| 00:02.02 | jokerfox | is there a graphical system for configure sound in asu? |
| 00:02.12 | zem_ | cu |
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| 01:38.18 | quatrox1 | how can I set the GPRS baud rate? |
| 01:38.28 | quatrox1 | in SHR |
| 01:38.40 | lindi- | quatrox1: what's that? |
| 01:39.07 | lindi- | quatrox1: gprs will dynamically allocate time slots it needs |
| 01:39.56 | quatrox1 | lindi-: I got some problems with GPRS and would like to try a slower baud rate just to help figuring out what is wrong |
| 01:40.18 | lindi- | there is really no such thing |
| 01:40.50 | quatrox1 | ps aux|grep 115200 |
| 01:41.13 | quatrox1 | then you see that GPRS is connected with 115200 baud |
| 01:41.26 | lindi- | does not return anything |
| 01:41.39 | quatrox1 | gsm0710muxd supports several baud rates |
| 01:41.41 | lindi- | and it'd be the baudrate between the ARM processor and the GSM chip |
| 01:41.59 | quatrox1 | it does not return anything unless you are connected with GPRS |
| 01:42.14 | lindi- | ah, it tells that to pppd? |
| 01:42.22 | quatrox1 | yes |
| 01:43.04 | quatrox1 | but I don't know how to change that value unless I recompile gsm0710muxd |
| 01:43.21 | quatrox1 | because I am not familiar with the framework |
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| 01:46.22 | quatrox1 | lindi-: http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/ps_-aux_ppp_gsm |
| 01:48.01 | quatrox1 | I think it should be possible to define it somewhere |
| 01:48.30 | quatrox1 | I found one config file with the baud rate and tried to change it, but it had no effect |
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| 01:54.11 | Dave | quatrox! |
| 01:54.28 | quatrox1 | Hei Dave |
| 01:54.37 | Dave | hei :] |
| 01:54.46 | Dave | styra me? |
| 01:56.09 | quatrox1 | leker med GPRS |
| 01:56.17 | quatrox1 | saa forsvinner straks |
| 02:00.26 | Dave | ah :\ |
| 02:01.00 | quatrox1 | Dave: bruker du SHR? |
| 02:01.04 | Dave | ja |
| 02:01.19 | quatrox1 | er du glad i dbus? |
| 02:01.59 | Dave | no :( |
| 02:02.28 | quatrox1 | jeg synes det er forvirrende... den skjuler ting som kunne vaert spennende aa leke med |
| 02:06.22 | Dave | ja... ~_~ |
| 02:06.37 | Dave | mokoskit :[ |
| 02:07.38 | quatrox1 | Dave: do you know exactly how /usr/sbin/pppd gets launched? |
| 02:07.57 | Dave | hmmm |
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| 02:12.04 | quatrox1 | Dave: http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/ps_-aux_ppp_gsm |
| 02:12.25 | quatrox1 | would be nice to be able to change the baud rate |
| 02:12.51 | Dave | :o) |
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| 02:51.55 | quatrox | #openmoko-cdevel |
| 02:52.03 | quatrox | sorry |
| 03:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | gurugentoo: raster has already done a replacement for cron :-) |
| 03:02.38 | rooly | no |
| 03:05.22 | Dave | rooly :) |
| 03:05.31 | rooly | yo yo yo |
| 03:05.56 | rooly | installed qtopia again so for to use the bluetooth capabilities and the gprs configurator |
| 03:06.04 | rooly | but...qtopia can't seem to pair with my keyboard |
| 03:06.12 | rooly | so it looks like i'll be going back to asu |
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| 03:11.47 | rooly | especially since om just got a new gprs settings app |
| 03:12.52 | gurugentoo | gurugentoo: thx |
| 03:12.56 | gurugentoo | er |
| 03:13.03 | gurugentoo | DocScrutinizer: thx |
| 03:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | raster: could you elaborate? |
| 03:14.43 | raster | not now |
| 03:14.44 | raster | lunch |
| 03:14.45 | raster | bbl |
| 03:14.46 | raster | :) |
| 03:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | away to take a deep breath |
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| 03:24.04 | Dave | assy |
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| 03:27.56 | rooly | is gonna test out using his new bt keyboard and get used to it on here first |
| 03:32.19 | Dave | good stuff :) |
| 03:32.25 | Dave | rooly, is it tiny? |
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| 03:32.37 | rooly | igo ultraslikm |
| 03:32.39 | rooly | so..yeah |
| 03:32.43 | rooly | woops, lemme type on it |
| 03:32.55 | rooly | the slashes are placed rather awkwardly |
| 03:33.09 | rooly | but other than that, its quite nice to type on |
| 03:33.38 | rooly | would obviously work best on a table or some other solid place, but its got its own quite solid base so thats not a big dea |
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| 03:41.11 | Dave | oooh |
| 03:41.27 | Dave | sounds nice rooly |
| 03:41.37 | Dave | I've been looking for a nice one, but they're hard to find |
| 03:41.46 | rooly | i would definitely recomend it |
| 03:41.48 | Dave | also I'd be more inclined to purchase one that works! |
| 03:41.51 | Dave | :) |
| 03:41.53 | rooly | however, it doesn't seem to pair properly with qtopia |
| 03:42.09 | rooly | but people tell me the script in the wiki makes it work with pretty much to problem |
| 03:42.11 | Dave | hmm |
| 03:42.46 | rooly | no |
| 03:42.47 | rooly | * |
| 03:44.25 | rooly | to->no |
| 03:44.26 | rooly | nvm |
| 03:44.28 | rooly | you get it |
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| 04:01.38 | Dave | Yeah I did :p |
| 04:02.15 | rooly | is reinstalling asu... |
| 04:02.32 | rooly | why is my laptop's dfu-util so slow |
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| 04:20.50 | brian__ | what is BTgps anyways? |
| 04:23.45 | brian__ | does something show peers in the area or something? |
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| 05:25.54 | brian__ | i have the .28 kernel installed on the shr -russia |
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| 05:30.01 | brian__ | no sound but the dialer calls out |
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| 05:33.01 | brian__ | would opkg install the kernel nicely so the sound works? |
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| 05:36.53 | brian__ | i hope that 111.4 meg rootfs is a go |
| 05:40.57 | raster | gta02 has 256m flash |
| 05:41.02 | raster | so as long as its less than 250m |
| 05:41.04 | raster | no probs |
| 05:41.37 | brian__ | wonder what took up that much spach |
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| 05:43.14 | raster | yo momma |
| 05:44.59 | brian__ | raster if i used thar .28 kernel on shr what problems with alsa-sound could bother me? |
| 05:45.13 | brian__ | its the russia -shr |
| 05:45.28 | brian__ | or whoever those guys are |
| 05:45.57 | brian__ | :) |
| 05:47.28 | brian__ | it has the keyboard i wanted installed by default:) |
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| 05:48.03 | raster | no idea |
| 05:48.09 | brian__ | everything worked to |
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| 05:55.24 | gurugentoo | alright, which toolchain should I use for building an app? the toolchain page on the wiki is not working, or it's not doing what I was expecting at least, is there a newer page I should look at? |
| 05:55.56 | raster | oh bollocks |
| 05:56.03 | gurugentoo | :-) |
| 05:56.05 | raster | angstom is majorly b0rked on gta02 |
| 05:56.56 | gurugentoo | raster: tried to updat after adding the feed I'm guessing? |
| 05:57.15 | raster | i'm building my own images frolm oe upstream |
| 05:57.28 | gurugentoo | ah |
| 05:57.29 | raster | i rebased distro off angstrom so beagleboard support was there |
| 05:57.36 | raster | but its borked for several other platforms |
| 05:57.42 | raster | like gta02 |
| 05:57.53 | raster | and even zaurus and palmt650 is partly borked |
| 05:58.15 | raster | i also need to get a build for my overo now |
| 06:01.01 | gurugentoo | is MokoMakefile still the normal way to build a toolchain? |
| 06:02.37 | raster | i go direct from oe |
| 06:03.09 | gurugentoo | ok |
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| 06:50.53 | gecco | good morning |
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| 06:58.35 | rawtatoor | raster: emdebian is the solution for platform problems |
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| 07:02.12 | raster | rawtatoor: giggle. um.. yeah.. sure... let me know when it actuallyu is of a size that can fit into flash |
| 07:02.33 | raster | and has a comprehensive multi-target cross-compile setup |
| 07:02.52 | raster | so i can build for beagleboard, overo, gta02, zaurus, n800 and treo650 |
| 07:02.56 | raster | as well as a nuch of other |
| 07:02.59 | raster | others |
| 07:04.20 | rawtatoor | debian is so much better *whine* than opkg crap |
| 07:06.24 | raster | i dont much care |
| 07:06.26 | raster | opkg works |
| 07:06.34 | raster | debian does not |
| 07:06.40 | Ainulindale | (haha) |
| 07:08.07 | raster | debian is so big the base cant even be flashed |
| 07:08.25 | raster | its close to to double the flash available on my freerunner and omap3530 and omap3503 boards |
| 07:08.37 | raster | it doesnt support all my dev targets |
| 07:08.42 | raster | i use ubuntu as a desktop |
