sees coldplugs today |
| 17:58.11 | bipak_ | i assumed that you already tried the wiki howto |
| 17:58.35 | jack_ | Defiant-: I did but it's a bit confusing. I don't really understand the commands and it looks to me like there may be mistakes in the ipaddresses in the wiki instructions. I'm not sure what commands to type into the computer and which to type into the new |
| 17:58.39 | jack_ | *neo |
| 17:59.07 | bipak_ | you shouldn need to type ianything into the neo |
| 17:59.29 | jack_ | When I try to ssh into the new the bland password doesn't work |
| 18:00.01 | bipak_ | run this on your pc |
| 18:00.08 | jack_ | ok |
| 18:00.11 | bipak_ | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:00.21 | jack_ | .200 being my ipaddress? |
| 18:00.24 | bipak_ | after that ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 18:00.28 | bipak_ | should work |
| 18:00.33 | Defiant- | jack_: .200 is ubuntu |
| 18:01.04 | jack_ | my actual ip is in a different range altogether, so should I use my actual ip?: |
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| 18:01.28 | eolson | Actually: ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 18:01.36 | eolson | in case you're not root |
| 18:01.40 | bipak_ | right |
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| 18:02.21 | bipak_ | maybe you need to create a route entry to the neo in your routing table? |
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| 18:03.44 | jack_ | Ah, ok I'm in now :) I was putting in my actuall IP address instead of .200. So with that command I'm basically setting my UBUNTU USB ipaddress, right? |
| 18:04.05 | Defiant- | yes |
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| 18:04.32 | jack_ | Thanks very much guys |
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| 18:06.04 | bipak_ | its astonishing that you never logged in into you neo within 5month :) |
| 18:06.17 | bipak_ | what did you do all the time with this device? |
| 18:08.36 | jack_ | I just left it in the drawer. I only had a mac at home you see, and USB networking has issues with the Mac. I could only try to mess around with it when I had spare time at work |
| 18:08.52 | jack_ | Which is now, I'm staying late just to try get it going :) |
| 18:09.23 | bipak_ | hehe, so you can tell your boss you did a lot of extra hours |
| 18:09.50 | jack_ | ha, I wish |
| 18:10.12 | jack_ | had it for months but only really tried it an few hours here and there |
| 18:10.42 | jack_ | Kept meaning to set up a linux box at home but got tired waiting |
| 18:10.42 | bipak_ | well, i would say its a good time to start |
| 18:10.45 | bipak_ | its quite well working now |
| 18:10.52 | jack_ | So an opkg update fails to download the packages. Is there something else I have to do |
| 18:11.11 | toggles_w | jack_: ubuntu livecd? |
| 18:11.22 | bipak_ | yes you need to set up your ubuntu as gateway |
| 18:12.49 | jack_ | toggles_w: on a Macbook? hmmm... didn't think of that. Was trying to set up a VM but didn't have enough space left on the drive |
| 18:13.15 | jack_ | bipak_: from within the neo, right? |
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| 18:14.21 | bipak_ | yes you need to tell the neo what it should use as gateway. but your ubuntu needs to set up as gateway as well with iptables. search for NAT or something |
| 18:14.22 | gfather | hello guys |
| 18:14.32 | gfather | anyone can send me om boot log |
| 18:14.33 | bipak_ | the wiki should have some good infnos about that |
| 18:14.52 | jack_ | ok, thanks again guys. |
| 18:15.09 | bipak_ | jack_: its the harder part btw. ;) |
| 18:15.51 | jack_ | bipak_: Sorry, which is? The gateway setup? |
| 18:16.46 | bipak_ | yes to turn your ubuntu into a gateway |
| 18:17.06 | jack_ | If I could just connect over wifi I could use my mac at home. Is this possible? |
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| 18:17.46 | bipak_ | yes |
| 18:18.45 | bipak_ | i do it the same way |
