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| 00:41.11 | stu8ball | Hi. |
| 00:41.39 | stu8ball | I'm doing the Debian thing, using the install.sh, there's a serious serious problem: |
| 00:41.42 | stu8ball | root@om-gta02:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/debian |
| 00:41.44 | stu8ball | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' |
| 00:42.42 | quatrox | not good |
| 00:42.56 | quatrox | your kernel does not support ext2? |
| 00:43.04 | stu8ball | oh, don't know |
| 00:43.06 | quatrox | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 00:43.14 | stu8ball | 2.6.24 |
| 00:43.16 | stu8ball | ah |
| 00:43.36 | stu8ball | ah, it doesn't, apparently; there's ext3 though |
| 00:44.26 | quatrox | ext3 is ext2 without journalling |
| 00:44.36 | stu8ball | with |
| 00:44.38 | stu8ball | :P |
| 00:44.38 | elektranox | the other way arround |
| 00:45.10 | quatrox | ahh |
| 00:45.12 | quatrox | yeah |
| 00:45.16 | quatrox | thanks |
| 00:45.17 | elektranox | there were different comments in the mailinglist about using ext3 for debian |
| 00:45.51 | quatrox | well, I would enable ext2w support |
| 00:46.17 | elektranox | at the end ext2 remained the default |
| 00:46.29 | quatrox | yes |
| 00:47.18 | quatrox | hmm |
| 00:47.42 | quatrox | elektranox: was this on your workstation or neo? |
| 00:47.59 | elektranox | what? |
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| 00:48.46 | quatrox | sorry |
| 00:48.49 | elektranox | :P |
| 00:48.52 | stu8ball | Do you mean me? |
| 00:48.54 | quatrox | I meant stu8ball |
| 00:48.59 | quatrox | yes |
| 00:49.00 | elektranox | neo |
| 00:49.01 | stu8ball | It was on the Neo |
| 00:49.04 | elektranox | you can see it |
| 00:49.15 | elektranox | om-gta02 is probably *not* his workstation :P |
| 00:49.36 | quatrox | I didn't even notice that |
| 00:50.36 | stu8ball | So, I can take the card out, reformat it ext3, put it back in, change the one line in install.sh, and try again? |
| 00:50.48 | quatrox | stu8ball: why not use the kernel with om patches? |
| 00:50.57 | stu8ball | Or the other thing would be to enable ext2 suppose on the Neo, but I don't know how to do that. |
| 00:51.00 | stu8ball | support* |
| 00:51.10 | elektranox | which distro is running on your FR? |
| 00:51.17 | stu8ball | 2008.12 |
| 00:55.14 | rooly | how old is your kernel |
| 00:55.31 | stu8ball | It's 2.6.24 |
| 00:55.38 | stu8ball | The kernel on the moko you mean? |
| 00:55.47 | rooly | yeah |
| 00:55.56 | stu8ball | .24 |
| 00:56.16 | rooly | but what date |
| 00:56.31 | stu8ball | Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 |
| 00:56.50 | rooly | hmm |
| 00:56.56 | quatrox | update |
| 00:57.00 | rooly | try getting something maybe a little bit newer |
| 00:57.07 | quatrox | it should be from December |
| 00:57.08 | elektranox | lol |
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| 00:57.49 | elektranox | this is the original kernel, isn't it? xD |
| 00:58.13 | rooly | thats the original asu kernel |
| 00:58.32 | elektranox | fetch the 2008.12 kernel |
| 00:58.47 | rooly | and its related low-level binaries |
| 00:59.09 | stu8ball | ah yeah, now I know what's going on; when I updated I only updated the rootfs thing, not the uImage. |
| 00:59.11 | quatrox | you need the modules also |
| 00:59.27 | quatrox | ahh |
| 00:59.52 | rooly | is still happily using qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 01:00.00 | rooly | the sms problem is still annoying |
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| 01:00.05 | rooly | but easily gotten around |
| 01:00.08 | elektranox | is using Debian since ages now :) |
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| 01:00.41 | rooly | wonders... |
| 01:00.51 | simoo | rooly: sms problem with qtextended, I just got a freerunner and use qtopia, do you mean multiple repeted sms's? |
| 01:00.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | puts 'install debian' on his todo list again |
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| 01:01.06 | rooly | no, sms problem with qtopia 4.3.2, not 4.4.x |
| 01:01.35 | simoo | I have an sms problem with 4.4.2 |
| 01:01.43 | rooly | which is specifically, that only the first sms recieved after boot is propperly downloaded when an sms causes a wakeup |
| 01:02.00 | rooly | meh, i need to be more specific than that even |
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| 01:02.30 | rooly | sms doesn't download propperly when causing a wakeup, EXCEPT when its the first one recieved in since boot |
| 01:02.41 | simoo | I get repeted sms sent |
| 01:02.44 | elektranox | btw. debian is really fun with cards >= 1GB ;) |
| 01:03.06 | rooly | yeah? so is qtopia |
| 01:03.12 | rooly | has an 8 gigger |
| 01:03.19 | elektranox | so that one can install a proper userland :) |
| 01:03.41 | quatrox | the card issue is a kernel problem |
| 01:03.48 | quatrox | unrelated to distro's |
| 01:04.11 | quatrox | some cards works in some neo's |
| 01:04.15 | rooly | i think he's not being fesecious (or however you spell that) |
| 01:04.54 | rooly | because i'm quite happy with my 2 gigs of music on my fr |
| 01:05.04 | rooly | sandisk cards seem to work plenty perfectly |
| 01:05.23 | quatrox | two gig should work |
| 01:05.28 | quatrox | in most cases |
| 01:05.35 | elektranox | my 4G sandisk works also pretty good |
| 01:05.35 | rooly | 8 gig sandisk works |
| 01:05.52 | quatrox | but some SD manufactures don't follow the specs on 2 gig cards |
| 01:05.59 | rooly | when it comes to sd cards, i stick to sandisk anyway |
| 01:06.22 | elektranox | there are always some manufactures not following the specs :) |
| 01:06.36 | quatrox | rooly: did you verify the 8 gig card with dd |
| 01:06.46 | rooly | dd, what a dd |
| 01:07.10 | quatrox | I had 3 4GB cards where non of them worked |
| 01:07.21 | quatrox | tested in 3 freerunners |
| 01:07.52 | elektranox | this happens if you take the SD cards from the bin :P |
| 01:08.08 | rooly | sandisk, man, sandisk ftw |
| 01:08.42 | quatrox | I _will_ order sandisk this time |
| 01:09.12 | quatrox | and I will order 3 different ones |
| 01:09.22 | quatrox | just to be sure at least one works |
| 01:09.39 | elektranox | @amazon there are 16G microSD cards now O_O |
| 01:09.54 | quatrox | yes |
| 01:09.59 | rooly | theoretically, a 32gig sandisk should work |
| 01:10.03 | rooly | usd |
| 01:10.12 | quatrox | really? |
| 01:10.31 | rooly | its part of the sd spec |
| 01:10.33 | quatrox | why not a 2TB? |
| 01:10.40 | quatrox | ahh |
| 01:10.53 | rooly | because 32 is the max the sdhc spec allows |
| 01:11.32 | elektranox | mh 32GB would be almost a much as my notebook hdd |
| 01:11.44 | rooly | so yeah... |
| 01:11.51 | rooly | 32 gigs available to an FR |
| 01:11.52 | quatrox | that is only because they use 18 of 24 bits or something like that to identify the card |
| 01:11.59 | rooly | make pretty damn well SURE you use ext2 or fat |
| 01:12.17 | quatrox | fat? |
| 01:12.23 | rooly | vfat |
| 01:12.27 | quatrox | fat is useless |
| 01:12.30 | elektranox | ACK |
| 01:12.35 | quatrox | vfat also |
| 01:12.36 | rooly | no journal, so when your partition table corrupts, it doesn't kill the card |
| 01:12.48 | rooly | and all your data... |
| 01:12.50 | quatrox | no rwx |
| 01:12.59 | rooly | fine, ext2 |
| 01:13.02 | rooly | happy? |
| 01:13.09 | elektranox | jear :) |
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| 01:13.52 | rooly | in a volatile environment like the FR's sd controller, vfat is better than ext3 |
| 01:14.22 | quatrox | not for rootfs |
| 01:14.27 | elektranox | you can disable the journal of ext3 AFAIK |
| 01:14.39 | quatrox | yes |
| 01:14.58 | rooly | well, then why the hell are you using ext3 if you don't need the journal |
| 01:15.02 | quatrox | but then you use ext2 |
| 01:15.04 | elektranox | but you can't make vfat rwx capable |
| 01:15.46 | stu8ball | There used to be this filesystem that emulated that on FAT by sticking some numbers onto the end of the filename. |
| 01:15.47 | quatrox | not in any easy way |
| 01:17.03 | quatrox | myfile.py02764 |
| 01:17.07 | quatrox | hmm |
| 01:17.42 | stu8ball | lol |
| 01:17.49 | rooly | right |
| 01:17.52 | stu8ball | It's from when people would dual boot GNU/Linux and Windows 9x |
| 01:17.56 | rooly | still, the point is the specific instance |
| 01:18.03 | rooly | vfat or ext2 |
| 01:18.32 | rooly | vfat is actually better in this case for non-rootfs work since your average desktop is guaranteed to be able to read it |
| 01:18.40 | quatrox | better use vfat if it is only music and maps |
| 01:19.29 | elektranox | you remove the mSD from your FR regulary? |
| 01:19.51 | elektranox | mine is in there the whole time, so there is no desktop which can read it |
| 01:19.52 | rooly | more than i aught to |
| 01:20.09 | quatrox | well |
| 01:20.33 | rooly | its alot easier transfering data back and forth from my laptop's reader slot than ssh via usb |
| 01:20.38 | rooly | and alot faster |
| 01:20.38 | quatrox | 8GB is enough space to have 3 partitions |
| 01:20.43 | elektranox | apart from this I don't use windos, so no reason to use vfat |
| 01:20.50 | stu8ball | sshfs :) |
| 01:21.05 | elektranox | scp -r |
| 01:21.10 | stu8ball | or that |
| 01:21.12 | quatrox | wifi |
| 01:21.19 | quatrox | ohh |
| 01:21.21 | elektranox | usb is faster |
| 01:21.23 | quatrox | sshfs is slow |
| 01:21.32 | quatrox | wifi is faster |
| 01:21.36 | stu8ball | `sshfs -C` then :P |
| 01:21.49 | quatrox | -C ? |
| 01:21.53 | stu8ball | Compress |
| 01:21.59 | quatrox | nooo |
| 01:21.59 | stu8ball | Although, it's probably slow too |
| 01:22.01 | elektranox | for me usb is faster then wifi |
| 01:22.02 | quatrox | poor FR |
| 01:22.20 | quatrox | poor CPU |
| 01:22.34 | quatrox | both SSL and compressing |
| 01:22.35 | rooly | good uSD |
| 01:22.51 | quatrox | NFS |
| 01:23.12 | quatrox | or even better |
| 01:23.15 | quatrox | nc |
| 01:23.45 | elektranox | ok I'm off now |
| 01:23.48 | rooly | but then you have to take the time and set up an nfs from commandline on yuor fr |
| 01:23.56 | elektranox | 2:23 already <_< |
| 01:24.06 | quatrox | then use nc |
| 01:24.29 | stu8ball | nc needs to be fiddled with on both the client and the server too |
| 01:24.36 | stu8ball | plus you need to know the exact filenames |
| 01:24.44 | quatrox | 2:19 on my fr... time drifting |
| 01:24.59 | ^wd^ | nc+tar roxx |
| 01:25.12 | rooly | so mine isn't the only one that does that |
| 01:25.18 | quatrox | stu8ball: not true |
| 01:25.22 | rooly | quatrox, at what points does yours time-drift |
| 01:25.47 | quatrox | now it is soon 02:20 |
| 01:25.52 | quatrox | ahh |
| 01:25.57 | quatrox | was that exactly |