| 07:08.48 | rawtatoor | anyway I don't know what you mean, embebian images are 10 megs bare bones |
| 07:08.49 | raster | so dont think i am some debian hater |
| 07:09.07 | raster | rawtatoor: debian port for freerunner is about 400m |
| 07:09.23 | raster | anyway |
| 07:09.25 | raster | dinner time |
| 07:09.25 | raster | :) |
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| 07:10.32 | rawtatoor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.15 | rawtatoor | 9.9M 2008-12-19 14:20 sshfs/war/emdebian-simple-arm.tgz |
| 07:11.21 | rawtatoor | so fat |
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| 07:35.28 | rawtatoor | check this out: http://ftfa.us/Verona-twilight-1-1-09.jpg |
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| 07:55.28 | gurugentoo | rawtatoor: is that a single exposure or a stitched panorama? |
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| 08:07.04 | rawtatoor | stitched panorama |
| 08:10.06 | gurugentoo | nice |
| 08:12.34 | rawtatoor | neat software. it's for windows but runs under wine ok |
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| 08:47.33 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:54.30 | acathla | Is there someone working at Openmoko here? |
| 08:54.43 | acathla | I can't reach them |
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| 09:07.16 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 09:35.12 | Sargun | Anyone home? |
| 09:35.22 | Sargun | I'm fucking bored |
| 09:35.50 | mirko-paroli | hi, sounds nice |
| 09:36.51 | Ainulindale | Sargun: you know what to do, git clone on shr-project and start to help :-p |
| 09:37.01 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 09:37.09 | Sargun | lol |
| 09:37.15 | mirko-paroli | i offer a git clone on paroli |
| 09:37.20 | Sargun | Who here rides public transportation? |
| 09:37.41 | CVirus | I do |
| 09:37.48 | henk | i do, but not atm... |
| 09:37.58 | henk | moin |
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| 09:38.15 | Sargun | I have an idea, a media broadcasting system for trains/buses, much like airplanes, but with a few key difference |
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| 09:38.35 | Sargun | A) People have to provide their own frontends (iPhone, Laptop, etc...) |
| 09:38.37 | Ainulindale | Sargun: do these key differences imply p0rn? |
| 09:38.48 | Sargun | B) Content will be "Cheap" or free.. |
| 09:38.53 | Sargun | C) Content will be shorter |
| 09:39.01 | Ainulindale | Sargun: so you mean usenet but in airplanes? :-) |
| 09:39.07 | Sargun | Ainulindale, in rail. |
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| 09:39.59 | Sargun | As a first rev, just stick a simple WiFi access point in a train car, and put a bunch of podcasts on a NAS connected to it |
| 09:40.03 | Sargun | make a nice looking interface |
| 09:40.20 | Sargun | The idea is podcasts, shows, live TV (tearing data off DVB) |
| 09:40.31 | acathla | hi |
| 09:40.36 | Sargun | (or sat) |
| 09:40.40 | Sargun | acathla, hey, how are you |
| 09:40.41 | acathla | Is there someone working at Openmoko here? I can't reach them |
| 09:40.44 | Sargun | What do you guys think? |
| 09:40.48 | Sargun | acathla, What do you need? |
| 09:40.56 | acathla | an intern =) |
| 09:41.05 | Sargun | you want to intern for OM? |
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| 09:41.21 | acathla | it would be the perfect internship (in electronics) |
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| 09:41.23 | Ainulindale | an intern or an internship? |
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| 09:41.35 | acathla | it's the same |
| 09:41.42 | acathla | it's not? |
| 09:41.55 | Ainulindale | An intern is a person, an internship is what does an intern |
| 09:42.06 | Ainulindale | But as I'm not a native english speaker, it's just my opinion |
| 09:42.09 | Sargun | acathla, is english your first language? |
| 09:42.11 | Sargun | acathla, Are you in .tw? |
| 09:42.12 | acathla | i need an internship |
| 09:42.23 | Sargun | acathla, what location |
| 09:42.23 | acathla | of course english is not my first language =) |
| 09:42.26 | Sargun | Ainulindale is correct. |
| 09:42.30 | acathla | i'm in France |
| 09:42.31 | Sargun | acathla, where are you located? |
| 09:42.33 | Sargun | ah. |
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| 09:42.42 | Sargun | oh, you should harass Ainulindale, he's in france too. |
| 09:42.50 | acathla | =) |
| 09:43.15 | Sargun | acathla, Anyways, I'm sure OM, Inc. would be open to getting an intern, but I'm also sure they'd like someone in .tw |
| 09:43.19 | Ainulindale | No I'm not. I'm, well... not there. :-> |
| 09:43.29 | acathla | Ainulindale, an intern can be the person or what he's doing, I think I checks that on wikipedia or another dict |
| 09:43.29 | Ainulindale | In fact I'm going to flee now =) |
| 09:43.38 | Sargun | hahah |
| 09:44.15 | mirko-paroli | hej acathla |
| 09:44.20 | acathla | Sargun, they hired guys from different countries already |
| 09:44.26 | Sargun | acathla, for software primarily |
| 09:44.31 | acathla | yes |
| 09:44.32 | Ainulindale | acathla: not according to my dictionnary |
| 09:44.38 | Sargun | or for a very specific hardware activity |
| 09:44.41 | Ainulindale | (it's ugly, but first result: http://www.docguide.com/dgc.nsf/html/english-dictionnary.htm) |
| 09:44.43 | Sargun | acathla, Ainulindale is correct. |
| 09:44.59 | Ainulindale | Sargun: I'm often correct these days, I don't know what got into me |
| 09:45.03 | Sargun | Interns are people, like employees, and internships are positions.. |
| 09:45.09 | Ainulindale | Maybe that's the benefit when you grow old |
| 09:45.10 | Sargun | Ainulindale, Don't get to full of yourself. :-P |
| 09:45.20 | Ainulindale | Sargun: Oh, I don't, I'm still a lazy pain in the ass |
| 09:45.45 | acathla | Sargun, I know, but internship can be shorten to intern |
| 09:45.57 | Sargun | acathla, no, it cannot |
| 09:46.00 | acathla | but I should say: i want to DO an intern |
| 09:46.02 | Ainulindale | Never heard about that acathla. |
| 09:46.08 | acathla | really? |
| 09:46.13 | acathla | let me check =) |
| 09:46.14 | Ainulindale | acathla: if you want to do an intern, should it be a girl or a boy? |
| 09:46.18 | Sargun | "Do an intern" makes you sound like a gay US senator. |
| 09:46.24 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 09:46.27 | Sargun | Are you larry craig? |
| 09:46.28 | Ainulindale | Sargun: kindred spirit o/ |
| 09:46.38 | mirko-paroli | acathla what do you want to do during your internship? |
| 09:46.58 | Sargun | mirko-paroli, other interns apparently. |
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| 09:47.10 | mirko-paroli | @sargun LOL |
| 09:47.25 | mirko-paroli | @sargun and if there is only one? ok, let's close the door on that |
| 09:47.40 | acathla | haha ok, i won't do an intern |
| 09:47.54 | acathla | mirko-paroli, anything related to electronics |
| 09:47.59 | jipey | that' pitty |
| 09:48.12 | mirko-paroli | acathla, design? building? constructing? |
| 09:48.12 | jipey | acathla: I was prepared as an intern :) |
| 09:48.31 | acathla | I studied computer science and worked a bit already but now i'm doing a master in electronics |
| 09:48.35 | Ainulindale | acathla: if you're in paris there are internship at Télécom ParisTech (my former school) |
| 09:48.44 | Ainulindale | it's supposed to be one of the top schools in electronics engineering |
| 09:48.59 | Ainulindale | (my 2 cents) |
| 09:49.06 | Sargun | acathla, Fix #1024. |
| 09:49.34 | acathla | of course Ainulindale but, I prefere industry... |
| 09:49.56 | acathla | Sargun, what? |
| 09:49.58 | Sargun | acathla, Do you need a formal internship? |
| 09:50.00 | Sargun | acathla, bug #1024 |
| 09:50.26 | acathla | you mean an official internship? yes |
| 09:50.47 | acathla | what that bug #1024? |
| 09:51.20 | Sargun | why an official internship |
| 09:51.23 | Sargun | and, nevermind, it's ok |
| 09:51.56 | acathla | i'm doing a master, and I need an internship to finish it |
| 09:52.06 | acathla | 6 month |
| 09:52.16 | Sargun | oh |
| 09:52.34 | Sargun | acathla, There isn't much electronics work you could do unless you have your own workbench... |
| 09:52.48 | Sargun | I mean, you could make #1024 your thesis... :-P |
| 09:53.11 | Sargun | What is your thesis |
| 09:53.17 | acathla | Sargun, there is no electronics projects at openmoko? |
| 09:53.44 | acathla | I don't want to do a thesis, i'm too old I won't have money for it |
| 09:53.47 | Sargun | acathla, There are, but my assumption is they'd want you in .tw |
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| 09:54.03 | Sargun | unless you provide your own tools.. |
| 09:54.10 | acathla | Of course I'll have to go to Taiwan |
| 09:54.25 | Sargun | acathla, Contact steve mosher. |
| 09:54.41 | acathla | I never thought of doing an internship from home |
| 09:54.47 | Sargun | he's marketing, but he generally knows where do send people. |
