| 00:00.00 | jc | not totally official, but second most official :D |
| 00:00.43 | jc | Weiss: btw. how do you sign the NDA? they send you one via mail ? |
| 00:01.11 | Weiss | yep, you get it as a PDF, print it out, sign it then either fax it back or scan+email |
| 00:01.15 | leia_20 | please help, i have FDOM and i have make something that now my desktop is like a KDE???? i want my simple 4 columns of icons and black bakground desktop, help me please |
| 00:01.36 | jc | Weiss: great :) |
| 00:01.51 | jc | I'll check out your branch first and poke into the drivers :) |
| 00:02.41 | Weiss | hehe.. "driver" is possible too strong a word at this stage :) |
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| 00:06.07 | jc | Weiss: the code that accesses glamo.. |
| 00:06.14 | jc | so I get the idea how its accessed :P |
| 00:06.21 | jc | afaik its memory mapped |
| 00:06.25 | jc | and thats the only thing I know |
| 00:06.54 | jc | so through some registers in memory in kernel mode directly presumably... |
| 00:06.57 | jc | oh btw |
| 00:07.01 | jc | I think you'd like to know |
| 00:07.16 | jc | you can access kernel mode memory through /dev/mem as a process runing as root :) |
| 00:07.29 | jc | so no need to write your experiments directly in kernel :) |
| 00:08.05 | jc | unless theres something I don't know |
| 00:08.24 | Weiss | mostly glamo3d-fun is just me messing about |
| 00:08.42 | Weiss | hmm.. that way would be better though |
| 00:09.02 | dagger | ping raster |
| 00:10.19 | raster | ? |
| 00:10.19 | raster | :) |
| 00:10.20 | jc | hey :) |
| 00:10.35 | jc | Weiss: http://cis.kutztown.edu/~frye/cgi-bin/unixManPages.cgi?mem+7D |
| 00:10.50 | jc | Weiss I saw some great sample code recently, a util twiddling GPIOS on the soc |
| 00:11.00 | raster | mmmm |
| 00:11.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:11.09 | raster | where the fun begins |
| 00:11.11 | dagger | raster: sorry to disturb you, but maybe you could point me out my mistake. I compiled E from source and no matter what I do I cant get icons on desktop |
| 00:11.47 | jc | raster: for viruses especially ;) |
| 00:12.20 | raster | jc: if user == root - system == owned. |
| 00:12.24 | raster | (pretty simple) |
| 00:12.28 | jc | yes :) |
| 00:12.35 | raster | doesnt matter after that |
| 00:12.43 | raster | after that its just a question of imagination and evilness |
| 00:13.00 | raster | dagger: ummm... e puts them there otu of the box if u use the standard profile |
| 00:13.01 | jc | goddamn python |
| 00:13.08 | raster | or you mean e with illume profile? |
| 00:13.12 | jc | raster fix your condition ;) |
| 00:13.16 | dagger | i mean illume profile |
| 00:13.16 | jc | dont be a traitor :/ |
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| 00:13.37 | raster | jc: what condition? |
| 00:13.44 | raster | dagger: works for me (tm) |
| 00:13.46 | jc | raster: <raster> jc: if user == root - system == owned. |
| 00:13.56 | jc | whatever, disregard that, silly joke |
| 00:13.58 | raster | do u have an applications.menu ? |
| 00:14.01 | raster | jc aaah AHHAHAHAHA |
| 00:14.02 | dagger | raster: on start E asked me to select which apps I want to add (i think you added it on 38473), but still nothing on screen |
| 00:14.03 | jc | loves parentheses |
| 00:14.23 | jc | doesnt love lisp though |
| 00:14.25 | raster | dagger: aaah thats beand new |
| 00:14.27 | raster | but thats for ibar |
| 00:14.30 | raster | whihc illume doesnt use |
| 00:14.36 | raster | its not really meant for illume |
| 00:14.59 | jc | Weiss: damn I cant find the code :/ |
| 00:15.01 | raster | dagger: if u dont have an applications./menu in /etc/xdg/menus |
| 00:15.05 | raster | u wotn see launcher icons for apps |
| 00:15.09 | dagger | raster: oh ok than. Anyway, how can I convince E to use /usr/share/applications? |
| 00:15.24 | raster | as all illume does is tyake the same menu u'de get in kde or gnome (or e )for all the "apps" and flatten it out |
| 00:15.29 | Weiss | jc: what do you have copies of at the moment? (how's your knowledge of Git?) |
| 00:15.59 | jc | Weiss: you mean what have I checked out? the main openmoko kernel git repository |
| 00:16.10 | jc | Weiss: now I'm at andy-tracking branch |
| 00:16.26 | jc | Weiss: I can use git locally pretty well but I'm not used to collaboration yet.. but I'm willing to learn :) |
| 00:17.14 | Weiss | none of the 3D stuff will be going anywhere near the "mainline" OM kernel tree for a very long time (if at all). what you need to do is to add a new remote with my kernel repository, then create a new local branch to track whichever one of mine you're interested in |
| 00:17.22 | dagger | raster: you just ended my suffering! I've added menus and there they are! genius |
| 00:17.41 | raster | :) |
| 00:17.46 | jc | Weiss: so I'll just clone your repo, right ? |
| 00:18.03 | raster | (thats why the oe package for e-wm ships with a simple .menu file - as the system base (oe) doesnt provide one - and e e3xpectes the os to have one) |
| 00:18.07 | dagger | raster: I'm using r38500 and I've loving it :) |
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| 00:18.19 | dagger | i'm* |
| 00:18.20 | raster | dagger: :) |
| 00:18.23 | Weiss | jc: you can just clone mine, but then you won't have the OM branches |
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| 00:19.12 | jc | Weiss: so why can't I clone it in a seperate path ? |
| 00:20.13 | Weiss | you could also do that. but the real power of Git is when you pull a selection of things you're interested in together in your own repository to create your own Branch of Doom |
| 00:20.47 | jc | Weiss: no need, I just want to read it so I get the basic idea about glamo :) |
| 00:21.41 | Weiss | ok :) |
| 00:22.57 | jc | is there some log function in this channel ? |
| 00:23.26 | jc | we talked about a thing I can't find now and my log doesn't reach so far back.. |
| 00:24.30 | jc | oooooooooooh |
| 00:24.42 | jc | Weiss: well duh ! here it is: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gpio/gpio.c |
| 00:25.13 | jc | Weiss: should be usefull if you want to start playing with /dev/mem on fr |
| 00:25.21 | jc | see the main function |
| 00:25.57 | jc | also theres http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gpio/gpio-glamo.c |
| 00:26.00 | jc | could be interesting too |
| 00:26.16 | Weiss | hmm yeah, that'd certainly be easier for playing with.. |
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| 00:26.43 | jc | Weiss: you just substitute the gpio registers with whatever you want and no need to mess in the kernel anymore ;) |
| 00:27.27 | jc | the basic idea is, you do a tool that lists all the regs under well known names and then you can possibly write just shell scripts that twiddle them using your utility |
| 00:28.24 | jc | persuming the accesses arent timing critical |
| 00:28.42 | Weiss | yeah - not totally sure about the timings right now.. |
| 00:29.00 | Weiss | my code has a header file with a list of some of the regs though |
| 00:29.19 | jc | great |
| 00:30.14 | jc | well.. I have to go to sleep now.. I'll definitely check your repo.. and I appreciate it a lot that you do any effort at all on this :) I'll help however I can |
| 00:30.18 | jc | goodbye :) |
| 00:30.31 | Weiss | thanks :) |
| 00:30.34 | Weiss | sleep well |
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| 01:08.56 | uhsf | does the sd card need to be mounted to /media/card/ to be formatted? |
| 01:09.53 | uhsf | what's the recommended partition scheme to install SHR on a 8GB sd card? |
| 01:14.24 | Slaxxer | is it not 8 meg |
| 01:14.44 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.51 | Dave | :P |
| 01:14.57 | Dave | silly |
| 01:15.03 | Slaxxer | dave knows!! |
| 01:15.46 | Slaxxer | please tell us Dave |
| 01:16.24 | Slaxxer | an to modify u-boot properly to |
| 01:16.34 | uhsf | do i need a /boot partition or is the nand actually the /boot partition? |
| 01:17.04 | Slaxxer | step by step distructions |
| 01:18.07 | Dave | bah |
| 01:18.14 | Dave | Destruction, eh? |
| 01:18.21 | Dave | Then you've come to the right place >:) |
| 01:18.24 | Dave | I mean, Dave >:D |
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| 01:18.52 | uhsf | i'll try a 3.5GB /, 0.5GB swap and 4GB /home |
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| 01:41.42 | uhsf | mkfs is very slow |
| 01:44.26 | uhsf | is there a mkfs.swap? |
| 01:44.37 | SpeedEvil | mkswap |
| 01:44.43 | uhsf | ty |
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| 01:47.33 | uhsf | mkswap is very fast |
| 01:47.49 | SpeedEvil | It writes one block IIRC |
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| 02:10.11 | Slaxxer | t, his e-mail address from Gmail and Facebook, and instant messenger from Gtalk. All of these are combined in a single entry, with a status indicator to show if Dave is available for IM chats. |
| 02:10.23 | Slaxxer | they know u Dave!! |
| 02:13.02 | Slaxxer | its the palm pre |
| 02:13.42 | Slaxxer | The new bad-ass Palm Pre phone charges wirelessly. That is, it's got a magnetic induction chargerlike a toothbrushcalled the Touchstone. More info during our hands-o |
| 02:13.54 | Dave | :O |
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| 02:29.33 | uhsf | what's wrong with my command to copy the system tarball: scp uhsf@192.168.0.200:~/Software/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081216-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz? |
| 02:29.33 | cb22 | isn't that really slow? |
| 02:32.53 | mmontour | uhsf: you need to specify a destination for the copy command |
| 02:33.41 | uhsf | a '.' at the end? |
| 02:34.20 | mmontour | that would work (with a space between the source filename and the '.') |
| 02:39.57 | uhsf | now i get: /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused |
| 02:42.39 | mmontour | check the 192.168.0.200 computer, make sure 'sshd' is running and that you aren't blocking connections with a firewall |
| 02:45.02 | uhsf | i started sshd, now i get: /usr/bin/dbclient: connection to uhsf@192.168.0.200:22 exited: remote closed the connection |
| 02:46.23 | mmontour | You'll have to look for log messages from sshd. I don't know offhand what would cause that. |
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| 02:49.29 | Dave | Hi Montour |
| 02:49.47 | mmontour | Hi Dave |
| 02:50.55 | Dave | :) |
| 02:52.46 | uhsf | other warnings i get are WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' '-oForwardAgent no' '-oPermitLocalCommand no' '-oClearAllForwardings yes' |
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| 02:56.01 | uhsf | how to start sshd on the freerunner? |
| 02:56.13 | uhsf | where is it located? |
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| 02:57.45 | mmontour | probably '/etc/init.d/dropbear start' |
| 02:59.52 | uhsf | dropbear? rly. |
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| 03:07.16 | uhsf | 3 minutes to copy a 50MB file via usb. i'm not used to that much slow. |
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| 03:19.53 | uhsf | that new palm pre linux phone sure looks sleek |
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| 03:21.37 | Slaxxer | im confused about that |
| 03:21.42 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.04 | uhsf | it is. it's very unexpected coming from palm. |
| 03:32.00 | rooly | sighs |
| 03:32.05 | rooly | mother fsking damnit |
| 03:32.34 | rooly | i mean, seriously |
| 03:32.36 | rooly | why did i do it |
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| 03:32.42 | rooly | i knew something bad would happen |
| 03:32.46 | rooly | i KNEW it |
| 03:35.51 | rooly | and nobody even cares to find out what not to do |
| 03:35.56 | rwhitby | uhsf: the palm pre has me looking closely form factor wise. wonder how open the linux webOS is ... |
| 03:36.16 | rwhitby | (i.e. can you run openmoko on it) |
| 03:38.28 | rooly | i guess not then |
| 03:39.37 | Slaxxer | why rooly why? |
| 03:39.52 | rooly | thank you |
| 03:39.59 | Slaxxer | did u bork 4.3.3 |
| 03:40.03 | Dave | rooly! |
| 03:40.03 | rooly | i installed the binary update for qtopia from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 |
| 03:40.09 | rooly | and everything works perfectly |
| 03:40.11 | Slaxxer | just let it go |
| 03:40.14 | rooly | except i can't dial... |
| 03:40.24 | Dave | how's it going, man? |
| 03:40.26 | rooly | i can receive just fine |
| 03:40.29 | rooly | great, dave |
| 03:40.33 | rooly | except i can't dial |
| 03:41.06 | Dave | Oh, shitty |
| 03:41.10 | rooly | you bet |
| 03:41.26 | cb22 | this isn't really an openmoko question, but if I add a printk to fb_mmap() in drivers/video/fbmem.c, something should get printed each time a program tries to mmap the framebuffer, correct? |
| 03:41.40 | uhsf | rwhitby: i was never interested in phones in general. i bought the freerunner because i needed a phone and it happened to be the only linux phone at the time. |
| 03:41.55 | rooly | i'm going to attempt to upgrade my phone's packages first |
| 03:42.06 | rooly | then if i can't dial, i'll see if 4.4.2 is working worth a damn |
| 03:42.17 | Slaxxer | ooo noos |
| 03:42.23 | rooly | if it does, i'll have working internet and dialer and a web browser |
| 03:42.27 | uhsf | rwhitby: i just stumbled on the palm pre news and i admit i'm incredibly surprised |
| 03:42.33 | rooly | if it doesn't, i'll just reflash 4.3.2 |
| 03:43.08 | Slaxxer | what about 4.4.3 |
| 03:43.23 | rooly | not released yet as an image or update |
| 03:43.50 | rooly | but if somebody feels like building a copy for me, i'll happily try it out before reflashing |
| 03:44.18 | Slaxxer | i wish i knew how |
| 03:44.34 | uhsf | the form factor, the keyboard, the os, unlocked gsm, they even managed to offer a wireless charger that is just unbelievable, i don't wanna troll you know but it is very likely that i'm getting one when it comes out in 2009. |
| 03:44.53 | rooly | tell us if its any good, uhsf |
| 03:45.17 | rooly | sighs |
| 03:45.29 | Slaxxer | it is very nive but it being a palm if it hits the floor its proly dune for |
| 03:45.30 | rooly | i can so easily pound thru 5 gigs in a month |
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| 03:46.18 | rwhitby | Slaxxer: my t650 hits the floor regularly, and keeps going for the last 5 years. |
| 03:46.26 | Slaxxer | send dave one so he can test it:) |
| 03:46.32 | uhsf | the palm pre linux phone just beats the freerunner in everyway possible and sets new standards for linux devices in 2009. as simple as this. |
| 03:46.52 | rwhitby | uh, oh - he mentioned palm and freerunner in same sentence ... |
| 03:47.02 | Slaxxer | gives om something to look at |
| 03:47.32 | Slaxxer | recon he will get kicked? |
| 03:48.08 | Dave | poor rooly |
| 03:48.35 | rooly | yeah |
| 03:48.37 | Slaxxer | my daughter has 650 gsm failed after hitting the floor |
| 03:48.40 | rooly | i was so happy with it too |
| 03:48.54 | Slaxxer | or 3g whatever it is |
| 03:49.10 | rooly | sighs |
| 03:49.15 | rooly | its still damned dialup... |
| 03:49.22 | Dave | yup! |
| 03:49.24 | rooly | why can't people understand that? |
| 03:49.41 | rooly | at least the latency is better than satelite |
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| 03:51.31 | Dave | but still :\ |
| 03:51.55 | rooly | you know what i want to do |
| 03:52.01 | rooly | meet someone else with an FR |
| 03:55.49 | Slaxxer | an start the first free peer to peer network yay |
| 03:56.12 | Slaxxer | Divercity |
| 03:56.29 | rooly | lol |
| 03:56.32 | Dave | shudders |
| 03:56.41 | Dave | FREERUNNER LAN PARTY? |
| 03:56.45 | rooly | lmao |
| 03:56.50 | rooly | wtf would you DO with that |
| 03:57.00 | rooly | forward a bunch of linux x servers running wow? |
| 03:58.47 | Slaxxer | need neighbors with freerunners |
| 04:01.46 | rooly | shit |
| 04:01.55 | rooly | there are only 10,000 units in the wild |
| 04:02.04 | rooly | what are the chances i'll run into someone with one of them |
| 04:02.35 | uhsf | i want to meet someone with a palm pre |
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| 04:10.16 | Slaxxer | may include 1973s |
| 04:11.00 | Slaxxer | use the force rooly |
| 04:13.08 | Slaxxer | download the new youk maps an go track down dave |
| 04:13.20 | Slaxxer | i can see it now |
| 04:14.14 | Slaxxer | Dave with his location spoffed to just across the highway in a macdonalds drive up |
| 04:14.55 | Slaxxer | peeking out the curtain watching for roolys jetta |
| 04:17.34 | Dave | What the fuck!? |
| 04:20.17 | mwester | washes Dave's mouth out with a bar of soap. |