| 01:26.27 | quatrox | and did rdate -s ntp.uio.no: hwclock --systohc; a few days ago |
| 01:26.30 | rooly | mine drifts at boot |
| 01:26.33 | rooly | when does yours |
| 01:26.44 | quatrox | maybe I had the battery out for a short time |
| 01:26.52 | quatrox | max 10 sec |
| 01:27.12 | rooly | i'll lose about 10 minutes in a week of normal usage |
| 01:27.20 | quatrox | rebooted 3 times |
| 01:27.36 | quatrox | so not sure.... but didn't measure |
| 01:27.46 | rooly | ~4 minutes off |
| 01:28.35 | quatrox | I will sync again now |
| 01:29.30 | quatrox | the time on this msg is now |
| 01:29.42 | quatrox | 02:29:29 |
| 01:30.01 | quatrox | so it is drifting |
| 01:30.38 | quatrox | I should just add a couple of minutes a day |
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| 01:33.32 | quatrox | stu8ball: nc can be set up to work more or less like scp if you make a little script and add a ssh rule |
| 01:34.43 | stu8ball | cool |
| 01:35.06 | quatrox | just do not send the date through ssh because that will slow things down |
| 01:35.20 | quatrox | s/date/data/ |
| 01:37.28 | quatrox | stu8ball: then you could do something like this when things are set up: |
| 01:38.57 | quatrox | nc_accecpt; tar czv *| nc neo |
| 01:39.31 | quatrox | but both host and client needs to be set up first |
| 01:40.04 | quatrox | you could even put everything into one script |
| 01:40.36 | quatrox | nccp my_file neo |
| 01:40.42 | stu8ball | ah, I see |
| 01:41.35 | quatrox | but you must edit ~/.ssh/config or something on the neo |
| 01:41.46 | quatrox | so it knows what to do |
| 01:42.24 | quatrox | and you can add ssh keys so you don't even have to type password |
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| 01:47.04 | quatrox | stu8ball: you should check out how to run remote cmds over ssh without logging in |
| 01:47.25 | quatrox | you can define one command for opkg update |
| 01:47.32 | quatrox | one for opkg upgrade |
| 01:47.34 | quatrox | etc |
| 01:48.09 | stu8ball | Do you just mean the usual thing where you type the command after the `ssh user@host` etc? |
| 01:48.22 | quatrox | no |
| 01:48.23 | stu8ball | like `ssh user@host some command here` |
| 01:48.25 | stu8ball | ah |
| 01:48.30 | stu8ball | What other way is there? |
| 01:49.00 | quatrox | I read about it some time ago |
| 01:49.23 | quatrox | I will google it up and check |
| 01:49.30 | quatrox | I want it |
| 01:51.40 | quatrox | it is called single-purpose keys |
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| 01:55.17 | quatrox | stu8ball: after you create them, you have a rather lengthy command, so you should define an alias |
| 01:55.56 | stu8ball | ah |
| 01:57.37 | quatrox | see http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 01:58.29 | quatrox | it is only normal stuff... but when you combine a few simple things, you get something very nice |
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| 02:31.05 | jhass840 | hey, how do I get my GPS to work under SHR. I have already done fso-gpsd start in the terminal and tanoGPS still says no GPS found |
| 02:31.37 | Dave | hmm |
| 02:33.11 | jhass840 | I can connect to update my position, but I am always placed at the equator however, the positions of other GPS users are properly reported |
| 02:37.05 | johnsu01 | so, recently my headphones quit working (on debian fso) -- plugging in no longer switches the profile to headphones-only |
| 02:38.17 | johnsu01 | any suggestions on how to debug that? I think it's frameworkd that's responsible... |
| 02:38.47 | Dave | hmm |
| 02:39.09 | Dave | jhass, so it's not even connecting to fso-gpsd? |
| 02:40.17 | jhass840 | Dave: fso-gpsd starts just fine, but when I start the tangoGPS it says no GPS found and if I update it succeeds, but places me at the equator |
| 02:40.31 | Dave | right |
| 02:40.31 | Dave | 0,0 |
| 02:40.34 | Dave | :P |
| 02:41.27 | jhass840 | It's weird though, because it worked once and then it never worked again after that |
| 02:42.17 | jhass840 | and I have 0 satellites, and GPS time is set to November 30th 1999 |
| 02:42.20 | Dave | :[ |
| 02:42.37 | Dave | jhass, have you tried waiting outside or putting it near a window for 10min? |
| 02:42.43 | Dave | maybe you just need to get a fix? |
| 02:42.54 | Dave | although it shouldn't say No GPS Found, it should just say 0/0/0 |
| 02:43.44 | jhass840 | well it changes to 0/0/0 after a bit, but you'd think if it found my GPS it would be able to get a fix too |
| 02:44.07 | Dave | right |
| 02:44.13 | Dave | but it may take a little while to get a fix |
| 02:44.24 | Dave | Sometimes you have to wait outside for 5+minutes |
| 02:45.05 | jhass840 | Well if I hit Update Me! and it comes back with a time, does that mean I have a fix? |
| 02:45.19 | Dave | no |
| 02:45.23 | jhass840 | oh |
| 02:45.28 | Dave | 0/0/0 is the satelites |
| 02:45.39 | Dave | Until you have satelites seen/used you don't have a fix |
| 02:45.47 | jhass840 | okay, I guess I've misinterpreted the way TangoGPS works |
| 02:45.56 | Dave | trust me, you'll know when you get a fix, it will give you realistic gps coodinates |
| 02:46.04 | Dave | and you need at least X/3 satellites to get one |
| 02:46.10 | Dave | so yes, I guess you misunderstood :) |
| 02:46.24 | Dave | the update me, is just for internet connection to get other peoples' positions |
| 02:46.45 | Dave | I suggest either going outside for a few minutes or leaving it by a window until you get a fix :) |
| 02:46.59 | jhass840 | oh okay |
| 02:47.18 | jhass840 | how strong is the GPS antennae? |
| 02:47.37 | Dave | uhh, okay |
| 02:47.43 | Dave | not amazing |
| 02:48.22 | jhass840 | oh, so if I live in an old house with stone walls it probably won't work inside my house? |
| 02:49.30 | Dave | absolutely not |
| 02:49.40 | Dave | keep in mind, you essentially need a line-of-sight to the sky! |
| 02:50.10 | jhass840 | oh really? I thought newer GPS equipment worked indoors too |
| 02:50.46 | Dave | it does, sometimes, usually not well |
| 02:51.00 | Dave | Jhass, do you even get cellphone reception inside your stonewall house? :) |
| 02:51.00 | jhass840 | okay, well I'll try it outside then |
| 02:51.14 | jhass840 | oh yeah, I have like 5 bars in here |
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| 02:51.38 | Dave | nice :P |
| 02:51.44 | Dave | Yeah, but try it outside for a few minutes |
| 02:51.46 | Dave | see what happens |
| 02:51.55 | jhass840 | only the bottom floor is stone (which is where I am now) |
| 02:52.03 | Dave | also, jhass, once you get a position fix, it's MUCH easier for the gps device to work or find/use satellites |
| 02:52.08 | Dave | Ah :) |
| 02:53.24 | jhass840 | now is this fix a one time thing or do I need to do it every time I turn start Tango, or every time I turn on the freerunner? |
| 02:54.09 | Dave | every time you power on the freerunner |
| 02:54.19 | Dave | once it gets a fix, it'll last until you shut it off |
| 02:55.04 | jhass840 | okay, so the trick is never to turn it off :) |
| 02:55.40 | Dave | hah, yeah |
| 02:55.44 | Dave | if you can manage that :) |
| 02:56.14 | Dave | I leave mine plugged in next to a window :) |
| 02:56.17 | jhass840 | Well, I suppose it's not such a big deal. I'd be in pretty bad shape if I needed a GPS to find my way around my house |
| 02:56.52 | Dave | haha :P |
| 02:56.54 | Dave | yes |
| 02:57.45 | jhass840 | I'm usually on my laptop all day so I just plug the freerunner into my USB port |
| 02:57.55 | Dave | :D |
| 02:57.58 | Dave | yay |
| 02:58.02 | Dave | they go well together :) |
| 02:59.35 | jhass840 | you know, I honestly don't understand all the complaining about the freerunner. I put SHR onto the thing and I've been making out just fine. I've even made phone calls with it |
| 03:00.10 | Dave | Great!! |
| 03:00.15 | Dave | Then you're lucky :) |
| 03:00.26 | Dave | Good to hear a success story, now and again :) |
| 03:00.43 | Dave | Jhass, honestly, some people are just a bit peeved it doesn't make their morning coffee and stuff, too :) |
| 03:00.59 | jhass840 | I mean my mom said she heard a slight echo, but she only realized it once I asked her if she heard one |
| 03:01.10 | Dave | ah |
| 03:01.12 | Dave | good then |
| 03:01.14 | Dave | not so bad :) |
| 03:02.19 | jhass840 | right, honestly I don't even care if OM backs out on the freerunner. I think we should keep at it until the software is perfected |
| 03:02.42 | Dave | Yay! |
| 03:02.48 | Dave | high-fives jhass840 |
| 03:03.16 | jhass840 | once I get my development environment set up I'm gonna jump in and lend a hand |
| 03:03.24 | Dave | Good man :) |
| 03:03.28 | jhass840 | (SHR of course) |
| 03:04.34 | jhass840 | do you happen to know what's supposed to be in the topdir.conf file? |
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| 03:27.50 | jhass840 | Dave: Alright, that worked. Its got my position to within about 30 feet |
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| 03:42.54 | Slaxxer | what no new fdom? |
| 03:43.50 | rooly | i wonder if i should run an upgrade on my neo |
| 03:45.40 | Slaxxer | .12? |
| 03:45.59 | rooly | haven't you listened to me once? |
| 03:46.01 | rooly | qt4.3.2 |
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| 03:51.26 | orzo | i would like the zd1211rw module for mwester's g833cda8f gta01 kernel |
| 03:52.15 | Dave | aha |
| 03:52.16 | mwester | download the modules_all_* file for that kernel from the same site, and pick the module out of that tarball. |
| 03:52.38 | orzo | well its apparently not in it |
| 03:52.59 | orzo | its a usb wifi adapter driver |
| 03:54.39 | orzo | no drivers/net/wireless/* modules are present |
| 03:55.19 | rooly | does qtopia have any python bindings? |
| 03:55.27 | orzo | do i need to build my own kernel? |
| 03:56.28 | mwester | if it's not in there, then yes -- you'll need to build your own. |
| 04:13.51 | brian__ | i guess the terminal is too dim for a flashlight so theres a flashlight program:( |
| 04:16.08 | rooly | well |
| 04:16.10 | rooly | thats interesting |
| 04:16.20 | rooly | apparently, killing off qtopia killed my dropbear |
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| 04:37.04 | Digital_Pioneer | Ewww, dropbear. |
| 04:37.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 04:37.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Doesn't compare to OpenSSH. |
| 04:37.32 | rooly | mwester |
| 04:37.47 | rooly | mind giving me a hadn |
| 04:37.57 | roh | Digital_Pioneer correctly... uses aeons less of ram/cpu ;) |
| 04:38.02 | roh | and flashspace |
| 04:38.19 | roh | but yes.. for scp one wants a real sshd ;) |
| 04:38.21 | Digital_Pioneer | roh: I can imagine, but it sucks. |
