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| 00:16.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: for 32R series + 32R-hs at 22uF I get a -3dB freq of ~120Hz |
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| 02:00.37 | jhass840 | Is there something wrong with the ntpclient package? |
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| 02:58.50 | brian__ | haha i keep borking my install haha |
| 03:01.18 | mwester | you don't even have to *do* anything for that to happen! :D |
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| 03:15.50 | brian__ | yup |
| 03:16.13 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.34 | brian__ | shr? |
| 03:17.17 | brian__ | well see if it was the mplayer install |
| 03:17.34 | brian__ | echo "arch base 50" > /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf |
| 03:17.34 | brian__ | > echo "src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base" >> /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf |
| 03:17.49 | brian__ | would that mess up 2008.12? |
| 03:18.00 | brian__ | -< |
| 03:18.12 | brian__ | _> |
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| 03:38.45 | Dave | heh |
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| 03:55.27 | saulfin | hi |
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| 10:32.09 | badcloud | hey all |
| 10:33.02 | badcloud | anyone hosting an .ipk of ipkg-utils, or is it still on a 'compile only' basis (for FR's architechture)? |
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| 12:09.26 | gambler | what do people like for network service discovery on WIFI? |
| 12:11.26 | lindi- | gambler: iwlist eth0 scan |
| 12:11.59 | Cervajz | woow, SHR looks very good |
| 12:12.02 | gambler | lindi-, i mean at a higher level. |
| 12:12.34 | Cervajz | Is it true that FSO will be a "base" for Om200x.x distros? |
| 12:12.38 | gambler | lindi-, eg. for nearby printers for example |
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| 12:13.44 | gfather | anyone know how to change the xoo screen size ? |
| 12:14.15 | gfather | its tooo big , i changed the resolution to 1280 and it only shows half of it |
| 12:14.38 | lindi- | gambler: i don't automatically discover printers :) |
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| 12:20.36 | beni | gambler: provide buttons for that |
| 12:20.45 | beni | so users can start the detection |
| 12:20.55 | beni | so it is in their hands wether to discover or not |
| 12:21.55 | gfather | guys anyone has info on xoo ? |
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| 13:18.14 | soul9 | gambler: avahi-discover or something like that should do it |
| 13:18.30 | soul9 | (if you have avahi, if not you can't really discover, i think) |
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| 13:19.28 | zash__ | ping -b 255.255.255.255 |
| 13:19.31 | zash__ | :D |
| 13:19.34 | zash__ | + nmap |
| 13:19.41 | soul9 | heh |
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| 14:01.33 | gfather | is there any localization projects for openmoko ? |
| 14:03.04 | gfather | or at least a localization system ? |
| 14:04.58 | gfather | or the system has to be done separate and every app should be done separate to |
| 14:06.15 | zash__ | gfather: if apps uses (gettext or similar); then yes; done |
| 14:06.23 | zash__ | had to do it |
| 14:06.38 | zash__ | BASH! |
| 14:07.36 | gfather | <zash__ do you know where the system files that shoul be translated , or any wiki/doc that has info on them |
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| 14:08.33 | root_at | hi. i am suffering under the bug #666, i am usign shr. i tried serveral time this thing with flashing gsm, how it is descriped in wiki.openmoko.org |
| 14:09.07 | zash__ | gfather: gettext is supposed to give you files in a format similar to orig="Some string to be translated" \n translated="En textsträng att översättas" |
| 14:09.09 | root_at | i first tried the moko10.m0, then i tried the moko8.m0 |
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| 14:09.41 | zash__ | gfather: the wiki is somewhat translated |
| 14:10.02 | gfather | ahh , well that dosent help :) |
| 14:10.07 | gfather | not for me |
| 14:10.25 | gfather | i mean the wiki translation |
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| 14:11.58 | zash__ | gfather: look for .po or .pot-files |
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| 14:12.45 | zash__ | gfather: http://p.zash.se/s7g2wQ.txt |
| 14:12.53 | zash__ | .po is it |
| 14:13.25 | gfather | if its .po |
| 14:13.36 | gfather | that will help allot in translating |
| 14:13.58 | gfather | <zash__> another question |
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| 14:14.11 | gfather | do u know how to resize xoo screen /? |
| 14:14.32 | zash__ | gfather: haven't tried xoo |
| 14:15.09 | zash__ | if you can't resize with alt + middle-click-dragging |
| 14:15.24 | zash__ | or there is some -geometry 123x234 somewhere |
| 14:16.25 | gfather | no |
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| 14:17.28 | zash__ | then no idea |
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| 14:17.52 | gfather | maybe its controled by the xml file |
| 14:17.56 | gfather | ill chek it now |
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| 14:18.55 | zash__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnest <- it does say -geometry there, as a param to Xnest |
| 14:22.26 | root_at | does anyone have a idea why my freerunner always says that my pin is wrong? |
| 14:28.08 | root_at | an question easier to answer...how do i make sure that nothing is acessing gsm? |
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| 14:29.12 | zash__ | root_at: kill everything accessing the modem /dev node |
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| 14:29.45 | zash__ | should say somewhere on the wiki what it's called |
| 14:29.46 | root_at | and to look up the processes i use lsof or fuser? |
| 14:29.59 | zash__ | i think so |
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| 14:31.24 | root_at | zash__: there is only written that i should kill every process accessing it, not how to do that |
| 14:31.53 | gfather | <zash__ om.2007.x based on gnome ? |
| 14:32.04 | soul9 | root_at: kill $PID |
| 14:32.12 | soul9 | root_at: or kill -9 $PID |
| 14:32.27 | soul9 | stop the service if it's a service |
| 14:32.43 | root_at | echo $PID receives nothing |
| 14:32.59 | zash__ | gfather: the om releases used gtk+, and some gnome-stuff like evolution-data-server |
| 14:33.01 | soul9 | well, i don't know the damned pid of your app :-/ |
| 14:33.05 | zash__ | gfather: i think |
| 14:33.50 | zash__ | root_at: get fuser or lsof to give you the $PID |
| 14:34.09 | CIA-35 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r45cbd2739234 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add a simple GSM cell monitor |
| 14:34.41 | root_at | lsof $PID receives very much : O |
| 14:35.10 | gfather | this xoo thing is to anoying , ill wait to get my freerunner |
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| 14:35.14 | soul9 | hahahaha |
| 14:35.19 | soul9 | root_at: lsof /dev/gsm |
| 14:35.32 | soul9 | that'll give you the processes accessing the gsm chip |