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| 04:42.03 | Dave | :[ |
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| 04:42.47 | Slaxxer | yuk |
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| 04:44.32 | Slaxxer | http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090107/tc_pcworld/nineinchnailsthefirstopensourceband |
| 04:44.59 | Slaxxer | this thin could really change the world!! |
| 04:45.20 | Slaxxer | g |
| 04:46.09 | Slaxxer | cutting out all the rich fat fatherless boys |
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| 05:02.45 | uhsf | "dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master_a2d11c4dd18c9517.udfu" doesn't work on the freerunner. does this command has to be done on the pc? |
| 05:03.36 | uhsf | i try to install qi but dfu-util is not installed on the freerunner |
| 05:03.46 | mmontour | on the pc, and the Freerunner has to be at the u-boot menu |
| 05:04.23 | Slaxxer | in the nor -correct? |
| 05:04.55 | uhsf | the u-boot menu is accessed by holding aux before boot? |
| 05:05.00 | Slaxxer | shr is coming to release :) |
| 05:05.08 | uhsf | when? |
| 05:05.29 | Slaxxer | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 05:05.46 | uhsf | i'm almost finished with the install that's a little sad |
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| 05:06.02 | Slaxxer | boot into nor by aux+power |
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| 05:06.20 | Slaxxer | it will be ok |
| 05:07.00 | Slaxxer | not sad at all |
| 05:07.30 | uhsf | i'll install again when it's released |
| 05:08.00 | uhsf | i did a little error so it'll be better next time |
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| 05:08.37 | uhsf | i still haven't set the mount points for my partitions. how to do this? |
| 05:08.57 | uhsf | i have a /, swap and /home. |
| 05:09.51 | uhsf | do i have to edit /etc/fstab manually? |
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| 05:16.29 | uhsf | No DFU capable USB device found |
| 05:17.03 | mmontour | try running the dfu-util command a second time |
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| 05:18.47 | uhsf | i tried with sudo and it worked |
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| 05:23.49 | uhsf | it wasn't a success. probably i just need to configure qi to boot from sd card but it'll wait 'til tomorrow i'm too tired. gn. |
| 05:25.14 | Slaxxer | later |
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| 05:44.41 | Slaxxer | boing boing boing |
| 05:46.02 | Dave | yep |
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| 05:52.50 | Slaxxer | its the doc |
| 05:53.37 | Slaxxer | oooo nooos its the web flu |
| 05:53.46 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 05:53.53 | Dave | he's getting over it though, fortunately :) |
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| 06:40.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahhh, crap. My dialer, contacts, and SMS apps have screwed up. |
| 06:41.32 | Digital_Pioneer | The dialer only works when run from SSH. The contacts and messages apps both segfault from GUI and SSH. |
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| 06:51.09 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, rebooted, and ophonekitd didn't start. |
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| 06:51.51 | Digital_Pioneer | I started it manually, and after it got initialized, the dialer, messages (SMS) apps work from SSH ONLY, and contacts works correctly. |
| 06:53.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Crap, NVM. All three work from SSH only. |
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| 06:54.21 | Digital_Pioneer | I upgraded my Enlightenment to the one Trevino compiled and put on the community ML. Now this is happenning, but only with those three apps, as far as I can tell. |
| 06:55.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope, alarm is affected too. |
| 06:56.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Curse it. |
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| 06:58.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Appears to just be those 4. |
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| 07:06.18 | synan | morning |
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| 07:34.21 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: segfault? you are lucky, segfaults should be easy to fix |
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| 07:43.32 | raster | lindi-: u'd be surprised how hard segv;'s can be to fix :) |
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| 07:46.30 | lindi- | only if it's c++ :) |
| 07:46.44 | raster | even in c |
| 07:46.55 | raster | somethnig scribbles over the wrong bit of ram |
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| 07:46.59 | raster | but some time LATEr thigns die |
| 07:47.27 | raster | (eg some code scribbles over the wrong datastruct setting pointersin it to garbage and some time later u access them and wonder wy its garbage) |
| 07:53.31 | elserpiente | + |
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| 07:54.15 | gopi | Purify is a nice tool for that. |
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| 08:02.55 | gecco | good morning |
| 08:03.57 | synan | morning |
| 08:04.30 | lindi- | raster: ok, if it's not reproducible then that can be difficult |
| 08:05.08 | raster | lindi-: if it is reproducable it can also be very trickly |
| 08:05.12 | raster | it depends ont he kind of bug |
| 08:05.27 | raster | a simple NULL dereference is easy to fix |
| 08:05.31 | lindi- | raster: yep |
| 08:05.41 | raster | but thats roughly where it stops being easy |
| 08:05.41 | raster | :) |
| 08:05.48 | lindi- | raster: but with corrupted pointers you can set watchpoint and rerun to see what wrote it |
| 08:05.58 | raster | not so easy |
| 08:06.04 | raster | if your code is very dynamic |
| 08:06.05 | lindi- | (assuming the addresses are the same on each run) |
| 08:06.09 | lindi- | then you lose :) |
| 08:06.16 | raster | and the thing to watch gets created at some point then used later |
| 08:06.26 | raster | and that point may be a few ms before things segv |
| 08:06.29 | raster | or it could be4 at the start |
| 08:06.31 | raster | who knows |
| 08:06.31 | lindi- | if it is non-deterministic then it's very challenging indeed |
| 08:06.51 | lindi- | logging contents of memory after each instruction would be useful |
| 08:06.53 | raster | i've had my fair share of dooseys to fix |
| 08:07.01 | raster | valgrind helps muchly |
| 08:07.13 | raster | watchpoints in gdb i have found are useless as gdb becoems so slow |
| 08:07.14 | lindi- | doesn't support ARM though? |
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| 08:07.22 | raster | it mayaswell be running on a z80 |
| 08:07.29 | raster | oh dont bother on arm |
| 08:07.32 | raster | i always hunt them on x86 |
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| 08:07.37 | raster | easier to do the debugging |
| 08:07.40 | lindi- | oh, hardware watchpoints should be fast |
| 08:07.40 | raster | more tools |
| 08:07.48 | raster | aaah but they arent |
| 08:07.52 | raster | as they arent done with hw |
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| 08:07.56 | raster | gdb does itin software |
| 08:08.00 | raster | thus... SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 08:10.08 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:14.24 | Dave | :) |
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| 08:19.30 | beni | someone has dosbox running? |
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| 08:21.16 | amarsh04 | not on openmoko, beni... I've been running it on my desktop pc |
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| 09:02.39 | lindi- | raster: gdb supports hardware watchpoints afaik |
| 09:08.13 | raster | lindi-: in theory - but it doesnt use them on x86 at least |
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| 09:22.45 | soul9 | hi! |
| 09:23.04 | soul9 | i'm about to order a freerunner...i was wondering about some stuff... |
| 09:23.21 | soul9 | e.g. wether skype works (not that i like skype at all :-) |
| 09:23.39 | soul9 | and flash (again, nott hat i really like flash at all) |
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| 09:25.05 | soul9 | ok, found the answer to the flash question |
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| 09:27.20 | soul9 | found the answer for skype too, if it's not outdated |
| 09:27.33 | soul9 | i wonder, the maemo is based on ARM too, no? |
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| 09:28.42 | dent | soul9: yes, those nokia N800 et al. are ARMs |
| 09:28.48 | soul9 | yeah |
| 09:29.10 | soul9 | so skype from that should work on moko too no? or is there an architectural difference that makes it not possible? |
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| 09:29.14 | dent | as for the FR: forget bout flash and forget bout skype, there are more fundamental issues to still be solved, IMHO |
| 09:29.15 | sakkara | skype would be nice to work... |
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| 09:29.27 | dent | there is quite some difference |
| 09:29.39 | dent | I don't know exactly- use google, btu it's different ARM |
| 09:29.43 | sakkara | soul9: skype only works for i386 linux not arm... |
| 09:30.25 | dent | sakkara: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/nokia/ |
| 09:30.40 | dent | they do have binaries for those N800ish notkia things |
| 09:30.48 | soul9 | sakkara: maemo is ARM based too |
| 09:30.55 | soul9 | not sure wether it's the same arch... |
| 09:31.16 | soul9 | it'd be worth it to try tho.. |
| 09:31.21 | sakkara | hm |
| 09:31.24 | soul9 | i'm surprised noone did.. |
| 09:31.25 | sakkara | ill give it try |
| 09:31.28 | soul9 | :-) |
| 09:31.30 | soul9 | cool |
| 09:32.55 | soul9 | well, please update the wiki if you make it... |
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| 09:33.38 | soul9 | hehe, i see why there is no public info about it |
| 09:33.46 | soul9 | license problems, it seems |
| 09:33.49 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 1: [install]: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 2: catalogues: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 3: package: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 5: [nokia-certified]: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 6: name: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 7: uri: not found |
| 09:33.53 | sakkara | ./skype.install: line 8: components: not found |
| 09:33.59 | soul9 | heh |
| 09:34.06 | sakkara | i was pretty sure it wont work... |
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| 09:34.19 | soul9 | darn |
| 09:34.28 | soul9 | well, i'll dive into it when i get my freerunner |
| 09:34.35 | sakkara | yeah |
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| 09:34.52 | soul9 | enyone know anyhting about the pulster shop? anyone purchase from them? |
| 09:34.53 | sakkara | the problem is skype is completely closed... |
| 09:34.58 | soul9 | yeah, i know |
| 09:35.09 | sakkara | yes, purchased from pulster |
| 09:35.10 | dent | soul9: I have, well, actualyl we were a group, so we have |
| 09:35.13 | soul9 | i don't really like it, but no choice yet...jingle is getting accepted soon tho |
| 09:35.21 | soul9 | ok, cool |
| 09:35.23 | soul9 | sweet |
| 09:35.42 | sakkara | in august, took quite a while |
| 09:35.44 | soul9 | thanks guys, see ya around |
| 09:35.48 | soul9 | did? |
| 09:35.53 | soul9 | guess they were out? |
| 09:36.01 | sakkara | yeah |
| 09:36.01 | soul9 | sold out* |
| 09:36.03 | soul9 | ok |
| 09:36.09 | soul9 | yeah, they have it in stok now |
| 09:36.11 | sakkara | had to wait for september 15 ship |
| 09:36.14 | lindi- | raster: really? |
| 09:36.15 | soul9 | stock* |
| 09:36.23 | soul9 | ugh, that sucks |
| 09:36.30 | lindi- | sakkara: keep skype far away from freerunner :) |
| 09:36.42 | sakkara | lindi-: :-D |
| 09:36.54 | soul9 | hehehe |
| 09:37.10 | soul9 | dent: err, what big issues are there? |
| 09:37.12 | soul9 | :-) |
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| 09:37.22 | sakkara | it would just be nice to reverse engineer the im, to make a different im client |
| 09:37.41 | lindi- | raster: I wrote the part about debug registers on x86 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debug_register by reading GDB source code, there's a even a reference to the actual file |
| 09:37.53 | soul9 | reverse-engineer the protocol so one could make a client....then again, they'd prolly change the protocol |
| 09:38.32 | soul9 | waits impatiently for wider jingle adoption.. |
| 09:38.44 | raster | lindi-: i was doign watchpoints a few weeks back |
| 09:38.50 | raster | set a watchpoint ona an address |
| 09:38.54 | raster | and the app crawled |
| 09:39.01 | lindi- | raster: odd |
| 09:39.08 | raster | it took like an hour to just get the first window up |
| 09:39.12 | raster | letalone ther rest of the init/code |
| 09:39.16 | raster | i gave up |
| 09:39.21 | raster | found other ways to hunt it down |
| 09:39.22 | raster | :) |
| 09:40.01 | Daramara` | soul9: looking at the tickets in the Trac for om and fso gives you a clue how the status is for the openmoko |
| 09:40.21 | lindi- | raster: but it definitely has code for hardware watchpoints |
| 09:40.26 | soul9 | fso? |
| 09:40.44 | raster | lindi-: found them to... be non-functional :( |
| 09:40.48 | Daramara` | It is the new middleware for the openmoko |
| 09:40.56 | soul9 | heh |
| 09:41.03 | soul9 | not sure what middleware does |
| 09:41.42 | gambler | raster, you guys doing anything with android, or is OM strictly a hw company now? |
| 09:41.50 | Daramara` | Still the tickets will show you what works and what doesn't, but keep in mind that some of the issues only affect a few. |
| 09:41.59 | soul9 | ok |
| 09:41.59 | soul9 | yeah |
| 09:42.27 | gambler | raster, btw im organising an open phone / mobile interent device bar camp in brisbane on 28th january if your keen. |
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| 09:42.39 | gambler | (or anyone else here) |
| 09:45.30 | lindi- | raster: at least simple busyloop seems to be equally fast with and without watchpoints on my x86 |
| 09:45.40 | lindi- | raster: where's your bug report? |
| 09:47.14 | raster | gambler: i dont work for om |
| 09:47.52 | raster | lindi-: for gdb? didnt file. i was busy dealing with my own bugs! |
| 09:47.53 | raster | :) |
| 09:48.01 | lindi- | raster: excuses :) |
| 09:49.02 | gambler | raster, oh...when did that happen |
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| 09:49.35 | raster | lindi-: i didnt know it was MEANT to work |
| 09:50.01 | raster | the manual said "it has support for some platforms - if it doesnt , then it does software stepping instead" |
| 09:50.17 | raster | so i just assumed it didnt have the support |
| 09:50.18 | lindi- | raster: you didn't read the source ;) |
| 09:50.18 | raster | gambler: august |
| 09:50.23 | raster | lindi-: no... i was busy reading my own! |
| 09:50.24 | raster | :) |
| 09:52.50 | gambler | raster, http://barcamp.org/BrisbaneMobility2009-1 btw |
| 09:53.48 | raster | gambler: thouhg i'd like to come... i am at lca just before - right now i may be goign to korea just after lca |
| 09:54.21 | gambler | ok keep it in mind if you dont go to korea. |
| 09:55.11 | raster | as for android - i am not a big fan of it |
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| 09:55.51 | raster | mostly because it diverges so far from linux |
| 09:56.00 | raster | hasnt played the "lets work with the community" game |
| 09:56.15 | raster | did their own langauge, own dev system, own libx, own display system etc. |
| 09:56.39 | raster | whihc means to work with android i need to throw out al the languages i know and libs i use and "smoke the android pipe" |
| 09:56.45 | raster | and that.. i am not willing to do |
| 09:57.06 | raster | i have to keep enough context in my head without adding another complete os to it |
| 09:58.20 | raster | :( |
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| 10:00.29 | raster | (probably doesnt make me popular to not be an android fanboy - but its my take on it) |
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| 10:02.45 | zash__ | raster: OHYEAH |
| 10:03.19 | zash__ | agrees with raster |
| 10:04.51 | raster | if android did a "standard linux" |
| 10:05.03 | raster | (kernel+userspace+x) |