| 18:18.52 | bipak_ | use my wifi router as gateway |
| 18:19.07 | jack_ | cool |
| 18:19.39 | jack_ | Someone told me before I have to enable wifi from within the device. But it says it's on in the main status screen |
| 18:20.08 | bipak_ | depends on which distro you are using |
| 18:20.36 | bipak_ | wiki has a lot of info about wifi |
| 18:21.07 | jack_ | I don't have the box with me. Is there a command to check the version. The wiki says it's written on the box |
| 18:21.47 | bipak_ | if you haven't updated you neo yet it propably 2007.X |
| 18:21.51 | bipak_ | thats ooooold |
| 18:21.51 | bipak_ | :) |
| 18:22.04 | bipak_ | you = your |
| 18:22.21 | jack_ | feeling old myself with this thing :) |
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| 18:22.39 | bipak_ | :) |
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| 18:23.46 | AntonTakk | jack_: ui mostly orange? |
| 18:24.34 | Dave | :O |
| 18:24.42 | AntonTakk | hey dave |
| 18:26.15 | jack_ | AntonTakk: black with orange icons |
| 18:26.46 | AntonTakk | jack_: that is 2007.x distro - no longer developed or supported |
| 18:27.26 | AntonTakk | works fine for some people, others have trouble with it |
| 18:27.27 | bipak_ | jack_: if you want to be up to date you should register to the om mailing lists |
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| 18:27.56 | AntonTakk | or just hit the news section of the wiki main page about once/day |
| 18:29.13 | bipak_ | yes, or read the community updates every week |
| 18:29.35 | jack_ | Ah, thanks. I'll sign up to the list. My repo in /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf is pointing to http://buildhost.openmoko.org so I guess that means it's old and has to be changed to something like Angstrom? |
| 18:30.04 | bipak_ | you should flash OM2008.12 onto it |
| 18:30.25 | bipak_ | download the jffs file and the kernel and flash it via USB |
| 18:30.28 | bipak_ | its easy |
| 18:30.52 | bipak_ | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 18:31.40 | jack_ | That sounds scary man |
| 18:31.45 | jack_ | I guess I'd better do it now though before I go home |
| 18:32.20 | bipak_ | its not risky though |
| 18:34.02 | jack_ | ok, I'm giong for it.... |
| 18:34.18 | bipak_ | good luck ;) |
| 18:36.10 | jack_ | so I'm only updating the kernel? |
| 18:36.32 | brian__ | then the rootfs |
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| 18:36.47 | brian__ | after the kernel |
| 18:37.27 | bipak_ | hm does the order really matter? |
| 18:37.27 | jack_ | Do you know how long this should take? |
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| 18:37.54 | bipak_ | flashing the rootfs might take about 10minutes i would say |
| 18:38.16 | jack_ | do I need the debug board? |
| 18:38.22 | bipak_ | noo |
| 18:38.34 | bipak_ | only the usbcable |
| 18:38.41 | jack_ | Anyone want to buy a Neo? |
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| 18:38.46 | toggles_w | LOL |
| 18:38.46 | jack_ | :) |
| 18:38.47 | bipak_ | lol |
| 18:38.56 | toggles_w | jack_: i' |
| 18:39.08 | toggles_w | jack_: i'll buy it if you can get it to make a phone call |
| 18:39.11 | toggles_w | hows that for a deal? |
| 18:39.16 | bipak_ | lool |
| 18:39.24 | jack_ | cool :) |
| 18:39.59 | bipak_ | you wont sell it if you got 2008.12 running ;) |
| 18:40.10 | brian__ | may take 20 minuits |
| 18:40.10 | toggles_w | that good eh? |
| 18:40.33 | bipak_ | well its usable as a phone now |
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| 18:40.35 | bipak_ | ;) |
| 18:40.57 | jack_ | Tell you what guys. I'll go home and try it in a more relaxed environment. I'm hungry and impatient at the mo so I'd only be annoying you with questions. I'll have a good read of the wiki and give it a go then. Cheers for the help |
| 18:40.59 | toggles_w | hmm.. might have to try it |
| 18:41.45 | bipak_ | jack_: hehe, yeah good decision |