| 14:35.39 | soul9 | and their pids |
| 14:36.11 | gfather | <zash__ what i understand is latest om is on gtk+ and enlightment |
| 14:36.15 | root_at | there is no /dev/gsm |
| 14:36.26 | gfather | and xoo thing is to confucing :) |
| 14:36.31 | soul9 | aaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 14:36.50 | soul9 | root_at: replace /dev/gsm with the device of the damned gsp chip |
| 14:37.08 | soul9 | i don't know it because my freerunner is only supposed to arrive sometime tomorrow |
| 14:37.25 | zash__ | root_at: try lsof | grep gsm |
| 14:38.19 | soul9 | so in om all the software runs directly as root? |
| 14:38.22 | zash__ | root_at: i would recomend you read up some on *nix basics ;) |
| 14:38.30 | soul9 | or as a user who has sudo priviledges? |
| 14:38.56 | zash__ | soul9: unless they fixed it recently, there is only root |
| 14:39.03 | root_at | after a lil bit of waiting it receives only the gsm process itself |
| 14:41.51 | root_at | should i kill it? i did this once before, but then the flashing doesnt even work |
| 14:42.37 | zash__ | root_at: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:42.45 | zash__ | exept killing stuff |
| 14:43.27 | root_at | i want to get my sim working..it always tells me that the pin is wrong, but he is right for sure |
| 14:43.40 | root_at | now i need to flash gsm with any other firmware |
| 14:43.53 | root_at | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
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| 14:45.13 | zash__ | is /dev/ttySAC0 the modem? |
| 14:45.46 | root_at | oh xD seems to be the modem |
| 14:46.05 | zash__ | then lsof /dev/ttySAC0 should give you a table of stuff accessing that |
| 14:46.52 | zash__ | take the second column, which should be numbers, and kill -9 $thenumbers |
| 14:47.00 | zash__ | then do the lsof again |
| 14:47.02 | root_at | again only the gsm process...btw i have ttySAC0 , 1 and 2 |
| 14:47.20 | root_at | on 1 access nothing, on 2 getty |
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| 14:48.21 | root_at | does this matter? |
| 14:48.59 | zash__ | ttySAC0, 1, 2 as in ttySAC0, tty1, tty2 or ttySAC0, ttySAC1, ttySAC2 ? |
| 14:49.36 | zash__ | i would guess that ttySAC* is multiplexing-thingys |
| 14:51.55 | mwester | ttySAC* are the physical serial ports on the device; ttySAC0 is the GSM modem, ttySAC1 is the GPS, and ttySAC2 is the console (connected to nothing unless you have a debug board). |
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| 14:52.03 | root_at | there is only ttySAC0 ttySAC1 ttySAC2 |
| 14:52.08 | zash__ | mwester: ack |
| 14:52.19 | zash__ | root_at: then only kill stuff on ttySAC0 |
| 14:52.21 | root_at | thanks mwester |
| 14:52.47 | zash__ | lsof /dev/ttySAC0 | awk '{print $2}' | sort -nu | xargs kill -9 |
| 14:52.49 | zash__ | perhaps |
| 14:52.50 | root_at | i did already...but now fluid always does nothing..when i first flahed a new firmware i didnt kill the gsm process and it at least flashed |
| 14:52.51 | zash__ | should work |
| 14:53.14 | AntonTakk | mwester: gta04 should have a serial port and come with a null modem cable! :-D |
| 14:53.47 | mwester | is rather doubting that we'll ever see a gta0x > 3 |
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| 14:54.07 | AntonTakk | mwester: why is that? |
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| 14:55.32 | mwester | How long has it been since the gta01 was first shipped --- and STILL the kernel cannot suspend/resume reliably... not to mention all the other very fundamental problems yet remaining. So with the introduction of the developers version of the google phone, and the new palm entry, there's a lot of competition for linux-capable smartphone hardware. |
| 14:56.45 | bumbl | mwester: sorry but palm is no alternative |
| 14:56.54 | bumbl | gui only with html and js sucks |
| 14:56.57 | mwester | You simply have to look at the market space, and ask what it is that will sell phones for Openmoko-the-company, if they cannot fix the fundamental hardware support? I.e. open hardware is cool, but non-functioning open hardware is really no different from closed-hardware. |
| 14:57.02 | bumbl | (+css) |
| 14:57.05 | zash__ | bumbl: with linux under it! |
| 14:57.11 | root_at | i think i will reflash shr and the root fs...may it helps |
| 14:57.25 | bumbl | zash__: limo uses linux too |
| 14:57.29 | mwester | bumbl: the discussion is not on the software stack, it is on the hardware + the linux os ;) |
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| 14:57.32 | bumbl | locked down nevertheless |
| 14:57.33 | zash__ | bumbl: in theory you should be able to replace the linux+webbrowseros with gnu/linux |
| 14:57.48 | mwester | FSO already supports other hardware. |
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| 14:58.05 | bumbl | yeah i know |
| 14:58.44 | bumbl | mwester: openmoko will serve its niche |
| 14:58.54 | mwester | bumbl: No, you miss my point. |
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| 14:59.17 | bumbl | could be |
| 14:59.24 | mwester | bumbl: IF openmoko has found a niche, but cannot serve it because of broken hardware/missing OS support, my point is that OTHER vendors will fill that niche. |
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| 14:59.34 | bumbl | yeah |
| 14:59.52 | mwester | Openmoko has proven that there is a market for this device... now they must defend it from competition. |
| 15:00.04 | bumbl | but at the moment they are still alone in the niche "open" hardware open software |
| 15:00.11 | mwester | I wonder if they are able to do that, as they cannot seem to focus on what is important to the users. |
| 15:00.41 | bumbl | but yes I think they will die soon if they can't deliver up to date hardware and working software soon |
| 15:00.50 | mwester | bumbl: not so alone at all. You can buy the "unlocked" hardware used by the google phone. |
| 15:00.51 | henk | hm bad translation but there is a german proverb: competition enlivens the business (probably a bad translation of 'konkurrenz belebt das geschaeft') |
| 15:01.09 | bumbl | up to date hardware includes 3.75G |
| 15:01.43 | mwester | henk: I think that is true -- perhaps a little competition is *exactly* what Openmoko needs |
| 15:01.44 | bumbl | mwester: you don't have the schematics - can't yet run debian/gentoo on it, etc |
| 15:02.06 | bumbl | but i think i got your point |
| 15:02.12 | mwester | bumbl: lack of schematics has been inconvenient but not a problem for many many other reverse-engineering projects. |
| 15:02.17 | CIA-35 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd9d0a80e5444 10/src/zhone: display some more info in the GSM monitor |
| 15:04.06 | mwester | bumbl: consider this thought -- if Nokia were to add a GSM to the basic design of the N800/N810 tablets, and turn that into a phone that would run all the same software (and kernel) as the N8x0 tablets, wouldn't we see a large number of the Openmoko users adopt that device with all the already-existing software? |
| 15:04.23 | AntonTakk | mwester: i think the combination of the new kernel with fso may solve a lot of the usability/reliability problems |