| 04:38.41 | Digital_Pioneer | It's not a good tradeoff. :P |
| 04:38.55 | rooly | maybe on the neo, but not the FR |
| 04:38.59 | rooly | aside from that |
| 04:39.06 | rooly | i just unpacked the qtopia 4.3.3 upgrade |
| 04:39.10 | roh | Digital_Pioneer depends on the usecase.. as poweruser you obviously want a real sshd. the occasional unknowing ui-_user_ doesnt bother.. he only needs it for recovery |
| 04:39.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahhh, yes, I use FR. |
| 04:39.12 | rooly | was wondering if anyone might gimme a hand |
| 04:39.51 | Digital_Pioneer | roh: True again. But AFAIK there aren't many unknowing ui-users with FRs. :P |
| 04:39.56 | roh | if it isnt yet 'just install the real one as package' eventually somebody should request that |
| 04:40.06 | roh | but afaik openssh is in oe |
| 04:40.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it's available. |
| 04:40.28 | Digital_Pioneer | (Good thing too) |
| 04:41.07 | roh | ;) well.. you cannot make it 'right' for everybody... just see how many different distros we got... shr, debian, qtopia + develstuff like fso |
| 04:41.25 | Digital_Pioneer | That's what's so great about the FR though. :) |
| 04:41.37 | roh | people have different needs and thus need different sw packages (and bundles aka distros or flavours) |
| 04:41.38 | Digital_Pioneer | And all F/OSS based stuff. |
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| 04:42.35 | roh | jap. thats why i work for om. finally some company which is serious about openness the same was as i see it (so far, only with them < 2 years) |
| 04:43.16 | rooly | roh, gpl or zlib |
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| 04:43.54 | roh | even when some people are annoyed by 'the neccessary choice' its better that way. we learned that the hard way (with ASU) |
| 04:45.01 | roh | rooly by default om prefers the gpl and lgpl, but when it makes sense also other foss licences are possible (like bsd for example) |
| 04:45.31 | rooly | right |
| 04:46.06 | roh | e.g. when i write a trac pluging it will be BSD, even when i personally _really_ prefer gpl, but we want as much as possible to go upstream and be merged |
| 04:46.17 | rooly | likes individual freedom, but prefers to release open source...so i fully appreciate gpl, but i prefer to release in bsd/mit/zlib |
| 04:46.43 | rooly | mostly because i don't like being forced to do anything |
| 04:47.37 | roh | well.. everybody as he likes it. i want stuff i write to stay opensource, even if it would stop it ending up in binary products then. but thats something which everybody needs to decide for themselves |
| 04:48.27 | roh | the major point in opensource for me is that i 'do not need to trust the author'. the rest is just politics |
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| 04:48.59 | Digital_Pioneer | And philosophy. |
| 04:49.26 | Digital_Pioneer | But in my experience, open source software tends to be higher quality as well, which is a notable point. |
| 04:49.44 | roh | thats debateable... depends on which piece of code youre looking at |
| 04:49.56 | Digital_Pioneer | shrugs. |
| 04:49.59 | roh | for sure not stuff like the floppystreamer drivers in the kernel or so ;) |
| 04:51.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, well, I don't know what floppystreamer is. :) |
| 04:52.32 | roh | its more the evolutionary advantage.. do it right only one time, even if you need 3 tries. not do it nearly wrong 3 times and have no source to use the next time |
| 04:52.39 | Digital_Pioneer | F/OSS is like everything else... It has advantages and disadvantages. Just to me, the advantages tend to outweigh the disadvantages. |
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| 06:53.26 | gecco | good morning |
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| 08:14.06 | synan | hello |
| 08:15.08 | gfather | hay |
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| 08:15.20 | gfather | peko |
| 08:16.16 | gfather | ill see you from the office guys , damn , i wish i can just sleep forever |
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| 08:23.34 | kd8ikt | its called death |
| 08:25.06 | bipak_ | kd8ikt: haha |
| 08:25.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:25.18 | bipak_ | hello |
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| 08:37.33 | gfather | kd8ikt loool |
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| 09:22.15 | kd8ikt | Con Te Partirò |
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| 09:23.08 | gecco | ? |
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| 09:23.50 | kd8ikt | my grandma worships bocelli |
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| 09:24.43 | gfather | hello |
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| 09:26.10 | gecco | bocelli sux |
| 09:27.00 | kd8ikt | the man has pipes that will put jesus into your heart |
| 09:27.27 | Tm_T | ... |
| 09:27.57 | jmontane | kd8ikt, into your hurd, you mean :)) |
| 09:28.22 | Tm_T | kids, I think this is wrong channel for discussions like that |
| 09:29.20 | kd8ikt | ok mom |
| 09:29.27 | gfather | yes , no religious stuff here |
| 09:29.43 | gfather | and do what mom says :P |
| 09:29.47 | Tm_T | no stupid arguings about anything really, unless it's openmoko related |
| 09:30.01 | kd8ikt | that was a line from lawrence fishburne in cadence |
| 09:30.06 | kd8ikt | :P |
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| 09:30.33 | gfather | Tm_T back to the subject , do you know any info on openmoko languages and stuff |
| 09:31.01 | Tm_T | gfather: languages? yes, it's mainly developed using english |
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| 09:31.30 | gfather | Tm_T yes i know , but i want to add support for another languages |
| 09:31.44 | gfather | localization i mean |
| 09:32.16 | Tm_T | oh, hmmm, there's some translation packages in repositories |
| 09:32.28 | gfather | for wich languages |
| 09:32.30 | Tm_T | for further information, I think wiki might help |
| 09:32.38 | gfather | i want to see how lets say i can add a new language |
| 09:32.47 | gfather | i searched the wiki , no info there |
| 09:33.01 | gfather | or i didnt find one |
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| 10:56.23 | badcloud | or at least, it seems that way |
| 10:56.30 | badcloud | I can't suspend while using it |
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| 11:10.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * r0227dc0ea599 10/packages/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb: fix paroli git URL thx rwhitby |
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| 11:13.08 | Wonka | *sigh* phonelist thingie crashed, contacts crashed, even dialer crashed. had to reboot. |
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| 11:31.12 | Wonka | by the way, adding a new contact does not work - i can type in a name but i don't find out how to type in the number, and clicking "save" doesn't do anything - probably because of no number entered. |
| 11:33.16 | Wonka | aargh. why does clicking into the number field work _now_, but not before i complain publicly? |
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| 11:43.37 | Wonka | but now i got a real one: entries with a too long name are silently not saved |
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| 11:51.56 | Demind | Does anybody have a suggestion for a graphic text editor to use on the Freerunner? |
| 11:52.10 | lindi- | Demind: emacs? |
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| 11:52.49 | Demind | and a sort of FBReader that can write too? :) |
| 11:53.02 | dns53 | vi |
| 11:53.03 | Demind | I can go with emacs if no other stuff is available of course |
| 11:53.27 | Demind | I prefer emacs over vi (and now the flame starts lol) |
| 11:55.25 | rwhitby | emacs is available in the feeds |
| 11:56.40 | gfather | peko |
| 12:00.07 | Demind | rwhitby: emacs is available in the feeds , what do you mean? |
| 12:00.48 | rwhitby | Demind: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:01.11 | Demind | thanks |
| 12:01.19 | rwhitby | it's listed in task-openmoko-feed.bb, so any self-respecting openmoko package feed should have it available |
| 12:01.29 | rwhitby | just opkg install emacs |
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| 13:08.26 | stu8ball | Hi. |
| 13:09.13 | stu8ball | The 'debian' stage of the Debian installer script, the cdebootstrap in it gives 'O: wget: short write', then it fails to download the Release file. |
| 13:10.19 | stu8ball | No idea what that means, so I've decided to do it like: run cdebootstrap on my PC, into ./fake-target or something, and then copy everything out of fake-target into the real target dir on the FR. |
| 13:10.32 | stu8ball | If I do it that way, is it --arch=armel that I want, or --arch=arm? |
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| 13:23.35 | Stanlin | HELLP!!! |
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| 13:44.13 | DPThought | boys, i need your help. I have tried Qi on my gta01 (hoped it could boot from SD for me) but i like to go back to uboot since it did not. Problem, I have no DFU mode anymore. |
| 13:44.42 | DPThought | i thought nandwrite would be the tool to do this. So i bravely tried nandwrite /dev/mtd0 gta01bv4-u-boot.bin |
| 13:44.52 | DPThought | Input file is not page aligned |
| 13:44.52 | DPThought | Data was only partially written due to error |
| 13:44.52 | DPThought | : Success |
| 13:45.17 | balrog-kun | DPThought: and you haven't rebooted since? |
| 13:45.31 | jc__ | wow.. gta01 is so easily brickable... |
| 13:45.34 | DPThought | Error? Success? I'm confused. I don't like to try if it workd, because if it does not i would need a jtag flash |
| 13:45.51 | DPThought | balrog-kun: i would not dare |
| 13:46.04 | DPThought | first, is nandwrite the right tool? |
| 13:46.11 | balrog-kun | DPThought: try dumping contents of /dev/mtd0 now and comparing.. maybe |
| 13:46.22 | balrog-kun | nandwrite is what i would try, too |
| 13:46.24 | jc__ | nandwrite --help |
| 13:46.24 | jc__ | Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] |
| 13:46.24 | jc__ | Writes to the specified MTD device. |
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| 13:46.54 | balrog-kun | not sure if it needs erasing before |
| 13:47.00 | jc__ | also you shuld -j to force jffs2 if I'm not mistaken |
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| 13:47.35 | balrog-kun | /dev/mtd0 is not jffs2 formatted (or shouldn't be) |
| 13:47.39 | DPThought | nandwrite -p produces i/o error. Just tried that |
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| 13:47.53 | jc__ | oh yeah.. bootloader.. sorry |