| 10:05.12 | raster | and had standrad tookits with c api access |
| 10:05.23 | raster | i'd be inclined to be poking around with it |
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| 10:07.01 | XorA | people seemed to like Freerunner Android at local LUG last night |
| 10:07.12 | mjr | is of the same opinion, but well, if android will catalyse creation of linux-supported hardware (some of which not locked, and some of which with free drivers at least for basic functionality), it's okay one supposes |
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| 10:07.33 | zash__ | "According to [Palm], anyone who knows CSS, HTML and XML will be able to develop for [webOS/Palm Pre] without having to learn any new languages" |
| 10:07.36 | zash__ | lawl |
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| 10:08.02 | mjr | though I wouldn't like it if it crowded out more traditional gnu/linux approaches - though that's really partly a community matter |
| 10:08.20 | raster | zash__: "and anyone who knows c and c++ will be fucked as they now are forced to become web monkeys" :) |
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| 10:08.45 | sakkara | lol raster^^ |
| 10:09.21 | XorA | we can implement c-script in java script :-) |
| 10:09.32 | raster | now thats just plain offensive |
| 10:09.34 | raster | :) |
| 10:09.39 | CVirus | disgusting |
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| 10:10.23 | ernst | Hello |
| 10:10.34 | ernst | where can i find ewww ? |
| 10:10.55 | CVirus | what is it ? |
| 10:11.37 | raster | efl web browser |
| 10:11.47 | raster | very small minimal one using webkit-efl |
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| 10:11.51 | raster | cant rememebr |
| 10:11.52 | raster | google for it |
| 10:11.53 | raster | :) |
| 10:11.56 | raster | (where it is) |
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| 10:17.08 | evolux | hey guys, i'm suddenly having problems booting FSO |
| 10:17.22 | evolux | before starting X it complains about missing files in /dev |
| 10:18.03 | evolux | other files obviously exist on the root partition (for example /sbin/sulogin and /sbin/getty) |
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| 10:18.50 | dario | hello everyone, does someone know how to sync the hw clock to the sw time on SHR? |
| 10:19.23 | evolux | the errors are like "can't open /dev/1" and "can't log to '/dev/tty5'" other files that are missing are /dev/S, /dev/1, /dev/z6 |
| 10:19.27 | evolux | any idea? |
| 10:21.40 | evolux | does FSO use devfs or any other fancy stuff? |
| 10:21.56 | evolux | i dumped my rootfs and checked, /dev/tty5 is there |
| 10:22.04 | sleipnir | ernst: there is a post on planet IIRC http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/ewww-libeWebKit%2bgit20090109.tar.bz2 |
| 10:22.32 | evolux | those strange files 1, z6 and S are obviously not there |
| 10:22.40 | evolux | init wants to open it... |
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| 10:23.42 | evolux | can i boot into some root login? |
| 10:26.53 | evolux | it starts busybox and then says "bad inittab entry 'id:5:initdefault:'" |
| 10:26.57 | evolux | what's wrong with that entry? |
| 10:28.13 | evolux | ok, i'll just reinstall... |
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| 10:36.34 | dagger|work | is there any documentation how to use cli_framework? |
| 10:37.51 | max_posedon | hm... It just python interface to dbus |
| 10:38.37 | max_posedon | You can easy do the same using mdbus -s, and mdbus for me is better because he cam |
| 10:38.45 | max_posedon | *can "scan" API. |
| 10:40.35 | dagger|work | max_posedon: the small problem is, I know nothing about it (yet) and I need to test it. Currently reading docs at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html;hb=HEAD but it's quite complicated when you see it for the first time |
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| 10:41.29 | max_posedon | You should begin with dbus documentation, than for example you can do: |
| 10:41.34 | max_posedon | mdbus -s |
| 10:41.39 | ernst | :sleipnir Thank You very much |
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| 10:41.58 | max_posedon | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd |
| 10:42.16 | max_posedon | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /opt/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 10:42.43 | max_posedon | (some kind of this) And you will understand main idear, and how to communicate with dbus) |
| 10:43.23 | dagger|work | max_posedon: thank for that. It's a very good starting point ^^ |
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| 10:51.42 | dns53 | are the api's written anywhere? |
| 10:51.53 | dns53 | how do you find the data type returned? |
| 10:58.13 | max_posedon | dns53, accoding to dbus specification, all services should return their API if you asks them) |
| 10:58.16 | max_posedon | just try : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
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| 11:00.29 | dns53 | mdbus does not seem to tell you but i could write some code to do it |
| 11:00.55 | dagger|work | max_posedon: do you know what's the current status of frameworkd and andy-tracking? What do I need to do, to make framework talk to modem? Currently I'm trying to manually enable it with echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter\:i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on but still have some errors |
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| 11:02.02 | dagger|work | errors like: http://pastebin.com/md4c8456 |
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| 11:32.51 | gfather | hello guys , good morning |
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| 11:33.20 | gfather | anyone knows how to fix this http://pastie.org/356075 |
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| 11:42.26 | max_posedon | dagger|work, I don't know what is *andy-tracking" |
| 11:43.15 | dagger|work | max_posedon: Andy's 2.6.28 kernel. I'm trying to get it up and running with current git framework |
| 11:44.22 | dagger|work | gfather: I'm afraid you're using Makefile which is out of date. I don't think it's maintained any longer |
| 11:44.32 | gfather | whats the src for om-2008.8 ? |
| 11:44.51 | gfather | dagger|work thats from the wiki ;S |
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| 11:45.07 | gfather | how should i fix it ? |
| 11:45.07 | dagger|work | gfather: I know. Wiki is _very_ out of date :S |
| 11:45.32 | dagger|work | gfather: what do you want to do? Build ASU image or run it on qemu? |
| 11:45.47 | gfather | ahhh , and its not a 1 click task , there is so much libraries and stuff needed , so if the wiki is old , it could result in too much incopabaility stuff |
| 11:46.20 | max_posedon | but it is now problem to access gsm via dbus, making calls/etc. |
| 11:46.27 | gfather | <dagger|work i want qemu so i can develop some stuff |
| 11:46.31 | max_posedon | dagger, I can't help you with this... |
| 11:46.57 | dagger|work | gfather: it will be very hard to get qemu to run, as you need stuff from .... like april/may 2008 |
| 11:47.19 | gfather | so what should i do ? |
| 11:47.20 | dagger|work | gfather: let me take a look if I don't have it somewhere on my disk |
| 11:47.31 | gfather | oks |
| 11:48.13 | dagger|work | gfather: what arch are you using? x86 or x86_64? |
| 11:48.21 | gfather | x86 |
| 11:49.41 | dagger|work | damn. I've got some stuff, but it's precompiled for x86_64. Can you try to get just qemu to compile than? |
| 11:51.02 | gfather | let me see what i can do :S |
| 11:51.24 | dagger|work | gfather: you should be able to "make qemu" |
| 11:52.11 | gfather | its compiling |
| 11:53.38 | dagger|work | gfather: I never managed to run gta02 on qemu, but what I've got (based on Andrzej Zaborowski's work) works ok with recent images for GTA01 |
| 11:53.58 | dagger|work | gta02 doesn't offer many advantages on qemu anyway |
| 11:54.20 | gfather | well it dont matter for me if its gta01 or gta02 , as what i want is om-2008.8 |
| 11:54.48 | dagger|work | you will need to download om-2008.8-gta01.jffs2 than |
| 11:54.59 | dagger|work | I will prepare the rest of the files for you |
| 11:55.40 | gfather | great :) , at last its gonna work |
| 11:58.19 | gfather | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ no gta01 ? |
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| 12:01.09 | Ghiottone | I fear they really have dropped support for gta01 |
| 12:01.35 | Ghiottone | which makes me unhappy as a gta01 owner |
| 12:03.34 | gfather | i searched http://downloads.openmoko.org/ , cant find om-2008.8-gta01.jffs |
| 12:03.58 | gfather | someone updates the wiki :S |
| 12:04.29 | gfather | new comers are having more unneeded trouble with that wiki |
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| 12:04.56 | gfather | Ghiottone what om ur using ? |
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| 12:06.51 | Ghiottone | gfather, actually I'm not using gta01 atm. I just read about this on the community mailing list |
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| 12:07.29 | gfather | :S |
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| 12:07.57 | dagger|work | gfather: you might want to try gta02 image too - http://downloads.openmoko.org/obsolete-images/Om2008.8/ |
| 12:08.08 | Ghiottone | gfather, I have yet to see an official mail though. so there's hope |
| 12:08.37 | gfather | dagger|work ok , im downloading it |
| 12:09.04 | kd8ikt | why use old images? |
| 12:09.11 | kd8ikt | go for something like http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta01/ |
| 12:09.43 | kd8ikt | 08-Jan-2009 sounds better to me than 09-Jan-2008 |
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| 12:11.05 | dagger|work | gfather: I've uploaded tarball for you here: http://patches.piasek.co.uk/Qemu.tar.bz2 |
| 12:11.12 | dagger|work | once you download and extract it, delete qemu dir and replace it with your (x86) one |
| 12:11.23 | kd8ikt | just want to throw that out there, the foldername is named "obsolete" for a reason |
| 12:11.37 | dagger|work | than download jffs2 image and place it in images/root.jffs2 |
| 12:11.53 | dagger|work | that go to scripts and run ./flash.sh and ./qemu-auto.sh |
| 12:12.19 | dagger|work | flash will flash virtual NAND based on jffs2 image you provided and qemu-auto will run it |
| 12:13.36 | gfather | great |
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| 12:14.07 | dagger|work | you might also want to take a look on scripts/env to adjust your environment |
| 12:14.13 | gfather | but now im confused with images , should i get the gta02 or gta01 from <kd8ikt link |
| 12:15.15 | dagger|work | qemu will work in GTA01 mode. |
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| 12:15.40 | dagger|work | you might want to try. If that won't help, than you've got 2008.12 |
| 12:16.02 | dagger|work | http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ - it's got image for gta01 |
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| 12:20.03 | reSpawn | any info on battery life? |
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| 12:23.32 | kd8ikt | no offense but i havent cared for the openmoko.org images in a long while |
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| 12:24.46 | kd8ikt | just shr and fso |
| 12:25.13 | kd8ikt | bearstech and freesmartphone |
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| 12:28.25 | gfather | <dagger|work so i have to rplace root.jffs2 with the one i downloaded ? |
| 12:28.34 | dagger|work | gfather: yes |
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| 12:30.46 | kd8ikt | omfg why is enlightenment eating 80% cpu |
| 12:31.10 | gfather | when i run qemu-auto.shnothing happens |
| 12:31.15 | gfather | when i run qemu-auto.sh nothing happens |
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| 12:33.41 | gfather | <dagger|work ? |
| 12:34.00 | dagger|work | gfather: did you run flash? |
| 12:34.15 | dagger|work | did it flash successfully? |
| 12:35.23 | gfather | U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. |
| 12:35.47 | dagger|work | gfather: you should see something like http://pastebin.com/m789ee465 |
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| 12:37.45 | gfather | <dagger|work i tried 2 imgaes , gta01 and gta02 , same error when flashing |
| 12:37.56 | dagger|work | gfather: can you pastebin it? |
| 12:38.30 | gfather | yes , im doing it |
| 12:38.41 | gfather | http://pastebin.com/m3997ba70 |
| 12:38.46 | dagger|work | also please ls -ls images |
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| 12:39.28 | dagger|work | gfather: ./flash.sh: line 70: /home/mjfahmi/moko/build/qemu/scripts/../qemu/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: cannot execute binary file |
| 12:39.45 | dagger|work | did you replace my qemu dir with your one (x86)? |
| 12:40.04 | gfather | i deleted mine , and replaced with urs , |
| 12:40.07 | gfather | daaams |
| 12:40.10 | gfather | daaaams |
| 12:40.13 | dagger|work | gfather: my one is precompiled for x86_64 so you wont run it. You need you replace it |
| 12:40.13 | gfather | n |
| 12:40.21 | dagger|work | ^^ |
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| 12:41.48 | gfather | i got it back , it working ;) |
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| 12:42.36 | dagger|work | did you boot it? |
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| 12:44.22 | gfather | still not |
| 12:44.49 | gfather | yes i booted :) |
| 12:46.05 | gfather | <dagger|work does it take too long to boot ? |
| 12:46.49 | dagger|work | gfather: define too long? FR boots in around 2min on 2008.8 and around 1min on 2008.1 |
| 12:46.52 | dagger|work | 12* |
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| 12:47.52 | gfather | im still waiting for the screen to show :S |
| 12:48.35 | dagger|work | qemu boots faster than real hardware. You should have the screen by that time. What image are you using? |
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| 13:11.33 | Daramarak | I am currently building a prototype application for the moko, I built it in python but Ill want to use c++ to speed it up a bit. Are the c++ std libraries available on the distriubtions or do I have to make them a part of the package? |
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| 13:13.04 | raster | yes they are |
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| 13:13.42 | Daramarak | good... how about boost libraries? |
| 13:15.13 | gfather | <dagger|work man im waiting all that time , and its still a blank screen |
| 13:15.20 | soul9 | hah |
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| 13:15.41 | soul9 | transfer initiated, in a little more than a wekk i'll have my freerunner \âº/ |
| 13:15.47 | soul9 | week* |
| 13:15.49 | Tuju | is there a dfu-util for windows? |
| 13:16.04 | dagger|work | gfather: what image are you trying? |
| 13:16.24 | gfather | http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ |
| 13:16.36 | gfather | gta02 flash didntwork , only gta01 worked |
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| 13:17.22 | gfather | <dagger|work will xoo give me same results ? |
| 13:17.25 | dagger|work | gfather: ok can you pastebuin any logs? |
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| 13:18.03 | gfather | <dagger|work where the logs sgould be ? |
| 13:18.08 | gfather | should |
| 13:19.39 | dagger|work | gfather: what happens when you run ./qemu-auto.sh |
| 13:19.46 | dagger|work | does it produce any log? |
| 13:20.03 | gfather | its starts |
| 13:20.14 | gfather | i press on boot |
| 13:20.57 | gfather | when its finished booting , and should show the om , i get a blank screen |
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| 13:22.26 | jopk | hi |
| 13:23.45 | jopk | I've got this buzz - problem with my phone. As far as I got it this is a hw issue, so what's next? is there a recommend fix already? |
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| 13:24.04 | gfather | back |
| 13:24.45 | lindi- | jopk: 1) go stand near a window so that GSM uses less power 2) use bluetooth/usb headset 3) apply the unofficial hw fix or get somebody do it 4) wait for hw fix to be made official |
| 13:26.36 | lindi- | jopk: those are all current options i know |
| 13:27.09 | jopk | ok I'm waiting for 4) ... hope it will be soon. |
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| 13:28.08 | lindi- | jopk: you let your phone gather dust while waiting? |