| 15:05.06 | bumbl | mwester: i think we all agree that the current official openmoko software sucks and that the alternatives miss loads of different things - the current hardware design is far from being perfect too |
| 15:05.19 | bumbl | and there won't be a change soon |
| 15:05.24 | mwester | I think the only reason that hasn't happened is because nokia doesn't consider the market big enough -- but if Openmoko, Android, and perhaps another company were to enter the space of semi-open linux-based smartphones, then one wonders if Nokia would move in -- and crush the competition. |
| 15:05.48 | bumbl | but still openmoko with fic has a good chance to survive |
| 15:06.01 | bumbl | they just have to provide better hardware |
| 15:06.06 | mwester | bumbl: You're right :( It's sad, too -- now the position is that the gta03 is the go-to-market phone. How many chances does a company expect in order to get the basic hardware working? :( |
| 15:06.07 | bumbl | bugfree hardware |
| 15:06.36 | bumbl | i would buy a n8x0 immediatly if they would ship with gsm |
| 15:06.53 | bumbl | as the n8x0 runs kde fast |
| 15:07.13 | bumbl | and nokia pays developers for adapting kde even further |
| 15:07.26 | AntonTakk | bumbl: yes, i sincerely hope om has learned from it's hardware mistakes and will not make them again |
| 15:07.51 | bumbl | mwester: the problem is - who will buy gta03 |
| 15:08.18 | bumbl | gta02 owners won't at the beginning as they know that there might be unexpected errors |
| 15:08.27 | mwester | Well, Openmoko expects that everyone who has bought the gta02 will go out and buy a gta03, so that they get working hardware. |
| 15:08.34 | bumbl | and john doe won't buy it because the hardware is outdated |
| 15:09.00 | bumbl | mwester: well I won't |
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| 15:09.13 | bumbl | for tinkering the gta02 is enough |
| 15:09.15 | AntonTakk | bumbl: not having 3g or better doesn't make the hardware outdated |
| 15:09.35 | bumbl | AntonTakk: the soc isn't that new either |
| 15:09.42 | mwester | The SoC is not well-suited. |
| 15:09.43 | bumbl | although it is far more powerful |
| 15:09.49 | root_at | if i reflash the rootfs and the kernel, does this also effect the gsm modem? |
| 15:09.57 | bumbl | root_at: no |
| 15:10.01 | mwester | root_at: no |
| 15:10.23 | root_at | shit -.- ok what can i do if fluid does nothing at all every time? |
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| 15:10.58 | bumbl | and i personally want to have a hardware keyboard in my next phone |
| 15:11.03 | bumbl | as gta03 lacks that |
| 15:11.13 | bumbl | i probably won't buy it |
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| 15:13.43 | AntonTakk | we don't know for sure that gta03 lacks a keyboard, i fear it is likely, but we don't know for sure |
| 15:14.19 | AntonTakk | mwester: what makes the SoC not well suited? |
| 15:14.55 | bumbl | AntonTakk: hardware keyboards are hard to construct - i don't think gta03 wich should be an updated gta02 will have that one |
| 15:15.13 | bumbl | and the hardware sliding mechanics are patented afaik |
| 15:15.21 | AntonTakk | bumbl: case re-design was one of the planned changes |
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| 15:16.18 | mwester | It's generally lagging in a number of ways, compared to newer SoC designs. The ones that I think are most pertinent are the lack of zero-clock (TI OMAP can do that, massive power savings potential there, used in the N8x0 devices), and the arm core is an arm4 design, which has some other limitations. |
| 15:16.40 | bumbl | i just say it is very doubtfully that it will have that as it is very hard to do |
| 15:17.27 | mwester | One can argue about other, more minor, things too, I expect, but few of those would be as visible to the end developers, I expect. But that's just my opinion, perhaps there are other much more capable SoC's out there (e.g. raster woudl know if there are some with better graphics on-chip). |
| 15:17.47 | soul9 | wow, so everything runs as root? |
| 15:17.54 | soul9 | damn, that aint very nice |
| 15:17.57 | mwester | soul9: right now it does. |
| 15:18.24 | soul9 | what about qtopia? |
| 15:18.31 | mwester | soul9: but it's not a serious security issue, as usually the phone will crash before a hacker can do any damage. ;) :P |
| 15:18.49 | soul9 | :-D |
| 15:18.49 | mwester | soul9: qtopia is the same. |
| 15:18.52 | AntonTakk | mwester: i had the chance to ask raster about it a day or so ago, he seemed reasonably pleased with the 6410 on-chip gfx |
| 15:19.04 | mwester | That's good then. |
| 15:19.11 | soul9 | ok |
| 15:19.34 | soul9 | well, at least now i now of a way to improve om without even having the phone yet ;-) |
| 15:19.42 | Weiss | root_at: GSM modem isn't touched unless you start messing around with FLUID |
| 15:19.52 | mwester | soul9: we all hope and pray that some day, perhaps, if we get lucky, and live that long, that just maybe having everything running as root will be the most serious issue facing the device. |
| 15:20.07 | soul9 | yeah |
| 15:20.12 | root_at | hope i didnt fuck it up : / |
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| 15:20.21 | Weiss | root_at: did you play with FLUID? |
| 15:20.27 | mwester | root_at: that's harder to do than the wiki implies |
| 15:21.21 | bumbl | soul9: openmoko leaves this to the community |
| 15:21.26 | mwester | root_at: review the mailing lists for information on others who have had (and solved) similar problems, and review the wiki pages very carefully for instructions. if you miss *anything*, the most likely result is that the GSM won't talk to you. |
| 15:21.30 | mwester | Or to fluid for that matter. |
| 15:21.52 | soul9 | bumbl: yes, and i'm part of the community, right? |
| 15:21.59 | root_at | i just tried to flash this firmware then this again, then this...several times |
| 15:22.03 | soul9 | ;-p |
| 15:23.11 | bumbl | soul9: you are |
| 15:23.18 | bumbl | so if you want to start |
| 15:23.20 | bumbl | start |
| 15:23.22 | bumbl | :p |
| 15:23.46 | Slaxxer | whats unreliable about 2008.12's suspend |
| 15:23.46 | soul9 | :-) |
| 15:23.48 | bumbl | but first fix the angstrom "bug" that the root directory is /home/root |
| 15:24.07 | soul9 | not yet, i have to recieve my phone before that |
| 15:24.12 | bumbl | Slaxxer: the bouncing calypso |
| 15:24.30 | Slaxxer | i dont get that problem |
| 15:24.39 | bumbl | lucky you |
| 15:24.50 | bumbl | i don't get it often either |
| 15:25.00 | Slaxxer | is a certain set of serial #'s that it happens to? |
| 15:25.49 | bumbl | afaik a firmwarebug |
| 15:25.59 | bumbl | + certain circumstances |
| 15:26.43 | lindi- | bumbl: just use the workaround |
| 15:27.20 | Slaxxer | ultra unstable wth |
| 15:28.14 | Slaxxer | ultra unstable boots shr/ |
| 15:28.18 | Slaxxer | ? |
| 15:28.45 | Slaxxer | is that the same as uberunstable? |
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| 15:30.42 | henk | soul9: you can use qemu |
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| 15:32.20 | bumbl | lindi-: i use the workaround |
| 15:32.33 | bumbl | but the workaround needs quite some battery time |
| 15:33.51 | lindi- | bumbl: have you measured that? |
| 15:38.22 | Slaxxer | 131 megs yikes |