| 13:47.59 | DPThought | jc__: ;) |
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| 13:49.07 | jc__ | how do you track bad blocks on bootloader partition then? ;P |
| 13:50.32 | balrog-kun | you pray there aren't any :p |
| 13:50.38 | jc__ | practical :D |
| 13:50.58 | jc__ | and if there are, then what ? fill block 0 with a jump instruction and write it somewhere else ? |
| 13:51.00 | balrog-kun | but iirc the NAND specification says that the first N blocks must not have errors.. when shipping |
| 13:51.15 | jc__ | oh.. good |
| 13:52.04 | balrog-kun | since the probability is 10^-something, they just throw away the chips that have errors in the first blocks at the factory (nand factory, not om factory) |
| 13:52.30 | jc__ | afaik the bad blocks can appear anytime and at random even in the first blocks |
| 13:52.39 | balrog-kun | probably even before attaching the memory to the rest of the chip and packing it into a die |
| 13:52.47 | jc__ | would be good to use eeprom or somethign to write address of the bootloader or something like that |
| 13:52.58 | DPThought | well, dumping it back does not produce matches. But this probably is because it dumps the whole partition and the imagefile is smaller |
| 13:53.49 | balrog-kun | yeah, i think you need to compary only the beginning |
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| 13:56.16 | DPThought | great busybox head has no -c. dd then... |
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| 13:58.39 | DPThought | who would have thought, they differ. :) |
| 13:58.44 | DPThought | panic! |
| 13:59.47 | jc__ | that means virgin in our language haha |
| 14:00.31 | jc__ | anyway, gl with the fixing |
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| 14:06.46 | balrog-kun | it might be that nandwrite expects files with oob interleaved or something |
| 14:07.03 | balrog-kun | mc's hex viewer would tell you probably |
| 14:07.33 | DPThought | what is oob? :) |
| 14:08.47 | DPThought | and i see no obious patern in hexdump :) |
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| 14:18.49 | DPThought | know what, I just try it. I have no idea what i could do different |
| 14:19.05 | DPThought | at least it sayed Success at the end |
| 14:19.26 | DPThought | google is suprisingly silent on this topic :-/ |
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| 14:20.38 | XorA | DPThought: OOB is Out Of Band |
| 14:21.08 | DPThought | out of band what| |
| 14:21.10 | DPThought | ? |
| 14:21.38 | XorA | means extra data that you cant normally see in the filesystem, stuff like CRC checks, bad block marking |
| 14:21.48 | DPThought | ah |
| 14:22.07 | XorA | I dont know exactly what OOB data jffs uses |
| 14:22.24 | DPThought | it's uboot |
| 14:22.31 | XorA | or that |
| 14:22.55 | DPThought | probably depends on how it was built |
| 14:23.47 | XorA | no debug board I assume |
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| 14:25.27 | DPThought | XorA: nope |
| 14:26.00 | XorA | I wonder if Qi will load the RAM version of u-boot instead of vmlinuz |
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| 14:27.08 | dagger|work | hi, Anyone experienced a problem, where enlightenment doesn't show any icons? something similar was described here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1682681 |
| 14:27.58 | DPThought | XorA: dfu-util and u-boot commands for writing the bootloader mention no additional paramters. |
| 14:28.45 | DPThought | XorA: but if i think about it. That still does not say if it is oob or not. |
| 14:28.59 | dagger|work | i compiled it from source r38400 - and can't see any icons |
| 14:29.06 | XorA | DPThought: my thinking is you can load u-boot into ram using dfu and execute it, if you could fool Qi into doing the same trick, you would have u-boot running which you can then use to dfu u-boot to flash |
| 14:29.33 | DPThought | XorA: you mean like loding it like a kernel? |
| 14:29.37 | XorA | yes |
| 14:29.46 | XorA | I have no idea on the workingness of the idea |
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| 14:30.01 | DPThought | XorA: sounds - brave |
| 14:30.25 | XorA | sounds like a feature Qi should have :-D |
| 14:30.52 | DPThought | XorA: ah, it just dawns me. That would mean writing it to the kernel partition. Noting gained. Same problem. If i do it wrong i'm busted |
| 14:31.08 | XorA | oh, doesnt Qi for gta01 support microSD |
| 14:31.28 | DPThought | XorA: that's the issue. It does not work. No idea why |
| 14:31.37 | XorA | I see |
| 14:31.52 | DPThought | XorA: maybe some incompatibility to my sd card. neither uboot or qi could boot from it |
| 14:32.52 | DPThought | maybe sdhc vs. sd. But the wiki says nothing about that. And as usual the wiki is filled with false information about gta01 because freerunnter owners dont get it :) |
| 14:32.54 | XorA | is out of ideas |
| 14:33.28 | DPThought | I had the feeling that there was something documented about somt sdhc issues back then :) |
| 14:33.50 | DPThought | ok, i'm doing it... |
| 14:35.34 | XorA | Werner is probably the man to ask about NAND hacking, if he can remeber that far back |
| 14:36.15 | DPThought | too late. I have just bricked it *g* |
| 14:36.57 | DPThought | Who has a debug board in germany and is willing to do a jtag reanimation? |
| 14:37.18 | Defiant- | lol |
| 14:37.38 | XorA | DPThought: all else fails go to FOSDEM :-) |
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| 14:38.44 | DPThought | i can tell you. If i have to wait until feb i go nuts |
| 14:39.06 | DPThought | And the train ticket to brussles probably hosts nearly as much as a gta02 |
| 14:39.34 | emacsian_ | can I use the uImage from 2008.12 and the rootfs from FSO ? |
| 14:40.28 | XorA | ah, then hunting .de for debug board probably quicker then |
| 14:40.39 | XorA | there are some in frankfurt and berlin |
| 14:40.42 | XorA | or sure |
| 14:40.44 | XorA | for sure |
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| 14:45.00 | AntonTakk | making good progress on an app by missing large ammounts of sleep+- |
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| 14:54.49 | PaulFertser | DPThought: :( you were too brave to try Qi without dboard. And too brave to try to overwrite it with u-boot again without consulting low-level guru's first... |
| 14:55.41 | PaulFertser | DPThought: i wonder if some wiggler-style JTAG can be used with GTA01... |
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| 14:56.21 | DPThought | PaulFertser: my post on the community list was never answered. So i thought there aren't any gurus. :) And how hard can it be... |
| 14:56.28 | DPThought | PaulFertser: think so. |
| 14:57.30 | PaulFertser | DPThought: community mailing list is too high-volume and sometimes too low-sense. That's why no guru's seen your mail. |
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| 14:58.58 | PaulFertser | DPThought: if wiggler-style confirmed ok, are you ready to try it? I think it's easier and safer to find a DB in Germany. |
| 15:00.20 | PaulFertser | DPThought: and rebooting too fast was a mistake ;) You probably could have recovered using a proper nand-writing method... |
| 15:00.21 | XorA | wiggler can be used |
| 15:00.27 | XorA | as long as you can find the wiring |
| 15:01.13 | PaulFertser | And it might be even more robust because there were some issues with libftdi mentioned etc, yes? |
| 15:01.29 | DPThought | PaulFertser: A parallel port is for me almost as exotic as a debug board :) |
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| 15:01.42 | PaulFertser | And no need for flaky debug cable, just solder directly to the board :) |
| 15:02.34 | DPThought | btw http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking |
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| 15:02.45 | PaulFertser | DPThought: oh, werner introduced a new kind of debug board, have you seen it? |
| 15:03.59 | Stanlin | Help!! |
| 15:04.04 | Stanlin | How to install openmoko?? |
| 15:04.19 | lindi- | Stanlin: om2008.12? |
| 15:04.33 | DPThought | PaulFertser: v3? |
| 15:04.48 | PaulFertser | DPThought: i think you've tried to nandwrite a uimage instead of raw bin file, that's the problem :( |
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| 15:06.06 | DPThought | Stanlin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 15:06.11 | PaulFertser | DPThought: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/ |
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| 15:06.29 | jonkristian | \o/ |
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| 15:08.23 | DPThought | PaulFertser: cool. But I have to say. I don't intend to go so low level. But a real serial console for uboot would be nice. This usb emulation thingie is broken beyond belief |
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| 15:09.06 | PaulFertser | DPThought: a working Qi would be nice and you won't need any serial console in bootloader :) |
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| 15:09.44 | XorA | u-boot has a serial console |
| 15:09.49 | XorA | you just need to wire it up |
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| 15:09.51 | PaulFertser | DPThought: do you confirm you've tried to nandwrite an image suitable for dfu-util (and therefore unsuitable for nandwrite)? |
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| 15:10.55 | DPThought | PaulFertser: exactly. |
| 15:16.35 | DPThought | PaulFertser: do you know how i sould have done it? |
| 15:17.39 | Daramarak | Anyone got a reliable alarm in om2008.12? |
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| 15:18.26 | beni | btw alarm |
| 15:18.40 | beni | that only works with non-suspendet phone, doesn't it? |
| 15:18.47 | Daramarak | yes |
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| 15:19.01 | DPThought | beni: i heard otherwise. But never tried it |
| 15:19.34 | PaulFertser | DPThought: i guess you should have stripped the header from image (not sure how exactly) and then nandwrite it. Just a speculation |
| 15:19.36 | Daramarak | I want my neo to wake me in the morning, but I end up having to use another phone, it is degrading. |
| 15:19.38 | beni | DPThought: havent tryed that too |
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| 15:19.43 | beni | but i wonder how that works |
| 15:20.02 | beni | maybe the internal clock supports some alarm that rises an interrupt or something |
| 15:20.25 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: it should work but probably not reliably. Don't rely on that. |
| 15:21.13 | Daramarak | I worked once for me on 2008.8. I have tested it several times, it is very very unreliable. |