| 13:28.25 | gfather | whats the svn for 2008.8 ? |
| 13:28.28 | jopk | no, why? |
| 13:29.17 | jopk | but it's the second hw issue. (gps sd problem). normally this would be a case of warranty |
| 13:29.41 | lindi- | jopk: gps sd is not an issue, software fixes it |
| 13:30.21 | jopk | another question: can I still flash images and uboot back after I've installed qi |
| 13:30.50 | lindi- | jopk: and it fixes the problem better than hardware too. it disabled the clock and sets it to use lower power. the hardware "fix" would only try filter it out |
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| 13:31.31 | lindi- | jopk: uboot and qi are boot loaders. you can write them to boot loader partition as many times as you like |
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| 13:32.23 | jopk | but don't I need nor menu to flash? |
| 13:33.25 | gromez | lindi-: we can reflash with uboot after qi is in nand ? |
| 13:34.22 | lindi- | gromez: with uboot on nor sure |
| 13:34.41 | lindi- | jopk: you use the nor uboot |
| 13:35.00 | gromez | lindi-: thanks, i'll give a try to qi later ;) |
| 13:35.34 | jopk | lindi, does qi have a nor, too? ir am I mixing things up ... :( |
| 13:36.10 | lindi- | jopk: ? |
| 13:36.19 | lindi- | jopk: you can not write to nor without debug board |
| 13:36.59 | jopk | so I can't mess it up :) |
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| 13:37.19 | lindi- | afaik not |
| 13:37.46 | lindi- | it's designed to be unbrickable |
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| 13:56.04 | jopk | I had my freerunner with me on holdays on the Canary Islands. I've tried gps with tango gps at home, worked well. on the island I didn't get a single fix, max satellite number was 3, but not enough for fix. it didn't have a single could in the sky. can somebody explain this? |
| 13:56.34 | jopk | at home (germany I've normally about 8 satellites |
| 13:56.57 | jopk | but gps should work all over the world, shoudn't it? |
| 13:57.46 | Wonka | think so |
| 13:57.58 | Wonka | and the Canaries are not exactly polar too |
| 13:58.24 | Wonka | you have been outside and standing still for at least 15 minutes? |
| 13:58.30 | jopk | yes |
| 13:58.36 | jopk | more than once |
| 13:59.20 | Wonka | mh, no idea then |
| 13:59.39 | jopk | maybe the software was confused because of the sudden change of the location? or does the water confuse gps? |
| 14:01.45 | evolux | my system is not usable anymore after opkg upgrade on fso |
| 14:01.56 | evolux | does someone have a similar experience? |
| 14:03.17 | evolux | for example, uboot won't load the kernel |
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| 14:04.40 | Slaxxer | reflash |
| 14:04.58 | AntonTakk | evolux: perhaps the 2 mb kernel limit uboot has by default? |
| 14:05.00 | Slaxxer | try shr |
| 14:05.20 | evolux | AntonTakk: ah ok |
| 14:05.56 | AntonTakk | evolux: wiki has instructions, or you can flash qi |
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| 14:06.11 | evolux | AntonTakk: ah, thanks. and qi is stable enough? |
| 14:06.55 | AntonTakk | it has quirks, but mostly things like not wanting to work the first time, not always wantiong to resume, nothing incredibly major |
| 14:07.40 | AntonTakk | i flashed it to my fr more than a month ago, hasn't caused any real problems |
| 14:07.47 | evolux | cool |
| 14:08.09 | evolux | i'll try it |
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| 14:12.23 | evolux | erm, the wiki says that Qi looks at the /boot folder of a partition on the uSD-card |
| 14:12.30 | evolux | how can i tell it to use the kernel on the flash? |
| 14:12.48 | evolux | it booted on my machine, but it did not use the newer 2.6.28 kernel |
| 14:12.57 | evolux | don't know where it took the kernel from |
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| 14:15.21 | gfather | why its so damn hard to emulate openmoko ? |
| 14:15.39 | gfather | errors errors , erros , not working , errors |
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| 14:18.03 | evolux | very strange |
| 14:18.16 | evolux | so for the next time: never ever do "opkg update; opkg upgrade" |
| 14:18.50 | evolux | i have to go |
| 14:18.52 | evolux | bye! |
| 14:18.57 | evolux | and thank you very much for your help |
| 14:19.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r07f7f090e8e8 10/fsod/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add separate debug_option group. Now fsod requires vala-0.5.4. (Thanks playya) |
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| 14:33.38 | uhsf | how to set file system mount points for the sd card? |
| 14:34.57 | uhsf | i have /, swap and /home partitions and i can't find the part of the wiki where these can be configured. |
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| 14:35.18 | uhsf | do i need to edit /etc/fstab? |
| 14:35.22 | Rayan | hello |
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| 14:51.46 | uhsf | the Neo FreeRunner partitions wiki page is very unhelpful |
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| 14:53.57 | spydon | uhsf, then rewrite it ;) ;) |
| 14:54.21 | uhsf | spydon: do you know how to set up partitions? |
| 14:54.50 | uhsf | shr on a sd card won't boot from qi |
| 14:54.54 | Daramarak | Using bt headset for the om2008.12 works fine? I am considering buying a cheap Jabra BT headset for my moko. |
| 14:55.14 | spydon | uhsf, no idea... |
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| 14:59.46 | Slaxxer | who said bt works on moko? |
| 15:00.10 | Slaxxer | headset? |
| 15:00.16 | spydon | Slaxxer, it doesn't have a GUI but it works fine via the terminal |
| 15:00.25 | Slaxxer | ok |
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| 15:02.43 | Torikun | Anyone get Android running on the freerunner? I just flashed it and it does not load |
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| 15:03.04 | bernt | uhsf: do you have created the uImage-GTA02.bin link in /boot ? |
| 15:03.16 | bernt | (on the SD) |
| 15:04.04 | Daramarak | Should be quick to make a simple applet that turns bt headset on and off. |
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| 15:04.36 | uhsf | bernt: i created a /boot/append-GTA02 |
| 15:04.42 | AntonTakk | Torikun: id you follow the instructions and create a vfat partition and an ext3 partition on the sd card (in that order)? |
| 15:04.54 | uhsf | bernt: containing console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 15:04.56 | spydon | Torikun, do you have qi? |
| 15:05.08 | Torikun | ah ok |
| 15:05.10 | Torikun | let me do that |
| 15:05.21 | spydon | the default bootloader can't load the android kernel because it is too big |
| 15:05.53 | uhsf | me i only have ext3 partitions on the sd card. i was told yesterday that qi can boot from ext3. is that right? |
| 15:06.03 | bernt | uhsf: my /boot/append-GTA02 has: root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1 |
| 15:06.17 | bernt | only one partition on SD |
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| 15:06.55 | uhsf | bernt: if i want swap and /home, i have to edit /etc/fstab? |
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| 15:08.10 | bernt | uhsf: I think so, but where do you want to have swap? swap on SD-Card is not a good idea. |
| 15:08.33 | Sargun_screen | bernt: why not? |
| 15:08.36 | uhsf | i'll add root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 and rootdelay=1 and try again |
| 15:09.02 | Torikun | how can I creat the partitions ? |
| 15:09.08 | uhsf | bernt: why is swap on microSD-Card not a good idea? |
| 15:09.16 | uhsf | too slow? |
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| 15:09.24 | bernt | Swap on SD and the life of your card will be short ... |
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| 15:10.22 | uhsf | that's urban legends that flash memory has short life span |
| 15:10.26 | bernt | also the options in /etc/fstab should have the noatime flag. |
| 15:10.58 | uhsf | i've had an ssd drive for 3 years now on intensive use and not a single fail |
| 15:11.20 | cb22 | uhsf, indeed. |
| 15:11.26 | uhsf | i bet my card will last longer than the freerunner |
| 15:11.46 | bernt | I dont know how short it will be but in swap you have much more write ops than in the other regions. |
| 15:12.13 | Torikun | How can I format the SDd card without an os on the freerunner? |
| 15:12.20 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r59855d9afbcf 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: odeviced: powercontrol_neo: use wmiconfig to enable/disable wlan0 |
| 15:12.20 | Torikun | Trying to install android |
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| 15:14.41 | uhsf | Torikun: i went through this yesterday. first step is to set up usb networking between your pc and your phone. |
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| 15:14.59 | Torikun | uhsf: no os is on there |
| 15:15.12 | bernt | uhsf: Do you had swap on your ssd drive (24h/d) ? |
| 15:15.53 | uhsf | bernt: yes, a full arch linux with swap and everything as my only pc for the last 3 years |
| 15:16.22 | bernt | good to know ;-) |
| 15:16.34 | uhsf | bernt: those were the very first samsung 32GB ssd to ever come out |
| 15:17.18 | bernt | but I dont trust the micro SD so much as a normal SSD ... |
| 15:18.25 | Tuju | is there a dfu-util for windows? |
| 15:19.14 | bernt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util-windows |
| 15:19.38 | Tuju | bernt: thanks. |
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| 15:37.09 | uhsf | wow. i just booted into shr. |
| 15:37.34 | ronny | hmm |
| 15:37.45 | ronny | the new phone palm announced looks neat |
| 15:38.11 | zash__ | ronny: indeed |
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| 15:38.35 | ronny | the ui is reasonable fast |
| 15:38.48 | ronny | not crawling like the stuff on my fr |
| 15:39.04 | uhsf | ronny: i was expressing how incredibly surprised i was here yesterday about the palm pre |
| 15:39.40 | ronny | yeah |
| 15:39.45 | uhsf | i'm always very impartial, logical and rationnal you know |
| 15:40.07 | uhsf | i'm never excited about phones in general |
| 15:40.25 | ronny | however it shows the undoubtfull difference betwen "a bunch of linux kids" and pros |
| 15:40.49 | uhsf | but the palm pre just sets new standards for linux phones in 2009. as simple as this. |
| 15:41.14 | frankS2 | palm pre? url plz |
| 15:41.33 | ronny | ops, just closed it |
| 15:41.56 | frankS2 | is it linux based? |
| 15:42.13 | uhsf | it's like the palm pre is alone in it's class leaving everything openmoko, android, iphone, etc. far behind |
| 15:42.40 | uhsf | they even managed to offer a wireless charger |
| 15:42.52 | uhsf | that's just over the top |
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| 15:43.27 | frankS2 | looks neat |
| 15:43.53 | uhsf | their market shares went up 35% after the annoucement it's insane |
| 15:45.27 | ronny | is it really linux based? |
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| 15:45.44 | uhsf | it is |
| 15:45.48 | ronny | kinda sad |
| 15:45.55 | uhsf | why |
| 15:45.59 | ronny | linux is a fscking sucker for that device class |
| 15:46.12 | uhsf | sucker? |
| 15:46.19 | ronny | various parts of linux are totally x86 centric |
| 15:46.31 | uhsf | linux is the best for everything to me |
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| 15:47.06 | ronny | for me linux is just the least messed up pile of shit for the time being |
| 15:47.40 | uhsf | if my freerunner can't get stable and faster until the pre is released i might buy the thing |
| 15:47.44 | ronny | and its totally braindead for non-x86 things |
| 15:48.00 | ronny | uhsf: then you will buy the pre for sure |
| 15:48.09 | uhsf | palm will surely have managed to figure out stability and speed |
| 15:48.30 | uhsf | + they have the keyboard that i miss from the freerunner |
| 15:48.37 | ronny | and they dont have a history of fuckups and scrap overs in the public |
| 15:48.51 | uhsf | 3g i don't care much though |
| 15:49.37 | uhsf | they just failed to put an oled screen in there that would have been real cool |
| 15:50.52 | uhsf | i hope openmoko people are following this new release closely i'm surprised not much people here give their opinion |
| 15:51.36 | ronny | uhsf: i belive most people are like "duh, still a pile of crap, lets do something intresting" |
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| 15:53.20 | uhsf | on technological stand point this is probably the most revolutionnary thing of 2009 and maybe history of cellphones |
| 15:53.29 | uhsf | why. because it's linux |
| 15:54.03 | uhsf | it's huge for everything linux and opensource world |
| 15:55.19 | uhsf | i even noticed the apple fanboys that are usually loud at trolling in the tech blogs, they totally shut up on this release |
| 15:55.48 | uhsf | they're probably crying in their corner or something |
| 15:55.59 | idarwin | You don't think all the stylish apps are going to be open source do you? I'll bet it's like OS X; the OS is open source and all the apps are not. Time will tell if I'm wrong. Even so, if you can add your own apps and actually talk to the device in a useful way, it's a good step for a big co to take. |
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| 15:57.13 | uhsf | idarwin: it's linux so there are millions apps available. people will get it. screw the app store |
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| 15:57.41 | mjr | and you don't know what you're talking about |
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| 15:58.27 | uhsf | mjr: where am i mistaken? |
| 15:58.58 | mjr | you jump to an awful lot of conclusions based merely on the thing running linux |
| 15:59.07 | mjr | almost every one of which is unwarranted |
| 15:59.16 | mjr | well, everyone |
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| 16:00.12 | uhsf | every linux device i know please my open source interest |
| 16:01.24 | uhsf | it's maybe only the set of 'nix tools that gives that freedom |
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| 16:02.27 | uhsf | anything openmoko, android, maemo, linux wrt routers |
| 16:02.40 | mjr | tivo? :] |
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| 16:03.02 | uhsf | anything to move the crowd away from M$ and apple |
| 16:03.32 | uhsf | in that sense, the palm pre is a win |
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| 16:53.42 | uhsf | i'd like to express again my satisfaction of booting into shr for the first time this morning |
| 16:54.09 | uhsf | anyone else using shr here? |
| 16:54.17 | Tm_T | sure, many |
| 16:54.33 | uhsf | any ideas i should be aware of? |
| 16:54.50 | uhsf | my first impression is very good |
| 16:55.23 | Tm_T | uhsf: don't enable shadows |
| 16:55.35 | uhsf | i was not a fan of enlightenment but i suppose it's well done here |
| 16:56.14 | uhsf | Tm_T: of course i'm gonna configure the thing all the way to minimalism |
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| 16:56.39 | uhsf | i noticed the slowness of the sd card |
| 16:57.00 | uhsf | it's the first time i try anything with the fr |
| 16:57.16 | uhsf | i had 2007.2 since early july |
| 16:57.30 | Tm_T | uses Qtextended and SHR |
| 16:57.43 | uhsf | i feel like having a brand new phone today |
| 16:58.31 | uhsf | i noticed the blue power button led that had never show up before |
| 16:59.11 | uhsf | shr software selection seems fine |
| 16:59.35 | uhsf | i like midori it was connected directly to the web, very cool |
| 17:00.00 | uhsf | it gives me the root user warning though |
| 17:00.06 | kd8ikt | ah wtf latest fso zhone wont pop up the incall window |
| 17:00.35 | max_posedon | he-he, uhsf, many bad things wait you in the future) |
| 17:00.39 | uhsf | do you set up another user on the freerunner? or do you stay root? |
| 17:00.44 | kd8ikt | so do people apply patches ot what |
| 17:00.59 | max_posedon | shr-sms app, for example, receive not all smses |
| 17:01.18 | max_posedon | I can read them directly via dbus, but not via application. |
| 17:01.37 | badcloud | I accidentally edited /etc/X11/Xsession instead of Xserver |
| 17:01.39 | uhsf | max_posedon: that's why i'll buy the palm pre when it comes out |
| 17:02.03 | badcloud | anyplace to redownload file instead of flashing the filesystem again? |
| 17:02.07 | uhsf | 'til then shr seems an improvement over 2007.2 |
| 17:02.21 | max_posedon | as for me - I really like SHR project, and really *hate* all, that didn't created around dbus |
| 17:02.56 | uhsf | i don't understand, shr has no dbus? |