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| 15:47.12 | root_at | what could i do if the pin request doesnt show up? is there no command for the pin request? |
| 15:47.24 | root_at | i am using shr, btw |
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| 15:51.40 | max_posedon | root_at, you can do it manually) |
| 15:51.52 | max_posedon | but for latest SHR sim doesn't work at all. |
| 15:52.14 | root_at | rly? y i am trying this^^ which kernel should i use then? |
| 15:54.16 | max_posedon | I don't think that it is connected with kernel, I suggest you just take previos versions, not "ultraunstable" |
| 15:55.58 | transylvania | ohh a patch for qte 4.4. |
| 15:56.06 | transylvania | .2 for noise reduction \o/ |
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| 15:58.59 | root_at | max_posedon: can u tell me plz with which kernel/rootfs it will work? |
| 15:59.16 | root_at | and how i can start the pin request manually? |
| 15:59.28 | max_posedon | 2.6.24 + 20081216 worked for me. |
| 15:59.46 | max_posedon | You can send auth code directly via dbus: like this: |
| 16:00.18 | max_posedon | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendAuthCo |
| 16:00.18 | max_posedon | de YOUR_PIN |
| 16:00.32 | root_at | sry, i am tottaly new to this whole freerunner thing...2.6.24 seems to be the kernel, but 20081216? and where do i get it from? |
| 16:00.50 | max_posedon | As for me - I disabled pin asking for SIM at all. |
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| 16:01.14 | max_posedon | http://build.shr-project.org/ |
| 16:01.33 | max_posedon | and if you really new - I suggest you take qtopia or openmoko for begging |
| 16:01.49 | max_posedon | anyway you should spend few hours at wiki.openmoko.org |
| 16:04.19 | bumbl | lindi-: not measured - just before that fix there was a time when i had 3-4 days standby time |
| 16:05.11 | soul9 | henk: oh |
| 16:05.21 | soul9 | well, for these two days i won't set up qemu.. |
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| 16:06.17 | root_at | i flashed this kernel http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ and this rootfs http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 - so it isnt from ultraunstable |
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| 16:07.39 | lindi- | bumbl: would be useful to measure |
| 16:08.01 | max_posedon | root_at, neo1973?! |
| 16:08.12 | root_at | yeah, someone told me to get this one |
| 16:08.40 | root_at | i also mentioned that its from neo1973, he said it needs to be there, but u see in the filename, there is written gta02 |
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| 16:13.39 | root_at | isnt is ok? which did u take? |
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| 16:28.15 | max_posedon | root_at, I use om-gta02 versions (for kernel and rootfs) |
| 16:28.45 | root_at | ou, so u dont use shr. |
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| 16:38.21 | frankS2 | what is SHR? |
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| 16:39.18 | Slaxxer | its an advanced fso |
| 16:39.28 | max_posedon | You shouldn't use it until you know what are you doint (c) SHR Team |
| 16:39.40 | Slaxxer | lololol |
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| 16:40.21 | Slaxxer | an image from before 12-16.2008 is ok |
| 16:42.01 | Slaxxer | theres an ultra unstable to try if u are just trying out stuff |
| 16:42.42 | Slaxxer | if u are in a hurry to just install something that works do 2008.12 |
| 16:42.55 | root_at | i want to try out things, but i also want to use it as my daily phone |
| 16:42.59 | Slaxxer | or pre 12-16-2008shr |
| 16:43.23 | Slaxxer | well lets doit |
| 16:43.35 | root_at | does the rootfs and the kernel have to be pro 12-16-2008? my rootfs is from 12-16-2008 |
| 16:43.40 | root_at | pre* |
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| 16:44.35 | Slaxxer | the kernel takes 7 seconds to flash so yes please use matching kenels when u flash |
| 16:44.58 | Slaxxer | correct me if im wrong |
| 16:45.42 | SpeedEvil | non-matching kernels may work |
| 16:45.43 | Slaxxer | i think mwesters kernel is nearly universal an some kernels do match |
| 16:45.45 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 16:45.57 | Slaxxer | yea |
| 16:46.59 | root_at | ok..i will try some other kernels soom...i am atm upgrading |
| 16:47.36 | Slaxxer | what are u upgrading? |
| 16:48.18 | root_at | it upgrades much things...also the kernel and kernel-modules etc..not that sure if this is good : / |
| 16:48.35 | root_at | i just wrote opkg upgrade |
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| 16:51.21 | Slaxxer | is it shr? |
| 16:52.11 | root_at | yes |
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| 16:53.12 | Slaxxer | i think i try the ruskie jffs2 file |
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| 16:53.27 | Slaxxer | russian_ |
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| 16:57.34 | zedstar | anyone built the toolchain with mokomakefile recently? mine is borking at edje-sdk due to missing header files |
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| 17:03.18 | CIA-35 | openmoko: 03werner * r4884 10/developers/werner/wolfhammer/ (. Makefile wolfhammer.c): Hammer the Wolfson, for MICBIAS testing. |
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| 17:09.21 | peter_b | is there a shr channel ? |
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| 17:11.26 | root_at | peter_b: no, ask here |
| 17:11.57 | peter_b | ok |
| 17:12.02 | peter_b | i get : |
| 17:12.19 | peter_b | git: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.30 | peter_b | while trying to build shr-unstable |
| 17:12.33 | peter_b | any ideas ? |
| 17:13.57 | brian__ | libcrypto.so.0.9.7 is missing?> |
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| 17:15.03 | peter_b | looks like |
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| 17:16.22 | peter_b | but why ? |
| 17:17.02 | peter_b | damn |
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| 17:17.51 | brian__ | or maybe the version is incorrect |
| 17:17.59 | peter_b | pretednd i never asked :-) |
| 17:18.08 | brian__ | or its too old like me |
| 17:18.20 | peter_b | mine was too new |
| 17:18.33 | peter_b | got 0.9.8 instead of 0.9.7 |
| 17:18.46 | brian__ | was that the problem |
| 17:18.51 | peter_b | yeah |
| 17:18.54 | peter_b | for now ... |
| 17:18.54 | brian__ | cool |
| 17:19.15 | soul9 | gta03? |
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| 17:19.29 | soul9 | there is a gta03 supposed to come out? |
| 17:19.31 | peter_b | openssl-native failed :-( |
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| 17:20.33 | brian__ | im installing the russian community build of shr |
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| 17:21.51 | peter_b | is your build working ? |
| 17:21.56 | AntonTakk | soul9: eventually |
| 17:23.59 | Slaxxer | still installing |
| 17:24.20 | soul9 | yeah,it's not soon, though? |
| 17:24.36 | soul9 | otherwise i'd bash my head for purchasing a gta02 just now :-D |
| 17:24.56 | brian__ | which kernel should i use with shr-russkie |