| 09:54.51 | acathla | steve@openmoko.com? |
| 09:54.54 | acathla | oups |
| 09:55.06 | acathla | well it's on their website |
| 09:55.29 | Sargun | I'd hit steve + hr |
| 09:55.41 | Ainulindale | Eventually Joerg |
| 09:55.43 | acathla | I sent my resume to hr |
| 09:55.44 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: piiiiing |
| 09:56.02 | acathla | a week and a half ago |
| 09:56.24 | acathla | who's Joerg? |
| 09:56.46 | Sargun | acathla, Joerg is DocScrutinizer |
| 09:57.01 | Sargun | acathla, Send it to Steve, make your intentions very clear, he's spread thin |
| 09:57.14 | acathla | ok |
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| 10:22.55 | zogg_ | somewhen somewhere i'v seen a screenshot with an app icon that looks like a clock, or even IS a functional icon-clock... Is there such an app? |
| 10:26.07 | acathla | there is a clock on the main page of the wiki =) |
| 10:26.32 | acathla | hum, it's an animated gif |
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| 12:18.05 | zogg_ | how do i refresh application icons under illume? |
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| 12:21.21 | dns | you change the .desktop file and it detects the change and refreshes |
| 12:23.22 | zogg_ | but in case i changed the icon file itself, it wont detect that :< |
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| 12:32.21 | pooze | zogg_: perhaps you can change the icon file, then touch the .desktop file. |
| 12:32.25 | pooze | will it update then? |
| 12:34.19 | zogg_ | nnope |
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| 12:38.38 | zogg_ | adding space to the EOF does the trick |
| 12:40.20 | zogg_ | but thats temporary workaround |
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| 12:43.29 | zogg_ | what module or app looks upon .desktop files? |
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| 12:57.05 | ecraven | hello ;) are there any more recent android images than sean's? |
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| 13:01.27 | PaulFertser_ | Why android? It even doesn't have the full sources, GSM part is still closed! Screw that! |
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| 13:02.14 | ecraven | PaulFertser_: what would you suggest? none of the other distributions i tried were even remotely in a usable state |
| 13:02.38 | PaulFertser_ | SHR |
| 13:02.51 | Bish | PaulFertser_: yeah you're right :D |
| 13:03.18 | Bish | Trying to associate with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 (SSID='JLAN' freq=2462 MHz) |
| 13:03.18 | Bish | Authentication with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 timed out. |
| 13:03.23 | Bish | how do i fix this issue? |
| 13:03.31 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser_: that's flattering :-) |
| 13:03.39 | PaulFertser_ | ecraven: if you needed a working closed phone, you'd better buy nokia or whatever. |
| 13:04.41 | ecraven | i need a working open phone ;) |
| 13:04.58 | PaulFertser_ | ecraven: you'll never get that with android anyway, imho. |
| 13:05.35 | Shlee | http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/blog/ |
| 13:05.35 | ecraven | i'd like at least reliable texting and phoning (and the freerunner has the worst speech quality of any phone i ever tried, though that might be a mixer problem with all the distros i tried) |
| 13:05.37 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: have you tried maxperf setting? It solved some instablity issues for some users. |
| 13:05.50 | ecraven | i'll have another look at SHR ;) |
| 13:06.10 | Bish | PaulFertser_: i dont know this setting |
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| 13:06.54 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf |
| 13:07.15 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: what type of AP is that, what kernel are you using? |
| 13:07.32 | Bish | i think its the "unstable" shr and it's kernel |
| 13:08.14 | Bish | and i tried the ultraunstable kernel, but this didnt work either |
| 13:08.16 | lindi- | Bish: what kernrel are you using? |
| 13:08.25 | Bish | lindi-: 2.6.44 |
| 13:08.27 | Bish | .24* |
| 13:08.34 | lindi- | Bish: i'd recommend andy-tracking branch |
| 13:08.40 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: wlan changed a lot. You should be using andy-tracking to get any real results. |
| 13:08.50 | Bish | wtf |
| 13:08.56 | Bish | link? |
| 13:09.08 | lindi- | Bish: git.openmoko.org/linux-2.6 |
| 13:09.24 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: andy-tracking branch |
| 13:09.43 | Bish | is there a precompiled image for that? |
| 13:10.10 | lindi- | Bish: it is a development branch |
| 13:10.15 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: do you by any chance remember, who exactly has a problem that was solved by maxperf setting? |
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| 13:10.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: no but the bug report might have it? |
| 13:10.55 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: there's a precompiled image in OE, i think. FSO's already switched to it. |
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| 13:11.28 | Bish | PaulFertser_: but i would like to continue using SHR |
| 13:11.29 | lindi- | Bish: any precompiled image will be too old since it is changing all the time. to be able to really follow the development you need to build it yourself i'm afraid |
| 13:11.46 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: The reason i ask is that he might have missed the patch Werner prepared to try to debug this issue. I haven't seen any feedback from him, though i could catch him on IRC. |
| 13:11.56 | Bish | lindi-: hm, do i have to compile the kernel, or the full image? |
| 13:12.02 | lindi- | Bish: kernel |
| 13:12.08 | Bish | lindi-: ah i c. |
| 13:12.22 | lindi- | Bish: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kernel.txt is how i do it |
| 13:12.25 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: changes required are minimal. There even exist a patch to FSO ms4. |
| 13:13.18 | lindi- | PaulFertser_: my current trouble is audio recording. i'd very much like to experiment with push-to-talk but the audio recording bug makes it hard |
| 13:14.54 | RJ812 | GSM not work, anybody can help me? |
| 13:16.09 | lindi- | RJ812: how does it fail? |
| 13:16.38 | Bish | lindi-: i even dont have the armgcc *build* |
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| 13:17.02 | lindi- | Bish: either use a distro that provides it or build it yourself |
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| 13:17.13 | RJ812 | linkdi: not GMS signal |
| 13:17.19 | jopk | hi |
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| 13:17.30 | Bish | lindi-: im building it by myself |
| 13:17.36 | Bish | do i have to write modules.dep etc. by myself? |
| 13:17.39 | lindi- | Bish: building cross-compilers is quite when you only need the compiler and no libraies |
| 13:17.39 | SpeedEvil | http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics.html 'My views about Nokia resp. Openmoko Inc. |
| 13:17.41 | SpeedEvil | [The company's open source activities are well managed.]' |
| 13:17.45 | SpeedEvil | resp? |
| 13:17.48 | lindi- | Bish: on target? |
| 13:18.17 | RJ812 | GMS signal good on Nokia phone, but no signal on NEO :( |
| 13:18.33 | jopk | what's the difference between shr and 2008.9 ? what's same? are there apps which run only on one operation system, or should basically every app run on these os? |
| 13:18.36 | SpeedEvil | RJ812: sure you've got the right model? |
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| 13:18.51 | RJ812 | i using Om 2008.12 |
| 13:19.16 | PaulFertser_ | lindi-: I know. I see your efforts at kernel bug-tracker. I think you're going to succeed soon :) |
| 13:19.35 | lindi- | RJ812: what does AT+CSQ return? |
| 13:19.47 | Bish | lindi-: target? what du mean, my hostprocessor is a amd64 |
| 13:20.08 | lindi- | Bish: i don't remember the story of modules.dep, depmod -a generated it? |
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| 13:20.24 | Bish | oh .. i c |
| 13:21.13 | RJ812 | <lindi-> RJ812: what does AT+CSQ return? <-- what is AT+CSQ, how to get it? |
| 13:21.35 | Bish | lindi-: cross-avr/gcc this would work, am i righ? |
| 13:21.55 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: no :) |
| 13:22.00 | Bish | why? |
| 13:22.10 | PaulFertser_ | You need ARM, not AVR :) |
| 13:22.36 | lindi- | RJ812: it is an AT command. you send at commands to the GSM chip |
| 13:22.42 | Bish | sorry :D i was confused, i recently compiled something for a ATMega8 :> |
| 13:23.18 | lindi- | i should manage to find time to play with my AVR too :P |
| 13:23.21 | Bish | hm, so where do i find a armcompiler :> |
| 13:23.29 | lindi- | Bish: build it yourself? |
| 13:23.34 | Bish | lindi-: src? |
| 13:23.35 | RJ812 | <lindi-> RJ812: it is an AT command. you send at commands to the GSM chip <-- used dfu-util right? |
| 13:23.38 | lindi- | Bish: yeah |