| 17:03.37 | uhsf | ok, some apps don't do dbus |
| 17:04.09 | kd8ikt | like wifi apps |
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| 17:04.21 | kd8ikt | or lack there of |
| 17:04.21 | uhsf | i'm gonna install again with the imminent new release may be it has improved |
| 17:04.30 | badcloud | could someone just send me theirs? |
| 17:04.44 | uhsf | so, do you set up another user on the freerunner? or do you stay root? |
| 17:05.13 | kd8ikt | badcloud: you could try getting the rootfs.tgz |
| 17:05.24 | kd8ikt | extract then copy the missing file |
| 17:05.29 | badcloud | right, thanks |
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| 17:12.39 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-, raster: OK, so why did these apps NOT segfault before, and they DO now? :\ |
| 17:12.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Methinks it's illume's fault... |
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| 17:13.46 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: what apps? |
| 17:14.04 | max_posedon | uhsf, I don't need another user) and actually I didn't use gprs/wifi often |
| 17:14.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Happens to the dialer, contacts, messages (SMS) and alarm clock apps. |
| 17:14.47 | uhsf | max_posedon: ty. how to avoid gtk root warnings? |
| 17:15.18 | kd8ikt | oh well i just grabbed the git of zhone and it seems to work now http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/zhone;hb=HEAD |
| 17:15.37 | max_posedon | uhsf, I just ignore them. |
| 17:16.01 | kd8ikt | heh yeah look the other way and you wont see them |
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| 17:19.50 | uhsf | i'm deceived gps doesn't work out of the box in shr |
| 17:21.11 | uhsf | max_posedon: does your icons on shr home screen are a little cut out at bottom? |
| 17:21.37 | uhsf | seems it should have been laid out better |
| 17:21.58 | kd8ikt | gps should work |
| 17:22.45 | kd8ikt | is fso-gpsd running? insta;;ed? |
| 17:23.12 | spydon | uhsf, when you get more icons you can scroll through them |
| 17:23.38 | uhsf | spydon: i don't get how to scroll |
| 17:23.44 | kd8ikt | cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron is it on? 1=on |
| 17:23.47 | max_posedon | uhsf, hm... no, if I currect they looks fine, and yes I need to scroll) |
| 17:24.08 | spydon | just drag the finger from the bottom and up if you shall scroll down |
| 17:24.15 | max_posedon | uhsf, just put you finger at bottom and "move up" |
| 17:25.13 | uhsf | is there a more informative website than the shr project blog? |
| 17:26.26 | uhsf | i found it http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ |
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| 17:33.43 | Ainulindale | uhsf: the URLs are in the blog. |
| 17:33.50 | Ainulindale | In the last post! |
| 17:34.03 | Ainulindale | uhsf: And GPS is supposed to work, we had a problem with latest OE. |
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| 17:45.54 | uhsf | well, i'm very happy to have made the best software choice for my freerunner at first time, shr |
| 17:47.18 | badcloud | anyone here get a libfakekey0 dependency error when trying to install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod on shr? |
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| 17:48.46 | uhsf | badcloud: is that matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod really better than the default shr keyboard? |
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| 17:49.11 | uhsf | because i think the default shr keyboard is really good |
| 17:49.14 | badcloud | hmmm, probably not. I just wanted to install a more fingerfriendly one |
| 17:49.45 | uhsf | ok, i'd like to have a dvorak variant though |
| 17:49.53 | uhsf | it seems i would have so much to do to fine tune the interface to my liking, but i don't really have time for this, i prefer working on my pc instead, or do school homeworks y know |
| 17:50.09 | badcloud | I hear that |
| 17:50.25 | badcloud | but for sms'ing, you have to have a one-hander |
| 17:51.50 | uhsf | anyway i feel like i'm linux pro because i successfuly installed shr on the freerunner i'm happy with that |
| 17:52.37 | badcloud | it does feel nice, yes |
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| 17:55.50 | badcloud | apropos sms, anyway to actually send one to a contact instead of having to dish out the full phone number each time? |
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| 18:22.49 | Dave | :) |
| 18:23.04 | Dave | hei badcloud :] |
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| 18:34.00 | catzilla | does openmoko os support 3g hardware? |
| 18:37.35 | catzilla | pm me if you know |
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| 18:41.25 | badcloud | hey there Dave |
| 18:41.37 | badcloud | how are things? |
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| 18:49.09 | docscrutinzrflu | moin |
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| 19:03.40 | Dave | Joerg :) |
| 19:03.59 | docscrutinzrflu | hi dave! |
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| 19:04.52 | docscrutinzrflu | why didn't anybody tell catzilla about Harald's recent work for glofiish M800? |
| 19:05.37 | Dave | hehe |
| 19:05.42 | Dave | meow? |
| 19:06.32 | docscrutinzrflu | catzilla eat glofiish? ;-) |
| 19:06.40 | Dave | rawr :D |
| 19:06.43 | docscrutinzrflu | yuppy |
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| 19:10.01 | docscrutinzrflu | s/p/g/g |
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| 19:11.23 | Dave | Crap, I need to jump start this freerunner |
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| 19:12.54 | docscrutinzrflu | Dave: tztztzzz. you never learn ;) |
| 19:14.04 | docscrutinzrflu | didn't you manage to keep a spare bat yet? |
| 19:14.49 | docscrutinzrflu | waaah, -36°C in D-funtensee |
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| 19:15.40 | Dave | :o |
| 19:15.52 | Dave | Joerg, yeah, but I don't have any here with me right now |
| 19:16.05 | docscrutinzrflu | :-( |
| 19:16.10 | Dave | So I may have to find something else or just connect a power supply |
| 19:16.24 | docscrutinzrflu | yup |
| 19:17.57 | docscrutinzrflu | well 30sec charge with ~1A should be easy. Meanwhile the occasional exploding bat shouldn't scare you anymore, I guess :) |
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| 19:20.16 | docscrutinzrflu | you might consider to upgrade to a decent Vsys-cap eventually |
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| 19:22.08 | Dave | Yeah :[ |
| 19:22.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * raf483ebeb700 10/src/ (consts.vala obj.vala): damn signal not getting called :/ |
| 19:22.22 | Dave | haha, true Joerg :P |
| 19:22.26 | Dave | exploding is normal now :P |
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| 19:24.01 | docscrutinzrflu | alas we still haven't achieved to implement this for a selfdestruct mechanism to MP ;-P |
| 19:24.13 | Dave | hehehe :P |
| 19:24.16 | Dave | yeah |
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| 19:27.10 | RedFlash | hi, is it somehow possible to swotch to the old |
| 19:27.23 | uhsf | i try to ssh to the freerunner but i get this error: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 19:27.31 | RedFlash | keyboard design from FSO in OM2008.12 ? |
| 19:27.48 | Dave | uhsf, add a route for it on your pc |
| 19:27.51 | Dave | for usb0 |
| 19:28.09 | Dave | also make sure the interface is up and configured correctly |
| 19:28.56 | uhsf | it's weird everything was set up fine earlier and i didn't change anything |
| 19:29.14 | Dave | did you try reconnecting? |
| 19:29.22 | Dave | (physically) |
| 19:29.33 | Dave | especially if you use any sort of autoconf or hotplug scripts on your pc |
| 19:29.38 | uhsf | yes |
| 19:30.14 | uhsf | i installed the openmoko-usb-networking package for arch linux |
| 19:30.32 | uhsf | but i don't know how it works exactly |
| 19:31.10 | Dave | :o |
| 19:31.15 | Dave | yeah, I have no idea |
| 19:31.18 | uhsf | does the switch from 2007.2 to SHR changes something in networking? |
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| 19:37.10 | Dave | Joerg, I'm still thinking about that 810... unless there's something better :) |
| 19:37.37 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Nokia? |
| 19:38.02 | Dave | yeah |
| 19:40.15 | DocScrutinzrFlu | just rebooted unadvertedly. Otherwise its nice |
| 19:40.23 | Dave | :P |
| 19:40.26 | Dave | okay |
| 19:41.59 | Tm_T | nothing fancy in it |
| 19:42.28 | mmp | tifereth: ping |
| 19:42.37 | Tm_T | though not bad either, except perhaps some undocumented bits in hardware I guess |
| 19:42.49 | Tm_T | undocumented as in closed |
| 19:43.01 | Tm_T | dunno how much is left though |
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| 19:44.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf78a6d92cf8c 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:44.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] resend the DSP command on every call setup. |
| 19:44.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: I'm not convinced and there is no evidence that this is necessary, |
| 19:44.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: but I'm sick of discussing this over and over again, hence it goes in. |
| 19:44.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This closes #253 for good. |
| 19:45.54 | DocScrutinzrFlu | mickeyl: :) |
| 19:46.02 | mickeyl | nah |
| 19:46.04 | mickeyl | rather :( |
| 19:46.08 | mickeyl | this pollutes the code |
| 19:46.12 | mickeyl | not feeling good about it |
| 19:46.44 | DocScrutinzrFlu | we'll eventually clean it upnagain with MOKO11 |
| 19:46.59 | Dave | heh moko11 |
| 19:48.47 | DocScrutinzrFlu | mickeyl: i wouldnt be surprised to find it *should* be sticky, but is a flaw in calypso-fw |
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| 19:50.18 | Dave | apt calypso? |
| 19:50.38 | DocScrutinzrFlu | mickeyl: Dieter should be able to figure it out |
| 19:51.03 | Wonka | DocFlu: get better... |
| 19:51.19 | mickeyl | well |
| 19:51.24 | mickeyl | dieter already said it's close to impossible |
| 19:51.28 | mickeyl | this stuff is in DSP |
| 19:51.35 | mickeyl | he shouldn't bother |
| 19:51.39 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Wonka: feeling like no fever first day this year. Thanks |
| 19:51.43 | mickeyl | #1024 and then calypso is done IMO |
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| 19:52.58 | Dave | Wonka :D |
| 19:53.05 | DocScrutinzrFlu | mickeyl: #1024 is near to impossible cause close to dsp. setting audio parameters sticky shouldnt be hard |
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| 19:53.35 | apollo13 | hi guys, I flashed android on the freerunner, and it tells me that the kernel crc sums missmatch, which howto should I follow to get it working? |
| 19:53.41 | Wonka | i'd like some easier way to start and stop ppp-over-gprs than using a terminal emulator |
| 19:53.45 | Dave | Joerg, you must be ill, that sentence made no sense :D |
| 19:53.54 | Dave | Wonka, don't we all :) |
| 19:54.00 | Wonka | and also, i'd like a way to have the terminal gray on black |
| 19:54.09 | Wonka | black on white is ugly. |
| 19:54.34 | Dave | haha, you'd hate me, Wonka :p |
| 19:54.50 | Dave | pink on black :D |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Dave: this sentence is sloppy but has meaning. Just you dont get it |
| 19:55.06 | Dave | it's like the fortune cookie, Joerg |
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| 19:55.26 | Dave | Profound, confusing, yet whoever originally wrote it thought it made sense [to them] :) |
| 19:55.30 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Dave: apt calypso? has *is* senseless tho |
| 19:55.32 | toggles_w | toggles_w: !!!!! |
| 19:55.41 | Dave | hahah wtf |
| 19:55.47 | Dave | toggles, excited to see yourself? :P |
| 19:56.04 | toggles_w | i wanted someone to talk to me so i could see my name highlighted |
| 19:56.11 | toggles_w | it didn't work |
| 19:56.13 | Dave | aww |
| 19:56.39 | Wonka | Dave: urghs. gay? ;) |
| 19:56.44 | Dave | :D |
| 19:56.47 | Wonka | Dave: i'd rather take green on black |
| 19:57.02 | Dave | Yeah, I also find that darker or off colors work best |
| 19:57.12 | Dave | you really have to tone the brightness down or it kills your eyes |
| 19:57.27 | Dave | you have to use a dark gray or else your eyesight goes quick :P |
| 19:57.32 | Dave | or something |
| 19:57.38 | DocScrutinzrFlu | wtf are U talking bout? |
| 19:57.38 | Dave | the usual terminal colors are pretty terrible |
| 19:57.43 | Dave | Joerg :P |
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| 19:59.23 | toggles_w | seriously... there has to be a better way to make a living than look at sql on friday afternoons.. |
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| 20:02.13 | Dave | bleh |
| 20:02.23 | *** part/#openmoko Alinermedia (n=jaranda@201.143.102.22.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 20:02.24 | Dave | toggles, you a dba? ;p |
| 20:02.26 | Dave | or dbw? |
| 20:03.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf734551d4231 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 20:03.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: only reinit UnsolicitedCommand channel. |
| 20:03.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Kill reenabling timer if we're suspending before the timer hits. |
| 20:04.30 | toggles_w | Dave: embedded developer, mainly comms/protocol conversions, wtf i have to deal with sql these days is beyond me |
| 20:05.41 | toggles_w | it's nearly beer:30 though, trouble is with the snow predicted it's going to be tough to get to and from the pub ;-) |
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| 20:07.28 | Wonka | toggles_w: if it only was sql... i do java. |
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| 20:08.53 | toggles_w | mmm java, i heard thats gehy... |
| 20:08.56 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 20:08.58 | DocScrutinzrFlu | *yawn* terminator3 censorcrippled to "free >12" :-/ |
| 20:09.15 | uhsf | why i can't ping the neo anymore? |
| 20:09.38 | uhsf | is sshd startec automatically in shr? |
| 20:09.40 | Tm_T | uhsf: because it talks pong now |
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| 20:11.01 | Dave | toggles, you getting the snow too? :D |
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| 20:11.13 | Dave | joerg o.O |
| 20:11.20 | uhsf | i can ping the web from the neo but not the pc |
| 20:11.27 | Dave | haha |
| 20:11.28 | Dave | funny |
| 20:11.41 | Tm_T | Dave: we have ~40 cm snow and -25 °C here |
| 20:12.37 | Dave | Awesome! |
| 20:12.37 | Dave | Are you in Austria too? |
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| 20:12.38 | Tm_T | Dave: nah, that's way too south for me |
| 20:12.38 | Tm_T | too sunny and all |
| 20:12.38 | Dave | :o |
| 20:12.38 | Dave | north pole? |
| 20:12.38 | Tm_T | nah, that's too sunny in summer |
| 20:12.42 | Tm_T | Eastern Finland |
| 20:12.46 | Dave | :D |
| 20:12.54 | Dave | Suomi |
| 20:13.01 | toggles_w | Dave: yeah, lots of snow |
| 20:13.06 | Tm_T | that, that's the one, one yes |
| 20:13.57 | Dave | miten itsellänne on pullat uunissa? |
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| 20:14.18 | uhsf | i'm in the north of quebec, but finland is still northern than me |
| 20:14.18 | Dave | balrogkun :o |
| 20:14.36 | Dave | uhsf, parlez-vous? |
| 20:14.48 | toggles_w | uhsf: how far up? sept illes? |
| 20:15.06 | uhsf | toggles_w: chicoutimi |
| 20:15.19 | Dave | Where is you, Mr. Toggles? |
| 20:15.30 | toggles_w | pittsburgh |
| 20:15.33 | Dave | :o |
| 20:15.43 | Dave | come skiing with me in NY :) |
| 20:17.24 | toggles_w | sounds like fun |
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| 20:17.33 | uhsf | i rebooted the neo and now i can ping. what happened? |
| 20:17.35 | Dave | :) |
| 20:17.40 | Dave | throws a snowball at toggles |
| 20:17.47 | Dave | Let the games begin! |
| 20:17.58 | toggles_w | throws some yellow snow at Dave |
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| 20:18.25 | Dave | ewwwww |
| 20:18.35 | toggles_w | Dave: catch that! |
| 20:19.11 | uhsf | Tm_T and i would win the games we have many times more snow |
| 20:20.18 | DocScrutinzrFlu | watch out where the huskies go... |
| 20:20.43 | DocScrutinzrFlu | dont you eat that... |
| 20:20.44 | balrog-kun | hey Dave |