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| 17:31.14 | peter_b | brian__: havebt really tested 2.6.28 |
| 17:31.24 | brian__ | well first i will try 2008.12 kernel an if that dont work its shr unstable latest |
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| 17:31.58 | brian__ | i need the .28 kernel for shr wheres it at? |
| 17:33.32 | brian__ | aal i see is the .24 kernel |
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| 17:33.51 | brian__ | i have boots thats not good |
| 17:34.10 | brian__ | well its up with the 2008.12 kernel |
| 17:34.32 | brian__ | it looks like a fdom shr lolol |
| 17:34.45 | AntonTakk | soul9: late this would be a *very* optimistic guess |
| 17:34.58 | soul9 | :) |
| 17:35.00 | soul9 | ok |
| 17:35.12 | SpeedEvil | soul9: speaking as one that's been following it. |
| 17:35.20 | AntonTakk | soul9: don't look for it til you see it :) |
| 17:35.23 | SpeedEvil | soul9: I would be astonished at GTA03 before august. |
| 17:35.33 | soul9 | ok.. |
| 17:35.34 | brian__ | very very nice |
| 17:35.37 | SpeedEvil | soul9: and not really surprised if it diddn't hit before christmas. |
| 17:35.47 | brian__ | somebodys gotta see this |
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| 17:35.56 | peter_b | see waht ? |
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| 17:36.03 | soul9 | is there a page which documents the gta03 hardware? |
| 17:36.09 | soul9 | SpeedEvil: ^? |
| 17:36.09 | brian__ | russian shr |
| 17:36.14 | AntonTakk | peter_b: i try not to ask questions like that |
| 17:36.16 | SpeedEvil | soul9: it's not publically decided as to what it is. |
| 17:36.37 | soul9 | hmm |
| 17:36.54 | soul9 | and where did the gta name come from? :-D |
| 17:36.57 | SpeedEvil | In that I've had comments from people who should know that the GTA03 page on the wiki does not describe the current thinking. |
| 17:37.01 | brian__ | this is nothing but sweet |
| 17:37.04 | SpeedEvil | (in private) |
| 17:37.47 | soul9 | ok, i see |
| 17:38.02 | AntonTakk | soul9: there is the gta03 speculation page, but it is just that: speculation |
| 17:38.10 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: it's not |
| 17:38.23 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: it's occasionally been updated by people who actually know. |
| 17:38.32 | AntonTakk | oh |
| 17:38.34 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: the occasionally part is the problem though |
| 17:38.35 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 17:38.39 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 17:39.03 | AntonTakk | still, don't get your hopes up for anything inparticular based on that page |
| 17:39.09 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 17:39.19 | Slaxxer | the russian shr has by default the good black background illume keyboard |
| 17:39.33 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.38 | Slaxxer | lolol |
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| 17:39.58 | AntonTakk | Slaxxer: does the russian shr have trouble using you as a daily phone? ;) |
| 17:40.46 | Slaxxer | well i just booted it with 2008.12 kernel so i will just have to test it |
| 17:41.09 | root_at | do only i have probs with opkg atm? it cant get the lists, it says signature check failed, and later at the collect of the error it says 404 |
| 17:41.46 | AntonTakk | root_at: i have dependancy resolution problems with it installing the evolution dev packages |
| 17:41.58 | Slaxxer | so fbreader works well to |
| 17:43.04 | root_at | can u opkg update AntonTakk ? |
| 17:43.05 | Slaxxer | phone works |
| 17:46.24 | Slaxxer | so far all the apps work on the russian shr |
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| 17:47.03 | Slaxxer | an there alot of applications |
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| 17:47.45 | Rayan1 | hi |
| 17:49.41 | Slaxxer | wassup |
| 17:50.43 | SpeedEvil | Slaxxer: the accellerometers answer that. |
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| 17:51.29 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.04 | Slaxxer | yay i finally got my phone on |
| 17:56.46 | root_at | wtf is this signature check failed? what can i do against this? or what i am doing wrong? i connect to wlan(it works, i can ping) then i write opkg update |
| 17:58.42 | Sharwin_F | root_at, I think tha'ts because the repos dont have any signature file :) |
| 17:59.05 | root_at | so, nobody can opkg update atm? |
| 17:59.28 | Slaxxer | did u opge upgrade? |
| 17:59.36 | Slaxxer | opkg |
| 17:59.48 | root_at | no, it didnt work |
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| 18:00.01 | Slaxxer | an did it download a bunch of stuff? |
| 18:01.06 | root_at | i am not sure if anything has had no error |
| 18:01.06 | Sharwin_F | root_at, it just downloads the packages, but not the signatures |
| 18:01.06 | Slaxxer | check this file /etc/resolv.conf for a public ip address |
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| 18:01.07 | cnwdup | Hey |
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| 18:01.30 | root_at | there are 2 nameservers in there, as it should be? |
| 18:01.52 | cnwdup | Can anyone tell me the right way to customize my Freerunner with the OmImage2008.12? I tried several approaches in the wiki which seem outdated. Is it ready for runtime customization or do I have to customize they Image's source and recompile myself? |
| 18:02.03 | Slaxxer | ping -c 5 www.yahoo.com |
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| 18:02.42 | Slaxxer | cnwdup install the russian-shr |
| 18:02.58 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.13 | root_at | i can ping, but i have no browser installed |
| 18:03.52 | Slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
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| 18:04.41 | Slaxxer | this is the latest an the greatest by far sofar |
| 18:05.07 | cnwdup | slaxxer: I was pretty unhappy with regular shr... Customization was easy, yes. But everything screwed up when trying to save changes. |
| 18:05.13 | Slaxxer | i used the 2008.12 kernel on that russian fs |
| 18:05.33 | Slaxxer | works great |
| 18:05.43 | cnwdup | I don't think my issues were kernel related. More like statusbar crashes after changing the theme, etc. |
| 18:05.58 | Slaxxer | so just flash the rootfs an be happy |
| 18:07.06 | cnwdup | I'd rather be happy compiling I guess. Is there (recent) documentation about setting up a chroot for cross compiling? |
| 18:09.26 | fredrin | Anyone using the Qwo input methode with the Illumne keyboard? |
| 18:09.34 | fredrin | is it easy to switch between those? |
| 18:10.21 | peter_b | you can use the illume configuration to change keyboards |
| 18:10.53 | fredrin | peter_b: nice |
| 18:10.57 | fredrin | peter_b: have you tried it? |
| 18:11.11 | peter_b | yes |
| 18:11.42 | fredrin | anygood? |
| 18:11.55 | peter_b | qpe is nice but im still faster with the pen and the terminal kb |
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| 18:12.28 | simoo | hi, how do I boot into nand? |
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| 18:12.46 | peter_b | qpe might be good for the phne stuff like sms but not for the terminal imho |
| 18:13.02 | fredrin | simoo: power button first, then aux button |