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| 15:21.50 | Daramarak | I know that someone was working on a fix, but I haven't seen or heard anything. |
| 15:22.54 | PaulFertser | If you're using om2008, you won't get anything stable anyway. |
| 15:23.52 | Daramarak | Oh, as a phone it is stable for me. |
| 15:24.31 | Daramarak | Has used it more or less without any problems as a sms capable mobile phone since october. |
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| 15:30.58 | Stanlin | DPThought: i think ...so |
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| 15:34.02 | Stanlin | DPThought: are you around? |
| 15:35.41 | Stanlin | Help!! How to install openmoko?? (in a virtual machine, or a real computer) |
| 15:36.28 | lindi- | Stanlin: please answer the question |
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| 15:36.44 | DPThought | Stanlin: not really. Going to have lunch. |
| 15:36.59 | dent | DPThought: look here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU |
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| 15:37.55 | DPThought | Stanlin: short answer to your question. Pick a distro and flash it via dfu-util (kernel + rootfs) |
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| 15:38.25 | dent | ehm, I mean Stanlin, sorry |
| 15:39.12 | DPThought | dent: was woundering :) |
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| 15:39.52 | dent | na ja, no idea how that happened... botched multitasking I guess |
| 15:40.00 | DPThought | oh, he added virtual to his question. I wounder what detail comes next he assumes us to know... |
| 15:40.26 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 15:40.29 | DPThought | anyway. afk to eat something |
| 15:42.23 | Stanlin | DPThought: do you have a How-to ?? |
| 15:43.00 | dent | Stanlin: just read throught the wiki to get the overall idea, then ask about details |
| 15:43.31 | dent | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions for example |
| 15:43.50 | dent | if you want to flash some into the device itself... |
| 15:44.22 | Stanlin | dent: oki.. my goal is to install openmoko in PDA's |
| 15:44.31 | AntonTakk | today is gonna suck, going to be at work 3x longer than I was asleep, then i have to drive half way across town before heading home :-\ |
| 15:45.56 | Stanlin | AntonTakk: declare yourself ill and sleep |
| 15:47.56 | AntonTakk | heh, problem is i have already been at work for two hours, so they know i'm not sick |
| 15:48.36 | AntonTakk | actually, almost 3 hours |
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| 15:50.37 | dent | do it like I do - drink hazardous amounts of cola :)) |
| 15:51.01 | AntonTakk | got two litres og the green caffeine in my desk :) |
| 15:59.56 | Stanlin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.54 | loufoque | is android a better OS than openmoko on the freerunner at the moment for practical use? |
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| 16:55.47 | viq | Android? No. Qtopia, maybe. |
| 16:56.27 | gfather | peko |
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| 17:24.24 | uhsf | i'm a little bit lost in the wiki about how to install SHR on a microSD card, so i will request your help today and hope you will be helpful |
| 17:25.07 | uhsf | it seems the first step would be to format the microSD card to ext3, so how to do this? |
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| 17:26.05 | max_posedon | uhsf, You haven't *nix expirience at all? So, why are you bought neo? man mkfs3 |
| 17:27.13 | uhsf | is it possible to format the card inside the neofreerunner or is it necessary to use a card reader? |
| 17:27.38 | max_posedon | It is possible, if you boot smth from nand. |
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| 17:29.17 | jc__ | wow.. |
| 17:31.11 | sicu | uhfs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 17:31.25 | bumbl | apt: tell me something about lazy-lulu |
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| 17:33.13 | sicu | uhsf: more specifically: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card |
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| 17:33.55 | uhsf | ty sicu |
| 17:34.14 | bumbl | apt: who is lazy-lulu |
| 17:34.14 | apt | lazy-lulu is probably a Skynet-manufactured body that resembles a teenaged girl, sent back in time (by the future Dave) to protect him. Unfortunately Dave having suffered major memory loss due to not taking his meds, has no memory of the future or Lazy Lulu and now thinks she's out to get him. |
| 17:35.32 | Zorkman | so it IS true.... |
| 17:36.23 | sicu | =] |
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| 17:41.32 | jc__ | lol wtf |
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| 17:48.16 | uhsf | does the neofreerunner need to be powered on so it appears as a device in /dev? because there is no /dev/mmcblk0 as in the wiki. |
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| 17:51.17 | toggles_w | uhsf: what are you doing? /dev/mmcblk0 sounds like the device for the sd card, so yes, it would neet to be turned on? |
| 17:53.10 | Wonka | this /dev/mmcblk0 does appear in the linux running on the freerunner, not on a computer it's connected to by usb |
| 17:53.26 | uhsf | i see |
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| 17:54.22 | Wonka | and for linux to be running on the freerunner, it must be turned on, of course |
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| 17:55.17 | Wonka | <- typing this on a freerunner in a moving train |
| 17:56.27 | uhsf | so, i guess the real first step then, is to set up the freerunner with my pc so i can use a real keyboard to enter installation commands |
| 17:56.55 | uhsf | using the onscreen keyboard is painful |
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| 17:57.56 | Wonka | should not take much |
| 17:58.10 | Wonka | load correct modules |
| 17:58.27 | Wonka | configure usb0 network device |
| 17:58.38 | Wonka | ssh into freerunner |
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| 17:58.58 | spsneo | i want to execute native c code on android . is it possible? |
| 17:59.08 | Wonka | <- has reached destination station |
| 17:59.20 | spsneo | i want to execute native c code on android . is it possible? any answer? |
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| 18:01.27 | zash__ | spsneo: no |
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| 18:01.39 | spsneo | zash__: any reasons for that? |
| 18:01.57 | zash__ | maybe if you jailbreak it |
| 18:02.06 | zash__ | spsneo: everything is in java |
| 18:02.18 | spsneo | zash__: but the kernel is based on linux |
| 18:02.30 | spsneo | and it has libc library as well |
| 18:02.31 | toggles_w | yeah, i was going to say you could root it and it went to a shell, so it's "possible" |
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| 18:02.54 | spsneo | toggles_w: any idea how to do that? |
| 18:03.12 | toggles_w | spsneo: well, i thought it was telnet.. |
| 18:03.22 | spsneo | what? |
| 18:03.30 | spsneo | toggles_w: i didnt get you |
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| 18:04.03 | toggles_w | http://technology.unanimocracy.com/google/2009/01/07/t-mobile-g1-android-rc30-root-exploit-released/ |
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| 18:04.06 | toggles_w | yep, telnet |
| 18:05.10 | toggles_w | assuming you have the build chain, i don't se why you can't write native c, just a pita to get working.. |
| 18:05.13 | toggles_w | good luck |
| 18:05.31 | spsneo | toggles_w: just one more question.. |
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| 18:06.00 | spsneo | according to google : android doesnt support glibc |
| 18:06.08 | spsneo | it rather supports bionic libc |
| 18:06.11 | spsneo | whats this? |
| 18:07.13 | toggles_w | http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html |
| 18:07.21 | toggles_w | a slim libc developed by Google for use in the Android mobile software platform |
| 18:08.00 | spsneo | so that means , I will have to go through the bionic libc to develop apps in c for android? |
| 18:08.07 | toggles_w | yessir |
| 18:08.14 | toggles_w | um.. or mamm.. ;-) |
| 18:08.26 | spsneo | actually I want to port trishul jvm to android |
| 18:08.38 | spsneo | by the way I am sir ;) |
| 18:08.59 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 18:09.04 | spsneo | any link explaining how to build arm cross compiler on ubuntu ? |
| 18:10.15 | spsneo | toggles_w: ^^ ? |
| 18:10.35 | toggles_w | spsneo: i'd follwo this http://source.android.com/download |
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| 18:13.28 | spsneo | toggles_w: but its all about installing git client etc.. what about the cross compiler? |
| 18:14.51 | toggles_w | spsneo: not sure what the build process produces, but i'm going to assume it builds for arm, so when you get to building the code it will take care of the x compiler for you |
| 18:15.05 | toggles_w | i could be wrong, not dont it myself, but thats where i'd start |
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| 18:15.19 | toggles_w | especially as you're are porting to androind, you need the build system |
| 18:15.28 | spsneo | toggles_w: fine thanks ! |
| 18:15.35 | spsneo | i will try it |
| 18:15.45 | spsneo | are you available on jabber ? |
| 18:15.52 | toggles_w | the other option is to type "ubuntu arm cross compiler" into google, it provides links |
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| 18:17.41 | spsneo | toggles_w: dalvik jvm is open source? |
| 18:17.56 | toggles_w | spsneo: no idea |
| 18:23.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * raf588df3e736 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: Corrected a trailing \n causing problems with the writing of the contacts backend. |
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| 18:24.17 | gfather | the emu is based on OM-2007.2 |
| 18:24.38 | gfather | how can i get om-2008.8 |
| 18:24.49 | gfather | or how can i emulate om-2008.8 |
| 18:25.52 | AntonTakk | .... |
| 18:26.37 | AntonTakk | gfather: i assume you are talking about using qemu to emulate the hardware? |
| 18:26.59 | gfather | yse , but xoo |
| 18:27.12 | gfather | not qemu |
| 18:27.13 | frankS2 | hm how do i get mp3 support in openmokos media player |
| 18:28.40 | AntonTakk | gfather: ok, either way. the emu doesn't emulate 2007.x or 2008.x, ie emulates the gat01 |
| 18:29.00 | gfather | ah , thats i didnt think of |
| 18:29.32 | AntonTakk | and the only real diference between the gta01 and 02 are cpu speed,,, storage, wifi, bt, accelerometers and i believe glamo |
| 18:29.52 | AntonTakk | so there is really no real need to emulate both the 01 AND 02 separately |
| 18:30.32 | henk | is 'frameworkd' = fso? |