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| 20:22.41 | uhsf | is it possible that when wifi is turned on in shr, the usb0 link dies? |
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| 20:23.07 | uhsf | i think that's what happened |
| 20:25.08 | Dave | Joerg ;p |
| 20:25.22 | Dave | balrogkun, you played with the latest kernel yet? |
| 20:25.27 | Dave | toggles, it's snowing! |
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| 20:27.02 | balrog-kun | Dave: on the GTA? nopes |
| 20:27.04 | uhsf | i get a ssh host key warning since i installed shr |
| 20:27.14 | balrog-kun | i have a quite recent one on my netbook though :) |
| 20:28.08 | uhsf | i don't understand how to edit .ssh/known_hosts |
| 20:28.34 | uhsf | for the new ssh host key |
| 20:28.56 | Dave | heh |
| 20:29.02 | Dave | poor uhsf, still having problem? |
| 20:29.10 | Dave | problems |
| 20:29.44 | uhsf | the shr seem to have change ssh host key |
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| 20:31.18 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nJn6rZdtI |
| 20:33.57 | piko | Hi, I get the debugboard and I have some troubles as I do not know how to connect it. Is there any introductory text with images? Why are the screws (not sure by the proper word)? |
| 20:34.05 | piko | ... included? |
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| 20:35.33 | Dave | :P |
| 20:36.16 | piko | Ok, I only need to know which USB port should be connected. |
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| 20:37.01 | Dave | Joerg, how did you get sick this time? |
| 20:37.23 | DocScrutinzrFlu | 25C3 i'd guess |
| 20:37.31 | uhsf | i only needed to delete everything in .ssh/known_hosts since shr had changed the ssh host key |
| 20:37.41 | Dave | uhsf, then easy |
| 20:37.43 | Dave | that happens often |
| 20:37.46 | DocScrutinzrFlu | as my colleague got sick same day... |
| 20:37.54 | Dave | Joerg :x |
| 20:37.55 | balrog-kun | piko: there's one mini USB port and two full size |
| 20:37.58 | Dave | So Openmoko got you sick? :D |
| 20:38.00 | balrog-kun | piko: connect to the mini USB |
| 20:38.19 | uhsf | shr colored bash prompt in blue and green :-D |
| 20:38.37 | Dave | sounds like shr |
| 20:38.39 | Dave | :P |
| 20:38.40 | piko | balrog-kun: ok, mini-usb to computer and normal USB to openmoko? |
| 20:38.41 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Dave: unfortunately i really dont need OM to get sick. |
| 20:38.48 | Dave | It's a virus! |
| 20:38.54 | balrog-kun | ahtrax! |
| 20:39.02 | Dave | Now we have confirmation! |
| 20:39.16 | balrog-kun | piko: nope, mini-usb to computer and the debug board cable to openmoko |
| 20:39.41 | balrog-kun | piko: a flat and wide connector |
| 20:39.44 | piko | balrog-kun: ok, great, any manual? |
| 20:39.57 | piko | For beginning woth debugboard? |
| 20:40.04 | balrog-kun | i don't know of any |
| 20:40.45 | balrog-kun | i think when i got my debug board i just tried out all the combinations until the leds started to flash in happy colours |
| 20:41.56 | piko | balrog-kun: Great, I like this way (hearing that it did not break it:-) |
| 20:43.55 | piko | balrog-kun: but in that case OM wont be powered |
| 20:44.51 | balrog-kun | piko: ah yes, you can connect the OM's usb port to the debug board or to pc for power |
| 20:45.34 | balrog-kun | when i use the debug board's (full-size) usb port i can never communicate witht he phone over it |
| 20:45.52 | frankS2 | craphat |
| 20:45.57 | balrog-kun | and by the way.. |
| 20:46.00 | balrog-kun | A Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. |
| 20:46.05 | balrog-kun | (spoken in robot voice) |
| 20:46.26 | piko | balrog-kun: so the network does not work over it? |
| 20:46.29 | piko | balrog-kun: V |
| 20:46.47 | piko | balrog-kun: or more \V/ |
| 20:47.03 | balrog-kun | piko: it works when i conect the OM to my PC directly |
| 20:47.10 | uhsf | tangoGPS doesn't show my posisition |
| 20:47.13 | balrog-kun | (apart from the debug board connection) |
| 20:47.21 | DocScrutinzrFlu | negotiation of maxI via usb hub is tricky |
| 20:47.23 | balrog-kun | connect* |
| 20:47.53 | DocScrutinzrFlu | usually U wont get even 500mA |
| 20:48.50 | DocScrutinzrFlu | so better dont connect neo via debubo usb |
| 20:49.14 | uhsf | why tangoGPS doesn't show my posisition? |
| 20:49.22 | uhsf | s/si// |
| 20:49.37 | uhsf | :-) |
| 20:49.48 | uhsf | you see what i meant |
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| 20:55.07 | Dave | Explosion. |
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| 20:56.06 | Dave | Boom! |
| 20:56.45 | DocScrutinzrFlu | about time Dave. you're late today ;-) |
| 20:56.50 | uhsf | please help me get my position from tangoGPS it's the last thing i want to set up then i'll leave you alone all week i promise |
| 20:57.27 | Dave | fso-gpsd |
| 20:57.30 | Dave | tangogps |
| 20:57.34 | Dave | wait outside |
| 20:57.42 | Dave | haha Joerg |
| 20:57.42 | toggles_w | in the snow? |
| 20:57.47 | Dave | anywhere |
| 20:57.55 | balrog-kun | Extension. |
| 20:58.07 | Elleo | also if you're using shr make sure you have initscripts-shr not initscripts |
| 20:58.13 | Dave | Don't leave it outside unattended for a prolonged duration if it is -25C |
| 20:58.29 | toggles_w | i hate -25c |
| 20:58.34 | uhsf | nvm, i just clicked the screen and it appeared somehow |
| 20:58.41 | toggles_w | caught that up in sept illes, never again |
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| 20:58.51 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:58.51 | toggles_w | uhsf: fracken magic |
| 20:58.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | FR seems to have few problems other than WSOD |
| 20:59.02 | Dave | I like making "illegal modifications" to my freerunner. |
| 20:59.09 | Dave | Joerg, alas |
| 20:59.27 | DocScrutinzrFlu | with -25 that is |
| 20:59.38 | Dave | haha, yeah :P |
| 20:59.43 | Dave | snap crackle pop |
| 20:59.55 | Dave | and I'm not talking breakfast cereals here |
| 20:59.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | WSOD should be fixed in recent kernel |
| 21:00.02 | Dave | really!? |
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| 21:00.06 | Dave | I don't believe. |
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| 21:00.28 | toggles_w | praises the DocScrutinzrFlu, we will make a believer of the Dave |
| 21:01.22 | uhsf | i have a great shr set up now, ty all for the help it was two beautiful days, see you all soon after the official shr release then maybe i'll decide to flash it on the nand for more challenge. have a nice week-end. |
| 21:06.29 | Dave | threatens toggles with his jumper cables |
| 21:06.40 | Dave | I'll give you the Moko Torture |
| 21:06.56 | doc|home | what's that? make him use it as his phone? |
| 21:06.57 | doc|home | :) |
| 21:07.06 | Dave | doc! |
| 21:07.11 | doc|home | hey :) |
| 21:07.11 | balrog-kun | that's evil! |
| 21:07.14 | Dave | (the other one) |
| 21:07.17 | Dave | Balrogkun >:) |
| 21:07.20 | balrog-kun | how can you suggest something like this |
| 21:07.23 | Dave | Muwahahahahahhaha |
| 21:07.23 | doc|home | hah |
| 21:07.25 | balrog-kun | inhumane |
| 21:07.53 | Dave | Hey, I don't see it violating the Geneva Convention :p |
| 21:07.56 | Dave | bwahahahaha |
| 21:08.06 | Dave | go moko go! |
| 21:10.03 | balrog-kun | i dunno |
| 21:10.12 | henk | i fscked up the u-boot env, now i seem to have the defaultenv, how can i get a working nand u-boot again? |
| 21:10.31 | balrog-kun | Dave: i though they have a paragraph on phone calls and echo there? |
| 21:10.37 | balrog-kun | or they forgot to include that one |
| 21:12.02 | badcloud | all settings are displayed 'unknown' in the gui? |
| 21:12.09 | Dave | haha |
| 21:12.13 | badcloud | (no gsm, to boot) |
| 21:12.30 | Dave | :X |
| 21:13.18 | DocScrutinzrFlu | balrog-kun: echo been fixed with patch announced here [20:41] <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] resend the DSP command on every call setup. |
| 21:13.20 | Slaxxer | reboot |
| 21:14.02 | Dave | and J, what about #1024? |
| 21:14.08 | Dave | What was the supposed fixx for that!? |
| 21:14.17 | Dave | or is there none? |
| 21:14.47 | badcloud | tried rebooting |
| 21:15.02 | badcloud | last time I rebooted, only the gsm was 'unknown' |
| 21:15.11 | badcloud | (meaning not working) |
| 21:15.18 | badcloud | I think it might be an apm thing |
| 21:15.25 | badcloud | but I didn't touch any settings |
| 21:15.31 | DocScrutinzrFlu | Dave: #1024 still under investigation |
| 21:15.58 | badcloud | hmmm, maybe it could be with the fso echo cancellation technique I implemented? |
| 21:16.12 | Dave | Joerg, and WSOD? |
| 21:16.21 | Dave | technique? o.O |
| 21:16.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinzrFlu: no news at all about it? I think now you gained a capable EE for testing your ideas who can easily reproduce #1024, and that's good :) |
| 21:16.24 | balrog-kun | DocScrutinzrFlu: i wasn't serious.. i knew they don't have this section in geneva convention :P |
| 21:16.31 | Dave | :D |
| 21:16.59 | DocScrutinzrFlu | but, as mentioned before (in the senseles sentence;) it's hard as this bugger is close to hw, and we have no source |
| 21:17.12 | Dave | yeah :) |
| 21:17.27 | Dave | I'd give you a pat on the back, Joerg, but I don't want your germs :) |
| 21:18.20 | badcloud | ummm, http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414|a1518726 |
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| 21:18.57 | doc|home | so, what's closest to a usable distro for phone use these days? |
| 21:19.36 | Dave | :x |
| 21:19.36 | DocScrutinzrFlu | well, I'll follow Werner's advice and get me some jaegermeister to kill the remaining germs ;-) |
| 21:20.15 | PaulFertser | Good plan :) |
| 21:20.28 | Dave | bleh :P |
| 21:20.49 | DocScrutinzrFlu | badcloud: not polite to urge ppl to follow a link to know what u r talking bout |
| 21:21.10 | badcloud | I wasn't urging, I was explaining what I did |
| 21:21.10 | Dave | Aftermarket moko modifications!? |
| 21:21.13 | DocScrutinzrFlu | (esp if theyre using a tablet) |
| 21:21.20 | badcloud | which might have cancelled out gsm |
| 21:21.26 | Dave | biomoko warfare!? |
| 21:21.30 | badcloud | but I don't think that did it |
| 21:21.42 | badcloud | I reverted back and still no gsm |
| 21:21.48 | badcloud | argggg |
| 21:21.50 | DocScrutinzrFlu | duh, what?? |
| 21:22.00 | badcloud | again |
| 21:22.13 | badcloud | the link I posted was something I tried to cancel the echo |
| 21:22.20 | badcloud | now I don't have gsm |
| 21:22.23 | DocScrutinzrFlu | !h, the gsm-flashing story? |
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| 21:23.06 | DocScrutinzrFlu | *sigh* |
| 21:23.12 | badcloud | what gsm-flashing story? |
| 21:23.30 | johnsu01 | In trying to build shr-testing, I'm getting a lot of messages like fatal: failed to unpack tree object d3b1136d29f88fa7bfcbedb6a195724e071cad77 |
| 21:24.11 | badcloud | ok, it's an ophonekitd seg fault |
| 21:24.21 | Dave | D: |
| 21:24.30 | DocScrutinzrFlu | "... new image... no buzz..." *siiighhh* |
| 21:24.35 | DocScrutinzrFlu | :x |
| 21:24.41 | Dave | bzzzzzzzzzt |
| 21:24.42 | badcloud | what are you on about, Doc? |
| 21:24.48 | Dave | s/about// |
| 21:24.56 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:25.10 | Dave | Presumably, medications, to make him better :) |
| 21:25.16 | DocScrutinzrFlu | no JM yet :-( |
| 21:25.26 | Dave | Aw |
| 21:25.33 | DocScrutinzrFlu | gonna change that now. |
| 21:25.38 | Dave | okay |
| 21:25.39 | badcloud | confound it, I don't know which file to replace... |
| 21:27.24 | DocScrutinzrFlu | * DocScrutinzrFlu is now known as DocScrutinizer_buzz-cant-be-fixed-by-new-image |
| 21:28.45 | almien | people use it as a phone? ;) |
| 21:28.50 | henk | whats the default ip config for shr? |
| 21:29.10 | almien | had one for a year, not made a phone call yet... |
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| 21:32.06 | DocScrutinzrFlu | cya |
| 21:32.28 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 21:32.32 | almien | henk: 192.168.1.202? |
| 21:32.50 | badcloud | anyone know where ophonekitd resides in the fs? |
| 21:32.56 | badcloud | (shr) |
| 21:33.45 | badcloud | to be more specific, it reports seg fault after Entering glib main loop |
| 21:34.03 | badcloud | so maybe it's a component rather than the daemon |
| 21:34.47 | henk | almien: ah, no 192.168.0.202, but it seems to not work at the first boot... |
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| 21:41.08 | Dave | ehh |
| 21:43.57 | badcloud | man, tar -t | grep takes a *ckload of time |
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| 21:50.57 | lindi- | badcloud: of course since there is no index |
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| 21:52.14 | badcloud | makes sense |
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| 21:58.38 | toggles_w | says Iiiiiiitt's BEEEER:30!!!! |
| 21:58.45 | Tm_T | ok |
| 21:59.44 | toggles_w | hands Tm_T a beer |
| 22:00.10 | Tm_T | no thank you |
| 22:00.49 | Tm_T | unless it's non-alcoholic |
| 22:01.25 | toggles_w | damn... so to you, linux is free as in ...? |
| 22:01.36 | Tm_T | beer |
| 22:01.41 | Tm_T | no no, as in freedom |
| 22:02.08 | toggles_w | hmm.. |
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| 22:08.43 | almien | free as in Vores Ãl ? |
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| 22:12.23 | Dave | BEERS? |
| 22:12.32 | azaghal | What? Where? |
| 22:12.36 | azaghal | Free? |
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| 22:27.49 | Dave | THE BEAGLEBOARD IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUTE |
| 22:28.02 | Dave | or so says my girl :p |
| 22:28.08 | Tm_T | ok |
| 22:28.13 | badcloud | isn't it? |
| 22:28.24 | Dave | It is nice, especially some of the nice third-party cases |
| 22:28.29 | badcloud | makes me wanna chuck the FR and get one |
| 22:28.38 | Dave | hehahaa |
| 22:28.40 | badcloud | haven't seen any cases |
| 22:28.42 | Dave | maybe it could make calls better |
| 22:28.44 | Dave | :P |
| 22:28.49 | badcloud | probably... |
| 22:28.51 | Dave | smirks at Joerg |
| 22:28.55 | holycow | what is beagleboard? |
| 22:29.10 | SpeedEvil | beagleboard.com |
| 22:29.14 | holycow | doh! |
| 22:29.18 | SpeedEvil | it's a small linux box |
| 22:29.23 | SpeedEvil | like the |
| 22:29.31 | SpeedEvil | phone PCB |
| 22:29.42 | holycow | oh aha! |
| 22:29.43 | SpeedEvil | but with a more powerful processor, and no phone stuff |
| 22:29.45 | holycow | iiiinteresting |
| 22:30.16 | holycow | oh wow so you could like add a thumb kb to it and an lcd and hac up a case and go |
| 22:30.17 | holycow | neato |
| 22:30.51 | holycow | could run debian on that i'm sure |
| 22:34.56 | johnsu01 | Why does wiki.openmoko.org log me out in a matter of minutes? It's making editing unnecessarily difficult.. |
| 22:35.49 | Dave | holycow yeah :D |
| 22:35.51 | Dave | it's awesome |
| 22:35.57 | Dave | I wonder how it compares to the pandora |
| 22:36.30 | holycow | does anyone know if thumb keyboards can be bought separately for something like this? |
| 22:36.56 | Dave | Probably |
| 22:36.59 | Dave | That's a good question though |
| 22:37.04 | Dave | Now I'm interested :) |
| 22:37.13 | holycow | thats what it comes down to for me |
| 22:37.24 | Dave | :) |
| 22:37.28 | holycow | i can rig up lcd whatever to these and mount them on any hackings ugly thing |
| 22:37.32 | holycow | i don't care about the case |
| 22:37.44 | holycow | the kb though ... i've always wanted one for something like this |
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| 22:38.34 | holycow | although, i just pictured my self trying to bring this through an airport with a case all duct taped together |
| 22:38.45 | holycow | no better way to get your self cavity searched |
| 22:38.47 | holycow | lol |
| 22:39.21 | holycow | oh 256mb nand flash memory + 128mb ram |
| 22:39.32 | holycow | so you would haveto be very judicious in the software you ran on it |
| 22:39.52 | holycow | lol, you can plug it into a 17" monitor |
| 22:39.53 | holycow | lol |
| 22:40.09 | holycow | add a laptop hd and a good battery system and you are laughing |
| 22:40.32 | Dave | hahaha |
| 22:41.13 | holycow | they have debian and ubuntu already on this thing |
| 22:41.13 | Dave | holycow, either that, or caught and detained for questioning as a possible terrorist, when traveling at an airport with that thing :) |
| 22:41.14 | holycow | lol |
| 22:41.21 | Dave | yeah, it's sweet, right? |
| 22:41.22 | holycow | hehe |
| 22:41.27 | holycow | dude, thats killer |
| 22:42.24 | Dave | :D |