| 13:23.41 | SpeedEvil | Bish: see MokoMakefile on the wiki |
| 13:23.48 | Bish | SpeedEvil: :( |
| 13:23.55 | lindi- | RJ812: nope, DFU is a protocol for uploading data over usb |
| 13:24.02 | Bish | that will take forever |
| 13:24.09 | lindi- | Bish: no need to use whole mokomakefile |
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| 13:24.24 | SpeedEvil | Bish: or there is possibly a GCC package available for the FR. Use that. |
| 13:24.31 | SpeedEvil | Bish: which may be lots easier. |
| 13:24.47 | Bish | compiling on a 400 mhz arm? |
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| 13:25.00 | RJ812 | lindi- <- how to use AT commmand? |
| 13:25.02 | lindi- | Bish: just compile gcc |
| 13:25.14 | lindi- | RJ812: you have never talked to the GSM chip before? :/ |
| 13:25.14 | SpeedEvil | Bish: 400MHz ARM is not slow. |
| 13:25.26 | SpeedEvil | Bish: it'll take most of an hour to compile the kernel, but so? |
| 13:25.35 | Bish | SpeedEvil: yeah , i know |
| 13:25.50 | Bish | lindi-: i will , do i have to use the mokomakefile for that? |
| 13:25.52 | lindi- | Bish: get binutils and gcc source and unpack them |
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| 13:26.10 | Bish | .. hm? im using gentoo, i do have gcc |
| 13:26.25 | Bish | is it able to create arm executeables? |
| 13:26.31 | Bish | & link |
| 13:26.36 | lindi- | Bish: only if you compile it to target arm |
| 13:26.47 | Bish | what about linking? |
| 13:27.01 | lindi- | Bish: that's why you compile binutils too, it has linker |
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| 13:27.17 | Bish | lindi-: yeah ld, but doesnt this only work for ~x86 binaries? |
| 13:27.23 | ecraven | hm.. SHR looks usable, how is the phone speech quality? |
| 13:27.25 | gfather[a] | hello guys |
| 13:27.34 | RJ812 | i from VN, using Vinaphone with GSM 900 |
| 13:27.45 | lindi- | Bish: when you build binutils with --target=arm-elf it only works with ARM |
| 13:28.14 | SpeedEvil | RJ812: vietnam? |
| 13:28.26 | RJ812 | ys spaetz |
| 13:28.36 | Bish | i dont get it |
| 13:28.56 | Bish | lindi-: binutils will be only working on arm, isnt it? |
| 13:29.26 | lindi- | Bish: yes |
| 13:29.38 | lindi- | Bish: that's why you install it to some other directory than / |
| 13:29.49 | lindi- | Bish: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/cross-compiler.txt should have the steps |
| 13:30.04 | Bish | lindi-: thaks lindi, im quite confused, im sorry |
| 13:30.22 | lindi- | Bish: just ask if anything is unclear |
| 13:31.58 | gfather[a] | dont ask to ask , just ask to ask :) |
| 13:32.29 | Bish | what the fuck im confused, if i build binutils with --target=arm-elf , binutils(ld, etc.) wont work on my host system, right? |
| 13:34.28 | gfather[a] | anyone would like to help porting vlc to om ? |
| 13:35.14 | ecraven | is rotating the screen in SHR supposed to work? |
| 13:36.43 | Bish | gfather[a]: ecraven yep |
| 13:37.38 | ecraven | Bish: if i rotate 180 degrees, the touchscreen input is way off, had to reboot to get it working again |
| 13:38.05 | Wonka | how do i rotate screen in SHR? |
| 13:38.11 | Bish | Wonka: settings |
| 13:38.13 | ecraven | under enlightenment settings |
| 13:38.52 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: Why don't you use cross-tools or whatever gentoo provides for cross-compiling? |
| 13:39.03 | Bish | PaulFertser_: i dont know |
| 13:39.13 | RJ812 | ho to use AT command on OM 2008.12, anybody can help me? |
| 13:39.27 | Bish | PaulFertser_: it provides crossdev |
| 13:39.31 | Bish | im so fuking confused :> |
| 13:39.48 | gfather[a] | Bish: good :) |
| 13:39.50 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml |
| 13:41.08 | Bish | okay i will read that |
| 13:42.58 | Bish | i guess gentoo on the freerunner is fun |
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| 13:47.44 | Bish | lindi-: is the kernel i just gitted from openmoko.org the same as the on @ kernel.org? |
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| 13:48.09 | lindi- | Bish: you install the new binutils to a different dir |
| 13:48.35 | Bish | no no.. git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 |
| 13:48.41 | Bish | is this one the same as from kernel.org? |
| 13:48.52 | sleipnir | Bish: we do gentoo on the FR |
| 13:48.52 | sleipnir | and we cross-compile the hell out of it |
| 13:48.59 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: It's not. |
| 13:49.00 | lindi- | Bish: you need to switch to andys branch |
| 13:49.19 | Bish | lindi-: i know. first of all i need a toolchain :D just answer the question please |
| 13:49.20 | lindi- | bish kernel.org has many branches to |
| 13:49.20 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: it has branches with patches that are not mainline yet. |
| 13:49.32 | Bish | yeah i know |
| 13:49.37 | RJ812 | lindi-: how to use AT command on OM 2008.12, plz help me :( |
| 13:49.38 | ecraven | something's wrong with my face, i can *either* talk into the microphone, so other people hear me, *or* bring the neo to my ear, so i can hear what they say.. i never succeed in doing both.. |
| 13:49.59 | lindi- | RJ812: it uses gsmd? |
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| 13:50.11 | sleipnir | Bish: do you have your cross-toolchain already finished? |
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| 13:50.30 | Bish | sleipnir: no sir |
| 13:50.47 | sleipnir | join #gentoo-openmoko |
| 13:51.08 | Bish | i dont want to install gentoo on my FR |
| 13:51.20 | Bish | first i need my 8 gb sdhc :> |
| 13:51.32 | sleipnir | but you want to build a toolchain in gentoo right? |
| 13:51.40 | Bish | yeeee |
| 13:51.43 | sleipnir | emerge crossdev |
| 13:51.44 | RJ812 | i use cm : gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -F and it result: Wed Feb 9 16:31:38 2000 <1> machine.c:131:gsmd_machine_plugin_init() detected 'GTA02' hardware |
| 13:51.44 | RJ812 | Wed Feb 9 16:31:38 2000 <1> machine.c:72:gsmd_machine_plugin_load() loading machine plugin "gta01" |
| 13:51.44 | RJ812 | Wed Feb 9 16:31:38 2000 <1> vendor.c:75:gsmd_vendor_plugin_load() loading vendor plugin "ti" |
| 13:51.44 | RJ812 | Wed Feb 9 16:31:38 2000 <1> machine.c:56:gsmd_machine_plugin_find() selecting machine plugin "TI Calypso / FIC firmware" |
| 13:51.45 | RJ812 | Wed Feb 9 16:31:38 2000 <1> atcmd.c:691:atcmd_drain() c_iflag = 0x00000000, c_oflag = 0x00000000, c_cflag = 0x800018b2, c_lflag = 0x00000a00 |
| 13:51.48 | RJ812 | can't open unix socket |
| 13:51.54 | sleipnir | crossdev -v --binutils 2.18-r3 --gcc 4.3.1-r1 --kernel 2.6.24 --libc 2.7-r2 --target armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
| 13:51.55 | Bish | sleipnir: i doing this right now :> |
| 13:52.17 | sleipnir | substitute the versions with what you want |
| 13:52.36 | sleipnir | Bish: and btw: you _have_ to use gcc-4.3.2-r2 |
| 13:52.46 | Bish | why? |
| 13:52.52 | sleipnir | other versions generate armv5 code for eabi |
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| 13:53.03 | Bish | !google eabi! |
| 13:53.05 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=eabi!&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi%20onclick=gbar.qs(this)%20class=gb1 | ArmEabiPort - Debian Wiki @ http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort%20class=l | Why ARM's <em>EABI</em> matters @ http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5920399313.html%20class=l |
| 13:53.18 | Bish | haha . we got a google bot in here |
| 13:53.43 | Bish | sleipnir: what does eabi stands for? |
| 13:55.48 | sleipnir | Bish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Application_Binary_Interface |
| 13:55.53 | Bish | i already googled it |
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| 13:56.54 | RJ812 | anybody can help me :( |
| 13:57.32 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: armv5 code for eabi? What other versions? I have 4.1.2 and it generates the code i ask it (including armv4). |
| 13:57.33 | sleipnir | RJ812: kernel has unix socket support? |
| 13:57.51 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: you're using a crappy distro. Why do you think there's a lot of people who understand it? |
| 13:58.16 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: Do you use Gentoo? The openmoko versions have the patch already (many other distros also) |
| 13:58.33 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: i compiled gcc from source. |
| 13:58.34 | sleipnir | gentoo only has it for this specific version |
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| 13:59.22 | pcfe | where does dropbear log to in SHR testing? |
| 13:59.37 | pcfe | Mine stopped accepting my pubkey and I want to trace the problem down |
| 13:59.55 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: are you exactly sure you're talking about gcc code generation and not about the architecture for which libgcc is built? |
| 14:00.02 | RJ812 | Linux version 2.6.24 (build@barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 17 02:13:29 CST 2008 |