| 18:30.34 | gfather | yes , but the om-2008.8 dont work on gta1 , and i dont want to work on om.2007.2 |
| 18:30.36 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 18:31.07 | gfather | becouse i want to make arabic support of openmoko |
| 18:31.22 | AntonTakk | since when doesn't 2008.8 work on the gta01? |
| 18:31.39 | uhsf | when i try to ping the neofreerunner i get: ping: bad preload value, should be 1..65536. what should i do to get a successful ping? |
| 18:31.39 | gfather | and i dont want to work on the om-2007.2 and then have to figure out how to do it on om-2008.8 |
| 18:32.07 | AntonTakk | uhsf: remove the option to preload the packets? |
| 18:32.33 | gfather | AntonTakk its mentioned somewhere |
| 18:33.06 | AntonTakk | gfather: have you tried running 2008.8 in xoo? |
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| 18:35.09 | gfather | AntonTakk , no becouse the source is 2007.2 |
| 18:35.26 | gfather | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo |
| 18:35.43 | gfather | its not like i can open xoo and select the om-2088.8 to emualte :) |
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| 18:38.59 | AntonTakk | from the instructions there it doesn't matter |
| 18:39.21 | AntonTakk | looks like youre compiling the op apps/libs natively on your desktop instead of for arm |
| 18:39.30 | AntonTakk | s/op/om/ |
| 18:39.54 | gfather | again , |
| 18:40.04 | gfather | shouldent i use diffrent source |
| 18:41.30 | AntonTakk | yeah, if you want to be sure it will work on an om phone, use qemu and the latest 2008.x image |
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| 18:42.40 | gfather | but here is the thing , i tried the qemu on my windows , wich nearlly killed me , becouse it too slow to respond or do anything |
| 18:42.50 | gfather | i didnt try it on ubuntu though |
| 18:43.10 | AntonTakk | qemu is slow, that's thr price of software based virtualization |
| 18:43.41 | Dave | Hello Anton :) |
| 18:43.48 | AntonTakk | hi :) |
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| 18:44.32 | AntonTakk | howws it goin? |
| 18:45.40 | gfather | AntonTakk that why i wanted xoo , its allot faster |
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| 18:47.06 | AntonTakk | Dave: was it you i was talking to about the phone app i'm writing a day or two ago? |
| 18:48.00 | Dave | Yep |
| 18:48.07 | Dave | :) |
| 18:48.10 | AntonTakk | still want the link? |
| 18:48.19 | Dave | Yes please :D |
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| 18:49.05 | Dave | :o |
| 18:49.09 | AntonTakk | http://poolofdespair.net/pub/phoneui there may be some breakage in the efl related stuff, but the contacts handeling code hasn't changed in months |
| 18:49.20 | Dave | cool :) |
| 18:49.22 | frankS2 | hm how do i get mp3 support in openmokos media player |
| 18:49.29 | Dave | haha |
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| 18:49.32 | Dave | bad news, frank |
| 18:49.47 | AntonTakk | i have added quite a bit of efl gui love in the last couple days |
| 18:50.02 | frankS2 | Dave: why? |
| 18:50.41 | AntonTakk | frankS2: om doesn't distribute patent-encumbered codecs. to avoid legal trouble |
| 18:51.01 | frankS2 | blargh :( |
| 18:51.03 | Dave | Yeah |
| 18:51.06 | Dave | sucks |
| 18:51.08 | Dave | a lot |
| 18:51.14 | AntonTakk | yes and no |
| 18:51.27 | AntonTakk | it's easy to convert to another format |
| 18:51.36 | AntonTakk | inconvienient, but easy |
| 18:51.40 | Dave | true |
| 18:51.43 | Dave | it's just annoying |
| 18:51.51 | Dave | and gives us one more think to gripe about in terms of OM |
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| 18:51.53 | Dave | :) |
| 18:52.04 | AntonTakk | doesn't bother me at all |
| 18:52.13 | Dave | Lucky you :P |
| 18:52.17 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 18:52.43 | AntonTakk | all i care about is that what is supported is solid |
| 18:52.45 | AntonTakk | and documented |
| 18:53.41 | AntonTakk | even if it comes down to: ringtones can only be FLAC, and have to have xyz bitrate and 5 channels, i'm ok with that, so long as it works |
| 18:53.55 | gfather | AntonTakk why dont you help me m8 , if you got some time free |
| 18:54.42 | Dave | OH |
| 18:54.45 | Dave | speaking of ringtones... |
| 18:54.46 | AntonTakk | gfather: i would, but i have _never_ used xoo, and as far as emulating om distros, all I have ever done is use qemu with a 2007.2 image |
| 18:55.04 | Dave | goes to make an awesome new ringtone he's had in mind for a while now >:) |
| 18:55.07 | gfather | AntonTakk i didnt mean that |
| 18:55.20 | AntonTakk | gfather: then what? |
| 18:55.32 | gfather | i ment in adding support for arabic language in openmoko |
| 18:55.57 | AntonTakk | oh, you'd need a MUCH better coder than me for that |
| 18:56.08 | gfather | i dont think so :) |
| 18:56.24 | frankS2 | AntonTakk: does it support ogg? |
| 18:56.40 | gfather | im not a coder at all , but i thin we can pull it off couse you dont have to write the cod urself |
| 18:56.51 | AntonTakk | frankS2: yes, i believe it does |
| 18:57.28 | gfather | AntonTakk ill pm you with the info , and see if you can help me |
| 18:57.46 | Dave | bye xora |
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| 19:05.13 | frankS2 | anyone else having problems with inputing password in pidgin ? (illume keyboard) the keyboard just disepperars when i hit the password form |
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| 19:07.18 | johnsu01 | In illume/e17, is there a way to control the font size for things like the letters on the keyborad keys and the things on the shelf? (specifically the qwerty "button") |
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| 19:11.46 | Sharwin_F | sorry I must be blind but.. where can I change the clock time in SHR? i can't find it :S |
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| 19:15.25 | Arg0naut | so far the only way i've been able to set the time is through the terminal |
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| 19:18.00 | AntonTakk | Arg0naut: i usually install ntpd so it syncs any time it gets a net connection |
| 19:18.35 | AntonTakk | granted i haven't spent any time with shr, but i don't see any reason it shouldn't work just fine |
| 19:18.42 | Arg0naut | AntonTakk:that would be the smart thing to do |
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| 19:21.38 | uhsf | the wiki says the default ssh password is blank but it's denied |
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| 19:22.21 | uhsf | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
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| 19:23.28 | uhsf | i just tried as root and it worked |
| 19:24.26 | uhsf | the wiki said you do not need to be a root on the desktop host just to log in so it was confusing |
| 19:25.52 | Sharwin_F | AntonTakk, do you know where I can find the ntpd package? |
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| 19:28.29 | AntonTakk | Sharwin_F: opkg |
| 19:28.41 | Sharwin_F | AntonTakk, opkg install ntpd? |
| 19:28.45 | AntonTakk | you might have to add the angstrom repo first |
| 19:28.47 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 19:29.51 | Sharwin_F | AntonTakk, is it secure to upgrade with the angstrom repo there? |
| 19:30.02 | Arg0naut | uhsf: using "ssh root@192.168.0.202" you shouldn't have to be root |
| 19:33.10 | zash__ | no proper permissisons and users on openmoko |
| 19:33.11 | zash__ | :( |
| 19:33.22 | uhsf | Arg0naut: i know, what i tried previously was "ssh uhsf@192.168.0.202" |
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| 19:35.25 | opentrinity | hi i have aproblem with bluetooth...hcitool scan works but when i give connect there is this message : Can't get device infromation:success |
| 19:36.35 | zash__ | uhsf: echo 'Host 192.168.0.202\n\tUser root' >> ~/.ssh/config |
| 19:38.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r9eb56b221565 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): skeleton |
| 19:38.33 | uhsf | i can ping the freerunner, ping my pc from the freerunner but i can't ping the outside world from the freerunner |
| 19:39.34 | uhsf | the wiki says it's about masquerading but i don't understand the settings they use there: CONFIG_NETFILTER (Network packet filtering framework (Netfilter)) |
| 19:39.54 | zash__ | uhsf: sounds like you have no dns? |
| 19:40.20 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, be sure the subnet of usb0 is different from the LAn to the router. It happened to me :P |
| 19:40.56 | uhsf | how to be sure? |
| 19:40.58 | zash__ | uhsf: also check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:41.50 | uhsf | /etc/resolv.conf is: nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:42.35 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, use ifconfig to see if the subnet matches |
| 19:43.01 | Sharwin_F | for example, one should be 192.168.2.XXX, and the other 192.168.0.XXX |
| 19:43.41 | zedstar | oooh new palm os finally! |
| 19:44.31 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: woot? |
| 19:44.39 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: shouldn't both use the same subnet? |
| 19:44.51 | uhsf | eth0: inet addr:192.168.1.109 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 usb0: inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 19:45.10 | uhsf | they're different |
| 19:45.29 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, it's ok then |
| 19:45.38 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, can you ping google's IP address? |
| 19:45.45 | uhsf | no |
| 19:45.46 | Sharwin_F | or the router |
| 19:46.13 | zash__ | uhsf: host www.google.com |
| 19:46.15 | zash__ | what does it say |
| 19:47.05 | uhsf | ping bad address |
| 19:47.35 | uhsf | how to quickly know the ip of the router? |
| 19:47.41 | zash__ | route -n |
| 19:47.47 | zash__ | on your desktop |
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| 19:48.30 | uhsf | is it the gateway ip? |
| 19:48.36 | zash__ | uhsf: should be |
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| 19:49.28 | uhsf | i can't ping the router |
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| 19:50.24 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, have ou set the gateway on the freerunner to your PC? |
| 19:50.51 | uhsf | i'm not sure. how to be sure? |
| 19:51.07 | Sharwin_F | cat /etc/network/interfaces on the freerunner |
| 19:51.25 | zash__ | uhsf: forwarding then |
| 19:53.17 | Sharwin_F | I think you should have gateway 192.168.1.109 |
| 19:53.59 | zash__ | doesn't the usb-network use 192.168.0.200 for gateway? |
| 19:54.15 | zash__ | and .202 for the device |