| 22:43.12 | holycow | the usb power on this arm makes sense |
| 22:43.25 | holycow | i don't think you can power an atom with usb |
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| 22:45.41 | holycow | these things can have daughter cards? |
| 22:45.42 | holycow | what? |
| 22:45.49 | holycow | Dave: check out page 107 of the manual |
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| 22:46.04 | Dave | :o |
| 22:47.01 | holycow | Dave: have you looked at the pc104 stuff recently? |
| 22:47.04 | holycow | i haven't |
| 22:47.08 | Dave | nope |
| 22:47.11 | Dave | I am now :) |
| 22:47.12 | holycow | i looked at that about 2 or 3 years ago |
| 22:47.18 | holycow | probably they have tons of new options |
| 22:47.23 | holycow | maybe even with atom cpus i bet |
| 22:47.34 | SpeedEvil | atom is irrelevant |
| 22:47.44 | SpeedEvil | until intel comes up with a sub 1W chipset |
| 22:47.56 | SpeedEvil | or more sanely, a sub 1W CPU and chipset |
| 22:48.15 | holycow | true, i only bring up atom as i want to be able to run desktop apps on iphone / gphone style devices |
| 22:48.33 | Dave | woot |
| 22:48.59 | Dave | heh |
| 22:49.05 | Dave | woot, daughterboards |
| 22:49.06 | Dave | :p |
| 22:49.35 | SpeedEvil | wonders what happens if you plug two daugterboards together. |
| 22:49.51 | leinir | ...universe implodes? ;) |
| 22:49.53 | holycow | iLesbian |
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| 22:51.02 | SpeedEvil | When intel and mobiles come together. http://fukung.net/v/5559/giraffe_vs_plane.jpg |
| 22:51.18 | holycow | hehehe |
| 22:51.32 | holycow | its really an issue with x86 architecture right? |
| 22:51.33 | Dave | haha |
| 22:51.51 | Dave | holyraster |
| 22:51.52 | SpeedEvil | holycow: basically |
| 22:52.18 | SpeedEvil | holycow: i86 decoding and execution uses a lot of transistors, due to the legacy compatibility and stuff. |
| 22:53.01 | holycow | SpeedEvil: question ... so when i look at an arm 600mhz cpu ... how can i tell just 'what' you can run on it |
| 22:53.09 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 22:53.12 | holycow | obviously the graphics subsystem is the key so ... |
| 22:53.23 | SpeedEvil | holycow: First, benchmarks. |
| 22:53.26 | holycow | this thing looks like it can handle basid ogl stuff which is good enough |
| 22:53.33 | SpeedEvil | holycow: however, in the absence of that. |
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| 22:53.47 | holycow | yep? |
| 22:54.08 | SpeedEvil | holycow: you might consider it as say as fast as a fast 300MHz processor. |
| 22:54.19 | holycow | oh okay |
| 22:54.29 | holycow | thats not too bad |
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| 22:54.37 | cb22 | depressing :( they need to make a 4.8ghz arm processor |
| 22:54.39 | SpeedEvil | holycow: assuming you're not emulating FPU, or using MMX on the 300MHz processor |
| 22:54.47 | holycow | as long as one isnt editing 40 meg jpg or odt files you should be okay |
| 22:54.48 | SpeedEvil | cb22_: Oh - though you |
| 22:54.49 | Dave | :O |
| 22:54.54 | holycow | SpeedEvil: right |
| 22:54.55 | Dave | hah |
| 22:55.15 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, "though you"? |
| 22:55.18 | SpeedEvil | ve probably fo0rgotten, my earlier networking problem was due to having two default gateways setup, one incorrect |
| 22:55.37 | cb22 | ah |
| 22:55.39 | SpeedEvil | has no clue why it worked at all for some sites. |
| 22:56.03 | Dave | random |
| 22:56.08 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, heh, check http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A-Hatchet-Job.aspx |
| 22:56.10 | raster | giggles @ atom |
| 22:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Atom would be quite interesting. |
| 22:56.32 | raster | giggles at everyone getting all oooh-aaah about atom |
| 22:56.41 | SpeedEvil | If the 'under 1W' figure was for the whole system. |
| 22:56.46 | raster | SpeedEvil: dunno. i dont want all the legacy crud |
| 22:56.50 | Dave | :p |
| 22:56.50 | SpeedEvil | CPU +chipset |
| 22:56.56 | Dave | giggles at raster |
| 22:57.02 | SpeedEvil | raster: I don't care, if they make it work. |
| 22:57.03 | cb22 | giggles |
| 22:57.06 | raster | my beagleboard is matching my via mini-itx @ 1ghz |
| 22:57.13 | cb22 | takes the vodka away from #openmoko |
| 22:57.18 | raster | at a tiny fraction of the power consumption |
| 22:57.25 | holycow | it just doesn't seem to me like they could get greater than 1ghz type of performance if the description of x86 are anything to go by |
| 22:57.25 | Dave | aw |
| 22:57.28 | raster | no heatsinks or fans |
| 22:57.52 | SpeedEvil | holycow: as raster says, there is a vast difference in performance between 'ARM' chips. cache, pipelining, ... |
| 22:57.57 | raster | and the architecture is so much cleaner |
| 22:57.59 | holycow | 1ghz is the rough transition point on an x86 scale of where desktop apps start to hit 80% of everyones needs |
| 22:58.12 | cb22 | raster, how much power does that beagleboard use? |
| 22:58.30 | raster | cb22: the entire thng is under 2w |
| 22:58.38 | raster | i believe |
| 22:58.50 | cb22 | wow |
| 22:58.56 | Dave | :) |
| 22:59.02 | Dave | Raster, you get your pandora yet? |
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| 22:59.30 | holycow | raster: what do you mean the beagleboard is matching your via mini-itx @ 1ghz? |
| 22:59.35 | holycow | overall performance? |
| 22:59.41 | holycow | or just video decoding? |
| 23:00.01 | raster | in fact the omap3530 is more pwoerful than the via |
| 23:00.01 | cb22 | one thing is for certain, it has more video bus bandwidth then the freerunner :p |
| 23:00.02 | badcloud | ah, nothing says "I live alone" quite like a mouthfull of whipcream |
| 23:00.07 | badcloud | out the can |
| 23:00.16 | raster | as unliek the via which has gfx on a separate unichrome chip |
| 23:00.24 | raster | its inside the cpu die on the omap3530 |
| 23:00.40 | DocScrutinzrFlu | [23:49] <SpeedEvil> holycow: i86 decoding and execution uses a lot of transistors, due to the legacy compatibility and stuff. |
| 23:00.45 | raster | also you get a high-power dsp thrown in |
| 23:00.51 | cb22 | raster, if you could choose the processor for the next OM phone, what would you go with? |
| 23:00.51 | DocScrutinzrFlu | duh, what??!? |
| 23:00.55 | holycow | SpeedEvil: *nod* |
| 23:00.57 | raster | holycow: performance |
| 23:01.00 | raster | holycow: speed-wise |
| 23:01.04 | holycow | huh |
| 23:01.11 | raster | and its only @ 500mhz and memory is underclocked |
| 23:01.15 | SpeedEvil | votes for Z80. |
| 23:01.21 | holycow | interesting |
| 23:01.22 | raster | cb22: omap3 |
| 23:01.29 | raster | this baby is FASt |
| 23:01.30 | holycow | i'm going to buy one of those just to noodle around on |
| 23:01.39 | raster | it's > 4x faster than the 2442 in the gta02 |
| 23:01.47 | raster | and its only 500mhz |
| 23:01.47 | Wonka | aaah, btw... could someone make vala-terminal play some sound for a beep? |
| 23:01.49 | cb22 | and the s3c6xxx? |
| 23:01.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | SpeedEvil: z80 muahaha |
| 23:01.58 | SpeedEvil | raster: for CPU only tasks? |
| 23:02.05 | raster | missing dsp and advanced simd (neon) |
| 23:02.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: or is that counting the graphics? |
| 23:02.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: for cpu heav-tasks |
| 23:02.20 | raster | SpeedEvil: software rendering for evas |
| 23:02.25 | raster | so thats pretty cpu heavy |
| 23:02.27 | raster | :) |
| 23:02.32 | DocScrutinzrFlu | hifive raster |
| 23:02.34 | SpeedEvil | raster: nice |
| 23:02.42 | holycow | very interesting |
| 23:02.51 | raster | i am thouroughly impressed with it |
| 23:02.55 | SpeedEvil | '/me gors back to sleep. |
| 23:02.58 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 23:03.04 | holycow | is anyone pushing for arm architecture speedups beyond where they typically are now around 600mhz or so? |
| 23:03.06 | raster | and its ascually rated for runingn at 600mhz with a 166mhz mem bus (ddr) |
| 23:03.07 | cb22 | cheers |
| 23:03.15 | raster | its only at 500 & 133 at the moment |
| 23:03.26 | raster | so theres a good 20% to be gained there |
| 23:03.26 | DocScrutinzrFlu | mickeyl: true french dinner ;-) |
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| 23:03.35 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:03.35 | raster | and.. i havent done any neon asm yet for evas for speedups |
| 23:03.42 | raster | havent touched the 3d core |
| 23:03.51 | raster | and havent poked the dsp |
| 23:04.11 | raster | holycow: forget mhz - read the mhz myth |
| 23:04.17 | raster | but yes peolpe do |
| 23:04.22 | raster | one guy overclocked his 3530 ro 900 |
| 23:04.25 | holycow | okay |
| 23:04.29 | holycow | will digg in |
| 23:04.34 | holycow | thx for the info guys |
| 23:04.39 | raster | some of the arm cores from freescale and from qualcomm go @ 1ghz |
| 23:04.48 | raster | but it all depends on how much you can get done in 1 cycle |
| 23:04.59 | raster | a lot of the time thnigs take "3" or "5" cycles |
| 23:05.19 | raster | so 1ghz is useless if everything takes 3x as many cycles as on a 500mhz chip |
| 23:05.24 | raster | (of almost same arch) |
| 23:05.42 | raster | from what i have seen from the neon at least is that man it has pipelining down to a fine art |
| 23:05.52 | raster | 32x 64bit registers |
| 23:06.15 | DocScrutinzrFlu | gnah, fsck ghz-mania! i wanna have decent cpufreq dynamic clock, with ZERO-delay from uW to full power and back |
| 23:06.33 | Dave | holycow, aren't you glad I brought it up in the first place? :) |
| 23:06.39 | holycow | hehe! |
| 23:06.41 | holycow | yes! |
| 23:06.56 | raster | omap also shoudl have powermanagement down-pat |
| 23:06.58 | Dave | :) |
| 23:06.59 | holycow | this channel is the best i've ever run into for getting info |
| 23:07.00 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.09 | Dave | nice |
| 23:07.26 | raster | u can forget about suspend/resume.. if u can zero-clock |
| 23:07.34 | Dave | hot |
| 23:07.42 | DocScrutinzrFlu | holycow: should join one of the monday om-hw-meetings. loool |
| 23:07.51 | Dave | :D |
| 23:07.55 | Dave | Joerg, am I invited? |
| 23:07.59 | Dave | and do they serve food? :) |
| 23:08.32 | PaulFertser | Why don't they all build nice long-running "netbooks" on ARM then? There're some concepts, but they're not mass production yet, it seems. Can it be it's only because of incompatibility with legacy programs? Raster, you always dissappoint me with a sad truth of life, do it another time, please ;) |
| 23:08.38 | raster | it already handles cpufreq and multipel governors |
| 23:08.52 | Dave | hah |
| 23:08.55 | DocScrutinzrFlu | (food) useless, as you can't keep it ;-) |
| 23:09.04 | Dave | bah |
| 23:09.05 | Dave | :) |
| 23:09.07 | holycow | well windows doesn't run on arm |
| 23:09.19 | holycow | so i imagine thats the biggest issue |
| 23:09.19 | PaulFertser | holycow: that's what i call legacy software. |
| 23:09.21 | raster | http://www.celinux.org/elc08_presentations/TI_OMAP3430_Linux_PM_reference.ppt |
| 23:09.30 | holycow | PaulFertser: hehehe |
| 23:09.48 | Dave | haha |
| 23:09.56 | Dave | Paul :P |
| 23:10.06 | DocScrutinzrFlu | raster: wonder how long it will take us to push cpufreq |
| 23:10.15 | raster | PaulFertser: because a lot of makers think you need x86 for windows |
| 23:10.16 | Dave | forever and a day :( |
| 23:10.22 | raster | also a lot have no experience with arm |
| 23:10.23 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) |
| 23:10.25 | raster | its a different world |
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| 23:10.32 | raster | if you accept that all you need is linux |
| 23:10.33 | Dave | yes... |
| 23:10.42 | Dave | different |
| 23:10.42 | DocScrutinzrFlu | suspend is a hoax, a BIG mistake |
| 23:11.04 | Dave | false advertizing, false hopes, vaporware? |
| 23:12.00 | raster | and you are willing to say "well fuck it - linux is fine" then ytou need your hw dept to grok arm |
| 23:12.15 | raster | and they likely will resist from doing anyting that havent been doing for years |
| 23:12.26 | Dave | true |
| 23:12.30 | Dave | dinosaurs |
| 23:12.42 | raster | it a new architecture |
| 23:12.44 | raster | new software |
| 23:12.45 | raster | new os |
| 23:12.48 | raster | new everything |
| 23:12.50 | Dave | A NEW DAY |
| 23:12.54 | raster | but as such you will see netbooks with arm |
| 23:12.57 | raster | and mips |
| 23:12.58 | Dave | reminisces about judgement day |
| 23:13.02 | raster | they already exist |
| 23:13.07 | raster | just not in mass market int he west |
| 23:13.11 | Dave | THEY DO EXIST |
| 23:13.12 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:13.14 | raster | chinese makers are already pumping them out |
| 23:13.19 | Dave | fuck yeah, CHina! |
| 23:13.37 | DocScrutinzrFlu | fucking china |
| 23:13.48 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 23:13.51 | cb22 | yeah fucking awesome china |
| 23:13.58 | Dave | cheap china :P |
| 23:13.59 | cb22 | they're like chinese and shit |
| 23:14.02 | cb22 | yeah! |
| 23:14.53 | PaulFertser | is greatly dissatisfied with reality |
| 23:15.01 | PaulFertser | raster: Thank you a lot again! :) |
| 23:15.08 | DocScrutinzrFlu | we should dump linux central scheduler/dispatcher and set up a new cute embedded thing |
| 23:15.49 | raster | PaulFertser: hahahaha |
| 23:15.59 | holycow | raster: that is true. we are switching to linux on the desktop but without experience on arm even i'm a bit reticent to try something new. its funny how that works. willing to try so i'm getting the beagle to play with |
| 23:16.05 | holycow | lots of great stuff i learned about today |
| 23:16.11 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: read that ppt from ti |
| 23:16.27 | raster | turned off ticks (dynhz) |
| 23:16.30 | holycow | yes there is a new netbook comming out with an arm that i read about recently |
| 23:16.31 | DocScrutinzrFlu | *read* ppt? :D |
| 23:16.32 | raster | have cpufreq going |
| 23:16.55 | raster | and it will clokc up and down 125->250->500->550 |
| 23:17.21 | raster | it spends 95% of its time in c7 powerstate too |
| 23:17.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | <raster> PaulFertser: because a lot of makers think you need x86 for windows <- lemote are trying to get x86 instructions into their mipsel chips so 'doze can run on it |
| 23:17.36 | DocScrutinzrFlu | raster: yup, basically its the most easy simple thing you can do with a SoC |
| 23:18.21 | raster | look at the power conumption graph |
| 23:18.27 | raster | on slide 3 |
| 23:18.37 | DocScrutinzrFlu | suspend is a rotten pragma for this use |
| 23:18.43 | raster | Kamping_Kaiser: idiots :) |
| 23:18.51 | Dave | :) |
| 23:19.03 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: literally voltage and amp usage drosp to 0 |
| 23:19.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | raster, yeah :/ |
| 23:19.09 | Dave | WOW |
| 23:19.10 | raster | between "ticks" |
| 23:19.24 | holycow | Kamping_Kaiser: where do i know you from? #debian? |
| 23:19.25 | DocScrutinzrFlu | thats the way it should be |
| 23:19.30 | uhsf | how to test/trigger the ringtone/vibration? |
| 23:19.40 | raster | looks to be about 30ma @ 0.9v |
| 23:19.44 | raster | when it wakes up |
| 23:19.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | holycow, originally. we've bumped into each other around the traps though |
| 23:19.59 | raster | which is5% of the time |
| 23:20.11 | Dave | he's notorious |
| 23:20.12 | Dave | :) |
| 23:20.18 | holycow | lol well hi again |
| 23:20.26 | DocScrutinzrFlu | duh, why 5%? |
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| 23:20.35 | raster | so as such thats an average power usage of 1.35mw |
| 23:20.43 | raster | and thats NO SUSPEND |
| 23:20.53 | holycow | http://www.pcworld.com/article/156309/freescale_chases_199_netbook_with_new_processor.html |
| 23:20.57 | holycow | here is a netbook with arm |
| 23:21.10 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: thats probably wakeusp so powertop can poll system info |
| 23:21.11 | holycow | with a decent hd it should be capable of some reasonable performance i guess |
| 23:21.11 | raster | :) |
| 23:21.15 | DocScrutinzrFlu | raster: we re on same page wrt that |
| 23:21.19 | raster | see slide 3 |
| 23:21.20 | raster | :) |
| 23:21.26 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinzrFlu: what kind of scheduler are you proposing? some real-time strategy? Those who need it can use Xenomai, RTAI or smth, can't they? |