| 14:00.10 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: you can check by looking up TARGET_CPU_arm10tdmi in the gcc/config/arm/linux-eabi.h file |
| 14:00.21 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: I |
| 14:01.01 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: I'm sure. If the line above is there, gcc will sometimes generate armv5 instructions for EABI |
| 14:01.21 | sleipnir | if there is a TARGET_CPU_arm9tdmi it generates armv4 |
| 14:02.56 | RJ812 | :( |
| 14:05.17 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: i have arm10tdmi there, doesn't look right, i agree. And yet the kernel compiled with it (as well as Qi) is armv4-compatible. |
| 14:06.08 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: I saw it first on glibc, but forgot for what instruction I greped |
| 14:06.17 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: /* If the user did not specify a processor, choose one for them. */ |
| 14:06.49 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: and if he did, then use what he specified. See gcc/config/arm/arm.c |
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| 14:07.51 | sleipnir | I've choosen one and did get the code. Strange... |
| 14:08.06 | sleipnir | maybe it's overwritten later? |
| 14:09.48 | RJ812 | anybody can help me for GSM issue? |
| 14:10.08 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: i even successfully built the kernel for armv4 with gcc targeted at armv5. Kernel doesn't require libgcc. Then i tried to do the same with Qi and was surprised that it didn't work. After comparing disasm listing of working and non-working Qi i saw some armv5 instructions and they were from libgcc. Therefore i rebuild the toolchain for armv4. But the only reason was libgcc. |
| 14:10.29 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: Have you ever successfully registered with FR and your SIM. Is your SIM 3G-capable? |
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| 14:11.49 | RJ812 | it good on Om 2007 but when upgrade on Om 2008.12, SIM not work, no GSM signal |
| 14:12.33 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: exactly that same SIM worked? And have you ensured good electrical contact? |
| 14:13.50 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: ok so maybe the armv5 instructions are from libgcc. However substituting the TARGET_CPU part fixed the problem. |
| 14:14.21 | RJ812 | <PaulFertser_> RJ812: exactly that same SIM worked? And have you ensured good electrical contact? <- what mean? |
| 14:14.41 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: not correct solution, it seems. I didn't and compiled the toolchain and got compatible libgcc. |
| 14:14.43 | beni | pcfe: dont know exactly, because mine sits at home, but i would suggest syslog |
| 14:14.48 | beni | and syslog is in memory |
| 14:15.36 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: good electrical contact? That means the resistance between sim contacts and sim-holder contacts is ~0 Ohm. |
| 14:16.12 | beni | as far as i know... |
| 14:16.21 | beni | there was some command to retrieve the latest contents |
| 14:17.58 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: to get compatible libgcc one needs to use --with-cpu=arm9 while compiling gcc. |
| 14:18.00 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: so what is your fix? |
| 14:18.22 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: i think compiling gcc with --with-cpu=arm9 is enough. |
| 14:18.28 | PaulFertser_ | IIRC |
| 14:19.04 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: I'm not at my host right now, but i think i have --march=arm920t or something similar |
| 14:19.22 | sleipnir | I thought it will also set the CPU |
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| 14:20.28 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: are you sure that it was supplied as a parameter while gcc compiled libgcc? I used gcc's ./configure with --with-cpu=arm9. |
| 14:21.11 | sleipnir | to be honest i don't know what gentoo's crossdev does, but maybe it's worth looking at it |
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| 14:23.20 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: thx for the hint, will check what crossdev does this evening |
| 14:23.31 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: if you didn't specify any armv4-specific parameter to crossdev, it obviously compiled gcc for armv5. I guess cross doesn't support ``multilib'' at least for ARM. I think you (gentoo folks) should investigate it, you're good at compiling ;) |
| 14:24.13 | RJ812 | PaulFertser_, i checked that it good electrical contact |
| 14:24.30 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: I specified --target armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi to crossdev, but i dunno what it does with it |
| 14:24.39 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: and it is the SIM that worked before, not another one? |
| 14:25.01 | PaulFertser_ | sleipnir: i see. Good luck then! :) |
| 14:25.12 | RJ812 | ys |
| 14:25.18 | sleipnir | PaulFertser_: thx again for the heads-up |
| 14:25.32 | RJ812 | it worked on Om 2007, but upgrade to 2008.12, it not work |
| 14:26.14 | sleipnir | RJ812: is your rootfs writable? (check with mount) |
| 14:26.33 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration |
| 14:26.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd56a275536f7 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (action.py filter.py rule.py trigger.py): |
| 14:26.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: substitute super calls with the classic method of calling parent constructors |
| 14:26.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: super is considered harmful, at least in the present implementation. DO NOT USE IT, especially |
| 14:26.40 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: not not with multiple inheritance. Trust me, it's broken! |
| 14:26.42 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r52e5614de3ce 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (action.py filter.py fso_actions.py rule.py trigger.py): oeventsd: add QueuedDBusAction and use it for all dbus methods triggered by actions |
| 14:26.46 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd871c761aca6 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: what do we do if the generator vanishes? |
| 14:26.47 | RJ812 | Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs |
| 14:27.06 | RJ812 | <sleipnir> RJ812: is your rootfs writable? (check with mount) <-- ys |
| 14:28.08 | sleipnir | hmm then no idea |
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| 14:29.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra1216dcb9db4 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Serialize dbus requests with a Queue. This (and removing a race in the RingToneAction) |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: should fix the problems with neverending vibration and audio ringtone on short calls (FSO ticket #205) |
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| 14:31.19 | pcfe | beni: good hint, you made me remember logread |
| 14:31.24 | pcfe | found the problem |
| 14:32.49 | pcfe | now to find out why /home/root belonged to 1000.1000 instead of root.root |
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| 14:46.48 | Dave | Xora! |
| 14:48.10 | RJ812 | yeah, i fixed, GSM work done :D |
| 14:48.33 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: please report what have you done and what was the problem :) |
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| 14:52.23 | PaulFertser_ | RJ813: please report what you have done and what was the problem :) |
| 14:54.01 | RJ813 | <RJ812> conflict between gsmd and qtopia-phone-x11, i removed gsmd and it work :D |
| 14:54.11 | RJ813 | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1827 |
| 14:54.12 | RJ813 | :( |
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| 14:55.56 | PaulFertser_ | RJ813: you see, crappy distribution. I told ya :p |
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| 14:58.44 | RJ813 | ys, PaulFertser_ :( |
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| 15:36.17 | brian__ | but i install the 2008.12 kernel an sound works---odd |
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| 15:49.50 | spaetz | mmh, what xserver do I need ot install in order to get the gui and elightenment etc. |
| 15:49.50 | spaetz | I am on fso-testing |
| 15:49.50 | spaetz | and it only installed the console stuff |
| 15:50.38 | henk | spaetz: illume and zhone at least... |
| 15:51.05 | henk | perhaps they pull most of the other stuff that makes sense but they should at least pull the stuff needed to run x i guess |
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| 15:51.25 | spaetz | ok. I tried Om2008.12 but that didn't even allow me to configure my WLAN or get easy access to a terminal... |
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| 15:52.43 | Dave | bipak! |