| 19:54.22 | uhsf | it's 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:54.32 | uhsf | for gateway |
| 19:54.59 | zash__ | so you need iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $usb-device-name -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:55.04 | Sharwin_F | zash__, I think the gateway has to be the IP of your PC's usb0 IP |
| 19:55.20 | Sharwin_F | oh sorry yes |
| 19:55.22 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: yes |
| 19:55.32 | Sharwin_F | I was looking ath the eth0 IP :P |
| 19:55.42 | uhsf | zash__: i trust you with this exact command? |
| 19:56.07 | zash__ | uhsf: should work |
| 19:56.14 | zash__ | that and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:57.49 | uhsf | that's on my pc? |
| 19:57.54 | Sharwin_F | yes |
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| 20:00.32 | uhsf | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward gives "permission denied" |
| 20:00.47 | zash__ | uhsf: as root |
| 20:00.54 | uhsf | yes, even if i try to chown |
| 20:01.03 | zash__ | or echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:01.13 | zash__ | chown? |
| 20:01.26 | zash__ | does the procfs even support that? |
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| 20:02.46 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, edit the file with nano |
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| 20:02.50 | Sharwin_F | and change the 0 with a 1 |
| 20:02.53 | Sharwin_F | and save |
| 20:03.02 | Sharwin_F | sudo nano /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:03.28 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: isn't that slightly overkill |
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| 20:03.55 | Sharwin_F | zash__, I do i, it works xD |
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| 20:04.20 | uhsf | "sudo tee" seem to have worked |
| 20:04.30 | uhsf | but i still can't ping the router |
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| 20:16.57 | uhsf | i'll try to reboot |
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| 20:30.35 | Sharwin_F | AntonTakk, hey, I've installed ntpd. What now? I get an hour early than the time here... :S |
| 20:30.54 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: check your timezone |
| 20:31.13 | Sharwin_F | zash__, where is it? |
| 20:31.19 | zash__ | iduno |
| 20:32.13 | zash__ | there is a /etc/timezone |
| 20:32.15 | uhsf | i rebooted and followed carefully the 'more advanced way' on the wiki. now i can ping the router and the outside world from the freerunner, but i can't ping www.google.com. -sh: host: not found. |
| 20:32.41 | zash__ | uhsf: DNS |
| 20:33.53 | zash__ | scp {,192.168.0.202:}/etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:34.03 | zash__ | should work |
| 20:34.07 | zash__ | from your desktop |
| 20:34.15 | zash__ | if it is lack of dns |
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| 20:39.45 | Sharwin_F | zash__, thanks, I think it's ok now :) |
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| 20:44.08 | ladlio | can anyone point me to where i can get gpsd-conf for the gta02? |
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| 20:48.56 | Sharwin_F | is it easy to add launchers? |
| 20:50.00 | Dave | like om-short? |
| 20:50.03 | zash__ | Sharwin_F: should be a dir somewhere with lots of .desktop-files |
| 20:50.21 | zash__ | like /usr/share/applications |
| 20:50.22 | Sharwin_F | zash__, yeah, the thing is where hahah |
| 20:50.29 | Sharwin_F | ok, I'll try |
| 20:50.31 | Dave | ah |
| 20:50.32 | Dave | :P |
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| 20:51.19 | zash__ | locate .desktop | xargs -L 1 dirname | sort -u |
| 20:51.25 | uhsf | how to know the DNS nameserver IP address? |
| 20:51.35 | lindi- | uhsf: DHCP returnes it |
| 20:51.40 | lindi- | , s/e// |
| 20:51.41 | zash__ | uhsf: check your desktop |
| 20:51.54 | zash__ | uhsf: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:52.24 | uhsf | dhcp: command not found |
| 20:52.34 | lindi- | uhsf: hmm? |
| 20:53.32 | uhsf | so my nameserver ip is my router ip. |
| 20:53.40 | Arg0naut | anyone know where i can find librsvg-2-gtk? |
| 20:54.54 | zash__ | uhsf: it is? |
| 20:55.10 | zash__ | uhsf: whats up with routers with build dns |
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| 20:55.19 | leia_20 | hi! |
| 20:55.21 | zash__ | s/build/built in/ |
| 20:56.32 | uhsf | apt: i know, i use vim ;-) |
| 20:56.32 | apt | You know, i use vim ;-)? |
| 20:56.48 | uhsf | that was weird |
| 20:57.10 | zash__ | uhsf: ;) |
| 20:57.16 | uhsf | unless apt's a bot |
| 20:57.37 | Dave | Affirmative. |
| 20:57.37 | zash__ | apt: are you a bot? |
| 20:57.44 | Dave | apt: bot? |
| 20:57.45 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:57.53 | Dave | apt: botsnack |
| 20:57.53 | apt | thanks, Dave |
| 20:57.55 | Dave | :) |
| 20:58.00 | leia_20 | i want to try android, may I use the uimage and jffs2 in this url? 12http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Installation_on_internal_flash |
| 20:58.20 | zash__ | leia_20: what channel is this? |
| 20:58.32 | leia_20 | openmoko |
| 20:58.56 | Dave | heh |
| 20:58.58 | Dave | Hey lei |
| 20:59.00 | Dave | leia |
| 20:59.02 | uhsf | i didn't even know my dd-wrt wrt54gl had built-in dns, now i know. |
| 20:59.21 | leia_20 | ? |
| 20:59.23 | lindi- | leia_20: aiee, no colors please :) |
| 20:59.46 | leia_20 | ups, sotty |
| 20:59.46 | leia_20 | sorry |
| 20:59.46 | zash__ | uhsf: does it run linux? |
| 21:01.22 | uhsf | yes, the 'l' at the end of wrt54gl means linux |
| 21:01.48 | zash__ | coul |
| 21:02.33 | uhsf | i want to replace it with another that has gigabit ethernet but i haven't found one that runs dd-wrt yet |
| 21:05.43 | uhsf | now i can ping www.google.com. i needed to echo nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > /etc/resolv.conf. i wish all these settings i have done until then would be kept when rebooting |
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| 21:09.56 | badcloud | hey all |
| 21:11.06 | Dave | hei |
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| 21:11.18 | badcloud | hvordan gaar det, Dave? |
| 21:11.56 | zash__ | uhsf: it might with just the echo 1 > /some/where/ip4_forward and changing the freerunner to use dhcp |
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| 21:12.32 | Dave | good :) |
| 21:12.37 | badcloud | cool |
| 21:12.40 | Dave | it's cold |
| 21:12.50 | Dave | :P |
| 21:14.12 | badcloud | well, here it's not that cold. rainy, but ok |
| 21:14.29 | uhsf | i'll be looking for some better usb hotplugging. arch linux has a openmoko-usb-networking package. i'll try this. |
| 21:15.05 | badcloud | is there an import function on any of the calendars in any of the distros? |
| 21:15.18 | badcloud | like for .cvs or .ics files? |
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| 21:28.20 | LionKMP | Hi! how do I get "querty" terminal friendly keyboard in 2008.12? I have "illume-config" and "illume-config-illume" already installed if I try to install them. |
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| 21:28.53 | LionKMP | still no keyboard or "querty" button in the corner. |
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| 21:30.35 | LionKMP | Hm, this step I can't do. How? Where? "Then switch keyboard from "None" to "Default" in Illume's preferences. " |
| 21:30.47 | LionKMP | there is no little tool icon in the corner. |
| 21:32.36 | LionKMP | well, never mind, I'll use qtopia keyboard for this one word I wanted to type in. :) |
| 21:34.27 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, if you still want to keep it when rebooting and don't know why... edit /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 21:34.57 | uhsf | arch linux doesn't have /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:35.11 | Sharwin_F | uhsf, I thought you were speaking about the neo |
| 21:35.38 | uhsf | i'll try something with netcfg2, ty anyway |
| 21:37.06 | uhsf | now i try to have the FreeRunner GUI on my pc monitor with "ssh -l root -X -v 192.168.0.202". it doesn't give error message but i don't see the FreeRunner GUI either. |
| 21:39.34 | lindi- | uhsf: why would that show you anything? |
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| 21:41.06 | uhsf | i follow the usb networking wiki page and i thought that it could have been interesting |
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| 21:43.36 | uhsf | now i think i'm ready to format the SD card |
| 21:45.21 | uhsf | it's a pre-2008-07-23 freerunner that i have. so, if i use qi on the nand, instead of u-boot, can i format the SD card completely with ext3? |
| 21:46.10 | lindi- | uhsf: ssh just creates an ssh connection |
| 21:46.31 | lindi- | uhsf: you can format sd with ext3 even with uboot |
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| 21:47.40 | uhsf | lindi-: the wiki says that pre-2008-07-23 freerunner can't boot from ext with u-boot |
| 21:47.50 | lindi- | uhsf: you can update uboot |
| 21:48.14 | uhsf | the u-boot on the NOR? |
| 21:48.51 | lindi- | uhsf: on nand |
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| 21:49.03 | uhsf | i don't really understand that NOR/NAND boot sequence |
| 21:49.24 | uhsf | updating the nand seems less dangerous |
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| 21:49.50 | uhsf | i'll do this first. how to update u-boot? |
| 21:50.44 | uhsf | but do i really need to update u-boot if i want to use qi instead? that's what i asked first |
| 21:50.58 | lindi- | uhsf: you get the source, you compile it, you use dfu-util to write it to nand |
| 21:51.17 | lindi- | uhsf: uboot and qi are both boot loaders |
| 21:51.47 | lindi- | uhsf: freerunner boots from nand by default, nor is only backup option that is used if AUX is down |
| 21:52.24 | uhsf | so i'll just install qi, then install shr on the sd card |
| 21:53.35 | uhsf | but how will the freerunner know to boot with qi instead of u-boot? |
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| 21:58.11 | lindi- | uhsf: you have overwritten u-boot |
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| 22:52.59 | jc | hello, could anybody give me any xorg.conf for freerunner please ? |
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| 22:56.18 | leia_20 | hi again! |
| 22:56.35 | Dave | Hey leia :) |
| 22:56.45 | Dave | What's up, this time? :) |
| 22:56.56 | leia_20 | here |
| 22:56.59 | leia_20 | flashing :) |
| 22:57.02 | Dave | :D |
| 22:57.05 | leia_20 | what package i need to install in FDOM to have a full terminal keyboard? like SHR |
| 22:57.13 | Dave | ah |
| 22:57.50 | Dave | Leia, depends if you're using the illume keyboard or matchbox keyboard |