| 23:21.40 | raster | if u can get to 1.35w when idle |
| 23:21.43 | raster | why suspend? |
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| 23:22.02 | DocScrutinzrFlu | uW |
| 23:22.03 | raster | the 1200mah battery in the gta02 |
| 23:22.06 | raster | @3.7v |
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| 23:22.15 | leinir | Mmmm... nom ;) |
| 23:22.55 | raster | would run that cpu (ignoring all other system power usage which would be the same regardless of soc) for 137 days |
| 23:22.55 | Dave | eats leinir |
| 23:23.11 | leinir | meeps! |
| 23:23.11 | Dave | raster, daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn |
| 23:23.13 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: yeah. oops. meant mW |
| 23:23.14 | raster | :) |
| 23:23.18 | holycow | heh |
| 23:23.19 | raster | Dave: so "why suspend" |
| 23:23.25 | leinir | raster: That is pure nifty right there :) |
| 23:23.25 | Dave | Why indeed :D |
| 23:23.26 | raster | when you can get RUNTIME usage down to "0" |
| 23:23.27 | DocScrutinzrFlu | yup, but sorry guys, got me quite some JM to cure my flu finally, the Almesberger method. so C u l8er |
| 23:23.33 | Dave | ;) |
| 23:23.41 | raster | just make sure your processes really go into an idle state |
| 23:23.45 | Dave | Later Doc J |
| 23:23.49 | raster | youc na force this with a kill -SITSTOP |
| 23:23.50 | raster | err |
| 23:23.55 | raster | SIGSTOP |
| 23:24.03 | raster | to forcibly stop as many procs as u can |
| 23:24.05 | uhsf | how to listen to the ringtone? |
| 23:24.11 | raster | some procs of course cant do this |
| 23:24.22 | holycow | oh, freescale is going to use a cortex-a8 arm which can scale up to 1ghz? |
| 23:24.24 | raster | so you leave them run |
| 23:24.33 | DocScrutinzrFlu | right, but a custom dispatcher would prolly do a better job even |
| 23:24.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | holycow, nice. wonder if the bios/firmware is free or not |
| 23:24.41 | holycow | i read the mhz myth comments :) just neat to read |
| 23:24.41 | raster | but they are specially written/ensured that they dont poll or wake up more thn they have to |
| 23:24.57 | raster | then go and shut down peripherals/devices you dont need when you dont need them |
| 23:25.01 | raster | or set them to low-power mode |
| 23:25.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | last year or so has started to make me think i might be able to not buy intel again (which excites me somewhat) |
| 23:25.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | *not have to |
| 23:25.10 | raster | and they'll interrupt you when something interesting happens |
| 23:25.11 | holycow | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed ... especially if the bios is on a removable sd flash card ... lol |
| 23:25.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | holycow, haha |
| 23:25.21 | raster | as you never suspended.. you'll handle that interrupt instantly |
| 23:25.23 | Dave | very nice :) |
| 23:25.36 | raster | and if done right |
| 23:25.50 | raster | you'd likely get an incredible battery life |
| 23:26.02 | holycow | interesting |
| 23:26.04 | raster | of course the 1.35mw usage of the cpu is tiny comapred to the gsm module |
| 23:26.10 | badcloud | how's the suspend, wake on event and functions on resume status on a FR running on debian? |
| 23:26.12 | raster | which will chew orders of magnitude more |
| 23:26.15 | raster | same with wifi etc. |
| 23:26.22 | raster | so things you MUST keep running |
| 23:26.24 | DocScrutinzrFlu | raster: yup. nobody seems to like it. as thers stupid suspend-paradgm all around for decades |
| 23:26.38 | raster | will be your focus and how to make them go into the lowest power state while sitting idle |
| 23:27.26 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: i agree |
| 23:27.29 | raster | ugly ugly ugly |
| 23:28.12 | DocScrutinzrFlu | waves |
| 23:28.39 | raster | and then u have all the fine-tuning usage |
| 23:28.51 | raster | you can keep the cpu mostly idle just loading data form disk while playing mp3's |
| 23:28.52 | raster | or oggs |
| 23:29.03 | raster | and clock the dsp to a really low clockrate and have the dsp decode audio |
| 23:29.25 | raster | as per-watt its going to decode more mp3 |
| 23:29.33 | holycow | i think raster needs his own source of funding :) |
| 23:29.38 | holycow | i'd buy anything you sell dude |
| 23:29.39 | raster | so u'd end up with LOTs of music time |
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| 23:29.58 | leinir | *nods* nokia does that for media playback on maemo (their mantra is "use the DSP" ;) ) |
| 23:30.01 | raster | holycow: do i sound like a slimey salesman yet? :) |
| 23:30.18 | holycow | lol! no no bro, you sound like a siive of info |
| 23:30.24 | raster | holycow: i have been sceptical myself |
| 23:30.27 | holycow | i'm afraid to ask for fear of getting an answer! |
| 23:30.29 | holycow | lol |
| 23:30.40 | raster | i'm almost always skeptical - history has taught me to be |
| 23:30.43 | DocScrutinzrFlu | its like a vicious circle: need 1sec to awake from suspend for cpu, so we cant service perif jit. so we need to suspend perif too... :-( |
| 23:31.14 | raster | i do my homework. but once i'm convinced of something - chanes are i've been doing a large blob of research and i'm unlikely to be swayed from it :) |
| 23:31.21 | uhsf | to be sure that the newly installed shr will ring when i receive a call i'd like to listen to the ringtone. how to listen to the ringtone? |
| 23:31.27 | raster | holycow: don't know everythnig mate |
| 23:31.29 | raster | not everything |
| 23:31.32 | raster | by a long shot |
| 23:32.12 | raster | holycow: if you want to 7stir up some funding.. i'm all for it |
| 23:32.13 | raster | :) |
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| 23:32.57 | holycow | hehehe |
| 23:33.01 | holycow | oh man if i could ... |
| 23:33.10 | holycow | i'd rewrite kde in lisp |
| 23:33.11 | holycow | hehe |
| 23:33.12 | holycow | kiddin |
| 23:33.15 | raster | HAHAHAH |
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| 23:33.24 | Dave | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 23:33.41 | Dave | squishes holycow between two parentheses and crushes him |
| 23:33.48 | holycow | i do think we live in the fukcing dark ages on the pc tho |
| 23:33.51 | DocScrutinzrFlu | btw: they nmap'ed my N810 bat down during 5h on 25c3. thats ok, its just what i'd expect |
| 23:33.54 | Dave | seriously :( |
| 23:33.58 | Dave | where's my light processer |
| 23:34.01 | holycow | whenever my pc boots i get to see that fugly bios nonsense |
| 23:34.02 | raster | holycow: well.. stick around :) |
| 23:34.39 | holycow | i don't understand why bios companies cannot stick a linux kernel and some nice graphics stuff into the bootloader |
| 23:34.50 | holycow | and still keep their stupid proprietary crap locked away |
| 23:34.53 | Dave | hah |
| 23:34.53 | holycow | but what do i know |
| 23:34.55 | Dave | splash is flash |
| 23:35.01 | raster | holycow: heard of splashtop? |
| 23:36.16 | holycow | back |
| 23:36.23 | holycow | googles |
| 23:36.28 | holycow | sounds vaguely familiar |
| 23:36.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | dreaming of a class-A amp 2KW, and my matrass lying on the subwoovers. |
| 23:37.00 | holycow | oh is that the new stuff they are putting on some mobos? |
| 23:37.12 | holycow | i doubt that still removes the fugly bios ugliness on bootup |
| 23:37.15 | holycow | its just a lot faster now |
| 23:37.30 | holycow | raster: good point indeed |
| 23:37.45 | holycow | raster: any hints of any kind when that magic hardware you are wroking on comes to market? |
| 23:37.47 | holycow | lol :) |
| 23:37.51 | holycow | nm i know the answer to that |
| 23:37.58 | PaulFertser | just seen another stupid bios in a relatively new PC m/b that hangs hard on boot without a message because a usb flash stick is inserted. |
| 23:38.13 | holycow | PaulFertser: lol what? crazy |
| 23:38.23 | holycow | oh this splashtop stuff looks interesting |
| 23:38.50 | Dave | :D |
| 23:38.56 | raster | holycow: most of the bioses i have just pop up a single splash image and otherwise display nothing |
| 23:39.01 | raster | otr have an option for that |
| 23:39.04 | holycow | splashtop.com for thos wondering |
| 23:39.04 | Dave | haha, we're breaking your techie ass in tonight it seems, holycow ;) |
| 23:39.06 | Dave | and you like it :D |
| 23:39.07 | PaulFertser | holycow: i've seen that too times actually on different motherboards. I once forgot to take out my stick from a lab PC. It took us like 10 minutes to get what's changed and why it can't boot anymore :) |
| 23:39.30 | Dave | haw |
| 23:39.33 | holycow | heh |
| 23:39.37 | Dave | coco coco |
| 23:40.03 | holycow | this splashtop idea is very interesting ... one thought might be to load the real os in the background and somehow 'magically' hand over control to it when its done loading |
| 23:40.40 | holycow | so kind of like 'i need more power, boot the real os' and just wait until its done, but until then you just surf the web or whatnot |
| 23:40.42 | holycow | neat |
| 23:40.53 | Dave | hah |
| 23:41.06 | Dave | raster, is your bb up and running? |
| 23:41.11 | raster | yup |
| 23:41.20 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/' |
| 23:41.22 | PaulFertser | holycow: too complex for my liking. I'd prefer corebios. |
| 23:41.22 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 23:41.30 | raster | how do u think i have those numbers? |
| 23:41.31 | raster | :) |
| 23:41.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: isn't it coreboot? |
| 23:41.55 | Dave | heh |
| 23:41.57 | Dave | ;D |
| 23:42.02 | holycow | well coreboot is what probably loads this up |
| 23:42.04 | PaulFertser | lindi-: oh, yes. I mixed it with linuxbios or something ;) |
| 23:42.14 | Dave | OH and raster, I didnn't see, did you get your pandora yet? |
| 23:42.28 | holycow | splashbios is just a deployment image for coreboot ... they could deploy anything |
| 23:42.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: 2:42am here :p |
| 23:43.03 | PaulFertser | holycow: but you're talking about using a hypervisor and do something while "a real OS" is loading and so on... |
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| 23:43.12 | PaulFertser | holycow: Anyway, how often do you reload your PC ;) |
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| 23:44.21 | holycow | PaulFertser: lol good point ... i'm looking at my annoying ubuntu reminder thing that i have a new kernel ... *ahem* |
| 23:44.23 | holycow | hehe |
| 23:44.33 | raster | Dave: no. |
| 23:44.37 | raster | no panny still |
| 23:44.52 | Dave | damn |
| 23:44.58 | Dave | I await it's integration into your gang :) |
| 23:45.10 | Dave | I'd like to see some comparisons between the bb and the panny |
| 23:45.21 | DocScrutinzrFlu | pheeew, so nevermind i didnt pay mine yet |
| 23:45.39 | Dave | :x |
| 23:45.56 | DocScrutinzrFlu | n8 gnutoo |
| 23:45.58 | holycow | imagines that freescale i.mx515 arm processor in a moko |
| 23:46.04 | raster | Dave: they are the same thing |
| 23:46.07 | holycow | the funny thing about that product is that its only a form factor |
| 23:46.11 | raster | pannmy tho should have a lot mroe attached |
| 23:46.17 | raster | like wifi, kbd, screen etc. |
| 23:46.18 | holycow | there is no reason all of that cannot be made available on the moko |
| 23:46.36 | Dave | still |
| 23:46.53 | raster | holycow: none |
| 23:46.58 | raster | but om isnt using it |
| 23:47.03 | DocScrutinzrFlu | there IS reason: nobody wants to pay R&D |
| 23:47.03 | raster | thats their decision |
| 23:47.28 | Dave | Joerg, if you haven't noticed... we ARE the R&D :P |
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| 23:47.36 | holycow | lol |
| 23:47.40 | DocScrutinzrFlu | lol |
| 23:48.00 | DocScrutinzrFlu | not even me is, it seems |
| 23:48.02 | holycow | well they will get a few rounds to make some more efficient choices |
| 23:48.18 | holycow | lets see what happens |
| 23:48.30 | Dave | one can only hope |
| 23:48.43 | Dave | GTA04 to feature DUAL GLAMOs |
| 23:48.44 | holycow | man i thought we wer going to haveto wait 10 years to seen desktop style power on a celphone |
| 23:48.45 | holycow | its already here |
| 23:48.47 | holycow | damn |
| 23:48.59 | cb22 | Dave, OMG 14mbps!!!! |
| 23:49.06 | DocScrutinzrFlu | but Dave, in the end youre so damn right it isnt a joke anymore |
| 23:49.09 | Dave | hahaha |
| 23:49.15 | cb22 | thats, like, faster then USB1!! |
| 23:49.24 | Dave | yeah, I know. and that's what's sad :( |
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| 23:50.08 | DocScrutinzrFlu | wipes away a tear and wispers "night" |
| 23:50.16 | raster | well om doesnt want to throw away their work on gta02 |
| 23:50.19 | raster | so re-use as much as possible |
| 23:50.28 | raster | DocScrutinzrFlu: schlafen? |
| 23:50.29 | DocScrutinzrFlu | loool |
| 23:50.34 | cb22 | raster, aren't they using the s3c6400 for gta03? |
| 23:50.36 | DocScrutinzrFlu | yup |
| 23:50.49 | DocScrutinzrFlu | 6410 |
| 23:50.56 | raster | cb22: yes. |
| 23:51.07 | cb22 | raster, whats your opinion on that processor? |
| 23:51.09 | raster | (well 6410 - same series, same mins, same drivers) |
| 23:51.11 | raster | err pins |
| 23:51.16 | raster | cb22: pretty decent |
| 23:51.24 | raster | but... the omap3 i think has it beat |
| 23:51.39 | raster | the omap3 is faster per-clock by a fair bit |
| 23:51.50 | DocScrutinzrFlu | we can build crap even with a cray cpu |
| 23:51.55 | raster | they are probably on par 3d-gfx wsie |
| 23:51.59 | DocScrutinzrFlu | ;-) |
| 23:52.01 | raster | tho 6410 may have more chance of open 3d drivers |
| 23:52.18 | raster | the omap has a better simd (mmx/sse) unix (neon) by far |
| 23:52.19 | cb22 | DocScrutinzrFlu, at least with a cray you have enough video bandwidth to play 640x480 @ 30fps =) |
| 23:52.20 | Dave | Hey, OM's been doing it for a couple years now, right? ;) |
| 23:52.23 | Dave | cringes at Joerg |
| 23:52.29 | raster | and the omap also has a dsp and by far better power management |
| 23:52.49 | holycow | oh jesus :0 |
| 23:52.51 | holycow | :) |
| 23:52.52 | DocScrutinzrFlu | cb22: sure???? |
| 23:53.18 | DocScrutinzrFlu | we could hook up video by I2C |
| 23:54.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinzrFlu: your today's insights are amazing, lol :) |
| 23:54.28 | DocScrutinzrFlu | or use a CR2032 for battery |
| 23:54.36 | Dave | HDMI FREERUNNER? |
| 23:55.06 | morricone | I vote for DisplayPort |
| 23:55.09 | morricone | no fees |
| 23:55.33 | DocScrutinzrFlu | PaulFertser: sorry, seen my room's ceiling for 9days now. prolly getting sarcastic |
| 23:55.38 | holycow | i think that we missed the boat just a weeee bit |
| 23:55.53 | holycow | there were a few posts at the beginning of the lists about gaming on the moko |
| 23:56.01 | holycow | and the iphone seems to be really proving that point |
| 23:56.13 | Dave | mooooooooooooo |
| 23:56.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinzrFlu: 9 days ... That's bad. I hope your tempreture is at least near to norm now? |
| 23:56.26 | DocScrutinzrFlu | heard theres even duke nukem now |
| 23:56.41 | DocScrutinzrFlu | right now yes |
| 23:56.44 | holycow | if anything i thinkt thats still something that can be done, but a decent core interface plus an infrastructure to sell apps through would be needed |
| 23:56.47 | DocScrutinzrFlu | id guess |
| 23:57.15 | holycow | but that also qualifies as backseat coder kind of comment :) i'm not responsible for making sure everyone is paid over there so ... heh |
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| 23:57.57 | holycow | raster: may i ask if we are going to hear some sort of announcement in 09 or 10? |
| 23:57.59 | holycow | :) |
| 23:58.14 | raster | ? |
| 23:58.17 | raster | about what? |
| 23:58.45 | holycow | well you are working on some low power technology ... you keep on hinting at it minus nda stripping out usefull info |
| 23:58.53 | DocScrutinzrFlu | another zappa quote: got me three beers and a couple of down's, now i gonna get stiff, so f... U clowns |
| 23:58.56 | holycow | i'm just curious if there is a product i should be waiting for an when |
| 23:58.57 | holycow | :) |
| 23:59.06 | raster | la la la |
| 23:59.08 | raster | :) |
| 23:59.21 | holycow | lol |
| 23:59.33 | holycow | ah man, suspense is killing me. okay i can wait. i think. |
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