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| 15:53.42 | bipak | hu? |
| 15:53.44 | bipak | :> |
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| 15:54.41 | Dave | hei |
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| 15:55.55 | bipak | heyho :) |
| 15:56.20 | spydon | How do I get the mac-adress for eth0 on the SHR? |
| 15:56.31 | bipak | ifconfig eth0 |
| 15:56.31 | spydon | is it the same as the USB0 mac-adress? |
| 15:56.35 | henk | ifconfig |
| 15:57.04 | spydon | Ah now it told me, it didn't show eth0 with just ifconfig |
| 15:57.09 | henk | or mount /dev/mtd5 |
| 15:57.15 | spydon | thx |
| 15:57.26 | henk | spaetz: ifconfig only shows UP interfaces by default |
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| 16:09.30 | spaetz | is there anyone from FSO here? fso-testing has conflicting dependencies: |
| 16:09.56 | spaetz | enlightenment requires libssl0.9.7 but fso-testing provides only 0-9.8 |
| 16:10.20 | bipak | maybe in the openmoko-cdevel chan |
| 16:10.29 | henk | spaetz: there are. not me, but there are. |
| 16:10.38 | spaetz | bipak: will try. thanks |
| 16:11.55 | henk | spaetz: you're german, right? |
| 16:12.00 | spaetz | yep |
| 16:12.32 | henk | spaetz: mickey_away is michael lauer, leader of the fso team afaik. he is also in #neo1973-germany. |
| 16:12.59 | henk | spaetz: don't be irritated by the name, it's just the german openmoko community, so to say... |
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| 16:13.06 | spaetz | good tip. thanks, will try |
| 16:13.10 | bipak | oh there is? |
| 16:13.13 | bipak | nice |
| 16:13.14 | bipak | :) |
| 16:13.22 | henk | hehe another german... |
| 16:13.30 | bipak | the whole chan :p |
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| 16:14.05 | henk | bipak: i think i've seen your nick before. have you been in #debian.de or #linuxpaten? |
| 16:14.17 | bipak | hm nope |
| 16:14.25 | bipak | irssi or fluxbox |
| 16:15.10 | henk | hm i have been to #irssi sometimes, perhaps i've seen it there... |
| 16:15.32 | bipak | or maybe it was this chan? ;) |
| 16:15.53 | bipak | haven't been in #irssi a long time |
| 16:16.40 | henk | neither have i ;) just sometimes when i have a problem and it might well have been >5 years ago... |
| 16:17.05 | bipak | hehe. so then it was irssi *g* |
| 16:17.23 | henk | ok :) |
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| 16:18.05 | bipak | the german chan is very silent ;) |
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| 16:18.27 | bipak | hm ok 365 vs. 45 nicks |
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| 16:43.46 | Slaxxer | 2008.12 kernel works pretty good on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
| 16:44.12 | Slaxxer | .28 worked although i had no sound |
| 16:44.39 | Slaxxer | dialer worked an connected but no sound |
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| 17:17.25 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2e9f4aea09be 10/framework/resource.py: resource: status at default is "unknown" |
| 17:17.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5646c67fd1c4 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:17.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ousaged: Add config option 'sync_resources_with_lifecycle' for specifying whether all |
| 17:17.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Resources should be disabled on "startup", "shutdown", "always" (default), or "never". |
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| 17:24.05 | RJ812 | anybody can help this ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767 ? |
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| 17:25.14 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: do you know OM about future of the software stack? |
| 17:26.28 | RJ812 | no :( |
| 17:26.41 | RJ812 | i have error like this ticket :s |
| 17:27.02 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: the plan is: move to FSO and use paroli as a dialer. Drop OM2008.x |
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| 17:27.36 | PaulFertser_ | RJ812: search the archive of community mailing list, it was discussed there. |
| 17:27.57 | PaulFertser_ | I mean E crash and possible solutions were discussed there, you'll find it. |
| 17:31.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r95bdf8518f1f 10/framework/ (resource.py subsystems/ousaged/resources.py): resource: on shutdown leave resources alone, if requested |
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| 18:15.22 | gurugentoo | ok I now understand how to build my own code with oe |
| 18:15.44 | gurugentoo | bitbake is clear only if understood |
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| 18:16.54 | gurugentoo | now why did pidgin just die on me?!? |
| 18:17.13 | Tm_T | I told it to |
| 18:18.19 | gurugentoo | thanks |
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| 19:38.55 | johnsu01 | Is there some way to stop the openmoko wiki from logging me out every 10 minutes? |
| 19:39.35 | johnsu01 | I'll try the Remember Me preference I guess.. |
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| 20:31.32 | pippo_ | hallo all |
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| 20:32.05 | Tig| | 'nings |
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| 20:35.58 | pippo_ | do you know if a script in c is generally heavier in terms of powerconsumption rather then bash or python? |
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| 20:38.28 | Tig| | no idea here, I would have thought that a small C program would use less computing power than a python script if it was smaller than the python runtime. Unless the freerunner processor does power stepping and one program or the other caused a step up to use more power then there will be no difference |
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| 20:50.43 | TigZ | mutters about power issues |
| 20:51.54 | lindi- | pippo_: script in C? |
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| 20:53.12 | TigZ | lindi-, I was assuming coding and a translation difference |
| 20:55.06 | tedo | i would like to add a launcher of my application on the home screen in FDOM. anyone knows where i can put my script? |
| 20:56.31 | tedo | ah, /usr/share/application ?! |
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| 21:26.54 | zooko | Howdy folks! |
| 21:27.00 | zooko | My brother gave me an OpenMoko for Christmas. :-) |
| 21:27.08 | zooko | Here's my blog which mentions it: |
| 21:27.14 | Defiant- | zooko: I would kill him for that |
| 21:27.25 | zooko | http://testgrid.allmydata.org:3567/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:j74uhg25nwdpjpacl6rkat2yhm:kav7ijeft5h7r7rxdp5bgtlt3viv32yabqajkrdykozia5544jqa/wiki.html |
| 21:27.55 | TigZ | erm |
| 21:28.28 | Defiant- | longest url award |
| 21:28.33 | TigZ | is it just me or is that URL a little odd |
| 21:28.55 | CVirus | LOL |
| 21:29.20 | TigZ | smells a bit spammy |
| 21:29.31 | cjb | zooko: yeah, what's up with that? :) |
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| 21:30.56 | zooko | The URL contains a secure hash and an encryption key. |
| 21:31.09 | TigZ | for what? |
| 21:31.54 | TigZ | sorry I seem to be missing the point here, are you putting MD5 hashes in your web address? |
| 21:33.00 | zooko | Okay, I've added to the issue ticket saying that those URLs are too long and fugly. |
| 21:33.00 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/ticket/217#comment:32 |
| 21:33.06 | zooko | Quoting you all. Thanks. |
| 21:33.36 | zooko | It actually contains the secure hash of a public key, so that people can check the digital signature on each file that's in that directory. |
| 21:35.33 | TigZ | zooko, how am I (general internet person) supposed to use that URL |
| 21:35.55 | SpeedEvil | notes md5 has problems. |
| 21:36.49 | TigZ | notes that he also has read of the md5 problems but was trying to work out how this is supposed to work |
| 21:36.53 | zash__ | Defiant-: longest url? you have much to see |
| 21:37.13 | TigZ | iirc isn't the spec limited to 255 chars? |
| 21:37.25 | TigZ | or is that something else |
| 21:37.32 | Defiant- | zash__: longest today |
| 21:37.36 | TigZ | there is a limit anyway |
| 21:38.10 | zash__ | TigZ: wat? |
| 21:38.24 | zash__ | TigZ: limit on md5-length? |
| 21:38.35 | TigZ | zash__, nope URL spec |
| 21:38.57 | zash__ | TigZ: sounds little |
| 21:39.01 | TigZ | sorry was not being clear on what I was talking about |
| 21:39.23 | TigZ | ah 2083 in IE |
| 21:39.26 | TigZ | chars |
| 21:40.02 | zooko | It isn't using md5, it is using a more secure hash function. |
| 21:40.15 | zooko | TigZ: how to use *that* one? Just cut and paste it into your web browser. |
| 21:40.28 | zooko | Oh, I guess you're asking how to check the correctness of the digital signature, right? |
| 21:40.39 | TigZ | zooko but how am I supposed to use that hash, does it require me to use a special browser/plug in? |