| 18:41.51 | brian__ | an if u want a bunch of working applications flash this rootfs its 2008.12 also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 18:42.30 | jack_ | ok brian__ I'll give it a go. Talk to you guys later. Take care |
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| 18:43.24 | bipak_ | brian__: oh cool, he got the qwerty button in the asu theme |
| 18:43.31 | bipak_ | jack_: cu |
| 18:46.05 | jack_ | quit |
| 18:46.08 | jack_ | exit |
| 18:46.11 | jack_ | hmmm |
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| 19:07.57 | StOrM_NW | where can i find the ipkg file for mplayer ... to use on openmoko? |
| 19:08.44 | StOrM_NW | i tryed to opkg install mplayer ... but it seems that there s no mplayer at om 2008.8 repository |
| 19:09.29 | StOrM_NW | any help really appreciate |
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| 19:12.38 | mick_laptop | anyone working on adding authentication (like on bootup and wake from suspend)? |
| 19:12.52 | Dave | I seriously seriously doubt it. |
| 19:13.04 | Dave | people are still working on just the suspend/resume, I believe :P |
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| 19:16.12 | pcfe | speaking of flashing, where does the warning about x86_64 nd dfu-util come from? I have now done about half a dozen successful flashes with the 32 bit dfu-util on a x86_64 Fedora 10. (the half dozen comes mainly from backing up mu SHR-testing, trying another image and then flashing my backup of SHR back) |
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| 19:27.08 | brian__ | why dont everybody drop mp3 an just go with ogg |
| 19:27.48 | DocScruntinizer2 | pcfe: so update the wiki on that! |
| 19:28.48 | CVirus | brian__: the music I listen to is not available in ogg |
| 19:28.49 | pcfe | DocScruntinizer2: ofc, the question was more geared at trying to find where the original warning came from |
| 19:29.38 | mick_laptop | because mainstream media doesn't care about formats? |
| 19:29.41 | brian__ | mpg123? |
| 19:29.42 | DocScruntinizer2 | well, probably once the have been problems? |
| 19:30.17 | mick_laptop | hmm, playing music from the openmoko --- i think i might try that |
| 19:32.21 | pcfe | DocScruntinizer2: update done |
| 19:32.30 | DocScruntinizer2 | great |
| 19:34.43 | pcfe | is there an RFC or other standard that describes that USB ethernet gadgets are allowed to just pull out a MAC address out of thin air? |
| 19:35.50 | pcfe | as the changing MAC and NetworklManagr do not agree and nowadays NM is seemingly used on every distro I'd like to know if I need to concentrate on teaching the FR to always use the same MAC or on getting NM to accept the facty that USB ethernet gadgets just have changing MACs |
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| 19:38.07 | ezekiel-v3 | pcfe: I can't imagine why a USB ethernet chipset would have a different RFC than "normal" ethernet chipsets. |
| 19:38.32 | mwester | pcfe: you can set the desired mac address from the boot command line in uboot. NBD. |
| 19:38.35 | pcfe | ezekiel-v3: that is my thinking too, but wth does it just make up MAC adrdesses then |
| 19:38.43 | pcfe | mwester: aha! |
| 19:38.43 | ezekiel-v3 | My wifi card in my laptop, for example, uses USB connectivity, but the Ethernet chipset has a MAC that remains static. |
| 19:39.05 | mwester | it makes up the address because it has no other information -- there is no assigned MAC addresses for USB, unlike ethernet chips. |
| 19:39.36 | ezekiel-v3 | USB is just a connectivity method, like PCI, the ethernet chipset itsself would contain the MAC, no? |
| 19:40.18 | ezekiel-v3 | ohhh, I see what's happening. There is no ethernet chipset involved |
| 19:40.35 | brian__ | an no hard coded mac |
| 19:40.37 | mwester | ezekiel-v3: there is no ethernet chipset, though. |
| 19:40.44 | ezekiel-v3 | I was mislead by pcfe's comment "USB ethernet gadgets" |
| 19:40.48 | mjr | the neo has a changing mac just because it's an implementation detail of the driver |
| 19:41.11 | mjr | (and yes there's a spec to create random macs if you lack a "real" allocated one) |