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| 18:13.31 | dent | cnwdup: maybe http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/debian-chroot-toolchain.txt |
| 18:13.39 | simoo | fredrin: Ah ic thanks, so that's different to aux button then power? |
| 18:13.48 | uzytkownik | Hello. Both in shr unstable and ultraunstable [yes I know what unstable means] I have this error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new. What can be wrong? |
| 18:13.54 | dent | it's more about getting the toolchain to work, though |
| 18:13.54 | fredrin | simoo: yepp |
| 18:14.08 | fredrin | lol ultraunstable |
| 18:14.17 | simoo | fredrin: thanks |
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| 18:16.33 | fredrin | aii, b0rk happend when i tried to install qwo |
| 18:16.34 | fredrin | Collected errors: |
| 18:16.34 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.34 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.49 | cnwdup | peter_b: Any suggestions on how to change illume's configuration? I read about decompiling the edj files, but edje-tools isn't avialable on the Freerunner's repo. |
| 18:34.08 | cnwdup | dent: I bet it'll be helpful though. Thanks. (-: |
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| 18:34.25 | dent | cnwdup: n/p |
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| 18:39.54 | ashbert | does anybody know when and where in the kernel does a process gets it task_struct->comm member filled up ? |
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| 18:41.09 | lindi- | ashbert: a task can rewrite it at any time, right? |
| 18:41.16 | ashbert | true |
| 18:41.22 | ashbert | but i need only the 1st point |
| 18:41.30 | ashbert | when you run a process for the 1st time |
| 18:41.31 | lindi- | ashbert: well, somewhere during syscall_execve() |
| 18:41.50 | ashbert | i thought so too ... looking through fork as well |
| 18:41.51 | lindi- | ashbert: why are you asking? |
| 18:41.57 | lindi- | ashbert: fork does not affect that |
| 18:42.14 | ashbert | ic |
| 18:42.38 | ashbert | im on a fun project ... trying to authenticate applications by hashing their code pages |
| 18:43.01 | lindi- | ashbert: authenticate? |
| 18:43.25 | ashbert | yea ? |
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| 18:43.29 | SpeedEvil | Why, rather than trusted execution? |
| 18:43.48 | ashbert | yea i want to avoid selinux |
| 18:44.00 | ashbert | and the likes |
| 18:44.01 | lindi- | ashbert: but in what way do you want to authenticate them? |
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| 18:44.24 | ashbert | crypto hash of their text segments ? |
| 18:44.32 | ashbert | data segs may change |
| 18:44.41 | ashbert | will change |
| 18:44.45 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 18:45.01 | ashbert | coz the bss merges with the data seg |
| 18:45.23 | ashbert | and values of variables and buffers will also chagne during run time |
| 18:45.27 | SpeedEvil | I mean - why are you doing something that'd be much easier with selinux |
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| 18:45.38 | SpeedEvil | or similar means of signing binaries |
| 18:45.41 | lindi- | ashbert: i'm still not sure what you are trying to achieve |
| 18:45.53 | ashbert | hehe its part of a larger thing really ... |
| 18:45.55 | SpeedEvil | that already exist, and require no coding. |
| 18:46.22 | ashbert | true, but i really dont selinux .. setting up policies is still a nightmare |
| 18:46.36 | lindi- | ashbert: again, what is the larger thing? ;) |
| 18:46.44 | ashbert | i think the kernel can do stuff auto , although it breaks the user/kernel paradigm to an extent |
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| 18:47.31 | ashbert | i cant spill the beans just yet unfortunately .. will have to wait till march |
| 18:47.32 | ashbert | :p |
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| 18:48.54 | ashbert | but FWIW, i really dislike selinux, and i think the kernel..through this code hash mechanism and do the same if not more in a better way..(authetication i mean) |
| 18:49.04 | ashbert | *can |
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| 18:50.26 | ashbert | i think flush_old_exec is what i was looking for .. thanks chaps |
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| 18:52.15 | ChristW | I just did something wrong, could someone please put his /etc/enlightenment/default_profile on pastebin for me? |
| 18:52.29 | lindi- | ashbert: are you trying to make it only possible to execute signed code? |
| 18:54.03 | ashbert | no not really... only some certain processes |
| 18:54.24 | ashbert | i dont need the whole system to execute signed code |
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| 18:54.46 | ashbert | in fact, im assuming the whole of userspace apps to be in the threat model |
| 18:56.07 | root_at | can anyone try a opkg update now, and tell me if it works? there seem to be no *.sig files on the server? |
| 18:57.41 | ChristW | root_at: There aren't any, and have never been any (AFAIK). |
| 18:57.55 | ChristW | opkg update will work just fine, but can't check the archives. |
| 18:58.13 | root_at | so y is my opkg trying to download them? |
| 18:58.41 | mwester | You know, since disabling the gpg signatures is a matter of a single line in the build configuration, one wonders why Om leaves this error in the package distro mechanism... |
| 18:59.17 | mwester | but it's been that way since the first opkg version almost two years ago, and they've not fixed it. |
| 18:59.50 | mwester | is the release manager for SlugOS, which also uses opkg -- and gpg signatures have been disabled there from the first day opkg was used. |
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| 19:03.26 | root_at | but it doesnt work fine...i want to install something that is need to update firmware of gsm: |
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| 19:03.41 | root_at | opkg install s3c24xx-gpio_1.0\+svnr4130-r2.1_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:03.43 | root_at | Multiple packages (s3c24xx-gpio and s3c24xx-gpio) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 19:03.45 | root_at | Multiple packages (s3c24xx-gpio and s3c24xx-gpio) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 19:03.47 | root_at | Installing s3c24xx-gpio (1.0+svnr4130-r2.1) to root... |
| 19:03.49 | root_at | Collected errors: |
| 19:03.51 | root_at | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.05 | soul9 | â |
| 19:04.24 | soul9 | oops |
| 19:08.11 | mwester | root_at: just type "opkg install s3c24xx-gpio" -- it will get the correct version from the feeds and install that. |
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| 19:12.11 | root_at | thx |
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| 19:26.30 | root_at | when i type in "echo "AT@POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0" (killed all process accessing ttySAC0) it takes some time...when i didnt kill it i doesnt take long...is this bad? |
| 19:29.32 | lindi- | root_at: is that necessary? why not just cut power from gsm? |
| 19:29.51 | root_at | i need to upgrade it |