| 21:41.26 | zooko | So, if you just put that into your web browser, then your browser contacts testgrid.allmydata.com:3567, and the server running there accepts the URL, downloads the file, checks the crypto bits against the file, and then either gives you an error |
| 21:41.32 | zooko | or, if the crypto bits are valid, returns the file to you. |
| 21:41.46 | zooko | So in that case, you are relying on testgrid.allmydata.org:3567 to check the sig for you. |
| 21:42.16 | TigZ | but how do I trust testgrid.allmydata.org? |
| 21:42.19 | zooko | You could also install that open source software yourself locally, change "http://testgrid.allmydata.org:3567" to "http://127.0.0.1:3567", and then your own local server would do the checking. |
| 21:42.33 | TigZ | but checking how? |
| 21:42.35 | zooko | But, how can you trust that open source software? |
| 21:42.50 | zooko | Better to read this paper and implement it yourself! http://allmydata.org/~zooko/lafs.pdf |
| 21:42.51 | zooko | ;-) |
| 21:43.20 | zooko | The crypto structure is a bit complicated. See the diagram on page |
| 21:43.41 | zooko | See "Figure 2". |
| 21:43.47 | zooko | That shows how the public key is encoded. |
| 21:44.08 | TigZ | zooko, if I am asking a server to prove that it has sent the page I am requesting then why can't I just use HTTPS |
| 21:44.17 | zooko | I am, in fact, planning to see if I can get this software running on my FreeRunner. :-) |
| 21:44.42 | zooko | TigZ: that's a good question. |
| 21:44.56 | TigZ | zooko, I may seem to playing the devils advocate but I am trying to work out why I should use it |
| 21:45.34 | zooko | nods. |
| 21:45.38 | zooko | It is a good question. |
| 21:45.51 | zooko | I'm trying to work out how to answer it precisely. |
| 21:46.11 | zooko | There are two steps in this process. First, someone tells someone else a URL, such as I told you over IRC a few minutes ago. |
| 21:46.29 | zooko | Or, of course, that step can happen in other ways -- you can find URLs on web pags, people can give you business cards with URLs on them etc. |
| 21:46.31 | TigZ | so like https://mail.google.com |
| 21:46.47 | zooko | Then, you and your software take that URL and talk to a server and get the page. |
| 21:47.12 | TigZ | so I put in https://mail.google.com and get a page |
| 21:47.21 | TigZ | using my browser |
| 21:47.31 | zooko | If you and your software have a URL like https://mail.google.com which doesn't have any crypto bits in it, |
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| 21:48.03 | TigZ | no I admit it is terrifyingly user friendly in that regard |
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| 21:48.29 | zooko | then you are relying on connecting the right server -- you rely on verisign for that -- and then you get whatever data the server serves -- you rely on google for that. |
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| 21:48.49 | TigZ | so |
| 21:49.19 | zooko | If instead you had gotten a URL which had crypto bits in it, then |
| 21:49.39 | zooko | you wouldn't rely on the server that you connect to for the question of which pages are correct. |
| 21:49.49 | zooko | Instead you would rely on the holder of the private key for that. |
| 21:49.49 | TigZ | I am trusting a certificate that the server I have asked to connect to that I may have connected to in the past, then I can verify that server by talking to a trusted third party |
| 21:49.52 | SpeedEvil | you rely on the URL being correct |
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| 21:50.12 | SpeedEvil | which just moves the trust up to the URL delivery method |
| 21:50.28 | zooko | So, concretely, with that long ugly URL that I posted earlier, there is a decentralized grid of storage servers, and you can use any noe of them or combination of them to fetch the file, but you don't rely on them to be honest about the file contents. |
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| 21:50.44 | badcloud | hey all |
| 21:51.20 | TigZ | zooko, I can't see how this differs from setting up an SSL signing authority that is not necessarily in most browsers that relys on a web of trust and there is already one of those |
| 21:51.28 | badcloud | anyone know of a ringtone editor that supports these .yaml (?) files? |
| 21:51.53 | zooko | thinks. |
| 21:52.00 | TigZ | zooko, but the URL could easily be tampered by inline web proxies or all sorts of things |
| 21:52.39 | zooko | TigZ: support that you are running the tahoe-lafs software locally, and using a 127.0.0.1 address to reach it. |
| 21:52.47 | zooko | And then suppose you put in a tahoe URL. |
| 21:53.05 | zooko | What that server guarantees is that the resulting page is a page that was intended by the original creator of that URL. |
| 21:53.41 | zooko | I don't think that adding an SSL CA accomplishes the same effect, but I might not be understanding what you meant by that. |
| 21:53.42 | TigZ | zooko, how do you reconcile this with the user |
| 21:53.59 | TigZ | zooko, how do you reconcile this with the users ability to modify their own viewing environment |
| 21:54.11 | TigZ | so I have an ad block plug in |
| 21:54.20 | TigZ | or some other extention |
| 21:54.25 | zooko | Ok, in your web browser. |
| 21:54.34 | TigZ | you sign your page with ads in it |
| 21:54.46 | zooko | nods. |
| 21:55.01 | TigZ | my browser takes out the ads and now the checks don't work |
| 21:55.21 | zooko | The digital signature check is performed by the tahoe-lafs server before it gives the file to your browser. |
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| 21:55.52 | zooko | So for example, you can look at my blog, and if you block images from it, your browser will then filter out the images, but the whole file will still pass the digital signature check. |
| 21:55.56 | TigZ | so after the server has sent is other programs can edit and manipulate the content |
| 21:56.42 | zooko | Yes, your web browser gets to do things like that. Also render it, such as reading off alt tags if you are blind, etc. |
| 21:56.56 | zooko | wonders how the OpenMoko views his blog. |
| 21:57.02 | zooko | I haven't gotten my Freerunner running yet. |
| 21:57.39 | TigZ | so assuming I am an evil network person, I could put a tahoe-server on the edge of the network, decrypt all the traffic coming in and swap all the pictures for photos of kittens |
| 21:58.39 | zooko | I just updated my blog, by the way... |
| 21:58.42 | TigZ | zooko, I might be able to help with the Freerunner bit :) |
| 21:58.57 | TigZ | zooko, go on give me a sensible url :) |
| 21:59.25 | zooko | TigZ: yes, so if you load my blog by going through a remote web server such as testgrid.allmydata.org:3567 , then you are relying on that web server to check the digital signature and tell you honestly whether the file passed or not. |
| 21:59.44 | zooko | If you want to be less vulnerable to that remote server, then you could run the tahoe-lafs software yourself, locally. |
| 22:00.07 | TigZ | but if I don't trust "testgrid.allmydata.org" then it is a bit pointless |
| 22:00.22 | zooko | Yes, that's what I mean by saying that you are relying on them. |
| 22:00.49 | zooko | And if you don't want to rely on them, then you'll have to do the RSA or ECDSA computations yourself on a computer that you are willing to rely on. |
| 22:01.26 | TigZ | arrgh :) but then I still need data from a source I don't trust! |
| 22:01.59 | zooko | What data from which source? |
| 22:02.33 | TigZ | is testgrid.allmydata.org where your blog is located |
| 22:03.02 | zooko | I don't understand what you meant about still needing data from a source that you don't trust. |
| 22:03.10 | TigZ | is testgrid.allmydata.org where your blog is located |
| 22:03.11 | zooko | My blog is actually stored on a decentralized storage grid. |
| 22:03.21 | zooko | More specifically, it is spread out across about ten servers. |
| 22:03.40 | zooko | Hold on, I'll start a web server on a different host... |
| 22:03.48 | TigZ | is your blog located on testgrid.allmydata.org |
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| 22:04.47 | TigZ | because unless I am talking directly to your blog files then testgrid... is a man in the middle of this encryption |
| 22:05.06 | zooko | Okay, now if you change "testgrid.allmydata.org:3567" to "nooxie.zooko.com:8123" then you'll get the same page. |
| 22:05.17 | TigZ | errm |
| 22:05.22 | zooko | Those are two web servers which are each reading the file from the decentralized storage grid whenever you request the file. |
| 22:05.30 | TigZ | so you put an a record in |
| 22:06.03 | TigZ | zooko, I think I must not be explaing myself well :) |
| 22:06.07 | zooko | I didn't understand what you meant about the man in the middle, and I still didn't understand what you meant about needing data from a source that you don't trust. |
| 22:06.16 | zooko | But I think you are thinking well about these issues. |
| 22:06.21 | zooko | I.e., thinking with suspicion. ;-) |
| 22:06.29 | zooko | So I would be interested in discussing it with you more. |