| 19:41.16 | ezekiel-v3 | it's just the linux kernel's implementation of ethernet over usb, it makes sense now. |
| 19:41.49 | mjr | and yes the driver should have an option to set the mac visible to the usb host, iirc it didn't but not sure |
| 19:42.21 | pcfe | mjr: if you could point me at that spec, that would be rather useful |
| 19:42.40 | mwester | It would be nice, however, if the "random" one would have a pattern based on the real one assigned to the bluetooth or the wifi, however --- but the last discussion on that which I saw had some concern expressed over that making hacking of the phone easier. |
| 19:43.02 | brian__ | lol |
| 19:43.17 | brian__ | or spoofing |
| 19:43.17 | mjr | you could set it deterministically from the bt mac (or use the same one, even, since they're different media) |
| 19:44.20 | pcfe | well, if changing MAC is allowed in this case, then I will just fix the desktop side, the udev rule in the wiki looks sane |
| 19:45.10 | mjr | Basically you can swap b2 of the first octet of the MAC from 0 to 1 to get a locally administered MAC from say, the BT one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address |
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| 19:52.49 | pcfe | mjr: OK, that gives some reading. Will fiddle with this over w-e |
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| 19:57.14 | spaetz | damn, I removed the preferences gadget from the SHR top shelf |
| 19:57.24 | spaetz | how do I get it back? |
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| 20:01.54 | spaetz | ah, blowing away the ~/.e dir fixed it |
| 20:08.12 | Dave | hew yeh |
| 20:08.19 | Dave | just gotta drop some e |
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| 21:21.22 | lumpy-sonofchewy | is there a projected release date for SHR? |
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| 21:28.57 | jonsmith1982 | you need to change /etc/defaults/dropbear or something like that |
| 21:29.33 | jonsmith1982 | change the the ip address it binds to 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 21:29.42 | jonsmith1982 | then restart sshd |
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| 21:35.41 | sonic | Hi people. Anyone here use a Mac with their OM? |
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| 22:04.32 | sonic | My screen brightness just went really low. Anyone seen this before. I've been running OM2008.9 for about 7 minutes. |
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| 22:21.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I get Qt4 on SHR? |
| 22:29.20 | balrog-kun | for a moment thought Quake IV |
| 22:30.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope, just the boring ol' Qt toolkit. |
| 22:31.09 | Digital_Pioneer | (Which is obviously the best toolkit, especially considering KDE uses it) |
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| 22:32.59 | balrog-kun | nothing compares to Motif |
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| 23:10.14 | peppertarts | Hi all. I'm trying to figure out whether the framework handles operator messages e.g. current balance. |
| 23:10.19 | peppertarts | When I send 'ATD*#10#;\r\n' I get a response but I'm unsure as to what it is. Should I expect the response to be unicode? |
| 23:14.24 | DocScruntinizer2 | oioioi, peppertarts. Ask mickeyl, or alphaone, or shoragan. That's a tricky topic |
| 23:16.49 | mickey|bbl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.html;hb=HEAD#SendUssdRequest |
| 23:16.54 | mickey|bbl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.html;hb=HEAD#IncomingUssd |
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| 23:20.53 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2aecfc534145 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ogpsd: fix typo in header |
| 23:20.59 | peppertarts | Excellent :-) Thanks, just what I was looking for. |
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