| 19:30.05 | root_at | i just follow this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 19:30.20 | quatrox | root_at: maybe you get timeout |
| 19:30.41 | quatrox | because the GSM is off |
| 19:30.48 | quatrox | just guessing |
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| 19:32.22 | root_at | its possible that its off, but how can i activate it? ober the settings its not possible |
| 19:33.19 | quatrox | try: /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxer start |
| 19:34.56 | root_at | so this process need to run...its the one i killed before |
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| 19:36.02 | quatrox | when you start the muxer, it will power on the gsm |
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| 19:38.59 | root_at | muxed? |
| 19:39.15 | root_at | its started automatically at bootup |
| 19:39.19 | quatrox | gsm0710muxer |
| 19:39.31 | quatrox | then send the AT%POFF |
| 19:40.33 | quatrox | then you can stop gsm0710muxer |
| 19:40.57 | quatrox | then you are sure the GSM is off |
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| 19:46.49 | root_at | i have no gsm0710muxer, just a gsm0710muxd |
| 19:47.18 | quatrox | ahh |
| 19:47.31 | root_at | and i think i shoudnt stop it, cause of "FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 ..." |
| 19:47.35 | quatrox | sorry, that is the one I meant |
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| 19:48.00 | quatrox | I am not sure if you should stop it or not |
| 19:48.05 | root_at | ok |
| 19:48.33 | quatrox | I didn't read the wiki (yet) |
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| 19:51.55 | root_at | after the start of fluid should come a (reset Target) and if i stop it, this never appears, but if its running it appears. but it doesnt start flashing after the s3c24xx-gpio b7=1 |
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| 20:09.00 | Slaxxer | the dialer on the russian-shr has missed call numbers that are unique |
| 20:10.29 | Dave | We are at 83%! |
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| 20:12.11 | Slaxxer | whatcha doing dave? |
| 20:12.15 | Slaxxer | D |
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| 20:12.58 | Slaxxer | my russkie shr looks too much like om |
| 20:13.08 | Slaxxer | but i like it |
| 20:13.52 | Slaxxer | have to remove 600 megs mp3's |
| 20:13.57 | Slaxxer | :( |
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| 20:14.26 | Slaxxer | or just convert them right there |
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| 20:15.59 | Slaxxer | the led clock program stays good through suspend but how are u supposed to read it during that time? |
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| 20:16.54 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.46 | Slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
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| 20:24.03 | ashbert | why does mm_struct->start/end_code show different values than /proc/<pid>/maps |
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| 20:24.15 | ashbert | actually, the start_code address is the same in both cases .. the end_code value is different |
| 20:24.41 | ashbert | /proc/ maps prints the values from the VMA FWIW |
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| 20:24.53 | ashbert | but i dont understand why these give different end values |
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| 20:31.37 | peter_b | cnwdup: still there ? |
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| 20:32.41 | cnwdup | peter_b: Jep |
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| 20:34.23 | peter_b | you where asking about configuring qpe ? |
| 20:35.24 | cnwdup | peter_b: I am asking about how to configure illume and thus enlightenment. |
| 20:35.43 | cnwdup | I don't know what qpe means, though. (-: |
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| 20:38.07 | peter_b | dont you have the wrench symbol in the top bar ? |
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| 20:48.40 | zem_ | hoi |
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| 20:50.05 | cnwdup | peter_b: Which symbol? I have the arrow for the drop down menu, clock, battery and something I think denotes wireless connectivity. |
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| 20:55.25 | peter_b | cnwdup: waht distro are you using ? |
| 20:55.43 | cnwdup | OmImage 2008.12 (I am still wondering if thats the proper name ^^) |
| 20:56.09 | peter_b | ok |
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| 20:56.12 | cnwdup | *Om 2008.12 |
| 20:56.42 | peter_b | the last i used was 2008.8 |
| 20:57.04 | peter_b | is using shr now |
| 20:57.25 | cnwdup | ok |
| 20:57.29 | cnwdup | Thanks anyways. |
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| 20:58.50 | peter_b | np |
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| 21:09.56 | mujo | hi, this is going to sound silly but how do I change symbols for the keyboard that comes with 2008.12? Like caps? numbers? lower-case ? |
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| 21:12.07 | Tig| | try sliding your finger up on the keyboard |
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| 21:13.11 | Tig| | not got 2008.12 here but if that does not work look for an ABC button on the top right of the keyboard and if you press it you shoud get a pop up asking which keyboard layout you want |
| 21:13.49 | mujo | ? if I do that to the right it puts a space, to the left it puts a backspace |
| 21:14.02 | Tig| | slide from the bottom of the keyboard to the top |
| 21:14.09 | Tig| | upwards |
| 21:14.35 | mujo | aaaaah! thanks! |
| 21:14.45 | Tig| | no problem |
| 21:14.59 | Tig| | it has been in the topic for about 9 months now :) |
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| 21:15.31 | Tig| | well 7 months :) |
| 21:17.36 | mujo | well thanks |
| 21:18.19 | Tig| | no problem :) enjoy :) |
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| 21:21.01 | fredrin | Gyb, are you a Glade guy too? |
| 21:21.15 | fredrin | Gyb__: |
| 21:21.43 | Gyb__ | fredrin, nope |
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| 21:22.49 | fredrin | Gyb__: I thougt i just saw you joine #glade3 @ GimpNet, or it's maybe me that's just not used to xchat... |
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| 21:23.09 | ChristW | I just did something wrong, could someone please put his /etc/enlightenment/default_profile on pastebin for me? |
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| 21:25.21 | Gyb__ | fredrin, yeah, that's true, but I'm just camping there ;-) |
| 21:26.11 | fredrin | Gyb__: cool, me too, I'm a friend of Tristan and xJuan IRL :) but just a Glade3 fanboy don't contribute, yet |
| 21:27.13 | Gyb__ | fredrin, they're both doing a great work |
| 21:28.11 | fredrin | Gyb__: and cool guys aswell, think Tristan, maindeveloper, is coming out with some big things soon |
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| 21:28.25 | fredrin | if I helpe him with some things first though, heheh |
| 21:28.27 | fredrin | lazy |
| 21:28.38 | Gyb__ | heheheh |
| 21:29.05 | Gyb__ | <- eating now |
| 21:29.11 | Gyb__ | cya |
| 21:29.14 | fredrin | :) |
| 21:29.31 | rob79 | mirko-paroli: sim auth works but ... :) |