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| 22:08.10 | zooko | I now understand how to parse your sentence: testgrid.allmydata.org is a man in the middle of this encryption. |
| 22:08.17 | TigZ | right if I want to trust the data I am getting from a server I need to have a connection between my computer and the computer I am talking to, no other computer in the middle even if it is relaying traffic for me to get to the other computer should be able to understand the communication and if anyone tries and suceeds to break into the conversation the whole thing should shut down immediately |
| 22:08.40 | TigZ | zooko, yes :)# |
| 22:09.24 | TigZ | now tell me how this system is better than SSL for example |
| 22:09.33 | zooko | So, in principle, that's what public key cryptography is good for -- to let you use a computer as a relay without being vulnerable to its ability to snoop on or alter your data. |
| 22:10.05 | zooko | I'm not sure that I would say that this is better than SSL in *general*. |
| 22:10.24 | zooko | But it has the nice property that |
| 22:11.01 | zooko | You can be sure you are downloading a file that was intended by the holder of a certain private key, |
| 22:11.08 | TigZ | zooko, what I am really asking is what are the goals of the project |
| 22:11.16 | zooko | *without* relying on any given server, and *without* relying on VeriSign. |
| 22:11.19 | TigZ | zooko, that can be done via GPG |
| 22:11.32 | TigZ | people can sign files with GPG signatures |
| 22:11.36 | zooko | Yes, GPG and tahoe-lafs both use public key cryptography to accomplish that. |
| 22:12.15 | zooko | So, the additional goal of tahoe-lafs in addition to the above goal is that it is easy enough to use that people use it a lot. ;-) |
| 22:12.35 | TigZ | but we established that having hashes in the URL is not user friendlyg |
| 22:13.20 | TigZ | Hi Dave, Have you seen zooko's blog it is at: http://testgrid.allmydata.org:3567/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:j74uhg25nwdpjpacl6rkat2yhm:kav7ijeft5h7r7rxdp5bgtlt3viv32yabqajkrdykozia5544jqa/wiki.html |
| 22:13.21 | zooko | There are some problems withit. |
| 22:13.32 | zooko | It line-wraps on my screen, for one thing. |
| 22:13.34 | TigZ | Yes Tig I will remember that when I get home |
| 22:13.37 | zooko | And it is intimidating and ugly, for another. |
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| 22:13.51 | TigZ | zooko, but what is it FOR! |
| 22:13.55 | zooko | On the other hand, people can cut and paste it, like you just did, and you can put it in bookmarks, and embed it in webpages, and so on. |
| 22:14.17 | zooko | What it is for is for identifying a specific directory or file on tahoe (in this case the directory contains "wiki.html" which is my blog) |
| 22:14.19 | TigZ | but https does all this for you |
| 22:14.48 | zooko | in such a way that someone can be sure the directory is the one that I intended without being vulnerable to any server lying to them, and without relying on VeriSign. |
| 22:15.16 | TigZ | well you can import and delete CAs from your browser |
| 22:15.30 | zooko | So, in the contrasting example of https://mail.google.com, you rely on VeriSign to let you know that your browser has connected to a legitimate server, and then you rely on that server to give you the right data. |
| 22:15.39 | TigZ | so you can ditch verisign and sign your own CA and import that |
| 22:16.12 | zooko | nods. |
| 22:16.15 | TigZ | nope CAs can be changed by the user |
| 22:16.32 | TigZ | CAs can be created by anyone |
| 22:16.38 | zooko | So, let's say I use a normal https link for my blog instead. |
| 22:16.49 | zooko | I could have started this conversation by saying: I blogged: https://zooko.com/klog |
| 22:17.03 | zooko | This would be a shorter and more meaningful and less ugly URL. |
| 22:17.45 | zooko | In order to use it, you would need to either be vulnerable to VeriSign to tell you that the computer you connect to is a legit server for that domain name (if I used VeriSign, which that server doesn't). |
| 22:18.11 | TigZ | then if you don't have a cert signed by any of the CAs in that person's browser, IE6 may pop up a warning, IE7/FF will ask to create an exemption |
| 22:18.16 | zooko | Or you would have to enter your own trust root into your browser, and then configure that trust root to approve of a certain public key as being a legit key for that domain name. |
| 22:18.17 | zooko | Right? |
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| 22:19.08 | zooko | Also, of course, if that server went down, there would be various bits of trouble making my blog available in its absence - I would need to have alternate servers and register their public keys with your CA< or something. |
| 22:19.29 | Slaxxer | hmmmmmm |
| 22:19.45 | zooko | So the option of ignoring the warning is a third option -- download the file without being sure that it was the file intended by the original uploader. |
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| 22:20.25 | TigZ | zooko, unless you md5ed the file |
| 22:20.45 | TigZ | zooko, also different servers can share ssl keys |
| 22:21.14 | TigZ | goes to get beer |
| 22:21.19 | zooko | So, suppose I md5'ed the file. Actually let's suppose I used a stronger hash function. |
| 22:21.51 | TigZ | zooko, stop |
| 22:22.07 | TigZ | before you start tell me what you are trying to achieve |
| 22:22.36 | TigZ | you seem to be concerned with security, what exactly are you trying to protect against |
| 22:27.08 | zooko | The goal is to allow person A to create a directory, and then give a link to that directory to person B, and then let person B be sure that the contents of the directory are what were intended by the person who gave B the link, without being vulnerable to any server changing the contents of the directory. |
| 22:28.26 | zooko | And also to be convenient and fun to use. |
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| 22:29.52 | TigZ | well still trying to workout how this can't be done with ssl and any number or source control systems |
| 22:29.56 | Dave | TIG |
| 22:30.02 | TigZ | DAVE! |
| 22:30.05 | Dave | Hallo :D |
| 22:30.25 | TigZ | I thought I was going nuts here and then you turned up! |
| 22:30.47 | TigZ | if ever there was validation.... |
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| 22:50.08 | dagger | has anyone seen this problem before? http://pastebin.com/m31cdc050 |
| 22:50.36 | zooko | I've seen problems a lot like it. ;-) |
| 22:50.54 | zooko | Err, waitaminute. |
| 22:51.00 | zooko | What is "text" ? |
| 22:51.22 | zooko | Honestly, I suggest a hack that most people disapprove of. |
| 22:51.36 | zooko | Assuming that your OS likes to utf-8 everything, just use the setdefaultencoding hack. |
| 22:51.41 | zooko | And tell me if that doesn't fix it. |
| 22:51.47 | zooko | http://blog.ianbicking.org/illusive-setdefaultencoding.html |
| 22:54.00 | dagger | zooko: yeah, everything is utf-8, but that things doesnt want to work. Let me read it |
| 22:55.28 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/browser/windows/tahoesvc.py |
| 22:55.33 | zooko | ^-- example of that hack |
| 22:55.38 | zooko | 1import sys |
| 22:55.38 | zooko | 2reload(sys) |
| 22:55.39 | zooko | 3sys.setdefaultencoding("utf-8") |
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| 23:00.35 | dagger | zooko: wooo that solved it! |
| 23:01.06 | dagger | zooko: thank you very much |
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| 23:08.07 | zooko | :-) |
| 23:08.48 | reenzo | I am using debian-fso. GSM stopped working apt-updating the software yesterday.... is there somebody out there having the same problem? |
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| 23:11.58 | reenzo | zhone says for a while: Usage: requesting reource list.... OPenmoko panel plugin do not start anything... gsm0710muxd does not start... have you heard something similar? |
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| 23:14.50 | reenzo | if the gsm modem is turned off it does not get switch on with zhone... |
| 23:17.52 | lindi- | reenzo: #openmoko-debian might have people who can help, i need to sleep now |
| 23:18.06 | reenzo | tnx |
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| 23:29.50 | rooly | is gong to play a simple little game |
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| 23:30.05 | rooly | the game is: who uses an old IRC client!? |
| 23:30.28 | rooly | see, all i need to find out is to type DCC SEND morethanfourteencontiguouscharacters |
| 23:30.32 | rooly | yup |
| 23:30.36 | rooly | one person |
| 23:31.12 | rooly | get a new client, nikolajsheller1 |
| 23:31.14 | SpeedEvil | that will get you klined btw |
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| 23:31.23 | rooly | get a new client, nikolajsheller1 |
| 23:31.30 | rooly | so i've heard |
| 23:32.14 | rooly | but still SpeedEvil, they do need to get newer clients |
| 23:32.27 | rooly | cause thats a pretty bad vulnerability |
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