| 22:57.58 | Dave | I'm honestly not sure what FDOM uses by default |
| 22:58.05 | leia_20 | ummm |
| 22:58.18 | leia_20 | it's a very ugly keyboard |
| 22:58.25 | Dave | haha |
| 22:58.28 | leia_20 | don't have ctrl or alt keys |
| 22:58.50 | Dave | hmm |
| 23:00.18 | leia_20 | i have install illume-keyboards-terminal but don't appears |
| 23:00.43 | Dave | did you restart (or restart X) after doing that? |
| 23:00.54 | leia_20 | eh ... not |
| 23:01.10 | Dave | try /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 23:01.13 | leia_20 | ok |
| 23:03.14 | leia_20 | not |
| 23:03.20 | leia_20 | :-/ |
| 23:03.28 | leia_20 | the same ugly keyboard |
| 23:04.42 | Weiss | jc: there's a basic one in http://n2.nabble.com/Xorg-glamo-update-td1659003.html |
| 23:05.23 | jc | Weiss: thanks a lot :) |
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| 23:06.19 | balleyne | I'm having trouble opening the microsd holder on my Neo FreeRunner -- can't tell where the tabs are... can anyone help? |
| 23:06.41 | jc | shame.. doesnt work with xorg-x11 |
| 23:07.03 | jc | balleyne: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 23:07.14 | jc | balleyne: there are some pictures that might help you |
| 23:08.40 | balleyne | jc: thanks. I was looking there, but I just scrolled down and saw the more detailed picture. figured it out! |
| 23:09.18 | jc | great, np |
| 23:16.18 | Weiss | jc: you'll need to remove the reference to the glamo driver :) |
| 23:16.35 | jc | wow ! |
| 23:17.10 | jc | the dude is working on glamo 3d acceleration |
| 23:17.10 | jc | thats sooo cool |
| 23:17.11 | Weiss | use fbdev instead |
| 23:17.11 | jc | Weiss: yeah but it complaints it can't find core input devices |
| 23:17.14 | jc | no keyboard/mouse etc |
| 23:17.25 | Weiss | soonish the accelerated glamo driver for Xorg will be ready |
| 23:17.28 | Weiss | ah, hmm |
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| 23:17.31 | jc | I couldn't compile version that uses tslib |
| 23:17.38 | jc | my version has no input devices |
| 23:17.44 | jc | thought I could start it without them |
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| 23:17.57 | jc | thats totally great |
| 23:18.18 | Weiss | i don't know how far it should work with (a) no config file or (b) that config file - the file's just a testing one for the accelerated driver |
| 23:19.16 | jc | its a shame the docs are under NDA |
| 23:19.30 | jc | I'd love to know what the thing is capable off |
| 23:19.39 | jc | *of |
| 23:20.01 | jc | Weiss: I also tried xorgconfig and masking all input devices |
| 23:20.08 | jc | it seems to choke when it has no input devices |
| 23:20.15 | jc | yep I set it up with fbdev |
| 23:20.35 | jc | no matter, I'll compile Xglamo instead... for now... |
| 23:20.43 | Weiss | the glamo? what would you like to know? (i have access to the docs) |
| 23:21.24 | jc | Weiss: just overall stuff.. how much video memory it has, what commands and stuff, I'd just love to skim throught it.. I guess theres no point doing this, I don't wanna get you into any troubles |
| 23:21.34 | Dave | takes out his jumper cables |
| 23:22.19 | Weiss | 8Mb memory (must include the framebuffer and MMC buffer, though) |
| 23:22.33 | jc | like the whole 640x480 screen ? |
| 23:22.35 | jc | pretty bad... |
| 23:23.01 | Dave | what, where? |
| 23:23.06 | Dave | ooh, that reminds me |
| 23:23.07 | jc | glamo |
| 23:23.08 | Weiss | it's not a huge amount, no, but it's not as if you're going to be playing Doom 3 on it :) |
| 23:23.26 | jc | Weiss: I was thinking some homebrew opengl games ;) |
| 23:23.38 | Weiss | me too :) |
| 23:23.59 | jc | I'd love to get working on one, I definitely have to learn high level opengl stuff |
| 23:24.30 | jc | but compositing wouldnt be very practical on it right |
| 23:24.43 | jc | 8Mb for framebuffer + all windows + sd buffer |
| 23:24.59 | jc | so no cube inside your phone.. |
| 23:25.24 | Weiss | one of the main limitations is a maximum surface size of 512x512 |
| 23:25.42 | balleyne | another potentially silly question -- my freerunner is booting and charging, but it won't stop vibrating (it's pulsing)... is that supposed to happen? |
| 23:25.42 | jc | for everything ? |
| 23:25.43 | Dave | yeah, sucky |
| 23:26.02 | balleyne | it hasn't registered with the network yet (I think, a problem with my SIM card) |
| 23:26.03 | jc | damn... |
| 23:26.05 | Weiss | so.. you can choose to drop to (say) QVGA mode, or you can have the 3D stuff not fill the sscreen |
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| 23:26.28 | jc | yeah but you can't definitely composite full screen windows :/ |
| 23:26.46 | jc | but QVGA doesn't look so bad at least for videos |
| 23:26.59 | jc | how fast is the mode switching ? |
| 23:27.03 | Weiss | maybe its 2D engine can do some kind of compositing - i haven't looked too thoroughly at those |
| 23:27.17 | jc | would it be possible to have like in game movie sequences in qvga and game in vga without larger delays ? |
| 23:27.53 | Weiss | oo, possibly |
| 23:28.27 | jc | nice :) |
| 23:28.58 | jc | I'd love to see some techdemo.. at least accelerated glxgears or something :) |
| 23:29.14 | Weiss | me too |
| 23:29.19 | Weiss | but it's seriously daunting work |
| 23:29.31 | jc | thats pretty understandable |
| 23:29.59 | Weiss | some of my messing around with the 3D engine is at http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 23:30.53 | Weiss | but nothing very exciting yet |
| 23:31.16 | Dave | Wiess, neat :) |
| 23:31.20 | jc | its really great suprise seeing work done on that :) |
| 23:31.36 | jc | I thought everybody forsaken 3d functionality of glamo |
| 23:32.01 | balleyne | my freerunner won't stop vibrating as it's charging -- is that supposed to happen? |
| 23:32.27 | jc | balleyne: echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness |
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| 23:32.57 | Weiss | jc: not quite everyone. i wouldn't get yourself too excited though. it could take longer than the life of the device to get it working... |
| 23:33.42 | jc | Weiss: but I think its the first SOC around with embedded proprietary 3D core and work being done on it.. at least what I've seen |
| 23:33.55 | jc | pandora has one too and I haven't seen a single tech demo yet |
| 23:38.34 | balleyne | jc: thanks, but one more stupid question -- how do I enter characters like / and >? |
| 23:38.48 | jc | balleyne: what distribution ? |
| 23:39.11 | balleyne | jc: how can I tell? |
| 23:39.40 | jc | balleyne: you should definitely go through this, it was a great help for me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 23:40.56 | balleyne | jc: ok, thanks |
| 23:41.15 | jc | np |
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| 23:44.43 | jc | Weiss: btw. how can you get access to the docs ? |
| 23:44.57 | jc | Weiss: I'd love to help but I'm afraid I'm not up to it.. |
| 23:45.05 | jc | I dont know squat about how the kernel works.. |
| 23:45.12 | jc | but I can program in C and a little ARM assembly |
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| 23:46.08 | badcloud | how to back up the freerunner via usb connection? |
| 23:47.20 | Weiss | jc: see the devel list. you have to sign an NDA, but it's not too scary (drafted by Harald Welte in fact). the docs aren't fantastic though.. :( |
| 23:48.24 | jc | Weiss: why not ? |
| 23:48.42 | jc | is it anything like.. say.. atmel datasheets ? |
| 23:49.01 | jc | I work with those a lot.. with avrs and theyr arm91sam7s series |
| 23:49.25 | jc | the samsung one for fr is good too |
| 23:49.36 | frankS2 | how big a memory card can i put in the openmoko? |
| 23:50.01 | jc | frankS2: as big as you want.. I'm sure the community will appreciate the donation :D |
| 23:50.12 | Weiss | jc: basically, it tells you the name of each register and a very terse (often broken english) description of its purpose, and it lacks much description of the actual sequence of events to, say, draw a triangle |
| 23:50.37 | jc | Weiss: sounds painful |
| 23:50.54 | frankS2 | jc: i mean micro sd card.. |
| 23:51.04 | jc | that might explain why they don't want to release it |
| 23:51.37 | jc | frankS2: which phone do you mean? freerunner or neo1973? those are phones, openmoko is the name of the community/distros/whatever |
| 23:51.46 | Weiss | jc: that's a cynical interpretation, but i think i'd agree with it... :) |
| 23:52.09 | frankS2 | jc: i got the openmoko |
| 23:52.20 | jc | Weiss: well and would you need someone to, say, try these commands out and experiment on them and document it in a dev friendly format ? |
| 23:52.42 | jc | Weiss: like writing short demo programs, out of linux |
| 23:52.45 | jc | directly executable |
| 23:54.00 | jc | I'd just take a little of u-boot to init everything and then write a program to for example display a triangle.. |
| 23:54.10 | jc | and document accessed registers in the process |
| 23:54.19 | jc | I don't have debug board though... |
| 23:54.28 | Weiss | neither do i (yet) |
| 23:54.39 | Weiss | i don't think anyone's going to complain about extra keen people :) |
| 23:54.51 | jc | if the screws weren't proprietary I have a little homebrew jtag thingy though |
| 23:54.54 | frankS2 | jc: can i put a 8gb memory card in the openmoko freerunner and it will support it? |
| 23:55.05 | jc | frankS2: thats a much better question :) |
| 23:55.25 | jc | frankS2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 23:56.52 | Weiss | jc: if you're interested in playing, take a look at my "glamo3d-fun" branch. it's a branch of the 2.6.24 kernel with some 3D engine access stuff built in. there's a sysfs node, writing to which will trigger a sequence of MMIO instructions |
| 23:56.52 | jc | Weiss: great, once I set up my environment and set up a site, I'll make sure to contact people on the list :) |
| 23:57.36 | jc | Weiss: isn't it opengl es compatible ? |
| 23:57.54 | Weiss | jc: the hardware? yep. in fact, it seems to have a lot more than that |
| 23:57.57 | jc | Weiss: that would mean you have like.. 'draw polygon' 'draw line' and such commands, right ? |
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| 23:58.38 | jc | Weiss is the branch part of official git ? |
| 23:58.52 | Weiss | jc: in very simple terms, yes. the reality of what gets sent to the card is a little different |
| 23:59.10 | Weiss | it's part of my own git repository (which is brand new, so be gentle to it :) |
| 23:59.29 | jc | Weiss yeah, I don't see the branch in the tree I have cloned here.. |
| 23:59.38 | jc | I would have certainly noticed :) |
| 23:59.52 | jc | oh by official I mean openmoko |
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