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| 21:29.45 | mirko-paroli | but? ;) |
| 21:30.22 | rob79 | people and msgs stuff not working ? |
| 21:30.31 | mirko-paroli | should be |
| 21:30.49 | mirko-paroli | you don't see messages and contacts in the windows= |
| 21:30.50 | mirko-paroli | ? |
| 21:30.58 | rob79 | yes |
| 21:31.11 | rob79 | and the launcher crash ? |
| 21:31.12 | mirko-paroli | ah my guess is you opened them before the data from the sim was loaded |
| 21:31.18 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 21:31.21 | mirko-paroli | that should not happen |
| 21:31.35 | mirko-paroli | which ref are u using? |
| 21:31.42 | rob79 | the sim contacts should be in contacts ? |
| 21:31.51 | mirko-paroli | yes SIM contacts should be there |
| 21:31.53 | rob79 | hmm git version from yesterday |
| 21:31.59 | mirko-paroli | ok that one should work |
| 21:32.17 | mirko-paroli | can you get me the log again |
| 21:32.18 | mirko-paroli | ? |
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| 21:32.49 | rob79 | self build ^^ |
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| 21:34.49 | rob79 | can't open file |
| 21:35.04 | mirko-paroli | ehm |
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| 21:35.27 | rob79 | ^^ contacts/phone |
| 21:35.37 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 21:35.44 | mirko-paroli | tat one is empty |
| 21:35.55 | mirko-paroli | that is only an info |
| 21:36.03 | mirko-paroli | it won't make paroli crash |
| 21:36.07 | mirko-paroli | shouldn't anyways |
| 21:36.12 | mirko-paroli | doesn't on my phone |
| 21:36.32 | rob79 | mom log is too long.. search usb cable |
| 21:36.42 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 21:39.25 | rob79 | strange |
| 21:39.43 | rob79 | can read the contacts from sim and messages |
| 21:40.04 | mirko-paroli | but? |
| 21:40.20 | rob79 | all buttons on desktop crashes |
| 21:40.33 | rob79 | all paroli thinks |
| 21:40.39 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 21:40.45 | mirko-paroli | but paroli itself is still running? |
| 21:42.28 | rob79 | the process is *paroli* ? |
| 21:42.57 | rob79 | how can i check this |
| 21:43.15 | mirko-paroli | paroli-launcher --launch Paroli-Dialer |
| 21:43.22 | mirko-paroli | that should start the dialer |
| 21:43.30 | mirko-paroli | did you run build ? |
| 21:43.39 | mirko-paroli | or do you launch from the folder? |
| 21:43.43 | rob79 | setup.py build and install |
| 21:43.56 | rob79 | the launcher icon is new |
| 21:44.02 | mirko-paroli | how did you see that the msgs and contacts was empty ? |
| 21:44.34 | rob79 | i see an empty window |
| 21:44.42 | rob79 | only add @ msgs |
| 21:44.47 | mirko-paroli | ah k |
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| 21:45.13 | mirko-paroli | so you can use some icons? |
| 21:45.16 | mirko-paroli | sry tell |
| 21:46.20 | rob79 | yes tele works |
| 21:46.38 | rob79 | calls and thinks |
| 21:47.07 | rob79 | but first start of people crash thinks ^^ |
| 21:47.11 | rob79 | An exit code of 1 was returned from dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.tichy.launcher /Launcher org.tichy.Launcher.Launch string:Paroli-Contacts. |
| 21:47.41 | mirko-paroli | and the paroli log to that? |
| 21:47.52 | rob79 | last row is quit |
| 21:47.59 | rob79 | without any error |
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| 21:48.29 | badcloud | hey all |
| 21:48.33 | mirko-paroli | hmm not good |
| 21:49.23 | rob79 | hmm ending the call quits the launcher ? |
| 21:49.37 | mirko-paroli | it certainly shouldn'T |
| 21:50.13 | badcloud | anyone know how to paste into the terminal from the illume clipboard? |
| 21:51.08 | rob79 | @mirko i quit the tele window. was this wrong ? |
| 21:51.25 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 21:51.31 | mirko-paroli | yes don't use the top bar |
| 21:51.35 | mirko-paroli | it kills the process |
| 21:51.42 | rob79 | ah |
| 21:51.43 | mirko-paroli | you have to klick the colorful bar |
| 21:51.45 | mirko-paroli | sry |
| 21:51.53 | mirko-paroli | we are working on an alternative |
| 21:52.56 | rob79 | ah |
| 21:54.59 | rob79 | testing sms. contacts are there |
| 21:57.07 | rob79 | see no messages |
| 21:57.13 | rob79 | but sound 4 sms |
| 21:57.40 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 21:57.44 | mirko-paroli | the view might not be updated |
| 21:57.57 | mirko-paroli | if you close it via the top of the windwow |
| 21:58.05 | mirko-paroli | and reopen it you should see them |
| 21:59.07 | rob79 | nope |
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| 21:59.15 | mirko-paroli | hmpf |
| 22:00.09 | rob79 | log says 5 messages on sim . total messages = 0 lol |
| 22:00.23 | mirko-paroli | outsch |
| 22:00.32 | mirko-paroli | anything else ? |
| 22:00.37 | mirko-paroli | in the log i mean |
| 22:01.34 | mirko-paroli | k i need a smoke back in 5 min |
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| 22:03.04 | rob79 | mirko-paroli: ok.. only this WARNING can't get messages : 'direction' |
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| 22:08.49 | badcloud | nothing? pasting from outside the terminal? |
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| 22:16.30 | rob79 | no idea ;) |
| 22:16.37 | rob79 | rofl Gwaterpas |
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| 22:25.54 | zem_ | cu |
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| 22:29.45 | Slaxxer | rob did it work? |
| 22:31.40 | mirko-paroli | sry phone call |
| 22:31.56 | rob79 | waterpas ? |
| 22:33.12 | rob79 | mirko WARNING can't get messages : 'direction' |
| 22:33.17 | rob79 | thats all |
| 22:33.55 | mirko-paroli | which ref did you use exactly? |
| 22:34.18 | rob79 | ref ? |
| 22:34.25 | mirko-paroli | the git version |
| 22:34.33 | mirko-paroli | sry |
| 22:34.35 | mirko-paroli | rev |
| 22:35.28 | rob79 | hmm not a git pro ^^ |
| 22:35.46 | mirko-paroli | if you go into the git directory |
| 22:35.52 | mirko-paroli | do a |
| 22:35.54 | mirko-paroli | cat .git/refs/head/master |
| 22:36.04 | mirko-paroli | and it tells you the revision |
| 22:36.28 | mirko-paroli | can you paste the last 3 lines from the log? |
| 22:36.38 | mirko-paroli | not sure which messages paroli can't read |
| 22:38.09 | rob79 | rev = 9b1167e5614f025abe99754f4dafb4ccb4c03ba2 ? |
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| 22:38.24 | mirko-paroli | rob79 yapp |
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| 23:22.41 | Slaxxer | it seems the russiian shr came with some personal info:) |
| 23:22.54 | Slaxxer | phone #'s |
| 23:23.05 | Slaxxer | calander events |
| 23:24.08 | Slaxxer | an the keyboard is exactly what i have been looking for |
| 23:24.17 | Slaxxer | good job |
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| 23:51.57 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r4885 10/developers/werner/wolfhammer/wolfhammer.c: |
| 23:51.57 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Changed frequency from 50Hz to 40Hz, to avoid confusion with mains. |
| 23:51.57 | CIA-47 | openmoko: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/a6-nrw-fft.png |
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